Re: Sound
On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 1997 at 07:09:37PM +0100, Jens Kerle wrote: hm... i had to execute the script at the end of /usr/src/linux/Documentation/README.sound (right name and place?) to make the devices. Jens Are you sure? The script was removed in recent versions, because the distribution takes care of the devices. They should be installed with MAKEDEV script in /dev/. There should be no need for the script. Do you have native Debian? Which version? 1.3.1 with kernel 2.0.30 I used the script from end of /usr/src/linux/drivers/sound/README.linux because i used it with slackware and unifix before. Jens Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ Jens Kerle e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://venus.rz.fh-heilbronn.de/~jkerle/ IRC: nick mars in #hp48 FTP: ftp://ftp.fh-heilbronn.de/pub/system/hp48 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
cdrom problems
Hello! I've installed v1.3.1 from the Official Debian Binary cd, I've used a noname 24x cdrom drive for installation. Now I had to give back that drive, now I have a Creative/Matshita CR-581 quad-speed drive. Every time I mount a cd with the command line: itom# mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/hdd /cdrom I get a message which says: '/dev/hdd: media changed' which I didn't receive once with the other drive. Is this an error, or what? The second thing is that when I try to use dselect I get an error message, (I'm sorry, I don't remember exactly) which says that 'a bad or corrupted or sg. like that cd detected, using cruft (?), interleaved files not (yet) supported'. I didn't have any problems with the other drive with this Debian cd. Does anyone has any ideas about it? This Matshita drive is connected to the secondary ide controller for slave mode (like the other was). Pse excuse me a little offtopic: I had problems with this drive under win95, too, but changing the driver program from a usual cdatapi.sys to a cr_atapi.sys helped. Thanks in advance, ITom -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: dosemu and Wordperfect 5.1
On 25-Oct-97 Johann Spies wrote: Is there anybody who could get Wordperfect 5.1 working on Dosemu? I would like to know how they did it. Johann I don't recall any special diffculty once I'd got dosemu itself running OK. What appears to be the nature of your problem? Maybe the following tips could be useful. To get the maximum use of all the special keystrokes that WP-5.1 has, you should start dosemu in a Virtual Console (character terminal) with the command dos -C -k. This is also the only mode in which I've managed to get WP's graphics mode working in Linux. You may miss quite a few of the special keys if you run it in xdos, but it's still quite usable. If you start dosemu in an xterm (dos -C, DON'T do dos -C -k) then you again get most of the special keys. A tip: even in DOS days I had the WP-5.1 menu bar, which you jump to with Alt-= (keyboard macro). The Alt-= combination works even in xdos, and allows you access to most of the WP-5.1 functions via the menu, if you find that the usual keystrokes don't work. Best wishes, Ted. E-Mail: Ted Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 25-Oct-97 Time: 22:32:21 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *
Enough is enough. It is time for Bruce Perens to step down form the leadership position, and an interim leader take his place until a new leader can be chosen at the formal election. I state the following facts as reasons: blah, blah, blah...i don't know, i've been using Debian for about 6 months and it's really excellent. Bruce has personally emailed me on several different issues. Since I'm not terribly well-versed in Un*x (i'm learning all the time, thanks more than anything to people like whom i've found on this list, Bruce included), I really appreciate the personal attention. What do all you package maintainers think of Bruce? What about all you other users? What are (perhaps most important, perhaps not...) the opinions of the people for whom this distribution is named, Deb Ian? Just my 2 cents... matty -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *
dc wrote: Enough is enough. Why you cc to so many lists??? You thought that people only subscribed one and only one of the lists. How many lists do we have? You have not done enough yet. You have not sent to all lists. Do it and bother anyone and email flooding their accounts. And yes I did because I reply to all. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: MS Frontpage Server Extensions
Has anybody successfully install Microsoft Frontpage 98 Server Extensions on a Deabian 1.3 system with the Apache server? I've installed the 97 extensions. The 98 extensions are supposed to be easier to install but I haven't done it myself. For more information check out: http://larry.earthlight.co.nz/frontpage.html http://frontpage.netnation.com/ Adam. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Sound
On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 12:13:21AM +0100, Jens Kerle wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 1997 at 07:09:37PM +0100, Jens Kerle wrote: hm... i had to execute the script at the end of /usr/src/linux/Documentation/README.sound (right name and place?) to make the devices. Jens Are you sure? The script was removed in recent versions, because the distribution takes care of the devices. They should be installed with MAKEDEV script in /dev/. There should be no need for the script. Do you have native Debian? Which version? 1.3.1 with kernel 2.0.30 I used the script from end of /usr/src/linux/drivers/sound/README.linux because i used it with slackware and unifix before. Jens Is there a possibility for you to verify that they didn't exist before? Theoretically, they should have been already in /dev/... Marcus just wondering -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
* Formal call for the retention of Bruce Perens *
--- dc wrote: Enough is enough. I agree. I'm sick and tired of debian-user being hijacked by whining dissidents. It is time for Bruce Perens to step down form the leadership position, and an interim leader take his place until a new leader can be chosen at the formal election. whining about Bruce deleted yawn Not this again. Stop pickin' on Bruce, willya? Last time I checked, Debian was the product of a huge number of volunteers; larger, in fact, than even the Debian group. Debian is a product of all the Debian volunteers, plus all of the people who wrote the Linux kernel, plus all the people who wrote the software programs packaged by the Debian volunteers, plus the people at the Free Software Foundation who wrote the C compiler and emacs and all the GNU utilities, plus the people from The XFree86 Project, Inc., plus the X Consortium, plus Donald Knuth who wrote TeX and Leslie Lamport who wrote LaTeX, plus ad infininausem. All of these people have allowed *you* to use their work, in freedom. Go read the GPL. Read it very carefully. On second thought, go get someone literate to read it to you. Find out what free means. Hint: free does NOT mean no charge. It means freedom. Think about that for a while. Then go quit bellyaching and start your own distribution. You can even base it on Debian if you like. Bruce can't stop you. That's what free means for you. On the other hand, you aren't allowed to go spoil the party for the hard-working developers. That's what free means for them. Much (private) discussion has gone on about forming a new distribution based on how the old Debian used to be. This is my last attempt at my inclusion and 'fixing' the Debian distribution, and if it does not succeed I (and others with discontent) will turn my efforts to that. sarcasm Please do. I think it would be a really good idea if you created your own distribution. You could even give it whatever version number you like! And just so you don't feel left out, I'll complain about *your* version number for you, right away. I think it should be i, the imaginary number, to represent your own contribution to Debian. Oh, and I think you should base it on Debian 1.0, too. That one's not changing too fast for you, is it? Maybe you should try 0.96r3 then. /sarcasm Look, if you want to express your discontent with a piece of free software, the correct way to do it is in code, not in calling for others to stop. Personally, I'd like to thank Bruce and the rest of the Debian team for an excellent product. We just installed the seventh Debian machine in the department today, right here in the middle of Mac-mania. Stephen Ryan Debian GNU/Linux 1.3 Mathematics graduate student, Dartmouth College who is installing a mail filter next week so he doesn't have to hear any more of this nonsense -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: IP Masquerade and X-Windows
I know that the question I am asking most probably have It is impossible as an answer. But still I won't be impossible... just might not be coded yet :-) What I can not do (and what the question is about) is run an X-Windows application off remote host on my second computer. I mean the following. If I telnet from my second computer to, say, my university account and run xclock off my university it opens window on my first computer, not second. Is it possible to redirect it to the second one? This is because the box running IP Masq and doen't have a proxy for X forwarding built in. I believe (from memory) that one of the things the FAQ mentions is that there in no X proxy for IP Masq written yet. The only other option I can think of is to connect to the box you want to run the X app from with ssh and run the app through that. This will work (I believe) because ssh tunnels the X session through it. If you haven't played with SSH yet you should... get the package from one of the non-us mirrors and install it it's *much* better then telnet where you are vulnrable to people sniffing your password. I think I should probably reconfigure X-Windows on my first machine to be able to do it. I don't think this is an X configuration issue. It is an IP Masq issue. Adam. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Sound
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 12:13:21AM +0100, Jens Kerle wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 1997 at 07:09:37PM +0100, Jens Kerle wrote: hm... i had to execute the script at the end of /usr/src/linux/Documentation/README.sound (right name and place?) to make the devices. Jens Are you sure? The script was removed in recent versions, because the distribution takes care of the devices. They should be installed with MAKEDEV script in /dev/. There should be no need for the script. Do you have native Debian? Which version? 1.3.1 with kernel 2.0.30 I used the script from end of /usr/src/linux/drivers/sound/README.linux because i used it with slackware and unifix before. Jens Is there a possibility for you to verify that they didn't exist before? Theoretically, they should have been already in /dev/... ok, you're right. my router with no sound card does have these devices. Sleep well, Jens Marcus just wondering -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ Jens Kerle e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://venus.rz.fh-heilbronn.de/~jkerle/ IRC: nick mars in #hp48 FTP: ftp://ftp.fh-heilbronn.de/pub/system/hp48 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Bruce Perens
Well, it seems to me the returns are in. *Everyone* who responded to dc's comments supports Bruce, and wishes dc would make good on his promise and just leave. I propose that from here on out we ignore dc, don't resond to anything he posts, and perhaps he *will* live up to his promise, and apply his talents elsewhere. Here's my personal toast to an excellent distribution which continues to get better. *clink* :) Thanks, matty -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
IRCD daemon and Shadow passwords
I've pulled my password from /etc/shadow and put in the O: field in /etc/ircd/ircd.conf. I still get invallid password when I do /oper cowboy x I tried SUID/root, but ps -aux still shows ircd running as irc?!? What am I missing? Richard Nelson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
gimp can't load any file.
I ftp'd the debian gimp package from the maintainer's site. I had to install a detailed list of upgrades to be sure it would work. I THINK I installed them all right(!?!). But, while The GIMP runs, it won't load any file. I didn't install any new gimp-data package. I liked the non-free gimp far more than the less recent one in hamm; I am upgrading in hopes of the return of functionality lost due to the changes in widget sets. By the way, I just compiled emacs 20.2 right out of the box, and it runs fine. Using the old libc5 development libraries. Alan Davis -- I consider that the golden rule requires Alan E. Davis that if I like a program I must share itMarianas High School with other people who like it AAA196, Box 10001 Saipan, MP 96950 ---Richard StallmanNorthern Mariana Islands GMT+10 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
loadlin -- A20 gating failed (tecra/bo)
Hi! I just installed Debian 1.3 on my Toshiba Tecra 730CDT (this is a fresh installation, separate from my 1.2 installation) and I can't seem to get it to boot using loadlin. I used the 1997-06-20/tecra rescue and modules disks, and both the rescue disk and the resulting boot disk work fine, but when I try to boot from loadlin I get an A20 gating failed message and the computer locks up. The vmlinuz that loadlin is using is the same as both /boot/vmlinuz-2.0.29 and the boot floppy's linux. I know that there is a problem with Tecras and bzimges, but that's what the tecra disks are for. What is going on here? Loadlin works fine with rex's vmlinuz-2.0.27 tecra kernel. (I am using loadlin-1.6.) Kirk Hilliard -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
bo and hamm distributions
When a new version of a program is released, is a copy compiled to bo and another for hamm? .. or is bo left without any updates? The reason I ask is I thinking of re-installing the bo distribution because I can barely compile anything using hamm. -- probably libc6 releated, but it still doesn't work. -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
K6 bug
I have seen a number of posts and questions on the AMD K6 bug. To correct what I believe are some misconceptions, as well as to inform, I looked for an answer: A quick search on altavista revealed this page: http://www.chorus.com/~poulot/k6bug_tests.html and from my own bookmarks: http://www.chorus.com/~poulot/k6bug.html (I just noticed they are from the same place. he he) -- Jon Nelson U of MN Housing and Res. Life Computing Supervisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Kernel 31 warnings
Just compilied 31, and had the following 2 warnings. I'm sure its nothing but I thought I would post them here anyway for reference... Matthew gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.31/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -m486 -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -DCPU=586 -c -o exec.o exec.c exec.c: In function `setup_arg_pages': exec.c:323: warning: assignment makes integer from pointer without a cast gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.31/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -m486 -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -DCPU=586 -c -o bad_inode.o bad_inode.c bad_inode.c:14: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: K6 bug
If you are talking about the 32MB/Linux bug in AMD K6, it have been fixed for more than 2 months. Just make sure that your is made of any after week 30 this year. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen a number of posts and questions on the AMD K6 bug. To correct what I believe are some misconceptions, as well as to inform, I looked for an answer: A quick search on altavista revealed this page: http://www.chorus.com/~poulot/k6bug_tests.html and from my own bookmarks: http://www.chorus.com/~poulot/k6bug.html (I just noticed they are from the same place. he he) -- Jon Nelson U of MN Housing and Res. Life Computing Supervisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: gimp can't load any file.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I ftp'd the debian gimp package from the maintainer's site. I had to install a detailed list of upgrades to be sure it would work. I THINK I installed them all right(!?!). But, while The GIMP runs, it won't load any file. Have you tried `rm -r ~/.gimp' to clear out the old settings? This has helped with these types of problems in the past. -- Ben Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senders of unsolicited commercial e-mail will receive free 32MB core files! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PCMCIA/kernel problems
dpk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I recompiled a 2.0.29 kernel to replace the Debian 'stock' kernel because it is so large and it hangs for a long time loading the 'md driver' Actually, it's probably what gets loaded *after* the md driver which is taking the time. It might not even print anything so you can't tell what it is. -- Carey Evans * http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ gc Neniu anticipas la hispanan Inkvizicion. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is anyone using qmail?
Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: is anyone using qmail? is it any good? Yes and yes. and how easy would it be to upgrade smail to qmail? That depends on a few factors. If you treat it as installing from scratch, it shouldn't be any trouble, but qmail does treat a few things differently from sendmail, smail and exim. If you have a standard smail setup and not too many users, it should be easy. -- Carey Evans * http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ gc Neniu anticipas la hispanan Inkvizicion. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: cdrom problems
ITom - WebIroda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] I get a message which says: '/dev/hdd: media changed' which I didn't receive once with the other drive. Is this an error, or what? I thought this was normal. It means the kernel's noticed you've got a different CD-ROM in than last time it looked. The second thing is that when I try to use dselect I get an error message, (I'm sorry, I don't remember exactly) which says that 'a bad or corrupted or sg. like that cd detected, using cruft (?), interleaved files not (yet) supported'. I didn't have any problems with the other drive with this Debian cd. The exact error message would help. Also, what do you get in `dmesg | more' starting from the ide: line? If it didn't recognise it properly (rare now) maybe adding hdd=cdrom will help. -- Carey Evans * http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ gc Neniu anticipas la hispanan Inkvizicion. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: IP Masquerade and X-Windows
Lazar Fleysher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I can not do (and what the question is about) is run an X-Windows application off remote host on my second computer. I mean the following. If I telnet from my second computer to, say, my university account and run xclock off my university it opens window on my first computer, not second. Is it possible to redirect it to the second one? You should probably run `redir' on the first host to send port 6001 on it to port 6000 on the second. e.g. in /etc/inetd.conf: 6001 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/redir redir --inetd host2 6000 (untested) You'll then need to make DISPLAY on your university account host1:1, which will be redirected to host2:0. You'll also need to get the appropriate xauth information to your university account or use xhost, which is quite insecure. This doesn't need IP forwarding or masquerading enabled at all. -- Carey Evans * http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ gc Neniu anticipas la hispanan Inkvizicion. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: bo and hamm distributions
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, Paul Miller wrote: When a new version of a program is released, is a copy compiled to bo and another for hamm? .. or is bo left without any updates? The reason I ask is I thinking of re-installing the bo distribution because I can barely compile anything using hamm. -- probably libc6 releated, but it still doesn't work. For the most part, everything is compiled only for hamm. Many (most?) developers don't have access to machines for compiling libc5-based stuff easily anymore, and bo is supposed to be frozen except for security and severe bugfix releases. -- Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gate.net/~storm/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *
Dave, I can appreciate the fact that you don't like Bruce's handling of the project. I do like the job that Bruce is doing, however. I'll stick with Bruce until the normal time for succession comes, and probably even after that. But please, by all means continue with your plan to release an alternate distribution. It should be an interesting product. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, dc wrote: Enough is enough. yes. enough is enough. go away and quit your whining. i, for one, am getting really sick and tired of seeing your personal attacks against bruce being splashed all over the debian lists. what are you trying to do? destroy debian with your constant whinging and flaming over stupid paranoid crap? craig -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: modem problems
On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote: Andrew J Tarr wrote: Struggling with my modem: [SNIP] Is your modem set for fixed serial speed (ATB1 on a sportster 28.8)? No, it wasn't. Yes, it fixed it, thanks a lot. I don't suppose anyone wants to explain why it needs fixed serial speed? Andrew Tarr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Some say love makes the world go around, others say it's money. Actually, it's angular momentum -Dave Frame -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, George Bonser wrote: On 25-Oct-97 dc wrote: Enough is enough. I disagree. I too disagree. I think there are probably more people who disagree than agree. On the otherhand perhaps a distribution like Debian needs to have a registered list of users who wants to vote on policy matters. There are enough phyco's out there to make sure that groups such Debian do not succeed. The call in itself is interesting because it brings to attention the potential for disruption that is inherent in the net. Now turning to another issue. I think what Bruce did concerning Debian CDs is understandable and rather difficult given the interest of commercial companies. Perhaps after a release number has been made further fixes should go into the release-number-updates dir as with bo. // Daniel J. Mashao -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ee.uct.ac.za/~daniel // -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, dc wrote: If Bruce really cares about the free and open future of the Debian Project, he will cede his position immediately. Much (private) discussion has gone on about forming a new distribution based on how the old Debian used to be. This is my last attempt at my inclusion and 'fixing' the Debian distribution, and if it does not succeed I (and others with discontent) will turn my efforts to that. Go for it! And all your alternate personalities can go with you as well. This should make for a really cozey team ;-) If DC feels he wants to form a new distribution, then I too would encourage him to go for it. I think DC thinks it it easy to run a large group like Debian. His experience will be worthwhile. My feeling is that most of us using the Debian distribution are thankful for what Bruce and many others have done. To Bruce and other developers I have this to say to you guys - Take heart.. Out of 30,000 (just a pure speculative guess) and maybe more people who use Debian distribution how many of them have other motives than a smooth running of Debian?. On the otherhand I am glad we have various Linux distributions with different organizational structures. If one is unsatisfied with one they can start their own distributions or join other guys. Nobody is going to get everything they want. To DC Once you get your own distribution (take all those guys in debian-dissent too :) ), let me know how many packages you have and how many people care enough to use your distributions. And also let me know when some nuts wants to do something that is not in the interest of your distribution - how you will respond - Good luck // Daniel J. Mashao -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ee.uct.ac.za/~daniel // -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *
On 26-Oct-97 Daniel J. Mashao wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, George Bonser wrote: On 25-Oct-97 dc wrote: Enough is enough. I disagree. I too disagree. I think there are probably more people who disagree than agree. Yeah, by ~20 to 1 so far. I'd felt disinclined to contribute to this inane thread, but seeing a post that does less than dismiss this idiocy out of hand, prompts me to point out that the challenger (who hides behind a psuedonym BTW) doesn't point to his list of contributions to the project, but instead simply bitchs about stuff in which he demonstrates minimal understanding and declines to propose any solution other than removal of one of the projects demonstrably productive resources. On the otherhand perhaps a distribution like Debian needs to have a registered list of users who wants to vote on policy matters. There are enough phyco's out there to make sure that groups such Debian do not succeed. What's a phyco? And why should users get to vote on policy? I think contributors should be the only parties with a right to any input. The call in itself is interesting because it brings to attention the potential for disruption that is inherent in the net. Especially for disruption by the noisy and non-contributing few! Now turning to another issue. I think what Bruce did concerning Debian CDs is understandable and rather difficult given the interest of commercial companies. Perhaps after a release number has been made further fixes should go into the release-number-updates dir as with bo. Seems reasonable to me. // Daniel J. Mashao -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ee.uct.ac.za/~daniel // -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . - Ralph Winslow [EMAIL PROTECTED] The IQ of the group is that of the member whose IQ is lowest divided by the number of members. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
netscape and linking
Hi When I start Netscape (v. 4.03) as root - no problems, when I do the same as an ordinary user I get a segmentation fault. I compared the output from 'strace /usr/local/netscape/netscape' the root started version links to /usr/lib/libc5-compat/* where as the user started version links to more /usr/X11R6/lib/* . Now how do I change the order where a programme looks for libraries? Karsten -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: bo and hamm distributions
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, Scott Ellis wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, Paul Miller wrote: When a new version of a program is released, is a copy compiled to bo and another for hamm? .. or is bo left without any updates? The reason I ask is I thinking of re-installing the bo distribution because I can barely compile anything using hamm. -- probably libc6 releated, but it still doesn't work. For the most part, everything is compiled only for hamm. Many (most?) developers don't have access to machines for compiling libc5-based stuff easily anymore, and bo is supposed to be frozen except for security and severe bugfix releases. Well, just about the only thing I can compile is the kernel.. I want to at least be able to compile Taper 6.8.2 and all of the KDE packages. I used to be able to compile Taper, but I can't anymore -- I need to compile it because the Debian distribution never works with the input fields (ncurses problem I think) .. and KDE just rules.. I can only compile about 1/2 of the basic packages (libs, support, base, and games work; net media, and all of the apps don't). -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: pppd
On Sat, Oct 25, 1997 at 06:33:51PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Oct, Rob MacWilliams wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 1997 at 04:54:55PM -0500, Pete Harlan wrote: Now my link seems to be slow - is there a possibility to watch the throughput (like x.xx kb/s or sim.)? pppstats isn't perfect, but it does what you ask. thank you, but where can I get it? It's in the ppp source package. I think you will have to compile it yourself, but that's the fun part :-) You could as welll use the one in /usr/sbin (at least for ppp 2.2.0f-26 it is there). Thank you, I downgraded to 2.2 anyway, and someone sent me the binary, too. I don't think it is included in ppp 2.3, though... Or you can use ncftp to get a big binary file from your isp's ftp-site. It will show you the kB/sec at the end. This is how I done it at last... Thank you, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
login/xdm local groups
On a character-based login, there is an option to add users to specific groups if they are local (audio, cdrom, floppy, etc).. I want to add this function to xdm.. is there a command which will put users into a group while he/she is logged on (not writing to /etc/group)? -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
autolog
Has anyone used 'autolog' (logs out idle users)? It seems to only warn someone that the're going to logged out, but never actually does it! When I ran it manually (autolog -d) I get segmentation fault (core dump) upon the sleep 30 command... what can I do? -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
nfs oddities
My bo box exports files in the expected way, but my hamm box does not. Last week it would not export anything unless the client was listed using its IP number. Now it accepts a hostname but has a problem with wildcards. It will not export to a host by using a wildcard unless there is a valid explicit entry for that host without a wildcard. So when exporting /debian to gum.scotch.etc this works:- # /etc/exports /usrgum.scotch.wa.edu.au /debian *.scotch.wa.edu.au but this does not:- # /etc/exports /debian *.scotch.wa.edu.au When it fails the error message is:- mount: elm:/debian failed, reason given by server: Permission denied and the log shows: Oct 26 10:05:04 elm mountd[193]: Unauthorized access by NFS client 203.59.46.13. Oct 26 10:05:04 elm mountd[193]: Blocked attempt of 203.59.46.13 to mount /debian Installed packages:- netbase 3.00-1 netstd 3.00-1 mount 2.6g-2 Lindsay =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lindsay Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perth, Western Australia voice +61 8 9316 248632.0125S 115.8445Evk6lj =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *
Civ Kevin F. Havener wrote: Dave, I can appreciate the fact that you don't like Bruce's handling of the project. I do like the job that Bruce is doing, however. I'll stick with Bruce until the normal time for succession comes, and probably even after that. But please, by all means continue with your plan to release an alternate distribution. It should be an interesting product. I absolutely feel the urge to shout my me too. I agree with every word Kevin wrote (and even with those between the lines). Sorry to everybody for the BAD crosspost: I was obliged. Fabrizio -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] | Pluto Leader - Debian Developer Happy Debian 1.3.1 User - vi-holic | 6F7267F5 fingerprint 57 16 C4 ED C9 86 40 7B 1A 69 A1 66 EC FB D2 5E Just because Red Hat do it doesn't mean it's a good idea. [Ian J.] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFFTOPIC] cpu idle time
joost witteveen wrote: Being a Linux enthousiast, I also like to think that AIX has that additional field, because AIX actually does wait for IO, i.e., while waiting for IO it doesn't do run any other jobs in the background. It's the exact opposite: when a process is waiting for IO (for example in a select() ) that process is put on bottom of the scheduler table and isn't run until something change (IO or signal). Thus wait-for-IO is idle time instead than running the process, and this idle time should be justified: thus the waiting for IO field. There is also another fact about a process running in real-mode (AIX has a double priority queue for scheduling processes: one is normal unix mode and the other is real-mode. You can nice a process to run in real-time, and the other processes will be scheduled during wait-for-IO: no idle) Fabrizio -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] | Pluto Leader - Debian Developer Happy Debian 1.3.1 User - vi-holic | 6F7267F5 fingerprint 57 16 C4 ED C9 86 40 7B 1A 69 A1 66 EC FB D2 5E Just because Red Hat do it doesn't mean it's a good idea. [Ian J.] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
debian website broken
Hi, does anybody know when the website will be up again ? Thanks Markus Diesmann -- Markus Diesmann (Dipl. Phys.) Institut fuer Biologie III Albert-Ludwigs-University Schaenzlestrasse 1,Tel: +49-761-203-2786 D-79104 Freiburg i.Br. Fax: +49-761-203-2745 Germanye-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Strange disk problems - file dates out of wack
A server in my department has suddenly created (or altered) some files and I cannot figure out how to remove them. Below is the a part of the original note sent to me and I have tried various attempts to remove the files as weel with no avail. I even went to the point of creating a user with uid 28757 but that did not help either. One thing that isn't mentioned below is that when the I tried to remove the files the kernel stated operation not permitted rather than the usual permissions stuff. Any ideas how I can get rid of these files? -- Colin Telmer, Institute of Intergovernmental Relations School of Policy Studies Building, Room 309, Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, Canada, K7L-3N6 (613)545-6000x4219 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://terrapin.econ.queensu.ca -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:29:40 -0400 (EDT) From: James G. MacKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Colin R. Telmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: James G. Mackinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: frisch On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Colin R. Telmer wrote: Unmounted /home without any problems and ran e2fsck with the check for bad blocks and force options. However, the disk seems to be fine. Strange. Here are the key parts of the original note: There are several directories that are claimed (by du) to be absurdly big: 501597058 ./reevesj/.netscape/cache/13 634965987 . 1017117464 ./reevesj/.netscape/cache 1017117572 ./reevesj/.netscape 1017168521 ./reevesj Of course, those numbers are not correct! Looking more closely at /reevesj/.netscape/cache, one finds: br--r-srwx 1 2878729728 73, 60 May 21 2025 07 Notice the date and the permissions! Whatever this is, I cannot remove it, even using rm -f, as root! I also cannot change the permissions. Then, within the directory /reevesj/.netscape/cache/13, one finds: c---rwxr-t 1 2494228192 60, 62 Jan 25 2026 cache340259B30115B9F pr-s-wxr-- 1 3155811396 0 Jan 13 1983 cache340259B30125B9F.gif p-ws-wx-wx 1 6019 23682 0 Jan 31 1940 cache343150330010C49.gif Notice the dates! Again, it seems to be impossible to remove these or change the permissions. Cheers, James. James G. MacKinnon Department of Economics phone: 613 545-2293 Queen's University Fax: 613 545-6668 Kingston, Ontario, Canada Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] K7L 3N6 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
glimpse engine on web site
Am I doing something wrong, or has the glimpse engine that one can use to search the mailing-list archives never worked? I always get the following error message: Error: can't open glimpse index-file lists/.glimpse_index (use -H to give an index-directory or run 'glimpseindex' to make an index) Exit code 1 Debugging information: I got passed query plan errors 0 partial on maxfiles 10 maxlines 10 I called glimpse/glimpse -H lists -U -y -n -i -W -L 1000:10:10 -F .*-.* -e plan glimpse returned to stdout and to stderr can't open glimpse index-file lists/.glimpse_index (use -H to give an index-directory or run 'glimpseindex' to make an index) -- Colin Telmer, Institute of Intergovernmental Relations School of Policy Studies Building, Room 309, Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, Canada, K7L-3N6 (613)545-6000x4219 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://terrapin.econ.queensu.ca -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian website broken
Markus Diesmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: does anybody know when the website will be up again ? Right now, I have no trouble with either the American or German mirrors. Is it possibly a local problem? -- Ben Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senders of unsolicited commercial e-mail will receive free 32MB core files! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Pine and fvwm under hamm
Matt Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] with fvwm2 (i assume this is where the issue lies) when i try to drag a window across desktops, there is some very strange activity. the window i'm dragging flickers around a lot, and the pager doesn't show that it's moving until i let go. this isn't a problem really, just something i noticed. I'm concerned that your windows flicker a lot. Which version of fvwm2 are you using? 2.0.46-BETA-1? Does this behaviour happen for all windows you drag, or just some (in which case, which ones?) Are your windows moving with OpaqueMove turned on? The fact that the pager doesn't show the progress of the window as you drag it is a feature of fvwm2. Since there is no longer a built-in pager, the only one you can have is the module version. Unfortunately, the FvwmPager module isn't told about window moves until they've been completed, so there's no way of it updating in real time. Also, while dragging a window, fvwm2 takes out a grab on the X server, locking other applications out: this would include the FvwmPager module, so even if it did have the information, it wouldn't be able to make any use of it. Austin (fvwm2 maintainer) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
idled and xterm
Has anyone been able to setup idled so it'll kill a telnet user, but won't kill the same user running xterm under X? (telnet and xterm both use /dev/ttyp*) I had an idea to exempt everyone in the 'console' group from idled.. -- the login program will add users to specific groups if they login locally. However, I haven't been able to setup XDM to add users to specific groups upon login. Does anyone know how to do this? -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: cdrom problems
I thought this was normal. It means the kernel's noticed you've got a different CD-ROM in than last time it looked. OK Thanks. interleaved files not (yet) supported'. I didn't have any problems with the other drive with this Debian cd. The exact error message would help. Also, what do you get in `dmesg | more' starting from the ide: line? Here's the message: ISO9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A Interleaved files not (yet) supported. Warning: defective cdrom (volume sequence number). Enabling cruft mount option. If it didn't recognise it properly (rare now) maybe adding hdd=cdrom will help. I read this in the cdrom HOWTO. Where should I add it? Thanks again, ITom -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: Strange disk problems - file dates out of wack
On 26-Oct-97 Colin R. Telmer wrote: A server in my department has suddenly created (or altered) some files and I cannot figure out how to remove them. Below is the a part of the original note sent to me and I have tried various attempts to remove the files as weel with no avail. I even went to the point of creating a user with uid 28757 but that did not help either. One thing that isn't mentioned below is that when the I tried to remove the files the kernel stated operation not permitted rather than the usual permissions stuff. Any ideas how I can get rid of these files? I think it's almost certain that the data on your hard disk has got corrupted (see below). A possible cause is RAM corruption at a time when data was being written back to disk during an update. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:29:40 -0400 (EDT) From: James G. MacKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Colin R. Telmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: James G. Mackinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: frisch On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Colin R. Telmer wrote: Unmounted /home without any problems and ran e2fsck with the check for bad blocks and force options. However, the disk seems to be fine. Strange. Here are the key parts of the original note: There are several directories that are claimed (by du) to be absurdly big: 501597058 ./reevesj/.netscape/cache/13 634965987 . 1017117464 ./reevesj/.netscape/cache 1017117572 ./reevesj/.netscape 1017168521 ./reevesj Of course, those numbers are not correct! Looking more closely at /reevesj/.netscape/cache, one finds: br--r-srwx 1 2878729728 73, 60 May 21 2025 07 Notice the date and the permissions! Whatever this is, I cannot remove it, even using rm -f, as root! I also cannot change the permissions. Then, within the directory /reevesj/.netscape/cache/13, one finds: c---rwxr-t 1 2494228192 60, 62 Jan 25 2026 cache340259B30115B9F pr-s-wxr-- 1 3155811396 0 Jan 13 1983 cache340259B30125B9F.gif p-ws-wx-wx 1 6019 23682 0 Jan 31 1940 cache343150330010C49.gif Notice the dates! Again, it seems to be impossible to remove these or change the permissions. Note also that /reevesj/.netscape/cache (which should be an ordinary directory, first char in directory listing should be d, not b) now appear as a block device (b) with major number 73 and minor 60, which are not maj/min numbers known to me. Likewise, cache340259B30115B9F appears not a file but as a character device with major,minor = 60,62 which again is an unknown type; the two .gifs appear as named pipes (p). Given that the very nature of the file types has changed, taken with the zany dates and sizes etc, it is almost certain that parts of the hard disk have been written with false data. At the same time, other less obvious corruptions may have occurred which may make files inaccessible or only partially accessible, or point to spurious data. This is the sort of thing that fsck should notice; James MacK says that fsck /was/ run, apparently normally, which is puzzling; but apparently only options -c -f were used which may not reveal serious trouble. Try (non-destructively) e2fsck -fnV on the device with these files and stand back ... (at any rate pipe it through less). I predict several thousand lines of possibly alarming information. Depending on what you see, you may judge that it's worth taking the chance to give fsck a free reign to try to make the filesystem clean (though it may zap some stuff in so doing); or else raw-backup (dd to another device) the bytes on the device and then either do fsck, or reformat the filesystem, or replace the hard drive. In any case it looks pretty dire from here. Sorry. Best wishes, Ted. E-Mail: Ted Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 26-Oct-97 Time: 17:00:08 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Strange disk problems - file dates out of wack
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 09:42:59 EST Colin R. Telmer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Unmounted /home without any problems and ran e2fsck with the check for bad blocks and force options. However, the disk seems to be fine. Strange. Here are the key parts of the original note: There are several directories that are claimed (by du) to be absurdly big: 501597058 ./reevesj/.netscape/cache/13 634965987 . 1017117464 ./reevesj/.netscape/cache 1017117572 ./reevesj/.netscape 1017168521 ./reevesj Of course, those numbers are not correct! Looking more closely at /reevesj/.netscape/cache, one finds: br--r-srwx 1 2878729728 73, 60 May 21 2025 07 Notice the date and the permissions! Whatever this is, I cannot remove it, even using rm -f, as root! I also cannot change the permissions. What does lsattr say ? Maybe it's an immutable file (chattr it). Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Strange disk problems - file dates out of wack
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, Philippe Troin wrote: Looking more closely at /reevesj/.netscape/cache, one finds: br--r-srwx 1 2878729728 73, 60 May 21 2025 07 Notice the date and the permissions! Whatever this is, I cannot remove it, even using rm -f, as root! I also cannot change the permissions. What does lsattr say ? Maybe it's an immutable file (chattr it). frisch:/home/reevesj/.netscape/cache# lsattr 07 lsattr 1.10, 24-Apr-97 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 lsattr: No such device While reading flags on 07 frisch:/home/reevesj/.netscape/cache# lsattr 13 lsattr 1.10, 24-Apr-97 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 lsattr: Invalid argument While reading flags on 13/cache340259B30125B9F.gif lsattr: Invalid argument While reading flags on 13/cache343150330010C49.gif lsattr: No such device While reading flags on 13/cache340259B30115B9F I also tried chattr -i 07 but got the same error message. Any other ideas? Thanks for the suggestion. Cheers, Colin. -- Colin Telmer, Institute of Intergovernmental Relations School of Policy Studies Building, Room 309, Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, Canada, K7L-3N6 (613)545-6000x4219 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://terrapin.econ.queensu.ca -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: Strange disk problems - file dates out of wack
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, Ted Harding wrote: Try (non-destructively) e2fsck -fnV on the device with these files and stand back ... (at any rate pipe it through less). I predict several thousand lines of possibly alarming information. Depending on what you see, you may judge that it's worth taking the chance to give fsck a free reign to try to make the filesystem clean (though it may zap some stuff in so doing); or else raw-backup (dd to another device) the bytes on the device and then either do fsck, or reformat the filesystem, or replace the hard drive. I have done a e2fsck -fnv but it also did not reveal any problems (output below). However, it did reveal the existence of 27 block device files that I assume have no reason to be under /home. I'm at a loss - any other suggestions? Thanks, Colin. frisch:/# e2fsck -fnv /dev/hda6 e2fsck 1.10, 24-Apr-97 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes Pass 2: Checking directory structure Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity Pass 4: Checking reference counts Pass 5: Checking group summary information 25948 inodes used (4%) 902 non-contiguous inodes (3.5%) # of inodes with ind/dind/tind blocks: 2230/249/41 1169173 blocks used (54%) 0 bad blocks 24468 regular files 1128 directories 19 character device files 27 block device files 3 fifos 20 links 292 symbolic links (292 fast symbolic links) 2 sockets 25959 files -- Colin Telmer, Institute of Intergovernmental Relations School of Policy Studies Building, Room 309, Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, Canada, K7L-3N6 (613)545-6000x4219 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://terrapin.econ.queensu.ca -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: netscape and linking
Karsten Bolding wrote: Hi When I start Netscape (v. 4.03) as root - no problems, when I do the same as an ordinary user I get a segmentation fault. I compared the output from 's trace /usr/local/netscape/netscape' the root started version links to /usr/ lib/libc5-compat/* where as the user started version links to more /usr/X11 R6/lib/* . Now how do I change the order where a programme looks for libraries? Make a wrapper script (or edit the existing one) and put LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/libc5-compat export LD_LIBRARY_PATH exec /path/to/netscape $@ HTH -- Dimitri emaziuk at curtin dot edu dot au Objects in the mirror appear further then they are (etched on a rear view mirror of a Mitsubishi Mirage) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: bo and hamm distributions
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, Paul Miller wrote: For the most part, everything is compiled only for hamm. Many (most?) developers don't have access to machines for compiling libc5-based stuff easily anymore, and bo is supposed to be frozen except for security and severe bugfix releases. Well, just about the only thing I can compile is the kernel.. I want to at least be able to compile Taper 6.8.2 and all of the KDE packages. I used to be able to compile Taper, but I can't anymore -- I need to compile it because the Debian distribution never works with the input fields (ncurses problem I think) .. and KDE just rules.. I can only compile about 1/2 of the basic packages (libs, support, base, and games work; net media, and all of the apps don't). What development packages do you have installed? You need to upgrade most of the development packages to compile new stuff, I expect you didn't install the new ncurses3.4-dev, etc. -- Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gate.net/~storm/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Strange disk problems - file dates out of wack
Philippe Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Unmounted /home without any problems and ran e2fsck with the check for bad blocks and force options. However, the disk seems to be fine. Strange. You might want to try the debugfs program. Perhaps it can unlink the files. -- Ben Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senders of unsolicited commercial e-mail will receive free 32MB core files! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: alien problem (bo)
On Sat, Oct 25, 1997 at 11:35:21AM +0200, Wojtek Zabolotny spewed forth: Are you running alien from the RAW TEXT CONSOLE? (I mean: not an xterm nor Midnight Commander prompt) I got the same error running dpkg-gencontrol from debian build, when I was recompiling debian sorce packages. The reason was that I was running build from xterm or Midnight Commander. May be there is the same problem? I hope that this may help Hm...Oddly enough, that worked. PeeWee -- Learn to knit for all I care, but find something rhythmical to do before bed -Amanda Robinson -- personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.scc.mi.org/peewee/ work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for pgp2.6.2 public key -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Bruce Perens
Matt Thompson wrote: Well, it seems to me the returns are in. *Everyone* who responded to dc's comments supports Bruce, and wishes dc would make good on his promise and just leave. I propose that from here on out we ignore dc, don't resond to anything he posts, and perhaps he *will* live up to his promise, and apply his talents elsewhere. Here's my personal toast to an excellent distribution which continues to get better. *clink* :) Thanks, matty -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . It seems that the overall opion of this list is that Bruce is doing a good job. He is not always in an enviable position. I applaud his dedication and perseverence to the Debian project. I am also thankful for all of the developers` work. This next point is to Dave. You have once again ended up in my killfile. If you want to be master of your own distribution then go for it. Otherwise you can shut the hell up. We have listed to your endless complaining on a few occasions and judging by the overwhelming support for your ideas :) it would appear that your distribution will do well :). Please keep your crusade against Bruce a private matter and not bother the rest of us. -- Bruce Jackson Linux: because reboots are for hardware upgrades! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *
I strongly disagreed with Bruce's decision regarding the version/revision numbers. This is my PERSONAL OPINION; clearly many others, including Bruce, agree with his decision. This difference of opinion in no way justifies removing Bruce as president. (I don't believe project leader is an official office.) Bruce has made many wise decisions, and has contributed an enormous amount of his resources and time to Debian. When dc first began his profane and obscene (and misspelled) personal attacks, Bruce displayed far more patience and restraint than could reasonably be expected of anyone. Many responders have complained about the cross posting of dc's complaints. Why, then, do they post their responses to multiple debian lists? Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: Strange disk problems - file dates out of wack
On 26-Oct-97 Colin R. Telmer wrote: I have done a e2fsck -fnv but it also did not reveal any problems (output below). However, it did reveal the existence of 27 block device files that I assume have no reason to be under /home. I'm at a loss - any other suggestions? Thanks, Colin. frisch:/# e2fsck -fnv /dev/hda6 e2fsck 1.10, 24-Apr-97 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 24468 regular files 1128 directories 19 character device files 27 block device files 3 fifos 20 links 292 symbolic links (292 fast symbolic links) 2 sockets 25959 files This ties in with what you first posted -- only more so. You then showed 1 block device (filetype letter b): fsck has found 27. You showed 2 character device (filetype letter c): fsck has found 19. It would be most bizarre if any of these things were legitimately under /home, and they are almost certainly all spurious. You also showed 2 fifos (named pipes, filetype letter p): fsck has found 3. fsck has also found 2 sockets. Fifos and sockets are quite possible in /home, depending on what users are doing, but both of the fifos you showed had the names of .gif files (though they showed in the listing with size 0, as fifos should). So at least these two are spurious; probably the sockets are too. This also ties in with the results you got with Philippe Troin's suggestion of lsattr: frisch:/home/reevesj/.netscape/cache# lsattr 07 lsattr 1.10, 24-Apr-97 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 lsattr: No such device While reading flags on 07 This, according to the directory listing purports to be a block device with major,minor = 73,60 and such a combination corresponds to no device type that I know of. frisch:/home/reevesj/.netscape/cache# lsattr 13 lsattr 1.10, 24-Apr-97 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 lsattr: Invalid argument While reading flags on 13/cache340259B30125B9F.gif lsattr: Invalid argument While reading flags on 13/cache343150330010C49.gif lsattr: No such device While reading flags on 13/cache340259B30115B9F The first two files purported to be fifos (pipes) while their names suggest they should be .gif files, and lsattr has found invalid flags. The third file purported to be a character device with maj,min = 60,62 (again unkown type), and lsattr again finds No such device. My impression is that so much corrupt info has been written to disk that it is probably fubar (in the orignal military sense of that expression). There is a program which allows direct editing of inodes, but it's a very long shot at the best of times even for experts (which I'm not); and in any case I reckon attempting to mend the disk by hand needs an expert sitting in front of the machine. I'll back off now: I think it's time for any real filesystem experts reading all this evidence to give a considered diagnosis (and prognosis). I'm only speaking from memories of painful experience, and general knowledge ... Best wishes, Ted. E-Mail: Ted Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 26-Oct-97 Time: 19:26:52 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
dc has grown up. No need to care about him.
As dc posted to debian-dissent, he intends to make his own distribution. He changed the topic of debian-dissent to reflect this decision. He also removed dissenters from the list. So I think we can consider the topic dc as done with, and return to all-day-work. Thank you, Marcus Brinkmann -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *
Enough is enough... All: IMHO Bruce is doing a fine job. It will be difficult to replace him, particularly so after the acrimony. David - LINUX: the FREE 32 bit OS for [3456]86 PC's available NOW! David B Teague | User interface copyrights software patents make [EMAIL PROTECTED] | programing a dangerous business. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Xvfb
Christopher Jason Morrone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to install net-fu, and it seems that I am missing Xvfb. Anyone know what package it comes in? Strange, I found the manual page xbase but no binary. Torsten -- And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space. Because there's bugger all down here on Earth Monthy Python, Galaxy Song PGP Public key available -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: bo and hamm distributions
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, Scott Ellis wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, Paul Miller wrote: When a new version of a program is released, is a copy compiled to bo and another for hamm? .. or is bo left without any updates? The reason I ask is I thinking of re-installing the bo distribution because I can barely compile anything using hamm. -- probably libc6 releated, but it still doesn't work. For the most part, everything is compiled only for hamm. Many (most?) developers don't have access to machines for compiling libc5-based stuff easily anymore, and bo is supposed to be frozen except for security and severe bugfix releases. This is correct. However, it is quite easy to compile hamm packages on a bo machine by recompiling from the source--usually there is no hacking of the debian package files required to do this. However, people without a high-bandwidth net connection will probably not want to do this. Also, some people are not comfortable compiling software, or they have insufficient hardware resources to install all the necessary development libraries. I suggest that for people who fall into these categories who also require a more up to date version of package XXX should post to debian-user and request a libc5-compiled version of package XXX. I have already compiled libc5 versions of the latest Octave and Octave-doc packages since I need to use these on a reliable platform for my work. I am happy to make these packages available to anyone by anonymous FTP upon request (with absolutely no guarantee that they will run on your machine). Thanks. Syrus. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Syrus Nemat-Nasser [EMAIL PROTECTED]UCSD Physics Dept. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Strange disk problems - file dates out of wack - solved
On 26 Oct 1997, Ben Pfaff wrote: Philippe Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Unmounted /home without any problems and ran e2fsck with the check for bad blocks and force options. However, the disk seems to be fine. Strange. You might want to try the debugfs program. Perhaps it can unlink the files. I ran debugfs -w /dev/hda6, changed into the appropriate directory, rm'd the files (some complaints, but proceeded), quit and the files were gone:). I then ran a e2fsck -fvcy /dev/hda6 (unmounted) and it repaired a few screwy inodes. Everthing seems to be fine now. Thanks for all the help. Cheers, Colin. -- Colin Telmer, Institute of Intergovernmental Relations School of Policy Studies Building, Room 309, Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, Canada, K7L-3N6 (613)545-6000x4219 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://terrapin.econ.queensu.ca -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: bo and hamm distributions
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, Scott Ellis wrote: On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, Paul Miller wrote: For the most part, everything is compiled only for hamm. Many (most?) developers don't have access to machines for compiling libc5-based stuff easily anymore, and bo is supposed to be frozen except for security and severe bugfix releases. Well, just about the only thing I can compile is the kernel.. I want to at least be able to compile Taper 6.8.2 and all of the KDE packages. I used to be able to compile Taper, but I can't anymore -- I need to compile it because the Debian distribution never works with the input fields (ncurses problem I think) .. and KDE just rules.. I can only compile about 1/2 of the basic packages (libs, support, base, and games work; net media, and all of the apps don't). What development packages do you have installed? You need to upgrade most of the development packages to compile new stuff, I expect you didn't install the new ncurses3.4-dev, etc. I have the current version (according to dselect) of all the hamm packages. Here is an example of compiling Taper 6.8.2: # make echo #define CUR_VERSION \6.8.2\ version.h make depend make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/taper-6.8.2' gcc -M -I/usr/include/ncurses vars.c common.c endianize.c tapeio.c rtapelib.c sel_backup.c backup.c sel_restore.c restore.c utils.c mkinfo.c taper.c bg_backup.c \ bg_restore.c .depend make -C compress depend make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/taper-6.8.2/compress' gcc -M -I/usr/include/ncurses zip.c unzip.c bits.c trees.c deflate.c inflate.c util.c lzrw3.c .depend make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/taper-6.8.2/compress' make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/taper-6.8.2' gcc -O6 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -pipe -DLINUX -D_GNU_SOURCE -Dlint -DTRIPLE_BUFFER -I/usr/include/ncurses -o vars.o -c vars.c In file included from taper.h:43, from vars.c:17: select_box.h:125: parse error before `umode_t' make: *** [vars.o] Error 1 I used to be able to compile this program! -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: alien problem (bo)
Are you running alien from the RAW TEXT CONSOLE? (I mean: not an xterm nor Midnight Commander prompt) I got the same error running dpkg-gencontrol from debian build, when I was recompiling debian sorce packages. The reason was that I was running build from xterm or Midnight Commander. May be there is the same problem? I hope that this may help Hm...Oddly enough, that worked. I was having similar problems when I was playing with KDE alien wouldn't work and in fact I couldn't even install a Debian package without it telling me that the gzip package unexpectedly ended. But if I tried it on a console or in an xterm from Afterstep it worked fine. There is definately something weird going on. Adam. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: sig 11 problem when compiling kernel???
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thalia L. Hooker) wrote Anyways, my next step was to 'make zImage'. I kept getting Sig 11 errors though not at the same point of compilation: gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 ... After reading the FAQ, it seemed that my problems were typical of the ones described by other users. I have tried at least 30 times starting over from: make dep ; make clean make zImage So, has any one had the same thing happen to them and did it turn out to be a RAM problem? Or, how were you able to solve it? I seem to have (nearly) the same problem on my AMD K90 system, except the error I usually get is segmentation fault. Again, it happens at random places during a kernel compile. (I delete the last .obj file and restart the compile with 'make zImage' and the compile continues. Eventually, I make it all the way through with a successful compile.) I also run into it perhaps 1 out of 3 times when I do a large LaTeX compile, again at random places in the compile. I am inclined to believe that the sig 11 and the segmentation faults are indeed symptoms of bad hardware. Last May, I spent several days swapping RAM SIMMs around, hoping to get a good set that would cure the kernel compile symptom, but with no luck. I have tentatively concluded that my problem is not bad RAM but some other hardware problem. My next step, when I have the strength to face it, is to pull all the non-essential cards and try again. I also have a few additional SIMMs to try, just in case all the others I tried were bad. If pulling the cards doesn't solve it, I will see if I can jump the motherboard to reduce the CPU clock speed and/or bus speed. I already tried turning off the CPU and motherboard caches, without that solving it. This really is a fascinating topic, I think. How can we (at least I) get any work done when I don't have full confidence in my working platform? Well, on this same machine, W95 (often) and plain DOS (sometimes) lock up on me. I spend more time in Linux, though, and it essentially never locks up on me, but does bomb out on kernel or LaTeX compiles. At least under Linux, the error is caught gracefully and I continue to have a command prompt and working operating system, whereas W95 is extremely rude in requiring the machine to be powered off. So, I would say, from my experience on this one machine, that, given the same level of faulty hardware, Linux is much more reliable. Now, another interesting point: if indeed the problems I've experienced on this machine are really _hardware_ problems, and even though W95 cannot cope with those failures gracefully, is it possible that W95 runs reliably given flawless hardware? That is, is it possible that W95 gets a worse reputation than it deserves due to unsuspected bad hardware? Perhaps I will take to recommending that customers purchase only Hewlett-Packward PCs. Would that solve it? (At least, Hewlett-Packward seems to have a good reputation for quality hardware.) -- Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
compiling errors:
Is there any specific version of compile I need to use? Currently I'm using these programs: (all part of Debian hamm distribution) Qt 1.31 (not part of Debian hamm distribution) gcc 2.7.2.3 c++ 2.7.2.3 make 3.76.1 libc6-dev What on earth is wrong with my piece of shit system? Here are a few examples of the errors I'm getting: errors with the 'kdenetwork' package c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/usr/local/kde/include -I/usr/local/qt/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -g -c kmreaderwin.cpp kmreaderwin.cpp: In method `bool KMReaderView::saveMail()': kmreaderwin.cpp:504: `errno' undeclared (first use this function) kmreaderwin.cpp:504: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once kmreaderwin.cpp:504: for each function it appears in.) kmreaderwin.cpp: In method `bool KMReaderView::slotSaveAtmnt()': kmreaderwin.cpp:612: `errno' undeclared (first use this function) make[2]: *** [kmreaderwin.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/kde/kdenetwork/kmail' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/kde/kdenetwork' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 errors with 'kdemultimedia' packages make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/kde/kdemultimedia/kscd' gcc -c -I/usr/local/kde/include -I/usr/local/qt/include -I/usr/X11R6/include plat_linux.c plat_linux.c: In function `gen_eject': plat_linux.c:353: storage size of `ust' isn't known make[2]: *** [plat_linux.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/kde/kdemultimedia/kscd' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/kde/kdemultimedia' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 errors with 'kctrlaltdel' program c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/local/kde/include -I/usr/lib/qt/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I. -I.. -O2 -Wall -c kctrlaltdel.cpp kctrlaltdel.cpp:115: field `mask' has incomplete type kctrlaltdel.cpp: In method `ShapeWin::ShapeWin()': kctrlaltdel.cpp:120: confused by earlier errors, bailing out make: *** [kctrlaltdel.o] Error 1 errors with 'kom' program gcc -c -O2 -Iinclude -I/usr/local/qt/include -I/usr/local/kde/include kom.cpp kom.cpp: In method `void Kom::createToolbar()': kom.cpp:109: no member function `KToolBar::setPos(KToolBar::BarPosition)' defined kom.cpp: In method `void Kom::hangup()': kom.cpp:419: no member function `KMenuBar::isItemEnabled(int)' defined kom.cpp: In method `void Kom::stop()': kom.cpp:441: no member function `KMenuBar::isItemEnabled(int)' defined make: *** [kom.o] Error 1 errors with 'ktop' program gcc -c -O2 -DSTDC_HEADERS -D_ALTERNATE_ -I/usr/local/qt/include -I/usr/local/kde/include ktop.cpp In file included from ktop.cpp:53: cpu.h:40: field `oldtime' has incomplete type make: *** [ktop.o] Error 1 errors with 'kuser' program c++ -c -O2 -Wall -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/qt/include -I/usr/local/kde/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.. MainDlg.cpp In file included from UserData.h:9, from MainDlg.h:34, from MainDlg.cpp:11: /usr/include/linux/quota.h:113: syntax error before `;' /usr/include/linux/quota.h:114: syntax error before `;' /usr/include/linux/quota.h:115: syntax error before `;' /usr/include/linux/quota.h:116: syntax error before `;' /usr/include/linux/quota.h:117: syntax error before `;' /usr/include/linux/quota.h:118: syntax error before `;' /usr/include/linux/quota.h:138: syntax error before `;' /usr/include/linux/quota.h:139: syntax error before `;' /usr/include/linux/quota.h:140: syntax error before `;' /usr/include/linux/quota.h:141: syntax error before `;' /usr/include/linux/quota.h:142: syntax error before `;' /usr/include/linux/quota.h:143: syntax error before `;' /usr/include/linux/quota.h:144: syntax error before `;' /usr/include/linux/quota.h:145: syntax error before `;' /usr/include/linux/quota.h:146: syntax error before `;' make[1]: *** [MainDlg.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/staff/paul/kuser/src' make: *** [apps] Error 1 .. just about the only thing I can compile is the Linux kernel! -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Applixware
I've been using Applixware under Debian for several months. I, too, am interested in the compatability especially when it comes to power point and word. There have only been a few times I've tried reading MS Word files, it worked once, failed once. I've output RTF files that were somewhat complex with only one known formatting error. (I say known because I never did see the end result to make a comparison...) There are a lot of people out there with old SPARC stations on their networks that are replacing them with NT workstations because Sun wants an arm and a leg to upgrade them to Ultra's. Linux with Applixware and CDE might make a nice, low-cost alternative on the IPC/IPX platform. I suppose I am going to have to wait for Debian SPARC and just test it myself. There are many (OK, a couple) of options other than Applixware. To be complete, I'd suggest checking out Star Office and whatever version of WP Office Caldera is selling. On 25-Oct-97 Rainer Dorsch wrote: Has anybody experience with Applixware Office suit (sold by redhat) on a Debian system? Is the installation procedure straight forward? Can you give comments on the compatibility of the file formats of Applixware, MS Word and Ms Powerpoint? I've *never* used any of the MS Office products. Applixware is the first GUI-based package I've needed to use. However, an associate of mine who has had a bit of MS experience doesn't care for the latest version of Applixware - he feels it's about two versions behind MS in functionality. Applix's apparent internal structure should lend itself to improved functionality quite easily, so this may change. Thank you. -- Rainer Dorsch Abt. Rechnerarchitektur e-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Universität StuttgartTel.: 0711-7816-215 Let me know if you would like more information regarding my experiences with Applix. Chuck -- Chuck Stickelman, Owner E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Practical Network DesignVoice: (419) 529-3841 9 Chambers Road FAX:(419) 529-3625 Mansfield, OH 44906-1302 USA -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: sig 11 problem when compiling kernel???
On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 02:36:12PM -0600, Frank Sergeant wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thalia L. Hooker) wrote I seem to have (nearly) the same problem on my AMD K90 system, except the error I usually get is segmentation fault. Again, it happens at random places during a kernel compile. (I delete the last .obj file and restart the compile with 'make zImage' and the compile continues. Eventually, I make it all the way through with a successful compile.) I also run into it perhaps 1 out of 3 times when I do a large LaTeX compile, again at random places in the compile. I am inclined to believe that the sig 11 and the segmentation faults are indeed symptoms of bad hardware. Last May, I spent several days swapping RAM SIMMs around, hoping to get a good set that would cure the kernel compile symptom, but with no luck. I have tentatively concluded that my problem is not bad RAM but some other hardware problem. My next step, when I have the strength to face it, is to pull all the non-essential cards and try again. I also have a few additional SIMMs to try, just in case all the others I tried were bad. If pulling the cards doesn't solve it, I will see if I can jump the motherboard to reduce the CPU clock speed and/or bus speed. I already tried turning off the CPU and motherboard caches, without that solving it. You can also change the bios setings, adding more wait states or so. Now, another interesting point: if indeed the problems I've experienced on this machine are really _hardware_ problems, and even though W95 cannot cope with those failures gracefully, is it possible that W95 runs reliably given flawless hardware? That is, is it possible that W95 gets a worse reputation than it deserves due to unsuspected bad hardware? Perhaps I will take to recommending that customers purchase only Hewlett-Packward PCs. Would that solve it? (At least, Hewlett-Packward seems to have a good reputation for quality hardware.) Please notice, that a kernel compile stresses the machine to its end. Linux does use the power of your machine more than windoze. You can have a flawless working Win machine (well, what you call flawless windoze...:) and Linux does seg11 anyway, because windozw does not use the power of the machine. Linux does faster RAM access, so adding waitstates in the bios may help. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
installing applixware 4.2
are there any special methods I should use to install applixware 4.2 on my Debian system? -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: compiling errors:
Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: errors with the 'kdenetwork' package c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/usr/local/kde/include -I/usr/local/qt/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -g -c kmreaderwin.cpp kmreaderwin.cpp: In method `bool KMReaderView::saveMail()': kmreaderwin.cpp:504: `errno' undeclared (first use this function) kmreaderwin.cpp:504: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once kmreaderwin.cpp:504: for each function it appears in.) kmreaderwin.cpp: In method `bool KMReaderView::slotSaveAtmnt()': kmreaderwin.cpp:612: `errno' undeclared (first use this function) make[2]: *** [kmreaderwin.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/kde/kdenetwork/kmail' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/kde/kdenetwork' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 Add `#include errno.h' to the top of the offending files. This is a common libc5-libc6 conversion thing. Don't know about the others, offhand. -- Ben Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senders of unsolicited commercial e-mail will receive free 32MB core files! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: installing applixware 4.2
are there any special methods I should use to install applixware 4.2 on my Debian system? The way I've found best is to go into the /cdrom/RPMS/i386 directory and convert the appropriate .rpm files into .deb files with alien. Make sure you have the latest alien and the latest dpkg-dev though or you may have problems (I did). Then just install the debian packages as normal. The only weirdness is that it installs it into /opt but that's okay. Adam. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
The real Debian.org
Take heed people. This is what happens if you dare challenge the leadership of the Debian project. Personal attacks, compliants to your service provider, banishment from the project. They will gang-up on you and drive you away. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. If you are new to Debian, please don't make the mistake I made. This is a closed software project, where you are allowed to contribute only if you surcome to the personal agenda of the current leadership. This is the structure and model of the project, make no bones about it. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
java-applets hang or kill netscape
Hello! Recently I changed from S.U.S.E 4.4 to Debian 1.3.1. I think it was a good decision but I have one problem. If there are java-applets or java-scripts which are sent to my PC netscape hangs or dies while running them. With my old Linux-distribution all works fine. I have the same kernel (kernel 2.0.29) and the same netscape (3.0 gold) with the same preferences. I have tried kernel 2.0.30 and netscape 3.01 but the result is the same. Has anybody an idea how I can solve the problem? How can I get error-codes or messages that can help solving? When netscape dies I have no chance to read any message in the status line and when it hangs there is no message. I would be very happy if anybody can help me. Gerhard PS. Excuse me if I have sent this twice. Don't know. -- Gerhard Olejniczak Tel:+49-9128-12090 Mozartstr.1E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-90592 Schwarzenbruck -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
dselect problem...
Hi all, With deselect, I have the Access with ftp with right directory and all then I pick update which download new packages files from dists/unstable/main, non-free, and contrib like the way it should. But when I do Install I get this messages: Processing status file... Processing Package files... Couldn't find packages file for dists/unstable/main distribution (re-run Update) Couldn't find packages file for dists/unstable/contrib distribution (re-run Update) Couldn't find packages file for dists/unstable/non-free distribution (re-run Update) Constructing list of files to get... Approximate total space required: 0k Available space in /debian: 109334k Nothing to get. I don't know why dselect is not see he packages file, which is in /var/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/* with names Packages.dists_unstable_contrib, Packages.dists_unstable_main, and Packages.dsts_unstble_non-free. I can't figure out why this is happening since I have used same steps to update in another machine without this problem. Any hint as to how to make dselect see those packages files would be appreciated, David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: The real Debian.org
First off, I am not a developer of Debian packages and thus do not know how Bruce Perens manages the distribution. But basically I have two comments. 1. To DC, your first mistake was to post your request to all of the debian lists. The problem with this is that this is a developers' issue, not a users' issue. Thus all those responses sound like they were from users of debian, not the developers. In this case, user's opinions are irrelavent. Who cares if a user likes Bruce Perens as the project leader? They are not the one who must work with him. Developers like you and others are the ones who matter. What do other developers think? Are they having the same problem as you? 2. To the users, it's so pitiful that users of a distribution is so quick to kick out a DEVELOPER just because he disagrees with the leader. As a user, I must laugh at some of the criticisms. Spelling mistakes? Use of initials instead of the full name? These are reasons for ignoring a complaint? It is scary to find out that this type of group can decide who becomes a developer for debian and who doesn't. I should mention that this is not the first time there was disagreement in the Debian project. I remember in the beginning that Bruce and RMS also had a disagreement. Fortunately, that was resolved. I hope this one gets resolved as well. Unlike others, I do see some problems with the distribution and improvements can be made. Dave, I don't know what kind of contributions you make to debian. But if it is in the dpkg program, then I hope you can continue to improve it. If you do branch off into another distribution (great, yet another distribution), then dpkg is the first program you should improve. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: compiling errors:
On 26 Oct 1997, Ben Pfaff wrote: Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Add `#include errno.h' to the top of the offending files. This is a common libc5-libc6 conversion thing. Don't know about the others, offhand. Thanks! That helped with that package.. Is there a reference of libc5 = libc6 conversion or a program which makes conversion available? -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: The real Debian.org
Hello Dave! Actually, you sent this message to me personally, so I think you want to address me. This is why I answer. On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 05:48:10PM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote: Take heed people. This is what happens if you dare challenge the leadership of the Debian project. Personal attacks, compliants to your service provider, banishment from the project. They will gang-up on you and drive you away. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. I never attacked you or tried to do you any harm. So I think that you want to warn me: If you are new to Debian, please don't make the mistake I made. This is a closed software project, where you are allowed to contribute only if you surcome to the personal agenda of the current leadership. This is the structure and model of the project, make no bones about it. Sorry, Dave. My experience is different from yours. Although I never contributed anything real to debian, all people here have been friendly and open to suggestions even from people that are not a developer or maintainer, but just an ordinary user. Think about it, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: sig 11 problem when compiling kernel???
because you are using K6, make sure that it is made after week 30. K6 before week 30 will trigger a bug where people cannot compile Linux kernel if there are more than 32MB in their computer. It only happens to Linux world and in fact the bug is uncovered by Linux guys. Frank Sergeant wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thalia L. Hooker) wrote Anyways, my next step was to 'make zImage'. I kept getting Sig 11 errors though not at the same point of compilation: gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 ... After reading the FAQ, it seemed that my problems were typical of the ones described by other users. I have tried at least 30 times starting over from: make dep ; make clean make zImage So, has any one had the same thing happen to them and did it turn out to be a RAM problem? Or, how were you able to solve it? I seem to have (nearly) the same problem on my AMD K90 system, except the error I usually get is segmentation fault. Again, it happens at random places during a kernel compile. (I delete the last .obj file and restart the compile with 'make zImage' and the compile continues. Eventually, I make it all the way through with a successful compile.) I also run into it perhaps 1 out of 3 times when I do a large LaTeX compile, again at random places in the compile. I am inclined to believe that the sig 11 and the segmentation faults are indeed symptoms of bad hardware. Last May, I spent several days swapping RAM SIMMs around, hoping to get a good set that would cure the kernel compile symptom, but with no luck. I have tentatively concluded that my problem is not bad RAM but some other hardware problem. My next step, when I have the strength to face it, is to pull all the non-essential cards and try again. I also have a few additional SIMMs to try, just in case all the others I tried were bad. If pulling the cards doesn't solve it, I will see if I can jump the motherboard to reduce the CPU clock speed and/or bus speed. I already tried turning off the CPU and motherboard caches, without that solving it. This really is a fascinating topic, I think. How can we (at least I) get any work done when I don't have full confidence in my working platform? Well, on this same machine, W95 (often) and plain DOS (sometimes) lock up on me. I spend more time in Linux, though, and it essentially never locks up on me, but does bomb out on kernel or LaTeX compiles. At least under Linux, the error is caught gracefully and I continue to have a command prompt and working operating system, whereas W95 is extremely rude in requiring the machine to be powered off. So, I would say, from my experience on this one machine, that, given the same level of faulty hardware, Linux is much more reliable. Now, another interesting point: if indeed the problems I've experienced on this machine are really _hardware_ problems, and even though W95 cannot cope with those failures gracefully, is it possible that W95 runs reliably given flawless hardware? That is, is it possible that W95 gets a worse reputation than it deserves due to unsuspected bad hardware? Perhaps I will take to recommending that customers purchase only Hewlett-Packward PCs. Would that solve it? (At least, Hewlett-Packward seems to have a good reputation for quality hardware.) -- Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: IMPORTANT Correction: The real Debian.org
On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 12:25:56PM -1000, Jimen Ching wrote: 2. To the users, it's so pitiful that users of a distribution is so quick to kick out a DEVELOPER just because he disagrees with the leader. Please notice that Dave Cinege is NOT a debian developer. He does not maintain a package and never did. He does work on a router project that uses debian as a basis, and he did contribute to debian-user, asking questions of other users. But he is not official involved in Debian, if there isn't something I don't know. As a user, I must laugh at some of the criticisms. Spelling mistakes? Use of initials instead of the full name? These are reasons for ignoring a complaint? It is scary to find out that this type of group can decide who becomes a developer for debian and who doesn't. It seems to me that you missed the long thread on debian-devel a while ago, where dave has used uglier things than common four letter words to express his opinion :( I can post you this thread, it is only slightly larger than one megabyte... I should mention that this is not the first time there was disagreement in the Debian project. I remember in the beginning that Bruce and RMS also had a disagreement. Fortunately, that was resolved. I hope this one gets resolved as well. Unlike others, I do see some problems with the distribution and improvements can be made. Dave, I don't know what kind I use Debian since a year only, but I think the disagreement between the FSF and Debian is in no way comparable to the rantings of dc. of contributions you make to debian. But if it is in the dpkg program, then I hope you can continue to improve it. If you do branch off into another distribution (great, yet another distribution), then dpkg is the first program you should improve. As I stated above, dc is not a debian developer, and I doubt that he can improve dpkg. As Ian(?) stated a while ago, everyone who has a small idea of the way dpkg works, disappears from this world :) For dpkg: Bruce is pretty sure that all distributions will use ANSI packages soon. Thank you, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *
two people throwing with mug to each other, but one of them complains about the other throwing mug. please be quiet david. i'm not a member of the bruce fan club, and i'm not as blind as some other developers, but this time bruce is right. stop flameing him, stop your mini revolution. we will have a timeline for selecting a new leader, and this timeline is ok for everybody. bruce : do what ever you think is necessary. you have my full support. andreas -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: The real Debian.org
if you are friendly, we threat you friendly. if you are unfriendly, we might threat you unfriendly (but we try at least to be friendly). if you are unfriendly, are threated unfriendly, and complain about being threated unfrienly in an unfriendly tone, you are annoying. we have better to do than reading annoying emails, so we will get angry sooner or later. in this case, we got angry. please leave, david. when you have learned this lessen, you are invited to come back. andreas -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: The real Debian.org
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 12:25:56 -1000 (HST), Jimen Ching wrote: First off, I am not a developer of Debian packages and thus do not know how Bruce Perens manages the distribution. But basically I have two comments. 1. To DC, your first mistake was to post your request to all of the debian lists. The problem with this is that this is a developers' issue, not a users' issue. My orginal post was to all list because it concerned everyone involved in the project. (Removal of project leader) 2. To the users, it's so pitiful that users of a distribution is so quick to kick out a DEVELOPER just because he disagrees with the leader. You're going to get a lot of flack over this. See I'm not a developer. Why? I'm not allowed to be. But don't worry this catch 22 does nothing to prevent other developers that are *allowed* by Bruce from pointing the finger at me for not being a developer. As a user, I must laugh at some of the criticisms. Spelling mistakes? Use of initials instead of the full name? These are reasons for ignoring a complaint? It is scary to find out that this type of group can decide who becomes a developer for debian and who doesn't. That's the point, let it be known. I am done with it and debian. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: IMPORTANT Correction: The real Debian.org
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:54:15 +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 12:25:56PM -1000, Jimen Ching wrote: 2. To the users, it's so pitiful that users of a distribution is so quick to kick out a DEVELOPER just because he disagrees with the leader. Please notice that Dave Cinege is NOT a debian developer. See what I mean Convenently left out is I would be maintaining packages, as well writing a new system package, if I was allowed to. I was also going to open a crypto mirror, but Bruce made it clear it to would not be recognized. It seems to me that you missed the long thread on debian-devel a while ago, where dave has used uglier things than common four letter words to express his opinion :( I can post you this thread, it is only slightly larger than one megabyte... Where the same lynching immedatly began, and I made the mistake of responding too. Many of the same people, including Marcus, started the fireworks back then as well. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: SMP Linux
Matthew Tebbens wrote: Can someone recommend a good motherboard for use with SMP Linux ? I was looking at the DK440LX by Intel for use with dual pII 300's, it comes with an onboard Adaptec 7895 Dual Channel SCSI controller with RAIDport... not sure if Linux supports that controller. We're using ASUS P65UP5+CP6ND w/Dual PPRO 200 and EDO mem without problems. And we tried the Intel Providence Dual PPRO too with the same excellent results. Un saludo. Alfonso Correas -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PCMCIA/kernel problems
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Miller) writes: After making a new kernel (using make-kpkg and so on, as specified in /usr/doc/kernel-source-version/debian.README), you will have to make a new set of pcmcia modules. Instructions are in /usr/doc/pcmcia-source/README. If you make both the kernel and the pcmcia modules according to the Debian documentation (which is somewhat different than what you'll find in the kernel and pcmcia HOWTO's), then the new modules should work fine. Correct. The pcmcia-modules-KV package should be rebuilt to accompany the newly configured kernel that you have built. Here's a related question - where is the SCHEME variable set in a Debian 1.3 system? The pcmcia docs state that the default value is `default', but on my system, the default value seems to be `'. The current PCMCIA scheme is stored in /var/run/pcmcia-scheme. If this file is empty, then the scheme is default. To see the current scheme, use cardctl scheme To set the scheme, say to work, use cardctl scheme work Brian -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: The real Debian.org - please read
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: If you are new to Debian, please don't make the mistake I made. This is a closed software project, where you are allowed to contribute only if you surcome to the personal agenda of the current leadership. This is the structure and model of the project, make no bones about it. I am a developer, albeit a fringe developer in that I do not maintain many packages or any mainstream packages. I became a developer to give something back to Debian as I and my department (economics, not the institute below) uses the Debian distribution more and more every day. I have not always agreed on the management technique, but Debian is a volunteer organization. It is large. It is not perfect. Inherent in any organization of this nature is disagreement and the need for some subset of volunteers to have a final say. Otherwise nothing would be accomplished. Overall I am immensely pleased with Debian. I was openly and freely admitted as a developer and will leave when and if I decide I do not agree with the direction Debian is headed. There are many linux distributions including Debian that all have their advantages and disadvantages. Debian is no exception. We are all free to choose among them. New users, old users, new developers, etc. - please make the above judgments for yourself. I cannot find any logic in Mr. Cinege's attacks on the Debian project and am at a loss to why he expends so much effort abusing something he seems to dislike. I assume that I am missing parts of his arguments as some discussions were in private and therefore I am not fully informed. However, that is irrelevant. These skirmishes have never affected me in any way nor in the way that I approach the organization and use the distribution. I am thrilled with Debian and, with a lot of help from Dirk Eddelbuettel, have easily convinced my department Debian is stable enough to switch from AIX to Debian/GNU Linux for all applications. Colin Telmer. -- Colin Telmer, Institute of Intergovernmental Relations School of Policy Studies Building, Room 309, Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, Canada, K7L-3N6 (613)545-6000x4219 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://terrapin.econ.queensu.ca -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: dselect problem...
David Puryear [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With deselect, I have the Access with ftp with right directory and all then I pick update which download new packages files from dists/unstable/main, non-free, and contrib like the way it should. But when I do Install I get this messages: Processing status file... Processing Package files... Couldn't find packages file for dists/unstable/main distribution (re-run Update) Couldn't find packages file for dists/unstable/contrib distribution (re-run Update) Couldn't find packages file for dists/unstable/non-free distribution (re-run Update) Constructing list of files to get... Approximate total space required: 0k Available space in /debian: 109334k Nothing to get. If I recall properly, I had this problem at one point and solved by upgrading to a newer dpkg-ftp. Try downloading the newest version from hamm with a regular ftp program and installing with `dpkg -i'. Then re-run Update and Install and see if that fixes the problem. -- Ben Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senders of unsolicited commercial e-mail will receive free 32MB core files! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
