Re: [Elecraft] K3 F/W versions...just curious

2008-03-22 Thread Stewart Baker
I think that now fixing the SPOT function has broken the DPB
again.
Am I the only one that views firmware updates with caution ?

I now go round checking as many functions as I can to find what
got broke in the latest fix.

I still have the funny which someone else must have seen of
loosing RX after TX using the ALT1 DSP setting.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:31:40 -0400, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:
 So...recently we've seen two F/W MCU version effectively release
on
 top of each other.


 MCU 1.78 cites:

 SPOT switch is now usable in the REF CAL menu entry.

 while we see that

 MCU 1.77 and DSP 1.58 impact

 SSB TX power overshoot corrected.

 DUAL-PASSBAND CW now working correctly (was acting like a
 single-BW 150-Hz filter).

 So...my very naive question ishow can fixing (enhancing)
SSB TX
 overshoot and Dual Psbd CW have (apparently) inadvertently
defeated
 the SPOT function?


 Just curious
 de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 F/W versions...just curious

2008-03-22 Thread Stewart Baker
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:31:40 -0400, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:
 So...recently we've seen two F/W MCU version effectively release
on
 top of each other.


 MCU 1.78 cites:

 SPOT switch is now usable in the REF CAL menu entry.

 while we see that

 MCU 1.77 and DSP 1.58 impact

 SSB TX power overshoot corrected.

 DUAL-PASSBAND CW now working correctly (was acting like a
 single-BW 150-Hz filter).

 So...my very naive question ishow can fixing (enhancing)
SSB TX
 overshoot and Dual Psbd CW have (apparently) inadvertently
defeated
 the SPOT function?


 Just curious
 de Doug KR2Q
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Re: Fw: [Elecraft] K3 CW Dual PB

2008-03-22 Thread Stewart Baker
I think that it got fixed, then broke in the latest FW release.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:32:17 -0400, Van W1WCG wrote:

 Strange, Stewart, that's just the way it sounds, also.  I've
listened
 with this mode engaged on several occasions now, and I can't
really
 observe the dual passband effect.  Moreover, the shift control
seems
 to be disabled, and the width control moves the outer bands but
does
 not seem to affect the actual passband at all, judging only by
listening.

 Firmware versions MCU 1.78 DSP 1.58

 73, Van W1WCG
 K3 #42

 - Original Message -
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 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 1:17 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Dual PB


 Looking with Spectrum Lab on CW with DPB selected all I can see
is
 one filter passband. Thought I should see 3, one center and one
 either side. :-(

 73
 Stewart G3RXQ
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification

2008-03-22 Thread Ian White GM3SEK

W0JFR wrote:


Awhile back, someone mentioned that their club/group modified the Bose Quiet
Comfort headphones with a microphone. Could you provide a description of
this modification and a list of parts?


http://www.freewebs.com/k1dg/boseheadphonemod.htm

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[Elecraft] K3 Configuration

2008-03-22 Thread Ian J Maude

Hi all,
Can I redo the K3 config on 5W with the PA physically in place or do I 
need to remove it?  I am no at all happy with the output power so I want 
to go through the config again.  Like others, I find that on SSB, the 
output does not peak at all well.
TX ALC is on but my TXGN HP Pr80 is down at 20, much lower than I have 
seen in other reports.


73 Ian

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and linear amp

2008-03-22 Thread Brendan Minish

On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 18:33 -0700, hank k8dd wrote:

 The problem with Elecraft rigs switching Ameritron amps
 has existed with the K2/100 and, so it appears, now with
 the K3/100.  

I think the problem is not elecraft rigs but amplifiers that have
unreasonably slow switching times.
10msec or longer is unreasonably slow and I think it's 'unreasonable' to
blame the manufacturer of the radio because the amp manufacturer saved a
few bucks and used a cheap, slow relay instead of a proper RF relay. 

None of my Icoms give me the ability to alter the key delay for slow
amplifiers either.

The correct approach is to mod the amp to improve matters. the other
option is to use the PTT input with a footswitch to take care of RX/TX
changeover  

 
73
Brendan EI6IZ 


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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] DVK and mic routing

2008-03-22 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
No, afraid its not possible, you have to pick one of either front ,  
rear or line in.
I'd like to be able yo use both rear and line-in simultaneously, for a  
similar method.

Separating Line-In from the Mic would be good.
--
A bit of fragrance always clings to the hand that gives the rose.
-Chinese proverb

On 22 Mar 2008, at 03:12, David Douglass wrote:


Hi All,

Looks like I'll be using my K3 in the upcoming CQWW WPX SSB contest,  
and have a question regarding routing the mic for DVK.


Is it possible to enable the front panel, and rear panel inputs  
simultaneously? I'd like to connect the rear panel input directly to  
the soundcard output on the PC, whilst still using my headset on the  
front panel input?? From what I can read in the manual I can only  
enable one input at time in the menu?


I know I could plug my heil into the soundcard and work around that  
way, but using both inputs would save me having to make a jumper  
cable, as my heil headset is hard-wired into an 8 pin connector!



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 F/W versions...just curious

2008-03-22 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

I let others
'go round checking as many functions as I can to find what got broke  
in the latest fix'

:-)
I tend to wait a couple of days before implimneting and I keep my  
previous working release, then I can go back to it if I find problems.

73 de M0XDF, K3 #174

--
Once upon a time a man whose axe was missing suspected his neighbour's  
son.
The boy walked like a thief, looked like a thief, and spoke like a  
thief.
But the man found his axe while digging in the valley, and the next  
time he

saw his neighbour's son, the boy walked, looked and spoke like any other
child. -Lao-tzu, philosopher (6th century BCE)

On 22 Mar 2008, at 08:18, Stewart Baker wrote:


I think that now fixing the SPOT function has broken the DPB
again.
Am I the only one that views firmware updates with caution ?

I now go round checking as many functions as I can to find what
got broke in the latest fix.

I still have the funny which someone else must have seen of
loosing RX after TX using the ALT1 DSP setting.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:31:40 -0400, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Configuration

2008-03-22 Thread Ken Wagner

G'morning Ian:

No, you don't have to remove the KPA3. You can do gain calibration 
procedure at any time. Just set power to exactly 5.0 watts, press tune, 
do it on all bands; then set power to 50.0 watts and do the same thing.


73,
Ken K3IU

Ian J Maude wrote:

Hi all,
Can I redo the K3 config on 5W with the PA physically in place or do I 
need to remove it?  I am no at all happy with the output power so I 
want to go through the config again.  Like others, I find that on SSB, 
the output does not peak at all well.
TX ALC is on but my TXGN HP Pr80 is down at 20, much lower than I have 
seen in other reports.


73 Ian


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 F/W versions...just curious

2008-03-22 Thread David Pratt
In a recent message, David Ferrington, M0XDF [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote ...

--
 Once upon a time a man whose axe was missing suspected his neighbour's
 son. The boy walked like a thief, looked like a thief, and spoke like
 a thief. But the man found his axe while digging in the valley, and
 the next  time he saw his neighbour's son, the boy walked, looked and
 spoke like any other child. -Lao-tzu, philosopher (6th century BCE)

I fail to understand what this has to do with the K3, let alone curious 
F/W versions! Are we not asked to remove unnecessary quotes and 
information from the signature block?


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Leeds, England, UK
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Configuration

2008-03-22 Thread Bill W4ZV



Ian J Maude wrote:
 
 Can I redo the K3 config on 5W with the PA physically in place or do I 
 need to remove it?  I am no at all happy with the output power so I want 
 to go through the config again.  Like others, I find that on SSB, the 
 output does not peak at all well.
 TX ALC is on but my TXGN HP Pr80 is down at 20, much lower than I have 
 seen in other reports.
 

You don't need to remove KPA3 for anything unless it's failed.  There's a
separate calibration for the 5W and 50W levels on page 46 in the manual, but
they don't interact since the switchpoint between the two amps is 12/13W.

73,  Bill

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 F/W versions...just curious

2008-03-22 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

Are we?
I believe we are asked to remove unnecessary quotes of previous posts  
on the same subject - ie, don't include reams of mail trail. I have  
had a number of people comment privately from this list that they  
enjoy the signature at the end of my mails, you are the first to  
complain (after I've been doing it for a year). I agree that one is  
rather long, but it's picked randomly.
I would have re-read the usage policy, but can't find a copy, so  
CC'ing Eric.


Eric, could I ask you put a link to the reflector policy somewhere on  
the reflector page please (also point me at one to read).
And also, please comment on my habit of including a 'quote of the day'  
in my mails, if you consider it unreasonable, I'll stop (I could go  
through and remove the longer ones from the possible list the client  
picks from).


Finally, the signature below was picked at random by my mail client 
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
--
I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but  
I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.

- Robert McCloskey, State Department spokesman (attributed)

On 22 Mar 2008, at 10:55, David Pratt wrote:

In a recent message, David Ferrington, M0XDF  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ...

--
 Once upon a time a man whose axe was missing suspected his  
neighbour's
 son. The boy walked like a thief, looked like a thief, and spoke  
like

 a thief. But the man found his axe while digging in the valley, and
 the next  time he saw his neighbour's son, the boy walked, looked  
and

 spoke like any other child. -Lao-tzu, philosopher (6th century BCE)

I fail to understand what this has to do with the K3, let alone  
curious F/W versions! Are we not asked to remove unnecessary quotes  
and information from the signature block?

David G4DMP
Leeds, England, UK

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Configuration

2008-03-22 Thread Ian J Maude

Ian J Maude wrote:

Hi all,
Can I redo the K3 config on 5W with the PA physically in place or do I 
need to remove it?  I am no at all happy with the output power so I 
want to go through the config again.  Like others, I find that on SSB, 
the output does not peak at all well.
TX ALC is on but my TXGN HP Pr80 is down at 20, much lower than I have 
seen in other reports.

OK, this is what I did.

I set KPA3 to 'PAio nor'.  I then started at the beginning and did the 
Synthesizer calibration, then set the reference oscillator to RWM on 
9996 kHz.  I then ran the 5W calibration and then, after enabling the PA 
again, the 50W calibration.
The output seems much better now but i am going to have to get it on a 
decent calibrated wattmeter to be certain of actual output power.  TXGN 
HP Pr80 is now at 32, in line with other postings.
The question is, how did it change?  I had set all of this initially of 
course in the build.
In the manual, once you have finished the calibrations, it says to turn 
off TECH MD.  Could it have something to do with this?  I had not turned 
it off as I like to see things like PA temp etc and I believe you have 
to have it on to see the extended displays.

Sorry if I seem thick, I am just trying to get my head around this.

73 Ian

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification

2008-03-22 Thread Brett Howard
I used to work in the audio industry.  Was working for a higher end
amplifier manufacturer.  We always thought that BOSE actually stood for
Bring Other Sound Equipment.  It was also often said No highs no lows
it must be Bose.  Honestly though some of their professional line of
amps were quite well made and designed but that was because they farmed
those out to us 100% we designed and manufactured them for them.  

A great set of headphones for anyone who wants external noise isolation
and wants good quality audio is the Etymotic ER-4P.  I have a pair of
these and have gone to an audiologist to have custom ear molds taken and
had earpieces made by Westone.  Westone makes hearing aids and makes for
a wonderful addition to the Etymotic headphones.  I can wear these
headphones all day at work and not have even the slightest bit of
fatigue.  The ER4P's are probably the most transparent audio
reproduction system I've ever heard.  I've not spent large periods of
time using these headphones during a contest but I can assure you all
that they are completely flat and un-coloring when listening to music.
I can't see how they'd be anything less than stellar when listening to
the airwaves.  

Furthermore I can assure you that you'll never find any sort of active
noise canceling that will do as good of a job at external noise
reduction than the stock ear pieces that come with the ER-4P's.  I have
used them for a while during a field day and there is NO hearing the
generators in the distance!  This is crucial in gaining maximum dynamic
range when it comes to the AF range.  Also if you go to the Etymotic
website and see the price don't be too put off by that as they can be
found MUCH cheaper on the web!


On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 10:36 +, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
 Yuk - not pretty - but I guess it works.
 NOTE - that was the QC1 - thge QC2 has slightly different fittings
 
 But, what a thing to do to a £370 pair of headphones!
 
 I use mine while practicing my Morse and plan on using them when I  
 actually start CW QSOs.
 
 The K2 Proset headset works very well and does cut out a lot of  
 ambient noise.
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Fix the old amplifier......leave the K3 alone!

2008-03-22 Thread AD6XY - Mike

I agree an inhibit pin is a very good idea. One must always remember to
connect it of course. The system needs to fail safe. QSK is not used above
HF as much and a radio that automatically allows a delay is far safer than
one that produces power immediately unless an inhibit line is used. If that
inhibit line was an enable line, I think it would be far safer still.

For those who naively carp one should simply speed up ones amplifier - be
aware that there are several things that must happen in the correct
sequence. The RF relays must switch and settle, then the PA bias must
switch, e.g. 350V to the screens for a tetrode. All this before the RF
arrives. At HF this is easy, just use a pin diode or a vacuum relay for RF
and a triode. At VHF is is much harder. PIN diodes are too detrimental to
the noise figure for RF and the 350V screen supply tends to need a relay
because of the shunt regulation. Good chunky high power coaxial RF relays
available for sensible prices tend to be slow, even with a speed up circuit.
They may switch in a few mS but the contacts may bounce for considerably
longer. The TX might not mind but the isolation will be poor and the
pre-amplifier will suffer. 

When you are switching a kW VHF amplifier all this really matters and asking
for it to be done in less than 10mS is a challenge. Most of it is the RF
relays and although small SMA relays do switch RF very quickly, they are
only good for a few 100W. 

There are many K3 features that are totally useless for me. I don't suggest
removing top band or AM to save money because I don't need it, so please
don't suggest useful firmware features are unnecessary just because you
don't need them.
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Re: [Elecraft] KX1 - U9 - 77L06 - outputing 8.03 Volts...

2008-03-22 Thread Brett Howard
I'd be careful there... I've not built a KX1 yet (but plan to) anyway I
just figured I'd take a look at the schematics to see if there was any
way to help you out and keep you going on your build.  Anyway the NE602
that is on the board specs 8.0V as its MAX Vin.  Seems to me like you
have a problem with your 6V regulator.  If you had a bench supply you
could remove the regulator and then hook a bench supply in there once
setting it to 6V and could continue on the build.  But unless you have
that I'd recommend simply removing U9 and getting ready to put in a new
one.

Sorry. 

I'm sure Elecraft will take care of you in short order but you may also
be able to find a part as common as that locally pretty quick.  Perhaps
even on the weekend.  Its worth a try at least. 

Good luck sir.

~Brett (KC7OTG)  Hope to hear you on the air soon!


On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 12:11 +, Nicolas Pike wrote:
 Hi,
 
 KX1 Build
 I have got up to the test of U3 voltage (Page 28), and pin 6 is at 8.03 
 volts.. It should be 6! I have triple checked everything so far which all 
 appears to be in order.
 As I am away from home at the moment I am building the KX1 on a small table 
 and hence lack any more test equipment than a multimeter. Is 77L06 (U9) 
 likley to be fried? Is there anything else I should be checking?
 Any suggestions appreciated as my planned /P building attempt has now ground 
 to a halt, and it would be great to be able to build some more!
 
 Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I only get the daily digest.
 
 Thanks
 
 Regards
 Nicolas
 www.m1hog.com 
 
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 and linear amp

2008-03-22 Thread Roger Marrotte
If Elecraft could add a menu item that allows the user to select from a list
of delay times, including the current value set as a default, then everyone
would be happy and not have to make hardware changes to their amps and those
with faster amps won't have to do a thing.  I for one am not blaming
Elecraft for the deficiencies of my amp, but am just asking if they could
modify the firmware in the K3 to allow me and others to select from various
delay times.  So far there's been no response from Elecraft concerning this
subject after a few days of discussion on this list.  We don't even know if
they could easily make the modification in the firmware.  If they decide to
respond to this issue and say they won't or can't do it then I'll be glad to
look for a hardware modification to my amp.

73,
Roger W1EM

-Original Message-
From: Brendan Minish
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and linear amp


On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 18:33 -0700, hank k8dd wrote:

 The problem with Elecraft rigs switching Ameritron amps has existed 
 with the K2/100 and, so it appears, now with the K3/100.

I think the problem is not elecraft rigs but amplifiers that have
unreasonably slow switching times.
10msec or longer is unreasonably slow and I think it's 'unreasonable' to
blame the manufacturer of the radio because the amp manufacturer saved a few
bucks and used a cheap, slow relay instead of a proper RF relay. 

None of my Icoms give me the ability to alter the key delay for slow
amplifiers either.

The correct approach is to mod the amp to improve matters. the other option
is to use the PTT input with a footswitch to take care of RX/TX changeover  

 
73
Brendan EI6IZ 


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[Elecraft] FS: K2 battery + bracket

2008-03-22 Thread cx7tt
Have KBT2 battery   bracket...new, never used/never installed. Bought 
when initially order K2 with options. listed at $69 will sell for $45 
plus shipping...

73
Tom
K6CT
Pse no Paypal nor outside CONUS.

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[Elecraft] Re: Come along for the ride!

2008-03-22 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

Yes, absolutely great
--  
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174


On 22 Mar 2008, at 05:22, Ken Kopp wrote:


Wonderful read, Harold ... thanks!

REMARKABLE!

In  April 1986, following an attack on American soldiers in a Berlin  
disco,

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Re: [Elecraft] Fix the old amplifier......leave the K3 alone!

2008-03-22 Thread R. Kevin Stover

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IMHO it all depends on how much development time and valuable flash
memory these enhancements take. The K3 is marketed as an HF rig. I'd
be willing to bet the vast majority of those in service are used as HF
rigs and NOT as a VHF/UHF IF.

The MFJ/Ameritron amps have been notorious for slow switching times. Of
course they also make money selling the QSK-5 to speed them up.

I have been reading this reflector for some time and depth and breadth
of suggested firmware tweaks is staggering. Most of which come from
people who haven't the slightest clue what they are asking for from a
programming perspective. The most ridiculous one I've seen so far is the
auto volume compensation after engagement of the noise reduction. How
lazy is that? TURN THE DAMN KNOB! How about if we get Wayne to program
the K3 to stand on one leg, cook breakfast, and sing the national anthem
while were at it?

Off my soapbox.

AD6XY - Mike wrote:
| I agree an inhibit pin is a very good idea. One must always remember to
| connect it of course. The system needs to fail safe. QSK is not used above
| HF as much and a radio that automatically allows a delay is far safer than
| one that produces power immediately unless an inhibit line is used. If
that
| inhibit line was an enable line, I think it would be far safer still.
|
| For those who naively carp one should simply speed up ones amplifier - be
| aware that there are several things that must happen in the correct
| sequence. The RF relays must switch and settle, then the PA bias must
| switch, e.g. 350V to the screens for a tetrode. All this before the RF
| arrives. At HF this is easy, just use a pin diode or a vacuum relay for RF
| and a triode. At VHF is is much harder. PIN diodes are too detrimental to
| the noise figure for RF and the 350V screen supply tends to need a relay
| because of the shunt regulation. Good chunky high power coaxial RF relays
| available for sensible prices tend to be slow, even with a speed up
circuit.
| They may switch in a few mS but the contacts may bounce for considerably
| longer. The TX might not mind but the isolation will be poor and the
| pre-amplifier will suffer.
|
| When you are switching a kW VHF amplifier all this really matters and
asking
| for it to be done in less than 10mS is a challenge. Most of it is the RF
| relays and although small SMA relays do switch RF very quickly, they are
| only good for a few 100W.
|
| There are many K3 features that are totally useless for me. I don't
suggest
| removing top band or AM to save money because I don't need it, so please
| don't suggest useful firmware features are unnecessary just because you
| don't need them.

- --
R. Kevin Stover, ACØH
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[Elecraft] Elecraft Reflector policy/guidelines

2008-03-22 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
You asked and here it is.  It was, in fact, recently posted...but
rather than search the archive, I've just listed the link.

http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm

de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Configuration

2008-03-22 Thread Toby Deinhardt

Hallo Ian,

In the manual, once you have finished the calibrations, it says to turn 
off TECH MD.


You don't really have to turn off the TECH MODE. The manual, imho, tells 
you to (suggests that you) turn off the TECH MODE, so that the chance of 
changing a sensitive menu item by mistake is reduced. I sometimes have 
it on and sometimes have it off.


The SSB power level problems discussed recently on the reflector don't 
appear to be caused by the calibration at 1mW, 5w and 50W. Elecraft is, 
afaik, working on a fix, and I assume it will have been dealt with in 
the next major firmware update. fingers=crossed


vy 73 de toby
--
DD5FZ (ex 4n6fz, dj7mgq, dg5mgq, dd5fz)
K2 #885
K2/100 #3248
K3/100 #67
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 F/W versions...just curious

2008-03-22 Thread Jim Cox
I prefer you leave off anything in a message to me that is not related to an 
Elecraft.

That is the purpose of the reflector.   Jim K4JAF


- Original Message - 
From: David Ferrington, M0XDF [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: David Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, 
Elecraft [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 F/W versions...just curious



Are we?
I believe we are asked to remove unnecessary quotes of previous posts  on 
the same subject - ie, don't include reams of mail trail. I have  had a 
number of people comment privately from this list that they  enjoy the 
signature at the end of my mails, you are the first to  complain (after 
I've been doing it for a year). I agree that one is  rather long, but it's 
picked randomly.
I would have re-read the usage policy, but can't find a copy, so  CC'ing 
Eric.


Eric, could I ask you put a link to the reflector policy somewhere on  the 
reflector page please (also point me at one to read).
And also, please comment on my habit of including a 'quote of the day'  in 
my mails, if you consider it unreasonable, I'll stop (I could go  through 
and remove the longer ones from the possible list the client  picks from).


Finally, the signature below was picked at random by my mail client 
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
--
I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but  I 
am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.

- Robert McCloskey, State Department spokesman (attributed)

On 22 Mar 2008, at 10:55, David Pratt wrote:

In a recent message, David Ferrington, M0XDF  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote ...

--
 Once upon a time a man whose axe was missing suspected his
neighbour's
 son. The boy walked like a thief, looked like a thief, and spoke
like
 a thief. But the man found his axe while digging in the valley, and
 the next  time he saw his neighbour's son, the boy walked, looked
and
 spoke like any other child. -Lao-tzu, philosopher (6th century BCE)

I fail to understand what this has to do with the K3, let alone  curious 
F/W versions! Are we not asked to remove unnecessary quotes  and 
information from the signature block?

David G4DMP
Leeds, England, UK

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Re: [Bulk] Re: [Elecraft] OT: foot switch - why?

2008-03-22 Thread John Payne



On Friday 21 March 2008 16:58, Bill W5WVO wrote:
  

All good reasons. My #1 reason, though, is that I've never used a VOX that
didn't suck.

How about the fact that a foot switch leaves both hands free?  I once 
worked as a mobile phone/paging/answering service operator, and let me 
tell you, you quickly gain an appreciation for foot switches.  Try 
working a mobile caller, taking a phone call and logging calls on paper 
all at once sometime, it's REALLY tough if you have a hand switch, and 
don't even mention VOX when you are between two other operators with 
speakers and telephones, not to mention conversation.  For Ham radio, it 
leaves both hands free for the computer or logging, and works a treat 
for me!!


73 de

John W4CWZ

--
The real proof that there is intelligent life in outer space is that they haven't 
come here.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Configuration

2008-03-22 Thread Ian J Maude

Toby Deinhardt wrote:

Hallo Ian,

In the manual, once you have finished the calibrations, it says to 
turn off TECH MD.


You don't really have to turn off the TECH MODE. The manual, imho, 
tells you to (suggests that you) turn off the TECH MODE, so that the 
chance of changing a sensitive menu item by mistake is reduced. I 
sometimes have it on and sometimes have it off.
Thanks for that Toby.  I am trying to work out why my original 
calibration had changed.  It can only be from firmware updates and I 
guess I was wondering whether having TECH MD set to ON could cause this 
issue?


The SSB power level problems discussed recently on the reflector don't 
appear to be caused by the calibration at 1mW, 5w and 50W. Elecraft 
is, afaik, working on a fix, and I assume it will have been dealt with 
in the next major firmware update. fingers=crossed
My calibration was somewhat off.  Having run through it again, I am 
happy enough with the output of the K3.  At 50W on tune I can get 400W 
from my Ranger 811 (about what I would expect).  On SSB however, it is 
only about half that, regardless of mic.


73 Ian

--

Ian J Maude, G0VGS
SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster
Member RSGB, GQRP
K2 #4044 |K3 #455

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[Elecraft] K3 and linear amp

2008-03-22 Thread ni0c
I've got a K3 on order, and I'm not worried at all about
timing issues switching my amplifier.  I use a microHam
CW keyer to key all my rigs.  The cw keyer uses the K1EL
chip that puts out a PTT signal (for keying an amplifier) with programmable 
lead-in and tail times with respect to 
the CW output for keying the transmitter.

73,
Chuck  NI0C
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and linear amp

2008-03-22 Thread Toby Deinhardt

Hallo Roger,


delay times.  So far there's been no response from Elecraft concerning this
subject after a few days of discussion on this list.  We don't even know if
they could easily make the modification in the firmware.  


Elecraft has said in the past, several times, that they will be adding 
this to the menus sometime in the future. Also The FAQ on the Elecraft 
web site has the following information (for at least 6 or 7 Months now):


===
Is there a relay output from the K3 to switch on an external amplifier? 
If so, is it done via the accessory connector on the rear panel?


Yes; it has its own connector (KEY OUT) on the rear panel.  The KEY OUT 
line is a MOSFET, open-drain (equivalent to open collector in a BJT 
device).  It can handle a lot of current AND a lot of voltage. Exact 
specs TBD.



Does the K3 have a variable delay (0-50ms) to control older amp TX 
relays (i.e., SB-220, L4B, etc.)?


Yes. It also has a separate PTT input jack, so you can pre-switch the 
amp using a footswitch, etc.  This delay is provided to prevent 
hot-switching of amplifiers and the adjustment range will cover any 
likely need.  The variable delay is a feature that will be available 
after initial shipment.



What is the voltage and current limit to control TX amp relays?

The keying device is rated at 200 volts, 6 amps.
===
http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm


vy 73 de toby

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[Elecraft] WB3AAL out on the AT 22 March

2008-03-22 Thread Ron Polityka

Hello,

Today NK8Q, Mark and I will be hiking about 1/2 hour on the Appalachian 
Trail somewhere north of Allentown, PA. We should both be on the air around 
19:00 UTC and will be there until 23:59 UTC.


There is a RTTY contest going on today so if the usual QRP frequencies are 
filled with RTTY, look for us a little lower in the band.


Look for Mark de NK8Q on 40, 30 and 20 meters with his Elecraft KX1 and 
possibly his Rockmite 40.


Look for Ron de WB3AAL on 80, 40, 30, 20, 15 and maybe 12m with my Elecraft 
K2.


If 20 meters is busy around the QRP freq. with RTTY, look for me around 
14.030 or lower.


I have 926 QSO from the AT now with 48 States under my key. Still looking 
for HI and MT. I also have 24 countries under the key and last time out I 
worked into Europe with no problems.


If you work either Mark or I, please spot us on the DX Cluster and or the 
e-mail list. This is the last outing for the 2007/2008 season of the Polar 
Bear Moonlight Madness. Hope to see a moon tonight.


Weather now in around freezing with snow coming down. Up in the area we will 
be hiking the snow is a littler heavier. The system is to be clearing out 
later in the afternoon.


So look for mark de NK8Q PB #4 or Ron de WB3AAL PB #1 from the Appalachian 
trail later today.


72 and Thanks,
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
FISTS #10393
www.wb3aal.com
www.n3epa.org/

K1 - SN 01011
K2 - SN 01392

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Configuration - RESTORE

2008-03-22 Thread Bill W4ZV



Toby Deinhardt wrote:
 
 
 In the manual, once you have finished the calibrations, it says to turn 
 off TECH MD.
 
 You don't really have to turn off the TECH MODE. The manual, imho, tells 
 you to (suggests that you) turn off the TECH MODE, so that the chance of 
 changing a sensitive menu item by mistake is reduced. I sometimes have 
 it on and sometimes have it off.
 

It's always a good idea to store your latest working configuration using the
Configuration Save utility inside the download utility.  If you should
accidentally change something with TECH MD ON, you can easily Restore it
using this function.

73,  Bill



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RE: [Elecraft] K3 and linear amp

2008-03-22 Thread Evert Bakker (PA2KW)



I think the problem is not elecraft rigs but amplifiers that have
unreasonably slow switching times.
10msec or longer is unreasonably slow and I think it's 'unreasonable' to
blame the manufacturer of the radio because the amp manufacturer saved a
few bucks and used a cheap, slow relay instead of a proper RF relay. 



You can't blame home-brewers of amplifiers who has to search for reasonable
priced HIGH power relays.

That's a group of people who were respected by Elecraft builders, isn't it?

73's, Evert PA2KW



-- 
Don't complain. Nobody will understand. Or care. And certainly don't try
to fix the situation yourself. It's dangerous. Leave it to a highly
untrained, unqualified, expendable professional.

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RE: [Elecraft] Fix the old amplifier......leave the K3 alone!

2008-03-22 Thread Evert Bakker (PA2KW)


I agree an inhibit pin is a very good idea. 



Thanks a million for the developers for giving this inhibit possibility.
This makes serious VHF high power applications possible.

Don't remove this option please!!

THANKS

(waiting for my K3 as the IF stage for my VHF station)

73's, Evert PA2KW


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[Elecraft] OT Signatures, quotes, et. al....

2008-03-22 Thread Dave G.
Regarding quotes...
I find no mention regarding this subject in the ELECRAFT email LIST 
GUIDELINES Para 5 and it's subsections, relating to quotes, etc..
I, for one, enjoy them as long as they abide by the guidelines

My signature identifies me and where I am; the quote is my deliberate 
choice and may change with the weather  ;-)).

--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA
Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity.
But I'm not so sure about the universe.  ... Albert Einstein.

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[Elecraft] Reverting Firmware

2008-03-22 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

Sorry if you get this twice - reset

Since a few people have asked me how I do this, I've put a page on the  
Wiki at

http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Firmware_Reverting
explaining how.

Please note this is not an official solution by Elecraft, but it's  
simple and works.

I'm not aware of an official reversion process from Elecraft.
If anyone has a simpler method etc. please let me know.
--
73 de M0XDF / K3 #174

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Configuration

2008-03-22 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

I think if you set CONFIG: KPA3 = PA BYP
and set PWR below 12w that will work.

however, SSB has been greatly improved as of late - ensure you are  
running latest firmware and try that first.

--
There is no limit to what you can accomplish if you don't care who
gets the credit. --Ronald Reagan

On 22 Mar 2008, at 10:02, Ian J Maude wrote:


Hi all,
Can I redo the K3 config on 5W with the PA physically in place or do  
I need to remove it?  I am no at all happy with the output power so  
I want to go through the config again.  Like others, I find that on  
SSB, the output does not peak at all well.
TX ALC is on but my TXGN HP Pr80 is down at 20, much lower than I  
have seen in other reports.


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RE: [Elecraft] Reverting Firmware

2008-03-22 Thread Dick Dievendorff
The TBOOTn.HEX file is one of the files required for DSP loading.  Don't
miss it out. See the Missing Files section of troubleshooting help.

73 de Dick, K6KR

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Ferrington,
M0XDF
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:37 AM
To: Crafters
Subject: [Elecraft] Reverting Firmware

Sorry if you get this twice - reset

Since a few people have asked me how I do this, I've put a page on the  
Wiki at
http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Firmware_Reverting
explaining how.

Please note this is not an official solution by Elecraft, but it's  
simple and works.
I'm not aware of an official reversion process from Elecraft.
If anyone has a simpler method etc. please let me know.
-- 
73 de M0XDF / K3 #174

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[Elecraft] OT - Signatures quotes

2008-03-22 Thread Ken Kopp

I enjoy the quotes, sayings, etc ... I'd miss 'em.

I've even stolen several ...

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  or
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [Elecraft] Reverting Firmware

2008-03-22 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

Thanks Dick - I'll ensure thats noted.
Sure would like an enhancement that does this as part of the Utility,  
maintaining sub-dirs for each version.

--
73 de M0XDF / K3 #174

On 22 Mar 2008, at 16:03, Dick Dievendorff wrote:

The TBOOTn.HEX file is one of the files required for DSP loading.   
Don't

miss it out. See the Missing Files section of troubleshooting help.

73 de Dick, K6KR

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David  
Ferrington,

M0XDF
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:37 AM
To: Crafters
Subject: [Elecraft] Reverting Firmware

Sorry if you get this twice - reset

Since a few people have asked me how I do this, I've put a page on the
Wiki at
http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Firmware_Reverting
explaining how.

Please note this is not an official solution by Elecraft, but it's
simple and works.
I'm not aware of an official reversion process from Elecraft.
If anyone has a simpler method etc. please let me know

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[Elecraft] Reverting Firmware on Wiki

2008-03-22 Thread Don Rasmussen
Also available from the main firmware page at:
http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/K3_Firmware

and credited to David. 

There may be some reason at some point in the future
where a previous load of the firmware is desirable,
but I do think it should be noted that the coders at
Elecraft mightfind this to be against their best
intent and efforts. 

Some other brands have had - shall we say - an
impossible time of always making the last update the
best update, in fact major problems have been added to
fully functional firmware after revisions and even
complete rewrites. Can you imagine going back to
version 1.x because it works better than version 2.x?

The idea with K3, which I'll accept until I experience
otherwise, is that the last release (most current)
will be the user's choice and should be loaded
reasonably quickly after it's available. 

To me, this lofty goal is achievable with K3, and less
likely with most of the other brands because they have
software by committee, where as Wayne and Lyle can
keep control at Elecraft. As a programmer I can
say - still not EASY - but manageable. ;-)

---

[Elecraft] Reverting Firmware
David Ferrington, M0XDF M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk 
Sat Mar 22 10:36:37 EST 2008 

Sorry if you get this twice - resetSince a few people
have asked me how I do this, I've put a page on the 
Wiki
http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Firmware_Revertingexplaining
how.Please note this is not an official solution by
Elecraft, but it's  simple and works.I'm not aware of
an official reversion process from Elecraft.If anyone
has a simpler method etc. please let me know.-- 73 de
M0XDF / K3 #174




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Re: [Elecraft] OT Signatures, quotes, et. al....

2008-03-22 Thread David Cutter

Tried replying to you direct Dave G., but keeps bouncing.

Is that '65 Mk III Sprite the little UK sports car known here as the 
bug-eyed Sprite?


David
G3UNA
sorry for the 'Crafters' bandwidth


Regarding quotes...
I find no mention regarding this subject in the ELECRAFT email LIST
GUIDELINES Para 5 and it's subsections, relating to quotes, etc..
I, for one, enjoy them as long as they abide by the guidelines

My signature identifies me and where I am; the quote is my deliberate
choice and may change with the weather  ;-)).

--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA
Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity.
But I'm not so sure about the universe.  ... Albert Einstein.



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Re: [Elecraft] OT Signatures, quotes, et. al....

2008-03-22 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

I think so, lovely little motors!
--  
73 de M0XDF / K3 #174


On 22 Mar 2008, at 16:43, David Cutter wrote:


Tried replying to you direct Dave G., but keeps bouncing.

Is that '65 Mk III Sprite the little UK sports car known here as the  
bug-eyed Sprite?


David
G3UNA
sorry for the 'Crafters' bandwidth


Regarding quotes...
I find no mention regarding this subject in the ELECRAFT email LIST
GUIDELINES Para 5 and it's subsections, relating to quotes, etc..
I, for one, enjoy them as long as they abide by the guidelines

My signature identifies me and where I am; the quote is my deliberate
choice and may change with the weather  ;-)).

--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA
Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity.
But I'm not so sure about the universe.  ... Albert Einstein.


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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Signatures quotes

2008-03-22 Thread Trevor Smithers
'quote of the day' 

How about 5/6 line spaces between the end of your reply and the start of the 
quote. That way the quote 
doesn't get mixed up with the message and can be ignored.

Personally I find the addition annoying but others obviously like them.

73 to all
Trevor  G0KTN
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[Elecraft] CW Decode

2008-03-22 Thread Frank MacDonell
Can anyone recommend software for CW decode. I'm just learning CW and
I am concerned about my ability to copy. Any suggestions? Thanks.
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Signatures quotes

2008-03-22 Thread Thom LaCosta

At 12:46 PM 3/22/2008, Trevor Smithers wrote:

'quote of the day'

How about 5/6 line spaces between the end of your reply and the 
start of the quote. That way the quote

doesn't get mixed up with the message and can be ignored.


If a sig line is considered a waste of bandwidth, why add more waste 
with blank lines?


One guideline that has been used for years is located at
http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html   Netiquette Guidelines

What seems to be acceptable netiquette for signature lines is
If you include a signature keep it short. Rule of thumb is no longer 
than 4 lines. Remember that many people pay for connectivity by the 
minute, and the longer your message is, the more they pay.


Thom k3hrn

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[Elecraft] Updates to Reverting Firmware

2008-03-22 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

K6KR (author of the K3 utility) kindly pointed out a few things :-)

The content of the page (http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Firmware_Reverting 
) as previous posted was correct in all respects except it didn't do  
anything if you didn't have 'Advanced Mode' on (If you don't, the only  
send button is send all new, and that button is disabled if the  
version in the radio is = the file firmware version).


I have added that step and some more info on file content and  
versioning.
Apologies to anyone who's been trying to make this work and wondering  
what they were doing wrong.

--
73 de M0XDF / K3 #174

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[Elecraft] Brain damage

2008-03-22 Thread Scott McDowell
Hello

Well, after re-soldering what I thought was every connection on my K2 about
5 times because the receiver
wasn't working, On the sixth time I found an un-soldered pin. Soldered it
and the receiver came to life!
This sure is hard on an old man!
I appreciate all the help!
Thanks
73
Scott N5SM
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[Elecraft] K3 MW DXing

2008-03-22 Thread Gil Stacy
After seeing the QST review, there's some curiosity among the IRCA group as
to how the K3 performs on the MW bands.  Anyone tried dxing on MW?
73 Gil NN4CW
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[Elecraft] K2 BFO Test problems ( Align. and test, Part II )

2008-03-22 Thread Toni Martin

Hi all,

In the process to test and alignement Part II, I have
the following issue:  I don´t get the correct range of
BFO values. In my case the set of values are:

- Using CAL FCTR  ...  4913,63 Khz.
- BFO High Freq. ..  0,00
- BFO Low Freq   4912,60 Khz.

When I try to set up all filters following the
instruccions on page 93, I  have got the correct
values in CW Norm. and LSB modes, but I can´t get the
correct values in CW Rev. / USB modes. The maximun
value that I can get in this modes is  4914,00 Khz.
The rest of tests included in this section are
corrects

Note:  In my K2 kit I don´t  received ( or I have lost
it  ) the diode D36 - SMT1B and I have replaced it
(temporarily) for an IN4007. Could be this change the
reason of my troubles ???.

Of course, I checked and re-checked the values and
solders of all the components involved in the BFO
schematics ( L33, D37, D38, C169, C173, C174, X3 and
X4 )

All suggestions will be appreciated.

73´s
Toni, ea3gby
( K2 - s/n 6379 in building process )


  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 MW DXing

2008-03-22 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

Yep, on 160m - as good as all the other bands
--  
73 de M0XDF / K3 #174


On 22 Mar 2008, at 19:51, Gil Stacy wrote:

After seeing the QST review, there's some curiosity among the IRCA  
group as

to how the K3 performs on the MW bands.  Anyone tried dxing on MW?

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[Elecraft] TX ESSB...K3

2008-03-22 Thread John
No, I am not an ESSB guy.  But, I do like my tx audio set to 200 low, and 3000 
hi.  I cannot find TX ESSB under the Config menu.  I'm assuming that the 6 
and/or 2.8 KHz filter(s) need to be installed first?  Based on what I'm seeing 
under the standard Menu TX EC, I can achieve my desired ranges by 
setting/playing with that.

73 John K4NP
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Re: [Elecraft] CW Decode

2008-03-22 Thread WILLIS COOKE
Frank, Ham Radio Delux has a code reader in its Beta
Version in its Digital Master 780  digital sub
program.  It will copy hand sent Morse to a certain
extent, but I can not find a signal on 20 meters this
afternoon that it can copy as well as I can by ear. 
The program does a good job with PSK-31 and RTTY, so I
speculate that writing code to decipher hand sent
Morse is very difficult.  It can probably do a good
job with machine sent Morse, but it seems to be very
critical of spacing, much more than I am copying by
ear.  It may be that I am influenced more by content
and knowing what is coming next.  The bottom line is
that I don't think the HRD program at its current
development level would be an aid to learning Morse. 

I don't know a better program to suggest.  There are
some commercial Morse readers on the market, but I
have not tried them.

Simon Brown, the author of HRD frequents this
reflector, so perhaps he will give us a rebuttal.  It
may be that I don't have his program set up properly. 
I am a very new user and that is a strong possibility.


For learning Morse I think the old fashioned way is
the best way.  Start with a hand key and copying by
ear.  Start slow and work up to a better speed.  I
have been taken to task by some of the digital
generation for that advice, but novices grinding out
the code with each other worked for a long while until
the FCC in all its wisdom decided to do things
differently.

I wish you well in getting into Morse.

Cookie, K5EWJ

 
--- Frank MacDonell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can anyone recommend software for CW decode. I'm
 just learning CW and
 I am concerned about my ability to copy. Any
 suggestions? Thanks.
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[Elecraft] Learning The Code

2008-03-22 Thread K2ZR

Cookie,
I can only add to your note::

Start with a hand key and copying by
ear.

is to find a quality CW operator to help the new operator to get the 
rhythm of the character correct.


Dick, K2ZR/4
Pounding Brass for 46 Years!
Key West , The End Of The Road
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RE: [Elecraft] TX ESSB...K3

2008-03-22 Thread Jim
Has come up several times. Not in menu yet, understand soon! 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:36 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] TX ESSB...K3

No, I am not an ESSB guy.  But, I do like my tx audio set to 200 low, and
3000 hi.  I cannot find TX ESSB under the Config menu.  I'm assuming that
the 6 and/or 2.8 KHz filter(s) need to be installed first?  Based on what
I'm seeing under the standard Menu TX EC, I can achieve my desired ranges by
setting/playing with that.

73 John K4NP
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Re: [Elecraft] CW Decode

2008-03-22 Thread G4ILO


Frank MacDonell wrote:
 
 Can anyone recommend software for CW decode. I'm just learning CW and
 I am concerned about my ability to copy. Any suggestions? Thanks.
 
I haven't found any software decoder that works well enough on hand sent
Morse to rely upon.

The best CW decoder I personally have found is a Linux program, gMFSK.

On Windows, I found the program CWGet to be the best. There is also a free
one you can get from here: http://www.hotamateurprograms.com which is pretty
good, if you can live with the user interface. I've seen a lot of reports
that MRP40 http://www.polar-electric.com/Morse/MRP40-EN/ is the best of all
under Windows but I have never tried it.

If you buy a K3 then of course it has a built in morse decoder, though I'm
not sure it is quite up to the standard of the best PC programs.

-
Julian, G4ILO  K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392
G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf
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View this message in context: 
http://www.nabble.com/CW-Decode-tp16224545p16227841.html
Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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[Elecraft] K2 Lightning damage

2008-03-22 Thread Nick Henwood
Had a great time in 5X with my K2 until the day  when the lightning finally got 
it. There is now no output from the 100W PA - although the rest of the rig 
seems OK. Anyone had this experience and able to share thoughts on diagnosis 
and repair please?
Regards
Nick G3RWF/5X1NH
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[Elecraft] K3: concern about flexing FP board

2008-03-22 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
I'm wondering if I left something out or what.

When tap the VFO A/B button on the front panel, the entire top row of
buttons also moves ( keypad numbers 1, 2, 3, VM, MV).  You can see
it pivoting at the anchor point near the right-hand side.  Is this a
potential for a future failure?

I'd like to see an extra brace or two behind (or near) the VFO A/B
button to make the whole thing more stable.  All this flexing cannot
be a good thing.

Anyone else notice this?

Comments?

de Doug KR2Q
and no, I am not crunching the button...just tapping it moves everything.
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[Elecraft] Software/firmware updates.

2008-03-22 Thread David Robertson
With due respect to all software engineers at Elecraft and with many years as a 
technical instructor for atomic partical accelerators I always taught my 
students the following:

Always assume that when you upgrade any machine control software/firmware it 
will not work.

Backup everything and test all functions.

73

Dave KD1NA
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: concern about flexing FP board

2008-03-22 Thread Dave Martin
I noticed this, too, until I continued with the assembly.  It seems
like there was a little rubber-like bumper on the PC board near the
MV button which pressed up against the 2D fastener (as I recall) at
the top right of the radio when the front panel is fitted to the rest
of the radio.  This provided enough support for the board to keep the
buttons from moving on my radio.

Dave  W5DHM

On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 6:23 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm wondering if I left something out or what.

  When tap the VFO A/B button on the front panel, the entire top row of
  buttons also moves ( keypad numbers 1, 2, 3, VM, MV).  You can see
  it pivoting at the anchor point near the right-hand side.  Is this a
  potential for a future failure?

  I'd like to see an extra brace or two behind (or near) the VFO A/B
  button to make the whole thing more stable.  All this flexing cannot
  be a good thing.

  Anyone else notice this?

  Comments?

  de Doug KR2Q
  and no, I am not crunching the button...just tapping it moves everything.
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[Elecraft] K3: concern about flexing FP board

2008-03-22 Thread Don Rasmussen
Check your construction Doug - parts alignment is
tight and crtical, there is no room on my unit for any
such flex... 

Also - there are differing sized standoffs on that FP
board.

All key caps should protrude evenly about 1/16th inch.

hth...  

[Elecraft] K3: concern about flexing FP board
DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL dougzzz at gmail.com 
Sat Mar 22 18:23:09 EST 2008 


I'm wondering if I left something out or what.

When tap the VFO A/B button on the front panel, the
entire top row of
buttons also moves ( keypad numbers 1, 2, 3, VM,
MV).  You can see
it pivoting at the anchor point near the right-hand
side.  Is this a
potential for a future failure?

I'd like to see an extra brace or two behind (or
near) the VFO A/B
button to make the whole thing more stable.  All this
flexing cannot
be a good thing.

Anyone else notice this?

Comments?

de Doug KR2Q
and no, I am not crunching the button...just tapping
it moves everything.


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[Elecraft] K3: FP flex

2008-03-22 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
All key caps should protrude evenly about 1/16th inch.

Yup...every single key is protruding the same amount.  There is almost
no movement at the MV key, which is why I called it the pivot
point.

Anybody else?

de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 2.7kHz filter DSP FC

2008-03-22 Thread Jay Bromley


Hi Guys,

I know I am a couple days late on this, but I have been wanting to comment 
on this audio thing.


Billions of folks may be content with restricted audio, but I wouldn't be. 
Let me first state I do a ton of listening or monitoring on all modes. 
Right now I am on 7.020 using a wide filter set for 3.6 KHz listening to CW 
stations coming and going as I work in the shack.  A also have a few AM 
programs on the weekend I like to listen to.  With my outboard audio amp and 
bookshelf speaker system it reminds me of the old days when REAL 
communication receivers had room filling volume.


Let me move away from phone operation and talk digital, I do a little of 
that as well.  Using programs such as HRD's DM780 and MixW if you have a 
receiver rolling off the low or high end response you will loose the ability 
to monitor more effectively on modes such as PSK31.  Now for you guys that 
can only think narrow as well as listen that way, let me explain what I do 
in my shack.  When I am monitoring the bands on PSK31, I use the widest 
filter possible.  At the extremes of the rig's bandpass their maybe a 
problem on transmitting a very low or high tone.  However both programs 
mentioned above have a centering function that grabs the signal and puts it 
at 1500 hz.  If you are using CAT with  your rig, this is all automatic, it 
centers the signal right on 1500 Hz and adjust the VFO accordingly.  Say I 
find a brand new country and find him at 100 Hz using DM780, I hit Center 
and it moves the station of interests to 1500 Hz.  Then I can point and 
click for a narrower receive filter.  I am now ready to transmit.


If you have ever gone fishing, you catch more fish with a large net than you 
do with a small one.  You can always throw back in the small ones or 
unwanted ones.  If your receiver is restricted, you will and can miss 
stations that might interest you!  Operators that use DM780 with 
SuperBrowser know what I am talking about.  Just for fun I decide to see how 
many stations I would missed with a rolled off response on the low end of 
300 hz, typical communication grade receiver of yester year.  I fired up 
non communication grade receiver and set the cursor at 70.1 hz, I still got 
good print on PSK31!  So using a channel width of 30 to 50 hz on PSK31 means 
I could  miss up to 7 to 4 station respectively.   This doesn't even count 
for the higher end response!  For those that would like to see, I have jpg's 
of stations received at 70.1 Hz and 3604.3 Hz that printed cleanly I can 
send to those that are interested.  I have other receivers that could do 
better on the high end, but that is not the point I am making here.


Over the years I have a ton of receivers, to be honest I would not know how 
to classify a communications grade receiver.  When I hear communications 
grade I think heavy, military like ruggedness, and versatility!   I never 
think 300-300 KHz, but that is just me.


So end the end, this cool aide drinker would like a choice of favors, the 
more versatility, the better for me.  I hope in the end the K3 has the 
ability to go wide on IF/audio frequency response and then let me choose how 
narrow I need to go on all modes.  There a lot of reasons to have a nice 
flat, wide, low distortion bandpass, not just for good sound, but that would 
be great also!


I would be curious to what the K3 ultimate bandpass would be and would that 
also be completely adjustable?  Yes I did glance at the various pdf.s, but 
didn't see a spec for this.


Thanks for letting me add my 2 cents worth.

73 de w5jay/jay..


Paul Christensen wrote:
Bruce, as Barry points out, the K3's audio response really needs the 
ability to extend down significantly lower than the current ~ 250 Hz


we're not concerned with the broadcast of music in our service, then the 
male voice (lowest relevant fundamental of 70 Hz) and certain digital


Billions of people are quite happy with the 300kHz cutoff used by the 
public telephone system (a total of 3.1kHz between 300 and 3.4kHz).  The 
critical frequency for speech communications is the lowest formant 
frequency; it is the resonances in the vocal cavity that convey speech, 
not the fundamental.


The lowest formant in normal speech (formant 1 for u) spans about 200 to 
400Hz, so 250Hz probably is a reasonable compromise; it will include the 
peak and only slightly distort the lower edge.



modes in SSB mode (e.g., PSK31) may be used to establish the lower 
response threshold.


When you use digital modes with the receiver configured for SSB, you are 
really using the audio path as a final IF of about 1kHz.  As long as the 
audio passband is flat across the actual digital signal, it doesn't matter 
what its centre frequency (final final IF frequency) is.


That's basically the strategy used by telephone modems (except 56kbs ones, 
which play tricks with the digitisation of the signal).  The faster ones 
use a carrier of about 1800Hz (nominal channel centre is 1850 

[Elecraft] [K3] Disable 5mHz

2008-03-22 Thread David Douglass

Hi All,

Still trying to figure out all out all the 'ins and outs' of my K3.

Quick question, can I turn off the 5mHz band, so when I scroll through the 
bands using the up and down band buttons, it doesn't show up?? We don't have 
access to this in Australia, and I don't have any real interest in listening 
in!!


thanks

David, VK2NU 


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[Elecraft] way off topic...sorry

2008-03-22 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Sorry, but I just can't take it any more.  This is targeted at way too
many of you...not just one person.

Loose is the opposite of tight.

Lose is when you don't win --or-- when you had something but don't
have it any more.  That is, you LOST it.  Lost is the past tense of
lose (not loose).

Loose sounds like the beginning of the name Lucy or like the word
noose (the rope thing).

Lose sounds like the possessive form of Lou, such as Lou's radio is broken.

de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] CW Decode

2008-03-22 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr.
On Linux, Dave W1HKJ fldigi has advanced the CW (and other) modems 
beyond gMFSK.  On Windows, PocketDigi by Vojtech OK1IAK ported the gMFSK 
modem set and improved CW.  It's easily available at 
http://www.n0hr.com/PocketDigi/PocketDigi_intro.htm and isn't just for 
Pocket PC.  It's a very uncluttered display on Windows as well.  Simon 
HB9DRV ported the gMFSK/fldigi modems to create DM780 but I don't know 
if he's using the CW modem.


73,

Leigh/WA5ZNU/ZF2NU

Julian G4ILO wrote:

The best CW decoder I personally have found is a Linux program, gMFSK.
On Windows, ..
  

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Re: [Elecraft] CW Decode

2008-03-22 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr.

Oops, N0HR doesn't list the Desktop windows version of PocketDigi.
It's at 
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/pocketdigi/PocketDigi-1.0.11-x86.zip



On Linux, Dave W1HKJ fldigi has advanced the CW (and other) modems 
beyond gMFSK.  On Windows, PocketDigi by Vojtech OK1IAK ported the 
gMFSK modem set and improved CW.  It's easily available at 
http://www.n0hr.com/PocketDigi/PocketDigi_intro.htm and isn't just for 
Pocket PC.  It's a very uncluttered display on Windows as well.  Simon 
HB9DRV ported the gMFSK/fldigi modems to create DM780 but I don't know 
if he's using the CW modem.


73,

Leigh/WA5ZNU/ZF2NU

Julian G4ILO wrote:

The best CW decoder I personally have found is a Linux program, gMFSK.
On Windows, ..
  

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Re: [Elecraft] Learning The Code

2008-03-22 Thread Romanchik Dan
I agree with copying by ear, but not with starting with a hand key.  
Get a paddle and use a keyer (either internal or external).  You'll  
send better code and it will be a lot less strain on your wrist and arm.


73!

Dan KB6NU
--
CW Geek and MI Affiliated Club Coordinator
Read my ham radio blog at http://www.kb6nu.com
LET'S GET MORE KIDS INTO HAM RADIO!



On Mar 22, 2008, at Mar 22, 5:23 PM, K2ZR wrote:

Cookie,
I can only add to your note::

Start with a hand key and copying by
ear.

is to find a quality CW operator to help the new operator to get  
the rhythm of the character correct.


Dick, K2ZR/4
Pounding Brass for 46 Years!
Key West , The End Of The Road

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and linear amp

2008-03-22 Thread hank . k8dd
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Brendan Minish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 18:33 -0700, hank k8dd wrote:

   The problem with Elecraft rigs switching Ameritron amps
   has existed with the K2/100 and, so it appears, now with
   the K3/100.

  I think the problem is not elecraft rigs but amplifiers that have
  unreasonably slow switching times.
  10msec or longer is unreasonably slow and I think it's 'unreasonable' to
  blame the manufacturer of the radio because the amp manufacturer saved a
  few bucks and used a cheap, slow relay instead of a proper RF relay.

  None of my Icoms give me the ability to alter the key delay for slow
  amplifiers either.

  The correct approach is to mod the amp to improve matters. the other
  option is to use the PTT input with a footswitch to take care of RX/TX
  changeover


  73
  Brendan EI6IZ

Well, that's a tough call to say it's not a problem with the Elecraft rigs.
I took a fair amount of flak from the true believers because a long time
ago I said the Elecraft shut down and other radios did not shut down, so
it must not be a problem with the Ameritron amps.

Before I put the Relay Accelerator on my AL-1200 the KPA-100 on the
K2 would shut down.  The relay would still key, but no output.
No other indication that there was no output until I glanced at the wattmeter.
Great way to lose a run frequency!!

None of my Icom radios exhibited this problem - They may chop off a tad of the
first element, but this has never caused a problem without the relay
accelerator.
And I'm not about to take it out to see what happens with the K3/100.

Maybe the K2's RF comes up to quick compared to the other radios.
Maybe the K2 shuts down too quick with that short time that it takes the relay
to pick.  I don't know . and at this point - I don't care -
I've worked around
the problem . whether it's an Elecraft problem or not!

73HankK8DD


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RE: [Elecraft] [K3] Disable 5mHz

2008-03-22 Thread Greg
Not as of yet but we do have a feature planned for band mapping that will
allow you to choose which bands are available when using the Band UP/DN
switch.  All bands will still be available via your memories, direct freq
entry and CAT commands.

73
Greg
AB7R


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Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Disable 5mHz


Hi All,

Still trying to figure out all out all the 'ins and outs' of my K3.

Quick question, can I turn off the 5mHz band, so when I scroll through the
bands using the up and down band buttons, it doesn't show up?? We don't have
access to this in Australia, and I don't have any real interest in listening
in!!

thanks

David, VK2NU

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[Elecraft] Re: K3: concern about flexing FP board

2008-03-22 Thread wayne burdick

Doug,

If your front panel is in the correct position with respect to the PCB 
and the chassis, there should be an insignificant amount of 
adjacent-key movement in the Z axis. I'll have Elecraft support contact 
you to help with this.


73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Mar 22, 2008, at 4:23 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:


I'm wondering if I left something out or what.

When tap the VFO A/B button on the front panel, the entire top row of
buttons also moves




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[Elecraft] K3: using vox as PTT for digital modes

2008-03-22 Thread Wim Dewilder
Hi

I tried using VOX as the PTT for digital soundcard modes but that
doesn't seem to work. That would be a neat feature addition as I do have a 
second soundcard
in the PC dedicated for HAM digital modes, so no windows sound will trip the 
VOX.
I was using a signalink SL1+ before that basically activated PTT when detecting 
audio out of the PC.
So Wayne please add it to the todo list ;-)

73 de K6TE Wim


  

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Disable 5mHz

2008-03-22 Thread Vic K2VCO

David Douglass wrote:

Quick question, can I turn off the 5mHz band, so when I scroll through 
the bands using the up and down band buttons, it doesn't show up?? We 
don't have access to this in Australia, and I don't have any real 
interest in listening in!!


A mapping function which will allow you to disable a band or bands is on 
Wayne's list. It would not only be useful for those of us who want to 
ignore 5 mHz, but for contests, for example when you might want to 
temporarily disable the WARC bands.

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73,
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Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: using vox as PTT for digital modes

2008-03-22 Thread Brett Howard
I'd rather not see this on the todo list.  I feel the PTT on the DB9 is
more than ample and will prevent many others from sending many windows
sounds over the air.  Most software will key a rig over CAT commands and
this is the way this should be done.


On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 20:52 -0700, Wim Dewilder wrote:
 Hi
 
 I tried using VOX as the PTT for digital soundcard modes but that
 doesn't seem to work. That would be a neat feature addition as I do have a 
 second soundcard
 in the PC dedicated for HAM digital modes, so no windows sound will trip the 
 VOX.
 I was using a signalink SL1+ before that basically activated PTT when 
 detecting audio out of the PC.
 So Wayne please add it to the todo list ;-)
 
 73 de K6TE Wim


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: using vox as PTT for digital modes

2008-03-22 Thread Lyle Johnson

I tried using VOX as the PTT for digital soundcard modes but that
doesn't seem to work...


A while back I used VOX in DATA A mode.  Haven't tried it in a while, 
but the intent is that it work.


73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification

2008-03-22 Thread AE4CW

I second Brett's comments re the use of custom fitted in-ear monitors (IEMs)
for great isolation and sonic clarity.  Properly fitted, they are very
comfortable, provide about 25 dB of external isolation and you hear exactly
what your receiver is producing.  

I do live sound monitor engineering on a weekly basis and have used a
variety of low, mid and high-end IEMs ($60-$500+) over the years.  The best
price/performance I've found so far is the Live Wires IEMs.  They are not
cheap ($249) but for the money (IMHO) there is nothing better.  You can
check them out here:
http://www.livewiresforyou.com/index.php Live Wires Site 

-
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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2008-03-22 Thread Kevin Rock
Good Evening,
   Another snowy week has passed.  The daffodils are sprouting but the snow 
makes them slow in growing.  There are some crocuses and snow drops showing 
though.  I was surprised by the snow a few mornings back.  It awoke me when the 
sun hit the tree over the house and the snow started falling in large clumps.  
When I had gone to bed it was raining heavily.  Sometime during the night we 
received four inches of snow.  
   I have listened to 20 meters only a little this week.  I had many errands to 
take care of and projects to finish.  Now for a little time on the air.  From 
what I read yesterday we have another year of low sunspot numbers to contend 
with.  But that does not always mean the bands are dead or weak.  I tried for a 
sked into Alabama only to be greeted first by a G0 station and later in the 
week by a DK station.  Seems 20 m was a little long those days :)
   
Please join us tomorrow evening.
 
1) Hail signs  (first letter or two of the suffix of your call)
2) NCS help (as well as QSP/QNP relay help)
 
Sunday 2300z (Sunday 4 PM PDT) 14050 kHz
Monday 0100z (Sunday 6 PM PDT)  7045 kHz
 
   Stay warm,
  Kevin.  KD5ONS

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[Elecraft] KPA100 initial tests

2008-03-22 Thread n0jrn

Just a minor problem and looking for some advise.

All resistance checks are fine.All voltage checks are fine except Pin 27 
on   U1


It's showing about .5   volts.

Also noted that the LED on the K2 is at the top of the scale.

Based on the charts in the back of the KPA100  manual,   Pin 27  should go 
low when the amp is in TX.


The LED on the K2  seems to support the fact that hooking the amp up puts 
the rig in transmit.


Naturally,   I have some digging to do but was curious if there is anything 
in particular I should be looking at.


Also,I had the power adjusted on the K2  to around 10 watts while doing 
these tests.


Is it possible for the KPA100 to sense the power level of the rig and go 
into TX.


Any thoughts??

Thanks and have a great weekend all


72 Jerry N0JRN 


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