Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store
jazztime;366626 Wrote: Is it possible to make the progress bar on the now playing screen larger/longer? That way it will be easier to move the slider. Like the way it is in the iTouch apple music app (mp3 player)- where the two symbols (repeat and crossfade?) is placer under the playing time and remaining time. Hm. I'll play around with it a bit. The problem is: the second row hold the TrackStat rating stars, which are only available if you've got TrackStat installed. On the other hand I will probably need to show it all the time anyway for the next release, but then ther's something else. Short: Let's see... BTW: Pippin, did you se my suggestion about tracknumbers in post 283? Yesm I saw that one. Did I not reply? Sorry. I see the point and I'm thinking about how to apply them, I don't want them to take up as much space as in the playlist. -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store
woo;366596 Wrote: i just bought ipeng for my ipod touch. i thought that I could play the stream on the ipod, but this does not seem to be the case? I can only control other players? No. No audio playback yet. It will definitely come, but I don't have a date yet -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Songbird
I think it would be nice to have it as a desktop control. -- pichonCalavera *rip* (eac) *convert* (flac) *tag* (musicbrainz/mp3tag) *normalize* (replaygain/foobar2000) *albumart* (www) *transport* (winscp) *store* (debian) *rescan* (squeezecenter) *play* (squeezebox) *preamplify* (zpre2) *amplify* (zampv3) *listen* (axiomm2) *scrooble* (last.fm) *enjoy* (me :) pichonCalavera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13068 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55884 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] First Post; Please Help
Thanks for the compliment, but I was merely spitting back what you guys told me. Again, the only issue is whether this de-apple-ization of the Doberman will lead to a mid-life crisis. Certainly, my intake of Whey will increase along with my military presses. Hope springs eternal on all fronts. Sad. By the way Audials One -- $50 -- was the system I used to rip apart the thievery created by Apple and my Ipod. All of my tunes are now in Windows Media Player (thanks to Audials One), sitting nicely waiting for the Duet to transport them to the nearest way station (Heaven Can Wait, Warren Beatty, 1980). I'll wait for the Apple Police to get here, then I'll take them to court -- I am a trial lawyer and I am pissed off. Here, I downloaded 7,000 tunes from I Tunes (everything except the Beatles) and then I learned that I am a miniature turtle, stuck inside of an IPOD. Then, they try to sell me all this equipment that digitalizes the Steeler football games. I've been to all 6 Super Bowls in person, and the answer was NO NO NO NO NO NO. So, I was mistaken on the price of my little saintly system that I will use most days: Logitech z5500 - $400.00 Logitech Duet - $400.00 Audials One- $ 50.00. (Plasma TV - they cost virtually nothing now, and use a Coaxial cable as it sounds the best; it plugs right into the coaxial input of the piece of shit z5500 if that is what you use -- since everybody says they are bad news, you can get one almost anywhere.) Now, don't get me wrong. My Phillips is 50 or so. But my theater room is 100. So, on the big football games, I'll go into the media room. But not if I can help it. I like this z5500 -- it just sounds good. Otherwise, as I said, you can't get me out of here. And, in a day or two, every room will have a squeeze box just so I can control the house from in this small study. Eventually, it will be the movie Psycho. I looked at your website and background and you obviously know what you are doing. You've got the two squeeze boxes -- one wired and one wireless. You figured it out -- probably long ago. I wish I had learned sooner. You can only listen to Stairway to Heaven in a virtual stairway so many times before you say enough is enough. Peace, and thanks. Mitch. -- Mitchell J. Stein Mitchell J. Stein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21520 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55712 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Compilations and album artist tag
the problem is his way isn't compatible with winamp, and lot of other apps. so its a personal preference on your part. That's right. It is personal preference, and there isn't a right way (but there are probably some wrong ways!) of organising music. For me, SC is central to my music collection. I use it for playing music throughout the house, and for organising my music (eg. searching/finding items). I want the best experience I can get out of it. A lot of my music in my library is FLAC, so I don't have problems with those. I do use other apps, but they are inferior in functionality and serve less purpose for me, so I don't worry as much about how music is presented in their libraries. I don't have all that many albums with guest performers, so don't need too many occurrances of Album Artist tags. I only use album artist tags when they are needed. eg. I use Foobar as a local player for the desktop PC (that also supports TXXX ALBUMARTIST), but I don't have a need to scan and organise music in a library within FooBar - it is purely my default player for files opened in Windows. I use iTunes, but only for syncing music to an iPod Nano for playing random songs in the car, so I am also generally unconcerned as to how the music library is presented in iTunes itself. iTunes music library is broken in other ways, anyway. BTW, MusicIP, which many people like to integrate with SC, does not support album artist at all. i.e. TPE2 is read only as Band/Orchestra, and appears as a column of data; it has no other meaning. Other people may like complete compatibility with other apps, or maybe do not wish to change tags, and thus a losing functionality to accomodate that way of working may be ideal for them. Phil ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store
Not posted a comment about iPeng yet, took ages to read this entire thread! Wonder if it is time to lock the thread and start a new one with a FAQ / Limitations of 1.0 / Known bugs / Roadmap as a starting message? Anyway just to say what so many others have said and that is awesome piece of software. I can't believe you have turned this around so quickly! I have followed iPeng development on and off since the beginning. I used the web based skin a few times but felt it was a bit gimmicky rather than for every day use. The performance got better over time as did the interface, but it was never quite responsive enough for me. I installed the iPeng Native app from App Store as soon as I realised it was avaialble. What can I say it is just fantastic. It is my main controller now for my SB3 and SBB. In the past my controller was a laptop and the web interace to SC but not anymore. In addition it has demonstrated just how capable the iPhone / Touch can be with the right software (just a pity Apple are so restritive on so many things!). I'm now looking at another product to control my home automation system. So many thanks Pippin for an excellent product and I have no hesitation in recommending the purchase of iPeng -- Paul_B Paul Slimcentre 7.2 on Quad Intel MSI MoBo running Vista Ultimate 64bit controlled via a Mini-ITX server running Windows 2003 R2 (SP2) and Idratek Cortex home-automation software. Remote storage QNAP TS-109 Pro(2.1.0T)~(500GB Hitachi HDD) SB3 (x1), 1 x SBB (Squeezebox Boom) on order RIP - dBpowerAMP R13 to FLAC ID3 Tags - MP3Tag v2.41 Paul_B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter/SB3 Display Life
JJZolx;366574 Wrote: I have an SB2 that has fairly pronounced screen burn in (or burn out?) from leaving it run the date/time screensaver at maximum brightness for a couple of years. The pixels in the center of the display are noticeably dimmer than those to either side. I have a feeling that had it been run at lesser brightness there would be little noticeable degradation of the display, but I would recommend a 'blank' screensaver for any display that you value. How many clocks does anyone need, anyway? Ditto here. It is nice to have the 'real' time around the house though. -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55942 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squidgy for iPhone now available in Apple App Store
1.3 is now on the app store - player sync works by drag and drop on the players menu - to unsync players tap the connection line that joins synced players together to break it. You can save your current playlist using the icon at the bottom right of the current playlist screen. As before there shouldn't be any issues upgrading but a fresh install from itunes is recommended. -- idowantapickle idowantapickle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55073 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squidgy for iPhone now available in Apple App Store
idowantapickle;30 Wrote: 1.3 is now on the app store - player sync works by drag and drop on the players menu - to unsync players tap the connection line that joins synced players together to break it. You can save your current playlist using the icon at the bottom right of the current playlist screen. As before there shouldn't be any issues upgrading but a fresh install from itunes is recommended. Hi. I like your Zone-Player like syncing. Thought about doing it that way as well... A few things: How do I unsync a single player? Is that by clicking the line for that specific player? How do I see the whole current playlist, not just the upcoming songs? And a bug I noticed and that I'm relly happy to see - not to dis you because I think it's an iPhone issue and it has been haunting me during beta and I had to solve it with a workaround: If you press unsync all and then immediately start to drag a player (before the unsync is finished) the player will get lost in an off-line position and if you try to move it again, Squidgy crashes. The problem is that you must not call reloadData while an element is being dragged. Quizz: How do you find out that an element is being dragged :-) -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55073 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] customer support?
thanks to advice from this forum - and i stand by my description of customer support as ordure! - i finally found my pin this was not a 4 digit code as mentioned in set up, but a 5 character alphanumeric code! entered on pc and i now have an officially connected boom why don't they print a proper manual? what amounts to a quick start guide is ambiguous and misleading - hypothetical question really, no one seems to have proper manuals and decent on line support nowadays the strange update incomplete message seems to have resolved itself now as well do thanks to everyone who pitched in - now down to digitising my large vinyl library and deciding what bit rates are appropriate - or should that be another thread? phil -- pippout pippout's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55573 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squidgy for iPhone now available in Apple App Store
pippin;34 Wrote: How do I unsync a single player? Is that by clicking the line for that specific player? Yes, just tap the connection icon in that line to unsync one player from a group of more than 2. pippin;34 Wrote: How do I see the whole current playlist, not just the upcoming songs? We're currently only showing the upcoming songs, but saving the playlist saves the whole lot pippin;34 Wrote: If you press unsync all and then immediately start to drag a player (before the unsync is finished) the player will get lost in an off-line position and if you try to move it again, Squidgy crashes. Oops - missed that one - we did catch it for adding or removing individual players though... pippin;34 Wrote: Quizz: How do you find out that an element is being dragged :-) I think you have to keep track of it yourself - maybe return false from tableView:canMoveRowAtIndexPath: while waiting for an update... -- idowantapickle idowantapickle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55073 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] use iTunes and browse folder without duplicate entries
I run SC (latest production release) on an iMac (latest OS) and my music library is stored on a Apple TimeCapsule (Apple NAS drive). I am afraid that you are right, the iTunes path might be different. Is there no workaround to add the music folder path just for SC to use the file browse option? I am OK to use my iTunes index to browse on MP3 tag metadata but I would like to keep the option to browse in the folder structure I defined myself. -- blberenb blberenb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=514 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55853 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Synchronize on Top SB3 Menu
You got my vote. Now fix the economy!!! =) -- 4mula1 SqueezeCenter 7.2.1 + Solaris 10 x86: Because everything else would've been easy! '4mula1 on Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/4mula1) 4mula1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55923 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Artists not sorting
I have upgraded to Fedora FC10 same problem SqueezeCenter SqueezeCenter Version: 7.2.1 - 23630 @ Mon Oct 20 19:52:55 PDT 2008 - Red Hat - EN - utf8 Server IP address: 192.168.1.67 Perl Version: 5.10.0 i386-linux-thread-multi MySQL Version: 5.0.67 Platform Architecture: i686-linux Hostname: newden.mshome.net Server Port Number: 9000 Still getting same problem -- Vulcanbomber Vulcanbomber's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3249 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55828 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
So what the deal with this Deezer then? i have never seen it before now. But at first glance this seems to just be like lastFM's similar artists radio feature. Am i missing something? -- autopilot *Lounge :* Squeezebox Classic - Cambridge Audio Azur 640a - Mission 701's. *Bedroom :* Squeezebox Receiver - Trends TA10.1 Class-T - Kef Cresta 1's *Office :* Softsqueeze - Logitech Active 5.1's. *Kitchen :* Squeezebox Boom -coming soon- *Roaming : * Squeezebox Controller - Logitech mm28 portable speakers / Shure E2c's *Controllers :* Squeezebox Controller x 2 + Logitech Harmony one *Server :* SC7.3b (Vista 64) + AlienBBC, iPlayer MusicIP headless. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Volume control
jeffbarish;365938 Wrote: Using the CLI, it is possible to set the volume to real numbers between 0 and 100. Is there documentation anywhere on what the numbers mean? For example, do they represent uniform steps in db's? No, the numbers from 0 to 100 do NOT represent uniform steps in decibels - I wish they did! I measured and plotted this in 'this thread (post #7)' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29992), but my call for a plug-in or software fix to change this got no response. :-( The problem, simply stated, as I see (hear?) it, is that -the volume changes are the lower end are too coarse, and at the top end: too fine.- -- mooblie Martin at 'Headspin' (http//www.headspin.plus.com) mooblie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15378 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55863 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squidgy for iPhone now available in Apple App Store
idowantapickle;366673 Wrote: I think you have to keep track of it yourself - maybe return false from tableView:canMoveRowAtIndexPath: while waiting for an update... Hey, thanks, that's a good hint. I was looking for a notification or something but there aren't any. I didn't implement canMoveRowAtIndexPath then so I never saw it's being called before the movement starts. I would definitely call this a bug in Apple's tableView implementation since there's even Apple demo code calling reloadData from within the edit mode... -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55073 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store
grifforama;366578 Wrote: Pippin ? For those of us who have jailbroken iphones, and we wish to change the icon ourselves, can you let us know where it is in the application folder ? Awesome application by the way...really really well thought out. I hope you do well from it. iPeng.app/57.png Likely going to change for future versions. -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controller or alternative (iPod touch/iPhone)?
Another questionIf I purchase the Duet (w/out the controller) will I be able to do the initial setup of the receiver using an iTouch and iPeng or Squidgy? Or will I have to use the method listed in the following link? http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43722highlight=network+configuration -- morsejeff morsejeff's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18805 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55435 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] use iTunes and browse folder without duplicate entries
There is no workaround which would stop SC from reading both the iTunes xml and the music library folder and then adding both versions to the database. You could have a look at the CustomBrowse plugin - that might enable you to define a custom library so that only your iTunes songs were showing, but you would still have Browse Music Folder functionality. The better solution would be to somehow resolve the different folder paths between Browse Music Folder and iTunes. Where is the iTunes xml file stored, on the Mac or on the Time Capsule and what is the file path you are using in iTunes? What path are you inputting as the Music Library setting? If you used an UNC path, could you use the same formulation for both? -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55853 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
the issue is always the same. I would like to have a choice of artist AND album/track, and it seems deezer does not offer that, but only a streaming feature, like Last.fm or Pandora. The interesting thing is, that Deezer allows one to browse and play the library by artist, album and track if you access it from the web. Why has this not been implemented in Squeezecenter? I really would like to have a european version of Rhapsody - we have all been clamouring for this for a very long time, and many have jumped the gun and moved to the sonos platform. regards, Giacomo -- gbruzzo http://www.last.fm/user/JackieBr/ gbruzzo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3633 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controller or alternative (iPod touch/iPhone)?
morsejeff;366726 Wrote: Another questionIf I purchase the Duet (w/out the controller) will I be able to do the initial setup of the receiver using an iTouch and iPeng or Squidgy? Or will I have to use the method listed in the following link? http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43722highlight=network+configuration I would assume you cannot use iPeng to do the inital setup because during this initial setup the Controller actually does an adhoc direct wireless connection to the receiver which the ipod/iphone does not do. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55435 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
gbruzzo;366731 Wrote: The interesting thing is, that Deezer allows one to browse and play the library by artist, album and track if you access it from the web. Why has this not been implemented in Squeezecenter? I really would like to have a european version of Rhapsody - we have all been clamouring for this for a very long time, and many have jumped the gun and moved to the sonos platform. regards, Giacomo Am I missing something? I thought Rhapsody was only available in the US whether you jump the gun or not? -- mattybain '[image: http://imagegen.last.fm/recenttracks3/recenttracks/MattyBain.gif]' (http://www.last.fm/user/MattyBain/?chartstyle=recenttracks3) mattybain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controller or alternative (iPod touch/iPhone)?
morsejeff;366726 Wrote: Another questionIf I purchase the Duet (w/out the controller) will I be able to do the initial setup of the receiver using an iTouch and iPeng or Squidgy? Or will I have to use the method listed in the following link? http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43722highlight=network+configuration Yes, m1abrams is right, you have to use the Net-UDAP tool. -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55435 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
mattybain;366735 Wrote: Am I missing something? I thought Rhapsody was only available in the US whether you jump the gun or not? Yes, but the Sonos supports Napster - which is the same type of service, only a bit better and available in Europe (i dont understand is why Rhapsody dont do a UK service if Napster can). -- autopilot *Lounge :* Squeezebox Classic - Cambridge Audio Azur 640a - Mission 701's. *Bedroom :* Squeezebox Receiver - Trends TA10.1 Class-T - Kef Cresta 1's *Office :* Softsqueeze - Logitech Active 5.1's. *Kitchen :* Squeezebox Boom -coming soon- *Roaming : * Squeezebox Controller - Logitech mm28 portable speakers / Shure E2c's *Controllers :* Squeezebox Controller x 2 + Logitech Harmony one *Server :* SC7.3b (Vista 64) + AlienBBC, iPlayer MusicIP headless. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Volume control
I looked at your chart, and to be honest it looks exactly as I'd expect. The general rule of thumb as I understand it is that a doubling in perceived loudness is equivalent to an increase of around 10db. If I had the volume control at 20 and changed it to 40, I'd logically expect the sound to be twice as loud - which means the SPL would have to go up by 10dB. Looking at your measured values, that's pretty much exactly what happens (~-18 to -10). Likewise going from 30 to 60 should also be a change of 10 (and it is also actually about 8). If the response followed your linear scale, 20-40 would double the loudness, but so would 40-60 and 60-80. That doesn't make sense to me - going from 60% to 80% (and it is a scale from 0-100 so I'd guess most people perceive it as a percentage) shouldn't double the loudness. Your comment that not much happens as you drop from 10040, output drops from 0 to -10dB seems misleading, because that drop of -10dB is close to a halving in loudness - which seems appropriate for the scale change of 10040. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55863 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
gbruzzo;366731 Wrote: The interesting thing is, that Deezer allows one to browse and play the library by artist, album and track if you access it from the web. Why has this not been implemented in Squeezecenter? Thats a very good question, i have just been playing with Deezer site and it offers a lot more - in fact it's pretty much a cut down free version of Rhapsody/Napster. Are we going to see full functionality with the Squeezebox, or are there some kind of restrictions with the API or due to licensing etc? Don't get me wrong, i am very excited to see new services being supported, but unless we have full artist/album streaming it's kind of pointless. -- autopilot *Lounge :* Squeezebox Classic - Cambridge Audio Azur 640a - Mission 701's. *Bedroom :* Squeezebox Receiver - Trends TA10.1 Class-T - Kef Cresta 1's *Office :* Softsqueeze - Logitech Active 5.1's. *Kitchen :* Squeezebox Boom -coming soon- *Roaming : * Squeezebox Controller - Logitech mm28 portable speakers / Shure E2c's *Controllers :* Squeezebox Controller x 2 + Logitech Harmony one *Server :* SC7.3b (Vista 64) + AlienBBC, iPlayer MusicIP headless. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
autopilot;366743 Wrote: Yes, but the Sonos supports Napster - which is the same type of service, only a bit better and available in Europe (i dont understand is why Rhapsody dont do a UK service if Napster can). Sorry, should have made my point more clearly - indeed I was implicitly referring to the Napster service available to Sonos users. Tried to convince a couple of friends to get a slimdevices product, they ended up buying a Sonos. Pity, of course - we could have shared libraries over the net (not sure Sonos supports this). Giacomo -- gbruzzo http://www.last.fm/user/JackieBr/ gbruzzo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3633 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Volume control
Yes, but the ear responds logarithmically, so for each, change by say 10 Squeezebox volume steps I would want a the same relative change in loudness, say 10dB i.e. approximately a doubling. That's NOT what we've got. Specifically: going from 90 to 80 gives a ~3dB change, going from 20 to 10 gives a ~10dB change. Aside from the figures: do you not find this yourself: the changes are large at the quiet end, and small at the loud end? +---+ |Filename: sb_vol_chart.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6350| +---+ -- mooblie Martin at 'Headspin' (http://www.headspin.plus.com) mooblie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15378 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55863 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
Sorry, yes pointless was harsh actually, i wish i had not used that word in hindsight - it's not pointless and i am sure there will be existing Deezer users who will enjoy this, it will also introduce people to the Deezer service (i just signed up). But basically there is nothing to tempt me from Last.FM, which is much better. -- autopilot *Lounge :* Squeezebox Classic - Cambridge Audio Azur 640a - Mission 701's. *Bedroom :* Squeezebox Receiver - Trends TA10.1 Class-T - Kef Cresta 1's *Office :* Softsqueeze - Logitech Active 5.1's. *Kitchen :* Squeezebox Boom -coming soon- *Roaming : * Squeezebox Controller - Logitech mm28 portable speakers / Shure E2c's *Controllers :* Squeezebox Controller x 2 + Logitech Harmony one *Server :* SC7.3b (Vista 64) + AlienBBC, iPlayer MusicIP headless. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Stop The Monster cable Bullying
cliveb;365875 Wrote: I wonder if Monster Cable have considered the risk that they might one day pick on someone equally unscrupulous who decides the cheapest way to deal with the problem would be to put out a contract on Monster's CEO. LOL, Monster Loansharking. Breaking limbs since '95. You wanna piece of this? -- Mark Lanctot Current: SB2, Transporter, Boom (PQP3 - late beta) Stored: Boom (PQP1 - early beta), SBC (beta - no battery) Sold: SB3, Duet Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55787 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Artists not sorting
Do any of the tracks by those artists have ARTISTSORT (TSOP for mp3) tags set? -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55828 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem with Nokia 770 Skin
Yep, the Nokia 770 skin works fine from the regular browser (Internet Explorer). -- patherb2 patherb2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10303 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50525 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] First Post; Please Help
Mitch, you may not believe this but i had guessed you were not only a lawyer, but a steelers fan. call it a premonition. (i'm an eagles fan, 9 sacks btw, and a PSU guy as well) in any case... i have some possible bad news for you. itunes really is the devil. it sounds like you were able to defeat the DRM on it, and thats great, but there are at least two other related concerns i'd have with music from apple. the first is that the music you got from apple might have already been compressed, and i don't mean the file format. what i mean is who knows how apple masters the tracks b4 it makes them available for download? it wouldn't surprise me in the least if in an effort to make them louder, they compress them at the source, which is a headroom and bass killer. similarly, itunes itself applies changes to your local files. i'm not 100% on how it does it, if it uses innocuous replaygain tags, or something sinister like applying compression or actual gain changes / normalization to the file/music itself, but here again we see apple doing as it pleases. i'm not saying delete all your tunes, but considering your enthusiasm, i would consider getting the source CDs and making FLACs out of them. and if you like the Rolling Stones as an example, the 2002 remasters with 24bit sound blow away the original releases. its night and day. allmusic.com can help many times identifying which remasters sound best. (but this is a whole nother story, just wanted to clue you in) one thing i was curious about in your post, it seemed like you were saying that going duet analog z5500 was the way as opposed to duet digital z5500. is that correct? i do the same thing essentially, b/c the DAC in the SB is better than whats in my receiver. (btw, SBs have a slightly better DAC than the Duet, but i would never hear the difference. however, you should get a SB2 or SB3 just for the neat visualizations it does, like the EQ or VU meters, which i consider very retro 70s and fun) -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / SBC - w/SC 7.3b - Win XP Pro SP3 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55712 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
Did anybody, when they signed up, actually read the conditions of use? Or as Deezer puts it 'conditions d'utilisation'. I'm clicking on the link at the bottom of the registration form and all I get is a long essay in French to translate. Beats putting things in small print! -- Lesu Lesu's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15321 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Volume control
mooblie;366758 Wrote: With respect, I can't really agree with your analysis of perceived loudness or your conclusions. Using your numbers: going from 20 to 40 (twenty steps up) is about +8dB ... fine. Going from 40 to 60 (another twenty steps up) SHOULD be the same (+8dB). Why? 60 is not 2x40 it's 1.5x40, so a level of 60 should be one and a half times as loud as a level of 40. If I didn't know anything about perceived loudness and dB scales I'd assume that 0 is silent and 100 is loudest, thus 50 should be half as loud as maximum, which is around -10dB. Likewise 25 should be a quarter of maximum which is around -20dB. Clearly the numbers you've measured are indicating -8 and -16 rather than -10 and -20 but the relationship is the same. I actually think it -should- double in loudness for each, say, twenty steps Well you're welcome to want that, and what you propose would certainly achieve it, I'm just challenging your implied assertion that the current situation is wrong in some way. For a 0-100 scale with no displayed unit I think it makes perfect sense - the implication is that it's a linear scale from 0-100% of maximum perceived loudness. Aside from the figures: do you not find this yourself: the perceived volume changes are large at the quiet end, and small at the loud end? Sure, but I can't say it bothers me. And to be clear, I wouldn't object to it being changed, I can adjust to holding down the remote button a little longer or shorter time :) I just don't see any need to change it, as it's behaving is a completely logical manner to me. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55863 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
essay in French to translate. Beats putting things in small print! That's what happens to us non EN speakers all the time... -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] First Post; Please Help
And realize, once you have ONE duet, you can add additional receivers - either SBR (the receiver half of the duet) and use to Controller (SBC) from the duet to configure it. OR... you can get the Squeezebox Classic (aka SB3), which can be controlled with the original duet's controller or its own IR remote (or universal remote), AND it has display. (I just say this because your low price description includes $400 per location for Duet, but the SBR is $150, or a SB Classic is ~$250). Also, consider cleaning up your library... if you are sold on iTunes, work on ripping stuff to the Apple Lossless format, OR leave the Apple proprietary formats altogether and start transitioning to FLAC. Who knows, you might be able to get all those other systems to actually sound BETTER than the SBR/Z5500 combo! Good Luck! -- tcutting tcutting's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17402 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55712 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Volume control
Well, we'll have to agree to differ on this one. :-) -- mooblie Martin at 'Headspin' (http://www.headspin.plus.com) mooblie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15378 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55863 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Volume control
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:03 AM, mooblie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, we'll have to agree to differ on this one. :-) FWIW there was a significant change to the volume curve for SB2+ devices several years ago. You might want to search for the discussion of that change. As you've demonstrated, there's always going to be someone who would like the curve to be different. At this point in the product lifecycle, a change of any real substance would likely bring in a torrent of why did you change that?! and give me an option to switch back! or whatever. If the underlying volume curve logic were in the server then it could be altered by anyone, possibly through a plugin. As it stands it is a device firmware feature so we're somewhat limited. One feature that could be implemented would be to modify where the 1-11 scale in the web UI map to the 1-100 in the player UI. This has been requested before and I think it would be doable in software via a patch or a plugin. Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Volume control
Hmm. Thanks Ben - shame. OK: NOT so easily fixed then as I glibly suggested - I guess there's little appetite for firmware changes unless absolutely necessary? -- mooblie Martin at 'Headspin' (http://www.headspin.plus.com) mooblie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15378 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55863 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store
pippin;365884 Wrote: The volume slider is a bit problematic. Just saw a video of the sonos app and it seems to have the same issue. I'm not sure what you saw, but you're wrong. It worked just fine at release until iPhone 2.2 firmware was released and then it broke due to Apple changes. Sonos sent a fix to Apple on the next working day and this resolved the issue again. You can either drag the volume slider or move it incrementally up/down as required. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Remote streaming default bitrate
Thanks. I will give it a shot as soon as I get 7.3 running. -- lemmy999 lemmy999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55937 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
I'll try out Deezer once 7.3 comes out. One thing I was wondering... If I'm playing tracks through Deezer on my Squeezebox, will the track info get scrobbled back to last.fm? -- Trevor http://www.last.fm/user/trevkin Trevor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10977 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] First Post; Please Help
Mr. Sinatra: Thanks again for helping me. Yes, the Phil. Eagles got to Big Ben. No, the Eagles will not win the Super Bowl. It will be the Giants against the Steelers. Except for the punt over the goal post deal, Pgh. already beat up the Giants. It will be a good game. (I am not counting the Eagles out yet, but they did kick our butts now didn't they!) Your description about ITUNES' criminality explains a strange thing that happened when I ripped those tunes out of ITUNES and re-compressed them, uncompressed them, and then put them through some warmth. Now, those tunes are playing through the Duet and people are having sex 12 blocks away from here. The strange thing is this: You guys told me not to use MP3, so I used WAV at first. WAV is professional grade engineering. It is the standard. My father in law wrote about 200 famous rock and roll songs -- neat guy. He told me to do it. Forget the fact that the ripping took WAY TOO LONG AND it didn't carry the artwork with it. How about this: After it was done it sounded TERRIBLE. I couldn't understand. I ate my wheaties, I listened to my FIL, I talked to Steven Stills who is a friend of mine, I did it the right way. So, what happened? Then, you get these professionals who talk under their breath and you cannot understand what they said. Stills said if you are converting to WAV off of a defective file -- like the Apple stuff -- WAV will highlight the inadequacy. I said how's that? Stills then disappeared into a room and was playing his guitar in his guitar room and was no longer speaking for the day (a total maniac). So I was left with this sound bite from him that was what it was. I then talked to my FIL who recorded -- e.g., You Make Me So Very Happy -- and he said Steve is right, but don't give up on MP3 files because it is all about the conversion -- can you heat up the music again. Then, to use your logo, I had a Martini because I had no clue what these folks were speaking about. Now, from your post, it all makes sense. Apple is screwing with these files in other ways. That is why there was only one way that I could get the Audials One (Tunebite) to make the music sound correct. I had to use its fantastic Perfect Audio feature. What that does is the following: It rips Apple a part -- kind of like a mountain lion attacking a coyote -- but then it does it TWICE IN A ROW IN TWO DIFFERENT RAW FORMATS. Then, it automatically compares the two versions and it compares the versions to a database and marries them to come away with one song that is Perfect; hence Perfect Audio. It takes a little longer but I SUSPECT THEY HAD TO DEVELOP THAT TECHNOLOGY IN ORDER TO GET PEOPLE TO BUY THEIR PRODUCT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOW COMING OUT FROM APPLE'S LITTLE PET ROCK AND YOU NEED A REDUNDANT SYSTEM IN ORDER TO MAKE THE AUDIO COMPLETELY ORIGINAL AGAIN. I am positive you are right, Frank S., because this is the only explanation I have for the comments made by the two experts, because the WAV file sounded like a horse was running beside the recording, and because once I used Perfect Audio with MP3 I learned that MP3 is just fine IF IT IS RUN THROUGH ANALOG FIRST BEFORE IT GOES BACK TO DIGITAL, SOMETHING APPLE CANNOT DO! I think -- if you are correct -- we have the grounds for a massive class action lawsuit here. Apple sells that they are giving you the top and best of the best. Yet they might be giving you the worst of the worst. And they are not telling anybody. What's worse is that they are forcing you to marry their shitty ITUNES system, which leads to docking stations, sound systems and a digital whorehouse (Sonos does not work -- another story) even though all that could ruin a perfectly good $50,000 sound system. It is about DISCLOSURE. Why didn't they tell me this before I downloaded my library? What is unfair about that? How much downloading do you think me and the rest of us stupid idiots have spent downloading files from Apple? In answer to your question about analog versus digital on the back of the squeeze box, if you are using any sort of computer stereo (even the z5500 which is far away from it, but still has features of a computer stereo), then you are going TOTAL DIGITAL. TOTAL DIGITAL TAKES YOUR RIPPED, CLEANED UP, FILE AND PUTS IT BACK IN A BIGGER IPOD -- i.e., the digital source. The analog jacks on the back of the squeeze box was pure brilliance because it allows you to run it once through analog. Because this is all timed in 1.4 seconds, after you warm up the music again before it hits the Logitech (or any digital system), the digital system does not have time to re-compress and to re-screw-up the sound you've created. And then, it is taking that warm music and playing it back in perfect digital and thus there is no distortion! It is fire in a bottle. Logitech has really thought this through -- 24 bits . . . and fast! This is explained in Logitech's materials and it is completely logical -- but as you
Re: [slim] Volume control
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:18 AM, mooblie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm. Thanks Ben - shame. OK: NOT so easily fixed then as I glibly suggested - I guess there's little appetite for firmware changes unless absolutely necessary? I think a change like that is mostly a matter of priorities because a select few people have all three of: 1) the firmware source, 2) the expensive devkit, 3) the expertise to work in that embedded environment. Even then, there might not be room in the firmware to allow something like customizable volume curves, even if it were a highly-requested feature. Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] First Post; Please Help
BTW I already ordered the SB3. I know when to follow the leader. Tell you how that one goes. Thanks. At your convenience, please tell me if I should get the Transporter -- just because. Will it do anything for me other than look darn good? 80% chance I'm going back on the road and leaving my home. They are now laying odds and they are 6-5. :) Peace. -- Mitchell J. Stein Mitchell J. Stein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21520 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55712 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Volume control
hmmm... every volume control I've ever encountered has deployed a log response, since that is how perceived loudness/our ears work. If you think the volume adjustment is too coarse at low levels with a sensitive amp, just insert an analogue attenuator betwixt SB and amp. That's the standard fix for this problem in every other context. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55863 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] First Post; Please Help
tcutting;366779 Wrote: And realize, once you have ONE duet, you can add additional receivers - either SBR (the receiver half of the duet) and use to Controller (SBC) from the duet to configure it. OR... you can get the Squeezebox Classic (aka SB3), which can be controlled with the original duet's controller or its own IR remote (or universal remote), AND it has display. (I just say this because your low price description includes $400 per location for Duet, but the SBR is $150, or a SB Classic is ~$250). Also, consider cleaning up your library... if you are sold on iTunes, work on ripping stuff to the Apple Lossless format, OR leave the Apple proprietary formats altogether and start transitioning to FLAC. Who knows, you might be able to get all those other systems to actually sound BETTER than the SBR/Z5500 combo! Good Luck! tcutting: thanks. i didn't realize that. so (a) you are saying I can buy the classic squeeze box (that displays) and it will work with the new duet controller? (b) the universal remote will also work like the controller? (c) I am no longer sold on ITUNES -- in fact I am happy to be rid of them. but what is Apple Lossless or FLAC? What will FLAC do for me? These things sound interesting and will stir the pot even more. again, thank you for these recommendations. have you ever heard of a wannabee audiophile touting the z5500? what's the world coming to? its the age of the computer!! peace. mitch. -- Mitchell J. Stein Mitchell J. Stein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21520 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55712 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 96/24 Support for SqueezeBox 3
You did put this into convert.conf, didn't you? - the hashes comment out
the lines:
#mp3 mp3 transcode *
# IFB:{BITRATE=-B %B}D:{RESAMPLE=--resample %D}
# [lame] --silent -q $QUALITY$ -v $BITRATE$ $RESAMPLE$ --mp3input
$FILE$ -
this diables the MP3/Lame convert for non standard bit rates...
--
Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann
JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF
Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x
LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters,
Kimber Chord cables
Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...)
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Re: [slim] Wiki entry on various artists or Compilations
wnshall;366509 Wrote: Q: does the presence of a second trackartist on a single track cause an album to be identified as a compilation? For example, suppose on Album YYY, track one has track artist=AAA and track two has track artist = AAA; BBB (or track artist = AAA and track artist = BBB – is there a difference?). Will SC automatically treat this as a compilation? Depending on the rest of the scenario. In you case, it is a compilation. However, if every track has artist = AAA; BBB (or track artist = AAA and track artist = BBB, that's the same) then it won't be a compilation and it will be listed by both of them (by AAA, BBB) wnshall;366509 Wrote: Q: Does the presence of a tag COMPILATION=0 override the VA detection and force an album to not be identified as a compilation? (In which case, under what artist would it be listed?) This statement:unless there is an ALBUMARTIST tag present, in which case the full album will only appear under that artist seems to imply that the presence of an ALBUMARTIST tag effectively overrides the VA detection of SC and sets COMPILATION=0. This is an area where an interesting combination can arise. ALBUMARTIST overrides compilation detection, but it does not set COMPILATION tags. For the most part it is ok. However, it does have its flaws. For the following write up, please, differentiate between the tag and the role in SC (and bear with my language :) ) If there is an album artist and multiple artists, then those artists would be assigned a role of 'track artist'. That means they won't show in the artist list. Unfortunately, that also means that if somewhere else in your library, there is other album where that artist is main artist, those two won't see each other (you won't be able to link one to another either by clicking in the browser or drilling down in SB). For example (I must have already bored everyone with this example), album 'Genius and friends', where Ray Charles performs every track with somebody else, among others, Diana Krall. If you tag it with ALBUMARTIST=Ray Charles and every track with its respoective ARTIST, then those artists get the role of track artist and Diana Krall doesn't see her other albums, neither they see her in this one. Album is denoted 'by Ray Charles' and listed accordingly. Way I found to remedy that is to force COMPILATION=0 manually in such cases. Album will still be denoted by album artist, but artists will be assigned the role of artist rather than track artists. Consequently they all will appear among the artists in your library. Now, interesting situation arises if not all performers from that album are of interest to me and I don't want them among my other artists. I found out that setting COMPILATION tag to 0 for only those tracks with the artists that interest me, would assign to those artists role of artist, and everybody else on that album would still remain track artist. So far so god ,but ... If it's only Diana Krall that I want to make special on that album, then, its fine. However, if there is at least one more (but not all) and if I set COMPILATION=0 for them too, then they come out with the artist role properly assigned to them, but the whole album becomes the compilation. It is still denoted by the Albumartist (Ray Charles) but is stored on Various Artist page (in Artists context) So, I figured out, there are two COMPILATION entities, one for each track, the other for the album. COMPILATION for the track is a tag that can be understood as - this artist on this track should be assigned a role of artist or track artist. Then there is a COMPILATION for an album that is not a tag that you can set, but rather an indicator in the database (that one can manipulate), which determines whether the album is listed with individual artists or in Various Artist page. So, in my prior example, if I want to make special Dianna Krall and Willie Nelson, I can do that setting COMPILATION=0 on their track only. As a result, that album will still be 'by Ray Charles' but listed under Various Artists context. What I did to remedy that is to set up a script that is automatically invoked at the end of the scanner process that would manipulate compilation field on albums table in cases where there is an album artist for the album otherwise considered a compilation. Simply, make it non compilation. K -- slimkid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAj2aPdQnk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wUP07DVq9E http://youtube.com/watch?v=nlrpe8Ig5m8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dC9tGlwPln8 ATGATT: Because walking away in disgust beats riding away in an ambulance. slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55941 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store
jaffacake;366795 Wrote: I'm not sure what you saw, but you're wrong. It worked just fine at release until iPhone 2.2 firmware was released and then it broke due to Apple changes. Sonos sent a fix to Apple on the next working day and this resolved the issue again. You can either drag the volume slider or move it incrementally up/down as required. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qjFgc1uRRGk 1:40 or so. Looks pretty much the same as the iPeng issue. -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 96/24 Support for SqueezeBox 3
Phil Leigh;366822 Wrote:
You did put this into convert.conf, didn't you? - the hashes comment out
the lines:
#mp3 mp3 transcode *
# IFB:{BITRATE=-B %B}D:{RESAMPLE=--resample %D}
# [lame] --silent -q $QUALITY$ -v $BITRATE$ $RESAMPLE$ --mp3input
$FILE$ -
this diables the MP3/Lame convert for non standard bit rates...
Yes, the business bit of the file below:-
# specific combinations match before wildcards
mov mp3 * *
# FRB:{BITRATE=-B %B}
[mov123] $FILE$ | [lame] --resample 44100 --silent -q $QUALITY$
$RESAMPLE$-v $BITRATE$ -r --big-endian - -
alc mp3 * *
# FB:{BITRATE=-B %B}D:{RESAMPLE=--resample %D}
[alac] $FILE$ | [lame] --silent -q $QUALITY$ $RESAMPLE$ -v $BITRATE$ -
-
ogg mp3 * *
# IFB:{BITRATE=-B %B}D:{RESAMPLE=--resample %D}
[sox] -t ogg $FILE$ -t wav -w - | [lame] --silent -q $QUALITY$
$RESAMPLE$ -v $BITRATE$ - -
wav mp3 * *
# IFB:{BITRATE=-B %B}D:{RESAMPLE=--resample %D}
[lame] --silent -q $QUALITY$ $RESAMPLE$ -v $BITRATE$ $FILE$ -
aif mp3 * *
# IFB:{BITRATE=-B %B}D:{RESAMPLE=--resample %D}
[lame] --silent -q $QUALITY$ $RESAMPLE$ -v $BITRATE$ $FILE$ -
flc mp3 * *
# FB:{BITRATE=-B
%B}T:{START=--skip=%t}U:{END=--until=%v}D:{RESAMPLE=--resample %D}
[flac] -dcs $START$ $END$ -- $FILE$ | [lame] --silent -q $QUALITY$
$RESAMPLE$ -v $BITRATE$ - -
wma mp3 * *
# F:{PATH=%f}R:{PATH=%F}B:{BITRATE=-B %B}D:{RESAMPLE=--resample %D}
[wmadec] -w $PATH$ | [lame] --silent -q $QUALITY$ $RESAMPLE$ -v
$BITRATE$ - -
mpc mp3 * *
# IRB:{BITRATE=-B %B}D:{RESAMPLE=--resample %D}
[mppdec] --silent --prev --gain 3 - - | [lame] --silent -q $QUALITY$
$RESAMPLE$ -v $BITRATE$ - -
ape mp3 * *
# FB:{BITRATE=-B %B}D:{RESAMPLE=--resample %D}
[mac] $FILE$ - -d | [lame] --resample 44100 $-x$ --silent -q $QUALITY$
$RESAMPLE$ -v $BITRATE$ - -
wvp mp3 * *
# FB:{BITRATE=-B
%B}T:{START=--skip=%t}U:{END=--until=%v}D:{RESAMPLE=--resample %D}
[wvunpack] $FILE$ -wq $START$ $END$ -o - | [lame] --silent -q
$QUALITY$ $RESAMPLE$ -v $BITRATE$ - -
mp3 mp3 * *
-
# Non-mp3 starts here
aif aif * *
-
wav wav * *
-
flc wav * *
# FT:{START=--skip=%t}U:{END=--until=%v}
[flac] -dcs --force-raw-format --endian=little --sign=signed $START$
$END$ -- $FILE$
ogg ogg * *
-
ogg aif * *
[sox] -t ogg $FILE$ -t raw -r 44100 -c 2 -w -s $-x$ -
wma wav * *
# F:{PATH=%f}R:{PATH=%F}
[wmadec] -r 44100 -b 16 -n 2 $PATH$
mpc wav * *
# IR
[mppdec] --raw-le --silent --prev --gain 2 - -
ape wav * *
# F
[mac] $FILE$ - -d
mpc aif * *
# IR
[mppdec] --raw-be --silent --prev --gain 2 - -
alc wav * *
# F
[alac] -r $FILE$
wvp wav * *
# FT:{START=--skip=%t}U:{END=--until=%v}
[wvunpack] $FILE$ -rq $START$ $END$ -o -
## you can comment this out if you want to use LAME to transcode
AAC/MOV files to MP3.
mov aif * *
# FR
[mov123] $FILE$
wma wma * *
-
# FLAC output starts here
#mp3 flc * *
# [lame] --mp3input --decode -t --silent $FILE$ - | [flac] -cs
--totally-silent --compression-level-0 -
flc flc * *
-
aif flc * *
# FT:{START=--skip=%t}U:{END=--until=%v}
[flac] -cs --totally-silent --compression-level-0 $START$ $END$ --
$FILE$
wav flc * *
# FT:{START=--skip=%t}U:{END=--until=%v}
[flac] -cs --totally-silent --compression-level-0 $START$ $END$ --
$FILE$
ogg flc * *
# IFRD:{RESAMPLE=-r %d}
[sox] $RESAMPLE$ -t ogg $FILE$ -t wav - | [flac] -cs
--compression-level-0 --totally-silent -
wma flc * *
# F:{PATH=%f}R:{PATH=%F}
[wmadec] -w $PATH$ | [flac] -cs --totally-silent --compression-level-0
-
mpc flc * *
# IR
[mppdec] --silent --prev --gain 2 - - | [flac] -cs --totally-silent
--compression-level-0 -
ape flc * *
# F
[mac] $FILE$ - -d | [flac] -cs --totally-silent --compression-level-0
-
mov flc * *
# FR
[mov123] $FILE$ | [flac] -cs --totally-silent --compression-level-0
--endian big --sign signed --channels 2 --bps 16 --sample-rate 44100 -
alc flc * *
# F
[alac] $FILE$ | [flac] -cs --totally-silent --compression-level-0 -
wvp flc * *
# FT:{START=--skip=%t}U:{END=--until=%v}
[wvunpack] $FILE$ -wq $START$ $END$ -o - | [flac] -cs --totally-silent
--compression-level-0 -
# special case for smart bitrates on mp3 input
#mp3 mp3 transcode *
# IFB:{BITRATE=-B %B}D:{RESAMPLE=--resample %D}
# [lame] --silent -q $QUALITY$ -v $BITRATE$ $RESAMPLE$ --mp3input
$FILE$ -
flc flc transcode *
# FT:{START=--skip=%t}U:{END=--until=%v}D:{RESAMPLE=-r %d}
[flac] -dcs $START$ $END$ -- $FILE$ | [sox] -t wav - -t flac $RESAMPLE$
# This example transcodes MP3s to MP3s, if the target machine has the
# given MAC address. This rule will take precedence over the
# previous
Re: [slim] Love My Squeezebox! What's The Equivalent For Video?
Anyone in the community using a Neuros OSD? I'd like to hear your comments about it. Thanks... http://wiki.neurostechnology.com/index.php/Neuros_OSD http://www.neurostechnology.com/ -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40689 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wiki entry on various artists or Compilations
While investigating SC's handling of compilations I found the following quirky behavior. I have an album where every track has ARTIST=Various Artists and COMPILATION is not set. I set group compilations on the settings page. When I browse to Genre or Artists I see Various Artists at the top which contains all compilation albums. As expected, this album does *not* appear here. (Well, maybe you wish it would, but from what I understand of how SC handles compilations, I don't expect it to show up.) There is also an artists entry under V called Various Artists, where I would have expected to find this album, but it doesn't appear. I noticed that the html query for the link to this Various Artists contains album.compilation=1, which would seem to indicate that it's only asking for albums with artist=Various Artists *and* compilation set. (The special Various Artists item at the top of the artist list also contains album.compilation=1.) This behavior doesn't seem correct to me: the VA item at the top is the special one for compilations, the VA under v in the artist list should probably be for albums where the artist is VA, but aren't compilations, or else maybe should be omitted. The quirky part is that if you set an alternate name for compilations instead of the default Various Artists (I used Compilations) then you find an item at the top of the artist list called Compilations which correctly holds all compilations and you find an item called Various Artists under v in the artist list that does not contain album.compilation=1, and so correctly displays albums with artist=Various Artists but aren't compilations. (I didn't check what would happen if there were an album tagged with ARTIST=compilation.) Essentially, the Various Artists item under v in the artist list is acting as a subset of the albums appearing in the Various Artists item at the top of the artist list. Does this seem like the right behavior? -s -- wnshall wnshall's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5886 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55941 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Volume control
It IS supposed to be pretty regular steps: 0.5 dB/step for SB2, and for Boom, 1.5 dB/step at volumes 1-25, and 0.5 dB/step above that. Here's the SB2/SB3/Classic source code: http://svn.slimdevices.com/7.3/trunk/server/Slim/Player/Squeezebox2.pm?revision=24173view=markup Here's the Boom source code: http://svn.slimdevices.com/7.3/trunk/server/Slim/Player/Boom.pm?revision=23831view=markup The main source code is in the Squeezebox2 file -- the Boom code inherits that and merely redefines the volume-to-dB mapping. When you look at the output, they're sending similar fixed values for similar dB settings -- SB2's volume 1 is -49.01 dB, which maps to firmware fixed volume step 232; Boom volume 17 is nearly the same, -48.84 dB, firmware step 237. Both send the the max step value, 65536, at volume 100/0 dB, and 61952 at volume 99, ~-0.5 dB. Below is the map of volume levels to supposed dB gain. If you're not measuring something like this from your Squeezebox outputs with appropriate test material (0 dB white noise??) and equipment, please file a ticket at bugs.slimdevices.com. And feel free to make (and share!) a patch that resolves the issue if you can map firmware fixed volume levels to dB better than the current code. Oh, it also looks like a plugin should be able to get the current volume attenuation in dB programatically, by using $client-getVolumeParameters() $client-getVolume(); Code: 1 = -49.01 (SB2) -72.52 (Boom) 2 = -48.51 (SB2) -71.04 (Boom) 3 = -48.02 (SB2) -69.56 (Boom) 4 = -47.52 (SB2) -68.08 (Boom) 5 = -47.03 (SB2) -66.60 (Boom) 6 = -46.53 (SB2) -65.12 (Boom) 7 = -46.04 (SB2) -63.64 (Boom) 8 = -45.54 (SB2) -62.16 (Boom) 9 = -45.05 (SB2) -60.68 (Boom) 10 = -44.55 (SB2) -59.20 (Boom) 11 = -44.06 (SB2) -57.72 (Boom) 12 = -43.56 (SB2) -56.24 (Boom) 13 = -43.07 (SB2) -54.76 (Boom) 14 = -42.57 (SB2) -53.28 (Boom) 15 = -42.08 (SB2) -51.80 (Boom) 16 = -41.58 (SB2) -50.32 (Boom) 17 = -41.09 (SB2) -48.84 (Boom) 18 = -40.59 (SB2) -47.36 (Boom) 19 = -40.10 (SB2) -45.88 (Boom) 20 = -39.60 (SB2) -44.40 (Boom) 21 = -39.11 (SB2) -42.92 (Boom) 22 = -38.61 (SB2) -41.44 (Boom) 23 = -38.12 (SB2) -39.96 (Boom) 24 = -37.62 (SB2) -38.48 (Boom) 25 = -37.13 (SB2) -37.00 (Boom) 26 = -36.63 (SB2) -36.51 (Boom) 27 = -36.14 (SB2) -36.01 (Boom) 28 = -35.64 (SB2) -35.52 (Boom) 29 = -35.15 (SB2) -35.03 (Boom) 30 = -34.65 (SB2) -34.53 (Boom) 31 = -34.16 (SB2) -34.04 (Boom) 32 = -33.66 (SB2) -33.55 (Boom) 33 = -33.17 (SB2) -33.05 (Boom) 34 = -32.67 (SB2) -32.56 (Boom) 35 = -32.18 (SB2) -32.07 (Boom) 36 = -31.68 (SB2) -31.57 (Boom) 37 = -31.19 (SB2) -31.08 (Boom) 38 = -30.69 (SB2) -30.59 (Boom) 39 = -30.20 (SB2) -30.09 (Boom) 40 = -29.70 (SB2) -29.60 (Boom) 41 = -29.21 (SB2) -29.11 (Boom) 42 = -28.71 (SB2) -28.61 (Boom) 43 = -28.22 (SB2) -28.12 (Boom) 44 = -27.72 (SB2) -27.63 (Boom) 45 = -27.23 (SB2) -27.13 (Boom) 46 = -26.73 (SB2) -26.64 (Boom) 47 = -26.24 (SB2) -26.15 (Boom) 48 = -25.74 (SB2) -25.65 (Boom) 49 = -25.25 (SB2) -25.16 (Boom) 50 = -24.75 (SB2) -24.67 (Boom) 51 = -24.26 (SB2) -24.17 (Boom) 52 = -23.76 (SB2) -23.68 (Boom) 53 = -23.27 (SB2) -23.19 (Boom) 54 = -22.77 (SB2) -22.69 (Boom) 55 = -22.28 (SB2) -22.20 (Boom) 56 = -21.78 (SB2) -21.71 (Boom) 57 = -21.29 (SB2) -21.21 (Boom) 58 = -20.79 (SB2) -20.72 (Boom) 59 = -20.30 (SB2) -20.23 (Boom) 60 = -19.80 (SB2) -19.73 (Boom) 61 = -19.31 (SB2) -19.24 (Boom) 62 = -18.81 (SB2) -18.75 (Boom) 63 = -18.32 (SB2) -18.25 (Boom) 64 = -17.82 (SB2) -17.76 (Boom) 65 = -17.33 (SB2) -17.27 (Boom) 66 = -16.83 (SB2) -16.77 (Boom) 67 = -16.34 (SB2) -16.28 (Boom) 68 = -15.84 (SB2) -15.79 (Boom) 69 = -15.35 (SB2) -15.29 (Boom) 70 = -14.85 (SB2) -14.80 (Boom) 71 = -14.36 (SB2) -14.31 (Boom) 72 = -13.86 (SB2) -13.81 (Boom) 73 = -13.37 (SB2) -13.32 (Boom) 74 = -12.87 (SB2) -12.83 (Boom) 75 = -12.38 (SB2) -12.33 (Boom) 76 = -11.88 (SB2) -11.84 (Boom) 77 = -11.39 (SB2) -11.35 (Boom) 78 = -10.89 (SB2) -10.85 (Boom) 79 = -10.40 (SB2) -10.36 (Boom) 80 = -9.90 (SB2) -9.87 (Boom) 81 = -9.41 (SB2) -9.37 (Boom) 82 = -8.91 (SB2) -8.88 (Boom) 83 = -8.42 (SB2) -8.39 (Boom) 84 = -7.92 (SB2) -7.89 (Boom) 85 = -7.43 (SB2) -7.40 (Boom) 86 = -6.93 (SB2) -6.91 (Boom) 87 = -6.44 (SB2) -6.41 (Boom) 88 = -5.94 (SB2) -5.92 (Boom) 89 = -5.45 (SB2) -5.43 (Boom) 90 = -4.95 (SB2) -4.93 (Boom) 91 = -4.46 (SB2) -4.44 (Boom) 92 = -3.96 (SB2) -3.95 (Boom) 93 = -3.47 (SB2) -3.45 (Boom) 94 = -2.97 (SB2) -2.96 (Boom) 95 = -2.48 (SB2) -2.47 (Boom) 96 = -1.98 (SB2) -1.97 (Boom) 97 = -1.49 (SB2) -1.48 (Boom) 98 = -0.99 (SB2) -0.99 (Boom) 99 = -0.50 (SB2) -0.49 (Boom) 100 = 0.00 (SB2) 0.00 (Boom) -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ free plugins: http://www.tux.org/~peterw/#slim AllQuiet BlankSaver ContextMenu FuzzyTime KitchenTimer PlayLog
Re: [slim] Wiki entry on various artists or Compilations
i submitted a bug for that. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9523 some other important bugs around these issues: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9938 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9872 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9870 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8324 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8004 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8001 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7698 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6658 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6629 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6490 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6208 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6189 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5108 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4754 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4624 and i am sure many more... hopefully the new schema sorts out a lot of these issues, and therefore it might be wise to just do a basic wiki, and really get involved post new schema. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / SBC - w/SC 7.3b - Win XP Pro SP3 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55941 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
Trevor;366807 Wrote: I'll try out Deezer once 7.3 comes out. One thing I was wondering... If I'm playing tracks through Deezer on my Squeezebox, will the track info get scrobbled back to last.fm? Mine isn't - there's an option somewhere to set whether internet radio tracks get scrobbled, I seem to remember setting mine to No. -- AndyWright AndyWright's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2241 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Artists not sorting
I am using FLAC OGG Files, using easytag on FLAC files shows no ARTISTSORT TAG -- Vulcanbomber Vulcanbomber's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3249 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55828 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Volume control
In that case, Peter, it's a bug. I've plotted the measured output (blue), compared to your theoretical figures (red) below. Your theoretical figures are exactly what I'd suspected and hoped for - perfectly linear (on a log/lin scale) with 0.5dB per volume step. +---+ |Filename: sb_measured_theory.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6351| +---+ -- mooblie Martin at 'Headspin' (http://www.headspin.plus.com) mooblie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15378 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55863 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store
pippin;366837 Wrote: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qjFgc1uRRGk 1:40 or so. Looks pretty much the same as the iPeng issue. Yep, if I use my left index finger like this guy did I can get the volume control to work almost 100% of the time. Or if I tilt my right index finger to the left. It's strange how that is. -- ch1525 ch1525's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 96/24 Support for SqueezeBox 3
You need a - after that $RESAMPLE$
# special case for smart bitrates on mp3 input
mp3 mp3 transcode *
# IFB:{BITRATE=-B %B}D:{RESAMPLE=--resample %D}
[lame] --silent -q $QUALITY$ -v $BITRATE$ $RESAMPLE$ --mp3input
$FILE$ -
flc flc transcode *
# FT:{START=--skip=%t}U:{END=--until=%v}D:{RESAMPLE=-r %d}
[flac] -dcs $START$ $END$ -- $FILE$ | [sox] -t wav - -t flac
$RESAMPLE$ -
# This example transcodes MP3s to MP3s, if the target machine has the
# given MAC address. This rule will take precedence over the
# previous rule because it's more specific.
#mp3 mp3 squeezebox 00:02:dd:34:e9:62
# ./brute_filter $FILE$ -
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Re: [slim] Volume control
Phil Leigh;366816 Wrote: hmmm... every volume control I've ever encountered has deployed a log response, since that is how perceived loudness/our ears work. Agreed. That's my understanding - but the SB2 (erroneously) doesn't currently have a log response. Phil Leigh;366816 Wrote: If you think the volume adjustment is too coarse at low levels with a sensitive amp, just insert an analogue attenuator betwixt SB and amp. That's the standard fix for this problem in every other context. Agreed too. This need for an attenuator is what alerted me to this incorrect characteristic in the first place. -- mooblie Martin at 'HeadSpin' (http://www.headspin.plus.com) mooblie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15378 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55863 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store
ch1525;366869 Wrote: Yep, if I use my left index finger like this guy did I can get the volume control to work almost 100% of the time. Or if I tilt my right index finger to the left. It's strange how that is. I think it has to do with the capacitive touch detection. You can see it go awry when the fingers that hold the iPhone (not the one you use to touch it) very close to the edged of the screen. Or just have your headphone wire running across the screen. It generally seems to be less sensitive towards the edged of the device. -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
So what the deal with this Deezer then? i have never seen it before now. But at first glance this seems to just be like lastFM's similar artists radio feature. Am i missing something? I tried it in SC 7.3 this morning. The integration works quite nicely. However, I was disappointed with the Deezer service itself. There's not a wide range of choice in the provided radio stations. I searched for Pink Floyd and played the smart radio. The first track played was Pink Floyd, but soon after it jumped to Guns'N'Roses! A few tracks later it played another G'N'R song, and then again after that. I looked at the related artists. This revealed a small list of 10 artists - not a massive set of similar artists; missing quite a few obvious choices I'd expect to see. However, I searched for other artists, and got 10 similar artists back each time, so perhaps this is a limit imposed via the SC plugin or the Deezer API? Searching again for the same artist returned the same 10 hits. I've had much better experience with Last.fm. Phil ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
Philip Meyer;366881 Wrote: I've had much better experience with Last.fm. Me too. But the artwork is better on Deezer :-) -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
Philip Meyer;366881 Wrote: I tried it in SC 7.3 this morning. The integration works quite nicely. I've installed the latest 7.3 and don't see it at all. Did you have to do something to enable it? -- twynne twynne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1326 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
twynne;366885 Wrote: I've installed the latest 7.3 and don't see it at all. Did you have to do something to enable it? No. I definitely didn't do anything. Where are you? -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
pippin;366887 Wrote: No. I definitely didn't do anything. Where are you? UK. It is supposed to be under Music Services correct? -- twynne twynne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1326 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wiki entry on various artists or Compilations
There is only a concept of a compilation album, not compilation tracks. It's the combination of songs on an album that defines if an album is a compilation or not. Tags are always entered against songs (obviously!). Any compilation tags on songs refer to the album, not the song, and similarly album artist tags really refer to the album, not the song. It does not make sense to have differing values for compilation or album artist tags for songs on an album. An album is either a compilation or not. Perhaps I don't quite understand, but if you want track artists to appear in the Browse Artists list, then isn't the solution to select List compilation albums under each artist instead of Group compilation songs together? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wiki entry on various artists or Compilations
Essentially, the Various Artists item under v in the artist list is acting as a subset of the albums appearing in the Various Artists item at the top of the artist list. Does this seem like the right behavior? Yes, it sounds correct to me. The Various Artists special SC artist appears under V and at the top of the list. Both are identical entries, and are configured to display compilation albums. It is not correct to enter an artist of Various Artists, that doesn't automatically denote that the album is a compilation; if all artists on an album are set to Various Artists, the album is not a compilation, and thus is not displayed under the Various Artists album. If you change the special name that is used for displaying compilation albums under, then your Various Artists artist that does not contain various artist albums will display the albums by the artist called Various Artists. If you were to set COMPILATION=1 on all songs, then it would be listed under Various Artists without changing the special name to Compilations. Better still, tag the songs correctly to say who performs on each song, and it would automatically be listed correctly. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
UK. It is supposed to be under Music Services correct? Yes. You probably need to create an account and add it into SqueezeNetwork before the service is visible. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
twynne;366889 Wrote: UK. It is supposed to be under Music Services correct? Yes. But only with today's 7.3 build. -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Deezer - Certain SC version required?
pippin;366898 Wrote: Yes. But only with today's 7.3 build. I'm running 24192, downloaded this morning. -- twynne twynne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1326 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55931 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 96/24 Support for SqueezeBox 3
Thanks for the suggestion Patrick, but no joy - it's still doing its 320kbps lame coversion. MS -- MadScientist MadScientist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55371 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wiki entry on various artists or Compilations
Philip Meyer;366905 Wrote: Essentially, the Various Artists item under v in the artist list is acting as a subset of the albums appearing in the Various Artists item at the top of the artist list. Does this seem like the right behavior? Yes, it sounds correct to me. The Various Artists special SC artist appears under V and at the top of the list. Both are identical entries, and are configured to display compilation albums. But they are not identical. The Various Artists that appears under V only contains compilations that *also* have artist=Various Artists. In my test case several compilation albums (eg with different track artists) did appear under the first VA item but did not appear under the VA item at V. It would be perfectly reasonable if both VA items behaved the same, as you described, or SC could just omit the listing of VA at V. Or, maybe it would be useful to list at V any albums that had ARTIST=Various Artists. These are not identified by SC as compilations (unless they have the COMPILATION=1) and actually will be invisible in the artist list with the current behavior (which excludes from the VA item at V any non-compilations.) It's true, as you said, that tagging an album with ARTIST=Various Artists doesn't make it a compilation. On the other hand, people do tag this way sometimes and it might be nice if they showed up *somewhere* in the artist list (of course, they'll appear in album lists.) Better still, tag the songs correctly to say who performs on each song, and it would automatically be listed correctly. As always, this is the best advice. -- wnshall wnshall's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5886 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55941 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wiki entry on various artists or Compilations
Philip Meyer;366894 Wrote: There is only a concept of a compilation album, not compilation tracks. It's the combination of songs on an album that defines if an album is a compilation or not. Tags are always entered against songs (obviously!). Any compilation tags on songs refer to the album, not the song, and similarly album artist tags really refer to the album, not the song. It does not make sense to have differing values for compilation or album artist tags for songs on an album. An album is either a compilation or not. Perhaps I don't quite understand, but if you want track artists to appear in the Browse Artists list, then isn't the solution to select List compilation albums under each artist instead of Group compilation songs together? The problem is that using ALBUMARTIST tag sort of puts track artist in the back row. Manipulating COMPILATION tags on particular tracks resolves it. It has nothing to do with the concept of compilation album or any other concept. It just works and, if I'm not mistaken, that is what the OP wants to know. K -- slimkid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAj2aPdQnk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wUP07DVq9E http://youtube.com/watch?v=nlrpe8Ig5m8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dC9tGlwPln8 ATGATT: Because walking away in disgust beats riding away in an ambulance. slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55941 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Love My Squeezebox! What's The Equivalent For Video?
jaysung;246287 Wrote: Anyone tried the Eva 8000 of Netgear? From what I read it has good interfaces and plays videos and stuff just using smb/cifs indexing the library itself. That looks like a good solution if you already have a server box sitting somewhere remote. I have 2 of these and was on the beta forum, they did tonnes on the firmware over the last year and it plays loads of formats. The updates dried up about 2 months ago because the EVA9000 is coming out. I have high hopes for this machine when it comes to market. I have attached a jpeg with the formats it states it can do. Basically, the shortfall of the 8000 is that the memory was too small and the processor too slow. This should improve that situation as it updates the tech. Hope this helps +---+ |Filename: 9463-netgeardeefilesupport.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6352| +---+ -- SoftPhill SoftPhill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13979 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40689 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wiki entry on various artists or Compilations
But they are not identical. The Various Artists that appears under V only contains compilations that *also* have artist=Various Artists. In my test case several compilation albums (eg with different track artists) did appear under the first VA item but did not appear under the VA item at V. Ah, I think I was mistaken. I went to Browse Artists V section, and Various Artists was listed for me at the top. However, the Various Artists entry is the special one that appears at the top of any Browse Artists page. i.e. I don't have two Various Artists, just the specil Various Artists that is listed on every page. Compilations are listed under the special Various Artists entry. If you have compilation albums that also have an album artist, they are listed under both Various Artists (because it's still a compilation album), and under the album artist name. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Volume control
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Ben Sandee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the underlying volume curve logic were in the server then it could be altered by anyone, possibly through a plugin. As it stands it is a device firmware feature so we're somewhat limited. One feature that could be implemented would be to modify where the 1-11 scale in the web UI map to the 1-100 in the player UI. This has been requested before and I think it would be doable in software via a patch or a plugin. Mea culpa, everything I wrote above is just wrong. It may have been right at one time but happily it no longer is. Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Artists not sorting
All my files are .flac and I also use Easytag which shows the tag as being FLAC Vorbis. As far as I know there is no ARTISTSORT tag. -- Croz Croz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55828 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wiki entry on various artists or Compilations
The problem is that using ALBUMARTIST tag sort of puts track artist in the back row. Manipulating COMPILATION tags on particular tracks resolves it. It has nothing to do with the concept of compilation album or any other concept. It just works and, if I'm not mistaken, that is what the OP wants to know. That's right - compilation albums or albums with album artists will have track artists instead of artist roles. SC only lists artists that have artist role, and not track role, unless List compilation albums under each artist is selected. So you can browse a list of all artists, or only artists with albums, but not a mixture, without manipulating the database content manually. Messing about with the content of the DB manually isn't a great idea! Perhaps an alternative solution to your situation would be to add Diana Krall as an additional album artist for that one track (I haven't tried this, but I think in theory this would make both album artists browseable, and other track artists would not appear browsable). The original question was: Q: Does the presence of a tag COMPILATION=0 override the VA detection and force an album to not be identified as a compilation? (In which case, under what artist would it be listed?) Setting COMPILATION=0 does override VA detection; such that the album will not be a compilation, but instead be several albums, and each contributing artist will take a normal artist role, and thus each will always appear under the Browse Artist link. But that is unlikely to be what anyone wants, unless two albums have incorrectly been joined together (The Greatest Hits problem). ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wiki entry on various artists or Compilations
Philip Meyer;366946 Wrote: ... Messing about with the content of the DB manually isn't a great idea! Perhaps an alternative solution to your situation would be to add Diana Krall as an additional album artist for that one track (I haven't tried this, but I think in theory this would make both album artists browseable, and other track artists would not appear browsable). . Philip, if you get back and re read the example I have presented, you'd see that I already have Diana Krall as an artist of her solo albums. She does appear in a list of artist with or without Ray Charles' album. The problem is that Dian Krall who sings on a track with Ray Charles doesn't 'see' Diana Krall solo artist. They have different roles (artist and track artist) and those roles don't lead to each other in browser links or drilling down in SB. So, all my exercise with the Compilation tags has a purpose to enable that, to equalize track artist and artist in visibility to each other, that is. Actually, there is even inconsistency in this behavior (if COMPILATION is not set). Track artist can't see artist. Artist can see track artist but only on the first level of browsing. If you keep drilling down or follow the artist link further from the first level, then track artist's albums also disappear. I understand that it might not make sense to you, but that is how it works, and that is how I use it to achieve desired behavior. If you have more elegant solution that achieves the same, I'm all ears (but please, try to understand the problem before reacting) K -- slimkid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAj2aPdQnk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wUP07DVq9E http://youtube.com/watch?v=nlrpe8Ig5m8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dC9tGlwPln8 ATGATT: Because walking away in disgust beats riding away in an ambulance. slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55941 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wiki entry on various artists or Compilations
Actually, there is even inconsistency in this behavior (if COMPILATION is not set). Track artist can't see artist. Artist can see track artist but only on the first level of browsing. If you keep drilling down or follow the artist link further from the first level, then track artist's albums also disappear. I understand that it might not make sense to you, but that is how it works, and that is how I use it to achieve desired behavior. If you have more elegant solution that achieves the same, I'm all ears (but please, try to understand the problem before reacting) Your example wasn't clear to me initially, but I think I understand what you mean by Track artist can't see artist now, following your second example of compilation album track artists. I think in actual fact, I raised a bug similar to this a while back myself. See if this makes sense to you, and whether you think it's the same issue: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7836 Essentially, when clicking on an artist link, I'd expect to always see all albums by that aritst, not just the albums where the artist appears with the contributing role selected. eg. If you click a track artist, you only see other albums that contain that artist as a track artist (and not as an artist, album artist, band, composer or conductor). ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wiki entry on various artists or Compilations
Philip Meyer;366946 Wrote: Perhaps an alternative solution to your situation would be to add Diana Krall as an additional album artist for that one track No, you'd need to make Diana Krall the album artist for all tracks on the album. I run into this problem all the time in my collection and it's pretty easy to fix this way. As far as I'm concerned it's not a problem in SqueezeCenter, which simply doesn't have enough information to work with until you do this. The downside is that ALBUMARTISTSORT is currently unsupported, so unless you have another track in your collection with both ARTIST and ARTISTSORT (but NOT ALBUMARTIST) defined for the particular artist, it will sort wrong. Argh. -- CatBus CatBus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55941 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] virgin radio podcasts
Hi I've had a duet system for several months and am trying to setup a podcast. I want to add a (non bbc) podcast from Absolute radio (aka virgin radio) of the Geoff show. (link http://www.absoluteradio.co.uk/djs_shows/shows/geoff/podcast.html) There is a page on there website for RSS feed etc. However, I can't seem to make this available on my duet controller. I have copying and tried pasting the RSS url into the podcasts tab in squeezecentre but it won't produce a podcast in the -EXTRAS-PODCASTS- on my remote. It does create an empty folder there with the shows name. Has anyone successfully used Absolute radio PODCASTS on there duet? Many thanks in advance, -- flyingfrog76 flyingfrog76's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55982 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Classical tagging - an idea...
Hi all, I've been tagging a whole load of classical music recently and couldn't help but feel that it could be a whole lot easier. I've got the initial rumblings of an idea for a classical music version of FreeDB and have done a bit of a braindump here: http://projects.robinbowes.com/classitag It's a wiki, and I *think* I've enabled public editing, so feel free to add any thoughts/ideas you might have and I'll see if I can get something knocked up. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter/SB3 Display Life
My listening room Squeezebox is used very lightly (only for serious listening - never just left on in the background - so that equates to maybe 3-5 hours a week max). I can see the burn-out from the analogue VU meters on the display - not in general use, but when the whole display alights such as when pressing the volume control when it's set at MAX. It's less than two years old and has never displayed a turned off screensaver. I'll be placing a warranty claim when I get around to it. -- amey01 amey01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11274 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55942 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter/SB3 Display Life
I keep our displays on our SB3s off when turned off, and in a pitch black room, you can still see the filaments glowing a gentle orange. So I think unless you pull the power plug, the VFDs will continue to burn. But I prefer the electronic stability of leaving the circuits powered 24/7. FWIW, I've other VFDs that are approaching 20 years old, and they still work just fine. -- sgmlaw sgmlaw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13995 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55942 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Love My Squeezebox! What's The Equivalent For Video?
The MediaMVP running GBPVR costs next to nothing (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116008Tpk=mediamvp)(GBPVR is FREE) and can play standard resolution video over LAN with no problems whatsoever. With a decent tuner/capture card, you've got a solid PVR. The trick is having a strong server system. I run ours through a modulator into our TV distribution system. With an RF remote kit (http://www.nextgenerationhomeproducts.com/), we have a private HDD-based video library that you access and watch on every TV in the house over Ch 123. -- sgmlaw sgmlaw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13995 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40689 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wiki entry on various artists or Compilations
Philip Meyer;366962 Wrote: ... Essentially, when clicking on an artist link, I'd expect to always see all albums by that aritst, not just the albums where the artist appears with the contributing role selected. ... Yes, I think you are right there. Interestingly enough, right now there's a thread going on where people consider a bug the fact that when artist has artist role in one album and composer role in other, then both albums are visible from that artist regardless of 'include composers in artists' check box. So, SC will make roles of composer and artist 'see' each other, but not artist and track artist. Go figure. K -- slimkid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAj2aPdQnk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wUP07DVq9E http://youtube.com/watch?v=nlrpe8Ig5m8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dC9tGlwPln8 ATGATT: Because walking away in disgust beats riding away in an ambulance. slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55941 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
