[Elecraft] K3 feature request query?

2010-06-16 Thread Sam Morgan
I'm not certain of this, but it seems to me that there is a difference,
in the settings for AGC THR and SLP that I need to be running,
for best weak signal reception on 160m compared to when I'm on 17m.

Is there something I'm missing as the operator,
or would it be possible to include those 2 settings,
as something the K3 would remember as a band to band setting?

I guess I run into this because I shutdown after beeing on 17m,
and then when I start my day on the air on 160m, I can't hear well and end up 
having to play with THR and SLP settings, with the result seems to be better 
for 
hearing through the noise on 160m.

Maybe I am missing how I should be setting those 2 variables?
-- 
GB  73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 feature request query?

2010-06-16 Thread pd0psb

Hi Sam,

I often thought about this as well.

Since the noisefloor is generally much higher on the lower bands, it would
be nice if AGC threshold or RX IF gain could be scaled in relation to
bandnoise levels.

To do this you would need to use a table with a few setting points across HF
and have gain or threshold interpolate between these points. This would
compensate AGC threshold or IF gain across the full range of the receiver in
relation to bandnoise levels.
(It would be nice if this were another industry-first from Elecraft :-)

BTW, an old trick I often used for receive-only is a rather small capacitor
in series with the RX antenna input, this gives a general decrease of gain
towards the lower bands, compensating the higher bandnoise levels.

73'
Paul
PD0PSB




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 4.03

2010-06-16 Thread Lyle Johnson

 Loading 4.03 went fine.  I noticed during the MCU load the delta-F LED 
 was blinking normally but not during the DSP load.

This is normal behavior.

73,

Lyle KK7P
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 feature request query?

2010-06-16 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Then one starts getting into trouble with using RX antennas with low
gain, where the RX gain and pre usage IS appropriate.  The FT1000MP
*DID* have the de-emphasis you speak about.  Over about a decade of
usage, I wound up turning the de-emphasis off more than not, for use
on RX antennas.

The Orion had an idea about that, having the RF gain numerical and
remembered per band.  Seems very logical.  But it was a near universal
confusion factor for new users.

QWERTY may be an inferior keyboard arrangement to some, but try to
change that, or get rid of the Microsoft \.

I had a proposal once which engaged most of your concept.  The
reaction to it was ten-to-one negative.  Some things better left
alone.

73, Guy.

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:33 AM, pd0psb sailor...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi Sam,

 I often thought about this as well.

 Since the noisefloor is generally much higher on the lower bands, it would
 be nice if AGC threshold or RX IF gain could be scaled in relation to
 bandnoise levels.

 To do this you would need to use a table with a few setting points across HF
 and have gain or threshold interpolate between these points. This would
 compensate AGC threshold or IF gain across the full range of the receiver in
 relation to bandnoise levels.
 (It would be nice if this were another industry-first from Elecraft :-)

 BTW, an old trick I often used for receive-only is a rather small capacitor
 in series with the RX antenna input, this gives a general decrease of gain
 towards the lower bands, compensating the higher bandnoise levels.

 73'
 Paul
 PD0PSB




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware updating

2010-06-16 Thread Larry - K2GN
Well, thanks for all the replies to my message below.

The result is very mixed and discouraging. It appears that I'm in a dilemma.

I either stay at the level I'm at in the K3, get rid of the the K3 or the
microKEYER2R+ or

Run the risk  of the firmware update not working.

I don't really want to get rid of anything, nor do I want to have a screw up
on the Firmware upgrades.

I got to figure out what to do.

Again, thanks for your input.

de K2GN - Larry -  http://k2gn.com/ http://k2gn.com

K3 S/N - 3278P3 S/N -   (Ordered)

 

From: Larry - K2GN [mailto:k...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:16 PM
To: Elecraft - K3
Subject: K3 Firmware updating

 

Is there a safe way to update a K3 through the microHAM router?

I don't like moving the cables for every update.

Something is going to wear out or break.

Difficult to do it with my 1 good hand .

Can I put a Y adaptor on the RS232 and run a USB to my laptop, and leave
the microHAM powered off?

Laptop isn't connected to the radios at all.

I just need an easier way to stay up to date.

Same with using the K3 EZ and K3 Util programs.

 

Any ideas are  greatly appreciated.

de K2GN - Larry - http://k2gn.com http://k2gn.com/ 

K3 S/N - 3278P3 S/N -   (Ordered)

 

 

 

 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware updating

2010-06-16 Thread Larry - K2GN
Joe:
Are you saying the there is a power requirement for the microHAM even when
it is turned off
Or do you mean the RS232 control lines? If so, and the device gets powered
down, doesn't it's hold on the control lines go away???
de K2GN - Larry - http://k2gn.com
K3 S/N - 3278P3 S/N -   (Ordered)



 Can I put a Y adaptor on the RS232 and run a USB to my laptop, and 
  leave the microHAM powered off? 

No.  The unpowered adapter (whether the microHAM device or the USB 
converter) will pull down the data lines resulting in no data 
between the K3 and the powered device. 

73, 
... Joe, W4TV 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 feature request query?

2010-06-16 Thread pd0psb

Guy,

I can't follow the comparison with the Querty keyboard, sorry.

Some things better left
alone. 

Or given the option enable/disable .

73'
Paul
PD0PSB


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware updating

2010-06-16 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

  Or do you mean the RS232 control lines? If so, and the device
  gets powered down, doesn't it's hold on the control lines go
  away???

No, with no power applied to RS-232 devices - whether it be a
computer serial port, MK2R+, MKII, or the K3 the unpowered
lines will load the other lines so they will not work properly.
Without special circuits, it is not possible to connect two
drivers to a single RS-232 port at the same time.

The best solution is the two port RS-232 switch.

Note, updating with K3 is a special case since the K3 does not
require the use of handshake signals for updating.  Other rigs
require handshake between their update software and the rig.
Since application controlled handshake is not supported AT ALL
by any microHAM interface, any upload capability is out of the
question for other rigs.

73,

... Joe Subich, W4TV
microHAM America, LLC.
http://www.microHAM-USA.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microHAM


On 6/16/2010 10:57 AM, Larry - K2GN wrote:
 Joe: Are you saying the there is a power requirement for the microHAM
 even when it is turned off Or do you mean the RS232 control
 lines? If so, and the device gets powered down, doesn't it's hold on
 the control lines go away??? de K2GN - Larry - http://k2gn.com K3 S/N
 - 3278P3 S/N -   (Ordered)



 Can I put a Y adaptor on the RS232 and run a USB to my laptop,
 and leave the microHAM powered off?

 No.  The unpowered adapter (whether the microHAM device or the
 USB converter) will pull down the data lines resulting in no
 data between the K3 and the powered device.

 73, ... Joe, W4TV


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware updating

2010-06-16 Thread Don Wilhelm
Larry,

RS-232 cables cannot be simply daisy-chained or Y'ed.
Like normal logic lines, there can be only one driver on any one signal 
line.   Some logic families do allow 'wire-or' and 'wire-and' 
connections with the proper selection of drivers, but that is a special 
case.
The receivers are high impedance, and one can have several receivers on 
the cable (that is what the SteppIR Y cables do - they only listen to 
the communications on the line)

The drivers are the problem - along with the switching levels.  The 
levels must be maintained either below -3 volts or above +3 volts so the 
receivers will not be detecting invalid data levels.  If two drivers are 
on a signal line, and one is trying to provide an ON level while the 
other is trying to provide an OFF level, confusion will reign.  Even if 
one driver is powered off, it can still draw current from the line which 
will interfere with the other driver.  The RS-232 drivers are not like 
tri-state devices which effectively disconnect from the line when 
powered off.

So as a result, RS-232 is a point to point system only, and except for 
special circumstances, that restriction must be followed.

73,
Don W3FPR

Larry - K2GN wrote:
 Joe:
 Are you saying the there is a power requirement for the microHAM even when
 it is turned off
 Or do you mean the RS232 control lines? If so, and the device gets powered
 down, doesn't it's hold on the control lines go away???
 de K2GN - Larry - http://k2gn.com
 K3 S/N - 3278P3 S/N -   (Ordered)



   
 Can I put a Y adaptor on the RS232 and run a USB to my laptop, and 
 
   leave the microHAM powered off? 

   

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 4.03

2010-06-16 Thread Hector Padron
Mine behaved same way when uploading it to the radio.
QSQ is awsome now,I am using it more than before,thanks Elecraft.
 
AD4C

If you see a woman handling a cell phone on her hands while she is driving,do 
please stay away from her.!!

--- On Wed, 6/16/10, Lyle Johnson k...@wavecable.com wrote:


From: Lyle Johnson k...@wavecable.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 4.03
To: k6...@foothill.net
Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 1:08 PM



 Loading 4.03 went fine.  I noticed during the MCU load the delta-F LED 
 was blinking normally but not during the DSP load.

This is normal behavior.

73,

Lyle KK7P
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[Elecraft] K3 Firmware updating

2010-06-16 Thread Lu Romero
Larry:

Although some claim this works, I wouldnt risk it.

I operate #3192 with a microKEYER2 and I dont like plugging
and unplugging either.

I purchased one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/Switch-Manual-Serial-Position-CCS11200/dp/B000TTWZTQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1276712533sr=1-1

I built several cables using one long serial cable I had on
hand and some DB-9 sockets and plugs.  Or you can buy
pre-made cables (see www.winford.com for all the varieties).

I wired a cable from the common port of the switch to the K3
serial input.  I plugged the MicroKeyer's serial output into
side A and my real serial port from my computer through a
serial cable into port B.

When I want to upload software or change a setting using
K3-EZ or the Utility, I turn the switch to B.  When I want
to use CAT using the MicroKeyer, I turn the switch to A. 
microKEYER is very tolerant of this shenaniganz, you can
hot switch it in and out.  RX Freq will flash with
underscores when its not online, as soon as you switch back
to it, it figures things out and youre back to where you
were.

Simple, inexpensive, and has never failed me.  

The switch also makes a nice riser stand for my Autek WM-1
wattmeter, bringing it level with the top of both my K3 and
my Kenwood TS570D second radio.

Its cheap!  Why risk issues?  Plus you get yet another knob
to twirl (hams like twriling knobs, eh?)

-lu -W4LT-
K3 #3192



Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:16:10 -0400
From: Larry - K2GN k...@comcast.net
Subject: To: Elecraft - K3 elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: 00aa01cb0ce0$bdb7d460$39277d...@net
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii

Is there a safe way to update a K3 through the microHAM
router?

I don't like moving the cables for every update.

Something is going to wear out or break.

Difficult to do it with my 1 good hand .

Can I put a Y adaptor on the RS232 and run a USB to my
laptop, and leave
the microHAM powered off?

Laptop isn't connected to the radios at all.

I just need an easier way to stay up to date.

Same with using the K3 EZ and K3 Util programs.

 

Any ideas are  greatly appreciated.

de K2GN - Larry - http://k2gn.com http://k2gn.com/ 

K3 S/N - 3278P3 S/N -   (Ordered)

 


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[Elecraft] QRQ

2010-06-16 Thread Jim Miller KG0KP
OK, Guys, I'm a newbe to ham(18 years) compared.  And I have been avoiding CW 
until the past few months (after passing my 20 word test for my extra(16 years 
ago!)).  This spring I started Triple Play to force myself to get serious on CW 
and it has been uphill all the way but I am gaining on it (still missing 15 
states CW on LOTW).

QRQ?  High speed CW ??  OK, so how do you get to 60 or 100 WPM anyway?  PC or 
at least keyboard input?  I can't imagine accuracy for copyable code being 
input via paddle above maybe 40 wpm or so.  Also, PC for decode even up to 100 
wpm or is that by ear !!! ?

Also, during the contests I sometimes hear cw going so fast all that is heard 
is thumping, there is no tone whatsoever being transmitted.  Do I have 
something set wrong or are some radios prone to transmit like this?  These are 
not close in stations (579 or so) so it shouldn't be overload and backing off 
the rf gain doesn't make it any different.

Thanks, de Jim KG0KP
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[Elecraft] QRQ

2010-06-16 Thread The Smiths



The thumping could either be you've got the NB on too heavy a setting, or you 
have someone just outside of your filter skirts. IE, you have 100Hz set and 
some one really strong is out around 150 or even 200hz to your side. That tends 
to cause the type of thumping sound you're talking about.
As for the send and receiving of CW at those speeeds. Yes, you CAN do it with a 
good keyer.. and Yes, you do decode it with your brain... Keep in mind, if you 
can only copy 15 wpm, 25wpm sounds like 100wpm.. if you can do 45wpm, 55 or 
60wpm starts sounding fast to you.. So, it's all realitive to your speed that 
you can already go. Keep up your code and you'll get there soon enough... well, 
okay 45 is good enough...Hi hi.. 73
 

 
 From: jimmil...@stl-online.net
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:54:57 -0500
 Subject: [Elecraft] QRQ
 
 OK, Guys, I'm a newbe to ham(18 years) compared. And I have been avoiding CW 
 until the past few months (after passing my 20 word test for my extra(16 
 years ago!)). This spring I started Triple Play to force myself to get 
 serious on CW and it has been uphill all the way but I am gaining on it 
 (still missing 15 states CW on LOTW).
 
 QRQ? High speed CW ?? OK, so how do you get to 60 or 100 WPM anyway? PC or at 
 least keyboard input? I can't imagine accuracy for copyable code being input 
 via paddle above maybe 40 wpm or so. Also, PC for decode even up to 100 wpm 
 or is that by ear !!! ?
 
 Also, during the contests I sometimes hear cw going so fast all that is heard 
 is thumping, there is no tone whatsoever being transmitted. Do I have 
 something set wrong or are some radios prone to transmit like this? These are 
 not close in stations (579 or so) so it shouldn't be overload and backing off 
 the rf gain doesn't make it any different.
 
 Thanks, de Jim KG0KP
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[Elecraft] Auto Tuner

2010-06-16 Thread Phil LaMarche
LDG is shipping a new 600 watt auto tuner this month for only 359.00.  It
supports Icom and Yaesu for tracking with a cable.  Emailed the factory
about the K3 and they said they had no plans to support Elecraft.  That
tuner with the new amplifier would be perfect and LDG is missing the boat on
this product.  I told them so as well.  Disappointed!
 
Phil
 
Philip LaMarche
 
LaMarche Enterprises, Inc
p...@lamarcheenterprises.com
www.LaMarcheEnterprises.com http://www.lamarcheenterprises.com/  
 
727-944-3226
727-937-8834 Fax
727-510-5038 Cell 
 
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K3 #1605
 
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CRA 1701
W9DVM
 
 
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[Elecraft] LDG

2010-06-16 Thread Phil LaMarche
This was LDG's response to my email:  Short sighted!
 
The Elecraft market is very small compared to the rest of the HF market.
Yes, it is big for the kit market, but still very little in caparison to the
entire HF radio market.

Most of the big manufacturers sell more of one radio model than all of the
Elecraft radios ever sold (combining all models).

Dwayne Kincaid
LDG

 
Philip LaMarche
 
LaMarche Enterprises, Inc
p...@lamarcheenterprises.com
www.LaMarcheEnterprises.com http://www.lamarcheenterprises.com/  
 
727-944-3226
727-937-8834 Fax
727-510-5038 Cell 
 
www.w9dvm.com http://www.w9dvm.com/ 
 
K3 #1605
 
CCA 98-00827
CRA 1701
W9DVM
 
 
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[Elecraft] LDG

2010-06-16 Thread Ken Kopp

I've an LDG that couldn't survive (twice) being connected at
the base of a full-size 160M quarter-wave insulated tower.
Don't know what failure was, as Dwayne wouldn't / couldn't
tell me.

Perhaps snow static build-up.  Perhaps the -30 / 40F winter
temps.  I'm cured of  LDG.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
 elecraftcov...@rfwave.net





 This was LDG's response to my email:  Short sighted!

 The Elecraft market is very small compared to the rest of the HF market.
 Yes, it is big for the kit market, but still very little in caparison to 
 the
 entire HF radio market.

 Most of the big manufacturers sell more of one radio model than all of the
 Elecraft radios ever sold (combining all models).

 Dwayne Kincaid
 LDG


 Philip LaMarche

 LaMarche Enterprises, Inc
 p...@lamarcheenterprises.com
 www.LaMarcheEnterprises.com http://www.lamarcheenterprises.com/

 727-944-3226
 727-937-8834 Fax
 727-510-5038 Cell

 www.w9dvm.com http://www.w9dvm.com/

 K3 #1605

 CCA 98-00827
 CRA 1701
 W9DVM


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Re: [Elecraft] LDG

2010-06-16 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Foot with your feet (or wallet :-)
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174

It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's
required. 
- Winston Churchill

On 16 Jun 2010, at 20:20, Phil LaMarche wrote:

 This was LDG's response to my email:  Short sighted!
 
 The Elecraft market is very small compared to the rest of the HF market.
 Yes, it is big for the kit market, but still very little in caparison to the
 entire HF radio market.
 
 Most of the big manufacturers sell more of one radio model than all of the
 Elecraft radios ever sold (combining all models).
 
 Dwayne Kincaid
 LDG

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Re: [Elecraft] LDG

2010-06-16 Thread BobDobson

Definitely short-sighted.  This position will change as more hams wise  up 
and
realize how this little upstart company makes rigs that stomp theirs flat  
at a
fraction of the cost.  I'm kicking myself for wasting my money  thinking 
that an
Icom 7700 was better than the K2, let alone the K3.  And most of us  would 
die
of old age if we waited for a support response from the Big Three.   
Elecraft 
tries harder, and it shows!
 
Elecraft: it doesn't matter if it's a K1, K2, or a K3, just as long as it's 
 a K.
Accept no substitutes.
 
72 / 73,
 
Bob  WA4FOM
 
 
In a message dated 6/16/2010 3:21:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
plama...@verizon.net writes:

This was  LDG's response to my email:  Short sighted!

The Elecraft market is  very small compared to the rest of the HF market.
Yes, it is big for the  kit market, but still very little in caparison to 
the
entire HF radio  market.

Most of the big manufacturers sell more of one radio model than  all of the
Elecraft radios ever sold (combining all models).

Dwayne  Kincaid
LDG


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727-944-3226
727-937-8834 Fax
727-510-5038 Cell  

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Re: [Elecraft] Auto Tuner

2010-06-16 Thread Grant Youngman
I'd just let them miss the boat.  Based on some comments by Eric at Ham-Com, it 
is probably not unreasonable to believe an auto-tuner for the KPA500 power 
class will be covered in a P3 sized footprint.  Probably after the KPA500 ships 
later this year.

Grant/NQ5T


On Jun 16, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Phil LaMarche wrote:

 LDG is shipping a new 600 watt auto tuner this month for only 359.00.  It
 supports Icom and Yaesu for tracking with a cable.  Emailed the factory
 about the K3 and they said they had no plans to support Elecraft.  That
 tuner with the new amplifier would be perfect and LDG is missing the boat on
 this product.  I told them so as well.  Disappointed!
 
 Phil
 
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Re: [Elecraft] LDG

2010-06-16 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

  Most of the big manufacturers sell more of one radio model than
  all of the Elecraft radios ever sold (combining all models).

You could not prove that from my experience.  Either Elecraft
owners are more likely to buy a microHAM interface (even though
the K3 has built-in transformer isolated line in/out jacks) than
owners of other transceivers or Elecraft is selling more rigs in
the current market conditions than other manufacturers.

The one thing I can say about LDG, they are more likely to
sell down market (owners of toys like the FT-817/857/897,
IC-706/7000, TS-480) than they are to sell up market (the
IC-7600, FT-2000/5000, K3) so the NIH syndrome may be at play.

73,

... Joe Subich, W4TV
microHAM America, LLC.
http://www.microHAM-USA.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microHAM


On 6/16/2010 3:20 PM, Phil LaMarche wrote:
 This was LDG's response to my email:  Short sighted!

 The Elecraft market is very small compared to the rest of the HF
 market. Yes, it is big for the kit market, but still very little in
 caparison to the entire HF radio market.

 Most of the big manufacturers sell more of one radio model than all
 of the Elecraft radios ever sold (combining all models).

 Dwayne Kincaid LDG


 Philip LaMarche

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 www.LaMarcheEnterprises.comhttp://www.lamarcheenterprises.com/

 727-944-3226 727-937-8834 Fax 727-510-5038 Cell

 www.w9dvm.comhttp://www.w9dvm.com/

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Re: [Elecraft] Auto Tuner

2010-06-16 Thread Bruce Beford
 Phil Lamarche wrote:

 LDG is shipping a new 600 watt auto tuner this month for only 359.00.  It
 supports Icom and Yaesu for tracking with a cable.  Emailed the factory
 about the K3 and they said they had no plans to support Elecraft.  That
 tuner with the new amplifier would be perfect and LDG is missing the boat
 on this product.  I told them so as well.  Disappointed!

At first glance, I would not call this tuner perfect for use with the
KPA-500 at all. It is under-rated for full ouput of the KPA-500. It will
only handle 300W on RTTY, and 250W on 6M. From what I have read thus far,
the KPA-500 can comfortably produce continuous power levels that would bring
this tuner to it's knees.

I wouldn't be too disappointed. Keep looking.
Bruce, N1RX

From the LDG website:

LDG has announced the AT-600Pro Autotuner. It will handle 600 watts on SSB
and CW, 300 watts on RTTY and 250 watts on 54 MHz. Features include an LED
indicator for antenna selection and an LED to indicate when in bypass.
Delivery for the AT-600Pro is mid June, 2010. A preliminary manual is
available from our Manuals section. Suggested Retail Price $359.99.


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Re: [Elecraft] LDG

2010-06-16 Thread Rick Prather
When I got my K3 I had an LDG AT-200 that I had to use with my previous radio 
on some bands.  After comparing the K3 ATU to the AT-200 I found the K3 had a 
much wider range and didn't sound like something fell down the stairs when 
tuning!

I put the LDG on the block and cleared more space on my desk.

Now, I have a wider range tuner and I don't wake up my wife when I tune 80M and 
have a much nicer, integrated system.

Now I am really glad I sold the LDG!

Rick
K6LE

On 6/16/2010, at 12:20 , Phil LaMarche wrote:

 This was LDG's response to my email:  Short sighted!
 
 The Elecraft market is very small compared to the rest of the HF market.
 Yes, it is big for the kit market, but still very little in caparison to the
 entire HF radio market.
 
 Most of the big manufacturers sell more of one radio model than all of the
 Elecraft radios ever sold (combining all models).
 
 Dwayne Kincaid
 LDG
 
 
 Philip LaMarche
 

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[Elecraft] K3 Low Pass Question

2010-06-16 Thread Jim / W6JHB

Just wondering if many K3 owners have a low pass filter in their coax line?
I'm starting to assemble my station in a rental apartment and have a couple
commercial low pass units lying in the parts box. Worth the extra (small)
effort to put one in the transmission line? In my case, no additional $$
cost, but it would add another pair of PL259's and a short length of cable
to the configuration.

Jim / W6JHB
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Re: [Elecraft] Auto Tuner

2010-06-16 Thread Don Ehrlich
For what it's worth the Band Decoding in the K3 is compatible with Yaesu 
band decoders.  If LDG is compatible with the band decoder of Yaesu then an 
appropriate cable from the tuner to the DB15 connector on the K3 should 
work.  Such a cable is available from Array Solutions.

If the tuner communicates only through the RS232 port then all bets are off. 
This may be likely because the tuner really needs to know the exact 
frequency rather than just the band.

Is it true that they do not support Kenwood?  That would be strange.

Don K7FJ






 LDG is shipping a new 600 watt auto tuner this month for only 359.00.  It
 supports Icom and Yaesu for tracking with a cable.  Emailed the factory
 about the K3 and they said they had no plans to support Elecraft.  That
 tuner with the new amplifier would be perfect and LDG is missing the boat 
 on
 this product.  I told them so as well.  Disappointed!

 Phil

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[Elecraft] KTCXO3-1

2010-06-16 Thread Richard Thorpe
Hey Elecraft gurus, when will we see software to implement our $100  
dollar TCXO 1ppm High Stability Reference Oscillators?

R Thorpe AC9D
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Low Pass Question

2010-06-16 Thread Don Wilhelm
Jim,

One reason not to use an external LPF is that many (most) of them have a 
cutoff frequency above 30 MHz, and below 50 MHz - and the K3 covers 50 MHz.

IIRC, Drake had one LPF that had a cutoff above 52 MHz (but the 6 meter 
band extends to 54 MHz).  I am looking at a Drake TV-3300-LP right now 
and it has a minimum attenuation of 80 dB above 41 MHz.

Most modern transceivers do not need external LPFs because they must 
comply with more stringent FCC spurious emission regulations than were 
in effect when many transmitters had a LPF hanging off the back for TVI 
prevention.

So, you can use it if you want, it will not hurt anything at HF, but 
unless it is one with a cutoff frequency above 54 MHz, you will lose all 
or part of the 6 meter coverage.

73,
Don W3FPR

Jim / W6JHB wrote:
 Just wondering if many K3 owners have a low pass filter in their coax line?
 I'm starting to assemble my station in a rental apartment and have a couple
 commercial low pass units lying in the parts box. Worth the extra (small)
 effort to put one in the transmission line? In my case, no additional $$
 cost, but it would add another pair of PL259's and a short length of cable
 to the configuration.

 Jim / W6JHB
   
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Re: [Elecraft] QRQ

2010-06-16 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Jim,

The thumping you hear during contests could be due to overload, especially 
so if you have the IF noise blanker turned on.

The common problem with typical IF noise blankers is that they are hit by 
*all* of the signals large and small that get through the wide bandpass 
filters. If the sum total of all of these signals is large in amplitude, 
then the NB could be overloaded. Backing off the RF gain won't help 
because it changes the gain of the IF after the NB and roofing filter, not 
the gain before the NB. To change the gain before the K3's NB you have to 
change the preamp and attenuator settings.

NBs that do not suffer from this problem blank the LO, but that's another 
subject.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD


Jim Miller KG0KP wrote on Wednesday, June 16, 2010 at 7:54 PM:


 OK, Guys, I'm a newbe to ham(18 years) compared.  And I have been avoiding 
 CW until the past few months (after passing my 20 word test for my 
 extra(16 years ago!)).  This spring I started Triple Play to force myself 
 to get serious on CW and it has been uphill all the way but I am gaining 
 on it (still missing 15 states CW on LOTW).

 QRQ?  High speed CW ??  OK, so how do you get to 60 or 100 WPM anyway?  PC 
 or at least keyboard input?  I can't imagine accuracy for copyable code 
 being input via paddle above maybe 40 wpm or so.  Also, PC for decode even 
 up to 100 wpm or is that by ear !!! ?

 Also, during the contests I sometimes hear cw going so fast all that is 
 heard is thumping, there is no tone whatsoever being transmitted.  Do I 
 have something set wrong or are some radios prone to transmit like this? 
 These are not close in stations (579 or so) so it shouldn't be overload 
 and backing off the rf gain doesn't make it any different.

 Thanks, de Jim KG0KP


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Re: [Elecraft] Auto Tuner

2010-06-16 Thread Jim Miller KG0KP
I think you have probably just listed the reason LDG isn't supporting 
Elecraft - they can't handle it.

73, Jim

- Original Message - 
From: Bruce Beford bruce.bef...@myfairpoint.net
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Auto Tuner


 Phil Lamarche wrote:

 LDG is shipping a new 600 watt auto tuner this month for only 359.00.  It
 supports Icom and Yaesu for tracking with a cable.  Emailed the factory
 about the K3 and they said they had no plans to support Elecraft.  That
 tuner with the new amplifier would be perfect and LDG is missing the boat
 on this product.  I told them so as well.  Disappointed!

 At first glance, I would not call this tuner perfect for use with the
 KPA-500 at all. It is under-rated for full ouput of the KPA-500. It will
 only handle 300W on RTTY, and 250W on 6M. From what I have read thus far,
 the KPA-500 can comfortably produce continuous power levels that would 
 bring
 this tuner to it's knees.

 I wouldn't be too disappointed. Keep looking.
 Bruce, N1RX

From the LDG website:

 LDG has announced the AT-600Pro Autotuner. It will handle 600 watts on SSB
 and CW, 300 watts on RTTY and 250 watts on 54 MHz. Features include an LED
 indicator for antenna selection and an LED to indicate when in bypass.
 Delivery for the AT-600Pro is mid June, 2010. A preliminary manual is
 available from our Manuals section. Suggested Retail Price $359.99.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Low Pass Question

2010-06-16 Thread Al Lorona
Jim,

An argument in favor of leaving the LPF in the line would be to keep strong VHF 
or UHF signals out of the receiver. Although there aren't as many TV stations 
in the VHF region any more, there are still plenty of FM broadcast signals that 
in an extreme case could create intermodulation distortion (or blocking) 
in your receiver.

For example, here in Los Angeles all of the broadcasting is on one mountaintop, 
3 miles north of me, consisting of about 25 MW ERP. I use an LPF for that 
reason.

But if a situation like that doesn't apply to you, you could probably do 
without it.

Al W6LX


Just wondering if many K3 owners have a low pass filter in their coax line?

Jim / W6JHB
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Re: [Elecraft] QRQ

2010-06-16 Thread Jim Campbell
I often hear newcomers (to CW) say I'll never get to 50 wpm. If I have 
a keyer handy I will send a single CQ at 50 wpm and ask them What was 
that? If they have been around CW very long at all they will recognize 
the CQ even at 50 wpm. I explain to them that as they progress they will 
start recognizing letters instead of dots and dashes. Later they will 
begin to recognize words and so on. The secret is to keep at it. The 
Chuck Adams CW course is the best that I have seen for building speed.

72/73,

Jim - W4BQP

On 6/16/2010 3:03 PM, The Smiths wrote:


 The thumping could either be you've got the NB on too heavy a setting, or you 
 have someone just outside of your filter skirts. IE, you have 100Hz set and 
 some one really strong is out around 150 or even 200hz to your side. That 
 tends to cause the type of thumping sound you're talking about.
 As for the send and receiving of CW at those speeeds. Yes, you CAN do it with 
 a good keyer.. and Yes, you do decode it with your brain... Keep in mind, if 
 you can only copy 15 wpm, 25wpm sounds like 100wpm.. if you can do 45wpm, 55 
 or 60wpm starts sounding fast to you.. So, it's all realitive to your speed 
 that you can already go. Keep up your code and you'll get there soon 
 enough... well, okay 45 is good enough...Hi hi.. 73




 From: jimmil...@stl-online.net
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:54:57 -0500
 Subject: [Elecraft] QRQ

 OK, Guys, I'm a newbe to ham(18 years) compared. And I have been avoiding CW 
 until the past few months (after passing my 20 word test for my extra(16 
 years ago!)). This spring I started Triple Play to force myself to get 
 serious on CW and it has been uphill all the way but I am gaining on it 
 (still missing 15 states CW on LOTW).

 QRQ? High speed CW ?? OK, so how do you get to 60 or 100 WPM anyway? PC or 
 at least keyboard input? I can't imagine accuracy for copyable code being 
 input via paddle above maybe 40 wpm or so. Also, PC for decode even up to 
 100 wpm or is that by ear !!! ?

 Also, during the contests I sometimes hear cw going so fast all that is 
 heard is thumping, there is no tone whatsoever being transmitted. Do I 
 have something set wrong or are some radios prone to transmit like this? 
 These are not close in stations (579 or so) so it shouldn't be overload and 
 backing off the rf gain doesn't make it any different.

 Thanks, de Jim KG0KP
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Re: [Elecraft] LP Pan K2

2010-06-16 Thread Carl Griebno - KC4SG
Yup !!  I am also looking for a reply on this.  Looks like the
thing to do if you have a K2 around ..


On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:41:31 -0400, n0jrn n0...@mchsi.com wrote:

 Anybody running LP Pan with your K2???

 IF so,   what do you think of it 

 I'm considering adding it to the shack and wanted some opinions before
 purchasing.

 Thanks  73:   Jerry  N0JRN

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Re: [Elecraft] LDG

2010-06-16 Thread Rick Prather
The more I think about the silly response that you got from LDG I begin to 
realize why they don't have much regard for Elecraft as a market for their 
products.

When you realize that most off-shore rigs have built-in tuners that will 
rarely handle more than 3:1 SWR they are a good market for them.  But, the 
built in Elecraft tuners will usually handle up to at least 10:1 and in fact, 
in my experience, a higher mis-match than an LDG tuner it makes Elecraft users 
a pretty poor pool of perspective customers.

Consequently, looking at their sales over the years they probably wind up with 
a pretty distorted view of the market share.

Rick
K6LE



On 6/16/2010, at 12:20 , Phil LaMarche wrote:

 This was LDG's response to my email:  Short sighted!
 
 The Elecraft market is very small compared to the rest of the HF market.
 Yes, it is big for the kit market, but still very little in caparison to the
 entire HF radio market.
 
 Most of the big manufacturers sell more of one radio model than all of the
 Elecraft radios ever sold (combining all models).
 
 Dwayne Kincaid
 LDG
 
 
 Philip LaMarche

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[Elecraft] Elecraft KAT500 (was Auto Tuner)

2010-06-16 Thread Wayne Burdick
In case anyone was wondering: We are definitely planning to ship a new  
high-power autotuner next year. It will be an ideal companion tuner  
for the KPA500 and other amplifiers in the 500-600 W class (full  
rating on 160-6 m). It will be offered in both a desktop model (P3  
size) and a remote model for use at the antenna. Both will feature  
latching relays to minimize operating current. It will support various  
industry-standard control protocols.

73,
Wayne  Eric

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KAT500 (was Auto Tuner)

2010-06-16 Thread Craig D. Smith

THANK YOU 


 ... Craig   AC0DS

We are definitely planning to ship a new
 high-power autotuner next year. It will be offered in both a desktop
model (P3
 size) and a remote model for use at the antenna. Both will feature
 latching relays to minimize operating current. It will support various
 industry-standard control protocols.

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[Elecraft] Elecraft KAT500 (was Auto Tuner)

2010-06-16 Thread Ken Kopp

Great news!! (:-))

Hopefully, it will handle balanced line, too.

I picture it on the telephone pole directly 
below the center of my Zepp. (:-))

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] QRQ

2010-06-16 Thread Alan D. Wilcox
Jim,
If you'd like to get your code speed up, I highly recommend The Art  
Skill of Radio-Telegraphy ... it can be found in html at 
http://www.zerobeat.net/tasrt/contents.htm . A downloadable pdf is 
available, but it's not nearly so easy to navigate. I'm trying to get my 
code speed up too, and it's very helpful.

I also use CwType http://dxsoft.com/ (paste any text in the window and 
hear it at whatever speed you want). The ArtSkill book has common 
words you can copy and paste directly into CwType, which really helps 
with the practice.

At http://www.k0ru.net/fog/highspeed.html , you'll find a few words of 
advice from a chap who's running at speed.

Cheers,
Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40)
570-321-1516
http://WilcoxEngineering.com
Williamsport, PA 17701 


Jim Miller KG0KP wrote:
 OK, Guys, I'm a newbe to ham(18 years) compared.  And I have been avoiding CW 
 until the past few months (after passing my 20 word test for my extra(16 
 years ago!)).  This spring I started Triple Play to force myself to get 
 serious on CW and it has been uphill all the way but I am gaining on it 
 (still missing 15 states CW on LOTW).

 QRQ?  High speed CW ??  OK, so how do you get to 60 or 100 WPM anyway?  PC or 
 at least keyboard input?  I can't imagine accuracy for copyable code being 
 input via paddle above maybe 40 wpm or so.  Also, PC for decode even up to 
 100 wpm or is that by ear !!! ?

   
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Re: [Elecraft] KTCXO3-1

2010-06-16 Thread Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU

I'm not a guru, but the TCXO is already implemented.  The fraction-ppm
performance that might be gained by using some software isn't there, but the
TCXO itself is already more stable than the basic option.

Leigh/WA5ZNU
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Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KAT500 (was Auto Tuner)

2010-06-16 Thread k4tmc

 GREAT!  My prayers for an Elecraft remote tuner may soon be answered, although 
I don't need a 500 watt version.  

73,
Henry - K4TMC
K2/100 and K3/100

 


 

 

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From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net reflector Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wed, Jun 16, 2010 6:50 pm
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KAT500 (was Auto Tuner)


In case anyone was wondering: We are definitely planning to ship a new  

high-power autotuner next year. It will be an ideal companion tuner  

for the KPA500 and other amplifiers in the 500-600 W class (full  

rating on 160-6 m). It will be offered in both a desktop model (P3  

size) and a remote model for use at the antenna. Both will feature  

latching relays to minimize operating current. It will support various  

industry-standard control protocols.



73,

Wayne  Eric



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[Elecraft] Intermittent phone system problem at Elecraft

2010-06-16 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
We've had an intermittent phone system problem at the main Elecraft 
facility for the past week or two. If you called our main number, 
831-763-4211, it sometimes appeared to ring for a long time and then go 
to voice mail. We are actually here, wondering why the phones are so 
quiet :-)

We think we have this resolved, but it may pop up again. If this happens 
to you,  please try again or leave us a message when it eventually rolls 
over to ATT voicemail. We'll call back as soon as we get the messages 
from our overflow ATT mailbox.

Also, please use the new number, 831-763-4211, instead of our older 
number (which was 831-662-8345). While the '8345 numnber still forwards 
to our new number, it has a limited number of calls it can forward at 
any one time. also, it will eventually be going away at some point inthe 
future.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware updating.

2010-06-16 Thread Larry - K2GN
Folks,
Thanks for a the input and ideas.
I'm going to let my rig sit and not move it to disconnect/reconnect things
again until there is an absolute must have option in a new release, like
something has to be done for the P3.

Until then, please private mail only.
Let's close this thread.

Thanks to all,
de K2GN - Larry - http://k2gn.com
K3 S/N - 3278P3 S/N -   (Ordered)

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KAT500 (was Auto Tuner)

2010-06-16 Thread Phil Hystad
There is less and less reason to ever buy anything other then an Elecraft 
product -- fast becoming the one stop shopping mall of ham radio gear.


On Jun 16, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

 In case anyone was wondering: We are definitely planning to ship a new  
 high-power autotuner next year. It will be an ideal companion tuner  
 for the KPA500 and other amplifiers in the 500-600 W class (full  
 rating on 160-6 m). It will be offered in both a desktop model (P3  
 size) and a remote model for use at the antenna. Both will feature  
 latching relays to minimize operating current. It will support various  
 industry-standard control protocols.
 
 73,
 Wayne  Eric
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Low Pass Question

2010-06-16 Thread W8JI Tom
An argument in favor of leaving the LPF in the line would be to keep 
strong VHF or UHF signals out of the receiver. Although there aren't as many 
TV stations in the VHF region any more, there are still plenty of FM 
broadcast signals that in an extreme case could create intermodulation 
distortion (or blocking) in your receiver.


Does that stuff really get into the receiver and bother it??

If so, I'm a little suprised and wonder why that would happen. Ground loops? 
Semiconductors before filters?



For example, here in Los Angeles all of the broadcasting is on one 
mountaintop, 3 miles north of me, consisting of about 25 MW ERP. I use an 
LPF for that reason.

But if a situation like that doesn't apply to you, you could probably do 
without it.

Al W6LX


Just wondering if many K3 owners have a low pass filter in their coax line?

Jim / W6JHB
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Re: [Elecraft] LDG

2010-06-16 Thread Jack Brabham
Rick,

Not withstanding a rather poorly worded response, LDG's comment makes pretty
good sense.  

The K3 doesn't support external auto-tuners, it has no hardware handshake
protocol, such as Yaesu AT-300 or Icom AH-4 protocol.

So there is nothing for LDG to support.

There are many reasons to run an external auto tuner rather than an internal
tuner other than tuning range.  For instance, if you have a no-tune amp and
an external auto-tuner capable of handling the amp, you don't need the
internal tuner in the transceiver.  In fact it's rather a nuisance since it
could complicate communications between the high power external tuner and
the rig, and at best be a waste of money.

I see this as a functional short-coming in a high end transceiver or really
any transceiver.   I think there is a plan to implement Yaesu AT-300
external auto-tuner handshake protocol in the K3 but I don't know when.

73 Jack KZ5A

K3 #4165



-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Prather
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:48 PM
To: Phil LaMarche
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LDG

The more I think about the silly response that you got from LDG I begin to
realize why they don't have much regard for Elecraft as a market for their
products.

When you realize that most off-shore rigs have built-in tuners that will
rarely handle more than 3:1 SWR they are a good market for them.  But, the
built in Elecraft tuners will usually handle up to at least 10:1 and in
fact, in my experience, a higher mis-match than an LDG tuner it makes
Elecraft users a pretty poor pool of perspective customers.

Consequently, looking at their sales over the years they probably wind up
with a pretty distorted view of the market share.

Rick
K6LE



On 6/16/2010, at 12:20 , Phil LaMarche wrote:

 This was LDG's response to my email:  Short sighted!
 
 The Elecraft market is very small compared to the rest of the HF market.
 Yes, it is big for the kit market, but still very little in caparison to
the
 entire HF radio market.
 
 Most of the big manufacturers sell more of one radio model than all of the
 Elecraft radios ever sold (combining all models).
 
 Dwayne Kincaid
 LDG
 
 
 Philip LaMarche

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KAT500 (was Auto Tuner)

2010-06-16 Thread Don Cunningham
Wayne,
In conjunction with the external tuner, has any thought been given to allow 
those of us who opt to not buy the internal tuner to use the Antenna 2 by 
way of some sort of kit to open it up??  Is that even a possibility??  I 
nearly always run an amp of some sort for less stress on the basic rig and 
low power out on amp so it isn't stressed either.  For that reason, and the 
use of ladder line antennas here, I  didn't get the internal tuner, but sure 
would like to be able to access that extra antenna output.

I am continually amazed at how well you guys read the pulse of the group and 
respond to our needs.  You could easily become a one stop shop for me.
Vy 73,
Don, WB5HAK 

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Re: [Elecraft] LDG

2010-06-16 Thread Bill K9YEQ
I hesitate to add this reply:  I have had the original LDG tuner for QRP...
I forget which model. I had to replace the firmware chip and then things
were better.  Then I changed Qrp rigs but then the tuner didn't work so
well.  I upgrade and sold that unit... it didn't match in the same
circumstances.  I gave up.  I tried several LDG units without success.  I
don't own any now.  I have done SGC and similar result. Not much luck.  I
have better success with MFJ... can you believe that?  The internal units in
Elecraft units are superior to all.  Cable lengths, antennas and all the
rest of the stuff we deal with I like the Elecraft tuners.  I am not happy
they haven't delved into this market more with heavier duty stuff, but then
I have what I need for now.

Bill
K9YEQ
K2 and KX1 field tester, K3 and modules
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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jack Brabham
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:05 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LDG

Rick,

Not withstanding a rather poorly worded response, LDG's comment makes pretty
good sense.  

The K3 doesn't support external auto-tuners, it has no hardware handshake
protocol, such as Yaesu AT-300 or Icom AH-4 protocol.

So there is nothing for LDG to support.

There are many reasons to run an external auto tuner rather than an internal
tuner other than tuning range.  For instance, if you have a no-tune amp and
an external auto-tuner capable of handling the amp, you don't need the
internal tuner in the transceiver.  In fact it's rather a nuisance since it
could complicate communications between the high power external tuner and
the rig, and at best be a waste of money.

I see this as a functional short-coming in a high end transceiver or really
any transceiver.   I think there is a plan to implement Yaesu AT-300
external auto-tuner handshake protocol in the K3 but I don't know when.

73 Jack KZ5A

K3 #4165



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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Prather
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:48 PM
To: Phil LaMarche
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LDG

The more I think about the silly response that you got from LDG I begin to
realize why they don't have much regard for Elecraft as a market for their
products.

When you realize that most off-shore rigs have built-in tuners that will
rarely handle more than 3:1 SWR they are a good market for them.  But, the
built in Elecraft tuners will usually handle up to at least 10:1 and in
fact, in my experience, a higher mis-match than an LDG tuner it makes
Elecraft users a pretty poor pool of perspective customers.

Consequently, looking at their sales over the years they probably wind up
with a pretty distorted view of the market share.

Rick
K6LE



On 6/16/2010, at 12:20 , Phil LaMarche wrote:

 This was LDG's response to my email:  Short sighted!
 
 The Elecraft market is very small compared to the rest of the HF market.
 Yes, it is big for the kit market, but still very little in caparison to
the
 entire HF radio market.
 
 Most of the big manufacturers sell more of one radio model than all of the
 Elecraft radios ever sold (combining all models).
 
 Dwayne Kincaid
 LDG
 
 
 Philip LaMarche

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