Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Am 29.05.20 um 17:52 schrieb Pedro Lino: On May 29, 2020 3:55 PM Marcus wrote: Is there an agreed new formulation of the sentence? The agreed modification (proposed by Rory) is to change from "reads all major competitors' files" to "reads most file types of major competitors" thanks. I've changed it here [1]. As this "Why Apache OpenOffice?" collection is also used on other localized AOO webpages, I've posted a hint also to @L10n. [1] https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Hi Marcus > On May 29, 2020 3:55 PM Marcus wrote: > Is there an agreed new formulation of the sentence? The agreed modification (proposed by Rory) is to change from "reads all major competitors' files" to "reads most file types of major competitors" Thanks! Pedro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Am 28.05.20 um 20:34 schrieb Pedro Lino: On May 28, 2020 7:03 PM Marcus wrote: Am 28.05.20 um 16:46 schrieb Matthias Seidel: What do I need to do to have edit permission on the Apache website? That needs access to ASF infrastructure, so you would need to be a committer. You have asked me this before. I'm sorry I never answered to your email. It is still in my drafts mailbox. I believe that it makes sense at this point to become a committer. @Pedro: If it's helpful I can stand in as your assistant. All help is welcome ;) I fear that I haven't closely followed this discussion. Is there an agreed new formulation of the sentence? If so, I would like to see it here (again) stated to have it crystal clear and documentated. Then I can change it on the webpage. Thanks Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Hi Marcus, Matthias, all > On May 28, 2020 7:03 PM Marcus wrote: > Am 28.05.20 um 16:46 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > >> What do I need to do to have edit permission on the Apache website? > > > > That needs access to ASF infrastructure, so you would need to be a > > committer. You have asked me this before. I'm sorry I never answered to your email. It is still in my drafts mailbox. I believe that it makes sense at this point to become a committer. > @Pedro: > If it's helpful I can stand in as your assistant. All help is welcome ;) Thanks! Regards, Pedro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Am 28.05.20 um 16:46 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Hi Pedro, Am 28.05.20 um 14:17 schrieb Pedro Lino: Hi Matthias, all Yes, this part of the webpage should really be rewritten. But looking at how long it took us to discuss only a fraction of a sentence that will take take a lng time. That said, I step back from doing anything in this specific matter. If someone wants to change that little part of a sentence, please go ahead! I volunteer to make the agreed modification. If people want to contribute other modifications and they can be agreed on this mailing list (or other process) I can make those modifications as well. What do I need to do to have edit permission on the Apache website? That needs access to ASF infrastructure, so you would need to be a committer. @Pedro: If it's helpful I can stand in as your assistant. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Hi Pedro, Am 28.05.20 um 14:17 schrieb Pedro Lino: > Hi Matthias, all > >> Yes, this part of the webpage should really be rewritten. >> But looking at how long it took us to discuss only a fraction of a >> sentence that will take take a lng time. >> >> That said, I step back from doing anything in this specific matter. >> If someone wants to change that little part of a sentence, please go ahead! > I volunteer to make the agreed modification. If people want to contribute > other modifications and they can be agreed on this mailing list (or other > process) I can make those modifications as well. > > What do I need to do to have edit permission on the Apache website? That needs access to ASF infrastructure, so you would need to be a committer. Regards, Matthias > > Regards, > Pedro > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Hi Matthias, all > Yes, this part of the webpage should really be rewritten. > But looking at how long it took us to discuss only a fraction of a > sentence that will take take a lng time. > > That said, I step back from doing anything in this specific matter. > If someone wants to change that little part of a sentence, please go ahead! I volunteer to make the agreed modification. If people want to contribute other modifications and they can be agreed on this mailing list (or other process) I can make those modifications as well. What do I need to do to have edit permission on the Apache website? Regards, Pedro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
On Thu, 28 May 2020 13:08:47 +0200 Matthias Seidel wrote: > Hi Dave, all, > > Am 27.05.20 um 16:26 schrieb Dave Fisher: > > > >> On May 27, 2020, at 7:18 AM, Keith N. McKenna > >> wrote: > >> > >> Pedro; > >> Comments in-line > >> > >> On 5/26/2020 5:18 PM, Pedro Lino wrote: > Plus your your phrasing > leaves it wide open for people to complain about PDF files same as they > already do. > >>> PDF is not an editable format and it is not from any of the "major > >>> competitor" suites. In any case you can open PDF files in OpenOffice. > >>> Just install the PDF Import extension. > >>> > >> Yes PDF is an editable format, you just need to have a PDF editor. The > >> fact is that user@ is full of people complaining that AOO will not open > >> there PDF files. > > Yes, PDF can be edited. On Forum,when I mention the PDF editing extension, I try always to say that it is suitable for minor, "cosmetic", edits, not for major restructuring of a PDF document. Rory > > > As we no longer open Word Perfect files then Your > phraseology is no longer correct either. > >>> I'm almost sure WordPerfect is no longer a "major competitor"... > >>> Unfortunately I can't find any usage statistics for any office suite to > >>> check who are in fact the "major" and if they use any proprietary file > >>> types other than Microsoft's... > >>> > >> Whether they are a "major competitor" or not is irrelevant, there 2020 > >> office suite is a competitor and we do not open any of there file > >> formats for word processing, spreadsheet, or presentation. > > These “Why OpenOffice” sections were written in Sun and Oracle times and > > simply ported. Competitors is not the correct term for other myriad > > document formats. We don’t have a large company funding our efforts to > > “compete”. > > > > A more major effort to rewrite this part of the website makes sense to me. > > I don’t how much time I have for that effort, but … > > Yes, this part of the webpage should really be rewritten. > But looking at how long it took us to discuss only a fraction of a > sentence that will take take a lng time. > > That said, I step back from doing anything in this specific matter. > If someone wants to change that little part of a sentence, please go ahead! > > Regards, > > Matthias > > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > > >> Regards > >> Keith > >> > >>> Regards, > >>> Pedro > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > -- Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Hi Dave, all, Am 27.05.20 um 16:26 schrieb Dave Fisher: > >> On May 27, 2020, at 7:18 AM, Keith N. McKenna >> wrote: >> >> Pedro; >> Comments in-line >> >> On 5/26/2020 5:18 PM, Pedro Lino wrote: Plus your your phrasing leaves it wide open for people to complain about PDF files same as they already do. >>> PDF is not an editable format and it is not from any of the "major >>> competitor" suites. In any case you can open PDF files in OpenOffice. Just >>> install the PDF Import extension. >>> >> Yes PDF is an editable format, you just need to have a PDF editor. The >> fact is that user@ is full of people complaining that AOO will not open >> there PDF files. > Yes, PDF can be edited. > As we no longer open Word Perfect files then Your phraseology is no longer correct either. >>> I'm almost sure WordPerfect is no longer a "major competitor"... >>> Unfortunately I can't find any usage statistics for any office suite to >>> check who are in fact the "major" and if they use any proprietary file >>> types other than Microsoft's... >>> >> Whether they are a "major competitor" or not is irrelevant, there 2020 >> office suite is a competitor and we do not open any of there file >> formats for word processing, spreadsheet, or presentation. > These “Why OpenOffice” sections were written in Sun and Oracle times and > simply ported. Competitors is not the correct term for other myriad document > formats. We don’t have a large company funding our efforts to “compete”. > > A more major effort to rewrite this part of the website makes sense to me. I > don’t how much time I have for that effort, but … Yes, this part of the webpage should really be rewritten. But looking at how long it took us to discuss only a fraction of a sentence that will take take a lng time. That said, I step back from doing anything in this specific matter. If someone wants to change that little part of a sentence, please go ahead! Regards, Matthias > > Regards, > Dave > > >> Regards >> Keith >> >>> Regards, >>> Pedro >>> >> >> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Regarding PDF's. >> PDF is not an editable format and it is not from any of the "major >> competitor" suites. In any case you can open PDF files in OpenOffice. Just >> install the PDF Import extension. >> > > Yes PDF is an editable format, you just need to have a PDF editor. The > fact is that user@ is full of people complaining that AOO will not open > there PDF files. >Yes, PDF can be edited. Open any PDF in OO Draw and it is clear they can be edited to a very high degree. So the above statement is very correct. As far as the various import extensions, they are sometimes far less successful at reading PDFs. As an aside, if whatever reads pdf for draw could be simply implemented in OOWriter this would be a nice feature. But as it stands PDF compatability with the suite is "okay enough". >Regards, >Dave > > Regards > Keith > >> Regards, >> Pedro >> > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Keith (comments in-line) > > PDF is not an editable format and it is not from any of the "major > > competitor" suites. In any case you can open PDF files in OpenOffice. Just > > install the PDF Import extension. > > > > Yes PDF is an editable format, you just need to have a PDF editor. The > fact is that user@ is full of people complaining that AOO will not open > there PDF files. PDF is designed for printing and page composition. It can be edited but that is not what it was designed for. That is why ODF is adopted as "an open document file format for saving and exchanging office documents that may be edited." Again: you can open and modify PDF files in Apache OpenOffice. Just install the PDF Import extension. > Whether they are a "major competitor" or not is irrelevant, there 2020 > office suite is a competitor and we do not open any of there file > formats for word processing, spreadsheet, or presentation. It is not irrelevant. My proposal (and the original sentence) mentioned support for "major competitors" not support for every file format under the sun. In any case I agree that WordPerfect should be supported (as well as Apple's iWork formats) but unless someone is willing to pay a developer to add those flters I don't see it happening Regards, Pedro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
> On May 27, 2020, at 7:18 AM, Keith N. McKenna > wrote: > > Pedro; > Comments in-line > > On 5/26/2020 5:18 PM, Pedro Lino wrote: >> >>> Plus your your phrasing >>> leaves it wide open for people to complain about PDF files same as they >>> already do. >> >> PDF is not an editable format and it is not from any of the "major >> competitor" suites. In any case you can open PDF files in OpenOffice. Just >> install the PDF Import extension. >> > > Yes PDF is an editable format, you just need to have a PDF editor. The > fact is that user@ is full of people complaining that AOO will not open > there PDF files. Yes, PDF can be edited. > >>> As we no longer open Word Perfect files then Your >>> phraseology is no longer correct either. >> >> I'm almost sure WordPerfect is no longer a "major competitor"... >> Unfortunately I can't find any usage statistics for any office suite to >> check who are in fact the "major" and if they use any proprietary file types >> other than Microsoft's... >> > Whether they are a "major competitor" or not is irrelevant, there 2020 > office suite is a competitor and we do not open any of there file > formats for word processing, spreadsheet, or presentation. These “Why OpenOffice” sections were written in Sun and Oracle times and simply ported. Competitors is not the correct term for other myriad document formats. We don’t have a large company funding our efforts to “compete”. A more major effort to rewrite this part of the website makes sense to me. I don’t how much time I have for that effort, but … Regards, Dave > > Regards > Keith > >> Regards, >> Pedro >> > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Pedro; Comments in-line On 5/26/2020 5:18 PM, Pedro Lino wrote: > >> Plus your your phrasing >> leaves it wide open for people to complain about PDF files same as they >> already do. > > PDF is not an editable format and it is not from any of the "major > competitor" suites. In any case you can open PDF files in OpenOffice. Just > install the PDF Import extension. > Yes PDF is an editable format, you just need to have a PDF editor. The fact is that user@ is full of people complaining that AOO will not open there PDF files. >> As we no longer open Word Perfect files then Your >> phraseology is no longer correct either. > > I'm almost sure WordPerfect is no longer a "major competitor"... > Unfortunately I can't find any usage statistics for any office suite to check > who are in fact the "major" and if they use any proprietary file types other > than Microsoft's... > Whether they are a "major competitor" or not is irrelevant, there 2020 office suite is a competitor and we do not open any of there file formats for word processing, spreadsheet, or presentation. Regards Keith > Regards, > Pedro > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
> On May 27, 2020 12:26 AM Larry Gusaas < larry.gus...@gmail.com > mailto:larry.gus...@gmail.com > wrote: > > Apache OpenOffice DOES NOT read Apple Pages, Keynote, or Numbers files. > Thank you for this piece of information. This certainly puts a nail on the all vs most debate. Thank you all for the feedback! Regards, Pedro
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
On Tue, 26 May 2020 17:26:55 -0600 Larry Gusaas wrote: > On 2020-05-23 2:34 p.m., Czesław Wolański wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache OpenOffice?" > > > > https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice > > > > Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about one part (2nd > > bulleted list, 2nd item): > > > > "It's easy to change to Apache OpenOffice - the software reads all major > > competitors' files" > > > > From a purely linguistic perspective: is wording "reads all major > > competitors' files" to be understood as: > > > > - it reads all files of major competitors > >OR > > - it reads files of all major competitors > > > Apache OpenOffice DOES NOT read Apple Pages, Keynote, or Numbers files. > I think Larry has proved my point on why we need the softer wording. I have now said as much as is useful for me to say on this thread. Rory > _ > > Larry I. Gusaas > Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada > Website: http://larry-gusaas.com > > "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs." > - Edgard Varese > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > -- Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
On 2020-05-23 2:34 p.m., Czesław Wolański wrote: Hi, Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache OpenOffice?" https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about one part (2nd bulleted list, 2nd item): "It's easy to change to Apache OpenOffice - the software reads all major competitors' files" From a purely linguistic perspective: is wording "reads all major competitors' files" to be understood as: - it reads all files of major competitors OR - it reads files of all major competitors Apache OpenOffice DOES NOT read Apple Pages, Keynote, or Numbers files. -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs." - Edgard Varese - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
More emphasis should be placed on the fact that OO is a full feature suite committed to the Open Document Format. This OASIS standard is an important feature of all libre/open source/commons suites going forward, and puts immense pressure on the older style (microsoft) native formats, which is more about subscription based closed systems, rather than the ideals and freedoms this type of software supports. So greater emphasis on the use/default/commitment to Open Document and the role it has (to provide a common format available to all users) would be great to see Apologies if this has already been discussed during this thread.
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Am 26.05.20 um 23:18 schrieb Pedro Lino: Plus your your phrasing leaves it wide open for people to complain about PDF files same as they already do. PDF is not an editable format and it is not from any of the "major competitor" suites. In any case you can open PDF files in OpenOffice. Just install the PDF Import extension. As we no longer open Word Perfect files then Your phraseology is no longer correct either. I'm almost sure WordPerfect is no longer a "major competitor"... Unfortunately I can't find any usage statistics for any office suite to check who are in fact the "major" and if they use any proprietary file types other than Microsoft's... Well I would go for the List on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_office_suites I think they list all "Interesting Competitors". Statistica just count Gsuite and Microsoft Office 365 ... Regards, Pedro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
> Plus your your phrasing > leaves it wide open for people to complain about PDF files same as they > already do. PDF is not an editable format and it is not from any of the "major competitor" suites. In any case you can open PDF files in OpenOffice. Just install the PDF Import extension. > As we no longer open Word Perfect files then Your > phraseology is no longer correct either. I'm almost sure WordPerfect is no longer a "major competitor"... Unfortunately I can't find any usage statistics for any office suite to check who are in fact the "major" and if they use any proprietary file types other than Microsoft's... Regards, Pedro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Hi Rory, Matthias, all > On May 26, 2020 7:36 PM Rory O'Farrell wrote: > I am coming to the stage where I despair of ever educating the average > computer user, usually two generations later than my own - they see the > computer as a "Magic Box", and expect it to read their minds. Look even at > postings on the Dev and the User lists - they rarely read any instructions, > cannot (and do not search), and expect a short simple answer to t he most > complex of questions, an answer that does not require them to think. And if > the Dev and User lists are bad, just look at the queries on the Forum! I understand your point. I have answered to posts on forums only to find out I took "too much time". The OP had already left and was posting the same question somewhere else :) But it does not mean that we need to change to adapt. OpenOffice is what it is. Not the most modern, not the most "material design" interface, not the one with most features but very likely the most stable and the most reliable Office suite. In my opinion saying that it opens "most" files will not appease the infuriated young users when the next file won't open ;) Just my 2 shillings :) Pedro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
On 5/26/2020 2:36 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > On Tue, 26 May 2020 19:30:04 +0100 (WEST) > Pedro Lino wrote: > >> Hi Rory >> >> I believe it would have more impact (and still be correct) if you replaced it with "the software reads all current file types of major competitors." Regards, Pedro >>> >>> My reasoning for the earlier wording which I suggested is that many users, >>> becoming more and more inexperienced, expect every file to open with >>> OpenOffice; they take it as a personal insult when a file does not open, >>> for whatever reason. I prefer the slight ambiguity of "most". >> >> That is why I suggest "file types". I understand that users expect >> OpenOffice to open every file. But I also expect my "old" Office 2016 to >> open every Microsoft OOXML file correctly and it does not... >> Should we give up on educating users because they feel insulted? Should we >> not insist on Open Document because most users want to keep using Microsoft >> file formats? >> >> Regards, >> Pedro > > I am coming to the stage where I despair of ever educating the average > computer user, usually two generations later than my own - they see the > computer as a "Magic Box", and expect it to read their minds. Look even at > postings on the Dev and the User lists - they rarely read any instructions, > cannot (and do not search), and expect a short simple answer to t he most > complex of questions, an answer that does not require them to think. And if > the Dev and User lists are bad, just look at the queries on the Forum! > > Rory > I agree with Rory on this one. The only difference is that I have been a confirmed cynic since my late teens and as I am now 3.5 months short of 70 I am more convinced than ever the trying to educate the "average computer user" is pretty much a lost cause. Plus your your phrasing leaves it wide open for people to complain about PDF files same as they already do. As we no longer open Word Perfect files then Your phraseology is no longer correct either. Regards Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
On Tue, 26 May 2020 19:30:04 +0100 (WEST) Pedro Lino wrote: > Hi Rory > > > > > I believe it would have more impact (and still be correct) if you > > > replaced it with > > > > > > "the software reads all current file types of major competitors." > > > > > > Regards, > > > Pedro > > > > My reasoning for the earlier wording which I suggested is that many users, > > becoming more and more inexperienced, expect every file to open with > > OpenOffice; they take it as a personal insult when a file does not open, > > for whatever reason. I prefer the slight ambiguity of "most". > > That is why I suggest "file types". I understand that users expect OpenOffice > to open every file. But I also expect my "old" Office 2016 to open every > Microsoft OOXML file correctly and it does not... > Should we give up on educating users because they feel insulted? Should we > not insist on Open Document because most users want to keep using Microsoft > file formats? > > Regards, > Pedro I am coming to the stage where I despair of ever educating the average computer user, usually two generations later than my own - they see the computer as a "Magic Box", and expect it to read their minds. Look even at postings on the Dev and the User lists - they rarely read any instructions, cannot (and do not search), and expect a short simple answer to t he most complex of questions, an answer that does not require them to think. And if the Dev and User lists are bad, just look at the queries on the Forum! Rory -- Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
OK, I will hold on until this (hopefully not endless) discussion is finished... ;-) Matthias Am 26.05.20 um 20:30 schrieb Pedro Lino: > Hi Rory > > >>> I believe it would have more impact (and still be correct) if you replaced >>> it with >>> >>> "the software reads all current file types of major competitors." >>> >>> Regards, >>> Pedro >> My reasoning for the earlier wording which I suggested is that many users, >> becoming more and more inexperienced, expect every file to open with >> OpenOffice; they take it as a personal insult when a file does not open, for >> whatever reason. I prefer the slight ambiguity of "most". > That is why I suggest "file types". I understand that users expect OpenOffice > to open every file. But I also expect my "old" Office 2016 to open every > Microsoft OOXML file correctly and it does not... > Should we give up on educating users because they feel insulted? Should we > not insist on Open Document because most users want to keep using Microsoft > file formats? > > Regards, > Pedro > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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Hi Rory > > I believe it would have more impact (and still be correct) if you replaced > > it with > > > > "the software reads all current file types of major competitors." > > > > Regards, > > Pedro > > My reasoning for the earlier wording which I suggested is that many users, > becoming more and more inexperienced, expect every file to open with > OpenOffice; they take it as a personal insult when a file does not open, for > whatever reason. I prefer the slight ambiguity of "most". That is why I suggest "file types". I understand that users expect OpenOffice to open every file. But I also expect my "old" Office 2016 to open every Microsoft OOXML file correctly and it does not... Should we give up on educating users because they feel insulted? Should we not insist on Open Document because most users want to keep using Microsoft file formats? Regards, Pedro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
On Tue, 26 May 2020 19:02:02 +0100 (WEST) Pedro Lino wrote: > Hi Matthias, all > > I believe it would have more impact (and still be correct) if you replaced it > with > > "the software reads all current file types of major competitors." > > Regards, > Pedro My reasoning for the earlier wording which I suggested is that many users, becoming more and more inexperienced, expect every file to open with OpenOffice; they take it as a personal insult when a file does not open, for whatever reason. I prefer the slight ambiguity of "most". Rory > > > On May 26, 2020 5:42 PM Matthias Seidel wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > If there are no further opinions I will change the text according to > > Rory's suggestion tomorrow: > > > > ...the software reads all major competitors' files -> ...the software > > reads most file types of major competitors > > > > This will be for the main page, the /xx template and I will adjust the > > German translation. > > > > @Czesław: Can you give me a Polish translation? > > > > Regards, > > > > Matthias > > > > Am 24.05.20 um 12:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > > > +1 to Rory's suggestion. > > > > > > Since the discussion already went of topic, let's not forget to rephrase > > > that sentence... ;-) > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Matthias > > > > > > Am 24.05.20 um 09:20 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: > > >> On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 > > >> Czesław Wolański wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>> Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache OpenOffice?" > > >>> > > >>> https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice > > >>> > > >>> Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about one part > > >>> (2nd > > >>> bulleted list, 2nd item): > > >>> > > >>> "It's easy to change to Apache OpenOffice - the software reads all major > > >>> competitors' files" > > >>> > > >>> From a purely linguistic perspective: is wording "reads all major > > >>> competitors' files" to be understood as: > > >>> > > >>> - it reads all files of major competitors > > >>> OR > > >>> - it reads files of all major competitors > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Best regards, > > >>> > > >>> Czesław Wolański > > >> Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. > > >> > > >> I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some .docx and > > >> perhaps others not yet developed. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > -- Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Hi Matthias, all I believe it would have more impact (and still be correct) if you replaced it with "the software reads all current file types of major competitors." Regards, Pedro > On May 26, 2020 5:42 PM Matthias Seidel wrote: > > > Hi all, > > If there are no further opinions I will change the text according to > Rory's suggestion tomorrow: > > ...the software reads all major competitors' files -> ...the software > reads most file types of major competitors > > This will be for the main page, the /xx template and I will adjust the > German translation. > > @Czesław: Can you give me a Polish translation? > > Regards, > > Matthias > > Am 24.05.20 um 12:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > > +1 to Rory's suggestion. > > > > Since the discussion already went of topic, let's not forget to rephrase > > that sentence... ;-) > > > > Regards, > > > > Matthias > > > > Am 24.05.20 um 09:20 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: > >> On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 > >> Czesław Wolański wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache OpenOffice?" > >>> > >>> https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice > >>> > >>> Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about one part (2nd > >>> bulleted list, 2nd item): > >>> > >>> "It's easy to change to Apache OpenOffice - the software reads all major > >>> competitors' files" > >>> > >>> From a purely linguistic perspective: is wording "reads all major > >>> competitors' files" to be understood as: > >>> > >>> - it reads all files of major competitors > >>> OR > >>> - it reads files of all major competitors > >>> > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> > >>> Czesław Wolański > >> Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. > >> > >> I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some .docx and > >> perhaps others not yet developed. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Hi, > Can you wait for 300 million? ;-) With outmost impatience. :'‑) Regards, Czesław Am Di., 26. Mai 2020 um 19:39 Uhr schrieb Matthias Seidel < matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>: > Am 26.05.20 um 19:32 schrieb Czesław Wolański: > > Hi, > > > >> Apparently German has no translation at all... ;-) > > Indeed. But it has "these nice baloons, ribbons and confetti" image with > > 290,000,000 Downloads... ;-) > > You really want it, don't you? > > Can you wait for 300 million? ;-) > > > > > Regards, > > > > Czesław > > > > Am Di., 26. Mai 2020 um 19:21 Uhr schrieb Matthias Seidel < > > matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Am 26.05.20 um 19:03 schrieb Czesław Wolański: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> @Matthias > >>> > >>> Polish translation: > >>> > >>> "program odczytuje większość typów pliku swoich głównych konkurentów" > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Apparently German has no translation at all... ;-) > >> > >> Matthias > >> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Czesław > >>> > >>> > >>> Am Di., 26. Mai 2020 um 18:42 Uhr schrieb Matthias Seidel < > >>> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>: > >>> > Hi all, > > If there are no further opinions I will change the text according to > Rory's suggestion tomorrow: > > ...the software reads all major competitors' files -> ...the software > reads most file types of major competitors > > This will be for the main page, the /xx template and I will adjust the > German translation. > > @Czesław: Can you give me a Polish translation? > > Regards, > > Matthias > > Am 24.05.20 um 12:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > > +1 to Rory's suggestion. > > > > Since the discussion already went of topic, let's not forget to > >> rephrase > > that sentence... ;-) > > > > Regards, > > > >Matthias > > > > Am 24.05.20 um 09:20 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: > >> On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 > >> Czesław Wolański wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache > >> OpenOffice?" > >>> > https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice > >>> > >>> Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about one > part > (2nd > >>> bulleted list, 2nd item): > >>> > >>> "It's easy to change to Apache OpenOffice - the software reads all > major > >>> competitors' files" > >>> > >>> From a purely linguistic perspective: is wording "reads all major > >>> competitors' files" to be understood as: > >>> > >>> - it reads all files of major competitors > >>> OR > >>> - it reads files of all major competitors > >>> > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> > >>> Czesław Wolański > >> Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. > >> > >> I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some .docx > >> and > perhaps others not yet developed. > > > >> > >
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Am 26.05.20 um 19:32 schrieb Czesław Wolański: > Hi, > >> Apparently German has no translation at all... ;-) > Indeed. But it has "these nice baloons, ribbons and confetti" image with > 290,000,000 Downloads... ;-) You really want it, don't you? Can you wait for 300 million? ;-) > > Regards, > > Czesław > > Am Di., 26. Mai 2020 um 19:21 Uhr schrieb Matthias Seidel < > matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>: > >> Hi, >> >> Am 26.05.20 um 19:03 schrieb Czesław Wolański: >>> Hi, >>> >>> @Matthias >>> >>> Polish translation: >>> >>> "program odczytuje większość typów pliku swoich głównych konkurentów" >> Thanks! >> >> Apparently German has no translation at all... ;-) >> >> Matthias >> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Czesław >>> >>> >>> Am Di., 26. Mai 2020 um 18:42 Uhr schrieb Matthias Seidel < >>> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>: >>> Hi all, If there are no further opinions I will change the text according to Rory's suggestion tomorrow: ...the software reads all major competitors' files -> ...the software reads most file types of major competitors This will be for the main page, the /xx template and I will adjust the German translation. @Czesław: Can you give me a Polish translation? Regards, Matthias Am 24.05.20 um 12:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > +1 to Rory's suggestion. > > Since the discussion already went of topic, let's not forget to >> rephrase > that sentence... ;-) > > Regards, > >Matthias > > Am 24.05.20 um 09:20 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: >> On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 >> Czesław Wolański wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache >> OpenOffice?" >>> https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice >>> >>> Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about one part (2nd >>> bulleted list, 2nd item): >>> >>> "It's easy to change to Apache OpenOffice - the software reads all major >>> competitors' files" >>> >>> From a purely linguistic perspective: is wording "reads all major >>> competitors' files" to be understood as: >>> >>> - it reads all files of major competitors >>> OR >>> - it reads files of all major competitors >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Czesław Wolański >> Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. >> >> I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some .docx >> and perhaps others not yet developed. >> smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Hi, > Apparently German has no translation at all... ;-) Indeed. But it has "these nice baloons, ribbons and confetti" image with 290,000,000 Downloads... ;-) Regards, Czesław Am Di., 26. Mai 2020 um 19:21 Uhr schrieb Matthias Seidel < matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>: > Hi, > > Am 26.05.20 um 19:03 schrieb Czesław Wolański: > > Hi, > > > > @Matthias > > > > Polish translation: > > > > "program odczytuje większość typów pliku swoich głównych konkurentów" > > Thanks! > > Apparently German has no translation at all... ;-) > > Matthias > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Czesław > > > > > > Am Di., 26. Mai 2020 um 18:42 Uhr schrieb Matthias Seidel < > > matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> If there are no further opinions I will change the text according to > >> Rory's suggestion tomorrow: > >> > >> ...the software reads all major competitors' files -> ...the software > >> reads most file types of major competitors > >> > >> This will be for the main page, the /xx template and I will adjust the > >> German translation. > >> > >> @Czesław: Can you give me a Polish translation? > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >>Matthias > >> > >> Am 24.05.20 um 12:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > >>> +1 to Rory's suggestion. > >>> > >>> Since the discussion already went of topic, let's not forget to > rephrase > >>> that sentence... ;-) > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>>Matthias > >>> > >>> Am 24.05.20 um 09:20 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: > On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 > Czesław Wolański wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache > OpenOffice?" > > > > https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice > > > > Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about one part > >> (2nd > > bulleted list, 2nd item): > > > > "It's easy to change to Apache OpenOffice - the software reads all > >> major > > competitors' files" > > > > From a purely linguistic perspective: is wording "reads all major > > competitors' files" to be understood as: > > > > - it reads all files of major competitors > > OR > > - it reads files of all major competitors > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Czesław Wolański > Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. > > I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some .docx > and > >> perhaps others not yet developed. > >> > >> > >
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Hi, Am 26.05.20 um 19:03 schrieb Czesław Wolański: > Hi, > > @Matthias > > Polish translation: > > "program odczytuje większość typów pliku swoich głównych konkurentów" Thanks! Apparently German has no translation at all... ;-) Matthias > > > Regards, > > Czesław > > > Am Di., 26. Mai 2020 um 18:42 Uhr schrieb Matthias Seidel < > matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>: > >> Hi all, >> >> If there are no further opinions I will change the text according to >> Rory's suggestion tomorrow: >> >> ...the software reads all major competitors' files -> ...the software >> reads most file types of major competitors >> >> This will be for the main page, the /xx template and I will adjust the >> German translation. >> >> @Czesław: Can you give me a Polish translation? >> >> Regards, >> >>Matthias >> >> Am 24.05.20 um 12:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >>> +1 to Rory's suggestion. >>> >>> Since the discussion already went of topic, let's not forget to rephrase >>> that sentence... ;-) >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>>Matthias >>> >>> Am 24.05.20 um 09:20 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 Czesław Wolański wrote: > Hi, > > Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache OpenOffice?" > > https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice > > Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about one part >> (2nd > bulleted list, 2nd item): > > "It's easy to change to Apache OpenOffice - the software reads all >> major > competitors' files" > > From a purely linguistic perspective: is wording "reads all major > competitors' files" to be understood as: > > - it reads all files of major competitors > OR > - it reads files of all major competitors > > > Best regards, > > Czesław Wolański Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some .docx and >> perhaps others not yet developed. >> >> smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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Hi, @Matthias Polish translation: "program odczytuje większość typów pliku swoich głównych konkurentów" Regards, Czesław Am Di., 26. Mai 2020 um 18:42 Uhr schrieb Matthias Seidel < matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>: > Hi all, > > If there are no further opinions I will change the text according to > Rory's suggestion tomorrow: > > ...the software reads all major competitors' files -> ...the software > reads most file types of major competitors > > This will be for the main page, the /xx template and I will adjust the > German translation. > > @Czesław: Can you give me a Polish translation? > > Regards, > >Matthias > > Am 24.05.20 um 12:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > > +1 to Rory's suggestion. > > > > Since the discussion already went of topic, let's not forget to rephrase > > that sentence... ;-) > > > > Regards, > > > >Matthias > > > > Am 24.05.20 um 09:20 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: > >> On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 > >> Czesław Wolański wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache OpenOffice?" > >>> > >>> https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice > >>> > >>> Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about one part > (2nd > >>> bulleted list, 2nd item): > >>> > >>> "It's easy to change to Apache OpenOffice - the software reads all > major > >>> competitors' files" > >>> > >>> From a purely linguistic perspective: is wording "reads all major > >>> competitors' files" to be understood as: > >>> > >>> - it reads all files of major competitors > >>> OR > >>> - it reads files of all major competitors > >>> > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> > >>> Czesław Wolański > >> Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. > >> > >> I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some .docx and > perhaps others not yet developed. > >
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Hi all, If there are no further opinions I will change the text according to Rory's suggestion tomorrow: ...the software reads all major competitors' files -> ...the software reads most file types of major competitors This will be for the main page, the /xx template and I will adjust the German translation. @Czesław: Can you give me a Polish translation? Regards, Matthias Am 24.05.20 um 12:25 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > +1 to Rory's suggestion. > > Since the discussion already went of topic, let's not forget to rephrase > that sentence... ;-) > > Regards, > > Matthias > > Am 24.05.20 um 09:20 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: >> On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 >> Czesław Wolański wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache OpenOffice?" >>> >>> https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice >>> >>> Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about one part (2nd >>> bulleted list, 2nd item): >>> >>> "It's easy to change to Apache OpenOffice - the software reads all major >>> competitors' files" >>> >>> From a purely linguistic perspective: is wording "reads all major >>> competitors' files" to be understood as: >>> >>> - it reads all files of major competitors >>> OR >>> - it reads files of all major competitors >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Czesław Wolański >> Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. >> >> I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some .docx and >> perhaps others not yet developed. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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Hi Dean, all > > I think Microsoft does this on purpose. > > >"reads all current file types of major competitors." > > It may read it, but it does not always understand it. Agreed, that is why I think the emphasys should be on file _types_. The same can be said about Microsoft Office. Using an "old" version like Microsoft Office 2016 to read a file created in a newer version of the same Office suite results more often than you would expect in some parts not being understood. Regards, Pedro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Dear all, I can read a book written in German, but I cannot understand it. AOO does not seem to understand many docx, especially those with formulae. The files I use on a day-to-day basis need to have margins adjusted to 'fit' the pages, formulaes added and generally pictures too. I think Microsoft does this on purpose. >"reads all current file types of major competitors." It may read it, but it does not always understand it. Kind Regards, Dean From: Pedro Lino Sent: Sunday, 24 May 2020 9:33 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording? Hi Rory, all > On May 24, 2020 8:20 AM Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. > > I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some .docx and > perhaps others not yet developed. Since you are (and correctly so) referring to file types, I would change to "reads all current file types of major competitors." The fact that it does not read one particular .docx file does not mean that it does not support reading the .docx file type. As for the discussion of Saving to OOXML format, personally I prefer OpenOffice's approach: if you can not do it right then don't do it. Other office suites try to save in OOXML but because it is an ever changing proprietary format, the files are not quite the same and many times I have witnessed lost of data and/or lost of formatting (which means lost of time and lost of users) Regards, Pedro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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Am 24.05.20 um 12:37 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: Everyone knows that. Me too. But Peter talked about 'multiple ideas to fill the gap on OOXML'. *What are these ideas?* 1) finish OOXML implementation we have 2) use Apache POI (Is in Java) 3) Port the LO version into an extension (The extension takes care of the License mess.) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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Hello, > -Original Message- > From: Mechtilde [mailto:o...@mechtilde.de] > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 12:17 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording? > > Hello, > > Am 24.05.20 um 11:52 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] > >> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:21 AM > >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording? > >> > >> > >> Am 24.05.20 um 11:10 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > >>> It's not that I think it would be good to use OOXML (I mean > >> instead of ODF), it's just that users need this feature. > > > >> We have already multiple Ideas how to close the gap. > > > > Where can I get concrete information about these ideas? > > > > Let's not forget: the filters have been ready for years and > all we need is their integration into AOO. > > > >> I suggest one step at a time. If there is a capable developer > >> who can do > >> this, we will guide him through our ideas. > > > > I have not demanded that OOXML be given preference at this > time. However, I don't know how we can solve comprehensive > issues, such as OOXML, if we don't plan for them. > > We need developers with enough knowledge of C++ to adapt and integrate > the code in our ones Everyone knows that. Me too. But Peter talked about 'multiple ideas to fill the gap on OOXML'. *What are these ideas?* greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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+1 to Rory's suggestion. Since the discussion already went of topic, let's not forget to rephrase that sentence... ;-) Regards, Matthias Am 24.05.20 um 09:20 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: > On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 > Czesław Wolański wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache OpenOffice?" >> >> https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice >> >> Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about one part (2nd >> bulleted list, 2nd item): >> >> "It's easy to change to Apache OpenOffice - the software reads all major >> competitors' files" >> >> From a purely linguistic perspective: is wording "reads all major >> competitors' files" to be understood as: >> >> - it reads all files of major competitors >> OR >> - it reads files of all major competitors >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Czesław Wolański > Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. > > I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some .docx and > perhaps others not yet developed. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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Hello, Am 24.05.20 um 11:52 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] >> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:21 AM >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording? >> >> >> Am 24.05.20 um 11:10 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: >>> It's not that I think it would be good to use OOXML (I mean >> instead of ODF), it's just that users need this feature. > >> We have already multiple Ideas how to close the gap. > > Where can I get concrete information about these ideas? > > Let's not forget: the filters have been ready for years and all we need is > their integration into AOO. > >> I suggest one step at a time. If there is a capable developer >> who can do >> this, we will guide him through our ideas. > > I have not demanded that OOXML be given preference at this time. However, I > don't know how we can solve comprehensive issues, such as OOXML, if we don't > plan for them. We need developers with enough knowledge of C++ to adapt and integrate the code in our ones > > > greetings, > Jörg > Kind regards -- Mechtilde Stehmann ## Apache OpenOffice ## Freie Office Suite für Linux, MacOSX, Windows und OS/2 ## Debian Developer ## PGP encryption welcome ## F0E3 7F3D C87A 4998 2899 39E7 F287 7BBA 141A AD7F signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
RE: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
> -Original Message- > From: Czesław Wolański [mailto:czeslaw.wolan...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:31 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording? > > Hi, > > On the said page i.e. > https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice > there is a statement: > > "With a fully open development process, > Apache OpenOffice has nothing to hide - the product stands or > falls on its > reputation". > > To take "one step at a time" and not to lose sight of the > long term is what > OpenOffice needs. +1 This is an absolutely accurate assessment of the needs. greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
> -Original Message- > From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:21 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording? > > > Am 24.05.20 um 11:10 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > > It's not that I think it would be good to use OOXML (I mean > instead of ODF), it's just that users need this feature. > We have already multiple Ideas how to close the gap. Where can I get concrete information about these ideas? Let's not forget: the filters have been ready for years and all we need is their integration into AOO. > I suggest one step at a time. If there is a capable developer > who can do > this, we will guide him through our ideas. I have not demanded that OOXML be given preference at this time. However, I don't know how we can solve comprehensive issues, such as OOXML, if we don't plan for them. greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Hi Rory, all > On May 24, 2020 8:20 AM Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. > > I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some .docx and > perhaps others not yet developed. Since you are (and correctly so) referring to file types, I would change to "reads all current file types of major competitors." The fact that it does not read one particular .docx file does not mean that it does not support reading the .docx file type. As for the discussion of Saving to OOXML format, personally I prefer OpenOffice's approach: if you can not do it right then don't do it. Other office suites try to save in OOXML but because it is an ever changing proprietary format, the files are not quite the same and many times I have witnessed lost of data and/or lost of formatting (which means lost of time and lost of users) Regards, Pedro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Hi, On the said page i.e. https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice there is a statement: "With a fully open development process, Apache OpenOffice has nothing to hide - the product stands or falls on its reputation". To take "one step at a time" and not to lose sight of the long term is what OpenOffice needs. Greetings, Czesław Am So., 24. Mai 2020 um 11:21 Uhr schrieb Peter Kovacs : > > Am 24.05.20 um 11:10 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > > It's not that I think it would be good to use OOXML (I mean instead of > ODF), it's just that users need this feature. > > Nobody thinks OOXML is an unimportant feature. I have not seen anyone > against it. We have already multiple Ideas how to close the gap. > > However our 4.2.0 is our next milestone, and we should focus on that. > That will be a huge step forward for the project as it is consisted > > at the moment. > > I suggest one step at a time. If there is a capable developer who can do > this, we will guide him through our ideas. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Am 24.05.20 um 11:10 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: It's not that I think it would be good to use OOXML (I mean instead of ODF), it's just that users need this feature. Nobody thinks OOXML is an unimportant feature. I have not seen anyone against it. We have already multiple Ideas how to close the gap. However our 4.2.0 is our next milestone, and we should focus on that. That will be a huge step forward for the project as it is consisted at the moment. I suggest one step at a time. If there is a capable developer who can do this, we will guide him through our ideas. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
> -Original Message- > From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 10:42 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording? > > On Sun, 24 May 2020 10:30:58 +0200 > Jörg Schmidt wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] > > > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:20 AM > > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > > > Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording? > > > > > > On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 > > > Czesław Wolański wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache > > > OpenOffice?" > > > > > > > > > https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice > > > > > > > > Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about > > > one part (2nd > > > > bulleted list, 2nd item): > > > > > > > > "It's easy to change to Apache OpenOffice - the software > > > reads all major > > > > competitors' files" > > > > > > > > From a purely linguistic perspective: is wording "reads > all major > > > > competitors' files" to be understood as: > > > > > > > > - it reads all files of major competitors > > > > OR > > > > - it reads files of all major competitors > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Czesław Wolański > > > > > > Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. > > > > > > I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some > > > .docx and perhaps others not yet developed. > > > > They are developed. The filters for these formats are ready > for integration into AOO, but they only have to be integrated. > > > > The fact that this important work has not been done for > years is simply a disaster, because it forces more and more > users to turn away from AOO. > > > > > > grretings, > > Jörg > > There have been (on Forum) some small number of .nnnx files > that AOO could not read. Rather than make an absolute > statement "All files", I prefer that one should say "most > files", to cater for the odd "rogue" file that for some > reason will not read. Yes, I did not object to _this_ formulation at all, but only to the claim that there is still much to be developed regarding the reading of the formats. *But I see my mistake, it was about "read format" and not also about write format.* So: I was wrong. I just think practical requirements must count here and as I have been involved with OO professionally for over 12 years, I can only conclude that one of the main reasons for professional users to use AOO today is that AOO cannot store the OOXML formats. It's not that I think it would be good to use OOXML (I mean instead of ODF), it's just that users need this feature. greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
On Sun, 24 May 2020 10:30:58 +0200 Jörg Schmidt wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] > > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:20 AM > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > > Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording? > > > > On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 > > Czesław Wolański wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache > > OpenOffice?" > > > > > > https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice > > > > > > Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about > > one part (2nd > > > bulleted list, 2nd item): > > > > > > "It's easy to change to Apache OpenOffice - the software > > reads all major > > > competitors' files" > > > > > > From a purely linguistic perspective: is wording "reads all major > > > competitors' files" to be understood as: > > > > > > - it reads all files of major competitors > > > OR > > > - it reads files of all major competitors > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Czesław Wolański > > > > Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. > > > > I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some > > .docx and perhaps others not yet developed. > > They are developed. The filters for these formats are ready for integration > into AOO, but they only have to be integrated. > > The fact that this important work has not been done for years is simply a > disaster, because it forces more and more users to turn away from AOO. > > > grretings, > Jörg There have been (on Forum) some small number of .nnnx files that AOO could not read. Rather than make an absolute statement "All files", I prefer that one should say "most files", to cater for the odd "rogue" file that for some reason will not read. Rory -- Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
> -Original Message- > From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:20 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording? > > On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 > Czesław Wolański wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache > OpenOffice?" > > > > https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice > > > > Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about > one part (2nd > > bulleted list, 2nd item): > > > > "It's easy to change to Apache OpenOffice - the software > reads all major > > competitors' files" > > > > From a purely linguistic perspective: is wording "reads all major > > competitors' files" to be understood as: > > > > - it reads all files of major competitors > > OR > > - it reads files of all major competitors > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Czesław Wolański > > Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. > > I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some > .docx and perhaps others not yet developed. They are developed. The filters for these formats are ready for integration into AOO, but they only have to be integrated. The fact that this important work has not been done for years is simply a disaster, because it forces more and more users to turn away from AOO. grretings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
+1 Am 24.05.20 um 10:05 schrieb Czesław Wolański: Hi, Thank you very much for explanation and far-sighted proposal. I hope others will agree and I might finally enjoy peace of mind for... "Roma locuta, causa finita" [1]. ;‑) Kind regards, Czesław [1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Roma_locuta,_causa_finita Am So., 24. Mai 2020 um 09:20 Uhr schrieb Rory O'Farrell : On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 Czesław Wolański wrote: Hi, Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache OpenOffice?" https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about one part (2nd bulleted list, 2nd item): "It's easy to change to Apache OpenOffice - the software reads all major competitors' files" From a purely linguistic perspective: is wording "reads all major competitors' files" to be understood as: - it reads all files of major competitors OR - it reads files of all major competitors Best regards, Czesław Wolański Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some .docx and perhaps others not yet developed. -- Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
Hi, Thank you very much for explanation and far-sighted proposal. I hope others will agree and I might finally enjoy peace of mind for... "Roma locuta, causa finita" [1]. ;‑) Kind regards, Czesław [1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Roma_locuta,_causa_finita Am So., 24. Mai 2020 um 09:20 Uhr schrieb Rory O'Farrell : > On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 > Czesław Wolański wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache OpenOffice?" > > > > https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice > > > > Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about one part (2nd > > bulleted list, 2nd item): > > > > "It's easy to change to Apache OpenOffice - the software reads all major > > competitors' files" > > > > From a purely linguistic perspective: is wording "reads all major > > competitors' files" to be understood as: > > > > - it reads all files of major competitors > > OR > > - it reads files of all major competitors > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Czesław Wolański > > Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. > > I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some .docx and > perhaps others not yet developed. > -- > Rory O'Farrell > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?
On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:03 +0200 Czesław Wolański wrote: > Hi, > > Apache OpenOffice Product Description, section "Why Apache OpenOffice?" > > https://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html#why-apache-openoffice > > Not being a native English speaker I have some doubts about one part (2nd > bulleted list, 2nd item): > > "It's easy to change to Apache OpenOffice - the software reads all major > competitors' files" > > From a purely linguistic perspective: is wording "reads all major > competitors' files" to be understood as: > > - it reads all files of major competitors > OR > - it reads files of all major competitors > > > Best regards, > > Czesław Wolański Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors. I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some .docx and perhaps others not yet developed. -- Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
