Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player Voted for less than $500, because I'd love to see the system keep on living (and growing). But since I recently bought a Touch and a Radio as spares (for my Touch and 2 Radios in use), buying a new box wouldn't happen soon -- unless its features convince me to replace the existing devices. reinholdk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36070 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?
moos_man wrote: Hey Guys, I would like to understand how big/active/passionate the Squeeze community really is at this point, and how much real interest there is in keeping things going, and growing, int the future. I'm not talking about keeping this on life support (as per now), but in terms of new products and restoring the commitment to quality music playback - think transporter on steroids and other cool products. I'm seriously thinking about making an offer to Logitech for the rights, so would appreciate considered feedback. Cheers, Moos Man Moos Man, This is a great idea to think about. I would may be add few other questions to this in order to see the future. The community is the place where owners of already purchased devices are and might be not your future first customers. The real question is where the market is? And who are your future customers? Some years back SlimDevices had technology advantages and unique opportunity, but is it still true today? This forum is full of discussions and comparisons and as you can find out - many alternatives are available now from companies like e.g. Sonos, Philips and of course Apple. All of them have great set of alternatives and all of them are easy to use out of the box, what was a bit different for SlimDevices. Logitech is pursuing two monetization streams: devices sales and content usage based - this is a major reason why all new devices are connected to Logitech servers. Content usage based model is not new and already well developed by e.g. Apple, followed by Google, Amazon, Sony and many others (with different success rate !). Logitec has made clear decision to move to easy-to-use and no knowledge required segment this is a volume strategy most likely with low cost of the product to maximize the profit. It is what Logitech is good at with ability to keep great quality standards - typing on Logitech Keyboard and using Logitech mouse ;-) What business model and monetization are you going to follow? Is it a device sales? Would you be able to generate enough revenue to keep network infrastructure up and running? Would you go for advanced enthusiast community approach? How many competitors are there already? As the food for thoughts: e.g. companies like Denon, Onkyo and many others have Network radio in their offering and rely mainly on device sales leaving network/traffic related monetization aside receiving only small royalty (guess based on indirect information) from content providers like Spotify in case user has paid subscription. AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96371 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player moos_man wrote: It seems to me that one of the brilliant things about the original Slim product was very nice integration - it was not a bunch of DIY assembly boards for hackers, but a really neat little box with a very high wife/girlfriend acceptance factor. That is a fair point, and certainly there would need to be such a turnkey device available. Vortexbox is a good example of how this could end up working. They offer for free download a pre-built server. It's really simple to take pretty much any old PC you have lying around and install Vortexbox. Or if you want to buy a ready-built device, you can buy a Vortexbox Appliance. For a player, I envisage a downloadable Raspberry Pi boot image pre-configured to run Squeezeplay/whatever that someone can just stick on a SD card and plug into a Pi. Control would be via the server web interface and/or iPeng/etc. And for those who just want to buy a working device, an enterprising company could sell pre-built RaspberrySqueeze Appliances. But let's face facts: there will never be mass market appeal for this. Nobody is going to make their fortune doing it. And regarding the online services (which I admit that I never use): let's be realistic and admit that this side of the ecosystem cannot continue without the support of a major player. Who else will be able to cope with the hassle and cost of negotiating with the likes of Pandora/Spotify/whoever. And who's going to pay to run the central servers? Strikes me that the correct way forward is to develop Squeezebox Server plugins to support online streaming services and return the ecosystem to its original vision, where the user must run a local server. cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player cliveb wrote: That is a fair point, and certainly there would need to be such a turnkey device available. Vortexbox is a good example of how this could end up working. They offer for free download a pre-built server. It's really simple to take pretty much any old PC you have lying around and install Vortexbox. Or if you want to buy a ready-built device, you can buy a Vortexbox Appliance. For a player, I envisage a downloadable Raspberry Pi boot image pre-configured to run Squeezeplay/whatever that someone can just stick on a SD card and plug into a Pi. Control would be via the server web interface and/or iPeng/etc. And for those who just want to buy a working device, an enterprising company could sell pre-built RaspberrySqueeze Appliances. But let's face facts: there will never be mass market appeal for this. Nobody is going to make their fortune doing it. And regarding the online services (which I admit that I never use): let's be realistic and admit that this side of the ecosystem cannot continue without the support of a major player. Who else will be able to cope with the hassle and cost of negotiating with the likes of Pandora/Spotify/whoever. And who's going to pay to run the central servers? Strikes me that the correct way forward is to develop Squeezebox Server plugins to support online streaming services and return the ecosystem to its original vision, where the user must run a local server. I agree with this analysis. I suspect there's a fragmented market for all these players. Some mainly use the internet radio features, some the paid streaming (how many?), and many the home music library features. For example, in my case, we use the radio vs. music player at about 10:1. I won't pay for online streaming services. castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player cliveb wrote: That is a fair point, and certainly there would need to be such a turnkey device available. Vortexbox is a good example of how this could end up working. They offer for free download a pre-built server. It's really simple to take pretty much any old PC you have lying around and install Vortexbox. Or if you want to buy a ready-built device, you can buy a Vortexbox Appliance. For a player, I envisage a downloadable Raspberry Pi boot image pre-configured to run Squeezeplay/whatever that someone can just stick on a SD card and plug into a Pi. Control would be via the server web interface and/or iPeng/etc. And for those who just want to buy a working device, an enterprising company could sell pre-built RaspberrySqueeze Appliances. But let's face facts: there will never be mass market appeal for this. Nobody is going to make their fortune doing it. And regarding the online services (which I admit that I never use): let's be realistic and admit that this side of the ecosystem cannot continue without the support of a major player. Who else will be able to cope with the hassle and cost of negotiating with the likes of Pandora/Spotify/whoever. And who's going to pay to run the central servers? Strikes me that the correct way forward is to develop Squeezebox Server plugins to support online streaming services and return the ecosystem to its original vision, where the user must run a local server. Hi cliveb, All great points, and I tend to agree with them. The question of own music vs services is an interesting one. I would envisage supporting very high quality playback of music stored on your local server(s) at up to 24bit/192kHz (which you can readily buy these days), but would also have to continue supporting, and even expand the cloud service offerings. I terms of services, moving away from current model of all services going though a cloud portal and back into a plugin mode is a possibility - there are pros/cons to this, but both ways are workable in my opinion. I have a fair bit of experience in this as I was a co-founder of a company which did a bunch of deals with the likes of Rhapsody/Pandora/etc - company shall remain unnamed for the purpose of this discussion :) The point here is that a re-vamped product range - if it was to go ahead - would, in my view, focus on both very high quality local playback and a rich set of services, hopefully providing the best of both worlds at reasonable price points. moos_man's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57497 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
Money, money, money... - Nothing actually new at least Logitech openly talks with the community. Very much appreciated! Hosting our requests for internet radio requires some computer power and a big one. It does not matter where servers are: in amazon or somewhere else this is just expensive. Products like Duet, Touch, and complete palette of classical SlimDevices these all do not generate (enough?) revenue to keep it up and running. This was clear a mistake to keep central server in the concept from the day 1. What was good to go for IPO or in this particular case for acquisition. I truly appreciate whole SlimDevice team as great visionary engineers and businessmen! Well Done ! I truly appreciate it. I was not expecting Logitech committing anything for our community and our devices - this would economically not wise. Even a source code keeps quite some Know-how, which is a key. I would not be surprised if Logitech will get some patents to keep it protected at least I would do it. I personally like comment Mnyb | September 28th, 2012 at 9:24 pm as correctly pointing issues out. Me too stream has the same infrastructure issue inherited in the business model - all that devices will follow the same path: moderate sales and short live. It is only matter of time. All reasons were already well listed in this forum. The good news is: all that new Logitech iRadio devises will be rather emotional purchases with short living time with no regret, and will be dumped by owners much quicker keeping Logitech infrastructure burden significantly lower. We might see great success this Christmas season, or silent sunset afterwards. I am not going to join the pessimistic stream about Duet and whole abandoned camp, rather see weak business reasons to keep huge infrastructure with no revenue generation up and running it does not make much sense economically, at least to me. Logitech is a public company there is no any reason to blame them for acquiring startups and discontinuing ideas, which do not take mass market. As Ive already mentioned in one of my previous posts: It would be nice if Logitech creates ultimately LAST release with no dependency on central Logitech server, with possibility to connect external internet radio typing their IP in the configuration at least this might keep the community happy. AndreE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player Interesting discussion. Do the current line of Raspberry Pi or eeeBox have digital/optical out to feed a DAC? jezbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9888 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
Surely, the simplest internet radio access could be provide by an 'independent' Tunein plugin - one which doesn't reference the central servers? I can't fathom why Tunein, as is, needs to contact mysb.com castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
castalla wrote: Surely, the simplest internet radio access could be provide by an 'independent' Tunein plugin - one which doesn't reference the central servers? I can't fathom why Tunein, as is, needs to contact mysb.com Yes thing seems to be the biggest thing in the code I have looked over, mostly the rest of lms is complete enough or the newer squeezeplay based HW could be given the App to stand alone... Phill. pssc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player moos_man wrote: the point here is that a re-vamped product range - if it was to go ahead - would, in my view, focus on both very high quality local playback and a rich set of services, hopefully providing the best of both worlds at reasonable price points. Very much agree. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player azinck3 wrote: I can't speak to whether or not the idea would fail, but I CAN say that I'm with JJZolx on this one. I don't want a TV everywhere I might want an SB for MANY reasons (cost, aesthetic, heat, etc.). And even if I do have a TV there I don't really want to have it on just so I can glance up and see what's playing. TV's (especially when they're on) have a way of dominating a room and commanding attention; it lends a different atmosphere to the room that I don't want when listening to audio. Maybe I'm not imaginative enough, but I'd be super happy if they'd make something very similar to the SB3 but figure out a way to get it to support Airplay (not something I care about personally, but I recognize it as being important for broader adoption). I also wouldn't want a TV but then neither does the display have to be visible from across the room - I personally use my android phone to control all my squeezebox receivers and it works very well. For the majority of users, I would imagine a plug and play system, streaming music via the internet is pretty much what they want, if the price was right, including music subscription. For those of us who want local copies of our music ripped from CDs etc. then I for one would prefer hardware that is plug and play compatible with different sources - i.e. if I have Squeezeserver hosting my music or JRiver MediaCenter, it doesn't matter. I buy the hardware that I need for the audio requirements (cheap and small for the kitchen, better DAC etc for the main room) and mix and match it with the software solution that suits me best. I was hoping that UPnP/DLNA was the solution but hardware support is very patchy. The raspberry pi (or similar) idea mentioned before sounds good and may be the way to go, but again not for the majority. chemirocha's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18708 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player chemirocha wrote: I also wouldn't want a TV but then neither does the display have to be visible from across the room - I personally use my android phone to control all my squeezebox receivers and it works very well. IMO video and audio should be separate. In my small appt. I have 4 locations from which I can choose to listen to music, 1 desktop screen (home office) and no TV. There is 1 video projector for watching movies (via hacked appletv v1). When I wish to be enlightened and see what goes on in the TV realm I fire up youtube or the like, preferably on my iPad. I wonder you many users there are for the youtube plugin ? I suppose this population would like to see the video along with the audio. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezePlay for Windows with ASIO, DirectSound, WASAPI and WDMKS device support.
Many thanks for this - I've been looking for a Squeezeplay that will handle my hi-res files. By the way it happily plays 192 flacs from LMS 7.7 steve-g's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52057 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96573 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezePlay for Windows with ASIO, DirectSound, WASAPI and WDMKS device support.
steve-g wrote: Many thanks for this - I've been looking for a Squeezeplay that will handle my hi-res files. By the way it happily plays 192 flacs from LMS 7.7 Yes, flacs work in 7.7, pcm was fixed in 7.8. and you're welcome ;) ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96573 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player erland wrote: The Touch was probably not their biggest cash cow but are you sure they actually loosed money on it ? I don't think I've ever seen anything like this mentioned from an official source, but I might have missed something. Probably the cost of after-sales support added to the CDN fees and network costs of keeping mysqueezebox.com alive make it marginal or worse (my guess). I wouldn't expect Logitech had the luxury of killing off profitable lines of business. dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
*sigh* I really must rub those guys the wrong way , my latest comment is still awaiting moderation ? why is this question a problem: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Thanks for clarifications . Can the rationale for ending the squeezebox system as we know it be explained ? I can understand why you try this new UE system it has its applications ( even if I dont believe its the rigth thing for this market ). But why does this exclude further development of the squeezebox line up ? They are not mutually exclusive and are not attractive to the same customers ,but they share a common hardware and software platform ? As I see it you could get 2 for 1 one here . There is really no other options ( yet ) for a typical squeezebox power user ,you had this niche for yourself ,no competition at all and I still thinks you missed the majority of possible customers due to mismanagement of the product historically .but the potential is still there. * Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
Mnyb wrote: *sigh* I really must rub those guys the wrong way , my latest comment is still awaiting moderation ? * I have a comment awaiting moderation since 9/29. I think it is lost at this point, sometimes I see it there (with the awaiting moderation note) and other times I don't even see that. If this is how they handle a blog post with comments, no wonder so many things are broken at logitech. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Paid music services over Squeezebox players in the future- is this gonna discontinue?
AndreE wrote: Logitech is pursuing two monetization streams: devices sales and content usage based - this is a major reason why all new devices are connected to Logitech servers. Content usage based model is not new and already well developed by e.g. Apple, followed by Google, Amazon, Sony and many others (with different success rate !). What are you talking about? Did I miss an announcement, or is this you speculating about how Logitech is going to gouge customers in the future? JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96371 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
Mnyb wrote: *sigh* I really must rub those guys the wrong way , my latest comment is still awaiting moderation ? why is this question a problem: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Thanks for clarifications . Can the rationale for ending the squeezebox system as we know it be explained ? I can understand why you try this new UE system it has its applications ( even if I dont believe its the rigth thing for this market ). But why does this exclude further development of the squeezebox line up ? They are not mutually exclusive and are not attractive to the same customers ,but they share a common hardware and software platform ? As I see it you could get 2 for 1 one here . There is really no other options ( yet ) for a typical squeezebox power user ,you had this niche for yourself ,no competition at all and I still thinks you missed the majority of possible customers due to mismanagement of the product historically .but the potential is still there. * Just to reiterate a point, the number of users who interact here on the Squeezebox forums is about 0.01% - 0.001% of the actual, live, connected-to-mysqueezebox.com population. Even that population is only a percentage of all Squeezebox out there -- there are many users who simply use LMS locally and never connect. If you want your voice to be heard, you have to be persistent and attack with all avenues at your disposal. The blog is only one such avenue. You can imagine for the people who are not reading these forums, that they are generally unaware of the issues that you have with the new strategy. routehero's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=54579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Blog.Logitech: An Open Letter to Squeezebox Fans
Mnyb wrote: *sigh* I really must rub those guys the wrong way They can't answer your questions without exposing internal company information. If they provide an answer, they won't provide the details you want, so there is no point waiting for an answer. My suggestion would instead be to try to explain to them what improvements/changes they can make to the new UE products to better fit the needs of previous Squeezebox owners. If we give them ideas/thoughts on how they can improve their products, it's a lot bigger chance they will actually listen and do something. Posting complains or require more information about the reasons behind shutdown Squeezeboxes isn't going to get us anywhere. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96606 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player moos_man wrote: Hi cliveb, All great points, and I tend to agree with them. The question of own music vs services is an interesting one. I would envisage supporting very high quality playback of music stored on your local server(s) at up to 24bit/192kHz (which you can readily buy these days), but would also have to continue supporting, and even expand the cloud service offerings. I terms of services, moving away from current model of all services going though a cloud portal and back into a plugin mode is a possibility - there are pros/cons to this, but both ways are workable in my opinion. I have a fair bit of experience in this as I was a co-founder of a company which did a bunch of deals with the likes of Rhapsody/Pandora/etc - company shall remain unnamed for the purpose of this discussion :) The point here is that a re-vamped product range - if it was to go ahead - would, in my view, focus on both very high quality local playback and a rich set of services, hopefully providing the best of both worlds at reasonable price points. I think one issue both slim devices and Logitech faced regarding services was encryption and other secret handshakes the providers do not trust this to be on a open source server. Thus a cloud service was there to proxy and provide user login , but mysqueezebox.com was closed source . The paranoid service provider could keep their secret with Logitech and we could use the service . But I assume that most service providers are not that paranoid . For example lib spotify that triodes uses , he can do that without problems ( I assume ). So a modiefied proposal is to actually require local server and only use a cloud server for stuff that could not be done in any other way, this would be a much lighter versions as the local servers do most of the work ? Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Extremely long startup and rescan times
I am currently running Logitech Media Server (v7.7.3, 1336728576) on a Debian/Unstable box, and starting the server, or rescanning the library takes just over 2 hours. I have ~20k tracks, and a bunch of erland's plugins installed. The slow part seems to be when cache/persist.db gets (very slowly) copied into cache/persist.db-wal. My persist.db is 187M, and it copies around 20KB/sec. During this entire time one CPU is pegged at 100%. strace shows kazillions of lines like: lseek(21, 61262992, SEEK_SET) = 61262992 read(21, \n\0\0\0\25\0\315\0\3=\3d\3\213\3\262\3\331\0\315\0\364\1\33\1B\1i\1\220\1\267..., 1024) = 1024 lseek(20, 176803840, SEEK_SET) = 176803840 read(20, \2\0\0\0\2\2y\0\0\2\177\360\3C\2y\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0..., 1024) = 1024 lseek(21, 35200280, SEEK_SET) = 35200280 read(21, \2\0\0\0\4\0\233\0\0\2\177\357\0\233\2C\1Y\3\26\0x\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0..., 1024) = 1024 lseek(20, 155569152, SEEK_SET) = 155569152 read(20, \2\0\0\0\4\0X\0\0\2K;\0X\1B\2,\3\26\2\206\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0..., 1024) = 1024 lseek(21, 62461880, SEEK_SET) = 62461880 write(21, \0\1\355\224\0\0\0\0iP\327\35\3634\304\357$\270\221\301\213\372\30\262, 24) = 24 lseek(21, 62461904, SEEK_SET) = 62461904 write(21, \n\0\0\0\6\0\232\0\1+\1\274\2M\2\336\3o\0\232\3\223\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0..., 1024) = 1024 lseek(21, 56047096, SEEK_SET) = 56047096 read(21, \2\0\0\0\3\1B\0\0\2\200\1B\2,\3\26\3\26\0\340\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0..., 1024) = 1024 file id 20 is /var/tmp/squeezeboxserver/cache/persist.db, and 21 is /var/tmp/squeezeboxserver/cache/persist.db-wal. This mirrors what an ls of cache/persist* shows. I tried moving the cache directory into a RAM disk to eliminate disk issues, and it did not speed it up at all. Once it is up and running performance is good, but the startup and rescan is a killer. Anyone have any idea how to speed this up? Is MySQL still a viable option given I rely on erland's plugins? I was thinking of tweaking /usr/share/perl5/Slim/Utils/SQLiteHelper.pm to seriously increase cache_size, or maybe just set page_size to a larger value (like 16k). Anyone else see anything like this? Thanks, Omen -- Confidence is the feeling you have before you understand the situation. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread
Now... I've hinted at this here and there and iPeng's facebook page admittedly is a little bit ahead with this, but not it's time to talk about iPeng 2.0 here, too. Yes, iPeng 2.0. iPhone 5 is out, has a different form factor, iPeng for iPhone hasn't seen a UI change in two years, so it's time for something new :) Here we go, first little bit to be revealed... 13740 +---+ |Filename: 20teaser2.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13740| +---+ pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96679 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezePlay for Windows with ASIO, DirectSound, WASAPI and WDMKS device support.
Would it correctly playback FLAC multichannel files? gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96573 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPAD Squeezebox app for Squeezebox players is 50% oiff today for $4.99
Does it support replaygain with its playback function? gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96632 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPAD Squeezebox app for Squeezebox players is 50% oiff today for $4.99
zebb wrote: Hi Everyone, my first post - today only the Squeezebox App for Logitech Squeezebox music players is on for half price at $4.99. I use this App myself and it is my favourite, with iPengHD coming in second. Link below, enjoy!! http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/squeezepad/id380003002?mt=8ign-mpt=uo%3D2 Considering there's no future products to work with they're probably just trying to get what ever they can while the gettin's good in order to recoup their expense in creating the app. I wouldn't be suprised if iPeng did the same soon too. vining's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37132 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96632 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPAD Squeezebox app for Squeezebox players is 50% oiff today for $4.99
vining wrote: Considering there's no future products to work with they're probably just trying to get what ever they can while the gettin's good in order to recoup their expense in creating the app. I wouldn't be suprised if iPeng did the same soon too. Doing what? Temporary offers? No. Bluegaspode has often done that in the past, I never did it for iPeng. Instead, iPeng for iPhone now permanently sells at a lower price (since July) and you get a discount on playback if you buy both iPeng Apps. Again, permanently. I want people to know what they get, not gamble on offer or be frustrated because they missed them. And you never reach people who thing $10 is too much for an App you are going to use every day and that requires you to own hardware worth hundreds of $$ anyway. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96632 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread
My my my. Does this mean iPad will lose its baby blue color scheme?? epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96679 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread
Cool! I just got the new iPhone, so I'm looking forward to a new iPeng. GeeJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96679 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread
epoch1970 wrote: My my my. Does this mean iPad will lose its baby blue color scheme?? Actually no, at least not now. This is iPhone/iPod only. iPad needs different changes pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96679 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Future of Squeezebox Product Line-Up
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 Question: Would you buy a new Squeezebox player if it became available? - Yes , if less than $100 - Yes, if less than $200 - Yes, if less than $500 - Yes, if less than $1000 - Yes - price is no object; I just want the best sound - No - I would NOT buy another Squeezebox player Mnyb wrote: I think one issue both slim devices and Logitech faced regarding services was encryption and other secret handshakes the providers do not trust this to be on a open source server. Thus a cloud service was there to proxy and provide user login , but mysqueezebox.com was closed source . The paranoid service provider could keep their secret with Logitech and we could use the service . But I assume that most service providers are not that paranoid . For example lib spotify that triodes uses , he can do that without problems ( I assume ). In my experience, many service providers are paranoid, especially the big ones, which also are the ones people really want access to. Some of them doesn't even give you access to an API before you are backed by a company, can show that they as a service provider can earn significant money on being part of it, and you have signed a NDA. Mnyb wrote: So a modiefied proposal is to actually require local server and only use a cloud server for stuff that could not be done in any other way, this would be a much lighter versions as the local servers do most of the work ? I don't think we should be afraid of a central server when playing online music, if the software isn't maintained or is broken it doesn't matter if it's installed locally or on a central server. Sure, some geeks might be able to fix it if it's installed locally but for the general user the situation is often worse if the software is installed locally since he/she might not have the knowledge to realize that it needs to be updated and how to install the update. For local music playback the situation is of course a bit different, this is something you want to be able to do without a central server as you really don't want to end up in a situation where you can't play music because your internet provider is doing some maintenance work. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96660 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Extremely long startup and rescan times
If it's related to my plugins, you will find some ideas in the following thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?96124-Erland-s-Plug-ins-Large-Collections-and-Hardware-Requirements erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96677 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPAD Squeezebox app for Squeezebox players is 50% oiff today for $4.99
gorman wrote: Does it support replaygain with its playback function? Neither SqueezePad nor iPeng support ReplayGain. SqueezeCast might support it (I am not sure though), but it lacks in other areas (i.e. UI, you will often need to switch to a different App then). bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96632 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
