Re: "dist" move...
On 06.12.2012 00:03, Kay Schenk wrote: I put in a request, as part of our graduation process, to have our "dist" area moved to a top level. INFRA-5607 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5607 The issue is requesting a move to http://www.apache.org/dist/ooo, but shouldn't this better be named */openoffice (or */aoo)? Herbert
Re: Apply a wiki account
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Open Office Cost
Hi Team, Just wanted to understand, is there any cost for Open Office Support, if yes how much is the cost? I want to position Open Office in one of my solution and need 2 years support. Regards, Ravi Makhija | Presales Manager Trimax IT Infrastructure & Services Limited., Mumbai M.: +91 7738087195 | T.: +91 22 4068 1257 | F.: +91 22 4068 1001 Email signature#1 f.jpg
Re: Apache OO program crashes
Thank you very much, Andrea! The tip in that User Profile tutorial seemed to work at first, but then I experienced another crash of the AOO program. At present, it does not seem to be as bad as before. I experience fewer program crashes than before. I wish this could be resolved completely. It's frustrating to be working on something and then having to restore the program. I still have to re-enter the password, but so far I haven't had to do a full reset of the password. Thank you again, so much, for responding and helping! Yours very truly, Paine In a message dated 11/14/2012 3:08:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pesce...@apache.org writes: On 13/11/2012 Painius wrote: > then I should notify all of you to see if someone > else has the problem and possibly a solution. His tip did > not keep AOO from crashing, so here goes... Frequent crashes are often due to the first of our Known Issues: http://www.openoffice .org/development/releases/3.4.1.html#AOO3.4.1ReleaseNotes-KnownIssues Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 manage the user profile differently than previous versions. The old user profile is automatically converted so that users can keep their extensions and settings. In a minority of cases, especially with highly customized profiles (many extensions or customizations) the conversion doesn't succeed. Common symptoms are: frequent application crashes, problems with dictionaries or thesaurus, OpenOffice starting and crashing after a few seconds. To solve this, just reset/rename your user profile as explained in the official OpenOffice forum. http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12426 Regards, Andrea.
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Re: correct response to finding previous found bug?
Hi Lucas, On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 10:34:24PM -0600, Lucas Burson wrote: > > Do you know C++? Are you willing to dive into the source? I/we can give > > a hand and point you where to look. > > I do know C++ (and xslt, if it's anywhere) and I am willing to play > with source. The downside is that I've never worked on a project of > this size... so I started with picking up QA stuff. But I would > definitely like to help. Good to know. Did you already build OpenOffice? In which platform are you developing? Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpWJ55WbAJru.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [PROPOSAL] Delete snapshots section from download page
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > Rob, > > Thanks for clearly singling out this critical issue from the other issues > regarding developer snapshots. > > On Dec 5, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> http://www.openoffice.org/download/ >> >> This has a section that promotes the download of pre-release binaries >> to the general public. This is against ASF Release Policy, where it >> says: >> >> "During the process of developing software and preparing a release, >> various packages are made available to the developer community for >> testing purposes. Do not include any links on the project website that >> might encourage non-developers to download and use nightly builds, >> snapshots, release candidates, or any other similar package. The only >> people who are supposed to know about such packages are the people >> following the dev list (or searching its archives) and thus aware of >> the conditions placed on the package. If you find that the general >> public are downloading such test packages, then remove them." >> >> http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what >> >> We're in flagrant violation of this policy. The page in question, >> http://www.openoffice.org/download/, is the single post popular page >> on the website, more popular than the home page. It gets over 3 >> million visits per month. >> >> Unless anyone can come up with contrary policy interpretation, for >> example, from legal-discuss or the ASF Board, I'll go ahead and remove >> that section from the webpage in one week. > > I did not notice that these links had been rewritten and reenabled. I > purposefully hid these during the OOo migration and 3.4 release process. > > I completely agree that the links need to be removed ASAP. Has Infrastructure > reenabled publish with the svn move? If so, I see no reason to wait a whole > week. > I'm hoping this doesn't need to be discussed for a week. But I'm on vacation this week, and the CMS is still not updated to reflect the SVN move, so in practice it might take a week for this change to be made. -Rob > Also, please adjust http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html as well. > > As project developers we will need to inform people on an as needed basis > about the CWiki page only during ML conversations on dev, qa and L10N mailing > lists. > > Thanks & Regards, > Dave
Re: Open Office Cost
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 2:22 AM, Ravi Makhija wrote: > Hi Team, > > ** ** > > Just wanted to understand, is there any cost for Open Office Support, if > yes how much is the cost? > > ** ** > > I want to position Open Office in one of my solution and need 2 years > support. > > ** > "Support" means different things to different people. Apache OpenOffice is a free, open source application, published by the non-profit Apache Software Foundation. It is programmed, tested, translated, etc., by volunteers. We help answer user questions via a mailing list and an online forum. This support is free, provided by volunteers. This "community support" is fine for many users. But if you need something more specific, like telephone support, or guaranteed problem resolution time, then you may need to investigate commercial support for OpenOffice. We do not provide this service, but we do have a page that links to some consultants who might be of interest: http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html Regards, -Rob > ** > > * Regards,* > > * Ravi Makhija | Presales Manager* > > * Trimax IT Infrastructure & Services Limited., Mumbai* > > * **M.:** +*91 7738087195* | T.: *+91 22 4068 1257* | F.: *+91 22 4068 > 1001 > > * * > > [image: Email signature#1 f.jpg] > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > ** ** >
Project idea: Calc for Statistics
Hi guys; FWIW, while I was playing with the new random number generator I went around looking for some references and I found this paper from the Journal of Statistical Software (2010) titled "On the Numerical Accuracy of Spreadsheets": http://www.jstatsoft.org/v34/i04/paper It basically shows that Calc, among other Spreadsheet programs, is not really well suited for statistical analysis. Something rather amazing is that the major statistic suites have been moving towards a more "spreadsheet-like" environment. I am personally a fan of Minitab as it brings many functions that I needed for Quality control in a previous job. The price of the software package sky-rocketed in few years though :(. One approach could be improving our local functions to match more demanding specifications: some of that will necessarily have to be done. Another approach could be facilitating interactions with software like R, and I am aware that approach has many followers. A third approach, which I would like to suggest as a future project, would be developing a scaddin focused on statistics and making full use of the functions from boost that we already have available as a module but we are not using to their full extent. I know we are all busy with other stuff to improve for 4.0 Release, just thought I'd leave the idea for the future. cheers, Pedro.
Re: DOCX: merged comments
On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:22 AM, Pavel Janík wrote: > So yes, the patch is influenced by similar LO change and Apache OpenOffice > project has to receive original author's ack. Accorging to LibreOffice' VCS, > it is Cedric. I'll ask him for acknowledgement. Cedric declined, so if anyone is interested to recreate the change from scratch, go for it. It is very simple one. I won't do it myself to prevent legal issues. The problem is very simple: Grab some DOCX document containing more than two comments (so you can check the results). Unzip it. Investigate Comments part (see Office Open XML Part 1 - Fundamentals And Markup Language Reference.pdf for more details). Investigate xmllint --format word/comments.xml Grep for comments: bash-3.2$ xmllint --format word/comments.xml | grep " According to wml.xsd, attribute id (w:id) is: but our model (writerfilter/source/ooxml/model.xml) contains: which means it is being worked on as a string which is wrong. It should be ST_DecimalNumber. And thats all. -- Pavel Janík
Re: correct response to finding previous found bug?
> Good to know. Did you already build OpenOffice? In which platform are > you developing? Nope, I did not build it yet. I did get the AOO4.0 M1 binary release and I've done a few manual tests on TestLink; soon I'll checkout the svn automated tests to see what that's like (looked really easy, someone did a nice job). I use Ubuntu 64bit. Is the Milestone 1 release on SVN? I could try building that Regards, Lucas
Re: Project idea: Calc for Statistics
Hi, I found the following paper several weeks ago in [1] (written in Japanese) that descrives about the paper that Pedro mentioned. "On the accuracy of statistical procedures in Microsoft Excel 2010", Submitted but rejected, January 2012 http://homepages.ulb.ac.be/~gmelard/Recherche.htm And I have seen some people want to use tool such as data analysys tools provided on Excel. There is Apache Commons Math library provides statistical tools written in Java. It is good stuff to make analysis tool as an extension also, if someone wanted. I have started to make such thing but it's discontinued. [1] http://oku.edu.mie-u.ac.jp/~okumura/blog/node/2585 Tsutomu 2012/12/7, Pedro Giffuni : > Hi guys; > > FWIW, while I was playing with the new random number generator I went > around looking for some references and I found this paper from the Journal > of Statistical Software (2010) titled "On the Numerical Accuracy of > Spreadsheets": > > http://www.jstatsoft.org/v34/i04/paper > > > It basically shows that Calc, among other Spreadsheet programs, is not > really well suited for statistical analysis. > > Something rather amazing is that the major statistic suites have been moving > towards a more "spreadsheet-like" environment. I am personally a fan of > Minitab as it brings many functions that I needed for Quality control in a > previous job. The price of the software package sky-rocketed in few years > though :(. > > One approach could be improving our local functions to match more > demanding specifications: some of that will necessarily have to be done. > Another approach could be facilitating interactions with software like R, > > and I am aware that approach has many followers. A third approach, which > I would like to suggest as a future project, would be developing a scaddin > focused on statistics and making full use of the functions from boost that > we already have available as a module but we are not using to their full > extent. > > I know we are all busy with other stuff to improve for 4.0 Release, just > thought I'd leave the idea for the future. > > cheers, > > Pedro.
Re: Project idea: Calc for Statistics
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > Hi guys; > > FWIW, while I was playing with the new random number generator I went > around looking for some references and I found this paper from the Journal > of Statistical Software (2010) titled "On the Numerical Accuracy of > Spreadsheets": > > http://www.jstatsoft.org/v34/i04/paper > Two other relevant papers: http://arc.nucapt.northwestern.edu/~karnesky/sdarticle.pdf http://www.csdassn.org/software_reports/gnumeric.pdf > > It basically shows that Calc, among other Spreadsheet programs, is not > really well suited for statistical analysis. > > Something rather amazing is that the major statistic suites have been moving > towards a more "spreadsheet-like" environment. I am personally a fan of > Minitab as it brings many functions that I needed for Quality control in a > previous job. The price of the software package sky-rocketed in few years > though :(. > > One approach could be improving our local functions to match more > demanding specifications: some of that will necessarily have to be done. > Another approach could be facilitating interactions with software like R, > > and I am aware that approach has many followers. A third approach, which > I would like to suggest as a future project, would be developing a scaddin > focused on statistics and making full use of the functions from boost that > we already have available as a module but we are not using to their full > extent. > So two entirely different questions: 1) Improving the accuracy the statistical (and other numerical methods) we already have. 2) Extending the range of numerical methods we provide out-of-the-box I think #1 is a no-brainer, but it does require some expertise. The hard part is determining whether we have improved. For most problems we probably already get the same results as SPSS, R or other standard statistical packages. To really make an improvement we need to test the edge cases, the "poorly conditioned" and more complex cases. For #2, it probably makes sense to define a bridge to R. R is now the standard and there are hundreds of libraries that extend the environment. You can call R routines from SAS or SPPS. I just got the new Mathematica 9 upgrade, and guess what? They've now added the ability to call R. So some seamless of calling R routines and embedding R plots in Calc would be great. -Rob > I know we are all busy with other stuff to improve for 4.0 Release, just > thought I'd leave the idea for the future. > > cheers, > > Pedro.
Re: "dist" move...
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Herbert Duerr wrote: > On 06.12.2012 00:03, Kay Schenk wrote: >> >> I put in a request, as part of our graduation process, to have our >> "dist" area moved to a top level. >> >> INFRA-5607 >> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5607 > > > The issue is requesting a move to http://www.apache.org/dist/ooo, but > shouldn't this better be named */openoffice (or */aoo)? > > Herbert Herbert -- see comments by Henk on the ticket. It does appear that /dist/openoffice will be the new top-level name for our *next* release -- nothing will be moved now. Perhaps this was already communicated to infra and I was not aware of it. Also, of more immediate concern is the archiving of the 3.4.0 source release and possibly the 3.3. patch. -- MzK “How wrong is it for a woman to expect the man to build the world she wants, rather than to create it herself?” -- Anais Nin
Re: correct response to finding previous found bug?
Hi Lucas, On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 10:41:58AM -0600, Lucas Burson wrote: > > Good to know. Did you already build OpenOffice? In which platform are > > you developing? > > Nope, I did not build it yet. > I did get the AOO4.0 M1 binary release and I've done a few manual > tests on TestLink; soon I'll checkout the svn automated tests to see > what that's like (looked really easy, someone did a nice job). I use > Ubuntu 64bit. > > Is the Milestone 1 release on SVN? I could try building that Yes, it is as a tag and there is a branch for 3.4*, but if you want to start developing, the best it work directly with trunk (and use git-svn instead of subversion, it is better for a project this size; I don't recall if there is somewhere on the building guide a instruction to check out the source with git-svn, but I can give the one I use in case you choose git instead of subversion). Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpiIXOdLy6jq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: correct response to finding previous found bug?
> > Yes, it is as a tag and there is a branch for 3.4*, but if you want to > start developing, the best it work directly with trunk (and use git-svn > instead of subversion, it is better for a project this size; I don't > recall if there is somewhere on the building guide a instruction to > check out the source with git-svn, but I can give the one I use in case > you choose git instead of subversion). > Thanks forthe info Ariel. Is [1] the right place for the AOO4 M1 code? And I found [2] which has 'git svn clone ...', is that git-svn? I've used git for a couple of small github projects but never mixed svn and git. I do want to help with development. [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/tags/SNAPSHOT/ [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Source_Code
Re: Project idea: Calc for Statistics
Hi Pedro, Pedro Giffuni schrieb: Hi guys; FWIW, while I was playing with the new random number generator I went around looking for some references and I found this paper from the Journal of Statistical Software (2010) titled "On the Numerical Accuracy of Spreadsheets": http://www.jstatsoft.org/v34/i04/paper It basically shows that Calc, among other Spreadsheet programs, is not really well suited for statistical analysis. They use an old version of Calc. In the meantime Calc has got a lot of accuracy improvements. And the new implementations in Excel 2010 are far more accurate than the old ones. The special results of the paper are outdated. Of cause the general problem of using spreadsheets for data exploration remains. Something rather amazing is that the major statistic suites have been moving towards a more "spreadsheet-like" environment. I am personally a fan of Minitab as it brings many functions that I needed for Quality control in a previous job. The price of the software package sky-rocketed in few years though :(. I'm not familiar with special statistical software. One problem with Calc is, that users do not how to use the functions in Calc for they purpose, for example making an ANOVA. So providing wizards would be helpful. One approach could be improving our local functions to match more demanding specifications: some of that will necessarily have to be done. Another approach could be facilitating interactions with software like R, https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=66589 and I am aware that approach has many followers. A third approach, which I would like to suggest as a future project, would be developing a scaddin focused on statistics and making full use of the functions from boost that we already have available as a module but we are not using to their full extent. I know that Calc is really inaccurate in some corner cases and a comparison with the solutions from boost would be good. One problem is, that Calc is limited to double precision because of the MSCV compiler. As far as I know, boost uses own types to get better precision. I know we are all busy with other stuff to improve for 4.0 Release, just thought I'd leave the idea for the future. I had done a lot for statistical functions under the mentor-ship of Eike in the past, but now I'm more interested in Draw. Some problems, which need to be solved are: - Adapt FDIST, FINV, and TDIST to ODF - New algorithm needed in ScInterpreter::GetBetaDist, see "FIXME" there - Better detection of singular matrices - Change the LINEST function to check for collinearity (Excel compatibility) Kind regards Regina
Re: "dist" move...
On 12/6/2012 9:40 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Herbert Duerr wrote: On 06.12.2012 00:03, Kay Schenk wrote: I put in a request, as part of our graduation process, to have our "dist" area moved to a top level. INFRA-5607 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5607 The issue is requesting a move to http://www.apache.org/dist/ooo, but shouldn't this better be named */openoffice (or */aoo)? Herbert Herbert -- see comments by Henk on the ticket. It does appear that /dist/openoffice will be the new top-level name for our *next* release -- nothing will be moved now. Perhaps this was already communicated to infra and I was not aware of it. Also, of more immediate concern is the archiving of the 3.4.0 source release and possibly the 3.3. patch. All of this is driven by the nature of /dist/, how it is mirrored outside Apache, and the pretty substantial resources taken up by our release. There are consequences to moving something once it is there - some mirrors might end up with both areas mirrored, for example. The best way to resolve that (in the opinion of infra - AIUI) is to move the location on our next release, this allows for planing of resources and the notification of the mirror network. It seems a reasonable approach to me. Andrew
Re: Project idea: Calc for Statistics
Hi Regina; >_ > From: Regina Henschel > >Hi Pedro, > >Pedro Giffuni schrieb: >> Hi guys; >> >> FWIW, while I was playing with the new random number generator I went >> around looking for some references and I found this paper from the Journal >> of Statistical Software (2010) titled "On the Numerical Accuracy of >> Spreadsheets": >> >> http://www.jstatsoft.org/v34/i04/paper >> >> >> It basically shows that Calc, among other Spreadsheet programs, is not >> really well suited for statistical analysis. > >They use an old version of Calc. In the meantime Calc has got a lot of >accuracy improvements. And the new implementations in Excel 2010 are far more >accurate than the old ones. The special results of the paper are outdated. Of >cause the general problem of using spreadsheets for data exploration remains. That's refreshing to know, thank you! The article linked by Tsutomu is somewhat more up to date and indeed mentions that Excel has been working hard on that field too. The list towards the end of your message is very interesting too. I will have a look too .. when I find time. > > >> >> Something rather amazing is that the major statistic suites have been moving >> towards a more "spreadsheet-like" environment. I am personally a fan of >> Minitab as it brings many functions that I needed for Quality control in a >> previous job. The price of the software package sky-rocketed in few years >> though :(. > >I'm not familiar with special statistical software. One problem with Calc is, >that users do not how to use the functions in Calc for they purpose, for >example making an ANOVA. So providing wizards would be helpful. Hmm .. I haven't looked at how Excel does Anova. We surely have the tools to do Anova but people do expect to see it as a handy script somewhere. The statistical packages out there are not very different in that sense and in many ways they emulate Excel. > >> >> One approach could be improving our local functions to match more >> demanding specifications: some of that will necessarily have to be done. >> Another approach could be facilitating interactions with software like R, > >https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=66589 > Yes, as I said that approach has many followers (Hi Rob :) ). Working on one approach doesn't mean we forget the others. >> >> and I am aware that approach has many followers. A third approach, which >> I would like to suggest as a future project, would be developing a scaddin >> focused on statistics and making full use of the functions from boost that >> we already have available as a module but we are not using to their full >> extent. > >I know that Calc is really inaccurate in some corner cases and a comparison >with the solutions from boost would be good. One problem is, that Calc is >limited to double precision because of the MSCV compiler. As far as I know, >boost uses own types to get better precision. > I am really hesitant to depend on the math functions in boost for the base Calc because most users don't need such stuff and keeping up to date with Boost can be painful. It's also rather nice to have our own implementations of the basic functions. With the boost stuff we get better performance and precision but we still have to add the same high level functions/scripts for things like Anova. It would be fine to use boost in scaddins, I think, and that would leave us a lot of space for experimentation without interfering with the basic Calc. This is all wishful thinking though, I doubt i will have the time for this soon. >> >> I know we are all busy with other stuff to improve for 4.0 Release, just >> thought I'd leave the idea for the future. > >I had done a lot for statistical functions under the mentor-ship of Eike in >the past, but now I'm more interested in Draw. > Yes I noticed :). FWIW, my favorite drawing utility is Xara which was copylefted some time ago but never picked much followers :(. Armin's work is absolutely cool though. >Some problems, which need to be solved are: >- Adapt FDIST, FINV, and TDIST to ODF >- New algorithm needed in ScInterpreter::GetBetaDist, see "FIXME" there >- Better detection of singular matrices >- Change the LINEST function to check for collinearity (Excel compatibility) > Thanks for this shortlist Pedro.
Re: correct response to finding previous found bug?
Hi Lucas, On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 12:49:08PM -0600, Lucas Burson wrote: > > > > Yes, it is as a tag and there is a branch for 3.4*, but if you want to > > start developing, the best it work directly with trunk (and use git-svn > > instead of subversion, it is better for a project this size; I don't > > recall if there is somewhere on the building guide a instruction to > > check out the source with git-svn, but I can give the one I use in case > > you choose git instead of subversion). > > > > Thanks forthe info Ariel. Is [1] the right place for the AOO4 M1 code? This is 3.4.1 tag: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/tags/AOO341/ svn co https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/tags/AOO341 This is 3.4 branch: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/branches/AOO34/ svn co https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/AOO34 For development, you should checkout trunk, the 3.4 branch is only for adding new translations. > And I found [2] which has 'git svn clone ...', is that git-svn? Yes, but you should use the master server URL (IIRC this was an advice from Eike or Michael Stahl): git svn clone https://svn-master.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk > I've used git for a couple of small github projects but never mixed > svn and git. There is a small tutorial http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/git-svn-tutorial If you search on the web, you'll find more. If you are familiar with git, it is rather simple, you use the svn wrapper only for updating the sources and committing changes (git svn rebase, git svn dcommit), for all the rest it's just git :) Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpWQbmR3dMER.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [PROPOSAL] Delete snapshots section from download page
Am 12/06/2012 04:00 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: Rob, Thanks for clearly singling out this critical issue from the other issues regarding developer snapshots. On Dec 5, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote: http://www.openoffice.org/download/ This has a section that promotes the download of pre-release binaries to the general public. This is against ASF Release Policy, where it says: "During the process of developing software and preparing a release, various packages are made available to the developer community for testing purposes. Do not include any links on the project website that might encourage non-developers to download and use nightly builds, snapshots, release candidates, or any other similar package. The only people who are supposed to know about such packages are the people following the dev list (or searching its archives) and thus aware of the conditions placed on the package. If you find that the general public are downloading such test packages, then remove them." http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what We're in flagrant violation of this policy. The page in question, http://www.openoffice.org/download/, is the single post popular page on the website, more popular than the home page. It gets over 3 million visits per month. Unless anyone can come up with contrary policy interpretation, for example, from legal-discuss or the ASF Board, I'll go ahead and remove that section from the webpage in one week. I did not notice that these links had been rewritten and reenabled. I purposefully hid these during the OOo migration and 3.4 release process. I completely agree that the links need to be removed ASAP. Has Infrastructure reenabled publish with the svn move? If so, I see no reason to wait a whole week. I'm hoping this doesn't need to be discussed for a week. But I'm on vacation this week, and the CMS is still not updated to reflect the SVN move, so in practice it might take a week for this change to be made. No problem, no need to wait for you. As soon as publishing is working again I can delete the respective stuff for the webpages. If linking is clearly against the ASF policy then it will be deleted. And that's it. Marcus Also, please adjust http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html as well. As project developers we will need to inform people on an as needed basis about the CWiki page only during ML conversations on dev, qa and L10N mailing lists. Thanks& Regards, Dave
Re: [PROPOSAL] Delete snapshots section from download page
Am 12/06/2012 02:03 AM, schrieb Dave Fisher: Rob, Thanks for clearly singling out this critical issue from the other issues regarding developer snapshots. On Dec 5, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote: http://www.openoffice.org/download/ This has a section that promotes the download of pre-release binaries to the general public. This is against ASF Release Policy, where it says: "During the process of developing software and preparing a release, various packages are made available to the developer community for testing purposes. Do not include any links on the project website that might encourage non-developers to download and use nightly builds, snapshots, release candidates, or any other similar package. The only people who are supposed to know about such packages are the people following the dev list (or searching its archives) and thus aware of the conditions placed on the package. If you find that the general public are downloading such test packages, then remove them." http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what We're in flagrant violation of this policy. The page in question, http://www.openoffice.org/download/, is the single post popular page on the website, more popular than the home page. It gets over 3 million visits per month. Unless anyone can come up with contrary policy interpretation, for example, from legal-discuss or the ASF Board, I'll go ahead and remove that section from the webpage in one week. I did not notice that these links had been rewritten and reenabled. I purposefully hid these during the OOo migration and 3.4 release process. I'm sure I've told here that the links could be enabled to point more people to these dev builds. But cannot find this for the moment in the archives. Marcus I completely agree that the links need to be removed ASAP. Has Infrastructure reenabled publish with the svn move? If so, I see no reason to wait a whole week. Also, please adjust http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html as well. As project developers we will need to inform people on an as needed basis about the CWiki page only during ML conversations on dev, qa and L10N mailing lists. Thanks& Regards, Dave
Re: [PROPOSAL] Delete snapshots section from download page
On Dec 6, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 12/06/2012 02:03 AM, schrieb Dave Fisher: >> Rob, >> >> Thanks for clearly singling out this critical issue from the other issues >> regarding developer snapshots. >> >> On Dec 5, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> http://www.openoffice.org/download/ >>> >>> This has a section that promotes the download of pre-release binaries >>> to the general public. This is against ASF Release Policy, where it >>> says: >>> >>> "During the process of developing software and preparing a release, >>> various packages are made available to the developer community for >>> testing purposes. Do not include any links on the project website that >>> might encourage non-developers to download and use nightly builds, >>> snapshots, release candidates, or any other similar package. The only >>> people who are supposed to know about such packages are the people >>> following the dev list (or searching its archives) and thus aware of >>> the conditions placed on the package. If you find that the general >>> public are downloading such test packages, then remove them." >>> >>> http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what >>> >>> We're in flagrant violation of this policy. The page in question, >>> http://www.openoffice.org/download/, is the single post popular page >>> on the website, more popular than the home page. It gets over 3 >>> million visits per month. >>> >>> Unless anyone can come up with contrary policy interpretation, for >>> example, from legal-discuss or the ASF Board, I'll go ahead and remove >>> that section from the webpage in one week. >> >> I did not notice that these links had been rewritten and reenabled. I >> purposefully hid these during the OOo migration and 3.4 release process. > > I'm sure I've told here that the links could be enabled to point more people > to these dev builds. But cannot find this for the moment in the archives. You may very well have done so, I have a vague recollection. I may have seen the dot, but I did not connect it to the other dot. Kudos to Rob for noticing and making the point in a thread of its own. Regards, Dave > > Marcus > > > >> I completely agree that the links need to be removed ASAP. Has >> Infrastructure reenabled publish with the svn move? If so, I see no reason >> to wait a whole week. >> >> Also, please adjust http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html as well. >> >> As project developers we will need to inform people on an as needed basis >> about the CWiki page only during ML conversations on dev, qa and L10N >> mailing lists. >> >> Thanks& Regards, >> Dave
Re: "dist" move...
Kay Schenk wrote: Also, of more immediate concern is the archiving of the 3.4.0 source release and possibly the 3.3. patch. This shouldn't be a problem. Everything is already on the Apache archive server. Examples: - 3.3 patch: http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/3.3/ - 3.4.0 source: http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/ - 3.4.1 binaries in German: http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/files/localized/de/3.4.1/ I don't see anything missing. The archive is obviously meant for archival and not for distribution, but it already contains everything we released so far. Regards, Andrea.
Re: "dist" move...
Am 12/06/2012 10:03 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Kay Schenk wrote: Also, of more immediate concern is the archiving of the 3.4.0 source release and possibly the 3.3. patch. This shouldn't be a problem. Everything is already on the Apache archive server. Examples: - 3.3 patch: http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/3.3/ - 3.4.0 source: http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/3.4.0/source/ - 3.4.1 binaries in German: http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/files/localized/de/3.4.1/ BTW: As old releases cannot be deleted from "dist" and moved to the archive when they are outdated - because they are already in the archive ;-) - the alternative solution stated by Henk doesn't work here. So, don't we need to switch to "http://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/"; here as well? Marcus I don't see anything missing. The archive is obviously meant for archival and not for distribution, but it already contains everything we released so far. Regards, Andrea.
Re: "dist" move...
On Dec 6, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Andrew Rist wrote: > > On 12/6/2012 9:40 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Herbert Duerr wrote: >>> On 06.12.2012 00:03, Kay Schenk wrote: I put in a request, as part of our graduation process, to have our "dist" area moved to a top level. INFRA-5607 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5607 >>> >>> The issue is requesting a move to http://www.apache.org/dist/ooo, but >>> shouldn't this better be named */openoffice (or */aoo)? >>> >>> Herbert >> Herbert -- see comments by Henk on the ticket. It does appear that >> /dist/openoffice will be the new top-level name for our *next* release >> -- nothing will be moved now. Perhaps this was already communicated to >> infra and I was not aware of it. >> >> Also, of more immediate concern is the archiving of the 3.4.0 source >> release and possibly the 3.3. patch. >> > All of this is driven by the nature of /dist/, how it is mirrored outside > Apache, and the pretty substantial resources taken up by our release. > There are consequences to moving something once it is there - some mirrors > might end up with both areas mirrored, for example. > The best way to resolve that (in the opinion of infra - AIUI) is to move the > location on our next release, this allows for planing of resources and the > notification of the mirror network. It seems a reasonable approach to me. This is the direction the comments are going in Kay's issue. Since the 3.4.1 Language packs are supplements to the 3.4.1 source release and will have incubator branding they will go into the incubator/ooo/ location. Some might think that we should be doing a full 3.4.2 with non-incubator branding, but no real need IMO. Regards, Dave > > Andrew
Re: Our SVN moved from "incubator/ooo" to "openoffice"
Am 11/26/2012 09:21 AM, schrieb Herbert Duerr: On 26.11.2012 04:32, j...@apache.org wrote: Author: joes Date: Mon Nov 26 03:32:20 2012 New Revision: 1413471 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1413471&view=rev Log: mv ooo to top-level Added: openoffice/ - copied from r1413470, incubator/ooo/ So our locations in the SVN repository were moved as discussed last week. Thank you, Joe! Here are the instructions to switch your checkouts to the new location: In case you are using SVN natively please change into the directory where your checked out AOO and run svn switch https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk there. If you are not working on trunk you have to replace "trunk" by the branches/bname (with bname being the branch name you are interested in), of course. In case you are using git-svn please change into the directory of your git-svn clone, open the file .git/config and find the section named [svn-remote "svn"] in there. In the "url=" line of that section please change the "incubator/ooo" part of the URL to "openoffice". I've a problem to switch to the new repo. The checked-out code is here: /asf-ooo/ooo-site/trunk When executing: svn switch https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk then it's working some minutes. But when opening the following file to check it: /share/daten/svn/asf-ooo/ooo-site/trunk/.svn/entries then I've still the old reference with: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk So, what am I doing wrong? Thanks for your help. Marcus
Re: [RELEASE] AOO.next = AOO 4.0
On 04/12/2012 Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: What was the outcome of this thread? Is trunk in 4.0 mode? Andrea update to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/f8KoAQ suggests so (I may have missed some mail telling so). No formal mail was sent, but there was large consensus on 4.0, so we can assume the trunk to be in 4.0 mode. All recently integrated changes into http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/ go in this direction too. Regards, Andrea.
Re: AOO nominated for "PortalProgramas" awards
At the end, it was from the 6th: the voting is open http://www.portalprogramas.com/software-libre/premios/proyecto/openoffice.org Regards Ricardo 2012/12/2 janI > Well not all is "mañana" here in spain. People who are motivated get things > done :-) > > and thanks for writing them, I still think in terms of "openoffice.org". > > Jan I. > > > On 2 December 2012 21:19, RGB ES wrote: > > > 2012/12/2 janI > > > > > Small correction, as far as I can see on > > > http://www.portalprogramas.com/software-libre/premios > > > Nominations end december 17, and voting runs december 17 to december > 31. > > > > > > Everybody can nominate a free software, so it is not a selection. > > > > > > BUT it is good that we are on the front page with a description ! > > > > > > (I will of course vote as december 17). > > > Jan I. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 December 2012 20:59, RGB ES wrote: > > > > > > > PortalProgramas is a Spanish site for free software and every year > runs > > > the > > > > "Premios PortalProgramas al software libre" (PortalProgramas Awards > for > > > > Free Software). AOO is nominated on two categories, "most popular > free > > > > software" and "essential for business" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.portalprogramas.com/software-libre/premios/proyecto/openoffice.org > > > > > > > > The site users will vote from December the 6th. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, on one page it says 6th December but on the rest of the > site > > the date is the 17th. > > > > The site admins are really accessible. There was a nomination for "most > > popular software" for "OpenOffice.org" so I wrote to them asking to > correct > > the name and suggested to add the "essential for business" category and > > they answered on less than an hour: too fast for a Sunday evening! > > > > Regards > > Ricardo > > >
Re: Our SVN moved from "incubator/ooo" to "openoffice"
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 11/26/2012 09:21 AM, schrieb Herbert Duerr: > >> On 26.11.2012 04:32, j...@apache.org wrote: >>> >>> Author: joes >>> Date: Mon Nov 26 03:32:20 2012 >>> New Revision: 1413471 >>> >>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1413471&view=rev >>> Log: >>> mv ooo to top-level >>> >>> Added: >>> openoffice/ >>> - copied from r1413470, incubator/ooo/ >> >> >> So our locations in the SVN repository were moved as discussed last >> week. Thank you, Joe! >> >> Here are the instructions to switch your checkouts to the new location: >> >> In case you are using SVN natively please change into the directory >> where your checked out AOO and run >> svn switch https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk >> there. If you are not working on trunk you have to replace "trunk" by >> the branches/bname (with bname being the branch name you are interested >> in), of course. >> >> In case you are using git-svn please change into the directory of your >> git-svn clone, open the file >> .git/config >> and find the section named >> [svn-remote "svn"] >> in there. In the "url=" line of that section please change the >> "incubator/ooo" part of the URL to "openoffice". > > > I've a problem to switch to the new repo. > > The checked-out code is here: > > /asf-ooo/ooo-site/trunk > > When executing: > > svn switch https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk > > then it's working some minutes. But when opening the following file to check > it: > > /share/daten/svn/asf-ooo/ooo-site/trunk/.svn/entries > > then I've still the old reference with: > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk > > So, what am I doing wrong? > > Thanks for your help. Marcus --- When I did this, I noted problems with my "entries" file as well. What I discovered it that the .svn/entries for "content" and the other sub-areas were OK, but not the top-level, trunk. You might check this as well. Since I never check IN the entire trunk, I don't think this will matter --we're mostly in "content". I have no other further information than this. Let us know what you find out. I thought maybe it was something I did wrong. > > Marcus -- MzK “How wrong is it for a woman to expect the man to build the world she wants, rather than to create it herself?” -- Anais Nin
Re: hello everybody.
Forwarding Juergen's answer, below, to Asim. Asim, please follow the archives at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/ to see answers. Andrea On 05/12/2012 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 12/5/12 2:50 AM, nimes raut wrote: hi, my name is asim raut from nepal.i study management course online from u.s.i love trekking,rafting,cycling.in my spare time ,i love to read books,watch movies and enjoy listening songs. asim raut g.p.o box no.7759 kathmandu,nepal Hi asim, welcome at Apache OpenOffice. Perhaps you can share with us what are your interest in OpenOffice what are you have in mind, what are the working areas you are interested in? Feel free to ask any kind of question that goes in direction of how you can help and join the project. If you are interested more in user questions I would recommend our users (users at openoffice.apache.org list or the forum (http://forum.openoffice.org/) Regards Juergen
Re: Problem
2012/12/7 Ray Bate > Every time I open my spread sheet and add a digit it goes into recovery > mode. > > I am now a little tired of this. > > Can you please offer a solution. > > I have tried deleting the program and downloading it again but with no > luck. > > The bug is still there. > > Ray Bate > > rayba...@bigpond.com This problem probably generated by a corrupted user profile, so you may try resetting it. See here for more details: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=12426 Regards
New to Development
Hi , I'm, Eric , a recent graduate from Southern Polytechnic State University, Marietta GA. I'm interested in learning more about Software development. I'm just not what area i would like to work in and I'm looking to explore a little. Thanks, Eric -- Email: ericdedmo...@gmail.com
[BugZilla]Service Temporarily Unavailable
BugZilla is not available, https://issues.apache.org/ooo/ gives this message Service Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. Regards Ricardo
Re: New to Development
Hi Eric, On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Eric Edmonds wrote: > Hi , > > I'm, Eric , a recent graduate from Southern Polytechnic State > University, Marietta GA. I'm interested in learning more about > Software development. I'm just not what area i would like to work in > and I'm looking to explore a little. check out https://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html For development there is a link to New Volunteer Orientation. And then sing out if you need more info. > > Thanks, > Eric > -- > Email: ericdedmo...@gmail.com -- Cheers, Ian C
Re: Merry Christmas!
Hi Imacat and all, > http://people.apache.org/~imacat/xmastree.ods > (Please do not view it in the browser.) I like the+star blinking on top of the tree :) Thanks, khirano > > -- > Best regards, > imacat ^_*' > PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc > > <> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ > Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ > Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ > OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ > EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ > Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ > -- khir...@apache.org Apache OpenOffice http://openoffice.apache.org
Re: Request Mwiki Account
On 12/6/2012 21:47, Samer Mansour wrote: Hello, My name is Samer Mansour, http://www.linkedin.com/in/mansours I am joining the marketing team and on the intro page for marketing team, it suggests everyone sign up for the MWiki. http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/orientation/intro-contributing.html Preferred username is smansour email is samer...@gmail.com Thanks Done. The email with your temporary password has been sent to you; please change it when you log in. If you have any problems, please write again to the list. Welcome to the wiki. /tj/
[RELEASE] Update 4.0 planning items
Hi, all, I suggest we update the planning items in 4.0 wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Planning I just updated the status of each items and added some more according to my reading of the mails. I hope every one can help to review the list and: (1) input your name if you volunteer to any of the items (especially those without owner now); (2) for those in "Proposed" status, update the wiki or reply to this mail, confirming if you still think you can/will deliver it in 4.0, or if you prefer to move it to future releases, or think it is no longer important or valid. (3) add new items that you are working on or you plan to deliver in 4.0. Then by the end of next week, I propose to move out those with no volunteer (I intent to move most of those items to 4.1 planning wiki temporary), then update the rest according to the response from volunteers. Please tell me if any comments/suggestion. And very appreciate for the update! Thanks! - Shenfeng (Simon)
Re: New to Development
Welcome to join us, Eric! Besides the link provided by Ian, you can also refer to this link for some general information to new comers: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/orientation/index.html . - Shenfeng (Simon) 2012/12/7 Ian C > Hi Eric, > > > > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Eric Edmonds > wrote: > > Hi , > > > > I'm, Eric , a recent graduate from Southern Polytechnic State > > University, Marietta GA. I'm interested in learning more about > > Software development. I'm just not what area i would like to work in > > and I'm looking to explore a little. > > check out https://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html > > For development there is a link to New Volunteer Orientation. > > And then sing out if you need more info. > > > > Thanks, > > Eric > > -- > > Email: ericdedmo...@gmail.com > > > > -- > Cheers, > > Ian C >
The OpenOffice Way of Christmas Greetings (was: Re: Merry Christmas!)
Hi. I would like to start a small event, to invite everyone to contribute your Christmas greetings, in an "OpenOffice Way". Starting from myself. http://people.apache.org/~imacat/xmastree.ods (Please download and view it instead of viewing it in the browser. Also if you are in windows, uncheck the "read-only" when open it.) It's OK with or without macros. A simple one-page presentation would be nice. Just for fun and a warm season. ^_*' On 2012/12/07 10:38, Kazunari Hirano said: > Hi Imacat and all, > >> http://people.apache.org/~imacat/xmastree.ods >> (Please do not view it in the browser.) > > I like the+star blinking on top of the tree :) Thanks. ^_*' > > Thanks, > khirano > >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> imacat ^_*' >> PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc >> >> <> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ >> Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ >> Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ >> OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ >> EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ >> Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc <> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
