Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
The last couple of days I have played three-four 24/48 albums in flac format with only a few seconds of skipping. My conclusion is that the software mentioned in my previous post works much better in handling this format than the official release. Keep up the good work Logitech! Ole -- _OS_ _OS_'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13033 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
Pale Blue Ego;299001 Wrote: _OS_, you still have not tried the traditional fix that Saran has suggested - re-encode the FLACs with a comprression setting of 0. This gives the Duet's CPU the least amount of work to do while decoding. You should only have to do this on 24/48 or 24/96 files. Please see the other posts in this thread about this. The reason I did not check this is that I thought that the CPU time needed to decompress was the same. Also with more compression there are less bytes to transfer over the wlan. Ole -- _OS_ _OS_'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13033 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
Ben Sandee;298763 Wrote: On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:24 AM, _OS_ OS_.38w9bn1209918301 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com wrote: So the big question is: what should I do? Wire the receiver and forget it or request a money back and buy the SB3 instead? Unless it's a problem others have verified, maybe you should request a fixed Receiver. Or file a bug to see if it may just be a legitimate bug in the Receiver firmware -- there are slight differences in the software. The key in this case is to upload the offending FLACfiles. Either way, you should absolutely contact Logitech support because nobody here can fix what appears to be either a) a firmware issue or b) a hardware issue. Ben I have browsed this site and searched with google and can't find anyone with the same problem. Actually I can't find that many people streaming 24/48 flac files. Also I guess this is not top priority at Logitech either. Before I request a fixed receiver I will try the nightly build of the server/firmware and see if that helps. ole -- _OS_ _OS_'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13033 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
Tonight I have updated SC to 7.01-19422, the receiver with firmware 23 and the controller with 7.01 r2409. It is too early to conclude on the testing but I have played the songs that used to skip as well as many other 24/48 albums with no skipping at all! I will get back here when I have done some more testing. Ole -- _OS_ _OS_'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13033 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
_OS_;298618 Wrote: Today I did the following test: I moved the SB3 to my kitchen and connected it to my Tivoli radio and started playing the 24/48 song that skips on the Duet Receiver. I had the buffer fullness displayed on the SB3. It started playing immediately and the buffer went to 100% after a couple of seconds. I then turned on the Duet Controller that I had with me and instructed it to control my SB3. No problem. I played next song, previous song and so on with no skipping and 100% full after a few seconds. I then went down to my music room and turned on the Duet Receiver with the controller and started playing there as well. While the Duet Receiver was playing I went up to the kitchen again and checked the SB3. Still 100% full. Played next song, previous song and so on with no skipping. My laptop was on and connected to the wlan as well all the time. This leads me to believe that there is no problem with the wlan. My guess is that the processing power or something else in the Duet Receiver is causing the trouble. So the big question is: what should I do? Wire the receiver and forget it or request a money back and buy the SB3 instead? Thanks, Ole I'm going to guess the problem is with your duet's wireless card. You should probably call slim devices up and see what they say. -- lanierb lanierb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5566 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
_OS_, you still have not tried the traditional fix that Saran has suggested - re-encode the FLACs with a comprression setting of 0. This gives the Duet's CPU the least amount of work to do while decoding. You should only have to do this on 24/48 or 24/96 files. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
Pale Blue Ego wrote: re-encode the FLACs with a comprression setting of 0. This gives the Duet's CPU the least amount of work to do while decoding. You should only have to do this on 24/48 or 24/96 files. I thought that with flac, the compression and decompression speeds were independant. All that the adjustment for 0 to 8 on the compression side does is tell the encoder to spend more time/effort looking for best compression. The work on decompressing is the same, and nearly trivial in all cases. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure on this. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
pfarrell;299014 Wrote: I thought that with flac, the compression and decompression speeds were independant. All that the adjustment for 0 to 8 on the compression side does is tell the encoder to spend more time/effort looking for best compression. The work on decompressing is the same, and nearly trivial in all cases. My understanding too...the comparison page below shows that going from 3 to 5 almost doubles the encode cpu time but barely touches the decode time. http://flac.sourceforge.net/comparison.html -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Pat Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that with flac, the compression and decompression speeds were independant. All that the adjustment for 0 to 8 on the compression side does is tell the encoder to spend more time/effort looking for best compression. The work on decompressing is the same, and nearly trivial in all cases. Here's one discussion on the topic but I'm not sure how current the data is: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=26859 Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
Thanks for all the suggestions! Sorry for not posting more results of the testing but it takes time because sometimes the receiver does not skip at all; yesterday when I tried to run it wired it did not skip. Then I connected to wlan again and it did not skip there either. I have noticed another issue: the controller often freezes or slows down a lot when the skipping happens. I also have another server running on a Synology DS-207+ and when connected to this server the slow down of the controller happens much more often. A question; is the processing power and memory buffers and so on in the Duet Receiver faster/better/larger than in the SB3? Thanks! Ole -- _OS_ _OS_'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13033 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
I think that the buffers are the same. What you describe though does tend towards suggesting that you have a problem with the wireless. Wireless problems would tend to cause dropouts (skipping) and a slower server would have problems keeping up exaggerating the problem. It seems likely that there is interference causing the problem. Whilst this won't show up as a reduction in signal strength it will show up as a lack of throughput. Only realtime activities would be affected if the interference isn't very big and PCs with larger receive buffers aren't as likely to display the problem. There are applications such as NetStumbler which can help you look for other wireless networks causing problems but lots of other devices operate in the same range of frequencies which can also interfere. If your wireless router is on the standard or auto channel it may be worth you changing the channel to another moving you away from an interfering signal. -- Zaragon Zaragon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14577 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
Zaragon;298543 Wrote: I think that the buffers are the same. What you describe though does tend towards suggesting that you have a problem with the wireless. Wireless problems would tend to cause dropouts (skipping) and a slower server would have problems keeping up exaggerating the problem. It seems likely that there is interference causing the problem. Whilst this won't show up as a reduction in signal strength it will show up as a lack of throughput. Only realtime activities would be affected if the interference isn't very big and PCs with larger receive buffers aren't as likely to display the problem. There are applications such as NetStumbler which can help you look for other wireless networks causing problems but lots of other devices operate in the same range of frequencies which can also interfere. If your wireless router is on the standard or auto channel it may be worth you changing the channel to another moving you away from an interfering signal. Thanks for the suggestion. There are 2 other networks detected by my Duet but both of them uses channel 11 and my network uses channel 2. If I run NetStumbler on my laptop in my livingroom 20 networks are detected and again none of them uses channel 2. My Duet and wlan access point is located below ground level and that is probably why only 2 other networks are detected. Ole -- _OS_ _OS_'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13033 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
Today I did the following test: I moved the SB3 to my kitchen and connected it to my Tivoli radio and started playing the 24/48 song that skips on the Duet Receiver. I had the buffer fullness displayed on the SB3. It started playing immediately and the buffer went to 100% after a couple of seconds. I then turned on the Duet Controller that I had with me and instructed it to control my SB3. No problem. I played next song, previous song and so on with no skipping and 100% full after a few seconds. I then went down to my music room and turned on the Duet Receiver with the controller and started playing there as well. While the Duet Receiver was playing I went up to the kitchen again and checked the SB3. Still 100% full. Played next song, previous song and so on with no skipping. My laptop was on and connected to the wlan as well all the time. This leads me to believe that there is no problem with the wlan. My guess is that the processing power or something else in the Duet Receiver is causing the trouble. So the big question is: what should I do? Wire the receiver and forget it or request a money back and buy the SB3 instead? Thanks, Ole -- _OS_ _OS_'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13033 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:24 AM, _OS_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the big question is: what should I do? Wire the receiver and forget it or request a money back and buy the SB3 instead? Unless it's a problem others have verified, maybe you should request a fixed Receiver. Or file a bug to see if it may just be a legitimate bug in the Receiver firmware -- there are slight differences in the software. The key in this case is to upload the offending FLACfiles. Either way, you should absolutely contact Logitech support because nobody here can fix what appears to be either a) a firmware issue or b) a hardware issue. Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
Try this: re-encode the flac files with -0 or --compression-level-0 option (i.e. Fastest compression). That solved the problem of skipping/cracking playback of 24/96 files for me. -- Saran Saran's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17227 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
Is it possible this is a network bandwidth problem, rather than a flac issue? When my duet arrived I didn't exactly follow the instructions for set-up, and mistakenly had it installed by wireless, rather then wired-ethernet. I had some slipping issues with regular 16/48 flacs. I then read the instructions fully, setup again for the hybrid scenario, and have had no problems since. I suggest you try running a wire from your router to the SBC, just to see if you still have skipping. This will ensure you are trying to solve the genuine cause of the fault:-) -- adrianr Former Roku owner (SB died!), now a very happy Duet user, Musical Fidelity X-DAC v3 X-PSU adrianr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16258 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
_OS_;297902 Wrote: I ripped the hi-rez DVD with DVD Audio Extractor (CAS) then converted the ripped files to flac with dbpoweramp. The flac codec is release 10 (FLAC 1.2.0). I will try with another method, if I can find one, tomorrow. EDIT: I checked the dbpoweramp site now and there is an update (release 11) for the flac codec. I will try that tomorrow and post back here. Thanks! Ole I reencoded the flac files with the new flac codec in dbpoweramp and compression level 4 and the result is the same on this album (George Benson Al Jarreau - Givin' It Up). I also tried playing the 24/48 wav-files and they skips as well but sometimes they play for a long time before skipping. I will try the other suggestions given above this post later today. Thanks, Ole -- _OS_ _OS_'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13033 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
adrianr;298263 Wrote: Is it possible this is a network bandwidth problem, rather than a flac issue? When my duet arrived I didn't exactly follow the instructions for set-up, and mistakenly had it installed by wireless, rather then wired-ethernet. I had some slipping issues with regular 16/48 flacs. I then read the instructions fully, setup again for the hybrid scenario, and have had no problems since. I suggest you try running a wire from your router to the SBC, just to see if you still have skipping. This will ensure you are trying to solve the genuine cause of the fault:-) Do you mean that setting the receiver up for hybrid and then running it wireless solved your skipping issues? I will try to do thath later today. My wlan access point is sitting just 10 feet away behind a wall with pine panels and insulation. The signal strength measured with my laptop is very good. Now I will read the manual... Ole -- _OS_ _OS_'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13033 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
Are you saying you're running EVERYTHING wireless, or did I misread? I could see you not having a problem with ONE playback device, but now that you've got a second player you're placing a LOT of bandwidth on that wireless network. I'll bet your problems would disappear if at least ONE of the devices were wired. Can you wire the 'laptop' server? -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
Eric Seaberg;298313 Wrote: Are you saying you're running EVERYTHING wireless, or did I misread? I could see you not having a problem with ONE playback device, but now that you've got a second player you're placing a LOT of bandwidth on that wireless network. I'll bet your problems would disappear if at least ONE of the devices were wired. Can you wire the 'laptop' server? Yes, I am running everything wireless but I have only used one SB at a time. SB3 plays the files fine but the Duet skips. In addition to the Duet I have one laptop on the wlan. The SqueezeCenter PC is wired to the wlan router. Ole -- _OS_ _OS_'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13033 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
The fact that the wav skips is indicative of at least some weakness in your wireless setup (mine won't skip with all four SB3's running at once). However, the flac should be easier on your wireless so I'm not sure if that's the main problem. I would try to isolate it before you do anything else. Plug the duet and your server in wired just for a test and see if the skipping goes away. If it does, it's a wireless problem. If it doesn't, it's something to do with the flac encode/decode. -- lanierb lanierb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5566 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
OS, apologies if I wasn't clear enough! I have a wireless network, but in my old ROKU days I always had bandwidth problems with the siting of my HIFI. The SBR is connected by wire only now, with the controller connecting to my router. This is the hybrid scenario; the SBR is not acting as a wireless bridge. -- adrianr Former Roku owner (SB died!), now a very happy Duet user, Musical Fidelity X-DAC v3 X-PSU adrianr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16258 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
iPhone;294892 Wrote: Only thing I can think of is that it is a clocking issue. Check the clocking and timing setting of the DAC and SBR. Hi, Today I have made some more investigation into this. I have connected the analogue out of the Duet Receiver to my amp and it skips there as well. I now have SB3 and Duet Receiver side-by-side connected to the same server through the same wlan and the SB3 plays these files fine with no skipping. Is this a bug in the Duet? Maybe the processing power or buffer is lower in the Duet. Anyone? Thanks, Ole -- _OS_ _OS_'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13033 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
Could be a flac encoding problem. What software did you use to encode the flac? -- lanierb lanierb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5566 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
lanierb;297901 Wrote: Could be a flac encoding problem. What software did you use to encode the flac? I ripped the hi-rez DVD with DVD Audio Extractor (CAS) then converted the ripped files to flac with dbpoweramp. The flac codec is release 10 (FLAC 1.2.0). I will try with another method, if I can find one, tomorrow. Thanks! Ole -- _OS_ _OS_'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13033 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
Hi, I have a few albums in 48KHz/24bits flac format that play fine using my SB3 and digital out fed into my Accuphase DAC-20. I recently bought the new Duet Receiver and controller and the 48KHz/24bit files often skips when playing through the same DAC and same PC running Squeezecenter as I used with SB3. Both SB's are connected through WLAN to the server in the room next door. Any ideas? Squeezenter (v 7.0-17793) is running under Windows XP SP2 on a PC with AMD Athlon 64 Dual Core 4200+ CPU with 2GB RAM. Thanks! Ole -- _OS_ _OS_'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13033 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet skips when playing 48KHz/24bit flac files
_OS_;294852 Wrote: Hi, I have a few albums in 48KHz/24bits flac format that play fine using my SB3 and digital out fed into my Accuphase DAC-20. I recently bought the new Duet Receiver and controller and the 48KHz/24bit files often skips when playing through the same DAC and same PC running Squeezecenter as I used with SB3. Both SB's are connected through WLAN to the server in the room next door. Any ideas? Squeezenter (v 7.0-17793) is running under Windows XP SP2 on a PC with AMD Athlon 64 Dual Core 4200+ CPU with 2GB RAM. Thanks! Ole Only thing I can think of is that it is a clocking issue. Check the clocking and timing setting of the DAC and SBR. -- iPhone iPhone Last.FM http://www.lastfm.com/user/mePhone Media Room: Transporter, Vandersteen Quatro Signature, Ayre MX-R Mono Blocks, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center Channel, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco 710, RAM Oppo DV970HD, VeraStarr 6.4SE Living Room: SqueezeBox Duet, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold Bedroom: Squeezebox 3, Thiel 2.3, NAD C370 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46728 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
