Re: [Elecraft] K2/100 Has No Output on 80 or 40 When Hot

2010-06-04 Thread Don Wilhelm
Phil,

Good sleuthing.  Given the information I had, I would not have suspected 
K15, but then what do I know!, you measurements are better than my ideas.

73,
Don W3FPR

Phil-W6TQG wrote:
 Hi Don,

 Thank you for your help and information! K15 was the offender - when
 hot, pins 3 to 4 and also 7 to 8 stay connected after changing the band
 from 20m down to 40 or 80. This cuts off the path through K14 and K13 to
 C71 and C72.

 73,
 Phil W6TQG

   

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 73, Issue 37- which headphones for CW work

2010-06-04 Thread JONES, George
I recall reversing the phase of one head phone, with respect to the other, in a 
high-impedance head-set of 1960s' vintage.
I incorporated a switch into the wiring to achieve apparent CW signal 
separation under some conditions.

It worked surprisingly well. I have tried the same thing with more modern 
phones but with less
effect. If I find another pair of S G Brown type F phones or similar,  I will 
do it again.

73 George,  G4TPV




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Today's Topics:

   1. K3 Headphones (Doug Turnbull)
   2. Re: ELECRAFT TO TOKYO HY-POWER 2.5 (Phil  Debbie Salas)
   3. Re: K3 Was - Which headphones for stereo cw work? Now - Audio
  Spread Spectrum (Jim Campbell)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:32:40 +0100
From: Doug Turnbull turnb...@net1.ie
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Headphones
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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Sam,

When this topic was previously discussed I saw mention of Extreme
Isolation EX 29 headphones which provide:

1) Good noise suppression (29 dB or nearly a factor of 1000 at 1000 Hz) so
you can keep the volume down and not hear your station's fans or the TV in
the next room.

2) Comfort and an adjustable padded headband.

3) Exact impedance match for the K3 at 32 Ohms and hence plenty of volume
from the K3. 

4) They are California made and cost $99. 

5) Stereo headphones with built in adapter for the larger phone plug jack
used on the K3 front panel.   The adapter plugs in and then screws home over
the smaller stereo plug attached permanently to the phones.   The plugs
appear to have gold plating, which is a complete waste.
6) They come with a nine foot line cord which I just wrapped around a
toroidal core even though I was not experiencing problems with noise.   They
are also available with a 40 inch long cord.

I purchased a set and am most pleased with them.

 

 

 You can look the Extreme Isolation EX-29 Headphones up on Google or go
to http://www.quietheadphones.com/product/ex-29 and order by post for $99.
These headphones are made for musicians to use in groups but I think they
are missing another market.

 

 I also have the Heil Proset Plus but prefer these cans for CW work.
Both sets of phones have their advantages but for CW the Extreme Isolation
phones are more to my liking.   The EX 29 will be clamped to my ears this
weekend for CQ WPX.

 

   73 Doug EI2CN

 

PS EI5DI wrote an article for the NCJ some time back on the subject of
headphones.   He prefers Sony MDR EX71SL ear buds because cans bother his
ears when he is wearing glasses.   I also wear spectacles but mine have a
thin wire frames and are comfortable with headphones.



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Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:55:54 -0500
From: Phil  Debbie Salas dpsa...@tx.rr.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT TO TOKYO HY-POWER 2.5
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The THP2.5 uses a regular 15-pin D-connector, whereas the K3 uses the 15-pin 
HD D-connector.  Nothing special needs to be done, other than finding the 
pin outs from the manuals.  The THP 2.5 even has pull-up resistors so early 
K3 radios will drive the band data input just fine (NOT the case with the 
THP 1.5, where you need the K3 pull-up mod).  If you plan on using ALC, you 
do need the K3 negative-going ALC mod if you have an early K3.

Phil - AD5X 



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Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:50:03 -0400
From: Jim Campbell j...@w4bqp.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Was - Which headphones for stereo cw work?
Now - Audio Spread Spectrum
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This thread reminded me of something that I read back in I believe the 
'80s. There was a circuit in which the CW audio was spread spatially, 
i.e., the lower frequencies were heard toward your left side while the 
higher frequencies were heard toward the right. The idea was that 

Re: [Elecraft] K3 with Heil HC-5

2010-06-04 Thread Stewart
Same here.
HC-5, Mic Gain 22, Comp 24 then tweak TX eq to suit voice.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:49:12 + (GMT), John Lawrence wrote:
 I've settled down on the HC-5 as the best sounding SSB TX audio. 
It was after spending the time to determine that this was the 
right answer for the K3.

 The TX equalizer should be tailored based on your own voice to 
give it the best fidelity. Because of my great audio, I get asked 
what mic I'm using on many occasions. Mic Gain setting:19 
Compression setting: 24

 Good luck

 73,

 John, W!QS
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 with Heil HC-5

2010-06-04 Thread Jan Erik Holm
If I would set mic gain to 22 with my HC5 I would overmodulate.
In my case gain 12 and comp 25 is just fine, however it might
differ with how one sets the TX EQ. With this setting I get
full PEP power.

/ Jim SM2EKM
--
On 2010-06-04 10:28, Stewart wrote:
 Same here.
 HC-5, Mic Gain 22, Comp 24 then tweak TX eq to suit voice.

 73
 Stewart G3RXQ
 On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:49:12 + (GMT), John Lawrence wrote:
 I've settled down on the HC-5 as the best sounding SSB TX audio.
 It was after spending the time to determine that this was the
 right answer for the K3.

 The TX equalizer should be tailored based on your own voice to
 give it the best fidelity. Because of my great audio, I get asked
 what mic I'm using on many occasions. Mic Gain setting:19
 Compression setting: 24

 Good luck

 73,

 John, W!QS
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Re: [Elecraft] frequency variation in K2

2010-06-04 Thread Bill Coleman

On Jun 1, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Jeffrey D Travers wrote:

 If I turn on the K2, change the frequency, run the ATU and begin to 
 transmit, the K2 will revert back to the earlier frequency.  I haven't 
 been able to discern a meaningful pattern and it always occurs when I 
 am not watching readout!  :)
 
 Has anyone experienced this?  If yes and you found a solution please 
 advise.

Sounds like the K2 may be resetting to power-on startup. I see this 
occasionally if the RF in the shack is very high.

You also might check that your power supply voltage isn't dipping too low on 
transmit.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 with Heil HC-5

2010-06-04 Thread Ignacy

l liked HC5 because it did not need any equalization (except during contest)
and had low noise pickup.
Mic gain about 17. Comp set to 15-20 during causal QSO, 24 when DXing or
poor propagation, and 28-30 when contesting or in pileup.
Ignacy, NO9E  
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[Elecraft] K3 filter display size

2010-06-04 Thread Mike
The truncated pyramid icon that displays a filter's width only has 2 
sizes, a wide one (11 'segments') for my 2.8 and a narrower (7 
'segments') for both the 400 and 250 filters. Is that the way it's 
supposed to be? The wording on the xfil display is getting too small for 
these eyes.

73, Mike NF4L

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Re: [Elecraft] frequency variation in K2

2010-06-04 Thread NQ3RP

Jeff -

I had a similar problem on one of my older K2s.  It would jump frequency
when I started to transmit.  I pulled the Control CPU, cleaned the socket
and reinserted making sure all the pins made contact.  What you are
describing sounds like either a bent pint not making good contact or
corrosion.  Wouldn't hurt removing it, would it?  Might fix it.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter display size

2010-06-04 Thread Don Wilhelm
Mike,

That truncated pyramid should change as you move the HI/LO CUT or 
SHIFT/WIDTH knobs.  In other words, it should respond to changes in the 
DSP filter controls.  Set the K3 to SSB and if the HI/LO indicators are 
not illuminated, push one of the two buttons in - then turn the HI CUT 
knob counterclockwise.  The segments to the right should drop off as you 
rotate the knob.

Then switch to the SHIFT/WIDTH display - rotate the shift knob and the 
display should move left to right (no change in width), and rotate the 
WIDTH knob to change the width - when you go counterclockwise, it should 
go down to 50 Hz and the number of bars will be only two.

Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still give a 
good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

73,
Don W3FPR

Mike wrote:
 The truncated pyramid icon that displays a filter's width only has 2 
 sizes, a wide one (11 'segments') for my 2.8 and a narrower (7 
 'segments') for both the 400 and 250 filters. Is that the way it's 
 supposed to be? The wording on the xfil display is getting too small for 
 these eyes.

   
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 with Heil HC-5

2010-06-04 Thread Stewart
Maybe I'm loosing my voice as well as my memory with age...

Stewart G3RXQ
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:40:03 +0200, Jan Erik Holm wrote:
 If I would set mic gain to 22 with my HC5 I would overmodulate.
 In my case gain 12 and comp 25 is just fine, however it might
 differ with how one sets the TX EQ. With this setting I get
 full PEP power.

 / Jim SM2EKM
 --
 On 2010-06-04 10:28, Stewart wrote:
 Same here.
 HC-5, Mic Gain 22, Comp 24 then tweak TX eq to suit voice.

 73
 Stewart G3RXQ
 On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:49:12 + (GMT), John Lawrence wrote:
 I've settled down on the HC-5 as the best sounding SSB TX 
audio.
 It was after spending the time to determine that this was the
 right answer for the K3.

 The TX equalizer should be tailored based on your own voice to
 give it the best fidelity. Because of my great audio, I get 
asked
 what mic I'm using on many occasions. Mic Gain setting:19
 Compression setting: 24

 Good luck

 73,

 John, W!QS
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[Elecraft] Re: Re: XV50 cooling

2010-06-04 Thread Johnny Siu
Hello Eric,

XV144 is basically the same structure as XV50.  I have both XV50 and Xv144.

cheers,

Johnny VR2XMC



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主題: Re: Re: [Elecraft] XV50 cooling

Don, some other considerations:

1). What about the other components inside the XV?  If the power module is 
happy running at 100C what does that do for everything else in the XV running 
at 60-70C with no airflow?

2). My ambient temp in the shack during EME is 80F even with the house A/C 
running due to the tube PA.

3). Does the XV144 run at the same efficiency (waste heat output) as the XV50?

Thanks for your assistance. I look forward to your measurements. 

73

Eric WD6DBM 

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On Jun 3, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Don Wilhelm d...@w3fpr.com wrote:

Johnny,

Prior to testing, I have reviewed the datasheet for the RA30H0608M module that 
is used in the XV50.  The power module is specified to operate within spec at 
110 degrees C ( 230 deg F).  While that is too hot to touch (in excess of 
boiling water temperatures), it is well within the device specifications.  SNIP


  

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[Elecraft] K3 Mods

2010-06-04 Thread John E. Reiser
Hello everyone,

The problems I was having with my K3, no output in data modes and no KEY OUT, 
were caused by myself.  I had the plugs in the wrong jacks.

My face is beet red at the moment.  Happily, the K3 survived the rough 
treatment, and everything is working fine now.

Many thanks and 73,

John, W2GW

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter display size

2010-06-04 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Don,

  Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still
  give a good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

The problem is that there is no change between 500/400 Hz or between
250/200 Hz.  That means it is not possible to determine if a 400 Hz
or 200 Hz filter are selected only from the filter width display.
In the case where the FLn icons are too small to be read with one's
distance lenses and the radio is too far away for the reading lenses
the filter width display should be an important clue to the selected
filter.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 6/4/2010 10:00 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Mike,

 That truncated pyramid should change as you move the HI/LO CUT or
 SHIFT/WIDTH knobs.  In other words, it should respond to changes in the
 DSP filter controls.  Set the K3 to SSB and if the HI/LO indicators are
 not illuminated, push one of the two buttons in - then turn the HI CUT
 knob counterclockwise.  The segments to the right should drop off as you
 rotate the knob.

 Then switch to the SHIFT/WIDTH display - rotate the shift knob and the
 display should move left to right (no change in width), and rotate the
 WIDTH knob to change the width - when you go counterclockwise, it should
 go down to 50 Hz and the number of bars will be only two.

 Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still give a
 good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 Mike wrote:
 The truncated pyramid icon that displays a filter's width only has 2
 sizes, a wide one (11 'segments') for my 2.8 and a narrower (7
 'segments') for both the 400 and 250 filters. Is that the way it's
 supposed to be? The wording on the xfil display is getting too small for
 these eyes.


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Re: [Elecraft] K2/100 Has No Output on 80 or 40 When Hot

2010-06-04 Thread Phil-W6TQG
Hi Don,

Your ideas and information got me there. I checked K15 to make sure I
understood the relay table and it happened to be in the wrong position.

73,
Phil W6TQG


On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 Phil,

 Good sleuthing.  Given the information I had, I would not have suspected
 K15, but then what do I know!, you measurements are better than my ideas.


 73,
 Don W3FPR

 Phil-W6TQG wrote:

 Hi Don,

 Thank you for your help and information! K15 was the offender - when
 hot, pins 3 to 4 and also 7 to 8 stay connected after changing the band
 from 20m down to 40 or 80. This cuts off the path through K14 and K13 to
 C71 and C72.

 73,
 Phil W6TQG




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter display size

2010-06-04 Thread Lyle Johnson
The filter grphic is intended to provide relative informtion only, not 
definitive information.

Roofing filters of 200, 250, 400, 500, 1000, 1500, 1800, 2100, 2700, 
2800, 6000 and 13000 Hz are available for the K3.   If/when the variable 
roofing filters are available, the number of potential choices will be 
even greater.  This far exceeds the ability of the graphic to convey, 
especially when shift is taken into account.

In the end, I think, one uses one's ears (or communications program) and 
adjusts the controls for best copy. The radio will sort out which 
available roofing to use based on how you adjust things.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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[Elecraft] W.T.B. EA3BLQ's K2DI VII or VIII PSK interface

2010-06-04 Thread NQ3RP

I'm looking to use my K2 on PSK 31 and want to buy Pauli Nunez's  [EA3BLQ
(SK)] PCBs used for interfacing the K2 to a PC.  It can be either his old
version (K2DI V.II) or the new one (K2DI V. III).  If you have one you
haven't built or one you have but no longer need or want it, please contact
me, thank you.


John
NQ3RP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware V3.99 (sub/split problem)

2010-06-04 Thread Wayne Burdick
I'm working on this and other K3 rev 3.99 issues. I hope to have a new  
release soon.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 with Heil HC-5

2010-06-04 Thread Tom W8JI
Isn't there a high and low gain setting, besides just the 
numerical gain??
:-)


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From: Stewart stew...@baker.nildram.co.uk
To: Jan Erik Holm sm2...@telia.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 with Heil HC-5


 Maybe I'm loosing my voice as well as my memory with 
 age...

 Stewart G3RXQ
 On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:40:03 +0200, Jan Erik Holm wrote:
 If I would set mic gain to 22 with my HC5 I would 
 overmodulate.
 In my case gain 12 and comp 25 is just fine, however it 
 might
 differ with how one sets the TX EQ. With this setting I 
 get
 full PEP power.

 / Jim SM2EKM
 --
 On 2010-06-04 10:28, Stewart wrote:
 Same here.
 HC-5, Mic Gain 22, Comp 24 then tweak TX eq to suit 
 voice.

 73
 Stewart G3RXQ
 On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:49:12 + (GMT), John Lawrence 
 wrote:
 I've settled down on the HC-5 as the best sounding SSB 
 TX
 audio.
 It was after spending the time to determine that this 
 was the
 right answer for the K3.

 The TX equalizer should be tailored based on your own 
 voice to
 give it the best fidelity. Because of my great audio, I 
 get
 asked
 what mic I'm using on many occasions. Mic Gain 
 setting:19
 Compression setting: 24

 Good luck

 73,

 John, W!QS
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 with Heil HC-5

2010-06-04 Thread Gregory Fischer
Yes
With mic sel displayed tap 1 to toggle between hi and low.

Enjoying breakfast on the way to seapac. :)

73
Greg


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 4, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com wrote:

 Isn't there a high and low gain setting, besides just the
 numerical gain??
 :-)


 - Original Message -
 From: Stewart stew...@baker.nildram.co.uk
 To: Jan Erik Holm sm2...@telia.com
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 10:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 with Heil HC-5


 Maybe I'm loosing my voice as well as my memory with
 age...

 Stewart G3RXQ
 On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:40:03 +0200, Jan Erik Holm wrote:
 If I would set mic gain to 22 with my HC5 I would
 overmodulate.
 In my case gain 12 and comp 25 is just fine, however it
 might
 differ with how one sets the TX EQ. With this setting I
 get
 full PEP power.

 / Jim SM2EKM
 --
 On 2010-06-04 10:28, Stewart wrote:
 Same here.
 HC-5, Mic Gain 22, Comp 24 then tweak TX eq to suit
 voice.

 73
 Stewart G3RXQ
 On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:49:12 + (GMT), John Lawrence
 wrote:
 I've settled down on the HC-5 as the best sounding SSB
 TX
 audio.
 It was after spending the time to determine that this
 was the
 right answer for the K3.

 The TX equalizer should be tailored based on your own
 voice to
 give it the best fidelity. Because of my great audio, I
 get
 asked
 what mic I'm using on many occasions. Mic Gain
 setting:19
 Compression setting: 24

 Good luck

 73,

 John, W!QS
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter display size

2010-06-04 Thread Mike
Thanks, Don.
Yes the graphic can get quite narrow and move around when using the 
controls as you state, but that wasn't my question. ;-)

73, Mike

Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Mike,

 That truncated pyramid should change as you move the HI/LO CUT or 
 SHIFT/WIDTH knobs.  In other words, it should respond to changes in 
 the DSP filter controls.  Set the K3 to SSB and if the HI/LO 
 indicators are not illuminated, push one of the two buttons in - then 
 turn the HI CUT knob counterclockwise.  The segments to the right 
 should drop off as you rotate the knob.

 Then switch to the SHIFT/WIDTH display - rotate the shift knob and the 
 display should move left to right (no change in width), and rotate the 
 WIDTH knob to change the width - when you go counterclockwise, it 
 should go down to 50 Hz and the number of bars will be only two.

 Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still give 
 a good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 Mike wrote:
 The truncated pyramid icon that displays a filter's width only has 2 
 sizes, a wide one (11 'segments') for my 2.8 and a narrower (7 
 'segments') for both the 400 and 250 filters. Is that the way it's 
 supposed to be? The wording on the xfil display is getting too small 
 for these eyes.

   



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[Elecraft] Looking for some K3 Items

2010-06-04 Thread Larry Boekeloo
Here's what I am looking for for my Elecraft K3:
KAT3 Internal ATU
KBPF3 General Coverage
KDVR3 Digital Voice Recorder
KFL3A-250 250 Hz Narrow 8-pole filter
and maybe
KRX3 - Sub Receiver
Any of these floating around out there?
Thanks 
 
Larry, KN8N
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter display size

2010-06-04 Thread Mike
Bingo! You got it in one. I have glasses ground for my computer 
distance, but it would be nice to use the larger graphic.

73, Mike

Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
 Don,

   Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still
   give a good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

 The problem is that there is no change between 500/400 Hz or between
 250/200 Hz.  That means it is not possible to determine if a 400 Hz
 or 200 Hz filter are selected only from the filter width display.
 In the case where the FLn icons are too small to be read with one's
 distance lenses and the radio is too far away for the reading lenses
 the filter width display should be an important clue to the selected
 filter.

 73,

 ... Joe, W4TV

 On 6/4/2010 10:00 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
   
 Mike,

 That truncated pyramid should change as you move the HI/LO CUT or
 SHIFT/WIDTH knobs.  In other words, it should respond to changes in the
 DSP filter controls.  Set the K3 to SSB and if the HI/LO indicators are
 not illuminated, push one of the two buttons in - then turn the HI CUT
 knob counterclockwise.  The segments to the right should drop off as you
 rotate the knob.

 Then switch to the SHIFT/WIDTH display - rotate the shift knob and the
 display should move left to right (no change in width), and rotate the
 WIDTH knob to change the width - when you go counterclockwise, it should
 go down to 50 Hz and the number of bars will be only two.

 Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still give a
 good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 Mike wrote:
 
 The truncated pyramid icon that displays a filter's width only has 2
 sizes, a wide one (11 'segments') for my 2.8 and a narrower (7
 'segments') for both the 400 and 250 filters. Is that the way it's
 supposed to be? The wording on the xfil display is getting too small for
 these eyes.

   


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter display size

2010-06-04 Thread Mike
H I dunno what happened here. My reply to Joe shows up under 
Lyle's post, and my response to Lyle doesn't show at all. I checked the 
address lines on the posts in my 'Sent' box and all three have the 
individual's name and Elecraft.

Did you get it Lyle?

73, Mike NF4L


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter display size

2010-06-04 Thread Mike
Thanks Lyle.
In that case maybe it shouldn't change at all in response to filter 
selection. OTOH, 250 is relatively narrower than 400, and the graphic IS 
able to be shown relatively small..

First I've heard of variable roofing filters. What will the XFIL display 
show if/when that's implemented?

Ears are going too, but I agree one adjusts what controls one has to get 
the best copy, I'd just like to know what that is. Necessary? No. Useful 
to me? Yes.
I'll look into the programmers manual and see if I can incorporate 
something into my logging program.

73, Mike

Lyle Johnson wrote:
 The filter grphic is intended to provide relative informtion only, not 
 definitive information.

 Roofing filters of 200, 250, 400, 500, 1000, 1500, 1800, 2100, 2700, 
 2800, 6000 and 13000 Hz are available for the K3.   If/when the variable 
 roofing filters are available, the number of potential choices will be 
 even greater.  This far exceeds the ability of the graphic to convey, 
 especially when shift is taken into account.

 In the end, I think, one uses one's ears (or communications program) and 
 adjusts the controls for best copy. The radio will sort out which 
 available roofing to use based on how you adjust things.

 73,

 Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter display size

2010-06-04 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I think the problem may be the perception that the size of the width
indicators on the display is infinitely variable. Those appear to be
individual designed segments, as are the letter segments.  It is not
an LCD screen with all images made from a graphics processor
generating pixel-based images, which could be varied to anything in
software.

One can see all the segments and everything that can be shown on the
display by tapping MENU, turning VFO B to LCD ADJ, and turning VFO A
counter-clockwise until all the segments light up.  Displaying
anything else would seem to involve replacing the display and the code
that drives it.

Elecraft would have to comment as to the facts of that choice, though
I would speculate that there is cost, coding complexity, space,
possibly internal noise considerations, and that keeping dedicated
segments updated occupies far less processor time and code than
graphics generation for an LCD, and they have chosen to concentrate
that power on signal processing.

73, Guy.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Mike n...@nf4l.com wrote:
 H I dunno what happened here. My reply to Joe shows up under
 Lyle's post, and my response to Lyle doesn't show at all. I checked the
 address lines on the posts in my 'Sent' box and all three have the
 individual's name and Elecraft.

 Did you get it Lyle?

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Re: [Elecraft] Looking for some K3 Items

2010-06-04 Thread Grant Youngman
I hear some people at  http://www.elecraft.com have a bunch of these items  :-)

Grant/NQ5T


On Jun 4, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Larry Boekeloo wrote:

 Here's what I am looking for for my Elecraft K3:
 KAT3 Internal ATU
 KBPF3 General Coverage
 KDVR3 Digital Voice Recorder
 KFL3A-250 250 Hz Narrow 8-pole filter
 and maybe
 KRX3 - Sub Receiver
 Any of these floating around out there?
 Thanks 
  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter display size

2010-06-04 Thread Mike K2MK

Hi Joe:

Here's a low tech solution: trifocals. I sit about 28 from my computer
screen and about the same from the K3. The middle range of my trifocals is
perfect. Same problem and solution for the speedometer on the car's
dashboard.

73,
Mike K2MK





Don,

  Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still
  give a good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

The problem is that there is no change between 500/400 Hz or between
250/200 Hz.  That means it is not possible to determine if a 400 Hz
or 200 Hz filter are selected only from the filter width display.
In the case where the FLn icons are too small to be read with one's
distance lenses and the radio is too far away for the reading lenses
the filter width display should be an important clue to the selected
filter.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 6/4/2010 10:00 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Mike,

 That truncated pyramid should change as you move the HI/LO CUT or
 SHIFT/WIDTH knobs.  In other words, it should respond to changes in the
 DSP filter controls.  Set the K3 to SSB and if the HI/LO indicators are
 not illuminated, push one of the two buttons in - then turn the HI CUT
 knob counterclockwise.  The segments to the right should drop off as you
 rotate the knob.

 Then switch to the SHIFT/WIDTH display - rotate the shift knob and the
 display should move left to right (no change in width), and rotate the
 WIDTH knob to change the width - when you go counterclockwise, it should
 go down to 50 Hz and the number of bars will be only two.

 Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still give a
 good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 Mike wrote:
 The truncated pyramid icon that displays a filter's width only has 2
 sizes, a wide one (11 'segments') for my 2.8 and a narrower (7
 'segments') for both the 400 and 250 filters. Is that the way it's
 supposed to be? The wording on the xfil display is getting too small for
 these eyes.

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[Elecraft] K3 Display and Eye Glasses for OTs only

2010-06-04 Thread Doug Turnbull
Mike,
Another solution is to have a pair of glasses for radio use.   I have
set of bifocals which are used for computer and radio with roughly a thirty
inch focal length and reading at roughly fourteen inches.   I find them very
convenient in the radio shack.
 73 Doug EI2CN
PS What have we come to talking this way.

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike K2MK
Sent: 04 June 2010 19:50
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter display size


Hi Joe:

Here's a low tech solution: trifocals. I sit about 28 from my computer
screen and about the same from the K3. The middle range of my trifocals is
perfect. Same problem and solution for the speedometer on the car's
dashboard.

73,
Mike K2MK





Don,

  Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still
  give a good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

The problem is that there is no change between 500/400 Hz or between
250/200 Hz.  That means it is not possible to determine if a 400 Hz
or 200 Hz filter are selected only from the filter width display.
In the case where the FLn icons are too small to be read with one's
distance lenses and the radio is too far away for the reading lenses
the filter width display should be an important clue to the selected
filter.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 6/4/2010 10:00 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Mike,

 That truncated pyramid should change as you move the HI/LO CUT or
 SHIFT/WIDTH knobs.  In other words, it should respond to changes in the
 DSP filter controls.  Set the K3 to SSB and if the HI/LO indicators are
 not illuminated, push one of the two buttons in - then turn the HI CUT
 knob counterclockwise.  The segments to the right should drop off as you
 rotate the knob.

 Then switch to the SHIFT/WIDTH display - rotate the shift knob and the
 display should move left to right (no change in width), and rotate the
 WIDTH knob to change the width - when you go counterclockwise, it should
 go down to 50 Hz and the number of bars will be only two.

 Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still give a
 good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 Mike wrote:
 The truncated pyramid icon that displays a filter's width only has 2
 sizes, a wide one (11 'segments') for my 2.8 and a narrower (7
 'segments') for both the 400 and 250 filters. Is that the way it's
 supposed to be? The wording on the xfil display is getting too small for
 these eyes.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display and Eye Glasses for OTs only

2010-06-04 Thread Brendan Minish
I am short sighted and my near vision is still quite good however I use
a set of thin 'dollar store' +2 reading glasses when I do SMT work on my
bench, these go over my normal glasses and give me some binocular
magnification for doing fine (re)work. Choose the magnification factor
in the shop such that you can still focus at your normal working
distance and get thin ones so that you can look over the top of them for
looking at stuff further away (like the scope, PC etc) 

Much cheaper than an optivisor and a big help at the bench 

73
Brendan EI6IZ 


On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 20:11 +0100, Doug Turnbull wrote:
 Mike,
 Another solution is to have a pair of glasses for radio use.   I have
 set of bifocals which are used for computer and radio with roughly a thirty
 inch focal length and reading at roughly fourteen inches.   I find them very
 convenient in the radio shack.
  73 Doug EI2CN
 PS What have we come to talking this way.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike K2MK
 Sent: 04 June 2010 19:50
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter display size
 
 
 Hi Joe:
 
 Here's a low tech solution: trifocals. I sit about 28 from my computer
 screen and about the same from the K3. The middle range of my trifocals is
 perfect. Same problem and solution for the speedometer on the car's
 dashboard.
 
 73,
 Mike K2MK
 
 
 
 
 
 Don,
 
   Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still
   give a good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum
 
 The problem is that there is no change between 500/400 Hz or between
 250/200 Hz.  That means it is not possible to determine if a 400 Hz
 or 200 Hz filter are selected only from the filter width display.
 In the case where the FLn icons are too small to be read with one's
 distance lenses and the radio is too far away for the reading lenses
 the filter width display should be an important clue to the selected
 filter.
 
 73,
 
 ... Joe, W4TV
 
 On 6/4/2010 10:00 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
  Mike,
 
  That truncated pyramid should change as you move the HI/LO CUT or
  SHIFT/WIDTH knobs.  In other words, it should respond to changes in the
  DSP filter controls.  Set the K3 to SSB and if the HI/LO indicators are
  not illuminated, push one of the two buttons in - then turn the HI CUT
  knob counterclockwise.  The segments to the right should drop off as you
  rotate the knob.
 
  Then switch to the SHIFT/WIDTH display - rotate the shift knob and the
  display should move left to right (no change in width), and rotate the
  WIDTH knob to change the width - when you go counterclockwise, it should
  go down to 50 Hz and the number of bars will be only two.
 
  Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still give a
  good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum
 
  73,
  Don W3FPR
 
  Mike wrote:
  The truncated pyramid icon that displays a filter's width only has 2
  sizes, a wide one (11 'segments') for my 2.8 and a narrower (7
  'segments') for both the 400 and 250 filters. Is that the way it's
  supposed to be? The wording on the xfil display is getting too small for
  these eyes.
 

-- 
73
Brendan EI6IZ 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter display size

2010-06-04 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Mike,

My (executive) bifocals are normally fine for computer work
and the radio - as well as bench work - at 24 to 36 inches
as well as reading at 12 to 18 and reading the dash of the
car.  However, the size of the FLx and similar icons is a
bit too small to read at the outer edge of the range.

I purposely had the line set at the normal trifocal height
to provide maximum field of view specifically for use with
the computer/radio/bench.

Note the speedometer of most automobiles is just a bit larger
than FLx in the K3.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 6/4/2010 2:49 PM, Mike K2MK wrote:

 Hi Joe:

 Here's a low tech solution: trifocals. I sit about 28 from my computer
 screen and about the same from the K3. The middle range of my trifocals is
 perfect. Same problem and solution for the speedometer on the car's
 dashboard.

 73,
 Mike K2MK





 Don,

 Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still
 give a good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

 The problem is that there is no change between 500/400 Hz or between
 250/200 Hz.  That means it is not possible to determine if a 400 Hz
 or 200 Hz filter are selected only from the filter width display.
 In the case where the FLn icons are too small to be read with one's
 distance lenses and the radio is too far away for the reading lenses
 the filter width display should be an important clue to the selected
 filter.

 73,

  ... Joe, W4TV

 On 6/4/2010 10:00 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Mike,

 That truncated pyramid should change as you move the HI/LO CUT or
 SHIFT/WIDTH knobs.  In other words, it should respond to changes in the
 DSP filter controls.  Set the K3 to SSB and if the HI/LO indicators are
 not illuminated, push one of the two buttons in - then turn the HI CUT
 knob counterclockwise.  The segments to the right should drop off as you
 rotate the knob.

 Then switch to the SHIFT/WIDTH display - rotate the shift knob and the
 display should move left to right (no change in width), and rotate the
 WIDTH knob to change the width - when you go counterclockwise, it should
 go down to 50 Hz and the number of bars will be only two.

 Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still give a
 good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 Mike wrote:
 The truncated pyramid icon that displays a filter's width only has 2
 sizes, a wide one (11 'segments') for my 2.8 and a narrower (7
 'segments') for both the 400 and 250 filters. Is that the way it's
 supposed to be? The wording on the xfil display is getting too small for
 these eyes.

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[Elecraft] KX1 w/ options for sale

2010-06-04 Thread Luke Aurich
I have a fully built Elecraft KX1 for sale. Comes with KXAT1 auto-tuner, 
KXB30/80 module, KXPD1 paddle, and waterproof Pelican case. Has the new 
firmware installed, will also include the old firmware. Operates flawlessly, 
well cared for in smoke-free enviroment.

$475 shipped and insured anywhere in the 50 states. Will trade for a Yaesu 
FT-857D.

Thanks!

Luke 
KD0FIN



  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display and Eye Glasses for OTs only

2010-06-04 Thread Mike
Thanks, Doug.

You missed the post where I said I have the extra glasses. Without them, 
I probably would have to put one of those 'page magnifiers' on the front 
panel. :-)

73, Mike NF4L

Doug Turnbull wrote:
 Mike,
 Another solution is to have a pair of glasses for radio use.   I have
 set of bifocals which are used for computer and radio with roughly a thirty
 inch focal length and reading at roughly fourteen inches.   I find them very
 convenient in the radio shack.
  73 Doug EI2CN
 PS What have we come to talking this way.

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike K2MK
 Sent: 04 June 2010 19:50
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter display size


 Hi Joe:

 Here's a low tech solution: trifocals. I sit about 28 from my computer
 screen and about the same from the K3. The middle range of my trifocals is
 perfect. Same problem and solution for the speedometer on the car's
 dashboard.

 73,
 Mike K2MK





 Don,

   Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still
   give a good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

 The problem is that there is no change between 500/400 Hz or between
 250/200 Hz.  That means it is not possible to determine if a 400 Hz
 or 200 Hz filter are selected only from the filter width display.
 In the case where the FLn icons are too small to be read with one's
 distance lenses and the radio is too far away for the reading lenses
 the filter width display should be an important clue to the selected
 filter.

 73,

 ... Joe, W4TV

 On 6/4/2010 10:00 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
   
 Mike,

 That truncated pyramid should change as you move the HI/LO CUT or
 SHIFT/WIDTH knobs.  In other words, it should respond to changes in the
 DSP filter controls.  Set the K3 to SSB and if the HI/LO indicators are
 not illuminated, push one of the two buttons in - then turn the HI CUT
 knob counterclockwise.  The segments to the right should drop off as you
 rotate the knob.

 Then switch to the SHIFT/WIDTH display - rotate the shift knob and the
 display should move left to right (no change in width), and rotate the
 WIDTH knob to change the width - when you go counterclockwise, it should
 go down to 50 Hz and the number of bars will be only two.

 Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still give a
 good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 Mike wrote:
 
 The truncated pyramid icon that displays a filter's width only has 2
 sizes, a wide one (11 'segments') for my 2.8 and a narrower (7
 'segments') for both the 400 and 250 filters. Is that the way it's
 supposed to be? The wording on the xfil display is getting too small for
 these eyes.

   


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter display size

2010-06-04 Thread Mike
Hi Guy.

No, the problem is my failing eyes. The graphic in question can be 
varied in width from 11 'segments' down to 3, via the width control, in 
3 discreet, and very visible steps. That's just not enough granularity 
to accomplish what I was thinking about.

It's a design choice that our good friends in Aptos made for whatever 
reasons they had, and I don't think it (like anything else on the K3) 
was a trivial quirk. I actually only wanted to know if my K3 was 
reacting as designed.
 
73, Mike NF4L

Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
 I think the problem may be the perception that the size of the width
 indicators on the display is infinitely variable. Those appear to be
 individual designed segments, as are the letter segments.  It is not
 an LCD screen with all images made from a graphics processor
 generating pixel-based images, which could be varied to anything in
 software.

 One can see all the segments and everything that can be shown on the
 display by tapping MENU, turning VFO B to LCD ADJ, and turning VFO A
 counter-clockwise until all the segments light up.  Displaying
 anything else would seem to involve replacing the display and the code
 that drives it.

 Elecraft would have to comment as to the facts of that choice, though
 I would speculate that there is cost, coding complexity, space,
 possibly internal noise considerations, and that keeping dedicated
 segments updated occupies far less processor time and code than
 graphics generation for an LCD, and they have chosen to concentrate
 that power on signal processing.

 73, Guy.

 On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Mike n...@nf4l.com wrote:
   
 H I dunno what happened here. My reply to Joe shows up under
 Lyle's post, and my response to Lyle doesn't show at all. I checked the
 address lines on the posts in my 'Sent' box and all three have the
 individual's name and Elecraft.

 Did you get it Lyle?

 73, Mike NF4L


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[Elecraft] Paddles

2010-06-04 Thread PHIL
I may be way off base here but I am curious...Has anyone ever tried using a y 
cord to hook two sets of paddles up to the K3??  or would they interfere with 
each other??  I think it would be cheaper than making a switch box???
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Re: [Elecraft] Paddles

2010-06-04 Thread Wes Stewart
Y would they interfere with each other?  Are you going to use one with each 
hand at the same time?

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Subject: [Elecraft] Paddles
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 3:54 PM

I may be way off base here but I am curious...Has anyone ever tried using a y 
cord to hook two sets of paddles up to the K3??  or would they interfere with 
each other??  I think it would be cheaper than making a switch box???
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Re: [Elecraft] Paddles

2010-06-04 Thread Iain MacDonnell - N6ML
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:54 PM, PHIL n2...@stny.rr.com wrote:
 I may be way off base here but I am curious...Has anyone ever tried using a 
 y cord to hook two sets of paddles up to the K3??  or would they interfere 
 with each other??  I think it would be cheaper than making a switch box???

Y-cable (make sure it's a stereo one!) should work fine for normal
paddles. You're just pulling tip or sleeve to ground when you close
the paddle contacts...

~Iain / N6ML
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Re: [Elecraft] Paddles

2010-06-04 Thread Dave Perry N4QS
That would be SO2K.  Single op, two key mode!  But the answer to your 
question is that you can easily use either a Y cable or Y adaptor.  I 
purchased a Y adaptor from Radio Shack for just that purpose.  Works 
great -- as long as you only use one at a time.

Dave, N4QS

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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; PHIL n2...@stny.rr.com
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Paddles


Y would they interfere with each other? Are you going to use one with each 
hand at the same time?

--- On Fri, 6/4/10, PHIL n2...@stny.rr.com wrote:

From: PHIL n2...@stny.rr.com
Subject: [Elecraft] Paddles
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 3:54 PM

I may be way off base here but I am curious...Has anyone ever tried using a 
y cord to hook two sets of paddles up to the K3?? or would they interfere 
with each other?? I think it would be cheaper than making a switch box???
PHIL. www.n2bee.net
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Re: [Elecraft] Paddles

2010-06-04 Thread Gregory Fischer
Or u can use an ext keyed on the key in Jack and a paddle on the  
paddle input using the int keyer.


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On Jun 4, 2010, at 2:54 PM, PHIL n2...@stny.rr.com wrote:

 I may be way off base here but I am curious...Has anyone ever tried  
 using a y cord to hook two sets of paddles up to the K3??  or  
 would they interfere with each other??  I think it would be cheaper  
 than making a switch box???
 PHIL.  www.n2bee.net
 Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain  
 consciousness
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[Elecraft] 2 keys -

2010-06-04 Thread PHIL
OK guys, got the picture and thanks for the help - always better to ask when in 
doubt!!  I love this radio- - - 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display and Eye Glasses for OTs only

2010-06-04 Thread Jim McDonald
I have a shelf so I can have my two 19 monitors above the K3, rotor
control, SteppIR box, and paddle.  The monitors are too high for my
progressive lenses, which are continuously variable from reading to
distance with no line (think analog instead of digital!).  The shelf is 8
(20 cm) above the desk top.

I have a set of what the optician called office glasses.  They are also
progressives, but the top part is for 2-3' (60-90 cm) or so.  Actually the
top 2 mm is the real distance prescription, but it isn't very useful.

It's a nuisance to use two pairs of glasses but it works well for me.  I
really like progressive lenses for the same reason I like a speed knob on a
keyer.

Jim N7US

PS: It beats the other subject old guys talk about!


-Original Message-

Mike,
Another solution is to have a pair of glasses for radio use.   I have
set of bifocals which are used for computer and radio with roughly a thirty
inch focal length and reading at roughly fourteen inches.   I find them very
convenient in the radio shack.
 73 Doug EI2CN
PS What have we come to talking this way.

-Original Message-


Hi Joe:

Here's a low tech solution: trifocals. I sit about 28 from my computer
screen and about the same from the K3. The middle range of my trifocals is
perfect. Same problem and solution for the speedometer on the car's
dashboard.

73,
Mike K2MK



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[Elecraft] K3 S/N 4359 - It's Alive! (And Thanks)

2010-06-04 Thread Jim / W6JHB

Finished assembly of my K3/100 serial number 4359 this afternoon. What an
easy, trouble-free build. Everything checks out, the 100W PA works fine, and
I'm looking forward to getting some sort of antenna up in the air to make
some QSOs. Only had two minor issues during the assembly. First, I
accidentally dumped my 32-bin plastic parts tray over, with most of the K3
nuts, washers, etc. falling into the chassis / RF board - arrrgh! Then,
when I was almost finished, I heard something rattling in the front panel
unit. Thinking it was from the dumped parts bin, I ripped the K3 apart,
including the front panel. Only to find out that the rattle was caused by my
not having tightened down the knurled ring on the phones jack on the
front!!!

Anyway, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Wayne and Eric for
designing such a great rig. Assembly couldn't have been easier - the manual
was exceptional!

And lastly - a BIG attaboy for Susan and Ryan at Elecraft - they had their
names in the packing slips on all the parts bags and not one item was
missing - thanks folks!!!

73, Jim / W6JHB
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