Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-06 Thread Christian Lohmaier
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 7:26 PM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bernhard, you must have missed my most recent reply to Christian above. My
 error was *not* in attempting to «reconvert» a hexadecimal representation to
 yet another hexadecimal,

Yes, you did...

 but rather in simply mistaking a decimal
 representation (2204, which represents the same number as the hexdecimal

No - your mistake is to mistake 2204 as decimal.

 089c), found as I explicitly noted, on p 1 of the Unicode table, as being
 that of the Unicode glyph (∄) in question, whereas it codes for an entirely
 different glyph.

But 2204 /is/ the (hex)representation of ∄

∄ = 2204₁₆ (hex) = 8708₁₀ (decimal)

but well, I guess that's clear now, I don't really know why I did
reply... Sorry for the noise.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-05 Thread Ben McGinnes
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On 5/05/11 4:02 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
 
 Does not work in Windows...
 
 No wonder as it's GTK's input-method feature, not provided by LO/OOo.

I got it working on a Mac using the Compose Special Characters
extension:

http://www.productivityapps.com/csc.html

I'm not sure if it will work in Math, though, so it might not help in
this case.  I spend most of my time in LO using Writer, with sporadic
forays into Calc.  That extension (along with the ucs-insert setting
in Emacs) has made my life a great deal easier.


Regards,
Ben

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-05 Thread Bernhard Dippold

M Henri Day schrieb:

2011/5/4 Christian Lohmaierlohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com


On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 8:19 PM, M Henri Daymhenri...@gmail.com  wrote:

2011/5/4 Robert Dermanrobert.der...@pressenter.com
[...]
(for me at least), it is not the hex code, but rather the decimal code

that

must be used to import the glyph ; thus entering «2204» (without the
quotation marks) in the tool gives me the desired ∄, whereas entering
«089c»gives me a glyph I cannot read ࢜ with the fonts I have installed on


Nope - that's double conversion you're doing here.. 2204 is already
hex value. that in decimal would be 8708

While probably not so useful for this case, you can also modify
windows keyboard layouts to have access to more key-combinations.

http://microsoft.com/globaldev/tools/msklc.mspx

ciao
Christian



I'm not quite sure I follow you here, Christian ; 089c is the hexadecimal
representation of the number represented by the decimal 2204 ((12x16⁰ +
(9x16¹) + (8x16²)), so I don't understand where the «double conversion»
comes in. As I understand it, 2204 is the decimal and 089c the hexadecimal
code for the glyph «∄», and the first page of Table de caractères Unicode (
http://unicode.coeurlumiere.com/) would seem to back me up.


Your example describes it differently:

On page 3 [1] it shows the glyph in the line 2200 at fifth position out 
of 16.


Therefore it is Unicode 2204, as the columns stand for the last position 
in the four digit code.


But the line above is 21F0 - and the last 6 columns in each line stand 
for the fourth position of the code as A to F.


These numbers can't be decimal - they are hexadecimal. Nobody would try 
to convert let's say 220A (just 5 characters behind 2204), the small 
epsilon sign, to Hex again.


By the way, the small number above the sign is the decimal number.

I don't know if this helps at all, I just wanted to tell...

Best regards

Bernhard

[1]: http://unicode.coeurlumiere.com/?n=8192

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-04 Thread Olivier Hallot

Hi

Thanks for the time to answer.

The symbol is not in the wikipage indicated.

It's an ∃ overlapped with /, or barred ∃, the negation of exist (∃).

I wonder if this symbol can be added to Math, and if there is a code 
(unicode) for it.


Regards
Olivier



Em 04-05-2011 02:07, Steve Edmonds escreveu:



On 2011-05-04 16:47, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:

Le 03/05/2011 21:26, Olivier Hallot a écrit :


Hi

Does anybody knows if in LO Math there si a way to represent the
mathematical symbol for There is no, which is a barred flipped E?

Is it difficult to add it to the Elements windows? If a bug is already
open, and one of you knows it, can I get the number to track it?

Thanks in advance.


Hi Olivier,

Is a notin b the answer you asked for ?

Best regards
JBF




Is it ∃! or ∉
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mathematical_symbols in case
unicode above is not transmitted by the list server and please advise if
the symbol is there.
steve



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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-04 Thread Mike Hall
...should have added   ∄On 04/05/2011 11:12, Mike Hall wrote:Unicode Character 
'THERE DOES NOT EXIST' (U+2204)
==


see...www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2204/index.htm... easily found with 
a Google searchMikeOn 04/05/2011 11:07, Olivier Hallot wrote:HiThanks for the 
time to answer.The symbol is not in the wikipage indicated.It's an ∃ 
overlapped with /, or barred ∃, the negation of
exist (∃).I wonder if this symbol can be added to Math, and if there 
is a
code (unicode) for it.RegardsOlivierEm 04-05-2011 02:07, Steve Edmonds 
escreveu:On 2011-05-04 16:47, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:Le 03/05/2011 21:26, 
Olivier Hallot a
écrit :HiDoes anybody knows if in LO Math there si a way to
  represent themathematical symbol for There is no, which is a 
barred
  flipped E?Is it difficult to add it to the Elements windows? If 
a
  bug is alreadyopen, and one of you knows it, can I get the number 
to
  track it?Thanks in advance.Hi Olivier,Is a notin b the answer 
you asked for ?Best regardsJBFIs it ∃! or 
∉Seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mathematical_symbolsin caseunicode 
above is not transmitted by the list server and please
  advise ifthe symbol is there.steve-- 
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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-04 Thread Olivier Hallot

Thanks Mike for the tip

As I see, this character U+2204, does not exist in Opensymbol font, used 
by Math by default. At least not in the displayed characters of Math UI.


So, if this symbol get implemented in Opensymbol, it will be trivial to 
make it show in the Element window


Olivier






Em 04-05-2011 07:13, Mike Hall escreveu:

...should have added   ∄On 04/05/2011 11:12, Mike Hall wrote:Unicode Character 
'THERE DOES NOT EXIST' (U+2204)
==


see...www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2204/index.htm... easily found with a Google 
searchMikeOn 04/05/2011 11:07, Olivier Hallot wrote:HiThanks for the time to answer.The 
symbol is not in the wikipage indicated.It's an ∃ overlapped with /, or 
barred ∃, the negation of
 exist (∃).I wonder if this symbol can be added to Math, and if there 
is a
 code (unicode) for it.RegardsOlivierEm 04-05-2011 02:07, Steve Edmonds 
escreveu:On 2011-05-04 16:47, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:Le 03/05/2011 21:26, 
Olivier Hallot a
 écrit :HiDoes anybody knows if in LO Math there si a way to
   represent themathematical symbol for There is no, which is a 
barred
   flipped E?Is it difficult to add it to the Elements windows? 
If a
   bug is alreadyopen, and one of you knows it, can I get the 
number to
   track it?Thanks in advance.Hi Olivier,Is a notin b the answer 
you asked for ?Best regardsJBFIs it ∃! or 
∉Seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mathematical_symbolsin caseunicode above is not 
transmitted by the list server and please
   advise ifthe symbol is there.steve--
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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-04 Thread M Henri Day
2011/5/4 Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org

 Thanks Mike for the tip

 As I see, this character U+2204, does not exist in Opensymbol font, used by
 Math by default. At least not in the displayed characters of Math UI.

 So, if this symbol get implemented in Opensymbol, it will be trivial to
 make it show in the Element window

 Olivier


Olivier, in Linux operating systems such as, e g, Ubuntu, symbols like the ∄
symbol can easily be inserted in a LibreOffice document by holding the Ctrl
and Shift keys and pressing u (Ctrl+Shift+u) and then typing the hexdecimal
code (in this case) 2204 and pressing the space bar. But I agree, this type
of logic symbol should certainly be included in the list of special
characters in LibreOffice Math

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-04 Thread Olivier Hallot



Em 04-05-2011 13:11, M Henri Day escreveu:

2011/5/4 Olivier Hallotolivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org


Thanks Mike for the tip

As I see, this character U+2204, does not exist in Opensymbol font, used by
Math by default. At least not in the displayed characters of Math UI.

So, if this symbol get implemented in Opensymbol, it will be trivial to
make it show in the Element window

Olivier



Olivier, in Linux operating systems such as, e g, Ubuntu, symbols like the ∄
symbol can easily be inserted in a LibreOffice document by holding the Ctrl
and Shift keys and pressing u (Ctrl+Shift+u) and then typing the hexdecimal
code (in this case) 2204 and pressing the space bar. But I agree, this type
of logic symbol should certainly be included in the list of special
characters in LibreOffice Math

Henri



Hi
Yes, in a Mandriva system as well, although I run out of fingers to type 
such key combination!!


Does not work in Windows...

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-04 Thread Robert Derman

Olivier Hallot wrote:



Em 04-05-2011 13:11, M Henri Day escreveu:

2011/5/4 Olivier Hallotolivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org


Thanks Mike for the tip

As I see, this character U+2204, does not exist in Opensymbol font, 
used by

Math by default. At least not in the displayed characters of Math UI.

So, if this symbol get implemented in Opensymbol, it will be trivial to
make it show in the Element window

Olivier



Olivier, in Linux operating systems such as, e g, Ubuntu, symbols 
like the ∄
symbol can easily be inserted in a LibreOffice document by holding 
the Ctrl
and Shift keys and pressing u (Ctrl+Shift+u) and then typing the 
hexdecimal
code (in this case) 2204 and pressing the space bar. But I agree, 
this type

of logic symbol should certainly be included in the list of special
characters in LibreOffice Math

Henri



Hi
Yes, in a Mandriva system as well, although I run out of fingers to 
type such key combination!!


Does not work in Windows...
Since the majority of computer users have the Windows OS, it sounds like 
we need to specifically add this character to the set of Math characters. 


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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-04 Thread Steve Edmonds



On 5/05/11 4:11 AM, M Henri Day wrote:

2011/5/4 Olivier Hallotolivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org


Thanks Mike for the tip

As I see, this character U+2204, does not exist in Opensymbol font, used by
Math by default. At least not in the displayed characters of Math UI.

So, if this symbol get implemented in Opensymbol, it will be trivial to
make it show in the Element window

Olivier


Olivier, in Linux operating systems such as, e g, Ubuntu, symbols like the ∄
symbol can easily be inserted in a LibreOffice document by holding the Ctrl
and Shift keys and pressing u (Ctrl+Shift+u) and then typing the hexdecimal
code (in this case) 2204 and pressing the space bar. But I agree, this type
of logic symbol should certainly be included in the list of special
characters in LibreOffice Math

Henri


Can't Ctl+Shift+u on my mac but can paste the character ∄ into math.
steve

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-04 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Olivier, *,

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Olivier Hallot
olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 Em 04-05-2011 13:11, M Henri Day escreveu:
 2011/5/4 Olivier Hallotolivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org

 So, if this symbol get implemented in Opensymbol, it will be trivial to
 make it show in the Element window

Sure, but it won't be compatibility-foolproof - but in the meantime
you can add the symbol manually and use it by keyword.

 [insert it by character code]

 Yes, in a Mandriva system as well, although I run out of fingers to type
 such key combination!!

ctrl+shift+u, then release those, type the unicode hexcode, end input
with enter - no need to keep ctrl+shit+u pressed all the time.

 Does not work in Windows...

No wonder as it's GTK's input-method feature, not provided by LO/OOo.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-04 Thread M Henri Day
2011/5/4 Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com

 Olivier Hallot wrote:



 Em 04-05-2011 13:11, M Henri Day escreveu:

 2011/5/4 Olivier Hallotolivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org

  Thanks Mike for the tip

 As I see, this character U+2204, does not exist in Opensymbol font, used
 by
 Math by default. At least not in the displayed characters of Math UI.

 So, if this symbol get implemented in Opensymbol, it will be trivial to
 make it show in the Element window

 Olivier


 Olivier, in Linux operating systems such as, e g, Ubuntu, symbols like
 the ∄
 symbol can easily be inserted in a LibreOffice document by holding the
 Ctrl
 and Shift keys and pressing u (Ctrl+Shift+u) and then typing the
 hexdecimal
 code (in this case) 2204 and pressing the space bar. But I agree, this
 type
 of logic symbol should certainly be included in the list of special
 characters in LibreOffice Math

 Henri


 Hi
 Yes, in a Mandriva system as well, although I run out of fingers to type
 such key combination!!

 Does not work in Windows...

 Since the majority of computer users have the Windows OS, it sounds like we
 need to specifically add this character to the set of Math characters.


As I noted above, I quite agree that these logical symbols should be added
to the list of special characters in LibreOffice Math. However, until they
are, there exists a workaround for Windows users, which even works with
Windows 7 (checked on 64-bit Win7 Pro) ; namely, to install UnicodeInput (
http://www.fileformat.info/tool/unicodeinput/index.htm). Note, however, that
(for me at least), it is not the hex code, but rather the decimal code that
must be used to import the glyph ; thus entering «2204» (without the
quotation marks) in the tool gives me the desired ∄, whereas entering
«089c»gives me a glyph I cannot read ࢜ with the fonts I have installed on
Win7

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-04 Thread Christian Lohmaier
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 8:19 PM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote:
 2011/5/4 Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com
 [...]
 (for me at least), it is not the hex code, but rather the decimal code that
 must be used to import the glyph ; thus entering «2204» (without the
 quotation marks) in the tool gives me the desired ∄, whereas entering
 «089c»gives me a glyph I cannot read ࢜ with the fonts I have installed on

Nope - that's double conversion you're doing here.. 2204 is already
hex value. that in decimal would be 8708

While probably not so useful for this case, you can also modify
windows keyboard layouts to have access to more key-combinations.

http://microsoft.com/globaldev/tools/msklc.mspx

ciao
Christian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-04 Thread M Henri Day
2011/5/4 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com

 On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 8:19 PM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote:
  2011/5/4 Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com
  [...]
  (for me at least), it is not the hex code, but rather the decimal code
 that
  must be used to import the glyph ; thus entering «2204» (without the
  quotation marks) in the tool gives me the desired ∄, whereas entering
  «089c»gives me a glyph I cannot read ࢜ with the fonts I have installed on

 Nope - that's double conversion you're doing here.. 2204 is already
 hex value. that in decimal would be 8708

 While probably not so useful for this case, you can also modify
 windows keyboard layouts to have access to more key-combinations.

 http://microsoft.com/globaldev/tools/msklc.mspx

 ciao
 Christian


I'm not quite sure I follow you here, Christian ; 089c is the hexadecimal
representation of the number represented by the decimal 2204 ((12x16⁰ +
(9x16¹) + (8x16²)), so I don't understand where the «double conversion»
comes in. As I understand it, 2204 is the decimal and 089c the hexadecimal
code for the glyph «∄», and the first page of Table de caractères Unicode (
http://unicode.coeurlumiere.com/) would seem to back me up. But perhaps this
is a misunderstanding on my part, and if so, I should be grateful if you
would disabuse me

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-04 Thread James Cloos
 OH == Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org writes:

OH The symbol is not in the wikipage indicated.
OH It's an ∃ overlapped with /, or barred ∃, the negation of exist (∃).

That character is in the UCS and Unicode as:

 U+2204  THERE DOES NOT EXIST  ∄

The whole 2200..22F1 block dates from unicode 1.1, so any font which
supports U+2203  THERE EXISTS  ∃ should also support ∄.

You might need to use the code point to enter that character in
libreoffice.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-04 Thread M Henri Day
2011/5/4 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com

 On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:06 PM, M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com wrote:
  2011/5/4 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com
  [...]
  I'm not quite sure I follow you here, Christian ; 089c is the hexadecimal
  representation of the number represented by the decimal 2204

 Yes, but the 2204 is not a decimal number. 2204 is already a
 hexadecimal representation.

  [...] so I don't understand where the «double conversion» comes in.

 Your converting a number to hexadecimal that is already hexadecimal.
 It is not two thousand two hundred and four, but 2*16³+2*16²+4 = 8708

  As I understand it, 2204 is the decimal and 089c the hexadecimal
  code for the glyph «∄»,

 No. 2204 is the hexadecimal representation, and 089c is a completely
 different character (one that is not assigned)

  and the first page of Table de caractères Unicode (
  http://unicode.coeurlumiere.com/) would seem to back me up.

 No, on the contrary, when you look up 089c there (go to 0890 in the
 leftmost row, then go to the c = 12th column (starting to count with
 0, i.e. the columns with characters are
 0890, 0891, … 0899, 089A, 089B, 089C (=2204), 089D, 089E, 089F

 Nowhere in the table's body, you'll see a hex digit, none of the small
 numbers above the characters contains an a, b, c, d, e or f, while the
 outer numbering does - thus those little number cannot be
 hexadecimal, but those are the decimal ones, they are increased by one
 left to right, top to bottom.

 go to
 http://unicode.coeurlumiere.com/?n=8192 locate the 2200 in the
 leftmost index column, go to the 4th (again starting with 0) column
 and you are at our character U+2204, with decimal number 8708.

  But perhaps this
  is a misunderstanding on my part, and if so, I should be grateful if you
  would disabuse me

 Hope that helps.

 ciao
 Christian


Thanks, Christian ; I stand corrected

Henri

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[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-03 Thread Olivier Hallot

Hi

Does anybody knows if in LO Math there si a way to represent the 
mathematical symbol for There is no, which is a barred flipped E?


Is it difficult to add it to the Elements windows? If a bug is already 
open, and one of you knows it, can I get the number to track it?


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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-03 Thread Isaac Hummel

On 05/03/2011 03:26 PM, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Hi

Does anybody knows if in LO Math there si a way to represent the 
mathematical symbol for There is no, which is a barred flipped E?


Is it difficult to add it to the Elements windows? If a bug is 
already open, and one of you knows it, can I get the number to track it?


Thanks in advance.


This seems like something that fits much better in the LibreOffice-Users 
mailing list (which is designed for questions like this). Maybe you'd 
get a quicker response there.


http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/#users

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-03 Thread Steve Edmonds


On 2011-05-04 16:47, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
 Le 03/05/2011 21:26, Olivier Hallot a écrit :
   
 Hi

 Does anybody knows if in LO Math there si a way to represent the
 mathematical symbol for There is no, which is a barred flipped E?

 Is it difficult to add it to the Elements windows? If a bug is already
 open, and one of you knows it, can I get the number to track it?

 Thanks in advance.
 
 Hi Olivier,

 Is a notin b the answer you asked for ?

 Best regards
 JBF

   

Is it ∃! or ∉
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mathematical_symbols in case
unicode above is not transmitted by the list server and please advise if
the symbol is there.
steve

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