Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Figure captions in a single line

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Peter,

keep in mind that this frame must accommodate also the translation of the
text into other languages - and the translations are usually longer than
the original (at least in Slovenian they usually are).
So the solution must offer some flexibility for (even) longer translations
...

Lp, m.

V V tor., 14. jun. 2022 ob 10:29 je oseba Peter Schofield <
psaut...@gmail.com> napisala:

> I am updating the chapter template for the LO user guide chapters and I am
> trying to solve a problem on figure captions that was raised by Olivier.
>
> How do you expand the width off a figure frame without changing the
> existing width and height of the image?
>
> In other words, I am trying to make the frame surrounding an image wider
> than the image itself so that a figure caption is on one line.
>
> I have tried several ways by changing frame properties, but as yet no
> access.
>
> Does anyone have a solution that would be easy for everybody to use?
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Future method for users to report errors in guides?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

You raise an important issue, Jean.

There should be some other very easy way. These are not programmers, they
are not used to filling in bug reports.

What about having a special simple "post" report-form that would be
moderated and only true reports would be then forwarded to the new
discussion system - with some kind of confirmation to the reporter?
There could be a drop-down with a list of entities the bug refers to (UI,
help, wiki, guides) and a text field to describe the error (and a possibly
a field with http of page reference).

It would simplify the process for the reporter (i.e a user) and add some
load to the moderator, yes. The moderator could then forward the report
(with additional info) as a bug report into bugzilla, as well.

If this is all overhead, then we should generate a mail account, like
report.err...@documentation.libreoffice.org and users should write an
e-mail describing the problem they found. The moderator would the forward
them to the new list.

Lp, m.

V V pet., 3. jun. 2022 ob 03:32 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> IMO requiring someone to get a login just to report an error is not
> user-friendly at all. In fact, I would describe it as user-hostile.
> There must be another (better) way.
>
> Jean
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 7:25 AM Olivier Hallot
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Jean
> >
> > We will have to update the feedback link to the forum.
> >
> > It will be necessary to get a login.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Olivier
> > Note: the documentation forum link will be announced later.
> >
> >
> > Em 02/06/2022 17:16, Jean Weber escreveu:
> > > After the documentation list moves to its new forum, how will users be
> > > advised to report errors in the guides? Currently the copyright pages
> > > direct users to this (docs) mailing list. They do not need to
> subscribe to
> > > do so.
> > >
> > > Jean
> > >
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice 7.4

[Martin Srebotnjak]

The LO74a1 is coming out probably next week (was officially scheduled May
9-15), and its builds are already available on the dev-builds website:
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/

See also : https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/7.4

Lp, m.

V V ned., 22. maj 2022 ob 12:10 je oseba Peter Schofield 
napisala:

> Is there a link available to download LO 7.4, or is too early for a usable
> 7.4 version?
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Bug 135501 - Change the default UI

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello, Peter,

Regarding the Touch Bar:
- if I buy a computer with it (and spend more money), I expect it to bring
much joy to the use of my new laptop;
- if I am not satisfied with the Bar, I cannot remove it physically from
the computer, it stands there and lights up every once in a while,
reminding me how well I spent my money;
- I could use the 30-day money-back guarantee option, but that one might
not be available in my region (and requires some additional effort and
potentially even cost on my side).

Regarding the LO UI-type change:
- I haven't spent any money on the new UI, it is already present in
previous versions, maybe I even played with it before (or have it enabled)
and it is already described in all of the documentation;
- if I do not like the new interface, I can switch back to the old one (OK,
some users with basic computer knowledge might have a problem with that, so
they need to be assisted in some way by a wizard or some UI tool);
- *if I am not mistaken* - this would only change for users without a user
profile, i.e. without previous versions of LO installed - all others would
get the UI they used with the old/previous version of LO? So if they are
not used to LO and come from MSO, the notebookbar might seem a more logical
choice for starting the software for the first time.

Of course, there will be users fighting about which UI is better, but ... de
gustibus non disputandum est.

Lp, m.

V V sob., 21. maj 2022 ob 11:22 je oseba Peter Schofield 
napisala:

> Hello Martin
>
> I understand your thoughts and do agree that things must move on. However,
> the idea of having a Notebookbar UI does worry me a little.
>
> Apple brought out a Touch Bar on some of the Macs, which was a physical
> option not software, but software was involved. Apple are now rethinking
> the Touch Bar, according to the news pundits, and it may be completely
> dropped because it was not all that successful. Using this reasoning, I
> think that a Notebookbar UI may also not be that successful.
>
> The Standard UI is great to use.
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>
> On 21 May 2022, at 11:14, Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I do not know about the future, but the TDF board should inform the teams
> (esp. the documentation team) at least one version prior of such a change
> (if being planned for 7.5/(=8.0?), the LO teams should be informed by the
> time of the 7.4 release) - so everyone can prepare accordingly (maybe the
> Documentation team will then decide to not work on 7.4 guides but start
> rewriting the online help and the chapters of the guides for 7.5/8.0 with
> that change in mind - the default gui does not change the functionality
> itself, just its accessibility and requires many changed screenshots in
> guides, so a lot of work can be done even before 7.5a1 is available, even
> today).
>
> And another thing - there will be a lot of opposition to such a change -
> so maybe when released - there should be a guide/wizard at the first start
> of the suite to offer and explain/visualize the *two* (not 6 or 8) options
> - classic vs. notebookbar. But I can't even imagine the fuss this would
> create with help content and documentation, always mentioning the two
> possibilities when describing the access to toolbar icons/items ...
>
> Peter, I understand you - but I think it is inevitable that such a change
> would come. And many changes to documentation as well.
>
> Lp, m.
>
> V V sob., 21. maj 2022 ob 09:48 je oseba Peter Schofield <
> psaut...@gmail.com> napisala:
>
>> I keep getting messages about "Bug 135501 - Change the default UI” which
>> has raised a question for me and would like some opinion on this.
>>
>> Being one of the volunteers writing the user guides, would it mean that I
>> have to completely update and change the user guides to suit a Notebookbar
>> UI ???
>>
>> I would like more information on this change to the UI so that I know
>> what is going to happen. The comments in the bug report do not really help.
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Schofield
>> psaut...@gmail.com
>> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Bug 135501 - Change the default UI

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,

I do not know about the future, but the TDF board should inform the teams
(esp. the documentation team) at least one version prior of such a change
(if being planned for 7.5/(=8.0?), the LO teams should be informed by the
time of the 7.4 release) - so everyone can prepare accordingly (maybe the
Documentation team will then decide to not work on 7.4 guides but start
rewriting the online help and the chapters of the guides for 7.5/8.0 with
that change in mind - the default gui does not change the functionality
itself, just its accessibility and requires many changed screenshots in
guides, so a lot of work can be done even before 7.5a1 is available, even
today).

And another thing - there will be a lot of opposition to such a change - so
maybe when released - there should be a guide/wizard at the first start of
the suite to offer and explain/visualize the *two* (not 6 or 8) options -
classic vs. notebookbar. But I can't even imagine the fuss this would
create with help content and documentation, always mentioning the two
possibilities when describing the access to toolbar icons/items ...

Peter, I understand you - but I think it is inevitable that such a change
would come. And many changes to documentation as well.

Lp, m.

V V sob., 21. maj 2022 ob 09:48 je oseba Peter Schofield 
napisala:

> I keep getting messages about "Bug 135501 - Change the default UI” which
> has raised a question for me and would like some opinion on this.
>
> Being one of the volunteers writing the user guides, would it mean that I
> have to completely update and change the user guides to suit a Notebookbar
> UI ???
>
> I would like more information on this change to the UI so that I know what
> is going to happen. The comments in the bug report do not really help.
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Cleaning the GS Guide 73 files

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

In the previous months I have asked several times for the cleanup of the GS
Guide for LO73 odt files to start translating them.

Could someone please take care of that task?

Lp, m.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation Team Meeting Minutes March 31st 2022 at 18:00 UTC.

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Please, next time discuss the issue of not cleaning the odt files, which is
stopping the l10n process of guides.
Therefore none of the 7.3 guides is yet "completed".

Lp, m.

V V pet., 1. apr. 2022 ob 00:23 je oseba Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> Documentation Team Meeting Minutes March 31st 2022 at 18:00 UTC.
>
> Presents: Olivier, Dave, Steve
>
> Telegram-group
> https://t.me/joinchat/ALeRuUFCxyZY0wzoddldWQ
>
> TDF Jitsi
> https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/tdfdocteam
>
> Completed items:
>
> Pending items:
>
> Activities (recap)
>
>  Ongoing work
>  Review draft Calc Guide chapters
>  Review Base guide
>  Review draft Draw / Impress chapters
>  Review Calc function wiki pages
>  Address problems with Help (Olivier)
>
> News:
>  + LibreOffice 7.3.2 released today (3/31/2022)
>
> Topics and Discussion:
>
> Code Colorizing:
>  [3/31 - VN]: -
> As the developer community uses Writer and Impress to communicate code
> snippets with their peers, code highlighting or colorizing is a
> beneficial feature.
> Enhancing existing features in Writer (Styles -> Source Text) to include
> colorizing and indentation can be the starting point. However, this
> requires UI and Engineering team to take it forward.
>  + Base guide need more attention on accuracy rather than color code
> (SF)
>  + Code colorizing is an nice addition (all)
>
> Release Notes:
>  [3/31 - VN]:
> Including the experimental features in the release notes will be helpful
> for the authors and reviewers. Is there a possibility to include these
> items in the release notes?
>   + Remind developers to list experimental modes in release notes
>
> + Do the team wish to change the documentation development workflow and
> adopt this macro process?
>   + covered in the code colorizing topic
>
> * Guides error/mistake report (OH)
> + Need a better way to let readers report mistakes and errors.
>+ Mailing List ?
>+ Bugzilla ?
>+ Redmine ?
>+ Ask (aka Discourse)?
> + We need to clearly inform user where to report (e.g. in the Preface)
>   + Ask Advise to experts
>   + Nextcloud app for tracking issues?
>
> Some reports followed in Bugzilla:
> * 145916 – Writer Guide confuses AutoText with Macro
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145916
> * 145917 – Getting Started Guide, Chapt 13 on Macro: confusing,
> repetitive, and not well organized
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145917
> * 148254 – User guide: text referring to wrong field in English LO7.2
> Base Guide
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148254
>
> Meeting ajourned
> Next meeting : *THURSDAY* April 14th 2022 at 18:00 UTC.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide 7.3 published

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

V sob., 26. mar. 2022 ob 21:01 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

>
> The chapter and book files also need to be “cleaned” using that Python
> script.
>

The same goes for the GS 7.3 guide and its chapters, otherwise localization
cannot start.

Lp, m.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 7.3 published

[Martin Srebotnjak]

I am asking who will finish the publication of 7.3 guide, the last step is
to clean the document and to prepare it for l10n into other languages and
as a basis for further GS updates (7.4, 8.0, ...) so that errors don't
expand and so that the l10n is made easier.
It is one of the needed phases also described in the publication guide.
But it always seems to get forgotten.

I just need it to start the l10n of GS73 into Slovenian.

Lp, m.

V V tor., 15. mar. 2022 ob 13:59 je oseba flywire 
napisala:

> Check template orphan paragraph and before/after paragraph spacing in
> general. There is a formatting issue with the template shown by the heading
> at the bottom of
>
> https://documentation.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/Documentation/en/GS7.3/GS73-GettingStarted.pdf#page=258
>
>
> V V tor., 22. feb. 2022 ob 16:16 je oseba Martin Srebotnjak <
> mi...@filmsi.net> napisala:
> >
> > > Could now someone please clean the final chapter files + whole guide?
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 7.3 published

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,

V V tor., 22. feb. 2022 ob 16:16 je oseba Martin Srebotnjak <
mi...@filmsi.net> napisala:

> Could now someone please clean the final chapter files + whole guide?
> Olivier, could you please make a 7.3 GS odm file for automatic book
> generation of translated guides?
>

anyone working on this?

Thanks, m.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 7.3 published

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

great!

Could now someone please clean the final chapter files + whole guide?

Olivier, could you please make a 7.3 GS odm file for automatic book
generation of translated guides?

Thanks,
Martin

V V tor., 22. feb. 2022 ob 12:28 je oseba Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> Hello Jean, Kees, Dev, Peter
>
> Thanks you for this wonderful job.
>
> I have updated the documentation pages at
>
> https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/
> and
> https://books.libreoffice.org/en/
>
> I'll soon convert it into online/html.
>
> Kind regards
> Olivier
>
> Em 22/02/2022 03:45, Jean Weber escreveu:
> > ODTs of all chapters, and the full book, of Getting Started 7.3 are in
> > the Published folder on NextCloud. Status spreadsheet is updated.
> > I did some final formatting fixes (such as making sure the first
> > numbered list in each chapter was explicitly set to restart at 1), so
> > if you are taking copies of published chapters, you may wish to get
> > the final versions.
> > Full book PDF is on NextCloud. I will produce and upload chapter PDFs
> > soon, and then add the book to the Pubs page on the wiki.
> > Thanks to those who reviewed chapters.
> >
> > Jean
> >
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] MacOS info for all books

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello, Peter,

V V tor., 25. jan. 2022 ob 09:56 je oseba Peter Schofield <
psaut...@gmail.com> napisala:

>
> • Should the Options command menu path be treated the same way in the
> guides' texts (Options-win/linux-path (macOS Options-macos-path)?
> The options shortcut modifier will be treated the same as the command
> modifier, for example Alt+Shift+F5 (macOS ⎇+Shift+F5) (cannot get the Apple
> Alt symbol to appear in my mail program. It is the other way up on the
> keyboard).
>

I was probably not clear ansdprecise enough about the "Settings" menu
command (under the "LibreOffice" menu on macOS and not under the "Options"
menu) - that was my question. Settings path appears a lot of times in the
guides to point the user to the appropriate function settings - so should
it be treated the same way as shortcuts (with something like "(under
LibreOffice menu on macOS)" appearing n-times in the guides) ...

Lp, m.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] MacOS info for all books

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

I propose to discuss this and decide on a solution for all the guides and
all the writers, via the list and/or the documentation team weekly meeting.

And then to document the approach in the documentation-writing
guidelines/guide.

The questions that pop to my mind:

   - How often do such combinations appear in the guides, i.e.
   "win/linux-shortcut (macOS mac-shortcut)"?
   - Would this not render the text less readable, comprehensive?
   - If the string "Ctrl-C (macOS Cmd+C)" appears 10 times in the same
   guide - is that OK?
   - Does this impact the accessibility of the guides in any way (lots of
   text in brackets)?
   - Does this make the "Using LibreOffice on macOS" table redundant -
   except for the Options command menu path?
   - Should the Options command menu path be treated the same way in the
   guides' texts (Options-win/linux-path (macOS Options-macos-path)?

Lp, m.

V V pon., 24. jan. 2022 ob 09:42 je oseba Peter Schofield <
psaut...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Hello Jean
>
> I have started to add macOS keyboard shortcuts to user guides. For example
> “Use the keyboard shortcut Ctrl+F5 (macOS ⌘+F5)"
>
> Also I have added a couple of lines to the table for “Using LibreOffice on
> macOS” and these are as follows:
>
> Right-click Ctrl+click and/or right-click depending on
> computer setup   Opens a context menu
>
> Ctrl or Control ⌘ and/or Cmd or Command, depending on keyboard
>   Used with other keys
>
> Alt ⎇ and/or Alt or Option depending on
> keyboardUsed with other keys
>
> I put the keyboard info in because I do have several Apple keyboards and
> the differences are there.
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>
> > On 23 Jan 2022, at 00:46, Jean Weber  wrote:
> >
> > In the WG and GS, I am adding a row to the table about "Using LO on
> > macOS" and I suggest this be added in all books.
> > Between the row for Ctrl (Control) and the row for F11, insert:
> > Alt⌥ (Option)  Used with other keys
> >
> > Here is the latest info for macOS regarding JRE. Previous versions of
> > GS and WG had info that is now out of date, and Base doesn't seem to
> > have anything about macOS; I don't remember which of the other books
> > mention this.
> >
> > For macOS, you need to install Oracle’s Java Development Kit (JDK),
> > not just the Java Runtime Environment (JRE). Download links can be
> > found at: https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/downloads/#jdk17-mac
> >
> > Jean
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draft chapters for Getting Started 7.3

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

Peter, it would be great if you could update both chapters for the GS
guide, so that the project can move forward as it is the basic guide in the
series.

Lp, m.

V V čet., 13. jan. 2022 ob 09:13 je oseba Peter Schofield <
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> I have started updating the Impress Guide to 7.3. So far it looks like it
> will be reasonably easy to update with minimal changes.
>
> I am presuming the Draw Guide to 7.3 will be the same.
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
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>
> > On 13 Jan 2022, at 06:32, Jean Weber  wrote:
> >
> > I have put ten chapters of GS 7.3 on NextCloud. Tracked changes. Ready
> for
> > review. Status spreadsheet updated. I’m sure I’ve missed something, so
> > please review carefully.
> >
> > Other chapters (including Calc, Draw, Impress, Base) should probably be
> > updated by other people, but I suspect not much is needed - 7.3 seems to
> be
> > mostly behind-the-scenes improvements or details best left to the
> component
> > guides.
> >
> > Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] macOS user guide

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello, Peter,

maybe all this needs to be first discussed thoroughly before a lot of work
is instilled into adding things into the current form of the guide(s).
So I suggest to first have a consensus of the Doc Team about this.

Best regards,
m.

V V čet., 6. jan. 2022 ob 12:40 je oseba Peter Schofield 
napisala:

> Appendix A Keyboard Shortcuts and Appendix B Toolbars for the Draw Guide
> 7.2 do have keyboard shortcuts for macOS included.
>
> When I start the Impress Guide 7.3, I will look at the printing and
> inclusion of the macOS print dialogs into the user guide.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO 7.2 Writer Guide macOS edition

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Ilmari,

just to make sure I understand correctly - you want to change all the help
strings that have these switches and so they will appear untranslated or
fuzzy and translators of l10n teams will have to manually check and
(re)translate them (130 teams * hundreds/thousands of strings)?

Lp, m.

V V ned., 2. jan. 2022 ob 19:39 je oseba Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> On 2.1.2022 20.27, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>  > Ilmari, could you please elaborate: what do you intend to patch
> regarding
>  > the help build?
>
> Ignoring these so everything is written for every OS:
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Understanding,_Authoring_and_Editing_Openoffice.org_Help/3#switch
>
> The current approach with operating system parameters also causes
> technical issues (JavaScript redirect needed to view Help to begin with).
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO 7.2 Writer Guide macOS edition

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Jean et.. al.,

I took a look at the complete pdf and it looks good. As a macOS user I
would prefer this guide than the Linux/Windows-oriented "generic" guide ...

I do see where Jean is trying to help the user (which is what documentation
is about) - macOS users are a bit left out by using guides where there is a
small note on the bottom of page 3 and then the keys not marked on their
keyboard are mentioned more than 100 times throughout the book. That is
very user-unfriendly. Now, geeks know about these keys and might not even
need such a basic, GS guide. But we are talking about users needing these
guides - i.e. not familiar with the concept of an office suite, editing
documents, creating slides, adding formulas to sheets, printing ...

I also see what the others replied - but I do not see this as a problem for
the documentation project - this is a special guide, it can be published
alongside the main guides (and if there will not be time and will for new
ones - the will just not be there). So we could simply add a section to the
documentation site where this could be published. It would not mess with
the line of "official", "generic" guides, yet it would serve a specific
public. "Special guides", "Dedicated guides", "Guide incubator", etc.

From the download numbers and the publishing orders one would be able to
assess if such guides make sense in the long run for the documentation team
and if they can be made more automatically from the "generic" guides.

Another possibility would be to add a specific appendix for macOS users
about printing to all the GS guides. Others have mentioned in this thread
that this is the real difference between the OS', yet no one proposed any
solution to this gap in usability of the guides - don't the macOS users
deserve proper printing instructions in the GS guides?

To sum it up: can't we support Jean's effort, make a difference with the
"regular" guides in presenting it to the public and base our decision on
the success of the guide?

Ilmari, could you please elaborate: what do you intend to patch regarding
the help build?

Happy 2022,
Martin


V V ned., 2. jan. 2022 ob 13:18 je oseba Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> On 2.1.2022 13.44, Olivier Hallot wrote:
> > Em 02/01/2022 06:38, flywire escreveu:
> >> On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 1:09 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
> >>
> >>> ... Would the team like to have this book as part of the documentation
> >>> set? I am unlikely to update it very often, and I am unlikely to
> >>> produce a macOS edition of any other books except possibly the Getting
> >>> Started Guide - if I have time.
> >>>
> >>
> >> There should be a better way to meet the needs of mac users than a macOS
> >> edition in
> >> https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/.
> >> Other applications manage to produce one set of docs for different
> >> OSs, even if linux screenshots look a bit strange to say Windows
> >> users. It
> >> will leave mac users with a general feeling of discontent there are no
> >> current guides for their application/language. I suggest it should be
> >> independent of current guides and the documents should be reviewed in
> the
> >> context of better meeting macOS needs.
> >>
> >> The whole guide preparation process is pretty impressive. Maybe
> >> OS-specific
> >> keys and screenshots could be scripted in future guides for custom
> >> editions
> >> but I doubt it is justified.
> >>
> >
> > If we add a control variable that hides or show sections/paragraphs
> > depending on the OS, documents will go into a very complex and fragile
> > management scheme where mistakes (e.g. deletion of a controlled
> > paragraph) are easily introduced and unnoticed. Debugging a long
> > document like our guides will be unpleasant at best.
> >
> > Technically speaking, LibreOffice has all tools for document management
> > (version control, fields, track-changes...) but our team must get used
> > to and it is also a entry barrier for newcomers.
> >
> > The Help has a control scheme (, ) for macOS where
> > Ctrl key is changed to Command key and the menu "Tools-Option" is
> > changed to "LibreOffice - Preferences". Those are 99.99% of all
> > differences in Help between OS versions.
>
> In the future I will try a Help build patch where the
> switch/switchinline are ignored. I suggest to add the macOS-specific
> information into the guides rather than produce separate guides.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Math Guide 7.2 print edition

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello, Jean et. al.,

thanks for taking care of this guide. Just the blog announcement is missing
now ...

Lp, m.

V V tor., 21. dec. 2021 ob 20:57 je oseba Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> HI Jean, All
>
> I have updated the documentation website with the latest publications
> https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/
>
> Kind regards
> Olivier
>
> Em 20/12/2021 22:54, Jean Weber escreveu:
> > Print edition is available at the URL below. This completes
> > publication of the Math Guide 7.2. Wiki Publications page has been
> > updated. Over to Olivier to update the website.
> >
> https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/libreoffice-72-math-guide/paperback/product-gkpz7z.html
> >
> > Jean
> >
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translation status update for Calc function wiki articles

[Martin Srebotnjak]

The problem is that Calc help content now links to wiki for additional
information about the functions (and will probably in the end link to all
function descriptions there), so wiki is becoming a part of LO help (which
is problematic for organizations/companies that do not want/approve
accessing external content on the Internet for the sole use of an office
suite).

Lp, m.

V V pon., 13. dec. 2021 ob 09:35 je oseba Kevin Suo 
napisala:

> In my opinion, those lengthy Funtions docs should be included in the
> online/builtin help. If the current Help is not complete/accurate or is
> missing examples, then we should revise the Help, not putting then in a new
> Wiki. It is fine the Calc guide can reference to the Online Help.
>
> For us, our Simplified Chinese team only have very few people doing the
> translation and we simply have no time translating the wiki, especially if
> the content is duplicated.
>
>
>
>
> 于 2021年12月13日 GMT+08:00 下午1:26:03, Ilmari Lauhakangas <
> ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> 写到:
> >All of the three forms of documentation serve a different purpose.
> >Quoting from the Season of Docs summary:
> >
> >"The Calc Guide for LibreOffice release 6.2 contained a lengthy appendix
> >(70 pages) devoted to the 500+ functions available in Calc, providing a
> >shallow list of the functions and their arguments. During the update of
> >the document for release 6.4 in 2019, the Documentation Team agreed that
> >it would be better to move this list to an online service, and as part
> >of this move, to enhance the function descriptions by adding more
> >examples, use cases and collateral information on standards,
> >compatibility and more."
> >
> >Ilmari
> >
> >On 13.12.2021 2.17, Kevin Suo wrote:
> >> We have the help for functions in our online/builtin help, and then we
> >> have this wiki, and as far as I know we also have the Calc Guide - are
> >> they the same or similar content?
> >>
> >>
> >> 于 2021年12月13日 GMT+08:00 上午12:57:43, Ilmari Lauhakangas
> >>  写到:
> >>
> >> I have completed translation structure optimisations for the Calc
> >> function wiki articles, which were marked for translation
> prematurely in
> >> 2020. The articles in question were the mathematical functions and a
> >> couple of database functions. The work was coordinated with Steve
> >> Fanning, who let me know when the articles had been reviewed for
> content
> >> correctness.
> >>
> >> This means that all translatable Calc function articles are now
> safe to
> >> translate!
> >>
> >> You can find them by searching for 'Calc Functions' on this page:
> >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation  <
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation>
> >>
> >> The full list of Calc function articles is here:
> >>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions
> <
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions
> >
> >>
> >> Numerous painstaking optimisations were made to minimise the amount
> of
> >> work for translators.
> >>
> >> I will continue making reviewed articles translatable (currently
> 142 in
> >> the todo-list).
> >>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Release Notes 7.3 wiki page errors

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Well, Rafael,

the page now reports that it contains changes that cannot be marked for
translation, which is also not good. All content should be made
translatable.

Lp, m.

V V tor., 23. nov. 2021 ob 14:27 je oseba Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> Sure, it's not a big deal, but the right way to fix it would have been
> to just remove the marker entirely and not rename the number :)
>
> Ilmari
>
> On 23.11.2021 15.05, Rafael Lima wrote:
> > Hi Martin and Ilmari,
> >
> > Yesterday I edited the Release Notes for LO 7.3 and accidentally
> duplicated
> > entry 263. This was the only one I edited and now it is fixed.
> >
> > I did not check if there are any other duplicate IDs though.
> >
> > Rafael
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 8:32 AM Martin Srebotnjak 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Helo, Ilmari,
> >>
> >> I did not mess with translation markes, I do not know who did it.
> >> I just found that the page needs to be checked for translation since it
> had
> >> updates and the wiki system returned an error.
> >>
> >> Lp, m.
> >>
> >> V V tor., 23. nov. 2021 ob 07:05 je oseba Ilmari Lauhakangas <
> >> ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> napisala:
> >>
> >>> On 22.11.2021 22.54, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> just want to report, the wiki page
> >>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/7.3
> >>>> has errors (the name of the translation unit 263 has several
> instances)
> >>> and
> >>>> thus cannot be marked for translation in the latest version.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please fix this and mark the latest version available for translation.
> >>>
> >>> This has been fixed. When editing the wiki, translation markers should
> >>> not be manually added as they are created automatically, when you mark
> a
> >>> page for translation. They can be deleted alongside content that you
> >>> remove.
> >>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Release Notes 7.3 wiki page errors

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Helo, Ilmari,

I did not mess with translation markes, I do not know who did it.
I just found that the page needs to be checked for translation since it had
updates and the wiki system returned an error.

Lp, m.

V V tor., 23. nov. 2021 ob 07:05 je oseba Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> On 22.11.2021 22.54, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > just want to report, the wiki page
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/7.3
> > has errors (the name of the translation unit 263 has several instances)
> and
> > thus cannot be marked for translation in the latest version.
> >
> > Please fix this and mark the latest version available for translation.
>
> This has been fixed. When editing the wiki, translation markers should
> not be manually added as they are created automatically, when you mark a
> page for translation. They can be deleted alongside content that you
> remove.
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[libreoffice-documentation] Release Notes 7.3 wiki page errors

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

just want to report, the wiki page
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/7.3
has errors (the name of the translation unit 263 has several instances) and
thus cannot be marked for translation in the latest version.

Please fix this and mark the latest version available for translation.

Lp, m.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Math Guide for 7.x?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

From my experience localizing the chapters of GS and the Math guide in
OmetgaT: the Math guide is very similar to Math chapter in GS guide (it is
only extended in some parts) - but GS chapter got thoroughly revised by the
reviewers (regarding wording) from 7.0 (I think), while the Math guide
remained the same.
So it would be great to see the differences from 7.2 Math GS chapter and
the 7.0 Math guide - IMHO, that would be the first step for an updater.

Lp,m.

V V pon., 22. nov. 2021 ob 11:40 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> Is anyone updating the Math Guide for 7.x? The last time I looked at a
> published copy, I noticed some formatting problems in some of the tables
> that I’d  be happy to fix before a new edition is published, if someone
> else doesn’t fix them first.
>
> Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress 7.2 Guide chapter logos

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Thanks for noticing, Jean.

I think they should be replaced, yes, to be in line with all the Community
editions of the software they refer to.

Lp, m.

V V sob., 20. nov. 2021 ob 05:21 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> Peter, Olivier, and team--
>
> Apologies for not noticing this before, but the title pages in each of
> the Impress 7.2 Guide chapter files and each chapter in the compiled
> book have the old logo, without the word "Community".
>
> Olivier, should these be changed to the new logo for the PDFs and
> source files? I will do so for the printed copies.
>
> Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide 7.2 layout comments

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello, Peter,

why do you not take Jean's files? This way there will be no difference
between them, otherwise some errors might persist or new can be introduced
...

Lp, m.

V V pet., 19. nov. 2021 ob 11:03 je oseba Peter Schofield <
psaut...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Hello Jean
>
> I am checking all my Impress files against your review comments.
>
> Thanks
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>
> > On 19 Nov 2021, at 10:44, Jean Weber  wrote:
> >
> > When you check the rest of your messages, you will see I’ve done the
> updates and some other work.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 at 18:30 Peter Schofield  > wrote:
> > Hello Jean
> >
> > Thanks for the review. Will now correct my copies.
> >
> > Regards
> > Peter Schofield
> > psaut...@gmail.com 
> > Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
> >
> > > On 19 Nov 2021, at 03:10, Jean Weber  jeanwe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Peter,
> > > Here is what I have found.
> > > On the Copyright page, "Based on LibreOffice 7.2." should say "Based
> > > on LibreOffice 7.2 Community."
> > > Cover pages of Preface and each chapter and appendix use the wrong
> > > page style; should be First Page (so it doesn't have a footer).
> > > On page 11, Table 2, "macOS equivalent" in heading row uses a wrong
> > > font (paragraph or character style); should not be blue.
> > > Page 131: Heading "Color Adjustment" should be "Color adjustment" so
> > > capitalisation matches other headings.
> > > Page 317: There is an extra amount of space under Figure 294, above
> > > the bullet point "Print".
> > > Page 318: URL for extension repository should be https, not http
> > > Page 365: Bad page break at bottom, in Line and Filling toolbar
> section.
> > >
> > > Jean
> > >
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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Help string not caseinlined

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Just to add - I refer to master.

Another not caseinlined help string, in this case for macOS shortcuts:
kdjWP
Returns the address of the smallest area that contains the specified range
so that the area is surrounded by empty cells or sheet edges. This is
equivalent to applying the Ctrl + * shortcut to the
given range.

Please notify the author of the help text so that she/he does not repeat
the error on other strings.

Lp, m.

V V sob., 6. nov. 2021 ob 13:17 je oseba Martin Srebotnjak 
napisala:

> Hello,
>
> the help string JT47J in calc/01.po is not properly caseinline-d:
> This is an experimental feature and is disabled by default. To enable it,
> go to Tools - Options - Advanced  and check the option
> Enable experimental features (may be unstable).
>
> It should have " select="MAC">%PRODUCTNAME -
> PreferencesTools -
> Options – %PRODUCTNAME
> – Advanced" instead of "Tools - Options -
> Advanced".
>
> It also includes double space.
>
> Lp, m.
>

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[libreoffice-documentation] Help string not caseinlined

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

the help string JT47J in calc/01.po is not properly caseinline-d:
This is an experimental feature and is disabled by default. To enable it,
go to Tools - Options - Advanced  and check the option
Enable experimental features (may be unstable).

It should have "%PRODUCTNAME -
PreferencesTools -
Options – %PRODUCTNAME
– Advanced" instead of "Tools - Options -
Advanced".

It also includes double space.

Lp, m.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Calc on macOS

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Steve et. al.,

V V tor., 2. nov. 2021 ob 16:44 je oseba Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> napisala:

>
> > 2. On Windows, the *Help > Search Commands* option in the Menu bar
> > identifies a shortcut for the interaction (that is, Shift+Esc). Is
> > there a corresponding shortcut identified on the macOS variant and,
> > if so, what is it?
>
> I don't see any for macOS. The closest is to press Fn+Ctrl+F2 to
> activate the menu, press left to select Help, then enter to open the
> "Search commands" part. But that's a bit round-the-houses...
>

In Customize > Keyboard LO shows shortcut (Shift+Esc) in the tooltip for
the command "Search Commands", but it does not work on macOS, it might be
for some other OS' and hardcoded in the Help content (instead of being
caseinline-d for different OS').

Lp, m.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Improper use of embedvars in online help content

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Thanks, Rafael.

Regards,
m.


V V tor., 19. okt. 2021 ob 19:03 je oseba Rafael Lima <
rafael.palma.l...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Hi Martin,
>
> It seems you're right... all the strings I checked so far haven't still
> been corrected on master.
>
> Tomorrow I'll publish the fix for the strings you mentioned.
>
> Regards
> Rafael
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 1:36 PM Martin Srebotnjak 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi, Olivier,
> >
> > as I wrote, these errors are in the master, they were on October 15, four
> > days ago (that's the po files I used for my analysis).
> >
> > The ones you fixed are other errors of the same kind that I reported
> > earlied (and then you asked me if I find any more to report here).
> >
> > So - all today reported ones are in the master unless someone changed
> > master in the last few days.
> >
> > Lp, m.
> >
> > V V tor., 19. okt. 2021 ob 16:14 je oseba Olivier Hallot <
> > olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> napisala:
> >
> > > Hi Rafael
> > >
> > > Some of these embed were already fixed 2 weeks ago
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://git.libreoffice.org/help/+/336a1a866e9b84a929e9d4403564e37947a0eba3%5E%21/
> > >
> > > regards
> > > Olivier
> > >
> > > Em 19/10/2021 10:46, Rafael Lima escreveu:
> > > > Hi Martin,
> > > >
> > > > I'll take care of fixing these issues on master.
> > > >
> > > > I was responsible for introducing some of these errors... Now I see
> > that
> > > > this is troublesome for translators and future help pages won't have
> > > these
> > > > embedvars.
> > > >
> > > > Let me know whenever you come across issues like these.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Rafael Lima
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:34 AM Martin Srebotnjak 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>   Hello,
> > > >>
> > > >> for some time now I notice that help writers keep using embedvars to
> > > >> simplify their work. These not only make help unreadable for
> > localizers
> > > >> (and thus prone to errors in localization), but introduce errors, as
> > the
> > > >> use of embedvars in sentences is not allowed for languages with
> cases
> > > (like
> > > >> Slavic languages).
> > > >>
> > > >> I urge online help writers not to use embedvars, even if that means
> > some
> > > >> more spelling out of function and command names. Also, please do
> > include
> > > >> this warning to any wiki or other documentation for future help
> > > >> contributors, *in bold*.
> > > >>
> > > >> I collected a list of all errors I have found so far (it refers to
> > > master
> > > >> as of October 15). My list is based on an assumption (which might
> not
> > be
> > > >> correct) that it is OK when an embedded link is used standalone, as
> in
> > > >> /helpcontent2/source/text/sbasic/shared.po:
> > > >> #. LDkTk
> > > >> msgid " > > >> href=\"text/sbasic/shared/03/sf_timer.xhp#TimerService\"/>"
> > > >> But the assumption might be wrong for some languages and even mine,
> > > since
> > > >> we are not aware what the referenced string spells out like – this
> > form
> > > >> requires nominative case, but maybe the original string is not in
> > > >> nominative form ... There are plenty of those strings as well,
> > sometimes
> > > >> appearing as the last sentence in a help file string, as a reference
> > at
> > > the
> > > >> end of the help content paragraph.
> > > >>
> > > >> The list includes several occurrences where embedvars are either at
> > the
> > > >> start or end of the string, but do not use a space before/after the
> > > rest of
> > > >> the strings (I added the red comment note to those).
> > > >>
> > > >> Whoever will be fixing these errors in master, please contact the
> > > original
> > > >> authors of the erroneous strings to warn them about these errors, so
> > > they
> > > >> stop doing it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Lp, m.
> > > >>
> > > >> ***
> > > >>

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Improper use of embedvars in online help content

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Olivier,

as I wrote, these errors are in the master, they were on October 15, four
days ago (that's the po files I used for my analysis).

The ones you fixed are other errors of the same kind that I reported
earlied (and then you asked me if I find any more to report here).

So - all today reported ones are in the master unless someone changed
master in the last few days.

Lp, m.

V V tor., 19. okt. 2021 ob 16:14 je oseba Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> Hi Rafael
>
> Some of these embed were already fixed 2 weeks ago
>
>
> https://git.libreoffice.org/help/+/336a1a866e9b84a929e9d4403564e37947a0eba3%5E%21/
>
> regards
> Olivier
>
> Em 19/10/2021 10:46, Rafael Lima escreveu:
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> > I'll take care of fixing these issues on master.
> >
> > I was responsible for introducing some of these errors... Now I see that
> > this is troublesome for translators and future help pages won't have
> these
> > embedvars.
> >
> > Let me know whenever you come across issues like these.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rafael Lima
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:34 AM Martin Srebotnjak 
> wrote:
> >
> >>   Hello,
> >>
> >> for some time now I notice that help writers keep using embedvars to
> >> simplify their work. These not only make help unreadable for localizers
> >> (and thus prone to errors in localization), but introduce errors, as the
> >> use of embedvars in sentences is not allowed for languages with cases
> (like
> >> Slavic languages).
> >>
> >> I urge online help writers not to use embedvars, even if that means some
> >> more spelling out of function and command names. Also, please do include
> >> this warning to any wiki or other documentation for future help
> >> contributors, *in bold*.
> >>
> >> I collected a list of all errors I have found so far (it refers to
> master
> >> as of October 15). My list is based on an assumption (which might not be
> >> correct) that it is OK when an embedded link is used standalone, as in
> >> /helpcontent2/source/text/sbasic/shared.po:
> >> #. LDkTk
> >> msgid " >> href=\"text/sbasic/shared/03/sf_timer.xhp#TimerService\"/>"
> >> But the assumption might be wrong for some languages and even mine,
> since
> >> we are not aware what the referenced string spells out like – this form
> >> requires nominative case, but maybe the original string is not in
> >> nominative form ... There are plenty of those strings as well, sometimes
> >> appearing as the last sentence in a help file string, as a reference at
> the
> >> end of the help content paragraph.
> >>
> >> The list includes several occurrences where embedvars are either at the
> >> start or end of the string, but do not use a space before/after the
> rest of
> >> the strings (I added the red comment note to those).
> >>
> >> Whoever will be fixing these errors in master, please contact the
> original
> >> authors of the erroneous strings to warn them about these errors, so
> they
> >> stop doing it.
> >>
> >> Lp, m.
> >>
> >> ***
> >>
> >> */helpcontent2/source/text/sbasic/shared/03.po*
> >>
> >> #. YwSXj#: lib_ScriptForge.xhpmsgctxt
> >> """lib_ScriptForge.xhp\n""par_id1001623412767893\n""help.text"msgid
> >> "To learn more about how to create and execute Python scripts using
> >> the ScriptForge library, read the  >> href=\"text/sbasic/shared/03/sf_intro.xhp#title\"/> help page."
> >> #. ZzngK#: sf_intro.xhpmsgctxt
> >> """sf_intro.xhp\n""par_id31623411828158\n""help.text"msgid "Visit
> >> 
> >> for more information on Python scripting using %PRODUCTNAME."
> >> #. CHr5n#: sf_session.xhpmsgctxt
> >> """sf_session.xhp\n""par_id751626817335715\n""help.text"msgid "Read
> >> the help page  >> href=\"text/sbasic/python/python_locations.xhp#pythonlocations1\"/> to
> >> learn more about where Python scripts can be stored."
> >> */helpcontent2/source/text/sbasic/shared.po*#. CWMJG#:
> >> 03030303.xhpmsgctxt
> >> """03030303.xhp\n""par_id491610993401822\n""help.text"msgid "The
> >> Timer function measures time in seconds. To measure
> >> time in milliseconds use the  >> href=\

[libreoffice-documentation] Improper use of embedvars in online help content

[Martin Srebotnjak]

 Hello,

for some time now I notice that help writers keep using embedvars to
simplify their work. These not only make help unreadable for localizers
(and thus prone to errors in localization), but introduce errors, as the
use of embedvars in sentences is not allowed for languages with cases (like
Slavic languages).

I urge online help writers not to use embedvars, even if that means some
more spelling out of function and command names. Also, please do include
this warning to any wiki or other documentation for future help
contributors, *in bold*.

I collected a list of all errors I have found so far (it refers to master
as of October 15). My list is based on an assumption (which might not be
correct) that it is OK when an embedded link is used standalone, as in
/helpcontent2/source/text/sbasic/shared.po:
#. LDkTk
msgid ""
But the assumption might be wrong for some languages and even mine, since
we are not aware what the referenced string spells out like – this form
requires nominative case, but maybe the original string is not in
nominative form ... There are plenty of those strings as well, sometimes
appearing as the last sentence in a help file string, as a reference at the
end of the help content paragraph.

The list includes several occurrences where embedvars are either at the
start or end of the string, but do not use a space before/after the rest of
the strings (I added the red comment note to those).

Whoever will be fixing these errors in master, please contact the original
authors of the erroneous strings to warn them about these errors, so they
stop doing it.

Lp, m.

***

*/helpcontent2/source/text/sbasic/shared/03.po*

#. YwSXj#: lib_ScriptForge.xhpmsgctxt
"""lib_ScriptForge.xhp\n""par_id1001623412767893\n""help.text"msgid
"To learn more about how to create and execute Python scripts using
the ScriptForge library, read the  help page."
#. ZzngK#: sf_intro.xhpmsgctxt
"""sf_intro.xhp\n""par_id31623411828158\n""help.text"msgid "Visit

for more information on Python scripting using %PRODUCTNAME."
#. CHr5n#: sf_session.xhpmsgctxt
"""sf_session.xhp\n""par_id751626817335715\n""help.text"msgid "Read
the help page  to
learn more about where Python scripts can be stored."
*/helpcontent2/source/text/sbasic/shared.po*#. CWMJG#:
03030303.xhpmsgctxt
"""03030303.xhp\n""par_id491610993401822\n""help.text"msgid "The
Timer function measures time in seconds. To measure
time in milliseconds use the ."
#. Yy5Eh#: 03120102.xhpmsgctxt
"""03120102.xhp\n""par_id111552916434071\n""help.text"msgid ", when VBA
compatibility mode is enabled and expression is greater than 255."
*/helpcontent2/source/text/scalc/01.po*#. 2Ditv#:
func_numbervalue.xhpmsgctxt
"""func_numbervalue.xhp\n""par_id351625601754290\n""help.text"msgid
"Refer to the  help page to learn
how to change the format of numbers in a cell."
*/helpcontent2/source/text/scalc/guide.po*#. FrQEr#:
numbers_text.xhpmsgctxt
"""numbers_text.xhp\n""par_id111567772433803\n""help.text"msgid "The
text to number conversion can be customized in the  option."
#. XvTTj#: remove_duplicates.xhpmsgctxt
"""remove_duplicates.xhp\n""par_id31630021517873\n""help.text"msgid
"Go to Data - More Filters - Standard Filter.
This opens the  dialog."
#. dzAEu#: table_cellmerge.xhpmsgctxt
"""table_cellmerge.xhp\n""par_id3154020\n""help.text"msgid "Or, choose
Merge
Cells"
#. DbZBM#: table_cellmerge.xhpmsgctxt
"""table_cellmerge.xhp\n""par_id6424146\n""help.text"msgid "Or, choose
Merge
and Center Cells"
#. zBdRG#: table_cellmerge.xhpmsgctxt
"""table_cellmerge.xhp\n""par_id9493087\n""help.text"msgid "Or, choose
Unmerge
Cells."
#. YC7sa#: table_cellmerge.xhpmsgctxt
"""table_cellmerge.xhp\n""par_id561632820960500\n""help.text"msgid
"Or, toggle Merge
and Center Cells"
*/helpcontent2/source/text/scalc.po*#. tdJRk#: main0200.xhpmsgctxt
"""main0200.xhp\n""par_id3148798\n""help.text"msgid "This submenu
lists the toolbars that are available in spreadsheets."Comment: No
space needed? Is the embedded string in 1st case?
*/helpcontent2/source/text/shared/01.po*#. VPwsL#: 05030500.xhpmsgctxt
"""05030500.xhp\n""par_id181630450040456\n""help.text"msgid "Read the
help page  to
learn more on how to define custom line arrangements."
#. cdt69#: 05070200.xhpmsgctxt
"""05070200.xhp\n""par_id3144336\n""help.text"msgid "The vertical
position of the selected objects is not affected by this
command."Comment: no
space needed? Is the embedded strin in 1st case?
#. fqg3X#: 05230100.xhpmsgctxt
"""05230100.xhp\n""par_id591602522244128\n""help.text"msgid " Format -
Text."
#. 3vHeN#: 0604.xhpmsgctxt
"""0604.xhp\n""par_id791632159942582\n""help.text"msgid "To turn
off AutoCorrect in %PRODUCTNAME Writer choose Tools -
AutoCorrect - While Typing. Refer to the help page
 to learn
more about deactivating AutoCorrect in %PRODUCTNAME Writer."
#. cqbQV#: 0604.xhpmsgctxt
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide 7.2

[Martin Srebotnjak]

As with the latest changes to finished 7.2 GS files I urge to not use these
changed files and remain with the previous ones as the changes make the
localization for some languages impossible (it cannot be grammatically
correct in Slavic languages and probably many more).

Lp, m.

V V sre., 8. sep. 2021 ob 23:04 je oseba Steve Fanning <
stevefann...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> Thanks Olivier.
>
> I just wanted to be sure.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 08/09/2021 20:17, Olivier Hallot wrote:
> > Hi Steve
> >
> > Actually I have not reviewed the contents. My initials were set to
> > differentiate from your source, if anything goes wrong.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Olivier
> >
> >
> > Em 08/09/2021 15:21, Steve Fanning escreveu:
> >> Hi Olivier,
> >>
> >> Many thanks for that.
> >>
> >> Does the activity that you carried out count as a first review for
> >> the returned chapters?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >> On 08/09/2021 12:01, Olivier Hallot wrote:
> >>> HI Steve, Team...
> >>>
> >>> I moved all *SF04Sep2021.odt files to the /Archive/ folder
> >>>
> >>> I uploaded *SF_OH07Sep2021.odt files to the WIP folder.
> >>>
> >>> Kind regards
> >>>
> >>> Olivier
> >>>
> >>> Em 07/09/2021 17:37, Steve Fanning escreveu:
>  Hi Olivier,
> 
>  That is intentional.
> 
>  16 and 17 are the two appendices, with both files renumbered to
>  make room for a "real" chapter to be inserted.
> 
>  Chapter 15 is the new chapter requested at last week's team
>  meeting, entitled User Interface Variants. It is in production.
> 
>  Regards,
> 
>  Steve
> 
> 
>  On 07/09/2021 19:27, Olivier Hallot wrote:
> > HI Steve
> >
> > I completed a review of the CG chapters available in WIP folder,
> > but I have not yet uploaded them.
> >
> > I miss Chap 15, and noticed renaming of Chap 16 and 17 with
> > respect to the /archive/ folder. Can you please double check if
> > this is intended?
> >
> > With kind regards
> >
> > Olivier
> >
> > Em 05/09/2021 13:23, Steve Fanning escreveu:
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> I have completed updating all existing chapters for the 7.2 Calc
> >> Guide and these are in NextCloud, ready for review. As discussed
> >> at last Thursday’s Documentation Team meeting, Olivier has kindly
> >> agreed to perform some checking of the files to “clean” them and
> >> make them more suitable for conversion to HTML format. It would
> >> be worth waiting for Olivier to carry out that activity before
> >> any other reviews.
> >>
> >> Also at last week’s team meeting, it was suggested that we add an
> >> extra chapter to the Calc Guide (entitled “User Interface
> >> Variants”), based on Chapter 21 of the latest Writer Guide. I
> >> will produce this new chapter in the coming days and advise all
> >> when it is ready for review.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >> On 26/07/2021 21:50, Steve Fanning wrote:
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>> For information I have added a few additional changes to the
> >>> original list, found by inspecting the illustrations in the
> >>> guide while using the software. These have been included in a
> >>> second version of my note, which can be found in NextCloud at
> >>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/d65q2GHGYJ8Hzft.
> >>>
> >>> Work continues...
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 21/07/2021 16:55, Steve Fanning wrote:
>  All,
> 
>  I have completed a review of the 7.2 Release Notes and collated
>  an initial list of the changes that I believe are required to
>  the Calc Guide.
> 
>  If anybody is interested, this initial list can be found in
>  NextCloud at
>  https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/wGG24424DknNgtW.
> 
>  I now need to compare the 7.1 Calc Guide to the 7.2 software,
>  in case that turns up any other changes to the document.
> 
>  Regards,
> 
>  Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  On 15/07/2021 10:26, Steve Fanning wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > Now that RC1 of LO 7.2 Community is available, it is time to
> > start preparing an update to the Calc Guide for 7.2.
> >
> > I have spoken with Felipe Viggiano and he is busy at present,
> > so I am making a start on this update by collating a detailed
> > list of the changes needed to the text and figures.
> >
> > I will keep the mailing list informed of progress.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 7.2 published

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Also, the Figure translation ("slika") does not only print always with a
capital letter, but also remains in first inflection, does not change into
the proper inflection as edited/translated in OmegaT - "na sliki X" becomes
"na Slika X", which is totally gramatically wrong.

Please, remove these changes ASAP.

Lp, m.

V V sre., 8. sep. 2021 ob 23:01 je oseba Martin Srebotnjak 
napisala:

> Hi, Olivier,
>
> please undo all your changes from these files to renaming figure  to
>  as this causes unwanted problems with OmegaT - translation of
> word Figure (in Slovenian "slika") gets printed in the guide with capital
> "Slika", although set to "slika" in OmegaT. Since it is a field, it cannot
> be even manually changed ...
>
> So your solution is no good for localization purposes and I hope next time
> you check the validity of the file changes not just for English, but with
> localization teams.
>
> For localization purposes only the cleaned 7.2 files by Milos are ok.
>
> Also, how does the "alt" caption of the picture change when one edits the
> caption of the picture (or the pictures get renumbered)? That does not work
> automatically and will bring confusion, as there will be several alt
> captions with the same number and different caption (when pictures are
> inserted) ...
>
> Lp, m.
>
> V V sre., 8. sep. 2021 ob 16:51 je oseba Olivier Hallot <
> olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> napisala:
>
>> Hi Milos, All
>>
>> Em 08/09/2021 06:00, Milos Sramek escreveu:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I've visually checked the documents for correct formatting and
>> > subsequently removed direct formatting by the odtclean.py script. The
>> > cleaned files can be found in the file GS72-clened.zip in
>> > https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/Shared/SK
>> > community/Cleaned
>> >
>> > Olivier, please, replace the published files in GS72, so that the
>> > cleaned ones are used for GS7.3.
>> >
>> > The changes I've done are mostly invisible, so the cleaned files need
>> > not to be used for publishing GS7.2
>> >
>>
>> So I opened Getting Started 7.3 folders in Nextcloud and added
>> Published/ Archive/ and Work in Progress/ folders and added the empty
>> control spreadsheet for 7.3 .
>>
>> I put the cleaned files in the WIP folder. The files were further
>> inspected and have now
>>
>> - Clean unordered lists (extra bullets, fake lists paragraphs,
>> Note/Warning/Tip bullets)
>>
>> - Figures and frames were renamed with
>> Name = Caption and Number (e.g. "Figure 23")
>> Description = Caption text ("Print dialog")
>> Alt = full caption ("Figure 23 : Print dialog")
>>
>> - Figures Xrefs were put as "Category and number"
>>
>> Thanks for providing the cleaned files
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>>
>> > Thanks
>> > Milos
>> >
>> > On 9/8/21 6:28 AM, Jean Weber wrote:
>> >> Team,
>> >> The ODT and PDF files for GS72 and its chapters are on NextCloud and
>> >> will be uploaded to the wiki soon. Thanks to all who helped get this
>> >> out so quickly.
>> >> Olivier, over to you to put on website.
>> >> I will work on the print edition of this and the Writer Guide 7.2 next.
>> >> Jean
>> >>
>> >
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 7.2 published

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Olivier,

please undo all your changes from these files to renaming figure  to
 as this causes unwanted problems with OmegaT - translation of
word Figure (in Slovenian "slika") gets printed in the guide with capital
"Slika", although set to "slika" in OmegaT. Since it is a field, it cannot
be even manually changed ...

So your solution is no good for localization purposes and I hope next time
you check the validity of the file changes not just for English, but with
localization teams.

For localization purposes only the cleaned 7.2 files by Milos are ok.

Also, how does the "alt" caption of the picture change when one edits the
caption of the picture (or the pictures get renumbered)? That does not work
automatically and will bring confusion, as there will be several alt
captions with the same number and different caption (when pictures are
inserted) ...

Lp, m.

V V sre., 8. sep. 2021 ob 16:51 je oseba Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> Hi Milos, All
>
> Em 08/09/2021 06:00, Milos Sramek escreveu:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've visually checked the documents for correct formatting and
> > subsequently removed direct formatting by the odtclean.py script. The
> > cleaned files can be found in the file GS72-clened.zip in
> > https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/Shared/SK
> > community/Cleaned
> >
> > Olivier, please, replace the published files in GS72, so that the
> > cleaned ones are used for GS7.3.
> >
> > The changes I've done are mostly invisible, so the cleaned files need
> > not to be used for publishing GS7.2
> >
>
> So I opened Getting Started 7.3 folders in Nextcloud and added
> Published/ Archive/ and Work in Progress/ folders and added the empty
> control spreadsheet for 7.3 .
>
> I put the cleaned files in the WIP folder. The files were further
> inspected and have now
>
> - Clean unordered lists (extra bullets, fake lists paragraphs,
> Note/Warning/Tip bullets)
>
> - Figures and frames were renamed with
> Name = Caption and Number (e.g. "Figure 23")
> Description = Caption text ("Print dialog")
> Alt = full caption ("Figure 23 : Print dialog")
>
> - Figures Xrefs were put as "Category and number"
>
> Thanks for providing the cleaned files
>
> Olivier
>
>
> > Thanks
> > Milos
> >
> > On 9/8/21 6:28 AM, Jean Weber wrote:
> >> Team,
> >> The ODT and PDF files for GS72 and its chapters are on NextCloud and
> >> will be uploaded to the wiki soon. Thanks to all who helped get this
> >> out so quickly.
> >> Olivier, over to you to put on website.
> >> I will work on the print edition of this and the Writer Guide 7.2 next.
> >> Jean
> >>
> >
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] GS - Base chapter - database files

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi all,

Dave helped me to locate it:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Automobile.odb#file
<https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/2021/msg00047.html>

Lp, m.

V V pon., 6. sep. 2021 ob 15:17 je oseba Dave Barton 
napisala:

> On 06/09/2021 13:55, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > for localization purposes I would need the (English or localized)
> databases
> > (odb) appearing/used in the Base chapter.
> >
> > I can't find them on the nextcloud site, maybe I am missing something.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Martin
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> I am not 100% sure which specific odb files you are seeking, but most
> can be found in the Base 6.4 & 7.0 "Supplement" sub-folders.
>
> Regards
> Dave
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[libreoffice-documentation] GS - Base chapter - database files

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

for localization purposes I would need the (English or localized) databases
(odb) appearing/used in the Base chapter.

I can't find them on the nextcloud site, maybe I am missing something.

Best regards,
Martin

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Question about Paste Special dialog in CALC 7.2

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi , Ilmari,

it it is off it still pastes the content; In both ways the settings and
formatting does not get copied (i,e. the font color), but the values do get
copied. Only if you check Formats in the Paste Special window also the
formatting gets pasted.

Lp, m.

V V ned., 8. avg. 2021 ob 09:08 je oseba Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> On 8.8.2021 9.31, Jean Weber wrote:
> > On the Paste Special dialog in CALC 7.2 there is a checkbox labeled
> > “Run immediately”. It is selected by default. Can someone tell me what
> > it does, and what happens if it is not selected? I did some
> > experiments and could see no difference. I couldn’t find it in the
> > Help. The dialog has been rearranged in v7.2, and this checkbox is
> > new, so it is not mentioned in the Calc 7.1 Guide.
>
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134802#c10
>
> Quote:
> "Run Immediately" off means the button applies settings only)
>
> Ilmari
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Question about Paste Special dialog in CALC 7.2

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Jean,

it is really ambiguous. The tooltip says:

Inserts the contents of the clipboard into the current file in a
format that you can specify.

But this is the default tooltip for the Paste Special window (it also shows
upon the Cancel or OK button etc.).

I still cannot see the point in it. If you do not run it immediately, can
you run it in a week? Or after data is updated?

Lp, m.

V V ned., 8. avg. 2021 ob 08:31 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> On the Paste Special dialog in CALC 7.2 there is a checkbox labeled
> “Run immediately”. It is selected by default. Can someone tell me what
> it does, and what happens if it is not selected? I did some
> experiments and could see no difference. I couldn’t find it in the
> Help. The dialog has been rearranged in v7.2, and this checkbox is
> new, so it is not mentioned in the Calc 7.1 Guide.
> Thank you!
>
> Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide 7.1

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,
Draw guide does not have its master document for automatic book assembly
which simplifies the procedure for translated guides, so that would be
great, Olivier.

Lp, m.

V pon., 26. jul. 2021 03:56 je oseba Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> Hello Peter
>
> Do you need help to assemble and generate the Guide? If affirmative, I
> can help you.
>
> Kind regards
> Olivier
>
> Em 25/07/2021 11:36, Peter Schofield escreveu:
> > Appendices A and B of the Draw Guide 7.1 have now been published and are
> in the Published folder on NextCloud.
> >
> > Now to finish the Draw Guide itself.
> >
> >
> > Peter Schofield
> > psaut...@gmail.com
> > Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
> >
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation Team Meeting Minutes July 22th, 2021 at 18:00 UTC.

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Olivier,

could you please clean also the finished 7.1 GS guide chapters?

Best regards,
Martin

V pon., 26. jul. 2021 04:06 je oseba Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> HI Team
>
> Em 22/07/2021 16:02, Olivier Hallot escreveu:
> > Topics and Discussion:
> >   * Update calc guide formatting for 7.2 (SF)
> > AI:- Cleanup and create 7.2 folder + covers (OH)
>
> I created the Calc Guide 7.2 chapters in the 7.2 WIP folder.
> Files were "cleaned". By Cleand I mean
>
> 1) All direct formatting were removed
> 2) Bullet lists were cleaned
> 3) Image anchoring and captions adjusted
> 4) Chapter contents are wrapped in sections in the following schema:
>
> a) SEC_LOGO holds the top chapter image/logo
> b) SEC_GUIDE holds the Guide name + version
> c) SEC_TITLE holds the chapter title and subtitle
> d) SEC_DISPLAYAREA holds from the copyright to end of chapter.
>
> These sections don't affect ODT and PDF output and are important for a
> web output, as displayed in
> https://books.libreoffice.org/en/CG71/CG7105-UsingGraphics.html
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc's ENCODEURL, FILTERXML and WEBSERVICE functions

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Please do not make any massive help page changes after beta1 release of
7.2, because that makes it hard to be localized in time for a 7.2 release.

The 7.2 release in itself requires a big effort from the l10n community
with many new help strings and help updates.

Lp, m.

V V tor., 8. jun. 2021 ob 22:24 je oseba Rafael Lima <
rafael.palma.l...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Hi Steve,
>
> I agree with you. There's no rush to make a decision on this topic. It'll
> be a great topic for discussion in the upcoming meeting.
>
> However I haven't been able to attend our Thursdays meetings due to other
> appointments I have at work. Hope I'll be able to attend the next one.
>
> Cheers,
> Rafael
>
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 4:58 PM Steve Fanning  >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Rafael,
> >
> > With regards to differences between the Calc Functions Wiki and the
> > corresponding Help pages...
> >
> > You are correct that there is currently a significant difference in the
> > content of the help pages and the wiki pages for SOME of Calc's
> > functions. We need to work out how the users can be made aware of the
> > extra content on the wiki but I don't think there is a great rush to
> > solve this particular issue. We should give possible solutions some
> > proper thought before making any changes to the help; meanwhile we will
> > continue to improve the 500+ wiki pages.
> >
> > Perhaps we could discuss at a future Documentation Team meeting? (After
> > this week I expect to be able to attend our Thursday evening meetings a
> > little more frequently).
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > On 08/06/2021 18:43, Rafael Lima wrote:
> > > Hi Steve,
> > >
> > > I have just read the three wiki pages you mentioned and I could not
> find
> > > any issues with them. IMO they're very thorough and well written.
> > >
> > > In the WEBSERVICE page, section "Accessing non-XML data", I would add
> the
> > > following:
> > >
> > > --
> > > The WEBSERVICE function returns the raw result from an HTTP/ HTTPS
> > request.
> > > Hence, if the URI address corresponds to any type of text content (e.g.
> > > CSV, XML, TXT, MD, etc), the raw content will be returned and stored in
> > the
> > > cell.
> > > The example below will return the raw contents of the file README.md
> > stored
> > > in the given URI.
> > > =WEBSERVICE("https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/download/help/README.md
> ")
> > > --
> > >
> > > The wiki pages for FILTERXML and ENCODEURL are perfect!
> > >
> > > BTW, there's a huge difference between the Help contents and the wiki
> > > (which is far more complete) and I fear that some users may not find
> all
> > > the contents they look for in the help pages. Do you think we could add
> > > links in the help pages referencing the corresponding wiki pages?
> > >
> > > For example:
> > > To learn more refer to the WEBSERVICE wiki page. (with a link to the
> wiki
> > > pages)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Rafael Lima
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 4:11 PM Steve Fanning <
> > stevefann...@libreoffice.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello All,
> > >>
> > >> Please could somebody with technical knowledge of these three
> functions
> > >> help me?
> > >>
> > >> I have been upgrading their descriptions in the Calc Functions Wiki
> area
> > >> (
> > >>
> >
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/ENCODEURL
> > ,
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/FILTERXML
> > >> and
> > >>
> >
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/WEBSERVICE
> > >> ).
> > >>
> > >> I am not an expert on these functions but have extended the
> descriptions
> > >> beyond the explanations given in the Help by a combination of code
> > >> inspection and experimentation.
> > >>
> > >> Would it be possible for somebody who has expertise in this area to
> > >> review these three wiki pages from a technical perspective? Is what I
> > >> have written technically correct? Have I missed anything that might be
> > >> significant to a user who is looking for more background? (Please
> don't
> > >> think I'm looking for somebody to find typos - there may be some, but
> we
> > >> can resolve those without wasting any of a developer's valuable time!)
> > >>
> > >> On a specific point, do we need to declare the versions of XML and
> XPath
> > >> that are relevant for FILTERXML? If so, can somebody confirm what they
> > are?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks in advance.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Steve Fanning (LibreOffice Documentation Team)
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Two words as a single word

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Sure, I have several.

This means changing around 200 strings in English * 100 l10ns = 2
strings need to be updated by localization teams.

Lp, m.

V V sre., 2. jun. 2021 ob 09:39 je oseba Peter Schofield 
napisala:

> There are several examples of two words being put together as a single
> word, for example:
> Notebookbar
> Groupedbar
> Gluepoints
>
> This words look very amateurish and should be changed back to two words in
> LibreOffice software:
> Notebook Bar
> Grouped Bar
> Glue Points (this set of of two words does appear in the software).
>
> Anyone with thoughts on this?
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updates on Calc Guide 7.1

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Great work again!

Please do not forget to clean the files as well.

Best regards,
Martin

V V sob., 22. maj 2021 ob 10:19 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> Congratulations to everyone who worked on this update.
> I’ll try to find time to produce the print edition this coming week.
>
> Jean
>
> On Fri, 21 May 2021 at 10:22 Felipe Viggiano <
> felipeviggi...@libreoffice.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Everyone,
> >
> > A brief summary of the updates on Calc Guide 7.1:
> >
> >   * Insertion of the new features presented in the Relase Notes such as:
> >   o New "Reset All" button in solver dialog (by Rafael Lima).
> >   o Option to disable paste with Enter key (by Martin van Zijl).
> >   o New Additions dialog to easily get more contents, such as
> > extensions and templates (by Yusuf Keten, GSoC; mentored by
> > Muhammet Kara (Collabora) and Heiko Tietze).
> >   * Short info about Boxplots creation, with link to more complete
> > instructions on the Wiki page (by Kees Kriek and other colleagues
> > from the Dutch Community).
> >   * Some necessary adjustments from the previous guide pointed out by
> > Celia Palacios.
> >   * Removed the macro's usage guidance from Chapter 13 (improved
> > description about the matter were inserted in
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc). Contribution made
> > by Steve Fanning.
> >   * Text and organization improvements made by Jean Hollis Weber.
> >
> > In this version, we had the pleasure to welcome a new contributor to the
> > Doc Team: Vasudev Narayanan.
> >
> >
> > I think that covers most of what was done, any suggestion please feel
> > free to point out!
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Felipe Viggiano
> >
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updates on Calc Guide 7.1

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello, Felipe,

congrats on your dedicated work!

Please update the "Publication date and software version" subchapter of the
Copyright chapter (page 2) of all chapter files and the book by adding the
following disclaimer as proposed by Jean and used in the 7.1 Writer guide:
Other versions of LibreOffice may differ in appearance and functionality.

Lp, m.

V V tor., 20. apr. 2021 ob 03:45 je oseba Felipe Viggiano <
felipeviggi...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> Hello team,
>
> All the chapters from Calc Guide were reviewed at least once (chapter 13
> had two reviews due to the large modifications).
>
> A big thanks for Kees Kriek for the big effort on this!
>
> Following is a list of the main changes applied:
>
> Features from the release notes (issue fixes and performance
> improvements were not included):
>
>   * Option to disable paste with the /Enter/ key.  - Included in
> chapters 1 and 14;
>   * New /Reset All/ button in Solver dialog - Included in chapter 9;
>   * New /Extension/ button -  Included in chapters 4 and 5.
>
> Changes requested:
>
>   * Removed macros references in chapter 13 (modification made by Steve
> Fanning);
>   * Corrected /Value Highlighting/ explanation in chapter 14 (as
> suggested by Celia Palacios);
>   * Improved explanation about /Expand formatting/ feature (as suggested
> by Celia Palacios).
>
> I'm starting to give a final look at all the chapters and assemble them
> all to publish the guide. If there is anyone who wants to give a review
> to a chapter, please let me know as soon as possible.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Felipe Viggiano
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide is complete

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

to prevent chaos, I suggest to update the 7.1 template's  "Copyright "
chapter under the "Publication date and software version" subchapter (as
did Jean with the Writer 7.1 guide) as well:
"Published (month) 2021. Based on LibreOffice 7.1."
changes to:
"Published (month) 2021. Based on LibreOffice 7.1 Community.
Other versions of LibreOffice may differ in appearance and functionality."

Lp, m.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO Community disclaimer? Was: Writer Guide update

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Olivier,

it seems you did not understand my proposal or read it carefully.

We are not talking about changing the copyright notice, but about changing
the sentence "Based on LibreOffice 7.2." to "Based on LibreOffice Community
7.2." under the "Publication date and software version" subchapter.

The guides are based not on "LibreOffice project" but are written about and
based on a specific product - now "LibreOffice Community X.Y" and as such
refer only to that product and its release, ie. "LibreOffice Community
7.1". So that change is necessary and in line with the TDF board's decision
(writing "LibreOffice 7.2" is not as such a product just does not exist).

Lp, m.

V V sob., 10. apr. 2021 ob 14:42 je oseba Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> Hi
>
> There is no need to change "LibreOffice" to "LibreOffice Community" in
> the guides covers and copyright.
>
> The project name is LibreOffice. You can build a product and rebrand it
> as you wish but the project name stays LibreOffice. TDF product is
> delivered with the brand "LibreOffice Community".
>
> The guides contents are based on the LibreOffice project. Changing to
> "LibreOffice Community" will tie our guides to TDF product, not the
> project.
>
> The sentence "Other versions of LibreOffice may differ in appearance and
> functionality" is just perfect. +1.
>
> Kind regards
> Olivier
>
>
>
> Em 09/04/2021 06:19, Jean Weber escreveu:
> > Thanks to Martin for bringing this up.
> > I’ll change “LibreOffice 7.1” to “LibreOffice Community 7.1” on the
> > Copyright pages of Writer Guide chapters and the compiled book.
> >
> > I agree with Felipe that a long Disclaimer is not necessary, but .perhaps
> > we might add a short sentence like, “Other versions of LibreOffice may
> > differ in appearance and functionality.”
> >
> > I’d like to hear from Olivier on this topic.
> >
> > Jean
> >
> > On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 13:26 Felipe Viggiano de Souza <
> > felipeviggi...@libreoffice.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello team,
> >>
> >> I agree when Mr. Srebotnjak states that we need to rewrite the sentence
> >> "Based on LibreOffice 7.1." to "Based on LibreOffice Community 7.1.", I
> >> will work on that for the Calc Guide 7.1.
> >>
> >> However, about the disclaimer, in my opinion, it's not necessary to
> >> declare what the guides do not cover, I think it is clear enough when we
> >> say that the document is based on LibreOffice Community. Mentioning so
> many
> >> times the term LibreOffice Enterprise could lead the user to believe
> that
> >> TDF is working on two versions of LO (Community / Enterprise), which, as
> >> far as I understand is not correct.
> >>
> >> Well, those were my opinion on that, but, of course we can discuss
> deeper
> >> on that.
> >>
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Felipe Viggiano
> >>
> >>
> >> Em segunda-feira, 5 de abril de 2021, às 18:39:07 -03, Martin Srebotnjak
> >> escreveu:
> >>> Hello, Jean,
> >>>
> >>> great to hear about the progress on the 7.1 guides.
> >>>
> >>> As you work on the covers etc. - this leads to the question of properly
> >>> naming and tagging these guides, along with the Community/Professional
> >>> naming scheme the TDF has decided on.
> >>>
> >>> Just adding "Community" tag to the small LibreOffice logo seems not
> >>> equivalent - it is also misleading for the reader/user - one should be
> >>> warned that a LO Professional product might not work in the same way as
> >>> described in the guide.
> >>>
> >>> The guides for v7.1 and newer are written for LibreOffice Community,
> not
> >>> for LibreOffice as such - actually LibreOffice as a product does not
> >> exist
> >>> anymore.
> >>>
> >>> I believe every chapter and the book as well need an exclaimer on the
> >>> "second" page under "Publication date and software version" - where the
> >>> sentence "Based on LibreOffice 7.1." should be changed to "Based on
> >>> LibreOffice Community 7.1.", for example (excuse my English):
> >>>
> >>> Disclaimer
> >>>
> >>> This guide was written by volunteers and refers solely to the features,
> >>> setting

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO Community disclaimer? Was: Writer Guide update

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

V V pet., 9. apr. 2021 ob 11:19 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> I agree with Felipe that a long Disclaimer is not necessary, but .perhaps
> we might add a short sentence like, “Other versions of LibreOffice may
> differ in appearance and functionality.”
>

Jean, I find your proposal great. +1 from me.

Lp, m.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide update

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello, Jean,

great to hear about the progress on the 7.1 guides.

As you work on the covers etc. - this leads to the question of properly
naming and tagging these guides, along with the Community/Professional
naming scheme the TDF has decided on.

Just adding "Community" tag to the small LibreOffice logo seems not
equivalent - it is also misleading for the reader/user - one should be
warned that a LO Professional product might not work in the same way as
described in the guide.

The guides for v7.1 and newer are written for LibreOffice Community, not
for LibreOffice as such - actually LibreOffice as a product does not exist
anymore.

I believe every chapter and the book as well need an exclaimer on the
"second" page under "Publication date and software version" - where the
sentence "Based on LibreOffice 7.1." should be changed to "Based on
LibreOffice Community 7.1.", for example (excuse my English):

Disclaimer

This guide was written by volunteers and refers solely to the features,
settings, and look-and-feel of the LibreOffice Community office suite. As
such it does not cover the enterprise-class LibreOffice Enterprise family
of applications which might appear and behave differently. For respective
guides for the LibreOffice Enterprise products please refer to the
ecosystem partners that produced them.

Also, the title of the guides and the last page on the cover should
underline the same, that the guides describe the use of LibreOffice
Community products, not any other LibreOffice Professional or rebranded
products.

Lp, m.

V V pon., 5. apr. 2021 ob 11:32 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> Team:
> WG chapters 16, 17, 18, 19 are now in WiP, ready for first review.
> Others have been revised and are awaiting second review, and some chapters
> have been published. I’m now working on the front matter and master doc for
> the compiled book.
> Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide for v7.0 or 7.1?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,
since work already started on updating to 7.1, I guess in this case it is
best to go for 7.1.

Lp, m.

V V tor., 16. mar. 2021 ob 07:03 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> I had started earlier this year on updating the Writer Guide from v6.4
> to v7.0, but as that was delayed I changed to updating to v7.1.
>
> Reading discussions on this list, I wonder if I should return to
> working on v7.0 first? I don't mind either way.
>
> What do people think?
>
> Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] New artwork for title page of user guide chapters?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

I noticed that the back cover for 7.0 GS talks about LibreOffice Community
and where it can be downloaded.
I thought that Community is label for 7.1 and beyond?
If this is the case for 7.0, the GS 7.0 guide should also be branded with
the Community brand (cover + introduction).
Or reference to Community version should be omitted on the back cover.

Lp, m.

V V sre., 24. feb. 2021 ob 11:28 je oseba Martin Srebotnjak <
mi...@filmsi.net> napisala:

> I agree,
>
> the artwork on the front page (and the wording either in the prologue of
> the guides/chapters) must clearly state and visualize, what version the
> guides (and the localization community effort) refer to.
>
> Lp, m.
>
> V V ned., 21. feb. 2021 ob 06:23 je oseba Jean Weber 
> napisala:
>
>> Where can I find artwork to be used on the title page of user guide
>> chapters for v7.1? The logo with "Community" added. I assume we'll
>> want to replace the artwork on the chapter template. I saw it when I
>> started v7.1 on Windows. Thanks.
>>
>> Jean
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] New artwork for title page of user guide chapters?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

I agree,

the artwork on the front page (and the wording either in the prologue of
the guides/chapters) must clearly state and visualize, what version the
guides (and the localization community effort) refer to.

Lp, m.

V V ned., 21. feb. 2021 ob 06:23 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> Where can I find artwork to be used on the title page of user guide
> chapters for v7.1? The logo with "Community" added. I assume we'll
> want to replace the artwork on the chapter template. I saw it when I
> started v7.1 on Windows. Thanks.
>
> Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Proposed new character style for user guides

[Martin Srebotnjak]

I agree with Jean,

this means also additional work for all translation teams, when updating
guides' translation from older versions to 7.1 ...

Lp, m.

V V ned., 21. feb. 2021 ob 06:19 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> I've apparently missed previous discussion on this new (5th) character
> style. Why is it needed? What is the expected or intended value added
> with this new style? I looked at the sample. Seems to me like a lot of
> fiddly work for writers/reviewers to change the applied style as we
> update chapters to v7.1, with no apparent (to me) benefit to the
> reader.
>
> Jean
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 1:05 AM Olivier Hallot
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Team
> >
> > Em 18/02/2021 17:17, Olivier Hallot escreveu:
> > > * A 5th character style for the Guides Templates?(OH)
> > >+ purpose: Highlight UI widgets in text
> > > Examples:
> > > ... Select 'Add File Section to Document' radio button to...
> > > ... click 'New Style From Selection' icon ...
> > >+ Suggestion 1: LibreOffice Mono 11pt (Dave Barton, PVT)
> > >+ Suggestion 2: LibreOffice Mono 11pt, italic, light gray
> background (OH)
> > >+ Bring the proposal to NC (DB), let other comment
> > > AI: Upload sample in Cloud and annouce in mailing list
> >
> > I uploaded a sample file (actually based on the current 7.0 template
> > file) with a proposal for the 5th character style to represent dialog
> > box object ("widgets").
> >
> > the file is
> > https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/JpM8wq95naG4dZj
> >
> > and can be visited also in the /Contributor Resources/ folder.
> >
> > Regards
> > --
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 7.0 chapters

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,

I can see the "cleaned" subfolder in the GS70 published folder - were these
files already manually cleaned up and has the python script been run on
these?

Could someone please also update the LO70 master document to generate the
full guide from individual chapter files?

Thanks,
m.

V V pet., 19. feb. 2021 ob 06:42 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> Thanks, Dave.
> If someone will do this “cleanup” step, that would be great.
> Milos? Olivier?
> Jean
>
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 at 06:14 Dave Barton  wrote:
>
> > Just as a little reminder. Have these files been processed through Milos
> > Sramek's latest "odtclean.py" script:
> > https://github.com/milossramek/translation-scripts/tree/master/odtclean
> > Unless you have the facilities to run the script, I suggest you ask
> > Milos or Oliver to do this before publication.
> >
> > Kind Regards
> > Dave
> >
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Covers 7.1

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Olivier,

there is no "LibreOffice" anymore, from LO71 there is only "LibreOffice
Community" - shouldn't the covers reflect which actual product they refer
to?

Or do they refer to the LibreOffice spin-offs by the eco-system companies,
which have additional features and/or different appearance?

Lp, m.

V V čet., 11. feb. 2021 ob 11:48 je oseba Olivier Hallot <
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> Hi Team!
>
> I added the Guides covers for 7.1 in /Contributor Resources/Cover7.1/ on
> the cloud.
>
> The SVG file is the source of the cover image
> The PNG files are hi-res (300DPI) image
> The thumbnail is a 212x300 pixel thumbnail of the front cover
> The ODT file is a sample file and can be used to start compiling the
> respective guide.
>
> Note: LibreOffice 7.1 drop the "Page Anchor" for images. There is only
> anchors "To Paragraph", "To Character" and "As Character". The release
> notes did not mention it clearly. The Writer and GS guides may need a
> review on the subject.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 7.0 needs updaters & reviewers

[Martin Srebotnjak]

So at the moment only Base chapter needs some love?
What is the status?

Lp, m.

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> Thank you to the people reviewing updated chapters of GS70.
> I have taken Ch12 (HTML pages) to update. PeterS will do 6 (Impress)
> and 7 (Draw).
> Three other chapters still need to be updated: 8 (Base), 13 (Macros)
> and 15 (Appendix A, Keyboard Shortcuts)
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Suggestion for workflow modification : a new directory "Prepared for translation" with "cleaned" files

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Just reminding of this suggestion by Milos from August 2020.

+1

Lp, m.

V V čet., 6. avg. 2020 ob 14:39 je oseba Olivier Hallot <
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> Forwarding to the documentation mailing list
>
> Important topic.
>
>
>  Mensagem encaminhada 
> Assunto: [libreoffice-l10n] Suggestion for workflow modification : a new
> directory "Prepared for translation" with "cleaned" files
> Data: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 14:30:14 +0200
> De: Milos Sramek 
> Para: Libreoffice ln10 
>
> Hi,
>
> document 'cleaning' has been mentioned recently in several threads. It
> is a necessary step for subsequent translation of the guides to
> different languages. As it  is currently done 'on request', I suggest to
> add cleaning as a compulsory step to the workflow (described here:
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/DocumentationTeamInfo/UsingAuthorsWebsite
> ).
>
> Currently I put the cleaned files here:
>
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/index.php/apps/files?dir=/Shared/SK%20community/Cleaned
> .
> Probably nobody knows about them.
>
> What is cleaning about:
>
> For translation we use the OmegaT tool, which extracts strings for
> translation directly from the document's xml. This means that the
> character formatting tags are visible for her/him (tags in OmegaT are
> abbreviated to ... or similar). Usually there are too many
> useless tags (tags seem to remain in the code forever, even if
> formatting is removed), which complicates the translation process (too
> many tags, words split by tags to pieces etc). In cleaning all direct
> character formatting is removed (by a python script) which decreases the
> amount of tags to the necessary minimum.
>
> My suggestion:
>
> Add an additional step in the workflow after "Published" (after it in
> order to not to change to current authoring workflow) by adding a new
> directory "Prepared for translation". From there (1) a translator would
> take documents for translation and (2) these documents would be used to
> start a new version of the given Guide.
>
> Who will do that:
>
> I volunteer to take care of the cleaning process. I will also create a
> guide, how to do that and also will place the script to the nextcloud,
> so that eventually somebody else can do that. As a part of the cleaning
> process one has to visually check the documents and change eventual
> direct formatting to the an appropriate character style.
>
> thanks for consideration
>
> Milos
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Producing guides - add a "Cleaned" directory

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Milos,

I completely agree with you and +1 from me.

There were some reports about the script not working on GNU/Linux, maybe
someone can elaborate?

Lp, m.

V V čet., 17. dec. 2020 ob 20:42 je oseba Milos Sramek <
sramek.mi...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Hi,
>
> I suggest to include file cleaning in the workflow. In cleaning one
> removes direct formatting, which is necessary for translation. Currently
> I do that after a guide is published - the cleaned files can be found
> here:
>
>
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/index.php/apps/files?dir=/Shared/SK%20community/Cleaned
>
> The current problem is that nobody knows about them and a new version of
> a guide starts from an uncleaned version in the Published and thus I
> have to repeat the laborious manual cleaning part again an again.
>
> My suggestion is to add another step after step 7 in the "How to publish
> a chapter" section (page 15, 2 - Producing LO Guides.odt): a "Cleaned"
> directory, the contents of which will then be used to start a next
> version of the guide. I will then produce the cleaned files.
>
>
> Milos
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Update on Calc Guide

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

could this guide's chapters - as well as other guides' chapters upon being
finished - be cleaned with the odtclean script my Milos to remove unwanted
formatting code and help l10n teams?

I suggest this becoming a part of the official procedure, as documented in
the guide for writing guides (Producing LO Guides): I suggest adding a
point/step in the "Publishing Chapters" subchapter (between points 7 and 8).

Lp, m.

V V čet., 5. nov. 2020 ob 05:38 je oseba Felipe Viggiano <
felipeviggi...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Just uploaded the newest version of the Calc 7.0 Guide on the Published
> Folder.
> All the chapters and the compiled version were updated with Jeans's
> comments and some more corrections.
>
> I'm planning to upload the .pdf files from each chapter by tomorrow.
>
> Best regards,
> Felipe Viggiano
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide 7.0

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Dave,

the GS exists for LO6.4, so all you need is to gather all the new stuff
that landed in LO 7.0 - which should be in the LO70 release notes on wiki.

Lp, m.

V V čet., 24. sep. 2020 ob 19:15 je oseba DaveB 
napisala:

> Hi All,
>
> I have been doing some preparation for the 7.0 edition of this guide, by
> collecting together the release notes for 6.1, 6.2, 6.3, 6.4 & 7.0 with
> the intention of creating a wiki page of changes between 6 & 7, similar
> to: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/6.0
>
> While this is being developed for the Getting Started Guide, it should
> also be useful for other guides (eg. Writer).
>
> There is still quite a bit of work to be done on this, but I will post
> back here when it is ready.
>
> Best Regards
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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4 chapters ready for "cleaning"

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Miloš,

this is the first time I hear of these pre-operations on a file, prior to
cleaning it with this script. I haven't done it.

I will send you the non-cleaned chapters so you can do the cleaning as it
should be done.

Please, do document the required (pre)process, so that the l10n teams can
use the script in the most efficient way.

Lp, m.

V V pon., 3. avg. 2020 ob 21:28 je oseba Milos Sramek <
sramek.mi...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Hi Martin,
>
> prior to cleaning it is necessary to check correctness of formatting –
> replace directly formatted bold and italic to styles and vice versa. Have
> you done that? If not, the formatting will vanish in cleaning. In that case
> please place the uncleaned files somewhere so that I can download them.
>
> I will upload the new version of the script together with a brief
> description how to use it.
> Perhaps we can add a new directory "for_cleaning" where finished documents
> would be put. From there the document would go to Published
>
> Milos
>
>
> On 8/3/20 8:44 PM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>
> Hi, Miloš,
>
> I guess the Feedback dir was emptied and Jean put my "cleaned" files to
> the Published dir.
>
> I found the old WG chapters (uncleaned) in my Trash folder, so I can
> upload them somewhere for a new "cleaning" process.
>
> Lp, m.
>
> V V pon., 3. avg. 2020 ob 20:30 je oseba Milos Sramek <
> sramek.mi...@gmail.com> napisala:
>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> I have a newer version of the script, which should do a bit better job.
>> I'll upload it to "English/Contributor Resources", I did not know about
>> that directory.
>> I was unable to find the directories you have mentioned, I've checked
>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/LibreOffice%20Documentation/English/Writer%20Guide/6.4
>>
>> Milos
>>
>> On 7/31/20 7:16 PM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Jean et. al.,
>>
>> I cleaned the files with the odtclean.py script downloaded from
>> "English/Contributor Resources" map (uploaded 2 years ago).
>>
>> I hope this is the latest script, as some styles have been recently
>> renamed etc. Maybe Miloš can confirm. The files seem bigger, but that might
>> be because of the different zipping algorithm (LO/python).
>>
>> I placed the "cleaned" files in the Draft folder, in the
>> "Published-cleaned" subfolder to check.
>>
>> Lp, m.
>>
>> V V pet., 31. jul. 2020 ob 07:14 je oseba Jean Weber 
>> napisala:
>>
>>> Compiled book is now available in ODT and PDF, in the Published folder.
>>> Jean
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:33 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > All chapters of the Writer Guide 6.4 have been published and are ready
>>> > for "cleaning" by Martin or anyone familiar with his tool for doing
>>> > this.
>>> >
>>> > Compiled full book will be available soon.
>>> >
>>> > Jean
>>>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4 chapters ready for "cleaning"

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Miloš,

I guess the Feedback dir was emptied and Jean put my "cleaned" files to the
Published dir.

I found the old WG chapters (uncleaned) in my Trash folder, so I can upload
them somewhere for a new "cleaning" process.

Lp, m.

V V pon., 3. avg. 2020 ob 20:30 je oseba Milos Sramek <
sramek.mi...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Hi Martin,
>
> I have a newer version of the script, which should do a bit better job.
> I'll upload it to "English/Contributor Resources", I did not know about
> that directory.
> I was unable to find the directories you have mentioned, I've checked
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/LibreOffice%20Documentation/English/Writer%20Guide/6.4
>
> Milos
>
> On 7/31/20 7:16 PM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>
> Hi, Jean et. al.,
>
> I cleaned the files with the odtclean.py script downloaded from
> "English/Contributor Resources" map (uploaded 2 years ago).
>
> I hope this is the latest script, as some styles have been recently
> renamed etc. Maybe Miloš can confirm. The files seem bigger, but that might
> be because of the different zipping algorithm (LO/python).
>
> I placed the "cleaned" files in the Draft folder, in the
> "Published-cleaned" subfolder to check.
>
> Lp, m.
>
> V V pet., 31. jul. 2020 ob 07:14 je oseba Jean Weber 
> napisala:
>
>> Compiled book is now available in ODT and PDF, in the Published folder.
>> Jean
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:33 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
>> >
>> > All chapters of the Writer Guide 6.4 have been published and are ready
>> > for "cleaning" by Martin or anyone familiar with his tool for doing
>> > this.
>> >
>> > Compiled full book will be available soon.
>> >
>> > Jean
>>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4 chapters ready for "cleaning"

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Jean et. al.,

I cleaned the files with the odtclean.py script downloaded from
"English/Contributor Resources" map (uploaded 2 years ago).

I hope this is the latest script, as some styles have been recently renamed
etc. Maybe Miloš can confirm. The files seem bigger, but that might be
because of the different zipping algorithm (LO/python).

I placed the "cleaned" files in the Draft folder, in the
"Published-cleaned" subfolder to check.

Lp, m.

V V pet., 31. jul. 2020 ob 07:14 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> Compiled book is now available in ODT and PDF, in the Published folder.
> Jean
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:33 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
> >
> > All chapters of the Writer Guide 6.4 have been published and are ready
> > for "cleaning" by Martin or anyone familiar with his tool for doing
> > this.
> >
> > Compiled full book will be available soon.
> >
> > Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Guides template V7

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Peter et. al.,

just a quick explanation: the important thing is NOT to make the word
"Figure" part of the reference, because then there are problems with
translation (one needs to manually edit/translate the reference in LO
Writer, it cannot be localized in i.e. OmegaT).

Lp, m.

V V sre., 15. jul. 2020 ob 09:33 je oseba Peter Schofield <
psaut...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Hello Kees
>
> Understood.
> The whole of a figure reference in a paragraph could be given the
> character format “Emphasis”.
> It is recommended to only use the actual figure number as the reference
> link. Using the word “Figure” as part of the link does cause translation
> problems.
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> > On 15 Jul 2020, at 09:26, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:
> >
> > I do not mean the caption, but the reference to a cption in the text.
> >
> > Kees
> >
> > Peter Schofield schreef op 15.07.2020 09:15:
> >> Hello Kees and LO doc team
> >> One way would be to put a frame around the illustration and the
> >> caption. That way it would give a good demarkation between text and
> >> the caption.
> >> I find the caption text OK, but would be against using another font.
> >> Maybe we could use small caps attribute.
> >> Anyone else with thoughts on this.
> >> Regards
> >> Peter Schofield
> >> psaut...@gmail.com
> >>> On 15 Jul 2020, at 08:15, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:
> >>> All
> >>> Is it useful to give the number of a figure reference a different
> character style?
> >>> To make it clear that it is a reference.
> >>> Kind regards, Kees
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Guides' Titles

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Well, that is the decision of the enterprise edition developers, not the
community, whether they will have a link in menus for community version
documentation or not.

Since they are corporations, these are their business decisions. They can
link to community guides, they can append community guides with their
premium features descriptions and rebrand and republish, whichever they
decide.

Lp, m.

V V pet., 10. jul. 2020 ob 09:54 je oseba Pulkit Krishna <
pulkitkrishn...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Yes, That is what I want to say - It sounds strange. Also, as I stated in
> my previous email,  the help menu in the enterprise edition has a User
> Guides option which opens the documentation website. The enterprise edition
> do not have separate documentation. It has to be decided whether we write
> documentation for only the personal/community edition or both and then name
> the guide accordingly. Also, If we go with the second option then we will
> have to do something about the Personal/Community edition tag as the
> enterprise edition will not contain them.
> Pulkit Krishna
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 12:22 PM Martin Srebotnjak 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, from LO70 there is no product named LibreOffice anymore, just two
>> differently named products/modules, like LO Base Community and LO Base
>> Professional... Or whatever they will be called... So Base Community Guide?
>> It does sound strange.
>> Lp, m.
>>
>> V pet., 10. jul. 2020 08:07 je oseba Pulkit Krishna <
>> pulkitkrishn...@gmail.com> napisala:
>>
>>> Also, currently, we do not name our books like Getting Started with
>>> Base. It is Base Guide. Getting Started with Base is a chapter in the
>>> Getting Started Guide.
>>> Pulkit Krishna
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 11:34 AM Pulkit Krishna <
>>> pulkitkrishn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think it will convey a completely different meaning - "Getting
>>>> Started with LibreOffice Community". It will sound as if it is a guide to
>>>> the LibreOffice community. Also, AFAIK the help menu in the enterprise
>>>> edition has a User Guides option which opens the documentation website. The
>>>> enterprise edition do not have separate documentation. It has to be decided
>>>> whether we write documentation for only the personal/community edition or
>>>> both and then name the guide accordingly. Also, If we go with the second
>>>> option then we will have to do something about the Personal/Community
>>>> edition tag as the enterprise edition will not contain them.
>>>> Pulkit Krishna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 3:14 AM Martin Srebotnjak 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> on Windows I see that the title of modules is in LO7RC1 also appended
>>>>> (with
>>>>> "Personal", just like the suite itself, where "Personal Edition" is
>>>>> appended), so open document in Writer has "NameOfTheDocument.odt -
>>>>> LibreOffice Personal Writer) stated in the title bar.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, the "Personal" / "Personal Edition" sub-labeling is still an
>>>>> open issue with the board/community and it seems that the naming
>>>>> convention
>>>>> for these "community", unsupported editions is leading to the brand
>>>>> "Community Edition", but the community documentation team needs to
>>>>> properly
>>>>> name the suite/modules that the community guides refer to.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I guess LO7 community Guides (for "Personal"/ "Personal Edition" or
>>>>> "Community" / "Community Edition" sub-labeling, which ever will be
>>>>> adopted)
>>>>> would be therefore renamed to "Getting Started with LibreOffice
>>>>> Personal/Community Edition", "Getting Started with LibreOffice Writer
>>>>> Personal/Community", "Getting Started with LibreOffice
>>>>> Personal/Community
>>>>> Online" etc.?
>>>>>
>>>>> Lp, m.
>>>>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Guides' Titles

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Well, from LO70 there is no product named LibreOffice anymore, just two
differently named products/modules, like LO Base Community and LO Base
Professional... Or whatever they will be called... So Base Community Guide?
It does sound strange.
Lp, m.

V pet., 10. jul. 2020 08:07 je oseba Pulkit Krishna <
pulkitkrishn...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Also, currently, we do not name our books like Getting Started with Base.
> It is Base Guide. Getting Started with Base is a chapter in the Getting
> Started Guide.
> Pulkit Krishna
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 11:34 AM Pulkit Krishna 
> wrote:
>
>> I think it will convey a completely different meaning - "Getting Started
>> with LibreOffice Community". It will sound as if it is a guide to the
>> LibreOffice community. Also, AFAIK the help menu in the enterprise edition
>> has a User Guides option which opens the documentation website. The
>> enterprise edition do not have separate documentation. It has to be decided
>> whether we write documentation for only the personal/community edition or
>> both and then name the guide accordingly. Also, If we go with the second
>> option then we will have to do something about the Personal/Community
>> edition tag as the enterprise edition will not contain them.
>> Pulkit Krishna
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 3:14 AM Martin Srebotnjak 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> on Windows I see that the title of modules is in LO7RC1 also appended
>>> (with
>>> "Personal", just like the suite itself, where "Personal Edition" is
>>> appended), so open document in Writer has "NameOfTheDocument.odt -
>>> LibreOffice Personal Writer) stated in the title bar.
>>>
>>> Of course, the "Personal" / "Personal Edition" sub-labeling is still an
>>> open issue with the board/community and it seems that the naming
>>> convention
>>> for these "community", unsupported editions is leading to the brand
>>> "Community Edition", but the community documentation team needs to
>>> properly
>>> name the suite/modules that the community guides refer to.
>>>
>>> So I guess LO7 community Guides (for "Personal"/ "Personal Edition" or
>>> "Community" / "Community Edition" sub-labeling, which ever will be
>>> adopted)
>>> would be therefore renamed to "Getting Started with LibreOffice
>>> Personal/Community Edition", "Getting Started with LibreOffice Writer
>>> Personal/Community", "Getting Started with LibreOffice Personal/Community
>>> Online" etc.?
>>>
>>> Lp, m.
>>>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Guides' Titles

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,

on Windows I see that the title of modules is in LO7RC1 also appended (with
"Personal", just like the suite itself, where "Personal Edition" is
appended), so open document in Writer has "NameOfTheDocument.odt -
LibreOffice Personal Writer) stated in the title bar.

Of course, the "Personal" / "Personal Edition" sub-labeling is still an
open issue with the board/community and it seems that the naming convention
for these "community", unsupported editions is leading to the brand
"Community Edition", but the community documentation team needs to properly
name the suite/modules that the community guides refer to.

So I guess LO7 community Guides (for "Personal"/ "Personal Edition" or
"Community" / "Community Edition" sub-labeling, which ever will be adopted)
would be therefore renamed to "Getting Started with LibreOffice
Personal/Community Edition", "Getting Started with LibreOffice Writer
Personal/Community", "Getting Started with LibreOffice Personal/Community
Online" etc.?

Lp, m.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: LOv7 RC1 is now available

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Jean, here it is:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/SI-GUI

Otherwise prereleases and latest versions of builds can always be directly
downloaded from here:
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/

Must warn macOS users on this list of a LO7RC1 bug I noticed on macOS (and
reported) - for me LO7RC1 crashes on opening a new document (and not on
opening an existing document).

Lp, m.

V V tor., 7. jul. 2020 ob 03:00 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> Warning for Windows users: this version will replace your LOv6.4
> installation, so if you still have work to do on v6.4 guides, you
> might delay installing v7 - or use the method described for a
> "parallel installation" somewhere on the wiki or the website. Sorry, I
> don't have a link handy and don't have time to find it, but I'm sure
> someone reading this can provide that info.
> Jean
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:28 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
> >
> > Hello team!
> > LOv7 RC1 is now available! It installs as LibreOffice, not
> > LibreOfficeDev (as the Betas did), so it should be good for all
> > screenshots.
> >
> > To download LOv7 RC1, go to the usual download page, scroll to the
> > bottom, where you'll find "LibreOffice is available in the following
> > prerelease versions:" and click on 7.0.0. It's not in green, so it may
> > not look like a link, but it works. (It doesn't say "RC1" but that's
> > what it is.)
> > https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/
> >
> > Jean
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO V7 template status

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello. Peter,

I understand your suggestion, but since these are properly localized
user-friendly books of 200+ pages there is no need to leave dates in a
technical format.
I simply ask not to complicate localization with automating display of
dates.
The translation of month names in proper form is the simplest of l10n tasks
;)

Lp, m.

V V ned., 5. jul. 2020 ob 09:56 je oseba Peter Schofield 
napisala:

> Hello Jean and Martin
>
> The simple solution on dates is to use the internationally recognised date
> format -MM-DD. That way there is no need to worry about translation of
> month names. Having worked with multiple languages -MM-DD works very
> well.
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> > On 5 Jul 2020, at 09:34, Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Jean,
> >
> > I have one request:
> > please remove date fields for month of publication (page 2): languages
> with
> > cases are not supported properly in LO and LO does not properly adjust
> > month names (e.g. in Slovenian, LO replaces "January" with nominative
> > "januar", but in this sentence it should be genitive "januarja", like
> "12.
> > januarja 2020"; as this is a field - editing it later is also cumbersome
> > and it actually brings us to manually deleting the fields and retyping
> the
> > sentence).
> > So, for the sake of l10n into languages with cases (like Slavic languages
> > etc.) please omit month field names and replace them with normal words
> that
> > can easily be properly translated (in OmegaT, for example) as simple
> > strings.
> >
> > BTW, why is the logo on the manual cover sub-titled as "Community
> Edition"
> > - why is "Community Edtion" string required here? Can this string be
> > localized? Can a l10n team replace the logo with "only" basic LO logo in
> > its localized edition? Or remove the logo? Probably yes.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > m.
> >
> > V V ned., 5. jul. 2020 ob 02:35 je oseba Jean Weber  >
> > napisala:
> >
> >> I have now updated the draft v7 chapter template from comments by
> >> several team members in an earlier discussion, and I have replaced the
> >> file named LibreOffice_7.x_Template_JHW.ott in the English >
> >> Contributors Resources folder in NextCloud.
> >>
> >>
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/LibreOffice%20Documentation/English/Contributor%20Resources=81380
> >>
> >> Direct shared link:
> >> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/yLJCPaqqoTSzGz3
> >>
> >> Please try it out and see if you find any errors or omissions.
> >>
> >> When we agree to use this or another variation of the template, and
> >> Olivier approves it, we'll need to change the filename to remove my
> >> initials.
> >>
> >> Regards, Jean
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 6:07 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I wasn’t at the meeting, but I can say that the template is not ready
> to
> >> use - even if everyone says they accept my version, I need to do a bit
> of
> >> tidying up before it’s good to go.
> >>>
> >>> Jean
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 19:42 Steve (GMail) 
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Olivier,
> >>>>
> >>>> For those of us who did not attend the meeting, please could you
> >>>> summarize the status with regards to the 7.0 template? Is the template
> >>>> ready for us to apply to our 7.0 guide files?
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve
> >>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: LO V7 template status

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Jean,

I have one request:
please remove date fields for month of publication (page 2): languages with
cases are not supported properly in LO and LO does not properly adjust
month names (e.g. in Slovenian, LO replaces "January" with nominative
"januar", but in this sentence it should be genitive "januarja", like "12.
januarja 2020"; as this is a field - editing it later is also cumbersome
and it actually brings us to manually deleting the fields and retyping the
sentence).
So, for the sake of l10n into languages with cases (like Slavic languages
etc.) please omit month field names and replace them with normal words that
can easily be properly translated (in OmegaT, for example) as simple
strings.

BTW, why is the logo on the manual cover sub-titled as "Community Edition"
- why is "Community Edtion" string required here? Can this string be
localized? Can a l10n team replace the logo with "only" basic LO logo in
its localized edition? Or remove the logo? Probably yes.

Thanks,
m.

V V ned., 5. jul. 2020 ob 02:35 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> I have now updated the draft v7 chapter template from comments by
> several team members in an earlier discussion, and I have replaced the
> file named LibreOffice_7.x_Template_JHW.ott in the English >
> Contributors Resources folder in NextCloud.
>
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/LibreOffice%20Documentation/English/Contributor%20Resources=81380
>
> Direct shared link:
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/yLJCPaqqoTSzGz3
>
> Please try it out and see if you find any errors or omissions.
>
> When we agree to use this or another variation of the template, and
> Olivier approves it, we'll need to change the filename to remove my
> initials.
>
> Regards, Jean
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 6:07 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
> >
> > I wasn’t at the meeting, but I can say that the template is not ready to
> use - even if everyone says they accept my version, I need to do a bit of
> tidying up before it’s good to go.
> >
> > Jean
> >
> > On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 19:42 Steve (GMail) 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Olivier,
> >>
> >> For those of us who did not attend the meeting, please could you
> >> summarize the status with regards to the 7.0 template? Is the template
> >> ready for us to apply to our 7.0 guide files?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Steve
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Template 7.x update

[Martin Srebotnjak]

I totally agree, Peter.
Design should be left to professionals. The points you raise are 101 design
axioms.

Lp, m.

V sob., 6. jun. 2020 12:21 je oseba Peter Schofield 
napisala:

> I have just created a draft version of the Preface Impress Guide Version
> 7.0 using the new 7.0 templet that Olivier has created.
>
> I do now have questions.
>
> 1. Why change the colour for headings? There is a different colour for
> each LO module. What is wrong with one colour for all modules to help
> create a corporate identity?
>
> 2. Why change the font used for text to a serif font and keep a sans serif
> font for headings? Using a mix of font faces does not look professional. In
> my opinion, a serif font never looks good on monitor and this is where user
> guides will be mostly read. Also, LibreOffice uses a sans serif in the
> menus and dialogs. Always looks better to match fonts.
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> > On 5 Jun 2020, at 02:22, Olivier Hallot 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Team
> > I have updated the template following the meeting this last Thursday
> > June 4th.
> >
> > I admit the bullet and numbering lists is not yet perfect, It has
> > challenged me for some hours and included chasing a bug that messed with
> > list bullet position vs paragraph indentation.
> >
> > file is template7a_OH.ott in the /Contributor Resource/ folder.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > --
> > Olivier Hallot
> > LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator
> > Comunidade LibreOffice
> > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Date on Reviewed FIles

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Since the site is not only for English documentation teams, it hosts also
localization teams and they should probably use the same procedure for
localisation as is set for updating/reviewing original guides, I suggest to
use the universal date format 2020-05-28. This way dates in all status
sheets from all teams will be readable to all.

Lp, m.

V V čet., 28. maj 2020 ob 11:53 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> I strongly recommend using this format: which is completely unambiguous and
> clear: 27May2020.
> Jean
>
> On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 16:05 Kevin Berry  wrote:
>
> > Okay, another question- I dont meant o be irritating or anything, sorry
> :)
> > Thanks for all of your replies.
> >
> > I noticed the file guide names have dates like 27May2020, but then in the
> > spreadsheet, people are putting in dates like 27/05/20.
> >
> > I looked at the Draw guide's status spreadsheet, and they have all of
> > theirs in numerical only format, like 27/05/20.
> >
> > In the Calc status spreadsheet, do I spell out the month, or do I keep it
> > as only numerical?
> >
> > Should the Calc status spreadsheet have 27May2020, or should it have
> > 27/05/20?
> >
> >
> >
> > Gordon Bates
> > github.com/jdoes
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 10:55 PM Kevin Berry 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you Jean and Kees.
> > >
> > > OOOooohh, okay:
> > > "This is also the date you enter in the Guide status sheet."
> > >
> > > That is an easy way to remember it!
> > >
> > > Gordon Bates
> > > github.com/jdoes
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 9:44 PM  wrote:
> > >
> > >> In my opinion it is the return date.
> > >> This is also the date you enter in the Guide status sheet.
> > >>
> > >> Kees
> > >>
> > >> Kevin Berry schreef op 28.05.2020 01:13:
> > >> > Do I append the date when I downloaded the file for review, or do I
> > >> > append
> > >> > the return date into the filename?
> > >> >
> > >> > Gordon Bates
> > >> > github.com/jdoes
> > >>
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] 6.x template file

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,

there is some confusion, yes, as can be seen on the page
https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/

Covers for guides of same-release modules or suite (i.e. 6.4) seem not
follow the same cover template (just looking at the size of "6.4" on those
preview pics).

Some design unification/check prior to publication is probably welcome.

Lp, m.

V V sre., 20. maj 2020 ob 12:03 je oseba Steve Fanning <
stevemfanning...@gmail.com> napisala:

> All,
>
> For the sake of clarity, I believe that the master
> template for 6.x
> guides is the file LibreOffice_6.x_Template.ott, in the Nextcloud folder
> LibreOffice Documentation > English > Contributor Resources.
>
> Please could anybody who thinks otherwise provide
> information about
> an alternative location?
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base 6.2 Guide full book needs checking

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, all,

I think that GS chapter still hasn't had its styles updated.

Lp, m.

V V pon., 4. maj 2020 ob 05:05 je oseba Pulkit Krishna <
pulkitkrishn...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Hello Jean,
> I have taken chapter 8 of GS for its fourth review. After that you can
> compile that book also.
> Pulkit Krishna
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 4:31 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> > Pulkit spotted a minor error, which I have now fixed and replaced the
> > ODT and PDF in NextCloud.
> > -Jean
> >
> > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:24 AM randolph gamo 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jean
> > > I just did a high level overview and could not spot any problems.
> > > Regards
> > > GAMO NANA Servais Randolph,
> > > "Au service du pauvre et du malheureux"
> > > TEL: +237 697518768
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Jean Weber 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I've uploaded the compiled Base 6.2 Guide to the Published folder and
> > >> replaced most of the chapters in that folder with amended ones
> > >> (correcting minor things I found while compiling, like numbered lists
> > >> that didn't restart).
> > >>
> > >> Please check the PDF to see if it's complete and has no glaring
> > >> errors. I had a quick look but I may have missed something. Also, the
> > >> NextCloud was throwing up error messages, so it's possible the
> > >> uploaded file might have errors.
> > >>
> > >> I will not be producing a printed copy of this book any time soon,
> > >> because Lulu (where the other books have been done) has just
> > >> completely revised their website and publishing process and a lot of
> > >> things no longer work. They say they're working on fixing it.
> > >>
> > >> Jean
> > >>
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] GS 6.4

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Well, the Base chapter still needs 2nd review, it is in the Drafts folder
...
See the guide status.

Lp, m.

V V sre., 29. apr. 2020 ob 12:46 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> OK, I’ll do that tomorrow.
>
> On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 19:49 randolph gamo 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jean,
> > All drafts have now been reviewed.
> > could you move forward with the publishing ?
> > Regards
> >
> > *GAMO NANA Servais Randolph*,
> > "Au service du pauvre et du malheureux"
> > TEL: +237 697518768
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide — 3D Effects

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Thanks, Peter, for noting that.

It seems that we need a wiki page with all the thing that are not funcional
in macOS.

Since most programmers of LO write/say what Regina wrote here, it would
maybe help if TDF could buy one mac and have it available to LO programmers
and testers via remote desktop to text/locate/fix such issues. Regina,
would that make sense? I know there are macOS-specific developers on the
dev team, but maybe there are very specific fields (like this) where
actually a dev from that specific area could work/help faster with the
issue.

Lp, m.

V V sob., 18. apr. 2020 ob 13:15 je oseba Regina Henschel <
rb.hensc...@t-online.de> napisala:

> Hi Peter
>
> Peter Schofield schrieb am 18-Apr-20 um 12:57:
> > Hello Regina
> >
> > A few days ago I made a comment that I could not get 3D Effects dialog
> to open in Draw. I have now discovered the problem.
> >
> > In LO Draw version 6.4, 3D Effects dialog does not open. This only
> happens in macOS. Windows 10 version works OK.
> >
> > In LO Draw version 6.3, 3D Effects dialog opens without problem and the
> tools work in macOS.
> >
> > I have submitted a bug.
>
> I have seen the bug report. But I work on Windows and cannot do anything
> about the bug.
>
> You can use version 6.3. There were no changes on the dialog from 6.3 to
> 6.4.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Videos for embedded into online help

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

if so, all videos should be available for translation, because help is
localized :)
I cannot find the script of this particular video to translate on wiki:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Videos

Could it be possible that such video subtitles would be merged into help
files to be localized by the l10n team via regular help l10n systems?
Probably this makes no sense for "new features" videos, but for
explanations of certain functions only (new features need to be quickly
localized just before the launch of the software).

Lp, m.

V V pet., 17. apr. 2020 ob 13:15 je oseba Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> napisala:

> Hello,
>
> We have the possibility to embed YouTube videos into help pages, is that
> right? I'm sure I've seen this somewhere, or perhaps it was just a demo.
>
> In any case, Harald Berger has created this video (with my voice!),
> introducing file management with LibreOffice on Windows 10:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jfzgD6GwQ0
>
> Perhaps it could be embedded into a relevant help page?
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] User Guides Images

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Luke,

V V čet., 16. apr. 2020 ob 20:43 je oseba Luke (gmail) <
luke.kend...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Why not export ODG to SVG, as vector components will stay high res and
> scalable, and image parts will stay as images, and it's supported by EPUB?
>

for pure screenshots of UI and its elements a raster image is needed, so
PNG is used.
Localized guides will need new generated screenshots from a localized UI.

For graphics with text about elements in the pictures, that requires direct
localization for localized builds - archived ODG is preferred (where
exported PNGs will be used in the book).

Lp, m.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide 6.4 Chapter 5

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Great, I only looked at the Guide Status document and there was no note of
the documents finished with 1st review (the Return date column).
I now added the date you put them back into the Feedback folder (March 17),
so someone can take them out for the 2nd review.

Thanks,
Martin

V V ned., 5. apr. 2020 ob 12:58 je oseba Peter Schofield 
napisala:

> I reviewed both chapters and did several changes. They need someone else
> to give them both a once over and they will be ready for publishing.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter Schofield
> Sent from my iPad Mini
>
> On 5 Apr 2020, at 12:25, Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:
>
> 
> Hi, Peter,
>
> you took out two chapters of the LO64 GS guide (Impress and Draw) for
> review and those are the only chapters still waiting for 1st review. Do you
> plan to review them in the near future or should someone else take them
> over for 1st review?
>
> Thanks,
> m.
>
> V V ned., 5. apr. 2020 ob 11:48 je oseba Peter Schofield <
> psaut...@gmail.com> napisala:
>
>> First draft of Chapter 5 Combining Multiple Objects Draw Guide Version
>> 6.4 is now available for review and comment.
>>
>> Now onto Chapter 6.
>>
>> Peter Schofield
>> psaut...@gmail.com
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide 6.4 Chapter 5

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Peter,

you took out two chapters of the LO64 GS guide (Impress and Draw) for
review and those are the only chapters still waiting for 1st review. Do you
plan to review them in the near future or should someone else take them
over for 1st review?

Thanks,
m.

V V ned., 5. apr. 2020 ob 11:48 je oseba Peter Schofield 
napisala:

> First draft of Chapter 5 Combining Multiple Objects Draw Guide Version 6.4
> is now available for review and comment.
>
> Now onto Chapter 6.
>
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] FYI - LibreOffice Online on the TDF NC server supports personal templates

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Drew,
Slovenian is not supported out of the box and some packages must be addade.
So I wish that would be explained in the guide, before I start localizing
it into Slovenian.
Othwrwise it makes no sense.
Lp, m.

V čet., 26. mar. 2020 00:36 je oseba Drew Jensen 
napisala:

> Howdy,
>
> As it turns out (and found out by checking the release notes) that feature
> showed up with the 6.3 release. So it should be in the guide already.
>
> On the other hand 6.4 is out now and there are only a handful of updates,
> all with screenshots it appears, in the wiki release notes.
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 1:09 PM Martin Srebotnjak 
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Drew.
> >
> > If this isn't already a part of LOOL guide (at least it seems to me), it
> > could be added (Chapter 3 or 8?).
> >
> > As well as guidelines about finding and installing language packs for
> LOOL
> > (to support UI in other languages and the
> > spell-checking/hyphenation/thesaurus). Info is needed for non-English
> > installs (Chapter 2). Without there is little sense in localizing LOOL
> > guide to other languages.
> >
>
> Yes, an LOOL Admin guide.
>
> Just now I went into the NC server and from the Settings function changed
> my account to use Espanol as my language and local. Went into LOOL and sure
> enough the application UI is Spanish. I still had to change the language
> for the new document to Spanish but once I did that it found the right
> spell checker - so it is all there and you are right it should be
> documented how to admin it, but I wonder how much of that would be
> dependent on which CMS LOOL is running with? IDK
>
>
>
> >
> > Lp, m.
> >
> > V V sre., 25. mar. 2020 ob 00:39 je oseba Drew Jensen <
> > drewjensen.in...@gmail.com> napisala:
> >
> >> Howdy,
> >>
> >> Just thought I'd pass this along for those utilizing the LOOL services.
> >>
> >> LOOL 6.4 on the NC server allows you to setup your own template
> >> directory which will be used when you create new documents.
> >>
> >> To set it up:
> >>
> >> 1 - Decide which directory (folder) you want to use. I created a new
> >> folder
> >> named 'My Templates' in my default folder and dropped the LO 6 Guide
> >> template .ott file into it. Along with a Calc template.
> >>
> >> 2 - Go to the NextCloud settings page. Click on your avatar, upper right
> >> corner of the screen, and select settings.
> >>
> >> 3 - Open the LOOL section.
> >>
> >> 4 - Enter the name of the folder in the text box belore: 'Select a
> >> template
> >> directory". I entered 'My Templates'
> >>
> >> 5 - Create a new Writer document, after you give it a name and click go
> a
> >> window will open with two thumbnails, one named 'Blank' which is the
> >> system
> >> default (A4, German lang, etc) and one for the LO 6 Guide template. Just
> >> click on the the thumbnail you want and away it goes.
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Drew
> >>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: LibreOffice Base Documentation

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Pulkrit,

we are volunteers.

Please be patient and do not use words like "should" nor give orders to the
members of the documentation team.

It is rude.

Lp, m.

V čet., 26. mar. 2020 06:24 je oseba Pulkit Krishna <
pulkitkrishn...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Hello Drew,
> Are you done with the review of chapter 09? You should have done that.
>
> Pulkit Krishna
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 10:45 AM Pulkit Krishna  >
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Dan,
> > You should take chapter 7 DB connections for its second review.
> >
> > Pulkit Krishna
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 7:31 PM Dan Lewis 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I have complete the first review of chapter 10 uploading it to the
> >> feedback folder. The Guide Status has also been updated. I have
> >> something to do today but will be selecting another chapter either for
> >> the first or second review tomorrow. Yes, tomorrow is the next meeting
> >> at 1800 UTC (GMC for us older people...)
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> On 3/25/20 01:18, Jean Weber wrote:
> >> > I have now taken Appendix A for first review. Expected return date 28
> >> March.
> >> > Jean
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 4:35 PM Jean Weber 
> wrote:
> >> >> I may not have time to do any reviewing for several days. Sorry.
> >> >> Jean
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 19:33 Pulkit Krishna <
> pulkitkrishn...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>> Hello Jean,
> >> >>> You can take appendix 1 for its first review.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Pulkit Krishna
> >> >>>
> >>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] FYI - LibreOffice Online on the TDF NC server supports personal templates

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Thanks, Drew.

If this isn't already a part of LOOL guide (at least it seems to me), it
could be added (Chapter 3 or 8?).

As well as guidelines about finding and installing language packs for LOOL
(to support UI in other languages and the
spell-checking/hyphenation/thesaurus). Info is needed for non-English
installs (Chapter 2). Without there is little sense in localizing LOOL
guide to other languages.

Lp, m.

V V sre., 25. mar. 2020 ob 00:39 je oseba Drew Jensen <
drewjensen.in...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Howdy,
>
> Just thought I'd pass this along for those utilizing the LOOL services.
>
> LOOL 6.4 on the NC server allows you to setup your own template
> directory which will be used when you create new documents.
>
> To set it up:
>
> 1 - Decide which directory (folder) you want to use. I created a new folder
> named 'My Templates' in my default folder and dropped the LO 6 Guide
> template .ott file into it. Along with a Calc template.
>
> 2 - Go to the NextCloud settings page. Click on your avatar, upper right
> corner of the screen, and select settings.
>
> 3 - Open the LOOL section.
>
> 4 - Enter the name of the folder in the text box belore: 'Select a template
> directory". I entered 'My Templates'
>
> 5 - Create a new Writer document, after you give it a name and click go a
> window will open with two thumbnails, one named 'Blank' which is the system
> default (A4, German lang, etc) and one for the LO 6 Guide template. Just
> click on the the thumbnail you want and away it goes.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Tutorial

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Pulkit,

decisions as to what the official Documentation-team-produced documentation
will be is decided on Doc team meetings.

Maybe it would be best to discuss this there before you start working on it.

Lp, m.

V V tor., 24. mar. 2020 ob 07:35 je oseba Pulkit Krishna <
pulkitkrishn...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Hello Everybody,
> I have created a folder called LibreOffice Tutorials. I have placed the
> Work Files for LibreOffice 6 in the supplemental folder inside it. I have
> also uploaded the first draft of preface and chapter 1. I have updated the
> spreadsheet accordingly. Can anyone take the preface and chapter 1 for its
> review. I think 1 review would suffice.
>
> Pulkit Krishna
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:39 AM Pulkit Krishna  >
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > I will start the work.
> >
> > Pulkit Krishna
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:34 AM Drew Jensen  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:43 AM Pulkit Krishna <
> pulkitkrishn...@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I am not saying to remove the original guide. They can be there for
> the
> >> > teachers. We can change it to make it for everyone and publish the new
> >> > guides.
> >> > I have asked the permission of Benard Poole for it.
> >> >
> >>
> >> That is all well and good and if you really want to spend time
> re-writing
> >> it great.
> >>
> >> What I'm saying is that what I would like to see first and also is for
> the
> >> documentation page on the main website to have a place for listing these
> >> types of resources so they get some visibility.
> >>
> >> Another example, a series of books I didn't see listed there from Bruce
> >> Byfield who did a nice job a couple years back on Typographic Design
> with
> >> LibreOffice. I'm sure there are others. I think the ROI would be much
> >> greater doing that then rewriting things so they are LO branded and
> >> distributed from the TDF infrastructure.
> >>
> >> Drew
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Pulkit Krishna
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:55 AM Pulkit Krishna <
> >> pulkitkrishn...@gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I am not saying to remove the original guide. They can be there for
> >> the
> >> > > teachers. We can change it to make it for everyone and publish the
> new
> >> > > guides.
> >> > > I have asked the permission of Benard Poole for it.
> >> > >
> >> > > Pulkit Krishna
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:51 AM Drew Jensen <
> >> drewjensen.in...@gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Howdy,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> A short comings here, IMO (and it was inherited), is an uneasiness
> >> about
> >> > >> promoting anything that isn't sitting on a TDF property.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I would much rather see us put some thought into helping get the
> word
> >> > out
> >> > >> that the resource for teachers is there then to take the time to
> >> rebrand
> >> > >> it
> >> > >> and likely dilute it by changing the focus.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> At this moment it seems particularly fitting given the number of
> >> people
> >> > >> faced with helping their children or themselves (k-college) deal
> with
> >> > >> switch from brick and mortar schools to virtual.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Drew
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:00 AM Pulkit Krishna <
> >> > pulkitkrishn...@gmail.com
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > I am talking about changing the whole guide so that it is meant
> for
> >> > >> every
> >> > >> > one instead of only teachers and then publishing it.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Pulkit Krishna
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:26 AM Pulkit Krishna <
> >> > >> pulkitkrishn...@gmail.com
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > > I am talking about changing the whole guide so that it is meant
> >> for
> >> > >> every
> >> > >> > > one instead of only teachers and then publishing it.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > Pulkit Krishna
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:25 AM Pulkit Krishna <
> >> > >> > pulkitkrishn...@gmail.com>
> >> > >> > > wrote:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >> I am talking about hanging the whole guide so that it is meant
> >> for
> >> > >> every
> >> > >> > >> one instead of only teachers and then publishing it.
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> Pulkit Krishna
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:19 AM Drew Jensen <
> >> > >> > drewjensen.in...@gmail.com>
> >> > >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >>> Why would we change it instead of simply promoting the
> location
> >> > >> where
> >> > >> > it
> >> > >> > >>> already exists?
> >> > >> > >>>
> >> > >> > >>>
> >> > >> > >>>
> >> > >> > >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:46 AM Pulkit Krishna <
> >> > >> > >>> pulkitkrishn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> > >>>
> >> > >> >  Hello Everybody,
> >> > >> >  There is a set of LibreOffice tutorial written by Benard
> >> Poole.
> >> > >> Those
> >> > >> >  tutorials are meant for y=teachers and for some extent for
> >> > >> students. I
> 

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] link between UI translate and Help translate

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello, Roman,

I am not sure that will work for all languages. Also, sometimes toolbars,
keys or icons are localized in more informal way, like the status bar, Ctrl
etc. and as such are used with cases in sentences, which poses a problem
for using static stings in Nominative, at least for languages with cases.
So this is a question for the l10n list.

Also, AFAIK, the reference IDs can change when a UI/help element is
touched, so it is really not static and eternal. When a menu item would
change, its ID could change and then also the reference in the help string
would not work. I am not sure I am right, but strings' IDs do change
occasionally, as I can see in the po files.

Lp, m.

V V pet., 6. mar. 2020 ob 10:28 je oseba sophi 
napisala:

> Hi Roman,
>
> Le 05/03/2020 à 20:58, Роман К. a écrit :
> >
> > Hi, Sophie and Olivier.
> > I told with Ilmari about it and he said to write about it to you both
> too.
> >
> > So (it just copy of our chat):
> >
> > I have an idea about link between UI translate and Help translate
> > we have unique ID for all translatable UI elements like FgbHn
> > may be we'll can set up the weblate to use it in Help strings like:
> > "Select FgbHn - FdsaD to open file" instead "Select File - Open to open
> file"
> > and weblate itself use translated UI in Help in automate mode?
> >  @Kompilainenn you mean to avoid fuzzy translations?
> > it's too, but now if Andreas (for example) changed UI element from
> "File" to "File:" then the same need to do in Help
> > manually!
> > or it was "Line" and became "Lines and Curves"
> > and in UI we translate it again anyway
> > but in Help we should translate it else one time
> > it will help us in case if we translate some UI element to new Russian
> word without ID change
> > and in Russian Help it would can change automatic
> > and we always will be have consistent UI names in localized GUI and in
> localized Help
> > possibly we would be have it in weblate as tags like  and
> all translators would know that it needs just copy to its translate
> >
> > what do you think?
>
> Thank you for your proposal. I think it's very interesting and would
> help a lot. I don't know if it's technically possible in the help files.
> The other thing to take into account is those who don't use Weblate to
> translate should still be able to do it.
> Let's discuss this with Olivier and Cloph who are much more skilled than
> me here.
> Cheers
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide v6.4

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Jean et. al.,

I prefer waiting for reviews and publishing them cleaned with odtcleaner
script so translation can go from there on.

In the GS64 status spreadsheet it says that chapter 8 (Base) hasn't had
style updated yet. That is probably a mistake?

Thanks, m.

V V sre., 5. feb. 2020 ob 08:45 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> I've updated all the chapters of the Getting Started Guide to LO v6.4.
> I've also done the front and back covers and the master document.
> Everything is in the Drafts folder, except for the chapters that have
> been reviewed and are in either Feedback or Published.
>
> We could either publish a first iteration of the book as it is and
> then update it when the chapters have been reviewed, or wait until the
> reviews have occurred.
>
> I'm taking a break now to do something else.
>
> Cheers, Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Chapter 1

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Dimona,

I suggest you base your updates on LO6.4 (LO6.4 RC2 is out for testing, and
it's feature- and string-frozen), as it will be officially released in
about three weeks.

Lp, m.

V V sre., 15. jan. 2020 ob 20:39 je oseba Dimona Delvere <
dimonadelv...@outlook.com> napisala:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I have created a first edit of Impress Chapter 1 (uploaded to the draft
> folder).
>
> I have also included in comments things that didn't quite work for me. May
> be someone who will read it, could double check it too. ( I used Windows).
>
> I haven't edited references to pages and contents as these are affected by
> cutting/adding content.
>
> I am happy to improve it further. This one is my first edit so please feel
> free to let me know if something was incorrectly edited/reviewed.
>
> Many Thanks,
>
> Dimona
>
> Dimona Delvere
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] FAQ in other languages than English

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Robert,

yesterday the wiki translation plugin also did not work anymore for me. It
must bw a problem of the wiki, I tried several browsers.

Lp, m.


V sob., 4. jan. 2020 09:14 je oseba Robert Großkopf <
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> Hi *,
>
> sometimes ago I had translated most of the FAQ-Base to German and also
> changed some content in the German FAQ.
>
> Now there has been added some content in English to the German FAQ -
> don't know why. I wanted to change this to German content, but I can't
> change anything in the German content.
> Tried it with
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/008/de
>
> Don't know what has been changed there, but the editor is unusable for me.
>
> Regards
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Status of Calc Guide 6.2

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Jean (& Olivier),

Olivier made a master document for GS60 that is useful for automatically
creating a full guide from chapter files, maybe this can be also done for
Calc60guide?

Lp, m.

V V pon., 25. nov. 2019 ob 22:16 je oseba Cathy Crumbley 
napisala:

> That sounds like a good plan. I am glad that you are willing and able to
> invest the time in finalizing the book..
>
> On 11/24/2019 5:42 PM, Jean Weber wrote:
> > Yo, team! You may recall my suggestion 2-3 weeks ago that we leave the
> > proposed two new chapters out of the book we’re working on, so we don’t
> > hold up publication any longer than necessary. I don’t recall seeing any
> > disagreement, or indeed much response at all, so I’m taking the standard
> > open-source attitude of moving ahead with the idea. (And glad to see work
> > continues on other chapters.)
> >
> > Now I have a further proposal: I will be back home in 3 weeks (15
> > December), when I will do a final edit of all the chapters and publish
> the
> > book in PDF. That means: whatever state the chapters are in at that time.
> > If further updates are needed, it’s not difficult to do so and
> regenerate a
> > PDF.
> >
> > (Note: I don’t participate in Christmas or other end-of-year festivities,
> > so it’s a good time for me to publish a book.)
> >
> > Any objections? Concerns? Comments?
> >
> > Let’s finish this book!
> >
> > Cheers, Jean
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Next project after Calc Guide

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,

the GS was last updated with LO6.0 and since this is the main general guide
for LO, I think it is worth of regular updates. It is also the most
translated of the guides and thus an always updated version could trigger
even more localizations.

Since GS60 update was quite thorough I believe the update to 6.4 could be
driven by a few expert writers like Jean quite smoothly.

Another team of writers could give their love to the Impress guide that
probably needs a full rewrite covering new features, GUI options/versions
and screenshots. But probably it would be wise to finish the Calc update
first.

Lp, m.

V V pon., 25. nov. 2019 ob 06:59 je oseba 
napisala:

> Hi Jean
>
> I don't know if there are much UI-changes between 6.3 and 6.4 to make is
> worth to update the guides for.
> Further more there are still guides in 6.3 that aren't update.
> I vote for the Impress-guide to be updated.
>
> Kind regards, Kees
>
> Jean Weber schreef op 24.11.2019 23:51:
> > What book should we work on after the Calc Guide? Getting Started with
> > LO6.4, or something else?
> >
> > While working on the Calc Guide, I found a lot of errors in the current
> > GS
> > that will need to be fixed along with updates. Many of the errors are
> > out
> > of date info that wasn’t removed or updated. Our QA on the docs hasn’t
> > been
> > as thorough as it should be. (I let a lot of errors slip by in the
> > Writer
> > Guide, too.)
> >
> > Jean
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Migrationdialogue Firebird - Added content to HowTo

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,

the page is now fully localized into Slovenian, except for the screenshots.

So, what needs to be done that LO63 with Slovenian UI will offer the sl
link of this wiki page? Is it already coded that way or should we enter a
bug report?

Lp, m.


V V sre., 17. jul. 2019 ob 17:47 je oseba Robert Großkopf <
rob...@familiegrosskopf.de> napisala:

> Hi Sophie,
>
> > Olivier has worked on it (thanks!), it's now translatable via the wiki
> > extension.
>
> How could we change the translated pages?
>
> There are English screenshots in the page, which has been translated to
> German (By the way: the original page has been in German ...)
> Parts of the SQL-Code are translated - most of it isn't.
>
> The only page I could change is the English version of the HowTo.
>
> regards
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Migrationdialogue Firebird - Added content to HowTo

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,

I am cross-posting this also to l10n list, as this needs to be localized
for 6.3 release as well (at least for languages that want it localized).

Will this page get under a l10n wiki plug-in for translation or should we
translate this wiki page manually?

Will links to localized wiki page in localized versions of LO63 work
automatically or should I open a special bug for that?

Please reply ASAP so I can start localizing.

Lp, m.

V V ned., 14. jul. 2019 ob 16:15 je oseba Robert Großkopf <
rob...@familiegrosskopf.de> napisala:

> Hi *,
>
> there is a link in the dialogue of the migration-wizard for migrating
> from internal HSQLDB to internal Firebird database. This link had been
> created, but no content has been there. I have added the content from my
> homepage. Translation into English sould be corrected by somebody else,
> but without content this link of the migration dialogue is only irritating.
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo/MigrateFromHSQLDB
>
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>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] One of the new tips makes no sense to me.

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Want to move a column in Calc in-between two others in a single step? Click
the header of a column, then a cell in this column, while pressing Alt key
keep mouse button pressed and move it to the desired position.

Not totally grammatically correct, but probably makes more sense.

But this has further errors. On macOS there is no Alt key, the key is named
Option, this tooltip (as many others, also the ones pointing to the Options
menu) should have OS-specific switches in there. Really buggy.

Who from the Documentation team did the review and gave a thumb up to these
tips?

Lp, m.


V V sob., 1. jun. 2019 ob 09:08 je oseba  napisala:

> Translating I run into next Tip.
>
> Move a column in Calc between two others in one step? Click the header
> then a cell in the column, keep mouse button and move to the target with
> Alt key.
>
> This one makes no sense to me. But maybe I just don't understand it.
>
> Kind regards,
> Kees
>
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Re: Re:Re: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] May I change the License within the Simple-Chinese version book (Getting Started Guide6.0) ?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

icense, NOT the English book's license.
>>
>> In my Simple-Chinese version book:
>>
>>- The contents of the copyright are exactly the same as the original
>>English version, including contributors (current edition and previous
>>edition), no changes.
>>- And, the copyright page number is the same as the English version:
>>number 2, after the cover page.
>>- And, using the same font size, the same font type, the same font
>>color, and the same page layout as the English version book.
>>
>> --Fourth--
>> Done. The above is my plan.
>> But before the distribution, I want to ask the documentation team member
>> or original author for advice.
>>
>> 
>> So, can I choose CC-BY-SA4.0 instead of GPL3/CC-BY4.0 ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks and best wishes,
>> Yichuang驿窗
>>
>>
>>
>> At 2019-05-03 20:34:13, "Martin Srebotnjak"  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> you cannot delete the GPL3 license (or change a license, even if it is
>> very very similar), as the previous iterations (now parts) of the text were
>> published under those terms and conditions. Unless you get direct approval
>> from *all* the authors of those previous versions (published under those
>> two licenses), you cannot do that yourself.
>>
>> Lp, m.
>>
>> V V pet., 3. maj 2019 ob 14:36 je oseba 驿窗  napisala:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm translating the LibreOffice Getting Started Guide 6.0 from English
>>> to Simple-Chinese, and I will finish the translation work and upload the
>>> Simple-Chinese version book(Getting Started Guide 6.0) in this month.
>>>
>>>
>>> Before upload, I want to change the License to CC-BY-SA 4.0 (Refer to
>>> the bottom right corner of this link：
>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page)(and here CC-BY-SA4:
>>> https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ ) in the Simple-Chinese
>>> version book, and, I will delete the GPL3 and CC-BY4.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can I?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks and best wishes,
>>> yichuang驿窗
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] May I change the License within the Simple-Chinese version book (Getting Started Guide6.0) ?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,

you cannot delete the GPL3 license (or change a license, even if it is very
very similar), as the previous iterations (now parts) of the text were
published under those terms and conditions. Unless you get direct approval
from *all* the authors of those previous versions (published under those
two licenses), you cannot do that yourself.

Lp, m.

V V pet., 3. maj 2019 ob 14:36 je oseba 驿窗  napisala:

> Hi,
>
>
> I'm translating the LibreOffice Getting Started Guide 6.0 from English to
> Simple-Chinese, and I will finish the translation work and upload the
> Simple-Chinese version book(Getting Started Guide 6.0) in this month.
>
>
> Before upload, I want to change the License to CC-BY-SA 4.0 (Refer to the
> bottom right corner of this link：
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page)(and here CC-BY-SA4:
> https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ ) in the Simple-Chinese
> version book, and, I will delete the GPL3 and CC-BY4.
>
>
> Can I?
>
>
>
>
> Thanks and best wishes,
> yichuang驿窗
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Tip Of The Day

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Well, the strings landed in Pootle and are subject for translation.

Also, translators cannot wait indefinitely. There are quite a number of new
longer help strings that require a lot of translating (more than 500 of
those if not even more). The alpha comes out in the beginning of May the
200+ new tips strings need to be available enough time before the release
to be translated properly.

If these are not production ready, maybe the tips should only land in
6.4/master so you have enough time to polish them in English?

Lp, m.

V V čet., 25. apr. 2019 ob 20:12 je oseba Heiko Tietze <
tietze.he...@gmail.com> napisala:

> The strings are under heavy investigations, translation is a bit too
> early. What do you suggest about the links?
>
> On 25.04.19 17:13, Olivier Hallot wrote:
> > Hi Heiko
> >
> > When translating the tip-of-the-day in Pootle I see "LibreOffice" used
> > while usually, we employ the variable "%PRODUCTNAME".
> >
> > %PRODUCTNAME allows branding of the software.
> >
> > It worth to note that many links points to TDF services such as wiki and
> > ask... On a branded product, that may create conflicts.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Olivier
> >
> >
> > Em 11/04/2019 04:32, Heiko Tietze escreveu:
> >> On 10.04.19 20:10, Olivier Hallot wrote:
> >>> After browsing some on the bottom I think there should be a minimal set
> >>> of rules for writing tips. Here are some out of my mind and not
> exaustive:
> >>> ...
> >>
> >> Fully agree.
> >>
> >>> Some other questions...
> >>> * Is there a max size for the tip in characters?
> >>
> >> IIRC the dialog is resized when the text not fits into the given
> height. There is no limit in the code - but l10n tools may cut later.
> >>
> >>> * Will the tips be segmented per module (should!)
> >>
> >> The tip is independent from the module meaning you get Calc in Writer
> and vice versa. I think simplicity is trump here and changing this would
> make it into a Tip-For-The-Module-Of-The-Day ;-).
> >>
> >>> * Localization of images?
> >>
> >> You cannot provide images per installed localization. And actually I
> like the British humor too and Brazilian designers are excellent.
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] New XHP editor online for testing and feedback

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello Olivier et. al.,

will the editor in any way change underlying string/text
non-changed-with-editing code (i.e. if a small edit of one word is
performed, does the whole chunk of help page save/change (regarding also
xml checks and corrections and beautification?).

Did you try any tests, how many fuzzy strings does a small edit of one word
on an average hep page in English cause in git/po files? I am just worried
that this might cause a lot of fuzzy (not fully translated) strings in l10n
projects and a lot of collateral damage for l10n teams. But I might just be
too much worried.

Thanks, m.

V V pon., 14. jan. 2019 ob 12:43 je oseba Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> Hi Help Authors, L10n Translators and developers
>
> Following Mike's announcement, I have improved and fixed a bit the XHP
> editor, and changed the page address (*) (apologies)
>
> The editor is still work in progress, but starts to become interesting
> for creating and editing Help pages.
>
> What's new
>
> --
>
> + Mike's implementation of the autocompletion of XHP tags
>
> + The left and right panes are now fixed in browser screen and scrollable
>
> + The right pane uses 99% of the current Help transformation rendering,
> plus
>
> + some visual debug information left intentionally to help Author in
> adjusting s, s and s
>
> + You can now open a Help page directly from the interface. The help
> page is normally
>
> source/text//AAA/BBB/myHelpPage.xhp
>
> Type /AAA/BBB/myHelpPage.xhp in the text box and click "Open
> File" to load in the editor
>
> Press "Render page" to see it on the right.
>
> + A set of buttons with XHP snippets to shorten editing workload:
>
> - For paragraphs, notes, headings, emph, menuitems, etc... select the
> raw text or contents and click the corresponding button. The raw text
> will be wrapped with the opening and closing tag. For paragraph-like
> contents, an unique id will be created automatically.
>
> - Other snippets builds fragments of XHP tags, such as tables, tablerow,
> lists, sections, and more, including the
>
> - just play with and do not forget to render the page on the right.
>
> Restrictions
>
> -
>
> + The editor works with Firefox only. Issues with Chrome and Edge. Other
> browsers not yet tested.
>
> + saving files not implemented. However you can copy the editor contents
> and finish the patch in you preferred editor
>
> + More XHP checking are under development, specially id's unicity and
> DTD checking
>
> + If you get a blank page on the right, this is because you hit a bug in
> the browser transformation. Unfortunately debugging the browser
> transformation is very hard, support is almost none. We will have to
> address these issues.
>
>
> Invitation for developers and testers
>
> -
>
> You are invited to test the editor and report bugs and suggest
> improvements.
>
> The user interface is simple HTML and Javascript. If you have skills in
> these technologies you are a potential developer for the editor, but we
> know that PHP will be the right tech choice in near future.
>
> The source code is in the dev-tool repository. To clone the dev-tool
> repository :
>
> git clone https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/dev-tools dev-tools
>
> The editor is in dev-tools/help3/html/
>
> If you have a web server working in your computer (Apache, Nginx, etc...)
> you can run the editor locally:
>
> create a link between the web server root and the editor. For example,
> under Debian-like Linux:
>
> sudo cd /var/www/html
> sudo ln -s help-editor /dev-tools/help3/html
>
> and point your browser to
>
> http://localhost/help-editor
>
> Seeking Help and discussion on the editor
> -
>
> + Please use this list, the developer list and our IRC channels to get in
> touch with the development of the editor.
>
> Kind regards
>
> (*) https://newdesign.libreoffice.org/help_editor/index.html
>
> Olivier
>
> Em 04/01/2019 08:39, Mike Saunders escreveu:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Olivier and I have been working on a new XHP editor, to simplify the
> > editing of help documentation. The goals of this editor are:
> >
> > * Ease of use -- with syntax highlighting and autocompletion
> > * Web-based -- so it can be used immediately
> > * Integrated -- into the Gerrit/Git workflow
> >
> > We're still working on that final point, but for now, you can try the
> > editor here:
> >
> > https://newdesign.libreoffice.org/new_help_editor/index.html
> >
> > To test the autocompletion, start with a blank document and type a "<"
> > character. You'll see that "helpdocument" is suggested as a top-level
> > tag. Hit enter to complete it, then add ">".
> >
> > Now go to another line and add "<" again, and you'll see child tags
> > suggested: "meta" and "body". You can also close the "helpdocument" tag.
> > For some tags that have parameters, the editor will show them as well.
> >
> > Underneath, you see various 

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Doc Team Meeting Minutes

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,

please, could you further explain:
  + Supporting minor updates to published guides (pdf file)

What is the agreed notification workflow with every guide update for all
l10n teams translating these guides (content-wise, i.e. notifying "this
sentence in this chapter/page was changed from this to this" etc.) so that
the translation process continues with the really-latest version (after an
official version is already published) and as hassle/confusion-free for
l10n teams as possible?

With the delicate translation process going on in parallel with the
considered minor content updates I would instead suggest to create odt/pdf
with errata or corrigenda of a guide (and all its chapters) that gets
updated regulary and is finally merged with the guide only with its next
iteration of publication.

To quote wikipedia/*Chicago Manual of Style
*, "Errata, lists of
errors and their corrections, may take the form of loose, inserted sheets
or bound-in pages. An errata sheet is definitely not a usual part of a
book. It should never be supplied to correct simple typographical errors
 (which may be rectified
in a later printing) or to insert additions to, or revisions of, the
printed text (which should wait for the next edition of the book). It is a
device to be used only in extreme cases where errors severe enough to cause
misunderstanding are detected too late to correct in the normal way but
before the finished book is distributed. Then the errors may be listed with
their locations and their corrections on a sheet that is tipped in
, either before or after the
book is bound, or laid in loose, usually inside the front cover of the
book. (Tipping and inserting must be done by hand, thus adding considerably
to the cost of the book.)"[2]


Thanks,
Martin

V V sre., 14. nov. 2018 ob 20:31 je oseba Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> napisala:

> Wednesday November 14th2018, at 19:30 Berlin Time
>
> Presents: Drew, Cathy, Heiko, Olivier
>
> Fall back chat:
> https://irc.documentfoundation.org/?settings=#libreoffice-doc
>
> TDF Jitsi room
> https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/tdfdocteam
>
> Completed Action Items:
> +
>
> Pending:
> + Update template for Calc Guide (Drew/Dave)
> + Proposal for the future LibreOffice documentation development
> workflow (Dave)
>
> Agenda+ Discussion:
> + Supporting minor updates to published guides (pdf file)
>
> + How to handle the UI changes with Tabbed Notebook as a standard
> feature with 6.2
>  +my suggestin is another appendix which maps the change in
> toolbutton location and menu location between the standard toolbars and
> the notebook bar tabs.(Drew)
>  + Perhaps images or graphs (Drew)
>  + Guides and Help share contents (olivier)
>
> + Calc Guide appendix for LireOffice online
> +   some open questions about the stand alone LOOL and the changes
> to menu structures when it is part of a CMS such as NextCloud
>
> + Appendix for Calculation engine support for threading(Drew)
>  +Really strugglig with this (more a fyi really)
> AI: Emails developers to get more clarifications (Drew)
>
>  + Enter images in document (Cathy)
> AI: Clarify the image anchoring (olivier)
>
>  + Long editing session turns LO slow and unusable (Cathy)
>  + Some crashes.
> AI: Send offending file to olivier for inspection  (Cathy)
>
>  + What is the real user we are targeting with Calc Guide (Cathy)
>   + Upper top of users, knowledgeable Excel user (olivier)
> AI:  + Raise the issue in the mailing list (Cathy)
>
> Next meeting WednesdayNovember21st2018, at 19:30 Berlin Time
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] GS6011 - folder

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Sorry ,Dave,

I don't understand your reaction. I just wanted to help it getting
corrected.

I now again downloaded the file and cannot find any comments in it; I must
have downloaded it and opened an older version of the file, so my
apologies; I was concurrently translating the guides as they were being
edited by the team to being up-to-date with changes.

Sorry for my mistake.

Lp, m.


2018-07-08 23:03 GMT+02:00 Dave Barton :

>
> On 08.07.2018 15:03, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > it seems that Dave uploaded his review of chapter 11 of GS into the
> > Published folder on the odfauthors site - but the chapter does not seem
> > finished and published, it still contains comments.
> >
> > Also, the name of the file is not clear of initials and dates.
> >
> > Lp, m.
>
> Martin, I am now extremely tired of you publicly "/sideline sniping/" at
> my contributions. In fact I am pretty much tired of trying to do
> anything to contribute to and as I have done for many years promote this
> project. Over the past year many difficult things have been happening in
> my personal life, but I have still been a major, not the best,
> contributor to the work in getting the GS6.0 Guide finished.
>
> I have just downloaded a copy of chapter 11 from the "Published" folder
> and I can find no "leftover" comments. Are you sure you were looking at
> the copy from the "Published" folder, or was it the old copy in the
> "Feedback" folder?
>
> As for your nit-pick about file not being clear of initials and dates,
> if you consider this to be a devastatingly major issue, why did you not
> update and correct my garbage contribution yourself. Oh! I forgot, when
> I previously suggested something like this you "inanely" responded with
> the FBS proposal that, in exchange, I do your translations.
>
> Sorry Olivier, it has been a pleasure working with you, but I am out,
> done, finito, fini, fertig. There is another open source project in
> which I have an interest in contributing to their source code, so I will
> removing myself from all things related to LO/TDF.
>
> Dave
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] GS6011 - folder

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,

it seems that Dave uploaded his review of chapter 11 of GS into the
Published folder on the odfauthors site - but the chapter does not seem
finished and published, it still contains comments.

Also, the name of the file is not clear of initials and dates.

Lp, m.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation Sprint

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,

2018-05-22 17:07 GMT+02:00 DaveB :

> Using the previous 5.2 edition of this chapter as a basis for revision,
> I see that under "Printing Options" it reads: "The printer (from the
> printers available). The Print to File printer is now always available
> and will generate a PDF file that you save on your disk." This is a
> possible option available on some systems, but on other systems there is
> no option and the user will get a PRN file, normally based on the
> his/her default printer settings. Since this guide is geared towards
> inexperienced users who are unlikely to know what to do with a PRN file,
> or have software necessary to process it, I propose to remove the "Print
> to File" reference from this chapter. I would have proposed referring
> the reader to a more detailed guide, such as the Writer Guide, but that
> also has the same issue.
>
> Any thoughts, or alternative proposals?
>
>  Well, on macOS that is a possibility, to print to a file - it actually
opens a print dialog, but there you can select printing to a pdf file ...

It is actually not like exporting to a pdf file - a simple example: you can
print a document with comments printed on the page border (which is an
option for printing on a physical printer) which you cannot do when
exporting to a pdf file. Since there is a problem/bug exporting comments in
pdf files on macOS (I reported a bug in bugzilla), this is a useful option.

Lp, m.

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