date:20170206



I'm the guy who was gobsmacked by the amount of data we (my son and I) are 
sucking down from our ISP (Earthlink via DSL).

I've found something else that I don't understand.  I'm going to keep this 
general at first--if anybody needs specifics, I'll try to provide them.

I've now collected data for something over a week from the Westell DSL modem 
that also serves as a router for the connection between my LAN and Earthlink.

I've been watching the Ethernet side data, and the WAN VC side.

IIUC, data that I download from Earthlink is labeled "Data Out" on the WAN VC 
side, and is labeled "Data In" on my LAN / Ethernet side.

I would expect these to be fairly close to equal, especially because there is 
almost no traffic between devices on the LAN--believe it or not, on the rare 
occasions that I need to exchange data with another LAN device, I use either 
sneakernet (well, really, pendrive net) or gmail net (I send an email to 
myself (@gmail.com) and open it on the other computer--which means that the 
data goes up and out to Earthlink and eventually back in to the other 
computer.  (I use a little trick to make that work, but it works, and, at 
most, I may send such an email once or twice a month.)

The "anomaly" that I see is that there are twice as many bytes (octets) coming 
in (Data Out) on the WAN VC side as are going out to my LAN (Data In) on the 
Ethernet / LAN side.

Now, the number of packets are about the same, and the difference mainly is 
that the packet size on the VC WAN "Data Out" are about twice the size of the 
packets on the Ethernet / LAN side.

Aside: On data in the other direction (that is, to Earthlink), the number of 
bytes (octets), packets, and size of the packets are all about the same for 
the VC WAN and the Ethernet LAN.

My questions are:

   * Why are there twice as many bytes measured coming in (from Earthlink) 
measured on the WAN VC side of the router as measured on the Ethernet / LAN 
side of the router (or, I guess the analagous question is why are the packets 
twice as big?  (I mean, is the information encoded differently there or 
something?)
   
   * And, can I do something to change that?

Re: Magickally Resolved?: Set resolution options without xrandr

2017-02-06 Thread Steven Mainor

I think he just meant 'In case you didn't want to read my previous
paragraph, a reboot fixed it.'



On Sun, 2017-02-05 at 10:26 -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, February 05, 2017 09:55:14 AM Tony Baldwin wrote:
> > TL;DR: A reboot fixed me...I almost feel I've been jettisoned into
> > Windows-Land?!
> 
> Just for me, what was so long that you didn't read?
>

Re: Why packets (from my ISP to me) on the WAN VC side of my router are twice the size of packets on the Ethernet (and a corresponding twice as many bytes)

On Tuesday 07 February 2017 00:13:42 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 06, 2017 06:24:40 PM Dan Purgert wrote:
> > It's a bit hard to figure out what you're actually seeing happen though,
> > since your post somehow repeated itself several times, in a pretty big
> > mess (there wasn't a given start / end of one post, but rather several
> > copies interleaved).
>
> Oops, sorry about that.
>
> I'll send a new email and make sure that is corrected.
>
> Explanation (for anyone that cares ;-) My mouse is giving up the ghost,
> often issuing two clicks when I click it instead of just one--I wrote the
> email in another editor and then copied / pasted it to an email using my
> mouse--it apparently clicked twice and inserted the text twice.

The copy that reached me was worse than that.  Just twice would have been a 
doddle!!  Several, interleaved.  Perhaps descend from the heady heights of 
FLOSS and use ctrl-C, ctrl-V for now?

Lisi

Re: Why packets (from my ISP to me) on the WAN VC side of my router are twice the size of packets on the Ethernet (and a corresponding twice as many bytes)

On Monday, February 06, 2017 06:24:40 PM Dan Purgert wrote:
> Could be MTU differences, and the router needing to do something (e.g.
> 1500 on the LAN side, and 1452 on the WAN, which is usually typical for
> DSL / PPPoE connections).

BTW, thanks Dan for your response--I hope the resent email is at least a 
little easier to understand.

Maybe the following should be ignored, at least for now, because it seems it 
would just add confusion to the situation:  I do have a spreadsheet of the 
data I'm collecting (with some other data thrown in--I could trim that out and 
send that to anybody that thought it would be helpful).

So, I guess the possibility that this suggests to me seems backwards--that is, 
the opposite of what I am seeing.  I mean, if somewhere a 1500 byte packet has 
to be packed into a 1452 byte packet, I suppose something might double the 
size of the 1452 byte packet and just waste the leftover bytes in the two 
packets (i.e., 1452 * 2 -1500 = 1404), but the packets are coming in on the 
WAN side presumably at 1452 bytes and I would think they would fit fine in the 
1500 byte packet on the LAN side.

(And I'm oversimplifying or misleading a little, because I'm not seeing twice 
as many packets but instead packets that are twice as big (on the WAN side).)

Re: Why packets (from my ISP to me) on the WAN VC side of my router are twice the size of packets on the Ethernet (and a corresponding twice as many bytes)

On Monday, February 06, 2017 06:24:40 PM Dan Purgert wrote:
> It's a bit hard to figure out what you're actually seeing happen though,
> since your post somehow repeated itself several times, in a pretty big
> mess (there wasn't a given start / end of one post, but rather several
> copies interleaved).

Oops, sorry about that.  

I'll send a new email and make sure that is corrected.

Explanation (for anyone that cares ;-) My mouse is giving up the ghost, often 
issuing two clicks when I click it instead of just one--I wrote the email in 
another editor and then copied / pasted it to an email using my mouse--it 
apparently clicked twice and inserted the text twice.

Re: Why gets unattended-upgrades installed after Debian jessie -> Debian stretch upgrade?

On Monday 06 February 2017 18:24:38 Mart van de Wege wrote:
> Lisi Reisz  writes:
> > On Monday 06 February 2017 13:54:11 Brian wrote:
> >> On Mon 06 Feb 2017 at 13:19:00 +, Patrick Schleizer wrote:
> >> > The unattended-upgrades was not installed on my Debian jessie system.
> >> > After upgrading to Debian stretch, the package unattended-upgrades got
> >> > installed. 'reverse-depends unattended-upgrades' [1] did not make me
> >> > any wiser. There must be a gap of my apt knowledge. Can anyone shed
> >> > light on this please?
> >>
> >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/11/msg00117.html
> >
> > Can it cope with a back-log?  Has anyone tried?
>
> We use it in production at work. Yes, it can, *provided* you don't have
> any config file changes. That, it can't handle.

That is very reassuring.  Do you feel like sharing your config file?

> And forgive me a bit of a rant: it's a stereotypical Ubuntu hack job:
> inefficient, chokes on fairly standard deviations from the norm and
> badly documented.

This is what I was rather afraid of.  And I have not found 
  reassuring, but I note that it 
is nearly a year out of date.  I am hoping that now it is a default in new 
installations, the config file is basically usable as a default as it stands.

> I agree with the developers' sentiment that automatic upgrades are a
> good thing, but I really think Debian could have cooked up a better
> script than !@#$% 'unattended-upgrades'.

I agree with the sentiment expressed later that I ought to write my  own if I 
don't like what is offered, but I am after a reasonably safe way of getting 
some fairly urgent security upgrades, and future urgent security upgrades, 
done pending my coming to grips with ssh-ing in.  

As a speaker at my local LUG helpfully said the other day, it is the router 
that is the problem.  Yes, I know that it is the router that is the problem.  
The trouble is, it *is* the problem!!

Lisi

Re: Why packets (from my ISP to me) on the WAN VC side of my router are twice the size of packets on the Ethernet (and a corresponding twice as many bytes)

2017-02-06 Thread Dan Purgert

rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>* Why are there twice as many bytes measured coming in (from
>Earthlink) measured on the WAN VC side of the router as measured on
>the Ethernet / LAN side of the router (or, I guess the analagous
>question is why are the packets twice as big?  (I mean, is the
>information encoded differently there or  something?)
>
>* And, can I do something to change that?

Could be MTU differences, and the router needing to do something (e.g.
1500 on the LAN side, and 1452 on the WAN, which is usually typical for
DSL / PPPoE connections).

It's a bit hard to figure out what you're actually seeing happen though,
since your post somehow repeated itself several times, in a pretty big
mess (there wasn't a given start / end of one post, but rather several
copies interleaved).

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Re: Why gets unattended-upgrades installed after Debian jessie -> Debian stretch upgrade?

2017-02-06 Thread Mark Fletcher

On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 07:24:38PM +0100, Mart van de Wege wrote:
> 
> I agree with the developers' sentiment that automatic upgrades are a
> good thing, but I really think Debian could have cooked up a better
> script than !@#$% 'unattended-upgrades'.
> 

Standard open source software response applies, I think -- if you feel 
that way, why not have a go at writing one?

Mark

Re: How to fix I/O errors?

2017-02-06 Thread David Christensen


On 02/06/17 13:15, Marc Shapiro wrote:

I am pasting the result of smartctl -x /dev/sda below as I have no real
clue what to do with the information, but I have a few questions first.

1) I have purchased a new, very similar, Seagate 1TB drive and I plan to
install it and copy the whole system to the new drive.


It sounds like you don't have a backup of the failing 1 TB drive (?).


Do you have a file server with ~1 TB of free space?  RAID?


Run memtest86+ for 24+ hours to verify that you don't have a memory problem.


Use SeaTools to wipe the new 1 TB drive and run the short and long 
tests.  Stop if anything fails.




What is the best
way to do this copy since I don't wangt to copy bad sectors?


I've done it with 'dd' in the past, but will use 'ddrescue' in the future.



2) Once I have verified that the new drive boots


I'd do a fresh install on a 16+ GB SSD (USB flash drives also work).  A 
recovered system disk image is too uncertain.




and everything is running properly


As I understand it, the drive microcontroller calculates and stores a 
checksum with every sector (block).  That's one way it knows that a 
block is bad upon reading.  So, when you copy out whatever blocks you 
can get, you probably won't have errors in those blocks.



But, files and directories are stored on one or more sectors.  Depending 
upon your file system, fsck may or may not find the missing blocks.



When you're done, the destination disk is likely to be missing files 
and/or directories.




I am hoping to reformat the old drive.  This should
reallocate the bad sectors IIRC.  I then would like to set up a raid
with both drives (keeping a close eye on the old drive).The
feasibility of this, I would guess, depends on what the posted smartctl
information tells someone who knows what to look for.

3) As I understand it, the above mentioned raid should be safe since,
even if the old drive deteriorates further, the system can run on just
the new drive.  Is that correct?


Once you've copied out whatever blocks you can get, use SeaTools to wipe 
the old 1 TB drive and run short and long tests.  If all three pass, I 
might be tempted to re-use the drive.



If it fails to wipe and has plaintext, destroy it with a sledge hammer. 
(Wear safety glasses!)



If it wipes but fails the short or long tests, recycle it.



Here is the smafrtctl output:

...

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED


Interesting, given that the drive failed SeaTools (short test?).



General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x82)Offline data collection activity
was completed without error.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:  ( 121)The previous self-test
completed having
the read element of the test failed.


Matches SeaTools result.



Total time to complete Offline
data collection: (  600) seconds.

...

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAGSVALUE WORST THRESH FAIL RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate POSR--   117   095   006- 165391146
  3 Spin_Up_TimePO   095   093   000-0
  4 Start_Stop_Count-O--CK   100   100   020-406
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   PO--CK   072   072   036-1181
  7 Seek_Error_Rate POSR--   087   060   030- 656506200
  9 Power_On_Hours  -O--CK   048   048   000-46195
 10 Spin_Retry_CountPO--C-   100   100   097-0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count   -O--CK   100   100   020-203
183 Runtime_Bad_Block   -O--CK   092   092   000-8
184 End-to-End_Error-O--CK   100   100   099-0
187 Reported_Uncorrect  -O--CK   011   011   000-89
188 Command_Timeout -O--CK   100   097   000- 51540394008
189 High_Fly_Writes -O-RCK   100   100   000-0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel -O---K   070   049   045-30 (Min/Max
27/32)
194 Temperature_Celsius -O---K   030   051   000-30 (0 20 0
0 0)
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  -O-RC-   034   003   000- 165391146
197 Current_Pending_Sector  -O--C-   093   083   000-310
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   C-   093   083   000-310
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count-OSRCK   200   200   000-26
240 Head_Flying_Hours   --   100   253   000-46718 (49
76 0)
241 Total_LBAs_Written  --   100   253   000- 1725386978
242 Total_LBAs_Read --   100   253   000- 265479204
||_ K auto-keep
|__ C event count
___ R error rate
||| S speed/performance
||_ O updated online
|__ P prefailure warning


I have yet to find a good

Re: Redémarrage après mise en veille

2017-02-06 Thread Jean Bernon

Lorsque le redémarrage échoue, j'ai un écran noir et je ne peux rien faire 
d'autre qu'un altgr+sys+b. Avec le problème actuel, le altgr+sys+b ne 
fonctionnait même pas et je devais forcer la mise hors tension du PC. La 
précédente phrase est à l'imparfait, car depuis mon problème s'est réglé sans 
que je sache exactement pourquoi. 
Plus précisément, suite à un échec ponctuel du redémarrage, j'étais allé voir 
dans le Bios la section "carte graphique" et j'avais vu une option pour la 
mémoire pré-allouée (options de 64Mo à 512Mo). En fait je n'ai finalement rien 
changé et suis sorti sans sauvegarder. Mon problème de blocage systématique du 
redémarrage et du blocage du boot sur "Chargement de la mémoire initiale..." 
est apparu suite à cette manœuvre qui n'a en principe rien changé. Au vu de 
certaines erreurs dans dmesg, j'ai fini par désinstaller bumblebee et bbswitch, 
ce qui a fait disparaître des messages d'erreur de dmesg concernant la carte 
graphique, mais n'a rien changé à mon problème principal. J'ai fini, lors d'un 
redémarrage, par retourner dans le bios pour être vraiment sûr de n'y rien 
avoir changé (je n'avais en effet rien changé) et je suis à nouveau sorti sans 
sauvegarder. Et là... miracle ??? mon problème de redémarrage est réglé. 

- Mail original -

> De: "JF Straeten" 
> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> Envoyé: Lundi 6 Février 2017 18:37:46
> Objet: Re: Redémarrage après mise en veille

> Re,

> On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 06:20:50PM +0100, Jean Bernon wrote:

> > J'utilise un ASUS K551LN X0401H avec Debian Jessie et le pilote
> > Nouveau. Depuis 2 ans j'utilise la plupart du temps la mise en
> > veille pour arrêter mon portable. Le redémarrage après mise en
> > veille fonctionnait en général (avec un blocage une fois sur 20
> > environ). Depuis 2 jours, sans que je comprenne ce qui a changé, le
> > redémarrage échoue systématiquement. Un autre problème est apparu
> > en
> > même temps : le boot reste bloqué sur "chargement de la mémoire
> > initiale..." et je dois appuyer deux fois  pour débloquer.
> > Quelqu'un a-t-il déjà rencontré ce problème ou a-t-il une idée ?

> Après la veille, toute la machine redémarre ou elle revient au
> display
> manager ? J'ai ça ici (2eme cas) depuis un jour ou deux sur une SP3
> que j'essaye de passer sous Debian (Stretch)... La session graphique
> se crashe au réveil et c'est retour au DM.

> Je ne sais pas encore ce que c'est, toutefois :-[

> --

> JFS.

Why packets (from my ISP to me) on the WAN VC side of my router are twice the size of packets on the Ethernet (and a corresponding twice as many bytes)

I'm the guy who was gobsmacked by the amount of data we (my son and I) are 
sucking down from our ISP (Earthlink via DSL).

I've found something else that I don't understand.  I'm going to keep this 
general at first--if anybody needs specifics, I'll try to provide them.

I've now collected data for something over a week from the Westell DSL modem 
that also serves as a router for the connection between my LAN and Earthlink.

I'veI'm the guy who was gobsmacked by the amount of data we (my son and I) are 
sucking down from our ISP (Earthlink via DSL).

I've found something else that I don't understand.  I'm going to keep this 
general at first--if anybody needs specifics, I'll try to provide them.

I've now collected data for something over a week from the Westell DSL modem 
that also serves as a router for the connection between my LAN and Earthlink.

I've been watching the Ethernet side data, and the WAN VC side.

IIUC, data that I download from Earthlink is labeled "Data Out" on the WAN VC 
side, and is labeled "Data In" on my LAN / Ethernet side.

I would expect these to be fairly close to equal, especially because there is 
almost no traffic between devices on the LAN--believe it or not, on the rare 
occasions that I need to exchange data with another LAN device, I use either 
sneakernet (well, really, pendrive net) or gmail net (I send an email to 
myself (@gmail.com) and open it on the other computer--which means that the 
data goes up and out to Earthlink and eventually back in to the other 
computer.  (I use a little trick to make that work, but it works, and, at 
most, I may send such an email once or twice a month.)

The "anomaly" that I see is that there are twice as many bytes (octets) coming 
in (Data Out) on the WAN VC side as are going out to my LAN (Data In) on the 
Ethernet / LAN side.

Now, the number of packets are about the same, and the difference mainly is 
that the packet size on the VC WAN "Data Out" are about twice the size of the 
packets on the Ethernet / LAN side.

Aside: On data in the other direction (that is, to Earthlink), the number of 
bytes (octets), packets, and size of the packets are all about the same for 
the VC WAN and the Ethernet LAN.

My questions are:

   * Why are there twice as many bytes measured coming in (from Earthlink) 
measured on the WAN VC side of the router as measured on the Ethernet / LAN 
side of the router (or, I guess the analagous question is why are the packets 
twice as big?  (I mean, is the information encoded differently there or 
something?)
   
   * And, can I do something to change that? been watching the Ethernet side 
data, and the WAN VC side.

IIUC, data that I download from Earthlink is labeled "Data Out" on the WAN VC 
side, and is labeled "Data In" on my LAN / Ethernet side.

I would expect these to be fairly close to equal, especially because there is 
almost no traffic between devices on the LAN--believe it or not, on the rare 
occasions that I need to exchange data with another LAN device, I use either 
sneakernet (well, really, pendrive net) or gmail net (I send an email to 
myself (@gmail.com) and open it on the other computer--which means that the 
data goes up and out to Earthlink and eventually back in to the other 
computer.  (I use a little trick to make that work, but it works, and, at 
most, I may send such an email once or twice a month.)

The "anomaly" that I see is that there are twice as many bytes (octets) coming 
in (Data Out) on the WAN VC side as are going out to my LAN (Data In) on the 
Ethernet / LAN side.

Now, the number of packets are about the same, and the difference mainly is 
that the packet size on the VC WAN "Data Out" are about twice the size of the 
packets on the Ethernet / LAN side.

Aside: On data in the other direction (that is, to Earthlink), the number of 
bytes (octets), packets, and size of the packets are all about the same for 
the VC WAN and the Ethernet LAN.

My questions are:

   * Why are there twice as many bytes measured coming in (from Earthlink) 
measured on the WAN VC side of the router as measured on the Ethernet / LAN 
side of the router (or, I guess the analagous question is why are the packets 
twice as big?  (I mean, is the information encoded differently there or 
something?)
   
   * And, can I do something to change that?

Re: How to fix I/O errors?

2017-02-06 Thread Felix Miata


Gene Heskett composed on 2017-02-06 12:28 (UTC-0500):


That cold spare will eventually develop stiction, seizing the parked haed
to the surface of the disk solidly enough that the disk motor cannot
break it loose to spin the disk up.  Such is best treated by hooking up
the cables, but holding the drive in your hand so that you can turn on
the power, and within a couple seconds, give the drive a good sideways
blow on a corner with the ball of the wrist so the drive housing/casting
is caused to rotate a few degrees around the axis of the disk, breaking
the stiction so the spindle motor can spin it up. The theory is that the
drive frame rotates when you drive it by hitting the corner, but the
disk doesn't, breaking the stiction seal.


The other theory is the motor got too weak to start the platters in motion. It 
wouldn't surprise me that these things have separate electronics for startup and 
for maintain, and that something in startup simply expires to cause spinup failure.


The first HD I ever bought, a 3.5" "full-height" SCSI-I 80MB Seagate in 1990, 
acquired the won't spin up problem a month after its 12 month warranty expired. 
I avoided the problem a long time via a UPS, but eventually an extended power 
outage claimed it permanently.

--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: How to fix I/O errors?

2017-02-06 Thread David Christensen


On 02/06/17 09:28, Gene Heskett wrote:

That cold spare will eventually develop stiction, seizing the parked haed
to the surface of the disk solidly enough that the disk motor cannot
break it loose to spin the disk up.  Such is best treated by hooking up
the cables, but holding the drive in your hand so that you can turn on
the power, and within a couple seconds, give the drive a good sideways
blow on a corner with the ball of the wrist so the drive housing/casting
is caused to rotate a few degrees around the axis of the disk, breaking
the stiction so the spindle motor can spin it up. The theory is that the
drive frame rotates when you drive it by hitting the corner, but the
disk doesn't, breaking the stiction seal.


Yowza!  I haven't experienced (realized?) a head-stuck-to-platter 
problem, but I'll keep your technique in mind if all else fails.



David

Re: How to fix I/O errors?

2017-02-06 Thread David Christensen


On 02/06/17 07:22, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

David Christensen  writes:

I've found (and heard) that the worst thing I can do to a HDD is put
it on the shelf and let it rot.  I've had more than a few that failed
shortly after being put into a computer.


I hadn't heard this...  I've got a drive I've been keeping as a cold
spare.  Am I better off (in the sense of "is it more likely to actually
be useable when I need it") installing it and adding it to one of my
RAID1 arrays?  Can you point me to an article about it?


I don't know of a particular article.  I just have personal experience 
and advice from other people (including a relative who worked for a HDD 
manufacturer).



David

Re: How to fix I/O errors?

2017-02-06 Thread Marc Shapiro

On 02/03/2017 11:13 PM, David Christensen wrote:

On 02/03/17 13:47, Marc Shapiro wrote:

On 02/02/2017 10:23 PM, David Christensen wrote:

Have you downloaded and run the manufacturer diagnostic utilities for
all your drives? What do they say?

I have now downloaded and run Seagate's tools and it does show a does
show a disk error. Since it stops on the first error I do not know if
this is an isolated error, or a more systematic problem.

Automatic Write Reallocation Enable (AWRE) is on by default, but
Automatic Read Reallocation Enable (ARRE) is off. If I set ARRE on and
then run the long test (which reads all sectors sequentially), will that
reallocate any bad sectors and mark them as such? Is this a safe thing
to do?

Beware that failures have a way of escalating faster than you expect.

Do you have a good backup of the drive?

If not and the data has high value, do not power up the drive. Pack it
properly and send it to a professional recovery service.

>> http://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/seatools/
> I see download links for DOS and Windows, nothiong for Linux

It is common for Wintel-centric tools to only run on Windows. It's
good to keep an operational Windows system drive around. Mobile docks
make swapping drives easy.

Sometimes you get lucky and the tool is a live CD:

www.seagate.com/files/www-content/support-content/downloads/seatools/_shared/downloads/SeaToolsDOS223ALL.ISO

> If I remember correctly, [SMART] is
> only going to be useful if it was already installed so the daemon
> could be capturing data when the problem occurred. Is that correct,
> or am I thinking of a different package?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.

SMART is built-in to the firmware of the HDD/SSD; the drive
microcontroller does most of the work. Using the right tools, you can
pull SMART information out of the microcontroller and/or adjust
tunable SMART parameters. As the drive is failing, you especially
want those reports. If you post them here, people can tell you all
kinds of interesting things about your drive.

> I have now downloaded and run Seagate's tools and it does show a does
> show a disk error. Since it stops on the first error I do not know if
> this is an isolated error, or a more systematic problem.

Take a picture of the screen with a digital camera (or phone), and
then type the exact screen contents into a reply.

David

I am pasting the result of smartctl -x /dev/sda below as I have no real
clue what to do with the information, but I have a few questions first.

1) I have purchased a new, very similar, Seagate 1TB drive and I plan to
install it and copy the whole system to the new drive. What is the best
way to do this copy since I don't wangt to copy bad sectors?

2) Once I have verified that the new drive boots and everything is
running properly I am hoping to reformat the old drive. This should
reallocate the bad sectors IIRC. I then would like to set up a raid
with both drives (keeping a close eye on the old drive). The
feasibility of this, I would guess, depends on what the posted smartctl
information tells someone who knows what to look for.

3) As I understand it, the above mentioned raid should be safe since,
even if the old drive deteriorates further, the system can run on just
the new drive. Is that correct?

Here is the smafrtctl output:

$ sudo smartctl -x /dev/sda
smartctl 6.4 2014-10-07 r4002 [x86_64-linux-3.16.0-4-amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-14, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12
Device Model: ST31000528AS
Serial Number:5VP9QSWJ
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 03e5ccb5c
Firmware Version: CC3E
User Capacity:1,000,204,886,016 bytes [1.00 TB]
Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
Rotation Rate:7200 rpm
Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is: ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4
SATA Version is: SATA 2.6, 3.0 Gb/s
Local Time is:Mon Feb 6 12:57:05 2017 PST

==> WARNING: A firmware update for this drive may be available,
see the following Seagate web pages:
http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/207931en
http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/213891en

SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
AAM level is: 0 (vendor specific), recommended: 254
APM feature is: Unavailable
Rd look-ahead is: Enabled
Write cache is: Enabled
ATA Security is: Disabled, NOT FROZEN [SEC1]
Wt Cache Reorder: Unknown

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x82)Offline data collection activity
was completed without error.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 121)The previous self-test
completed having

Re: Depot Squeeze

2017-02-06 Thread Haricophile

Le Thu, 2 Feb 2017 09:24:25 +0100,
heho  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
> 
> désolé pour le top post
> mais je continue dans le même sens ;)
> 
> (désolé pour le message privé également)
> 
> pour info,
> ici avec un PIII en lenny,
> il y a ça dans le sources.list
> 
> deb  http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian lenny main
> 
> (contrib et non-free sont possible aussi)
> 
> Cordialement,
> hého

C'est même l'avantage de OS comme Debian. Je n'ai pas d'intérêt
personnel pour ressuciter un ordinosaure de plus de 20 ans d'âge avec
Debian Potatoes ou antérieur, mais les archives, les sources et les
docs sont dispo de manière pérenne. Il y a juste le problème des mises
à jour de sécurité, donc limiter et blinder tous les accès à internet.

C'est pas comme certains (tous?) éditeurs privateurs qui de temps en
temps cessent d'éditer leur logiciels avec des formats de documents
privateurs aussi qu'on ne peut pas récupérer pour cause de "propriété
intellectuelle" incluant obscurité, verrouillages et DRM. Si vous
n'avez pas (péniblement) convertis toutes vos archives en formats plus
ouverts, ça ne sert à rien de stocker du support magnétique pour le
plaisir d'avoir de belles étiquettes bien rangées dans des armoires.

Z'avez qu'a demander à des clients d'éditeurs pourtant bien connus comme
Adobe. Je passerais les plaisanteries avec le nombre incalculable de
particuliers qui a une époque ont perdus tous leurs documents en
changeant de versions de Microsoft "works". Quelle idée aussi
d'utiliser un gadget publicitaire pour gérer des choses tant soit peu
importantes ou personnelles...

Re: Tool to crypt a password

2017-02-06 Thread tomas

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On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 05:43:32PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> L'octidi 18 pluviôse, an CCXXV, Greg Wooledge a écrit :
> > I wrote this many years ago.  It's primitive, but may suit:
> > 
> > http://wooledge.org/~greg/crypt/
> 
> Indeed. Unfortunately, it suffers from a limitation similar to the one
> of htpasswd: it only supports 3DES, the oldest and weakest hashing
> algorithm.

My version of htpasswd (apache2-utils 2.4.10-10+deb8u7) supports
MD5 (-m), bcrypt (-B, with settable computing cost, -C), crypt (-d),
SHA (-s), and plaintext (-p, duh :-D

Default is MD5.

AFAIR it prefixes the passwords with the method, so they can be mixed
and matched in one file.

So perhaps it is what you are looking for.

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xerrada de com s'organitza Debian a Sobtec

2017-02-06 Thread Mònica Ramírez Arceda

Hola,

El proper dissabte 4 de març m'han convidat a fer una xerrada sobre com
s'organitza Debian al II Congrés de Sobirania Tecnològica [0]. Ja tenen
la programació a punt [1].

Si mireu el guió de la xerrada [2] hi ha un últim punt que es diu
DebianCat. La meva idea és que anaquest punt presenti una mica la
comunitat catalana de Debian. Voldria saber si alguns de vosaltres
vindreu per tal que en aquest punt enlloc de parlar jo sigui un debat
obert d'allò que fem i sobretot del que voldríem fer ;-)

Qui s'anima?

[0] http://sobtec.cat/
[1] http://sobtec.cat/calendari.html
[2]
https://sobtec.sandcats.io/shared/kMrzl9aBKA-IxhUak2vBIcK5JrtAQgAHd1K0hEYJKug/congres_2017/taller/debian

Evidentment, tot plegat és una bona excusa per trobar-nos ;-)))

Re: recherche captures d'écran pour install debian

2017-02-06 Thread Haricophile

Le Thu, 2 Feb 2017 15:18:58 +0100 (CET),
bernard.schoenac...@free.fr a écrit :

> bonjour,
> 
> à partir du site goodbye-microsoft.com je souhaiterai obtenir un
> maximum de captures d'écran ...
> 
> c'est pour aider une novice à passer sous linux
> 
> slt
> bernard
> 

Amha un test grandeur nature dans une machine virtuelle genre
VirtualBox c'est encore mieux, tant pour calmer les angoisses et
s'habituer à la procédure, que pour voir les choix pertinents en cours
d'installation avant de passer à l'installation définitive.

Après si on y réfléchit bien, les "difficultés" ne se situent pas au
même niveau, mais globalement installer Linux de A à Z avec les applis
c'est quand même nettement plus simple que d'installer Windows. Reste
l'apprentissage inhérent au changement système quel qu'il soit.

Au fait, Stretch est passé en "freeze", chic \(^o^)/

Re: usb tethering à partir de linux vers androïd

2017-02-06 Thread David Pinson

Le 05/02/2017 à 22:03, Christophe Moille a écrit :
> Le dimanche 05 f�vr. 2017 à 20:58:44 (+0100), David Pinson a écrit :
>> Le 05/02/2017 à 19:48, kaliderus a écrit :
>>> Bonsoir,
>>>
>>> La question concerne peut être le partage d'une connexion à partir
>>> d'un Linux pour un appareil Androïd (tout dépend comment comprendre "à
>>> partir ... vers" ?
>>> Dans ce cas, la solution passera par des règles iptables pour faire du
>>> NAT (network address translation).
>> on parle bien du "tethering"
>>
>> Il s'agit d'utiliser le téléphone portable comme un modem (terme pour
>> les ordinosaures) ou comme une box (terme pour les nuls) ou encore comme
>> un ETCD ou DCE (Équipement Terminal de Circuit de Données/Data Circuit
>> Terminating pour les professionnels)...
> Non justement, je pense plutôt que Bernard souhaitait développer le
> reverse tethering, le partage de la connexion internet captée par linux
> et partagée avec un android via USB.
>

J'ai lu de travers et je n'avais pas retenu le mot "reverse"... honte à
moi !

Je ferai cette méthode suivante en sachant que le tethering via câble
USB est le port usb0
puis le partage de connexion (wifi) du smartphone comporte déjà un
serveur DHCP (et avec le tethering activé, le port usb0 a déjà son IP)

#modprobe iptable nat
#echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_foward
#iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE

(eth0 est le port vers internet)

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Re: Update: My current intentRe: Advice / recommendations on Inexpensive Managed Ethernet Switches

2017-02-06 Thread deloptes

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> Thanks, very informative (esp. the ycombinator link).

which reminds me of those two cases
RHEL https://lwn.net/Articles/432012/
GRSec https://lwn.net/Articles/655721/

Re: Update: My current intentRe: Advice / recommendations on Inexpensive Managed Ethernet Switches

On Monday, February 06, 2017 10:49:53 AM Dan Ritter wrote:
> If you read carefully, you'll discover that LibertyBSD's
> complaints have not been addressed: Ubiquiti will ship you
> some source code, but not what's needed to build a booting
> system of your own.

Thanks, it was a pain to try to read and understand.  

> >* The device amounts to a small Linux (in fact, Debian) based box,
> >with,
> 
> It's based on Debian 6, and modified in ways which prevent you
> from upgrading further - at least the kernel and boot system.

Thanks, I guess if it runs and I can use it as a router, I'll be satisfied.

Re: Tool to crypt a password

2017-02-06 Thread Nicolas George

L'octidi 18 pluviôse, an CCXXV, Teemu Likonen a écrit :
> I'm not expert in this area but from what I have read I'm quite sure
> that 3DES is still very much safe. There are no known practical attack
> methods and it's still used for serious encryption.

I think you are mistaken.

As a block cipher, even if there are no attacks against 3DES itself, it
is considered unsafe like all block ciphers with 64-bits blocks due to
birthday attacks. But that is not what we are talking about here.

The 3DES-derived crypt() implementation is bad for nowadays passwords
for (at least) two reasons.

The first one is quite obvious: it only takes into account the first
eight characters of the password. Try this:

perl -e 'for (1, 2) { print crypt("abcdefgh$_", "XY"), "\n" }'

You will get the same output for abcdefgh1 and abcdefgh2.

The second reason is that it is way too fast, it makes off-line
brute-force practical for passwords that are just a little too short.

More modern crypt() implementations not only use the slower SHA-2
hashes, but they perform several thousands rounds of it. The default
nowadays seems to be SHA-512 with 5000 rounds, allowing less than 400
runs per second on a 3.5 GHz Core i7. The required time is directly
proportional to the number of rounds.

Regards,

-- 
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Re: Why gets unattended-upgrades installed after Debian jessie -> Debian stretch upgrade?

2017-02-06 Thread Mart van de Wege

Lisi Reisz  writes:

> On Monday 06 February 2017 13:54:11 Brian wrote:
>> On Mon 06 Feb 2017 at 13:19:00 +, Patrick Schleizer wrote:
>> > The unattended-upgrades was not installed on my Debian jessie system.
>> > After upgrading to Debian stretch, the package unattended-upgrades got
>> > installed. 'reverse-depends unattended-upgrades' [1] did not make me any
>> > wiser. There must be a gap of my apt knowledge. Can anyone shed light on
>> > this please?
>>
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/11/msg00117.html
>
> Can it cope with a back-log?  Has anyone tried?

We use it in production at work. Yes, it can, *provided* you don't have
any config file changes. That, it can't handle.

And forgive me a bit of a rant: it's a stereotypical Ubuntu hack job:
inefficient, chokes on fairly standard deviations from the norm and
badly documented.

I agree with the developers' sentiment that automatic upgrades are a
good thing, but I really think Debian could have cooked up a better
script than !@#$% 'unattended-upgrades'.

Mart

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Re: [OFF] Filosofia e TI

2017-02-06 Thread Henrique Fagundes


Julio e Rodolfo,

Eu ia escrever sobre o assunto, porém os senhores já expuseram o que eu 
penso. E com belas palavras.


Abraços a todos.

Atenciosamente,

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Em 06/02/2017 15:04, henrique escreveu:

Olá!

Traçando uma analogia arbitraria com a construção civil, o pedreiro não
precisa se ater a covalência das ligações do silício com o cálcio e com
o magnésio para ser um bom pedreiro. Apesar do concreto ser de vital
importância, estas questões de cerne molecular so tem interesse por
pesquisadores procurando novos produtos, que assim que estiverem
prontos, serão usados por toda uma cadeia produtiva, com manuais de
instruções, que **não** explicitarão as ligações moleculares.

Os conceitos de conhecimento, crença, razão e verdade estudados pela
filosofia não precisam ser dominados por quem aplica uma ferramenta de
programação, assim como para engatar a marcha de um ônibus do transporte
publico você não precisa conhecer absolutamente nada de siderurgia,
petroquímica e catalisadores, e assim como possuir conhecimento destes
assuntos não te torna um motorista melhor ou pior.

Agora, falando sobre áreas de TI, a logica de programação é muito mais
ligada a matemática e seus conceitos do que a filosofia.Vide teoria dos
conjuntos, logica booleana(logica nítida) e  logica fuzzy (logica
difusa), e o conhecimento destes conceitos matemáticos pode impactar o
profissional de TI. A filosofia clássica  pode interessar a um seleto
grupo de pesquisadores que estejam criando um novo produto, um novo
paradigma. Mas para a aplicação de produtos existentes, não acredito que
impacte alguma coisa, é muito mais util aproveitar o tempo livre para
aprender o sistema de leis do pais em que você está do que dedicar seu
tempo a filosofia clássica.
Abraços

Julio


*De:* Rodrigo Cunha 
*Para:* "Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA, Leandro" 
*Cc:* Debian-User 
*Enviadas:* Segunda-feira, 6 de Fevereiro de 2017 14:08
*Assunto:* Re: [OFF] Filosofia e TI

Guimarães, se tiver uma lista de TI que trate de filosofia me passe, não
conheço nenhuma e ficarei grato se me indicar alguma.

Enquanto não tenho outra lista, vai esse lista mesmo como [OFF] _termo
apropriado;

Minha pergunta tem diversas origens, mas posso dar uma resposta a essa
pergunta:

Na minha percepção do cotidiano muitos técnicos em informática,
desenvolvedores, sysadmin tratam a lógica com o devido respeito, mas não
fazem a menor idéia de que a lógica é um assunto tratado pelo pensamento
filosófico a 2 mil anos, o próprio Aristóteles trata de lógica em seus
livros.

Desta perspectiva a pergunta certa seria:
Por que a filosofia, que trata da lógica não deve ser importante para
quem depende de lógica para seu sustento?



Em 6 de fevereiro de 2017 10:58, Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA, Leandro
> escreveu:

2017-02-04 19:17 GMT-02:00 Rodrigo Cunha >:
>
> Dito isso, pergunto aos meus companheiros de oficio: Qual é a importância,
> para vocês, da filosofia para o avanço e para a epistemologia dentro do
> campo da informática ou do tratamento da informação.Seria seu estudo mais 
um
> peso ou uma necessidade humana frente a questão "homem x maquina".

Além de que ‘fora de tópico, fora da lista’ (certamente há listas mais
adequadas para isso), a pergunta está muito ampla.  Por que seria
importante?  Você não disse de onde vem sua pergunta, ela ficou solta
no espaço.  Mas desenvolva isso alhures.


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Re: Some x-terminals do not compose unicode characters

2017-02-06 Thread Alessandro T.

On 05/02/2017 23:18, deloptes wrote:
> [...]
> now check for tty
>
> cat /etc/default/console-setup
> # CONFIGURATION FILE FOR SETUPCON
>
> # Consult the console-setup(5) manual page.
>
> ACTIVE_CONSOLES="/dev/tty[1-6]"
>
> CHARMAP="UTF-8"
>
> CODESET="guess"
> FONTFACE="Fixed"
> FONTSIZE="8x16"
>
> VIDEOMODE=
>
> # The following is an example how to use a braille font
> # FONT='lat9w-08.psf.gz brl-8x8.psf'

I have the same

>
> [...]
>
> Markus Kuhn's UTF-8 and Unicode FAQ for Unix/Linux is invaluable.
> http://superuser.com/questions/556993/how-to-display-unicode-in-a-linux-virtual-terminal

I'll take a look

BTW I installed a VM (testing), I checked the test `echo -e '1\u03362'`
and I got the same return: simple 1 and strikethrough 2 :-(


Regards

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Re: Locales

2017-02-06 Thread Alessandro T.

On 06/02/2017 07:53, Teemu Likonen wrote:
> Alessandro T. [2017-02-05 22:10:55+01] wrote:
>
>> Isn't localization set by locale?
> I have not followed this thread closely but will just point that
> nowadays it's probably good idea to set locales with "localectl". That
> command will write the changes to the right files. Examples from my
> system:
>
> localectl set-locale LANG=fi_FI.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=C
>
> localectl set-x11-keymap fi pc105 "" compose:rwin,ctrl:swapcaps
>

Thanks for this info


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Re: Redémarrage après mise en veille

2017-02-06 Thread JF Straeten


Re,


On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 06:20:50PM +0100, Jean Bernon wrote:

> J'utilise un ASUS K551LN X0401H avec Debian Jessie et le pilote
> Nouveau. Depuis 2 ans j'utilise la plupart du temps la mise en
> veille pour arrêter mon portable. Le redémarrage après mise en
> veille fonctionnait en général (avec un blocage une fois sur 20
> environ). Depuis 2 jours, sans que je comprenne ce qui a changé, le
> redémarrage échoue systématiquement. Un autre problème est apparu en
> même temps : le boot reste bloqué sur "chargement de la mémoire
> initiale..." et je dois appuyer deux fois  pour débloquer.
> Quelqu'un a-t-il déjà rencontré ce problème ou a-t-il une idée ?

Après la veille, toute la machine redémarre ou elle revient au display
manager ? J'ai ça ici (2eme cas) depuis un jour ou deux sur une SP3
que j'essaye de passer sous Debian (Stretch)... La session graphique
se crashe au réveil et c'est retour au DM.

Je ne sais pas encore ce que c'est, toutefois :-[

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Re: Why gets unattended-upgrades installed after Debian jessie -> Debian stretch upgrade?

2017-02-06 Thread Joe

On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 17:18:25 +
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> On Monday 06 February 2017 16:55:25 Joe wrote:
> > On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 16:30:36 +
> >
> > Lisi Reisz  wrote:  
> > > On Monday 06 February 2017 13:54:11 Brian wrote:  
> > > > On Mon 06 Feb 2017 at 13:19:00 +, Patrick Schleizer wrote:  
> > > > > The unattended-upgrades was not installed on my Debian jessie
> > > > > system. After upgrading to Debian stretch, the package
> > > > > unattended-upgrades got installed. 'reverse-depends
> > > > > unattended-upgrades' [1] did not make me any wiser. There
> > > > > must be a gap of my apt knowledge. Can anyone shed light on
> > > > > this please?  
> > > >
> > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/11/msg00117.html  
> > >
> > > Can it cope with a back-log?  Has anyone tried?  I can't
> > > suck-it-and-see on any of my own systems because they are all up
> > > to date.
> > >
> > > Two of my clients' systems are horribly out of date; Teamviewer is
> > > playing up; I haven't sussed port forwarding via that router and
> > > on a Dynamic IP, and I am having difficulty getting physical
> > > access.  I am sure that I could talk one of them through
> > > installing unattended-upgrades if it could then sort out the
> > > much-needed security updates.  The rest can wait for the other
> > > problems to be solved!!  
> >
> > Are they stable? I don't think that a released stable can accumulate
> > enough updates in its entire life to cause trouble, whereas an
> > unstable neglected for a year is likely (though not certain) to
> > need nursing carefully up to date. Stable doesn't get its entire
> > architecture and its fundamental libraries mucked about with.  
> 
> The underlying Debian, yes.  8.4 or 5.  The desktop less so.  But if 
> unattended upgrades does security only that shouldn't cause a
> problem.  This seems to be my answer!  Great!
> 

I am offering the customary software guarantees...

-- 
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Re: Tool to crypt a password

2017-02-06 Thread Teemu Likonen

Nicolas George [2017-02-06 17:43:32+01] wrote:

> L'octidi 18 pluviôse, an CCXXV, Greg Wooledge a écrit :
>> I wrote this many years ago.  It's primitive, but may suit:
>> 
>> http://wooledge.org/~greg/crypt/
>
> Indeed. Unfortunately, it suffers from a limitation similar to the one
> of htpasswd: it only supports 3DES, the oldest and weakest hashing
> algorithm.

I'm not expert in this area but from what I have read I'm quite sure
that 3DES is still very much safe. There are no known practical attack
methods and it's still used for serious encryption.

Wikipedia has some information (with references) and this was discussed
recently in GnuPG users mailing list.

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Re: How to fix I/O errors?

2017-02-06 Thread Gene Heskett

On Monday 06 February 2017 10:22:54 Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

> David Christensen  writes:
> > On 02/04/17 07:18, Ric Moore wrote:
> >> I'm looking at a Seagate 750 gig drive that went south on me with a
> >> pile of errors. Good luck getting Seagate to give a good gosh darn.
> >> In the past I have had mixed results replacing the drive
> >> motherboard. I saved two out of three. I doubt I will buy anything
> >> Seagate makes in the future.
> >
> > Everything electrical and mechanical fails.  It's just a question of
> > when, followed by whether or not you're prepared.
> >
> >
> > I've found (and heard) that the worst thing I can do to a HDD is put
> > it on the shelf and let it rot.  I've had more than a few that
> > failed shortly after being put into a computer.
>
> I hadn't heard this...  I've got a drive I've been keeping as a cold
> spare.  Am I better off (in the sense of "is it more likely to
> actually be useable when I need it") installing it and adding it to
> one of my RAID1 arrays?  Can you point me to an article about it?

That cold spare will eventually develop stiction, seizing the parked haed 
to the surface of the disk solidly enough that the disk motor cannot 
break it loose to spin the disk up.  Such is best treated by hooking up 
the cables, but holding the drive in your hand so that you can turn on 
the power, and within a couple seconds, give the drive a good sideways 
blow on a corner with the ball of the wrist so the drive housing/casting 
is caused to rotate a few degrees around the axis of the disk, breaking 
the stiction so the spindle motor can spin it up. The theory is that the 
drive frame rotates when you drive it by hitting the corner, but the 
disk doesn't, breaking the stiction seal.

Based on my experience here, with terabyte drives, they seem to be better 
off spinning even when not in active service. I have one old terabyte 
drive thats had 25 bad, re-allocated clusters, since the first time I 
had smartctl do an extended self test on it several years ago. It still 
has 25 reallocated sectors this day, with (word wrapped):
 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036Pre-fail  
Always   -   25
and
  9 Power_On_Hours  0x0032   030   030   000Old_age   
Always   -   61430

And that drive gets beat on every night as its my backup disk containing 
all the virtual tapes amanda uses.

In terms of spin time, thats 6.997490303 years.  And thats a Seagate 
Barracuda drive, which has a horrible reputation according to these 
mailing lists.

One secret though. When that drive was new to me, I went to the seagate 
web site and downloaded a cd image for that model that updated its 
firmware. As I already had a linux install on it, I applied it to that 
drive with a bit of trepidation. But worry wasn't needed, I didn't lose 
a byte of the install. But a side benefit was that the drives speed was 
nearly doubled.

If you can afford the time, I highly recommend putting the latest 
firmware in it before putting it in service. Who knows how long its been 
on the dealers warehouse shelf, but the dealer bought 10,000 when they 
were announced. And the initial shipment can be guaranteed to have been 
bagged with Alpha rated firmware in it.  Always update new drives is the 
message from this elderly (82) user.  You won't regret it.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Re: Debian Sid not booting - systemd failed to register manager vtable: file exists

2017-02-06 Thread Leonhardt,Christian

Hello Jiri,

I had the same problem and removing sssd solved the issue. Thank you
for the solution.
Do you know if there is already a bug report so the developers are
aware of the problem?

Greetings
Leo

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Redémarrage après mise en veille

2017-02-06 Thread Jean Bernon

Bonjour, 


J'utilise un ASUS K551LN X0401H avec Debian Jessie et le pilote Nouveau. Depuis 
2 ans j'utilise la plupart du temps la mise en veille pour arrêter mon 
portable. Le redémarrage après mise en veille fonctionnait en général (avec un 
blocage une fois sur 20 environ). 
Depuis 2 jours, sans que je comprenne ce qui a changé, le redémarrage échoue 
systématiquement. Un autre problème est apparu en même temps : le boot reste 
bloqué sur "chargement de la mémoire initiale..." et je dois appuyer deux fois 
 pour débloquer. 
Quelqu'un a-t-il déjà rencontré ce problème ou a-t-il une idée ? 

Merci de vos retours. 
Jean

Re: Why gets unattended-upgrades installed after Debian jessie -> Debian stretch upgrade?

On Monday 06 February 2017 16:55:25 Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 16:30:36 +
>
> Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > On Monday 06 February 2017 13:54:11 Brian wrote:
> > > On Mon 06 Feb 2017 at 13:19:00 +, Patrick Schleizer wrote:
> > > > The unattended-upgrades was not installed on my Debian jessie
> > > > system. After upgrading to Debian stretch, the package
> > > > unattended-upgrades got installed. 'reverse-depends
> > > > unattended-upgrades' [1] did not make me any wiser. There must be
> > > > a gap of my apt knowledge. Can anyone shed light on this please?
> > >
> > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/11/msg00117.html
> >
> > Can it cope with a back-log?  Has anyone tried?  I can't
> > suck-it-and-see on any of my own systems because they are all up to
> > date.
> >
> > Two of my clients' systems are horribly out of date; Teamviewer is
> > playing up; I haven't sussed port forwarding via that router and on a
> > Dynamic IP, and I am having difficulty getting physical access.  I am
> > sure that I could talk one of them through installing
> > unattended-upgrades if it could then sort out the much-needed
> > security updates.  The rest can wait for the other problems to be
> > solved!!
>
> Are they stable? I don't think that a released stable can accumulate
> enough updates in its entire life to cause trouble, whereas an unstable
> neglected for a year is likely (though not certain) to need nursing
> carefully up to date. Stable doesn't get its entire architecture and
> its fundamental libraries mucked about with.

The underlying Debian, yes.  8.4 or 5.  The desktop less so.  But if 
unattended upgrades does security only that shouldn't cause a problem.  This 
seems to be my answer!  Great!

Thanks, Joe.

Lisi

Re: [OFF] Filosofia e TI

2017-02-06 Thread henrique

Olá! 

Traçando uma analogia arbitraria com a construção civil, o pedreiro não precisa 
se ater a covalência das ligações do silício com o cálcio e com o magnésio para 
ser um bom pedreiro. Apesar do concreto ser de vital importância, estas 
questões de cerne molecular so tem interesse por pesquisadores procurando novos 
produtos, que assim que estiverem prontos, serão usados por toda uma cadeia 
produtiva, com manuais de instruções, que **não** explicitarão as ligações 
moleculares. 

Os conceitos de conhecimento, crença, razão e verdade estudados pela filosofia 
não precisam ser dominados por quem aplica uma ferramenta de programação, assim 
como para engatar a marcha de um ônibus do transporte publico você não precisa 
conhecer absolutamente nada de siderurgia, petroquímica e catalisadores, e 
assim como possuir conhecimento destes assuntos não te torna um motorista 
melhor ou pior. 
Agora, falando sobre áreas de TI, a logica de programação é muito mais ligada a 
matemática e seus conceitos do que a filosofia.Vide teoria dos conjuntos, 
logica booleana(logica nítida) e  logica fuzzy (logica difusa), e o 
conhecimento destes conceitos matemáticos pode impactar o profissional de TI. A 
filosofia clássica  pode interessar a um seleto grupo de pesquisadores que 
estejam criando um novo produto, um novo paradigma. Mas para a aplicação de 
produtos existentes, não acredito que impacte alguma coisa, é muito mais util 
aproveitar o tempo livre para aprender o sistema de leis do pais em que você 
está do que dedicar seu tempo a filosofia clássica.
Abraços
Julio

  De: Rodrigo Cunha 
 Para: "Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA, Leandro"  
Cc: Debian-User 
 Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 6 de Fevereiro de 2017 14:08
 Assunto: Re: [OFF] Filosofia e TI
   
Guimarães, se tiver uma lista de TI que trate de filosofia me passe, não 
conheço nenhuma e ficarei grato se me indicar alguma.

Enquanto não tenho outra lista, vai esse lista mesmo como [OFF] _termo 
apropriado;

Minha pergunta tem diversas origens, mas posso dar uma resposta a essa pergunta:

Na minha percepção do cotidiano muitos técnicos em informática, 
desenvolvedores, sysadmin tratam a lógica com o devido respeito, mas não fazem 
a menor idéia de que a lógica é um assunto tratado pelo pensamento filosófico a 
2 mil anos, o próprio Aristóteles trata de lógica em seus livros.

Desta perspectiva a pergunta certa seria: 
Por que a filosofia, que trata da lógica não deve ser importante para quem 
depende de lógica para seu sustento?



Em 6 de fevereiro de 2017 10:58, Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA, Leandro 
 escreveu:

2017-02-04 19:17 GMT-02:00 Rodrigo Cunha :
>
> Dito isso, pergunto aos meus companheiros de oficio: Qual é a importância,
> para vocês, da filosofia para o avanço e para a epistemologia dentro do
> campo da informática ou do tratamento da informação.Seria seu estudo mais um
> peso ou uma necessidade humana frente a questão "homem x maquina".

Além de que ‘fora de tópico, fora da lista’ (certamente há listas mais
adequadas para isso), a pergunta está muito ampla.  Por que seria
importante?  Você não disse de onde vem sua pergunta, ela ficou solta
no espaço.  Mas desenvolva isso alhures.


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2017-02-06 Thread Henrique Fagundes


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Re: [OFF] Filosofia e TI

2017-02-06 Thread Felipe Duque

"Por que a filosofia, que trata da lógica não deve ser importante para 
quem depende de lógica para seu sustento?"

De forma bem fria, porque um técnico que saiba filosofia não será mais 
valorizado do que outro que não saiba. A filosofia, pro técnico, não é 
atrativa porque não melhora sua capacidade técnica. Da mesma forma, um 
secretário que trabalha com computador o dia inteiro não precisa saber 
de aritmética booleana, mesmo que todo o computador seja baseado nisso.

Isso não significa que eu /concorde /com o fato de que o povo de TI, de 
forma geral, não saiba interpretar ou elaborar um texto mais elaborado 
ou profundo. Acho que todos os profissionais deveriam ter certo nível de 
generalismo, mas isso não é muito apreciado no mercado.

On 02/06/2017 01:08 PM, Rodrigo Cunha wrote:
Guimarães, se tiver uma lista de TI que trate de filosofia me passe, 
não conheço nenhuma e ficarei grato se me indicar alguma.

Enquanto não tenho outra lista, vai esse lista mesmo como [OFF] _termo 
apropriado;

Minha pergunta tem diversas origens, mas posso dar uma resposta a essa 
pergunta:

Na minha percepção do cotidiano muitos técnicos em informática, 
desenvolvedores, sysadmin tratam a lógica com o devido respeito, mas 
não fazem a menor idéia de que a lógica é um assunto tratado pelo 
pensamento filosófico a 2 mil anos, o próprio Aristóteles trata de 
lógica em seus livros.

Desta perspectiva a pergunta certa seria:
Por que a filosofia, que trata da lógica não deve ser importante para 
quem depende de lógica para seu sustento?

Em 6 de fevereiro de 2017 10:58, Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA, 
Leandro > escreveu:

2017-02-04 19:17 GMT-02:00 Rodrigo Cunha
>:
>
> Dito isso, pergunto aos meus companheiros de oficio: Qual é a
importância,
> para vocês, da filosofia para o avanço e para a epistemologia
dentro do
> campo da informática ou do tratamento da informação.Seria seu
estudo mais um
> peso ou uma necessidade humana frente a questão "homem x maquina".

Além de que ‘fora de tópico, fora da lista’ (certamente há listas mais
adequadas para isso), a pergunta está muito ampla.  Por que seria
importante?  Você não disse de onde vem sua pergunta, ela ficou solta
no espaço.  Mas desenvolva isso alhures.

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Re: Why gets unattended-upgrades installed after Debian jessie -> Debian stretch upgrade?

2017-02-06 Thread Joe

On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 16:30:36 +
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> On Monday 06 February 2017 13:54:11 Brian wrote:
> > On Mon 06 Feb 2017 at 13:19:00 +, Patrick Schleizer wrote:  
> > > The unattended-upgrades was not installed on my Debian jessie
> > > system. After upgrading to Debian stretch, the package
> > > unattended-upgrades got installed. 'reverse-depends
> > > unattended-upgrades' [1] did not make me any wiser. There must be
> > > a gap of my apt knowledge. Can anyone shed light on this please?  
> >
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/11/msg00117.html  
> 
> Can it cope with a back-log?  Has anyone tried?  I can't
> suck-it-and-see on any of my own systems because they are all up to
> date.  
> 
> Two of my clients' systems are horribly out of date; Teamviewer is
> playing up; I haven't sussed port forwarding via that router and on a
> Dynamic IP, and I am having difficulty getting physical access.  I am
> sure that I could talk one of them through installing
> unattended-upgrades if it could then sort out the much-needed
> security updates.  The rest can wait for the other problems to be
> solved!!
> 

Are they stable? I don't think that a released stable can accumulate
enough updates in its entire life to cause trouble, whereas an unstable
neglected for a year is likely (though not certain) to need nursing
carefully up to date. Stable doesn't get its entire architecture and
its fundamental libraries mucked about with.

-- 
Joe

Re: Tool to crypt a password

2017-02-06 Thread Nicolas George

L'octidi 18 pluviôse, an CCXXV, Greg Wooledge a écrit :
> I wrote this many years ago.  It's primitive, but may suit:
> 
> http://wooledge.org/~greg/crypt/

Indeed. Unfortunately, it suffers from a limitation similar to the one
of htpasswd: it only supports 3DES, the oldest and weakest hashing
algorithm.

Well, I see it can accept an explicit salt, forcing the use of any
supported algorithm. But that requires something else to generate the
salt, which is the most annoying part to implement, because if you
already have a salt, perl -e 'print crypt("pass", "\$6\$salt\$"), "\n"'
does the trick.

I guess many people have implemented a rudimentary variant of that kind
of tool (mine is ~30 lines of perl) but nobody went the last kilometer.

> Oh  Um.  No?  Or, you could package it yourself?  I guess that's not
> what you actually meant though.  I guess you meant "something that can
> be installed on someone else's computer without freaking them out".

Exactly. In fact, I cannot understand why it is not already present in
util-linux or coreutils.

Regards,

-- 
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Re: Tool to crypt a password

2017-02-06 Thread Greg Wooledge

On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 05:28:39PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> Does anybody know a packaged program that provides a simple but good
> interface to the libc's crypt() function?

I wrote this many years ago.  It's primitive, but may suit:

http://wooledge.org/~greg/crypt/

> [...] a packaged program [...]

Oh  Um.  No?  Or, you could package it yourself?  I guess that's not
what you actually meant though.  I guess you meant "something that can
be installed on someone else's computer without freaking them out".

Re: Why gets unattended-upgrades installed after Debian jessie -> Debian stretch upgrade?

On Monday 06 February 2017 13:54:11 Brian wrote:
> On Mon 06 Feb 2017 at 13:19:00 +, Patrick Schleizer wrote:
> > The unattended-upgrades was not installed on my Debian jessie system.
> > After upgrading to Debian stretch, the package unattended-upgrades got
> > installed. 'reverse-depends unattended-upgrades' [1] did not make me any
> > wiser. There must be a gap of my apt knowledge. Can anyone shed light on
> > this please?
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/11/msg00117.html

Can it cope with a back-log?  Has anyone tried?  I can't suck-it-and-see on 
any of my own systems because they are all up to date.  

Two of my clients' systems are horribly out of date; Teamviewer is playing up; 
I haven't sussed port forwarding via that router and on a Dynamic IP, and I 
am having difficulty getting physical access.  I am sure that I could talk 
one of them through installing unattended-upgrades if it could then sort out 
the much-needed security updates.  The rest can wait for the other problems 
to be solved!!

Lisi

Tool to crypt a password

2017-02-06 Thread Nicolas George

Hi.

Does anybody know a packaged program that provides a simple but good
interface to the libc's crypt() function?

I mean something that reads "2JTnJhXPzISn" on stdin and writes
"$6$BqdmYkw0fsG5y8Av$LOTAkcnFu.LJlaZH./16RgX.IqSPoxuhALCqgih9tMqspMLMVzJ9WZqxUJr/.ium/8pi3iWh56G..V1XcRvNo."
on stdout, no more.

The closest thing I found for now is htpasswd, from apache2-utils. It
has the drawback of always wanting to work with a file, but a temp file
is not a big bother. More problematically, it only knows the oldest and
weakest hashing algorithms.

A good tool needs command-line options to choose between any hashing
algorithm supported by the libc and select the various options,
including the number of rounds. Ideally, it would parse /etc/login.defs
to use the same defaults as what passwd would put in /etc/shadow.

Is is quite easy to implement, as all the tricky crypto is already in
the libc and it would not run in an hostile environment. A few lines of
perl do the trick. But it is better to be able to rely on something
packaged.

Regards,

-- 
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Re: [OFF] Filosofia e TI

2017-02-06 Thread Sinval Júnior

Filosofia não trata de lógica, Aristóteles além de filosofo foi Matemático.
Desenvolvimento de Sistemas trata de lógica booleana. Não queira confundir
lógica com razão.

Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor:
1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico;
2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários.
Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners.

#=+
#!/usr/bin/env python
nome = 'Sinval Júnior'
email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com'
print nome
print email
#==+

Em 6 de fevereiro de 2017 14:08, Rodrigo Cunha 
escreveu:

> Guimarães, se tiver uma lista de TI que trate de filosofia me passe, não
> conheço nenhuma e ficarei grato se me indicar alguma.
>
> Enquanto não tenho outra lista, vai esse lista mesmo como [OFF] _termo
> apropriado;
>
> Minha pergunta tem diversas origens, mas posso dar uma resposta a essa
> pergunta:
>
> Na minha percepção do cotidiano muitos técnicos em informática,
> desenvolvedores, sysadmin tratam a lógica com o devido respeito, mas não
> fazem a menor idéia de que a lógica é um assunto tratado pelo pensamento
> filosófico a 2 mil anos, o próprio Aristóteles trata de lógica em seus
> livros.
>
> Desta perspectiva a pergunta certa seria:
> Por que a filosofia, que trata da lógica não deve ser importante para quem
> depende de lógica para seu sustento?
>
>
>
> Em 6 de fevereiro de 2017 10:58, Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA, Leandro <
> l...@dutras.org> escreveu:
>
>> 2017-02-04 19:17 GMT-02:00 Rodrigo Cunha :
>> >
>> > Dito isso, pergunto aos meus companheiros de oficio: Qual é a
>> importância,
>> > para vocês, da filosofia para o avanço e para a epistemologia dentro do
>> > campo da informática ou do tratamento da informação.Seria seu estudo
>> mais um
>> > peso ou uma necessidade humana frente a questão "homem x maquina".
>>
>> Além de que ‘fora de tópico, fora da lista’ (certamente há listas mais
>> adequadas para isso), a pergunta está muito ampla.  Por que seria
>> importante?  Você não disse de onde vem sua pergunta, ela ficou solta
>> no espaço.  Mas desenvolva isso alhures.
>>
>>
>> --
>> skype:leandro.gfc.dutra?chat  Yahoo!: ymsgr:sendIM?lgcdutra
>> +55 (61) 3546 7191  gTalk: xmpp:leand...@jabber.org
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> Atenciosamente,
> Rodrigo da Silva Cunha
> São Gonçalo, RJ - Brasil
>
>

Re: [OFF] Filosofia e TI

2017-02-06 Thread Rodrigo Cunha

Guimarães, se tiver uma lista de TI que trate de filosofia me passe, não
conheço nenhuma e ficarei grato se me indicar alguma.

Enquanto não tenho outra lista, vai esse lista mesmo como [OFF] _termo
apropriado;

Minha pergunta tem diversas origens, mas posso dar uma resposta a essa
pergunta:

Na minha percepção do cotidiano muitos técnicos em informática,
desenvolvedores, sysadmin tratam a lógica com o devido respeito, mas não
fazem a menor idéia de que a lógica é um assunto tratado pelo pensamento
filosófico a 2 mil anos, o próprio Aristóteles trata de lógica em seus
livros.

Desta perspectiva a pergunta certa seria:
Por que a filosofia, que trata da lógica não deve ser importante para quem
depende de lógica para seu sustento?



Em 6 de fevereiro de 2017 10:58, Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA, Leandro <
l...@dutras.org> escreveu:

> 2017-02-04 19:17 GMT-02:00 Rodrigo Cunha :
> >
> > Dito isso, pergunto aos meus companheiros de oficio: Qual é a
> importância,
> > para vocês, da filosofia para o avanço e para a epistemologia dentro do
> > campo da informática ou do tratamento da informação.Seria seu estudo
> mais um
> > peso ou uma necessidade humana frente a questão "homem x maquina".
>
> Além de que ‘fora de tópico, fora da lista’ (certamente há listas mais
> adequadas para isso), a pergunta está muito ampla.  Por que seria
> importante?  Você não disse de onde vem sua pergunta, ela ficou solta
> no espaço.  Mas desenvolva isso alhures.
>
>
> --
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> +55 (61) 3546 7191  gTalk: xmpp:leand...@jabber.org
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>



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Re: Como capturar llamadas entrantes?

2017-02-06 Thread Ramses

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 escribió:
>Como o con que pudiera configurar un server para que por una linea 
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Re: How to fix I/O errors?

2017-02-06 Thread Joe Pfeiffer

David Christensen  writes:

> On 02/04/17 07:18, Ric Moore wrote:
>> I'm looking at a Seagate 750 gig drive that went south on me with a pile
>> of errors. Good luck getting Seagate to give a good gosh darn. In the
>> past I have had mixed results replacing the drive motherboard. I saved
>> two out of three. I doubt I will buy anything Seagate makes in the
>> future.
>
> Everything electrical and mechanical fails.  It's just a question of
> when, followed by whether or not you're prepared.
>
>
> I've found (and heard) that the worst thing I can do to a HDD is put
> it on the shelf and let it rot.  I've had more than a few that failed
> shortly after being put into a computer.

I hadn't heard this...  I've got a drive I've been keeping as a cold
spare.  Am I better off (in the sense of "is it more likely to actually
be useable when I need it") installing it and adding it to one of my
RAID1 arrays?  Can you point me to an article about it?

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Re: Update: My current intentRe: Advice / recommendations on Inexpensive Managed Ethernet Switches

2017-02-06 Thread Dan Ritter

On Sun, Feb 05, 2017 at 11:54:35AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am the OP, I want to thank everyone for their comments.
> 
> I think I've decided to buy an inexpensive router instead of a switch, and, 
> in 
> fact, I think I'll go with a Ubiquiti ER-X 256MB Storage 5 Gigabit RJ45 
> ports.  
> My reasoning includes considering these points:
> 
>* There is at least a question about a GPL issue / violation.  IIUC, this 
> has to do with a program named uboot, for which, at least at one time, 
> Ubiquiti may not have provided the modified source code.  The references that 
> I 
> could find online dated from 2012 through about 2015 (668 days from yesterday 
> ;-), and it seems that Ubiquiti, at least, seems to think they are now in 
> compliance.  (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9331512)

uboot is similar to grub or lilo.

If you read carefully, you'll discover that LibertyBSD's
complaints have not been addressed: Ubiquiti will ship you
some source code, but not what's needed to build a booting
system of your own.


>* The device amounts to a small Linux (in fact, Debian) based box, with, 

It's based on Debian 6, and modified in ways which prevent you
from upgrading further - at least the kernel and boot system.

-dsr-

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Como capturar llamadas entrantes?

2017-02-06 Thread Alberto Cabrejas Pérez

Como o con que pudiera configurar un server para que por una linea 
telefónica conectado por modem a una PC las llamadas entrantes las 
guarde automáticamente y otras gestiones...



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Re: PROBLEMAS CON DEBIAN 8 64 BITS

2017-02-06 Thread Matias Mucciolo



On Monday 06 February 2017 11:12:11 Felix Perez wrote:
> El día 4 de febrero de 2017, 23:37, Cyril Brulebois  
> escribió:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Abraham Coiman  (2017-01-26):
> >> Buen día
> >>
> >> Tengo problemas con Debian 8
> >>
> >> Lo he instalo dos veces y presenta el mismo problema
> >>
> >> He asignado lo siguiente:
> >>
> >> 9 Gb /
> >> 5 Gb /home
> >> 6 Gb intercambio
> >> 200 mb /boot
> >>
> >> Al inicio funciona bien, pero cuando arreglo el sudo y la hora
> >>
> >> la partición / para de 4 gb de espacio libre a 0 Gb
> >>
> >> Todo colapsa y no funciona más
> >
> > You're expected to post in English on debian-boot@; I'm adding
> > debian-user-spanish to cc since someone there might help.
> >
> 
> Por favor no hagas crossposting, gracias.
> 
> Difícil saber que esta llenando el dispositivo si no indicas que
> entorno estas instalando, que paquetes estas instalando y en qué estas
> instalando.
> 
> Estimado faltan datos.
> 
> Saludos.
> 
> 
> -- 
> usuario linux  #274354
> normas de la lista:  http://wiki.debian.org/es/NormasLista
> como hacer preguntas inteligentes:
> http://www.sindominio.net/ayuda/preguntas-inteligentes.html
> 


Buenas

crossposting ?? nadie hizo crossposting...

Abraham a que llamas "arreglo el sudo y la hora" ?

para empezar podes ver el espacio de cada directorio
haciendo por ejempĺo:

du -hs /*

y ver que directorios van creciendo.
mas probable que sea /tmp  o /var

Saludos
Matias

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