[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-30
Present: Hossein, Sahil, Heiko Comments: Michael, Stuart, Eyal, Stephane Tickets/Topics * UNO Sidebar 'Hide' and 'Show' sidebar deck (splitwin) -- a new function (available for assigning a shortcut key to it) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161037 + switch/toggle tab with alt+ combinations (Michael) + provide a keyboard toggle for the splitwin to collapse (Stuart) + ctrl+f5 closes the sidebar, the close button (x) closes, the special sidebar button minimizes it + overly complex interaction, suggest to not change it (Heiko) + interaction is ambiguous, when the window width is smaller than the sidebar width, the sidebar disappears (Hossein, Sahil) => resolve NAB/WF * Special Find presets with regular expression + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161029 + sounds good but with limited features (Stuart) + good for an extension (Eyal) + https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en/extensions/show/70066 + no room for presets, dropdown fills with previous searches (Heiko) + regex is complex and a few presets wont help (Hossein) + MS Word has a special dropdown to search for a couple of most often used special characters such as page break or soft hyphen => examples are rather suited for documentation * Provide framework to suppress editing with direct formatting of a styled document, or template + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153309 + must not force people into styles, WF (Dieter) + Tools > Protect > [x] Allow Direct Formatting (Heiko) + rather per-document/template method (Stuart) + however, we provide all means to hide DF interactions and disable it globally might feel broken (Heiko) + it's possible with MSO (Hossein) => go for it * Print dialog: Put initial focus to "Printer" combobox + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161082 + change the dialog landing to the "Printer" (Stuart) + keep at copies as this is more frequently changed (Heiko) + similar to MSO, move "number of copies" to the top (Hossein) + switching to the number of copies is easy done per alt+n (Heiko) => follow a11y * Add "Apply" button to all tabs of Table Properties dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160858 + sidebar/toolbar offer relevant functions (Stephane) + immediate feedback from the apply button is important (Sahil) + consistency is prime, Apply is available for styles but not direct formatting (Hossein) + rather remove the Apply buttons than adding to more dialogs (Hossein) => comment with recommendation to resolve WF -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Jun-05 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, June/05, 20:00 GMT+2 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * basic HTML cell render + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161223 * RecalcOptimalRowHeightMode should be effective for CSV imports also + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160983 * UI - dashed outline for active cell border + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161204 * Support showing combinations of (named) style + direct formatting in Stylist + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161251 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, May/30. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00049.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-22
Present: Eyal, Sahil, John, Heiko Comments: Aron, Jan Tickets/Topics * When you select part of a column with merged cells, all columns that are part of the merged cell are selected + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158288 + NAB (Aron), + selection should denote/depict the merged cells (Eyal) vs. selection starts on top-left to bottom-right + we are Excel compatible, and actually even better (Heiko) + is a range-selection (not to confuse with multiple cells) meant to include all from x1 to y2; if so the behavior is correct + merged cells take actually the content from the top-left cell + copying of multi-selections is not possible + unclear use case, potentially impacting the workflow of many users (John) => comment with needinfo * Want MS-Word like auto-formatting of beginning of list item + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158874 + cool stuff (John) + could it be done via extension (Sahil) => do it * Form creating is too niche to merit a main menu item visible by default + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161031 + rarely used; conditional logic tricky to maintain and test (Jan) + was done to align with other modules, IIRC (Heiko) + changing the main menu is a PITA for users, showing conditionally like "View > [ ] Show Forms Menu" and also "[ ] Show Shapes Menu" is possible but would be quite uncommon; = NAB/WF (Heiko) + no strong opinion (John, Sahil) => resolve WF to safe users from the annoyance of changing menus * FORMCONTROLS: Add ability to Find and Replace field names + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160938 + intention is to (batch) rename fields, which is not needed (Heiko) + finding controls might make sense for a huge number of items, which is not so likely; and the Navigator lists the content nicely plus will have different sort methods (Heiko, John) + being an ODF editor requires a place to find everything which is defined (Eyal) + F with RegEx works well and might be handy for object names in some cases (Eyal) => both points are valid, keep ticket -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-May-30 (THU)
Hello everyone, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, May/30, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * UNO Sidebar 'Hide' and 'Show' sidebar deck (splitwin) -- a new function (available for assigning a shortcut key to it) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161037 * Special Find presets with regular expression + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161029 * Provide framework to suppress editing with direct formatting of a styled document, or template + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153309 * Print dialog: Put initial focus to "Printer" combobox + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161082 * Add "Apply" button to all tabs of Table Properties dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160858 All topics being on the agenda are collected in this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is tomorrow, Wednesday May/22. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00044.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-16
Present: Rafael, Sahil, Cor, Heiko, Hossein Comments: Stuart, Eyal, Ady Tickets/Topics * Add .uno:VRuler button to NB Tabbed/Tabbed Compact cutomize View list + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160694 + use main menu (Stuart) + suggest to split uno:Rulers into VRuler and HRuler and make the two individual settings in tools > options > view as well as a dropdown with both options in the tabbed NB (and the classic UI) (Rafael, Hossein) + If you click on the button, it enable/disable both. But it you choose dropdown, you should be able to select horizontal/vertical separately and check/uncheck them. + vertical ruler are rather a frequently changed option and don't deserve a main spot on the UI (Heiko) => majority for the dropdown solution * Quickfind sidebar: Make the sidebar the default for ctrl+F + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160544 + not replacement but supplement; unfinished and not appealing (Stuart, Eyal) + matter of how the state of the sidebar is preserved after using (Cor) + option to switch makes sense (Rafael, Cor) + unfinished, at least accessibility needs improvements (Rafael) => add the option but leave the current quickfind as default * Allow choosing the page style from the sheets tab + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160920 + simplifying not needed as this is an expert workflow (Stuart) + page style can be changed via status bar > page style dialog (Ady) + but not picked, which is the case in Writer (right click on status bar) (Cor) + Writer lists the available PgS per right click on the SB and allows to pick one; makes sense to add in Calc too (Rafael) + easy hackable (Sahil) + willing to look into this one (Cor) => do it * Right clicking on selected text unselects it if the cursor is on a misspelled word + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98902 + same workflow as LibO in MS Word (Hossein) + suggested selection of the misspelled word is superior (Hossein) + drawback is that we cannot check phrases anymore, or can we? (Heiko) + maybe ctrl + right click for spell checking (Sahil) + bug reporter was unhappy with Impress, which is wrong and WF (Rafael, Hossein) + but rather unhappy about the inconsistency, which is an issue (Sahil) + to remove the selection might be "surprising" to users and we could add some additional overlay color as MSO does (grey for select + red on hover for spellcheck issue) (Hossein) => needsDevAdvice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: behavior of new functions XLOOKUP and XMATCH
Hi List, > Combining parameter values for wildcard mode and binary search is possible. But there exist no way to actually do it. Excel gives an error messages in such cases. LibreOffice silently switches to linear search. So the fix for the error is "do not to combine the parameters wildcard and binary search" and thus use linear search instead of binary? Or can the error be caused by the kind of data (so that the flag combination that fails in Excel makes sense with some data but not with other kinds of data?) If the error always has the same kind of fix (do not combine these parameters) no matter what data it works on, it seems that an error message makes a lot of sense. Jan Am 15.05.2024 um 02:03 schrieb Regina Henschel: Hi Heiko, I write to you directly too, because I don't know whether the design list allows attachments. Heiko Tietze schrieb am 14.05.2024 um 08:21: Correct me but =XLOOKUP(C3;A$1:A$3;B$1:B$3;"INV";_3_;1) returns #VALUE! (Excel) or The parameter Match_mode can only have the values 0 exact match =, 1 approximate match >=, -1 approximate match <= and 2 wildcard or regex match. Value 3 is invalid. Whether wildcard or regex is used, depends on the attributes table:use-regular-expressions and table:use-wildcards of the element. That are the radio buttons in Tools > Options > Calc > Calculate > Formulas Wildcards. Err:504 (LO) =_Y_LOOKUP(C4;A$1:A$3;B$1:B$3;"INV";0;1) returns #NAME? (both) There is no function YLOOKUP. The old versions are VLOOKUP and HLOOKUP. What exactly will change? I have attached the current state of the specification. XLOOKUP function has more values for Match_mode and Search_mode than VLOOKUP and HLOOKUP. XLOOKUP can work on separate arrays for LOOKUP and DATA, whereas VLOOKUP and HLOOKUP work on a rectangular range. ...and some more features. The Excel help has some examples: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/xlookup-function-b7fd680e-6d10-43e6-84f9-88eae8bf5929 The new function XLOOKUP has a parameter Search_mode. Its values can be 1 linear search from first item to last item -1 linear search from last item to first item 2 binary search on an ascended sorted array -2 binary search on an descended sorted array The problem is, what should be the output, when the user sets Match_mode 2 together with Search_mode 2 or -2. Kind regards, Regina PS: ux-advice@ is the forward mailing list from Bugzilla and I'm not sure how many people have registered. Rather use design@ for input from the UI/UX group. On 14.05.24 12:23 AM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi UX-experts, the new function XLOOKUP and XMATCH have a Match_mode with values 0, 1, -1, 2 and a Search_mode with values 1, -1, 2, -2. The Match_mode 2 means wildcard mode, that is ? * search or regular expressions search. The Search_modes 2 and -2 mean binary search in a sorted array. Combining parameter values for wildcard mode and binary search is possible. But there exist no way to actually do it. Excel gives an error messages in such cases. LibreOffice silently switches to linear search. The ODF TC is currently working on the specification for these new functions. The TC could either follow Excel's way or LibreOffice's way. From a developer state of view it is no large effort to change the current behavior of LibreOffice. The TC does not know yet whether Microsoft would be willing to switch to LibreOffice's behavior. I write to you for to get your opinion what will be the best solution from a _user_ point of view. Some arguments so far: * No error message would make use of the functions in macros and forms easier. * No error message might be better for using the functions in automatically calculations without UI. * Using linear search can be unexpected slow on a huge Lookup_array. An error message makes the problem visible to the user. I would love to hear your opinion. Kind regards, Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: behavior of new functions XLOOKUP and XMATCH
Re-adding the dev ML; Regina's full reply at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00045.html On 15.05.24 2:03 AM, Regina Henschel wrote: The problem is, what should be the output, when the user sets Match_mode 2 together with Search_mode 2 or -2. Excel returns #VALUE! for the combination =XLOOKUP(C3;A$1:A$3;B$1:B$3;"INV";2;2) while we do some processing. On 14.05.24 5:04 AM, Mike Kaganski wrote: Emitting error is the only sane way here.Absolutely. It is not some kind of interruptive error box but a typical way to give feedback on typos or for unspecified content. Silently switching to some other way of processing is almost impossible to understand for users. And I cannot follow the arguments that no error message makes the handling easier. If you want, we can run a poll what users prefer. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: behavior of new functions XLOOKUP and XMATCH
Hi Heiko, I write to you directly too, because I don't know whether the design list allows attachments. Heiko Tietze schrieb am 14.05.2024 um 08:21: Correct me but =XLOOKUP(C3;A$1:A$3;B$1:B$3;"INV";_3_;1) returns #VALUE! (Excel) or The parameter Match_mode can only have the values 0 exact match =, 1 approximate match >=, -1 approximate match <= and 2 wildcard or regex match. Value 3 is invalid. Whether wildcard or regex is used, depends on the attributes table:use-regular-expressions and table:use-wildcards of the element. That are the radio buttons in Tools > Options > Calc > Calculate > Formulas Wildcards. Err:504 (LO) =_Y_LOOKUP(C4;A$1:A$3;B$1:B$3;"INV";0;1) returns #NAME? (both) There is no function YLOOKUP. The old versions are VLOOKUP and HLOOKUP. What exactly will change? I have attached the current state of the specification. XLOOKUP function has more values for Match_mode and Search_mode than VLOOKUP and HLOOKUP. XLOOKUP can work on separate arrays for LOOKUP and DATA, whereas VLOOKUP and HLOOKUP work on a rectangular range. ...and some more features. The Excel help has some examples: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/xlookup-function-b7fd680e-6d10-43e6-84f9-88eae8bf5929 The new function XLOOKUP has a parameter Search_mode. Its values can be 1 linear search from first item to last item -1 linear search from last item to first item 2 binary search on an ascended sorted array -2 binary search on an descended sorted array The problem is, what should be the output, when the user sets Match_mode 2 together with Search_mode 2 or -2. Kind regards, Regina PS: ux-advice@ is the forward mailing list from Bugzilla and I'm not sure how many people have registered. Rather use design@ for input from the UI/UX group. On 14.05.24 12:23 AM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi UX-experts, the new function XLOOKUP and XMATCH have a Match_mode with values 0, 1, -1, 2 and a Search_mode with values 1, -1, 2, -2. The Match_mode 2 means wildcard mode, that is ? * search or regular expressions search. The Search_modes 2 and -2 mean binary search in a sorted array. Combining parameter values for wildcard mode and binary search is possible. But there exist no way to actually do it. Excel gives an error messages in such cases. LibreOffice silently switches to linear search. The ODF TC is currently working on the specification for these new functions. The TC could either follow Excel's way or LibreOffice's way. From a developer state of view it is no large effort to change the current behavior of LibreOffice. The TC does not know yet whether Microsoft would be willing to switch to LibreOffice's behavior. I write to you for to get your opinion what will be the best solution from a _user_ point of view. Some arguments so far: * No error message would make use of the functions in macros and forms easier. * No error message might be better for using the functions in automatically calculations without UI. * Using linear search can be unexpected slow on a huge Lookup_array. An error message makes the problem visible to the user. I would love to hear your opinion. Kind regards, Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Re: behavior of new functions XLOOKUP and XMATCH
Correct me but =XLOOKUP(C3;A$1:A$3;B$1:B$3;"INV";_3_;1) returns #VALUE! (Excel) or Err:504 (LO) =_Y_LOOKUP(C4;A$1:A$3;B$1:B$3;"INV";0;1) returns #NAME? (both) What exactly will change? PS: ux-advice@ is the forward mailing list from Bugzilla and I'm not sure how many people have registered. Rather use design@ for input from the UI/UX group. On 14.05.24 12:23 AM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi UX-experts, the new function XLOOKUP and XMATCH have a Match_mode with values 0, 1, -1, 2 and a Search_mode with values 1, -1, 2, -2. The Match_mode 2 means wildcard mode, that is ? * search or regular expressions search. The Search_modes 2 and -2 mean binary search in a sorted array. Combining parameter values for wildcard mode and binary search is possible. But there exist no way to actually do it. Excel gives an error messages in such cases. LibreOffice silently switches to linear search. The ODF TC is currently working on the specification for these new functions. The TC could either follow Excel's way or LibreOffice's way. From a developer state of view it is no large effort to change the current behavior of LibreOffice. The TC does not know yet whether Microsoft would be willing to switch to LibreOffice's behavior. I write to you for to get your opinion what will be the best solution from a _user_ point of view. Some arguments so far: * No error message would make use of the functions in macros and forms easier. * No error message might be better for using the functions in automatically calculations without UI. * Using linear search can be unexpected slow on a huge Lookup_array. An error message makes the problem visible to the user. I would love to hear your opinion. Kind regards, Regina -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Architect and UI-Designer Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-08
Present: Sahil, John, Hossein, Cor, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Stephane, Dieter Tickets/Topics * Major design changes ongoing for "Better handling for multiline tabs + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99528 * List images in order of document appearance in Calc Navigator + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160353 + at least four different sort orders: row first, col first, alphabetically, by insertion time (Heiko) + limited use case (John) + Navigator lists objects from all sheets making the sort order problematic (John) + maybe reported somewhere; unclear if users accept when the Navigator restricts objects to the current sheet => keep with low priority * Icons for promote / demote outline level should be improved + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158932 + clear depiction of the action (Stuart) + there are issues with RTL UI (Hossein) + dup at https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154523 + see also https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70102 => duplicate * Print multiple non-contiguous print ranges on a single page in LibreOffice Calc + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160610 + prone to complications; (cumbersome) alternatives possible (Stephané) + hiding rows is possibly a proper workaround for the rare need (Cor) => suggest WF if there's no clear response * Print (or export) only tracked changes + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160497 + sidebar lists all TC (Dieter) + macro on ask.libo solves the use case (Heiko) + reasonable use case for some (Cor, John) + but macro is a good solution => resolve WF -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-02
Present: Sahil, Eyal, Cor, Heiko Comments: Seth, Stephane, Stuart, Jim Tickets/Topics * Rename "Navigation" toolbar to clarify its role, avoid confusion, and relate to "Recency" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160732 + "Position History" (Seth, Stuart, Jim, Eyal) + also in the Navigator dropdown (Stephane, Jim, Stuart) => no concerns, do it * Implement "recency" navigation for Calc module and make available from TB or Sidebar Navigator + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160505 + limit to named ranges, objects, etc. but not every cell (Heiko) + request does not seem to have a significant/compelling use case (Cor) + Can identify a reasonable use case, not sure about how frequently it's encountered. Would like to have heard more from Petros (Eyal) + no harm in having such a feature though => keep it with low priority * Column resize handle touch-target too small + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160324 + it is about 3-4 px and should be larger (Miguel, Michael, Eyal) + perhaps make it zoom dependent (Heiko) + wonder if the hit-area is dpi-dependent (Heiko) + might be problematic for hidden or small columns (Heiko) + we should test it (Cor) => give it a try * Offer to download & install missing fonts from online sources + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159950 + TDF cannot host non-free fonts, cloud-sharing might work (Stuart) + unclear what 'relevant online sources' means (Cor) + ideally to be done per extension, either storing content on the TDF site or as forward request (Heiko) + font management is rather up to the OS/DE; we may support this (Heiko) + extension is not least not the solution therefore since we would download the ttf/otf and execute the system's installer (Eyal) + repository should allow downloading of plain font to make easy installation possible (Eyal) + topic has been discussed extensively before, eg in tdf#78186, 91886, 113496, or 146291 (Heiko) + see also https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/10/21/dealing-with-missing-fonts/ => feature is definitely desirable and ideally become combined with a previously filed ticket -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-May-08 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, May/08, 20:00 GMT+2 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * List images in order of document appearance in Calc Navigator + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160353 * Icons for promote / demote outline level should be improved + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158932 * Print multiple non-contiguous print ranges on a single page in LibreOffice Calc + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160610 * Print (or export) only tracked changes + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160497 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, May/02. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00036.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-24
Sorry for missing a meeting with a few of "my own" bug reports... On 24/04/2024 21:58, Heiko Tietze wrote: * Want indication of whether a master slide is in use or not + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160403 + MSO Powerpoints shows the number of slides in a tooltip (Stephane) + additional boolean indication would be nice (Eyal) + tooltip sounds good and is not harmful (John) + not much useful since "Delete Master" is only available if the slide master is not in use (Cor) ... but you only see that if you right-click the master. The boolean indication suggestion would make you aware of this about all visible masters at once. But I agree with the low priority. => no objection, low priority * When right-clicking a font family combo-box, offer font meta-data + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152487 + unclear use case and much likely off-topic being available in font management tools (Heiko) I will have to make the use case clearer on the bug page. Again, sorry for not being around to make that case. + info dialog sounds good but rather via special characters or in the character properties dialog (Stuart) + only use case is compatibility with some other font (John) That's an interesting use case, but not what I had in mind. + likely not part of the meta data + the Internet returns all search results (Cor) The point is to help the user select an item on a list, while the list is open - so that the user doesn't have to search for information elsewhere (e.g. the Internet). > => idea does not find support; WF> * Make possible 2 or more impress in fullscreen each on a dedicated monitor AND each seekable independently with user-defined hotkeys per each file + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160242 First of all, I really think this bug report should have been split up into several ones - and the issues were sort of mapped on the bug page: A. run two presentations full-screen at same time (on two monitors) B. Keyboard-navigate in two running full-screen presentation (i.e. different shortcuts) C. Same as B, but arbitrary number of presentations D. Support per-presentation navigation shortcut choices, persisted in the ODP file > + start Impress twice (Stephane) When you start Impress twice you're still left with just the one instance running. I guess you can force a second instance (with a different profile folder perhaps?) but even then, IIANM, Impress is "imperialistic" when in Full-Screen mode. Op claimed this doesn't work right now. workflow is supported with a third monitor (John) 1. Is it? Can you elaborate on the bug page? 2. What about two monitors? > + too niche, better suited for an extension (Stephane, Sahil) I partially disagree, considering the breakdown above: A: Not so niche, in my opinion. Occasionally you want to show slides from different presentations on different monitors - without having combined them into a multi-monitor-targeting presentation (do we even have that?). Happened to me already. B: If Alt-Tab worked (which we can't know, since A is not possible yet), then this would be kind of niche. C, D: That's the niche part. > => WF Disagree! It looks like (some of) the ask changes app behavior rather than enhancing it. The per-file shortcuts sounds like extension material to me though. Suggest breakup instead then INVALID (or MOVED) on this one. I would say A - NEW B - UNCONFIRMED (or LATER?) C, D - WONTFIX -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-24
Present: Cor, Sahil, John, Ring, Heiko Comments: Stephane, Eyal, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Bullets and Numbering dialog in Writer does not say it's about an implicit list style + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160629 + list styles created and applied via toolbar are hard to identify as such in the B dialog + no label substitutes the need to learn how this works; we may drop all shortcuts and ease functions but the cost is too high (Heiko, Cor) => suggest WF * Want indication of whether a master slide is in use or not + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160403 + MSO Powerpoints shows the number of slides in a tooltip (Stephane) + additional boolean indication would be nice (Eyal) + tooltip sounds good and is not harmful (John) + not much useful since "Delete Master" is only available if the slide master is not in use (Cor) => no objection, low priority * When right-clicking a font family combo-box, offer font meta-data + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152487 + unclear use case and much likely off-topic being available in font management tools (Heiko) + info dialog sounds good but rather via special characters or in the character properties dialog (Stuart) + only use case is compatibility with some other font (John) + likely not part of the meta data + the Internet returns all search results (Cor) => idea does not find support; WF * Make possible 2 or more impress in fullscreen each on a dedicated monitor AND each seekable independently with user-defined hotkeys per each file + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160242 + start Impress twice (Stephane), workflow is supported with a third monitor (John) + too niche, better suited for an extension (Stephane, Sahil) => WF -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-May-02 (THU)
Hello everyone, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, May/02, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Rename "Navigation" toolbar to clarify its role, avoid confusion, and relate to "Recency" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160732 * Implement "recency" navigation for Calc module and make available from TB or Sidebar Navigator + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160505 * Column resize handle touch-target too small + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16032 * Offer to download & install missing fonts from online sources + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159950 All topics being on the agenda are collected in this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is tomorrow, Wednesday Apr/24. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00033.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-18
Present: Hossein, Sahil, ring, Heiko Comments: Ady, Brian, Cor, Eyal, Rafael, Jeff, Stephane Tickets/Topics * Calc: default anchor everything to CELL + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160452 + change default needs to have good reasons (Heiko) + add option to define the default is over-engineering (Heiko) + behavior my have changed in the past (Hossein) => resolve WF; suggest to change the topic into "remember last setting" * When opening Advanced filter dialog the "From" field should be filled with the address of current selection + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150937 + reasonable request (Ady) + confusing label "Read Filter Criteria From" (Ady) + more common label is possible, eg. "Select Range" but unlikely to be more clear (Heiko) + prefilling data does not harm (Hossein, Heiko) => go for it * Using clone formatting enables scrolling with the mouse -- but it shouldn't + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99608 + "issue" happens only when moving slowly from top, where moving the cursor on top makes sense + smooth scrolling rather than to jump to a certain position could be a solution (Hossein) => suggest to duplicate with 46988 * Turn on "Range contains column labels" by default + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150027 + different scenarios, requires more intelligent function (Brian) + remember last user choice for this option (Eyal) + controls got moved to the same tab for bug 131155 (Heiko) + option is checked if header-like data is detected (Cor) + apparently only on Windows, on Linux the last settings are remembered + the dialog has always stored the last settings, unclear report (Cor) => keep the smart functionality, resolve invalid * Add timer/clock to single-screen presentation + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160227 + makes sense (Rafael) + unclear why the timer needs to be shown for the audience + presenter console uses own class/control + neither available in Excel, feature would lack compatibility => resolve WF in favor of 3rd party extension/macro * Right-clicking to select an always-shown comment in Calc "clicks through" and selects the cell behind it + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160290 + to hide the object first requires additional clicks (Ady) + it's not necessary to hide the comment, one can move it easily (Sahil) + right click to select is not common interaction (Heiko) + respect the z-order (Jeff, Stephane, Heiko, Hossein) => do as requested -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Apr-17 (THU)
Hi Heiko, For in case I can't join today: Heiko Tietze wrote on 09/04/2024 11:21: * Calc: default anchor everything to CELL + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160452 Not convinced, nor objecting. * When opening Advanced filter dialog the "From" field should be filled with the address of current selection + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150937 Support. * Using clone formatting enables scrolling with the mouse -- but it shouldn't + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99608 Not beautiful in some cases indeed - but how to really improve? * Turn on "Range contains column labels" by default + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150027 I'm not convinced there actually is a problem. Commented. * Add timer/clock to single-screen presentation + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160227 The use case needs clarification. Give that some time? If that doesn't happen: WFM.. * Right-clicking to select an always-shown comment in Calc "clicks through" and selects the cell behind it + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160290 Bit on the fence here. I think for the few cases the described issue happens, and given the easy way to get where one wants, a -1 from me. Enjoy, cheers, Cor -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger https://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer https://www.libreoffice.org - Member Board The Document Foundation - bizdev @CollaboraOffice - ceo www.nouenoff.nl - initiator www.mijncloudoffice.nl -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-04
Present: Felix, Cor, Hossein, Rafael, Heiko Comments: Mike, Regina, Bogdan, Timur, Cor, Stephane Tickets/Topics * "Page number" automatic field stops counting before last page if offset >0 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35694 + help is clear on the function (Regina) + just a wording issue but rather introduce another field "page reference", which would have the offset attribute (Mike, Regina) + comment 70 and 78 are wisdom; missing a good proposal (Cor) + compatibility is prime (Hossein) + neither prev/next nor offset are stored with docx + MSO offsets per field code like "{={PAGE}-10} of {={NUMPAGES}*20}" showing "-9 of 80" (not stored as a field on saving as ODT) + offset for pagee count is via set variable > page + x (Heiko) => comment on ticket * Replies to comment are in reverse order + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160350 + chat-like order D, C, B, A (latest on top) vs. book style A, B, C, D (latest at bottom) (Bogdan) + latest on top makes sense (Heiko) + current implementation shows comments on the place where they are made, i.e. below the comment where one chooses: reply, which makes sense to me (Cor) + all other applications do it book-like (Timur, Bogdan, Felix) => do it (consider an expert option) * Add toolbar icons to change UI and scheme to switch Light/Dark + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160349 + useful for tester and user (Rafael) + switching only tools > application colors via the new control (Rafael) + fixes fallout from bug 160445 + strongly against adding rarely used functions to the primary UI, options would also be hard-coded and not easy to remove later (Heiko) + MS has a "Switch Modes" option in the View ribbon (Hossein, Felix) => majority are for the option * Pressing Tab with partially selected numbered paragraphs deletes content instead of changing level + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160317 + agree on the expectation (Stephane, Felix) + inconsistent with inserting a literal tab (Heiko) + compatibility is prime (Hossein) + tab overwrites in MSO; but tab on the first list item indents the whole list anyway (only second increases the level we do) + literal tab is inserted on any position >0, ie. inside the text + otherwise the level for the whole selection is increased + always indent for selection over multiple paragraphs (Rafael, Felix) + current behavior depends on selection mode, ie. adding selection inserts at the beginning while extend does on the end (Heiko) => majority agrees with the request -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] No meeting on 2024-Apr-10 (WED)
Hello all, cancelling the design/UX meeting *next week*. The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Apr/04. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00028.html MIND THE DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME! Meeting starts at 12pm UTC / noon. Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-27
Present: Sahil, Antonio, Cor, Bogdan, John, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Stephane, Stuart, Timur Tickets/Topics * A11Y sidebar: Too many issue reports about direct character formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159906 + group by paragraph (+ 0.5 Stephane) + maybe list per paragraph under one root node (Heiko, Antonio) + offer an action button (+1 Stephane, Heiko, -1 Stuart) + action is not necessarily to remove DF; could also be "Dismiss" (Cor) + could be a more complex UI with more interactions, filters, batch operations etc. (Sahil, Antonio) + could be done in a later patch (Cor) => let's go with the extra tree node per paragraph and maybe page too and no action button for now * Add all 3 Spotlight commands (PS, CS, DF) to Style Inspector + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160194 + maybe per icon-only toggle button (Stephane) + agree with the proposal as it matches the workflow (Stuart) + clutters the UI and is not in scope of the workflow (Heiko) + it's not uncommon to have those buttons in the UIs (Cor, John) + neither a big improvement nor a huge impact on UX (John) + customization is sufficient (Antonio) => let's do it * Use "Delete unused master slides" independently from "Minimize Presentation" tool + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159860 + warn in case of an excessive number of master slides + rather fix bug 158773 than alert user on some high number (Heiko) + MSO is loading quickly but still warns (Timur) + warning could offer to delete unused master slides (Antonio) + warning should happen on load; covers also issues with import from other applications (Antonio) + realize per infobar to not block the workflow (user may click away the confirmation box), OTOH depending on severity it should interrupt + label could be "You have an unreasonable number of unused slide master. [Clean Up] [x]" (Heiko) + hesitate to delete a lot of content with just a click, so - suggest a confirmation dialog when pressing cleanup (Eyal) + add a button "Inspect" to the infobar (Cor) + strongly disagree with different actions on the infobar (Heiko) + add Help button to educate the user (Antonio) => do so * MRU Recent files list entries numbered, no need to be + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160230 + number seems to be useless (Bogdan) + actual date/time like MSO makes more sense (John) + handy for a11y resp. keyboard only access (Stuart,Antonio) + Alt+F + U + 1 opens the latest pinned item, for example + numbers above 10 take the first character from the filename + number indicates the recency (Eyal) + mnemonics inside the filename are hard to spot (Cor) + alternatively we could go with alphanumeric characters A..Z (Sahil) + this would require using different alphabeta in different localized UIs (Eyal) => no good argument to remove the numbers -> WF -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Apr-04 (THU)
+ MIND THE DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME + Hello everyone, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Apr/04, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * "Page number" automatic field stops counting before last page if offset >0 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35694 + potentially misleading label * Replies to comment are in reverse order + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160350 * Add toolbar icons to change UI and scheme to switch Light/Dark + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160349 * Pressing Tab with partially selected numbered paragraphs deletes content instead of changing level + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160317 All topics being on the agenda are collected in this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is tomorrow, Mar/27. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00026.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-21
Present: Sahil, Andres, Rhesa, Heiko Comments: Miguel, Ady, Eyal, Cor, Csongor, Eike, Laszlo Tickets/Topics * Hidden columns should not prevent text from preceding columns from overflowing over their cells + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160011 + potentially breaks current workflow (Miguel) + could be done as (compatibility) flag (Ady) + afraid of performance issues (Ady) + support the request (Eyal, Cor, Sahil) + make it the default, and revert optionally (Sahil) + might be not so easy to find as compatibility flag but clutters the lengthy list of options under view on the other hand (Heiko) => do it * FORMATTING create a means to represent an integer as an IP Address + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148184 + implement per function (Csongor) + solutions are spread over the Internet, https://superuser.com/questions/1764387/how-do-i-convert-an-ip-address-to-binary-representation-in-excel + https://www.browserling.com/tools/ip-to-dec + already have some number formatting types and another one would fit well (Eyal) + not simply one for all option considering IPv4/v6 (Heiko) + has a solution, if needed we should invest in the user-defined formatting (Sahil, Heiko) => resolve WF * AutoCorrect: Many symbol replacements should be defined for [All], not language-by-language, and work in [None] + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153979 + extras/source/autocorr/*/DocumentList.xml entirely controlled by the local community (Heiko) + [None] means _no language tool processing at all_, [All] should be processed in all languages except [None] (Eike) + [All] would be useful, but only for a dozen of the replacements, but by moving we can lose educating the users (Laszlo) + adding a button to show only the items added by the user optionally (Laszlo) + adding some replacement to the [ALL] category makes it effective for paragraphs with language = None but not en_US, for example; apparently it's working for empty lists but not if the lang list has some content + if [All] items would be effective, users wont see those in their language depending list (Heiko) + if [All] has the same content as the actual language list it's unclear which one is used (eg. [All] --> = -> vs. [Hebrew] --> = <-) (Sahil) => remove [All] from the dropdown menu (at this tab), and make [None] none (Heiko) * personal / custom dictionaries should be easily portable + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157981 + allow a dictionary to be saved as /.dic (Cor) + placing a dictionary (*.dic/aff) in some folder which is added via options > path to the dictionary locations does not make it available as writing aid; apparently it needs some registration + export/import could be a nice task for a macro (Heiko) + it's a generic use case for the majority of users and adding this to the core makes sense (Sahil) + if so, we could add export/import buttons to the options dialog (Heiko) => comment -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Mar-27 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Mar/27, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * A11Y sidebar: Too many issue reports about direct character formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159906 * Add all 3 Spotlight commands (PS, CS, DF) to Style Inspector + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160194 * Use "Delete unused master slides" independently from "Minimize Presentation" tool + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159860 + warn in case of an excessive number of master slides * MRU Recent files list entries numbered, no need to be + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160230 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Mar/21. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00024.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-13
Present: Sahil, Rafel, (John), Nameless, Heiko Comments: Bob, Cor, Mike, Eyal Tickets/Topics * Cannot resize graphical objects that overlap header/footer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159543 + change drag handles (Bob, Cor) + UI should give proper feedback (Sahil) + could be done by disabling the vertical and diagonal resize capability (which hides the size cursor then) + people may complain handles disappear; suggest NAB/WF (Rafael) + rather than hiding the handles we should block resizing before drag happens so the lower edge remains at the bottom (Rafael) + looks like a bug to me; suggest to show an infobar when the mouse is released but resize not accepted (Sahil) + infobar is disruptive here (Rafael) + change the drag frame color if the new size is not accepted/possible (Rafael) => do this * Changing Macro Security level should warn about the need to reload the file to apply the settings + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159985 + Reload in the background for all documents is not possible since changes may have been made (Mike) + show infobar requesting the user to reload (Eyal) + show a label in the macros security option dialog (Rafael, Sahil) + could also be the restart now confirmation box (Heiko) => majority votes for the label * close all (documents / windows) Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159380 + add new command but just for customization (Eyal, Rafael) + quit and restart (Cor) + close documents from all modules (Heiko) + alternatively show the start center while modules are open + closing all documents becomes more important if we have a tabbed UI (Sahil) => comment * Add max shrink and space width customization options to upcoming smart justification feature + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159923 + as a compatibility feature any customization would deviate from DOCX (Heiko, Rafael, Nameless) + control on the paragraph level makes sense (Mike) + over-engineering is seldom good usability; no use case and no user request (yet) (Heiko) => resolve WF -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Digression from [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-07
sirs, Sorry for disturbing this august assembly. I repeat my resultless calling for concentration on overall function without crashing, rather than on small improvements to appearance and efficiency of use. -- In my case i have listed aimilar "hangs" on the bug report site and received helpful but ineffective advice ad fixing the user profile (Which is empty, and even emptier after having cleaned out all preexisting choices and trying once more) I made a few very brief test documents today rather than risking my work texts (choosing the Times new roman type i always use. but only typing "text nr.xx and xxx in the content ) libre office crashed when saving, even though all other progams on the machine (exept the usual windows junk) was turned off. Below is what the operating system had to say: "soffice.bin 7.6.5.2 22b4 01da716c7d500190 24 C:\Program Files\LibreOffice\program\soffice.bin 41d25edb-3128-4b92-b9b6-991947c70f40 Unknown 55006E006B006E006F0077006E00 " And when using the restore text option the program hung once moreuntil i killed it. - I do not expect any replies from this group, but please do create a "life vest"- rescue button mode: which will enable users to copy existing text while waiting to shut it down or for|he program hang to resolve itself (assuming that stability cannot be reached ) In the meantime for my book manuscripts i must use Apaches open office which is stable. yours paul hofseth Den 07-03-2024 15:39, skrev Heiko Tietze: Present: Cor, Sahil, Felix, Rafael, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Stephane, Ady, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Auto-size the "Search Results" dialog (after a find & replace across multiple sheets) to avoid scrolling + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157207 + use ellipsis too (Stephane) + emphasizing the text that is explicitly being searched (Ady) + bug 157227 + agree with the request to use more of the display (Stuart) + wrapping might be another idea (Rafael) + rather not because makes reading more difficult (Sahil) + ellipsis at start and end to bring the search term into the view (Felix) + simple solution covers most cases (and can be done as easyhack) (Cor) + ellipsis hinders reading the text, eg. if the search term is near end (Cor) + dialog is good as it, width should be adjusted carefully (Hossein) + With various scaling factors (2x, 3x, etc.) and different DPIs (HiDPI) these days, the issue of too big / too small dialogs and the need to add scrolling can also be seen elsewhere (Hossein) => resize the dialog if the content takes more space but only up to a reasonable width * CALC UI: Menu item "View headers" in menu "View" named wrong + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159738 + changed because of the Notebookbar a) have a dedicated NotebookbarLabel b) change back and accept the longer label + or hide the View Header command in the NB variant c) change the UI label to "View Headers" d) accept the situation, ie. NAB/WF + a) sounds good but c) could be a quick solution here (Rafael) + probably with some tooltip (Heiko) + a) is okay but prefer d) rather than c) (Cor) + nitpicking anyway; tooltip is good (Rafael) + icon on the command would be nice (Felix) => add a tooltip "Toggle row/column header on/off" to command and the tools > options dialog * UI: A button to expand the animation picker dialog to dedicated dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145038 + icons may help, even in the current form, in sidebar (Hossein) + icon view like at the transition deck sounds good (Rafael) + dedicated dialog needed for notebookbar-only variants (Sahil) + on the long run we should add some styles-like widget for animations as known from MSO (Hossein) => comment * Reworking of dialogues Organize macros (make from 5 existing only one) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120658 + Issue is worse than that considering Python, and APSO (Hossein) + Most things (editing, etc.) are not usable for Python, even with 5 dialogs (Hossein) + Every change should have in mind that it is about macro programming in general, and not only BASIC scripting (Hossein) + unified dialogs are not always easier to use (Cor) + suggested proposal is difficult to implement and suspect a lot of side effects (Rafael) + APSO is the way to go for Python at least (Rafael, Hossein) => comment -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy:
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-07
Present: Cor, Sahil, Felix, Rafael, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Stephane, Ady, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Auto-size the "Search Results" dialog (after a find & replace across multiple sheets) to avoid scrolling + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157207 + use ellipsis too (Stephane) + emphasizing the text that is explicitly being searched (Ady) + bug 157227 + agree with the request to use more of the display (Stuart) + wrapping might be another idea (Rafael) + rather not because makes reading more difficult (Sahil) + ellipsis at start and end to bring the search term into the view (Felix) + simple solution covers most cases (and can be done as easyhack) (Cor) + ellipsis hinders reading the text, eg. if the search term is near end (Cor) + dialog is good as it, width should be adjusted carefully (Hossein) + With various scaling factors (2x, 3x, etc.) and different DPIs (HiDPI) these days, the issue of too big / too small dialogs and the need to add scrolling can also be seen elsewhere (Hossein) => resize the dialog if the content takes more space but only up to a reasonable width * CALC UI: Menu item "View headers" in menu "View" named wrong + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159738 + changed because of the Notebookbar a) have a dedicated NotebookbarLabel b) change back and accept the longer label + or hide the View Header command in the NB variant c) change the UI label to "View Headers" d) accept the situation, ie. NAB/WF + a) sounds good but c) could be a quick solution here (Rafael) + probably with some tooltip (Heiko) + a) is okay but prefer d) rather than c) (Cor) + nitpicking anyway; tooltip is good (Rafael) + icon on the command would be nice (Felix) => add a tooltip "Toggle row/column header on/off" to command and the tools > options dialog * UI: A button to expand the animation picker dialog to dedicated dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145038 + icons may help, even in the current form, in sidebar (Hossein) + icon view like at the transition deck sounds good (Rafael) + dedicated dialog needed for notebookbar-only variants (Sahil) + on the long run we should add some styles-like widget for animations as known from MSO (Hossein) => comment * Reworking of dialogues Organize macros (make from 5 existing only one) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120658 + Issue is worse than that considering Python, and APSO (Hossein) + Most things (editing, etc.) are not usable for Python, even with 5 dialogs (Hossein) + Every change should have in mind that it is about macro programming in general, and not only BASIC scripting (Hossein) + unified dialogs are not always easier to use (Cor) + suggested proposal is difficult to implement and suspect a lot of side effects (Rafael) + APSO is the way to go for Python at least (Rafael, Hossein) => comment -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Mar-13 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Mar/13, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Cannot resize graphical objects that overlap header/footer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159543 * Changing Macro Security level should warn about the need to reload the file to apply the settings + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159985 * close all (documents / windows) Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159380 * Add max shrink and space width customization options to upcoming smart justification feature + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159923 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Mar/07. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00019.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-28
Present: Sahil, John, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Ady, Mike, Rainer, Timur, Stuart, Tomaz Tickets/Topics * Lowercase "a" and uppercase "A" wrongly shows as one "a" in Autofilter dropdown + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159737 + AutoFilter follows the setting in the Standard Filter (Ady) + a) WF/NAB, b) description, c) configuration (Mike) + not so clear whether case-sensitivity works (Rainer) + would expect case-sensitivity (John) + users might be not aware of uppercase character/word if we hide it; rather let the user uncheck (Heiko) + all options better go to the full filter dialog (Sahil) + Excel shows items case-sensitive (John) + make it independent from standard filter option (Heiko) => comment * UI: Cell protection dialog reference menu that don't exist + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159748 + remove this part from the string (Heiko, Timur) + menu does exists; against changing the string (Ady, Stuart) + point to the help page (Tomaz) + against this hint to "use the help content" (Ady) + link to the appropriate help pages is reasonable (Stuart) + idea was probably to have a hyperlink in the string + alternatively change the label depending on the UI mode, or amend the existing text with the Notebookbar solution (Eyal) + sheet/cell protection is not for beginners and we can expect users to learn the function (Sahil) => preferably use a more generic description * Manage changes dialog should allow action on all filtered changes + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115515 + WFM/INV, at least from the sidebar (Heiko) => resolve ticket * Consistent polygon tool behavior in Draw + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131758 + (1) how to finish the input: easy to miss and hard to undo (Eyal) + perhaps have some interaction to undo the last point + edit points allow to remove unwanted + (2) finishing methods: MSO ends polygon as well per double-click but also on escape + (3) close a polyline: by ctrl+click? in any case up to documentation + (4) how to enter PolyPoly-mode: same answer as above + (5) Is it really intended... obviously no user has joined the discussion + users tend to accept shortcomings and we might do better (Eyal) + would rather think of a list that takes all points and allows to edit independently from the interaction method (Heiko) + giving a hint on the interaction at the command label? not so good (John) + any change needs to be a convincing improvement (Eyal) + Inkscape behavior is similar to our workflow => comment -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Mar-07 (THU)
Hello everyone, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Mar/07, 14:00 CET resp. 1pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Auto-size the "Search Results" dialog (after a find & replace across multiple sheets) to avoid scrolling + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157207 * CALC UI: Menu item "View headers" in menu "View" named wrong + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159738 * UI: A button to expand the animation picker dialog to dedicated dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145038 * Reworking of dialogues Organize macros (make from 5 existing only one) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120658 All topics being on the agenda are collected in this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is tomorrow, Feb/28. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00016.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-22
On 22/02/2024 16:46, Heiko Tietze wrote: * Simplified options dialogs You seem to have ignored the basic problem with how this bug has been handled, which I pointed out in comment: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90989#c9 + name, icons, interface, colors, ui lang, locale, and recovery should be sufficient (Heiko) Sufficient for what? I don't know, that sounds fishy. + RTL/CTL/CJK is important (Hossein) but should follow the locale (Heiko), Nope, shouldn't follow the locale. And that's because: 1. Very often, RTL/CTL-focused language users use computers with a non-RTL/CTL locale - either on their own computers or others' computers. 2. People may be reading, or even writing, RTL/CTL content despite that not being their locale-relevant language (e.g. immigrants and the language of their country of origin). and if a more complex setup is needed the advanced mode is a click away I am wary that relegating settings to "advanced mode" is a way of avoiding the problem of dialog simplicity rather than actually tackling it. That's generally. For RTL/CTL specifically, I _know_ that this is the case - because all of those RTL/CTL(/CJK) users will need the "advanced" mode even when they don't want to "advanced" thing. + could be done conditionally depending on locale setting (Sahil) Again, not good enough. + more tabs might be required in future (Hossein); possibly easier to use than a scrolling window (Sahil) Let's start by separating out the app-wide & module-wide settings from the document-specific settings. And then, we should probably separate out the default-template-ish settings out of there too, like default fonts and stuff. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-22
Present: Sahil, Hossein, Heiko Tickets/Topics * STATUSBAR: Making the statusbar configurable in Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92406 + tools > customize sounds like over-engineering, we should rather do something like toolbar > visible button on/off (Heiko) + would be cool to have the priority available, perhaps more fine-grained (Sahil) + statusbar should be available for extensions (Sahil) + if it is possible to add commands to the statusbar such enhancement (if not possible out of the box) would be granted (Heiko) => comment * Simplified options dialogs + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90989 + name, icons, interface, colors, ui lang, locale, and recovery should be sufficient (Heiko) + RTL/CTL/CJK is important (Hossein) but should follow the locale (Heiko), and if a more complex setup is needed the advanced mode is a click away + could be done conditionally depending on locale setting (Sahil) + more tabs might be required in future (Hossein); possibly easier to use than a scrolling window (Sahil) + as long the options fit on one page, which should be the goal for a simple dialog, no need to discuss this (Heiko) => waiting for volunteers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Feb-28 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Feb/28, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Lowercase "a" and uppercase "A" wrongly shows as one "a" in Autofilter dropdown + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159737 * UI: Cell protection dialog reference menu that don't exist + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159748 * Manage changes dialog should allow action on all filtered changes + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115515 * Consistent polygon tool behavior in Draw + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131758 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Feb/22. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00014.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-14
Present: Sahil, Rafael, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Jean-Francois, Eyal, Stephané, Ady Tickets/Topics * Freeze Zoom as a global LibreOffice preference + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159156 + assigning +0 to .uno:Zoom100Percent as fixed shortcut (Stuart) + though must not touch Ctrl+0 in Writer (Jean-Francois) + ignore zoom-in/-out via keyboard or lock zoom (Eyal) + could be an option "[ ] No zoom per touch pad" (Rafael) => add the option (perhaps macOS only) * Comment commands in Calc's menus need to be rearranged + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158653 + split of comment-related commands is not ideal (Stephané) + yet done intentionally for bug 91820 + not convinced that changing the menus is the best path forward, it's basically grouping by action vs object (Ady) + other applications go with action-focused menus too (Hossein) + no better place for comments than under Sheet (Heiko) + when coming from the Notebookbar it feels wrong (Rafael) => resolve NAB/WF * Dialog Properties bigger then screen + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159409 + not confirmed, dialog is ~637px in height on win (Stuart) + but there is a duplicate report; and report is from gtk3 + reduce the number of lines for the comments textbox (Hossein) + turning the wall of inputs into two columns (Rafael) + has the challenge to cover long labels (Heiko) + long term solution: add some mechanism to VCL/weld that restricts oversized dialogs and automatically adds scrolling (Hossein) => do it * Page direction not the same as sheet direction + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158601 + recent bug reports have proven that users do not agree (Ady) + if the request is to bind the UI-only setting Sheet > RTL to Page Style > Text Direction (the superordinate setting of the text direction in cells) the recommendation is to rather not do + Excel knows a "context" option for the cell direction meaning if the entered text is RTL the cell becomes RTL (Hossein) + The context option will handle the use case automatically, and also handles the situation with bilingual cells (Hossein) + problem accepted, solution rejected = WF -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Feb-22 (THU)
Hello everyone, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Feb/22, 14:00 CET resp. 1pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Making the statusbar configurable in Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92406 + define requirements, scribble mockup * Simplified options dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90989 + scribble mockup All topics being on the agenda are collected in this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is today, Feb/14. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00013.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Feb-14 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Feb/14, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Freeze Zoom as a global LibreOffice preference + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159156 + assign a default shortcut to 100% zoom? * Comment commands in Calc's menus need to be rearranged + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158653 * Page direction not the same as sheet direction + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158601 * Dialog Properties bigger then screen + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159409 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 There will be no meeting *this week*. Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Join us at the first „FOSS Backstage Design“
Will sessions be recorded? Or even live-streamed? Eyal On 01/02/2024 18:32, Alexander Brateanu wrote: Dear LibreOffice design-team, we would be thrilled to welcome participants from LibreOffice design at our new event *FOSS Backstage Design* where we want to take a deep dive into UX Design in free and open source software. The one day event takes place on March 6th, the day after FOSS Backstage, in Berlin at the Wikimedia Germany office. _The program_ **The single track event features 13 sessions from 16 international speakers who will be presenting on topics such as: *design methods*, *user research*, how to incorporate *Design*into *product development*, writing good *documentation*, testing and measuring *usability*and even how to *design for XR*leveraging the power of OSS tools. We will kick off the event with a keynote by Aparna Sundar <https://program.foss-backstage.de/ux24/speaker/ZLPA38/> in which she will share her experience on how to increase the human element in open source software. Aparna willdiscuss the ways in which software engineers or developers, designers, community and product managers can adopt and incorporate research practices in software design. In addition to our amazing line-up of speakers and sessions there will be plenty of *space and opportunity to exchange ideas*, discuss challenges and meet other *people who care deeply about designing*for *great user experience* Checkout the full program on our website <https://24.foss-backstage.de/foss-backstage-design/#schedule> and read what our design experts *Eriol Fox*and *Scott Jenson*have to say about why we <https://24.foss-backstage.de/foss-backstage-design/#experts>should elevate design in FOSS <https://24.foss-backstage.de/foss-backstage-design/#experts>. _FOSS Backstage D_*_esign Tickets_*** ** **Tickets for #fossdesign are now available <https://24.foss-backstage.de/foss-backstage-design/#tickets>. *A Standard Ticket is 25€*but we also offer Reduced Tickets as well as Supporter Tickets. In case you also want to join the main conference on March 4-5 at bUm, you can *add a discounted FOSS Backstage Design Ticket to your FOSS Backstage ticket*order. We hope to welcome attendees from LibreOffice design at FOSS Backstage Design! best regards, The FOSS Backstage Design orga team – Anne, Sven, Paul & Alex PS: #fossback and #fossdesign wouldn’t be possible without the support of our partners. Learn more about sponsoring opportunities for both eventshere <https://24.foss-backstage.de/become-a-partner/> — We are also always happy to discuss options that are tailor made for your needs and budget! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Join us at the first „FOSS Backstage Design“
Dear LibreOffice design-team, we would be thrilled to welcome participants from LibreOffice design at our new event *FOSS Backstage Design* where we want to take a deep dive into UX Design in free and open source software. The one day event takes place on March 6th, the day after FOSS Backstage, in Berlin at the Wikimedia Germany office. _The program_ **The single track event features 13 sessions from 16 international speakers who will be presenting on topics such as: *design methods*, *user research*, how to incorporate *Design*into *product development*, writing good *documentation*, testing and measuring *usability*and even how to *design for XR*leveraging the power of OSS tools. We will kick off the event with a keynote by Aparna Sundar <https://program.foss-backstage.de/ux24/speaker/ZLPA38/> in which she will share her experience on how to increase the human element in open source software. Aparna willdiscuss the ways in which software engineers or developers, designers, community and product managers can adopt and incorporate research practices in software design. In addition to our amazing line-up of speakers and sessions there will be plenty of *space and opportunity to exchange ideas*, discuss challenges and meet other *people who care deeply about designing*for *great user experience* Checkout the full program on our website <https://24.foss-backstage.de/foss-backstage-design/#schedule> and read what our design experts *Eriol Fox*and *Scott Jenson*have to say about why we <https://24.foss-backstage.de/foss-backstage-design/#experts>should elevate design in FOSS <https://24.foss-backstage.de/foss-backstage-design/#experts>. _FOSS Backstage D_*_esign Tickets_*** ** **Tickets for #fossdesign are now available <https://24.foss-backstage.de/foss-backstage-design/#tickets>. *A Standard Ticket is 25€*but we also offer Reduced Tickets as well as Supporter Tickets. In case you also want to join the main conference on March 4-5 at bUm, you can *add a discounted FOSS Backstage Design Ticket to your FOSS Backstage ticket*order. We hope to welcome attendees from LibreOffice design at FOSS Backstage Design! best regards, The FOSS Backstage Design orga team – Anne, Sven, Paul & Alex PS: #fossback and #fossdesign wouldn’t be possible without the support of our partners. Learn more about sponsoring opportunities for both eventshere <https://24.foss-backstage.de/become-a-partner/> — We are also always happy to discuss options that are tailor made for your needs and budget! -- Alexander Brateanu (er/ihm; he/him) working days: Monday-Thursday Plain Schwarz UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Schönhauser Allee 6-7 10119 Berlin Geschäftsführer: Andreas Gebhard Handelsregister (HRB): 205726 B Amtsgericht Charlottenburg -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jan-31
Present: Sahil, JJ, John, Eyal, Rafael, Heiko Comments: Jan, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Autocorrect options are very confusing and difficult to use + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158876 + renaming some options might be beneficial (Jan) + Separate the list into two lists, textual replacements/corrections, and formatting/structural element (Eyal) + everything is formatting and replacement (Heiko) + splitting should support the perception (Eyal) + Change phrasing, eg "Replace dashes" could become "Replace dash sequence with En-Dash or Em-Dash" (Eyal) + sure but the function is more complex and requires the documentation + distinction would be artificial and orthogonal to the M/T option; rather than renaming we could add tooltips (Heiko) + tooltips could be a help (Heiko) + sounds good (Eyal) + requires coding though => comment and recommend to not change the list => renaming is good; AI Eyal: provide a complete list of better labels * Non-corrective Autoformat settings can't just be placed under AutoCorrect + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158877 + unclear request (John, Heiko) + formatting such as *bold* or apply styles is not really a correction (Eyal) + no good alternative, maybe "auto correction/formatting" + wonder if changing the semantics improve usability (John) + camel case label is bad; but familiar to users (Heiko) + no apparent issue; all auto-corrections are also formatting too (Heiko) => resolve NAB without better alternative * Use Noto family fonts as default fonts for all the LibreOffice tools + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159261 + Noto Sans is being used for Impress templates (Stuart) + smalls like personal preference; against Google fonts in principle (Eyal) + rather add metric compatible fonts for latest MSO (John) + to open legacy document with the same layout after years is our self-identity; which is not the discussion here since we would change the fonts for new documents (Heiko) + Liberation fonts is our trademark; and it's easy to change; not worth the effort (Rafael) + a lot of effort to make the QA tests happy (Heiko) + such a change should have much more backup (Eyal) => WF * provide easy UI to automatically apply digital signature when storing documents + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159040 + checkbox "[ ] Sign document" at the Save/As dialog; clumsy solution but maybe easy to use (Heiko) + similar workflow but signing comes before saving (Eyal) + alternative is to have a default signature defined in tools > options > security and just the option to apply or not; needs some interaction to change the default, maybe via the current workflow (Eyal) => comment * It would be nice to have an exclude file type option from Recent Files + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159277 + exclude per module using a string like "csv;xml;tab" (similar solution available in IDEs, for example) + MRU is a simple and established paradigm; WF (Jan) + very specific workflow (Eyal) + use CSV a lot and want to see it (Rafael) + solve per extension that clears the MRU list on startup (Heiko) + better keep the ticket, maybe as easyhack, with low priority (Eyal, Rafael) => go for it -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jan-25
Present: Sahil, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Mike, Ady, Rafael Tickets/Topics * Remove status bar 'document modified' indicator + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159073 + status not shown in title for new documents (Eyal) + title does not show the status (anymore?) but the save icon + redundant information is not bad per se, the toolbar button is primarily meant to run an action but not to give feedback (users may not expect it there) + with the Notebookbar UI it's not guaranteed to see the toolbar info + and the statusbar icon looks pretty nice => WF * Comment indicator in Calc should be red, not magenta + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159096 + border uses now the grid line color (Heiko) + red would be a bad choice as it typically indicates errors (Mike) + yellow and red might be used for cell background (Ady) + orange (Rafael) + invert the cell background color (Ryal) + looses the customizability and becomes difficult on mid-bright colors + do it just when the picked color is close to the cell background + algorithm is tricky, and variable colors make the display busy + Magenta (a bit less glossy) is used on Excel + Light Magenta 3 is a bit too close with "Bad" cell style, Light Magenta 2 is fine (Eyal, Sahil) + works also well in dark mode => change the color * Double click on a comment in Navigator should open the cell for editing + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158707 + in 7.4 double click goes to cell + in 7.6 single click selects, double executes the default action- in this case go-to plus editing the comment + a) edit comment, cursor at the end?, b) edit cell, cursor at the end?, c) just go-to and toggle the comment visibility, d) just go-to cell + in most cases the comment text should be readable in the Navigator and double-click is likely intended to edit the comment (all) + expect double-click to toggle show/hide; directly going into edit mode feels dangerous but just showing makes editing difficult (ctrl+alt+c) and my muscle memory is F2 to edit; so ideally we select the comment frame in order to use F2 (all) + single click does not change the view but shows this comment temporarily (until clicking somewhere else), double-click navigates to the cell, make the comment permanently visible, and double-click again hides it; when showing the comment per double-click also selects the comment for easy accessed to edit (Eyal) + double-click surely should not edit the cell content (Eyal) + comments disappear unreliably (Sahil) + having comments in a dedicated sidebar allows more flexible solutions (Sahil) => comment in ticket * When search key is not found, search text seems to be selected but is not + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158742 + behavior has changed but still no selection is being made + changing the search term partially is more likely, ie. selection in order to overwrite completely is not intended (Heiko) + ctrl+f selects the search text in any case (Heiko) + clearly NAB/WF (Eyal) => resolve ticket -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Jan-31 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Jan/31, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Autocorrect options are very confusing and difficult to use + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158876 * Non-corrective Autoformat settings can't just be placed under AutoCorrect + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158877 * Use Noto family fonts as default fonts for all the LibreOffice tools + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159261 * provide easy UI to automatically apply digital signature when storing documents + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159040 * It would be nice to have an exclude file type option from Recent Files + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159277 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Jan/25. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg6.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Jan-25 (THU)
Happy New Year everyone, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Jan/25, 14:00 CET resp. 1pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Remove status bar 'document modified' indicator + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159073 * Comment indicator in Calc should be red, not magenta + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159096 * Double click on a comment in Navigator should open the cell for editing + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158707 * When search key is not found, search text seems to be selected but is not + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158742 All topics being on the agenda are collected in this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is tomorrow, Jan/17. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg1.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Contribute to libre office design and test
Hi Helmut, you reached out to the design mailing list focusing on visual improvements and questions regarding user experience. So not really suited to the "rant". So my first recommendation is to use https://ask.libreoffice.org/ (there is a German channel too) to find a solution. You could ask "How to embed images with relative links? My workflow is... I do... and fail at... What can I do to solve it?" The next step would be to file a bug report under https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/. If you search our Bugtracker you will find many tickets, eg. [1,2] - and explanations why things are difficult. Don't remember what exactly causes trouble with relative links, but IIRC it wasn't removed and should work. Daily developer versions can be found here [3]. It runs flawless in parallel (on Linux I just extract the content of RPMs somewhere else but /lib64/libreoffice/), although it uses the same user configuration. Portable versions can be found here [4]. We also have a German user mailing list [5]. All the best for you, Heiko [1] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111957 "Change the way to define relative vs absolute URLs" [2] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128216 "UI: Relative paths should be displayed as relative" [3] https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ [4] https://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable-versions/ [5] https://de.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ On 09.01.24 17:45, 9...@vishia.de wrote: html,body{background-color:#fff;color:#333;... Mailing lists do not accept HTML messages. -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jan-11
Present: Sahil, Hossein, Rafael, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Cor, Stephané, Miklos, Cor, Ady, Stephane Tickets/Topics * Implement a simple calculation of values to input size and position of draw objects + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158685 + eg. "3+3,2" => "6,2" + Kind of a stretch for *needing* to do the simple calculations (Stuart) + could be useful for more complex stuff like "pi()/4 * 1.2345" or "sqr(sin(2)/cos(3)); similar to bug 72662 about the unit conversion (Heiko) + doubt if it is wise to start walking this path (Cor) + sounds useful (Sahil) + slash might be used as a number separator in some locales and one cannot be sure it is a divider (Hossein) + many tools provide the functionality anyway (eg. KRunner on Linux/KDE but also the search bar on Windows start a calculator) (Hossein) + very simple calculation wouldn't be enough anyway (Hossein) => WF * Move rows with protected cells does not give warning + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158682 + agree that a message is needed (Stephané), but depending on the case + "Source contents not removed because cells are protected." + "Contents were copied but not removed because cells are protected" + "Protected cells can not be modified." (the stock message) + dragging of protected cells is not possible anyway + message box interrupts the workflow and we could also just block the drag feedback + however, paste is not available via menu/toolbar and the keyboard allows to quickly confirm (Heiko) + Agree, a similar message is useful (Hossein) + one message should be fine (Hossein) + "Protected cells cannot be dragged" + stock message is fine (Hossein) + don't change the cursor if DnD is not possible (Sahil) + could also be a blocking cursor symbol (Hossein) => show the stock message and consider the drag cursor * Original size button in image properties -> position and size tab doesn't restore original size for paper size exceeding images in Writer (and breaks image ratio) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158545 + rename to "Reset dimensions" (Telesto) + Word uses just "Reset" + Reason for restricting object size to page size is consistency; Writer defaults to capturing drawing objects inside the page frame (Miklos) + MSO365 allows scaling beyond the page and cuts off the extra part + seldom need for sizing beyond the page (Cor) + sizing the image beyond the page is desirable (Rafael, Hossein) + Word allows this but not to move the image out of the page + simply "Reset" and a tooltip with "Resets width and height to the original size, unless limited by the page size) + show original size as static text like in the compress dialog before the Reset button to make the function more clear (Hossein) + also keep the ratio in all cases => rename, add static size info, and fix the ratio bug * Better design for the Keep Ratio setting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158531 + not much benefit (Heiko) + go with a small button like in the sidebar (Rafael) + would be a toolbutton taking a lot of vertical space and + we cannot draw the connector arrows (Heiko) + what was the inspiration (Hossein) + GIMP has these buttons, for example + consistency is prime and we use typically checkboxes (Sahil) => go ahead (+2/0/-1); easy to revert * Comemnt marker makes it difficult to see the data in a cell + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158958 + UNO command to toggle indicator on/off quickly (Stuart) + against a user-defined symbol, to revert the patch, and some default margin to make space for the symbol (Heiko) + open to UNO command to toggle the indicator on/off, a less obtrusive default color, different position for the indicator (Heiko) + suggest to add an expert options to control the dynamic size and another to disable the dynamic size (Heiko, Rafael) + use a different default color (Rafael) + is being discussed on bug 159096; maybe orange (Rafael) + make the default a bit smaller (Rafael, Heiko) + ideally do the best per code without option but if needed make it as simple as possible; option is good for now (Hossein) + good default make configuration unnecessary (at least the UI), use grid color and move the indicator to the edge (Rafael) + propose an expert value and use <=0 for dynamic size and everything else as static value (Heiko) + change is needed (Ady), expert option sounds good (Cor, Stephane) => go with the expert options -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:
Re: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Jan-11 (THU)
Dear Heiko, all, Heiko Tietze wrote on 02/01/2024 16:03: Happy New Year everyone, Thanks - likewise! on: Thursday, Jan/11, 14:00 CET resp. 1pm UTC Traveling currently; not sure if I will make it. Was able to comment to most tickets. Interesting stuff :) Cheers, Cor -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger https://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer https://www.libreoffice.org - Member Board The Document Foundation - bizdev @CollaboraOffice - ceo www.nouenoff.nl - initiator www.mijncloudoffice.nl -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Contribute to libre office design and test
html,body{background-color:#fff;color:#333;line-height:1.4;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;;} Hi everyone I use Libre Office frequently since some years, and have exprience starting with wordstar, and then MS-Word etc. since ~1990. Actually I don't use Microsoft's office tools - no license, no willingness, and I write docx if required (for publishing in some journals) - with Libre Office, stored as docx. Sometimes I also use Open-Office, to compare it. This results in many experience. A second one, I am developing a tooling to draw Function Block graphics, evaluate it inclusively code generation, and the drawing tool is Libre Office. It is enough proper to use it, but some details may be to improve. By the way, I am German, can read and write English, but of course sometimes with small mistakes :-( Just, I have viewed to1) Copy Deployment- it is a quest of installation. I have searched to the newest versions of LibreOffice, have installed the newest 7.6.4 and this version was bad. I was angry, it was in usage to insert images as link, etc. (see next), and I want to use the proven 7.5.9. But the official installation support is only via a Win-Installer.exe. Ok, this is for stupid people, they are happy if Windows cares about all. But I want to have the versions (newest, the older one, maybe more) in parallel. I have tried it, it works, the copy deployment. * copied the file from the original „Program Files“ to another specific location. * Deinstalled Libre Office via Windows with remove the files on the orginal location * Started my copy, it works! * Copied the file to another computer, started, works! * Tested have different versions, works! The problem is not that it is not supported, the problem is, it is not documented. The wording „copy deployment“ comes from a brainy colleague. I say this is a very concise designation for this approach. Sometimes the wording „portable installation“ or such is used, but it is not clearly what is meant with that. The copy deployment means that the software runs only with copying the program file folder. This is possible by a lot of tools, and it is supported also by a lot, for example for Eclipse for exampleeclipse-java-2022-06-R-win32-x86_64.zip able to download, unzip and run. But it seems to be that such a “copy deployment” is seen as dirty. And that is a bad opinion. Why a software should be placed in a registry of an operation system – no reason. The copy deployment is usual possible since many epochs, I use it since also before 1990. You should support and offer it as possibility in “expert mode” 2. link to images and relative links I have seen that there is a warning on insertion of images as link (in the newest version 7.6.4) that it isnot recommended, unsafe, etc. Tested just in version 7.5.9.2 this message does not come. I have the feeling that some people in the developing have the opinion, that links from the document are bad. Embedded images are better. And that is wrong! Why: 1) If I offer a text for publishing, the Editors of the magazine want to have images as files. In a high resolution. Because they have its own publishing process. If I write the text first with embedded images, I have a lot of trouble to extract it afterwards or find the originals. 2) If I am working on a documentation, sometimes I should correct the text, improve it, but should also improve some images. The images comes from another source. (For example Libre Office draw, or also from a snipping of a scope or what ever). It is very more simple to work independently on the images, update it on file system, then press “Tools – update all” in Libre Office, and have the correct result. Without effort. I work with independent linked images since many years. In the past there was a reason, that MS-Word crashes on too much content, but this is not the reason to outsource the images. The reason is the working flow. Please do not hinder working with linked image, improve it! Relative links There is a assumption that linked images and links to other documents are unsafe, because it is not guaranteed that the files are existing. This is generally true, but it is really true often forabsolutelinks. Whenever the document and the files are transported (copied) to another computer, work with it, and the locations on the hard disk are not exact the same. Only the stupid user (in German Otto Normalverbraucher) locates his files in the original recommended folder of Windows. Real true users have there specific location. That’s why absolute links are bad. What about relative links: * If I copy the whole directory tree of a project, and the tree has a well defined structure, which is anyway necessary, the relative links work. Only on a dirty working flow they are problems. * More as that: Windows supports since ~Vista symbolic links (which are supported from Unix from beginning),
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Jan-17 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Jan/17, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Styles deck: actually hide hidden leaf styles in Hierarchical view + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158791 * Let users select multiple toolbars at once to view or hide + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158880 * Conditional Formatting gets overwritten + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158724 * "Macros disabled" show a button "Show macros" which does not make sense + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158600 * text file format dialogue on save -- ODF file format? + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158624 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Jan/11. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg0.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Jan-11 (THU)
Happy New Year everyone, the design/UX meeting next weeks is on: Thursday, Jan/11, 14:00 CET resp. 1pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Implement a simple calculation of values to input size and position of draw objects + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158685 * Move rows with protected cells does not give warning + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158682 * Original size button in image properties -> position and size tab doesn't restore original size for paper size exceeding images in Writer (and breaks image ratio) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158545 * Better design for the Keep Ratio setting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158531 * Comment marker makes it difficult to see the data in a cell + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158958 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 There is no meeting this week. Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-20
Hello everyone, I don't know this so it might be a somewhat silly question. Within the ODF spec are there mandatory fonts that have to be supported by all implementations? I see zero reason to embed additional fonts if this is the case except for if you have purposely saved in a font that is required for interoperability. Even then isn't there a concept of a "default" fall back position? Kind regards, John Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 at 9:51 am, Stéphane Guillou wrote: Hi all On 22/12/2023 10:15, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: > The font embedding is an example of a deeper issue: > > If LibreOffice is a 'native' ODT editor; > and if you open an ODT in it; > and if you don't effect any changes in that ODT, but just save; > is it legitimate for the resulting ODT to be in any way different than > the original (other than meta-data regarding modification date etc.) ? > I think it might be legitimate in various cases. One example I can think of is how fileopen checks on a few things depending on what the user has or doesn't have, notably linked files and images. I think there's some similarity: fonts might get embedded if the file properties ask to do it, depending on the font's availability on the system it is opened on. Do you think there should be feedback to the user when such a thing happens? (e.g. a message saying "Font XYZ found, embedding it into the file. See File > Properties > Fonts to change that option."). And why would you save the file in the first place, if you haven't changed anything? Sorry if I'm missing the point :) > > On 22/12/2023 9:11, Heiko Tietze wrote: >> On 21.12.23 20:05, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: >>> "LibreOffice unexpectedly and strangely modifies an ODT file without >>> they user having done anything, and embedding unnecessary fonts nobody >>> asked it to." >> >> Sounds like another facet of the font embedding. I would treat bug >> 158588 about what fonts are embedded (CTL/CJK/Lat and used) and handle >> the situation of shared documents on another. I haven't tested what >> happens when one checks the embed fonts option and shares this document >> with another person. Assuming her fonts would also be included, >> silently, this is at least a privacy issue. >> Just curious, what concrete privacy concerns do you see here? But maybe the "notification" I suggested above would be enough to make the change transparent and the user aware. Cheers -- Stéphane Guillou Quality Assurance Analyst | The Document Foundation Email: stephane.guil...@libreoffice.org Matrix: @stragu:matrix.org Fediverse: @str...@mastodon.indie.host Web: https://stragu.gitlab.io/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-20
Hi all On 22/12/2023 10:15, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: The font embedding is an example of a deeper issue: If LibreOffice is a 'native' ODT editor; and if you open an ODT in it; and if you don't effect any changes in that ODT, but just save; is it legitimate for the resulting ODT to be in any way different than the original (other than meta-data regarding modification date etc.) ? I think it might be legitimate in various cases. One example I can think of is how fileopen checks on a few things depending on what the user has or doesn't have, notably linked files and images. I think there's some similarity: fonts might get embedded if the file properties ask to do it, depending on the font's availability on the system it is opened on. Do you think there should be feedback to the user when such a thing happens? (e.g. a message saying "Font XYZ found, embedding it into the file. See File > Properties > Fonts to change that option."). And why would you save the file in the first place, if you haven't changed anything? Sorry if I'm missing the point :) On 22/12/2023 9:11, Heiko Tietze wrote: On 21.12.23 20:05, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: "LibreOffice unexpectedly and strangely modifies an ODT file without they user having done anything, and embedding unnecessary fonts nobody asked it to." Sounds like another facet of the font embedding. I would treat bug 158588 about what fonts are embedded (CTL/CJK/Lat and used) and handle the situation of shared documents on another. I haven't tested what happens when one checks the embed fonts option and shares this document with another person. Assuming her fonts would also be included, silently, this is at least a privacy issue. Just curious, what concrete privacy concerns do you see here? But maybe the "notification" I suggested above would be enough to make the change transparent and the user aware. Cheers -- Stéphane Guillou Quality Assurance Analyst | The Document Foundation Email: stephane.guil...@libreoffice.org Matrix: @stragu:matrix.org Fediverse: @str...@mastodon.indie.host Web: https://stragu.gitlab.io/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-20
The font embedding is an example of a deeper issue: If LibreOffice is a 'native' ODT editor; and if you open an ODT in it; and if you don't effect any changes in that ODT, but just save; is it legitimate for the resulting ODT to be in any way different than the original (other than meta-data regarding modification date etc.) ? On 22/12/2023 9:11, Heiko Tietze wrote: On 21.12.23 20:05, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: "LibreOffice unexpectedly and strangely modifies an ODT file without they user having done anything, and embedding unnecessary fonts nobody asked it to." Sounds like another facet of the font embedding. I would treat bug 158588 about what fonts are embedded (CTL/CJK/Lat and used) and handle the situation of shared documents on another. I haven't tested what happens when one checks the embed fonts option and shares this document with another person. Assuming her fonts would also be included, silently, this is at least a privacy issue. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-20
On 21.12.23 20:05, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: "LibreOffice unexpectedly and strangely modifies an ODT file without they user having done anything, and embedding unnecessary fonts nobody asked it to." Sounds like another facet of the font embedding. I would treat bug 158588 about what fonts are embedded (CTL/CJK/Lat and used) and handle the situation of shared documents on another. I haven't tested what happens when one checks the embed fonts option and shares this document with another person. Assuming her fonts would also be included, silently, this is at least a privacy issue. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-20
I want to draw our attention to the first bug which was on the agenda in yesterday's design meeting: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158588 I would say that bug is misnamed. It should be called: "LibreOffice unexpectedly and strangely modifies an ODT file without they user having done anything, and embedding unnecessary fonts nobody asked it to." IMHO it's several non-trivial issues rolled into one: * LO's "contract" with the user as an ODT editor * Where does the UI regarding font embedding choices belong? * Does LO "know" about the actual use of different languages in a document? I've commented on the bug myself but would encourage more of us to have another look at it. Eyal PS - Sorry for missing the meeting :-( On 20/12/2023 23:00, Heiko Tietze wrote: Present: Sahil, Rafael, John, Heiko Comments: Dieter, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Redesign font embedding options in sfx2/uiconfig/ui/documentfontspage.ui + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158588 + improve help (Dieter, bug 130185) + dummy text with no embedded font = 28k, with all options on = 22000k with "only used" 927k, with all but limited to latin = 1800k + disable CTL & CJK depending on options and + check by default and disable the "Only used fonts" unless the first option "Embed fonts" is activated (Heiko) + if the document contains and CTL/CJK font it would be pointless to exclude them when saving used fonts only; and the other option makes not much sense alone (Rafael) + font scripts options needs a dev check => do it * FORMCONTROLS Enhancement: Fill Cell with Text Box in Calc + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158273 + check/enable anchor to cell (resize with cell) and fit to cell size by default (Heiko) + changing this makes users needy and they may ask for better chart positioning, for example; how about a dedicated command to achieve the goal (Rafael) + could also be done per macro (Sahil) + goal was here to insert/manipulate many form controls; the workflow with copy/paste is tedious as cursor down or enter does not behave like at normal cells; which could be changed (Heiko) => comment * Incorrectly export number 0 form calc to PDF + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158533 + option to show/include zero is on by default and one has to disable it intentionally + same behavior on Excel + dependency to some archived PDF format is unclear => ask the ESC * New sidebar deck for comments + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106316 + splitter to expand the comments margin (Jim) + comments in margin is sufficient for ordinary users (John) + vertical space in margin is not enough for academia; management is missing, eg. to find unresolved comments (Rafael) + sidebar has limited vertical space + but allows the list being unsynchronized ie. many comments on one single page overlapping each other + requirements: add filter by status, eg. resolved no urgent need for the procrastination option "hide temporarily" + mockup design: take the Onlyoffice example https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=191371; sort is missing; referenced text should be visible in the sidebar pane + enhancements: predefined responses? might be useful for some (Rafael), but should be done resp. the list filled by users (Sahil) + replace the comments in margin or amends it (John) => improve the mockup and ask the community in a blog post -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-20
Present: Sahil, Rafael, John, Heiko Comments: Dieter, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Redesign font embedding options in sfx2/uiconfig/ui/documentfontspage.ui + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158588 + improve help (Dieter, bug 130185) + dummy text with no embedded font = 28k, with all options on = 22000k with "only used" 927k, with all but limited to latin = 1800k + disable CTL & CJK depending on options and + check by default and disable the "Only used fonts" unless the first option "Embed fonts" is activated (Heiko) + if the document contains and CTL/CJK font it would be pointless to exclude them when saving used fonts only; and the other option makes not much sense alone (Rafael) + font scripts options needs a dev check => do it * FORMCONTROLS Enhancement: Fill Cell with Text Box in Calc + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158273 + check/enable anchor to cell (resize with cell) and fit to cell size by default (Heiko) + changing this makes users needy and they may ask for better chart positioning, for example; how about a dedicated command to achieve the goal (Rafael) + could also be done per macro (Sahil) + goal was here to insert/manipulate many form controls; the workflow with copy/paste is tedious as cursor down or enter does not behave like at normal cells; which could be changed (Heiko) => comment * Incorrectly export number 0 form calc to PDF + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158533 + option to show/include zero is on by default and one has to disable it intentionally + same behavior on Excel + dependency to some archived PDF format is unclear => ask the ESC * New sidebar deck for comments + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106316 + splitter to expand the comments margin (Jim) + comments in margin is sufficient for ordinary users (John) + vertical space in margin is not enough for academia; management is missing, eg. to find unresolved comments (Rafael) + sidebar has limited vertical space + but allows the list being unsynchronized ie. many comments on one single page overlapping each other + requirements: add filter by status, eg. resolved no urgent need for the procrastination option "hide temporarily" + mockup design: take the Onlyoffice example https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=191371; sort is missing; referenced text should be visible in the sidebar pane + enhancements: predefined responses? might be useful for some (Rafael), but should be done resp. the list filled by users (Sahil) + replace the comments in margin or amends it (John) => improve the mockup and ask the community in a blog post -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-14
Present: Sahil, Heiko Comments: Mike, Ady, RGB Tickets/Topics * copy rules from Manage < Conditional Formatting (to apply it to a different range instead of extending it) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158187 + proposal is to copy the previous CF line + guess we could just always insert the same content (Heiko) + not all in all cases the CF should auto merge (Mike) + would prefer the MSO solution of paste special with adjustment of the range (Heiko) + rather add some advanced merge functionality (Ady) => comment * UI Can't trust Font feedback field + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158261 + selecting all on Windows with Georgia being available does not lead to the same issue as on Linux without the font + we should treat this as a bug; the replacement must not mess up with the font family (Sahil) + Installing Georgia didn't change anything (Sahil) => fix it * Cross-reference dialogue in Sidebar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87078 + drag'n drop as recommended in bug 36310 (RGB) + drag items from the Navigator yet do not insert a hyperlink as of today but show a menu with "Page number | Chapter | Reference text || Hyperlink" => do it -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Dec-20 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* (and the last one for this year) is on: Wednesday, Dec/20, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Redesign font embedding options in sfx2/uiconfig/ui/documentfontspage.ui + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158588 * FORMCONTROLS Enhancement: Fill Cell with Text Box in Calc + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158273 * Incorrectly export number 0 form calc to PDF + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158533 * add a 'comments reviewing' pane + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158647 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Dec/14. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00135.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-06
Present: Cor, Sahil, Kushi, John, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Sophie, Roman, Regina Tickets/Topics * The term "Field Shadings" is confusing + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158291 + rename to "Spotlight Fields" (Tomas) or "Field Indicators" (Adolfo) + shading is used on some other places too such as ToC, and no good alternative anyway (Cor) + "Field Highlighting" - but not necessary (Sahil) + MS Word knows the term "Character Shading" (Heiko) + no native speaker joined the discussion (Heiko) => resolve NAB/WF * "Formattings" should be used instead of "Formats" in some cases + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158290 + eg. "Conditional Formattings"? + distinction is rather technical, against the effort (Stuart) + up for translators to find the right term (Sophie) + term is used as such in MS Excel (Heiko) => resolve WF/NAB * Automatic scaling of icons for navigation bar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158394 + possible and likely workflow is to start in window mode and maximize this window; requires to adjust dynamically (Cor) + low importance (Roman) => ideally implement option 2) * No way to use correct left/right page style automatically depending on the first page number + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148245 + use case unclear (Heiko), rather very unlikely (Cor) + page number can have any offset + proposal for solution submitted (Regina) => AI Heiko: read the comments carefully => NEEDINFO ... as in: what does Mike think about how often the scenario happens.. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] The Gallery and shapes, following the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-30
On 02.12.23 00:51, Regina Henschel wrote: It would be indeed interesting to know more about the use of the Gallery. There could be very frequently used objects. But on the other hand there might be objects which are only used by few users, but they do not want to do without these object. The Gallery items were changed for bug 131795 (and several others) based on insights at https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/04/01/the-many-faced-god-part-2-how-libreoffice-draw-is-expected-to-evolve/ . Of course it would be nice to learn if _nobody_ uses these shapes, as Eyal claims, or at least some, or on the other hand if users are offended by the design. Nothing to say against a more polished drawings, more custom shapes, and to challenge individual items. Everybody is welcome to submit improvements. The verdict on bug 158253 was "not actionable". -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] The Gallery and shapes, following the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-30
Hi Eyal, Eyal Rozenberg schrieb am 01.12.2023 um 22:35: 'curved-left-arrow', 'curved-right-arrow' etc. These four items in the Arrows category are all the exact same shape, but rotated in 4 directions and each with different coloring. No, their geometries are different and they produce different markup in the file. You need to look at the middle part to see, that they are different. And you cannot get one from the other by 90° rotation, because a rotation affects a text in the shape. We see this phenomenon a lot across the gallery: Artificially inflating the number of shapes with faux variety, which serves to obscures what the gallery actually offers. Many shapes in the Gallery are shapes corresponding to predefined OOXML-shapes. If we provided all predefined OOXML shapes, we would get a Gallery-theme with 189 shapes. This shape is a sort of a "flattened-3D-stripe" kind of arrow, making a U-turn or 180-degree turn. There's a non-3D shape making a U-turn (item 3 in the arrow category) - with more flexible controls than the 3D-stripe shapes, i.e. you give up flexibility for a 3D-effect. This feels like a weird choice to need to make. What's entirely missing, though, are shapes other than a U-turn arrow with a similar 3D effect. Even, say, a 90-degree circular-arc stripe rather 180 degrees, or a more straight-angle turn. Or more decorative gallery items which complement the use of this effect. The user needs are very different: garden planning objects or furniture or electronic components or mathematical illustrations or traffic signs or UML diagrams or outlines of countries... And think of all the thousands of cliparts. All such needs are better served by extensions than by bundled Gallery themes. More importantly, though, is the fact that these shapes are not finalized media one puts into a gallery for display: They are building-blocks for drawing diagrams. In a media gallery, I would not expect to even have control points. So, if you look at the 'oval-arrow' shape, or the shape named 'top-arrows' - they have no control points; it might be a lot of fun if we could pull and tug and scale different aspects of it, but - we can't; it's a finalized, albeit vectorized, piece of clipart. We can take it apart and play with its sub-components, but it's not in itself intended as a flexible component. Yes, the Gallery has very different kind of objects. We could discuss whether shapes should be grouped by their technical aspect or grouped by a topic. 'right-arrow', 'left-arrow', 'down-arrow', 'up-arrow' -- This is another example of four shapes, which are really just one shape with fake variety. Here to, you need to consider text in the shape. For simple arrows, the gallery offers a one-sided and a two-sided arrow, and that's it. But this quadruplet of duplicates is an important example for another reason: It's a shape that's already part of "Basic Shapes", in the "Block Arrows" category. So, all four shapes are just duplicates of another shape, which we already have available in a more accessible way. Shapes in the "Basic Shapes" category and the other categories are in most cases designed to be compatible with binary MS Office formats (e.g. ppt). We try to convert them to OOXML shapes on export to pptx. But that does not work in all cases. The ooxml-shapes from the Gallery can be better used for exchange with pptx, but they fail for export to ppt. ... except that the situation is actually worse than that. If you'll compare the gallery block-arrow and the "Block Arrows" block-arrow from the toolbar, you'll notice that the latter has a single control point, for the arrow shaft width; but the former has both that control point, and the one for arrowhead length. see above. So not only do we have internal redundancy within the gallery; and not only is there redundancy between the gallery and the Basic Shapes; but "Basic Shapes" has been neglected in this respect, with a better version of a shape having been placed in the gallery instead of where it belongs. I think mixing binary-based shapes and OOXML-based shapes is a bad idea because of the export problems mentioned above. Shapes: 'textbox', 'header', 'title' -- These shapes are just textboxes, each with a string of text, and at a different font size. Supposedly, they stand for plain textbox, textbox that corresponds to your presentation's header text font, and textbox that corresponds to your presentation title font. In actuality, they're nothing of the kind: It's just Liberation Sans in three specific sizes. If you change the presentation styles or use a template - these shapes won't adapt; and their names will just be misleading. This is another example of a set of shapes which have artificial variation; but they are also three shapes that will
[libreoffice-design] The Gallery and shapes, following the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-30
In this week's design meeting, bug 158253 came up: Shapes-via-Gallery is problematic & partially redundant with the Shapes sub-toolbars and sidebar https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158253 I was not available to attend (it was during my work hours); but since this is not really about a bug, and since I believe the meeting saw anything but a serious discussion of this matter, I thought I'd reply to the list. I'll try to address some points regarding the issue of "Basic Shapes" vs "Gallery", and problems with what the Gallery has. I think this is relevant enough to bring this up on our mailing list even, since it's not about a specific bug but a large(ish) feature in our UI. So, A clip-art or media item gallery is certainly a useful thing to have. I'm not entirely sure it's important to have one built-in to the office app UI, but let's say we take that as a given. However - we should look at what our gallery actually contains: It's not just poor categorization. Just look at what's in there, and ask yourself if this is what we want to show users... but let me expand on that with a few examples: 'curved-left-arrow', 'curved-right-arrow' etc. These four items in the Arrows category are all the exact same shape, but rotated in 4 directions and each with different coloring. We see this phenomenon a lot across the gallery: Artificially inflating the number of shapes with faux variety, which serves to obscures what the gallery actually offers. This shape is a sort of a "flattened-3D-stripe" kind of arrow, making a U-turn or 180-degree turn. There's a non-3D shape making a U-turn (item 3 in the arrow category) - with more flexible controls than the 3D-stripe shapes, i.e. you give up flexibility for a 3D-effect. This feels like a weird choice to need to make. What's entirely missing, though, are shapes other than a U-turn arrow with a similar 3D effect. Even, say, a 90-degree circular-arc stripe rather 180 degrees, or a more straight-angle turn. Or more decorative gallery items which complement the use of this effect. More importantly, though, is the fact that these shapes are not finalized media one puts into a gallery for display: They are building-blocks for drawing diagrams. In a media gallery, I would not expect to even have control points. So, if you look at the 'oval-arrow' shape, or the shape named 'top-arrows' - they have no control points; it might be a lot of fun if we could pull and tug and scale different aspects of it, but - we can't; it's a finalized, albeit vectorized, piece of clipart. We can take it apart and play with its sub-components, but it's not in itself intended as a flexible component. 'right-arrow', 'left-arrow', 'down-arrow', 'up-arrow' -- This is another example of four shapes, which are really just one shape with fake variety. For simple arrows, the gallery offers a one-sided and a two-sided arrow, and that's it. But this quadruplet of duplicates is an important example for another reason: It's a shape that's already part of "Basic Shapes", in the "Block Arrows" category. So, all four shapes are just duplicates of another shape, which we already have available in a more accessible way. ... except that the situation is actually worse than that. If you'll compare the gallery block-arrow and the "Block Arrows" block-arrow from the toolbar, you'll notice that the latter has a single control point, for the arrow shaft width; but the former has both that control point, and the one for arrowhead length. So not only do we have internal redundancy within the gallery; and not only is there redundancy between the gallery and the Basic Shapes; but "Basic Shapes" has been neglected in this respect, with a better version of a shape having been placed in the gallery instead of where it belongs. Shapes: 'textbox', 'header', 'title' -- These shapes are just textboxes, each with a string of text, and at a different font size. Supposedly, they stand for plain textbox, textbox that corresponds to your presentation's header text font, and textbox that corresponds to your presentation title font. In actuality, they're nothing of the kind: It's just Liberation Sans in three specific sizes. If you change the presentation styles or use a template - these shapes won't adapt; and their names will just be misleading. This is another example of a set of shapes which have artificial variation; but they are also three shapes that will never be used, except perhaps by mistake; and of shapes which, I argue, no user would consider placing in their clipart or media gallery, because of their complete triviality. It is as though the Gallery populators decided to pack some shapes for us, in case we got stranded on a deserted island where the toolbars and menus don't work, and we can only use the gallery to insert anything these three are
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-30
Present: Sahil, Hossein, Bogdan, Heiko Comments: Charles, John, Stuart, Miklos, Samuel Tickets/Topics * Autofilter enables deselect items automatically when typing a search + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133836 + Patch https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/159737 + change All into All Selected (downside is an additional click) + add checkbox "[x] Auto Select" (downside is a more heavy UI) + consider experienced users who expect current behavior (Ady) + check other tools too (Hossein) + combining searches is only possible with the new functionality (Bogdan) => comment on BZ * The term "Track changes" is being used ungrammatically + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158289 + "Record Track Changes" vs "Record Tracked Changes" or "Record Change Tracking" + "Change Tracking", and better under tools (Charles, John) + term is used by MSO, not worth the effort (Stuart, Heiko) + MS Word uses "Track changes" Google Docs: "review suggested edits" (Miklos) + "Track Changes" sounds good to me, "Manage Change Tracking" for example, or "Previous Change Tracking" (Sahil) + some effort to implement => WF * Forced to pick from the existing Impress templates - need to ad a Light and a Dark template + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155609 + possible if background is transparent via Tools > Color > Light/Dark (Bogdan, Heiko) + still some ambiguity since probably light background is expected on export (Hossein) + and we ship some dark templates such as Portfolio => WFM * Copy SVG Code Directly into LibreOffice to Render Pictures + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41119 + Insert > From Clipboard or Paste Special > As Text + why copy/paste the code when you can have the full image; better suited for an extension (Samuel) + add function similar to "Import MathML from Clipboard" (Regina) + allows to tweak and inspect the SVG code (Stuart) + wonder what happens when one pastes just a part on top of an existing image, -1/WF (Heiko, Hossein) + if editing when pasting complex content is the natural next step, would we also allow to modify ODF or HTML data (Hossein) + Pasting without editing would be meaningless, and those together requires big effort (Hossein) + not much interest in this feature over the years => resolve WF * Shapes-via-Gallery is problematic & partially redundant with the Shapes sub-toolbars and sidebar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158253 + no point in changing the Gallery (Stuart) + the Gallery is a place for various content being sorted currently by tasks mostly; if we remove the line drawings, for example, it might become more polished but we loose functionality; nevertheless some items might be worth to challenge (Heiko) + categorization is in fact not perfect but providing improvements to the Gallery is beyond one ticket (Hossein) + not a fan of removing content rather better categorization (Hossein) => ticket not actionable => WF -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] FOSS Backstage Design – a new conference on Open Source UX & Design
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[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Dec-06 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Dec/06, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * The term "Field Shadings" is confusing + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158291 + rename to "Spotlight Fields"? * "Formattings" should be used instead of "Formats" in some cases + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158290 + eg. "Conditional Formattings"? * Automatic scaling of icons for navigation bar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158394 * No way to use correct left/right page style automatically depending on the first page number + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148245 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Nov/30. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00126.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-22
Present: Maija, Sahil, Julia, Eyal, John, Cor, Heiko Comments: LeroyG, Mike, Ady, Rafael, Werner, Tomaz, Csongor Tickets/Topics * Conducting a survey around LibreOffice + How often would you accept a nag screen? + Would you appreciate a welcome screen with some initial questions? + ... + to bring the results into something actionable is challenging but expected by the participants (Cor) * Inconsistent behavior of "New style from selection" in Styles list and Styles menu + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151563 + works as expected in the Stylist but not anywhere else + add the "paragraph" to the string, at least (LeroyG) + alternative commands for every individual style (Mike) + not obvious that the command uno:StyleNewByExample is needed in menu/toolbar/shortcut (Eyal) + not so important (Cor, John) + drop customizability and access in the UI except the Stylist (Heiko) + drawback is that one needs to activate the Stylist + extra UNO commands would be needed for the Notebookbars too (John) + change just the title for now (Cor, Eyal) + PS can be added by directly adding the name to the styles toolbar control and we could provide an analogue control for CS (Cor) => change command title * add UNO command for Hidden font effect of characters in Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158168 + easy to customize via user-defined character style (Heiko) + disagree since it means to multiply CS (Eyal) + suggest to add it as DF (Eyal, John) + depending on the use case it be necessary to add the attribute on top of any format; example workflow is to have words in different language next to each other and hide one or the other (Cor) + but tend to agree with WF/NAB (Cor) => add UNO command (but dont show on the UI by default) * Sidebar pane shortcuts conflict with Alt+NumPad input + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158112 + alt+num code is used to insert characters not on the keyboard (Ady) + make it depending on the OS/DE (Eyal) + use alt+shift+ (Heiko) + Acceptable (Eyal) + remove shortcuts, or make it so users can customize it + no so good (Eyal) + involve a11y into the discussion (Eyal) + ctrl+alt+ is available for customization! => comment * Add 'shuffle' or 'random' option to 'Sort' dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158196 + functionality not available in Excel too + agree to the need for UNO command to shuffling cell range, rows, columns (Rafael) + better suited for Sheet > Fill Cells (Werner) + definitely not (Tomaz) + frequently needed; best suited for the sort dialog as another option after ascending/descending (Csongor) + wonder if randomization needs to have a start value to get the same result repeatedly (Eyal) + should not (Cor) + expect it as extra command under Data among Sort (John) + bloats the dialog (Cor) + would rather like to see it in the dialog; would be more visible (Eyal) + hard to wrap the mind around sort first by col A, the by random B, and finally by C (Heiko) => UNO command might be the best choice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Nov-30 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting next weeks is on: Thursday, Nov/30, 14:00 CET resp. 1pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Forced to pick from the existing Impress templates - need to ad a Light and a Dark template + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155609 * Copy SVG Code Directly into LibreOffice to Render Pictures + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41119 + Insert > From Clipboard or Paste Special > As Text * Shapes-via-Gallery is problematic & partially redundant with the Shapes sub-toolbars and sidebar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158253 * The term "Track changes" is being used ungrammatically + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158289 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is today, Nov/22. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00123.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-16
Present: Hossein, Sahil, Heiko Comments: Miguel, Regina, Cor Tickets/Topics * No hotkey to apply cloned formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156404 + ticket was set to fixed by removing the customizability for the UNO command + Clone formatting is a complex interaction with single click to apply once and double to apply until escaped; this complexity cannot put into a command (but could be done in a simple way) + we do have Repeat (shift+ctrl+Y), which applies the formatting, if this was the last operation, to the current selection (Heiko) + no strong opinion, suggest to be compatible with other programs (Hossein) + in fact MSO allows to copy per ctrl+shift+C and paste from this buffer at any time later per ctrl+shift+V => introduce the UNO command * Setting language for Selection/Paragraph/All text can't be shortcut + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157648 + it's a bug, if pasting w/o format does not work (Cor) + possible solution is to define a character style with the preferred language, use tools > customize > keyboard: styles > character styles to assign a shortcut to this style (ideally you do this in a template); select text and apply the style per shortcut then (Hossein) => no further shortcut needed, WF * UI: Resizing of a selection of columns/rows should correspond to the mouse position + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157945 + do not resize (all columns) to the width of the currently dragged column but divide the sum by the number of columns so the mouse position remains after releasing it (Cor) + sounds reasonable to me, rather with a modifier key such as ctrl to keep the old behavior too (Heiko) + same in Excel and suggest to not break the current behavior (Hossein) => do it * Feature request: Editing, Formatting, UI. Option to add linebreaks when merging cells into one + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158034 + agree to use cr/lf (for rows) and tab (for columns) when merging cells (and split later with this information) (Miguel, Cor, Heiko) + doubt it can be considered generally (Hossein) + undo needs to be considered, tab/linefeed have special meaning => comment * Need a rectangular-brace-pair callout shape + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157879 + good for an extension; attached to the ticket (Regina) + the Gallery > Shapes has some good callout examples (Hossein) + adding such shape leads to compatibility issues + possible to get square brackets from round (Heiko) + but this wont be a callout (Eyal) + compatibility bug should be filed (Hossein) + having the default shapes from other shapes in LibreOffice makes sense (Hossein) + adding too many shapes make access difficult and we should do it only for absolutely necessary content, WF (Heiko) => comment -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Nov-16 (THU)
Hé Heiko, all, Heiko Tietze wrote on 07/11/2023 16:30: on: Thursday, Nov/16, 14:00 CET resp. 1pm UTC can't join - sorry. Commented on some of the bugs though, and * No hotkey to apply cloned formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156404 + review the decision to not have a dedicated command to make CF shortcut-able think that makes sense - response maybe was too bold/fast? Cheers, Cor -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger https://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer https://www.libreoffice.org - Member Board The Document Foundation - bizdev @CollaboraOffice - ceo www.nouenoff.nl - initiator www.mijncloudoffice.nl -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Nov-22 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Nov/22, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Inconsistent behavior of "New style from selection" in Styles list and Styles menu + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151563 * add UNO command for Hidden font effect of characters in Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158168 * Sidebar pane shortcuts conflict with Alt+NumPad input + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158112 * Add 'shuffle' or 'random' option to 'Sort' dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158196 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Nov/16. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00121.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Nov-16 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *in two weeks* is on: Thursday, Nov/16, 14:00 CET resp. 1pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * No hotkey to apply cloned formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156404 + review the decision to not have a dedicated command to make CF shortcut-able * Setting language for Selection/Paragraph/All text can't be shortcut + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157648 + implement some way to set the/a language per shortcut * UI: Resizing of a selection of columns/rows should correspond to the mouse position + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157945 * Feature request: Editing, Formatting, UI. Option to add linebreaks when merging cells into one + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158034 + use cr/lf and tab when merging cells (and split later with this information) * Need a rectangular-brace-pair callout shape + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157879 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is Wednesday Nov/08. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00118.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Re: URL links in bundled template
The original page from the Indonesian contest https://lumbung.libreoffice.id/ is down too. And ultimately it is a general question whether or not to included credits for artwork contributions (the link could be removed; and Unsplash, or similar pages, are not needed at all). It's not uncommon to show names (KDE does on several places) but feels a bit weird since code contributions are never personalized ("this feature was brought to you by..."). I tend to vote for removal. CC: design mailing list On 04.11.23 16:18, Laurent Balland wrote: Hello, While I was updating "Grey Elegant" Impress template for bug 158022 [1], I noticed that - on master page "Table of content", there are two URL links ([2] and [3]) for the credits of the illustration - on last slide, there are two URL links ([4] and [5]) for the credits of the photo [2] seems empty and [4] is a broken link. [3] and [5] look like commercial links Shall we preserve them? "Vintage" Impress template uses meta.xml [6] to take care of such information. Any opinion how we could deal with the credits used in bundled templates? Best regards Laurent [1] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158022 [2] https://icons8.com/illustrations/author/5ec7b0e101d0360016f3d1b3 [3] https://icons8.com/ [4] https://unsplash.com/@johnwestrock?utm_source=unsplash_medium=referral_content=creditCopyText [5] https://unsplash.com/s/photos/landscape?utm_source=unsplash_medium=referral_content=creditCopyText [6] https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/extras/source/templates/presnt/Vintage/meta.xml?r=659acfbb#8 -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-02
Present: Cor, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Stephane Tickets/Topics * in automatic filter, add the number of the first row where the value appears + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157331 + proposal is to show the first occurrence in addition/alternatively to the total number the first occurrence (tdf#149984) + suggest to ask in a forum/ask-libreoffice for good solutions - and request a change if none is found (Cor) + computational effort sounds to be low; real estate on dialog seems to be possible though somewhat cluttered; wouldn't reject the request but recommend to not start work unless more users are interested (Eyal) + would WF the request; searching is easy and showing the total number more relevant (Heiko) => keep ticket and comment * Cell / font formatting lost when data linked from external data + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150414 + if external source has formatting it should be taken into the reference, if not it must not clear the internal format (Eyal) + make the two feature behave in exactly the same way and provide an option to use the source formatting (Stephane) + better documentation needed (Heiko) + topic is very difficult to understand and probably needs more investigation (Cor) => follow Stephane's suggestion * The arrowhead control in the sidebar line section is difficult to notice + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157882 + sidebar is crowded anyway, suggest to not have every single attribute there (Heiko) + cap style / corner style are even less likely changed by users (Eyal) + control is difficult to notice but tooltip makes the functionality obvious (Cor) => improve by moving the current control into a new line, drop cap/corner style, and keep splitting the control for later -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Oct-25
Present: John, Bogdan, Heiko Comments: Eike, Eyal Tickets/Topics * feature [Draw] Color option to identify the layer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157255 + currently we show italic for locked, underline for non-printing and blue font color for invisible, and a bold bar for the active layer + a) just use bold for the active layer and icons for states + drawback is a jumping UI and larger tabs + b) use a thin bar to indicate the object's layer + hard to distinguish from the active layer + c) colorize the layer of the object with highlight color + could use the system highlight color (and invert the blue font of disabled) + like option a) (John) + competitors? draw.io uses kind of a Navigator and draws a tiny dot for the object's layer + ideally improve the Navigator => comment * Re-initialize autofill rather than overwriting content + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157731 + re-initialize autofill rather than overwriting content when pressing ctrl (Heiko) + take care of shift being pressed (just copies the content) + no harm in adding this function (John) => do it * Paste number format only + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157627 + paste special without format should not alter the target format (Eike) + would be a random choice of attributes and bloats the dialog (John, Heiko) + workflow is unclear and sounds very specific + using proper cell style might be a good alternative + Excel provides an option to paste "Formulas and number formats" or alternatively "Values and number formats"; we should consider adding this (John) + just adding the number format could be a checkbox under Options labeled "Number format" disabled if "[x] Format" is checked (and otherwise allowing to overwrite the target number format) => do it * Print or export to PDF by chapters/sections + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157346 + nice shortcut (Heiko) + should be called heading; and agree with the request (Eyal) + makes the print dialog more complicated and is quite unusual; reading first/last page from the document is simple enough (John) => resolve WF -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Nov-02 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *in two weeks* is * MIND THE DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME * on: Thursday, Nov/02, 14:00 CET resp. 1pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * in automatic filter, add the number of the first row where the value appears + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157331 + show in addition/alternatively to the total number the first occurrence? * Cell / font formatting lost when data linked from external data + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150414 + unify functionality or just document * The arrowhead control in the sidebar line section is difficult to notice + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157882 + make arrowheads easier to access in sidebar or remove (or WF/NAB) * FORMATTING: Setting language for Selection/Paragraph/All text can't be shortcut + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157648 + implement some way to set the/a language per shortcut * No hotkey to apply cloned formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156404 + implement an extra command in order to make CF shortcut-able All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is Wednesday Oct/25. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00114.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Oct-19
Present: Cor, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Stephane, RGB, Eyal, Jan, Robert Tickets/Topics * As we now have a Comment style, remove/redirect "Format all comments..." + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157522 + direct formatting might still be needed, eg. to increase the font size for all comments (Stephane) + rename to "Direct format all comments" and perhaps hide it from the menu but keep it; add Edit Style to the menu (Heiko) + turn "Format all comments" into "Edit default paragraph style for comments" (RGB) + rather open the Paragraph Style dialog for the current Comment PS (Eyal) + remove the command, and offer "Select All" (Cor, Eyal) => comment * Improve password security UX + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157518 + implement strength meter based on existing code, do not use rules, consider further improvements (Jan) + https://keepass.info/help/kb/pw_quality_est.html + have an "unmask password" icon (Jan) + have a policy to provide companies a way to not allow simple passwords (Cor, Gabor) + show strength meter with tooltips what do to (Eyal, Heiko) + perhaps split the bug (Eyal) => comment * Method to clear search text drop down list in Base form + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157039 + remember search during the session (Heiko) + store it in the database (Robert) => fix depending on effort * Writer: repeat first column of a table on subsequent pages + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157301 + table don't flow left/right to the next page (Cor) + OP is not a CTL user but wants to split a wide table across multiple pages + theoretically it might be possible "If a table does not fit on a single page, a set of adjacent table columns can be automatically repeated on every page..." + Calc provide means to achieve this via Print Range > Row/Columns to repeat (Cor) + don't worth the effort, unless the OP can explain why implementing this in Writer in necessary (Eyal) => WF -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Oct-25 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Oct/25, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * feature [Draw] Color option to identify the layer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157255 * Re-initialize autofill rather than overwriting content + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157731 * Paste number format only + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157627 * Print or export to PDF by chapters/sections + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157346 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Oct/19. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00112.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Oct-05
Present: Heiko Comments: Gabor, Jean-Francois, Stephane, Ilmari, Telesto, Attila, William, Khaled, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Writer allows to insert comments in footnotes in DOCX, but loses them + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157406 + have UI settings for all similar MSO-compat options (Gabor) + add AllowCommentsInFootnotes and ClockwisePieChartDirection but not ReverseSeriesOrderAreaAndNetChart, and ReverseXAxisOrientationDoughnutChart (Heiko) => easy hack * Import & Export mechanism for the font substitution table + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157415 + realize per extension (Jean-Francois, Heiko) => WF * Formula help still displayed when editing cell formatted as text + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156674 + show tip anyway (Stephane) + cell reference highlighting might be misleading (Ilmari) + formula might be shown anyway (Heiko) + and the tooltip shows up only while editing; possible workflow is to write formulas in text mode and switch finally to number for execution- which makes the tooltip valuable => resolve WF/NAB * Cursor goes beyond margins when typing spaces at the end of a line + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155494 + mimic MS Word that allows spaces beyond margin and off page (Telesto) + controversial situation; allow space, don't wrap line, give feedback... and the use case is very dubious (Attila) + not being able to add pointless spaces at the end or breaking into the next line was the reason for the report (William) + TextEdit and Pages keep the cursor at line end regardless spaces (Khaled) + MS Word had in the past '"Wrap trailing spaces to the next line" (for compatibility with WordPerfect)'; suggest to break line (Stuart) + make this optional (William, Heiko) => add optionally -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Oct-19 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *in two weeks* is on: Thursday, Oct/19, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design (no meeting next week because of vacation) Here is the agenda: * As we now have a Comment style, remove/redirect "Format all comments..." + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157522 * Improve password security UX + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157518 * Writer: repeat first column of a table on subsequent pages + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157301 * Method to clear search text drop down list in Base form + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157039 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is Thursday Oct/05. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00110.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Sep-27
Present: Maja, Eyal, Rafael, John, Rizal, Heiko Comments: Stephane Tickets/Topics * Support partial visibility of tracked changes (at least like MS Word) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157104 + use case: reviewer caring about content not formatting (Stephane) + tools > options > writer > changes allows to set every type to [None] but it still becomes colored differently, at least for formatting + agree with the request (John), agree with the use case (Rafael) + show in the TC sidebar (only) (Heiko) + should also be available in the menu (Eyal) + toolbar button to toggle margin visibility needs rework (Eyal) + improve tools > options? not a good choice as it is not per document, low discoverability + take care of margin options => do it * [UI] Presenter mode does not use system font + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157276 + complex theming at ooO.PresenterScreen.Presenter.Themes[] including background image, font size, color, style... and familyname, though not set + PresenterTheme::FontDescriptor::CreateFont() { if (msFamilyName.isEmpty()) aFontRequest.FontDescription.FamilyName = "Tahoma"; + customization in the registry could be applied and shared via extension + certainly needs to be larger and more distinctive than usual UI content (Eyal) + "fallback" resp. default for empty fontfamily should not be Tahoma but the UI font (Eyal) + don't dislike the current solution, wouldn't change it (Heiko) + prefer to have the system default (Rafael) => let's do it * EDITING Hyperlink to hidden sheet navigates to wrong sheet + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118866 + how does MSO work? the same as Calc -> no information (John) + even worse since editing the hyperlink breaks it while we still list the hidden sheet + a) switch anyway (and show the hidden sheet, maybe only temporarily) + a1) permanently unhide the hidden sheet, since the temporary action is too surprising (Eyal, Rafael) + b) show some info bar, message box, balloon tip + c) disable the link and change the appearance accordingly + IMO b) or a1); against c) (Eyal) + IMO b) or a) (John) + IMO b) infobar; against a1) and a) as there might be a need to hide a sheet (Rafael, Maja) + protected sheets need to be considered; showing is not an option in this case + the infobar moves the content downward, a messagebox is disruptive => do it (easyhackable, medium interesting) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Oct-05 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Oct/05, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Writer allows to insert comments in footnotes in DOCX, but loses them + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157406 + what options list in the UI? * Import & Export mechanism for the font substitution table + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157415 + dedicated function, extension, or don't do? * Formula help still displayed when editing cell formatted as text + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156674 + hide tooltip in case of text-formatting * Cursor goes beyond margins when typing spaces at the end of a line + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155494 + break line, show ellipsis, or accept All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is today, Wednesday Sep/27. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00109.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Sep-27 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Sep/27, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Support partial visibility of tracked changes (at least like MS Word) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157104 * [UI] Presenter mode does not use system font + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157276 * EDITING Hyperlink to hidden sheet navigates to wrong sheet + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118866 * No way to use correct left/right page style automatically depending on the first page number + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148245 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 There is no meeting this week. Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Sep-13
Present: John, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Dieter, Stephane, Mike Tickets/Topics * Separate Default Page Size from Language Locale + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149478 + add an option to set the default page size (John, Eyal) + Consider placing the option elsewhere than Languages Settings | Language, as that is not intuitive & difficult to discover (Eyal) + templates are pretty easy to do and users should learn this (Dieter) => do it * UX review needed for Options - Writer - Compatibility dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157006 + hide single GUI option (John, Heiko) + reorganize the other, ie. OpenOffice 1.1 together + perhaps combining all those options makes it easier (John) + rename, ie. use verbs at the beginning + shorten text if possible, ie. "Tolerate..." without " for compatibility..." (needs to be considered individually) + Perhaps consider having a drop-down list box for setting the selection to correspond to specific apps: OOo 1.1, some version(s) of MS Word etc. (Eyal) + Planning to comment on specifics in more detail on the bug page (Eyal) => easyhack * Tabs in Ruler not showing correctly + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157081 + Windows show no automatic tab stop at all (only manual) + change design of default tab stop indicator and (John) + use left/right pointing angle for LTR/RTL (Stephane) => do it * Inconsistent table row selection + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155670 + nothing "surprising" in the selection, LibreOffice is doing well (Heiko) + LO behavior on is surprising, frustrates expectations and inconsistent (e.g. third-line-level vs first-line-level) (Eyal) + unclear use case /issue (John) + compatibility might be relevant (John) + don't think we need to make the same mistakes (Heiko) + Disagree, issue is very clear (Eyal) + Will try to make a video to better clarify the frustration (Eyal) => prolly NAB * Incentivize users to use the latest version via the UI + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153153 + prompt would be intrusive, static text in About dialog okay (Mike) + Windows has the (auto-)updater informing about new versions, Linux distributions prefer own update procedures, no need for more "incentives" (Heiko) + About dialog is not an incentive per se (Eyal) + rather invest in better update mechanism and "intrusive prompt" when new major updates are available (Eyal) + show an infobar on major version "Version is no longer supported" along with buttons "Update", "Show again", Don't bother again" (Eyal, John) => comment -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] No design/UX meeting 2023-Sep-21 (THU)
Hello all, there will be no meeting *next week*. The meeting *this week* is tomorrow, Wednesday Sep/13, the agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00105.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Sep-07
Present: Eyal, Heiko Comments: Dieter, Mike, Balazs, Stephane, Maxim Tickets/Topics * Pasting a table cell, pastes the source cell in the upper/actual cell as an inner table cell + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149625 + always put inner tables when cursor is inside the cell (Mike) + use modifier key or paste special dialog + do not change / WF as such a rare use case does not improve with a different workflow (Dieter) => resolved NAB/INV meanwhile * Not possible to enable table header rows repeat from menubar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93694 + command is not frequently used and does not deserve a place in the main/context menu (Heiko) + Command is used frequently enough to merit reasonable visibility, and its toggle aspect (repeat yes/no) at least also merits increased visibility (Eyal) + adding the command to the table toolbar is not sufficiently visible/ accessible, people will not notice it as they rarely pay attention to the table toolbar, and an icon will not draw their attention (Eyal) + adding to the context menu is an acceptable "compensation" for the loss of visibility via the menu (Eyal) + shorter command label would be good (Heiko, Eyal) + start label with an action verb like "Repeat Header Rows" + sounds good; and is used on MSO too + do the same with .uno:RowSplit and move to the context menu and name it "Break Row Across Pages" => do it * "Fit height to text" is misleading, only regards growing rather than shrinking + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156939 + resizing works, if not set manually (Heiko) + ... but the box is still never shrunk, only stretched (Eyal) + ideally this toggle would make the box both stretch and shrink as necessary (Heiko) + Unless the functionality is changing very soon, better rename so that the label fits the current, rather than the ideal, functionality (Eyal) + Suggest "Stretch" instead of "Fit" (Eyal) + MSO uses "[ ] Resize shape to fit text" and "[ ] Wrap text in shape" + "Resize shape" switches off automatically when the height changes + if "Wrap text" is switched off, the box is sized according the page width (and text still breaks) + if the box is resized from the page width, the "Wrap text" option is switched on automatically + feature needs to be ODF compliant => comment * "Fit width to text" shouldn't default to "extend width to fit whole paragraph on a single line" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156942 + should do the same as "Fit height to text" (Heiko) + and does - the text box changes depending on the text if active; otherwise the text breaks + should not grow beyond page/side width (Eyal, Heiko) + ... but limitation on growing beyond page/window width is independent of the behavior choice in this bug (Eyal) + request is to set width, and apply line breaking, so that the paragraph fits to the chosen box height; at least as an optional behavior, preferably as the default or single behavior (Eyal) + not a common functionality and needs to be available in ODF (Heiko) + Arranging text in textboxes is an extremely common activity with Impress. Also, with the current behavior being unwieldy, using this functionality couldn't be common (Eyal) => comment * add toggle to show / hide authorship metadata in popup Calc comments + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156885 + config key could be added (Balazs) + agree with the toggle request meaning show/hide (Eyal) + Calc is special regarding comments and should not compared with Writer; such a toggle makes sense (Stephane, Ady) + show comments in a sidebar tab makes hiding simple (Maxim) + function to clear metadata sounds more appropriate than a (hidden) config key that disables the feature (Heiko) => comment -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Sep-13 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Sep/13, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Separate Default Page Size from Language Locale + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149478 + add an option to set the default page size? * UX review needed for Options - Writer - Compatibility dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157006 + hide single GUI option, reorganize the other, and rename a few * Tabs in Ruler not showing correctly + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157081 + change design of default tab stop indicator or don't show at all * Inconsistent table row selection + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155670 + how much consistency with MSO is needed? * Incentivize users to use the latest version via the UI + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153153 + feedback whether the installed version is the latest at the about box All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday Sep/07, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00103.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Aug-30
Present: Eyal, Heiko Comments: Khaled, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Ability to remove non-printing/"atypical" characters in a stretch of text + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156507 + there is no such thing as exotic characters (Khaled, Stuart) + recommended workflow is to use advanced search and replace with +F10 exposing NPC, and +X showing Unicode => wontfix * The "Fast Action" Buttons to hide/unhide all grouped columns & rows disappear when View Headers is set to conceal headers + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156495 + a) keep the extra space and just hide the labels + b) disable the command and always show headers if groups exist + c) accept situation since done intentionally => c), resp. WF; also since groups still can be shown/hidden individually * Indication of which table rows are considered heading rows is "hidden away" from the user + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156454 + make a duplicate of bug 113603 "Unified table management" + any band-aid like some info in the context menu or tooltips to indicate whether a row is a header is odd => make a duplicate * Allow insertion of items into master without a selected item + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155741 + works in the floating Navigator ("Text" is always selected) but not when docked + unclear why insertion is not possible + having some random entry when nothing is in the document is weird + selecting the first item by default is not a solution since after adding a document one ends up with no selection => needsDevEval * Custom list numbering from DOCX import is not available in UI + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156598 + new scheme allows to use %1%2 on any level + mockup prepared during the session + would like to have "%1{.%2}[2-]{.%3}[3-]{.%4}[4-]{.%5} [5-]{.%6}[6-]{.%7}[7-]{.%8}[8-]{.%9}[9-]{.%10}[10-]" (Eyal) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Sep-07 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Sep/07, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Pasting a table cell, pastes the source cell in the upper/actual cell as an inner table cell + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149625 + always put inner tables when cursor is inside the cell (Mike) + use modifier key or paste special dialog + do not change / WF as such a rare use case does not improve with different workflow * Not possible to enable table header rows repeat from menubar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93694 + is this command frequently used so it needs a place in the main/context menu? * add toggle to show / hide authorship metadata in popup Calc comments + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156885 + disable or delete authorship for comments in Calc * "Fit height to text" is misleading, only regards growing rather than shrinking + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156939 + rename or enhance * "Fit width to text" shouldn't default to "extend width to fit whole paragraph on a single line" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156942 + unclear scope, option for re-wrapping vs. resizing might be over-engineering All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Wednesday Aug/30, the agenda can be found https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00101.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Aug-24
Present: Heiko Comments: Jan, Eyal Tickets/Topics * On F1 / Help failure - No resolution path is identified for resolving errormesssage + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142926 => no further comment, the doer decides * No hotkey to apply cloned formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156404 + don't add an extra shortcut for sticky cloning (Heiko) => no further comment, WF * In LibreOffice Writer no option to select all text with the same formating + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156488 + ENHANCEMENT: Select all text with the same formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94989 + resolve WF/NAB as we do this via Find All (Heiko) + unclear use case: select all text with certain formatting for what purpose?; likely has alternative/better ways to achieve (Heiko) + F is not the place anyone would look for this functionality (Eyal) => WF, as this was the decision in the past * Split search for text and for style into two tabs in Find and Replace dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156493 + good idea (Jan) + applies to "Paragraph Style", "Attributes", and "Format"/"No Format" + searching for attributes/formatting in comments or via regex is possible although unlikely needed + don't see much advantage (Heiko) => do it -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Aug-30 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Aug/30, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Ability to remove non-printing/"atypical" characters in a stretch of text + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156507 * Custom list numbering from DOCX import is not available in UI + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156598 * The "Fast Action" Buttons to hide/unhide all grouped columns & rows disappear when View Headers is set to conceal headers + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156495 * Indication of which table rows are considered heading rows is "hidden away" from the user + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156454 * Allow insertion of items into master without a selected item + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155741 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday Aug/24, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00098.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Cool! LibreOffice is free, open source and very good office suite!
Subject: Cool! LibreOffice is free, open source and very good office suite! Good day from Singapore, I have problems with both of my Microsoft Office Home and Business 2019 licenses. So I had installed a trial version of Microsoft Office on my refurbished Aftershock gaming laptop but it expired on 11 Aug 2023. I couldn't use it any more. I needed an office suite but I do not want to spend SGD$300++ purchasing Microsoft Office licenses. Then I thought of LibreOffice. I quickly downloaded and installed LibreOffice 7.5.5.2. With LibreOffice installed, I used LibreOffice Calc to edit and save my Excel worksheet. When I opened the edited Excel worksheet using Microsoft Excel on my Samsung Galaxy A32 5G Android phone, the Excel worksheet didn't look significantly different. In fact, the Excel worksheet edited by LibreOffice Calc looks the same as if it had been edited by Microsoft Excel. I have decided to uninstall the trial version of Microsoft Office Home and Business 2019 (as it doesn't work anymore) and use LibreOffice permanently! By the way, does LibreOffice have the equivalent of Microsoft Outlook? Thank you LibreOffice development team! Regards, Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming Targeted Individual in Singapore Blogs: https://tdtemcerts.blogspot.com https://tdtemcerts.wordpress.com GIMP also stands for Government-Induced Medical Problems. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Aug-16
Present: John, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Eike, Justin, Bogdan Tickets/Topics * Select paragraph (quad click) causes jumping to the end + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156369 + see also https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137603 + MSO hides the caret on selection, we show it and give feedback where it is; changing this should be done + not so many people requesting this change (John) + actually it is a frequently asked question (Heiko) + depends on the OS/DE how selection works (Notepad on Windows hides the caret likewise MSO while Kate on Linux/KDE does the same as we do, ie. show and move the caret) + advantage of showing the caret is better feedback; you see what has been selected (important when the text spawns multiple pages) + do not change this; and if do it optional (Heiko) => make this request a duplicate of 137603 and comment there * Warn when default format is changed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90593 + no warning when changing the default at Tools > Options > Load/Save + pointless in first place and common without (Bogdan, Justin) + saving as plain txt gives no warning but changing on SaveAs to doc it warns; MSO gives a warning for odt (for example) even when it is the default (together with a don't show again checkbox) + would expect the same as MSO for all formats but odt/fodt; the "warn when not saving..." below should become "Do want in case of alien formats" being controlled on the confirmation dialog => do so * Wrong cell attributes assumed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113687 + valid request but header should be taken into account (Eike) => make the format of inserted rows/cols depending on the action left/right (rather prior/after) resp. below/top * Cannot copy formula by copying cell when displaying with Show Formula + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156357 => assigned * Option to REQUIRE pressing F2 or Enter to switch to cell edit mode and ignore any data entry attempts otherwise + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155891 + option to disallow direct input in Calc (F2 always required) + if implemented it should be done as expert option to make it hard to find for average users (Hossein) => do it -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jul-27
Present: Shu, Hossein, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Ady, Thomas, Roman Tickets/Topics * Allow to invert selection in Autofilter + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156305 + wont clutter too much and nice to have (Ady) => add the option * Get Rid of the Red Background Color in Find Box + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156227 + shading has a clear meening (Thomas) + don't mind the red highlighting (Shu) + bad contrast for black font on red background, at least on Windows (Hossein) + MSO shows an extra dialog + Not having a popup/dialog to tell nothing is found may lead to issues. For example in Writer, it caused the screen reader not announcing it https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117173 => make "Search key not found" label bold and red instead of the input highlight => show a dialog with "Search key not found" with a "[x] Show this message" dialog for a11y * The "increase indent" icon has no effect after reaching cell border + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114452 + keep function and make it depending on the cell size rather than column (Shu) + increase after maximum (Eyal) + disable the command if the indentation is at the maximum => do it * Pivot table - enable subtotals by default + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155130 + enabling per double click on row field is easy (Roman) + enabling subtotals clutters the table, in particular in case of multiple groups where users should decide manually which group needs a summary (Heiko) => do not enable by default * continue fulfilling input fields + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101625 + hide the button (Shu, Heiko) => do it -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Aug-16 (WED)
Hello all, there will be *no design/UX meeting the next two weeks* scheduled for Wed Aug/02 and Thu Aug/10. The next meeting will be on: Wednesday, Aug/16, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Select paragraph (quad click) causes jumping to the end + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156369 + see also https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137603 + keep cursor position on (any) selection? * Warn when default format is changed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90593 + no warning when changing the default at Tools > Options > Load/Save + pointless in first place and common without (Bogdan, Justin) * Wrong cell attributes assumed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113687 + make the format of inserted rows/cols depending on the action left/right (rather prior/after) resp. below/top? * Cannot copy formula by copying cell when displaying with Show Formula + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156357 + what to copy/paste if Show Formula is checked in Calc * Option to REQUIRE pressing F2 or Enter to switch to cell edit mode and ignore any data entry attempts otherwise + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155891 + option to disallow direct input in Calc (F2 always required) All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday Jul/27, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00094.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jul-19
Present: Heiko Comments: Dieter, Cor, Ady Tickets/Topics * Add Favorites section to Formula Editor + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156188 + add "last used" similar to functions in Calc (Heiko) => do it * EDITING: Extending selection to next word includes after-word space + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155949 + support the proposal for consistency (Dieter) + no need to select for DF on a single word (Cor) => recommend to not implement but keep open for further input * Animation deck 'Play' button should be positioned to lead edge of deck, so always visible + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156192 + like the suggestion (Cor) => do it * Choose which adjacent column of a "double clicked" formula dictates the extent of the fill + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149356 + proposal not clear (Ady) + Instead of only considering the "left-side" column (or "prior") for RTL/CTL cases) + autofill action will remain the same; the difference is that both-sides adjacent columns are considered instead of just the "prior" + unclear what happens when hidden columns are adjacent + No new shortcuts => implement alt+click to autofill on the opposite site => change behavior depending on LTR/RTL and rename into prior (left for LTR) and after (at least in the documentation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Jul-27 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Jul/27, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Allow to invert selection in Autofilter + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156305 + add the option? * Get Rid of the Red Background Color in Find Box + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156227 + make "Search key not found" label red instead of the input highlight? * The "increase indent" icon has no effect after reaching cell border + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114452 + increase indent beyond visible area or fix the issue with merged cells and disable the command when at the limit? * Pivot table - enable subtotals by default + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155130 + add an option or follow Roman's suggestion in c10? * continue fulfilling input fields + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101625 + rework the dialog from ground or just hide the Edit button or WF? All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Wednesday Jul/19, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00090.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jul-13
Oh, no, no, no, come on... I know I wasn't in the session (which I couldn't since it was in the middle of a workday), but - there had been extensive discussion on the bug pages, and the session itself seems to have just ignore it all. This is really exasperating. -- > * Autocorrect replaces " - " with " – " instead of " — " > (en-dash instead of em-dash) > + typically two hyphen is an EN-dash, three EM (Heiko) I've explained several times on the bug page that this bug is not about when people are trying to explicitly express a choice between the two kinds of longer dashes. > + two dashes with / without spaces is kind of standard and > working like this in MSO (Hossein) Same point. Heiko had definitely read the bug page, so he should have known this already; Hossein - perhaps the bug was mis-described in the Jitsi session and you didn't have the time to read the comments? > + maybe drop the conversion of single hyphen (Stuart) (This is not a misinterpretation, but it may be inspired by the misinterpretation above) Of course not drop the conversion of a single hyphen! That's an very important autocorrect feature: Most people use minus/dash because they are unaware of the different types of dashes, or because they don't know / haven't thought about how to insert different kinds of dashes (or because they're lazy). This autocorrection helps improve the typesetting quality of the work of "lay users". > + clearly described in > https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/shared/01/06040100.html 1. It clearly says in the help page that space,minus,space is replaced with space,en-dash,space. Which is the behavior I'm suggesting be changed. 2. Help contents is never a justification for a choice of behavior of the app itself. > + two dashes without spaces like 1--2 is not correctly > converted (Heiko) That's interesting - but unrelated to this bug. Open a separate bug... No "bug hijacking" with something which is clearly not part of the scope of the original bug. > => bug; do not change the behavior as described in the help How does this conclusion relate even to what you guys were saying before?! And other than Stewart's position (which I disagree with but nullifies the question in this bug) - none of the discussants even tried to argue that it is better for text to have space,en-dash,space's instead of space,em-dash,space's. -- * Support distinction rather than override of conflicting subdocument styles + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155740 + unclear use case (David) + some confirmation per document (Shu) + if we better go with a global master switch (Heiko) + master documents are a special workflow aiming for style consistency, WF (Mike, Hossein) No, they aren't. A single document is the workflow for absolute style consistency. Master documents are workflows for composing a larger document from smaller documents, _which well be valid documents on their own_. + unclear use case (David) Second time this is said. Actually, third time, since this was said on the bug page, and I clarified. What about that did not seem clear? + copy/paste could solve alternative workflows (Shu) If it could, we wouldn't need master documents in the first place. And, again, that's just a repetition of points which had been made, and rebutted, on the bug page. To make them again, one must address and reject the rebuttal. --- * When setting the Heading/Outline Numbering for a level to "None", still getting separators + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156089 + works like in MSO, WF (Justin) + no reason to block, WF (Heiko) + asking to _clear_ the separator fields in case of None (Eyal) + remembering "Chapter/:" is not a (good) solution since users may change it for None into "-/>", or the like, making it very difficult to follow + behavior existing for years shouldn't change without good reasons (Hossein) + list style is something you shouldn't change multiple times Less frustrated about the objections here, but - the basic argument, which was not rebutted, is that our current behavior is the opposite of what the user expects to happen. An especially problematic argument is "this has been the behavior for years". Most of the bugs we consider in the design sessions are about behaviors LO has had for years. That's not an argument against addressing them, it's just a sign of the limitation of our resources. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jul-13
Present: Hossein, Cor, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Stephane, Shu, Eyal, David Tickets/Topics * Removing "contextual groups" from the list of NB variants + Justin resolved some related tickets as WF/WFM + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Guidelines/ToolBar + https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/12/21/evolving-past-the-restrictions-of-toolbars/. + pro removing: experimental state for long, some effort needed + con: would be a pity to just follow what others do + too many UI options anyway (Hossein) + unfortunately we do not have the manpower to improve these ideas + we have this ticket somewhere (Heiko) * Add an "all pages" view mode to Draw to scroll through all pages in canvas (without needing Page Pane) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156087 + similar to Writer's multiple-page view; expected by many users (Stephane, Shu) + Impress has the Slide Sorter in an extra view mode + Draw is not a PDF viewer, WF (Stuart) + missing function (Shu) + Draw is not meant to show multi-page documents, dup of bug 141732 or invalid (Eyal) => resolve WF * Rename "rotation object" to "solid of revolution" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156099 + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_of_revolution (Tuomas) + ODF defines "a three-dimensional rotation shape based on the given polygon"; the more convoluted "solid of revolution" while lexically correct adds nothing to the UI or the UX (Stuart) => resolve NAB * Support distinction rather than override of conflicting subdocument styles + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155740 + unclear use case (David) + some confirmation per document (Shu) + if we better go with a global master switch (Heiko) + master documents are a special workflow aiming for style consistency, WF (Mike, Hossein) + unclear use case (David) + copy/paste could solve alternative workflows (Shu) => resolve WF * When setting the Heading/Outline Numbering for a level to "None", still getting separators + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156089 + works like in MSO, WF (Justin) + no reason to block, WF (Heiko) + asking to _clear_ the separator fields in case of None (Eyal) + remembering "Chapter/:" is not a (good) solution since users may change it for None into "-/>", or the like, making it very difficult to follow + behavior existing for years shouldn't change without good reasons (Hossein) + list style is something you shouldn't change multiple times => resolve WF * Autocorrect replaces " - " with " – " instead of " — " (en-dash instead of em-dash) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156046 + maybe drop the conversion of single hyphen (Stuart) + typically two hyphen is an EN-dash, three EM (Heiko) + two dashes with / without spaces is kind of standard and working like this in MSO (Hossein) + clearly described in https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/shared/01/06040100.html + two dashes without spaces like 1--2 is not correctly converted (Heiko) => bug; do not change the behavior as described in the help -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Jul-19 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, July/19, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Add Favorites section to Formula Editor + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156188 * EDITING: Extending selection to next word includes after-word space + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155949 * Animation deck 'Play' button should be positioned to lead edge of deck, so always visible + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156192 * Choose which adjacent column of a "double clicked" formula dictates the extent of the fill + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149356 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday Jul/13, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00088.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jul-05
Present: Lupe, Bogdan, John, Rizal, Heiko Comments: Jean-Baptiste, Ady, Eyal, Hossein, Mike, Eike, Ilmari Tickets/Topics * default file names when printing workbook in PDF SUGGESTION : default file names when printing workbook in PDF + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144207 + automatically suggest a PDF file name + the first words of a text document does not express generally the contains of the document, might be sensitive (Jean-Baptiste) + we name documents "Untitled" when saving (Heiko) => don't do + automatically create several PDF files according to the choice indicated + add a checkbox below and indented under All with "[ ] Split workbook and create individual PDFs for every sheet", or the like (Heiko) + no harm in it but shouldn't be the default (John) => do it * Hash marks that indicate "cell too narrow" should expand according to the cell width + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155886 + agree with a _minimum_ of three # marks (Ady) + clutters the spreadsheet (Heiko) + filling with ##'s is better then having the arbitrary three #'s (Eyal, Hossein) + three hashes are easier to spot (Lupe) + unclear use case (John) => comment * Warning dialog shows only once for "Record changes" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147980 + not only about *protection* of the recording, but also about *controlling* (Mike) + add wording about the destructive nature of the action in the Calc case (Eike) + consider removing this checkbox entirely (Eyal) + unclear what is being destroyed (John) => investigate and suggest a text * "replace custom styles" option in AutoCorrect should be removed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140024 + agree (Stuart, Heiko) + totally unclear, "Custom Styles" could be Direct Formatting (Eyal) + removing it wouldn't be realized by many users anyway (John) + the lately introduced Spotlight feature shows styles clearly (Heiko) + use case is maybe on receiving a document from someone else all "alien" styles can be converted at once (Rizal) + rename the option maybe (Rizal) + perfectly clear (Heiko, John) + should be better switched off by default => forward to documentation with suggestion to add an example * proposal-option to remove whitespace characters (other than space) in "paste special", "clear direct formatting", Format->Text and in import dialog box + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148544 + clean() and trim() work well (Ilmari) + objective easy to achieve with inbuilt functions (Ady) + Users could also mark the undesired character as separator in the import dialogue and also check Merge delimiters + unclear use case (Eyal) + typically not added intentionally and suggested option would be convenient (Stuart, Rizal) => suggest to keep ticket open and wait for supporters -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Jul-13 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Jul/13, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Removing "contextual groups" from the list of NB variants + Justin resolved some related tickets as WF/WFM + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Guidelines/ToolBar + https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/12/21/evolving-past-the-restrictions-of-toolbars/. + pro removing: experimental state for long, some effort needed + con: would be a pity to just follow what others do * Add an "all pages" view mode to Draw to scroll through all pages in canvas (without needing Page Pane) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156087 + similar to Writer's multiple-page view; expected by many users (Stephane, Shu) + Impress has the Slide Sorter in an extra view mode + Draw is not a PDF viewer, WF (Stuart) * Rename "rotation object" to "solid of revolution" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156099 + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_of_revolution (Tuomas) + ODF defines "a three-dimensional rotation shape based on the given polygon"; WF (Stuart) * Support distinction rather than override of conflicting subdocument styles + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155740 + unclear use case (David) + some confirmation per document (Shu) + if we better go with a global master switch (Heiko) + master documents are a special workflow aiming for style consistency, WF (Mike) * When setting the Heading/Outline Numbering for a level to "None", still getting separators + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156089 + works like in MSO, WF (Justin) + no reason to block, WF (Heiko) + asking to _clear_ the separator fields in case of None (Eyal) * Autocorrect replaces " - " with " – " instead of " — " (en-dash instead of em-dash) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156046 + maybe drop the conversion of single hyphen (Stuart) + typically two hyphen is an EN-dash, three EM (Heiko) All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Wednesday Jul/05, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00086.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Official Conference Presentation Template
Hi all, for some of the LibreOffice Conferences there had been an "Official Conference Presentation Template". Will there be such template for the conference 2023? Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Jul-05 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, July/05, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * default file names when printing workbook in PDF + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144207 * Hash marks that indicate "cell too narrow" should expand according to the cell width + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155886 * Warning dialog shows only once for "Record changes" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147980 * "replace custom styles" option in AutoCorrect should be removed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140024 * proposal-option to remove whitespace characters (other than space) in "paste special", "clear direct formatting", Format->Text and in import dialog box + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148544 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 There is no meeting *this week* (scheduled Thursday Jun/29). Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy