Re: Do language packs have update notifications?
Am 30.07.2013 19:04, schrieb Rob Weir: In OOo 3.3.0 we support Tamil with a language pack, but not a full install. In AOO 4.0 we provide a full install for Tamil, as well as a language pack. Are we able to notify 3.3.0 users of the Tamil language pack about the update? Is that something the update notification system can handle? Or does it only handle updates to the base install? -Rob AFAIR they don't have an update functionality. Groetjes, Olaf - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.
Hey, I get embarrassed, I am not used to soo many positive words :-) thx a lot. @Donald, thx for your offer, This particular blog gains from being a bit rough, at least its a lot more me, but I will remember your offer to my next posting. @Rob, can you and/or donald please make the small adjustments that makes it more understandable (and more correct English), please edit it directly that is the easiest way, and let me know when its done. Once edited, then I hit publish ? rgds jan I. On 31 July 2013 02:30, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 30.07.13 23:59, schrieb janI: Hi A while ago we discussed to get more bloggers. Since I have 1 years birthday in a couple of days, I have made a blog. I am not a native speaker, so I assume there are some mistakes in there, feel free to correct them. But more importantly, is this a post we as community would like to make public ? https://blogs.apache.org/**preview/OOo/?previewEntry=** developer_in_aoo_1year_**celebrationhttps://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=developer_in_aoo_1year_celebration Please be gentle this is my first blog. I realy, realy, realy like this blog. Thank you, all of you, for working together. rgds jan I. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: first start of AOO 4
On 7/30/13 9:02 PM, Guenter Marxen wrote: Hi Jürgen, Am 30.07.2013 06:15, schrieb Juergen Schmidt: Am Montag, 29. Juli 2013 um 16:52 schrieb Guenter Marxen: ... The Spelling Checker Duden Korrektor 6.0.0 seems to be incompatibel with AOO 4 (loading component library failed...). Or has anybody other informations? The Duden corrector is a C++ extension and they become easier incompatible. But with the stlport change for AOO 4.0 it is natural that it is incompatible and needs at least a recompilation. Especially for C++ extensions the maintainer should use a max version dependency and should ensure if everything works. Even a compiler upgrade can cause an incompatible change. many thanks. I'll ask the Duden publisher and report, when an AOO4-version is available. (If I understand it correctly, since AOO 4 there is no longer extension compatibility with LO. I'm curious what Duden publisher decides.) I don't know for sure but LO did many more incompatible API changes as far as I know and I assume that depending on the API's an extension used the compatibility can be broken. But that has nothing with AOO alone to do. C++ extensions are always somewhat special and they can become incompatible simply because of a compiler upgrade that is necessary from time to time. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the original files of the release notes?
On 7/30/13 9:46 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: Ditto - please? On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello, Who has the original files from which the screenshots for the release-notes (eg http://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/c/c0/120962_MS.jpg) were made? (I do not mean the images of the UI elements, but for example the Calc files.) Can someone please make me available so that I can translate it to German and create German screenshots? I am not sure if that is what you are looking for http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Fidelity_Improvement_Since_AOO341 Juergen Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.
On 7/30/13 11:59 PM, janI wrote: Hi A while ago we discussed to get more bloggers. Since I have 1 years birthday in a couple of days, I have made a blog. I am not a native speaker, so I assume there are some mistakes in there, feel free to correct them. But more importantly, is this a post we as community would like to make public ? https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=developer_in_aoo_1year_celebration Please be gentle this is my first blog. Hi Jan, a very nice written and balanced blog post, I like it very much and I am still looking forward to meet you in person for a glass of wine or two or three ;-) Juergen rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:18:46 +0200 janI j...@apache.org wrote: @Rob, can you and/or donald please make the small adjustments that makes it more understandable (and more correct English), please edit it directly that is the easiest way, and let me know when its done. To aid understanding, on first use of acronyms, put full name or explanation in brackets. ASF, AOO and PMC (particularly PMC) need explanation. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Do language packs have update notifications?
Hi, On 30.07.2013 19:04, Rob Weir wrote: In OOo 3.3.0 we support Tamil with a language pack, but not a full install. In AOO 4.0 we provide a full install for Tamil, as well as a language pack. Are we able to notify 3.3.0 users of the Tamil language pack about the update? Is that something the update notification system can handle? Or does it only handle updates to the base install? As far as I know and have seen in my checks the update function in AOO/OOo only searches for new updates for the language of the full installation package. The language of the full installation package is found in the version.ini|vesionrc of the installation which is composed together with the application name and its version into the value of 'UpdateID' - e.g. UpdateID=OpenOffice_4_en-US for en-US full installation package of AOO 4.0 Best regards, Oliver. -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Website]
Hi, On 30.07.2013 18:39, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Mattias BIK Service matt...@bikab.com wrote: Hello For christ sake. Every time i trying to download openoffice there is almost impossible to find the right download page. Im from Sweden and and if the current version is not supported by Swedish, put a link to an older version then. How hard can it be? Tired of searching for download links now. No reply of this mail is needed. I just have to blow of some steem after bringing some time on ur website. One easy way we can improve here. How about modifying this page: http://www.openoffice.org/download/ And where it currently has the line that says: Signatures and Hashes: KEYS , ASC , MD5 , SHA256 | Release Notes | Legacy Version Change that to: Signatures and Hashes: KEYS , ASC , MD5 , SHA256 | Release Notes | Older AOO Versions | Legacy OpenOffice.org And then make Older AOO Versions link to the old 3.4.1-era download/other.html file, which we could resurrect from SVN. Would that work? Looking into the issue a little more. It gets a little more complicated. We're still seeing a fair number of update notifications (around 80,000 in the last week) being sent to older OOo installs, 3.3.0 and even 3.2.1. I don't know what this is happening, but it is. Maybe they are finding an old copy of a CD and installing it and then immediately getting the update notification? It can happen. The update notifications are generally sending them to http://www.openoffice.org/download. When this occurs with a language that was included in 3.4.1 but not in 4.0 then this is a problem. They are looking for Swedish, for example, and it cannot be found. For this particular kind of user, I'm not sure a small link labeled Older AOO Versions will help. It would be very unintuitive for the user to look there, because from their perspective they are looking for a newer version and 3.4.1 is newer than what they have, not older. A couple of ways to plug this hole: 1) Enhance the download logic on the main page to offer the most recent version available for the detected language. Or does it already try to do that? or 2) Change the update notifications so the user is sent to the 3.4.1-era other.html page, so they can more easily find their download. Actually, thinking out loud, this might be the easiest solution. And we can still add the Older AOO Versions, which would be good for a different kind of user, someone specifically looking for a 3.4.1 download. This might even be our own QA volunteers ;-) Thanks for adjusting the update notification XML feeds - change the download links to the 3.4.1 one, if corresponding language is not available. I have overseen with problem, when I provided the patches for our AOO 4.0 release. Best regards, Oliver. Regards, -Rob Unfortuntely the legacy directory structure, with its stable and localized directories is too weird to point users to directly. -Rob Regards Mattias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.
Rory O'Farrell wrote: To aid understanding, on first use of acronyms, put full name or explanation in brackets. ASF, AOO and PMC (particularly PMC) need explanation. This is my only remark too: at least, let's expand ASF and link it to apache.org. For the rest, nice post! Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.
On 31 July 2013 12:54, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rory O'Farrell wrote: To aid understanding, on first use of acronyms, put full name or explanation in brackets. ASF, AOO and PMC (particularly PMC) need explanation. This is my only remark too: at least, let's expand ASF and link it to apache.org. For the rest, nice post! bracket changes done, picture added. Now I just hope for the native hand/eye of rob/donald. rgds jan I. Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar
On 30/07/2013 Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: If your extension is compatible with AOO 4.0, please take a moment to update the extension's compatibility information so that end-users will know it works with the latest release. If your extension is not compatible Is it clear how to do this? Is there any doc we should point them to for this? The best resource we have at the moment is Hanya's list of API changes, on the mwiki. I linked to it from http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/Extensions_and_Apache_OpenOffice_4.0 Due to the several messages already seen about this topic, I added the Extensions compatibility to the Release Notes at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes giving also a link to the above page. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Revert general point reducing for charts, indroduced to solve Excel import problem
Hi all, an Excel chart with lot of points hanged on opening [1] and that was fixed with r1388440. But it was done in a way, that it has undesirable effects. Now charts which much data points, that show well in AOO3.4.1, are broken. [3][4] There exists already a data point reduction to eliminate identical points for rendering, see class PlottingPositionHelper and its use. There the time consuming rendering is reduced, but the data series itself are not changed. I think, that the way as it is done in [2], reducing the points in the data series itself in general, is not the best approach, and it should be reverted to solve the regression introduced by it. Kind regards Regina [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121058 [2] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=1388440 [3] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122822 [4] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122907 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.
Moving conversation to dev@ On 31 July 2013 13:28, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/31/13 1:07 PM, janI wrote: Hi. Based on a discussion today on IRC, I would like to draw your attention to the following challenge. henkp is cc because he is the infra person doing the rsync magic. ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the project graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored under incubator. As part of cleaning rsync, infra want to enforce the policy, but of course respect and understand our need to have 3.4.1 available to users (especially because 3.4.1 contains languages not released in 4.0). I see the following possibilities: 1) remove openoffice from incubator, but leave version 3.3.0 and 3.4.1 (with language packs) on the SF mirror. This is preferred by infra. +1 to keep it on SF 2) remove 3.3.0 since its a legacy version, and move 3.4.1 parallel to 4.0. This is however an expensive operation for all mirror, and should only be done if we anticipate patches for 3.4.1 Removing 3.3 is ok to me but I see demand for keeping 3.4.1. Having it besides 4.0 would be natural but needs some work in the download scripts ... Just for me, do you prefer 1) or 2) ... I personally dont see a big need to keep 3.4.1 on our servers. rgds jan I. 3) persuade infra to keep incubator for 3.4.1, but limit the footprint as much as possible, remove 3.3.0 and put a timelimit up. I believe we can manage to move it out of the incubator in some way. We are also adviced, that if/when we change our layout infra need to be adviced well in advance. In my opinion we should consider not using externaldist, but have the total release in one folder with subfolders. Well externaldist was not our idea and I copied the files in this structure of advice from infra. We should first clarify what's preferred here. externaldist caused some confusion and extra work on our side as well. We can move the discussion to dev@ is nobody objects. yes let's move to dev Juergen rgds jan I.
Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar
Hi, On 31.07.2013 13:12, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 30/07/2013 Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: If your extension is compatible with AOO 4.0, please take a moment to update the extension's compatibility information so that end-users will know it works with the latest release. If your extension is not compatible Is it clear how to do this? Is there any doc we should point them to for this? The best resource we have at the moment is Hanya's list of API changes, on the mwiki. I linked to it from http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/Extensions_and_Apache_OpenOffice_4.0 I have added some words about the user profile migration which handles user-installed extensions. Best regards, Oliver. Due to the several messages already seen about this topic, I added the Extensions compatibility to the Release Notes at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes giving also a link to the above page. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.
janI wrote: ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the project graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored under incubator. What is important is that the Apache archives (so, not all the mirrors, but at least the archives) contain all legacy versions of OpenOffice[.org] from 1.x to 3.4.1. Coordinating with Henk and Infra, I've already done, over the last weeks, a significant number of updates to http://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html and other pages to redirect links to the archives, and I have some still pending. If I understood correctly, we will also have to consolidate the archives so that http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/ and http://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/ are merged. When this is done, for me it's fine to remove 3.3.0 and 3.4.1 from the Apache mirrors (or the subset of Apache mirrors that are serving them at the moment) keeping only the copy in the archives. The number of languages that are released in 3.4.1 but not in 4.0.0 is small, so it should not generate a huge traffic, and I hope that we can fill the gap soon. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Atualização do openoffice para appache 4.0.
Hi Regina, you send to an international mailing list where the main language is English. I can't say anythig to your problem at the moment but we will take a look in it ... Juergen Hi list, I used Google translate to get an impression of the content ### Hello, good morning! We are users of openoffice for about 6 years and we have tried to keep us updated with your products, so thank you for already exist. We now have a problem with the update that did the 3.0 to 4.0 appache. In fact a huge amount of documents parameterized the spreadsheet, the update to be made were desparametrizados. Specifically talk about documents that you send as attached, in which the text was all pushed to the right, having been completely out of the margins we need to correct data that we use A4 sheets previously printed in fields that are invisible in this document that we send you. How can we fix the problem without having to do each document? We appreciate your support. With best regards. ### On 7/31/13 11:09 AM, Socipartan Comercial wrote: Olá, bom dia! Somos utilizadores do openoffice há cerca de 6 anos e temos procurado manter-nos atualizados com os vossos produtos, por isso desde já obrigado por existirem. Temos agora um problema com a atualização que fizemos do 3.0 para o appache 4.0. Na verdade uma quantidade imensa de documentos parametrizados na folha de cálculo, ao ser feita a atualização ficaram desparametrizados. Em concreto falo de documentos como o que vos enviamos em anexo, nos quais o texto foi todo empurrado para a direita, tendo ficado completamente fora das margens que necessitamos corrigir dado que utilizamos folhas de papel A4 préviamente impressas em campos que são invisíveis neste documento que vos enviamos. Como poderemos corrigir o problema sem necessitar de o fazer documento a documento? Agradecemos o vosso apoio. Com os melhores cumprimentos. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Migration of User Settings from OOo3 to AOO4.0
Hi On 10.07.2013 12:03, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, the first start wizard has an option to migrate user settings from an installed version 3. For me it is a highly customized OOo3.4.1. These are my observations: Transfer of BASIC libraries works. Transfer of path settings does not work. I consider this a bug, because this looses templates, autotexts .., which are not at the default place. I suggest a release note to explain, that they are not really lost, but the paths have to be added. Transfer of palettes work. But that is a problem, because the new color palette is not available. People might have customized palettes, with colors for corporate identity for example. So transferring the palettes is not wrong in general. Perhaps a merging of the palettes is possible in future? Because of the short time till release I suggest to explain the situation in a release note. The new default palettes are available in a folder User - Kopie (for a German Windows 7). Transfer of user dictionaries work. Transfer of user gallery themes work. Transfer of user autotexts works. Transfer of own toolbars works, including rename of commands. Only the position is different. Transfer of customized toolbars works partially. Additional commands are available, but own names of these commands are not transfered. The show/hide status of the default commands is not transfered. Deleted default commands appear again. So the user needs to customize the toolbar again. Thanks for this evaluation. I would like to improve the migration of OpenOffice 3.x user profiles for the next release. Regina, it would be great, if you could create corresponding issues for the stuff that is not working or which could be improved. You can assign these issue to me. May a meta issue for tracking these new issues would also make sense. And if you could also make your AOO 3.4.1 user profile available - may be only to me - for debugging and testing purposes then this would be also very appreciated. Best regards, Oliver. Kind regards Regina - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013, janI wrote: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:33:50 +0200 From: janI j...@apache.org To: dev dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: janI j...@apache.org, Henk P. Penning penn...@uu.nl, priv...@openoffice.apache.org priv...@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal. Moving conversation to dev@ On 31 July 2013 13:28, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/31/13 1:07 PM, janI wrote: Hi. Based on a discussion today on IRC, I would like to draw your attention to the following challenge. henkp is cc because he is the infra person doing the rsync magic. ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the project graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored under incubator. As part of cleaning rsync, infra want to enforce the policy, but of course respect and understand our need to have 3.4.1 available to users (especially because 3.4.1 contains languages not released in 4.0). I see the following possibilities: 1) remove openoffice from incubator, but leave version 3.3.0 and 3.4.1 (with language packs) on the SF mirror. This is preferred by infra. +1 to keep it on SF This getting confused very quickly. As far as I'm concerned (or infra) nothing changes on SF, until the next AOO release. The only concern now is dist/incubator/ooo ; -- incubator/ooo now only has 3.4.1 -- it is on the mirrors -- for 3.4.1 (and older versions) http://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html does NOT point to incubator/ooo anymore ; it points to archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/ for stuff that once was in dist/incubator/ooo. -- if there are no other download pages pointing to www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo then dist/incubator/ooo can be safely removed. Agree? Or are there other issues I forget? If there ever comes a 3.4.2, we'll then consider the options. 3) persuade infra to keep incubator for 3.4.1, but limit the footprint as much as possible, remove 3.3.0 and put a timelimit up. I believe we can manage to move it out of the incubator in some way. We are also adviced, that if/when we change our layout infra need to be adviced well in advance. In my opinion we should consider not using externaldist, but have the total release in one folder with subfolders. Well externaldist was not our idea and I copied the files in this structure of advice from infra. We should first clarify what's preferred here. externaldist caused some confusion and extra work on our side as well. ... I'm not happy with externaldist also. But it is another matter. The plan now is (if AOO agrees) : -- to exclude dist/openoffice/4.0.0/binaries for the mirrors -- to copy 4.0.0/binaries into dist/openoffice/4.0.0/binaries -- to create a new module for SF (and communicate this with SF) ; this would NOT change the 4.0.0 files on SF ; it would just change (a little) the way SF gets the binaries. The third issue is putting 4.0.0 binaries on the mirrors ; there was some demand on mirrors.a.o. Can we, for now limit the discussion on 'incubator/ooo' ? Maybe Jurgen and I can discuss 'externaldist' off-line ; if Jurgen is comfortable with that ; if necessary we can discuss a proposal here later. Regards, Henk Penning _ Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof BBL-761 _/ \_ Faculty of Science, Utrecht UniversityT +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \ Princetonplein 5, 3584CC Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/ http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penn...@uu.nl \_/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:08:53 +0200 From: Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Henk P. Penning penn...@uu.nl Subject: Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal. janI wrote: ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the project graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored under incubator. Hi Andrea, What is important is that the Apache archives (so, not all the mirrors, but at least the archives) contain all legacy versions of OpenOffice[.org] from 1.x to 3.4.1. Stuff is never deleted from archive.apache.org ; so that's ok. Coordinating with Henk and Infra, I've already done, over the last weeks, a significant number of updates to http://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html and other pages to redirect links to the archives, and I have some still pending. Ah, thanks for the info. If I understood correctly, we will also have to consolidate the archives so that http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/ and http://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/ are merged. Absolutely not ; such changes in archive.apache.org are never made ; archive.a.o/dist/ is just a copy of www.apache.org/dist/ without deletes. Andrea. Regards, Henk Penning _ Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof BBL-761 _/ \_ Faculty of Science, Utrecht UniversityT +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \ Princetonplein 5, 3584CC Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/ http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penn...@uu.nl \_/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:33 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: Moving conversation to dev@ On 31 July 2013 13:28, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/31/13 1:07 PM, janI wrote: Hi. Based on a discussion today on IRC, I would like to draw your attention to the following challenge. henkp is cc because he is the infra person doing the rsync magic. ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the project graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored under incubator. As part of cleaning rsync, infra want to enforce the policy, but of course respect and understand our need to have 3.4.1 available to users (especially because 3.4.1 contains languages not released in 4.0). I see the following possibilities: 1) remove openoffice from incubator, but leave version 3.3.0 and 3.4.1 (with language packs) on the SF mirror. This is preferred by infra. +1 to keep it on SF 2) remove 3.3.0 since its a legacy version, and move 3.4.1 parallel to 4.0. This is however an expensive operation for all mirror, and should only be done if we anticipate patches for 3.4.1 Removing 3.3 is ok to me but I see demand for keeping 3.4.1. Having it besides 4.0 would be natural but needs some work in the download scripts ... Just for me, do you prefer 1) or 2) ... I personally dont see a big need to keep 3.4.1 on our servers. INHO it is fine to keep 3.4.1 and early on archive.apache.org and SF only, provided Infra is OK with us pointing our website links for the hashes and signatures of 3.4.1 and earlier to archive and not to the dist. I don't think the bandwidth will be significant for these. -Rob rgds jan I. 3) persuade infra to keep incubator for 3.4.1, but limit the footprint as much as possible, remove 3.3.0 and put a timelimit up. I believe we can manage to move it out of the incubator in some way. We are also adviced, that if/when we change our layout infra need to be adviced well in advance. In my opinion we should consider not using externaldist, but have the total release in one folder with subfolders. Well externaldist was not our idea and I copied the files in this structure of advice from infra. We should first clarify what's preferred here. externaldist caused some confusion and extra work on our side as well. We can move the discussion to dev@ is nobody objects. yes let's move to dev Juergen rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:08 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 31 July 2013 12:54, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rory O'Farrell wrote: To aid understanding, on first use of acronyms, put full name or explanation in brackets. ASF, AOO and PMC (particularly PMC) need explanation. This is my only remark too: at least, let's expand ASF and link it to apache.org. For the rest, nice post! bracket changes done, picture added. Now I just hope for the native hand/eye of rob/donald. I'm done. It looks good to go from my perspective. Btw, is that a personal observatory/telescope in the background of the photo? -Rob rgds jan I. Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Do language packs have update notifications?
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:50 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, On 30.07.2013 19:04, Rob Weir wrote: In OOo 3.3.0 we support Tamil with a language pack, but not a full install. In AOO 4.0 we provide a full install for Tamil, as well as a language pack. Are we able to notify 3.3.0 users of the Tamil language pack about the update? Is that something the update notification system can handle? Or does it only handle updates to the base install? As far as I know and have seen in my checks the update function in AOO/OOo only searches for new updates for the language of the full installation package. The language of the full installation package is found in the version.ini|vesionrc of the installation which is composed together with the application name and its version into the value of 'UpdateID' - e.g. UpdateID=OpenOffice_4_en-US for en-US full installation package of AOO 4.0 OK. This should be OK. If a 3.3.0 user was running base en-US (or en-GB) with Tamil langpack, then they will get an upgrade notification based on the new 4.0 English version. But then the locale-detection logic on /download/index.html will see that their browser locale is Tamil and recommend the full Tamil install of 4.0. So I think the most common cases will work fine. The odd exception would be if their 3.3.0 base was, say, Swedish. In that case they will not be notified about an upgrade (Swedish is not in 4.0 yet) even though we do have a fill Tamil version. Regards, -Rob Best regards, Oliver. -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Revert general point reducing for charts, indroduced to solve Excel import problem
On 31.07.2013 13:25, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, an Excel chart with lot of points hanged on opening [1] and that was fixed with r1388440. But it was done in a way, that it has undesirable effects. Now charts which much data points, that show well in AOO3.4.1, are broken. [3][4] There exists already a data point reduction to eliminate identical points for rendering, see class PlottingPositionHelper and its use. There the time consuming rendering is reduced, but the data series itself are not changed. I think, that the way as it is done in [2], reducing the points in the data series itself in general, is not the best approach, Agreed, the data series itself should not be tampered with. Reducing the details only for visualization (i.e. in the chart module) is a much better approach. If reducing is desirable that is; but with Calc handling a million rows since OOo 3.3 its now too easy to make AOO's chart hang. Even millions of display items shouldn't be a problem on todays hardware. AFAIK the scalability problem comes notifications triggering other notification resulting in avalanche of them. Solving that would be best. and it should be reverted to solve the regression introduced by it. It is a bad regression indeed. The change that introduced it had bad problems because it only handled integers, some indices were not properly initialized and values other than minimum and maximum were ignored. We have solutions for the first two problems and another fix introducing some additional random sampling is easy. Until the chart-reduction or even better the notification-avalanche problems are solved maybe we should go with these suggested fixes as an intermediate step. Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Integrate Traditional Chinese into Chunk (Was: Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2))
On 2013/07/19 00:33, Ricardo Berlasso said: 2013/7/18 imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw On 2013/07/18 19:09, Jürgen Schmidt said: On 7/18/13 1:07 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 7/18/13 12:00 PM, imacat wrote: Dear all, and please create a task for this And how to create a task? Sorry I haven't done that before. Just create a new issue in bugzilla and assign it to Jürgen. Sorry that I return to this issue so late. I was having problem logging in and was on my master thesis oral exam. I have created an issue, but I guess I do not have the privilege to assign to Jürgen. https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122913 Please help me on this issue (both the privilege and the Traditional Chinese build). Thanks. Regards Ricardo And thanks to you and everyone for all these works for the release of 4.0. Sorry that I did not help much on this. -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Integrate Traditional Chinese into Chunk (Was: Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2))
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:01 AM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: On 2013/07/19 00:33, Ricardo Berlasso said: 2013/7/18 imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw On 2013/07/18 19:09, Jürgen Schmidt said: On 7/18/13 1:07 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 7/18/13 12:00 PM, imacat wrote: Dear all, and please create a task for this And how to create a task? Sorry I haven't done that before. Just create a new issue in bugzilla and assign it to Jürgen. Sorry that I return to this issue so late. I was having problem logging in and was on my master thesis oral exam. I have created an issue, but I guess I do not have the privilege to assign to Jürgen. I just now gave you permissions. Regards, -Rob https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122913 Please help me on this issue (both the privilege and the Traditional Chinese build). Thanks. Regards Ricardo And thanks to you and everyone for all these works for the release of 4.0. Sorry that I did not help much on this. -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.
On Jul 31, 2013 3:07 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:08 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 31 July 2013 12:54, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rory O'Farrell wrote: To aid understanding, on first use of acronyms, put full name or explanation in brackets. ASF, AOO and PMC (particularly PMC) need explanation. This is my only remark too: at least, let's expand ASF and link it to apache.org. For the rest, nice post! bracket changes done, picture added. Now I just hope for the native hand/eye of rob/donald. I'm done. It looks good to go from my perspective. thx a lot, I dont undrstand why the pivture is so small, its bigger in media files. Btw, is that a personal observatory/telescope in the background of the photo? yup, family hobby, I work on a webcam microcontroller stack, to take and assemble deep space fotos. rgds jan i -Rob rgds jan I. Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:22 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On Jul 31, 2013 3:07 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:08 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 31 July 2013 12:54, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rory O'Farrell wrote: To aid understanding, on first use of acronyms, put full name or explanation in brackets. ASF, AOO and PMC (particularly PMC) need explanation. This is my only remark too: at least, let's expand ASF and link it to apache.org. For the rest, nice post! bracket changes done, picture added. Now I just hope for the native hand/eye of rob/donald. I'm done. It looks good to go from my perspective. thx a lot, I dont undrstand why the pivture is so small, its bigger in media files. You can control it by switching to markup mode and adjusting the width and height parameters. The original image was 1024px high, so probably too large. But you can adjust as you wish. Also, it looked like the image and first paragraph are in a table? I don't know if that was intentional or something the editor did. Btw, is that a personal observatory/telescope in the background of the photo? yup, family hobby, I work on a webcam microcontroller stack, to take and assemble deep space fotos. Cool. I tried that a few years ago, with a Registax and video from a Phillips web cam. Nothing serious, just some pictures of the the moon and mars. But it well very impressive to see that techniques used by professional astronomers when I was as student, like image deconvolution and wavelet transforms, were now available for anyone to use with inexpensive hardware. Today I think anyone in their backyard can make better images than the largest telescope in the world could make in 1940. -Rob rgds jan i -Rob rgds jan I. Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Integrate Traditional Chinese into Chunk (Was: Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2))
On 7/31/13 4:01 PM, imacat wrote: On 2013/07/19 00:33, Ricardo Berlasso said: 2013/7/18 imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw On 2013/07/18 19:09, Jürgen Schmidt said: On 7/18/13 1:07 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 7/18/13 12:00 PM, imacat wrote: Dear all, and please create a task for this And how to create a task? Sorry I haven't done that before. Just create a new issue in bugzilla and assign it to Jürgen. Sorry that I return to this issue so late. I was having problem logging in and was on my master thesis oral exam. I have created an issue, but I guess I do not have the privilege to assign to Jürgen. https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122913 it's on trunk now Please help me on this issue (both the privilege and the Traditional Chinese build). Thanks. we will include it in the next snapshots. You can always build trunk on your own for the platform you need. Or let us know which platform you prefer and we will see what we can do. Juergen Regards Ricardo And thanks to you and everyone for all these works for the release of 4.0. Sorry that I did not help much on this. -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Summary of AOO 4.0 download activity for 1st week
We released AOO 4.0 on July 23nd, mid-day UTC. We only have summary data for full days, so the following is really for 6.5 days of AOO 4.0, through July 29th. 1,257,653 total downloads (full installs, not including langpacks). In comparison, the 1st 7 days of AOO 3.4.0 saw around 750K downloads, and the 1st week of AOO 3.4.1 saw 1.1M downloads. So we're seeing some nice growth. In graphical form you can see it here: http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html Drilling down a little we see that the downloads were: 85% Windows 13% Mac 2% Linux Of the Linux downloads, 57% were 32-bit, 43% were 64-bit. 49% took the DEB packages, 51% the RPM. The top 10 downloads by language were: en_US 497,089 de 170,089 fr 148,619 it 88,931 ja 76,421 es 68,051 ru 52,756 en_GB 49,560 nl 20,649 pt_BR 18,341 Note also: We're about it hit the 60 million mark for total AOO downloads (all versions) probably by tomorrow. The count stands at 59,739,479 yesterday. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:59 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: Hi A while ago we discussed to get more bloggers. Since I have 1 years birthday in a couple of days, I have made a blog. I am not a native speaker, so I assume there are some mistakes in there, feel free to correct them. But more importantly, is this a post we as community would like to make public ? https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=developer_in_aoo_1year_celebration Please be gentle this is my first blog. rgds jan I. LOVE it! A wonderful personal perspective! -- - MzK Success is falling nine times and getting up ten. -- Jon Bon Jovi
Re: [DISCUSSION] Should source changes require [discussion] and/or issue submission?
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Jul 30, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:00 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 29 July 2013 23:05, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Kay Schenk wrote: http://www.openoffice.org/**marketing/art/galleries/logos/**aoo-working/ http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/aoo-working/ Last week, two of the original svg files -- files prefixed with: Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_**selected_2013-06 were changed. These changes were not discussed in advance, nor an issue submitted for them. Given the events of the day, it was the PMC's decision to not veto these changes, but to copy these changed originals Thank you Kay for the reminder. I added a WARNING.txt file to the aoo-working directory to help avoiding changes that have not been discussed here first. I like the WARNING.txt file, could we agree to use the same file for other sensible (not sure if that is the right word) areas ? I think of e.g. release notes. So, back the original topic. Given recent events, do we want to have a changed policy to require issue submission and/or list discussion before new commits? I'd say we don't need it in general; it will be helpful for all significant code changes, but surely we don't need it for the website. Let's rely on common sense and peer scrutiny. +1, lets not make it too complicated to work, that said with a smile !! For significant code changes, a discussion is a must, but I thought it was already policy ? I'm ok with adding WARNING.txt as appropriate. I can see that there may be either of two types of warnings. Full RTC - where any change including additions should be discussed. Adds CTR and updates RTC - where changes to existing artifacts require discussion. The branding tree and release notes are examples of where this is in affect. I think this is a sensible approach -- documenting certain areas/entities (release notes were on CWiki this time) that requires more discussion or are specified as RTC by default. We don't have a branding area yet, but we may soon. It may be that changes are being made and reviewed during the discussion. We wouldn't be so strict. For example before the 4.1 release. Rob may start to create release notes by adding and then making a series of modifications. There would be a [DISCUSS] Starting release notes. We wouldn't need a discussion for every little change. It is more we want to be aware these are happening. The community can then help in very way from criticism to translation to whatever. Regards, Dave rgds jan I. Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org Here is some information on decision making/discussions: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/decision-making.html http://community.apache.org/committers/ http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles I could not find any specific rules on when decision making should be used. In OpenOffice, it is used on a regular basis for many different changes, but WHEN to use it doesn't seem to be set in stone. And it looks like, some projects have defined their own criteria. -- - MzK Success is falling nine times and getting up ten. -- Jon Bon Jovi - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK Success is falling nine times and getting up ten. -- Jon Bon Jovi
Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.
Excellent, very personal! Two little typos: Second line: The sponsorship allows Last line: living in southern Spain -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Summary of AOO 4.0 download activity for 1st week
On 31 July 2013 19:18, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/31/13 5:51 PM, Rob Weir wrote: We released AOO 4.0 on July 23nd, mid-day UTC. We only have summary data for full days, so the following is really for 6.5 days of AOO 4.0, through July 29th. 1,257,653 total downloads (full installs, not including langpacks). In comparison, the 1st 7 days of AOO 3.4.0 saw around 750K downloads, and the 1st week of AOO 3.4.1 saw 1.1M downloads. So we're seeing some nice growth. In graphical form you can see it here: http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html Drilling down a little we see that the downloads were: 85% Windows 13% Mac 2% Linux Of the Linux downloads, 57% were 32-bit, 43% were 64-bit. 49% took the DEB packages, 51% the RPM. The top 10 downloads by language were: en_US 497,089 de 170,089 fr 148,619 it 88,931 ja 76,421 es 68,051 ru 52,756 en_GB 49,560 nl 20,649 pt_BR 18,341 Note also: We're about it hit the 60 million mark for total AOO downloads (all versions) probably by tomorrow. The count stands at 59,739,479 yesterday. some nice numbers for the end of the day, thanks for sharing Rob indeed nice numbers. Question is how can we tell the world that we are growing, in a polite and non-war-starting way. rgds jan I. Juergen Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.
On 31 July 2013 18:01, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: Excellent, very personal! Two little typos: Second line: The sponsorship allows Last line: living in southern Spain thanks changed. rgds jan I. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Is anyone else having CMS errors?
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 30 July 2013 01:01, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:39 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 30 July 2013 00:34, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 07/28/2013 08:06 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: For example, when I try to apply Xuacu 's recent patch from the list I get this message: Not Found The requested URL /ooo-site/wc/diff/robweir-**anonymous-epVYtB/trunk/** content/ast/index.html was not found on this server. I get a similar error if I try to use the bookmarklet to edit other pages. Tried on two machines and saw this error yesterday as well. Anyone else seeing this? Now it's me who is getting this error. Maybe a subtile message that it's bedtime. ;-) Marcus I'm getting this error too now. So, I'm doing changes via local command line at the moment. I raised this on the Infra list. Tony had me try something that worked, resetting the working copy via the CMS: https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=1;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org It worked for me. yah. PCtony gives good advice. I hope everyone is aware of the ongoing effort to move from roller to WP, if anybody has strong opinions it would to advantageous to raise it on nfrastruct...@apache.org I personally only have a question about security, how to avoid that anybody publishes a blog that has not been reveiewed. Simple: only allow committers to publish posts. This reduces the problem to one of only voting in committers we trust ;-) I don't think we need a formal workflow for this. And in fact there are some good grammar proofing plugins for WordPress. I use one on my personal blog and that way I avoid the kinds of errors I make in 1st drafts that I review at Apache. your knowledge could be helping us all build a better product, would you mind reposting on infrastructure@a.o with the specifics, I am sure pctony will be listening. I have some personal experience with WP (free edition) myself, and like the setup. I looked on the infra-dev list and didn't see any WP discussions. Is there any plan info posted someplace. I'm happy to review and comment. -Rob rgds jan I. -Rob rgds jan I. -Rob --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK Success is falling nine times and getting up ten. -- Jon Bon Jovi - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Is anyone else having CMS errors?
On 31 July 2013 19:52, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 30 July 2013 01:01, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:39 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 30 July 2013 00:34, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 07/28/2013 08:06 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: For example, when I try to apply Xuacu 's recent patch from the list I get this message: Not Found The requested URL /ooo-site/wc/diff/robweir-**anonymous-epVYtB/trunk/** content/ast/index.html was not found on this server. I get a similar error if I try to use the bookmarklet to edit other pages. Tried on two machines and saw this error yesterday as well. Anyone else seeing this? Now it's me who is getting this error. Maybe a subtile message that it's bedtime. ;-) Marcus I'm getting this error too now. So, I'm doing changes via local command line at the moment. I raised this on the Infra list. Tony had me try something that worked, resetting the working copy via the CMS: https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=1;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org It worked for me. yah. PCtony gives good advice. I hope everyone is aware of the ongoing effort to move from roller to WP, if anybody has strong opinions it would to advantageous to raise it on nfrastruct...@apache.org I personally only have a question about security, how to avoid that anybody publishes a blog that has not been reveiewed. Simple: only allow committers to publish posts. This reduces the problem to one of only voting in committers we trust ;-) I don't think we need a formal workflow for this. And in fact there are some good grammar proofing plugins for WordPress. I use one on my personal blog and that way I avoid the kinds of errors I make in 1st drafts that I review at Apache. your knowledge could be helping us all build a better product, would you mind reposting on infrastructure@a.o with the specifics, I am sure pctony will be listening. I have some personal experience with WP (free edition) myself, and like the setup. I looked on the infra-dev list and didn't see any WP discussions. Is there any plan info posted someplace. I'm happy to review and comment. its mainly a discussion on infra-p and IRC. pctony is the driving force to change to wp. But it seems the roller problem has been pinpointed, and I dont know how that reflects on the plans. rgds jan I. -Rob rgds jan I. -Rob rgds jan I. -Rob --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK Success is falling nine times and getting up ten. -- Jon Bon Jovi - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: A little question about other palttforms
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/31/13 6:40 PM, kalle hauser wrote: Dear AOO Devs, rob weir did a nice conclusion of the download statistic for AOO 4.0. 1. Congratulations to the growing interest for AOO and your sucessfull release of 4.0 2. The statistic shows that windows is the main plattform for AOO. Since Apples success with their touchscreen-powered smartphone and tablet, tablets with Android and iOS gets more and more important. Do you plan a mobile touchscreen-optimized version of AOO 4 in the future to be prepared for the shift from PC to mobil plattforms like Android or iOS? Whats about an AOO Version running in a webbrowser with cloud-connection (i personaly dont like clouds, but they get more and more popular)? I thinks its important to move with the changes in the IT-World to survive... I would say no concrete or detailed plans but we are watching what's going on and we would support any initiative to start working in this direction. AOO is based on an older and over year grown codebase and it is not the easiest task to make this beast ready for the future. Means it requires some work ... But again we are open for anything and if volunteers come up and want to work on this, we will help where we can ... My personal prediction: Google takes QuickOffice (which they acquired a few years ago) and makes it open source, under the Apache License 2.0, and it becomes the default consumer-grade productivity app on Android, but also remains very popular on iOS. -Rob Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Where can I find the original files of the release notes?
From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] I am not sure if that is what you are looking for http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Fidelity_Improve ment_Since_AOO341 Yes, thank you, those are the right documents. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.
Am 07/31/2013 05:50 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk: On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:59 PM, janIj...@apache.org wrote: Hi A while ago we discussed to get more bloggers. Since I have 1 years birthday in a couple of days, I have made a blog. I am not a native speaker, so I assume there are some mistakes in there, feel free to correct them. But more importantly, is this a post we as community would like to make public ? https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=developer_in_aoo_1year_celebration Please be gentle this is my first blog. rgds jan I. LOVE it! A wonderful personal perspective! ACK, even if it's already live. I only can add my +1 to it. Well down. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Summary of AOO 4.0 download activity for 1st week
Am 07/31/2013 05:51 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: We released AOO 4.0 on July 23nd, mid-day UTC. We only have summary data for full days, so the following is really for 6.5 days of AOO 4.0, through July 29th. 1,257,653 total downloads (full installs, not including langpacks). In comparison, the 1st 7 days of AOO 3.4.0 saw around 750K downloads, and the 1st week of AOO 3.4.1 saw 1.1M downloads. So we're seeing some nice growth. In graphical form you can see it here: http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html Drilling down a little we see that the downloads were: 85% Windows 13% Mac 2% Linux Of the Linux downloads, 57% were 32-bit, 43% were 64-bit. 49% took the DEB packages, 51% the RPM. The top 10 downloads by language were: en_US 497,089 de 170,089 fr 148,619 it 88,931 ja 76,421 es 68,051 ru 52,756 en_GB 49,560 nl 20,649 pt_BR 18,341 Note also: We're about it hit the 60 million mark for total AOO downloads (all versions) probably by tomorrow. The count stands at 59,739,479 yesterday. Thanks for the numbers and charts. It's always again impressive to see these hard facts. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Portable version (X-ApacheOpenOffice by winPenPack) updated
Am 07/31/2013 02:08 AM, schrieb Ricardo Berlasso: 2013/7/31 Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de Am 07/28/2013 10:18 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo): Am 07/28/2013 09:55 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher: On Jul 28, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/28/2013 06:28 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher: On Jul 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/28/2013 02:18 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 07/28/2013 01:56 PM, schrieb janI: On 28 July 2013 13:47, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 07/28/2013 12:37 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 24/07/2013 Hagar Delest wrote: Huge thanks for such reactivity indeed. But a lot of people are missing it due to the portable version being too hidden in our download infrastructure. What's the best solution to ensure that: 1) Users can actually find the portable version and 2) Users are correctly informed that this is a third-party port? My proposal (subject to lazy consensus or discussion here) would be to modify http://www.openoffice.org/download/http://www.openoffice.org/**download/ http://www.**openoffice.org/download/http://www.openoffice.org/download/ as follows: add it to the line that says Get all platforms, languages, language packs | Source Code tarballs and SDK | so that it becomes Get all platforms, languages, language packs | Source Code tarballs and SDK | Third-party and portable versions and to link the additional text to http://www.openoffice.org/porting/http://www.openoffice.org/**porting/ http://www.**openoffice.org/porting/http://www.openoffice.org/porting/ so that people are correctly informed. This also ensures that when/if we have other portable versions available nothing needs to be changed. To have a visible impression see here: http://ooo-site.staging.**apac**he.org/download/test/**index.** htmlhttp://apache.org/download/test/**index.html http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**index.htmlhttp://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index.html +1, is portings the right word ? my dictionary suggest ports, but I am no native speaker. Hm, my favorite online dictionary says portings. ;-) Let's see what our native speakers will say. ports is more usual in a software context. But portable is ambiguous, since it means two things: 1) capable of being ported to multiple platforms. 2) something you can carry. Since we offer portable code, ports of the binaries and a portable version, it is hard to avoid confusion here ;-) The link says: Portable USB version and other third-party portings I think Third-party ports including a portable USB version is better US English. and the title: Get Apache OpenOffice as portable USB version or choose from other third-party portings Get third-party ports of Apache OpenOffice including a portable USB version. I want to put the portable thing first as it seems to be the more important info. So, how to do it in better English? Link: Portable USB versions and third-party ports. Title: Get Apache OpenOffice software packaged as portable USB versions and third-party ports. Thanks, I've corrected the text. This little change is now also live. Looks nice! I've tried to implement this on the ES download site but almost break the page... I'm not on good relations with html (it's all OK, in fact I ended correcting a typo...). I'll look at this again later. If you need a helping hand, just give me a mail. Maybe you should wait a few days until the new webpage(s) have been settled down a bit with the last mirco fixes - as I can see already the next requests. Marcus Shouldn't this be enough to make it clear? Or is it better when I replace Portable USB version with Portable USB App? If we say App then users will be thinking App Store. OK Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Portable version (X-ApacheOpenOffice by winPenPack) updated
2013/7/31 Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de Am 07/31/2013 02:08 AM, schrieb Ricardo Berlasso: 2013/7/31 Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de Am 07/28/2013 10:18 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo): Am 07/28/2013 09:55 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher: On Jul 28, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/28/2013 06:28 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher: On Jul 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/28/2013 02:18 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 07/28/2013 01:56 PM, schrieb janI: On 28 July 2013 13:47, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 07/28/2013 12:37 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 24/07/2013 Hagar Delest wrote: Huge thanks for such reactivity indeed. But a lot of people are missing it due to the portable version being too hidden in our download infrastructure. What's the best solution to ensure that: 1) Users can actually find the portable version and 2) Users are correctly informed that this is a third-party port? My proposal (subject to lazy consensus or discussion here) would be to modify http://www.openoffice.org/**download/http://www.openoffice.org/download/ http://www.**openoffice.org/**download/http://www.openoffice.org/**download/ http://www.**openoffice.org/**download/http://openoffice.org/download/ http://www.**openoffice.org/download/http://www.openoffice.org/download/ as follows: add it to the line that says Get all platforms, languages, language packs | Source Code tarballs and SDK | so that it becomes Get all platforms, languages, language packs | Source Code tarballs and SDK | Third-party and portable versions and to link the additional text to http://www.openoffice.org/**porting/http://www.openoffice.org/porting/ http://www.**openoffice.org/**porting/http://www.openoffice.org/**porting/ http://www.**openoffice.org/**porting/http://openoffice.org/porting/ http://www.**openoffice.org/porting/http://www.openoffice.org/porting/ so that people are correctly informed. This also ensures that when/if we have other portable versions available nothing needs to be changed. To have a visible impression see here: http://ooo-site.staging.apac**he.org/download/test/ index.** http://he.org/download/test/**index.** htmlhttp://apache.org/**download/test/**index.htmlhttp://apache.org/download/test/**index.html http://ooo-site.staging.**apac**he.org/download/test/**index.** html http://apache.org/download/test/**index.html http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**index.htmlhttp://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index.html +1, is portings the right word ? my dictionary suggest ports, but I am no native speaker. Hm, my favorite online dictionary says portings. ;-) Let's see what our native speakers will say. ports is more usual in a software context. But portable is ambiguous, since it means two things: 1) capable of being ported to multiple platforms. 2) something you can carry. Since we offer portable code, ports of the binaries and a portable version, it is hard to avoid confusion here ;-) The link says: Portable USB version and other third-party portings I think Third-party ports including a portable USB version is better US English. and the title: Get Apache OpenOffice as portable USB version or choose from other third-party portings Get third-party ports of Apache OpenOffice including a portable USB version. I want to put the portable thing first as it seems to be the more important info. So, how to do it in better English? Link: Portable USB versions and third-party ports. Title: Get Apache OpenOffice software packaged as portable USB versions and third-party ports. Thanks, I've corrected the text. This little change is now also live. Looks nice! I've tried to implement this on the ES download site but almost break the page... I'm not on good relations with html (it's all OK, in fact I ended correcting a typo...). I'll look at this again later. If you need a helping hand, just give me a mail. Maybe you should wait a few days until the new webpage(s) have been settled down a bit with the last mirco fixes - as I can see already the next requests. Perfect! Many thanks! Regards Ricardo Marcus Shouldn't this be enough to make it clear? Or is it better when I replace Portable USB version with Portable USB App? If we say App then users will be thinking App Store. OK Marcus --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Website]
Am 07/31/2013 07:31 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 30/07/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 07/30/2013 04:02 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: Signatures and Hashes: KEYS , ASC , MD5 , SHA256 | Release Notes | Older AOO Versions | Legacy OpenOffice.org And then make Older AOO Versions link to the old 3.4.1-era download/other.html file, which we could resurrect from SVN. Would that work? Sure, in general yes. Should be a cheap solution. But I doubt that it is good for the user experience to put more and more into this small green box Maybe, to keep it more compact and avoid introducing two new acronyms, AOO and OOo, that are likely to confuse the user, this could be turned into Older versions: [3.4.1] [3.0.0] OK, changed - with the next publish. where 3.4.1 links to http://www.openoffice.org/download/other-341.html and 3.3.0 links to http://www.openoffice.org/download/legacy/index.html The intension was to give a differenciation on the first view. But maybe the webpage behind the link is explaining the respective release well enough or even better. BTW: I've noticed that the text is still old when JS is disabled. I've updated this, too. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.
Am 07/31/2013 01:33 PM, schrieb janI: Moving conversation to dev@ On 31 July 2013 13:28, Jürgen Schmidtjogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/31/13 1:07 PM, janI wrote: Hi. Based on a discussion today on IRC, I would like to draw your attention to the following challenge. henkp is cc because he is the infra person doing the rsync magic. ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the project graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored under incubator. As part of cleaning rsync, infra want to enforce the policy, but of course respect and understand our need to have 3.4.1 available to users (especially because 3.4.1 contains languages not released in 4.0). I see the following possibilities: 1) remove openoffice from incubator, but leave version 3.3.0 and 3.4.1 (with language packs) on the SF mirror. This is preferred by infra. +1 to keep it on SF 2) remove 3.3.0 since its a legacy version, and move 3.4.1 parallel to 4.0. This is however an expensive operation for all mirror, and should only be done if we anticipate patches for 3.4.1 Removing 3.3 is ok to me but I see demand for keeping 3.4.1. Having it besides 4.0 would be natural but needs some work in the download scripts ... Just for me, do you prefer 1) or 2) ... I personally dont see a big need to keep 3.4.1 on our servers. +1 to keep 3.4.1. But no need on Apache servers. On SF it should be enough. Marcus 3) persuade infra to keep incubator for 3.4.1, but limit the footprint as much as possible, remove 3.3.0 and put a timelimit up. I believe we can manage to move it out of the incubator in some way. We are also adviced, that if/when we change our layout infra need to be adviced well in advance. In my opinion we should consider not using externaldist, but have the total release in one folder with subfolders. Well externaldist was not our idea and I copied the files in this structure of advice from infra. We should first clarify what's preferred here. externaldist caused some confusion and extra work on our side as well. We can move the discussion to dev@ is nobody objects. yes let's move to dev Juergen rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[Extensions]User reports problem updating an extension
A Spanish user report problems updating an extension http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/professional-template-pack-ii-spanish (a translation to Professional Template Pack II - English) As you can see, there are two download entries: the lower one leads nowhere (the download site report file could not be found or is not available) while the other is an external link to google drive. The extension used to be hosted on an external server, but the user prefers to upload it on the extension site and delete the google drive link: the problem is that he is not able to do so. Note that the author maintain several other extensions (mainly, clip-arts) without problem. Maybe the extension is too big (~20 MiB)? Regards Ricardo
Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.
Am 07/31/2013 03:06 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:33 AM, janIj...@apache.org wrote: Moving conversation to dev@ On 31 July 2013 13:28, Jürgen Schmidtjogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/31/13 1:07 PM, janI wrote: Hi. Based on a discussion today on IRC, I would like to draw your attention to the following challenge. henkp is cc because he is the infra person doing the rsync magic. ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the project graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored under incubator. As part of cleaning rsync, infra want to enforce the policy, but of course respect and understand our need to have 3.4.1 available to users (especially because 3.4.1 contains languages not released in 4.0). I see the following possibilities: 1) remove openoffice from incubator, but leave version 3.3.0 and 3.4.1 (with language packs) on the SF mirror. This is preferred by infra. +1 to keep it on SF 2) remove 3.3.0 since its a legacy version, and move 3.4.1 parallel to 4.0. This is however an expensive operation for all mirror, and should only be done if we anticipate patches for 3.4.1 Removing 3.3 is ok to me but I see demand for keeping 3.4.1. Having it besides 4.0 would be natural but needs some work in the download scripts ... Just for me, do you prefer 1) or 2) ... I personally dont see a big need to keep 3.4.1 on our servers. INHO it is fine to keep 3.4.1 and early on archive.apache.org and SF only, provided Infra is OK with us pointing our website links for the hashes and signatures of 3.4.1 and earlier to archive and not to the dist. I don't think the bandwidth will be significant for these. I was told that these files must be linked from www.apache.org/dist/ only and always. If we can get now an exception for archive.apache.org/dist/ - hey, it's hosted by Apache, too :-) - this would be good. Marcus 3) persuade infra to keep incubator for 3.4.1, but limit the footprint as much as possible, remove 3.3.0 and put a timelimit up. I believe we can manage to move it out of the incubator in some way. We are also adviced, that if/when we change our layout infra need to be adviced well in advance. In my opinion we should consider not using externaldist, but have the total release in one folder with subfolders. Well externaldist was not our idea and I copied the files in this structure of advice from infra. We should first clarify what's preferred here. externaldist caused some confusion and extra work on our side as well. We can move the discussion to dev@ is nobody objects. yes let's move to dev Juergen rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Summary of AOO 4.0 download activity for 1st week
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 07/31/2013 05:51 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: We released AOO 4.0 on July 23nd, mid-day UTC. We only have summary data for full days, so the following is really for 6.5 days of AOO 4.0, through July 29th. 1,257,653 total downloads (full installs, not including langpacks). In comparison, the 1st 7 days of AOO 3.4.0 saw around 750K downloads, and the 1st week of AOO 3.4.1 saw 1.1M downloads. So we're seeing some nice growth. In graphical form you can see it here: http://www.openoffice.org/**stats/downloads.htmlhttp://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html Drilling down a little we see that the downloads were: 85% Windows 13% Mac 2% Linux Of the Linux downloads, 57% were 32-bit, 43% were 64-bit. 49% took the DEB packages, 51% the RPM. The top 10 downloads by language were: en_US 497,089 de 170,089 fr 148,619 it 88,931 ja 76,421 es 68,051 ru 52,756 en_GB 49,560 nl 20,649 pt_BR 18,341 Note also: We're about it hit the 60 million mark for total AOO downloads (all versions) probably by tomorrow. The count stands at 59,739,479 yesterday. Really impressive and thanks for the other stats as well. Thanks for the numbers and charts. It's always again impressive to see these hard facts. Marcus --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK Success is falling nine times and getting up ten. -- Jon Bon Jovi
Re: [DISCUSSION] Should source changes require [discussion] and/or issue submission?
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:23 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 31 July 2013 17:57, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Jul 30, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:00 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 29 July 2013 23:05, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Kay Schenk wrote: http://www.openoffice.org/**marketing/art/galleries/logos/**aoo-working/ http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/aoo-working/ Last week, two of the original svg files -- files prefixed with: Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_**selected_2013-06 were changed. These changes were not discussed in advance, nor an issue submitted for them. Given the events of the day, it was the PMC's decision to not veto these changes, but to copy these changed originals Thank you Kay for the reminder. I added a WARNING.txt file to the aoo-working directory to help avoiding changes that have not been discussed here first. I like the WARNING.txt file, could we agree to use the same file for other sensible (not sure if that is the right word) areas ? I think of e.g. release notes. So, back the original topic. Given recent events, do we want to have a changed policy to require issue submission and/or list discussion before new commits? I'd say we don't need it in general; it will be helpful for all significant code changes, but surely we don't need it for the website. Let's rely on common sense and peer scrutiny. +1, lets not make it too complicated to work, that said with a smile !! For significant code changes, a discussion is a must, but I thought it was already policy ? I'm ok with adding WARNING.txt as appropriate. I can see that there may be either of two types of warnings. Full RTC - where any change including additions should be discussed. Adds CTR and updates RTC - where changes to existing artifacts require discussion. The branding tree and release notes are examples of where this is in affect. I think this is a sensible approach -- documenting certain areas/entities (release notes were on CWiki this time) that requires more discussion or are specified as RTC by default. We don't have a branding area yet, but we may soon. Please dont forget the latest discussions about screenshots. When we define branding areas and other sensible areas, we should make sure that the source files for screenshots etc are incuded. rgds jan I. good point! I think we may have a lot to track down. It may be that changes are being made and reviewed during the discussion. We wouldn't be so strict. For example before the 4.1 release. Rob may start to create release notes by adding and then making a series of modifications. There would be a [DISCUSS] Starting release notes. We wouldn't need a discussion for every little change. It is more we want to be aware these are happening. The community can then help in very way from criticism to translation to whatever. Regards, Dave rgds jan I. Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org Here is some information on decision making/discussions: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/decision-making.html http://community.apache.org/committers/ http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles I could not find any specific rules on when decision making should be used. In OpenOffice, it is used on a regular basis for many different changes, but WHEN to use it doesn't seem to be set in stone. And it looks like, some projects have defined their own criteria. -- - MzK Success is falling nine times and getting up ten. -- Jon Bon Jovi - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK Success is falling nine times and getting up ten. -- Jon Bon Jovi -- - MzK Success is falling nine times and
Re: New OpenOffice volunteer
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Edward Kuang ekua...@ucsc.edu wrote: My name is Edward and I'm from the bay area in California. I'm a university student in my second year studying computer science. I use OpenOffice and I like it. Contributing to this project would improve my coding skills as well as making the project better. I've never worked on an open source project before and was wondering if this is a good first project to contribute to. I realize that the scope of the project is immense, but because there are so many people working on it, I'll get a lot of help too. I'm free most nights during the summer and I figured this would be quite productive for me. Thanks for your time. -Ed Hello Edward, and thanks for contacting the development list. I think you would find working with Apache OpenOffice a very productive use of your time! We usually point new volunteers to our Orientation page: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html Level 3 covers Development, an area we hope you'll find useful. But, as you say, this is a large project where you find lots of helpful folks. Thanks for your interest. -- - MzK Success is falling nine times and getting up ten. -- Jon Bon Jovi
Re: [DISCUSSION] Should source changes require [discussion] and/or issue submission?
Am 07/31/2013 07:23 PM, schrieb janI: On 31 July 2013 17:57, Kay Schenkkay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Dave Fisherdave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Jul 30, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:00 PM, janIj...@apache.org wrote: On 29 July 2013 23:05, Andrea Pescettipesce...@apache.org wrote: Kay Schenk wrote: http://www.openoffice.org/**marketing/art/galleries/logos/**aoo-working/ http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/aoo-working/ Last week, two of the original svg files -- files prefixed with: Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_**selected_2013-06 were changed. These changes were not discussed in advance, nor an issue submitted for them. Given the events of the day, it was the PMC's decision to not veto these changes, but to copy these changed originals Thank you Kay for the reminder. I added a WARNING.txt file to the aoo-working directory to help avoiding changes that have not been discussed here first. I like the WARNING.txt file, could we agree to use the same file for other sensible (not sure if that is the right word) areas ? I think of e.g. release notes. So, back the original topic. Given recent events, do we want to have a changed policy to require issue submission and/or list discussion before new commits? I'd say we don't need it in general; it will be helpful for all significant code changes, but surely we don't need it for the website. Let's rely on common sense and peer scrutiny. +1, lets not make it too complicated to work, that said with a smile !! For significant code changes, a discussion is a must, but I thought it was already policy ? I'm ok with adding WARNING.txt as appropriate. I can see that there may be either of two types of warnings. Full RTC - where any change including additions should be discussed. Adds CTR and updates RTC - where changes to existing artifacts require discussion. The branding tree and release notes are examples of where this is in affect. I think this is a sensible approach -- documenting certain areas/entities (release notes were on CWiki this time) that requires more discussion or are specified as RTC by default. We don't have a branding area yet, but we may soon. Please dont forget the latest discussions about screenshots. When we define branding areas and other sensible areas, we should make sure that the source files for screenshots etc are incuded. A branding area is a very good idea. Of course we need 2: 1) for the source code: logos, icons, license, notice, readme etc. 2) for the websites: logos, screenshots, release notes etc. Here we can define a different handling like RTC and explain this in a WARNING.txt file. Marcus It may be that changes are being made and reviewed during the discussion. We wouldn't be so strict. For example before the 4.1 release. Rob may start to create release notes by adding and then making a series of modifications. There would be a [DISCUSS] Starting release notes. We wouldn't need a discussion for every little change. It is more we want to be aware these are happening. The community can then help in very way from criticism to translation to whatever. Regards, Dave rgds jan I. Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org Here is some information on decision making/discussions: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/decision-making.html http://community.apache.org/committers/ http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles I could not find any specific rules on when decision making should be used. In OpenOffice, it is used on a regular basis for many different changes, but WHEN to use it doesn't seem to be set in stone. And it looks like, some projects have defined their own criteria. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Web Development program?
Dear Folks - Does AOO have (or can recommend) a free web development program? I have a domain name and a host, I just need a program to develop the site. Seems like all the 'free web site builders' are selling the hosting and/or domain registry. Stephen Guesman GreenWorks Design/Build greenworks...@gmail.com 205-919-6231
Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.
On 31 July 2013 21:31, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 07/31/2013 03:06 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:33 AM, janIj...@apache.org wrote: Moving conversation to dev@ On 31 July 2013 13:28, Jürgen Schmidtjogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/31/13 1:07 PM, janI wrote: Hi. Based on a discussion today on IRC, I would like to draw your attention to the following challenge. henkp is cc because he is the infra person doing the rsync magic. ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the project graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored under incubator. As part of cleaning rsync, infra want to enforce the policy, but of course respect and understand our need to have 3.4.1 available to users (especially because 3.4.1 contains languages not released in 4.0). I see the following possibilities: 1) remove openoffice from incubator, but leave version 3.3.0 and 3.4.1 (with language packs) on the SF mirror. This is preferred by infra. +1 to keep it on SF 2) remove 3.3.0 since its a legacy version, and move 3.4.1 parallel to 4.0. This is however an expensive operation for all mirror, and should only be done if we anticipate patches for 3.4.1 Removing 3.3 is ok to me but I see demand for keeping 3.4.1. Having it besides 4.0 would be natural but needs some work in the download scripts ... Just for me, do you prefer 1) or 2) ... I personally dont see a big need to keep 3.4.1 on our servers. INHO it is fine to keep 3.4.1 and early on archive.apache.org and SF only, provided Infra is OK with us pointing our website links for the hashes and signatures of 3.4.1 and earlier to archive and not to the dist. I don't think the bandwidth will be significant for these. I was told that these files must be linked from www.apache.org/dist/ only and always. If we can get now an exception for archive.apache.org/dist/ - hey, it's hosted by Apache, too :-) - this would be good. www.apache.org/dist/ - current release(s) archive.apache.org/dist/ - archived releases See: http://www.apache.org/dev/mirrors.html#location http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#when-to-archive Marcus 3) persuade infra to keep incubator for 3.4.1, but limit the footprint as much as possible, remove 3.3.0 and put a timelimit up. I believe we can manage to move it out of the incubator in some way. We are also adviced, that if/when we change our layout infra need to be adviced well in advance. In my opinion we should consider not using externaldist, but have the total release in one folder with subfolders. Well externaldist was not our idea and I copied the files in this structure of advice from infra. We should first clarify what's preferred here. externaldist caused some confusion and extra work on our side as well. We can move the discussion to dev@ is nobody objects. yes let's move to dev Juergen rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Downloading latest version of Open office
i think you guys blew it this time. T-Mobile will not complete a call without the prefix ONE, which means the number cannot be verified unless you spell out the complete number. e.g. 1-626-422-4343. Thank you, Ed
Compatibility with CAT programmes? e.g. Metatexis
Dear, brave Developers, One: Thanks. Two: My 'day job' is translating (art texts). To date, I haven't looked into Computer Aided Translation, since my field does not involve the masses of repetitions and variations (as in scientific texts, surveys, legal...) that these programmes are best at facilitating; but am now testing Metatexis (developer/proprietor: Hermann Bruns; http://www.metatexis.com/). The programme has been praised for its owner's commitment and background as a translator himself; it does look useful. He's also correspondablei with in person. But so far, it only works in MS Word (and its MS fellows in Pro edition and higher). It's also more affordable than - as yet - better-known programmes such as Trados. Might this be an interesting field for you to explore and ultimately make OO and, at least, Metatexis, compatible, maybe in collaboration with Hermann Bruns? I've been using OO and on a MacBook, NeoOffice (are you two arms of one developer team?), since MS introduced fees - high fees - for any but 'private/home' use of Word etc; but have had to return to my old MS Word to test the translation programme. Compatibility with OO and /or NeoOffice would be a boon. Kind regards Stephen Reader
Re: Downloading latest version of Open office
Hi Ed, You should never need a phone number or make a call to download or otherwise activate Apache OpenOffice. Please download from http://www.openoffice.org/download Regards, Dave On Jul 31, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Edward Reyes wrote: i think you guys blew it this time. T-Mobile will not complete a call without the prefix ONE, which means the number cannot be verified unless you spell out the complete number. e.g. 1-626-422-4343. Thank you, Ed - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
On 9/07/2013 3:53 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: Anyhow, the last build we had to work against was against r1484083 from May 18th--you have not missed anything. Actually, the last build I had a chance to test was from February. Does anyone have a working link to this latest build? Jamie -- James Teh Director, NV Access Limited Email: ja...@nvaccess.org Web site: http://www.nvaccess.org/ Phone: +61 7 5667 8372 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
