Re: WiFi after initial install
On 12/5/2016 12:00 PM, Seeker wrote: On 12/5/2016 7:31 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote: All my past Debian experience of setting up WiFi is pre-systemd / pre-stretch, and a long time in my past so I have forgotten more than I ever knew :) Outside Debian, I've done it on LFS using systemd-networkd -- I know that can be made to work but it doesn't seem very Debianesque to me. Any suggestions on what I should do to set this up? TIA Mark If your past experience is doing the setup in '/etc/network/interfaces' That has not changed. At least the way I do it has not changed. I'm running Debian unstable, with resolvconf installed so I can put the DNS name servers in the iterfaces file. I use static IP addresses so my wireless config looks something like iface wlan0 inet static address X.X.X.X netmask X.X.X.X gateway X.X.X.X dns-nameservers X.X.X.X X.X.X.X wpa-ssid your_ssid wpa-psk Your_Wireless_Key The only changes to my wireless configuration over the years have been due to interface name changes and at some point (probably when I switched from WEP to WPA) the wireless part went from wireless-ssid wireless-psk to wpa-ssid wpa-psk so for dhcp should be something like. iface wlan0 inet dhcp wpa-ssid your_ssid wpa-psk Your_Wireless_Key Forgot to include that you also need a line that tells debian you want the interface brought up during boot. auto wlan0 in my case wlan0, but needs to match whatever name Debian gives your network interface. If you have a need or just personal desire for your wirless key to be stored in an encrypted format then you have to do some different configuration for the WPA stuff, which I have not dug into since the above solution works for my needs. Later, Seeker
Re: WiFi after initial install
On 12/5/2016 7:31 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote: All my past Debian experience of setting up WiFi is pre-systemd / pre-stretch, and a long time in my past so I have forgotten more than I ever knew :) Outside Debian, I've done it on LFS using systemd-networkd -- I know that can be made to work but it doesn't seem very Debianesque to me. Any suggestions on what I should do to set this up? TIA Mark If your past experience is doing the setup in '/etc/network/interfaces' That has not changed. At least the way I do it has not changed. I'm running Debian unstable, with resolvconf installed so I can put the DNS name servers in the iterfaces file. I use static IP addresses so my wireless config looks something like iface wlan0 inet static address X.X.X.X netmask X.X.X.X gateway X.X.X.X dns-nameservers X.X.X.X X.X.X.X wpa-ssid your_ssid wpa-psk Your_Wireless_Key The only changes to my wireless configuration over the years have been due to interface name changes and at some point (probably when I switched from WEP to WPA) the wireless part went from wireless-ssid wireless-psk to wpa-ssid wpa-psk so for dhcp should be something like. iface wlan0 inet dhcp wpa-ssid your_ssid wpa-psk Your_Wireless_Key If you have a need or just personal desire for your wirless key to be stored in an encrypted format then you have to do some different configuration for the WPA stuff, which I have not dug into since the above solution works for my needs. Later, Seeker
Re: A workaround was -[Re: Index of hardware test utilities available in official Debian repositories]
On 11/30/2016 11:20 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 11/29/2016 8:52 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 08:07:47 AM Verde Denim wrote: On 11/29/2016 7:31 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I just looked at the intro of https://debtags.alioth.debian.org/paper-debtags.html . It appears that its goal is to solve my problem. I see a day of interesting reading ahead. Thank you. I'm afraid the days of the published OS document containing the permutated index are long gone. From this reply, I guessed that debtags was a dead project (the page referred to apparently orignated in 2005, iiuc). But, I dug a little deeper and found the following, which has a copyright of 2011-2013, and may be fairly useful. I went to: https://debtags.debian.org/search/ and, for kicks, queried on "diagnostic" and got 92 hits. The page / project appears to still allow people to add new tags, although I didn't try that. Let me (us) know how you make out if you try it... I didn't find it satisfying. That is not to say the search execution had any inherent problems. There just didn't seem to be an appropriate tag(s) for my goals. I've been so focused on crating a fully custom install of Debian on a flash drive that I forgot having a batch of physical CDs with free [as in beer] diagnostic software. I'll check which of them are FOSS and search the repositories for them. If there enough, I'll look into tweaking their tags so they can be found. A second path is looking at descriptions of the software on these CDs and come up with a better set of keywords than I've been using. Now to continue torture testing my laptop that no longer wants to run Jessie ;/ Did you find your way to axi-cache? It's part of thhe xapian / apt-xapian-index stuff. Still limited, but may give better results than using debtags directory. The packages descriptions don't always have the information either. http://www.enricozini.org/blog/2010/debian/axi-cache/ https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/11/29/how-to-find-the-right-debian-packages-high-level-search-interface/ So knowing hard drives have SMART and there are self-test functions, I tried something like axi-cache search smart hardware::storage if my memory is correct. In the time I spent with axi-cache I did not find a way to get it to show diskscan without being specific that did not include a bunch of scanner and other things the have scan in the name/tag/description. https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=diskscan=names=stable=all Later, Seeker
Re: Uninstalling Gnome
On 11/29/2016 8:12 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: I wonder if it's possible to provide Debian a set A of packages and say: `please install these and only these and remove all the other packages present on the disk except the ones from which some of A depends.' This would be equivalent of reinstalling everything as reported by Patrick. Do you think it would be possible? Rodolfo That's a good way to get into trouble. ;) The list would typically be created on a computer that is set up the way you want already using dpkg --get-selections > package.txt You can set the install state of all non-essential packages to 'deinstall' with... dpkg --clear-selections That's the part that could be trouble if you don't have a good list of packages to feed back in. What is essential is not necessarily everything you need to be able to connect to the internet and begin re-installing things. If you have your list of packages you can set the install state with dpkg --set-selections < packages.txt Synaptic has a way of creating these lists and installing from them, don't think it cares about the install state of anything not on the list, also never tried using Synaptic to install from a list that had package install states other than 'install'. The list would be in the form of package package-state so for example package1 install package2 deinstall package3 hold etc Once the install states are set then you would do... apt-get dselect-upgrade to perform the installations and removals. What kind of havoc that would create for aptitude if you try to use it after doing these things, I don't know. I don't use aptitude. You could create the list of selections on your current machine and load it in a text editor and start deleting stuff, after saving an extra copy somewhere so you can set the selection back the way they were if needed. Personally I would use Synaptic to remove the stuff you don't want, then if you still want to use aptitude later, deal with it's issues after the fact. Later, Seeker
Re: Gparted will not label an existing FAT32 partition
On 11/11/2016 5:30 PM, Doug wrote: On 11/11/2016 01:07 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 11/11/2016 à 16:47, Richard Owlett a écrit : Partitions: #1 is ntfs 293 GiB [146 GiB used] labeled "FreeAgent GoFlex Drive" #2 is extended partition for remainder of drive #5 is fat32 62.5 GiB [31.5 GiB used] with no label (...) I attempted to label partition 5 with Gparted, but the "Label" menu option was greyed out. The "Label" option was available for partition 1. I had no problem creating partition 6 as fat32 and labeling it. Gparted needs external software to enable some features. According to <http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php>, mtools is required to change the label on a FAT filesystem. I wonder if there is a LIVE disk that includes the various external software files? It would be handy to have such a disk. If anyone knows of such, please advise. --doug I like SystemRescueCd for partitioning/troubleshooting. https://www.system-rescue-cd.org/SystemRescueCd_Homepage Later, Seeker
Re: Replaygain, alternatives to Easymp3gain-gtk/-qt.
On 10/13/2016 10:15 PM, Seeker wrote: To do this stuff I am normally browsing my music directories in PCManFM and using the open with feature to open the files in Picard, mediainfo or Ex Falso and it's just as easy to click the tools menu and open a terminal window, so the method I settled in on for dealing with the situation is Open a terminal window and use aacgain to undo, then get rid of the tags, then check the tags to make sure it only shows the file names. aacgain -u aacgain -s d aacgain -s c Then use the back button in PCManFM, right click the folder with the files and open with Ex Falso, remove the remaining replaygain tags, then have Ex Falso recalculate the gain and save. I have run across some m4a files that mediainfo shows having the undo tags for replaygain so have adjusted the command line stuff. aacgain -u *.m* aacgain -s d *.m* aacgain -s c *.m* exit so I can just hit the up arrow 4 times and hit 'Enter' for each of these, assuming I have not done anything else at the command line since the last time and 'aacgain -s c *.m*' gives the expected result. Later, Seeker
Re: Replaygain, alternatives to Easymp3gain-gtk/-qt.
On 10/4/2016 12:19 AM, Seeker wrote: It looks like Ex Falso is the way I'm going to go. The replaygain plugin in Ex Falso is disabled by default so you have to enable it first. Once enabled you can select some tracks in the song list, right click, then select replaygain to initiate the scan. Minor issues with Ex Falso. It seems to have it's own way of scanning, so even if you select some WMA files it can calculate a value, and it gives an option to save and acts like it was successful, but since there is no support for wma, when you close, then go back to those files again, no replaygain information. My music is on a different hard drive, in the past I had symlinks, but prefer not to do that these days. So in the filebrowser in Ex Falso it's a little clunky to browse to where my music is and didn't see a way to shorcut it in Ex Falso. Instead I open a filemanager, browse to my music directory, then use the 'open with' option to open a directory in Ex Falso. If you use the 'open with' function with a file just do one file, if you select multiple files and do 'open with', you get multiple Ex Falso windows. If you use Quod Libet as your music player, you can use the tagging feature from inside of Quod Libet and bypass some of those issues. Ex Falso does save mp3 tags in id3v2.4 format, don't know if that is an issue if you only use it for replaygain, but could be an issue if you use it for the other tagging features. Mainly Windows Media Player and Groove in Windows, or hardware music players, TVs, etc... I don't have any issues with it on my Android phone. The stereo doesn't know how to display cyrillic, kanji, etc... when I listen to music over bluetooth in the car, but that is the same whether the mp3s are tagged in id3v2.3 or id3v2.4. I use Vanilla Music on my phone, available from Google Play or F-Droid, whichever you prefer. Replaygain: The adventure game. Threw a few albums into a playlist, 754 tracks, some with replaygain tags some without. For age of recording, genre, style, etc... a good selection, but I don't have a list of what tracks in my collection are the more quiet tracks, so I don't think any tracks in the playlist are in that extreme quiet end of the spectrum. Out of the stuff in the playlist thought the Robert Johnson stuff might be in that extreme quiet side. It is on the low side compared to a lot of post 2k music. Judas Priest - Redeemer of Souls got an album gain value of -9.56dB, Robert Johnson - The Last of the Great Blues Singers got an album gain value of -0.78dB. A significant difference without replaygain, but not the extreme difference that annoys me. In Vanilla Music I set the 'replaygain pre-amp' setting to +3, -2 for the stuff without replaygain tags. For the tracks in the playlist, that works pretty well. I bit the bullet and added the replaygain tags to the rest of the stuff, except WMA files since there is no support there. A few things in the playlist are in WMA format, but most is in other formats so less of a test in the difference between replaygain tagged versus non-tagged after adding the replaygain to the remaining stuff. Also changed the replaygain pre-amp setting to zero because of concern about negative affect on the quiet stuff. Listening this way for a while, things still seem pretty good. I did find out I have more stuff in WMA format than I thought, but it will probably still take some months on random play to really get a feel for how that factors in over the long haul. Looking at Ex Falso in more depth, it does use gstreamer to do the replaygain stuff so if you use that there is no need to load anything from outside the Debian archives to handle mp3 and m4a files. Ex Falso sets replaygain peak tags and gain tags for track and album, the replaygain tool in Soundkonverter and easymp3gain-gtk also seem to do that when using easymp3gain or aacgain. Some of the other front ends and aacgain from the command line default to a different method, which modifies the volume a different way then has smaller values for the gain tag, with an undo tag. I have not noticed in my collection where this other tactic was used for an m4a file, so the volume adjustment with the undo tag may be only for mp3, or it may be that I didn't have many m4a files back in the 2007-2008 time frame when I messed with the replaygain stuff before. Now that I have the replaygain done for the files on the phone and I am getting into my re-tagging effort for the files on my computer I am seeing some of the mp3 files have this undo information when I load the files into Musicbrainz Picard, but Picard doesn't show the replaygain information for m4a files. I have also been checking one or two files in each album folder with mediainfo because it seems the undo stuff will sometimes show in both sometimes only in Picard and sometimes only in mediainfo. Might not be necessary to undo the change and recalculate the gain, but I want things to be consistent. The secondary reason
Re: replaygain, soundkonverter, aac/m4a glitch
On 10/3/2016 6:42 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote: On Sun, Oct 02, 2016 at 04:29:24PM -0700, Seeker wrote: Am I the only one on the list listening to music off of my phone over bluetooth in the car or having some other reason to want normalized music playback? :O :) No, but you are the only one top posting... (Sorry, couldn't resist it) I don't mind a little humor. :) I do what you said all the time, with several devices, including bluetooth headphones (which this list famously helped me get working) as well as using the phone as an audio source for the PC. I don't feel the need to futz around with the audio to do it. Mark It's less of an issue for me on the computer, but it would still be nice to have more normalized levels on the playback. Individual experience will differ, it depends on the range of stuff you have in your collection and listening habits, whole albums versus random play. The extremes in my collection between the quiet tracks and the loud tracks are too extreme. I don't want to reduce the level of the loud stuff excessively and I don't want to bring the level of the quiet stuff up so much the clipping becomes an issue. So even with normalization there will be quieter and louder stuff, but in theory the levels will be close enough. Some of the worst offenders were/are things that were recorded to the computer from cassette tapes, metal oxide versus normal tape, differing levels of tape degradation, lack of knowledge on my part on how to compensate for some of the issues to get the best end result, etc... Some of those have since been replaced by CD versions, others I continue to keep an eye out for as I shop for other things. Even without taking that into consideration there are some pretty big extremes. Age is probably the next biggest factor, 20s/30s, versus 40s/50s versus 60s/70s versus 80s/90s versus 2k+ Genre/style factors in as well. For the phone, if I am wearing earbuds and have turned up the the volume for something quiet, the loud stuff is too loud. When I am running, the bluetooth headset volume is limited to a lower level which takes care of the 'too loud' part, but the quiet stuff gets lost to road noise, depending on how close to a road I am and how much traffic there is. Over bluetooth in the car, my car is not the worst at blocking road noise, but not great either, so quiet stuff being lost to road noise versus loud stuff becoming an assault on the ears. The car is the most annoying case for me. As I get replaygain tags applied to more of my music, I am having more road trips where I never touch the volume after I have made the initial adjustment. Vanilla Music on the phone does have extra options on it's replaygain menu for setting a "replaygain pre-amp" value and to reduce the volume for tracks that do not have replaygain tags. Have to investigate those options further. Probably more useful for playlists than for listening to the entire music collection on random play, and random play of my entire collection is what I do +95% of the time. Later, Seeker
Re: Replaygain, alternatives to Easymp3gain-gtk/-qt.
On 9/18/2016 12:34 PM, Seeker wrote: Initially looked into the replaygain stuff in 2008. Don't remember what all was available at the time. Remember that I looked into Sounkoverter and easymp3gain-gtk. More recently have preferred easymp3gain-qt. I'm running unstable, investigating why esaymp3gain-gtk/-qt are showing up in the obsolete software list, it was removed by request. Aacgain handles MP3 files so that fact that easymp3gain was removed some time ago is a non-issue, dead upstream, no activity since 2013 on the other hand is a big issue. Short term I am content to keep the software installed and continue using it while I investigate alternatives, but there are always the questions of 'How long do I really want to keep dead software on my system' and 'How long will the software continue to work'. So I am wondering what other people are using and what do you like about it. One of the things I like about easymp3gain-qt is the always visible listing of individual tracks that have been added and what track and album gain has been applied to each track. Having that kind of file listing is a lesser issue, would like a drag and drop solution. I'm getting ready to look at qtgain. https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtgain/ The snapshot makes it look kind of minimalistic as far as information it displays. Current process when I get a new CD. RIP with Soundjuicer, drag and drop from a filemanager to easymp3-qt to add the replaygain tags, browse into the album directory if not already there, select the music files and use the file managers 'open with' function to open in Musicbrainz Picard to pull in more complete tag information and rename the files to '[track #] [track title]. Musicbrainz Picard does have a plug-in for replaygain, but I was not real happy with the way it works, seemed a little quirky but some of that may have been whatever updates were happening in unstable at the time when I looked at it. Later, Seeker The continuing story of radar lo...um... replaygain. I was going to compare things in my Ubuntu installation, but no aacgain for Ubuntu, looks like there was a PPA for precise, but nothing for more recent releases. Back to Debian. I have aacgain loaded from deb-multimedia.org. Need that for mp3 and m4a support. The tools that let you specify a path to mp3gain you can use '/usr/bin/aacgain' so aacgain will get used for mp3. No support anywhere for wma that I could find, don't know if that is because of a limitation in tagging or something else. Wasn't happy with qtgain. The plugin for Musicbrainz Picard doesn't have an option for aacgain, so no mp4, that may be a contributing factor as to why I thought it was a little quirky. The replaygain tool in Soundkonverter generally works pretty well, except for m4a at the time I am writing this, it just displays question marks in the track and album gain columns, so have to check in something else to make sure that tags were applied in the m4a files. After reviewing the wiki page again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReplayGain#Scanners Noticed Quod Libet/Ex Falso. Ex Falso is a tagger, Quod Libet is a music player that uses Ex Falso for it's tagging system. Available in Debian. It looks like Ex Falso is the way I'm going to go. The replaygain plugin in Ex Falso is disabled by default so you have to enable it first. Once enabled you can select some tracks in the song list, right click, then select replaygain to initiate the scan. Minor issues with Ex Falso. It seems to have it's own way of scanning, so even if you select some WMA files it can calculate a value, and it gives an option to save and acts like it was successful, but since there is no support for wma, when you close, then go back to those files again, no replaygain information. My music is on a different hard drive, in the past I had symlinks, but prefer not to do that these days. So in the filebrowser in Ex Falso it's a little clunky to browse to where my music is and didn't see a way to shorcut it in Ex Falso. Instead I open a filemanager, browse to my music directory, then use the 'open with' option to open a directory in Ex Falso. If you use the 'open with' function with a file just do one file, if you select multiple files and do 'open with', you get multiple Ex Falso windows. If you use Quod Libet as your music player, you can use the tagging feature from inside of Quod Libet and bypass some of those issues. Ex Falso does save mp3 tags in id3v2.4 format, don't know if that is an issue if you only use it for replaygain, but could be an issue if you use it for the other tagging features. Mainly Windows Media Player and Groove in Windows, or hardware music players, TVs, etc... I don't have any issues with it on my Android phone. The stereo doesn't know how to display cyrillic, kanji, etc... when I listen to music over bluetooth in the car, but that is the same whether the mp3s are tagged in id3v2.3 or id3v2.4. I use Vanilla Music on my phone, available from
Re: replaygain, soundkonverter, aac/m4a glitch
On 10/3/2016 2:39 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Sun, Oct 02, 2016 at 04:29:24PM -0700, Seeker wrote: Am I the only one on the list listening to music off of my phone over bluetooth in the car or having some other reason to want normalized music playback? :O :) I've never used replaygain but it's on my "look at" list. Your initial evaluation of what is available/works and what doesn't is really useful, thanks. If it turns out the best tools at the moment are not in Debian, then I would be interested in helping to make them so. I'll put some time aside to re-read your messages more thoroughly, but please if you do any further research do post it here. Thanks Considering how long the tools have been around and the amount of support there is in playback software for reading the replaygain information the options seem surprisingly limited on calculating the gain and adding the tags. I did find something else. Since this thread was intended to be more specifically about Soundkonverter I will post that as a reply to my other message. Replaygain, alternatives to Easymp3gain-gtk/-qt https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00751.html Later, Seeker
Re: replaygain, soundkonverter, aac/m4a glitch
Am I the only one on the list listening to music off of my phone over bluetooth in the car or having some other reason to want normalized music playback? :O :) On 10/2/2016 1:18 PM, Seeker wrote: Where the glitch comes in is with m4a files. The replay gain tool just shows question marks in the track and album gain fields. Tried checking the box to force recalculation then clicked the 'Tag Untagged' button, looked like it was behaving correctly and doing the calculation/recalculation, still shows question marks. Easymp3gain shows the gain has been set. Next found a different album of m4a files, loaded them in Easymp3gain to verify the tags were there, loaded them in the replaygain tool and again it just showed question marks. I did also post a message in the KDE forum asking if anybody else has seen this behavior https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=19=136507 As I write this there were 6 views, no replies. Same question here, anybody else seeing this behavior? More information. Found some m4a files that did not have replaygain tags. Clicking 'tag untagged' then checking at the command line aacgain -s c * showed no replaygain data returning to the replaygain tool, checking the box to for recalculation, then clicking 'tag untagged' aacgain -s c * shows replaygain data. Later, Seeker
replaygain, soundkonverter, aac/m4a glitch
The story so far. On Debian unstable. Easymp3gain was removed from Debian unstable. Settling in on alternatives before I remove it from my system. Not completely against using the different *gain tools from the command line, but would prefer GUI. Tried QTGain https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtgain/ Apparently from the change log it had more of an interface, but went back to minimal with the port to QT5. Initially had a not previously gained mp3 file to test. After letting QTGain do it's thing, something seemed a little odd when looking with easymp3gain, the replaygain tool in Soundkonverter, and Musicbrainz Picard to see what replaygain information they showed. After adding, removing, adding, removing with no issues, went back to QTGain a second time and after using QTGain the second time, Easymp3gain showed the volume at 89, instead of volume '92' and track tag '-3'. So QTGain is out. Generally speaking I'm leaning toward using the replaygain tool in Soundkonverter, looked good from my initial testing with mp3, ripped 3 CDs and used it for them so it looks good with vorbis audio. Where the glitch comes in is with m4a files. The replay gain tool just shows question marks in the track and album gain fields. Tried checking the box to force recalculation then clicked the 'Tag Untagged' button, looked like it was behaving correctly and doing the calculation/recalculation, still shows question marks. Easymp3gain shows the gain has been set. Next found a different album of m4a files, loaded them in Easymp3gain to verify the tags were there, loaded them in the replaygain tool and again it just showed question marks. I did also post a message in the KDE forum asking if anybody else has seen this behavior https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=19=136507 As I write this there were 6 views, no replies. Same question here, anybody else seeing this behavior? Later, Seeker
Re: Failed to execute child process (no such file or directory), but the script DOES exist in $HOME/bin, openbox users, especially take a look, please.
On 9/26/2016 2:44 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 10:19:27PM +0100, Brian wrote: But now we have > User configuration may be done in a few different ways. The simplest > way is to create a ~/.xsessionrc file,. The pedantic side of me asks - why is it the simplest way? And in what cirumstances? Because it's *additive*. It's just some stuff that happens in addition to the system launching your default WM/DE, and whatever else the system does by default (setting up an ssh-agent? I don't even know). You don't have to do all of those things yourself. Just counting lines of code in the most ridiculously oversimplified cse, it should be obvious that PATH=~/bin:$PATH is simpler than PATH=~/bin:$PATH exec x-session-manager Two is more than one. If you use a display manager and only one desktop, it's not really an issue. If you boot to the console and log in you can have .xsession.desktop1, .xsession.desktop2, .xsession.desktop3, etc... And do mv .xsession.desktopX .xsession before starting your xsession, so not much of an issue there either. > Finally, note that the ~/.xsession file is only read if you > are using a Debian X session. If you login with gdm3 and > choose a GNOME session, the ~/.xsession file will be ignored > completely. (But you may still use ~/.xsessionrc.) Not observed in testing. /etc/gdm3/Xsession also has a stanza beginning "SESSIONFILES=$(run_parts $(SYSSESSIONDIR)" which also appears to contradict this statement. SYSSESSIONDIR is /etc/X11/Xsession.d. If I've made factual errors, please correct them. I'm trying my best to piece together how gdm3 works based on the existing documentation (written by Overfiend over a decade ago), and other, older wiki pages which may themselves be incorrect, and my extremely limited past knowledge of gdm. Note that I do not *use* gdm3 myself, nor lightdm, nor xdm, or any other display manager, but I did briefly experiment with gdm many years back. I have a .xsession file, it's set up to start fluxbox on the exec line. The .xsession file only gets read when I have the default/debian xsession selected. Currently I'm using lightdm, before that kdm, before that gdm3, so it's been a while since I used gdm3. Occasionally I would switch to wdm if something weird was happening and wanted to see if it happened with a different display manager. It's possible that something changed with gdm3 after I stopped using it, or that it's been long enough I just don't remember, but I don't remember any of these in recent years using the .xsession file if you use a session other than the default session. I only verified use of .xsessionrc to set variables using lightdm as my display manager and lxqt as my X session. Putting a line in .xsessionrc to export a variable works. Later, Seeker
Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages
First off I have been playing around with 'compose > text' and 'send > text' options in Thunderbird so I apologize ahead of time if A: lines are excessively long and B: that is an issue for you in whatever you are using to read this. On 9/24/2016 8:33 AM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: What you're saying about the use of "apt-get upgrade", that's just what I was saying the other day about the difference in how "apt-get install" and "apt-get upgrade" reacts... Except that... In the case I was saying the other day, it wasn't like this. Libreoffice was installing fine via "apt-get install". There were no glitches, no potentially negative advisements, to be seen in the "install" action towards upgrade. BUT if I performed a wide open, generic "apt-get upgrade" (purely on a whim), many libreoffice packages (including libreoffice itself) were then held back. Just tested it again and am still receiving the following (regarding libreoffice only via "apt-get upgrade"): "The following packages have been kept back: libreoffice libreoffice-avmedia-backend-gstreamer libreoffice-base libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-base-drivers libreoffice-calc libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw libreoffice-impress libreoffice-math libreoffice-report-builder-bin libreoffice-sdbc-firebird libreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb libreoffice-writer" Per your suggestion, perl and perl-base are, YES, additionally now included in what's being reported as being held back for that same "apt-get upgrade" just now. :) Normal behavior for 'apt-get upgrade', will not install anything new in a literal, based on package name sort of way and also will not install anything that would cause a package to be removed. So if upgrading LibreOffice would pull in something you don't already have it will get held back. If there is a version as part of the package name so libsomething01 would have to be removed and libsomething02 would have to be install, then you have a removal of a package you have and install of something you don't so again it gets held back. I have not looked into what all differences there are between 'apt upgrade' versus 'apt-get upgrade', but one difference is that 'apt upgrade' will pull in new packages in order to upgrade something you already have. I don't normally upgrade from the command line, so have not used 'apt upgrade' enough to notice if it will do the upgrade in cases where libsomething01 has to be removed and libsomething02 has to be installed. Later, Seeker
Re: Resolved: Failed to execute child process (no such file or directory), but the script DOES exist in $HOME/bin, openbox users, especially take a look, please.
On 9/23/2016 10:28 AM, Brian wrote: On Fri 23 Sep 2016 at 10:07:43 -0700, Seeker wrote: On 9/22/2016 6:18 PM, Seeker wrote: In spite of the existence of 60xprofile and the fact that '~/.xprofile' did get sourced in the ast, I'm not finding any information on when you might expect xprofile/.xprofile to get sourced or not sourced. To the very best of my knowledge ~/.xprofile has never been a feature of Debian's X configuration files in /etc/X11. However, it is acted on by gdm3 in *its* Xsession script. What does dpkg -S /full/path/to/60xprofile give you? It tells me 'no path found matching pattern' Looks like a leftover from something possibly non-debian. Last modified date 2007 if you trust that to mean anything. Running cruft on the system now to see what it has to report. The list of unexaplained files is big, but outside of 60xprofile and stuff in '/usr/src' it mostly looks like autogenerated stuff. I still have a directory in /usr/src for the 2.4.23 kernel and google tells me that was released Nov 2003, so it's been sometime before that since I've done a clean install. Following unstable the whole time and making the transition from 32bit to 64bit the hard way somewhere along the way. I have had my binge and 'dpkg --purge --force-depends' moments along the way where I looked for and deleted related orphaned stuff before re-installing some or all of the purged packages, but it seems reasonable to expect I didn't get all the orphaned stuff along the way. So it looks like '~/.xsessionrc' is way to go. For what? In what circumstance? For me personally, I only ever remember using .profile/.xprofile to set environment variables (my memory is terrible). The path mainly, but other things come up once in a while. Seemed like it was short lived, but there was a variable that could be set to make 'Ctrl'+'Alt'+'Backspace' work in your X session. I had a locale issue at one point, so was setting the locale in .profile/.xprofile (whatever worked at the time) for a while, 'till I got that real issue sorted out. These are the things I would use '~/.xsessionrc' for. I guess the next question would be Can we expect this to continue working over the long haul with a Wayland session or will we have to start putting things into '~/.config/autostart/'? Pass. It has it's uses. If I want a program to run independently of what desktop session I am running, I create a .desktop file or grab an existing one and modify it, then put it in '~/.config/autostart/'. https://linuxcritic.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/anatomy-of-a-desktop-file/ I made a copy of '/etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio.desktop' in my '~/.config/autostart/' and changed 'Exec=start-pulseaudio-x11' to 'Exec=' so pulse doesn't start automatically but is still available. KDE did have it's own .desktop file for starting pulseaudio, but I don't currently see one in '/etc/xdg/autostart' there may or may not still be one in a KDE specific directory, I do have a pulseaudio-kde.desktop file in my autostart that also has the target of the 'Exec=' line removed. Later, Seeker
Re: Resolved: Failed to execute child process (no such file or directory), but the script DOES exist in $HOME/bin, openbox users, especially take a look, please.
On 9/22/2016 6:18 PM, Seeker wrote: On 9/22/2016 10:45 AM, Brian wrote: On Thu 22 Sep 2016 at 12:10:35 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 09:00:11AM -0700, Seeker wrote: A little late, but personally I would have tried using '~/.xprofile' first. I believe the information about this from the Arch Wiki applies equally to Debian. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xprofile wooledg@wooledg:~$ grep -r xprofile /etc/X11 wooledg@wooledg:~$ Good catch! You can have a ~/.xprofile but none of the files in /etc/X11 will look for it. startx uses only the files in /etc/X11; it will ignore whatever is in such a file. That does not mean nothing else will look for ~/.xprofile and source it if it exists. It's one of the wonders of Debian; just when you think you have a total grasp of the situation something extra comes to light. Time for some not very onerous detective work. (Clue: DM). Way back I used to use '~/.profile'. Somewhere along the way, maybe because I stopped using GDM, that quit working. The indication at that time was it was not a bug and the recommendation seemed to be to use '~/.xprofile'. I'm running unstable by the way. It's been a while since I needed to set variables during login. I do see a '/etc/X11/Xsession.d/60xprofile' file that looks like it should cause '/etc/xprofile' and '~/.xprofile' to get sourced, but that doesn't seem to be happening on my system. I'm using lightdm for my display manager, lxqt for my desktop, with openbox for the window manager most of the time. Will have to look at lxde and kde to see if it is a desktop thing or something else. Later, Seeker In spite of the existence of 60xprofile and the fact that '~/.xprofile' did get sourced in the ast, I'm not finding any information on when you might expect xprofile/.xprofile to get sourced or not sourced. So it looks like '~/.xsessionrc' is way to go. I guess the next question would be Can we expect this to continue working over the long haul with a Wayland session or will we have to start putting things into '~/.config/autostart/'? Later, Seeker
Re: Resolved: Failed to execute child process (no such file or directory), but the script DOES exist in $HOME/bin, openbox users, especially take a look, please.
On 9/22/2016 10:45 AM, Brian wrote: On Thu 22 Sep 2016 at 12:10:35 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 09:00:11AM -0700, Seeker wrote: A little late, but personally I would have tried using '~/.xprofile' first. I believe the information about this from the Arch Wiki applies equally to Debian. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xprofile wooledg@wooledg:~$ grep -r xprofile /etc/X11 wooledg@wooledg:~$ Good catch! You can have a ~/.xprofile but none of the files in /etc/X11 will look for it. startx uses only the files in /etc/X11; it will ignore whatever is in such a file. That does not mean nothing else will look for ~/.xprofile and source it if it exists. It's one of the wonders of Debian; just when you think you have a total grasp of the situation something extra comes to light. Time for some not very onerous detective work. (Clue: DM). Way back I used to use '~/.profile'. Somewhere along the way, maybe because I stopped using GDM, that quit working. The indication at that time was it was not a bug and the recommendation seemed to be to use '~/.xprofile'. I'm running unstable by the way. It's been a while since I needed to set variables during login. I do see a '/etc/X11/Xsession.d/60xprofile' file that looks like it should cause '/etc/xprofile' and '~/.xprofile' to get sourced, but that doesn't seem to be happening on my system. I'm using lightdm for my display manager, lxqt for my desktop, with openbox for the window manager most of the time. Will have to look at lxde and kde to see if it is a desktop thing or something else. Later, Seeker
Re: Failed to execute child process (no such file or directory), but the script DOES exist in $HOME/bin, openbox users, especially take a look, please.
On 9/21/2016 12:07 PM, Anthony Baldwin wrote: On 09/21/2016 11:05 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 10:49:13AM -0400, Tony Baldwin wrote: it seems that I am using lightdm. I know of absolutely no documentation for configuring lightdm as a user. I suspect that the software *has* no user configuration at all, because every search I've ever done has come up with nothing. (For example, https://wiki.debian.org/LightDM has zero instances of "home" or "~" or "dot".) Oddly this page states, with it's bare face hanging out: [lightdm] was built as a relatively light-weight and *highly customizable* alternative to GDM. Highly customizable is not the same as highly configurable. 3 greeters that customize the lightdm login screen lightdm-gtk-greeter, lightdm-kde-greeter, razorqt-lightdm-greeter. https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=lightdm+greeter=names=stable=all Later Seeker
Re: Resolved: Failed to execute child process (no such file or directory), but the script DOES exist in $HOME/bin, openbox users, especially take a look, please.
On 9/22/2016 8:25 AM, Tony Baldwin wrote: On 09/22/2016 10:15 AM, Tixy wrote: On Thu, 2016-09-22 at 09:11 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:19:11PM -0500, David Wright wrote: But I don't understand the concept of "user configuration" for a DM. Wouldn't that be like a user configuring /etc/issue, the login prompt or /etc/motd ? By user configuration, I mean "which files can the user edit, without superuser privileges, to alter the behavior of the program". Are you perhaps talking about which file, like .xsession, .xsessionrc, .Xsession, .xinitrc, etc gets executed when you login through the DM? Yes, precisely this question. What can an end user, who uses one of the various display managers and desktop environments in Debian, do to configure their own environment? I edit ~/.xsessionrc to have a single line: . /home/tixy/.profile Which makes X sessions include the same profile as standard login shells. And my .profile has (or I added?) # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH" fi Thank you, Tixy, This worked perfectly. I created the .xsessionrc file (didn't previously have one), and found that my .proile already had the needed part in it (possibly because I'd already added the same to my .bashrc ?) Logged out and back in, and now my keybinding are working to fire off my scripts. such as this one, which I fire off qwith the print screen key: A little late, but personally I would have tried using '~/.xprofile' first. I believe the information about this from the Arch Wiki applies equally to Debian. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xprofile Later, Seeker
Re: page RELOAD by Firefox
On 9/18/2016 9:11 PM, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: On Sun, September 18, 2016 7:10 pm, Seeker wrote: Is this web page on the PWS or out on the internet? Is the PWS using the same data connection you are using to access the web page? Is there advertising on this page? If you do not leave the page open in a tab, does your data allocation still get rapidly depleted? Maybe with more information someone will have an alternative suggestion. The page is associated with the weather underground: https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KTXSMITH14 Looks like some kind of widget/script things to me that keep things up to date, without requiring a refresh of the page. Thought I saw something about 10 minutes when I loaded the page earlier in the morning, but going back later, current status is updated multiple times per minute, the radar map less often, but not too many minutes in between. The advertising cycles as well, so the amount of weather data versus ad data is a question. Privacy badger is not an ad blocker, but for this site, blocking the potential trackers blocks the ads. With noscript installed/enabled looks like the only thing that loads is the current conditions and reload/refresh is required to see updated information. Later, Seeker
Re: page RELOAD by Firefox
On 9/18/2016 3:21 PM, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: My limited G4 data allocation is being depleted much too rapidly for my budget. I suspect that the culprit is the web page of a personal weather station (PWS) in which page measurements are updated every ten minutes. I keep a Firefox window open to monitor the web page. Is this web page on the PWS or out on the internet? Is the PWS using the same data connection you are using to access the web page? Is there advertising on this page? If you do not leave the page open in a tab, does your data allocation still get rapidly depleted? Maybe with more information someone will have an alternative suggestion. I do not understand the mechanism, but every time I click on the window or tab in which the PWS web page is displayed, I see the latest data, without clicking the Firefox RELOAD button. Thus, it appears to me that the PWS web page somehow is notifying Firefox every time the web page is updated, and that Firefox is automatically loading the update. Is there a way to keep Firefox from automatically reloading this particular web page? Or am I misunderstanding what is happening here? RLH Another response already mentioned there are some add-ons related to refresh. For a limited data connection you might also want to go through the list of plugins and change the settings for some of them to 'Ask to activate'. If you have not already looked into them, maybe look into privacy badger, noscript, and some some kind of ad blocker. Later, Seeker
Replaygain, alternatives to Easymp3gain-gtk/-qt.
Initially looked into the replaygain stuff in 2008. Don't remember what all was available at the time. Remember that I looked into Sounkoverter and easymp3gain-gtk. More recently have preferred easymp3gain-qt. I'm running unstable, investigating why esaymp3gain-gtk/-qt are showing up in the obsolete software list, it was removed by request. Aacgain handles MP3 files so that fact that easymp3gain was removed some time ago is a non-issue, dead upstream, no activity since 2013 on the other hand is a big issue. Short term I am content to keep the software installed and continue using it while I investigate alternatives, but there are always the questions of 'How long do I really want to keep dead software on my system' and 'How long will the software continue to work'. So I am wondering what other people are using and what do you like about it. One of the things I like about easymp3gain-qt is the always visible listing of individual tracks that have been added and what track and album gain has been applied to each track. Having that kind of file listing is a lesser issue, would like a drag and drop solution. I'm getting ready to look at qtgain. https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtgain/ The snapshot makes it look kind of minimalistic as far as information it displays. Current process when I get a new CD. RIP with Soundjuicer, drag and drop from a filemanager to easymp3-qt to add the replaygain tags, browse into the album directory if not already there, select the music files and use the file managers 'open with' function to open in Musicbrainz Picard to pull in more complete tag information and rename the files to '[track #] [track title]. Musicbrainz Picard does have a plug-in for replaygain, but I was not real happy with the way it works, seemed a little quirky but some of that may have been whatever updates were happening in unstable at the time when I looked at it. Later, Seeker
Re: debian version ID
On 8/9/2016 4:49 PM, David Wright wrote: On Tue 09 Aug 2016 at 13:27:34 (-0700), Seeker wrote: On 8/9/2016 4:34 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 09/08/2016 à 10:44, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard a écrit : Andrew M.A. Cater: /etc/os-release just contains major version You are going to have to explain that to its manual page, which gives VERSION_ID=11.04 as an example of what can be in the file. This is obviously not a Debian version. Rather looks like Ubuntu. You're going to have to explain it to the Ubuntu people, as well; because they follow what the manual says. Ubuntu 11.04 is a version based on year+month of release rather than a major+minor version. Ubuntu 11.04 is as different from 11.10 as 11.10 is different from 12.04. That was my first thought too, but looking up base-files for one of the LTS releases on packages.ubuntu.com and reading the change log, looks like to do update the os-release with xx.xx.1, xx.xx.2, etc... Where was that, then? (To save us all having to search for it.) When you say "update the os-release with xx.xx.1", do you mean the VERSION_ID line? This line is optional anyway, is it not? Cheers, David. http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/b/base-files/base-files_7.2ubuntu5.5/changelog "base-files (7.2ubuntu5.5) trusty; urgency=medium * /etc/issue, /etc/issue.net, /etc/lsb-release, /etc/os-release: Bump version number to 14.04.5 in preparation for the point release. -- Adam Conrad <adcon...@ubuntu.com> Mon, 01 Aug 2016 07:48:43 -0600" Later, Seeker --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: debian version ID
On 8/9/2016 4:34 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 09/08/2016 à 10:44, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard a écrit : Andrew M.A. Cater: /etc/os-release just contains major version You are going to have to explain that to its manual page, which gives VERSION_ID=11.04 as an example of what can be in the file. This is obviously not a Debian version. Rather looks like Ubuntu. You're going to have to explain it to the Ubuntu people, as well; because they follow what the manual says. Ubuntu 11.04 is a version based on year+month of release rather than a major+minor version. Ubuntu 11.04 is as different from 11.10 as 11.10 is different from 12.04. That was my first thought too, but looking up base-files for one of the LTS releases on packages.ubuntu.com and reading the change log, looks like to do update the os-release with xx.xx.1, xx.xx.2, etc... Later, Seeker --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: debian version ID
On 8/1/2016 1:53 AM, Felix Miata wrote: Ben Finney composed on 2016-08-01 03:20 (UTC-0400): Felix Miata wrote: Will someone please explain (or point to, since it's not in release notes), why: 1: /etc/os-release (in Jessie at least) does not include the point release version as represented by /etc/debian_version The proximate explanation is: Because the API for that file is different. It describes the stable release for its whole lifetime, not the updates made since that version of Debian was released. Given the many possible options[1] for that file's content, one would think there would be a way to get the extra detail in, maybe VERSION_ID=8 and VERSION="8.5 (Jessie)", or move "Jessie" to VERSION_CODENAME and put 8.5 as VERSION. Think of it like this. The last "version" of Debian released is 8. The x.4, x.5, etc.. have no meaning on the running system, either you have kept up with the updates and your system is secure, or you have not kept up with the updates and your system is potentially vulnerable. The installation media is 8.5 because it includes packages that have been updated since the initial release and you need a way to differentiate earlier and later versions of the installation media. There may be more to x.x the Debian developer side of things, but for us end users that all we really need to know. It tells you right in the announcement https://www.debian.org/News/2016/20160604 "*Please note that this update does not constitute a new version of Debian 8 *but only updates some of the packages included. *There is no need to throw away old**"jessie" CDs or DVDs but only to update via an up-to-date Debian mirror after an installation*, to cause any out of date packages to be updated." Later, Seeker --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: WebRTC with Firefox in Debian Jessie
On 5/24/2016 6:11 AM, Markos wrote: Hi, I just found the WebRTC (https://webrtc.org/) project but I still don't understand if I already can use it as an alternative to Skype. How do I use it with Firefox in Debian Jessie? Any tip? Thanks, Markos http://www.techradar.com/us/how-to/computing/how-to-use-firefox-hello-1312747?src=rss=all http://superuser.com/questions/970001/is-it-possible-to-use-firefox-hello-in-debian-iceweasel
Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?
On 5/23/2016 12:50 PM, Nicolas George wrote: Le quintidi 5 prairial, an CCXXIV, Lisi Reisz a écrit : American? There are two continents. Do you mean the U.S.A? - the land of the rooster and other euphemistic terms? What becomes of Canada and Mexico in that scenario?? A friend of mine suggested "United States of Puritania" for the demonymless country between Canada and Mexico. Maybe I'm just not creative enough. If it was not a commonly accepted reference to the United States of America, there would be no "America". You would have 'American continents' plural. You would have 'The Americas' plural. I can't think of a usage that makes sense to collectively refer to people from two separate continents and a region of land that connects them as 'American'. What am I missing?! ;) Later, Seeker
Re: User's bin path not recognised in login script
On 3/22/2016 1:11 PM, Michael Fothergill wrote: On 22 March 2016 at 19:59, Dan Ritter <d...@randomstring.org <mailto:d...@randomstring.org>> wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 05:13:43PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: > On 22 March 2016 at 16:24, Andrew McGlashan < > andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au <mailto:andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au>> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On 23/03/2016 12:18 AM, Michael Fothergill wrote: > > > I own a Samsung BD-C5900 Blu ray/DVD player. > > There's a reasonable chance that if you attack it with a screwdriver, you will discover that there is a modern SATA bluray/DVD drive in there, and you can rip it out and put it in your computer. -dsr- Would that drive be one that only read bluray and DVD disks or could it be modified to burn them as well? If the player did not have functions built in for recording the drive is probably just a reader, no write capability. It my reach a point where it makes more economic sense for the manufacturers to only create RW drives than it does for them to have 2 production lines, but don't know if we are there yet, much less if we were there when your player was manufactured. Also I expect it's more likely that the player would have a laptop style drive in it which would require an adapter to handle the different size of SATA data/power connectors if you are looking to use it in a desktop system. If the system you are looking to use it in is a laptop, then newer laptops that still include an optical drive have gone to thinner drives. Outside of that it's a question of how things line up. The piece that secures the drive to the laptop could probably be swapped with the piece off of the old drive if necessary or left off if the drive fits tight enough if really necessary. The face plate is less likely the match up between the two drives, especially between a DVD drive and a Blue Ray drive. Later, Seeker
Re: User's bin path not recognised in login script
On 3/22/2016 11:20 AM, Russell Gadd wrote: Thanks for the export point which I have now used. However it doesn't solve the problem. I experimented by adding the following line into ~/.bash_profile, ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc: echo "This is " &>>/tmp/out.txt Neither of the profile files triggered the output, nor did .bashrc until I manually opened a Mate terminal from the desktop. So it appears that the profile files do not get invoked at any time. I've even tried changing the PATH which is set at the top of /etc/profile, but this doesn't work either, so it looks like profile files are ignored altogether. I did a search using terms that seemed like likely suspects if I expected the login shell stuff to get sourced when a display manager is handling the login instead of the shell. The first page of results I got where some combination of old, incomplete, and/or GDM specific. Even in the GDM case, I'm not sure if the documentation is correct for current versions of GDM since I have not used GDM for a long time. Sourcing '~/.profile' when the shell is not your login was more of a Redhat thing that other distributions may or may not do. I did see some bug reports which would probably have some relevant information in the responses. Create '~/.xprofile' and put your export commands and extra non-desktop specific stuff you always want to run there. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xprofile Later, Seeker
Re: can you boot a dvd iso file from a tv dvd player?
On 3/22/2016 1:11 PM, Michael Fothergill wrote: On 22 March 2016 at 19:59, Dan Ritter <d...@randomstring.org <mailto:d...@randomstring.org>> wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 05:13:43PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: > On 22 March 2016 at 16:24, Andrew McGlashan < > andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au <mailto:andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au>> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On 23/03/2016 12:18 AM, Michael Fothergill wrote: > > > I own a Samsung BD-C5900 Blu ray/DVD player. > > There's a reasonable chance that if you attack it with a screwdriver, you will discover that there is a modern SATA bluray/DVD drive in there, and you can rip it out and put it in your computer. -dsr- Would that drive be one that only read bluray and DVD disks or could it be modified to burn them as well? If the player did not have functions built in for recording the drive is probably just a reader, no write capability. It my reach a point where it makes more economic sense for the manufacturers to only create RW drives than it does for them to have 2 production lines, but don't know if we are there yet, much less if we were there when your player was manufactured. Also I expect it's more likely that the player would have a laptop style drive in it which would require an adapter to handle the different size of SATA data/power connectors if you are looking to use it in a desktop system. If the system you are looking to use it in is a laptop, then newer laptops that still include an optical drive have gone to thinner drives. Outside of that it's a question of how things line up. The piece that secures the drive to the laptop could probably be swapped with the piece off of the old drive if necessary or left off if the drive fits tight enough if really necessary. The face plate is less likely the match up between the two drives, especially between a DVD drive and a Blue Ray drive. Later, Seeker
Re: can you boot a dvd iso file from a tv dvd player?
On 3/22/2016 1:11 PM, Michael Fothergill wrote: On 22 March 2016 at 19:59, Dan Ritter <d...@randomstring.org <mailto:d...@randomstring.org>> wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 05:13:43PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: > On 22 March 2016 at 16:24, Andrew McGlashan < > andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au <mailto:andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au>> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On 23/03/2016 12:18 AM, Michael Fothergill wrote: > > > I own a Samsung BD-C5900 Blu ray/DVD player. > > There's a reasonable chance that if you attack it with a screwdriver, you will discover that there is a modern SATA bluray/DVD drive in there, and you can rip it out and put it in your computer. -dsr- Would that drive be one that only read bluray and DVD disks or could it be modified to burn them as well? If the player did not have functions built in for recording the drive is probably just a reader, no write capability. It my reach a point where it makes more economic sense for the manufacturers to only create RW drives than it does for them to have 2 production lines, but don't know if we are there yet, much less if we were there when your player was manufactured. Also I expect it's more likely that the player would have a laptop style drive in it which would require an adapter to handle the different size of SATA data/power connectors if you are looking to use it in a desktop system. If the system you are looking to use it in is a laptop, then newer laptops that still include an optical drive have gone to thinner drives. Outside of that it's a question of how things line up. The piece that secures the drive to the laptop could probably be swapped with the piece off of the old drive if necessary or left off if the drive fits tight enough if really necessary. The face plate is less likely the match up between the two drives, especially between a DVD drive and a Blue Ray drive. Later, Seeker
Re: User's bin path not recognised in login script
On 3/22/2016 11:20 AM, Russell Gadd wrote: Thanks for the export point which I have now used. However it doesn't solve the problem. I experimented by adding the following line into ~/.bash_profile, ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc: echo "This is " &>>/tmp/out.txt Neither of the profile files triggered the output, nor did .bashrc until I manually opened a Mate terminal from the desktop. So it appears that the profile files do not get invoked at any time. I've even tried changing the PATH which is set at the top of /etc/profile, but this doesn't work either, so it looks like profile files are ignored altogether. I did a search using terms that seemed like likely suspects if I expected the login shell stuff to get sourced when a display manager is handling the login instead of the shell. The first page of results I got where some combination of old, incomplete, and/or GDM specific. Even in the GDM case, I'm not sure if the documentation is correct for current versions of GDM since I have not used GDM for a long time. Sourcing '~/.profile' when the shell is not your login was more of a Redhat thing that other distributions may or may not do. I did see some bug reports which would probably have some relevant information in the responses. Create '~/.xprofile' and put your export commands and extra non-desktop specific stuff you always want to run there. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xprofile Later, Seeker
Re: Debian and Firefox/Iceweasel
On 2/25/2016 12:39 PM, H Kyu wrote: Hello - Recently, Mozilla's Firefox browser introduced a few new features that got me to remove Firefox on my Windows PC altogether. The features were Hello, Camera Access (Android), and screen-sharing. Every single one of those features did not sit well with me from a security perspective. On top of that, Firefox seems to be splitting away from the Gecko engine, the Gecko engine was the main reason for my using Firefox in the first place - because I disliked the functional model of WebKits. If I wanted a WebKit, I'd have used Chrome. Then there is the interface - I prefer the Firefox 1 interface... in fact, I prefer the Netscape Navigator 4's interface even better - practical and informational. I like my status bar, and all my buttons showing all the time, even if disabled. I like status indicators, which includes grayed-out buttons. I also prefer the old settings screen where the browser remembers the last settings tab, and I can see all the settings without scrolling. I am still amazed at the fact that Firefox would just abandon their core fans and move away to cater to others. Debian's Gnome uses Iceweasel much like Windows uses IE. MY QUESTION: Would Iceweasel also be incorporating those bothersome features in the near future? If so, would it be possible to use Debian without Iceweasel or any Mozilla product? The camera access is needed for video calling, the screen sharing is a sub-feature of the video calling. In newer android you may be able to deny Firefox permission to use the camera, won't stop it from wanting it enable during installation. One would hope it doesn't actually get permission right off the bat and that you would be asked to give permission the first time a feature is used that needs it, but that is another question. People have already answered the question about browsers in Debian and not being forced to use Firefox. Over the long haul I suspect it will become more difficult to find a browser that does not implement some kind of support for webrtc. After a few minutes of Googling... /"//Concerns/// /In January 2015, //TorrentFreak <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TorrentFreak>//reported that browsers supporting WebRTC suffer from a serious security flaw that compromises the security of //VPN-tunnels <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_network>//, by allowing the true //IP address <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address>//of the user to be read.//^<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC#cite_note-26> //The IP address read requests are not visible in the browser's developer console, and they are not blocked by common //ad blocking <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_filtering>///privacy plugins (enabling online tracking by advertisers and other entities despite precautions).//^<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC#cite_note-27> / // /WebRTC can be enabled or disabled in //Microsoft Edge <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Edge>//by going to //|about:flags|//and toggling it on/off. In Firefox by toggling the value of "media.peerconnection.enabled" in //|about:config <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/About:config>|//, and WebRTC settings can be changed in //|about:webrtc|//. WebRTC cannot be disabled in the desktop version of Google Chrome, although there is a plug-in available for blocking it^" //^<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC#cite_note-28> / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC /"//WebRTC is a set of browser APIs and protocols being worked on by the //W3C <http://www.w3.org/2011/04/webrtc/>//and //IETF <https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/rtcweb/>//standardization bodies. With WebRTC, developers can quickly add real-time peer-2-peer audio, video and data capabilities to their web applications through a set of standardised JavaScript APIs. / /WebKit today lacks support for this exciting new standard. Our intention is to add WebRTC support to WebKit, starting with the WebKit GTK+ port (Linux), by means of the //OpenWebRTC <http://www.openwebrtc.org>//implementation. Much of the WebRTC support will be implemented in the core of WebKit and therefore shared among all WebKit ports. This will also enable integration of other WebRTC backends such as //webrtc.org <http://webrtc.org>//." / http://www.webrtcinwebkit.org// / Later, Seeker / /
Re: Warning Linux Mint Website Hacked and ISOs replaced with Backdoored Operating System
On 2/23/2016 3:08 AM, Nicolas George wrote: Le quintidi 5 ventôse, an CCXXIV, Thomas Schmitt a écrit : The ISO checksums are provided more for transport verification than for the fight against intentional mainpulation. If that were true, CRC32 would be enough. Is that a 'Law of averages' thing? I'll leave the security stuff to others. If you take security out of the equation, simple true or false. 1. A corrupted download is better able to be detected when using MD5 than it is with CRC32. 2. A corrupted download is better able to be detected when using SHA than it is with MD5. I don't typically have an issue with corrupt downloads, but still there are those days where something is a bit flaky somewhere in the chain and downloads show intermittent periods of inactivity, sometimes failing and having to be resumed or restarted, sometimes multiple times to get a completed download. Murphy's law 'Anything that can happen will happen', it's possible for a download with random corruption to pass verification, it will happen eventually. The higher the risk of corruption, the higher the odds are, however small those odds might be, that you get a corrupted download that passes verification. If I have extra reason to suspect corruption might occur I definitely want to use the most capable option for detecting that. Just because that is not generally that case doesn't mean I generally want to settle for a less capable option. Later, Seeker
Re: group membership activation
On 2/18/2016 8:10 AM, Bonno Bloksma wrote: Hi, Running a fresh Jessie install on a laptop with GNOME. Today I had to add a user (me) to a group (wireshark) for a program (wireshark gui) to work. At first I thought I did something wrong but after a reboot it did work, wireshark was able to see the interfaces. So probably group membership is not determined at runtime but maybe at login or some other moment. Where can I find more info about this? Is this a problem specific to a desktop environment of can I run into this with a straight CLI setup as well? I know that in a Windows environment the group membership is added to the user token at login. Changes in group membership have no effect untill the user logs in again. Bonno Bloksma If you know enough to know that about Windows, I don't know why you would assume there was a problem or that you did something wrong in Linux. It's not a problem, it's by design. Mysteriously the first things that come up for me on google don't mention it https://www.pluralsight.com/blog/tutorials/linux-add-user-command http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/debian/book/ch07_01.html Probably easily overlooked, but the relevant Archwiki page does mention that if the user is logged in at the time the change is made, they will need to log out and log in before they see the change. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/users_and_groups Later, Seeker
Re: Problem with look and feel after installing LXDE
On 10/12/2015 11:42 AM, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: Hello. I installed LXDE in Debian 8 in a virtual machine from a text-only environment using "aptitude -R". I had to install a display manager separately to have a working graphic environment; I installed "lightdm" with aptitude (without "-R"). I found that some programs, such as the one responsible for the shutdown menu and Qt programs (like KAlarm) have a very plain look and feel (like that of Windows 95) which is inconsistent with the rest of the system (that has a more polished look and feel). I'd like to make these programs have the same look and feel as the rest of the system. As a test, I installed "lxde" in a different virtual machine *without* the "-R" option. The shutdown menu has the right look and feel, consistent with the rest of the system. Therefore, I think that the "-R" option is making the installation lack the package responsible for this look and feel, so the question is: what is that package?, or otherwise, how can I make the programs that have the plain look and feel look the same as the rest of the system (like Iceweasel). Thanks in advance. Looks like qt4-config is what you need to set the look and feel of QT programs, you may need additional kde/plasma theme stuff for KDE applications. If your application preferences lean more toward the K stuff than the G stuff you might also try the RazorQT desktop. It's a bit like LXDE, but with QT instead of GTK. https://packages.debian.org/jessie/razorqt Not being an aptitude user, I'm assuming the '-R' option tells aptitude not to treat the recommends as dependencies. Synaptic has a place where you can view missing recommends and I think it probably uses aptitude to find out what those are, so maybe some one more familiar with aptitude knows the magic search query and will chime in. Later, Seeker
Re: a little jessie whinage
On 10/12/2015 12:31 AM, Glenn English wrote: On Oct 11, 2015, at 10:45 PM, David Wright <deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote: I thought the OP was about a laptop. It was. I put Jessie on my laptop to see what it was like. It's running Wheezy now. And all my troubles with Jessie are gone. How do you set a static address for nameservers? On Wheezy, and everything back to Sarge, you put them in /etc/resolv.conf, delete/disable resovlconf (if any), and quit worrying about ham-fisted software scribbling all over your config file. On my laptop, there's a static nameserver address used by eth0. wlan0 uses that too, when it can. But, IIRC, it's smart enough to go looking around if the local network is gone. If you set up your network interface in '/etc/network/interfaces' resolvconf should pick up the nameserver settings from the 'dns-nameservers' line of the config and you can stop worrying about ham-fisted software scribbling over your settings. That *is* the reason resolvconf was created. :-) By default network manager should see that an interface is set up in the interfaces file and not mess with it. There is an option to override that behavior. Have not tried setting an interface for DHCP with static DNS using a 'dns-nameservers' line in case you want to use Google DNS server, OpenDNS, or some other public DNS server when you are on the road. But you can use dhclient for that if you need to, have not personally tried that either. Later, Seeker
Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues
On 10/12/2015 8:20 AM, Peter Berlau wrote: Hi Sven, You are right, normally I prefer fair companies. That is the "main-thing" I leave apple-computers and go back to Debian. I switched in 2009 to apple, because I needed some music software and some easy to handle Web-Design-Tool. Now, after I installed Debian for my women and looked what happened new in Debian I found, all software I needed except "band-in-abox" is available under Debian. That was, for me, so great i update all my computers to Debian. powerbook ( 2004 ) make some minor problems, all other ( iMac 2010 and Intel-PC ) works fine "out of the box"... Is Samsung good for Debian ( jessie, stable ) ? After the issue I just ran into, I have a hard time recommending Samsung laptops to any one. Apparently there are several models of Samsung laptops where hitting 'F2' to get into the bios, then turning off UEFI leads to a situation where you can't get back into the BIOS again. =-O The support page for the model I was working on did not have an update for the BIOS. Installing Windows 8 on a different hard drive and looking for the option there to get into the bios didn't work either since UEFI was turned off. Some models have a software updater that will get bios updates, but not for the model I was working on. Eventually found my way to this thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/samsung-laptops-roll-back-bios-updates.696197/ A couple times through the instructions to see how the earlier link works that gives you the name you need to substitute in the later link that actually downloads the BIOS update. Then was able to flash the bios and get back into [t to turn UEFI back on. What a PITA. :-( Would also avoid the models of Toshiba laptops that are designed in a way that the keyboard can not be easily replaced without replacing the whole palm rest. http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/161849099488?ul_noapp=true=ps=82 Personally I like Lenovo, lean a little toward the Thinkpads over the other models. Later, Seeker
Re: Machine freezes after kernel update
On 10/9/2015 9:09 AM, Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 23:09:36 +0200 Miroslav Skoric <sko...@eunet.rs> wrote: Hello Miroslav, In fact, (and in my case) LILO does delete old kernels during the If that's true, that's a *serious* bug. LILO (or Grub, come to that) should never delete kernels. I know Grub doesn't but, as I said before, I've not used LILO for some years. Even so, I'd be surprised if it could actually _delete_ kernels like that. Keeping an old, known to work kernel is the sensible thing to do. I have not used LILO for a long time, but it sounds like it works the same as it did way back when. LILO configured to point at symbolic links instead of directly at the kernel. 2 symlinks for current kernel 'vmlinuz' and 'initrd' and similar for the previous kernel. This way instead of mucking about with reconfiguring and re-writing stuff in MBR the symbolic links just need to be updated each time. If a newly installed kernel doesn't work, you should be able to boot the previous kernel. If you then uninstall the package for the kernel that had problems, you may have to check the symlinks to make sure they point to valid stuff and didn't get left dangling. Later, Seeker
Re: Advertising and commercial services in free software
On 10/5/2015 11:58 AM, Timothy Hobbs wrote: Dear list, I have used Debian for many years now, and I have come to trust it as a source of software that is safe. That is, the software that I install with apt-get is not spy-ware, nor ad-ware, nor malicious in any other way. I also have had the overwhelming feeling that the software is "on my side", not trying to haggle me me into upgrading to something more expensive or to subscribe to some paid service. Lately, I feel that this trust has been violated. Most notably, by the addition of advertisements to iceweasel's new tab page. http://timothy.hobbs.cz/iceweasel-ads.png See the "Booking.com" sponsored link. I've been seeing stuff about advertising making it's way into Firefox fore a while now, but never noticed where it was actually being slipped in. The Mozilla Foundation is non-profit and seeing where and how the advertising shows up it seems pretty reasonable, if it gets the foundation a little more coin I'm OK with it. I would like to see an in-depth discussion of where Debian draws the line when it comes to interaction of packaged software with commercial services. Iceweasel has, for years now, used google.com as the default search engine. I doubt few would disagree with that choice, despite the fact that Mozilla gets paid by Google to make it that way. Yahoo is the default search now, similar kind of deal as was previously the case with Google. That doesn't necessarily mean they don't have some kind of deal with Google anymore. In the past it seemed like the referral money was handled by having Google search as part of the default home page. Now you can change the preferred search engine and the default home page will use that engine when you type a query in the search box, so at least in theory they could get referral money from more than one search provider depending on what the user chooses to use. Of course in making the modifications from Firefox to Iceweasel The Debian developers can choose to provide different defaults if they want. Another interesting example is that of the open source Atom text editor: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=747824 Atom is, as far as I can tell, mostly a front end to github's closed source services. Should the DFSG allow open source software that is merely a thin front end to something closed source? The software description in the link you posted says Ant is a 'hackable text editor', doesn't say anything about github? Another example is docker.io, which is almost inseparably integrated with Docker Inc's comercial Docker hub. I am *very* interested in your opinions on, what is for me, a rather distressing and unclear issue. I see 'dfsg' in the package name for docker.io so that part at least is open source. Docker Hub is a service. If people find it useful they will use it, if they don't they won't use it. If the part that goes in the Debian repositories is open source, there is one or more developers willing to package it, and users who want to use it, providing it in the Debian repositories should be a non-issue. That's not to say there isn't a line somewhere that shouldn't be crossed, but I would see these lines as being more in the area of software that uses a service or services in a way that is legally questionable. Popcorn Time would be an example of that, some of the unofficial plugins for Kodi would be another example, just using those as examples because they are low hanging fruit. Later, Seeker
Re: Sound card question
On 9/30/2015 10:39 AM, Doug wrote: On 09/30/2015 09:55 AM, Danny wrote: Hi guys, I have a Sigmatel STAC9227 on-board sound card. Everything works fine as it should. It has the normal Mic , Ext.Speaker and Line-Out jacks. Currently the Mic and Ext.Speaker plugs are permanently occupied via speaker/mic headphones (Amateur Radio Stuff) ... What I would like to know is if it would be possible to send audio that goes to the headphones to the Line-Out jack at the same time? Thank You Danny Why not just get a Y adapter? --dm Ditto on the Y adapter, or some other external solution. Normal 3 jack hardware would be Pink (Microphone), Green (Audio Out), Blue (Line In). Some hardware implementations do allow some jack functions to be changed, but that may or may not be the case for your specific hardware and if the hardware is capable may or may not be a feature that is implemented in the linux driver/mixer software. Normally if it is an option that is implemented I would expect it to show as a toggle in one of the alsa mixers, possibly in the pulse audio stuff as well, similar to the way 'Mic Boost' might show in the mixers when the hardware supports that function. If you do actually have an audio out and a line out and the line out doesn't produce audio when something is plugged into the audio out, it may be an indication that it's a hardwired mechanical function built into the audio out jack to break the circuit to the line out jack when anything is plugged into audio out. There are a few variables between the capabilities of the audio chip, the mixer it is paired with at the hardware level, the way the jacks are routed to these and the way these show up in the mixer at the software level. Maybe someone with the same/similar audio hardware will chime in with what they see. Later, Seeker
Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again
On 9/30/2015 1:51 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 08:57:13PM -0700, Seeker wrote: If you think of non-free in terms of Debian non-free, then non-free and proprietary can be different things. That gets into a whole different hornets nest. Evaluate here, please. I honestly can not grasp this concept. Reco amiwm is in non-free. It includes source. It allows redistribution, but specifies "for non-commercial use". You are allowed to make changes, but not allowed to redistribute modified binaries or source. Not bad in the proprietary black box kind of way. But it is bad in the sense that it looks unmaintained and lack of ability to redistribute changes will eventually become an issue. There is angband-audio, that looks to be under some form of Creative Commons license. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/ Cuneiform is in non-free, don't know why that is since following the link to what is listed as the home page indicates the license is "Simplified BSD License". https://launchpad.net/cuneiform-linux/ There is game stuff in non-free where the game engine is open source, but the level data is either not included, requiring you to have a game disk or demo version to extract the data from, or game data is under more restrictive license. I'm fine with game data being under a restrictive license with an open source license on the engine, that still allows game developers to use the engine with independently developed levels and allows the game engine to continue being updated so I can continue to play the game with it's original levels in the future as long as I have access to that level data. Then there are issues with documentation under GFDL license not meeting DFSG requirements due to the invariant text clause. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License It's not all a black and white issue, there are several shades of grey in the mix as well. And I appreciate the way Debian developers deal with these things on behalf of those who create Custom Debian Distributions and redistribute them, but still having non-free separately available for us individual users. Later, Seeker
Re: [OT] Free software vs non-free, here we go again
On 9/29/2015 10:33 AM, Reco wrote: No, you are wrong here. First, you're trying to introduce a false dichotomy as if 'proprietary' and 'non-free' are different somehow. Second, 'non-free' is *always* a bad choice. /"Hear me now, I have seen the light! // //They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! // //Damn you! // //Let the rabbits wear glasses! // //Save our brothers!" // //Can I get an amen?/ Tool - Disgustipated http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/tool/disgustipated.html Sorry. Couldn't resist. ;-) I hate binary blobs that are required to get some hardware to work as much as the next person, but I stop short of saying non-free is *always* a bad choice. If you think of non-free in terms of Debian non-free, then non-free and proprietary can be different things. That gets into a whole different hornets nest. Later, Seeker
Re: can I access SD card in cell phone?
On 9/25/2015 3:09 PM, Li Wei wrote: maybe linux desktop market share in China is so small that Samsung remove PC connection option in Setting ?? if so, that's too bad I think it has more to do with Google than with Samsung http://www.androidcentral.com/ics-feature-mtp-what-it-why-use-it-and-how-set-it http://www.howtogeek.com/192732/android-usb-connections-explained-mtp-ptp-and-usb-mass-storage/ Later, Seeker
Re: Problem VNC (Vino) access from windows or other clients
On 9/18/2015 10:59 AM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: can you please also advice any client for windows. right now the only platform i have is Windows to access the machine. and Remmina does not work for Windows. Any suggestion please? Thanks, Yousuf RealVNC or UltraVNC if you want security that is built in. TightVNC is another option, but doesn't have the level of security built in that you would want if you are connecting over the internet. If you can't get the Windows clients to play well with the security in the Linux servers, then you could use SSH to create a secure connection, then go over the SSH connection to connect the client to the server. If you google 'ssh tunnel' there are lots of 'HOW TO' links. If you don't have any objections to using stuff that requires a Google account, you could try using Chrome Remote Desktop. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrome-remote-desktop/gbchcmhmhahfdphkhkmpfmihenigjmpp I tried it when it was first released only long enough to see it work between my phone as the client and a computer running Windows with Google Chrome as the server. At that time it wasn't working for me on my Linux desktop using Chromium, so could still be an issue using it with Chromium. It allows you to set up a permanent connection for yourself, may be an issue if you want to allow other people to connect without you having to be there to generate a code. Later, Seeker
Re: Bug? - Debian does not assign IP address after reboot?
On 9/16/2015 12:38 PM, linuxthefish wrote: Hi, After I reboot my Debian machine it does not assign an IP to eth0. It brings the interface up after a reboot, but does not set the IP on it! Running a cronjob every min to set the IP address is the only way to fix this, but why does it happen? Is this some sort of bug? My interfaces file is as follows: auto lo iface lo inet loopback auto eth0 allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 172.16.0.30 netmask 255.255.0.0 allow-hotplug wlan1 iface wlan1 inet static wpa-ap-scan 1 wpa-scan-ssid 1 wpa-ssid connect wpa-psk linuxthefish address 192.168.43.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Please can someone tell me why this happens? :( Thanks! I hope that is not your real wireless key. If it is you might want to change it now that it has been shared in a public forum. ;-) Later, Seeker
Re: Debian + Windows with UEFI
On 9/15/2015 3:17 PM, real bas wrote: Thanks Andrew. So, It is easier to install debian on UEFI system? If UEFI is implemented in a way that is not too broken, it should be as easy as it was with the old style of BIOS. With Dell systems you would normally start hitting the 'F12' key when you see the Dell Logo. Maybe sooner if the display is a little slow to light up. Should get you the boot menu that has the option to go to the UEFI setup. In Windows hold down the Windows key and hit 'R' to bring up the run box, then type 'diskmgmt.msc' and hit 'Enter' to bring of the disk management, from there you should be able to shrink the Windows partition. If you go to the Dell web site, go to support, and type in the service tag number that's on your machine, Dell may have some Linux related support information for your model. They may only provide that for models they actually ship with Linux, but it doesn't hurt to look. Later, Seeker
Re: Upgrading Debian
On 9/14/2015 2:33 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: I know. It took me a while to work out what he actually wanted with all the drama. ;-) People who come from Ubuntu don't understand about point releases. Since I don't know Ubuntu, I don't know what it is that they are thinking of. Lisi I do run Ubuntu LTS on a machine at my work place and I don't know what the thinking is either. :-\ If there is an actual new release the update manager tells you about it and gives you the option to upgrade, no mucking about with sources.list files, ISOs, etc... After the upgrade you then have to go through any *.list files in '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' if you have any to re-enable them and make sure they point where they need do. Not sure what happens if you have unofficial stuff in your sources.list instead of in placing them in their own *.list files. Personally I prefer editing my *.list files and pulling in smaller batches of updates. For point releases, if you keep up with the updates you probably have most of it by the time install images are made available anyway so just keep doing updates the same way no reason to re-install. There is a possibility of some driver/init related stuff being a little different in a re-install compared to just doing the normal update, but the odds of noticing the difference is pretty small so If it ain't broke, don't fix it. In the general sense, more or less the same as it is with Debian.:-) Later, Seeker
Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie
On 9/13/2015 1:01 PM, Paul van der Vlis wrote: The packages in Debian are good tested with eachother. I don't think the packages in deb-multimedia are tested that good. And Debian can change things what gives problems with deb-multimedia. I run unstable so expect issues are going to happen anyway. Don't know what the policy is for packages that are targeted at stable or testing. Normally I don't have big issues, when there are issues they are normally short lived. For some of the packages there may be options enabled that are not in Debian due to patent/license issues. Just looking at it from the standpoint of unstable, there does seem to be a more aggressive stance taken in regard to getting newer versions of some things into deb-multimedia and in some cases enabling features that may be a little less developed so from that standpoint I would expect some additional problems related to those things. With all the transitions at the moment there are extra issues, I did use the package menu in Synaptic to force libgegl and libx264 to the Debian versions so some other packages could upgrade. Not completely certain it was necessary for libx264. I've used deb-multimedia in the past, but I don't do it anymore. The only package what I miss sometimes is libdvdcss2. But maybe there is interesting software there what I don't know. If you just want libdvdcss, the videolan developers provide a repository for that https://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html And yes, maybe flashplayer-mozilla is a little bit better then flashplugin-nonfree. But I found a good workarround for updating. And most of my customers don't use a flashplugin anymore. Only people who want to look TV on the computer, or who want to play flash-games have problems. For listening radio are good alternatives available. Video-sites are working most of the time good with HTML5. Flash seems to have problems on every platform, I use the installer in Debian, it works for the stuff I care about, YMMV. Later, Seeker
Re: upgrade stable to testing or upgrading testing - very bad situation of the repository!
On 9/6/2015 1:19 PM, Joe wrote: On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 21:58:19 +0200 Floris <jkflo...@dds.nl> wrote: I suspect it will be more than a few days. Unstable has been disrupted for weeks, and aptitude full-upgrade still shrugs and says 'I can't do it, do you want to have a try?' There are more than 150 packages stuck at the moment, on a system with just over 4000 installed. Apt-get dist-upgrade wants to pull about seventy packages, but some are libraries which will be replaced by new versions. Gimp and gnome-mplayer are in the list, which I'm not willing to give up yet. If I get bored, I might mess around with synaptic to see if I can upgrade a few, but clearly there is still significant trouble. gnome-mplayer is removed from testing and unstable. So I wouldn't wait to long. OK, thanks. I would hope not Gimp also... Don't know how affected testing is by which transitions, but the ones the were causing me grief in unstable were taglib, clucene, ffmpeg-libav, and opencv. I expect flac, libmusicbrainz5, and libtorrent-rasterbar were adding to the confusion as well. https://release.debian.org/transitions/ I did uninstall ktorrent since I have not been using it anyway and I was finally able to get everything up to date without removing anything I care about keeping. I did have to work at it to find combinations that would not cause a big list of removals. I use Synaptic. First using the default upgrade to get the low hanging fruit. Then making selections from the things that remain. Then going through the list of obsolete packages and selecting packages to purge. If selecting something to purge gives me a list of changes that includes something I want to keep that has a newer version available, and the list of those things is reasonably small, then I will give the OK for that, then switch to 'Custome Filter --> Marked Changes' then change the selection for the things I want to keep to upgrade in order to see what else that triggers. Later, Seeker
Re: upgrade stable to testing or upgrading testing - very bad situation of the repository!
On 9/6/2015 2:45 PM, Seeker wrote: On 9/6/2015 1:19 PM, Joe wrote: OK, thanks. I would hope not Gimp also... Don't know how affected testing is by which transitions, but the ones the were causing me grief in unstable were taglib, clucene, ffmpeg-libav, and opencv. I expect flac, libmusicbrainz5, and libtorrent-rasterbar were adding to the confusion as well. https://release.debian.org/transitions/ I did uninstall ktorrent since I have not been using it anyway and I was finally able to get everything up to date without removing anything I care about keeping. I did have to work at it to find combinations that would not cause a big list of removals. I use Synaptic. First using the default upgrade to get the low hanging fruit. Then making selections from the things that remain. Then going through the list of obsolete packages and selecting packages to purge. If selecting something to purge gives me a list of changes that includes something I want to keep that has a newer version available, and the list of those things is reasonably small, then I will give the OK for that, then switch to 'Custome Filter --> Marked Changes' then change the selection for the things I want to keep to upgrade in order to see what else that triggers. Later, Seeker DOH!!! Spoke too soon. =-O Synaptic decided to be weird and not show me stuff. I had just upgraded stuff and had not yet closed Synaptic afterward, something that was upgraded must have affected the running synaptic, which I have not had happen very often, but it's not the first time. After closing and starting it again there are still some things I can't upgrade/remove One KDE4 packages depends on libgpgme++2, if I were to remove the dependant package that would cause other KDE4 stuff to be removed. If I upgrade it, that would cause gimp to be removed. libilmbase6 and libopenexr6 are then listed as things that have pre-transition type names that would be removed with post-transition names that would be installed. Opencv is also in the list of things it would cause to be upgraded which can't be upgraded without causing something else to be removed. For me the list *is* getting small now. :-) Later, Seeker
Re: get software list of one software repository
On 9/4/2015 7:33 AM, 慕冬亮 wrote: > Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 10:21:13 +0100 > From: mailingl...@darac.org.uk > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: get software list of one software repository > > On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 10:32:35PM +0800, mudongliang wrote: > > Hello everyone : > > There are some software repositories on my computer. > > For example , google chrome software repository > > deb [1]http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main > > I also add ubuntu partner in my computer. > > What I want to ask is how to get software list of someone software > > repository through command line! > > I can get this information through synaptic graphics. > > But I don't know how to do it in command line. > > Assuming that you have aptitude installed, try the following: > > Start by running "grep Origin: /var/lib/apt/lists/*Release" to see where > your packages from from. Origin will be "Debian" for official debian > packages, "Canonical" for official ubuntu packages, etc. > > Next, run "aptitude search '?origin(Debian)'" (replacing Debian with any > of the Origins listed above. > > If you need to narrow it down further (for example, you want to list > only unstable packages from Debian), then you can try something like > "aptitude search '(!~Atesting ~Aunstable ?origin(Debian))'". > I think you may mistaken my request. I want the reverse information. For example, the software list of debian testing main software repository is needed. I don't need in which software repository a software is located. I sounds like aptitude *is* the tool that you want. I don't use aptitude so I am taking it on faith that the given example is a working example and you just need adjust it to fit your needs. If you want a list of software in 'debian testing main' the repository is the origin, testing is the archive '~A', main is the section. aptitude search term information is available here. https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude#Advanced_search_patterns https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html the second link shows this... --| ?section(/|section|/)|, |~s/|section|/| Matches packages whose section matches the regular expression /|section|/. Adding that to the above example.. "aptitude search '(!~Atesting ~Aunstable ~smain ?origin(Debian))'" So this particular example should then show all the available packages in the Debian repository that are in the main section of the unstable archive, results from testing would be filtered out. I had trouble getting it to work in my earlier attempts, but I think it was probably because I was missing this part of the equation.. > Start by running "grep Origin: /var/lib/apt/lists/*Release" to see where > your packages from from. As opposed to guessing the correct origin base on the way Synaptic shows it to you. Later, Seeker
Re: get software list of one software repository
On 9/6/2015 12:55 PM, Seeker wrote: I sounds like aptitude *is* the tool that you want. I don't use aptitude so I am taking it on faith that the given example is a working example and you just need adjust it to fit your needs. If you want a list of software in 'debian testing main' the repository is the origin, testing is the archive '~A', main is the section. aptitude search term information is available here. https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude#Advanced_search_patterns https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html the second link shows this... --| ?section(/|section|/)|, |~s/|section|/| Matches packages whose section matches the regular expression /|section|/. Adding that to the above example.. "aptitude search '(!~Atesting ~Aunstable ~smain ?origin(Debian))'" So this particular example should then show all the available packages in the Debian repository that are in the main section of the unstable archive, results from testing would be filtered out. I had trouble getting it to work in my earlier attempts, but I think it was probably because I was missing this part of the equation.. > Start by running "grep Origin: /var/lib/apt/lists/*Release" to see where > your packages from from. As opposed to guessing the correct origin base on the way Synaptic shows it to you. Later, Seeker Did some testing, with an odd result. I have unstable and experimental in my sources.list with sections 'main contrib non-free' for both archives and deb-multimedia.org is there as an additional repository. After finding that I need to use 'Unofficial Multimedia Packages' as the origin for deb-multimedia.org I did: aptitude search '(!~Aexperimental ~Aunstable ?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' | less :that gave me the expected result. So then I did: aptitude search '(!~Aexperimental ~Aunstable ~smain ?origin(Debian))' | less :and got no results back, then tried these: aptitude search '(!~Aexperimental ~Aunstable ~snon-free ?origin(Debian))' | less aptitude search '(!~Aexperimental ~Aunstable ~scontrib ?origin(Debian))' | less :both look like expected results, and I see alien arena in the contrib list so did: aptitude search '(!~Aexperimental ~Aunstable ?origin(Debian))' | less :to confirm that it looked like the full list with all sections and alien arena was there so it does look like it is the full list. I this a bug or is there some other explanation? To mudongliang If I do: aptitude search '(!~Aexperimental ~Aunstable !~scontrib !~snon-free ?origin(Debian))' | less :to filter out the results from contrib and non-free, it does look like it leaves me with a list that only includes the packages from main. If I find myself stuck in a situation where I can't use Synaptic aptitude could start looking attractive for the search, but normally between apt-cache, 'apt list /something/'', and 'apt list --all-versions /something' /my needs are normally covered. Sometimes I use aptsh, have not tried to search from within it. But if the 'apt list' and apt-cache stuff works within aptsh, then you have search, tab completion, and the use of wild cards when you specify the list of packages to install. I know at least some of the apt-cache options work from within aptsh. Later, Seeker
Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
On 9/2/2015 3:23 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 01:09:45 -0700 Seeker <seeker5...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> To exit the shell created with "machinectl shell", you are instructed "Press ^] three times within 1s to exit session." That is very unfriendly for disabled. Not all can hit any key in 1 second. To specify two keys is even harder. There has never been mention of any other method to exit this new shell command. It is also very US centric, because on non US keybaord that combination can be difficult to press (eg on french keyboard). I looked up the French keyboard layout. Granted I never had a reason to seek it out, but I have not seen anyone complain about 'Ctrl'+'Alt'+'Del' being difficult to press. Compared to that 'Ctrl'+'Alt'+')' to get ^] does not seem any more difficult. Except that on my AZERTY keyboard 'Ctrl'+'Alt'+')' gets me nothing at all. To get "]" I have to press "AltGr" + ")", which may explain why "Ctrl" + "AltGr" + ")" gives nothing. Cheers, Ron. I guess that's another US thing, maybe other countries too. The keyboard image I found on the internet was interactive and it just happened to be the 'Alt Gr' key I was mousing over. I did learn some things. :-) Even though the right 'Alt' normally gives the same scan code as 'Alt GR' it isn't usually labeled that way so in the US we more commonly just see two different keys labeled as 'Alt'. And things normally work the same way with either one. I only found this out when I was looking for the layout for the French keyboard layout. Also there was some indication that US laptops with smaller keyboards may cheat and give the left 'Alt' scan code when you hit the 'Alt' key on the right.=-O Later, Seeker
Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
On 8/31/2015 12:45 PM, Erwan David wrote: Le 31/08/2015 20:53, Charlie Kravetz a écrit : To exit the shell created with "machinectl shell", you are instructed "Press ^] three times within 1s to exit session." That is very unfriendly for disabled. Not all can hit any key in 1 second. To specify two keys is even harder. There has never been mention of any other method to exit this new shell command. It is also very US centric, because on non US keybaord that combination can be difficult to press (eg on french keyboard). I looked up the French keyboard layout. Granted I never had a reason to seek it out, but I have not seen anyone complain about 'Ctrl'+'Alt'+'Del' being difficult to press. Compared to that 'Ctrl'+'Alt'+')' to get ^] does not seem any more difficult. Unless you have set keyboard settings somewhere to have an excessively slow repeat, as opposed to a longer delay before the repeat kicks in, theoretically it should not be that hard to get 3 ^]s in 1 second. Or am I interpreting something incorrectly? It's been indicated elsewhere that the normal methods of exiting a shell session will work for this too and ^] is more of an emergency exit. Later, Seeker
Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
On 9/2/2015 3:25 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 02 September 2015 09:09:45 Seeker wrote: Unless you have set keyboard settings somewhere to have an excessively slow repeat, as opposed to a longer delay before the repeat kicks in, theoretically it should not be that hard to get 3 ^]s in 1 second. Or am I interpreting something incorrectly? Yes, you are. You are ignoring the part that said "disabled". Lisi Not ignoring, just questioning the need. *If* like people are saying you can type 'exit' or hit 'Ctrl'+'D' to exit then there are more familiar and on easier way to exit. Some of this may have to be revisited later once more people actually use it and have that first hand exposure to what works and what doesn't. Maybe ^] was added as an additional exit method because Lennart uses other stuff that accepts that to exit and thought it would be nice for people who use that method to be able to exit the shell session the same way. If ^] is an emergency exit, that would assume it will work when you can't type 'exit' and 'Ctrl'+'D' doesn't work either. If it isn't, why would you need ^] 3 times in a second. If it is going to work when 'exit' and 'Ctrl'+'D' don't, it would need to intercept the key presses and decide whether to act on them or pass the to whatever is running inside the shell. If you intend those key presses to go to the program running in the shell you don't want the shell to act on it on the first key press and exit when what you really wanted was to exit the program running inside the shell. Same thing with any other key combination, you don't want the shell to exit if what you really wanted was for something to happen inside the shell. There is an argument for an easier key combination, but how do you make it more accessible for people who can't hold down a key combination long enough for the repeat to kick in? Later, Seeker
Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On 8/28/2015 12:38 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 28 August 2015 06:24:33 Seeker wrote: On 8/27/2015 12:48 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: Connecting home computers to TVs came _before_ connecting them to monitors. The circle has merely come back to the beginning. Lisi I had a Commodor 64, but did not have the accessories to actually use it like a computer so it was just a game system to me. It was probably 2007-2008 so it wasn't *that* long ago, No - I was referring to c. 1981 when Sinclair launched the ZX81 and Atari launched its home computer (or was that in 1982?). We used TVs for display. 2007 is really recent. Lisi Guess I jumped gears there without giving a clear indication. :-\ 2007-2008 was when I started messing around with getting a computer to work with the TV so we could watch the Australian show. The Commodore 64 was earlier. www.computerhistory.org seems a bit US centric http://www.computerhistory.org/timeline/?category=cmptr and missing some of the European computers, their timeline lists Atari Model 400 and 800 in 1979, Commodore 64 in 1982. Wikipedia shows Sinclair ZX81 in 1981. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX81 All I really remember of the Commodore was Jumpman Jr. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumpman I didn't have the monitor or floppy drive, we hooked it to the TV. Jumping back to 2007 I see some places on the net that list US NTSC as being 60 on the refresh rate, but it is actually slightly less. The slightly less seemed to be the issue, with the video cards giving a 59 or 60 or maybe only 60 as an option. Currently. Don't know if the better compatibility these days is in the video hardware or the TV hardware, but I suspect it's on the TV side of the equation, maybe a little of both with more people wanting to do the media center thing, computer gaming on the TV, etc... About 3 years ago I did play around with Blu-ray, the drive was old, the software that came with it stopped being updated in 2010. Had 2 movies both released after 2010, initially neither would play, after poking around on the net and finding a firmware update, I could get one of the movies to play. Same result with the included software and VLC. Since then I have seen another solution mentioned in the MythTV mailing list a few times. I think it doesn't allow just watching a movie directly though because they talk about a delay while starting the movie decoding and building up a buffer then watching the buffered content. DVD is only slightly screwed up. With Blu-ray it seems like they did every thing they could to screw it up. Even if you don't care about playing commercial video discs, there is some question of whether you want to spend money supporting a technology that has that much baggage. Later, Seeker
Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On 8/27/2015 9:04 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Nicolas George wrote: There were the DVD drives by Matsushita, usually found on laptops, that did refuse to return the encrypted contents if the region did not match. This sounds plausible, although i would heavily complain towards the seller if i ever found out. There is few chance i would step into this puddle when recording and reading own data. Any good keywords to search for ? All tries bring me to Macbook drives where it is hard to distinguish between hardware and software. Of course if Apple orders a shipload of drives with custom firmware add-ons, then Matsushita will probably produce them. There are whole online communities which have chosen DVD cheating as their favorite sport. Something about: Matshita Flasher, a software without visible authorship, and RPC-1 good, RPC-2 bad. I don't know what this DVD cheating stuff is about. RPC-1, it was intended that all playback software be licensed, licensed software had to honor the region code. It was left up to the software to honor the region code or not. RPC-2, commonly accessible software is available that does not care about region code settings. Initialization was changed so software does not have access to the decryption functions if the region code does not match taking the decision out of the hand of the player software. People who only watch DVDs for their region will never notice the change. On the one hand, maybe it sounds perfectly reasonable that the big movie producers should be able to prevent playback of the larger percentage of DVD releases that people might want to watch that do not and will never have a release for their region based on their desire to prevent access to the smaller percentage of titles those big movie producers want to prevent access to before those movies have been released for a region. On the other hand, DVD drives are cheap these days, as far as I know you can still by a second drive and set it to a different region code. One you have your backup copy region is no longer an issue so you can make a DVD that will play from your media center, copy to your tablet, copy to a flash stick and plug into the USB port on your TV or hardware based player, etc so in effect all the change really accomplishes is to be an annoyance to those of us who really only care about being able to play a DVD we actually paid for. The people that produce a DVD and don't care about controlling access based on region*could* release a DVD in unecrypted form, in which case region does not come into play, or set the disc as playable in all regions. I expect there are many DVD titles that are region restricted not because the producers of those titles want to prevent playback in other regions, but because the producers had no plans on releasing in another region and just never occurred them to think about the people who through the internet or other means purchase DVDs from sources not in their region. I had an Australian show I was watching and the final season did not air in the US, so it was purchased on DVD, no mention of region restrictions, but turns out it was not set for playback in region 1. On a marginally related but not relevant note, that was at a time when hooking a computer to a TV was not so common, so a Windows desktop, a Linux desktop, and finally a laptop or 2 later I was able to find a combination that would put out a refresh rate the TV would accept. G. ;) Later, Seeker
Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On 8/27/2015 1:19 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Seeker wrote: RPC-1 [...] It was left up to the software to honor the region code or not. RPC-2, commonly accessible software is available that does not care about region code settings. Initialization was changed so software does not have access to the decryption functions if the region code does not match taking the decision out of the hand of the player software. I read two narrations in the web: RPC-1 has no region code in drive but in software, RPC-2 has region code in drive and enforces region code match in hardware. versus RPC-1 allows to change region code as often as wanted, RPC-2 allows only 5 changes. Special software will read and display videos from non-matching regions anyway. Early drives typically shipped with the region code unset and commonly you would be asked to choose a region when you ran the playback software the first time. Could be that some drives did not limit the number of times you could change the region code. If there were such drives, the information available indicated you only had a limited number of changes going all the way back to the days of needing a special card that only did mpeg acceleration in order to play a DVD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealMagic Fun times. :-) Later, Seeker
Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
On 8/27/2015 12:48 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2015 19:30:48 Seeker wrote: On a marginally related but not relevant note, that was at a time when hooking a computer to a TV was not so common, My, we have some youngsters on this list now. ;-) LOL Connecting home computers to TVs came _before_ connecting them to monitors. The circle has merely come back to the beginning. Lisi I had a Commodor 64, but did not have the accessories to actually use it like a computer so it was just a game system to me. It was probably 2007-2008 so it wasn't *that* long ago, but the TV we had was a few years old at the time. We did have another smaller TV in a back bedroom that was specifically designed to also work as a computer monitor, but we didn't really want to gather the family around in the back bedroom to watch the show. Later, Seeker
Re: virtualbox-usb printer not recognized
On 8/25/2015 3:19 PM, Whit Hansell wrote: Seeker, Thanks so much for the reply. I tried to do whaat the link you gave me said to do but messed it up because I'm not Windows proficient. Found another site that gives info on how to set up the network printer and will try that soon. Am backed up w. stuff right now. Thanks so much for your help. I found nothing about this type of situation when I did my google searches. I will let y'all know how it goes when I get back to it. Gracias amigo, seeker. Whit Looks like you need to share the printer in Linux attempting to add it to the Windows guest. If you are running Gnome or KDE there should be a control panel type of area that includes something for printer setup. In other environments there may be something on the applications menu in a 'Preferences' or 'System' section of the menu. Here are a couple more links, they don't go into great detail, but give a general idea of what is needed end to end and between them, look like they cover the important bits. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1614284 http://forums.scotsnewsletter.com/index.php?showtopic=59183 Later, Seeker
Re: virtualbox-usb printer not recognized
On 8/24/2015 6:27 PM, Whit Hansell wrote: Well, I've got the new virtualbox set up and all is good except my usb hP 5600 series printer is not recognized so I can print and scan with it. My webcam works. My usb keyboard works. My wifi usb mouse works. But my printer isn't recognized. I have all the info in the usb filter setup but it keeps showing no usb items attached... Anyone else have a similar problem? Anyone got any ideas? Have reinstalled the extension pack 3 timesd and besides all the other primare usb iltems work. Thanks in advance. Any help greatlly appreciated.. Whit I have not played around with Virtualbox with Linux as the host os. With Windows as the host OS Virtualbox takes care of disconnecting the printer from the host OS so it can be used in the Virtual machine. Since I am usually setting things up for non techie people and want to reduce the things they have to try and wrap their head around, I typically set the printer up as a network printer in the guest OS. A quick look on Google, looks like that is the recommended course of action when using Linux as the host OS. http://www.ehow.com/how_8743472_do-print-out-virtualbox.html With Windows as the host the printer just needs to work in the host OS, it doesn't need to be shared in the host OS. Since the instructions don't say anything special about the host set up I'm guessing it is the same with Linux as the host, but those were the first instructions I saw and never looked to much after. I expect if there is extra set up required someone will chime in. Later, Seeker
Re: Debian Gnome Or XFCE ?
Sorry for sending a response off list, I usually I double check the To field before hitting send, but that didn't happen this time. On 8/12/2015 9:09 PM, Bret Busby wrote: Since you have mentioned an old system, I should perhaps mention that apparently, Linux has abandoned support for Celeron CPU's, as, having installed ubuntu-mate 15.09 on my HP/Compaq NX5000 which has a Celeron CPU, and the associated and subsequent problems, I have found that the Celeron CPU's are apparently no longer supported by Linux, as the kernels are incompatible with the Celeron CPU - a non-PAE issue, apparently. This is one of those cases where you shouldn't make blanket statements, there are newer Celeron processors that work fine, without having to do anything special. Celerons are designed to be cheap, so are always cut down in some way or another compared to the rest of the Intel line up. From what I can find quickly on Google looks like Celeron M and Pentium M have the same issues reltive to current day expectations and the Linux kernel, and I did see that there was another reply with a link that may help you with that. Later, Seeker
Re: Debian Gnome Or XFCE ?
On 8/13/2015 11:20 AM, Bret Busby wrote: The matter had been dealt with as much as it could, so far, and clarified a bit, without resolution, between my message to which you responded, and your response, which you would have seen, if you had read the rest of the thread past my message to which you responded. The last message I saw was this... On 8/13/2015 3:50 AM, didier gaumet wrote: Le 13/08/2015 12:13, Bret Busby a écrit : i386 is 686, and not 586 ? Yes, I think that 386 Ubuntu Linux images are build with 686 instruction set compatibility. 386 meaning here x86. Anyway, you might have a way to force enabling PAE on your Celeron in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE If you have an M processor that actually doesn't have PAE support, as opposed to having it and failing to report it, then it looks like your options are pretty limited these days. Sparky Linux has non-PAE options available. http://sparkylinux.org/download/ This article has a couple of others. http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2014/08/5-linux-distributions-for-very-old.html Later, Seeker
Re: Debian Gnome Or XFCE ?
On 8/13/2015 4:58 AM, Bret Busby wrote: On 13/08/2015, didier gaumet didier.gau...@gmail.com wrote: Le 13/08/2015 12:13, Bret Busby a écrit : i386 is 686, and not 586 ? Yes, I think that 386 Ubuntu Linux images are build with 686 instruction set compatibility. 386 meaning here x86. Anyway, you might have a way to force enabling PAE on your Celeron in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE Thank you. That is how I managed to initially install the operating system. I have not tried, and, do not know how, to apply that fix as part of a kernel upgrade, and thence, I can not either update, or, add packages to, that computer, within that operating system installation. I guess it is now just a permanent bug in Ubuntu i386, if the problem does not apply to kernels outside Ubuntu. Here is the message I missed. ;) Looks like you may have missed the '-- forcepae' part of the 'forcepae -- forcepae' that signals the installer to use the forcepae option in the installed system. Or if you did upgrade the kernel previously, could still be a bug somewhere that caused the forcepae option to be lost. There is a bug report here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1307105 With instructions /Are you still booting with the forcepae option? If not, you'll need to add it./ /gksu gedit /etc/default/grub/ /Make GRUB_CMDLINE_//LINUX_DEFAULT line look like:// //GRUB_CMDLINE_//LINUX_DEFAULT=//quiet splash forcepae/ /Save. Quit. Run:// //sudo update-grub/ /Reboot and try the update again./ Later, Seeker
Re: Wireless disabled in Debian after MacOS use (stuck)
On 7/21/2015 5:04 PM, Michael Bonert wrote: I solved the problem! I was reading the Network Manager how to -- that is found here: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager This is what I did: ** # vi /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf -IT WAS [ifupdown] managed=false -CHANGED TO [ifupdown] managed=true --- # /etc/init.d/network-manager restart ** I am still baffled about why this happened. It doesn't make sense to me! Any how, I hope if someone else encounters wireless problems with the Broadcom driver ( b43 ) ... my list of things to try ( https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/07/msg00947.html ) is useful. Michael Do you have the card set up in /etc/network/interfaces ? In theory, the managed setting of network manager should only make a difference if there is configuration in /etc/network/interfaces for the interface in question. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55aefa81.3010...@comcast.net
Re: anyone booting debian with secure boot enabled? And/or from GPT partitions?
On 7/14/2015 5:45 PM, Joel Rees wrote: Last I heard, debian was not participating in any of the initiatives to get officially microsoft-signed signatures for kernels. I've been out of the community for a few months, so I haven't kept up with this, but quick searches don't reveal a change in policy. (And I am definitely not arguing for a change in policy, for anyone who might misread me.) I have a netbook that allows secure boot to be disabled. As long as I don't need to boot MSWindows, I just disable secure boot. (I don't perceive any real advantage in Microsoft's implementation, anyway.) Windows can be a bit odd with the boot stuff at times, but generally it doesn't have an issue booting when the secure boot setting is changed, but some times it seems to, so YMMV. It does have an issue switching between legacy and UEFI boot modes. So if your laptop maker did not give you separate options to enable/disable secure boot and switch between UEFI/legacy, they didn't do you any favors there. To confuse the issue even more, they may call the option to turn legacy mode on and off CSM (Compatibility Support Module), not as straight forward as legacy, but at least named for what it is, unlike my MSI desktop board which puts some of these options in a Windows boot options section worded in a way that leaves you a little unsure even if you think you know what the options should do relative to the terminology the should/would normally be used. I don't have dual boot set up at the moment, my old windows install was already broken, now that I upgraded my system and changed to a UEFI boot I need to reinstall. Being that I'm on a desktop system, I install Linux on one hard drive and Windows on another, leaving my Linux hard drive unplugged during the Windows install. It's been a long time since I dual booted with Linux and Windows both on a single hard drive. Starting with Vista there were issues with some updates if Windows did not control the MBR, if I remember right these all had to do with bitlocker encryption stuff being updated and wanting to verify stuff in the MBR during the update, so probably not an issue if you had the basic/home premium versions of Windows since those versions did not do bitlocker encryption. Whenenver I hit one of these updates I would go into the BIOS and put the Windows drive first in the boot order. Probably also not an issue if your hard drives are GPT initialized using EFI boot. If you need to access files in the Windows partition from Linux, you may need to turn hibernation off in Windows 8. If you get complaints about hibernation/fastboot when you try to mount the Windows partition in Linux you need to boot into Windows, open a command window with administrator rights and issue the command: powercfg /hibernate off Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55a5f4ac.6010...@comcast.net
Re: Comments on Lenovo desktops
On 7/13/2015 3:54 AM, Dan Keast wrote: Hi all, I'm currently considering buying new hardware too, if Lenovos have become a spyware delivery tool, is there a happy medium between them and the gluglug Libreboot X200? Cheers, Dan On 13 July 2015 at 02:12, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au mailto:andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: Hi Lisi, On 13/07/2015 8:48 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: But I don't like the loook of this: Trusted Platform Module (TPM 1.2) Security Chip Again, comments please. I would be more concerned Lenovo for other reasons; helping customers with spyware MITM SSL certs for that reason alone, even though it was in the Windows world, I would be wary of supporting Lenovo ever again. They are not the same as IBM once was. I wouldn't be worried about spyware too much, there were only a few models that had the bad stuff, none of the Think* stuff had it. The models that did have it all shipped in a three month period. They dealt with the situation pretty quickly, provided a removal tool, and are not likely to want a repeat of that fiasco. I have seen a couple different things on the cheap Lenovo desktop systems. One type of system the CPU is soldered on the motherboard, uses laptop RAM, has one PCI expresss slot that can be used for a Video card or other PCI express card, and uses an external power adapter like the power adapters the laptops take. I would not get one of these for myself, but if it fits your needs, it seems like a decent system and at least in the US you could probably get a replacement power adapter at Batteries Plus. The other type of system is similar, but has an internal power supply, but it does not have the normal power connections that an off the shelf ATX power supply has and not like any of the power supplies I have seen for your standard Mini-ITX systems either. No 24 pin to the motherboard, no SATA, no molex. The internal drives have power cables that run from the motherboard to the drive. That makes it more questionable how easily/quickly you can get a replacement if you have to replace the power supply. Also makes testing power issues a problem if you don't have a spare around. So I would try to find out what type of power supply the system uses and if it uses an internal power supply if it has the standard connections an off the shelf power supply would have before buying one. Later, Seeker
Re: install Arial fonts lost in latex
On 7/5/2015 4:34 AM, Eike Lantzsch wrote: On Sunday 05 July 2015 19:21:20 mudongliang wrote: se of the OP. yes, you're right! I can't download exe file from the sourceforge site! -mudongliang Yep, looks like your university prevents the download of exe files from sourceforge in some weird way which does not resolve to a meaningful error message. What keeps me guessing is why you were able to download exe files from some MS- site. Can you contact the IT girls/guys about this behaviour? I first thought that your (or the university's) router might not be able to handle FTP transfers correctly, but your log clearly shows that HTTP is used for the transport. Cheers Eike One might be tempted to think recent behavior at might be catching up with them... http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/2015/q2/194 But then the OP indicated in another thread he was able to download the .exe files with his phone over the network of the university. Strange. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55994e2f.7040...@comcast.net
Re: How do I find what drivers are installed
On 6/30/2015 2:27 AM, Bret Busby wrote: On 30/06/2015, Seeker seeker5...@comcast.net wrote: On 6/29/2015 11:40 AM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: On Seg, 29 Jun 2015, Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 00:48 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: So the computer does not work properly (in terms of the graphics, anyway) with either Debian 6 or Debian 7, and will not so work, unless and until a new driver is created for it, for those operating systems, so the computer will apparently work best with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, unless and until appropriate drivers are available for Debian 6 and 7. Drivers are available, why don't you try running jessie / Debian 8? From what I recall from several long previous threads, because he does not want Gnome 3, and he doesn't want Mate either because the names of applications are in Spanish. Gnome-core doesn't depend on those. Do you mean that gnome does not depend on gnome 3 or on mate, or do you mean that gnome does not depend on users who want to use gnome 2? I meant gnome-core doesn't depend on applications that have spanish names, but after hitting the send button (D'oh) it hit me that not wanting Gnome 3 probably had nothing to do with applications that have spanish names. Must have been the shock of hearing that someone would reject a whole desktop just because a couple of applications have spanish names. =-O That's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;-) Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/559497a0.5050...@comcast.net
Re: How do I find what drivers are installed
On 6/29/2015 11:40 AM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: On Seg, 29 Jun 2015, Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 00:48 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: So the computer does not work properly (in terms of the graphics, anyway) with either Debian 6 or Debian 7, and will not so work, unless and until a new driver is created for it, for those operating systems, so the computer will apparently work best with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, unless and until appropriate drivers are available for Debian 6 and 7. Drivers are available, why don't you try running jessie / Debian 8? From what I recall from several long previous threads, because he does not want Gnome 3, and he doesn't want Mate either because the names of applications are in Spanish. Gnome-core doesn't depend on those. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55921ffe.4030...@comcast.net
Re: Boots into emergency mode. How to analyze?
On 6/26/2015 6:12 AM, Matthijs Wensveen wrote: On 06/26/2015 01:55 PM, Nick T. wrote: On 06/26/2015 12:55 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: well and good until you find yourself in the situation this very thread is about: your root filesystem is broken and you can only log in as root. Then you need your root password. Ubuntu and debian can boot into recovery mode from the grub menu, from there it asks for the root password IF there is one, if not it just gives you a root shell. - Nick Not the case. Even in rescue mode I needed to supply the root login. I could use init=/bin/sh but I couln't find anything in the logs in /var/log, so I'm guessing systemd and journalctl keeps the journal in some other place (probably some binary format hidden in a database or something). I'm now back to having a root password, which allows me to use emergency mode. I'm unsure if having a root password (and an enabled root account) is better or worse, security-wise. If an attacker has access to the grub menu, you're probably screwed anyhow. From the standpoint of remote access, don't think there is a significant difference. From the standpoint of physical access to the machine, I would go on the assumption that if someone has the time to boot into recovery mode and mess with the system, they have time to boot from optical or flash disk and mess with the system, so unless you have gone into the bios/uefi and set passwords, it's not going to make that much difference. If they have time to do that, maybe they have time to take the hard drive out and attach it to another machine, again sudo versus root, no difference, and bios/uefi passwords don't come into play either in that case. That leaves you with encryption then, if you really need that level of security. Personally, if I had to start from scratch for some reason, I would skip the root password during install and just use sudo. But since my Debian installation predates that option, I stick with using root. I am pretty comfortable with the way sudo works in Ubuntu and did not bother creating a root password there. Normally if I have to do something from the command line one of 'sudo -H 'some command'', or 'sudo su' meets my needs or the gtk/kde frontends for sudo if I have to start something with a GUI. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/558e1b99.9050...@comcast.net
Re: Change systemd to not be default in Stretch
On 6/24/2015 6:19 AM, Jape Person wrote: On 06/24/2015 08:01 AM, Zebediah C. McClure wrote: On Tuesday 23 June 2015 18:33:22 Patrick Bartek wrote: Yes, but I still have the following packages installed because I haeven't cleaned them out. You might have them around also. i libsystemd-daemon0 - systemd utility library (deprecated) i libsystemd-login0 - systemd login utility library (deprecated) i libsystemd0 - systemd utility library i systemd-shim- shim for systemd zmc Before cleaning them out, you might want to do a little bit of research. Hint: My Jessie and Stretch systems running systemd as the init system do NOT have systemd-shim installed. My Jessie and Stretch systems using sysv as the init system DO have it installed. I have wondered if the naming scheme for some of the packages may be part of the foundation of paranoia about systemd as a whole, since one who works hard to rid her/his system of systemd might expect not to see the word sitting amongst the system's package names. But a name is just a name. The systemd-shim package, for instance, is what makes it possible to use sysv system as the init system while still making use of a number of important system functions which have -- for better or worse -- been rolled into packages developed and/or maintained by the systemd project. Paranoia is the foundation of paranoia, fueled by those who would prevent others from having a choice of using systemd. Some number of things require a functional systemd, if you have a different init system handling boot then you need the shim for those things. Some other things have support for systemd compiled in for those who are using systemd, but don't require systemd to function. At the least those would commonly require libsystemd0. Even if the systemd stuff won't be used they would complain if the libraries provided by libsystemd0 were not there. That's the part where the paranoia fueled by those who would prevent the choice to others comes into play. I believe all the packages that are listed as deprecated were providing libraries that have been rolled in to libsystemd0, so there is a good chance they could all be removed, but there may still be some packages that list the deprecated packages as dependencies, so that may vary depending on what you install. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/558b256f.3060...@comcast.net
Re: Change systemd to not be default in Stretch
On 6/24/2015 3:58 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 14:47:27 -0700 Seeker seeker5...@comcast.net wrote: Paranoia is the foundation of paranoia, fueled by those who would prevent others from having a choice of using systemd. No-one wants to prevent others from having a choice of using systemd; what some people want is the freedom not to use it themselves. That choice never went away. It just requires reading the release notes and following the relevant instructions in the release notes. There were those few squeeky wheels leading up to, and following the decision to make systemd the default. And some did present the idea that anything remotely related to systemd should be able to be removed from the system. In spite of the fact that nobody seemed to be complaining about the support libraries being pulled in before the decision to make systemd the default init. Even though the more extreme squeeky wheels generally seem to be absent now, or at least refraining from beating a dead horse, the sensitivity from those earlier discussions remains. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/558b8484.3010...@comcast.net
Re: I upgraded from jessie to stretch and messed up I used the dist-upgrade command....
On 6/18/2015 7:48 AM, Michael Fothergill wrote: don't recall you saying what graphics hardware you have but I think it is a radeon? What is your lspci entry for it? lspci | grep VGA It is an AMD Kaveri box Radeon R7 200 series (APU) http://www.eteknix.com/complete-amd-kaveri-review-a10-7850k-a10-7700k-a8-7600/ I have the A10-7850k APU Regards MF I'm running this chip with unstable and it boots fine. Looks like testing and unstable are on the same X.org currently, but unstable is using a newer kernel. Also I see something in dmesg about kaveri firmware being loaded, which I believe is provided by the linux-firmware-nonfree package, in case you don't have this installed. Looks like Petter has a better handle on this stuff than I do, so follow his instructions for getting the system to boot to the command line. Later, Seeker
Re: multitouch / touchscreen support in Debian
On 06/08/2015 12:47 AM, Frank Loeffler wrote: /My question is mainly in which direction I should look. Google wasn't // //particularly helpful, as most hits point to Ubuntu (no, I don't want to // //switch to Ubuntu). The recommended solution there seems to be either // //Unity, or a tool called touchegg, which doesn't appear to exist in // //Debian, nor seems someone interested in it. The only time someone asked // //here about it doesn't have a solution or useful pointer. / Looks like touchegg is GPL, was there a request for package filed? https://github.com/JoseExposito/touchegg/commit/798d586e271f7cc0ee2c70d874cc80934f8325f7 https://wiki.debian.org/RFP Later, Seeker
Re: multitouch / touchscreen support in Debian
On 6/7/2015 11:26 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 06/08/2015 12:47 AM, Frank Loeffler wrote: My question is mainly in which direction I should look. Google wasn't particularly helpful, as most hits point to Ubuntu (no, I don't want to switch to Ubuntu). The recommended solution there seems to be either Unity, or a tool called touchegg, which doesn't appear to exist in Debian, nor seems someone interested in it. The only time someone asked here about it doesn't have a solution or useful pointer. You have to give the Devil his due. Unity might be the only Linux Desktop that lends itself to touch interface. If you have the harddrive space, maybe create another partition and install Ubuntu/Unity. Let us know what happens, as touch screens are the next thing. Ric Don't have a touch screen to play with, but this arch linux page makes it sound like there is a chance you only need to have the hid multitouch driver for the device level support. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multitouch_Displays From here ... http://askubuntu.com/questions/452159/ubuntu-14-04-multi-touch-screen-support Looks like Chromium has a pinch option /|chromium --enable-pinch|/ That would at least be a way to see that multitouch is working. This page indicates there is an extension 'grab and drag' that provides scrolling support for Firefox/Iceweasel. https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/799669-how-to-configure-a-touchscreen-on-linux Looks like 'geis' is avaialable in Debian... https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libgeissearchon=allsuite=stablesection=all Looks like Ubuntu is leading the charge here, so probably want to check what they use, what is in Debian, what might be able to be compiled to work with the stuff that is in Debian https://launchpad.net/canonical-multitouch Looks like you might be able to get touchegg to compile against Debian libraries... http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/vivid/touchegg Later, Seeker
Re: mixer.app ; how do i use it after installing it with aptitude?
On 5/24/2015 1:46 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: I found a .deb package, named 'mixer.app' by accident in aptitude interactive mode. My current sound mixer is the one installed by xfce, which uses much to much area on my display screen for my taste. (about 20%) I think I need to learn how to create a 'launcher', which is something I have never done. Where can I find instructions for creating a launcher specific to xfce? It's been a long time since I messed around with dockapps outside of WindowMaker. From the package description... https://packages.debian.org/jessie/mixer.app /Another mixer application designed for WindowMaker/ /There's nothing in the program that makes it *require* WindowMaker, except maybe the look. Mixer.app is a mixer utility for Linux systems. Requires /dev/mixer to work. Provides three customizable controls on a tiny 64x64 app./ Outside of WindowMaker you could run the app alone, 'Mixer.app' is the name of the executable. If you do this you will end up with a 64x64 mixer window in the upper left of your screen, no option to move it anywhere else. Being a dockapp it's not going to be very functional either, due to 64x64 space limitation it only has 3 sliders. There used to be some docks that provided support for dockapps, but I'm not finding that info at the moment. Looks like dockapps.org goes to a parking page now, so it looks like dockapp support may be shrinking. It does look like you can still run dockapps in some or all of the *box window managers, but don't know how many people really do this anymore. You can configure where along the edge of the screen the slit is positioned, then load the dockapps into the slit. Did also find something Sawfish specific for handling dockapps... http://sawfish.wikia.com/wiki/Wmaker-dockapps Personally I don't understand the screen real estate issue , if I'm running the mixer I want it to be fully functional. Even if the sliders are split into tabs (input, output, other functions) it's still going to take up some screen real estate. If I'm not looking for that, then I just want a single slider volume control. Personally I prefer kmix and create a '.desktop' file for it and place it in ' ~/.config/autostart/' so it will start with any xdg compliant desktop/window manager. As long as you are running something that provides a compliant tray area you should be able to start it and have it show in the tray, I usually have to fish for the command line option so it doesn't display the mixer window when it starts, if I remember correctly 'kmix --help' will show the options. Required elements of a '.desktop' file according to https://linuxcritic.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/anatomy-of-a-desktop-file/ / //Required Elements// // //Type – specifies the type of desktop entry. Currently, there are three valid types: Application, Link and Directory.// //Name – The name of the specific application or directory. This determines the actual display name for the menu/desktop entry.// //Exec – provides the actual command to execute, with associated arguments (if necessary.)/ If you don't already have other KDE stuff that you run, it will pull in a lot of dependencies so may not be a desirable option for you. Later, Seeker
Re: mixer.app ; how do i use it after installing it with aptitude?
On 5/24/2015 1:46 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: I think I need to learn how to create a 'launcher', which is something I have never done. Where can I find instructions for creating a launcher specific to xfce? Didn't think of it in my last post, but the site with the info about '.desktop' files gives an example that includes a line to specify an icon and the location to put the file that should get it to show in your applicaton menu. https://linuxcritic.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/anatomy-of-a-desktop-file/ Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5562ae5a.1040...@comcast.net
Re: Help with ddrescue
On 5/8/2015 10:20 AM, German wrote: On Fri, 08 May 2015 12:10:38 -0400 Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: On 08/05/15 10:32 AM, German wrote: Hi list. Ok, now I have a spare 2TB USB drive where I can save .img file. Is that the right procedure? Do I have make a snapshot of failed drive and transfer it as a .img file to a spare drive, correct? R-studio for linux can display files of failed drive ( TestDisk coudn't do it ). So now I think I'll proceed. What is exact command to do it with ddrescue and what file system the spare drive has to be formated? Thank you very much! You can try ddrescue if=/dev/sdb1 of=failed.img where /dev/sdb1 would be the partition that you want to recover. Using 'dd' would be 'dd if=something of=something' ddrescue is 'ddrescue [options] [source] [destination] [logfile]' Thanks, but some clarification is needed. Now I have two drives, failed and a spare. Both are 2TB in size. Failed drive probably has 1.6 TB data I'd like to recover. It has only one partition I suppose. So, if failed drive is for instance /dev/sdb and spare drive is for isntance /dev/sdc, the right command will be ddrescue if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc/failed.img ? And also, you didn't answer this, what file system the a spare drive ahs to be formated? Thanks. First I would use fdisk to see the size of the drives, not all 2 terabyte drives will be identical in size fdisk -l -l tells fdisk to list the drives. If the destination is larger, no issues, if it is smaller, might still work but may lead to issues later on. Going directly from one device to another, you have to use the force option to overwrite the destination. ddrescue --force /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /home/someusername/ddrescue.log If you go to an image, then you would have to mount the location ahead of time and specify a filename. ddrescue /dev/sdb /mnt/sdc1/rescued.img /home/someusername/ddrescue.log Here is a link to a guide... https://www.technibble.com/guide-using-ddrescue-recover-data/ There is a possibility that going device to device ddrescue might get enough to make a working clone, but I would go into it with the assumption that either way you will need to run recovery software and have yet another drive to recover to. The disadvantage of running recovery software on a failing disk, is the more you do to the disk the higher the risk it will get worse. The advantage of creating an image or clone is that once you have a copy on a good drive can keep trying different recovery options without having to worry about the drive getting worse. The disadvantage is that you need space that is equal to the size of the old drive plus room for all the files you want to recover. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/554d8d5b.40...@comcast.net
Re: Help with ddrescue
On 5/8/2015 5:28 PM, German wrote: On Fri, 08 May 2015 19:52:04 -0400 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: Not quite. /dev/sda2/ is not a directory; it's a device node. Since /dev/sda2 is mounted to / (the root filesystem), the correct equivalent to this command would be: ddrescue /dev/sdd /dev/sdc /ddrescue.log and although I wouldn't advise storing a log file in the root directory, the command should work. The log file itself can be placed in any writable location which has enough space. Thank you I started ddrescue and it is going somewhere. Probably will take 10 hours or more to complete. I'll let you know how it's all went. Thank you once more. It refused to work as we wanted and asked for --force option ( -f) Looks like I am late to the party and this part got sorted already. For future reference, for people helping, there was a previous thread... https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/04/msg01639.html The problem disk is a Seagate GoFlex. Testdisk deep scan only listed the smaller FAT partition not the NTFS partition. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/554d9a8d.6040...@comcast.net
Re: Help with TestDisk
On 4/29/2015 5:41 AM, German wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 22:24:50 -0700 Seeker seeker5...@comcast.net wrote: On 4/28/2015 8:03 PM, German wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:06:29 -0700 Seeker seeker5...@comcast.net wrote: As you can see, there are two directories, but how to view contents of them I have no clue. Enter, P, Right does nothing. In text based programs one dot represents the current directory, two dots represents one level up from the current directory. When you hit 'P' in testdisk to list the contents of the partition, it starts you in the root of the parition. So no list of files and folders indicates no files and folders are recognized in the partition it is showing you. Being at the root of the partition there are no levels above to go to when selecting the two dots and hitting 'enter'. Was this after a deep scan? After deep scan I got one FAT partition 32 MB in size, what is it and what it has to do with NTFS I also have no clue. The error message from the mount attempt was attempting to mount a partition as ntfs. It's fairly common for drives to ship with one small parition to hold the software that ships with the drive and a larger partition for backup/data storage. Often the small partition would be FAT and the large one NTFS. I think that physically ok. I just was installing Lubuntu to my computer and forgot to unplug this USB drive and installer probed it and done to it something nasty. As Murphy said Anything that can happen, will happen. Could have been a bug in the installer, could be something else that just happened to occur during the Lubuntu install process. Thank you for the effort explaining all that to me. Have a great day. Good luck, if photorec doesn't do it for you either, I have used the Windows version of R-Studio with some success. Have not tried the Linux version and the version I have is old so looks quite a bit different that the screen shots at at the web site. There is a trial version so you can see if it will at least show you some files. http://www.r-studio.com/data_recovery_linux/Download.shtml Don't know about this next one, no Linux version, but looks like they have a trial available as a bootable disk. http://www.prosofteng.com/datarescuepc3/datarescuepcdemo/ Just downloaded it, it's provided as a zip file that extracts to a .exe file, so it may or may not do what it needs to to create a bootable disk in Wine. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55419b30.6050...@comcast.net
Re: Help with TestDisk
On 4/28/2015 6:09 PM, German wrote: My USB drive won't mount. I tried TestDisk, but I am not sure what to do and how to procede. Are there any experts out there with TestDisk knowledge? Also, if there are, could anyone tell me what is good site to attach screenshots? Thanks The testdisk web site has a pretty good sample session so you can see what it should look like. http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55403ca5.5050...@comcast.net
Re: Help with TestDisk
On 4/28/2015 8:03 PM, German wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:06:29 -0700 Seeker seeker5...@comcast.net wrote: On 4/28/2015 6:09 PM, German wrote: My USB drive won't mount. I tried TestDisk, but I am not sure what to do and how to procede. Are there any experts out there with TestDisk knowledge? Also, if there are, could anyone tell me what is good site to attach screenshots? Thanks The testdisk web site has a pretty good sample session so you can see what it should look like. http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step Later, Seeker It is still confusing. Here where I got stucked. Maybe someone can chime in. Thanks. http://forum.cgsecurity.org/phpBB3/help-with-restoring-usb-drive-t4953.html Right from the beginning this sounds bad /Input/output error// //Failed to read of MFT, mft=17625 count=1 br=-1: Input/output error// //Inode is corrupt (5): Input/output error// //Index root attribute missing in directory inode 5: Input/output error// //Failed to mount '/dev/sdc1': Input/output error/ MFT tables are low level indexes in the NTFS file system, if they can't be read that's a big issue. The screenshot here http://forum.cgsecurity.org/phpBB3/help-with-restoring-usb-drive-t4953.html#p15748 looks like you already got the partition list and hit 'P' to see a list of files. You should be seeing a list of files and directories at that point, none are visible in the screenshot, another bad sign. Was this after a deep scan? Was the partition listed more than once, and if so did you try to view the files in all listings for the partition? If the cradle for the goflex has SATA connectors that plug into the HDD like the one shown here... http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-GoFlex-Desktop-Adapter-PCI-Express/dp/B00HWZ6OYC My next step, would be to plug the goflex in to the SATA power and data cable in a desktop system. When plugged in on USB more is done in software, the SATA controller on the motherboard is better able to recover from errors if there is more going on than just filesystem corruption. I've dealt with a few of the goflex drives and had to shave the plastic on the SATA power and data cable with a razor blade to get them to fit into the connectors on the drive without taking the enclosure apart. Typically at this point I would run the Gnome disk utility, and do a full smart test on the hard drive. If the drive already has errors recorded that the disk utility doesn't like it may give you an indication of this when you run it. You can also view a list of Smart data in the disk utility. Pending remaps and uncorrectable errors are a couple of the more significant things to look at. Sector remaps only happen on a write, so a handful of pending I would not consider an automatic failure, if you are getting into the neighborhood of ten or more I would question the reliability of the drive. This could be done from the command line with smartmon tools, but I'm not familiar with it's usage. If the disk physically looks good, then I would try testdisk again. If you can get access to the files, you want to have another drive ready to copy the files to or enough free space on the drive you are running from to hold the files. If you get an indication that the disk is failing, then the question of how important the data is to you comes into play, poking at a disk that is physically failing could reduce the chance of a professional data recovery service being able to recover the files. If testdisk still doesn't show you and files and directories, then I would try photorec. Photorec doesn't do well with files that are fragmented, and if it can recognize files may give you numbers for names, instead of the actual file names, it does have a brute force option that will try to piece the file chains together and match the files to names. The brute force option has to be enabled before doing the scan. http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec_Step_By_Step If you use the brute force option be prepared for it to take days to analyze the partition. Later, Seeker
Re: Recommendation on video card?
On 4/24/2015 12:23 AM, Petter Adsen wrote: At some point I will probably also need to get a third screen, so something that has three outputs or would run nicely with a second video card that has additional outputs is a big bonus. I think the majority of cards have 3 outputs these days, more as you get into the mid to high end. If you have one or more monitors (especially if you have more than one) then you need to be aware of the difference between DVI-D and DVI-I http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/221/~/what-is-the-difference-between-dvi-i-and-dvi-d%3F Those little adapters that do DVI-D to 15 do not work. They must have some use, but I haven't found it yet. Anything with display port shout be able to do 4 monitors. Cards without display port, most likely, will only be able to display on 2 outputs at a time. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/553c4ebc.70...@comcast.net
Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?
On 4/13/2015 4:59 AM, Floris wrote: and I agree that the sentence You have to install all end-user applications later is incorrect. Even Iceweasel is a dependency of gnome-core. I didn't know that Mozilla is a part of gnome. Floris Epiphany is the Gnome web browser, apparently the Gnome devs just want you to call it 'web' now.:-\ https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Web Maybe the Debian devs didn't think people were drinking enough kool-aid for that, so opted for Fire Iceweasel instead. :-) Later, Seeker
Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?
On 4/12/2015 11:19 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Hi all. According to documentations, gnome-core package is considered to be the very minimal gnome installation in Debian. But in my personal experience it is not so. Just after installing Debian, I installed gnome-core just to have the minimal gnome installation. Then I noticed that totem, the video player, was also installed even though I hadn't. Since I use mplayer, I did `aptitude purge totem' and was surprised to see that gnome-core depended on totem, so that removing totem would also remove gnome-core. I did so, and now gnome desktop environment, even without gnome-core package, seems to work well. So I ask to myself what gnome minimal install should really be. I have Sid. Thanks for any help, Rodolfo That wording doesn't really compute in my brain, but I guess you could take it that if it is the only package that provides 'a' minimal install in Debian that would make it 'the' minimal install of Gnome in Debian. The package description doesn't say minimal or minimum it says... It contains the official “core” modules of the GNOME desktop. In the context of being a metapackage to install the gnome desktop I would expect many people would consider applications to view/play images, documents, and media to be likely candidates of a minimal install. A messaging application seems like a less likely application, but that goes back to what the Gnome developers consider core. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/552ac621.8020...@comcast.net
Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)
Apparently I saw the news about the news before the actual new. ;-) http://ostatic.com/blog/systemd-developers-fork-kernel-docker-package-management Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551b5a36.2060...@comcast.net
Re: Unattended upgrades, how do stable et al work after upgrade?
On 3/16/2015 10:53 PM, Seeker wrote: On 3/16/2015 3:57 AM, Tapio Lehtonen wrote: I can't understand how unattended upgrades continues to work after Jessi is stable. In wheezy the config file has origin=Debian,archive=stable,label=Debian-Security; origin=Debian,archive=oldstable,label=Debian-Security; I don't want to upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie immediately when Jessie is release. Sometime when version 8.1 or 8.2 comes might be a good time to upgrade. Meanwhile I would like the unattended-upgrades to keep Wheezy updated until I upgrade to Jessie. And I do not want unattended-upgrades to start installing packages from Jessie. I read about the changes made after Squeeze which indicate this setup does work in the above situation. But I do not understand how. Is there some mechanism that prevents updates from stable if the you distro codename is not the same as the installed distro? What happens if there is wheezy-lts like there is now Squeeze Long Term Support version. Would unattended-upgrades work, if I remove oldstable-lines and replace every string stable with wheezy? And after upgrading to Jessie, replace wheezy with jessie? If you don't have any packages from oldstable, then you don't need a a line that will try to pull in updates for oldstable. Unless you have stuff in your 'sources.list' 'sources.list.d/files' I'm not seeing where it's a requirement to specify which archives to pull from. Not enough proof reading. =-O The above should have bee... Unless you have extra stuff you don't want to update automatically in your 'sources.list' 'sources.list.d/files' I'm not seeing where it's a requirement to specify which archives to pull from. https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades But if you do specify, it's the same as sources.list. If you want to stick with stable, specify stable as the archive. If you want to stick with wheezy, specify wheezy as the archive. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5507c2f6.4040...@comcast.net
Re: Unattended upgrades, how do stable et al work after upgrade?
On 3/16/2015 3:57 AM, Tapio Lehtonen wrote: I can't understand how unattended upgrades continues to work after Jessi is stable. In wheezy the config file has origin=Debian,archive=stable,label=Debian-Security; origin=Debian,archive=oldstable,label=Debian-Security; I don't want to upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie immediately when Jessie is release. Sometime when version 8.1 or 8.2 comes might be a good time to upgrade. Meanwhile I would like the unattended-upgrades to keep Wheezy updated until I upgrade to Jessie. And I do not want unattended-upgrades to start installing packages from Jessie. I read about the changes made after Squeeze which indicate this setup does work in the above situation. But I do not understand how. Is there some mechanism that prevents updates from stable if the you distro codename is not the same as the installed distro? What happens if there is wheezy-lts like there is now Squeeze Long Term Support version. Would unattended-upgrades work, if I remove oldstable-lines and replace every string stable with wheezy? And after upgrading to Jessie, replace wheezy with jessie? If you don't have any packages from oldstable, then you don't need a a line that will try to pull in updates for oldstable. Unless you have stuff in your 'sources.list' 'sources.list.d/files' I'm not seeing where it's a requirement to specify which archives to pull from. https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades But if you do specify, it's the same as sources.list. If you want to stick with stable, specify stable as the archive. If you want to stick with wheezy, specify wheezy as the archive. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5507c154.1080...@comcast.net
Re: jessie: Firefox download dialog unusable
On 3/14/2015 12:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 14 March 2015 18:47:46 Ric Moore wrote: It's when you hit version 36 that it blows up. In what way? It seems not significantly worse than it was before. What is yet to happen to me? :-( Lisi Firefox is fine, Video Download Helper was not compatible with FF 36. On a laptop where I have Windows 10 VDH just updated to 5.0.1, which seems to work fine. Will have to try it on my Linux boxes now. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5504ee08.4030...@comcast.net
Re: jessie: Firefox download dialog unusable
On 3/14/2015 7:27 PM, Seeker wrote: On 3/14/2015 12:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 14 March 2015 18:47:46 Ric Moore wrote: It's when you hit version 36 that it blows up. In what way? It seems not significantly worse than it was before. What is yet to happen to me? :-( Lisi Firefox is fine, Video Download Helper was not compatible with FF 36. On a laptop where I have Windows 10 VDH just updated to 5.0.1, which seems to work fine. Will have to try it on my Linux boxes now. Later, Seeker PS. Don't know where the other download issue is coming from, maybe another FF addon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5504f04c.4010...@comcast.net
XFS: xfs_repair never finishes on lvm partition
Hi, I'm using Debian Lenny box with 2 hds. The first one is used by the OS and the second one is another system witch runs in virtual machine (Virtual Box). This virtual machine also runs Debian Lenny. The vm's hd has 2 fdisk partitions, one being LVM. On the last week, due a power failure, there was a corruption in the file system of my home xfs partition inside the LVM. When I tried to access it, my OS answered that it's not a file or a directory. Umounting and mounting again, the error persists. I tried an xfs_check and it said to mount and umount the filesystem and if it does not work to run xfs_repair with -L. I tried it a couple of times and it didn't work, so I ran xfs_repair -L /dev/mapper/storage-home On Phase 6, it just freezes in: bad hash table for directory inode 2147483859 (no data entry): rebuilding rebuilding directory inode 2147483859 And never finish. I let running for 2 days long. When I use ps to see the state: 2359 pts/0Sl+0:11 xfs_repair -L /dev/mapper/storage-home Interruptible sleep (waiting for an event to complete), multi threaded, in foreground. It just stoped when I sent an interrupt signal Ctrl+C. I tried to do the same from the host machine (real machine), since the HD could be accessed from it. The funniest thing is that the xfs_repair did not hang, but when I try to mount the partition it does not mount the full partition. An ls in the /mnt mounting /dev/storage/home (from host machine), doesn't show the /home, it shows a subdirectory from /home. And if I start again the Virtual Machine, it prints the same error: /home is not file or directory. Weird.. Some one have any idea, how to solve it? Thanks in advance Regards -- Knoseeker
Re: Apache2 chroot /dev/null permission denied
Thanks for the help. Doing what was asked I figured out and solved the problem. Another administrator added the option nodev to the partition of the chroot. Probably He did not umounted and mounted the partition after that and the service did not stopped, when we restart the machine, the problem appeared. One question. For security reasons, what the best mount options for the chroot partition? nosuid I already have. Is it advisable to have nodev on the chroot and mount another small /chroot/dev partition (maybe ramdisk), without the nodev option containing the null urandom and random devices? Thanks again. [ ]'s On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Mike Bird mgb-deb...@yosemite.net wrote: On Wed March 17 2010 19:00:35 Knowledge Seeker wrote: That is the problem. The permission is set to 666 and the group is root. But it still don't work. Please post the exact complete error message, and also the results of the following three commands run as root as soon as possible after the error occurs: # ls -dl /dev drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 6280 2010-03-14 11:16 /dev # ls -l /dev/null crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2010-03-14 11:15 /dev/null # su www-data -c 'ls -l /dev/null' crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2010-03-14 11:15 /dev/null Is there anything in your Apache config that might be trying to chroot? --Mike Bird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003181252.37677.mgb-deb...@yosemite.net -- Knoseeker
Apache2 chroot /dev/null permission denied
Hi, I have an old Debian Etch box, running Apache2 on chroot jail. Yesterday, (it sounds like joke) I turned off the machine and when I started it again the web server did not come to life again. The problem was a Permission Denied on the /dev/null. I created my device with the command: mknod -m 0666 /chroot/dev/null c 1 3 listing the permissions: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2010-03-16 18:37 null crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 8 2010-03-16 18:39 random crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 9 2010-03-16 18:39 urandom (When I change the group to sys, don't solve the problem) Even outside of the chroot when I try to echo something and redirect to this device I get the same message: -su: null: Permission Denied My kernel is the default: 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Everything worked fine 2 days ago. I really wish to understand and solve this issue. When I mount all /dev with a bind option, it works fine again, but I wouldn't want to have all my devices available inside chroot. I really appreciate any help. Thanks in advance -- Knoseeker
Re: Apache2 chroot /dev/null permission denied
That is the problem. The permission is set to 666 and the group is root. But it still don't work. On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Wayne linux...@gmail.com wrote: Knowledge Seeker wrote: Hi, I have an old Debian Etch box, running Apache2 on chroot jail. Yesterday, (it sounds like joke) I turned off the machine and when I started it again the web server did not come to life again. The problem was a Permission Denied on the /dev/null. I created my device with the command: mknod -m 0666 /chroot/dev/null c 1 3 listing the permissions: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2010-03-16 18:37 null crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 8 2010-03-16 18:39 random crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 9 2010-03-16 18:39 urandom (When I change the group to sys, don't solve the problem) Even outside of the chroot when I try to echo something and redirect to this device I get the same message: -su: null: Permission Denied My kernel is the default: 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Everything worked fine 2 days ago. I really wish to understand and solve this issue. When I mount all /dev with a bind option, it works fine again, but I I ran into that after an upgrade on squeeze a few months ago. As a result a few programs would not run. The atd daemon was the only one I cared about. Don't know, yet, what caused it but the fix was to put the following into /root/.bash_profile. chmod 666 /dev/null chgrp root /dev/null /etc/init.d/atd restart HTH Wayne -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ba16444.4010...@gmail.com -- Knoseeker
RPC passing more than 16 Groups
Hi folks, I'm using NFS to serve files to my Debian clients and some users are in more than 16 groups. I know RPC just pass the firts 16 groups and I need more than it. On Debian the NGROUPS_MAX is set to 65536, searching on libc6-dev, I found a NGRPS on /usr/include/rpc/auth_unix.h, that is set explicit to 16. So, I changed this value to 64 and rebuild the packages: portmap, nfs-common and librpc (and their dependencies) on client, and on the server I rebuild all those ones plus nfs-kernel-server. But it didn't work. What else I need to rebuild or changes I shold do, in which files? Thanks in Advance. -- Knoseeker
Re: qemu does not start
On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 18:19 +0200, Misko wrote: Since it run fine by root I guess there are some permission problem, but can not find where. My question is why normal user can not create tap0 device and how to fix this. I have not messed with this type of stuff for a while, never really understood it that much either, but. Looks like this is covered in: http://www.friedhoff.org/fscaps.html#Qemu : but it looks like the preferred solutions these days would be to use VDE: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2005-06/txtDAJWgugtC1.txt Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 display terribly slow after upgrade
On Sun, 2007-04-22 at 20:46 +0200, Zlatko Calusic wrote: I'm using lenny/sid distribution. Few days ago, after Xorg packages got upgraded to 1.3.0, display became very slow. Every redrawing, every scroll, it's all slow. On one machine it's actually unusable (Radeon Xpress 200M), on this one (Radeon 9500 Pro) it's just very slugish and annoying, feels like I'm running on P166 (instead of E6600). Works fine for me with Radeon 9500 Pro using the mesa/ati driver. Have not used fglrx for a while. It messin' with me at first, but it turns out I had some some old manually moved or installed libdri stuff in a different directory than is currently used that was conflicting, DOH! But before I found that out I ran: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg : You might try that if it didn't ask you for any configuration when you upgraded. I did notice also that even though on the reconfigure it asks what modules to load, there is no module section in my xorg.conf file, so it seems to be taking advantage of the new autodetection stuff, may be an area to investigate. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg: I refuse to do it and you can't make me!
On Sun, 2007-04-15 at 22:56 -0400, Carl Fink wrote: update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/navigator corrupt: priority /usr/lib/netscape/477x/navigator/navigator-smotif 477x0 update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/netscape corrupt: priority /usr/lib/netscape/477x/navigator/navigator-smotif 477x0 dpkg: error processing navigator-smotif-477 (--remove): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: navigator-smotif-477 That's a fine example of useless messages. How is anyone supposed to know It tells you there is a problem updating the alternative as opposed to some cryptic code you that you have to dig around for just to find out what the code means. What else do you want from an error message? It turns out that deleting the file /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/netscape fixes this problem -- but why should I have to figure that out? The average user, especially a new user, will react by freezing up. A little late to try now, but. The dpkg man page show there being a force-help option and 'dpkg --force-help' shows there being an overwrite-diverted option, which might lead one to think using the command 'dpkg -i --force-overwrite-diverted [some packages]' has some potential to correct the problem. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
