Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
Hell Yaesu has a great website with lots of information. Try giving them a call and getting them to help you debug an issue! Try emailing a designer! If you think Microsoft and HP provides excellent support of their products you have a low standard. As far as your K3 arriving later than you thought it would its not like you were forced into waiting for it. If you wanted your money back you'd have been handed all of your payment in full no questions asked. EVERYONE who ordered a K3 that early KNEW that it was going to take a long time. Mine took around 10 months to get from the time that I ordered it. I knew it was going to take that long and hell they didn't even take my money until they shipped it. The K3 was sold just in time and it was plenty ready as far as hardware goes. The list of changes in the radio as far as hardware are quite small. The changes are minor tweaks for the most part as well! Heck some of them are even improvements that add features that no one was even expecting (like the high RF protection mod). For someone who complains so much about the products you sure hang out here a lot. If they were as bad as you like to let on one would think you'd have gone somewhere else. I feel the fact that you stick around and keep complaining undeniable proof that Elecraft does it better than anyone else. That fact that you voted with your money and own their products solidify it even further. I only feel the need to call you out on it because someone else coming into this area who's not used to hearing you complain might get the wrong idea and think that there is actually a problem with the way Elecraft does business! When really its just that you like to get your gripes heard early and often. ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 7:38 PM, S Sacco nn4x.st...@gmail.com wrote: Brett - While we're thinking about stuff...where do you suppose most of the components inside the P3 were manufactured? Regarding support...I don't know...HP (hardware) and Microsoft (OS) seem to have pretty large websites with lots of information on them...and plenty of updates...especially Microsoft security patches that they so like to dump on us every few Tuesdays. :-) Yeah, Elecraft support is excellent, but the flip side is that the company has a tendency to sell products that are not quite ready yet. I know; my first K3 was delivered 9 months after it was first promised. On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com wrote: All of that equipment was made by teams of Chinese people who are paid very poorly and aren't treated all that well either. The P3 is a labor of love put together by a select few engineers. Its probably built by people in California with health coverage, life insurance, and a decent living wage... Not to mention that Elecraft provides excellent support beyond that of the sale! You're not going to get that from the company that made that computer. You're not going to be informed of hardware modifications and upgrades that will improve your system with well done step by step documentation written up on how to perform the mods. Not to mention that they'll even kit the parts to you if you can't find them on your own. You get more than just the hardware for your 700 bucks! Just something to think about! Personally I see it as a little high but still yet very fair! ~Brett (KC7OTG) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 remote operation
There are so many ways to remote a radio that it probably doesn't make a difference. You can remote control using things like TRX Manager or HRD or you can use VNC or Windows Remote Desktop over a VPN to control your entire shack PC remotely. Skype is normally used for the audio. One of the Ten-Tecs has a built in Ethernet interface and remote control software but never having seen or used one I have no idea how much better that is than the generic solutions. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-remote-operation-tp4569071p4569606.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
On 14 Feb 2010, at 08:59, Brett Howard wrote: As far as your K3 arriving later than you thought it would its not like you were forced into waiting for it. Um mine (2184) arrived earlier than I was expecting, about 6 weeks actually. Made me a very happy chappie. de John EI7IG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Considering K3
I haven't used an IC7600, but have used a Pro III. At one time I did consider ditching my K3 due to firmware issues which have since been resolved, the radio I considered as an alternative was ironically the IC7600. Areas where the K3 is better: Close in RX dynamic range, perhaps not an issue for SSB. Low noise (wide band hash) on transmit (see the TX close in spectrum on the ARRL reviews of both), this makes the K3 a favourite for multi-operator sites such as DXpeditions and multi contest sites. Elecraft support is one of the best in the industry. Areas where the IC7600 is better: Front panel ergonomics, the K3 is fine when driven from a logging program in a CW contest but for general purpose use it's not too good compared to the larger transceivers from Kenwood, Icom and Yaesu. If you really must have a built-in panoramic display then it's no contest, but the Icom pan display isn't as good as you can have with an external SDR receiver. Both radios are mediocre with regard to SSB TX IMD, it's a common problem with 12 Volt PA transceivers. Not a lot you can do about it if you need a 12 Volt capable radio, although they do improve by about 10 dB when running around 1/4 power and used to drive a valve linear at that level soapbox /off I guess you will have seen Rob Sherwoods receiver table, if not it's at: http://www.sherweng.com/table.html Happy shopping! 73 Dave, G4AON K3/100 serial 80 http://www.astromag.co.uk/k3/ --- HI all , I am considering to buy a new radio and I am between the K3 and the IC 7600, I have read very good things about K3, although I don't know anybody near me that have one, so I would like to hear comments in why to go for the K3 and if someone live near Ogden UT that would like to shoe me their K3 would be awesome. TNX EMILSE KE7EOZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 Photo taken at Orlando
Its the release date 62nd juli 2014. kidding, on top I see an official handwritten: mid/end april! 73' Paul PD0PSB -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/P3-Photo-taken-at-Orlando-tp4568075p4569754.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] [K3] Macro vs. voice/CW memories
I have a problem understanding how this works and what is possible with the memory buttons M1-M4. I have created 4 makros whith often needed functions: switch from front panel to rear panel microphone (2 Macros) switch monitor off switch monitor to level 10 I wanted to assign these macros to M4 (Tap/Hold) and M3 (Tap/Hold), which was successful when I tried it. Then there is the voice recorder which also saves voice memories to the buttons M1-M4. Is this function instead of the macro function? When I accidentally switched the recorder on with M2, the programmed macro disappeared. But it is still saved somewhere in the K3, because I can assign it to the M key again. Next question: how does the K3 handle the CW memories, when a macro is programmed to the same key? I would like to have the CW memories when I am in CW mode, but the macros when I am in SSB, but I cannot find a way to switch which function is active. If macro and voice /cw memory are either / or it would be nice to have a switch to choose between them ... 73! de Werner OE9FWV -- Tradition ist nicht das Bewahren von Asche, sondern das Schüren der Flamme. Jean Jaures Email powered by Pegasus Mail free at http://www.pmail.com Homepage: http://www.qsl.net/oe9fwv/ Fone +43 5522 75013 Fax +43 5522 22505 Mobile +43 664 63 400 14 Fax-Email Gateway +43 820 - 220262990 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 remote operation
I remoted a TS-2000 for some time when I was on the road for work 2 to 3 weeks a month. Like most people, I used Skype for the audio. For the rig control I used TRX-Manager. Main reason I did the control that way was TRX-Manager used about 300 baud of bandwidth to control the rig, rotor, and antennas. From most hotel's Bandwidth was an important consideration 5 years ago when I was doing this. I'm not sure it still is. 73 Jeff kb2m __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
I'm running SDR-IF 192k wide on a $399 3 year old 2.20 gigahertz Pentium Dual Non hyper-threaded processor with 2 gig of memory under WIN7 32 bit. I have a $229 24 inch monitor, and a used Infrasonic Quartet soundcard I picked up for $90.The SDR-IF software uses about 25% of the screens real estate. I just tested SDR-IF's CPU usage. It is under 17% average. I just watched a video I selected from MSN, it uses on average 44% CPU. Along with LP-Bridge running I can use several programs simultaneously with the K3 When in contest mode I run SDR-IF, LP-Bridge, Logic8, and contest specific logging software. I can control the K3 with either piece of software via the virtual com ports in LP-Bridge, via a mouse click, or turn of a knob. While this is up and running I read email, view videos, chat with my GF's on Yahoo, MSN, etc without a burp, and without any geek type system tweaking, plug and play. This to me is the ultimate shack setup made possible with the K3's IF out. I'm one of the people Larry mentions that switched over from Flex. I owned a Flex 1000 for several years. Part of my preference to the SDR-IF software is I've been running it for 4 or 5 years. Do I need a P3? No, and I don't see myself lusting for one. Where I think Elecraft is going with this is to a QRO rig. This K4 if you will, will be 200 watts output, have a bandscope (the one we see today) built in, room for actual band select buttons, more room between knobs, more knobs, less menu items, a nice set of dual speakers, etc. A 70cm module and the ability to run full duplex on the satellites would be nice. I would sell my 9000D and buy one of them. Ok enough, the sun is shining, I'm obviously snowed in here, and need to get out of the house :) -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Julian, G4ILO Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 12:12 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation But I'm equally sure there are a lot of people who don't want the huge ugly screen hogging resource hogging PowerSDR application just to show them a graphical display of band activity. 73 Jeff kb2m __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Macro vs. voice/CW memories
Werner, When the M1-M4 switches are used for a programmable function (macro or other), they are not available for memory use. The memory can be restored by tapping REC then the M1-M4 button and REC again. See the i note at the bottom of the latest manual page 21. 73, Don W3FPR Dr. Werner Furlan wrote: I have a problem understanding how this works and what is possible with the memory buttons M1-M4. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 remote operation
Bill, I have a K3 that sits 13 miles away from me. It remotes very well. There are several ways to remote the K3, or any rig. You can use a computer at the remote site, and use Logmein or the likes for controlling the computer and then use Skype or IP Sound for audio. That works, but there are practical limitations. I use the Remote Rig 1258MkII, made in Sweden. http://www.remoterig.com/ I then use either Ham Radio Deluxe or TRX to drive the Remote Rig which then talks to the K3.. The nice thing about the Remote Rig, is that you really don't need a computer at the remote site. Here, with electricity around 8 cents/khw, leaving a computer on 24/7 will cost around $ 60 a year. Also, the Remote rig has its own audio path, essentially 3 channels of data/rs-232, and, most important to me, a dedicated PTT line. I like to use a hand switch (old nurse call button) or the foot switch, Right now the K3 is only on 6 meters. I have a 40 foot tower with a M2 5 element on it, but the tower is on the highest hill in the area, whereas I live at river height, about 350 feet lower. By trade I am a radio broadcast engineer, so I remote control a lot of stuff. I can turn the computer at the site on and off, switch audio and control around, from home, or if I am on the road, from my laptop. Best story is when I was in Texas on work once (I am in Michigan), and I listened into my remote from Texas, and six was open to Texas. But, I head K8AJ working the Texans, so I called her. Freaked her out! (K8AJ is my lovely wife, who bought me my first Elecraft for my 50th birthday!). If your friend or anyone else has any questions using the Remote Rig with the K3, I would be very happy to help off list. Tom K8TB On 2/13/2010 11:13 PM, NZ0T wrote: I have a friend that is considering the K3, Omni VII and the FT-2000. Easy remote operation is important to him. I think he prefers the K3 but I can't help him with how easy it is to remote with the K3 as I haven't tried it nor do I have any interest. I would appreciate any input that I can forward on to him. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] For Sale: Elecraft K2 DSP Card KDSP2
I have a KDSP2 card for the K2 for sale. I have the manual, and I will sell it for $ 170, including shipping via USPS, to the US and Canada only. I take Paypal. Please contact me off list. Tom K8TB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] For Sale: Elecraft K2 DSP Card KDSP2... Is Sold
The KDSP2 has been sold, thank you ... tom K8TB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
Hi Brett - I seriously think you're missing the point. The point was that other companies offer support, too, and they do. I agreed that Elecraft support is outstanding, so I'm pretty sure we're in agreement there. I note that you did not comment on the origin of the components inside the K3. ;-) While I like my K3's, I think you're romanticizing Elecraft. They're a for-profit business, and although staffed with passionate and highly talented people, I'm sure would close their doors if they could not turn a profit, which is entirely appropriate. I don't want anyone starving just to keep me happy - that would be Communism. Perhaps I'm alone in this regard, but I don't have an image in my mind of a wildly outnumbered band of Elecraftians (Elecraftites?) fighting valiantly on my behalf for all that's good and right and 10 dB better, versus the vastly larger, massed, swarming technical armies of YaeKenCom-Tec. Regarding me not being forced to purchase the K3. Brett, I've had this discussion MANY times, and have never once lost the argument. I was not, IMHO, particularly upstanding of Elecraft to publish a wildly optimistic release date, and then continue to publish wildly optimistic follow-on dates, most likely for the purpose of maintaining their existing orders, and attracting new ones. Wrong is just wrong, you know what I mean? Just because I could have chosen something else doesn't make what Elecraft did OK. Those, apparently like yourself, who have a lower threshold for what's ethical...that's your business, but that doesn't mean I have to agree, or lower MY standards, or not raise the issue when I feel it is appropriate. I sure hope they ship the P3 when they say they'll ship it. I may be wrong, but I think they did the same thing - strung out the release date - with the KRX3, didn't they? My goodness...I haven't said a peep in ages...yet, bewilderingly, you say: someone who complains so much about the products you sure hang out here a lot. . If, by hang out here a lot, you mean subscribe to the mailing list, then guilty as charged. I also subscribe to the k3 mailing list on Yahoo. Hope that's cool with you. :-) You're hardly calling me out.(see above regarding the frequency of my posting). Sooo...the bottom line is that I think $700 is an awful lot of money for the P3, and I said so, and you don't think it's too much, and you've criticized me for expressing my opinion. Speaking of K3's, I have to finish putting one of mine back together. U1 on the DSP board burned out (thanks, Gary, for the fast support on that!) - but it shouldn't have (AF amplifiers are hardly high-tech). Originally, I ordered a new DSP board, but after a couple of week's waiting and no notice of shipping, I made an inquiry, only to find that they weren't in stock, and wouldn't be for a few more weeks. (Thanks Lisa for your help with that!). So, once again, we have great support on one hand, and a strange disconnect (no notification that the board wouldn't be available for awhile) on the other. I went to Plan B, and had a friend of mine who has SMT experience and equipment, and he replaced the IC for me. I won't get the updates, but they're not that important to me. Take good care, Brett! 73, Steve NN4X EL98jh On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com wrote: Hell Yaesu has a great website with lots of information. Try giving them a call and getting them to help you debug an issue! Try emailing a designer! If you think Microsoft and HP provides excellent support of their products you have a low standard. As far as your K3 arriving later than you thought it would its not like you were forced into waiting for it. If you wanted your money back you'd have been handed all of your payment in full no questions asked. EVERYONE who ordered a K3 that early KNEW that it was going to take a long time. Mine took around 10 months to get from the time that I ordered it. I knew it was going to take that long and hell they didn't even take my money until they shipped it. The K3 was sold just in time and it was plenty ready as far as hardware goes. The list of changes in the radio as far as hardware are quite small. The changes are minor tweaks for the most part as well! Heck some of them are even improvements that add features that no one was even expecting (like the high RF protection mod). For someone who complains so much about the products you sure hang out here a lot. If they were as bad as you like to let on one would think you'd have gone somewhere else. I feel the fact that you stick around and keep complaining undeniable proof that Elecraft does it better than anyone else. That fact that you voted with your money and own their products solidify it even further. I only feel the need to call you out on it because someone else coming into this area who's not used to hearing you complain might get the wrong idea and think that there is
Re: [Elecraft] K3 remote operation
I have HRD setup, and use the remote server and IP-Sound. Once you have the soundcard configured, it is pretty easy to do. I really like being able to operate anywhere in the house, or outside on the laptop. For internet use, I am going to setup two Skype accounts for audio. I have no idea if the Omni-VII is easier, or how it works. But interfacing the soundcard is usually the part that is problematic, so I doubt it is just plug and play, or any easier in general. He should buy the radio he wants, as all the choices will work for remote. I can't help him with how easy it is to remote with the K3 as I haven't tried it nor do I have any interest. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-remote-operation-tp4569071p4570915.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 remote operation
The Omni VII is designed from the ground up for remote operation. No Skype is needed for audio. You plug the Omni VII into your router via an Ethernet cable. No computer is needed at the rig end. At the remote end, you obviously need a laptop running One Plug, Tentecs software for remoting the Omni VII. You can use the keyboard to send CW and the laptop mic./ speaker for voice. They also sell a little device, 610, which provides connections for a CW key, mic. and headset. It's also got a jack for their remote knob which allows you to tune with a knob instead of using the keyboard. Otherwise, it's about like using a Jupiter except it has crystal filters in the IF. Steve N4LQ - Original Message - From: Bob - W0GI b...@gotoloveland.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 remote operation I have HRD setup, and use the remote server and IP-Sound. Once you have the soundcard configured, it is pretty easy to do. I really like being able to operate anywhere in the house, or outside on the laptop. For internet use, I am going to setup two Skype accounts for audio. I have no idea if the Omni-VII is easier, or how it works. But interfacing the soundcard is usually the part that is problematic, so I doubt it is just plug and play, or any easier in general. He should buy the radio he wants, as all the choices will work for remote. I can't help him with how easy it is to remote with the K3 as I haven't tried it nor do I have any interest. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-remote-operation-tp4569071p4570915.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2687 - Release Date: 02/14/10 02:35:00 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Considering K3
I am also considering a K3, and I really enjoy reading all the comments on K3 owners' experiences and preferences. I am planning on ordering a K3 at Dayton this year after I take a look at one. I plan on getting the basic 100 watt unit with the standard SSB filter and one CW filter. I've received a few comments on Yahoo groups about this, but I still can't decide on the 400 or the 250Hz filter. I like to tune across the band with the wider filter selected and then go to the narrow filter to make the contact. It seems to me that the 250Hz filter would be the way to go. I understand that there is actually only 65Hz bandwidth difference between these two filters. I enjoy operating the NAQCC QRP sprints and SKCC sprints, but otherwise, do not do much contesting. I would also like to know if it is possible to transmit on AM using the wider FM filter. I haven't used either of these modes on HF in the past several years, so I would probably not purchase one of these wider filters at this time, but it would still be nice to know. 73, Art WB8ENE -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Considering-K3-tp4568589p4571166.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 Utility: Decode in Termnal Mode
At some point in the past I learned the command to turn of the rig to terminal messages, leaving only the decode receive info. Unfoturnately, I did not write it down, nor do I remember it!!! I downloaded the programmer's reference but did not see anything that worked. Can someone refresh my memory on this. Jack Regan, AE6GC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Considering K3
I'd recommend the 400 Hz over the 250 Hz 8-pole filter if it's your only CW filter. This is the roofing filter; you can still dial the IF bandwidth down (to 50 Hz) for more selectivity. If you have the budget for an additional CW filter, the 200 Hz 5-pole might be a good second CW filter. I have the 400 Hz and 250 Hz 8-pole filters, and there isn't really that much difference between them. The 6 kHz AM filter is required for AM transmit (and it's also used for ESSB, should you choose to use ESSB). The 13 kHz FM filter cannot be used as the AM transmit filter at this time. Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of WB8ENE Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:43 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Considering K3 I am also considering a K3, and I really enjoy reading all the comments on K3 owners' experiences and preferences. I am planning on ordering a K3 at Dayton this year after I take a look at one. I plan on getting the basic 100 watt unit with the standard SSB filter and one CW filter. I've received a few comments on Yahoo groups about this, but I still can't decide on the 400 or the 250Hz filter. I like to tune across the band with the wider filter selected and then go to the narrow filter to make the contact. It seems to me that the 250Hz filter would be the way to go. I understand that there is actually only 65Hz bandwidth difference between these two filters. I enjoy operating the NAQCC QRP sprints and SKCC sprints, but otherwise, do not do much contesting. I would also like to know if it is possible to transmit on AM using the wider FM filter. I haven't used either of these modes on HF in the past several years, so I would probably not purchase one of these wider filters at this time, but it would still be nice to know. 73, Art WB8ENE -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Considering-K3-tp4568589p4571166.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] 1 kHz Filter for K3
Is anyone using the 1 kHz filter in the K3 subreceiver for CW? Any pros or cons? Mike, W4UM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Considering K3
I'm really happy with my current filter complement: 2.7 ssb 1.8 ssb (told the K3 it is 2.1, so it switches in at dsp bw = 2.1) 250 cw/rtty (told K3 it is 400, so it switches in at dsp bw = 400) -- From: WB8ENE valvetb...@netzero.net Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:42 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Considering K3 I am also considering a K3, and I really enjoy reading all the comments on K3 owners' experiences and preferences. I am planning on ordering a K3 at Dayton this year after I take a look at one. I plan on getting the basic 100 watt unit with the standard SSB filter and one CW filter. I've received a few comments on Yahoo groups about this, but I still can't decide on the 400 or the 250Hz filter. I like to tune across the band with the wider filter selected and then go to the narrow filter to make the contact. It seems to me that the 250Hz filter would be the way to go. I understand that there is actually only 65Hz bandwidth difference between these two filters. I enjoy operating the NAQCC QRP sprints and SKCC sprints, but otherwise, do not do much contesting. I would also like to know if it is possible to transmit on AM using the wider FM filter. I haven't used either of these modes on HF in the past several years, so I would probably not purchase one of these wider filters at this time, but it would still be nice to know. 73, Art WB8ENE -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Considering-K3-tp4568589p4571166.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 Competition
While at the Orlando Hamcation, I stopped by the Kenwood booth. The sales dude mentioned that Kenwood would be introducing something in the K3 class, as far as performance, but better. I thought that was wonderful compliment for Elecraft, that they specifically singled out the K3 as the benchmark. Who knows if it'll be better, or not. Radios are so much about the software anymore, that without outstanding software controlling every aspect of the radio, the hardware, no matter how good, just won't be able to make up the difference. Personally, I'd put my money on Elecraft. He also mentioned that they'd have a big radio (presumably positioned against the FT-9000 / IC-7800) sometime in 2011. Anyway I thought I'd pass that along, FYI as they say. 73, Steve NN4X EL98jh __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] 1 kHz Filter for K3
I use a 1k filter in the main radio. It would make no difference which receiver is was installed into. I use it quite a bit especially for turning the bands looking for dx or mults. When conditions get tough I switch in the narrower filters as needed. You probably want a 400 in addition to the 1k. Flexibility is the key. CC Packet Cluster W0MU-1 W0MU.NET or 67.40.148.194 A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you may never get over. Ben Franklin -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Michael M. Raskin Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:27 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] 1 kHz Filter for K3 Is anyone using the 1 kHz filter in the K3 subreceiver for CW? Any pros or cons? Mike, W4UM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Considering K3
That's a nice trick Dave... have to do that! Up to Big Bear next weekend! Woo Hoo! 73, Dave NT6AA - Original Message - From: Dave Hachadorian k...@arrl.net To: WB8ENE valvetb...@netzero.net; Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Considering K3 I'm really happy with my current filter complement: 2.7 ssb 1.8 ssb (told the K3 it is 2.1, so it switches in at dsp bw = 2.1) 250 cw/rtty (told K3 it is 400, so it switches in at dsp bw = 400) -- From: WB8ENE valvetb...@netzero.net Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:42 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Considering K3 I am also considering a K3, and I really enjoy reading all the comments on K3 owners' experiences and preferences. I am planning on ordering a K3 at Dayton this year after I take a look at one. I plan on getting the basic 100 watt unit with the standard SSB filter and one CW filter. I've received a few comments on Yahoo groups about this, but I still can't decide on the 400 or the 250Hz filter. I like to tune across the band with the wider filter selected and then go to the narrow filter to make the contact. It seems to me that the 250Hz filter would be the way to go. I understand that there is actually only 65Hz bandwidth difference between these two filters. I enjoy operating the NAQCC QRP sprints and SKCC sprints, but otherwise, do not do much contesting. I would also like to know if it is possible to transmit on AM using the wider FM filter. I haven't used either of these modes on HF in the past several years, so I would probably not purchase one of these wider filters at this time, but it would still be nice to know. 73, Art WB8ENE -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Considering-K3-tp4568589p4571166.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] 1 kHz Filter for K3
On 2/14/2010 11:26 AM, Michael M. Raskin wrote: Is anyone using the 1 kHz filter in the K3 subreceiver for CW? Any pros or cons? I have one in the main rx. I got it on the grounds that I would use it in contests when running, setting the bandwidth to about 800 Hz. to catch off-frequency callers. In fact I find that 400 Hz works best, because there are usually loud stations close by! It's nice to have, but not as essential as I'd thought. -- Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition
Steve, Did the Kenwood sales dude give any hint as to what would be better? Software 'aint everything :-) 73, Geoff GM4ESD S Sacco wrote on Sunday, February 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM While at the Orlando Hamcation, I stopped by the Kenwood booth. The sales dude mentioned that Kenwood would be introducing something in the K3 class, as far as performance, but better. snip __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] 1 kHz Filter for K3
Vic,I am using the 1K roofer as well as the 1.8, 2.8, 6.0 and of course for CW as well the 500Hz. I use my 1Khz mainly for safe ragchewing on CW and also for brick selectivity on SSB but when your use it on voice,you must move the SHIFT to 050 to recover the inteligibility,its very effective reducing qrm from stations at less than 2Khz apart. AD4C For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3 --- On Sun, 2/14/10, Vic K2VCO v...@rakefet.com wrote: From: Vic K2VCO v...@rakefet.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 1 kHz Filter for K3 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 7:56 PM On 2/14/2010 11:26 AM, Michael M. Raskin wrote: Is anyone using the 1 kHz filter in the K3 subreceiver for CW? Any pros or cons? I have one in the main rx. I got it on the grounds that I would use it in contests when running, setting the bandwidth to about 800 Hz. to catch off-frequency callers. In fact I find that 400 Hz works best, because there are usually loud stations close by! It's nice to have, but not as essential as I'd thought. -- Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition
Hi Geoff - He was very vague, hinting only that it would be a better performer, and did not provide further details. I did not mention, but meant to, that this new Kenwood would be unveiled at Dayton this year, so we'll know more soon. 73, Steve NN4X On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy gm4...@btinternet.com wrote: Steve, Did the Kenwood sales dude give any hint as to what would be better? Software 'aint everything :-) 73, Geoff GM4ESD S Sacco wrote on Sunday, February 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM While at the Orlando Hamcation, I stopped by the Kenwood booth. The sales dude mentioned that Kenwood would be introducing something in the K3 class, as far as performance, but better. snip __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition
Maybe it'll have titanium knobs. :-) 73 -- Joe ducking and running for cover KB8AP On Feb 14, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote: Steve, Did the Kenwood sales dude give any hint as to what would be better? Software 'aint everything :-) 73, Geoff GM4ESD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition
I wouldn't expect much from a manufacturer whose top radio for the last decade has been the shack in a box TS-2000 and which has not been a player in the top end of the market since the 1990s. In recent years I really got the impression ham radio isn't that important for Kenwood. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Competition-tp4571345p4571693.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility: Decode in Termnal Mode
AI0;TT1; - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Utility-Decode-in-Termnal-Mode-tp4571262p4571720.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
Sure I can comment on the origin of parts: There is nothing one can do about the origin of the parts... I work in the electronics design industry as well and there really is nothing you can build if you're only willing to use parts made in the USA. But there is a LOT to be said about designed and manufactured locally. Its more expensive but it does give you better control to more quickly respond to problems. And I don't just mean made in the USA I mean made where the design team is. I'm not pulling the whole USA is better than anyone else in everything garbage. I just feel that if the design team is in Germany that the best place to make it is Germany if you want quality and the ability to quickly respond to issues. Same holds true if a product is designed in China. ~Brett On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 11:48 -0500, S Sacco wrote: Hi Brett - I seriously think you're missing the point. The point was that other companies offer support, too, and they do. I agreed that Elecraft support is outstanding, so I'm pretty sure we're in agreement there. I note that you did not comment on the origin of the components inside the K3. ;-) While I like my K3's, I think you're romanticizing Elecraft. They're a for-profit business, and although staffed with passionate and highly talented people, I'm sure would close their doors if they could not turn a profit, which is entirely appropriate. I don't want anyone starving just to keep me happy - that would be Communism. Perhaps I'm alone in this regard, but I don't have an image in my mind of a wildly outnumbered band of Elecraftians (Elecraftites?) fighting valiantly on my behalf for all that's good and right and 10 dB better, versus the vastly larger, massed, swarming technical armies of YaeKenCom-Tec. Regarding me not being forced to purchase the K3. Brett, I've had this discussion MANY times, and have never once lost the argument. I was not, IMHO, particularly upstanding of Elecraft to publish a wildly optimistic release date, and then continue to publish wildly optimistic follow-on dates, most likely for the purpose of maintaining their existing orders, and attracting new ones. Wrong is just wrong, you know what I mean? Just because I could have chosen something else doesn't make what Elecraft did OK. Those, apparently like yourself, who have a lower threshold for what's ethical...that's your business, but that doesn't mean I have to agree, or lower MY standards, or not raise the issue when I feel it is appropriate. I sure hope they ship the P3 when they say they'll ship it. I may be wrong, but I think they did the same thing - strung out the release date - with the KRX3, didn't they? My goodness...I haven't said a peep in ages...yet, bewilderingly, you say: someone who complains so much about the products you sure hang out here a lot. . If, by hang out here a lot, you mean subscribe to the mailing list, then guilty as charged. I also subscribe to the k3 mailing list on Yahoo. Hope that's cool with you. :-) You're hardly calling me out.(see above regarding the frequency of my posting). Sooo...the bottom line is that I think $700 is an awful lot of money for the P3, and I said so, and you don't think it's too much, and you've criticized me for expressing my opinion. Speaking of K3's, I have to finish putting one of mine back together. U1 on the DSP board burned out (thanks, Gary, for the fast support on that!) - but it shouldn't have (AF amplifiers are hardly high-tech). Originally, I ordered a new DSP board, but after a couple of week's waiting and no notice of shipping, I made an inquiry, only to find that they weren't in stock, and wouldn't be for a few more weeks. (Thanks Lisa for your help with that!). So, once again, we have great support on one hand, and a strange disconnect (no notification that the board wouldn't be available for awhile) on the other. I went to Plan B, and had a friend of mine who has SMT experience and equipment, and he replaced the IC for me. I won't get the updates, but they're not that important to me. Take good care, Brett! 73, Steve NN4X EL98jh On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com wrote: Hell Yaesu has a great website with lots of information. Try giving them a call and getting them to help you debug an issue! Try emailing a designer! If you think Microsoft and HP provides excellent support of their products you have a low standard. As far as your K3 arriving later than you thought it would its not like you were forced into waiting for it. If you wanted your money back you'd have been handed all of your payment in full no questions asked. EVERYONE who ordered a K3 that early KNEW that it was going to take a long time. Mine took around 10 months to get from the time that I ordered it. I knew it was going to take that long and hell they didn't even take my money
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility: Decode in Termnal Mode
Thanks Julian! I almost had it! I found the TTn command but used a colon instead of a semi-colon. Idiot!!! Thanks for the AIn command headsup! Jack Regan, AE6GC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
Brett - You're drawing an arbitrary line in the sand. Your original statement was All of that equipment was made by teams of Chinese people who are paid very poorly and aren't treated all that well either. My point was that the people churning out those chips probably fall into the same category. But you knew that. Regarding local design/support, I am for wherever I can get the best team. Elecraft provides excellent support, and it's based in the U.S., which is local for you and me, but maybe not so much for our friends in other countries - but since it's so excellent, I don't think they're complaining. 73, Steve NN4X On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com wrote: Sure I can comment on the origin of parts: There is nothing one can do about the origin of the parts... I work in the electronics design industry as well and there really is nothing you can build if you're only willing to use parts made in the USA. But there is a LOT to be said about designed and manufactured locally. Its more expensive but it does give you better control to more quickly respond to problems. And I don't just mean made in the USA I mean made where the design team is. I'm not pulling the whole USA is better than anyone else in everything garbage. I just feel that if the design team is in Germany that the best place to make it is Germany if you want quality and the ability to quickly respond to issues. Same holds true if a product is designed in China. ~Brett On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 11:48 -0500, S Sacco wrote: Hi Brett - I seriously think you're missing the point. The point was that other companies offer support, too, and they do. I agreed that Elecraft support is outstanding, so I'm pretty sure we're in agreement there. I note that you did not comment on the origin of the components inside the K3. ;-) While I like my K3's, I think you're romanticizing Elecraft. They're a for-profit business, and although staffed with passionate and highly talented people, I'm sure would close their doors if they could not turn a profit, which is entirely appropriate. I don't want anyone starving just to keep me happy - that would be Communism. Perhaps I'm alone in this regard, but I don't have an image in my mind of a wildly outnumbered band of Elecraftians (Elecraftites?) fighting valiantly on my behalf for all that's good and right and 10 dB better, versus the vastly larger, massed, swarming technical armies of YaeKenCom-Tec. Regarding me not being forced to purchase the K3. Brett, I've had this discussion MANY times, and have never once lost the argument. I was not, IMHO, particularly upstanding of Elecraft to publish a wildly optimistic release date, and then continue to publish wildly optimistic follow-on dates, most likely for the purpose of maintaining their existing orders, and attracting new ones. Wrong is just wrong, you know what I mean? Just because I could have chosen something else doesn't make what Elecraft did OK. Those, apparently like yourself, who have a lower threshold for what's ethical...that's your business, but that doesn't mean I have to agree, or lower MY standards, or not raise the issue when I feel it is appropriate. I sure hope they ship the P3 when they say they'll ship it. I may be wrong, but I think they did the same thing - strung out the release date - with the KRX3, didn't they? My goodness...I haven't said a peep in ages...yet, bewilderingly, you say: someone who complains so much about the products you sure hang out here a lot. . If, by hang out here a lot, you mean subscribe to the mailing list, then guilty as charged. I also subscribe to the k3 mailing list on Yahoo. Hope that's cool with you. :-) You're hardly calling me out. (see above regarding the frequency of my posting). Sooo...the bottom line is that I think $700 is an awful lot of money for the P3, and I said so, and you don't think it's too much, and you've criticized me for expressing my opinion. Speaking of K3's, I have to finish putting one of mine back together. U1 on the DSP board burned out (thanks, Gary, for the fast support on that!) - but it shouldn't have (AF amplifiers are hardly high-tech). Originally, I ordered a new DSP board, but after a couple of week's waiting and no notice of shipping, I made an inquiry, only to find that they weren't in stock, and wouldn't be for a few more weeks. (Thanks Lisa for your help with that!). So, once again, we have great support on one hand, and a strange disconnect (no notification that the board wouldn't be available for awhile) on the other. I went to Plan B, and had a friend of mine who has SMT experience and equipment, and he replaced the IC for me. I won't get the updates, but they're not that important to me. Take good care, Brett! 73, Steve NN4X EL98jh On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com wrote:
[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net results (2-14-10)
We had a good Valentine's Day net today. Signals were generally OK, and we had 30 participants over the 28 minute net. The discussions centered on information about the P3 (or lack thereof). One station reported trouble getting registered for the reflector. Many in the east and southeast reported cold and/or snow. In contrast, we have had a very mild winter here in the Pacific Northwest - cool, lighter rain than usual and no snow in the low elevations. Here is the list of the group: Station NameQTH Rig S/N KM5QWindy NM K3 764 AB1DD CarlVT K3 3782 W0FMTerry MO K3 474 K4GCJ Garry NC K3 1597 AE6IC FredCA K3 2241 AD1GDickMA K3 722 WB8RAE BillNY K3 2389 AD5SX PaulNM TS480 W8OVDaveTX K3 3139 W4RKS Jim AL K3 3618 K0JWC Jim MN K3 3447 K8MBY PhilOH K3 609 KD0HII GlenIA K3 3672 W5ETJ GaryTX K3 3227 AC0NM/7 Glenn AZ K3 2843 AC9DDickCA K3 3697 W5EWA StanTX K3 690 K2QYJohnNY K3 3845 W0NTA DickCO K2 1787 KE4INM EricFL K3 3307 K4CCH Charlie GA K3 3509 KG4PP Jim CO K2 1714 K5LAD Jim OK K3? 5 watts W8YMO Harry OH K3 166 K3FPR Don NC K3 20 KA0NCR Arnie NE K3 185 WB8ENE Art OH FT897 ZL1PWD Peter NZ K3 139 WA1RM Bob MA Jupiter NS7PPhilOR K3 1826 73, Phil, NS7P __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - ERR 12V???
Don Did all you said and the rig ran for a while and the same thing happened, also saw and 80C det temp on the PA and it was not that hot. Cool air from the fans. Craig -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-ERR-12V-tp4567085p4572201.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - ERR 12V???
Have you examined pins 21 through 26 of J67/P67? At 2/14/2010 06:49 PM, Craig WÃLV wrote: Don Did all you said and the rig ran for a while and the same thing happened, also saw and 80C det temp on the PA and it was not that hot. Cool air from the fans. Craig -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-ERR-12V-tp4567085p4572201.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition
This is the first message today on this reflector that made me laugh out loud. On Feb 14, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Joe Planisky wrote: Maybe it'll have titanium knobs. :-) 73 -- Joe ducking and running for cover KB8AP On Feb 14, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote: Steve, Did the Kenwood sales dude give any hint as to what would be better? Software 'aint everything :-) 73, Geoff GM4ESD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Question about vertical and radial placement
Hello, Currently without any HF antenna and after seeing my friend's success with his homebuilt vertical, I'm starting to consider a self-supported 43' allbander, from DX-Engineering or the like. Not really looking to discuss general performance vs. other antennas, but I am curious about my options for installing. I live in a very standard subdivision-type lot, about 180'x70' with a single-story 55'x25' house right in the middle. The one option that I have to rule out is putting the antenna smack-dab in the center of the backyard. Besides just not wanting an antenna in the middle of my backyard, that would put the antenna way too close to the 7200v powerline strung over my property line. About the only ground-mounted option would be 5-10' away away from the back of the house, which would make it clear the high-power line, but it could still come in contact with my 240v residental feed if it went over in that direction. My ideal location would be on the roof. Not only could I be 100% clear of any powerlines, phone, or cable, but it would be nearly 20' higher, and basically in the clear of anything to the sides. My question, therefore, is what about radials? Draping radials across the roof doesn't sound like an option to me, mainly for asthetic reasons. So I ask: could I send #2 or #4 copper from the antenna base to both the front and the backyard, and connect it each one to radials in both the front and back yard? I would be mounting this antenna within 10' of the end of the house, so I could send 1 piece of copper down one of the ends of the house, and then split off from there in each direction. It would probably then take about another 20-30' in each direction before it met with the radial distribution point. Thank you for any insight. Will probably post this to eham verbatim as well, but wanted to start here. K8DJW -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Question-about-vertical-and-radial-placement-tp4572282p4572282.html Sent from the [OT] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] P3 at Orlando hamfest pictures and movies
Ok guys this is what you all were waiting, a close view of the P3 in action,thanks to my friend Julio AD4Z who was yesterday at Orlando hamfest with Eric from Elecraft now we have 11 close pictures and also three movies,two of them are short but there is one that is big in which one Eric explain detaily how the P3 works and you can see it receiving signals,for the ones who have high speed internet at home it will take about 20 minutes to download,others will have to wait more because the file has 267 MB,enjoy as I did as well,here is the link: http://www.ad4c.us/Elecraft%20K3/P3%20at%20Orlando%20hamfest%202010/ AD4C For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Question about vertical and radial placement
With a wire running down to the radials, you would have something more like an off center fed vertical dipole. The distance to ground would be near a quarter wave for some bands. Heavy wire would not change that. Have you considered going through the roof with a wire to a counterpoise in the attic? 73 - Mike WA8BXN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 in SSB
Well tahnks to everybody that has answer me, so seems like a lot of you guys use the K3 in CW what about SSB, I ma mostly interested in SSB PSK31 and some MARS, so any ideas about that aspecte compare to the jap radios EMILSE KE7EOZ _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition
The sales dude mentioned that Kenwood would be introducing something in the K3 class, as far as performance, but better. Talk is cheap...But the fact is, Kenwood, Icom, and Yaesu have had the ability for a long long time to make receivers with good close-in blocking. But they always seem to put the dollars into bells and whistles, and lots of buttons and knobs. The Yaesu FT-5000 is the first Japanese rig that will probably be up there with Elecraft, Ten-Tec, and Flex in close-in blocking and dynamic range. But $6000-$8000? Not me, I'll keep my Mark-V for SSB and some CW, and use the K3 for tough conditions. For SSB, the Mark-V sounds great, and is very convenient to use. For crowded CW, the K3 is amazing, and not hard to use at all. It is a fine replacement for my T-T Corsair. After adding the LP-Pan, and using PowerSDR-IF and CW Skimmer, I just don't know what else I would want in a station. I guess we will see what Kenwood comes up with. I had a TS-950SD before the Mark-V, and it was another fine radio, but the K3 is in a class all it's own for CW. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Competition-tp4571345p4572433.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 at Orlando hamfest pictures and movies
Thank you sir... I was able to download in about 6 minutes. If you want I can repost them to another site if you want to save on your bandwidth. ~Brett On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 16:47 -0800, Hector Padron wrote: Ok guys this is what you all were waiting, a close view of the P3 in action,thanks to my friend Julio AD4Z who was yesterday at Orlando hamfest with Eric from Elecraft now we have 11 close pictures and also three movies,two of them are short but there is one that is big in which one Eric explain detaily how the P3 works and you can see it receiving signals,for the ones who have high speed internet at home it will take about 20 minutes to download,others will have to wait more because the file has 267 MB,enjoy as I did as well,here is the link: http://www.ad4c.us/Elecraft%20K3/P3%20at%20Orlando%20hamfest%202010/ AD4C For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Question about vertical and radial placement
On 2/14/2010 4:17 PM, djmd wrote: Currently without any HF antenna and after seeing my friend's success with his homebuilt vertical, I'm starting to consider a self-supported 43' allbander, from DX-Engineering or the like. Not really looking to discuss general performance vs. other antennas, but I am curious about my options for installing. [balance snipped] My lot is about the same size as yours. Consider the Cushcraft R-8 (or R-9 if they have brought it out) which is what I use with my K2. It does not require an external radial field because it has its own decoupling skirt - hard to describe but easy to see in a photo or drawing of it. I installed it off the back deck of my two-story house on a 10 foot mast so that the decoupling skirt clears the 8 foot high deck structure. Another 10 foot piece of conduit is installed over a ground rod (safety/lightning ground, not RF ground) and the top of that conduit is bonded to the bottom of the mounting mast as well as the bottom of the conduit bonded to the round rod. Works like a charm! -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 in RTTY is great
I have a modest station with 3 ground mounted verticals, no beams or towers. I just completed the CQ WPX RTTY contest. My score improved by about 35% over last year. The only change at my station during the past year was the K3. It decodes weak RTTY signals like a champ. Kudos to the K3 it is just a fantastic rig. You gotta love this radio! Rich __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition
Heck they're still trying to catch up to the K2 and Icom and Yeasu too. And I dont think any of them yet make a rig with the performance of the K3 at all... LS W5QD, K2 #6880 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Competition-tp4571345p4572492.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 in SSB
The K3 is data ready. What that means is that you can simply connect two stereo cables with 3.5mm plugs between the K3 and your computer soundcard. Add to that an RS-232 cable to handle the PTT function and you can operate all of the data modes. The K3 has a DATA mode in addition to SSB that turns compression off for best IMD. There are 4 sub-modes for DATA mode - 1) DATA A for most soundcard data modes - 2) AFSK A for soundcard generated RTTY (RTTY works in DATA A too, but AFSK A adds some features. -3) PSK D (for PSK Direct) which allows you to enter text from the paddles and it will be converted to PSK31 signals in the K3 with decode of the received signal in the VFO B display. That is handy when you want to operate PSK without a computer. Finally -4) FSK D which can be used just like PSK D with input from the paddles and text display on the VFO B LCD area, but can also be used with true FSK with the input on the ACC connector. The bottom line, you can easily use the K3 on data modes, and the interface is built-in, no need for an external data mode interface box. There are transformer isolated LINE IN and LINE OUT connectors on the back of the K3 just or this purpose (and more too). 73, Don W3FPR Emilse Peraza wrote: Well tahnks to everybody that has answer me, so seems like a lot of you guys use the K3 in CW what about SSB, I ma mostly interested in SSB PSK31 and some MARS, so any ideas about that aspecte compare to the jap radios EMILSE KE7EOZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Question about vertical and radial placement
Some of you saw the post I made about mounting a vertical on a roof, and what to do about the radials situation. I didn't think the post had been accepted yet, so I deleted it and planned on reposting it a bit differently after reading a little more and realizing that the radials would need to be more carefully tuned and sloped. This would be difficult for me to pull off to say the least. I did get an excellent suggestion to check out the diamond CP6A. Unfortunately this antenna is discontinued. There is a 6-40m CP5H, however, which may be a good option! Even if the bandwidth on 40m isn't great, that's ok, as I failed to mention that I'm 90% CW, 9% PSK, and 1% SSB. Low power also - 15w or so. I should probably also check out the other available antennas that don't require radials. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Re-Elecraft-Question-about-vertical-and-radial-placement-tp4572504p4572504.html Sent from the [OT] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Considering K3
As for the original question, I guess it depends on whether you do CW in crowded conditions. On SSB, most good radios perform quite well. CW is where you will notice the difference. My favorites were the Omni-V and Corsair. They are gone now, and the K3 top both of them. I have a Mark-V, and for SSB, I prefer it to the K3. It isn't any better, but is a bit more convenient to operate. For filter in the K3, I am just using the stock 2.7 5-pole and the 250 8-pole. Since you have IF-DSP, I don't see much use in a 500 or 400, unless you find 250 too narrow for your taste. I have been using 250Hz filters in my rigs for 30 years, so I am used to the 250 narrow filter. I just set the DSP to 1.0kHZ for tuning, spot the signal, then punch in the 250. Works great for me. I do plan on adding a 1500 Inrad, when they have the next batch ready in March. It will be good for CW tuning and for very narrow SSB. If I could only have one HF rig, it would be the K3. 73 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Considering-K3-tp4568589p4572506.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Question about vertical and radial placement
Ugh, I can't win tonight! :) The suggestion was for a CP6AR which is still available as far as I can tell. Looking into it right now... -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Re-Elecraft-Question-about-vertical-and-radial-placement-tp4572504p4572514.html Sent from the [OT] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 in RTTY is great
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM, K3RWN rwnewbo...@comcast.net wrote: I have a modest station with 3 ground mounted verticals, no beams or towers. I just completed the CQ WPX RTTY contest. My score improved by about 35% over last year. The only change at my station during the past year was the K3. It decodes weak RTTY signals like a champ. Good going. Don't want to rain on the K3 parade, but conditions were at least 35% better this year than last. 73, Hank, W6SX Mammoth Lakes, California Elevation 8083 feet in John Muir's Range of Light __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KPA100 - Problems on 15m
Thanks for your input Don. The contest just finished a few hours ago. The PKA100 got a good workout. I'll go inside and tighten the mounting screws on the power transistors (as they recommend) tomorrow. The SGC autotuner is installed at the feedpoint of a 20m vertical in the back yard, about 80 ft from the house, not in the shack. The K2 and my power meter indicate a perfect match (as one would hope) on 20m, and 1.2:1 on 15m. That of course doesn't necessarily mean there's no RF in the shack, just laying out the setup a bit. I'll run some tests with my dummy load in place and report back. 73 and thanks again, Ken --- On Sun, 2/14/10, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA100 - Problems on 15m To: Ken Alexander k.alexan...@rogers.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 3:08 AM Ken, That does not make sense. The Power output for RTTY is no different than CW (or TUNE) except that the audio input to the K2 is different from CW. There is no band to band difference for the K2 - AFSK modulation is AFSK modulation no matter which band it is on. I would be looking for RF Feedback problems on 15 meters. Try it into a dummy load and see if things are normal - if so, look at your antenna system or the solution. OTOH, if all bands behave the same way when operated into a dummy load, then look to your RTTY driving software and whatever interface you are using. Actually, RTTY AFSK is more related to SSB transmission than CW, so try SSB as well. If SSB transmission os OK, then your RTTY driving system is suspect (but would be the same on all bands). If your problems are confined to only 15 meters, then look at the possibility of RF Feedback on 15 meters. 73, Don W3FPR Ken Alexander wrote: I completed building my KPA100 a few weeks ago. It passed all tests and checks all the way through. However, today I noticed something strange. I'm operating in the CQ WPX RTTY contest this weekend and spent most of the day on 20m with the Power set to 50W. I went to 15m to try it out. With the Power control still set to 50W I hit the Tune button to get my remote autotuner to tune to 15m. The K2 and my external power meter indicated the normal 20W, as it should in Tune mode when the power is set higher than 20W. When I went to transmit RTTY (without touching the Power control), my external power meter barely indicated 10 watts. This only happens on 15m. As an experiment, I went to the CW portion of the band. Tune gives you 20W. Keying the transmitter with my paddles give me 50W. Any ideas would be appreciated. 73, Ken Alexander VE3HLS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2685 - Release Date: 02/13/10 03:43:00 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Question about vertical and radial placement
You are likely to get a lot of ideas and comments, but a bit of study will substantiate what I am about to say on the subject - it is all just practical physics, no real 'magic' involved. (OK -- some theory from EE Field Mechanics theory is involved too). If you mount the 43 ft. vertical on the roof and run a heavy gauge wire from the roof to the ground, the length of the vertical will be increased by the length of the wire. I don't know whether that is good or bad - it all depends. For low band use, the extra length can be a good thing, but the take-off angle on the higher bands will not be as expected (and published) for a 43 ft. radiator - it will begin to break up into higher angled lobes. At what frequency that occurs depends on th length of the added wire. If what you want is the 43 foot vertical, then buy enough telescoping tubing (DX Engineering is one source) to make the total of your wire from the housetop plus the vertical radiator equal to 43 feet (not critical since it must be tuned anyway). Then you can bury the radials in the yard. How efficient it will be depends on the number of radials. The other approach is to put the 43 foot vertical on the rooftop and use 4 43 foot radials at its base (yes, 4 wires on the rooftop) - they can droop down the corners of the house if there is no other choice - use insulators as if the radials were antenna wires (they actually are). These radials should NOT be connected to ground, but are a part of the antenna. You can feed the antenna (and radials) with open wire or ladder line and use a tuner in the shack. You should have good performance on 40 through 10 meters with a low angle of radiation (good for DX). The horizontal component of radiation will cancel if the radial pairs are oriented symmetrically (180 degrees apart). In fact, you might be able to get away with two radials rather than 4, but 4 will be slightly better. Again, these are elevated radials and are a part of the antenna system - do not connect them to an earth ground. You should achieve a low angle of radiation on 80 through 20 meters, but the lobes of maximum radiation will be higher above 20 meters. That is characteristic of the popular 43 foot vertical. 73, Don W3FPR djmd wrote: Hello, Currently without any HF antenna and after seeing my friend's success with his homebuilt vertical, I'm starting to consider a self-supported 43' allbander, from DX-Engineering or the like. Not really looking to discuss general performance vs. other antennas, but I am curious about my options for installing. I live in a very standard subdivision-type lot, about 180'x70' with a single-story 55'x25' house right in the middle. The one option that I have to rule out is putting the antenna smack-dab in the center of the backyard. Besides just not wanting an antenna in the middle of my backyard, that would put the antenna way too close to the 7200v powerline strung over my property line. About the only ground-mounted option would be 5-10' away away from the back of the house, which would make it clear the high-power line, but it could still come in contact with my 240v residental feed if it went over in that direction. My ideal location would be on the roof. Not only could I be 100% clear of any powerlines, phone, or cable, but it would be nearly 20' higher, and basically in the clear of anything to the sides. My question, therefore, is what about radials? Draping radials across the roof doesn't sound like an option to me, mainly for asthetic reasons. So I ask: could I send #2 or #4 copper from the antenna base to both the front and the backyard, and connect it each one to radials in both the front and back yard? I would be mounting this antenna within 10' of the end of the house, so I could send 1 piece of copper down one of the ends of the house, and then split off from there in each direction. It would probably then take about another 20-30' in each direction before it met with the radial distribution point. Thank you for any insight. Will probably post this to eham verbatim as well, but wanted to start here. K8DJW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Question about vertical and radial placement
Contrary to expectations, your radials need not go anywhere near the ground. If your antenna is on the roof then your radials should start at the feed point and remain horizontal, and stay on the roof. They don't need to go down to the ground and so they won't be visible (at least not compared to a 44ft vertical!). So you might be able to solve your aesthetics problems and get good antenna performance with elevated radials. Two per band would be a minimum, and more would be better, but you don't need 160 of them! There's a good article in QST this month on ground radials and elevated radials and what works best, based on actual tests. But first, you might want to read a bit on the issue of ground and vertical antennas; getting the wires to the earth isn't important. (Though you do need some sort of lightning protection which would likely involve that, perhaps by running your coax down to the ground and putting a lightning device there.) Leigh/WA5ZNU -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Question-about-vertical-and-radial-placement-tp4572326p4572588.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Question about vertical and radial placement
Look into the GAP Titan DX I am using one now and very happy with it. Will mount on your house nicely Donald -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Re-Elecraft-Question-about-vertical-and-radial-placement-tp4572504p4572542.html Sent from the [OT] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 at Orlando hamfest pictures and movies
Ok well it looks like it works very nicely... Good resolution and fast refresh rates. I just hope that the screen blinking when you make adjustments is improved on a bit. It should be a little more dynamic than that and a little less seizure inducing... ;) But things like making the screen resize pretty are those final touches that you put on afterward. I just hope that the code is written in such a way to not make adding that too difficult... ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 16:47 -0800, Hector Padron wrote: Ok guys this is what you all were waiting, a close view of the P3 in action,thanks to my friend Julio AD4Z who was yesterday at Orlando hamfest with Eric from Elecraft now we have 11 close pictures and also three movies,two of them are short but there is one that is big in which one Eric explain detaily how the P3 works and you can see it receiving signals,for the ones who have high speed internet at home it will take about 20 minutes to download,others will have to wait more because the file has 267 MB,enjoy as I did as well,here is the link: http://www.ad4c.us/Elecraft%20K3/P3%20at%20Orlando%20hamfest%202010/ AD4C For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition
I would not be so dismissive of the competition. The emotional value of the Kenwood name in ham radio is well known. The Kenwood name is still hugely popular. Who does not comment about kenwood audio quality You joke about catching up with the K2. The Kenwood TS830s is a 30 year old radio that has performance thats better than the K2 in many areas. It is the case of the K2 catching up with the 30 year old TS830S! I would suggest that if Kenwood released a updated version of the TS950SDX or Kenwood TS870S model radios it would be a top seller. This would be especially so if the performance matched the K3. Just try buying any one of these models in good condition, good luck! The TS870S was radio that was many years ahead of its time. It introduced concepts that we take for granted today. Many of these concepts that we take for granted were pioneered by Kenwood in the TS870S. Just because Kenwood is not releasing numerous models of transceiver does not mean its not interested in the ham radio market. The board of Kenwood Japan still has a few hams on it including that of the founding family. It has been said in numerous places that the ham division of kenwood was not closed had it not been for these ham board members who had an emotional attachment with this hobby and its role in the companies history. Kenwood could release a new model transceiver every month if it wanted to do that. Its in-house engineering and development department is much bigger than Yaesu or Icoms. Most of the engineers at Icom and Vertex got most of their training at Kenwood. Alinco is a company that is very good at poaching Kenwood Engineers and designing the same products with their name on it. In reality I prefer the way Kenwood does things. The Kenwood TS480HX is a good example of this. Well researched, well designed and well built. Turning out radios like Icom does full of bugs and component failure is certainly not very professional. I am sure if Kenwood designed the IC7700 it would not have PA device failure, or static problems when you touched the radio. There is 2 rumors going around. The first is that Kenwood is designing a direct sampling super HF transceiver. This rumor comes from a good source who indicates that the radio was being developed for the Japanese services. This came about because of Kenwoods links with JRC who have essentially closed down their HF radio manufacturing division. The second rumour is that Kenwood is also designing a K3 like radio. This makes good sense because this is what market wants. The last thing we need is a another 70mhz IF radio with below average performance. All of these long debates we have been having about receiver and transmitter performance is only going to result in better products for us all. The only losers in this debate are the manufacturers who cant deliver performance. Those who insist on charge ridiculous prices for sub-standard products that dont meet the needs of the market will suffer. You can only rely on a color screen, a big box and 20,000 knobs for so long before the customers wake up and realize its just hot air and will ask for better performance. We know that the better performance cant be delivered with the up conversion architecture, so dont be surprised if there is a 9mhz IF radio with a huge color screen some time soon! If Elecraft wants to keep its market share it cant just rest on its receiver laurels either. John --- On Sun, 2/14/10, lstavenhagen lstavenha...@hotmail.com wrote: From: lstavenhagen lstavenha...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 5:37 PM Heck they're still trying to catch up to the K2 and Icom and Yeasu too. And I dont think any of them yet make a rig with the performance of the K3 at all... LS W5QD, K2 #6880 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Competition-tp4571345p4572492.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for February 14th 15th, 2010
Good Evening, A piece from West Side Story on the radio while I type; thanks Lennie! Both nets were pretty good though I received comments that 40 meters was going to get better as the night wore on. Now I am reading of experiments to test the waters above 7100 kHz for a new QRP watering hole. Thus far the tests are good and QRM is non-existent. After moving four times to find a clear spot for the second net I may join them for a short commune. However, there are enough QRP operators joining in just where we sit. Two folks changed rigs between nets just to test my skills :) Luckily I have the numbers from previous check ins. Mike mentioned 40 meters necessitated going back to the K3 since QSB had auroral aspects to it. I told Dave, K1THP, that he sounded like he was coming over the pole. It was fun. Both bands were surprisingly clear. Forty was not as quiet as twenty but that is in its nature. Poor Tom works for his pay but only lands those near me. Seems like the band is long to him by the time he is called on to act as NCS. But he takes it in stride and enjoys himself none the less. Maybe I need to pay him more ;) I did have one new op test the waters this evening. Good signal on his IC 746 Pro from Indiana; maybe he will join us again. I did miss a couple ESP stations and just barely got N2YC out of the noise but he was logged. On forty there was one I just could not grab. Sorry :( On to the lists = On 14050.5 kHz at 2300z: N9OL - John - IN W0NTA - Dick - CO - K2 - 1787 AB9V - Mike - IN - K2 - 3993** QNI # 280 ** W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457 WB3AAL - Ron - PA - K2 - 1392 QNI # 60 !!! N0SS - Tom - MO - K3 - 008 K1THP - Dave - CT - K3 - 686 * QNI # 120 * W8OV - Dave - TX - K3 - 3139 QNI # 25 !! K6PJV - Dale - CA - K3 - 1183* QNI # 170 * K6DGW - Fred - CA - K3 - 642 * QNI # 165 * N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866 ** QNI # 230 ** N2YC - John - NY - K2 - 5949 On 7044.21 kHz at z: K6PJV - Dale - CA - K1 - 2092 KL7CW - Rick - AK - KX1 - 798 W0NTA - Dick - CO - K2 - 1787 AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 - 398 WB3AAL - Ron - PA - K2 - 1392 AE6IC - Fred - CA - K3 - 2241 K1THP - Dave - CT - K3 - 686 NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820 I think I got all the serial numbers correct but an error may have slipped in. Please write if such is the case. I had reports of winter from the east but everyone along the West Coast from Palmer, Alaska to Auburn, California reported very fine weather. I was experiencing sun alternating with light showers. I am right on the northern edge of a storm streaming in off the Pacific Ocean. South of the storm it is sunny and in the 60s. Poor Scott was working on his snowblower. I think he uses it too much when he goes fishing ;) But, then, he does have over 24 inches of ice to bore through before he wets a hook! I won't begrudge him the power tools to get his Northerns. I am grateful to Dale for running QRP. His signal was still 599 but much less painful. There seems to be a conduit between his location and my own; much like the one Rick has from Alaska. Rick wrote me recently about the mountain which blocks his working very far to the east so his signals are mostly across the Pacific and down a path toward the West Coast. I have the same problem with TV signals from either Seattle or Portland. But I have not watched TV in many years. One, I don't have the time, and two, it is simply too difficult to do so. But they do put movies onto DVDs just for me. I play them on my design computer :) With two monitors I can work on one while I watch a movie on the other. Until next week stay warm and stay healthy, 73, Kevin. KD5ONS (Net Control Operator 5th Class) - __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition
Well yeah that's kind of my point. The competition lost my business because of the gadgeteering rather than offering good basic performance. If Kenwood still made the 530 and 830, I'd probably have bought one by now (I used to have a 530S, it was lovely and I never should have sold it). Otherwise, it's all just too many big screens with overly complicated, fragile, crashing and buggy software and not enough basic performance and value. I havn't been able to pull the trigger on a rig since I bought my 706MKIIG back in college because I just havn't been able to find an acceptable bang/buck in an HF rig since then. I've long since become inactive as a result (my ticket had even expired but was fortunately still within the grace period when I sent my renewal into FCC last year, whew!). That is, until I discovered elecraft. I just buttoned up the cover on my K2 a couple days ago and am already absolutely amazed with its wonderful RX and CW performance. Couldn't care less that it doesn't have a band scope - I can hear weak sigs down in the noise even while that s9+20 lid is calling CQ on top of them 1 or 2 kc's away and can hear them. Just hit XFIL and he's out of the picture hi hi. So that's how elecraft got me as a convert. At some point, you need a rig that works for what you want to do with it. For me, that's already my K2. I thought long and hard about a K3 as well, but it's a little out of my budget for now. Plus, I could build my K2, which I really wanted to do too. LS -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Competition-tp4571345p4572722.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] P3 at Orlando hamfest, pictures and movies, see it in action
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[Elecraft] K3 Mic adjustment - How not to do it. :)
Well K3 number 3903 has been online for 12 days now. I bought it mostly for CW and digital, but a few days ago, I figured I should wire up a mic. So since I have a few Yaesu hand mics, I rewired the 8-pin plug for the K3. That worked fine, but setting the EQ has been a nightmare. Monitoring from the K3 headphone jack and the receive on the Mark-V sounded weird, like it was through DSP noise reduction. I tried other dynamic mics in the rear panel and still, just a strange hollow sound. Tonight, I decided to make an MP3 recording to send to Elecraft tomorrow, to see what is wrong with my otherwise perfect K3. Guess what, nothing is wrong? It sounds normal. Now I realize that there is a small delay as the audio is run through the ADC, DSP, then DAC. It is only a few milliseconds, but when the headphone audio is mixed with your actual voice through bone conduction to the eardrums, you have a weird audio effect that is not true to the actual sound. The EQ is also impossible to adjust properly. My on the air reports were not good, as I had way too much high end EQ set to counter the lows from bone conduction. So my conclusion is that the only way to do it right, is to transmit to a seperate receiver that is feeding audio into a soundcard. Record the audio, then play it back. This effect doesn't seem as significant with an analog (no delay) audio chain, but I bet I can get the Mark-V sounding better by recording reception of the Mark-V on the K3. Maybe I can get on the Elecraft SSB net next Sunday to see if this all works. :) Hope this makes some sense, and helps others with audio setup. 73 - Bob -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Mic-adjustment-How-not-to-do-it-tp4572806p4572806.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition
Hi Gary Who suggested that the TS480 is somehow better than the K3? Radios with 60 db IMD dynamic range are substandard. The Kenwood TS480S is well designed and very well constructed radio that has very few flaws. The PA stage is also very well constructed. Compared to the FT857 and the IC7000 the TS480 is built like a tank. The Elecraft designers are Kenwood fans, that says a lot! John --- On Sun, 2/14/10, rfenab...@gmail.com rfenab...@gmail.com wrote: From: rfenab...@gmail.com rfenab...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition To: juergen plebia...@yahoo.com Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 8:00 PM No way is the TS-480 series a great kenwood radio, it has a very average receiver, no notch filter and does a 2nd rate job in the shack. As a mobile I would rate it a 7 out of 10 If kenwood want to compete with the K3 they will have to lift their game a lot. 73's Gary VK4FD Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra -Original Message- From: juergen plebia...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:46:53 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition I would not be so dismissive of the competition. The emotional value of the Kenwood name in ham radio is well known. The Kenwood name is still hugely popular. Who does not comment about kenwood audio quality You joke about catching up with the K2. The Kenwood TS830s is a 30 year old radio that has performance thats better than the K2 in many areas. It is the case of the K2 catching up with the 30 year old TS830S! I would suggest that if Kenwood released a updated version of the TS950SDX or Kenwood TS870S model radios it would be a top seller. This would be especially so if the performance matched the K3. Just try buying any one of these models in good condition, good luck! The TS870S was radio that was many years ahead of its time. It introduced concepts that we take for granted today. Many of these concepts that we take for granted were pioneered by Kenwood in the TS870S. Just because Kenwood is not releasing numerous models of transceiver does not mean its not interested in the ham radio market. The board of Kenwood Japan still has a few hams on it including that of the founding family. It has been said in numerous places that the ham division of kenwood was not closed had it not been for these ham board members who had an emotional attachment with this hobby and its role in the companies history. Kenwood could release a new model transceiver every month if it wanted to do that. Its in-house engineering and development department is much bigger than Yaesu or Icoms. Most of the engineers at Icom and Vertex got most of their training at Kenwood. Alinco is a company that is very good at poaching Kenwood Engineers and designing the same products with their name on it. In reality I prefer the way Kenwood does things. The Kenwood TS480HX is a good example of this. Well researched, well designed and well built. Turning out radios like Icom does full of bugs and component failure is certainly not very professional. I am sure if Kenwood designed the IC7700 it would not have PA device failure, or static problems when you touched the radio. There is 2 rumors going around. The first is that Kenwood is designing a direct sampling super HF transceiver. This rumor comes from a good source who indicates that the radio was being developed for the Japanese services. This came about because of Kenwoods links with JRC who have essentially closed down their HF radio manufacturing division. The second rumour is that Kenwood is also designing a K3 like radio. This makes good sense because this is what market wants. The last thing we need is a another 70mhz IF radio with below average performance. All of these long debates we have been having about receiver and transmitter performance is only going to result in better products for us all. The only losers in this debate are the manufacturers who cant deliver performance. Those who insist on charge ridiculous prices for sub-standard products that dont meet the needs of the market will suffer. You can only rely on a color screen, a big box and 20,000 knobs for so long before the customers wake up and realize its just hot air and will ask for better performance. We know that the better performance cant be delivered with the up conversion architecture, so dont be surprised if there is a 9mhz IF radio with a huge color screen some time soon! If Elecraft wants to keep its market share it cant just rest on its receiver laurels either. John --- On Sun, 2/14/10, lstavenhagen lstavenha...@hotmail.com wrote: From: lstavenhagen lstavenha...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 5:37 PM Heck they're still trying to catch up to the K2 and Icom and
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition
You joke about catching up with the K2. The Kenwood TS830s is a 30 year old radio that has performance thats better than the K2 in many areas. It is the case of the K2 catching up with the 30 year old TS830S! The TS-830S was/is a fine radio. It is a prime example of the error of adding general coverage to HF rigs. It was ham band only, and better then 80% of the current rigs. Receiver performance has gone down hill, just to add general coverage and a zillion buttons. Not the case with my old Ten-Tec Corsair or the Omni-V. I had a Paragon for a while, and it was ok, but not up to the ham band only rigs. What Elecraft did with the K2, is design a Ham HF rig for top performance on our bands. Single conversion like my old Corsair, that works very well. I hesitated to sell the Corsair and the Omni-V, as they are first class CW rigs, but the K3 is incredible. I don't miss them at all, other then for sentimental reasons. I needed K3 money, and they got sold. No matter what the future holds, we can thank Elecraft for putting a fire under those Japanese butts. Some of us want performance. Where they still don't get it, is they will continue to produce performance by price point. If you want top performance, you will also pay for buttons, knobs, and HD LCD screens, and pay top dollar. Yes, they can design radios that perform, but they won't perform until you pay $6000+. I have had my new K3 online for 12 days. It now has an LP-Pan, HRD, PowerSDR, and CW skimmer configured, and there is nothing for any price that can perform better. Maybe an IC-7800 doesn't need all the interface boxes and wires, but I like this setup, and it was 1/4 the price. I am so impressed with this setup, that I doubt I will even think about a new rig for a long, long time. I still like the Mark-V, but I have a feeling that it may be gone soon, as I get used to the K2 ergonomics. But the Mark-V is a good SWL radio. :) For now, I am finishing setup, and I am just going to work stations. A lot of stations, with a big smile on my face. 73 - Bob -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Competition-tp4571345p4572883.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Test
AA4AK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 at Orlando hamfest pictures and movies
The display artifact that was visible when I adjust the marker is not something that will be present on the released P3. I had just loaded the latest engineering code into my unit for the show and it had a number of minor items like this that had just appeared in the last pass. We'll make sure they aren't there at release. (I haven't actually seen the video - I'm half awake flying home at 34,000 ft. Just hooked up to the in-flight wi-fi a few minutes ago.) The P3 code is well structured and is working amazingly well. I'm very happy with the speed of display and resolution. To be honest, I actually slowed -down- the sweep time to 40 ms per pass to make it look its best. (Its adjustable in the menu.) Its blindingly fast. I think I also may have had the signal averaging function turned on with an average of three passes per average when they took those shots. This is also far form our final code. We have a number of unique features coming that were not enabled for the show. (The P3 firmware is downloadable just like the K3..) I'll post more info later on this week after I get caught up from the trip. It will take several days as my mailbox is overflowing from four days on the road. 73, Eric WA6HHQ Brett Howard wrote: Ok well it looks like it works very nicely... Good resolution and fast refresh rates. I just hope that the screen blinking when you make adjustments is improved on a bit. It should be a little more dynamic than that and a little less seizure inducing... ;) But things like making the screen resize pretty are those final touches that you put on afterward. I just hope that the code is written in such a way to not make adding that too difficult... ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 16:47 -0800, Hector Padron wrote: Ok guys this is what you all were waiting, a close view of the P3 in action,thanks to my friend Julio AD4Z who was yesterday at Orlando hamfest with Eric from Elecraft now we have 11 close pictures and also three movies,two of them are short but there is one that is big in which one Eric explain detaily how the P3 works and you can see it receiving signals,for the ones who have high speed internet at home it will take about 20 minutes to download,others will have to wait more because the file has 267 MB,enjoy as I did as well,here is the link: http://www.ad4c.us/Elecraft%20K3/P3%20at%20Orlando%20hamfest%202010/ AD4C For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- _..._ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
Gentlemen - Let's end this OT part of the thread and take it to direct email. (Also, as a general note to everyone, please stop copying 100% of prior posts in each reply. It clogs the reflector and digests. And it makes it painful to read for those of us reading email using PDAs like the Motorola Droid.) 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft List Moderator - S Sacco wrote: Brett - You're drawing an arbitrary line in the sand. Your original statement was All of that equipment was made by teams of Chinese people who are paid very poorly and aren't treated all that well either. My point was that the people churning out those chips probably fall into the same category. But you knew that. _..._ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 Photo taken at Orlando
On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 19:25 -0500, Edward Dickinson, III wrote: 14.62.8..? That bug has already been fixed. (Eric didn't have the latest firmware in his box.) :=) Alan N1AL 73, Dick - KA5KKT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 at Orlando hamfest pictures and movies
You had it set to an average of 3 in the video but you also turned it down to real time and yes it is amply fast... Its not as fast as the 80 and 120,000 dollar spectrum analyzers I use at work often but its quite an impressive little gem. I'd LOVE to have one by Field Day! I'm a HUGE fan of FD and I've sold people on many a K3 at the FD's I've headed out to... This year I'm looking at getting a quick field deployable mast setup (http://www.blueskymast.com) and a K4KIO hex beam setup! Should be a blast... Here's hoping April or May brings the P3 (and I can get in the door early enough to get one by June)... Thanks for the show Eric! ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 21:02 -0800, Eric Swartz -WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: The display artifact that was visible when I adjust the marker is not something that will be present on the released P3. I had just loaded the latest engineering code into my unit for the show and it had a number of minor items like this that had just appeared in the last pass. We'll make sure they aren't there at release. (I haven't actually seen the video - I'm half awake flying home at 34,000 ft. Just hooked up to the in-flight wi-fi a few minutes ago.) The P3 code is well structured and is working amazingly well. I'm very happy with the speed of display and resolution. To be honest, I actually slowed -down- the sweep time to 40 ms per pass to make it look its best. (Its adjustable in the menu.) Its blindingly fast. I think I also may have had the signal averaging function turned on with an average of three passes per average when they took those shots. This is also far form our final code. We have a number of unique features coming that were not enabled for the show. (The P3 firmware is downloadable just like the K3..) I'll post more info later on this week after I get caught up from the trip. It will take several days as my mailbox is overflowing from four days on the road. 73, Eric WA6HHQ Brett Howard wrote: Ok well it looks like it works very nicely... Good resolution and fast refresh rates. I just hope that the screen blinking when you make adjustments is improved on a bit. It should be a little more dynamic than that and a little less seizure inducing... ;) But things like making the screen resize pretty are those final touches that you put on afterward. I just hope that the code is written in such a way to not make adding that too difficult... ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 16:47 -0800, Hector Padron wrote: Ok guys this is what you all were waiting, a close view of the P3 in action,thanks to my friend Julio AD4Z who was yesterday at Orlando hamfest with Eric from Elecraft now we have 11 close pictures and also three movies,two of them are short but there is one that is big in which one Eric explain detaily how the P3 works and you can see it receiving signals,for the ones who have high speed internet at home it will take about 20 minutes to download,others will have to wait more because the file has 267 MB,enjoy as I did as well,here is the link: http://www.ad4c.us/Elecraft%20K3/P3%20at%20Orlando%20hamfest%202010/ AD4C For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
The P3 will be available as a no solder kit like the K3 as well as an assembled unit. Alan N1AL On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 17:32 -0800, Phil Hystad wrote: Does anyone know if this is a kit (likely a simple kit?) or something that is all ready to be plugged in and used? 73, phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
You've got that bugger running fast! Good on ya! Now I just hope with all hope that I can get one in my hands before FD! ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 21:47 -0800, Alan Bloom wrote: The P3 will be available as a no solder kit like the K3 as well as an assembled unit. Alan N1AL On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 17:32 -0800, Phil Hystad wrote: Does anyone know if this is a kit (likely a simple kit?) or something that is all ready to be plugged in and used? 73, phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 17:18 -0800, Brett Howard wrote: I'm waiting for someone to take a VIDEO so that we can see the refresh rate of the thing Currently about 20 Hz (50 ms). But from the sounds of it it sounds like there are still a lot of optimizations that are going on to attempt to improve that refresh rate... There's room for further optimization, but frankly even 20 Hz is starting to get a little too fast IMHO. At some point the spectrum trace is changing so fast it starts to look fuzzy. Also a slower trace gives a longer history on the waterfall display. Alan N1AL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Mic adjustment - How not to do it. :)
Perhaps you could use the DVR (if you had it) to record your voice and then play it back... ~Brett On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 19:58 -0800, Bob - W0GI wrote: Well K3 number 3903 has been online for 12 days now. I bought it mostly for CW and digital, but a few days ago, I figured I should wire up a mic. So since I have a few Yaesu hand mics, I rewired the 8-pin plug for the K3. That worked fine, but setting the EQ has been a nightmare. Monitoring from the K3 headphone jack and the receive on the Mark-V sounded weird, like it was through DSP noise reduction. I tried other dynamic mics in the rear panel and still, just a strange hollow sound. Tonight, I decided to make an MP3 recording to send to Elecraft tomorrow, to see what is wrong with my otherwise perfect K3. Guess what, nothing is wrong? It sounds normal. Now I realize that there is a small delay as the audio is run through the ADC, DSP, then DAC. It is only a few milliseconds, but when the headphone audio is mixed with your actual voice through bone conduction to the eardrums, you have a weird audio effect that is not true to the actual sound. The EQ is also impossible to adjust properly. My on the air reports were not good, as I had way too much high end EQ set to counter the lows from bone conduction. So my conclusion is that the only way to do it right, is to transmit to a seperate receiver that is feeding audio into a soundcard. Record the audio, then play it back. This effect doesn't seem as significant with an analog (no delay) audio chain, but I bet I can get the Mark-V sounding better by recording reception of the Mark-V on the K3. Maybe I can get on the Elecraft SSB net next Sunday to see if this all works. :) Hope this makes some sense, and helps others with audio setup. 73 - Bob __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition
Dear Bob, Welcome to the club I answered you outside the Elecraft list about my mic settings and small trick learn when joined the Army in the early seventies. We are all surprised at the starting point because we have do to our own setup as the majority of parameters are adjustable and compare to other limousine rigs, the K3 is a Nascar rig where you must always adjust to get it best on any situation like on a race track where you can go beyond the limit if needed and this waked up my Ham spirit after decades using rigs where everything is on a plate...plug and play, no fun ! Bst 73's Philippe A65BI K3#3616 *Elecraft, by Hams, for Hams...What else ? Bob - W0GI b...@gotoloveland.com 15-02-2010 8:28 You joke about catching up with the K2. The Kenwood TS830s is a 30 year old radio that has performance thats better than the K2 in many areas. It is the case of the K2 catching up with the 30 year old TS830S! The TS-830S was/is a fine radio. It is a prime example of the error of adding general coverage to HF rigs. It was ham band only, and better then 80% of the current rigs. Receiver performance has gone down hill, just to add general coverage and a zillion buttons. Not the case with my old Ten-Tec Corsair or the Omni-V. I had a Paragon for a while, and it was ok, but not up to the ham band only rigs. What Elecraft did with the K2, is design a Ham HF rig for top performance on our bands. Single conversion like my old Corsair, that works very well. I hesitated to sell the Corsair and the Omni-V, as they are first class CW rigs, but the K3 is incredible. I don't miss them at all, other then for sentimental reasons. I needed K3 money, and they got sold. No matter what the future holds, we can thank Elecraft for putting a fire under those Japanese butts. Some of us want performance. Where they still don't get it, is they will continue to produce performance by price point. If you want top performance, you will also pay for buttons, knobs, and HD LCD screens, and pay top dollar. Yes, they can design radios that perform, but they won't perform until you pay $6000+. I have had my new K3 online for 12 days. It now has an LP-Pan, HRD, PowerSDR, and CW skimmer configured, and there is nothing for any price that can perform better. Maybe an IC-7800 doesn't need all the interface boxes and wires, but I like this setup, and it was 1/4 the price. I am so impressed with this setup, that I doubt I will even think about a new rig for a long, long time. I still like the Mark-V, but I have a feeling that it may be gone soon, as I get used to the K2 ergonomics. But the Mark-V is a good SWL radio. :) For now, I am finishing setup, and I am just going to work stations. A lot of stations, with a big smile on my face. 73 - Bob -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Competition-tp4571345p4572883.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation
The Agilent MXA's tout their speep speed... You can easily get them upwards of around 30 to 40+ sweeps/sec. ;) ~Brett On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 21:50 -0800, Alan Bloom wrote: On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 17:18 -0800, Brett Howard wrote: I'm waiting for someone to take a VIDEO so that we can see the refresh rate of the thing Currently about 20 Hz (50 ms). But from the sounds of it it sounds like there are still a lot of optimizations that are going on to attempt to improve that refresh rate... There's room for further optimization, but frankly even 20 Hz is starting to get a little too fast IMHO. At some point the spectrum trace is changing so fast it starts to look fuzzy. Also a slower trace gives a longer history on the waterfall display. Alan N1AL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3
On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 09:12 -0800, Richard Thorpe wrote: Could the P3 be offered without a screen? and I hope thats a RS 232 passthrough on the back in the Orlando pictures. Without a screen( small computer screens are dirt cheap) the P3 would be a better kit and cheaper, plus no screen vendor problems to hold up delivery. The plan is to make an optional VGA board at some point, although it won't be available at introduction. I suppose that would theoretically allow offering a no display option to save some cost. When I was working at HP (that became Agilent Technologies) there were a few instruments that were offered with no front panel. The idea was that much test equipment is used in automated test systems in factories where all instrument control and data output is via computer so that the front panel isn't needed. However it turned out not to be a very popular option. Having a working front panel is very handy for designing and programming a test system when it is first being set up. Even after the system is in operation, troubleshooting problems is much more difficult if the instrument does not have a front panel. I don't think we ever sold very many of that option. Alan N1AL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Mic adjustment - How not to do it. :)
Perhaps you could use the DVR (if you had it) to record your voice and then play it back... ~Brett . Recording into HRD audio grabber to the PC is working fine, but I do want to get a KDVR3, when I have the money to order one. The Yaesu hand mic is pretty bad. I put a dynamic mic into the rear, and it sounds pretty good, but I don't want a desk mic for the K3, so I am going to try a cheap condenser element in the Yaesu mic housing. I bet it will work great. I am a cheap SOB, but I am starting to think that I may order an AM filter, and setup ESSB (maybe 3K) for ragchew, and the 2.7 for a tighter pattern. It is nice to have options. :) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Mic-adjustment-How-not-to-do-it-tp4572806p4573114.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition
In reality I prefer the way Kenwood does things. The Kenwood TS480HX is a good example of this. Well researched, well designed and well built. Turning out radios like Icom does full of bugs and component failure is certainly not very professional. And who says the TS-480 is without serious bugs? Start with the microphone connector ... Kenwood have reversed the PTT and mic audio grounds. Such a reversal guarantees hum and RFI problems if an external device (e.g., soundcard, audio processor, equalizer, etc.) is connected to the mic input. Kenwood is very aware of the issue - it is even documented in the service manual. However, production units have not been fixed, the user's manual does not have a corrected mic jack documentation and the hand microphones have not been changed to correspond to the actual wiring of the mic jack. This problem has existed without public acknowledgement or fix for almost as long as the Toyota accelerator problem. On the other hand, Elecraft acknowledged and fixed the pin 1 problem on their microphones within weeks of its identification and confirmation. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of juergen Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:47 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Competition I would not be so dismissive of the competition. The emotional value of the Kenwood name in ham radio is well known. The Kenwood name is still hugely popular. Who does not comment about kenwood audio quality You joke about catching up with the K2. The Kenwood TS830s is a 30 year old radio that has performance thats better than the K2 in many areas. It is the case of the K2 catching up with the 30 year old TS830S! I would suggest that if Kenwood released a updated version of the TS950SDX or Kenwood TS870S model radios it would be a top seller. This would be especially so if the performance matched the K3. Just try buying any one of these models in good condition, good luck! The TS870S was radio that was many years ahead of its time. It introduced concepts that we take for granted today. Many of these concepts that we take for granted were pioneered by Kenwood in the TS870S. Just because Kenwood is not releasing numerous models of transceiver does not mean its not interested in the ham radio market. The board of Kenwood Japan still has a few hams on it including that of the founding family. It has been said in numerous places that the ham division of kenwood was not closed had it not been for these ham board members who had an emotional attachment with this hobby and its role in the companies history. Kenwood could release a new model transceiver every month if it wanted to do that. Its in-house engineering and development department is much bigger than Yaesu or Icoms. Most of the engineers at Icom and Vertex got most of their training at Kenwood. Alinco is a company that is very good at poaching Kenwood Engineers and designing the same products with their name on it. In reality I prefer the way Kenwood does things. The Kenwood TS480HX is a good example of this. Well researched, well designed and well built. Turning out radios like Icom does full of bugs and component failure is certainly not very professional. I am sure if Kenwood designed the IC7700 it would not have PA device failure, or static problems when you touched the radio. There is 2 rumors going around. The first is that Kenwood is designing a direct sampling super HF transceiver. This rumor comes from a good source who indicates that the radio was being developed for the Japanese services. This came about because of Kenwoods links with JRC who have essentially closed down their HF radio manufacturing division. The second rumour is that Kenwood is also designing a K3 like radio. This makes good sense because this is what market wants. The last thing we need is a another 70mhz IF radio with below average performance. All of these long debates we have been having about receiver and transmitter performance is only going to result in better products for us all. The only losers in this debate are the manufacturers who cant deliver performance. Those who insist on charge ridiculous prices for sub-standard products that dont meet the needs of the market will suffer. You can only rely on a color screen, a big box and 20,000 knobs for so long before the customers wake up and realize its just hot air and will ask for better performance. We know that the better performance cant be delivered with the up conversion architecture, so dont be surprised if there is a 9mhz IF radio with a huge color screen some time soon! If Elecraft wants to keep its market share it cant just rest on its receiver laurels
Re: [Elecraft] P3
We buy a few of the headless pieces of equipment... But usually the price delta isn't great enough to warrant inconvenience. ~Brett On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 22:02 -0800, Alan Bloom wrote: On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 09:12 -0800, Richard Thorpe wrote: Could the P3 be offered without a screen? and I hope thats a RS 232 passthrough on the back in the Orlando pictures. Without a screen( small computer screens are dirt cheap) the P3 would be a better kit and cheaper, plus no screen vendor problems to hold up delivery. The plan is to make an optional VGA board at some point, although it won't be available at introduction. I suppose that would theoretically allow offering a no display option to save some cost. When I was working at HP (that became Agilent Technologies) there were a few instruments that were offered with no front panel. The idea was that much test equipment is used in automated test systems in factories where all instrument control and data output is via computer so that the front panel isn't needed. However it turned out not to be a very popular option. Having a working front panel is very handy for designing and programming a test system when it is first being set up. Even after the system is in operation, troubleshooting problems is much more difficult if the instrument does not have a front panel. I don't think we ever sold very many of that option. Alan N1AL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 Photo taken at Orlando
I've been reading all thess requests about Panadaptors,not really knowing what they are.. but guessed of course. Now All is revealed; But personally I cant see much use for one, I tune the radio across the band and listen for signals as I always have done!! Seriously it probably would be a nice toy to have, but all I want is my K3 to work properly - Oh dear I seem to get all the problems being one of their most distant customers. 73 David - in Antipodean backwaters. On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Jack Colson jcols...@tampabay.rr.comwrote: I have a good photo of the P3 taken early this morning but have no site to post. I will be glad to forward it to someone who can post it to a link for all to see. Eric was quite familiar with the buttons and knobs. 73 Jack, W3TMZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
