[freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Matthew Toseland]

On Thursday 24 Nov 2011 20:19:25 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> Steve, now I'm writing my master's thesis.
> Initially it was devoted to file searching application which would provide
> search mechanism via new format indexes
> Now I'm writing a spam-proof,user-friendly application which allows users
> to share their indexes, maintain them and download others using special
> NNTP messages. It operates NNTP messages using FMS like NNTP bridge.
> e.g. user chooses what files he wants to insert in Freenet, add
> metainformation it and click add. After it special xml message is generated
> and inserted into  FMS, files are queued to be inserted into Freenet. Other
> users can see that such index appeared. Also it allows to trust or not to
> trust index-creators and their opinion about other people (as it is done in
> FMS) to provide users from spam . It would look like something like Thaw,
> something like FMS.
> If you are interested in it I can give more details =)
> 
> Best regards,
> nikotyan
> 
Did you make any headway with this? Please let me know if you need any 
particular features in Freenet to be expedited (e.g. video filtering).
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[freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Matthew Toseland]

On Tuesday 22 Nov 2011 08:53:11 C. Michael Crosiar wrote:
> Hi Tatyana,
> 
> I have been working on designs for a filesharing plugin for the last
> couple of months. I have not yet presented my ideas, as I was not quite
> ready.  However, I'll go ahead and give a summary of my thoughts to
> date.
> 
> I'm looking for a user interface much like that of YouTube. The
> important part of this to me is the concept of "channels". Channels
> allow a user to subscribe to content they are interested in. So, if a
> user/channel publishes new content, all of the subscribers to that users
> channel will be notified of the new content. Further, the new content of
> all subscribed channels would be downloaded automatically. The idea here
> is to lower the impact of Freenet's latency - much of the content you
> are interested in is already downloaded and available when you begin
> browsing. Channels will be rated and content prioritized for channels
> that you have rated highly (WoT?). Filters would also be applied to
> prevent large downloads without explicit permission.
> 
> Here are a few sections from my current design documentation (Please
> note that this is a work in progress and that I have not yet
> investigated the best leveraging of existing Freenet plugins):
> 
> Social Media User Interface and Functionality
> Much like YouTube, the plugin will have a start page suggesting channels
> and content that you may be interested in. However, the plugin content
> is not limited to just videos, it can also include images, and audio
> content. In the future, this may also include other media types, such as
> PDFs and Wiki pages.
> 
> The channel suggestions will be channels that your subscriptions have
> subscribed to. The concept here is that if you are interested in a
> channel, it likely has content that appeals to you. Therefore it is
> likely that any channels that they subscribe to may also have content of
> interest to you. In order to assist you in determining if that is true,
> channels suggestions will include a summary of the channel, something
> not provided by YouTube. This is important, as new channels and new
> channel content will not be immediately visible, due to the latency of
> Freenet. Once you subscribe to a new channel, the content of that
> channel will automatically begin to be downloaded and cached in the
> background for later viewing (subject to filtering).
> 
> Videos will also have thumbnails and previews so that you can prioritize
> downloads that you think you may be of interest to you. This is again
> done to deal with the latency of Freenet. Content that is already cached
> will have a symbol in front of it, indicating that it is available for
> immediate viewing. If content is not cached, a download status and
> preview frame will appear in the content's place, showing the current
> download status, thumbnails and previews, if available. You can also
> change the download priority from inside this frame.
> 
> 
> Management of Multiple Channels
> 
> Unlike YouTube, the plugin anticipates that you will have and maintain
> multiple channels for varying purposes (WoT identities). Because of
> this, the plugin will always keep a channel drop-drown box at the top of
> the screen, allowing you to change the channel you are viewing as and
> managing at any time.
> 
> It is also possible, if not likely, that there are multiple channels
> with the same name. There is no way to reserve a channel name in the
> plugin, as you would in a hierarchical domain naming scheme. Although
> the channel name is not unique in the plugin, each channel does have a
> unique signature for identification of the channel and its contents.
> 
> 
> Categorizing and Tagging Content
> 
> YouTube does not allow you to categorize your content. The only
> categorization possible is by the use of Playlists. This plugin will
> allow easy categorization of your content by use of folders. Folders are
> hierarchical, meaning the folders can contain folders, just like on your
> typical computer file system. Content that can be categorized in folders
> includes your Channel list, Liked, Favorite, Playlists, Content and
> External Links. In addition, all of the above can have tags placed on
> them for simple locating and indexing of related content.
> 
> 
> Content Views
> 
> All channel and content lists can be viewed as thumbnails that can be
> drilled down into. This includes images, videos, audio and all other
> types of media. Thumbnail views can be shown either on a sidebar next to
> the current content being viewed or in a full page view. All content can
> have a thumbnail image attached to it. If the thumbnail is not
> available, an image of a ??? will be shown in its place.
> 
> 
> Embedding external content as your own
> 
> External media content can be presented on a channel using the External
> Content Wrapper and supplying the Freenet URL of the media content to be
> added to your channel. Once external content is ad

Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Matthew Toseland]

On Thursday 24 Nov 2011 20:19:25 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> Steve, now I'm writing my master's thesis.
> Initially it was devoted to file searching application which would provide
> search mechanism via new format indexes
> Now I'm writing a spam-proof,user-friendly application which allows users
> to share their indexes, maintain them and download others using special
> NNTP messages. It operates NNTP messages using FMS like NNTP bridge.
> e.g. user chooses what files he wants to insert in Freenet, add
> metainformation it and click add. After it special xml message is generated
> and inserted into  FMS, files are queued to be inserted into Freenet. Other
> users can see that such index appeared. Also it allows to trust or not to
> trust index-creators and their opinion about other people (as it is done in
> FMS) to provide users from spam . It would look like something like Thaw,
> something like FMS.
> If you are interested in it I can give more details =)
> 
> Best regards,
> nikotyan
> 
Did you make any headway with this? Please let me know if you need any 
particular features in Freenet to be expedited (e.g. video filtering).


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Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Matthew Toseland]

On Tuesday 22 Nov 2011 08:53:11 C. Michael Crosiar wrote:
> Hi Tatyana,
> 
> I have been working on designs for a filesharing plugin for the last
> couple of months. I have not yet presented my ideas, as I was not quite
> ready.  However, I'll go ahead and give a summary of my thoughts to
> date.
> 
> I'm looking for a user interface much like that of YouTube. The
> important part of this to me is the concept of "channels". Channels
> allow a user to subscribe to content they are interested in. So, if a
> user/channel publishes new content, all of the subscribers to that users
> channel will be notified of the new content. Further, the new content of
> all subscribed channels would be downloaded automatically. The idea here
> is to lower the impact of Freenet's latency - much of the content you
> are interested in is already downloaded and available when you begin
> browsing. Channels will be rated and content prioritized for channels
> that you have rated highly (WoT?). Filters would also be applied to
> prevent large downloads without explicit permission.
> 
> Here are a few sections from my current design documentation (Please
> note that this is a work in progress and that I have not yet
> investigated the best leveraging of existing Freenet plugins):
> 
> Social Media User Interface and Functionality
> Much like YouTube, the plugin will have a start page suggesting channels
> and content that you may be interested in. However, the plugin content
> is not limited to just videos, it can also include images, and audio
> content. In the future, this may also include other media types, such as
> PDFs and Wiki pages.
> 
> The channel suggestions will be channels that your subscriptions have
> subscribed to. The concept here is that if you are interested in a
> channel, it likely has content that appeals to you. Therefore it is
> likely that any channels that they subscribe to may also have content of
> interest to you. In order to assist you in determining if that is true,
> channels suggestions will include a summary of the channel, something
> not provided by YouTube. This is important, as new channels and new
> channel content will not be immediately visible, due to the latency of
> Freenet. Once you subscribe to a new channel, the content of that
> channel will automatically begin to be downloaded and cached in the
> background for later viewing (subject to filtering).
> 
> Videos will also have thumbnails and previews so that you can prioritize
> downloads that you think you may be of interest to you. This is again
> done to deal with the latency of Freenet. Content that is already cached
> will have a symbol in front of it, indicating that it is available for
> immediate viewing. If content is not cached, a download status and
> preview frame will appear in the content's place, showing the current
> download status, thumbnails and previews, if available. You can also
> change the download priority from inside this frame.
> 
> 
> Management of Multiple Channels
> 
> Unlike YouTube, the plugin anticipates that you will have and maintain
> multiple channels for varying purposes (WoT identities). Because of
> this, the plugin will always keep a channel drop-drown box at the top of
> the screen, allowing you to change the channel you are viewing as and
> managing at any time.
> 
> It is also possible, if not likely, that there are multiple channels
> with the same name. There is no way to reserve a channel name in the
> plugin, as you would in a hierarchical domain naming scheme. Although
> the channel name is not unique in the plugin, each channel does have a
> unique signature for identification of the channel and its contents.
> 
> 
> Categorizing and Tagging Content
> 
> YouTube does not allow you to categorize your content. The only
> categorization possible is by the use of Playlists. This plugin will
> allow easy categorization of your content by use of folders. Folders are
> hierarchical, meaning the folders can contain folders, just like on your
> typical computer file system. Content that can be categorized in folders
> includes your Channel list, Liked, Favorite, Playlists, Content and
> External Links. In addition, all of the above can have tags placed on
> them for simple locating and indexing of related content.
> 
> 
> Content Views
> 
> All channel and content lists can be viewed as thumbnails that can be
> drilled down into. This includes images, videos, audio and all other
> types of media. Thumbnail views can be shown either on a sidebar next to
> the current content being viewed or in a full page view. All content can
> have a thumbnail image attached to it. If the thumbnail is not
> available, an image of a “?” will be shown in its place.
> 
> 
> Embedding external content as your own
> 
> External media content can be presented on a channel using the External
> Content Wrapper and supplying the Freenet URL of the media content to be
> added to your channel. Once external content is ad

Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[C. Michael Crosiar]

Oh ya, forgot, I know my proposal is more social media than filesharing,
but I still think it has merit for filesharing. Channels can be indexed
and searched as you suggest below. The channel becomes the filesharing
context you mention. It also becomes the context for managing trust
settings for other channels.

I look forward to your thoughts.

Best Regards,

Michael Crosiar

On Sun, 2011-10-16 at 23:58 +0400, Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> 
> 
> I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long absence.
> I have been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet"
> due gsoc 2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to
> personal circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to
> continue my work on my Freenet task. This application allows
> 
> 
> - select files/directories to be shared and tag them for search;
> 
> - search file indexes published by other users (effectively view of
> WoT filtered by filesharing context);
> 
> - manage trust settings for other user identities (using WoT).
> 
> Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite a
> long period of time, what I need now is to become up to date and to
> join efficient development ASAP. May I ask you to let me know whether
> this task is still interesting for Freenet? Which details of the task
> should I consider to be of most help? Who is working on something
> similar, and whom should I contact to combine our efforts for quicker
> and better results? Certainly I would be grateful for any other
> relative suggestions, advices and considerations. 
> 
> Thank you very much for your time!
> 
> Best regards,
> Tatyana Pyatigorskaya aka nikotyan
> 
> 
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Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[C. Michael Crosiar]

Hi Tatyana,

I have been working on designs for a filesharing plugin for the last
couple of months. I have not yet presented my ideas, as I was not quite
ready.  However, I'll go ahead and give a summary of my thoughts to
date.

I'm looking for a user interface much like that of YouTube. The
important part of this to me is the concept of "channels". Channels
allow a user to subscribe to content they are interested in. So, if a
user/channel publishes new content, all of the subscribers to that users
channel will be notified of the new content. Further, the new content of
all subscribed channels would be downloaded automatically. The idea here
is to lower the impact of Freenet's latency - much of the content you
are interested in is already downloaded and available when you begin
browsing. Channels will be rated and content prioritized for channels
that you have rated highly (WoT?). Filters would also be applied to
prevent large downloads without explicit permission.

Here are a few sections from my current design documentation (Please
note that this is a work in progress and that I have not yet
investigated the best leveraging of existing Freenet plugins):

Social Media User Interface and Functionality
Much like YouTube, the plugin will have a start page suggesting channels
and content that you may be interested in. However, the plugin content
is not limited to just videos, it can also include images, and audio
content. In the future, this may also include other media types, such as
PDFs and Wiki pages.

The channel suggestions will be channels that your subscriptions have
subscribed to. The concept here is that if you are interested in a
channel, it likely has content that appeals to you. Therefore it is
likely that any channels that they subscribe to may also have content of
interest to you. In order to assist you in determining if that is true,
channels suggestions will include a summary of the channel, something
not provided by YouTube. This is important, as new channels and new
channel content will not be immediately visible, due to the latency of
Freenet. Once you subscribe to a new channel, the content of that
channel will automatically begin to be downloaded and cached in the
background for later viewing (subject to filtering).

Videos will also have thumbnails and previews so that you can prioritize
downloads that you think you may be of interest to you. This is again
done to deal with the latency of Freenet. Content that is already cached
will have a symbol in front of it, indicating that it is available for
immediate viewing. If content is not cached, a download status and
preview frame will appear in the content's place, showing the current
download status, thumbnails and previews, if available. You can also
change the download priority from inside this frame.


Management of Multiple Channels

Unlike YouTube, the plugin anticipates that you will have and maintain
multiple channels for varying purposes (WoT identities). Because of
this, the plugin will always keep a channel drop-drown box at the top of
the screen, allowing you to change the channel you are viewing as and
managing at any time.

It is also possible, if not likely, that there are multiple channels
with the same name. There is no way to reserve a channel name in the
plugin, as you would in a hierarchical domain naming scheme. Although
the channel name is not unique in the plugin, each channel does have a
unique signature for identification of the channel and its contents.


Categorizing and Tagging Content

YouTube does not allow you to categorize your content. The only
categorization possible is by the use of Playlists. This plugin will
allow easy categorization of your content by use of folders. Folders are
hierarchical, meaning the folders can contain folders, just like on your
typical computer file system. Content that can be categorized in folders
includes your Channel list, Liked, Favorite, Playlists, Content and
External Links. In addition, all of the above can have tags placed on
them for simple locating and indexing of related content.


Content Views

All channel and content lists can be viewed as thumbnails that can be
drilled down into. This includes images, videos, audio and all other
types of media. Thumbnail views can be shown either on a sidebar next to
the current content being viewed or in a full page view. All content can
have a thumbnail image attached to it. If the thumbnail is not
available, an image of a “?” will be shown in its place.


Embedding external content as your own

External media content can be presented on a channel using the External
Content Wrapper and supplying the Freenet URL of the media content to be
added to your channel. Once external content is added to a channel, it
can be favorited or added to a playlist just like any other content. It
will be shown to other viewers of your channel as Uploaded content, just
as if you had uploaded it yourself.


Publishing your Channel

Changes you make 

[freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Volodya]

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On 12/03/2011 02:26 AM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 29. November 2011, 22:47:47 schrieb Matthew Toseland:
>>> - I think that trust system of FMS is better than WoT. You have the
>>> opportunity to divide trust to person and his opinion to other persons
>>> (I
>>> think it's really important to divide this things). And what changes are
>>> planned in WoT?
>>
>> FMS is better than WoT because FMS works. Whereas Freetalk+WoT is undergoing
>> significant changes and is rather heavy on disk access at present.
>>
>> And yes, per-domain trust is planned; talk to xor, but this is pretty long
>> term. I'm not convinced myself though, it's pretty hard to define domains
>> (somebody may post good messages and bad files, or they may post good
>> messages on one board and spam on another...)
> 
> I think what he meant is trusting someone but not trusting the trustlist. And 
> I also think, that that would be useful. But I don?t tink that we need it on 
> the short term, because you can always just set the trust to 0 to see the 
> users messages but not use his/her trustlist.
> 
> Best wishes, 
> Arne

But wouldn't that drive down the trust calculations of those who trust you?

   - Volodya

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[Volodya]

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On 12/03/2011 02:26 AM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 29. November 2011, 22:47:47 schrieb Matthew Toseland:
>>> - I think that trust system of FMS is better than WoT. You have the
>>> opportunity to divide trust to person and his opinion to other persons
>>> (I
>>> think it's really important to divide this things). And what changes are
>>> planned in WoT?
>>
>> FMS is better than WoT because FMS works. Whereas Freetalk+WoT is undergoing
>> significant changes and is rather heavy on disk access at present.
>>
>> And yes, per-domain trust is planned; talk to xor, but this is pretty long
>> term. I'm not convinced myself though, it's pretty hard to define domains
>> (somebody may post good messages and bad files, or they may post good
>> messages on one board and spam on another...)
> 
> I think what he meant is trusting someone but not trusting the trustlist. And 
> I also think, that that would be useful. But I don’t tink that we need it on 
> the short term, because you can always just set the trust to 0 to see the 
> users messages but not use his/her trustlist.
> 
> Best wishes, 
> Arne

But wouldn't that drive down the trust calculations of those who trust you?

   - Volodya

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[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Am Dienstag, 29. November 2011, 22:47:47 schrieb Matthew Toseland:
> > - I think that trust system of FMS is better than WoT. You have the
> > opportunity to divide trust to person and his opinion to other persons
> > (I
> > think it's really important to divide this things). And what changes are
> > planned in WoT?
> 
> FMS is better than WoT because FMS works. Whereas Freetalk+WoT is undergoing
> significant changes and is rather heavy on disk access at present.
> 
> And yes, per-domain trust is planned; talk to xor, but this is pretty long
> term. I'm not convinced myself though, it's pretty hard to define domains
> (somebody may post good messages and bad files, or they may post good
> messages on one board and spam on another...)

I think what he meant is trusting someone but not trusting the trustlist. And 
I also think, that that would be useful. But I don?t tink that we need it on 
the short term, because you can always just set the trust to 0 to see the 
users messages but not use his/her trustlist.

Best wishes, 
Arne
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[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Am Dienstag, 29. November 2011, 22:47:47 schrieb Matthew Toseland:
> > - I think that trust system of FMS is better than WoT. You have the
> > opportunity to divide trust to person and his opinion to other persons
> > (I
> > think it's really important to divide this things). And what changes are
> > planned in WoT?
>
> FMS is better than WoT because FMS works. Whereas Freetalk+WoT is undergoing
> significant changes and is rather heavy on disk access at present.
>
> And yes, per-domain trust is planned; talk to xor, but this is pretty long
> term. I'm not convinced myself though, it's pretty hard to define domains
> (somebody may post good messages and bad files, or they may post good
> messages on one board and spam on another...)

I think what he meant is trusting someone but not trusting the trustlist. And
I also think, that that would be useful. But I don’t tink that we need it on
the short term, because you can always just set the trust to 0 to see the
users messages but not use his/her trustlist.

Best wishes,
Arne
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sie alle zu finden,
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> > > > > Greetings,
> > > > >
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> > > > Have you made progress on writing up your ideas? I'm eager to help.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Tanya Pyatigorskaya <
> > nekotanik at gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks guys for your responses, it's really important for me!
> > > > > I would determine more precisely what I want to create in a next few
> > days
> > > > > and would consult with you after it
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > nikotyan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Matthew Toseland <
> > > > > toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 20:58:13 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> > > > >> > Hi guys,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long
> > absence.
> > > > I
> > > > >> have
> > > > >> > been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet" due
> > > > gsoc
> > > > >> > 2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to personal
> > > > >> > circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to
> > continue my
> > > > >> work
> > > > >> > on my Freenet task. This application allows
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > - select files/directories to be shared and tag them for search;
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > - search file indexes published by other users (effectively view
> > of
> > > > WoT
> > > > >> > filtered by filesharing context);
> > > > >> > - manage trust settings for other user identities (using WoT).
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite
> > a
> > > > long
> > > > >> > period of time, what I need now is to become up to date and to
> > join
> > > > >> > efficient development ASAP. May I ask you to let me know whether
> > this
> > > > >> task
> > > > >> > is still interesting for Freenet? Which details of the task
> > should I
> > > > >> > consider to be of most help? Who is working on something similar,
> > and
> > > > >> whom
> > > > >> > should I contact to combine our efforts for quicker and better
> > > > results?
> > > > >> > Certainly I would be grateful for any other relative suggestions,
> > > > >> advices
> > > > >> > and considerations.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thank you very much for your time!
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Best regards,
> > > > >> > Tatyana Pyatigorskaya aka nikotyan
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> It is undoubtedly interesting, please press on!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> My view is that insert-on-demand isn't all that urgent, and when
> > you do
> > > > >> do it you'll need to be rather careful with it for security
> > reasons. On
> > > > the
> > > > >> other hand, data persistence is less than perfect and filesharers
> > > > >> habitually reinsert so you'll need something eventually.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> But maintaining an index of your files and searching others'
> > indexes is
> > > > >> core functionality. There are ways to optimise it quite
> > dramatically,
> > > > e.g.
> > > > >> fetching the top and bloom filters for each identity, but these can
> > > > wait if
> > > > >> need be. The other core issue is how to handle spam/poisoning
> > attacks -
> > > > the
> > > > >> WoT should make this easy, but you will need to provide UI. It looks
> > > > like
> > > > >> you're on top of all these issues, so I wish you every possible
> > luck!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> My own involvement in Freenet at the moment is rather limited at the
> > > > >> moment due to academic commitments, but hope to see you around!
> >
> 
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[freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Tanya Pyatigorskaya]

Matthew,

I have some questions

 -  When you are using SSK keys how you will know by what keys you should
search (by what keys you can find messages generated by your application)?
Using FMS makes it easy to maintain updates of indexes which I'm not sure
is so easy by using SSK's
- I think that trust system of FMS is better than WoT. You have the
opportunity to divide trust to person and his opinion to other persons (I
think it's really important to divide this things). And what changes are
planned in WoT?
- java, it's ok

Best regards,
nikotyan

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Matthew Toseland  wrote:

> On Thursday 24 Nov 2011 20:19:25 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> > Steve, now I'm writing my master's thesis.
> > Initially it was devoted to file searching application which would
> provide
> > search mechanism via new format indexes
> > Now I'm writing a spam-proof,user-friendly application which allows users
> > to share their indexes, maintain them and download others using special
> > NNTP messages. It operates NNTP messages using FMS like NNTP bridge.
> > e.g. user chooses what files he wants to insert in Freenet, add
> > metainformation it and click add. After it special xml message is
> generated
> > and inserted into  FMS, files are queued to be inserted into Freenet.
> Other
> > users can see that such index appeared. Also it allows to trust or not to
> > trust index-creators and their opinion about other people (as it is done
> in
> > FMS) to provide users from spam . It would look like something like Thaw,
> > something like FMS.
> > If you are interested in it I can give more details =)
>
> Cool. Personally I would have made three major changes:
> - Insert a series of indexes as an SSK, rather than posting them as NNTP
> messages. This would improve performance and reduce complexity.
> - Use the WebOfTrust backend rather than talking NNTP to FMS.
> - Make it a web application in Java so it can be bundled.
> But it would be awesome to have such a thing even if people have to
> download it themselves. I understand that the first two items require more
> understanding of the codebase than you probably have, and more importantly,
> depend on having WebOfTrust working well - which it isn't really yet. Good
> luck.
>
> Long term Freenet does need something with the above properties IMHO.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > nikotyan
> >
> > Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:30:13 +
> > > From: Matthew Toseland 
> > > To: Discussion of development issues 
> > > Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Group Official Plugins
> > > Message-ID: <20201930.17350.toad at amphibian.dyndns.org>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > On Tuesday 08 Nov 2011 05:42:52 David ?Bombe? Roden wrote:
> > > > Hi Steve,
> > > >
> > > > > Looks good. I wonder if perhaps the final group should be called
> "File
> > > > > Sharing" instead of "File Transfer"?
> > > >
> > > > If only ?File Sharing? wouldn?t sound so illegal? :)
> > >
> > > Ian is of the view that "filesharing" is legitimate, he made that clear
> > > some time back during a debate I think about searching. And clearly
> that is
> > > what ThawIndexBrowser does. (It's what quite a few so-far-lawful sites
> on
> > > the net do too, although some of them are having to introduce filtering
> > > etc).
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >
> > > >   David
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> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:10:23 -0500
> > > From: Steve Dougherty 
> > > To: Discussion of development issues 
> > > Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet
> > > Message-ID:
> > > YTTWj+WPtB192ZOGw-jUSbg at mail.gmail.com
> > > >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > Have you made progress on writing up your ideas? I'm eager to help.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Tanya Pyatigorskaya 

[freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Matthew Toseland]

On Thursday 24 Nov 2011 20:19:25 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> Steve, now I'm writing my master's thesis.
> Initially it was devoted to file searching application which would provide
> search mechanism via new format indexes
> Now I'm writing a spam-proof,user-friendly application which allows users
> to share their indexes, maintain them and download others using special
> NNTP messages. It operates NNTP messages using FMS like NNTP bridge.
> e.g. user chooses what files he wants to insert in Freenet, add
> metainformation it and click add. After it special xml message is generated
> and inserted into  FMS, files are queued to be inserted into Freenet. Other
> users can see that such index appeared. Also it allows to trust or not to
> trust index-creators and their opinion about other people (as it is done in
> FMS) to provide users from spam . It would look like something like Thaw,
> something like FMS.
> If you are interested in it I can give more details =)

Cool. Personally I would have made three major changes:
- Insert a series of indexes as an SSK, rather than posting them as NNTP 
messages. This would improve performance and reduce complexity.
- Use the WebOfTrust backend rather than talking NNTP to FMS.
- Make it a web application in Java so it can be bundled.
But it would be awesome to have such a thing even if people have to download it 
themselves. I understand that the first two items require more understanding of 
the codebase than you probably have, and more importantly, depend on having 
WebOfTrust working well - which it isn't really yet. Good luck.

Long term Freenet does need something with the above properties IMHO.
> 
> Best regards,
> nikotyan
> 
> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:30:13 +
> > From: Matthew Toseland 
> > To: Discussion of development issues 
> > Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Group Official Plugins
> > Message-ID: <20201930.17350.toad at amphibian.dyndns.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > On Tuesday 08 Nov 2011 05:42:52 David ?Bombe? Roden wrote:
> > > Hi Steve,
> > >
> > > > Looks good. I wonder if perhaps the final group should be called "File
> > > > Sharing" instead of "File Transfer"?
> > >
> > > If only ?File Sharing? wouldn?t sound so illegal? :)
> >
> > Ian is of the view that "filesharing" is legitimate, he made that clear
> > some time back during a debate I think about searching. And clearly that is
> > what ThawIndexBrowser does. (It's what quite a few so-far-lawful sites on
> > the net do too, although some of them are having to introduce filtering
> > etc).
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > >   David
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> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:10:23 -0500
> > From: Steve Dougherty 
> > To: Discussion of development issues 
> > Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet
> > Message-ID:
> > > mail.gmail.com
> > >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Have you made progress on writing up your ideas? I'm eager to help.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Tanya Pyatigorskaya  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks guys for your responses, it's really important for me!
> > > I would determine more precisely what I want to create in a next few days
> > > and would consult with you after it
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > nikotyan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Matthew Toseland <
> > > toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 20:58:13 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> > >> > Hi guys,
> > >> >
> > >> > I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long absence.
> > I
> > >> have
> > >> > been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet" due
> > gsoc
> > >> > 2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to personal
> > >> > circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to continue my
> > >>

Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Matthew Toseland]

l sites
> > on
> > > > the net do too, although some of them are having to introduce filtering
> > > > etc).
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings,
> > > > >
> > > > >   David
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Message: 2
> > > > Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:10:23 -0500
> > > > From: Steve Dougherty 
> > > > To: Discussion of development issues 
> > > > Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet
> > > > Message-ID:
> > > > > yttwj+wptb192zogw-ju...@mail.gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > >
> > > > Have you made progress on writing up your ideas? I'm eager to help.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Tanya Pyatigorskaya <
> > nekota...@gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks guys for your responses, it's really important for me!
> > > > > I would determine more precisely what I want to create in a next few
> > days
> > > > > and would consult with you after it
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > nikotyan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Matthew Toseland <
> > > > > t...@amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 20:58:13 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> > > > >> > Hi guys,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long
> > absence.
> > > > I
> > > > >> have
> > > > >> > been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet" due
> > > > gsoc
> > > > >> > 2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to personal
> > > > >> > circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to
> > continue my
> > > > >> work
> > > > >> > on my Freenet task. This application allows
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > - select files/directories to be shared and tag them for search;
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > - search file indexes published by other users (effectively view
> > of
> > > > WoT
> > > > >> > filtered by filesharing context);
> > > > >> > - manage trust settings for other user identities (using WoT).
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite
> > a
> > > > long
> > > > >> > period of time, what I need now is to become up to date and to
> > join
> > > > >> > efficient development ASAP. May I ask you to let me know whether
> > this
> > > > >> task
> > > > >> > is still interesting for Freenet? Which details of the task
> > should I
> > > > >> > consider to be of most help? Who is working on something similar,
> > and
> > > > >> whom
> > > > >> > should I contact to combine our efforts for quicker and better
> > > > results?
> > > > >> > Certainly I would be grateful for any other relative suggestions,
> > > > >> advices
> > > > >> > and considerations.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thank you very much for your time!
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Best regards,
> > > > >> > Tatyana Pyatigorskaya aka nikotyan
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> It is undoubtedly interesting, please press on!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> My view is that insert-on-demand isn't all that urgent, and when
> > you do
> > > > >> do it you'll need to be rather careful with it for security
> > reasons. On
> > > > the
> > > > >> other hand, data persistence is less than perfect and filesharers
> > > > >> habitually reinsert so you'll need something eventually.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> But maintaining an index of your files and searching others'
> > indexes is
> > > > >> core functionality. There are ways to optimise it quite
> > dramatically,
> > > > e.g.
> > > > >> fetching the top and bloom filters for each identity, but these can
> > > > wait if
> > > > >> need be. The other core issue is how to handle spam/poisoning
> > attacks -
> > > > the
> > > > >> WoT should make this easy, but you will need to provide UI. It looks
> > > > like
> > > > >> you're on top of all these issues, so I wish you every possible
> > luck!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> My own involvement in Freenet at the moment is rather limited at the
> > > > >> moment due to academic commitments, but hope to see you around!
> >
> 


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Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Tanya Pyatigorskaya]

Matthew,

I have some questions

 -  When you are using SSK keys how you will know by what keys you should
search (by what keys you can find messages generated by your application)?
Using FMS makes it easy to maintain updates of indexes which I'm not sure
is so easy by using SSK's
- I think that trust system of FMS is better than WoT. You have the
opportunity to divide trust to person and his opinion to other persons (I
think it's really important to divide this things). And what changes are
planned in WoT?
- java, it's ok

Best regards,
nikotyan

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Matthew Toseland  wrote:

> On Thursday 24 Nov 2011 20:19:25 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> > Steve, now I'm writing my master's thesis.
> > Initially it was devoted to file searching application which would
> provide
> > search mechanism via new format indexes
> > Now I'm writing a spam-proof,user-friendly application which allows users
> > to share their indexes, maintain them and download others using special
> > NNTP messages. It operates NNTP messages using FMS like NNTP bridge.
> > e.g. user chooses what files he wants to insert in Freenet, add
> > metainformation it and click add. After it special xml message is
> generated
> > and inserted into  FMS, files are queued to be inserted into Freenet.
> Other
> > users can see that such index appeared. Also it allows to trust or not to
> > trust index-creators and their opinion about other people (as it is done
> in
> > FMS) to provide users from spam . It would look like something like Thaw,
> > something like FMS.
> > If you are interested in it I can give more details =)
>
> Cool. Personally I would have made three major changes:
> - Insert a series of indexes as an SSK, rather than posting them as NNTP
> messages. This would improve performance and reduce complexity.
> - Use the WebOfTrust backend rather than talking NNTP to FMS.
> - Make it a web application in Java so it can be bundled.
> But it would be awesome to have such a thing even if people have to
> download it themselves. I understand that the first two items require more
> understanding of the codebase than you probably have, and more importantly,
> depend on having WebOfTrust working well - which it isn't really yet. Good
> luck.
>
> Long term Freenet does need something with the above properties IMHO.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > nikotyan
> >
> > Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:30:13 +
> > > From: Matthew Toseland 
> > > To: Discussion of development issues 
> > > Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Group Official Plugins
> > > Message-ID: <20201930.17350.t...@amphibian.dyndns.org>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > On Tuesday 08 Nov 2011 05:42:52 David ?Bombe? Roden wrote:
> > > > Hi Steve,
> > > >
> > > > > Looks good. I wonder if perhaps the final group should be called
> "File
> > > > > Sharing" instead of "File Transfer"?
> > > >
> > > > If only ?File Sharing? wouldn?t sound so illegal? :)
> > >
> > > Ian is of the view that "filesharing" is legitimate, he made that clear
> > > some time back during a debate I think about searching. And clearly
> that is
> > > what ThawIndexBrowser does. (It's what quite a few so-far-lawful sites
> on
> > > the net do too, although some of them are having to introduce filtering
> > > etc).
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >
> > > >   David
> > > -- next part ----------
> > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > > Name: signature.asc
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> > >
> http://freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/2020/f2da8b37/attachment-0001.pgp
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:10:23 -0500
> > > From: Steve Dougherty 
> > > To: Discussion of development issues 
> > > Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet
> > > Message-ID:
> > > yttwj+wptb192zogw-ju...@mail.gmail.com
> > > >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > Have you made progress on writing up your ideas? I'm eager to help.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Tanya Pyatigorskaya &l

Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Matthew Toseland]

On Thursday 24 Nov 2011 20:19:25 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> Steve, now I'm writing my master's thesis.
> Initially it was devoted to file searching application which would provide
> search mechanism via new format indexes
> Now I'm writing a spam-proof,user-friendly application which allows users
> to share their indexes, maintain them and download others using special
> NNTP messages. It operates NNTP messages using FMS like NNTP bridge.
> e.g. user chooses what files he wants to insert in Freenet, add
> metainformation it and click add. After it special xml message is generated
> and inserted into  FMS, files are queued to be inserted into Freenet. Other
> users can see that such index appeared. Also it allows to trust or not to
> trust index-creators and their opinion about other people (as it is done in
> FMS) to provide users from spam . It would look like something like Thaw,
> something like FMS.
> If you are interested in it I can give more details =)

Cool. Personally I would have made three major changes:
- Insert a series of indexes as an SSK, rather than posting them as NNTP 
messages. This would improve performance and reduce complexity.
- Use the WebOfTrust backend rather than talking NNTP to FMS.
- Make it a web application in Java so it can be bundled.
But it would be awesome to have such a thing even if people have to download it 
themselves. I understand that the first two items require more understanding of 
the codebase than you probably have, and more importantly, depend on having 
WebOfTrust working well - which it isn't really yet. Good luck.

Long term Freenet does need something with the above properties IMHO.
> 
> Best regards,
> nikotyan
> 
> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:30:13 +
> > From: Matthew Toseland 
> > To: Discussion of development issues 
> > Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Group Official Plugins
> > Message-ID: <20201930.17350.t...@amphibian.dyndns.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > On Tuesday 08 Nov 2011 05:42:52 David ?Bombe? Roden wrote:
> > > Hi Steve,
> > >
> > > > Looks good. I wonder if perhaps the final group should be called "File
> > > > Sharing" instead of "File Transfer"?
> > >
> > > If only ?File Sharing? wouldn?t sound so illegal? :)
> >
> > Ian is of the view that "filesharing" is legitimate, he made that clear
> > some time back during a debate I think about searching. And clearly that is
> > what ThawIndexBrowser does. (It's what quite a few so-far-lawful sites on
> > the net do too, although some of them are having to introduce filtering
> > etc).
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > >   David
> > -- next part --
> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > Name: signature.asc
> > Type: application/pgp-signature
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> > URL: <
> > http://freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/2020/f2da8b37/attachment-0001.pgp
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:10:23 -0500
> > From: Steve Dougherty 
> > To: Discussion of development issues 
> > Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet
> > Message-ID:
> > > >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Have you made progress on writing up your ideas? I'm eager to help.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Tanya Pyatigorskaya  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks guys for your responses, it's really important for me!
> > > I would determine more precisely what I want to create in a next few days
> > > and would consult with you after it
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > nikotyan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Matthew Toseland <
> > > t...@amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 20:58:13 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> > >> > Hi guys,
> > >> >
> > >> > I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long absence.
> > I
> > >> have
> > >> > been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet" due
> > gsoc
> > >> > 2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to personal
> > >> > circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to continue my
> > >> work
> > >> > 

[freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Brian Wolfe]

how far have you gotten on this?  I'm in  the initial learning about
freenet/WoT phase of something very similar.

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Tanya Pyatigorskaya
 wrote:
> Steve, now I'm writing my master's thesis.
> Initially it was devoted to file searching application which would provide
> search mechanism via new format indexes
> Now I'm writing a spam-proof,user-friendly application which allows users to
> share their indexes, maintain them and download others using special NNTP
> messages. It operates NNTP messages using FMS like NNTP bridge.
> e.g. user chooses what files he wants to insert in Freenet, add
> metainformation it and click add. After it special xml message is generated
> and inserted into? FMS, files are queued to be inserted into Freenet. Other
> users can see that such index appeared. Also it allows to trust or not to
> trust index-creators and their opinion about other people (as it is done in
> FMS) to provide users from spam . It would look like something like Thaw,
> something like FMS.
> If you are interested in it I can give more details =)
>
> Best regards,
> nikotyan
>
>> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:30:13 +
>> From: Matthew Toseland 
>> To: Discussion of development issues 
>> Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Group Official Plugins
>> Message-ID: <20201930.17350.toad at amphibian.dyndns.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> On Tuesday 08 Nov 2011 05:42:52 David ?Bombe? Roden wrote:
>> > Hi Steve,
>> >
>> > > Looks good. I wonder if perhaps the final group should be called "File
>> > > Sharing" instead of "File Transfer"?
>> >
>> > If only ?File Sharing? wouldn?t sound so illegal? :)
>>
>> Ian is of the view that "filesharing" is legitimate, he made that clear
>> some time back during a debate I think about searching. And clearly that is
>> what ThawIndexBrowser does. (It's what quite a few so-far-lawful sites on
>> the net do too, although some of them are having to introduce filtering
>> etc).
>> >
>> > Greetings,
>> >
>> > ? ? ? David
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:10:23 -0500
>> From: Steve Dougherty 
>> To: Discussion of development issues 
>> Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> ?
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Have you made progress on writing up your ideas? I'm eager to help.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Tanya Pyatigorskaya
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks guys for your responses, it's really important for me!
>> > I would determine more precisely what I want to create in a next few
>> > days
>> > and would consult with you after it
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > nikotyan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Matthew Toseland <
>> > toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 20:58:13 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
>> >> > Hi guys,
>> >> >
>> >> > I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long absence.
>> >> > I
>> >> have
>> >> > been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet" due
>> >> > gsoc
>> >> > 2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to personal
>> >> > circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to continue
>> >> > my
>> >> work
>> >> > on my Freenet task. This application allows
>> >> >
>> >> > - select files/directories to be shared and tag them for search;
>> >> >
>> >> > - search file indexes published by other users (effectively view of
>> >> > WoT
>> >> > filtered by filesharing context);
>> >> > - manage trust settings for other user identities (using WoT).
>> >> >
>> >> > Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite a
>> >> > long
>>

Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Brian Wolfe]

how far have you gotten on this?  I'm in  the initial learning about
freenet/WoT phase of something very similar.

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Tanya Pyatigorskaya
 wrote:
> Steve, now I'm writing my master's thesis.
> Initially it was devoted to file searching application which would provide
> search mechanism via new format indexes
> Now I'm writing a spam-proof,user-friendly application which allows users to
> share their indexes, maintain them and download others using special NNTP
> messages. It operates NNTP messages using FMS like NNTP bridge.
> e.g. user chooses what files he wants to insert in Freenet, add
> metainformation it and click add. After it special xml message is generated
> and inserted into  FMS, files are queued to be inserted into Freenet. Other
> users can see that such index appeared. Also it allows to trust or not to
> trust index-creators and their opinion about other people (as it is done in
> FMS) to provide users from spam . It would look like something like Thaw,
> something like FMS.
> If you are interested in it I can give more details =)
>
> Best regards,
> nikotyan
>
>> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:30:13 +
>> From: Matthew Toseland 
>> To: Discussion of development issues 
>> Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Group Official Plugins
>> Message-ID: <20201930.17350.t...@amphibian.dyndns.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> On Tuesday 08 Nov 2011 05:42:52 David ?Bombe? Roden wrote:
>> > Hi Steve,
>> >
>> > > Looks good. I wonder if perhaps the final group should be called "File
>> > > Sharing" instead of "File Transfer"?
>> >
>> > If only ?File Sharing? wouldn?t sound so illegal? :)
>>
>> Ian is of the view that "filesharing" is legitimate, he made that clear
>> some time back during a debate I think about searching. And clearly that is
>> what ThawIndexBrowser does. (It's what quite a few so-far-lawful sites on
>> the net do too, although some of them are having to introduce filtering
>> etc).
>> >
>> > Greetings,
>> >
>> >       David
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:10:23 -0500
>> From: Steve Dougherty 
>> To: Discussion of development issues 
>> Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet
>> Message-ID:
>>
>>  
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Have you made progress on writing up your ideas? I'm eager to help.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Tanya Pyatigorskaya
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks guys for your responses, it's really important for me!
>> > I would determine more precisely what I want to create in a next few
>> > days
>> > and would consult with you after it
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > nikotyan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Matthew Toseland <
>> > t...@amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 20:58:13 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
>> >> > Hi guys,
>> >> >
>> >> > I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long absence.
>> >> > I
>> >> have
>> >> > been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet" due
>> >> > gsoc
>> >> > 2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to personal
>> >> > circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to continue
>> >> > my
>> >> work
>> >> > on my Freenet task. This application allows
>> >> >
>> >> > - select files/directories to be shared and tag them for search;
>> >> >
>> >> > - search file indexes published by other users (effectively view of
>> >> > WoT
>> >> > filtered by filesharing context);
>> >> > - manage trust settings for other user identities (using WoT).
>> >> >
>> >> > Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite a
>> >> > long
>>

[freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Tanya Pyatigorskaya]

Steve, now I'm writing my master's thesis.
Initially it was devoted to file searching application which would provide
search mechanism via new format indexes
Now I'm writing a spam-proof,user-friendly application which allows users
to share their indexes, maintain them and download others using special
NNTP messages. It operates NNTP messages using FMS like NNTP bridge.
e.g. user chooses what files he wants to insert in Freenet, add
metainformation it and click add. After it special xml message is generated
and inserted into  FMS, files are queued to be inserted into Freenet. Other
users can see that such index appeared. Also it allows to trust or not to
trust index-creators and their opinion about other people (as it is done in
FMS) to provide users from spam . It would look like something like Thaw,
something like FMS.
If you are interested in it I can give more details =)

Best regards,
nikotyan

Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:30:13 +
> From: Matthew Toseland 
> To: Discussion of development issues 
> Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Group Official Plugins
> Message-ID: <20201930.17350.toad at amphibian.dyndns.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Tuesday 08 Nov 2011 05:42:52 David ?Bombe? Roden wrote:
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > > Looks good. I wonder if perhaps the final group should be called "File
> > > Sharing" instead of "File Transfer"?
> >
> > If only ?File Sharing? wouldn?t sound so illegal? :)
>
> Ian is of the view that "filesharing" is legitimate, he made that clear
> some time back during a debate I think about searching. And clearly that is
> what ThawIndexBrowser does. (It's what quite a few so-far-lawful sites on
> the net do too, although some of them are having to introduce filtering
> etc).
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> >   David
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:10:23 -0500
> From: Steve Dougherty 
> To: Discussion of development issues 
> Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet
> Message-ID:
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Have you made progress on writing up your ideas? I'm eager to help.
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Tanya Pyatigorskaya  >wrote:
>
> > Thanks guys for your responses, it's really important for me!
> > I would determine more precisely what I want to create in a next few days
> > and would consult with you after it
> >
> > Best regards,
> > nikotyan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Matthew Toseland <
> > toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 20:58:13 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> >> > Hi guys,
> >> >
> >> > I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long absence.
> I
> >> have
> >> > been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet" due
> gsoc
> >> > 2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to personal
> >> > circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to continue my
> >> work
> >> > on my Freenet task. This application allows
> >> >
> >> > - select files/directories to be shared and tag them for search;
> >> >
> >> > - search file indexes published by other users (effectively view of
> WoT
> >> > filtered by filesharing context);
> >> > - manage trust settings for other user identities (using WoT).
> >> >
> >> > Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite a
> long
> >> > period of time, what I need now is to become up to date and to join
> >> > efficient development ASAP. May I ask you to let me know whether this
> >> task
> >> > is still interesting for Freenet? Which details of the task should I
> >> > consider to be of most help? Who is working on something similar, and
> >> whom
> >> > should I contact to combine our efforts for quicker and better
> results?
> >> > Certainly I would be grateful for any other relative suggestions,
> >> advices
> >> > and considerations.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you very much for your ti

Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Tanya Pyatigorskaya]

Steve, now I'm writing my master's thesis.
Initially it was devoted to file searching application which would provide
search mechanism via new format indexes
Now I'm writing a spam-proof,user-friendly application which allows users
to share their indexes, maintain them and download others using special
NNTP messages. It operates NNTP messages using FMS like NNTP bridge.
e.g. user chooses what files he wants to insert in Freenet, add
metainformation it and click add. After it special xml message is generated
and inserted into  FMS, files are queued to be inserted into Freenet. Other
users can see that such index appeared. Also it allows to trust or not to
trust index-creators and their opinion about other people (as it is done in
FMS) to provide users from spam . It would look like something like Thaw,
something like FMS.
If you are interested in it I can give more details =)

Best regards,
nikotyan

Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:30:13 +
> From: Matthew Toseland 
> To: Discussion of development issues 
> Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Group Official Plugins
> Message-ID: <20201930.17350.t...@amphibian.dyndns.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Tuesday 08 Nov 2011 05:42:52 David ?Bombe? Roden wrote:
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > > Looks good. I wonder if perhaps the final group should be called "File
> > > Sharing" instead of "File Transfer"?
> >
> > If only ?File Sharing? wouldn?t sound so illegal? :)
>
> Ian is of the view that "filesharing" is legitimate, he made that clear
> some time back during a debate I think about searching. And clearly that is
> what ThawIndexBrowser does. (It's what quite a few so-far-lawful sites on
> the net do too, although some of them are having to introduce filtering
> etc).
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> >   David
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:10:23 -0500
> From: Steve Dougherty 
> To: Discussion of development issues 
> Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet
> Message-ID:
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Have you made progress on writing up your ideas? I'm eager to help.
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Tanya Pyatigorskaya  >wrote:
>
> > Thanks guys for your responses, it's really important for me!
> > I would determine more precisely what I want to create in a next few days
> > and would consult with you after it
> >
> > Best regards,
> > nikotyan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Matthew Toseland <
> > t...@amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 20:58:13 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> >> > Hi guys,
> >> >
> >> > I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long absence.
> I
> >> have
> >> > been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet" due
> gsoc
> >> > 2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to personal
> >> > circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to continue my
> >> work
> >> > on my Freenet task. This application allows
> >> >
> >> > - select files/directories to be shared and tag them for search;
> >> >
> >> > - search file indexes published by other users (effectively view of
> WoT
> >> > filtered by filesharing context);
> >> > - manage trust settings for other user identities (using WoT).
> >> >
> >> > Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite a
> long
> >> > period of time, what I need now is to become up to date and to join
> >> > efficient development ASAP. May I ask you to let me know whether this
> >> task
> >> > is still interesting for Freenet? Which details of the task should I
> >> > consider to be of most help? Who is working on something similar, and
> >> whom
> >> > should I contact to combine our efforts for quicker and better
> results?
> >> > Certainly I would be grateful for any other relative suggestions,
> >> advices
> >> > and considerations.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you very much for your time!
>

[freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[C. Michael Crosiar]

Oh ya, forgot, I know my proposal is more social media than filesharing,
but I still think it has merit for filesharing. Channels can be indexed
and searched as you suggest below. The channel becomes the filesharing
context you mention. It also becomes the context for managing trust
settings for other channels.

I look forward to your thoughts.

Best Regards,

Michael Crosiar

On Sun, 2011-10-16 at 23:58 +0400, Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> 
> 
> I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long absence.
> I have been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet"
> due gsoc 2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to
> personal circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to
> continue my work on my Freenet task. This application allows
> 
> 
> - select files/directories to be shared and tag them for search;
> 
> - search file indexes published by other users (effectively view of
> WoT filtered by filesharing context);
> 
> - manage trust settings for other user identities (using WoT).
> 
> Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite a
> long period of time, what I need now is to become up to date and to
> join efficient development ASAP. May I ask you to let me know whether
> this task is still interesting for Freenet? Which details of the task
> should I consider to be of most help? Who is working on something
> similar, and whom should I contact to combine our efforts for quicker
> and better results? Certainly I would be grateful for any other
> relative suggestions, advices and considerations. 
> 
> Thank you very much for your time!
> 
> Best regards,
> Tatyana Pyatigorskaya aka nikotyan
> 
> 
> 
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[freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[C. Michael Crosiar]

Hi Tatyana,

I have been working on designs for a filesharing plugin for the last
couple of months. I have not yet presented my ideas, as I was not quite
ready.  However, I'll go ahead and give a summary of my thoughts to
date.

I'm looking for a user interface much like that of YouTube. The
important part of this to me is the concept of "channels". Channels
allow a user to subscribe to content they are interested in. So, if a
user/channel publishes new content, all of the subscribers to that users
channel will be notified of the new content. Further, the new content of
all subscribed channels would be downloaded automatically. The idea here
is to lower the impact of Freenet's latency - much of the content you
are interested in is already downloaded and available when you begin
browsing. Channels will be rated and content prioritized for channels
that you have rated highly (WoT?). Filters would also be applied to
prevent large downloads without explicit permission.

Here are a few sections from my current design documentation (Please
note that this is a work in progress and that I have not yet
investigated the best leveraging of existing Freenet plugins):

Social Media User Interface and Functionality
Much like YouTube, the plugin will have a start page suggesting channels
and content that you may be interested in. However, the plugin content
is not limited to just videos, it can also include images, and audio
content. In the future, this may also include other media types, such as
PDFs and Wiki pages.

The channel suggestions will be channels that your subscriptions have
subscribed to. The concept here is that if you are interested in a
channel, it likely has content that appeals to you. Therefore it is
likely that any channels that they subscribe to may also have content of
interest to you. In order to assist you in determining if that is true,
channels suggestions will include a summary of the channel, something
not provided by YouTube. This is important, as new channels and new
channel content will not be immediately visible, due to the latency of
Freenet. Once you subscribe to a new channel, the content of that
channel will automatically begin to be downloaded and cached in the
background for later viewing (subject to filtering).

Videos will also have thumbnails and previews so that you can prioritize
downloads that you think you may be of interest to you. This is again
done to deal with the latency of Freenet. Content that is already cached
will have a symbol in front of it, indicating that it is available for
immediate viewing. If content is not cached, a download status and
preview frame will appear in the content's place, showing the current
download status, thumbnails and previews, if available. You can also
change the download priority from inside this frame.


Management of Multiple Channels

Unlike YouTube, the plugin anticipates that you will have and maintain
multiple channels for varying purposes (WoT identities). Because of
this, the plugin will always keep a channel drop-drown box at the top of
the screen, allowing you to change the channel you are viewing as and
managing at any time.

It is also possible, if not likely, that there are multiple channels
with the same name. There is no way to reserve a channel name in the
plugin, as you would in a hierarchical domain naming scheme. Although
the channel name is not unique in the plugin, each channel does have a
unique signature for identification of the channel and its contents.


Categorizing and Tagging Content

YouTube does not allow you to categorize your content. The only
categorization possible is by the use of Playlists. This plugin will
allow easy categorization of your content by use of folders. Folders are
hierarchical, meaning the folders can contain folders, just like on your
typical computer file system. Content that can be categorized in folders
includes your Channel list, Liked, Favorite, Playlists, Content and
External Links. In addition, all of the above can have tags placed on
them for simple locating and indexing of related content.


Content Views

All channel and content lists can be viewed as thumbnails that can be
drilled down into. This includes images, videos, audio and all other
types of media. Thumbnail views can be shown either on a sidebar next to
the current content being viewed or in a full page view. All content can
have a thumbnail image attached to it. If the thumbnail is not
available, an image of a ??? will be shown in its place.


Embedding external content as your own

External media content can be presented on a channel using the External
Content Wrapper and supplying the Freenet URL of the media content to be
added to your channel. Once external content is added to a channel, it
can be favorited or added to a playlist just like any other content. It
will be shown to other viewers of your channel as Uploaded content, just
as if you had uploaded it yourself.


Publishing your Channel

Changes you make 

[freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Steve Dougherty]

Have you made progress on writing up your ideas? I'm eager to help.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:

> Thanks guys for your responses, it's really important for me!
> I would determine more precisely what I want to create in a next few days
> and would consult with you after it
>
> Best regards,
> nikotyan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Matthew Toseland <
> toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 20:58:13 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
>> > Hi guys,
>> >
>> > I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long absence. I
>> have
>> > been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet" due gsoc
>> > 2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to personal
>> > circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to continue my
>> work
>> > on my Freenet task. This application allows
>> >
>> > - select files/directories to be shared and tag them for search;
>> >
>> > - search file indexes published by other users (effectively view of WoT
>> > filtered by filesharing context);
>> > - manage trust settings for other user identities (using WoT).
>> >
>> > Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite a long
>> > period of time, what I need now is to become up to date and to join
>> > efficient development ASAP. May I ask you to let me know whether this
>> task
>> > is still interesting for Freenet? Which details of the task should I
>> > consider to be of most help? Who is working on something similar, and
>> whom
>> > should I contact to combine our efforts for quicker and better results?
>> > Certainly I would be grateful for any other relative suggestions,
>> advices
>> > and considerations.
>> >
>> > Thank you very much for your time!
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Tatyana Pyatigorskaya aka nikotyan
>> >
>> It is undoubtedly interesting, please press on!
>>
>> My view is that insert-on-demand isn't all that urgent, and when you do
>> do it you'll need to be rather careful with it for security reasons. On the
>> other hand, data persistence is less than perfect and filesharers
>> habitually reinsert so you'll need something eventually.
>>
>> But maintaining an index of your files and searching others' indexes is
>> core functionality. There are ways to optimise it quite dramatically, e.g.
>> fetching the top and bloom filters for each identity, but these can wait if
>> need be. The other core issue is how to handle spam/poisoning attacks - the
>> WoT should make this easy, but you will need to provide UI. It looks like
>> you're on top of all these issues, so I wish you every possible luck!
>>
>> My own involvement in Freenet at the moment is rather limited at the
>> moment due to academic commitments, but hope to see you around!
>>
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[Steve Dougherty]

Have you made progress on writing up your ideas? I'm eager to help.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:

> Thanks guys for your responses, it's really important for me!
> I would determine more precisely what I want to create in a next few days
> and would consult with you after it
>
> Best regards,
> nikotyan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Matthew Toseland <
> t...@amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 20:58:13 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
>> > Hi guys,
>> >
>> > I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long absence. I
>> have
>> > been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet" due gsoc
>> > 2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to personal
>> > circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to continue my
>> work
>> > on my Freenet task. This application allows
>> >
>> > - select files/directories to be shared and tag them for search;
>> >
>> > - search file indexes published by other users (effectively view of WoT
>> > filtered by filesharing context);
>> > - manage trust settings for other user identities (using WoT).
>> >
>> > Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite a long
>> > period of time, what I need now is to become up to date and to join
>> > efficient development ASAP. May I ask you to let me know whether this
>> task
>> > is still interesting for Freenet? Which details of the task should I
>> > consider to be of most help? Who is working on something similar, and
>> whom
>> > should I contact to combine our efforts for quicker and better results?
>> > Certainly I would be grateful for any other relative suggestions,
>> advices
>> > and considerations.
>> >
>> > Thank you very much for your time!
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Tatyana Pyatigorskaya aka nikotyan
>> >
>> It is undoubtedly interesting, please press on!
>>
>> My view is that insert-on-demand isn't all that urgent, and when you do
>> do it you'll need to be rather careful with it for security reasons. On the
>> other hand, data persistence is less than perfect and filesharers
>> habitually reinsert so you'll need something eventually.
>>
>> But maintaining an index of your files and searching others' indexes is
>> core functionality. There are ways to optimise it quite dramatically, e.g.
>> fetching the top and bloom filters for each identity, but these can wait if
>> need be. The other core issue is how to handle spam/poisoning attacks - the
>> WoT should make this easy, but you will need to provide UI. It looks like
>> you're on top of all these issues, so I wish you every possible luck!
>>
>> My own involvement in Freenet at the moment is rather limited at the
>> moment due to academic commitments, but hope to see you around!
>>
>
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[freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Tanya Pyatigorskaya]

Thanks guys for your responses, it's really important for me!
I would determine more precisely what I want to create in a next few days
and would consult with you after it

Best regards,
nikotyan


On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Matthew Toseland  wrote:

> On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 20:58:13 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long absence. I
> have
> > been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet" due gsoc
> > 2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to personal
> > circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to continue my
> work
> > on my Freenet task. This application allows
> >
> > - select files/directories to be shared and tag them for search;
> >
> > - search file indexes published by other users (effectively view of WoT
> > filtered by filesharing context);
> > - manage trust settings for other user identities (using WoT).
> >
> > Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite a long
> > period of time, what I need now is to become up to date and to join
> > efficient development ASAP. May I ask you to let me know whether this
> task
> > is still interesting for Freenet? Which details of the task should I
> > consider to be of most help? Who is working on something similar, and
> whom
> > should I contact to combine our efforts for quicker and better results?
> > Certainly I would be grateful for any other relative suggestions, advices
> > and considerations.
> >
> > Thank you very much for your time!
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Tatyana Pyatigorskaya aka nikotyan
> >
> It is undoubtedly interesting, please press on!
>
> My view is that insert-on-demand isn't all that urgent, and when you do do
> it you'll need to be rather careful with it for security reasons. On the
> other hand, data persistence is less than perfect and filesharers habitually
> reinsert so you'll need something eventually.
>
> But maintaining an index of your files and searching others' indexes is
> core functionality. There are ways to optimise it quite dramatically, e.g.
> fetching the top and bloom filters for each identity, but these can wait if
> need be. The other core issue is how to handle spam/poisoning attacks - the
> WoT should make this easy, but you will need to provide UI. It looks like
> you're on top of all these issues, so I wish you every possible luck!
>
> My own involvement in Freenet at the moment is rather limited at the moment
> due to academic commitments, but hope to see you around!
>
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Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Tanya Pyatigorskaya]

Thanks guys for your responses, it's really important for me!
I would determine more precisely what I want to create in a next few days
and would consult with you after it

Best regards,
nikotyan


On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Matthew Toseland  wrote:

> On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 20:58:13 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long absence. I
> have
> > been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet" due gsoc
> > 2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to personal
> > circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to continue my
> work
> > on my Freenet task. This application allows
> >
> > - select files/directories to be shared and tag them for search;
> >
> > - search file indexes published by other users (effectively view of WoT
> > filtered by filesharing context);
> > - manage trust settings for other user identities (using WoT).
> >
> > Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite a long
> > period of time, what I need now is to become up to date and to join
> > efficient development ASAP. May I ask you to let me know whether this
> task
> > is still interesting for Freenet? Which details of the task should I
> > consider to be of most help? Who is working on something similar, and
> whom
> > should I contact to combine our efforts for quicker and better results?
> > Certainly I would be grateful for any other relative suggestions, advices
> > and considerations.
> >
> > Thank you very much for your time!
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Tatyana Pyatigorskaya aka nikotyan
> >
> It is undoubtedly interesting, please press on!
>
> My view is that insert-on-demand isn't all that urgent, and when you do do
> it you'll need to be rather careful with it for security reasons. On the
> other hand, data persistence is less than perfect and filesharers habitually
> reinsert so you'll need something eventually.
>
> But maintaining an index of your files and searching others' indexes is
> core functionality. There are ways to optimise it quite dramatically, e.g.
> fetching the top and bloom filters for each identity, but these can wait if
> need be. The other core issue is how to handle spam/poisoning attacks - the
> WoT should make this easy, but you will need to provide UI. It looks like
> you're on top of all these issues, so I wish you every possible luck!
>
> My own involvement in Freenet at the moment is rather limited at the moment
> due to academic commitments, but hope to see you around!
>
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[freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Steve Dougherty]

Welcome back!

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Tanya Pyatigorskaya
 wrote:
> May I ask you to let me know whether this task is still interesting for 
> Freenet?

Indeed it is! I introduced someone used to Vuze to Freenet, and the
lack of this kind of functionality was glaring.

> Which details of the task should I consider to be of most help?

If I understand your question correctly, I'd say "search file indexes
published by other users."

> Who is working on something similar, and whom should I contact to combine our 
> efforts for quicker and better results?

I can't work on it currently because I'm in college courses, but
something like this was my plan for the summer. (And hopefully
Thanksgiving/Winter break as well.) I'd love to help with this. Please
let me know how I can get involved.

-operhiem1

Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Steve Dougherty]

Welcome back!

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Tanya Pyatigorskaya
 wrote:
> May I ask you to let me know whether this task is still interesting for 
> Freenet?

Indeed it is! I introduced someone used to Vuze to Freenet, and the
lack of this kind of functionality was glaring.

> Which details of the task should I consider to be of most help?

If I understand your question correctly, I'd say "search file indexes
published by other users."

> Who is working on something similar, and whom should I contact to combine our 
> efforts for quicker and better results?

I can't work on it currently because I'm in college courses, but
something like this was my plan for the summer. (And hopefully
Thanksgiving/Winter break as well.) I'd love to help with this. Please
let me know how I can get involved.

-operhiem1
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[freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Tanya Pyatigorskaya]

Hi guys,

I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long absence. I have
been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet" due gsoc
2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to personal
circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to continue my work
on my Freenet task. This application allows

- select files/directories to be shared and tag them for search;

- search file indexes published by other users (effectively view of WoT
filtered by filesharing context);
- manage trust settings for other user identities (using WoT).

Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite a long
period of time, what I need now is to become up to date and to join
efficient development ASAP. May I ask you to let me know whether this task
is still interesting for Freenet? Which details of the task should I
consider to be of most help? Who is working on something similar, and whom
should I contact to combine our efforts for quicker and better results?
Certainly I would be grateful for any other relative suggestions, advices
and considerations.

Thank you very much for your time!

Best regards,
Tatyana Pyatigorskaya aka nikotyan
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[Matthew Toseland]

On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 20:58:13 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long absence. I have
> been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet" due gsoc
> 2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to personal
> circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to continue my work
> on my Freenet task. This application allows
> 
> - select files/directories to be shared and tag them for search;
> 
> - search file indexes published by other users (effectively view of WoT
> filtered by filesharing context);
> - manage trust settings for other user identities (using WoT).
> 
> Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite a long
> period of time, what I need now is to become up to date and to join
> efficient development ASAP. May I ask you to let me know whether this task
> is still interesting for Freenet? Which details of the task should I
> consider to be of most help? Who is working on something similar, and whom
> should I contact to combine our efforts for quicker and better results?
> Certainly I would be grateful for any other relative suggestions, advices
> and considerations.
> 
> Thank you very much for your time!
> 
> Best regards,
> Tatyana Pyatigorskaya aka nikotyan
> 
It is undoubtedly interesting, please press on!

My view is that insert-on-demand isn't all that urgent, and when you do do it 
you'll need to be rather careful with it for security reasons. On the other 
hand, data persistence is less than perfect and filesharers habitually reinsert 
so you'll need something eventually.

But maintaining an index of your files and searching others' indexes is core 
functionality. There are ways to optimise it quite dramatically, e.g. fetching 
the top and bloom filters for each identity, but these can wait if need be. The 
other core issue is how to handle spam/poisoning attacks - the WoT should make 
this easy, but you will need to provide UI. It looks like you're on top of all 
these issues, so I wish you every possible luck!

My own involvement in Freenet at the moment is rather limited at the moment due 
to academic commitments, but hope to see you around!
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[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Am Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2011, 23:58:13 schrieb Tanya Pyatigorskaya:
> Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to continue my work
> on my Freenet task. 

Welcome back!

> Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite a long
> period of time, what I need now is to become up to date and to join
> efficient development ASAP. May I ask you to let me know whether this task
> is still interesting for Freenet? 

Hell yes! 

> Who is working on something similar, and whom
> should I contact to combine our efforts for quicker and better results?

What would overally be most interesting (I think) is integration of uploads 
with Freetalk and Sone: Write a post with attached files. The files then get 
uploaded and as soon as they are done, the post gets published. 

What I myself need the most is: Select 30 files and have them put into the 
upload queue 3-5 at a time. Followed automatically by a post in Freetalk *and* 
Sone with the files at the end of the post. 

All that as Freenet plugin, integrated into the web interface. 

What I don?t need yet is searching. Once we have enough material, it would be 
cool, though. 

Best wishes, 
Arne
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Re: [freenet-dev] Filesharing application for Freenet

[Matthew Toseland]

On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 20:58:13 Tanya Pyatigorskaya wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long absence. I have
> been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet" due gsoc
> 2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to personal
> circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to continue my work
> on my Freenet task. This application allows
> 
> - select files/directories to be shared and tag them for search;
> 
> - search file indexes published by other users (effectively view of WoT
> filtered by filesharing context);
> - manage trust settings for other user identities (using WoT).
> 
> Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite a long
> period of time, what I need now is to become up to date and to join
> efficient development ASAP. May I ask you to let me know whether this task
> is still interesting for Freenet? Which details of the task should I
> consider to be of most help? Who is working on something similar, and whom
> should I contact to combine our efforts for quicker and better results?
> Certainly I would be grateful for any other relative suggestions, advices
> and considerations.
> 
> Thank you very much for your time!
> 
> Best regards,
> Tatyana Pyatigorskaya aka nikotyan
> 
It is undoubtedly interesting, please press on!

My view is that insert-on-demand isn't all that urgent, and when you do do it 
you'll need to be rather careful with it for security reasons. On the other 
hand, data persistence is less than perfect and filesharers habitually reinsert 
so you'll need something eventually.

But maintaining an index of your files and searching others' indexes is core 
functionality. There are ways to optimise it quite dramatically, e.g. fetching 
the top and bloom filters for each identity, but these can wait if need be. The 
other core issue is how to handle spam/poisoning attacks - the WoT should make 
this easy, but you will need to provide UI. It looks like you're on top of all 
these issues, so I wish you every possible luck!

My own involvement in Freenet at the moment is rather limited at the moment due 
to academic commitments, but hope to see you around!


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[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Am Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2011, 23:58:13 schrieb Tanya Pyatigorskaya:
> Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to continue my work
> on my Freenet task.

Welcome back!

> Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite a long
> period of time, what I need now is to become up to date and to join
> efficient development ASAP. May I ask you to let me know whether this task
> is still interesting for Freenet?

Hell yes!

> Who is working on something similar, and whom
> should I contact to combine our efforts for quicker and better results?

What would overally be most interesting (I think) is integration of uploads
with Freetalk and Sone: Write a post with attached files. The files then get
uploaded and as soon as they are done, the post gets published.

What I myself need the most is: Select 30 files and have them put into the
upload queue 3-5 at a time. Followed automatically by a post in Freetalk *and*
Sone with the files at the end of the post.

All that as Freenet plugin, integrated into the web interface.

What I don’t need yet is searching. Once we have enough material, it would be
cool, though.

Best wishes,
Arne
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[Tanya Pyatigorskaya]

Hi guys,

I would like to say hello to all of you after my rather long absence. I have
been working on the task "filesharing application for freenet" due gsoc
2010. Than I had to postpone my Freenet activities due to personal
circumstances. Now I am back, and I am happy to be able to continue my work
on my Freenet task. This application allows

- select files/directories to be shared and tag them for search;

- search file indexes published by other users (effectively view of WoT
filtered by filesharing context);
- manage trust settings for other user identities (using WoT).

Since I was out of the day-to-day work in the community for quite a long
period of time, what I need now is to become up to date and to join
efficient development ASAP. May I ask you to let me know whether this task
is still interesting for Freenet? Which details of the task should I
consider to be of most help? Who is working on something similar, and whom
should I contact to combine our efforts for quicker and better results?
Certainly I would be grateful for any other relative suggestions, advices
and considerations.

Thank you very much for your time!

Best regards,
Tatyana Pyatigorskaya aka nikotyan
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