Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
paulster wrote: Here's how I do it: cd /usr/sbin rm squeezelite-armv5te wget http://squeezelite.googlecode.com/files/squeezelite-armv5te chmod 755 squeezelite-armv5te mv squeezelite squeezelite.old mv squeezelite-armv5te squeezelite reboot If anything goes wrong you have your existing version left as squeezelite.old Worked perfectly now my VAMPbox sounds much better and responds better. Thanks so much. Dirk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3750 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
Dirk wrote: Hi, I am successfully running the 0.4 Vamp (versus 0.6) because it has the squeezeplug installer so easier to install samba and LMS but wondering what is the easiest way to update squeezelite to the latest version. Seems to work well so far. Thanks You can download the armv5te binary directly from the squeezelite download page using wget wget http://squeezelite.googlecode.com/files/squeezelite-armv5te You might need to change the permissions to executable as well. chmod 755 squeezelite-armv5te Stop the old running squeezelite on the vamp and test to see if the new version works for you before replacing the original binary. Something like ./squeezelite-armv5te -d all=debug Ralphy *1*-Touch, *4*-Classics, *2*-Booms, *1*-Reverted UE Radio *1*-Squeezeslave, *2*-Squeezeplays, *5*-Squeezelites 'Squeezeslave' (http://code.google.com/p/squeezeslave/) 'donations' (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donationsbusiness=LL5P6365KQEXNlc=CAitem_name=Squeezeslavecurrency_code=USDbn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted) always appreciated. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
Here's how I do it: cd /usr/sbin rm squeezelite-armv5te wget http://squeezelite.googlecode.com/files/squeezelite-armv5te chmod 755 squeezelite-armv5te mv squeezelite squeezelite.old mv squeezelite-armv5te squeezelite reboot If anything goes wrong you have your existing version left as squeezelite.old Two track 1's and no track 2 after a scan for new and changed? Please vote for serious scanning bug '17782' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17782) Receiver stuck at blue LED state after reboot? Please vote for bug '17462' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17462) paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
Hi, I am successfully running the 0.4 Vamp (versus 0.6) because it has the squeezeplug installer so easier to install samba and LMS but wondering what is the easiest way to update squeezelite to the latest version. Seems to work well so far. Thanks Dirk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3750 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
sspeed wrote: Since the original instructions were lost with the Vortexbox website hack I tried to rewrite them best I could at http://www.homenetworkenabled.com/content.php?188-Logitech-SqueezeBox-replacement-for-under-30 so that it can fill in the gaps for anyone building a VAMP. Thanks for posting this! My VAMP is working well, but it's good to have all the info in one place again. Bill ftlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5294 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
Since the original instructions were lost with the Vortexbox website hack I tried to rewrite them best I could at http://www.homenetworkenabled.com/content.php?188-Logitech-SqueezeBox-replacement-for-under-30 so that it can fill in the gaps for anyone building a VAMP. sspeed's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40030 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
the nightfly wrote: Just found this thread -- so, has any progress been made with getting wi-fi up and running yet? There's simply no way I could keep such a system hardwired to my router and hooked-up to my audio system at the same time. I just finished putting my VAMP together. I'm running it with wired networking and using a Hifimediy USB dac for audio output. It works well and sounds great. The next step will be trying to use wifi. I found the following thread on the Vortextbox forum: http://vortexbox.org/threads/4626-VAMP-and-Wifi-my-first-experiences I need to track down a usb dongle with one of the chipsets that has worked. Right now I'm considering this these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833315091 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833180074 widman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8695 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
Just found this thread -- so, has any progress been made with getting wi-fi up and running yet? There's simply no way I could keep such a system hardwired to my router and hooked-up to my audio system at the same time. the nightfly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42075 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
I want to thank agillis and anyone else involved in getting this solution going. I have successfully built it and it's a perfect add-on solution if you primarily use ipeng for your remote. I don't know if it's been covered in previous posts in this thread but when using the vamp build instructions with a mac based system there are extra steps to make it all work. here's a link to a macosx hint page with the key extra step. http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=2009041216314856 exile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
I saw it only briefly mentioned in this forum, but Cubox has a Squeezebox player install. Has anyone used it? If you only need S/PDIF it seems perfect. I was going to buy one anyway for XBMC, but might end up using it for this if it works well. http://www.solid-run.com/projects/52-how-to-turn-your-cubox-into-a-diy-squeezebox-music-player valnar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59626 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
valnar wrote: I saw it only briefly mentioned in this forum, but Cubox has a Squeezebox player install. Has anyone used it? If you only need S/PDIF it seems perfect. I was going to buy one anyway for XBMC, but might end up using it for this if it works well. http://www.solid-run.com/projects/52-how-to-turn-your-cubox-into-a-diy-squeezebox-music-player It's probably overpriced compared with other options - no wifi, no bluetooth, no analog audio out. castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
I can't get to ssh into the new pogo E02. It powers up and connects to the network fine. It has an IP. The pogoplug activate webpage cannot detect it and says the ID is invalid. WTF? Dangit. maddymarc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8233 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
It's a real shame that the Empirical Audio Off Ramp 5 uses the HiFace (1) chipset for USB audio input, which is no good for Linux, as this would be pretty much perfect otherwise as it also offers LVDS I2S output which is really hard to find on other interfaces. This apparently will change in upcoming versions of the Off Ramp. Steve has said at some point he will implement Linux capability firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
I saw in another thread here (the EDO one maybe?) that there is a driver available for the HiFace 1 on Linux now and somebody compiled it for the Touch. If that's the case then this could possibly work on the Off-Ramp and other interfaces/DACs using that chipset. That would be good news. paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
I picked up a POGO-E02 from here for $16: http://www.adorama.com/COCPOGOP21.html?emailprice=tutm_term=Otherutm_medium=Affiliateutm_campaign=Otherutm_source=cj_404255 It is listed as a POGO-P21 on the site, but the one I received is labelled as an E02. YMMV. widman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8695 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
azinck3 wrote: There are 2 big areas in which the VAMP is lacking for me: - No display - No control interface at the device Those are pretty much deal-killers for me. I use my SBs as weather-centers and bedside radios as much as anything. I also don't have a smartphone (yes, there are still some of us out there!). That said, I'm not really in the let's design and build our own hardware camp. Nothing against those guys, I'm just skeptical. For now I'll just keep buying used SBs and might build a VAMP if I want a headless SB. Understood. Well not really about no smartphone - ha! ;) I thought that wand board project doesn't have a display/interface, either? At least initially. SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
SamS wrote: Understood. Well not really about no smartphone - ha! ;) I thought that wand board project doesn't have a display/interface, either? At least initially. I haven't been following the custom hardware solution being dreamt up in the other thread so I don't know their current plans (are they calling it a wand board now?). I know the early discussions had people lobbying for a display and IR interface but if they've done away with those then it strikes me as a bit more pointless. azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
I control my VAMP from either my iPad or my PC. I have no need for a local display and I hadn't used the one on my now dead Squeezebox for a LONG time. :) dyohn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5211 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
dyohn wrote: Use a good quality USB DAC and you have it. :) Yeah but I wanna run it straight into my processor via S/PDIF. SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
SamS wrote: Yeah but I wanna run it straight into my processor via S/PDIF. Read here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97881-Community-Funded-Squeezebox-Replacement-Would-you-be-interested epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
Yes, I've been reading through that, but I'm having a hard time understanding how it would be fundamentally different from the DIY device described in this thread. SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
SamS wrote: Yeah but I wanna run it straight into my processor via S/PDIF. You need a USB to SPDIF converter. This is a really good one. http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/24-96-USB-to-SPDIF-converter-USB-SPDIF.htm This is a true audiophile USB to SPDIF converter. http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/SOtM-USB-Digital-Interface-SOtM-USB.htm agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
SamS wrote: Yes, I've been reading through that, but I'm having a hard time understanding how it would be fundamentally different from the DIY device described in this thread. Exactly. That project is interesting but it really is recreating the wheel and at a much higher projected cost. agillis wrote: You need a USB to SPDIF converter. This is a really good one. http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/24-96-USB-to-SPDIF-converter-USB-SPDIF.htm This is a true audiophile USB to SPDIF converter. http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/SOtM-USB-Digital-Interface-SOtM-USB.htm And there you go. :) I've been using the VAMP built on a Ponoplug for a couple months now and love it. dyohn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5211 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
agillis wrote: You need a USB to SPDIF converter. This is a really good one. http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/24-96-USB-to-SPDIF-converter-USB-SPDIF.htm This one is pretty good for a non-async interface. It's a shame though that because it uses the Tenor chipset it lacks 88.2kHz support. The M2Tech HiFace 2 is probably the next best step up from this before getting into the more esoteric interfaces. It's a real shame that the Empirical Audio Off Ramp 5 uses the HiFace (1) chipset for USB audio input, which is no good for Linux, as this would be pretty much perfect otherwise as it also offers LVDS I2S output which is really hard to find on other interfaces. paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
agillis wrote: You need a USB to SPDIF converter. This is a really good one. http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/24-96-USB-to-SPDIF-converter-USB-SPDIF.htm This is a true audiophile USB to SPDIF converter. http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/SOtM-USB-Digital-Interface-SOtM-USB.htm Great! I really appreciate the links. The SOtM looks interesting... maybe a bit more than I wanted to spend just as part of a fun project, but maybe I'll save up for it. dyohn wrote: Exactly. That project is interesting but it really is recreating the wheel and at a much higher projected cost. And there you go. :) I've been using the VAMP built on a Ponoplug for a couple months now and love it. So, I wasn't missing something obvious? What are they trying to do that the VAMP solution does not accomodate? paulster wrote: This one is pretty good for a non-async interface. It's a shame though that because it uses the Tenor chipset it lacks 88.2kHz support. The M2Tech HiFace 2 is probably the next best step up from this before getting into the more esoteric interfaces. It's a real shame that the Empirical Audio Off Ramp 5 uses the HiFace (1) chipset for USB audio input, which is no good for Linux, as this would be pretty much perfect otherwise as it also offers LVDS I2S output which is really hard to find on other interfaces. I appreciate the info on the M2Tech HiFace 2. This side of computer audio is relatively new to me. A side I'm being forced to learn about since my turnkey Squeezebox solutions are obviously drying up. I really like my Transporter, and was even considering buying a spare. But something like the VAMP + SOtM dX-USB-HD could probably do just as good, for much less. SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
SamS wrote: So, I wasn't missing something obvious? What are they trying to do that the VAMP solution does not accomodate? There are 2 big areas in which the VAMP is lacking for me: - No display - No control interface at the device Those are pretty much deal-killers for me. I use my SBs as weather-centers and bedside radios as much as anything. I also don't have a smartphone (yes, there are still some of us out there!). That said, I'm not really in the let's design and build our own hardware camp. Nothing against those guys, I'm just skeptical. For now I'll just keep buying used SBs and might build a VAMP if I want a headless SB. azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
I'm not planning to dump my Squeezeboxen anytime soon. Probably not until the hardware starts to die, and I hope (and pretty much expect) that won't be for many years. As long as I still have a version of LMS that works, the devices I have are just fine. But if the time comes that I have to abandon the SB hardware, whatever new system I go with will have to be able to sync devices, reliably, without fail. That's crucial. I have a large house, with (currently) 8 SBs (Duets, Touches, Booms and Radios) covering 3 floors plus the deck and patio, and I can't imagine having a party with people in the living room, kitchen, family room, patio and deck, and not being able to have the music on in all those places. If they're not in sync, it would sound like hell, and even worse if they're stuttering and pausing to resync. Even ignoring the party/socializing aspect, on weekends I routinely have music on all through the house. To me, sync is absolutely critical. There's no such thing as close enough; sync is either perfect or it isn't sync. And I can't imagine any system achieving SB-quality synchronization without specialized hardware married to custom firmware. I don't see how the timing/buffering issue can be reliably handled unless the latencies are known and predictable, and using a collection of PC-based soundcards doesn't look like the way to handle that. Dogberry2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
How resilient to power-cycling is the VB? I (savagely) unplugged mine and moved it upstairs. it didn't show up in LMS upon power-up. I needed to log in and issue a reboot. Not a big deal, just wondering if there's something I can tweak to have it show up in LMS on power cycle. I want to be able to unplug it when not in use. Thanks dwc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1892 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I've power cycled mine a number of times and it's always shown up again right after it finished booting. I just replaced the ethernet connection with a WiF donglei, and it's also OK with that too. Do you need to power it down, though? I put mine on a Kill A Watt and it's drawing only 3 watts. ftlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5294 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
dwc wrote: How resilient to power-cycling is the VB? I (savagely) unplugged mine and moved it upstairs. it didn't show up in LMS upon power-up. I needed to log in and issue a reboot. Not a big deal, just wondering if there's something I can tweak to have it show up in LMS on power cycle. I want to be able to unplug it when not in use. Thanks I've done this unexpectedly a few times and had no issues garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
Love reading about this project! I'm all for cheap, but has there been any consideration given to maximize digital audio output from a device like this? Better PSU, or other hardware? Even if it cost 2X+ what you've got going on here... I would be interested if it's possible to replicate the high quality digital output that we get from the Transporter or Touch. SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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SamS wrote: Love reading about this project! I'm all for cheap, but has there been any consideration given to maximize digital audio output from a device like this? Better PSU, or other hardware? Even if it cost 2X+ what you've got going on here... I would be interested if it's possible to replicate the high quality digital output that we get from the Transporter or Touch. Use a good quality USB DAC and you have it. :) dyohn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5211 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
Built my vortexbox last night. Worked great. Only snag I hit was when I put the USB mem chip in and rebooted - I couldn't connect as root. I thought something screwed up with the USB imager so I re-imaged. When I got the same result the second time I woke up to the fact that I was being shown a security message... I had to go into known_hosts and nuke the existing entry for the vortex box, since the new OS (on the flash drive) gave the box a new SSH ID. After nuking the entry in known-hosts I connected as root and was golden. Thanks again! dwc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1892 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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dwc wrote: So excited to have found this thread! I ordered the E02 and will see if I can get it to play into my JVC amp that has a USB input. Crazy ... costs 14 GBP plus 42 GBP for delivery to Europe castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
agillis wrote: VAMP 0.3 image is now up! If you are running the old image you will need to run these commands. fw_setenv arcNumber fw_setenv machid dd6 New features include - Custom kernel - Support for the LED on the front on the PogoPlug (now goes green when unit is running and Internet is up) - Latest SqueezeLite - Improvements in the web GUI Nice work Andrew! I updated mine last night from .2working great! dustinsterk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19649 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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So excited to have found this thread! I ordered the E02 and will see if I can get it to play into my JVC amp that has a USB input. dwc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1892 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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VAMP 0.3 images is now up! If you running the old image you will need to run these commands. fw_setenv arcNumber fw_setenv machid dd6 New features include - Custom kernel - Support for the LED on the front on the PogoPlug (now goes green when unit is running and Internet is up) - Latest SqueezeLite - Improvements in the web GUI agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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OK, I just followed the excellent step-by-step directions from the Vortexbox.org site and got the VAMP up and running in about 20 minutes. I am about the least Linux-knowledgeable person in the world so if I can do it, anyone can. I'm using a Turtle Beach USB DAC for now and it sounds pretty great for a total investment of around $50. I'm controlling it using the free Logitech Squeezebox iPhone app. Next up is to download iPeng and to order an AudioQuest Dragonfly USB DAC to see if it sounds better than the Turtle Beach. So, as long as you are willing to control from a smartphone app or via the web, this works great and will replace one of my Squeezeboxes that suddenly died. A recommended project and thank you Vortexbox folks for doing this. dyohn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5211 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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This unit is white and gray not black but it's guaranteed to be an E02. It's actually a POGO-E02G but that's the same thing. http://www.amazon.com/Pogoplug-Media-Sharing-Device-Gray/dp/B0044CL1N0?tag=vort-20 agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Did so yesterday. Now to figure out how to make a P21 useful around the house. Too bad it won't clean the bathroom. mikeh49's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Got the Pogoplug today that I ordered from the Vortexbox store (unfortunately prior to the latest addition) and it seems to really be a P21. The label on the foot says P21 and the cat /proc/cpuinfo says: Processor : ARMv6-compatible processor rev 5 (v6l) processor : 0 BogoMIPS: 279.34 processor : 1 BogoMIPS: 279.34 Features: swp half thumb fastmult edsp java CPU implementer : 0x41 CPU architecture: 7 CPU variant : 0x0 CPU part: 0xb02 CPU revision: 5 Hardware: Oxsemi NAS Revision: Serial : From what I can tell from Archlinux, I think this is a P21, not an E02. Can anyone confirm? Thanks. mikeh49's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Good to hear you have it working. Look for more improvements in the VAMP image in the future. I'm working on WiFi this week! agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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agillis wrote: Good to hear you have it working. Look for more improvements in the VAMP image in the future. I'm working on WiFi this week! Awesome. I am trying to install LMS on the same unit as I type this. But I may not need it, since I have it running on my laptop all the time. I bought 25 feet of CAT 6 cable today to run it to where I have the plug. With wi-fi I may be able to skip that. Went to Wal-Mart today to get the USB Logitech speakers, but they only carry the regular analog kind in the stores. Will have to have them ship the speakers to the store. Thanks again for the great work! crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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crooner wrote: I will attempt building a VAMP today. I want to use with my Audioquest Dragonfly USB DAC. I am hoping it will work fine. This DAC has a volume control in the analog domain that is usually controlled by the Windows operating system. It acts exactly like the regular system volume. With my netbook, I use Griffin's PowerMate as a physical volume control knob. For Linux, the PowerMate works with the Gizmo Deamon. My question is: would the Gizmo Daemon work with the VAMP? I'd love to be able to adjust the volume on the DAC within the VAMP. Thanks! Squeezelite (the player VAMP is based on) will not access any hardware specific volume controls. It does support digital domain volume control using the standard LMS controls. It may be that you can access the hardware volume from linux, but this will require you to find a way of controlling it which would be outside of what squeezelite does. Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Triode wrote: Squeezelite (the player VAMP is based on) will not access any hardware specific volume controls. It does support digital domain volume control using the standard LMS controls. It may be that you can access the hardware volume from linux, but this will require you to find a way of controlling it which would be outside of what squeezelite does. Thanks! I will experiment and see what I come up with. I almost completed the VAMP last night. I only need to do the Alsamixer step, but I don't have the Dragonfly DAC with me a the moment. LMS doesn't see the VAMP player yet. I guess this step is needed for the unit to be visible. I will complete the process tonight. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I am having trouble restoring the VAMP image. I have a 4 gB USB Drive. USB image tool keeps telling me image size is too large. What should I do? I have run the program as an administrator and I don't want to truncate the image for fear of losing data. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Got myself a 8GB Sansa USB drive. Hopefully it will work. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Ok. I managed to get the image into the 8Gb USB. Now I am getting an alsamixer error on Putty: cannot open mixer: no such file or directory This really sucks! Any ideas? :scratch: crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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ok. Plugged the USB dac into a different USB port and it now works. Will plug headphones and will report back! crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Got everything running smoothly! The Audioquest Dragonfly works great on it. Now to try to adapt the Griffin Powermate volume control to work on it... crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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agillis wrote: I just added another link to a real POGO E02. It costs $2 more but you know what your getting. Thanks, I bought one from your original link, advertised as the P21 but did receive an E02 yesterday. agillis wrote: The Series 4 would work ACCEPT you can't boot from the flash port. So you need to add a USB hub to get another USB port to boot your USB key from. So it costs twice as much, you need a USB hub, and it's half the CPU speed. Not a good deal. Certainly understand slower CPU and lower memory, but it claims to have one USB 2.0 under the cover plus two USB 3.0 on the rear - is that not sufficient? If I'm only running squeezelite (not LMS server) is the reduced CPU speed/memory likely to be enough? Kinda prefer not having that goofy foot the E02 bounces around on.. thanks Greg gregklanderman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I will attempt building a VAMP today. I want to use with my Audioquest Dragonfly USB DAC. I am hoping it will work fine. This DAC has a volume control in the analog domain that is usually controlled by the Windows operating system. It acts exactly like the regular system volume. With my netbook, I use Griffin's PowerMate as a physical volume control knob. For Linux, the PowerMate works with the Gizmo Deamon. My question is: would the Gizmo Daemon work with the VAMP? I'd love to be able to adjust the volume on the DAC within the VAMP. Thanks! crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I just added another link to a real POGO E02. It costs $2 more but you know what your getting. The Series 4 would work ACCEPT you can't boot from the flash port. So you need to add a USB hub to get another USB port to boot your USB key from. So it costs twice as much, you need a USB hub, and it's half the CPU speed. Not a good deal. agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I ordered the original one from your store last weekend. We'll see what I get. I'll post the results. I'm looking forward to the VAMP project. All items ordered from Vortexbox store. The least I could do. mikeh49's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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On January 11, 2013 agillis agillis.5p0...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote: The p01 has a different processor so it's march harder to get anything working on it. You could hack around on it or just go buy a P02 for $20. Hi agillis, thanks for doing this and especially for documenting it so well! I'm trying to make sense of the various Pogoplug versions.. will what you've done also work on the Series 4? http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms http://www.amazon.com/Pogoplug-Series-Backup-Device-Version/dp/B006I5MKZY/qid=1358354641 From what I can tell this is also ARMv5 though at a lower clock rate and with half the memory. I followed the link from your article to your amazon page, it says that it's the P21 version, but it is actually the E02?? thanks, Greg ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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[I sent this via email earlier but doesn't seem to have appeared, so using the forum interface] agillis wrote: The p01 has a different processor so it's march harder to get anything working on it. You could hack around on it or just go buy a P02 for $20. Hi agillis, thanks for doing this and especially for documenting it so well! I'm trying to make sense of the various Pogoplug versions.. will what you've done also work on the Series 4? http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms http://www.amazon.com/Pogoplug-Series-Backup-Device-Version/dp/B006I5MKZY/qid=1358354641 From what I can tell it is also ARMv5 though at a lower clock rate and with half the memory. I followed the link to buy the Pogoplug from your article to your amazon page, it says that it's the P21 version, but it is actually the E02?? thanks, Greg gregklanderman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Just an FYI...there is a thread over at head-fi that another user is trying the same thing. http://www.head-fi.org/t/645884/simple-low-cost-hifi-network-music-streaming-device Thanks! Dustin dustinsterk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19649 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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paulster wrote: Three questions about it though: 1. Does it support full-speed async USB DACs without a hub, or is it another one of these devices that does? 2. Does is support MOG when you're running a local LMS installation, or is that one of the services that is blocked? 3. Has anybody tested it with an M2Tech hiFace 2 USB-SPDIF interface? I think I've answered question 2 myself. I just tried the SqueezeLite Windows client and MOG won't work with that, so I guess it's not going to fly on the VAMP. That's a real shame as I like to use MOG to listen to albums before buying them. paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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paulster wrote: I think I've answered question 2 myself. I just tried the SqueezeLite Windows client and MOG won't work with that, so I guess it's not going to fly on the VAMP. That's a real shame as I like to use MOG to listen to albums before buying them. odd. I can play MOG on SqueezePlay running on my win7 laptop. So MOG can play to a pure software player (unlike, say, Pandora). garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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paulster wrote: I think I've answered question 2 myself. I just tried the SqueezeLite Windows client and MOG won't work with that, so I guess it's not going to fly on the VAMP. That's a real shame as I like to use MOG to listen to albums before buying them. Did you install an mp3 codec? Squeezelite windows zip does not include libmad.dll or libmpg123.dll. If you use local player plugin then it does install one, otherwise easiest it to extract from the mpg123 download and rename to libmpg123.dll Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: odd. I can play MOG on SqueezePlay running on my win7 laptop. So MOG can play to a pure software player (unlike, say, Pandora). Triode wrote: Did you install an mp3 codec? Squeezelite windows zip does not include libmad.dll or libmpg123.dll. If you use local player plugin then it does install one, otherwise easiest it to extract from the mpg123 download and rename to libmpg123.dll Okay, let's play who failed to RTFM today! I can confirm that SqueezeLite does indeed work perfectly with MOG with the appropriate codec installed. So it's all back to looking good for my use case scenario again. paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Yes the VAMP does play MOG. It can play SiriusXM, Pandora, and Spotify as well. You need a VortexBox to get XM to work (It's a wma stream). agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Great. I'll find out in a few days. Went for the PogoPlug and HA-info U2 to start with, since my DAC can only handle 48kHz over its USB connection even though it's a 96kHz DAC. Then I can look at a better SPDIF interface or a different USB DAC in future. Does this box suffer the async problems that the Pi does, requiring a USB hub for decent asyncronous DACs or is it happy with them direct? paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Also, have you read epoch1970's observations on kernel tweaking and synchronisation performance a few posts about? If there are good settings to get a reliable synchronisation setup as standard then it might be nice to build these into the build image. paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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paulster wrote: No, he didn't. He said it was good but not perfect compared to the Logitech hardware. But he didn't say whether he'd tried tweaking the latency for this player to get it perfect and whether it would then drift, and also said nothing about whether two or more VAMPs will retain perfect sync between them. The hardware players have a resync mechanism built in, and so it would be interesting to know whether the software player also has this. I have tried many things To me this is an extremely complex topic, I've been turning dials at random so let's not consider I have the final say. I wouldn't say it is drifting, it's more like I can't get both to align perfectly on the same tick. I won't try synching 2 sw players, my other Alix is performing its regular job as a router! Yesterday I compiled a linux kernel with real-time extensions. This should be the end of any drifting, according to this OS. After applying this: http://subversion.ffado.org/wiki/IrqPriorities I still can hear some echo. The machine is a bit unstable, I have squeezelite locking up if it is set to a higher priority than SBS (this happens to me on non-RT kernels too), and a high priority SBS means using the web GUI interrupts music So I'm just starting to find out if this setup can perform better than my non-RT one (which works well, as said above.) My kernel is compiled with rt-preempt, 1000Hz tick (tickless disabled), no power management. Uname: Linux prades 2.6.33.7.2-rt30rt-1khz-nopm #1 PREEMPT RT Fri Jan 11 23:54:25 CET 2013 i586 The only shared IRQ is between usb1.1 and usb2.0, and there is no usb1.1 device connected. The audio card is a cheap C-media dongle, this one has usb2 when my regular V-Dac mk 1 doesn't. I invoke squeezelite as this: chrt -f 65 /usr/local/bin/squeezelite-pa -n Prades -b 16384:16384 -o front:CARD=default,DEV=0 -a 10:4 -z 172.17.255.87 (I think you can disregard the -b option, and I'd like to try -a 5:4 next and see if the system can follow.) I am synching an SB3 and the alix, in the same room. The sources are about 5 m apart. Right now I need to recover from the last crash ;) and continue testing on highly syncopated music, but I am almost certain this setup cannot work the same as the hw players. It's getting very, very close, mind you. The value of Triode's contribution is exceptional. But I'm ready to admit we were not giving good people good money for nothing, and that the linux pc-based $30 Transporter is a dream. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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epoch1970 wrote: I have tried many things To me this is an extremely complex topic, I've been turning dials at random so let's not consider I have the final say. I wouldn't say it is drifting, it's more like I can't get both to align perfectly on the same tick. I won't try synching 2 sw players, my other Alix is performing its regular job as a router! Yesterday I compiled a linux kernel with real-time extensions. This should be the end of any drifting, according to this OS. After applying this: http://subversion.ffado.org/wiki/IrqPriorities I still can hear some echo. The machine is a bit unstable, I have squeezelite locking up if it is set to a higher priority than SBS (this happens to me on non-RT kernels too), and a high priority SBS means using the web GUI interrupts music So I'm just starting to find out if this setup can perform better than my non-RT one (which works well, as said above.) My kernel is compiled with rt-preempt, 1000Hz tick (tickless disabled), no power management. Uname: Linux prades 2.6.33.7.2-rt30rt-1khz-nopm #1 PREEMPT RT Fri Jan 11 23:54:25 CET 2013 i586 The RT kernel comes from pengutronix.de, they have debian repos. The only shared IRQ is between usb1.1 and usb2.0, and there is no usb1.1 device connected. The audio card is a cheap C-media dongle, this one has usb2 when my regular V-Dac mk 1 doesn't. I invoke squeezelite as this: chrt -f 65 /usr/local/bin/squeezelite-pa -n Prades -b 16384:16384 -o front:CARD=default,DEV=0 -a 10:4 -z 172.17.255.87 (I think you can disregard the -b option, and I'd like to try -a 5:4 next and see if the system can follow.) I am synching an SB3 and the alix, in the same room. The sources are about 5 m apart. Right now I need to recover from the last lockup ;) and continue testing on highly syncopated music, but I am almost certain this setup cannot work the same as the hw players. I have another SB3 hooked to my V-Dac where squeezelite is located, I can compare easily. It's getting very, very close, mind you. The value of Triode's contribution is exceptional. But I'm ready to admit we were not giving good people good money for nothing, and that the linux pc-based $30 Transporter is a dream. There's a fundamental difference between usb audio and hardware players with tuned device drivers - that is what current delay does alsa report for the device. In the case of the hardware players I believe its well tuned and accurate as Logitech could focus on tuning their own device drivers. In the case of usb-audio it depends on the version of alsa (more recent alsa kernel drivers have more code in this area, but I've not tested) + any buffering in the device which linux will know nothing about. The recent usb-audio code appears to think it knows when the latency is less than 2m and will log otherwise, but I would want to try multiple versions and also there will be an uncertainty due to the device which must do some level of buffering. Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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paulster wrote: The hardware players have a resync mechanism built in, and so it would be interesting to know whether the software player also has this. The resync mechanism is in the server and the player software. I'd expect SqueezeLite to support that, SqueezePlay definitely does. However, this is not the problem at hand here. To work correctly, the resync mechanism relies on an exact information about when a certain sample is to be played. Whether that information is available depends on the audio hardware and the driver architecture. There are two things that can go wrong: 1. There's a constant delay, e.g. because there is a queue to be filled in the audio processing or a constant buffer. This can be compensated by adjusting the delay setting for that player on the server side. 2. (more likely): The audio driver uses a variable buffer and the only information you get is when you fill that buffer. However, the delay between sending a sample to the buffer and actually playing it depends on the size and also the fullness of that buffer so if there's a large (e.g. 1/2 s) buffer and the level to which it fills varies a lot, then you will get very inaccurate timing. A typical reason for something like this is because you want to make sure the playback works without stuttering even though you don't have a real-time thread feeding the audio or because performance is low and time slices are long. I would expect to see more of this on lower powered systems as well as on ones (like Windows) that are not designed for real-time operation. Symptoms in the case of issue #2 would not be a drift but rather an alternating offset between the two sources and a lot of dropped frames due to re-syncing. If it gets too bad the server can bail out completely and stop the resync. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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MarcelG wrote: So, I got the Pogoplug. However, I didn't get the P02, I got the Pro...the P01. And because of that (and mostly because I no nothing about linux) I could not follow through with the instruction you posted on vortexbox.com, as I ran into issues with installing the ./install_uboot_mtd0.sh part So, instead of just ignoring the errors and warnings, I went ahead and installed Arch Linux on it, so that's what I currently have running on it. I think it also installed something similar to the uboot boot manager thing, as I can now boot off into Arch Linux from a memorystick. So, there's a start. But now, I'm completely clueless as to the next steps. I guess I should get audio working (install ALSA ?) And finally I should also Squeezelite...again, how? Anyone have an idea where to get a 2 hour crashcourse in (Arch) Linux (For those occasions when all you have is a SSH terminal, and a great plan to spent those late hours) I feel like an absolute newbie...as if it where the day back in 1985 when as a 7year old I got my hands on my very own Sharp MZ-721 for the first time, completely clueless but oh so intrigued by the blinking cursor. I wrote a 'howto on installing squeezeplug/debian on the pogoplug pro' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=661878postcount=619). You should read from there all the way to post 655 before doing anything. If you're not comfortable with linux then spending $20 for a normal pogoplug, might be the better option. Note that I've never gotten USB audio to work on the pogoplug pro, but it does make a fairly good low powered LMS server with it's 2 CPUs. If you decide to proceed, please post in the squeezeplug thread, not here. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Look Ma, no echo. I've played with the RT kernel described above. SBS and squeezelite are running at normal prio (batch scheduling in RT parlance) and squeezelite is reniced -5, so it comes on top of SBS, but not enough to lock itself up. (Sox and flac are reniced +15 when they run, so they stay below both SBS and squeezelite.) Squeezelite runs with option -a 8:4, I've tried 5:4 but I suspect it creates audible artefacts. The only option I have in snd-usb-audio is aync_unlink=1. Option nrpacks=something-big-or-small is decidedly not my friend. On the IRQ front, the timer has highest RT prio, then ohci_hcd (ie usb2) and I demoted some others. Esp. usb1, aka ehci_hcd. I synched 3 players : - squeezelite: alix+cmedia dongle+aux minijack input to a rotel RA-5 amp - SB3: optical out+V-Dac mk 1+CD inputs to the same amp - SB3: analog out+scandyna SE active speakers (this is my makeshift Boom) The 2 sources are in the same room. The rotel amp has a remote, I can switch input with the flick of a finger. I am unable to make a difference between squeezelite and the SB3 connected to the rotel amp. Sync is just too good. I took issue from the fact the output level between both sources on the amp was not the same (and the V-Dac is better than the C-Media thing :) ), so changing source was making too much difference. After lowering the output level on the SB3, I frankly can't say anymore if squeezelite or the SB3 is playing along with the other SB3. Of course there are some behavioral differences between both kinds of players (SB3 stops to resync, squeezelite seems to stop less / SB3 is immune to CPU load peaks, squeezelite not / crossfade seems a bit different) so you can spot the software player from time to time. My goal is to run SBS+sox+squeezelite on the Alix, and play up to 24/96 audio synched to SB3s, but I am afraid I'm pushing the envelope, here. Putting some extra load on the CPU, like browsing the library while transcoding, SB3s are liable to stop to rebuffer but squeezelite not as much, so the SB3s keep rebuffering while squeezelite plays alone, and finally the SB3s can give up. Stopping all players and restarting one reforms the sync group ok. So, I think finally that an Alix with a good usb2 Dac + squeezelite + RT-Linux can make a truly synchable player. If you're looking for a player/server combo that could transcode for SBs, then there is not enough CPU on the Alix, a more modern platform is needed. Top of the world, Triode. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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This is really promising news. Thanks for doing the work on this. paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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azinck3 wrote: How good is pretty decent? As good as the sync between your Boom and Transporter? In my experience even a slight sync problem can make sync unusable. According to my tests I'd say it performs fine enough for synching across 2 separate rooms. But not exactly enough for 2 sources in the same room. YMMV according to the pc platform you're using, of course. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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epoch1970 wrote: According to my tests I'd say it performs fine enough for synching across 2 separate rooms. But not exactly enough for 2 sources in the same room. that's too bad. I have one situation where there are two players easily heard within the same large room so less than perfect synch would be bad. I have no issues with the current use of SB Hardware players and perfect synch. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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paulster wrote: This looks great, and you certainly can't beat the price! Three questions about it though: 1. Does it support full-speed async USB DACs without a hub, or is it another one of these devices that does? 2. Does is support MOG when you're running a local LMS installation, or is that one of the services that is blocked? 3. Has anybody tested it with an M2Tech hiFace 2 USB-SPDIF interface? I'm going to add a fourth question since sync is being discussed: 4. What's the sync like across multiple VAMP boxes? For instance if I replace my Logitech hardware with a number of these, will they remain in sync like the hardware players do, or can the (obviously different) latency between these and the hardware players be dialled in to get a decent sync with the Logitech players? paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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paulster wrote: I'm going to add a fourth question since sync is being discussed: 4. What's the sync like across multiple VAMP boxes? For instance if I replace my Logitech hardware with a number of these, will they remain in sync like the hardware players do, or can the (obviously different) latency between these and the hardware players be dialled in to get a decent sync with the Logitech players? Have you seen the last few posts? epoch1970 answered this a few posts above yours. azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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No, he didn't. He said it was good but not perfect compared to the Logitech hardware. But he didn't say whether he'd tried tweaking the latency for this player to get it perfect and whether it would then drift, and also said nothing about whether two or more VAMPs will retain perfect sync between them. The hardware players have a resync mechanism built in, and so it would be interesting to know whether the software player also has this. paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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paulster wrote: No, he didn't. He said it was good but not perfect compared to the Logitech hardware. But he didn't say whether he'd tried tweaking the latency for this player to get it perfect and whether it would then drift, and also said nothing about whether two or more VAMPs will retain perfect sync between them. The hardware players have a resync mechanism built in, and so it would be interesting to know whether the software player also has this. Squeezelite implements the resync mechanism. The variation between hardware means there is more variability between the delay the hardware reports to the software. I've not looked at doing any tuning in this area though. Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Triode wrote: Squeezelite implements the resync mechanism. The variation between hardware means there is more variability between the delay the hardware reports to the software. I've not looked at doing any tuning in this area though. That's great. Does that mean on identical hardware (i.e. two PogoPlugs running SqueezeLite) the sync should be pretty much on a par with what the hardware devices would offer then? paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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paulster wrote: That's great. Does that mean on identical hardware (i.e. two PogoPlugs running SqueezeLite) the sync should be pretty much on a par with what the hardware devices would offer then? Not necessarily - the problem is the accuracy of the hardware reporting latency. Don't discount it though - I'm not saying its inaccurate, just that I can't comment on an unknown set of hardware. Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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So, I got the Pogoplug. However, I didn't get the P02, I got the Pro...the P01. And because of that (and mostly because I no nothing about linux) I could follow the instruction you posted on vortexbox.com, as I ran into issues with installing the ./install_uboot_mtd0.sh part So, instead of just ignoring the errors and warnings, I went ahead and installed Arch Linux on it, so that's what I currently have running on it. And now, I'm completely clueless as to the next steps. I guess I should get audio working (install ALSA?) I should also install Squeezelite...again, how? Anyone have an idea where to get a 2 hour crashcourse in (Arch) Linux (For those occasions when all you have is a SSH terminal, and a great plan to spent those late hours) MarcelG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58657 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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The p01 has a different processor so it's march harder to get anything working on it. You could hack around on it or just go buy a P02 for $20. agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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This looks great, and you certainly can't beat the price! Three questions about it though: 1. Does it support full-speed async USB DACs without a hub, or is it another one of these devices that does? 2. Does is support MOG when you're running a local LMS installation, or is that one of the services that is blocked? 3. Has anybody tested it with an M2Tech hiFace 2 USB-SPDIF interface? paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I posted thiis via the email interface on Saturday, but I see that the email - forum connection is broken again, so I'll repeat my comments here. Great project! I ordered the components right after I read this post (PogoPlug and USB DAC). The PogoPlug arrived first, so I did the software install immediately, then finished the setup when the DAC was delivered. VAMP showed up immediately as a player on LMS and iPeng, and it works the same as any headless player. Perhaps I should sell my Duet... -- Bill ftlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5294 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I've been trying to find a Pogoplug POGOP21 (POGO-E02) but it seems those devices are also EOL...? All I can find are Pogoplug Pro's or the newer (and more expensive) V3/V4 Pogoplugs. Is VAMP compatible with those devices ? Alternatively I may jump on the Raspberry Pi train, and hope the USB audio issues will be solved in the near future. A model B V2 (512MB) with 4GB SD card and black/white/transparent case and powersupply is available here in NL for 66. (http://sossolutions.nl/product.php?id_product=9324226) If I leave out the case, and make a nice wooden case out of a cigar box and add a USB DAC while I'm at it I think I'm all set for less than 75 :) Installing Squeezelite on top of XBMC or OpenElec should not be too hard, I guess. :) MarcelG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58657 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Very interesting work. How's the sync performance between these devices? How about sync with hardware SBs? azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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On 1/1/2013 10:15 PM, agillis wrote: There has been a lot of discussion in this forum about a replacement for the SqueezeBox. I worked on this problem over the holiday and I think I came up with a good solution. Using a low cost ARM based system I was able to build a box that basically does everything the SqueezeBox does for under $30. Even a unit with analog and optical/COAX SPDIF out can be built for under $60. http://vortexbox.org/content/149-Logitech-SqueezeBox-replacement-for-under-30 com/mailman/listinfo/discuss Great project! I ordered the components right after I read this post (PogoPlug and USB DAC) and finished the installation when the DAC arrived today. VAMP showed up immediately as a player on LMS and iPeng, and it works the same as any headless Squeezebox. Perhaps I should sell my Duet... I see that the box is running Apache, and I was able to view an audio device status page in my browser. Do you plan to add web control of any of the functions? -- Bill ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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azinck3 wrote: Very interesting work. How's the sync performance between these devices? How about sync with hardware SBs? Sync seems pretty decent with my Boom and Transporter :-) psketch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56555 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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psketch wrote: Sync seems pretty decent with my Boom and Transporter :-) How good is pretty decent? As good as the sync between your Boom and Transporter? In my experience even a slight sync problem can make sync unusable. azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Triode wrote: Can't match $30, but another alternative is the CuBox: http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox One other interesting feature of this device is that it has optical SPDIF out, so may be a good match for non-USB DACs. cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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re: non-USB DAC. I plan to try the VAMP solution with a Turtle Beach USB output card. Total cost less than $60. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036VO4X4/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00 dyohn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5211 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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agillis wrote: As for wifi this would be required to make this a true replacement for the SqueezeBox. No, there's a hell of a lot more than that needed to make this an actual replacement for the Squeezebox. - wifi - display - infrared receiver and remote control - internal DAC - analog out - optical S/PDIF out - coax S/PDIF out This is a DIY project at best. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Triode wrote: Unfortunately that method doesn't work with my dac - setting dwc_otg.speed=1 means it can't connect. For those dacs using less of the usb bus its probably a good step, but I'm hoping they can fully resolve the packet loss issue as without doing so its not really appropriate for hifi dacs (my target) Yes - the Pi -should- be a really good solution. Currently, I'm using HDMI output using the onboard sound card, and it doesn't have any of the poor sound quality issues of the onboard dac, but does seem to be limited to 48K max output. As Triode says, USB Dacs do seem to have some basic packet loss issues at the moment - hopefully they'll fix them. psketch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56555 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JJZolx wrote: No, there's a hell of a lot more than that needed to make this an actual replacement for the Squeezebox. - wifi - display - infrared receiver and remote control - internal DAC - analog out - optical S/PDIF out - coax S/PDIF out This is a DIY project at best. I already have a unit here with - WiFi - DAC - analog out - optical S/PDIF out - coax S/PDIF out The total cost is still way under $100. I also have one with a built in amp and speakers. (boom replacement) I'll be discussing these in future articles. The only two things I don't have is - Display - Infrared receiver and remote control It would be easy to add both of these to the project but it would add anther $130 to the cost!! Since an iPod touch v4 is only $199 why would we want a display or remote? I guess when I say SqueezeBox replacement I'm replacing the SqueezeBox Receiver not the Touch. agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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With the prevelance of iPods, iPhones, and Andriod devices, I think it's reasonable to put forth a squeezebox replacement without a display and rely on another device for the display/control. It seems to be working well for Sonos. The the big issue to solve is configuration - how do you make that not a completely geeky endeavour without the problems that the duet had. maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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maggior wrote: The the big issue to solve is configuration - how do you make that not a completely geeky endeavour without the problems that the duet had. Well thats not to hard use an on-board web-UI or an helper app running on your computer or why not both like my ethernet to ir adapter and ethernet to serial com adapter (itach) . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I just wanted to shout out that I think this is a fantastic initiative to keep the Squeezebox ecosystem alive. The Raspberry Pi already drew my attention but I read that is has some nasty audio quality flukes (in the current Model B version at least), but the pogoplug in combination with a decent USB DAC sounds like a VERY viable plan! Too bad the Pogoplug is so expensive in the Netherlands. Triode and Agillis : keep up the great work!!! BTW ; if the Squeezelite package is picked up by the masses using the pogoplugs, raspberry pi's etc, it might just become the audio equivalent of XBMC. And that means a GREAT future for the Squeezebox ecosystem! MarcelG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58657 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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agillis wrote: The only two things I don't have is - Display - Infrared receiver and remote control It would be easy to add both of these to the project but it would add anther $130 to the cost!! Since an iPod touch v4 is only $199 why would we want a display or remote? I guess when I say SqueezeBox replacement I'm replacing the SqueezeBox Receiver not the Touch. Both IR and display is important to be able to replace my Classic or Touch, the issue is that I currently control them with a Harmony IR remote. The display is easy to solve, I can just place a iPod Touch or Android device in a docking station beside it with one of the available apps always running, it's the IR support which is going to cause me a head ache. In similar fashion the on device controls and displays is really important to be able to replace any of my Squeezebox Radio's. So as you suggest we are probably talking about a Squeezebox Receiver replacement/alternative rather than a generic Squeezebox replacement, but it's definitely good to have an alternative even if it isn't the perfect replacement of all Squeezebox models, so keep up the good work. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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MarcelG wrote: BTW ; if the Squeezelite package is picked up by the masses using the pogoplugs, raspberry pi's etc To reach the masses, you need to put it on the shelves in the local warehouses worldwide, doing that is going to be a completely different challenge and I believe it's also going to require a bit less geeky physical design than what we have seen on the alternatives so far, after all it's a device which non geeks must be willing to place in the center of their living room. Reaching the masses isn't impossible but I think a more realistic goal is to reach a lot of geeks and DIY wannabes on this forum. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Running a Pi with truehl's Squeezeplug for LMS and Triode's Squeezelite via Mini Boombox - sounds great to me - no audio issues. Controllable via Squeezeplay on PC, and Logitech controller app on android. castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
Can't match $30, but another alternative is the CuBox: http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox I got one this morning and the sock firmware will run squeezelite and supports usb audio and async hifi dacs. It's about 3 times the price of the Pi, but its doing what I envisaged Squeezelite could do on an arm like device. Plus there's an hdmi display and ir port which could be made to do something useful too... Anyway if anyone wants an alternative to the SBT with async usb support which supports mmap alsa (which gets the best our of squeezelite) then this looks an option for a roll your own squeezelite box. As with the Pi its really targeted at developers rather than end users so is really only showing what a diy solution could give. Note for people who followed EDO on the SBT forum: it needs an external high speed hub if you have an async usb audio class 1 dac. [looks like the missing silicon in the Pi is common on embedded arms - they don't support full speed async dacs correctly without a hub] Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
An alternative is cubieboard ( http://www.cubieboard.org and can bought from here http://www.aliexpress.com/store/all-wholesale-products/511685.html ) but unlike cubox no nice enclosure but much cheaper US$49 and has 1Gb RAM and a SATA disk interface. I got one before Christmas but haven't had much time to play around with it except to install Linaro. Unfortunately the development community is very small so porting Raspberry Pi solutions to ARM/Linux issuesseems to be common. Cubieboard is based on Allwinner A10 chip which means any software working on cubieboard will also run on the nicer packed A10 based product such as http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Android-4-0-1080P-HD-media-player-Mini-PC-A10-Internet-Smart-Google-TV-Box-IPTV-/320973392919?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Internet_TV_Media_Streamershash=item4abb814c17#ht_3892wt_950 bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
