Re: Hi, I'm using Neptune os. I'm new to Debian. I got it it successfully installsd, how do I setup network?

[David Wright]

On Fri 24 Nov 2023 at 23:52:29 (+), Chris Goody wrote:
> Neptune is based on Debian, I cant also activate my wired connection via USB 
> tethering. It says actives. But not fully on.

My notes say the following:

Connect phone with USB cable. Pull down notifications:
Tap USB,
Tap again for other uses,
Tap USB tethering.

On the computer, ifupdown is installed (the debian-installer default).
Root wrote this file:

  $ cat /etc/network/interfaces.d/tethered
  allow-hotplug usb0
  iface usb0 inet dhcp
  $ 

  # ifup usb0

  $ ip r
  default via 192.168.50.93 dev usb0 
  192.168.50.0/24 dev usb0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.50.231 
  $ 

When finished:

  # ifdown usb0

On the phone, deselect USB tethering button.
(This may require selecting something else, like Charging Only.)
Remove cable.

(Leave ifupdown and interfaces.d/tethered.)

Cheers,
David.

Hi, I'm using Neptune os. I'm new to Debian. I got it it successfully installsd, how do I setup network?

[Chris Goody]

Neptune is based on Debian, I cant also activate my wired connection via USB 
tethering. It says actives. But not fully on.


I use Realtek drivers and rtw89.

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Re: hi res pdf needs posterized

[gene heskett]

On 4/17/23 16:41, Peter Ehlert wrote:


On 4/17/23 12:02, Fred wrote:

On 4/17/23 11:55, gene heskett wrote:

Greetings all printing experts;

I have an extremely high res pdf of a 3d printer controller board.
I need to print it in the same or close, resolution I can see it on 
screen in libreoffice draw. But its equ to 26" wide! So the ideal 
printout would be posterized on 2 sheets of photo paper at about 85% 
size. But I can't find a poster recipe in OO-draw.


What the next best way to handle such a pdf to get an image big 
enough to easily read pin numbers etc ? cut in half down the middle 
and put on 2 pages of foto paper would be ideal. poster reads like it 
but expects ps  or better eps src. I found pdfposter but it will not 
accept letter as a -m BOX definition. This image it claim will be 
rotated to portrait mode, and 2 8.5x11 pages high laid landscape 
would be just right with -s .80 option to reduce the height to 2 page 
tall.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.

Hi Gene,

If you live close to a large city there will be printing shops that 
serve surveyors that can print large format files. 

exactly
in California the mandated size is 18" x 26" for subdivision maps of 
various flavors.

engineering drawings are variable, 24" x 36" is really common.
I used to have a 36" printer that used 36" wide roll stock, but when it 
died I went to 24"... then after I "retired"
later I started using a Kikos or some such... email them the file, pick 
up the product at the store.

dunno who is better, but lots of people shop it out.

Some Office Max stores can also print large format files.

Best regards,
Fred
There may be something in Clarksburg or Bridgeport that could do that, 
but my truck gets 14.4 mpg and it is a 50+ mile round trip. I have a 
printer that can do tabloid if pushed, but does an excellent job on 
8.5x11 photo paper. And it is done. ;o)>





.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/>

Re: hi res pdf needs posterized

[Peter Ehlert]

On 4/17/23 12:02, Fred wrote:

On 4/17/23 11:55, gene heskett wrote:

Greetings all printing experts;

I have an extremely high res pdf of a 3d printer controller board.
I need to print it in the same or close, resolution I can see it on 
screen in libreoffice draw. But its equ to 26" wide! So the ideal 
printout would be posterized on 2 sheets of photo paper at about 85% 
size. But I can't find a poster recipe in OO-draw.


What the next best way to handle such a pdf to get an image big 
enough to easily read pin numbers etc ? cut in half down the middle 
and put on 2 pages of foto paper would be ideal. poster reads like it 
but expects ps  or better eps src. I found pdfposter but it will not 
accept letter as a -m BOX definition. This image it claim will be 
rotated to portrait mode, and 2 8.5x11 pages high laid landscape 
would be just right with -s .80 option to reduce the height to 2 page 
tall.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.

Hi Gene,

If you live close to a large city there will be printing shops that 
serve surveyors that can print large format files. 

exactly
in California the mandated size is 18" x 26" for subdivision maps of 
various flavors.

engineering drawings are variable, 24" x 36" is really common.
I used to have a 36" printer that used 36" wide roll stock, but when it 
died I went to 24"... then after I "retired"
later I started using a Kikos or some such... email them the file, pick 
up the product at the store.

dunno who is better, but lots of people shop it out.

Some Office Max stores can also print large format files.

Best regards,
Fred

Re: hi res pdf needs posterized

[Fred]

On 4/17/23 11:55, gene heskett wrote:

Greetings all printing experts;

I have an extremely high res pdf of a 3d printer controller board.
I need to print it in the same or close, resolution I can see it on 
screen in libreoffice draw. But its equ to 26" wide! So the ideal 
printout would be posterized on 2 sheets of photo paper at about 85% 
size. But I can't find a poster recipe in OO-draw.


What the next best way to handle such a pdf to get an image big enough 
to easily read pin numbers etc ? cut in half down the middle and put on 
2 pages of foto paper would be ideal. poster reads like it but expects 
ps  or better eps src. I found pdfposter but it will not accept letter 
as a -m BOX definition. This image it claim will be rotated to portrait 
mode, and 2 8.5x11 pages high laid landscape would be just right with -s 
.80 option to reduce the height to 2 page tall.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.

Hi Gene,

If you live close to a large city there will be printing shops that 
serve surveyors that can print large format files.  Some Office Max 
stores can also print large format files.


Best regards,
Fred

Re: hi res pdf needs posterized

[gene heskett]

On 4/17/23 15:07, Dan Ritter wrote:

gene heskett wrote:

Greetings all printing experts;

I have an extremely high res pdf of a 3d printer controller board.
I need to print it in the same or close, resolution I can see it on screen
in libreoffice draw. But its equ to 26" wide! So the ideal printout would be
posterized on 2 sheets of photo paper at about 85% size. But I can't find a
poster recipe in OO-draw.

What the next best way to handle such a pdf to get an image big enough to
easily read pin numbers etc ? cut in half down the middle and put on 2 pages
of foto paper would be ideal. poster reads like it but expects ps  or better
eps src. I found pdfposter but it will not accept letter as a -m BOX
definition. This image it claim will be rotated to portrait mode, and 2
8.5x11 pages high laid landscape would be just right with -s .80 option to
reduce the height to 2 page tall.


The package mupdf-tools has mutool, which has a poster
subcommand with:

-x: this many horizontal pieces
-y: this many vertical pieces

and -r for resolution, -h and -w for height and width
specifications.

-dsr-
.

Very very close to what I wanted, Dan, better than I expected in fact.

Thank you a bunch.  The help screen says -x and -y is the decimation 
value so I told it .8 for both, okular then printed the out.pdf as 2 
landscape pages missing about 1/16" at the junction then I gave it a -s 
.75, but it must query the printer for exact paper size and I now have 2 
identical copies of 2 pages each in glorious color. Very helpful.


Take care & stay well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: hi res pdf needs posterized

[Dan Ritter]

gene heskett wrote: 
> Greetings all printing experts;
> 
> I have an extremely high res pdf of a 3d printer controller board.
> I need to print it in the same or close, resolution I can see it on screen
> in libreoffice draw. But its equ to 26" wide! So the ideal printout would be
> posterized on 2 sheets of photo paper at about 85% size. But I can't find a
> poster recipe in OO-draw.
> 
> What the next best way to handle such a pdf to get an image big enough to
> easily read pin numbers etc ? cut in half down the middle and put on 2 pages
> of foto paper would be ideal. poster reads like it but expects ps  or better
> eps src. I found pdfposter but it will not accept letter as a -m BOX
> definition. This image it claim will be rotated to portrait mode, and 2
> 8.5x11 pages high laid landscape would be just right with -s .80 option to
> reduce the height to 2 page tall.

The package mupdf-tools has mutool, which has a poster
subcommand with:

-x: this many horizontal pieces
-y: this many vertical pieces

and -r for resolution, -h and -w for height and width
specifications.

-dsr-

hi res pdf needs posterized

[gene heskett]

Greetings all printing experts;

I have an extremely high res pdf of a 3d printer controller board.
I need to print it in the same or close, resolution I can see it on 
screen in libreoffice draw. But its equ to 26" wide! So the ideal 
printout would be posterized on 2 sheets of photo paper at about 85% 
size. But I can't find a poster recipe in OO-draw.


What the next best way to handle such a pdf to get an image big enough 
to easily read pin numbers etc ? cut in half down the middle and put on 
2 pages of foto paper would be ideal. poster reads like it but expects 
ps  or better eps src. I found pdfposter but it will not accept letter 
as a -m BOX definition. This image it claim will be rotated to portrait 
mode, and 2 8.5x11 pages high laid landscape would be just right with 
-s .80 option to reduce the height to 2 page tall.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: need kino. or a substitute that can work with a sony hi-8 metal 720 by handicam.

[Anssi Saari]

gene heskett  writes:

> What happened to kino? That was an all in one package, and while
> kdenlive is pretty, it can't capture from the camera...

Looks like kino has died. The last version is currently in unstable
though, apparently there has been some issue that made it impossible to
include it in Bullseye and Bookworm.

The same devs produced the program dvgrab and that's still in Debian,
maybe you could use that to grab video from the camera? Looks like a
command line tool though.

Possibly you could also install kino from Buster but that's a bit of a
Hail Mary. I have done that a couple of times to run some software
available in a previous Debian release.

Re: need kino. or a substitute that can work with a sony hi-8metal720 by handicam.

[gene heskett]

On 1/11/23 18:25, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 5:47 PM Klaus Singvogel
 wrote:


gene heskett wrote:

Installed all that I *think* about 30 pkgs, dmesg says new device fw1, and
it exists now in /dev/, but VLC can't open device, see logs but other than
the plug in report, no connection.


The advice of Jeffrey Walton to change the permission would be my first help 
too.

fw1 indicates to be a FireWire device, so I'm out; never possessed one.

But I stumble about the uncommon naming: usually it's fw0, not fw1.
Do you have a second FireWire device already plugged in, or can the naming 
somehow else be explained (by slot number)?
If not, I would suggest a reboot of the machine, because I assume a jam in the 
kernel then.

But as said, no experience here.

Maybe someone else can step in?


It didn't occur to me fw was firewire. According to this old Ubuntu
page, there is a firewire group.[1] I can't find a similar Debian wiki
page.

If Gene is already in the firewire group, then I would look at udev
rules. udev may be setting permissions to root:root instead of
root:firewire.


Its setting perms to root:video, and video does not exist in /etc/group.

Now what?

Thank you.



[1] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FireWire/oldPages/Firewire01

Jeff

.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: need kino. or a substitute that can work with a sony hi-8metal720 by handicam.

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 06:45:15PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> fw0 is probably the card itself, fw0 is still there if the camera is
> unplugged. And has been there since 12/23/22 when I last rebooted. I have to
> plug it into the camera AND turn it on to get fw1.  Owned by root:video, and
> there is no user "video" in /etc/group or /etc/passwd. WT 

There should be a group named video in /etc/group.  This is a standard
Debian group name, placed there during installation.  It originates in
the /usr/share/base-passwd/group.master file, and is copied to /etc/group
by the base-passwd.postinst script, if the /etc/group file is not
already present.

During a standard installation, the "initial user" (the one created during
installation, with UID 1000) gets added to this group.

unicorn:~$ grep video /etc/group
video:x:44:greg

Perhaps you're looking at one of your non-Debian systems, in which case
the groups may be different.

Re: need kino. or a substitute that can work with a sony hi-8metal720 by handicam.

[gene heskett]

On 1/11/23 17:47, Klaus Singvogel wrote:

gene heskett wrote:

Installed all that I *think* about 30 pkgs, dmesg says new device fw1, and
it exists now in /dev/, but VLC can't open device, see logs but other than
the plug in report, no connection.


The advice of Jeffrey Walton to change the permission would be my first help 
too.

fw1 indicates to be a FireWire device, so I'm out; never possessed one.

But I stumble about the uncommon naming: usually it's fw0, not fw1.
fw0 is probably the card itself, fw0 is still there if the camera is 
unplugged. And has been there since 12/23/22 when I last rebooted. I 
have to plug it into the camera AND turn it on to get fw1.  Owned by 
root:video, and there is no user "video" in /etc/group or /etc/passwd. 
WT 



Do you have a second FireWire device already plugged in, or can the naming 
somehow else be explained (by slot number)?
If not, I would suggest a reboot of the machine, because I assume a jam in the 
kernel then.

But as said, no experience here.

Maybe someone else can step in?

Best regards,
Klaus.




Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: need kino. or a substitute that can work with a sony hi-8 metal720 by handicam.

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 5:47 PM Klaus Singvogel
 wrote:
>
> gene heskett wrote:
> > Installed all that I *think* about 30 pkgs, dmesg says new device fw1, and
> > it exists now in /dev/, but VLC can't open device, see logs but other than
> > the plug in report, no connection.
>
> The advice of Jeffrey Walton to change the permission would be my first help 
> too.
>
> fw1 indicates to be a FireWire device, so I'm out; never possessed one.
>
> But I stumble about the uncommon naming: usually it's fw0, not fw1.
> Do you have a second FireWire device already plugged in, or can the naming 
> somehow else be explained (by slot number)?
> If not, I would suggest a reboot of the machine, because I assume a jam in 
> the kernel then.
>
> But as said, no experience here.
>
> Maybe someone else can step in?

It didn't occur to me fw was firewire. According to this old Ubuntu
page, there is a firewire group.[1] I can't find a similar Debian wiki
page.

If Gene is already in the firewire group, then I would look at udev
rules. udev may be setting permissions to root:root instead of
root:firewire.

[1] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FireWire/oldPages/Firewire01

Jeff

Re: need kino. or a substitute that can work with a sony hi-8 metal720 by handicam.

[Klaus Singvogel]

gene heskett wrote:
> Installed all that I *think* about 30 pkgs, dmesg says new device fw1, and
> it exists now in /dev/, but VLC can't open device, see logs but other than
> the plug in report, no connection.

The advice of Jeffrey Walton to change the permission would be my first help 
too.

fw1 indicates to be a FireWire device, so I'm out; never possessed one.

But I stumble about the uncommon naming: usually it's fw0, not fw1.
Do you have a second FireWire device already plugged in, or can the naming 
somehow else be explained (by slot number)?
If not, I would suggest a reboot of the machine, because I assume a jam in the 
kernel then.

But as said, no experience here.

Maybe someone else can step in?

Best regards,
Klaus.


-- 
Klaus Singvogel
GnuPG-Key-ID: 1024R/5068792D  1994-06-27

Re: need kino. or a substitute that can work with a sony hi-8 metal720 by handicam.

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 3:08 PM gene heskett  wrote:
>
> On 1/11/23 12:17, Klaus Singvogel wrote:
> > gene heskett wrote:
> >> What happened to kino? That was an all in one package, and while kdenlive 
> >> is
> >> pretty, it can't capture from the camera...
> >
> > Thought everyone is using VLC for video stuff.
> > At least vlc is capable to do so, see screenshot.
> >
> Installed all that I *think* about 30 pkgs, dmesg says new device fw1,
> and it exists now in /dev/, but VLC can't open device, see logs but
> other than the plug in report, no connection.
>
> I'm plumb green as grass. And spoiled by my experience with kino from
> years back. Help!

I would check which group owns the new device in /dev, and then make
sure you are part of that group.

I often encounter a similar problem when trying to use a modem for
Caller Id. I forget to put myself in the dialout group, and I can't
open the modem.

Jeff

Re: need kino. or a substitute that can work with a sony hi-8 metal720 by handicam.

[gene heskett]

On 1/11/23 12:17, Klaus Singvogel wrote:

gene heskett wrote:

What happened to kino? That was an all in one package, and while kdenlive is
pretty, it can't capture from the camera...


Thought everyone is using VLC for video stuff.
At least vlc is capable to do so, see screenshot.

Best regards,
Klaus.
Installed all that I *think* about 30 pkgs, dmesg says new device fw1, 
and it exists now in /dev/, but VLC can't open device, see logs but 
other than the plug in report, no connection.


I'm plumb green as grass. And spoiled by my experience with kino from 
years back. Help!


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: need kino. or a substitute that can work with a sony hi-8 metal 720 by handicam.

[Klaus Singvogel]

gene heskett wrote:
> What happened to kino? That was an all in one package, and while kdenlive is
> pretty, it can't capture from the camera...

Thought everyone is using VLC for video stuff.
At least vlc is capable to do so, see screenshot.

Best regards,
Klaus.
-- 
Klaus Singvogel
GnuPG-Key-ID: 1024R/5068792D  1994-06-27

need kino. or a substitute that can work with a sony hi-8 metal 720 by handicam.

[gene heskett]

What happened to kino? That was an all in one package, and while 
kdenlive is pretty, it can't capture from the camera...


Thanks all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: Hi there, test only, please ignore

[David Wright]

On Mon 21 Jun 2021 at 15:39:24 (-0400), Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> On 2021-06-21 3:31 p.m., David Wright wrote:
> > On Thu 17 Jun 2021 at 09:54:44 (-0700), James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> >> On 6/17/21 1:25 AM, Grzesiek wrote:
> >>> test
> >>
> >> I got your test message. As it happens, we just went live with DMARC,
> >> and have reason to do some testing ourselves.
> > 
> > I need to do some testing too. For 10 months I haven't been able to
> > submit via my email hosting server, and since Saturday I can't submit
> > via my ISP. Just this email list.
> > 
> Only this list sends me a huge amount of error regarding DMARC but no
> other email server does !

Well /my/ problem with debian-user is that when my hosting service's
outgoing server connects, debian immediately initiates making an email
connection in the reverse direction. For one reason of another, that
fails, so the post is rejected. Of course, I don't find out about it
for several days. That started happening last August.

So I switched to using my ISP for submission. Then in May, they
changed their policy so that the envelope sender had to match their
email servers (which I don't use). I made that change, which worked
until Saturday morning, when emails to debian-user were rejected for
a Sender's Domain problem, only — err: (1) the domain is their own,
and (2) I could post to a different list using exactly the same
authentication methods.

So the test mail I sent was actually to get some debuglevel 5 output
from mutt to send to my ISP, contrasting debian-user with the list
that worked. I'm guessing I wasn't alone, and Monday morning's shift
corrected a Friday evening cockup after someone had reported it.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Hi there, test only, please ignore

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-06-21 3:31 p.m., David Wright wrote:
> On Thu 17 Jun 2021 at 09:54:44 (-0700), James H. H. Lampert wrote:
>> On 6/17/21 1:25 AM, Grzesiek wrote:
>>> test
>>
>> I got your test message. As it happens, we just went live with DMARC,
>> and have reason to do some testing ourselves.
> 
> I need to do some testing too. For 10 months I haven't been able to
> submit via my email hosting server, and since Saturday I can't submit
> via my ISP. Just this email list.
> 
Only this list sends me a huge amount of error regarding DMARC but no
other email server does !
> Cheers,
> David.
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development



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Re: Hi there, test only, please ignore

[David Wright]

On Thu 17 Jun 2021 at 09:54:44 (-0700), James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> On 6/17/21 1:25 AM, Grzesiek wrote:
> > test
> 
> I got your test message. As it happens, we just went live with DMARC,
> and have reason to do some testing ourselves.

I need to do some testing too. For 10 months I haven't been able to
submit via my email hosting server, and since Saturday I can't submit
via my ISP. Just this email list.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Hi there, test only, please ignore

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 6/17/21 1:25 AM, Grzesiek wrote:

test


I got your test message. As it happens, we just went live with DMARC, 
and have reason to do some testing ourselves.


--
JHHL

Hi there, test only, please ignore

[Grzesiek]

test

Re: Hi performance computing [was: potus blah blah]

[Dan Ritter]

Nicholas Geovanis wrote: 
> Now it must be said :-)
> In 1998 I was running usenet's 19th largest NNTP transit point. On a
> discarded Pentium with a 100Mbit ethernet card for external comms.
> Luckily I could attach it to a full-duplex port on a router, not
> half-duplex. Way more effective bandwidth :-D

Was that by... let me think -- Chris Adams at uunet's accounting
of NNTP traffic?

-dsr-

Re: Hi performance computing [was: potus blah blah]

[Nicholas Geovanis]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 3:31 AM  wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 06:19:28PM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, 6:05 PM Dan Ritter  wrote:
> > >
> > > > John Hasler wrote:
> > > > > It's also important to understand that NNTP is a peer to peer
> protocol.
> > > > > Any group of NNTP servers configured to connect to each other form
> a
> > > > > network.  Anyone can run an NNTP server.  While it once required a
> VAX
> > > > > with a T1 to act as a Usenet "backbone" site any desktop with
> broadband
> > > > > can easily handle it now.
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > A Raspberry Pi is overkill.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Then my Arduino Mega is full-on High Performance Computing 
> >
> > By the standards of 1975, it is a minicomputer suitable for
> > supporting a business with four terminals: accounting, sales,
> > secretarial, and production.
>
> To resurrect another paleontological meme (the older among us
> will know): "can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these?" [1],
> [2] (How time passes: ref [2] tells me the joke was already
> "pathetic" and "died a long time ago" in... 2005 :-)
>

Now it must be said :-)
In 1998 I was running usenet's 19th largest NNTP transit point. On a
discarded Pentium with a 100Mbit ethernet card for external comms.
Luckily I could attach it to a full-duplex port on a router, not
half-duplex. Way more effective bandwidth :-D

(Trying to quench a zombie thread with a zombie meme might lead
> to something... interesting, don't you think?)
>
> Cheers
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf_cluster
> [2]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Beowulf_cluster#What_Is_Funny_About_.2F._Jokes.3F
>
>  - t
>

Hi performance computing [was: potus blah blah]

[tomas]

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 06:19:28PM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Nicholas Geovanis wrote: 
> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, 6:05 PM Dan Ritter  wrote:
> > 
> > > John Hasler wrote:
> > > > It's also important to understand that NNTP is a peer to peer protocol.
> > > > Any group of NNTP servers configured to connect to each other form a
> > > > network.  Anyone can run an NNTP server.  While it once required a VAX
> > > > with a T1 to act as a Usenet "backbone" site any desktop with broadband
> > > > can easily handle it now.
> > >
> > > 
> > > A Raspberry Pi is overkill.
> > >
> > 
> > Then my Arduino Mega is full-on High Performance Computing 
> 
> By the standards of 1975, it is a minicomputer suitable for
> supporting a business with four terminals: accounting, sales,
> secretarial, and production.

To resurrect another paleontological meme (the older among us
will know): "can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these?" [1],
[2] (How time passes: ref [2] tells me the joke was already
"pathetic" and "died a long time ago" in... 2005 :-)

(Trying to quench a zombie thread with a zombie meme might lead
to something... interesting, don't you think?)

Cheers

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf_cluster
[2] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Beowulf_cluster#What_Is_Funny_About_.2F._Jokes.3F

 - t


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Re: Use of ^Hi^Hn^Hs^Ht^Ha^Hl^Hl^He^Hr^H'^Hs interactive shells on tty1-tty4

[Felix Miata]

Stefan Monnier composed on 2020-09-14 13:11 (UTC-0400):

> My recent experience is that I'm unable to predict which VC will be used
> for what any more (it used to be that the GUI sessions were in F7 and
> up, but nowadays it's usually F2 and up, tho on some of my machines it
> seems it's still F7 and up, ... go figure), so I just try them in
> sequence until I find one that seems to show me what I'm looking for.

Which DEs?

Gnome/GDM as default on Fedora led the change. KDE/SDDM did not follow GDM's 
lead.

On those still using 7 for the GUI, 1 has acquired one or two behavioral
differences from 2-6. I always use 2 & 3, avoiding 1, a practice inherited from 
my
desire to leave init text untouched unless I run out of ttys and need a sixth.
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion,
is based on faith, not on science.

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Re: Can one install packages from Parrot or Kali on Debian testing? (Was: Re: Hi :))

[Andrew Cater]

Parrot and Kali both have their own support lists. Kali, in particular, use
a modified Debian testing as the basis of their rolling release but modify
kernels and other packages. In general, people would suggest not mixing
Debian stable and Debian testing. Using packages from another
Debian-derived distribution risks creating a "FrankenDebian" that you can't
control and can't readily fix without removing significant numbers of
packages: this also applies to Ubuntu and, especially, Ubuntu PPAs mixed
with Debian.

All the very best

Andy C

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwiczpvn0-DrAhWTA2MBHUrsDXwQFjAAegQIARAB=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.debian.org%2FDontBreakDebian=AOvVaw2uYNQvEqW0ju-bH_QNSw08


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:35 AM Andy Smith  wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> Your question is one of user support but you've sent it to the
> debian-project list, which is about the Debian project itself and
> not for asking user questions. So, I have directed replies to the
> correct place which is debian-user.
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 04:14:35PM -0400, richard loomis wrote:
> > I have a question using debian 10 i noticed ive upgraded till theres no
> > more using testing,
>
> Use "testing" is probably for advanced users, but the question you
> ask below about mixing in things that aren't Debian suggests you are
> maybe not that familiar with Debian. Be careful!
>
> > when i add parrot os repos and kali linux repos theres tons of
> > upgrades knowing there using testing also, Is it safe to upgrade
> > debian 10 with there repos?
>
> No. You should not mix in things that aren't Debian into Debian
> without knowing exactly what you are doing. None of those things
> (Parrot, Kali) are designed to be installed on a Debian system. You
> will very likely break your entire system doing this. It may even
> appear to work for a while, but will break later in mysterious ways.
>
> See https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian for more details.
>
> In general, upgrading to newer versions of packages for no reason
> other than that they exist is not a good practice. You should have a
> reason for wanting a newer package than what exists in Debian
> testing. I recommend that if you do have such a need for specific
> newer packages, you install them individually from upstream
> following upstream's instructions.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
>

Can one install packages from Parrot or Kali on Debian testing? (Was: Re: Hi :))

[Andy Smith]

Hi Richard,

Your question is one of user support but you've sent it to the
debian-project list, which is about the Debian project itself and
not for asking user questions. So, I have directed replies to the
correct place which is debian-user.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 04:14:35PM -0400, richard loomis wrote:
> I have a question using debian 10 i noticed ive upgraded till theres no
> more using testing,

Use "testing" is probably for advanced users, but the question you
ask below about mixing in things that aren't Debian suggests you are
maybe not that familiar with Debian. Be careful!

> when i add parrot os repos and kali linux repos theres tons of
> upgrades knowing there using testing also, Is it safe to upgrade
> debian 10 with there repos?

No. You should not mix in things that aren't Debian into Debian
without knowing exactly what you are doing. None of those things
(Parrot, Kali) are designed to be installed on a Debian system. You
will very likely break your entire system doing this. It may even
appear to work for a while, but will break later in mysterious ways.

See https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian for more details.

In general, upgrading to newer versions of packages for no reason
other than that they exist is not a good practice. You should have a
reason for wanting a newer package than what exists in Debian
testing. I recommend that if you do have such a need for specific
newer packages, you install them individually from upstream
following upstream's instructions.

Cheers,
Andy

Re: Disc ssd no hi és

[Òscar Osta]

Hola,
També pots provar amb un live cd per descartar que sigui el sistema actual.

Salut,

Actiu dt, des 10, 2019 a 22:51, Teo-System Gmail  va 
escriure:

> Ho faré així a veure que passa.
> El meu agraïment Alex
>
> Salut
>
> El dt. 10 de 12 de 2019 a les 21:23 +0100, en/na Alex Muntada va escriure:
>
>> Hola Eugèni,
>>
>>> El primer s.o. és un disc hd que faig servir, el segon un s.o.
>>>
>>> en ssd que funcionava de perles i de sobte ha desaparegut.
>>>
>>> No està a bios (sata driver 0 none) i per tant quan tracte de
>>>
>>> cercar i reparar-lo és inútil perque no esta o al menys no
>>>
>>> apareix amb cap dels comandos per veure particions.
>>>
>>> De tant en tant pel seu compte fá acte de presència i arranca
>>>
>>> per tornar a estar missing aviat
>>
>> Jo apostaria perquè hi ha algun cable fluix o que el disc està
>>
>> realment fotut. Pots provar de treure'l i connectar-lo en un
>>
>> altre ordinador per confirmar si en l'altre passa el mateix,
>>
>> cosa que voldria dir que el que falla és el disc.
>>
>> Salut!
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> --
>>
>> ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
>>
>> ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁   Alex Muntada <
>>
>> al...@debian.org
>>
>>>
>>
>> ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋   Debian Developer  log.alexm.org
>>
>> ⠈⠳⣄

Re: Disc ssd no hi és

[Teo-System Gmail]

Ho faré així a veure que passa.El meu agraïment Alex
Salut


El dt. 10 de 12 de 2019 a les 21:23 +0100, en/na Alex Muntada va
escriure:
> Hola Eugèni,
> > El primer s.o. és un disc hd que faig servir, el segon un s.o.en
> > ssd que funcionava de perles i de sobte ha desaparegut.No està a
> > bios (sata driver 0 none) i per tant quan tracte decercar i
> > reparar-lo és inútil perque no esta o al menys noapareix amb cap
> > dels comandos per veure particions.De tant en tant pel seu compte
> > fá acte de presència i arrancaper tornar a estar missing aviat
> 
> Jo apostaria perquè hi ha algun cable fluix o que el disc
> estàrealment fotut. Pots provar de treure'l i connectar-lo en unaltre
> ordinador per confirmar si en l'altre passa el mateix,cosa que
> voldria dir que el que falla és el disc.
> Salut!Alex
> --  ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀  ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁   Alex Muntada   ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋   Debi
> an Developer  log.alexm.org  ⠈⠳⣄

Re: Disc ssd no hi és

[Alex Muntada]

Hola Eugèni,

> El primer s.o. és un disc hd que faig servir, el segon un s.o.
> en ssd que funcionava de perles i de sobte ha desaparegut.
> No està a bios (sata driver 0 none) i per tant quan tracte de
> cercar i reparar-lo és inútil perque no esta o al menys no
> apareix amb cap dels comandos per veure particions.
> De tant en tant pel seu compte fá acte de presència i arranca
> per tornar a estar missing aviat

Jo apostaria perquè hi ha algun cable fluix o que el disc està
realment fotut. Pots provar de treure'l i connectar-lo en un
altre ordinador per confirmar si en l'altre passa el mateix,
cosa que voldria dir que el que falla és el disc.

Salut!
Alex

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Re: Disc ssd no hi és

[Narcis Garcia]

A mi em dóna més la impressió d'un mal contacte físic. Has provat a
canviar el cable S.ATA ?




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El 10/12/19 a les 21:09, Teo-System Gmail ha escrit:
> Hola tinc un problema amb un dels dues s.o. que tinc en debian buster .
> El primer s.o. és un disc hd que faig servir , el segon un s.o. en ssd
> que funcionava de perles i de sobte ha desaparegut.
> No està a bios (sata driver 0 none) i per tant quan tracte de cercar i
> reparar-lo és inútil perque no esta o al menys no apareix amb cap dels
> comandos per veure particions.
> De tant en tant pel seu compte fá acte de presència i arranca per tornar
> a estar missing aviat , es una verdadera pena perque funciona molt
> millor que el hd que gaste.
> Me dona que la cosa vá de firmware , alguna actualització, no se ...
> El meu pc de sobretaula Think pad de lenovo. Alguna idea?.
> 
> Moltes gràcies per adelantat 
> 
> 
> 
> PD. Eugèni

Disc ssd no hi és

[Teo-System Gmail]

Hola tinc un problema amb un dels dues s.o. que tinc en debian buster .
El primer s.o. és un disc hd que faig servir , el segon un s.o. en ssd
que funcionava de perles i de sobte ha desaparegut.
No està a bios (sata driver 0 none) i per tant quan tracte de cercar i
reparar-lo és inútil perque no esta o al menys no apareix amb cap dels
comandos per veure particions.
De tant en tant pel seu compte fá acte de presència i arranca per
tornar a estar missing aviat , es una verdadera pena perque funciona
molt millor que el hd que gaste.
Me dona que la cosa vá de firmware , alguna actualització, no se ...
El meu pc de sobretaula Think pad de lenovo. Alguna idea?.

Moltes gràcies per adelantat 



PD. Eugèni

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Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Felix Miata]

rhkra...@gmail.com composed on 2016-09-15 07:28 (UTC-0400):


...  my only reason for writing is to suggest (to the OP) that he consider
using a fairly inexpensive digital flat screen tv as his monitor.  I currently
use a 1080P 32" T that I bought for under $200 (on sale, somewhere, sometime,
probably either Newegg or TigerDirect).



It has something like 1920x1280 resolution (which is enough resolution for
me)--lets me easily set up two large windows side by side on the screen.



When I installed Wheezy, iirc (some years ago), fonts were pretty good (i.e.,
plenty big enough) with little or no intervention.  When I recently built a
Jessie machine I did initially get some very small fonts and I had to do some
adjustment.



Things too small on a 32" TV--get a 40 or 48 or even bigger TV (although the
expense does go up)--again on sale, about 2 years ago I found a 48" TV for
about $250.


Using a TV is nice idea at least in theory. A virtually blind friend uses a 
42", seated at a pretty typical viewing distance, for Stretch and Leap. It 
takes me a lot of head movement to use. Most screens 20" & up are actually 
just small HDTVs (16:9 panels) with connections made for computers instead of 
TV, omitting any tuner, and commonly omitting speakers. However, larger may 
not be feasible:


1-boss provides hardware, so you get what you get, use it or get fired

2-space may be limited

3-personal field of view may be limited such that a bigger screen 
necessitates a large distance between eyes and screen


4-no money, must use whatever you already have

5-screens are designed for a certain range of viewing distances - 1080p is 
rather grainy when close enough to actually make typical default sizes 
adequate for someone using a big screen in order to make things big rather 
than providing room for more of similarly sized objects

--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

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Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[David Wright]

On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 07:28:16 (-0400), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> TL;DR (Too Long, Didn't Read)--I didn't anticipate ever using that little 
> abbreviation.
> 
> Anyway, my only reason for writing is to suggest (to the OP) that he consider 
> using a fairly inexpensive digital flat screen tv as his monitor.  I 
> currently 
> use a 1080P 32" T that I bought for under $200 (on sale, somewhere, sometime, 
> probably either Newegg or TigerDirect).
> 
> It has something like 1920x1280 resolution (which is enough resolution for 
> me)--lets me easily set up two large windows side by side on the screen.
> 
> When I installed Wheezy, iirc (some years ago), fonts were pretty good (i.e., 
> plenty big enough) with little or no intervention.  When I recently built a 
> Jessie machine I did initially get some very small fonts and I had to do some 
> adjustment.
> 
> Things too small on a 32" TV--get a 40 or 48 or even bigger TV (although the 
> expense does go up)--again on sale, about 2 years ago I found a 48" TV for 
> about $250.
> 
> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 05:11:26 AM Felix Miata wrote:
> > David Wright composed on 2016-09-14 22:59 (UTC-0500):
> > > On Wed 14 Sep 2016 at 05:43:24 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> > >> David Wright composed on 2016-09-13 13:36 (UTC-0500):

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00135.html
applies to laptops' own screens too.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[David Wright]

On Thu 15 Sep 2016 at 05:11:26 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> David Wright composed on 2016-09-14 22:59 (UTC-0500):
> 
> >On Wed 14 Sep 2016 at 05:43:24 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> 
> >>David Wright composed on 2016-09-13 13:36 (UTC-0500):
> 
> >The person to complain to about not being able to *read* small fonts is
> >your optician.
> 
> Thats presumptuous. There's only so much corrective lenses can do.
> More heroic correction may or may not be possible, or financially
> viable.

Please read the whole paragraph rather than deconstructing it and
criticising the parts. I personified the small fonts, hence the :).
If talking to a short person cricks your neck, better get a chair
rather than complain that the person should be taller.

> >The people to complain to about inappropriate use of small screen fonts
> >are the web designers who serve them up. However, is this practical?
> 
> Only on rare occasions.
> 
> >How many people are you going to complain to? How will you reach them?
> >Where do they work now?
> 
> Historically I've expended effort in various web design help forums
> trying to catch some while they're young enough to be receptive.
> Time to do so has become increasingly scarce.
> 
> >So you're better off aiming for the single point of "failure": ones
> >inability to change (enlarge) them.
> 
> Done that too, mostly via bugzilla.mozilla.org, a little on
> bugzilla.opensuse.org, less elsewhere, and very little of late.
> 
> >The main thrust of *my* posts has been aimed at the VC user, in which
> >case the people to complain to are those serving up the small fonts:
> >the computer manufacturer (if you can't read the CMOS screens) or
> 
> Only my three most recent PC acquisitions don't use antiquity's
> 80x25 text mode for BIOS setup. The newer are clearly inheritors of
> common characteristics of modern web design, meaning more complexity
> per screenful, and everything is considerably smaller than
> characteristic of 80x25.
> 
> >the Debian installation team, not web designers.
> 
> Actually, the Debian installer shows more evidence of design wisdom
> than is typical of other FOSS OS installers. I've only used the text
> mode, which handily accepts kernel cmdline options to select a
> screen resolution that works quite acceptably.
> 
> >But I don't understand why you're worrying about a screen font being
> >over-crisp.
> 
> I don't think you're properly interpreting my intent, observation, not 
> complaint.
> 
> > If you really object to paying for a higher pixel density,
> > then why not buy a cheaper screen (if that's an option, which is
> > unlikely with a laptop).
> 
> Cheaper tends to equate to smaller dimensions, contra to the object
> of making stuff bigger and reducing opportunity for eyestrain. At
> any given physical size, options for native resolution tend to be
> quite limited.
> 
> >But using setfont (through aliases, to avoid having to remember
> >font names) is so much better: instant, and affects each VC
> >individually, so you can trade clarity with screen real-estate
> >merely by using Ctrl-Alt-Fn switching if you have several
> >VCs running side by side.
> 
> Here it becomes apparent your goals differ from mine. I'm perfectly
> happy with having every VC use the same font, and prefer the very
> 16x9 one every rpm kernel I've encountered has used by default
> (IIRC) since my first Linux installation last century. This is the
> same font my (sans-plymouth) Debian installations use at least for
> the initial phases of init, if not all the way through to VC login
> prompts.

I didn't know we were talking about *your* goals. You obviously use
GUI browsers otherwise you'd not be worried about web pages having
small fonts, something a non-GUI user would be blissfully unaware of.

Please read the OP
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00127.html
and my reply
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00135.html
which the OP has obviously read as xe responded to Brian's
comments on it.

Brian's "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" will write the file
I mentioned and set a default size. My setfont commands will
allow different sizes to be selected on the fly, and used
contemporaneously.

Meanwhile the other subthread developed which involved changing the
resolution of the screen (and the font?) by loading different
drivers and modules or, in your case, by "direct[ing] KMS's
framebuffer to use a lower resolution than the native hi-res
one by including a video= parameter on the kernel cmdline".

I'm not convinced that this is the "simplest way". However,
on saying this, you exhorted me to try it before criticising it.
Well, I tried and so 

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[rhkramer]

TL;DR (Too Long, Didn't Read)--I didn't anticipate ever using that little 
abbreviation.

Anyway, my only reason for writing is to suggest (to the OP) that he consider 
using a fairly inexpensive digital flat screen tv as his monitor.  I currently 
use a 1080P 32" T that I bought for under $200 (on sale, somewhere, sometime, 
probably either Newegg or TigerDirect).

It has something like 1920x1280 resolution (which is enough resolution for 
me)--lets me easily set up two large windows side by side on the screen.

When I installed Wheezy, iirc (some years ago), fonts were pretty good (i.e., 
plenty big enough) with little or no intervention.  When I recently built a 
Jessie machine I did initially get some very small fonts and I had to do some 
adjustment.

Things too small on a 32" TV--get a 40 or 48 or even bigger TV (although the 
expense does go up)--again on sale, about 2 years ago I found a 48" TV for 
about $250.


On Thursday, September 15, 2016 05:11:26 AM Felix Miata wrote:
> David Wright composed on 2016-09-14 22:59 (UTC-0500):
> > On Wed 14 Sep 2016 at 05:43:24 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> >> David Wright composed on 2016-09-13 13:36 (UTC-0500):

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Felix Miata]

David Wright composed on 2016-09-14 22:59 (UTC-0500):


On Wed 14 Sep 2016 at 05:43:24 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:



David Wright composed on 2016-09-13 13:36 (UTC-0500):



The person to complain to about not being able to *read* small fonts is
your optician.


Thats presumptuous. There's only so much corrective lenses can do. More 
heroic correction may or may not be possible, or financially viable.



The people to complain to about inappropriate use of small screen fonts
are the web designers who serve them up. However, is this practical?


Only on rare occasions.


How many people are you going to complain to? How will you reach them?
Where do they work now?


Historically I've expended effort in various web design help forums trying to 
catch some while they're young enough to be receptive. Time to do so has 
become increasingly scarce.



So you're better off aiming for the single point of "failure": ones
inability to change (enlarge) them.


Done that too, mostly via bugzilla.mozilla.org, a little on 
bugzilla.opensuse.org, less elsewhere, and very little of late.



The main thrust of *my* posts has been aimed at the VC user, in which
case the people to complain to are those serving up the small fonts:
the computer manufacturer (if you can't read the CMOS screens) or


Only my three most recent PC acquisitions don't use antiquity's 80x25 text 
mode for BIOS setup. The newer are clearly inheritors of common 
characteristics of modern web design, meaning more complexity per screenful, 
and everything is considerably smaller than characteristic of 80x25.



the Debian installation team, not web designers.


Actually, the Debian installer shows more evidence of design wisdom than is 
typical of other FOSS OS installers. I've only used the text mode, which 
handily accepts kernel cmdline options to select a screen resolution that 
works quite acceptably.



But I don't understand why you're worrying about a screen font being
over-crisp.


I don't think you're properly interpreting my intent, observation, not 
complaint.

> If you really object to paying for a higher pixel density,
> then why not buy a cheaper screen (if that's an option, which is
> unlikely with a laptop).

Cheaper tends to equate to smaller dimensions, contra to the object of making 
stuff bigger and reducing opportunity for eyestrain. At any given physical 
size, options for native resolution tend to be quite limited.



But using setfont (through aliases, to avoid having to remember
font names) is so much better: instant, and affects each VC
individually, so you can trade clarity with screen real-estate
merely by using Ctrl-Alt-Fn switching if you have several
VCs running side by side.


Here it becomes apparent your goals differ from mine. I'm perfectly happy 
with having every VC use the same font, and prefer the very 16x9 one every 
rpm kernel I've encountered has used by default (IIRC) since my first Linux 
installation last century. This is the same font my (sans-plymouth) Debian 
installations use at least for the initial phases of init, if not all the way 
through to VC login prompts.



>>1-Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. By this I don't mean tried
>>only on Debian installations either. The default framebuffer font of
>>Debian and its derivatives is very commonly different from
>>non-Debian distros, represented by the spindly ugly thing used by
>>Ubuntu. Without Plymouth, one can typically see the initial font
>>during post is much bolder, changing somewhere along the way to the
>>desktop or login prompt to a much lighter stroked variety. If all
>>you've ever seen is the lightweight, try a (Debian) Knoppix CD or
>>DVD and you'll see what Fedora and openSUSE users see by default
>>(TerminusBold?) on their framebuffers, a font that's nicely bold and
>>forgiving of non-optimal screen resolution.



>Well, I'm up for that. Tell me what I have to do: it's quite involved.



Which "that" are you up for that's "quite involved"?



You wrote "Don't knock it if you haven't tried it" so I'm up for trying it.


I get that you are, just not what exactly is your definition of "that" or "it".


I run all my computer displays at their maximum resolution.


I have one 19.8" (actual viewable) Trinitron that I still use fairly often, 
but the rest are flat panels. The general rule for panels here is Xorg is run 
in native mode, but resolution differs for the VCs as an eminently 
efficacious method of controlling the size of the kernel's and framebuffer's 
default font learned decades ago.



They
are all LCD displays. (My last CRT monitor went to the tip in
October 2011, the last CRT TV in February 2014.)


I still have two CRT TV's in serviceable condition, though used little. Only 
one has PIP, and neither have POP. Unlike newer TVs and their digital modes, 
source selection and channel switching on a CRT is for all practical purposes 
instantaneous. Also they have durable glass surfaces, not susceptible to 
scratching. I 

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[David Wright]

On Wed 14 Sep 2016 at 11:09:47 (-0400), Ric Moore wrote:
> On 09/13/2016 02:36 PM, David Wright wrote:
> 
> >When I want to change resolution, which keys should I press to do that?
> 
> Back in the day, when xorg.conf roamed free, you could have multiple
> screen resolutions noted within it and a ctrl-alt-+ would switch
> resolutions on the fly. That worked on CRT monitors, not sure how
> that would work on LEDs. Ric

I remember it well. I also remember that you hoped the CRT had
remembered the X/Y height/width/position settings for each
resolution's mode, or you'd have to do a lot of fiddling with each
change. Also the "clunk" presumably from the Line Output Transformer
as it coped with the sudden change in demand.

But none of this applied to the linux console of course.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[David Wright]

On Wed 14 Sep 2016 at 05:43:24 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> David Wright composed on 2016-09-13 13:36 (UTC-0500):
> 
> Rather curious to see a regular participant here with a .co.uk
> mailing address apparently in a university environment in a UTC-0500
> time zone. Curiosity makes it for me a recurring distraction,
> wondering just what part of the world this might be, somewhere north
> of Wisconsin, Minnesota or North Dakota? :-p

Three states south of ND...Kansas.

> >On Thu 08 Sep 2016 at 12:53:49 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> >>David Wright composed on 2016-09-08 09:08 (UTC-0500):
> 
> >>>You can play with framebuffers and kernel drivers all you like.
> >>>What you cannot do is alter the layout of pixels on the screen.
> 
> >>Absolutely true.
> 
> >>>If you don't use a resolution that matches those pixels exactly,
> >>>nothing you do can compensate.
> 
> >>False. The difference from one resolution to the next is easily lost
> >>if the screen resolution is beyond the resolving power of the eyes.
> 
> >>>You are deluding yourself if you think you can.
> 
> >>Been doing it for years. One factor is called natural optical
> >>deterioration. There's a limit to resolving power that typically
> >>gets worse with age. It's a primary reason why complaints are ever
> >>made about tiny fonts accompanying increased pixel density.
> 
> >The main reason people complain about tiny fonts
> 
> I'd like to see a cite for the assertion of this "main" reason.
> 
> >? is because they're
> >often difficult to change, or changing them leads to undesirable
> >effects, like web pages that don't re-wrap lines to take account
> >of the change.
> 
> I rather think the *main* reason is difficulty reading them, closely
> followed by, or in conjunction with, their pervasiveness, which is
> almost as commonly coupled with gray color instead of best contrast
> black.

I can't see the point of arguing about this; we're just looking down
opposite ends of a telescope. From my end...

The person to complain to about not being able to *read* small fonts is
your optician. Small fonts exist, are useful in the right context when
designed (or modified, see Knuth's metafont writings) with care, and
aren't going to go away by being complained about. :)

The people to complain to about inappropriate use of small screen fonts
are the web designers who serve them up. However, is this practical?
How many people are you going to complain to? How will you reach them?
Where do they work now?

So you're better off aiming for the single point of "failure": ones
inability to change (enlarge) them.

The main thrust of *my* posts has been aimed at the VC user, in which
case the people to complain to are those serving up the small fonts:
the computer manufacturer (if you can't read the CMOS screens) or
the Debian installation team, not web designers.

> Probably for most people, most of computing any more is within the
> confines of a browser window. Now that ≤IE6 support is history, more
> and more websites have taken to defining all sizes in px, with text
> sizes most commonly those suited for the lowest pixel density
> screens, rather rarely as large as 16px, which on a larger than
> average size but also higher than average density 2560x1440 screen
> is only 9.8pt, while a much more common 13px is <8pt and a not
> uncommon 10px is 6.1pt.
> 
> Others with poorer than it used to be eyesight, like myself, or at
> least poorer than average, and/or higher density screens, surely get
> rather tired as do I of the need to either zoom on entry to every
> previously unvisited domain, or suffer the ill effects of either
> configuring use of a minimum text size or disabling site styles
> altogether.
> 
> >But with an armoury of font sizes, six in my case from tiny to vast,
> >there's no difficulty changing at all, as long as one is prepared
> >to visit the bash prompt (or use a shell-escape).
> 
> Easy for you to say. Do you have a realistic idea how hard it is to
> do anything when the defaults start difficult to manage in the first
> place, the proverbial chicken and egg problem? It's a whole lot
> easier to make too big text smaller than it is to make too small
> text bigger. Maybe size 6 isn't so vast when density is double the
> reference standard and the acuity is below average.

Good point. Perhaps it would be worth submitting a feature request to
the d-i bug list to add an optional installer step that requests a
larger default font size after the the keyboard language/layout etc.
This could write lines in locations like /etc/default/console-setup
and /boot/grub/grub.cfg.

My smallest font gives me 213x66 characters on this laptop, and
would be very uncomfortable to read for any length of time. But
I can't claim that it's too difficult for me to be able to type in
commands to investigate and change it. Some others probably would.

> >It's easy to be misled by just considering the means to resolve two
> >dots of lines from each other as the only function of 

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Ric Moore]

On 09/13/2016 02:36 PM, David Wright wrote:


When I want to change resolution, which keys should I press to do that?


Back in the day, when xorg.conf roamed free, you could have multiple 
screen resolutions noted within it and a ctrl-alt-+ would switch 
resolutions on the fly. That worked on CRT monitors, not sure how that 
would work on LEDs. Ric



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Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Felix Miata]

David Wright composed on 2016-09-13 13:36 (UTC-0500):

Rather curious to see a regular participant here with a .co.uk mailing 
address apparently in a university environment in a UTC-0500 time zone. 
Curiosity makes it for me a recurring distraction, wondering just what part 
of the world this might be, somewhere north of Wisconsin, Minnesota or North 
Dakota? :-p



On Thu 08 Sep 2016 at 12:53:49 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:



David Wright composed on 2016-09-08 09:08 (UTC-0500):



>You can play with framebuffers and kernel drivers all you like.
>What you cannot do is alter the layout of pixels on the screen.



Absolutely true.



>If you don't use a resolution that matches those pixels exactly,
>nothing you do can compensate.



False. The difference from one resolution to the next is easily lost
if the screen resolution is beyond the resolving power of the eyes.



>You are deluding yourself if you think you can.



Been doing it for years. One factor is called natural optical
deterioration. There's a limit to resolving power that typically
gets worse with age. It's a primary reason why complaints are ever
made about tiny fonts accompanying increased pixel density.



The main reason people complain about tiny fonts


I'd like to see a cite for the assertion of this "main" reason.


? is because they're
often difficult to change, or changing them leads to undesirable
effects, like web pages that don't re-wrap lines to take account
of the change.


I rather think the *main* reason is difficulty reading them, closely followed 
by, or in conjunction with, their pervasiveness, which is almost as commonly 
coupled with gray color instead of best contrast black.


Probably for most people, most of computing any more is within the confines 
of a browser window. Now that ≤IE6 support is history, more and more websites 
have taken to defining all sizes in px, with text sizes most commonly those 
suited for the lowest pixel density screens, rather rarely as large as 16px, 
which on a larger than average size but also higher than average density 
2560x1440 screen is only 9.8pt, while a much more common 13px is <8pt and a 
not uncommon 10px is 6.1pt.


Others with poorer than it used to be eyesight, like myself, or at least 
poorer than average, and/or higher density screens, surely get rather tired 
as do I of the need to either zoom on entry to every previously unvisited 
domain, or suffer the ill effects of either configuring use of a minimum text 
size or disabling site styles altogether.



But with an armoury of font sizes, six in my case from tiny to vast,
there's no difficulty changing at all, as long as one is prepared
to visit the bash prompt (or use a shell-escape).


Easy for you to say. Do you have a realistic idea how hard it is to do 
anything when the defaults start difficult to manage in the first place, the 
proverbial chicken and egg problem? It's a whole lot easier to make too big 
text smaller than it is to make too small text bigger. Maybe size 6 isn't so 
vast when density is double the reference standard and the acuity is below 
average.



It's easy to be misled by just considering the means to resolve two
dots of lines from each other as the only function of display
resolution. The crispness of a font depends on the angles of edges
to which the eye is very sensitive, even when it can't resolve the
actual dots themselves that make up that edge.


Maybe it's time to emulate some senior eyeballs. Hang some cheesecloth in 
front of your face, turn screen brightness down below 33%, let plenty of 
bright sunlight into the area where the display faces, and double or triple 
the normal distance between screen and face, then try to discern any 
difference in crispness between the vtty's default 9x16 font at 1280x720, and 
larger pixel size fonts on the same display at a native 1920x1080. Once the 
threshhold is reached, more px density is wasted.



Another factor has to do with screen size and distance, not
necessarily caused by deterioration, but because of eyes never that
good to begin with, and corrective lenses that do a better job at
particular focal lengths. Too close and pixels can become apparent
and bothersome. More distance can work better.



If the pixels are as large as to be bothersome, then make them
smaller, ie use a higher resolution on the screen! Why would you
ever use a lower resolution in that case?


Visual threshhold vs. ease of (re)configuring. For a lot of people, the only 
way they know to deal with everything being too small is to reduce 
resolution. Is it ideal? Of course not! Do people do it? It's common among 
the simple minded and the elderly.



IOW:



1-Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. By this I don't mean tried
only on Debian installations either. The default framebuffer font of
Debian and its derivatives is very commonly different from
non-Debian distros, represented by the spindly ugly thing used by
Ubuntu. Without Plymouth, one can typically see the 

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[David Wright]

On Thu 08 Sep 2016 at 12:53:49 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> David Wright composed on 2016-09-08 09:08 (UTC-0500):
> 
> >On Thu 08 Sep 2016 at 04:36:42 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> 
> >>Nicolas George composed on 2016-09-08 10:07 (UTC+0200):
> 
> >>>Felix Miata composed:
> 
> >>>>The simplest way is to direct KMS's framebuffer to use a lower resolution
> >>>>than the native hi-res one by including a video= parameter on the kernel
> >>>>cmdline. The lower the resolution, the larger the standard (usually 16x9)
> >>>>framebuffer font becomes. On a 1920x1200 display I typically use
> >>>>video=1440x900@60; on a 1920x1080, 1280x720@60; depending on size of 
> >>>>display
> >>>>and actual resolutions it supports. Using video=1920x1080 on a 2560x1440
> >>>>display should produce a font 177% of the physical size of the one used
> >>>>natively.
> 
> >>>It may be ONE OF THE simplest ways, but it a very bad one: screen have a
> >>>native resolution, operating at a different one requires scaling: the
> >>>resulting text will be much less readable than with the better solution of
> >>>using a larger font.
> 
> >>Have you ever tried it? Default framebuffer fonts are quite
> >>adaptable to different resolutions, as they are generally produced
> >>with many more pix than typical GUI fonts. All that extra size
> >>enhances readability, compensating rather nicely for the loss in
> >>apparent resolution.
> 
> >You can play with framebuffers and kernel drivers all you like.
> >What you cannot do is alter the layout of pixels on the screen.
> 
> Absolutely true.
> 
> >If you don't use a resolution that matches those pixels exactly,
> >nothing you do can compensate.
> 
> False. The difference from one resolution to the next is easily lost
> if the screen resolution is beyond the resolving power of the eyes.
> 
> >You are deluding yourself if you think you can.
> 
> Been doing it for years. One factor is called natural optical
> deterioration. There's a limit to resolving power that typically
> gets worse with age. It's a primary reason why complaints are ever
> made about tiny fonts accompanying increased pixel density.

The main reason people complain about tiny fonts is because they're
often difficult to change, or changing them leads to undesirable
effects, like web pages that don't re-wrap lines to take account
of the change.

But with an armoury of font sizes, six in my case from tiny to vast,
there's no difficulty changing at all, as long as one is prepared
to visit the bash prompt (or use a shell-escape).

It's easy to be misled by just considering the means to resolve two
dots of lines from each other as the only function of display
resolution. The crispness of a font depends on the angles of edges
to which the eye is very sensitive, even when it can't resolve the
actual dots themselves that make up that edge.

> Another factor has to do with screen size and distance, not
> necessarily caused by deterioration, but because of eyes never that
> good to begin with, and corrective lenses that do a better job at
> particular focal lengths. Too close and pixels can become apparent
> and bothersome. More distance can work better.

If the pixels are as large as to be bothersome, then make them
smaller, ie use a higher resolution on the screen! Why would you
ever use a lower resolution in that case?

> IOW:
> 
> 1-Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. By this I don't mean tried
> only on Debian installations either. The default framebuffer font of
> Debian and its derivatives is very commonly different from
> non-Debian distros, represented by the spindly ugly thing used by
> Ubuntu. Without Plymouth, one can typically see the initial font
> during post is much bolder, changing somewhere along the way to the
> desktop or login prompt to a much lighter stroked variety. If all
> you've ever seen is the lightweight, try a (Debian) Knoppix CD or
> DVD and you'll see what Fedora and openSUSE users see by default
> (TerminusBold?) on their framebuffers, a font that's nicely bold and
> forgiving of non-optimal screen resolution.

Well, I'm up for that. Tell me what I have to do: it's quite involved.
I can blacklist my i915 module; should I replace it in /etc/modules
with, say, the i810fb module. Or should I just add
video=intelfb:mode=640x480@60,accel,hwcursor,vram=8
to grub's boot line?

When I want to change resolution, which keys should I press to do that?

And last, but not least, I need a surefire method of determining what
resolution I have succeeded in running. With native resolution, that's
very simple. I put some text on the scr

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Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Felix Miata]

David Wright composed on 2016-09-08 09:08 (UTC-0500):


On Thu 08 Sep 2016 at 04:36:42 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:



Nicolas George composed on 2016-09-08 10:07 (UTC+0200):



>Felix Miata composed:



>>The simplest way is to direct KMS's framebuffer to use a lower resolution
>>than the native hi-res one by including a video= parameter on the kernel
>>cmdline. The lower the resolution, the larger the standard (usually 16x9)
>>framebuffer font becomes. On a 1920x1200 display I typically use
>>video=1440x900@60; on a 1920x1080, 1280x720@60; depending on size of display
>>and actual resolutions it supports. Using video=1920x1080 on a 2560x1440
>>display should produce a font 177% of the physical size of the one used
>>natively.



>It may be ONE OF THE simplest ways, but it a very bad one: screen have a
>native resolution, operating at a different one requires scaling: the
>resulting text will be much less readable than with the better solution of
>using a larger font.



Have you ever tried it? Default framebuffer fonts are quite
adaptable to different resolutions, as they are generally produced
with many more pix than typical GUI fonts. All that extra size
enhances readability, compensating rather nicely for the loss in
apparent resolution.



You can play with framebuffers and kernel drivers all you like.
What you cannot do is alter the layout of pixels on the screen.


Absolutely true.


If you don't use a resolution that matches those pixels exactly,
nothing you do can compensate.


False. The difference from one resolution to the next is easily lost if the 
screen resolution is beyond the resolving power of the eyes.



You are deluding yourself if you think you can.


Been doing it for years. One factor is called natural optical deterioration. 
There's a limit to resolving power that typically gets worse with age. It's a 
primary reason why complaints are ever made about tiny fonts accompanying 
increased pixel density.


Another factor has to do with screen size and distance, not necessarily 
caused by deterioration, but because of eyes never that good to begin with, 
and corrective lenses that do a better job at particular focal lengths. Too 
close and pixels can become apparent and bothersome. More distance can work 
better.


IOW:

1-Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. By this I don't mean tried only on 
Debian installations either. The default framebuffer font of Debian and its 
derivatives is very commonly different from non-Debian distros, represented 
by the spindly ugly thing used by Ubuntu. Without Plymouth, one can typically 
see the initial font during post is much bolder, changing somewhere along the 
way to the desktop or login prompt to a much lighter stroked variety. If all 
you've ever seen is the lightweight, try a (Debian) Knoppix CD or DVD and 
you'll see what Fedora and openSUSE users see by default (TerminusBold?) on 
their framebuffers, a font that's nicely bold and forgiving of non-optimal 
screen resolution.


2-Don't expect just because you decide it's not for you that it can't be for 
anyone else.


3-Lowered resolution for the framebuffers does not necessarily dictate 
resolution for Xorg. For the past couple of years or so, if using the Intel 
Xorg driver, Xorg will default to the cmdline video= directive, in contrast 
to nouveau and radeon sticking to native by default, but this can be overcome 
via xrandr or xorg.con* or the DE. I normally configure them differently, 
native for Xorg, reduced for framebuffer.


4-I'm not suggesting font reconfiguration can't be appropriate, only that 
there may be an easier way that is quite suitable, particularly for a machine 
that is shared among people with diverse visual acuity.

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Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[David Wright]

On Thu 08 Sep 2016 at 04:36:42 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> Nicolas George composed on 2016-09-08 10:07 (UTC+0200):
> 
> >Felix Miata composed:
> 
> >>The simplest way is to direct KMS's framebuffer to use a lower resolution
> >>than the native hi-res one by including a video= parameter on the kernel
> >>cmdline. The lower the resolution, the larger the standard (usually 16x9)
> >>framebuffer font becomes. On a 1920x1200 display I typically use
> >>video=1440x900@60; on a 1920x1080, 1280x720@60; depending on size of display
> >>and actual resolutions it supports. Using video=1920x1080 on a 2560x1440
> >>display should produce a font 177% of the physical size of the one used
> >>natively.
> 
> >It may be ONE OF THE simplest ways, but it a very bad one: screen have a
> >native resolution, operating at a different one requires scaling: the
> >resulting text will be much less readable than with the better solution of
> >using a larger font.
> 
> Have you ever tried it? Default framebuffer fonts are quite
> adaptable to different resolutions, as they are generally produced
> with many more pix than typical GUI fonts. All that extra size
> enhances readability, compensating rather nicely for the loss in
> apparent resolution.

You can play with framebuffers and kernel drivers all you like.
What you cannot do is alter the layout of pixels on the screen.
If you don't use a resolution that matches those pixels exactly,
nothing you do can compensate. You are deluding yourself if you
think you can.

Now, I will apologise if you're still using a monochrome CRT. None
of the paragraph above applies in that case as the screen has a
uniform coating of phosphor. If you're still using a colour CRT,
then you get the worst of both worlds: the screen is pixelated
(you can see the dots or stripes with a handlens) but there's
no way of precisely lining up the grid of pixels from the video
card with the grid of holes in the shadow mask because the
mechanism linking them is analogue (shooting electrons through
a vacuum).

Terminal fonts are then designed to be displayed as a raster of
those pixels, rather than as a series of strokes coerced into
a raster of pixels. One might have a different opinion of the
clarity of any individual font displayed at different sizes.
One of the benefits of using setfont is that you can use a
different font for each size if you wish, and you can select
them on the fly according to circumstances: the type of work,
the ambient lighting etc. I use a much smaller font in bed
than outdoors, for example.

Another compromise that can be compensated for by having an
instant choice of fonts is their ability to handle unusual
glyphs in Unicode. Some of the clearest fonts are lacking in
coverage for obvious reasons.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Nicolas George]

Le tridi 23 fructidor, an CCXXIV, Felix Miata a écrit :
>as they are generally produced with many more pix
> than typical GUI fonts.

You said, quite rightly, "usually 16x9". That does not make many more
pixels, that is rather typical of what is used with GUI fonts too.

> All that extra size enhances readability,
> compensating rather nicely for the loss in apparent resolution.

Yes, it enhances it compared to tiny glyphs, but it worsens it compared to
larger glyphs at native resolution.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Felix Miata]

Nicolas George composed on 2016-09-08 10:07 (UTC+0200):


Felix Miata composed:



The simplest way is to direct KMS's framebuffer to use a lower resolution
than the native hi-res one by including a video= parameter on the kernel
cmdline. The lower the resolution, the larger the standard (usually 16x9)
framebuffer font becomes. On a 1920x1200 display I typically use
video=1440x900@60; on a 1920x1080, 1280x720@60; depending on size of display
and actual resolutions it supports. Using video=1920x1080 on a 2560x1440
display should produce a font 177% of the physical size of the one used
natively.



It may be ONE OF THE simplest ways, but it a very bad one: screen have a
native resolution, operating at a different one requires scaling: the
resulting text will be much less readable than with the better solution of
using a larger font.


Have you ever tried it? Default framebuffer fonts are quite adaptable to 
different resolutions, as they are generally produced with many more pix than 
typical GUI fonts. All that extra size enhances readability, compensating 
rather nicely for the loss in apparent resolution.

--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Nicolas George]

Le tridi 23 fructidor, an CCXXIV, Felix Miata a écrit :
> The simplest way is to direct KMS's framebuffer to use a lower resolution
> than the native hi-res one by including a video= parameter on the kernel
> cmdline. The lower the resolution, the larger the standard (usually 16x9)
> framebuffer font becomes. On a 1920x1200 display I typically use
> video=1440x900@60; on a 1920x1080, 1280x720@60; depending on size of display
> and actual resolutions it supports. Using video=1920x1080 on a 2560x1440
> display should produce a font 177% of the physical size of the one used
> natively.

It may be ONE OF THE simplest ways, but it a very bad one: screen have a
native resolution, operating at a different one requires scaling: the
resulting text will be much less readable than with the better solution of
using a larger font.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Felix Miata]

The simplest way is to direct KMS's framebuffer to use a lower resolution 
than the native hi-res one by including a video= parameter on the kernel 
cmdline. The lower the resolution, the larger the standard (usually 16x9) 
framebuffer font becomes. On a 1920x1200 display I typically use 
video=1440x900@60; on a 1920x1080, 1280x720@60; depending on size of display 
and actual resolutions it supports. Using video=1920x1080 on a 2560x1440 
display should produce a font 177% of the physical size of the one used natively.

--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 12:46, Stephen Powell wrote:
> 
> To determine which module to blacklist, issue
> 
>dmesg|less
> 
> and see if you can figure out which module is loading.  You can also issue
> 
>lsmod|less
> 
> to see which modules are loaded.  Perhaps you can identify which module is
> the frame buffer driver this way.  Knowing your video chipset helps give you
> a clue also.  Issue
> 
>lspci|less
> 
> and look for VGA.  This may give you a clue as to the identity of the frame
> buffer driver.
> 

I found a better way to identify the frame buffer driver.  Issue

   lspci -k|less

then search for the character string VGA.  You should see something like this:

   01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] 
RS780L [Radeon 3000]
   Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd RS780L [Radeon 3000]
   Kernel driver in use: radeon
   Kernel modules: radeon

This clearly identifies the frame buffer driver.

I realize that the OP has chosen a different solution.  But for the sake of
others who may find this thread in a future search who wish to go the hardware
text mode route, I have added this information.  The "vga" option of LILO
(also usable with GRUB2 if you use linux16 and initrd16 instead of linux and 
initrd
in the menuentry bloc) provides more choices than the hardware default of 80x25.
For more information about this, see my LILO web page at

   http://www.stevesdebianstuff.org/lilo.htm#VGA

-- 
  .''`. Stephen Powell
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Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Mayuresh Kathe]

On Mon, Sep 05, 2016 at 06:36:05PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> 
> I'm surprised the OP didn't test them with
> 
>   dpkg-reconfigure console-setup

This worked. I now have a sane console setting. :)
Thanks for that tip Brian.

~Mayuresh

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Brian]

On Mon 05 Sep 2016 at 13:47:04 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Have you tried Lucida bright yet?  When I was working my employer had a
> presentation on that font and had all computers switched over to it to
> improve clarity of writing.  Me never having seen anything, I don't know how
> good that font is.

Lucida bright is a font I associate with Latex (Tex). I doubt it is
suitable for pure console use. There are contraints which the console
imposes which, even with a framebuffer, limit the type of font which
can be used. When it comes to it, a terminal under X does much better.


 
> On Mon, 5 Sep 2016, Brian wrote:
> 
> >Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 13:36:05
> >From: Brian <a...@cityscape.co.uk>
> >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >Subject: Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!
> >Resent-Date: Mon,  5 Sep 2016 17:36:23 + (UTC)
> >Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >
> >On Mon 05 Sep 2016 at 11:58:25 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon 05 Sep 2016 at 21:31:20 (+0530), Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
> >>>Is there any way to get a regular console under Debian Jessie?
> >>>I don't use a GUI, just plain old CLI, and working on hi-res with
> >>>"tiny" little fonts is extremely painful.
> >>>I have tried playing with "console-setup". No results.
> >>
> >>I have commands aliased thus in ~/.bashrc
> >>
> >>alias my-font-tiny="setfont Lat15-Terminus12x6"
> >>alias my-font-small="setfont Lat15-Terminus14"
> >>alias my-font-medium="setfont Lat15-Terminus20x10"
> >>alias my-font-large="setfont Lat15-Terminus24x12"
> >>alias my-font-huge="setfont Lat15-Terminus28x14"
> >>alias my-font-vast="setfont Lat15-Terminus32x16"
> >
> >Every time I use the console (which is a lot) I appreciate the existence
> >of the Terminus font and could not do without it.
> >
> >>$ cat /etc/default/console-setup
> >># CONFIGURATION FILE FOR SETUPCON
> >>
> >># Consult the console-setup(5) manual page.
> >>
> >>ACTIVE_CONSOLES="/dev/tty[1-6]"
> >>
> >>CHARMAP="UTF-8"
> >>
> >>CODESET="Lat15"
> >># Make no font changes to allow scrollback of boot screen
> >>
> >>VIDEOMODE=
> >>
> >># The following is an example how to use a braille font
> >># FONT='lat9w-08.psf.gz brl-8x8.psf'
> >>FONTFACE="Terminus"
> >>FONTSIZE="10x20"
> >>$
> >>
> >>That sets the default for logging in. Changing the font like this will
> >>clear the scrollback buffer (ie everything before the current screenfull)
> >>if you are someone who looks at booting messages.
> >>
> >>I think Terminus comes from package xfonts-terminus. If that's not the
> >
> >console-setup-linux provides the .psf files. In all his "playing about"
> >I'm surprised the OP didn't test them with
> >
> > dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
> >
> >>case then post again and I will investigate. (I have a lot of fonts
> >>installed for both VCs and X, which I do use.) Of course, you can use
> >>whatever set of fonts you want, but I find Terminus very clear.
> >>However, it's not well endowed for Unicode, so you may want something
> >>different.
> >>
> >>Those aliased commands set each VC independently BTW.
> >
> >Thanks for the detail. Something to try in the future.
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> 

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Jude DaShiell]

Have you tried Lucida bright yet?  When I was working my employer had a 
presentation on that font and had all computers switched over to it to 
improve clarity of writing.  Me never having seen anything, I don't know 
how good that font is.


On Mon, 5 Sep 2016, Brian wrote:


Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 13:36:05
From: Brian <a...@cityscape.co.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!
Resent-Date: Mon,  5 Sep 2016 17:36:23 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

On Mon 05 Sep 2016 at 11:58:25 -0500, David Wright wrote:


On Mon 05 Sep 2016 at 21:31:20 (+0530), Mayuresh Kathe wrote:

Is there any way to get a regular console under Debian Jessie?
I don't use a GUI, just plain old CLI, and working on hi-res with
"tiny" little fonts is extremely painful.
I have tried playing with "console-setup". No results.


I have commands aliased thus in ~/.bashrc

alias my-font-tiny="setfont Lat15-Terminus12x6"
alias my-font-small="setfont Lat15-Terminus14"
alias my-font-medium="setfont Lat15-Terminus20x10"
alias my-font-large="setfont Lat15-Terminus24x12"
alias my-font-huge="setfont Lat15-Terminus28x14"
alias my-font-vast="setfont Lat15-Terminus32x16"


Every time I use the console (which is a lot) I appreciate the existence
of the Terminus font and could not do without it.


$ cat /etc/default/console-setup
# CONFIGURATION FILE FOR SETUPCON

# Consult the console-setup(5) manual page.

ACTIVE_CONSOLES="/dev/tty[1-6]"

CHARMAP="UTF-8"

CODESET="Lat15"
# Make no font changes to allow scrollback of boot screen

VIDEOMODE=

# The following is an example how to use a braille font
# FONT='lat9w-08.psf.gz brl-8x8.psf'
FONTFACE="Terminus"
FONTSIZE="10x20"
$

That sets the default for logging in. Changing the font like this will
clear the scrollback buffer (ie everything before the current screenfull)
if you are someone who looks at booting messages.

I think Terminus comes from package xfonts-terminus. If that's not the


console-setup-linux provides the .psf files. In all his "playing about"
I'm surprised the OP didn't test them with

 dpkg-reconfigure console-setup


case then post again and I will investigate. (I have a lot of fonts
installed for both VCs and X, which I do use.) Of course, you can use
whatever set of fonts you want, but I find Terminus very clear.
However, it's not well endowed for Unicode, so you may want something
different.

Those aliased commands set each VC independently BTW.


Thanks for the detail. Something to try in the future.




--

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Brian]

On Mon 05 Sep 2016 at 11:58:25 -0500, David Wright wrote:

> On Mon 05 Sep 2016 at 21:31:20 (+0530), Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
> > Is there any way to get a regular console under Debian Jessie?
> > I don't use a GUI, just plain old CLI, and working on hi-res with
> > "tiny" little fonts is extremely painful.
> > I have tried playing with "console-setup". No results.
> 
> I have commands aliased thus in ~/.bashrc
> 
> alias my-font-tiny="setfont Lat15-Terminus12x6"
> alias my-font-small="setfont Lat15-Terminus14"
> alias my-font-medium="setfont Lat15-Terminus20x10"
> alias my-font-large="setfont Lat15-Terminus24x12"
> alias my-font-huge="setfont Lat15-Terminus28x14"
> alias my-font-vast="setfont Lat15-Terminus32x16"

Every time I use the console (which is a lot) I appreciate the existence
of the Terminus font and could not do without it.

> $ cat /etc/default/console-setup
> # CONFIGURATION FILE FOR SETUPCON
> 
> # Consult the console-setup(5) manual page.
> 
> ACTIVE_CONSOLES="/dev/tty[1-6]"
> 
> CHARMAP="UTF-8"
> 
> CODESET="Lat15"
> # Make no font changes to allow scrollback of boot screen
> 
> VIDEOMODE=
> 
> # The following is an example how to use a braille font
> # FONT='lat9w-08.psf.gz brl-8x8.psf'
> FONTFACE="Terminus"
> FONTSIZE="10x20"
> $ 
> 
> That sets the default for logging in. Changing the font like this will
> clear the scrollback buffer (ie everything before the current screenfull)
> if you are someone who looks at booting messages.
> 
> I think Terminus comes from package xfonts-terminus. If that's not the

console-setup-linux provides the .psf files. In all his "playing about"
I'm surprised the OP didn't test them with

  dpkg-reconfigure console-setup

> case then post again and I will investigate. (I have a lot of fonts
> installed for both VCs and X, which I do use.) Of course, you can use
> whatever set of fonts you want, but I find Terminus very clear.
> However, it's not well endowed for Unicode, so you may want something
> different.
> 
> Those aliased commands set each VC independently BTW.

Thanks for the detail. Something to try in the future.

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[David Wright]

On Mon 05 Sep 2016 at 21:31:20 (+0530), Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
> Is there any way to get a regular console under Debian Jessie?
> I don't use a GUI, just plain old CLI, and working on hi-res with
> "tiny" little fonts is extremely painful.
> I have tried playing with "console-setup". No results.

I have commands aliased thus in ~/.bashrc

alias my-font-tiny="setfont Lat15-Terminus12x6"
alias my-font-small="setfont Lat15-Terminus14"
alias my-font-medium="setfont Lat15-Terminus20x10"
alias my-font-large="setfont Lat15-Terminus24x12"
alias my-font-huge="setfont Lat15-Terminus28x14"
alias my-font-vast="setfont Lat15-Terminus32x16"

$ cat /etc/default/console-setup
# CONFIGURATION FILE FOR SETUPCON

# Consult the console-setup(5) manual page.

ACTIVE_CONSOLES="/dev/tty[1-6]"

CHARMAP="UTF-8"

CODESET="Lat15"
# Make no font changes to allow scrollback of boot screen

VIDEOMODE=

# The following is an example how to use a braille font
# FONT='lat9w-08.psf.gz brl-8x8.psf'
FONTFACE="Terminus"
FONTSIZE="10x20"
$ 

That sets the default for logging in. Changing the font like this will
clear the scrollback buffer (ie everything before the current screenfull)
if you are someone who looks at booting messages.

I think Terminus comes from package xfonts-terminus. If that's not the
case then post again and I will investigate. (I have a lot of fonts
installed for both VCs and X, which I do use.) Of course, you can use
whatever set of fonts you want, but I find Terminus very clear.
However, it's not well endowed for Unicode, so you may want something
different.

Those aliased commands set each VC independently BTW.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 12:01, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
> 
> Is there any way to get a regular console under Debian Jessie?
> I don't use a GUI, just plain old CLI, and working on hi-res with "tiny" 
> little fonts is extremely painful.
> I have tried playing with "console-setup". No results.
> 

Yes.  What you are seeing is a "frame buffer" console.  In most cases,
the X driver requires this.  But if you are not using an X server, you
can disable it.  The trick is to blacklist the right driver.  For example,
if you have a radeon chipset, blacklisting the radeon driver might accomplish
this.  Create a file such as /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf.  Put a line in it
which says

   blacklist radeon

Save the file and exit the editor.  Whenever you blacklist a module, it is
a good idea to rebuild your initial RAM file system, although if the module
is not loaded until after the permanent root file system is mounted read-only,
this is not strictly required.  To do this, issue

   update-initramfs -u -k $(uname -r)

Then shutdown and reboot.

To determine which module to blacklist, issue

   dmesg|less

and see if you can figure out which module is loading.  You can also issue

   lsmod|less

to see which modules are loaded.  Perhaps you can identify which module is
the frame buffer driver this way.  Knowing your video chipset helps give you
a clue also.  Issue

   lspci|less

and look for VGA.  This may give you a clue as to the identity of the frame
buffer driver.

-- 
  .''`. Stephen Powell<zlinux...@fastmail.com>
 : :'  :
 `. `'`
   `-

Re: Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Nicolas George]

Le decadi 20 fructidor, an CCXXIV, Mayuresh Kathe a écrit :
> Is there any way to get a regular console under Debian Jessie?
> I don't use a GUI, just plain old CLI, and working on hi-res with "tiny"
> little fonts is extremely painful.
> I have tried playing with "console-setup". No results.

You probably need to inhibit the auto-loading of the kernel module
corresponding to your video controller.

But I advise against it: you will get stuck with the text mode emulation of
modern video cards, something very old and something that the vendors no
longer care about. You would probably get much better comfort by keeping the
framebuffer console and configuring it to use larger fonts.

In fact, even for CLI, if the box is not too old, I think you would be even
better of starting an X11 server with just a big XTerm taking all the
screen: in my experience, X11 terminal emulator are much more comfortable
than anything in the console.


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Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!

[Mayuresh Kathe]

Hi,

Is there any way to get a regular console under Debian Jessie?
I don't use a GUI, just plain old CLI, and working on hi-res with "tiny" 
little fonts is extremely painful.

I have tried playing with "console-setup". No results.

~Mayuresh

Re: Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Xavi Drudis Ferran]

Perdó per resucitar fils vells

Jo vaig dir el 4.3.2016:


I ja posats, el Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton segueix en les seves (tot 
i que m'he perdut i ja no sé si

és maquinari obert o no, i Allwinner no em cauen bé):

http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/laptop_15in/news/EOMA68_Libre_15.6in_Laptop_casework_completed/
http://rhombus-tech.net/whitepapers/ecocomputing_07sep2015/
http://liliputing.com/2016/01/interview-with-eoma68-libre-laptop-developer-luke-kenneth-casson-leighton.html
(sembla que la presentació al FOSDEM no ha quedat enregistrada)

Qui sap? igual s'acaba menjant el món.


Res, només que ara el Luke ha muntat una campanya de micromecenatge per 
a finançar la producció de les targetes
de CPU+RAM+"flash" i d'un portàtil de 15.6" i 1.1 kg que només gasta 15 
W  i porta una bateria de bici elèctrica
que diu que dura 6 o 8 hores (sense wifi ni internet però els en pots 
posar per USB). Te'l montes tu mateix a
partir d'un kit d'electrònica i un joc de peces de fullola de bambú i 
PLA impreses en 3D o el pots comprar fet

molt més car.

La targeta CPU porta un Allwinner A20 (que sembla que costa com un 10% 
del preu). És poc potent, és clar, i la gràfica

MALI no acaba de tenir controladors lliures.
Allwinner són antipàtics perquè han estat acusats púbicament de violar 
la GPL i la seva resposta ha estat prou decepcionant,
tot i que el Luke ofereix una opció que creu que acabarà sent 
certificada per la FSF com a RYF (amb s.o. Parabola).

Altres opcions són amb Debian, Devuan o Fedora.

I si no ens agrada la CPU (costa molt trobar res decent, de fet), hi ha 
l'opció de comprar el portàtil sense CPU, amb una
targeta de CPU que no porta CPU , només connectors i conversors per 
poder usar el portàtil de pantalla i teclat addicional per a
un ordinador extern , que podria ser un mòbil, SBC, tauleta, Pyra 
handheld (un miniportàtil amb botons de joc que també portarà Debian) o 
el que sigui. I si en un futur surt una CPU que t'agradi més te la 
compres i pots usar el portàtil sense l'ordinador extern.


Encara no s'ha menjat el món, però ho intenta (porta el 30% de fons en 
el 50% de dies).


https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop

Re: Compra de Portatil per posar-hi una Debian

[Moises]

Genial Narcís!

a algun administrador se li va acudir la brillant idea de què ja no eren
> útils a Canonical
>
En tot cas, me n'alegro que no hagi desaparegut per tothom!

Moltes gràcies​


El dia 22 d’abril de 2016, 10:22, Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> ha
escrit:

> Fa temps des del GiLUG vam estar fent guies sobre diversos portàtils al
> wiki d'Ubuntu, fins que a algun administrador se li va acudir la
> brillant idea de què ja no eren útils a Canonical.
>
> Aquí l'índex:
> http://wiki.gilug.org/index.php/Ordinadors_portatils
>
> El wiki del GiLUG serveix igualment per posar-hi les guies allà mateix
> (mantingudes i respectades per la comunitat) i hi ha una mena de
> plantilla per anotar totes les observacions sobre un mateix ordinador i
> el procediment d'instal·lació.
>
> Sobre el tema botigues i marques, penso que només són recomanables les
> que ofereixin productes per treballar amb programari completament lliure
> o almenys ben integrat (allò del programa de NVIDIA fa lleig).
>
>
> El 22/04/16 a les 09:48, Moises ha escrit:
> > Moltes gràcies de nou Jordi.
> >
> > Sóc conscient de que parlar de marques i botigues en contexts com aquest
> > pot ser perillós (recordo un grup d'usuaris Vim al LinkedIn que va petar
> > pel bombardeig d'ofertes de feina). Amb tot, penso que és una llàstima
> > que si algú troba una botiga o una marca que treballa bé, no es pugui
> > compartir en comunitat. Així que, per part meva, gràcies per la
> > "propaganda" i per arrencar aquest fil.
> >
> > Si aconsegueixo finalment trobar el portàtil "quasi-perfecte" per les
> > meves necessitats (memòria per executar màquines virtuals, durada >4h de
> > bateria, pes <2.5Kg, robust, pantalla de qualitat (13'' o 14'') però
> > sense necessitat de processar gràfics importants, resposta decent a
> > l'hora de compilar i, és clar, ~100% usable amb Debian), miraré de fer
> > quelcom similar a la teva excel·lent guia.
> >
> > Salut per tot(e)s
> >
> >
> > El dia 21 d’abril de 2016, 22:28, Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org
> > <mailto:id...@bergueda.org>> ha escrit:
> >
> > Hola,
> >
> > Al Josep, al fer la instal·lació des del DVD em va dir que li
> > faltaven aquests paquets (al blog ja hi ha una captura de pantalla),
> > vaig deduir que en el DVD no hi eren. Al acabar la instal·lació i
> > connectat per cable Ethernet ho instal·lar, de fet al fer la
> > instal·lació ja estava també connectat a internet.
> >
> > Al Moises, ja he modificat lo del sistema operatiu:  > "com diuen a la botiga", sense Sistema Operatiu, però si que en
> > porta, un FreeDOS que pot ser útil per a actualitzacions de BIOS i
> > el firmware d'altres dispositiu...>
> >
> > L'he comprat a la botiga online on he comprat els darrers anys.
> > PCComponentes. volia posar l'enllaç de l'article, però aquest en
> > concret ja no li tenen. Altres MSI si. (i perdoneu per la
> "propaganda".
> >
> > Salut.
> >
> > El dia 21 d’abril de 2016, 20:43, Moises <moisesgomezgi...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:moisesgomezgi...@gmail.com>> ha escrit:
> >
> > Moltíssimes gràcies Jordi! (i Josep, genial l'avís sobre
> > mantenir FreeDOS! Jo també l'hauria eliminat)
> >
> > Comentes:
> >
> > Evidentment anava sense sistema operatiu
> >
> >
> > Per mi no és evident (snif!). On l'has comprat? Segurament se
> > m'ha passat algun dels enllaços dels companys...
> >
> >
> > El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 20:59, Josep Lladonosa
> > <jllad...@gmail.com <mailto:jllad...@gmail.com>> ha escrit:
> >
> >
> >
> > 2016-04-20 20:39 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader
> > <id...@bergueda.org <mailto:id...@bergueda.org>>:
> >
> > Bé doncs el FreeDOS el vaig eliminar del tot pensant que
> > no serviria per gaire. ja miraré de comentar-ho al post.
> > gràcies per comentar-ho.
> >
> > sobre lo del firmware iwlwifi és evident que estava
> > connectat per cable Ethernet, no ho he comentat perquè
> > m'ha semblat obvi.
> >
> >
> > Podia haver passat que el paquet .deb hagués estat en el DVD
> > d'instal·lació. Personalment ho hauria explicitat.
> > Gràcies per compartir!
> >
> >
> >
> > Salut!
&g

Re: Compra de Portatil per posar-hi una Debian

[Narcis Garcia]

Fa temps des del GiLUG vam estar fent guies sobre diversos portàtils al
wiki d'Ubuntu, fins que a algun administrador se li va acudir la
brillant idea de què ja no eren útils a Canonical.

Aquí l'índex:
http://wiki.gilug.org/index.php/Ordinadors_portatils

El wiki del GiLUG serveix igualment per posar-hi les guies allà mateix
(mantingudes i respectades per la comunitat) i hi ha una mena de
plantilla per anotar totes les observacions sobre un mateix ordinador i
el procediment d'instal·lació.

Sobre el tema botigues i marques, penso que només són recomanables les
que ofereixin productes per treballar amb programari completament lliure
o almenys ben integrat (allò del programa de NVIDIA fa lleig).


El 22/04/16 a les 09:48, Moises ha escrit:
> Moltes gràcies de nou Jordi.
> 
> Sóc conscient de que parlar de marques i botigues en contexts com aquest
> pot ser perillós (recordo un grup d'usuaris Vim al LinkedIn que va petar
> pel bombardeig d'ofertes de feina). Amb tot, penso que és una llàstima
> que si algú troba una botiga o una marca que treballa bé, no es pugui
> compartir en comunitat. Així que, per part meva, gràcies per la
> "propaganda" i per arrencar aquest fil.
> 
> Si aconsegueixo finalment trobar el portàtil "quasi-perfecte" per les
> meves necessitats (memòria per executar màquines virtuals, durada >4h de
> bateria, pes <2.5Kg, robust, pantalla de qualitat (13'' o 14'') però
> sense necessitat de processar gràfics importants, resposta decent a
> l'hora de compilar i, és clar, ~100% usable amb Debian), miraré de fer
> quelcom similar a la teva excel·lent guia.
> 
> Salut per tot(e)s
> 
> 
> El dia 21 d’abril de 2016, 22:28, Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org
> <mailto:id...@bergueda.org>> ha escrit:
> 
> Hola,
> 
> Al Josep, al fer la instal·lació des del DVD em va dir que li
> faltaven aquests paquets (al blog ja hi ha una captura de pantalla),
> vaig deduir que en el DVD no hi eren. Al acabar la instal·lació i
> connectat per cable Ethernet ho instal·lar, de fet al fer la
> instal·lació ja estava també connectat a internet.
> 
> Al Moises, ja he modificat lo del sistema operatiu:  "com diuen a la botiga", sense Sistema Operatiu, però si que en
> porta, un FreeDOS que pot ser útil per a actualitzacions de BIOS i
> el firmware d'altres dispositiu...>
> 
> L'he comprat a la botiga online on he comprat els darrers anys.
> PCComponentes. volia posar l'enllaç de l'article, però aquest en
> concret ja no li tenen. Altres MSI si. (i perdoneu per la "propaganda".
> 
> Salut.
> 
> El dia 21 d’abril de 2016, 20:43, Moises <moisesgomezgi...@gmail.com
> <mailto:moisesgomezgi...@gmail.com>> ha escrit:
> 
> Moltíssimes gràcies Jordi! (i Josep, genial l'avís sobre
> mantenir FreeDOS! Jo també l'hauria eliminat)
> 
> Comentes:
> 
> Evidentment anava sense sistema operatiu
> 
>  
> Per mi no és evident (snif!). On l'has comprat? Segurament se
> m'ha passat algun dels enllaços dels companys...
> 
> 
> El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 20:59, Josep Lladonosa
> <jllad...@gmail.com <mailto:jllad...@gmail.com>> ha escrit:
> 
> 
> 
> 2016-04-20 20:39 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader
> <id...@bergueda.org <mailto:id...@bergueda.org>>:
> 
> Bé doncs el FreeDOS el vaig eliminar del tot pensant que
> no serviria per gaire. ja miraré de comentar-ho al post.
> gràcies per comentar-ho.
> 
> sobre lo del firmware iwlwifi és evident que estava
> connectat per cable Ethernet, no ho he comentat perquè
> m'ha semblat obvi. 
> 
> 
> Podia haver passat que el paquet .deb hagués estat en el DVD
> d'instal·lació. Personalment ho hauria explicitat.
> Gràcies per compartir!
>  
> 
> 
> Salut!
> 
> El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 20:09, Josep Lladonosa
> <jllad...@gmail.com <mailto:jllad...@gmail.com>> ha escrit:
> 
> Hola Jordi
> 
> 2016-04-20 19:33 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader
> <id...@bergueda.org <mailto:id...@bergueda.org>>:
> 
> Hola de nou,
> 
> i perdoneu pel retard, tenia el post del meu
> blog a punt de penjar amb l'explicació de la
> instal·lació de la Debian 8 al nou portàtil que
> em vaig comprar i

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Moises]

Moltes gràcies de nou Jordi.

Sóc conscient de que parlar de marques i botigues en contexts com aquest
pot ser perillós (recordo un grup d'usuaris Vim al LinkedIn que va petar
pel bombardeig d'ofertes de feina). Amb tot, penso que és una llàstima que
si algú troba una botiga o una marca que treballa bé, no es pugui compartir
en comunitat. Així que, per part meva, gràcies per la "propaganda" i per
arrencar aquest fil.

Si aconsegueixo finalment trobar el portàtil "quasi-perfecte" per les meves
necessitats (memòria per executar màquines virtuals, durada >4h de bateria,
pes <2.5Kg, robust, pantalla de qualitat (13'' o 14'') però sense
necessitat de processar gràfics importants, resposta decent a l'hora de
compilar i, és clar, ~100% usable amb Debian), miraré de fer quelcom
similar a la teva excel·lent guia.

Salut per tot(e)s


El dia 21 d’abril de 2016, 22:28, Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org> ha
escrit:

> Hola,
>
> Al Josep, al fer la instal·lació des del DVD em va dir que li faltaven
> aquests paquets (al blog ja hi ha una captura de pantalla), vaig deduir que
> en el DVD no hi eren. Al acabar la instal·lació i connectat per cable
> Ethernet ho instal·lar, de fet al fer la instal·lació ja estava també
> connectat a internet.
>
> Al Moises, ja he modificat lo del sistema operatiu:  diuen a la botiga", sense Sistema Operatiu, però si que en porta, un
> FreeDOS que pot ser útil per a actualitzacions de BIOS i el firmware
> d'altres dispositiu...>
>
> L'he comprat a la botiga online on he comprat els darrers anys.
> PCComponentes. volia posar l'enllaç de l'article, però aquest en concret ja
> no li tenen. Altres MSI si. (i perdoneu per la "propaganda".
>
> Salut.
>
> El dia 21 d’abril de 2016, 20:43, Moises <moisesgomezgi...@gmail.com> ha
> escrit:
>
>> Moltíssimes gràcies Jordi! (i Josep, genial l'avís sobre mantenir
>> FreeDOS! Jo també l'hauria eliminat)
>>
>> Comentes:
>>
>>> Evidentment anava sense sistema operatiu
>>>
>>
>> Per mi no és evident (snif!). On l'has comprat? Segurament se m'ha passat
>> algun dels enllaços dels companys...
>>
>>
>> El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 20:59, Josep Lladonosa <jllad...@gmail.com>
>> ha escrit:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2016-04-20 20:39 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org>:
>>>
>>>> Bé doncs el FreeDOS el vaig eliminar del tot pensant que no serviria
>>>> per gaire. ja miraré de comentar-ho al post. gràcies per comentar-ho.
>>>>
>>>> sobre lo del firmware iwlwifi és evident que estava connectat per cable
>>>> Ethernet, no ho he comentat perquè m'ha semblat obvi.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Podia haver passat que el paquet .deb hagués estat en el DVD
>>> d'instal·lació. Personalment ho hauria explicitat.
>>> Gràcies per compartir!
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Salut!
>>>>
>>>> El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 20:09, Josep Lladonosa <jllad...@gmail.com>
>>>> ha escrit:
>>>>
>>>>> Hola Jordi
>>>>>
>>>>> 2016-04-20 19:33 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hola de nou,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i perdoneu pel retard, tenia el post del meu blog a punt de penjar
>>>>>> amb l'explicació de la instal·lació de la Debian 8 al nou portàtil que em
>>>>>> vaig comprar i encara no ho havia fet. Tenia previst comentar-vos-ho.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em vaig decidir pel portàtil MSI GP62 2QE Leopard Pro
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jo també tinc un MSI amb Debian i perfecte. Molt interessant l'article
>>>>> sobre la instal·lació.
>>>>>
>>>>> Comentar-te que el FreeDOS pot ser útil per a actualitzacions de BIOS
>>>>> i el firmware d'altres dispositius.
>>>>>
>>>>> Un dubte: per afegir el firmware iwlwifi per a la targeta wifi devies
>>>>> estar connectat per mitjà d'Ethernet, amb fils... ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Salutacions,
>>>>> Josep
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> i aquí teniu l'entrada al meu post, perdoneu si no he explicat prou
>>>>>> bé la instal·lació... però sóc novell en Debian:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://jordi.boixader.com/instalar-gnulinux-debian-8-jessie-a-portatil-msi-gp62-2qe-leopard-pro/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gràcies per totes l

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Jordi Boixader]

Hola,

Al Josep, al fer la instal·lació des del DVD em va dir que li faltaven
aquests paquets (al blog ja hi ha una captura de pantalla), vaig deduir que
en el DVD no hi eren. Al acabar la instal·lació i connectat per cable
Ethernet ho instal·lar, de fet al fer la instal·lació ja estava també
connectat a internet.

Al Moises, ja he modificat lo del sistema operatiu: 

L'he comprat a la botiga online on he comprat els darrers anys.
PCComponentes. volia posar l'enllaç de l'article, però aquest en concret ja
no li tenen. Altres MSI si. (i perdoneu per la "propaganda".

Salut.

El dia 21 d’abril de 2016, 20:43, Moises <moisesgomezgi...@gmail.com> ha
escrit:

> Moltíssimes gràcies Jordi! (i Josep, genial l'avís sobre mantenir FreeDOS!
> Jo també l'hauria eliminat)
>
> Comentes:
>
>> Evidentment anava sense sistema operatiu
>>
>
> Per mi no és evident (snif!). On l'has comprat? Segurament se m'ha passat
> algun dels enllaços dels companys...
>
>
> El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 20:59, Josep Lladonosa <jllad...@gmail.com> ha
> escrit:
>
>>
>>
>> 2016-04-20 20:39 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org>:
>>
>>> Bé doncs el FreeDOS el vaig eliminar del tot pensant que no serviria per
>>> gaire. ja miraré de comentar-ho al post. gràcies per comentar-ho.
>>>
>>> sobre lo del firmware iwlwifi és evident que estava connectat per cable
>>> Ethernet, no ho he comentat perquè m'ha semblat obvi.
>>>
>>
>> Podia haver passat que el paquet .deb hagués estat en el DVD
>> d'instal·lació. Personalment ho hauria explicitat.
>> Gràcies per compartir!
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Salut!
>>>
>>> El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 20:09, Josep Lladonosa <jllad...@gmail.com>
>>> ha escrit:
>>>
>>>> Hola Jordi
>>>>
>>>> 2016-04-20 19:33 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hola de nou,
>>>>>
>>>>> i perdoneu pel retard, tenia el post del meu blog a punt de penjar amb
>>>>> l'explicació de la instal·lació de la Debian 8 al nou portàtil que em vaig
>>>>> comprar i encara no ho havia fet. Tenia previst comentar-vos-ho.
>>>>>
>>>>> Em vaig decidir pel portàtil MSI GP62 2QE Leopard Pro
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jo també tinc un MSI amb Debian i perfecte. Molt interessant l'article
>>>> sobre la instal·lació.
>>>>
>>>> Comentar-te que el FreeDOS pot ser útil per a actualitzacions de BIOS i
>>>> el firmware d'altres dispositius.
>>>>
>>>> Un dubte: per afegir el firmware iwlwifi per a la targeta wifi devies
>>>> estar connectat per mitjà d'Ethernet, amb fils... ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Salutacions,
>>>> Josep
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> i aquí teniu l'entrada al meu post, perdoneu si no he explicat prou bé
>>>>> la instal·lació... però sóc novell en Debian:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://jordi.boixader.com/instalar-gnulinux-debian-8-jessie-a-portatil-msi-gp62-2qe-leopard-pro/
>>>>>
>>>>> Gràcies per totes les propostes, consells, i recomanacions... al final
>>>>> sempre costa triar...
>>>>>
>>>>> Salut.
>>>>>
>>>>> El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 12:22, Moises <moisesgomezgi...@gmail.com>
>>>>> ha escrit:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jordi, podries compartir per quin et vas decidir finalment? Gràcies
>>>>>> per avançat
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El dia 5 de març de 2016, 23:10, Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org>
>>>>>> ha escrit:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moltes gràcies a totes i tots!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ara ja tinc feina a buscar i remenar... serà difícil triar!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Molt agraït a tots!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gent d'aquesta llista, sou molt bona gent!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El dia 4 de març de 2016, 20:29, Josep Lladonosa <jllad...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> > ha escrit:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4 Mar 2016 16:30, "Narcis Garcia" <debianli...@actiu.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > No sabia res del «libre laptop».
>>>>>>>&

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Moises]

Moltíssimes gràcies Jordi! (i Josep, genial l'avís sobre mantenir FreeDOS!
Jo també l'hauria eliminat)

Comentes:

> Evidentment anava sense sistema operatiu
>

Per mi no és evident (snif!). On l'has comprat? Segurament se m'ha passat
algun dels enllaços dels companys...


El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 20:59, Josep Lladonosa <jllad...@gmail.com> ha
escrit:

>
>
> 2016-04-20 20:39 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org>:
>
>> Bé doncs el FreeDOS el vaig eliminar del tot pensant que no serviria per
>> gaire. ja miraré de comentar-ho al post. gràcies per comentar-ho.
>>
>> sobre lo del firmware iwlwifi és evident que estava connectat per cable
>> Ethernet, no ho he comentat perquè m'ha semblat obvi.
>>
>
> Podia haver passat que el paquet .deb hagués estat en el DVD
> d'instal·lació. Personalment ho hauria explicitat.
> Gràcies per compartir!
>
>
>>
>> Salut!
>>
>> El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 20:09, Josep Lladonosa <jllad...@gmail.com>
>> ha escrit:
>>
>>> Hola Jordi
>>>
>>> 2016-04-20 19:33 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org>:
>>>
>>>> Hola de nou,
>>>>
>>>> i perdoneu pel retard, tenia el post del meu blog a punt de penjar amb
>>>> l'explicació de la instal·lació de la Debian 8 al nou portàtil que em vaig
>>>> comprar i encara no ho havia fet. Tenia previst comentar-vos-ho.
>>>>
>>>> Em vaig decidir pel portàtil MSI GP62 2QE Leopard Pro
>>>>
>>>
>>> Jo també tinc un MSI amb Debian i perfecte. Molt interessant l'article
>>> sobre la instal·lació.
>>>
>>> Comentar-te que el FreeDOS pot ser útil per a actualitzacions de BIOS i
>>> el firmware d'altres dispositius.
>>>
>>> Un dubte: per afegir el firmware iwlwifi per a la targeta wifi devies
>>> estar connectat per mitjà d'Ethernet, amb fils... ;-)
>>>
>>> Salutacions,
>>> Josep
>>>
>>>
>>>> i aquí teniu l'entrada al meu post, perdoneu si no he explicat prou bé
>>>> la instal·lació... però sóc novell en Debian:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://jordi.boixader.com/instalar-gnulinux-debian-8-jessie-a-portatil-msi-gp62-2qe-leopard-pro/
>>>>
>>>> Gràcies per totes les propostes, consells, i recomanacions... al final
>>>> sempre costa triar...
>>>>
>>>> Salut.
>>>>
>>>> El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 12:22, Moises <moisesgomezgi...@gmail.com>
>>>> ha escrit:
>>>>
>>>>> Jordi, podries compartir per quin et vas decidir finalment? Gràcies
>>>>> per avançat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> El dia 5 de març de 2016, 23:10, Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org>
>>>>> ha escrit:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Moltes gràcies a totes i tots!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ara ja tinc feina a buscar i remenar... serà difícil triar!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Molt agraït a tots!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gent d'aquesta llista, sou molt bona gent!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El dia 4 de març de 2016, 20:29, Josep Lladonosa <jllad...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> ha escrit:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4 Mar 2016 16:30, "Narcis Garcia" <debianli...@actiu.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > No sabia res del «libre laptop».
>>>>>>> > Hi ha projectes que són com el «cuentu» del fairphone, que fan
>>>>>>> servir
>>>>>>> > materials d'origens més justos per arribar a finalitats igual
>>>>>>> d'injustes
>>>>>>> > amb Android.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Per motius d'ecologia, aleshores un de segona mà. Actualment es
>>>>>>> poden trobar models Thinkpad (personalment m'agrada el T420) o Dell
>>>>>>> precision (m4600 m'agrada), intel 2a generació força assequibles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A tots dos, he provat Debian i hi va perfecte.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > En tot cas, s'ha de buscar el millor possible, perquè la completa
>>>>>>> > coherència és molt difícil de trobar en un món on, la pela és la
>>>>>>> pela, i
>>>>>>> > a tota costa.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > __
>>>>>>> > I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses
>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>> > masked enough at lists.debian.org archives.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > El 04/03/16 a les 16:16, xdru...@tinet.cat ha escrit:
>>>>>>> > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 01:19:19PM +0100, Jaume wrote:
>>>>>>> > >> Ja posats podeu fer un cop d'ull al projecte Novena. Els preus
>>>>>>> són més que prohibitius però és hardware lliure.
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > I ja posats, el Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton segueix en les
>>>>>>> seves (tot i que m'he perdut i ja no sé si
>>>>>>> > > és maquinari obert o no, i Allwinner no em cauen bé):
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/laptop_15in/news/EOMA68_Libre_15.6in_Laptop_casework_completed/
>>>>>>> > > http://rhombus-tech.net/whitepapers/ecocomputing_07sep2015/
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> http://liliputing.com/2016/01/interview-with-eoma68-libre-laptop-developer-luke-kenneth-casson-leighton.html
>>>>>>> > > (sembla que la presentació al FOSDEM no ha quedat enregistrada)
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > Qui sap? igual s'acaba menjant el món.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Salutacions...Josep
>>> --
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> Salutacions...Josep
> --
>

Re: Compra de Portatil per posar-hi una Debian

[Narcis Garcia]

A l'hora de mirar compatibilitats, el xip gràfic és el primer que jo
miro abans de comprar!

No trobo res de 950m ni la sèrie 900m als repositoris per Debian 8.

Ja que estàs obert a instal·lar programari privatiu, aquí tens el
controlador propietat de NVIDIA:
www.nvidia.es
(Fa servir el seu propi instal·lador, que passa per alt el sistema de
paquets i intervé directament el nucli Linux)


El 20/04/16 a les 19:33, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:
> Hola de nou,
> 
> i perdoneu pel retard, tenia el post del meu blog a punt de penjar amb
> l'explicació de la instal·lació de la Debian 8 al nou portàtil que em
> vaig comprar i encara no ho havia fet. Tenia previst comentar-vos-ho.
> 
> Em vaig decidir pel portàtil MSI GP62 2QE Leopard Pro
> 
> i aquí teniu l'entrada al meu post, perdoneu si no he explicat prou bé
> la instal·lació... però sóc novell en Debian: 
> 
> http://jordi.boixader.com/instalar-gnulinux-debian-8-jessie-a-portatil-msi-gp62-2qe-leopard-pro/
> 
> Gràcies per totes les propostes, consells, i recomanacions... al final
> sempre costa triar...
> 
> Salut.
> 
> El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 12:22, Moises <moisesgomezgi...@gmail.com
> <mailto:moisesgomezgi...@gmail.com>> ha escrit:
> 
> Jordi, podries compartir per quin et vas decidir finalment? Gràcies
> per avançat
> 
> 
> El dia 5 de març de 2016, 23:10, Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org
> <mailto:id...@bergueda.org>> ha escrit:
> 
> Moltes gràcies a totes i tots!!!
> 
> ara ja tinc feina a buscar i remenar... serà difícil triar!
> 
> Molt agraït a tots!!
> 
> Gent d'aquesta llista, sou molt bona gent!!!
> 
> El dia 4 de març de 2016, 20:29, Josep Lladonosa
> <jllad...@gmail.com <mailto:jllad...@gmail.com>> ha escrit:
> 
> 
> On 4 Mar 2016 16:30, "Narcis Garcia" <debianli...@actiu.net
> <mailto:debianli...@actiu.net>> wrote:
> >
> > No sabia res del «libre laptop».
> > Hi ha projectes que són com el «cuentu» del fairphone, que fan 
> servir
> > materials d'origens més justos per arribar a finalitats igual 
> d'injustes
> > amb Android.
> 
> Per motius d'ecologia, aleshores un de segona mà. Actualment
> es poden trobar models Thinkpad (personalment m'agrada el
> T420) o Dell precision (m4600 m'agrada), intel 2a generació
> força assequibles.
> 
> A tots dos, he provat Debian i hi va perfecte.
> 
> >
> > En tot cas, s'ha de buscar el millor possible, perquè la
> completa
> > coherència és molt difícil de trobar en un món on, la pela
> és la pela, i
> > a tota costa.
> >
> >
> > __
> > I'm using this express-made address because personal
> addresses aren't
> > masked enough atlists.debian.org <http://lists.debian.org>
> archives.
> >
> > El 04/03/16 a les 16:16,xdru...@tinet.cat
> <mailto:xdru...@tinet.cat> ha escrit:
> > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 01:19:19PM +0100, Jaume wrote:
> > >> Ja posats podeu fer un cop d'ull al projecte Novena.
> Els preus són més que prohibitius però és hardware lliure.
> > >>
> > >>https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena
> <https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena>
> > >>
> > >
> > > I ja posats, el Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton segueix en
> les seves (tot i que m'he perdut i ja no sé si
> > > és maquinari obert o no, i Allwinner no em cauen bé):
> > >
> >
> 
> >http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/laptop_15in/news/EOMA68_Libre_15.6in_Laptop_casework_completed/
> 
> <http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/laptop_15in/news/EOMA68_Libre_15.6in_Laptop_casework_completed/>
> >
> >http://rhombus-tech.net/whitepapers/ecocomputing_07sep2015/
> <http://rhombus-tech.net/whitepapers/ecocomputing_07sep2015/>
> >
> 
> >http://liliputing.com/2016/01/interview-with-eoma68-libre-laptop-developer-luke-kenneth-casson-leighton.html
> 
> <http://liliputing.com/2016/01/interview-with-eoma68-libre-laptop-developer-luke-kenneth-casson-leighton.html>
> > > (sembla que la presentació al FOSDEM no ha quedat
> enregistrada)
> > >
> > > Qui sap? igual s'acaba menjant el món.
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Josep Lladonosa]

2016-04-20 20:39 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org>:

> Bé doncs el FreeDOS el vaig eliminar del tot pensant que no serviria per
> gaire. ja miraré de comentar-ho al post. gràcies per comentar-ho.
>
> sobre lo del firmware iwlwifi és evident que estava connectat per cable
> Ethernet, no ho he comentat perquè m'ha semblat obvi.
>

Podia haver passat que el paquet .deb hagués estat en el DVD
d'instal·lació. Personalment ho hauria explicitat.
Gràcies per compartir!


>
> Salut!
>
> El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 20:09, Josep Lladonosa <jllad...@gmail.com> ha
> escrit:
>
>> Hola Jordi
>>
>> 2016-04-20 19:33 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org>:
>>
>>> Hola de nou,
>>>
>>> i perdoneu pel retard, tenia el post del meu blog a punt de penjar amb
>>> l'explicació de la instal·lació de la Debian 8 al nou portàtil que em vaig
>>> comprar i encara no ho havia fet. Tenia previst comentar-vos-ho.
>>>
>>> Em vaig decidir pel portàtil MSI GP62 2QE Leopard Pro
>>>
>>
>> Jo també tinc un MSI amb Debian i perfecte. Molt interessant l'article
>> sobre la instal·lació.
>>
>> Comentar-te que el FreeDOS pot ser útil per a actualitzacions de BIOS i
>> el firmware d'altres dispositius.
>>
>> Un dubte: per afegir el firmware iwlwifi per a la targeta wifi devies
>> estar connectat per mitjà d'Ethernet, amb fils... ;-)
>>
>> Salutacions,
>> Josep
>>
>>
>>> i aquí teniu l'entrada al meu post, perdoneu si no he explicat prou bé
>>> la instal·lació... però sóc novell en Debian:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://jordi.boixader.com/instalar-gnulinux-debian-8-jessie-a-portatil-msi-gp62-2qe-leopard-pro/
>>>
>>> Gràcies per totes les propostes, consells, i recomanacions... al final
>>> sempre costa triar...
>>>
>>> Salut.
>>>
>>> El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 12:22, Moises <moisesgomezgi...@gmail.com>
>>> ha escrit:
>>>
>>>> Jordi, podries compartir per quin et vas decidir finalment? Gràcies per
>>>> avançat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> El dia 5 de març de 2016, 23:10, Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org>
>>>> ha escrit:
>>>>
>>>>> Moltes gràcies a totes i tots!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> ara ja tinc feina a buscar i remenar... serà difícil triar!
>>>>>
>>>>> Molt agraït a tots!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Gent d'aquesta llista, sou molt bona gent!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> El dia 4 de març de 2016, 20:29, Josep Lladonosa <jllad...@gmail.com>
>>>>> ha escrit:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4 Mar 2016 16:30, "Narcis Garcia" <debianli...@actiu.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > No sabia res del «libre laptop».
>>>>>> > Hi ha projectes que són com el «cuentu» del fairphone, que fan
>>>>>> servir
>>>>>> > materials d'origens més justos per arribar a finalitats igual
>>>>>> d'injustes
>>>>>> > amb Android.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Per motius d'ecologia, aleshores un de segona mà. Actualment es poden
>>>>>> trobar models Thinkpad (personalment m'agrada el T420) o Dell precision
>>>>>> (m4600 m'agrada), intel 2a generació força assequibles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A tots dos, he provat Debian i hi va perfecte.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > En tot cas, s'ha de buscar el millor possible, perquè la completa
>>>>>> > coherència és molt difícil de trobar en un món on, la pela és la
>>>>>> pela, i
>>>>>> > a tota costa.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > __
>>>>>> > I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses
>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>> > masked enough at lists.debian.org archives.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > El 04/03/16 a les 16:16, xdru...@tinet.cat ha escrit:
>>>>>> > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 01:19:19PM +0100, Jaume wrote:
>>>>>> > >> Ja posats podeu fer un cop d'ull al projecte Novena. Els preus
>>>>>> són més que prohibitius però és hardware lliure.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > I ja posats, el Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton segueix en les seves
>>>>>> (tot i que m'he perdut i ja no sé si
>>>>>> > > és maquinari obert o no, i Allwinner no em cauen bé):
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/laptop_15in/news/EOMA68_Libre_15.6in_Laptop_casework_completed/
>>>>>> > > http://rhombus-tech.net/whitepapers/ecocomputing_07sep2015/
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> http://liliputing.com/2016/01/interview-with-eoma68-libre-laptop-developer-luke-kenneth-casson-leighton.html
>>>>>> > > (sembla que la presentació al FOSDEM no ha quedat enregistrada)
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Qui sap? igual s'acaba menjant el món.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Salutacions...Josep
>> --
>>
>
>


-- 
--
Salutacions...Josep
--

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Josep Lladonosa]

Hola Jordi

2016-04-20 19:33 GMT+02:00 Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org>:

> Hola de nou,
>
> i perdoneu pel retard, tenia el post del meu blog a punt de penjar amb
> l'explicació de la instal·lació de la Debian 8 al nou portàtil que em vaig
> comprar i encara no ho havia fet. Tenia previst comentar-vos-ho.
>
> Em vaig decidir pel portàtil MSI GP62 2QE Leopard Pro
>

Jo també tinc un MSI amb Debian i perfecte. Molt interessant l'article
sobre la instal·lació.

Comentar-te que el FreeDOS pot ser útil per a actualitzacions de BIOS i el
firmware d'altres dispositius.

Un dubte: per afegir el firmware iwlwifi per a la targeta wifi devies estar
connectat per mitjà d'Ethernet, amb fils... ;-)

Salutacions,
Josep


> i aquí teniu l'entrada al meu post, perdoneu si no he explicat prou bé la
> instal·lació... però sóc novell en Debian:
>
>
> http://jordi.boixader.com/instalar-gnulinux-debian-8-jessie-a-portatil-msi-gp62-2qe-leopard-pro/
>
> Gràcies per totes les propostes, consells, i recomanacions... al final
> sempre costa triar...
>
> Salut.
>
> El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 12:22, Moises <moisesgomezgi...@gmail.com> ha
> escrit:
>
>> Jordi, podries compartir per quin et vas decidir finalment? Gràcies per
>> avançat
>>
>>
>> El dia 5 de març de 2016, 23:10, Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org> ha
>> escrit:
>>
>>> Moltes gràcies a totes i tots!!!
>>>
>>> ara ja tinc feina a buscar i remenar... serà difícil triar!
>>>
>>> Molt agraït a tots!!
>>>
>>> Gent d'aquesta llista, sou molt bona gent!!!
>>>
>>> El dia 4 de març de 2016, 20:29, Josep Lladonosa <jllad...@gmail.com>
>>> ha escrit:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4 Mar 2016 16:30, "Narcis Garcia" <debianli...@actiu.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > No sabia res del «libre laptop».
>>>> > Hi ha projectes que són com el «cuentu» del fairphone, que fan servir
>>>> > materials d'origens més justos per arribar a finalitats igual
>>>> d'injustes
>>>> > amb Android.
>>>>
>>>> Per motius d'ecologia, aleshores un de segona mà. Actualment es poden
>>>> trobar models Thinkpad (personalment m'agrada el T420) o Dell precision
>>>> (m4600 m'agrada), intel 2a generació força assequibles.
>>>>
>>>> A tots dos, he provat Debian i hi va perfecte.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > En tot cas, s'ha de buscar el millor possible, perquè la completa
>>>> > coherència és molt difícil de trobar en un món on, la pela és la
>>>> pela, i
>>>> > a tota costa.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > __
>>>> > I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
>>>> > masked enough at lists.debian.org archives.
>>>> >
>>>> > El 04/03/16 a les 16:16, xdru...@tinet.cat ha escrit:
>>>> > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 01:19:19PM +0100, Jaume wrote:
>>>> > >> Ja posats podeu fer un cop d'ull al projecte Novena. Els preus són
>>>> més que prohibitius però és hardware lliure.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I ja posats, el Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton segueix en les seves
>>>> (tot i que m'he perdut i ja no sé si
>>>> > > és maquinari obert o no, i Allwinner no em cauen bé):
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/laptop_15in/news/EOMA68_Libre_15.6in_Laptop_casework_completed/
>>>> > > http://rhombus-tech.net/whitepapers/ecocomputing_07sep2015/
>>>> > >
>>>> http://liliputing.com/2016/01/interview-with-eoma68-libre-laptop-developer-luke-kenneth-casson-leighton.html
>>>> > > (sembla que la presentació al FOSDEM no ha quedat enregistrada)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Qui sap? igual s'acaba menjant el món.
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>


-- 
--
Salutacions...Josep
--

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Jordi Boixader]

Hola de nou,

i perdoneu pel retard, tenia el post del meu blog a punt de penjar amb
l'explicació de la instal·lació de la Debian 8 al nou portàtil que em vaig
comprar i encara no ho havia fet. Tenia previst comentar-vos-ho.

Em vaig decidir pel portàtil MSI GP62 2QE Leopard Pro

i aquí teniu l'entrada al meu post, perdoneu si no he explicat prou bé la
instal·lació... però sóc novell en Debian:

http://jordi.boixader.com/instalar-gnulinux-debian-8-jessie-a-portatil-msi-gp62-2qe-leopard-pro/

Gràcies per totes les propostes, consells, i recomanacions... al final
sempre costa triar...

Salut.

El dia 20 d’abril de 2016, 12:22, Moises <moisesgomezgi...@gmail.com> ha
escrit:

> Jordi, podries compartir per quin et vas decidir finalment? Gràcies per
> avançat
>
>
> El dia 5 de març de 2016, 23:10, Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org> ha
> escrit:
>
>> Moltes gràcies a totes i tots!!!
>>
>> ara ja tinc feina a buscar i remenar... serà difícil triar!
>>
>> Molt agraït a tots!!
>>
>> Gent d'aquesta llista, sou molt bona gent!!!
>>
>> El dia 4 de març de 2016, 20:29, Josep Lladonosa <jllad...@gmail.com> ha
>> escrit:
>>
>>>
>>> On 4 Mar 2016 16:30, "Narcis Garcia" <debianli...@actiu.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > No sabia res del «libre laptop».
>>> > Hi ha projectes que són com el «cuentu» del fairphone, que fan servir
>>> > materials d'origens més justos per arribar a finalitats igual
>>> d'injustes
>>> > amb Android.
>>>
>>> Per motius d'ecologia, aleshores un de segona mà. Actualment es poden
>>> trobar models Thinkpad (personalment m'agrada el T420) o Dell precision
>>> (m4600 m'agrada), intel 2a generació força assequibles.
>>>
>>> A tots dos, he provat Debian i hi va perfecte.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > En tot cas, s'ha de buscar el millor possible, perquè la completa
>>> > coherència és molt difícil de trobar en un món on, la pela és la pela,
>>> i
>>> > a tota costa.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > __
>>> > I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
>>> > masked enough at lists.debian.org archives.
>>> >
>>> > El 04/03/16 a les 16:16, xdru...@tinet.cat ha escrit:
>>> > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 01:19:19PM +0100, Jaume wrote:
>>> > >> Ja posats podeu fer un cop d'ull al projecte Novena. Els preus són
>>> més que prohibitius però és hardware lliure.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > > I ja posats, el Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton segueix en les seves
>>> (tot i que m'he perdut i ja no sé si
>>> > > és maquinari obert o no, i Allwinner no em cauen bé):
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/laptop_15in/news/EOMA68_Libre_15.6in_Laptop_casework_completed/
>>> > > http://rhombus-tech.net/whitepapers/ecocomputing_07sep2015/
>>> > >
>>> http://liliputing.com/2016/01/interview-with-eoma68-libre-laptop-developer-luke-kenneth-casson-leighton.html
>>> > > (sembla que la presentació al FOSDEM no ha quedat enregistrada)
>>> > >
>>> > > Qui sap? igual s'acaba menjant el món.
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Moises]

Jordi, podries compartir per quin et vas decidir finalment? Gràcies per
avançat


El dia 5 de març de 2016, 23:10, Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org> ha
escrit:

> Moltes gràcies a totes i tots!!!
>
> ara ja tinc feina a buscar i remenar... serà difícil triar!
>
> Molt agraït a tots!!
>
> Gent d'aquesta llista, sou molt bona gent!!!
>
> El dia 4 de març de 2016, 20:29, Josep Lladonosa <jllad...@gmail.com> ha
> escrit:
>
>>
>> On 4 Mar 2016 16:30, "Narcis Garcia" <debianli...@actiu.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > No sabia res del «libre laptop».
>> > Hi ha projectes que són com el «cuentu» del fairphone, que fan servir
>> > materials d'origens més justos per arribar a finalitats igual d'injustes
>> > amb Android.
>>
>> Per motius d'ecologia, aleshores un de segona mà. Actualment es poden
>> trobar models Thinkpad (personalment m'agrada el T420) o Dell precision
>> (m4600 m'agrada), intel 2a generació força assequibles.
>>
>> A tots dos, he provat Debian i hi va perfecte.
>>
>> >
>> > En tot cas, s'ha de buscar el millor possible, perquè la completa
>> > coherència és molt difícil de trobar en un món on, la pela és la pela, i
>> > a tota costa.
>> >
>> >
>> > __
>> > I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
>> > masked enough at lists.debian.org archives.
>> >
>> > El 04/03/16 a les 16:16, xdru...@tinet.cat ha escrit:
>> > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 01:19:19PM +0100, Jaume wrote:
>> > >> Ja posats podeu fer un cop d'ull al projecte Novena. Els preus són
>> més que prohibitius però és hardware lliure.
>> > >>
>> > >> https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > I ja posats, el Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton segueix en les seves
>> (tot i que m'he perdut i ja no sé si
>> > > és maquinari obert o no, i Allwinner no em cauen bé):
>> > >
>> > >
>> http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/laptop_15in/news/EOMA68_Libre_15.6in_Laptop_casework_completed/
>> > > http://rhombus-tech.net/whitepapers/ecocomputing_07sep2015/
>> > >
>> http://liliputing.com/2016/01/interview-with-eoma68-libre-laptop-developer-luke-kenneth-casson-leighton.html
>> > > (sembla que la presentació al FOSDEM no ha quedat enregistrada)
>> > >
>> > > Qui sap? igual s'acaba menjant el món.
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Jordi Boixader]

Moltes gràcies a totes i tots!!!

ara ja tinc feina a buscar i remenar... serà difícil triar!

Molt agraït a tots!!

Gent d'aquesta llista, sou molt bona gent!!!

El dia 4 de març de 2016, 20:29, Josep Lladonosa <jllad...@gmail.com> ha
escrit:

>
> On 4 Mar 2016 16:30, "Narcis Garcia" <debianli...@actiu.net> wrote:
> >
> > No sabia res del «libre laptop».
> > Hi ha projectes que són com el «cuentu» del fairphone, que fan servir
> > materials d'origens més justos per arribar a finalitats igual d'injustes
> > amb Android.
>
> Per motius d'ecologia, aleshores un de segona mà. Actualment es poden
> trobar models Thinkpad (personalment m'agrada el T420) o Dell precision
> (m4600 m'agrada), intel 2a generació força assequibles.
>
> A tots dos, he provat Debian i hi va perfecte.
>
> >
> > En tot cas, s'ha de buscar el millor possible, perquè la completa
> > coherència és molt difícil de trobar en un món on, la pela és la pela, i
> > a tota costa.
> >
> >
> > __
> > I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
> > masked enough at lists.debian.org archives.
> >
> > El 04/03/16 a les 16:16, xdru...@tinet.cat ha escrit:
> > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 01:19:19PM +0100, Jaume wrote:
> > >> Ja posats podeu fer un cop d'ull al projecte Novena. Els preus són
> més que prohibitius però és hardware lliure.
> > >>
> > >> https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena
> > >>
> > >
> > > I ja posats, el Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton segueix en les seves (tot
> i que m'he perdut i ja no sé si
> > > és maquinari obert o no, i Allwinner no em cauen bé):
> > >
> > >
> http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/laptop_15in/news/EOMA68_Libre_15.6in_Laptop_casework_completed/
> > > http://rhombus-tech.net/whitepapers/ecocomputing_07sep2015/
> > >
> http://liliputing.com/2016/01/interview-with-eoma68-libre-laptop-developer-luke-kenneth-casson-leighton.html
> > > (sembla que la presentació al FOSDEM no ha quedat enregistrada)
> > >
> > > Qui sap? igual s'acaba menjant el món.
> > >
> >
>

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Josep Lladonosa]

On 4 Mar 2016 16:30, "Narcis Garcia" <debianli...@actiu.net> wrote:
>
> No sabia res del «libre laptop».
> Hi ha projectes que són com el «cuentu» del fairphone, que fan servir
> materials d'origens més justos per arribar a finalitats igual d'injustes
> amb Android.

Per motius d'ecologia, aleshores un de segona mà. Actualment es poden
trobar models Thinkpad (personalment m'agrada el T420) o Dell precision
(m4600 m'agrada), intel 2a generació força assequibles.

A tots dos, he provat Debian i hi va perfecte.

>
> En tot cas, s'ha de buscar el millor possible, perquè la completa
> coherència és molt difícil de trobar en un món on, la pela és la pela, i
> a tota costa.
>
>
> __
> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
> masked enough at lists.debian.org archives.
>
> El 04/03/16 a les 16:16, xdru...@tinet.cat ha escrit:
> > On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 01:19:19PM +0100, Jaume wrote:
> >> Ja posats podeu fer un cop d'ull al projecte Novena. Els preus són més
que prohibitius però és hardware lliure.
> >>
> >> https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena
> >>
> >
> > I ja posats, el Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton segueix en les seves (tot
i que m'he perdut i ja no sé si
> > és maquinari obert o no, i Allwinner no em cauen bé):
> >
> >
http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/laptop_15in/news/EOMA68_Libre_15.6in_Laptop_casework_completed/
> > http://rhombus-tech.net/whitepapers/ecocomputing_07sep2015/
> >
http://liliputing.com/2016/01/interview-with-eoma68-libre-laptop-developer-luke-kenneth-casson-leighton.html
> > (sembla que la presentació al FOSDEM no ha quedat enregistrada)
> >
> > Qui sap? igual s'acaba menjant el món.
> >
>

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Narcis Garcia]

No sabia res del «libre laptop».
Hi ha projectes que són com el «cuentu» del fairphone, que fan servir
materials d'origens més justos per arribar a finalitats igual d'injustes
amb Android.

En tot cas, s'ha de buscar el millor possible, perquè la completa
coherència és molt difícil de trobar en un món on, la pela és la pela, i
a tota costa.


__
I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
masked enough at lists.debian.org archives.

El 04/03/16 a les 16:16, xdru...@tinet.cat ha escrit:
> On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 01:19:19PM +0100, Jaume wrote:
>> Ja posats podeu fer un cop d'ull al projecte Novena. Els preus són més que 
>> prohibitius però és hardware lliure.
>>
>> https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena
>>
> 
> I ja posats, el Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton segueix en les seves (tot i que 
> m'he perdut i ja no sé si 
> és maquinari obert o no, i Allwinner no em cauen bé): 
>  
> http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/laptop_15in/news/EOMA68_Libre_15.6in_Laptop_casework_completed/
> http://rhombus-tech.net/whitepapers/ecocomputing_07sep2015/
> http://liliputing.com/2016/01/interview-with-eoma68-libre-laptop-developer-luke-kenneth-casson-leighton.html
> (sembla que la presentació al FOSDEM no ha quedat enregistrada) 
> 
> Qui sap? igual s'acaba menjant el món. 
> 

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[xdrudis]

On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 01:19:19PM +0100, Jaume wrote:
> Ja posats podeu fer un cop d'ull al projecte Novena. Els preus són més que 
> prohibitius però és hardware lliure.
> 
> https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena
>

I ja posats, el Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton segueix en les seves (tot i que 
m'he perdut i ja no sé si 
és maquinari obert o no, i Allwinner no em cauen bé): 
 
http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/laptop_15in/news/EOMA68_Libre_15.6in_Laptop_casework_completed/
http://rhombus-tech.net/whitepapers/ecocomputing_07sep2015/
http://liliputing.com/2016/01/interview-with-eoma68-libre-laptop-developer-luke-kenneth-casson-leighton.html
(sembla que la presentació al FOSDEM no ha quedat enregistrada) 

Qui sap? igual s'acaba menjant el món. 

Re: Compra de Portatil per posar-hi una Debian

[Narcis Garcia]

purism, minifree, novena, slimbook, guinos,...
Algú podria actualitzar la pàgina de botigues del Gilug? Va molt bé per
adreçar la gent que consulta el mateix tema.



El 03/03/16 a les 20:34, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
> Llàstima que Cioce, majorista barceloní de portàtils clònics, va plegar.
> 
> Aquest majorista de Girona ven portàtils «amb FreeDOS»:
> www.nineteam.com
> 
> Els que ja munten amb Ubutu, segur que funcionen a la perfecció amb Debian:
> www.dell.es/ubuntu
> 
> I aquí el directori del GiLUG on, si us plau, tothom és convidat a
> aportar referències:
> http://wiki.gilug.org/index.php/Botigues
> 
> 
> __
> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
> masked enough at lists.debian.org archives.
> 
> El 03/03/16 a les 18:38, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:
>> Hola,
>>
>> Tinc intenció de comprar-me un portàtil, i evidentment hi vull posar una
>> Debian. No em fa falta cap Supermàquina, però tampoc vull anar faltat de
>> recursos. Per Navegar, trastejar pagines web, editar fotos amb GIMP,
>> editar algun vídeo, documents, Scribus, fer pings a guifi.net
>> <http://guifi.net> ... (ara tinc una Torre Sobretaula del 2009, I7 920,
>> 6 Gb de Ram, GTX 285 1Gb... i mai s'ha fet petit)
>>
>> Algú s'ha comprat últimament algun portàtil i hi ha posat la Debian, se
>> suposa que sense S.O de sèrie. Sabeu d'algun web on venguin portàtils així?
>>
>> P.D.: perdoneu si demano algo que no sigui exclusiu de la llista, si és
>> el cas, no contesteu i demano disculpes.
>>
>> Salut
>> jordi.boixader.com <http://jordi.boixader.com>
>>
>>
> 

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Jaume]

Ja posats podeu fer un cop d'ull al projecte Novena. Els preus són més que 
prohibitius però és hardware lliure.

https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena

On 4 de març de 2016 12:07:16 CET, Roger Sicart <roger.sic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Bones llista,
>
>jo tinc un TOSHIBA SATELLITE U940-11U amb Debian Jessie no he tingut
>cap
>problema de moment.
>M'he estat mirant els Slimbook que comentava la Nuria i tenen bona
>pinta ^^.
>
>Salut, bon cap de setmana
>
>--
>
>R. Sicart
>
>2016-03-04 11:31 GMT+01:00 Josep Nieto <jni...@tinet.cat>:
>
>> Hola.
>> Jo vaig comprar un Thinkpad X220 de segona mà i tinc una partició amb
>> Debian Jessie. De moment funciona prou be.
>> Salut,
>> Pep
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> El 04/03/2016 a les 09:41, Núria Alonso ha escrit:
>>
>> Hola,
>>
>> a la feina hem comprat un slimbook https://slimbook.es/ i ens està
>donant
>> molt bons resultats.
>>
>> Pots comprar-lo sense s.o. instal·lat o amb ubuntu / debian / ...
>> Ara bé, tenen pantalles de 13' així que si vols dedicar-lo a edició
>de
>> vídeo potser no és la opció ideal!
>>
>> Núria
>>
>> El 03/03/16 a les 18:38, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:
>>
>> Hola,
>>
>> Tinc intenció de comprar-me un portàtil, i evidentment hi vull posar
>una
>> Debian. No em fa falta cap Supermàquina, però tampoc vull anar faltat
>de
>> recursos. Per Navegar, trastejar pagines web, editar fotos amb GIMP,
>editar
>> algun vídeo, documents, Scribus, fer pings a guifi.net ... (ara tinc
>una
>> Torre Sobretaula del 2009, I7 920, 6 Gb de Ram, GTX 285 1Gb... i mai
>s'ha
>> fet petit)
>>
>> Algú s'ha comprat últimament algun portàtil i hi ha posat la Debian,
>se
>> suposa que sense S.O de sèrie. Sabeu d'algun web on venguin portàtils
>així?
>>
>> P.D.: perdoneu si demano algo que no sigui exclusiu de la llista, si
>és el
>> cas, no contesteu i demano disculpes.
>>
>> Salut
>> jordi.boixader.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> [image: Logo el Teb] <http://elteb.org> Núria Alonso
>>
>> Associació per a Joves TEB <http://elteb.org>
>> C. Dels Salvador, 6, baixos
>> 08001 Barcelona
>> Tel. (00 34) 93 442 58 67
>> nuria.alo...@elteb.org
>>
>> Aquest missatge s'adreça exclusivament a qui va destinat i pot
>contenir
>> informació privilegiada o confidencial i dades de caràcter personal,
>la
>> difusió de les quals és regulada per la Llei orgànica de protecció de
>dades
>> i la Llei de serveis de la societat de la informació. Si no sou la
>persona
>> destinatària indicada (o la responsable de lliurar-lo a qui va
>destinat),
>> no heu de copiar aquest missatge ni lliurar-lo a tercers per cap
>concepte.
>> Si heu rebut aquest missatge per error o l'heu aconseguit per altres
>> mitjans, us demanem que ens ho comuniqueu immediatament per aquesta
>mateixa
>> via i l'elimineu irreversiblement. D'acord amb la LOPD 15/1999, i la
>> LSSICE 34/2002, informem que les seves dades personals formaran part
>d un
>> fitxer automatitzat titularitat de l ASSOCIACIÓ PER A JOVES TEB i les
>> entitats TEB FUNDACIÓ PEL TREBALL SOCIAL AMB LES TIC i RAVALNET, amb
>la
>> finalitat d informació, tramitació i gestió global de les activitats
>de
>> l'entitat, sempre d'acord amb els nostres objectius socials
>establerts als
>> estatuts de l'associació. Aquestes dades també podran ser utilitzades
>per a
>> la gestió de subvencions públiques i/o privades d'acord amb els
>objectius
>> socials de les entitats. En qualsevol moment pot exercir els drets d
>accés,
>> rectificació, cancel·lació i oposició a C/Dels Salvador, 6 baixos
>08001
>> Barcelona.
>>
>> Abans d'imprimir aquest missatge electrònic penseu en el medi
>ambient!
>>
>>
>>
>>

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Roger Sicart]

Bones llista,

jo tinc un TOSHIBA SATELLITE U940-11U amb Debian Jessie no he tingut cap
problema de moment.
M'he estat mirant els Slimbook que comentava la Nuria i tenen bona pinta ^^.

Salut, bon cap de setmana

--

R. Sicart

2016-03-04 11:31 GMT+01:00 Josep Nieto <jni...@tinet.cat>:

> Hola.
> Jo vaig comprar un Thinkpad X220 de segona mà i tinc una partició amb
> Debian Jessie. De moment funciona prou be.
> Salut,
> Pep
>
>
>
>
> El 04/03/2016 a les 09:41, Núria Alonso ha escrit:
>
> Hola,
>
> a la feina hem comprat un slimbook https://slimbook.es/ i ens està donant
> molt bons resultats.
>
> Pots comprar-lo sense s.o. instal·lat o amb ubuntu / debian / ...
> Ara bé, tenen pantalles de 13' així que si vols dedicar-lo a edició de
> vídeo potser no és la opció ideal!
>
> Núria
>
> El 03/03/16 a les 18:38, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:
>
> Hola,
>
> Tinc intenció de comprar-me un portàtil, i evidentment hi vull posar una
> Debian. No em fa falta cap Supermàquina, però tampoc vull anar faltat de
> recursos. Per Navegar, trastejar pagines web, editar fotos amb GIMP, editar
> algun vídeo, documents, Scribus, fer pings a guifi.net ... (ara tinc una
> Torre Sobretaula del 2009, I7 920, 6 Gb de Ram, GTX 285 1Gb... i mai s'ha
> fet petit)
>
> Algú s'ha comprat últimament algun portàtil i hi ha posat la Debian, se
> suposa que sense S.O de sèrie. Sabeu d'algun web on venguin portàtils així?
>
> P.D.: perdoneu si demano algo que no sigui exclusiu de la llista, si és el
> cas, no contesteu i demano disculpes.
>
> Salut
> jordi.boixader.com
>
>
>
> --
> [image: Logo el Teb] <http://elteb.org> Núria Alonso
>
> Associació per a Joves TEB <http://elteb.org>
> C. Dels Salvador, 6, baixos
> 08001 Barcelona
> Tel. (00 34) 93 442 58 67
> nuria.alo...@elteb.org
>
> Aquest missatge s'adreça exclusivament a qui va destinat i pot contenir
> informació privilegiada o confidencial i dades de caràcter personal, la
> difusió de les quals és regulada per la Llei orgànica de protecció de dades
> i la Llei de serveis de la societat de la informació. Si no sou la persona
> destinatària indicada (o la responsable de lliurar-lo a qui va destinat),
> no heu de copiar aquest missatge ni lliurar-lo a tercers per cap concepte.
> Si heu rebut aquest missatge per error o l'heu aconseguit per altres
> mitjans, us demanem que ens ho comuniqueu immediatament per aquesta mateixa
> via i l'elimineu irreversiblement. D'acord amb la LOPD 15/1999, i la
> LSSICE 34/2002, informem que les seves dades personals formaran part d un
> fitxer automatitzat titularitat de l ASSOCIACIÓ PER A JOVES TEB i les
> entitats TEB FUNDACIÓ PEL TREBALL SOCIAL AMB LES TIC i RAVALNET, amb la
> finalitat d informació, tramitació i gestió global de les activitats de
> l'entitat, sempre d'acord amb els nostres objectius socials establerts als
> estatuts de l'associació. Aquestes dades també podran ser utilitzades per a
> la gestió de subvencions públiques i/o privades d'acord amb els objectius
> socials de les entitats. En qualsevol moment pot exercir els drets d accés,
> rectificació, cancel·lació i oposició a C/Dels Salvador, 6 baixos 08001
> Barcelona.
>
> Abans d'imprimir aquest missatge electrònic penseu en el medi ambient!
>
>
>
>

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Josep Nieto]

Hola.
Jo vaig comprar un Thinkpad X220 de segona mà i tinc una partició amb
Debian Jessie. De moment funciona prou be.
Salut,
Pep



El 04/03/2016 a les 09:41, Núria Alonso ha escrit:
> Hola,
>
> a la feina hem comprat un slimbook https://slimbook.es/ i ens està
> donant molt bons resultats.
>
> Pots comprar-lo sense s.o. instal·lat o amb ubuntu / debian / ...
> Ara bé, tenen pantalles de 13' així que si vols dedicar-lo a edició de
> vídeo potser no és la opció ideal!
>
> Núria
>
> El 03/03/16 a les 18:38, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:
>> Hola,
>>
>> Tinc intenció de comprar-me un portàtil, i evidentment hi vull posar
>> una Debian. No em fa falta cap Supermàquina, però tampoc vull anar
>> faltat de recursos. Per Navegar, trastejar pagines web, editar fotos
>> amb GIMP, editar algun vídeo, documents, Scribus, fer pings a
>> guifi.net <http://guifi.net> ... (ara tinc una Torre Sobretaula del
>> 2009, I7 920, 6 Gb de Ram, GTX 285 1Gb... i mai s'ha fet petit)
>>
>> Algú s'ha comprat últimament algun portàtil i hi ha posat la Debian,
>> se suposa que sense S.O de sèrie. Sabeu d'algun web on venguin
>> portàtils així?
>>
>> P.D.: perdoneu si demano algo que no sigui exclusiu de la llista, si
>> és el cas, no contesteu i demano disculpes.
>>
>> Salut
>> jordi.boixader.com <http://jordi.boixader.com>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Logo el Teb <http://elteb.org>
> **Núria Alonso
>
> Associació per a Joves TEB <http://elteb.org>
> C. Dels Salvador, 6, baixos
> 08001 Barcelona
> Tel. (00 34) 93 442 58 67
> nuria.alo...@elteb.org <mailto:nuria.alo...@elteb.org>
>
> Aquest missatge s'adreça exclusivament a qui va destinat i pot
> contenir informació privilegiada o confidencial i dades de caràcter
> personal, la difusió de les quals és regulada per la Llei orgànica de
> protecció de dades i la Llei de serveis de la societat de la
> informació. Si no sou la persona destinatària indicada (o la
> responsable de lliurar-lo a qui va destinat), no heu de copiar aquest
> missatge ni lliurar-lo a tercers per cap concepte. Si heu rebut aquest
> missatge per error o l'heu aconseguit per altres mitjans, us demanem
> que ens ho comuniqueu immediatament per aquesta mateixa via i
> l'elimineu irreversiblement.
>
> D'acord amb la LOPD 15/1999, i la LSSICE 34/2002, informem que les
> seves dades personals formaran part dun fitxer automatitzat
> titularitat de lASSOCIACIÓ PER A JOVES TEB i les entitats TEB
> FUNDACIÓ PEL TREBALL SOCIAL AMB LES TIC i RAVALNET, amb la finalitat
> dinformació, tramitació i gestió global de les activitats de
> l'entitat, sempre d'acord amb els nostres objectius socials establerts
> als estatuts de l'associació. Aquestes dades també podran ser
> utilitzades per a la gestió de subvencions públiques i/o privades
> d'acord amb els objectius socials de les entitats. En qualsevol moment
> pot exercir els drets daccés, rectificació, cancel·lació i oposició a
> C/Dels Salvador, 6 baixos 08001 Barcelona.
>
> Abans d'imprimir aquest missatge electrònic penseu en el medi ambient!
>

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Ernest Adrogué]

2016-03- 4, 10:36 (+0100); xdru...@tinet.cat escriu:
> Els PCs moderns, portàtils o no, tenen tots problemes de programari
> incrustat que inclou massa infraestructura per al control remot. Si no
> els poses els blobs signats pel fabricant ni tan sols arrenquen. I ara
> es posa de moda afegir blobs signats per a la GPU també. Però es veu que
> la gent deu pagar un ordinador perquè pertanyi a un altre (al fabricant, 
> al seu govern, a qui compri algun dia al fabricant i es quedi amb la seva
> clau, a qui li robi...). 
> 
> https://libreboot.org/faq/#intel
> 

Fa poc vaig veure un video interessant sobre el tema:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6bJ5b8Dgoc

La conclusió (spoiler alert) és que actualment no existeix cap portàtil que
no tingui xips susceptibles de ser utilitzats amb finalitats d'espionatge
sense coneixement de l'usuari.

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Núria Alonso]

Hola,

a la feina hem comprat un slimbook https://slimbook.es/ i ens està 
donant molt bons resultats.


Pots comprar-lo sense s.o. instal·lat o amb ubuntu / debian / ...
Ara bé, tenen pantalles de 13' així que si vols dedicar-lo a edició de 
vídeo potser no és la opció ideal!


Núria

El 03/03/16 a les 18:38, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:

Hola,

Tinc intenció de comprar-me un portàtil, i evidentment hi vull posar 
una Debian. No em fa falta cap Supermàquina, però tampoc vull anar 
faltat de recursos. Per Navegar, trastejar pagines web, editar fotos 
amb GIMP, editar algun vídeo, documents, Scribus, fer pings a 
guifi.net <http://guifi.net> ... (ara tinc una Torre Sobretaula del 
2009, I7 920, 6 Gb de Ram, GTX 285 1Gb... i mai s'ha fet petit)


Algú s'ha comprat últimament algun portàtil i hi ha posat la Debian, 
se suposa que sense S.O de sèrie. Sabeu d'algun web on venguin 
portàtils així?


P.D.: perdoneu si demano algo que no sigui exclusiu de la llista, si 
és el cas, no contesteu i demano disculpes.


Salut
jordi.boixader.com <http://jordi.boixader.com>




--
Logo el Teb <http://elteb.org>
**Núria Alonso

Associació per a Joves TEB <http://elteb.org>
C. Dels Salvador, 6, baixos
08001 Barcelona
Tel. (00 34) 93 442 58 67
nuria.alo...@elteb.org <mailto:nuria.alo...@elteb.org>

Aquest missatge s'adreça exclusivament a qui va destinat i pot contenir 
informació privilegiada o confidencial i dades de caràcter personal, la 
difusió de les quals és regulada per la Llei orgànica de protecció de 
dades i la Llei de serveis de la societat de la informació. Si no sou la 
persona destinatària indicada (o la responsable de lliurar-lo a qui va 
destinat), no heu de copiar aquest missatge ni lliurar-lo a tercers per 
cap concepte. Si heu rebut aquest missatge per error o l'heu aconseguit 
per altres mitjans, us demanem que ens ho comuniqueu immediatament per 
aquesta mateixa via i l'elimineu irreversiblement.


D'acord amb la LOPD 15/1999, i la LSSICE 34/2002, informem que les seves 
dades personals formaran part dun fitxer automatitzat titularitat de 
lASSOCIACIÓ PER A JOVES TEB i les entitats TEB FUNDACIÓ PEL TREBALL 
SOCIAL AMB LES TIC i RAVALNET, amb la finalitat dinformació, tramitació 
i gestió global de les activitats de l'entitat, sempre d'acord amb els 
nostres objectius socials establerts als estatuts de l'associació. 
Aquestes dades també podran ser utilitzades per a la gestió de 
subvencions públiques i/o privades d'acord amb els objectius socials de 
les entitats. En qualsevol moment pot exercir els drets daccés, 
rectificació, cancel·lació i oposició a C/Dels Salvador, 6 baixos 08001 
Barcelona.


Abans d'imprimir aquest missatge electrònic penseu en el medi ambient!

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Ricard Pradell]

Jo tinc un minfree https://minifree.org/ .
Són Lenovo, no són nous, no són barats, venen amb teclat anglès... peró
fins i tot la BIOS és lliure (libreboot). Avalats per la FSF i amb Trisquel
(un derivat de Ubuntu-Debian bastant apanyadet)



El dia 3 de març de 2016, 23:17, Sisco Garcia <sisco.gar...@ubuntu.cat> ha
escrit:

>
>
> El 03/03/16 a les 18:38, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:
>
> Hola,
>
> Tinc intenció de comprar-me un portàtil, i evidentment hi vull posar una
> Debian. No em fa falta cap Supermàquina, però tampoc vull anar faltat de
> recursos. Per Navegar, trastejar pagines web, editar fotos amb GIMP, editar
> algun vídeo, documents, Scribus, fer pings a guifi.net ... (ara tinc una
> Torre Sobretaula del 2009, I7 920, 6 Gb de Ram, GTX 285 1Gb... i mai s'ha
> fet petit)
>
> Algú s'ha comprat últimament algun portàtil i hi ha posat la Debian, se
> suposa que sense S.O de sèrie. Sabeu d'algun web on venguin portàtils així?
>
> Prova https://slimbook.es/ el vénen sense SO i si vols t'hi instal·len
> debian ;)
>
> Van estar a l'última festa d'ubuntu [1] a Olot i feien bona pinta [2]
>
> [1]
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CatalanTeam/Activitats//WilyWerewolf#Lloc_i_programa_d.27activitats
> [2] https://www.flickr.com/photos/95771549@N08/sets/72157661664497971
>
> P.D.: perdoneu si demano algo que no sigui exclusiu de la llista, si és el
> cas, no contesteu i demano disculpes.
>
> Salut
> jordi.boixader.com
>
>
>
> --
> Sisco Garcia gpg 00CE95B1http://siscogarcia.wordpress.com
>
> Ací treballem amb GNU-LINUX UBUNTU en català.
> Ubuntu Registered User #17544
> Linux Registered User #456988
> Membre de la Free Software Foundation #7289 
> <http://www.fsf.org/jf?referrer=7289> <http://www.fsf.org/jf?referrer=7289>
> __
> P Abans d'imprimir aquest correu pensa bé si és necessari fer-ho.
>
>

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Orestes Mas]

El Dijous, 3 de març de 2016, a les 18:38:51, Jordi Boixader va escriure:
> Hola,
> 
> Tinc intenció de comprar-me un portàtil, i evidentment hi vull posar una
> Debian. No em fa falta cap Supermàquina, però tampoc vull anar faltat de
> recursos. Per Navegar, trastejar pagines web, editar fotos amb GIMP, editar
> algun vídeo, documents, Scribus, fer pings a guifi.net ... (ara tinc una
> Torre Sobretaula del 2009, I7 920, 6 Gb de Ram, GTX 285 1Gb... i mai s'ha
> fet petit)
> 
> Algú s'ha comprat últimament algun portàtil i hi ha posat la Debian, se
> suposa que sense S.O de sèrie. Sabeu d'algun web on venguin portàtils així?
> 
> P.D.: perdoneu si demano algo que no sigui exclusiu de la llista, si és el
> cas, no contesteu i demano disculpes.
> 
> Salut
> jordi.boixader.com


I els de Gnuinos? Hi has fet un cop d'ull?
http://www.gnuinos.com/

-- 
Cordialment,

Orestes Mas.

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Sisco Garcia]

El 03/03/16 a les 18:38, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:

Hola,

Tinc intenció de comprar-me un portàtil, i evidentment hi vull posar 
una Debian. No em fa falta cap Supermàquina, però tampoc vull anar 
faltat de recursos. Per Navegar, trastejar pagines web, editar fotos 
amb GIMP, editar algun vídeo, documents, Scribus, fer pings a 
guifi.net <http://guifi.net> ... (ara tinc una Torre Sobretaula del 
2009, I7 920, 6 Gb de Ram, GTX 285 1Gb... i mai s'ha fet petit)


Algú s'ha comprat últimament algun portàtil i hi ha posat la Debian, 
se suposa que sense S.O de sèrie. Sabeu d'algun web on venguin 
portàtils així?


Prova https://slimbook.es/ el vénen sense SO i si vols t'hi instal·len 
debian ;)


Van estar a l'última festa d'ubuntu [1] a Olot i feien bona pinta [2]

[1] 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CatalanTeam/Activitats//WilyWerewolf#Lloc_i_programa_d.27activitats

[2] https://www.flickr.com/photos/95771549@N08/sets/72157661664497971

P.D.: perdoneu si demano algo que no sigui exclusiu de la llista, si 
és el cas, no contesteu i demano disculpes.


Salut
jordi.boixader.com <http://jordi.boixader.com>




--
Sisco Garcia gpg 00CE95B1
http://siscogarcia.wordpress.com

Ací treballem amb GNU-LINUX UBUNTU en català.
Ubuntu Registered User #17544
Linux Registered User #456988
Membre de la Free Software Foundation #7289 
<http://www.fsf.org/jf?referrer=7289>
__
P Abans d'imprimir aquest correu pensa bé si és necessari fer-ho.

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Narcis Garcia]

Tot i que els de puri.sm valen un pastón, aquesta mena de projectes són
molt interessants.
Algú pot afegir l'enllaç al directori del GiLUG?



__
I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
masked enough at lists.debian.org archives.

El 03/03/16 a les 21:02, Oscar Osta Pueyo ha escrit:
> Hola,
> Dona un cop d'ull a https://puri.sm/.
> 
> Salut,
> 
> El dia 03/03/2016 20:51, "Iker Bilbao" <iker.bil...@gmail.com
> <mailto:iker.bil...@gmail.com>> va escriure:
> 
> Jo veig tot d Msi amb Freedos.
> Són molt potents (i7, 16gb ram) i bon preu.
> 
> Iker
> 
> El 3/3/2016 8:35 p. m., "Narcis Garcia" <debianli...@actiu.net
> <mailto:debianli...@actiu.net>> escribió:
> 
> Llàstima que Cioce, majorista barceloní de portàtils clònics, va
> plegar.
> 
> Aquest majorista de Girona ven portàtils «amb FreeDOS»:
> www.nineteam.com <http://www.nineteam.com>
> 
> Els que ja munten amb Ubutu, segur que funcionen a la perfecció
> amb Debian:
> www.dell.es/ubuntu <http://www.dell.es/ubuntu>
> 
> I aquí el directori del GiLUG on, si us plau, tothom és convidat a
> aportar referències:
> http://wiki.gilug.org/index.php/Botigues
> 
> 
> __
> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses
> aren't
> masked enough at lists.debian.org <http://lists.debian.org>
> archives.
> 
> El 03/03/16 a les 18:38, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:
> > Hola,
> >
> > Tinc intenció de comprar-me un portàtil, i evidentment hi vull
> posar una
> > Debian. No em fa falta cap Supermàquina, però tampoc vull anar
> faltat de
> > recursos. Per Navegar, trastejar pagines web, editar fotos amb
> GIMP,
> > editar algun vídeo, documents, Scribus, fer pings a guifi.net
> <http://guifi.net>
> > <http://guifi.net> ... (ara tinc una Torre Sobretaula del
> 2009, I7 920,
> > 6 Gb de Ram, GTX 285 1Gb... i mai s'ha fet petit)
> >
> > Algú s'ha comprat últimament algun portàtil i hi ha posat la
> Debian, se
> > suposa que sense S.O de sèrie. Sabeu d'algun web on venguin
> portàtils així?
> >
> > P.D.: perdoneu si demano algo que no sigui exclusiu de la
> llista, si és
> > el cas, no contesteu i demano disculpes.
> >
> > Salut
> > jordi.boixader.com <http://jordi.boixader.com>
> <http://jordi.boixader.com>
> >
> >
> 

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Oscar Osta Pueyo]

Hola,
Dona un cop d'ull a https://puri.sm/.

Salut,
El dia 03/03/2016 20:51, "Iker Bilbao" <iker.bil...@gmail.com> va escriure:

> Jo veig tot d Msi amb Freedos.
> Són molt potents (i7, 16gb ram) i bon preu.
>
> Iker
> El 3/3/2016 8:35 p. m., "Narcis Garcia" <debianli...@actiu.net> escribió:
>
>> Llàstima que Cioce, majorista barceloní de portàtils clònics, va plegar.
>>
>> Aquest majorista de Girona ven portàtils «amb FreeDOS»:
>> www.nineteam.com
>>
>> Els que ja munten amb Ubutu, segur que funcionen a la perfecció amb
>> Debian:
>> www.dell.es/ubuntu
>>
>> I aquí el directori del GiLUG on, si us plau, tothom és convidat a
>> aportar referències:
>> http://wiki.gilug.org/index.php/Botigues
>>
>>
>> __
>> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
>> masked enough at lists.debian.org archives.
>>
>> El 03/03/16 a les 18:38, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:
>> > Hola,
>> >
>> > Tinc intenció de comprar-me un portàtil, i evidentment hi vull posar una
>> > Debian. No em fa falta cap Supermàquina, però tampoc vull anar faltat de
>> > recursos. Per Navegar, trastejar pagines web, editar fotos amb GIMP,
>> > editar algun vídeo, documents, Scribus, fer pings a guifi.net
>> > <http://guifi.net> ... (ara tinc una Torre Sobretaula del 2009, I7 920,
>> > 6 Gb de Ram, GTX 285 1Gb... i mai s'ha fet petit)
>> >
>> > Algú s'ha comprat últimament algun portàtil i hi ha posat la Debian, se
>> > suposa que sense S.O de sèrie. Sabeu d'algun web on venguin portàtils
>> així?
>> >
>> > P.D.: perdoneu si demano algo que no sigui exclusiu de la llista, si és
>> > el cas, no contesteu i demano disculpes.
>> >
>> > Salut
>> > jordi.boixader.com <http://jordi.boixader.com>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Iker Bilbao]

Jo veig tot d Msi amb Freedos.
Són molt potents (i7, 16gb ram) i bon preu.

Iker
El 3/3/2016 8:35 p. m., "Narcis Garcia" <debianli...@actiu.net> escribió:

> Llàstima que Cioce, majorista barceloní de portàtils clònics, va plegar.
>
> Aquest majorista de Girona ven portàtils «amb FreeDOS»:
> www.nineteam.com
>
> Els que ja munten amb Ubutu, segur que funcionen a la perfecció amb Debian:
> www.dell.es/ubuntu
>
> I aquí el directori del GiLUG on, si us plau, tothom és convidat a
> aportar referències:
> http://wiki.gilug.org/index.php/Botigues
>
>
> __
> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
> masked enough at lists.debian.org archives.
>
> El 03/03/16 a les 18:38, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:
> > Hola,
> >
> > Tinc intenció de comprar-me un portàtil, i evidentment hi vull posar una
> > Debian. No em fa falta cap Supermàquina, però tampoc vull anar faltat de
> > recursos. Per Navegar, trastejar pagines web, editar fotos amb GIMP,
> > editar algun vídeo, documents, Scribus, fer pings a guifi.net
> > <http://guifi.net> ... (ara tinc una Torre Sobretaula del 2009, I7 920,
> > 6 Gb de Ram, GTX 285 1Gb... i mai s'ha fet petit)
> >
> > Algú s'ha comprat últimament algun portàtil i hi ha posat la Debian, se
> > suposa que sense S.O de sèrie. Sabeu d'algun web on venguin portàtils
> així?
> >
> > P.D.: perdoneu si demano algo que no sigui exclusiu de la llista, si és
> > el cas, no contesteu i demano disculpes.
> >
> > Salut
> > jordi.boixader.com <http://jordi.boixader.com>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Narcis Garcia]

Llàstima que Cioce, majorista barceloní de portàtils clònics, va plegar.

Aquest majorista de Girona ven portàtils «amb FreeDOS»:
www.nineteam.com

Els que ja munten amb Ubutu, segur que funcionen a la perfecció amb Debian:
www.dell.es/ubuntu

I aquí el directori del GiLUG on, si us plau, tothom és convidat a
aportar referències:
http://wiki.gilug.org/index.php/Botigues


__
I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
masked enough at lists.debian.org archives.

El 03/03/16 a les 18:38, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:
> Hola,
> 
> Tinc intenció de comprar-me un portàtil, i evidentment hi vull posar una
> Debian. No em fa falta cap Supermàquina, però tampoc vull anar faltat de
> recursos. Per Navegar, trastejar pagines web, editar fotos amb GIMP,
> editar algun vídeo, documents, Scribus, fer pings a guifi.net
> <http://guifi.net> ... (ara tinc una Torre Sobretaula del 2009, I7 920,
> 6 Gb de Ram, GTX 285 1Gb... i mai s'ha fet petit)
> 
> Algú s'ha comprat últimament algun portàtil i hi ha posat la Debian, se
> suposa que sense S.O de sèrie. Sabeu d'algun web on venguin portàtils així?
> 
> P.D.: perdoneu si demano algo que no sigui exclusiu de la llista, si és
> el cas, no contesteu i demano disculpes.
> 
> Salut
> jordi.boixader.com <http://jordi.boixader.com>
> 
> 

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Narcis Garcia]

Hi ha portàtils que porten una etiqueta amb l'adreça MAC del Wifi.
Els primers dígits de l'adreça MAC solen correspondre al fabricant de la
inalàmbrica.

També crec que, si l'ordinador ha de ser nou, el millor és que vingui
sense sistema operatiu, i d'aquesta manera el fabricant no haurà
restringit els controladors a Windows 10 o últimes versions de
controlador privatiu. Això haurà donat més temps a l'enginyeria inversa.
Per molts distribuïdors, el FreeDOS és l'equivalent a «sense sistema
operatiu».


__
I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
masked enough at lists.debian.org archives.

El 03/03/16 a les 18:52, Jaume ha escrit:
> Jo alhora de comprar un ordinador un dels principals criteris que faig
> servir és que la gràfica sigui Intel i la wireless Atheros.
> 
> En el primer cas és facil de saber però les wifis ni la mateixa botiga
> saber quines porten.
> 
> Jo tinc força confiança amb Lenovo però solen portar intel = firmware
> privatiu.
> 
> Jo he comprat un Lenovo x250 i em trobo que la wifi no hi ha driver ni
> privatiu (és una intel).
> 
> El modul de 3G encara no hi ha driver.
> 
> És el problema dels ordinadors molt nous, fa falta esperar que els
> hackers desenvolupin drivers.
> 
> On 3 de març de 2016 18:38:51 CET, Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org>
> wrote:
> 
> Hola,
> 
> Tinc intenció de comprar-me un portàtil, i evidentment hi vull posar
> una Debian. No em fa falta cap Supermàquina, però tampoc vull anar
> faltat de recursos. Per Navegar, trastejar pagines web, editar fotos
> amb GIMP, editar algun vídeo, documents, Scribus, fer pings a
> guifi.net <http://guifi.net> ... (ara tinc una Torre Sobretaula del
> 2009, I7 920, 6 Gb de Ram, GTX 285 1Gb... i mai s'ha fet petit)
> 
> Algú s'ha comprat últimament algun portàtil i hi ha posat la Debian,
> se suposa que sense S.O de sèrie. Sabeu d'algun web on venguin
> portàtils així?
> 
> P.D.: perdoneu si demano algo que no sigui exclusiu de la llista, si
> és el cas, no contesteu i demano disculpes.
> 
> Salut
> jordi.boixader.com <http://jordi.boixader.com>
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Alex Muntada]

Joan:

> Diria que ara és fàcil trobar portàtils sense SO preinstal·lat (l'altre
> dia em van passar un enllaç, que no tinc a ma, però si ten smolt
> interès podria buscar), i em va donar la sensació que aquest fet
> s'havia normalitzat...

Potser a l'àmbit dels portàtils clònics però els grans fabricants
segueixen posant únicament Windows. Només en alguns models molt
concrets, orientats especialment a empresa, pots trobar que et
posin FreeDOS o Linux (és el cas de Dell, potser d'altres però
és l'únic que conec ara mateix que ho fa).

Salut,
Alex

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Jaume]

Hi ha alguns fabricants que hi posen FreeDOS (soft lliure)

On 3 de març de 2016 19:22:00 CET, Joan <arboc...@calbasi.net> wrote:
>Diria que ara és fàcil trobar portàtils sense SO preinstal·lat (l'altre
>dia em van passar un enllaç, que no tinc a ma, però si ten smolt
>interès podria buscar), i em va donar la sensació que aquest fet
>s'havia normalitzat...
>
>Joan Cervan
>
>El Thu, 3 Mar 2016 18:38:51 +0100
>Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org> va escriure:
>
>> Hola,
>> 
>> Tinc intenció de comprar-me un portàtil, i evidentment hi vull posar
>> una Debian. No em fa falta cap Supermàquina, però tampoc vull anar
>> faltat de recursos. Per Navegar, trastejar pagines web, editar fotos
>> amb GIMP, editar algun vídeo, documents, Scribus, fer pings a
>> guifi.net ... (ara tinc una Torre Sobretaula del 2009, I7 920, 6 Gb
>> de Ram, GTX 285 1Gb... i mai s'ha fet petit)
>> 
>> Algú s'ha comprat últimament algun portàtil i hi ha posat la Debian,
>> se suposa que sense S.O de sèrie. Sabeu d'algun web on venguin
>> portàtils així?
>> 
>> P.D.: perdoneu si demano algo que no sigui exclusiu de la llista, si
>> és el cas, no contesteu i demano disculpes.
>> 
>> Salut
>> jordi.boixader.com
>
>
>
>-- 
>Joan Cervan i Andreu
>http://personal.calbasi.net
>
>"El meu paper no és transformar el món ni l'home sinó, potser, el de
>ser útil, des del meu lloc, als pocs valors sense els quals un món no
>val la pena viure'l" A. Camus
>
>i pels que teniu fe:
>"Déu no és la Veritat, la Veritat és Déu"
>Gandhi

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: Compra de Portàtil per posar-hi una Debian

[Joan]

Diria que ara és fàcil trobar portàtils sense SO preinstal·lat (l'altre
dia em van passar un enllaç, que no tinc a ma, però si ten smolt
interès podria buscar), i em va donar la sensació que aquest fet
s'havia normalitzat...

Joan Cervan

El Thu, 3 Mar 2016 18:38:51 +0100
Jordi Boixader <id...@bergueda.org> va escriure:

> Hola,
> 
> Tinc intenció de comprar-me un portàtil, i evidentment hi vull posar
> una Debian. No em fa falta cap Supermàquina, però tampoc vull anar
> faltat de recursos. Per Navegar, trastejar pagines web, editar fotos
> amb GIMP, editar algun vídeo, documents, Scribus, fer pings a
> guifi.net ... (ara tinc una Torre Sobretaula del 2009, I7 920, 6 Gb
> de Ram, GTX 285 1Gb... i mai s'ha fet petit)
> 
> Algú s'ha comprat últimament algun portàtil i hi ha posat la Debian,
> se suposa que sense S.O de sèrie. Sabeu d'algun web on venguin
> portàtils així?
> 
> P.D.: perdoneu si demano algo que no sigui exclusiu de la llista, si
> és el cas, no contesteu i demano disculpes.
> 
> Salut
> jordi.boixader.com



-- 
Joan Cervan i Andreu
http://personal.calbasi.net

"El meu paper no és transformar el món ni l'home sinó, potser, el de
ser útil, des del meu lloc, als pocs valors sense els quals un món no
val la pena viure'l" A. Camus

i pels que teniu fe:
"Déu no és la Veritat, la Veritat és Déu"
Gandhi