Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 181, Issue 4
On 5/5/2019 1:19 PM, Email Service wrote: The K3 is a super radio until one hears clicking in earphones while running 7QP in full breakin. W6JTI and I just ran 18 hours of 7QP with full QSK and no clicks. Two stations with a K3, KPA500, and KAT500. One station also had P3/SVGA. N7N activated six NV counties, making 2,200 QSOs. About 350 were SSB. You should investigate what might be causing you to hear clicks. Perhaps in your station or outside your station, like passive intermod. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
On 5/5/2019 1:19 PM, Doug Hensley wrote: That much of my investment is going to go "poof" when a new model suddenly hits the market One of the things my mother taught me (she was an accountant) is that houses are not an investment, they are a HOME to be enjoyed. The same is true of things like radios -- that is, to be used and enjoyed. Either becomes a bad investment if we no longer enjoy them. I bought two K3s in 2008, and ten years later, I'm still quite happy with them, both because of their original quality and design, and because I've upgraded them with modules designed for the K3S. I've got "nearly K3S" radios for the added cost of less than $600 per radio (two RXs). 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Wing Nut Replacement
On 5/3/2019 4:38 PM, Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote: I decided to replace it with a brass knurled "thumb nut" which leaves a bit more room. Much of my gear leaves the shack for FD, CQP and 7QP county expeditions. I make short (1-2 inches) #10 stranded jumpers with a good lug on one end and a green power pole on the other. Each lug can have two or more jumpers with power poles so that bonds can be daisy-chained with suitably long green jumpers. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Good Evening, QSB plus a roaring background made copy interesting. But with a few repeats things went fine. Outdoor activities were discussed with food prominent in some of them. It was sunny here with enough wind to keep the few biting flies off my scent. Some insects use infrared while others track carbon dioxide. Wind foils them all. On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z: NO8V - John - MI K4TO - Dave - KY K6XK - Roy - IA K0DTJ - Brian - CA W0CZ - Ken - ND On 7047.5 kHz at z: K0DTJ - Brian - CA K6PJV - Dale - CA W6JHB - Jim - CA QSB was especially deep during the forty meter net. S2 to S8 or S0 to S9. The noise level increased as the band passed over us. Hopefully the roaring is a sign of increased solar wind. In a week that repeat sunspot should be lined up with us. I will close with a link to some historic cheese factories. You never know who has the freshest curds. Until next week 73, Kevin. KD5ONS http://www.mthorebhistory.org/cheese-factories.html _ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PX3 problems
Also, the PX3 utility can't talk to the PX3 using "Test Communications". The path through the PX3 to the KX3 works. 73 Bill AE6JV On 5/5/19 at 7:33 PM, fra...@pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) wrote: I think these problems are chronic, and have been occurring off and on for at least a year. (I've been ignoring them because for most of the time I use my K3 and P3, or I'm operating FT8 and the PX3 doesn't matter. Also, I'm lazy.) Vertical smearing. It acts as if once a signal is displayed on the waterfall, it is displayed on every subsequent line of the waterfall. Everything is blurry as well. It seems to go away if I change bands on the KX3. Horizontal smearing. It acts as if the signals on the waterfall are being modulated by a weak signal so the they get wider. This widening makes a CW signal about 3 times wider. This issue comes and goes with no obvious cause/relation to other things. Any thoughts? Any fixes? 73 Bill AE6JV --- Bill Frantz| gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html --- Bill Frantz|The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum| Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Issues
I would open it up and reseat the ribbon cable connectors. If that doesn’t work, I’d save a config, EEINIT, and reload the config. I’ve had weird button behavior issues fixed by each of those. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On May 5, 2019, at 6:32 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > > I was working the in the NE QSO Party and found that 3 buttons on my KX3 > stopped working. I get no response from the MSG, PRE, and ATTN keys when I > either press or hold them. I know the MSG and PRE keys were working earlier > today when I set up a voice message to send my call sign. > > I haven't opened the case or anything similar. The buttons still fail when I > disconnect all the external cables and run the radio on the internal > batteries. I've only been pushing buttons and controlling the radio from my > Mac. > > I do have some issues also on the PX3, but I don't think they are related. > (Saved for another email.) > > Any ideas of what I should look at? (I'm in NH and don't have a full set of > tools. Just a multimeter and some small screwdrivers etc.) > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > --- > Bill Frantz| Concurrency is hard. 12 out | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | 10 programmers get it wrong. | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com |- Jeff Frantz | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] PX3 problems
I think these problems are chronic, and have been occurring off and on for at least a year. (I've been ignoring them because for most of the time I use my K3 and P3, or I'm operating FT8 and the PX3 doesn't matter. Also, I'm lazy.) Vertical smearing. It acts as if once a signal is displayed on the waterfall, it is displayed on every subsequent line of the waterfall. Everything is blurry as well. It seems to go away if I change bands on the KX3. Horizontal smearing. It acts as if the signals on the waterfall are being modulated by a weak signal so the they get wider. This widening makes a CW signal about 3 times wider. This issue comes and goes with no obvious cause/relation to other things. Any thoughts? Any fixes? 73 Bill AE6JV --- Bill Frantz| gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K2 - Bar Graph Erratic - New symptoms
This problem has been resolved. I was able to identify a poor solder joint on the bar graph IC. Reflowing the joint solved the problem. 73, Robie - AJ4F On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 8:57 PM Robie Elms wrote: > I posted several days ago about the bar graph (s meter & w meter) on my K2 > was erratic. I received suggestions suggesting changing the RF gain > control and re-doing the S meter calibration. Today i did the following: > > 1. carefully monitored the audio from K2 as the RF gain control was > rotated and found it to be smooth and without dead spots etc. > > 2. checked the AGC threshold and found it to be 3.8 v. in the CAL S LO > mode found the settings to be per the S-meter alignment procedure. > > 3. in the CAL S HI mode i could not get segments past the 2 left most ones > to eliminate. Left adjustment as found > > 4. In the transmit mode only the 2 left most segments illuminate > regardless of the power setting. Placing the Display in RF mode the output > power varies smoothly from 0.1 to well over 10 watts. However, the bar > graph never illuminates more than the 2 left most segments. > > 5. this seems to suggest an issue with the front panel board associated > with the bar graph display. Any suggestions on next steps, what to look > for on the board or other ideas? > > Thanks in advance, > > Robie - AJ4F > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
That's the reason I purchased my K3S, P3, KPA500 and KAT500 all within the past 2 years. At 77 years young, I figure it will be my last ham radio station until I'm QRT. I used a P-Touch and put a nice label with the model, s/n, and price paid and my call on each of the boxes. I figure in the end some auctioneer will sell it for $0.01 on the dollar if lucky. "You know that McGraw fellow was one of them CB operators and had some weird looking equipment". And furthermore, for the same reason, I liquidated my shop test equipment. I wanted to enjoy the benefits of the money while still on the green side of the grass, as opposed to looking up at the roots from inside of a satin lined coffin. "Beam me up Scottie, there's no intelligent life here". Chuck me in the oven and toss my ashes to the wind. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 5/5/2019 5:21 PM, EricJ wrote: K1's often go for more than they cost as a new kit. K2's have held there value very well. Wait til you find out your kids usually throw all your ham gear in a dumpster when you go permanent QRT. Eric KE6US __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] KX3 Issues
I was working the in the NE QSO Party and found that 3 buttons on my KX3 stopped working. I get no response from the MSG, PRE, and ATTN keys when I either press or hold them. I know the MSG and PRE keys were working earlier today when I set up a voice message to send my call sign. I haven't opened the case or anything similar. The buttons still fail when I disconnect all the external cables and run the radio on the internal batteries. I've only been pushing buttons and controlling the radio from my Mac. I do have some issues also on the PX3, but I don't think they are related. (Saved for another email.) Any ideas of what I should look at? (I'm in NH and don't have a full set of tools. Just a multimeter and some small screwdrivers etc.) 73 Bill AE6JV --- Bill Frantz| Concurrency is hard. 12 out | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | 10 programmers get it wrong. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |- Jeff Frantz | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3S filter for FT8?
I run FT8 wide open with a 4KHz bandwidth and the 13KHz FM filter in the K3. I would go even wider, but the K3 stops at 4KHz. The AM filter might be better, but there are only 5 filter slots, and I try to work in many modes. A really good day includes phone, CW, and digital QSOs. 73 Bill AE6JV On 5/5/19 at 2:54 PM, vf...@inkbox.net (Frank O'Donnell) wrote: I'm sure this is a well-covered question, but I'm getting so many hits on search terms that it's difficult to find past discussions. On the K3S or K3, what filter(s) are people finding optimal for FT8? Due to its popularity, it seems as though the FT8 bandwidth has been gradually widening. --- Bill Frantz|The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum| Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Prospective K4
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Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
There are dreamers and there are dreamers! Bert VE3NR On 5/5/2019 8:02 PM, Richards wrote: "... what can we expect the average value of a K3S to drop to once a K4 has spread its wings ?" About $15. Everyone will want the new model, so you won't get much for the old one! So ... Perhaps you should offer to sell your K3S to me now for as much as $100, and get it while the getting is good !!! ;-) ;-) OK? Besides, why do you think the K3S will lose ANY value with the introduction of a K4 model? The introduction of a new model does nothing to diminish the performance or value of an existing model, so the K3S should retain its current value after the introduction of a future K4 - it will do what it does for the price regardless of what new rig comes out. N'est ce pas ? Happy trails, Anonymous (K8JHR ) ___ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] when you are SK (was: Prospective K4)
No problem: my step-son is a ham - stuff will not be trashed though he might sell it. My 16-foot dish, on other hand, might see the recycler. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Prospective K4
"... what can we expect the average value of a K3S to drop to once a K4 has spread its wings ?" About $15. Everyone will want the new model, so you won't get much for the old one! So ... Perhaps you should offer to sell your K3S to me now for as much as $100, and get it while the getting is good !!! ;-) ;-) OK? Besides, why do you think the K3S will lose ANY value with the introduction of a K4 model? The introduction of a new model does nothing to diminish the performance or value of an existing model, so the K3S should retain its current value after the introduction of a future K4 - it will do what it does for the price regardless of what new rig comes out. N'est ce pas ? Happy trails, Anonymous (K8JHR ) ___ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] When you are SK - or better, before you go
This subject comes up from time to time, and it is worth considering. The idea of having a ham friend known to the family who could help with disposition is a very good idea. There is another, which I have mentioned before with the same caveat as now -- I can't give legal advice about estates and the like on a reflector, but I would suggest anyone who knows where they would like their gear to go -- to a school or a club or a friend or a family member, for example -- might ask their lawyer or whoever does their estate planning about something called a "Memorandum Disposition of Personal Property." It may have different names in different states, but it's generally available -- and in my view worth knowing about. Ted, KN1CBR -- Message: 16 Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 16:07:40 -0700 From: Steve Sergeant To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] when you are SK (was: Prospective K4) Message-ID: <899ee2f0-3574-8609-42d3-c8d7c50b3...@effable.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 OTOH, I know someone who bought a like-new KX3, fully equipped with all options, at an estate auction for $215.00. Some newbie ham got a "hand-up" getting started in HF with that deal. On 5/5/19 15:36 PM, David Christ wrote: > Authors often have literary executors to deal with their papers when they die. I might suggest that all of us work out an arrangement where one or more hams are identified to help with gear dispersal after we are gone. Make sure the spouse and heirs are informed of this. > > David K0LUM > >> On May 5, 2019, at 5:21 PM, EricJ wrote: >> >> Wait til you find out your kids usually throw all your ham gear in a dumpster when you go permanent QRT. >> >> Eric KE6US -- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3S filter for FT8?
> On the K3S or K3, what filter(s) are people finding optimal for FT8? The AM or FM filters allow setting a DSP bandwidth of slightly more than 4 KHz. WSJT-X handles that just fine and is handy when activity spreads out a bit. For me this is a carryover from dual mode JT65/JT9 activity predating both FT8 and now FT4. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-05-05 5:54 PM, Frank O'Donnell wrote: I'm sure this is a well-covered question, but I'm getting so many hits on search terms that it's difficult to find past discussions. On the K3S or K3, what filter(s) are people finding optimal for FT8? Due to its popularity, it seems as though the FT8 bandwidth has been gradually widening. Thanks and 73, Frank O'Donnell K6FOD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3S filter for FT8?
Having enabled 13kHz roofing filter for digital modes, i enlarge K3 DSP filter width to 4kHz for watching FT8/JT65 and PSKs. 73 de JH3SIF, Keith > 2019/05/06 8:02、Andy Durbin のメール: > > "However, having said that, there are some operators that go out to just > short of 3.0 KHz." > > I monitor with 4 kHz or 5 kHz bandwidth and sometime call up there just to > see if anyone thinks the same way I do.That's a habit formed when working > JT65+JT9. You sometimes find interesting stations to work well above 2.7 > kHz.Working out to 5 kHz is no issue with a TS-590 as long as WSJT-X and > the rig are configured for split. > > 73, > Andy, k3wyc > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K4
I have an early production KX3 built as a kit. (I also own a KX2). I don't know of any currently available transceiver that has all of the features of the KX3 which is now nearly 10 years old. Since my KX3 purchase, I have upgraded my computer at least four times. What is the usable life of a transceiver/radio hybrid? If Elecraft produces a K4 I will be interested, but if I am spending north of $4K for a radio, I want it to be in my shack longer than the next Intel microprocessor release. Am I making sense? AI6B *Bryan B. Brauer, PE* *Consulting Engineer* br...@bbbrauer.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
First, radios are like government spending, neither are investments; stocks and bonds are investments. Radios are toys, so we need to examine how much money we can afford to squander on playthings. Sorry, I can't predict the future but I can examine the past. In 1998, I bought a Kenwood TS-870SAT. It set me back $2575. Contrast that to my first K3 purchased ten years later for $2100! I subsequently sold the Kenwood for a thousand bucks, making my cost of ownership (in constant dollars) $1575. Amortized over 10 years that came out to 13 bucks a month. Now if the Kenwood had completely failed after 10 years (it didn't it was flawless, more than I can say for my Elecrafts) my monthly cost would have skyrocketed to $21/month. Hardly something to fret about. Now I have the K3 sitting of the floor with a K3S on the desk. I have no idea what the K3 is worth, or how much the introduction of the K3S lowered its value because it doesn't matter, I don't intend to sell it; I've learned to have a backup. If a K4 comes out in my lifetime and lowers the value of the K3S, so be it. I'll play with it until then. Wes N7WS On 5/5/2019 1:19 PM, Doug Hensley wrote: Has anyone got a good handle on how much the value of a K3 dropped after the K3S had established itself ? If so, what can we expect the average value of a K3S to drop once a K4 has spread its wings & shared its eggs ? And how much further down in value is that going to push the venerable old K3? To me the wishful thinking about a K4 is disconcerting. That much of my investment is going to go "poof" when a new model suddenly hits the market gives me cause to wonder if I knew what I was doing in the first place. YMMV but clairvoyant predictions are welcome Doug W5JV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Touch screens for a K4?
I guess I'm one of the touchscreen "negatories" but, yes, I have used a cellphone in the last 15 years. I've even used the Morse keyer app as a text input device, swiping between the dit and dah pads on the screen. Some things never get old... I just hope touchscreen input is used sparingly on a K4; namely, only where it offers an operational advantage. 73, Drew AF2Z On 05/05/19 18:43, Dr. William J. Schmidt wrote: "The "jury" seems split on touch-screen or manual controls. I suggest this as a compromise". Not that I'm a fan either. but one wonders how the staunch touch-screen negatories cope with ever changing real world like semi-modern (last 15 year+) cell phones (voting booths, car GPS interfaces, etc). or are we still using the ever popular Motorola bag phones? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] FS K3-100
K3 Ser# 6232 for sale 100w amp module New synthesizer No filters or other add-on modules Frank Kady K3 manual Elecraft K3 operating manual Just back from Elecraft where it was brought up to date, tuned, and given a clean bill of health. "Equals or exceeds original specifications." Elecraft maintenance certificate included. This radio was used at my base QTH for the last several years. No out of country excursions. No smoking. No abuse. Mint condition. I will pay shipping within continental US and Canada. Outside USA/Canada, I will pay that portion of shipping from my QTH [Syracuse NY] to nearest port of entry. Price: best offer of $1200.00 US or more; two week bidding window. If duplicate offers, earliest offer accepted. Payment: money order or bank check. For personal checks, I will hold the radio until check clears. If you have any questions, please email me. I just bought a K3S, and this K3 is surplus to my needs. It's a really fine radio. You'll like it. ...robert KE2WY -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rc...@verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] when you are SK (was: Prospective K4)
OTOH, I know someone who bought a like-new KX3, fully equipped with all options, at an estate auction for $215.00. Some newbie ham got a "hand-up" getting started in HF with that deal. On 5/5/19 15:36 PM, David Christ wrote: > Authors often have literary executors to deal with their papers when they > die. I might suggest that all of us work out an arrangement where one or > more hams are identified to help with gear dispersal after we are gone. Make > sure the spouse and heirs are informed of this. > > David K0LUM > >> On May 5, 2019, at 5:21 PM, EricJ wrote: >> >> Wait til you find out your kids usually throw all your ham gear in a >> dumpster when you go permanent QRT. >> >> Eric KE6US __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3S filter for FT8?
"However, having said that, there are some operators that go out to just short of 3.0 KHz." I monitor with 4 kHz or 5 kHz bandwidth and sometime call up there just to see if anyone thinks the same way I do.That's a habit formed when working JT65+JT9. You sometimes find interesting stations to work well above 2.7 kHz. Working out to 5 kHz is no issue with a TS-590 as long as WSJT-X and the rig are configured for split. 73, Andy, k3wyc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3S filter for FT8?
I find 2.7 kHz to be optimized. The software does the heavy lifting. And the software has limits on the low and high frequency tones. If you use the new FT-4 mode it uses slightly different frequencies on each band. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On May 5, 2019, at 4:54 PM, Frank O'Donnell wrote: > > I'm sure this is a well-covered question, but I'm getting so many hits on > search terms that it's difficult to find past discussions. > > On the K3S or K3, what filter(s) are people finding optimal for FT8? Due to > its popularity, it seems as though the FT8 bandwidth has been gradually > widening. > > Thanks and 73, > > Frank O'Donnell K6FOD > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Touch screens for a K4?
"The "jury" seems split on touch-screen or manual controls. I suggest this as a compromise". Not that I'm a fan either. but one wonders how the staunch touch-screen negatories cope with ever changing real world like semi-modern (last 15 year+) cell phones (voting booths, car GPS interfaces, etc). or are we still using the ever popular Motorola bag phones? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4 (when you are SK)
Authors often have literary executors to deal with their papers when they die. I might suggest that all of us work out an arrangement where one or more hams are identified to help with gear dispersal after we are gone. Make sure the spouse and heirs are informed of this. David K0LUM > On May 5, 2019, at 5:21 PM, EricJ wrote: > > Wait til you find out your kids usually throw all your ham gear in a dumpster > when you go permanent QRT. > > Eric KE6US __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
And it's best to remember that Elecraft rigs are products...perhaps tools, but not investments. Maybe 50 or 100 years from now, they will be "collectibles" and become an investment (of sorts) at that point. You might be spending your hard earned money on an Elecraft rig, but you are not investing. Investments either appreciate in value, return dividends, or both. 73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211 -Original Message- From: David Gilbert To: elecraft Sent: Sun, May 5, 2019 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4 If you based your buying decision on whether or not it would hold value as an investment instead of whether or not it met your needs, then yes, I think you may not have properly considered everything. Dave AB7E On 5/5/2019 1:19 PM, Doug Hensley wrote: > Has anyone got a good handle on how much the value of a K3 dropped after the > K3S had established itself ? > > If so, what can we expect the average value of a K3S to drop once a K4 has > spread its wings & shared its eggs ? And how much further down in value is > that going to push the venerable old K3? > > To me the wishful thinking about a K4 is disconcerting. That much of my > investment is going to go "poof" when a new model suddenly hits the market > gives me cause to wonder if I knew what I was doing in the first place. YMMV > but clairvoyant predictions are welcome > > Doug W5JV > > > > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
Elecraft has been good about keeping earlier products available, at least until some part becomes impossible for them to source. I sincerely hope the K3s remains among the product offerings, as a new bigger radio will be less suitable for some portable uses even if it is designesd with portability in mind. This would also help the resale value of the K3(s). Generally, I see Elecraft radios holding their value much better than other brands in the face of new model releases. 73, Erik K7TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3S filter for FT8?
Frank, All of FT8 is supposed to fit in a voice grade channel, 2.1 KHz -3.0KHz. The S/N numbers you see are referenced to a 2.5 KHz. B/W. However, having said that, there are some operators that go out to just short of 3.0 KHz. I leave my receiver open to this larger number. If your question is really asking what is the signal bandwidth that is a different question than I just answered. My recommendation is to set your DSP bandwidth, the knob selectable B/W, equal to the roofing filter B/W plus just a little and not worry too much about it. You will see the majority of signals and the software will see the available calls and stations calling you. The downside is greater interference and some AGC issues caused by some station you really didn't want to work anyway. I'm not trying to be glib in answering you in the latter part of my comment above, but there is no easy single answer. I do believe most everyone is operating as I do, within the SSB filters of their radio. 73, Barry K3NDM -- Original Message -- From: "Frank O'Donnell" To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" Sent: 5/5/2019 5:54:34 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3S filter for FT8? I'm sure this is a well-covered question, but I'm getting so many hits on search terms that it's difficult to find past discussions. On the K3S or K3, what filter(s) are people finding optimal for FT8? Due to its popularity, it seems as though the FT8 bandwidth has been gradually widening. Thanks and 73, Frank O'Donnell K6FOD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
K1's often go for more than they cost as a new kit. K2's have held there value very well. Wait til you find out your kids usually throw all your ham gear in a dumpster when you go permanent QRT. Eric KE6US On 5/5/2019 1:19 PM, Doug Hensley wrote: Has anyone got a good handle on how much the value of a K3 dropped after the K3S had established itself ? If so, what can we expect the average value of a K3S to drop once a K4 has spread its wings & shared its eggs ? And how much further down in value is that going to push the venerable old K3? To me the wishful thinking about a K4 is disconcerting. That much of my investment is going to go "poof" when a new model suddenly hits the market gives me cause to wonder if I knew what I was doing in the first place. YMMV but clairvoyant predictions are welcome Doug W5JV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3S filter for FT8?
I'm sure this is a well-covered question, but I'm getting so many hits on search terms that it's difficult to find past discussions. On the K3S or K3, what filter(s) are people finding optimal for FT8? Due to its popularity, it seems as though the FT8 bandwidth has been gradually widening. Thanks and 73, Frank O'Donnell K6FOD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
If you based your buying decision on whether or not it would hold value as an investment instead of whether or not it met your needs, then yes, I think you may not have properly considered everything. Dave AB7E On 5/5/2019 1:19 PM, Doug Hensley wrote: Has anyone got a good handle on how much the value of a K3 dropped after the K3S had established itself ? If so, what can we expect the average value of a K3S to drop once a K4 has spread its wings & shared its eggs ? And how much further down in value is that going to push the venerable old K3? To me the wishful thinking about a K4 is disconcerting. That much of my investment is going to go "poof" when a new model suddenly hits the market gives me cause to wonder if I knew what I was doing in the first place. YMMV but clairvoyant predictions are welcome Doug W5JV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
Here we go again with K4 Talk The "jury" seems split on touch-screen or manual controls. I suggest this as a compromise: Provide basic radio (say 50w with 13.8v output devices for portable use). I bought a K3/10 to start out. Then a KXPA100. Offer 200w 50v final as option. Basic radio would have manual controls like the K3/K3s. Offer a touch-screen option which would include P3 capability in a separate cabinet with mouse/keyboard I/F. Keep the firmware concept flexible with upgrades with an efficient cpu and OS. Have IQ baseband output for running various digital modes on customer's computers (maybe with wifi so one could use an ipad or equivalent). Or maybe bluetooth. I'm sure wireless is a rapidly changing field so will not speculate what would be best. USB computer I/F like the K3s 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
I for one would not have a touch screen on a radio..Keep the radio as it is with add-ons..Come out with a touch screen like the P3 with added features. I like the fact you can add a keyboard now with the rig..Keep it modular where you can add it if want it..For god sake don't be like the others..THIS IS WHAT GOT YOU WHERE YOU ARE NOW!! Different and outstanding! 73s Bob W5RG On Sunday, May 5, 2019, 3:31:01 PM EDT, turnbull wrote: Wayne, Please keep it modular. This helps with price; building what one desires and repairability. The modular design of the K3/S allowed updates. Elecraft have master engineers. 100W is plenty for me. I can always add an amp. We are all different. Please stay with external power supplies.The large screen external VDU is excellent for the P3. I like the external P3. A panadaptor is not needed in many operations but it is a truly useful feature.Please keep the pod.Maybe there can be further enhancement for digi modes.You already have a great and probably the best radio. You are now climbing Everest good thing you like getting into the hills.GL 73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: Wayne Burdick Date: 05/05/2019 13:11 (GMT-05:00) To: pu...@af2z.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4 > Drew AF2Z wrote:> > I've never doubted that Elecraft would produce a great CW rig, if not the best!> > The only thing I'd be concerned about is the operator interface. Not really looking forward to touchscreen controls here, though I suppose they are inevitable in modern rigs.Touch/mouse would provide a lot of flexibility. The trick would be to use "real" controls for things you do most often, and make sparing use of touch for basic operation. Of course touch has some cool aspects like tap/drag, pinch/spread, etc., that can be applied to new features such as an advanced panadapter. > > I think modern rigs could benefit by having an optional keyboard interface-- no need of an intermediary computer, just a dedicated plug-in (or wireless) keyboard that could be used to access all the rig controls and menu items.Definitely.> I wonder if Elecraft will stick with the high portability/low power consumption design. Those things aren't really important to me. I wouldn't mind a larger rig.We're dedicated to providing gear that won't break your back, runs efficiently, and can be used for portable applications when needed (Field Day, DXpeditions, emcomm, RV, etc.). A new radio would have be somewhat bigger to accommodate a large display, but it would not have to be twice as large, weigh 2 to 3 times as much, or consume 3 to 4 times as much power as a K3S. All of the K3S's newer competitors have one or more of these non-portable characteristics, and some have all three.73,WayneN6KR__Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 181, Issue 4
After an Orion, O2–now 2 K3’s, I want an O3! See no possibility of anO3. The K3 is a super radio until one hears clicking in earphones while running 7QP in full breakin. That was not a factor in the O’s. For those of us with bigger hands/fingers the K3 is not optimum. Also too many menus. Nothing on the present market suits me, though the K3 is on my desk. Make a K4 bigger with many fewer menus. I am not interested in hauling my radio around the world, so bigger suits me just fine. Add solid state keying to reduce clicking especially in earphones. I am a CW op. Give me an optimized CW rig with FSK and for others SSB. Jack AK7O Sent from XFINITY Connect App -- Original Message -- From: elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: May 5, 2019 at 1:53 PM Subject: Elecraft Digest, Vol 181, Issue 4 Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to elecraft@mailman.qth.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net You can reach the person managing the list at elecraft-ow...@mailman.qth.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Prospective K4 (Dave Sublette) 2. Re: Prospective K4 (Macy monkeys) 3. Just like -but- (Ken G Kopp) 4. Re: Prospective K4 (Grant Youngman) 5. Re: Prospective K4 (Drew AF2Z) 6. Re: Prospective K4 (Bert Craig) 7. Re: Prospective K4 (Wayne Burdick) 8. Re: Prospective K4 (W1GO (Joe)) 9. Re: Prospective K4 (Gary K9GS) 10. KX3 signal source (Frederick Dwight) 11. Re: Prospective K4 (Wayne Burdick) 12. Re: Prospective K4 (Wes) 13. Re: Prospective K4 (Mike Markowski) 14. Re: Prospective K4 (Bill Steffey) 15. Re: Prospective K4 (Wayne Burdick) 16. Re: Prospective K4 (Scott Manthe) 17. Re: Prospective K4 (John Oppenheimer) 18. Re: Prospective K4 (Rose) 19. Re: Prospective K4 (Szab? Istv?n) 20. Re: Prospective K4 (turnbull) 21. Elecraft SSB Net for Sunday April 28-2019 (Eric Lanzl) 22. Elecraft SSB Net log 5-5-2019 (Eric Lanzl) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 11:42:16 -0400 From: Dave Sublette To: Elecraft Discussion List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" My personal opinion is Flex is too much computer. I hate computers. My operating time has done n nothing but decrease since I bought a computer. This is ham RADIO, not ham computer. And while I'm at it, You kids get off my lawn!! 73, Dave, K4TO On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 11:37 AM Joseph Trombino, Jr wrote:>Howdy Gang.>>I?ve built and owned Elecraft gear since 1999.>>Still have my KX3 and KX2.>>I bought a Flex 6600M rig and it was the best radio I?ve owned in years.>>But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode>and used the internal ATU a loud relay would start clicking when sending CW>characters, messing with the normally quiet QSK changeover from RX to TX.>>The reason given for this firmware change was that when the ATU was>engaged in full QSK mode the receive signals would be 10db down as opposed>to zero db loss without the tuner in line.>>To be honest I never noticed this problem but Flex, in all of their>wisdom, made the disruptive change.>>IMHO this firmware change completely ruined a very FB CW rig.>>Perhaps the folks at Flex are not as CW-centric as the Elecraft folks.>>In terms of a K4 I would certainly love to see a beautiful 8? or large>front panel display.>>This is the direction all modern radios are going?.just look at the>YaeCommWood offerings plus the Sun MB1 rig.>>While the P3 and PX3 displays are OK, a full 8? or larger hi-res display>is breathtaking and extremely useful.>>So, why not a K4 with a big hi-res screen?>>I?m ready for it?make it happen!!>>73, Joe W2KJ>I QRP, therefore I aim>On May 5, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Rose wrote:Bert,Then why not just purchase the Flex?73 !K0PPOn Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote:>I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF>rig>>>purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on>the>>>Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical>>>progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a>>>FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd>>>personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions?>>https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings>>Vy 73 de Bert>>>WA2SI>>>__>>>Elecraft mailing list>>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>>>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm>>>Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net>>This list hosted by:
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
Has anyone got a good handle on how much the value of a K3 dropped after the K3S had established itself ? If so, what can we expect the average value of a K3S to drop once a K4 has spread its wings & shared its eggs ? And how much further down in value is that going to push the venerable old K3? To me the wishful thinking about a K4 is disconcerting. That much of my investment is going to go "poof" when a new model suddenly hits the market gives me cause to wonder if I knew what I was doing in the first place. YMMV but clairvoyant predictions are welcome Doug W5JV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
> for efficient for 5W and 20W to 50W operation. This is not what is needed in a top of the line transceiver. Give me a 48V final capable of 200 W CW/SSB/FSK and forget about low power consumption portable operation. The KX2/K3/K3/K3S already serves the low power/portable niche. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-05-05 3:00 PM, John Oppenheimer wrote: And easy on a battery for field operation, < 400mA Receive and optimal PA biasing for efficient for 5W and 20W to 50W operation. John KN5L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net log 5-5-2019
Here is the log for today's SSB Net. Thanks for checking in to the net. Conditions were difficult. Thank you to the relay stations for your help. Elecraft SSB Net 5-5-2019 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 NetControl NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 Relay station K7BRR Bill AZ K3S 10939 KO5V Jim NM K2/100 7225 N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318 K6WDE David CA KX3 4599 W7QHD Kurt AZ K2/100 1538 WW4JF John TN K3S 11177 WM6T Tracy CA K3S 10299 WM6P Steve GA K3S 11453 Relay station KB9AVO Paul IN K3S 11103 K7JG John WA KX3 3519 WD0AKZ George MN KX3 4830 AE1E Ken TX KX3 9582 W4DML Doug TN K3 6433 AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 N0RU Robb CO Kenwood 599D 1st time check in K0BE Barbara CO KX3 1356 NC0JW’s wife newly licensed extra and VE. Congratulationsand welcome __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net for Sunday April 28-2019
Here is the list of stations from the net last Sunday. Sorry for the delay in posting. Elecraft SSB Net 4-28-2019 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 NetControl NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 Relay station WM6P Steve GA K3S 11453 Relay station N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318 Relay station K8NU/P Carl OH FT 2000 Remote in Washington state K1NW Brian RI K3 4974 N7BDL Terry AZ K3S 10873 WB8PKK Ken MA ICOM 7600 KPA 500 1st timecheck in W7QHD Kurt AZ K2/100 1538 K7JG John WA KX3 3519 K7BRR Bill AZ K3S 10939 WD0AKZ George MN KX3 4830 K6VWE Stan MI K3 650 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
Wayne, Please keep it modular. This helps with price; building what one desires and repairability. The modular design of the K3/S allowed updates. Elecraft have master engineers. 100W is plenty for me. I can always add an amp. We are all different. Please stay with external power supplies.The large screen external VDU is excellent for the P3. I like the external P3. A panadaptor is not needed in many operations but it is a truly useful feature.Please keep the pod.Maybe there can be further enhancement for digi modes.You already have a great and probably the best radio. You are now climbing Everest good thing you like getting into the hills.GL 73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: Wayne Burdick Date: 05/05/2019 13:11 (GMT-05:00) To: pu...@af2z.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4 > Drew AF2Z wrote:> > I've never doubted that Elecraft would produce a great CW rig, if not the best!> > The only thing I'd be concerned about is the operator interface. Not really looking forward to touchscreen controls here, though I suppose they are inevitable in modern rigs.Touch/mouse would provide a lot of flexibility. The trick would be to use "real" controls for things you do most often, and make sparing use of touch for basic operation. Of course touch has some cool aspects like tap/drag, pinch/spread, etc., that can be applied to new features such as an advanced panadapter. > > I think modern rigs could benefit by having an optional keyboard interface-- no need of an intermediary computer, just a dedicated plug-in (or wireless) keyboard that could be used to access all the rig controls and menu items.Definitely.> I wonder if Elecraft will stick with the high portability/low power consumption design. Those things aren't really important to me. I wouldn't mind a larger rig.We're dedicated to providing gear that won't break your back, runs efficiently, and can be used for portable applications when needed (Field Day, DXpeditions, emcomm, RV, etc.). A new radio would have be somewhat bigger to accommodate a large display, but it would not have to be twice as large, weigh 2 to 3 times as much, or consume 3 to 4 times as much power as a K3S. All of the K3S's newer competitors have one or more of these non-portable characteristics, and some have all three.73,WayneN6KR__Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
Many HAMs use transceiver with language barrier. That goes so far that they use it with one setup, that might be the wrong one for a given frequency or antenna or mode. With Windows they choose their own language when they set up the PC to make the life easier. That may not work every time, like my case I could not set up Fldigi on Hungarian keyboard PC though W10 was English. So moved to a second PC. With SDR trx that option will never happen so they insist on simple radios, asking for manual translation For those a very simple menu system is welcome. K3 is a good, keep that practice, no multilevel menus are received well. Complicated SDR is not for them. Just thoughts. 73, István ha4zd __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
Well said, Scott 73 K0PP On Sun, May 5, 2019, 12:29 Scott Manthe wrote: > Elecraft's design philosophy is based on efficiency and portability. If > an 8 inch screen could be made to be efficient enough to use in the > filed, I see no reason why Elecraft couldn't incorporate it into a new > rig. However, I don't think you're going to see Elecraft doing what > every other company is doing. I for one don't want a transceiver > dependent on a computer, like the Flex, or a 55 pound behemoth like the > IC7600 or Kenwood TS990, etc. Lot's of people do, and those radios are > available to them. I don't think Elecraft is going to make one, though. > > I'm guessing the K4, or whatever Elecraft decides to call the new rig, > will be fully "modern," but stick with Elecraft's design and performance > principles. I have no idea what that will entail, but I'd bet we'll see > lots of modularity and terrific performance. > > 73, > Scott N9AA > > > On 5/5/19 11:54 AM, Macy monkeys wrote: > > 8" display with 3D spectrum scope. I'm enjoying it on the FTDX101D while > I wait for the K4... > > > > John K7FD > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
And easy on a battery for field operation, < 400mA Receive and optimal PA biasing for efficient for 5W and 20W to 50W operation. John KN5L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
Elecraft's design philosophy is based on efficiency and portability. If an 8 inch screen could be made to be efficient enough to use in the filed, I see no reason why Elecraft couldn't incorporate it into a new rig. However, I don't think you're going to see Elecraft doing what every other company is doing. I for one don't want a transceiver dependent on a computer, like the Flex, or a 55 pound behemoth like the IC7600 or Kenwood TS990, etc. Lot's of people do, and those radios are available to them. I don't think Elecraft is going to make one, though. I'm guessing the K4, or whatever Elecraft decides to call the new rig, will be fully "modern," but stick with Elecraft's design and performance principles. I have no idea what that will entail, but I'd bet we'll see lots of modularity and terrific performance. 73, Scott N9AA On 5/5/19 11:54 AM, Macy monkeys wrote: 8" display with 3D spectrum scope. I'm enjoying it on the FTDX101D while I wait for the K4... John K7FD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
Most “pure” SDRs (using wideband direct sampling and no crystal filters) process all incoming receive samples in large packets.This provides some economies of scale for signal processing algorithms, but it does impact latency. In some cases the impact can be dramatic – like 100 to 200 ms QSK delays. An alternative is to process only the pan adapter data in large packets. If such data is only being used for a spectral display, the latency is not an issue. In CW mode or in other situations where latency must be low, time-domain DSP routines can optionally be used for processing data from the slices (signal channels) used for demodulation. Latency as low as just a few milliseconds is then possible, contingent on the level of filtering required. Filtering trade offs can be automated, e.g. in proportion to the QSK delay setting. Wayne elecraft.com > On May 5, 2019, at 10:50 AM, Mike Markowski wrote: > > Hi Wayne, > >> On 5/5/19 1:03 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Grant Youngman wrote: >>> Flex has always had issues with CW — QSK with too much latency to work to, >>> now, clunky QSK? >> That latency is due to processing even the demodulation channels in the >> frequency domain. > > Can you explain this a little more? It's probably clear to many, but not me. > :-) I think of 'channel' as the RF channel, but this is used differently. A > demod channel as opposed to what other sorts of channels? > > Also, since an fft/ifft change over between frequency and time is the norm in > SDRs, why does it matter at what point processing is performed? > > Not doubting, wanting to understand. Tnx es 73. > Mike ab3ap > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
using 50V devices... and predistortion..( probaby an internal upverter for the 50V) = very low distortion On 5/5/2019 1:04 PM, Gary K9GS wrote: While we're providing input.200W all mode continuous duty outputExternal 48V power supply73,Gary K9GS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
Hi Wayne, On 5/5/19 1:03 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Grant Youngman wrote: Flex has always had issues with CW — QSK with too much latency to work to, now, clunky QSK? That latency is due to processing even the demodulation channels in the frequency domain. Can you explain this a little more? It's probably clear to many, but not me. :-) I think of 'channel' as the RF channel, but this is used differently. A demod channel as opposed to what other sorts of channels? Also, since an fft/ifft change over between frequency and time is the norm in SDRs, why does it matter at what point processing is performed? Not doubting, wanting to understand. Tnx es 73. Mike ab3ap __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
How are you liking the radio performance wise? I assume you have a K3 with which to compare. Wes N7WS On 5/5/2019 8:54 AM, Macy monkeys wrote: 8" display with 3D spectrum scope. I'm enjoying it on the FTDX101D while I wait for the K4... John K7FD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
> Drew AF2Z wrote: > > I've never doubted that Elecraft would produce a great CW rig, if not the > best! > > The only thing I'd be concerned about is the operator interface. Not really > looking forward to touchscreen controls here, though I suppose they are > inevitable in modern rigs. Touch/mouse would provide a lot of flexibility. The trick would be to use "real" controls for things you do most often, and make sparing use of touch for basic operation. Of course touch has some cool aspects like tap/drag, pinch/spread, etc., that can be applied to new features such as an advanced panadapter. > > I think modern rigs could benefit by having an optional keyboard interface-- > no need of an intermediary computer, just a dedicated plug-in (or wireless) > keyboard that could be used to access all the rig controls and menu items. Definitely. > I wonder if Elecraft will stick with the high portability/low power > consumption design. Those things aren't really important to me. I wouldn't > mind a larger rig. We're dedicated to providing gear that won't break your back, runs efficiently, and can be used for portable applications when needed (Field Day, DXpeditions, emcomm, RV, etc.). A new radio would have be somewhat bigger to accommodate a large display, but it would not have to be twice as large, weigh 2 to 3 times as much, or consume 3 to 4 times as much power as a K3S. All of the K3S's newer competitors have one or more of these non-portable characteristics, and some have all three. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] KX3 signal source
If your Siglent does not have enough second harmonic energy, the idea presented to just hang a 1N914 across the output is a good idea except most of the harmonic energy generated will be on the odd harmonics. So if you need a stronger signal just tune your Siglent to 1/3 of 50 mHz which is 16. etc mHz. The third (and 5th, 7th, etc ) harmonics should be plenty strong. You may need to crank your Siglent up a bit to get the desired diode action. In theory this idea should work. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
While we're providing input.200W all mode continuous duty outputExternal 48V power supply73,Gary K9GS Original message From: Bert Craig Date: 5/5/19 11:52 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Rose , Wayne Burdick Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4 Tnx Wayne! This is pretty much it in a nutshell. I appreciate this "designed-by-CW-ops" ideology.Vy 73 de BertWA2SI-Original Message-From: Wayne Burdick To: Rose Cc: Bert Craig , Elecraft Reflector Sent: Sun, 05 May 2019 11:40Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4All future Elecraft radios will have the same “designed-by-CW-ops” performance, and the same attention to detail in CW controls, regardless of any new technology we incorporate. They will have to pass our own rigorous testing. And they will certainly not exhibit any of the deficiencies mention in the referenced thread. 73,WayneN6KRelecraft.com> On May 5, 2019, at 8:16 AM, Rose wrote:> > Bert,> > Then why not just purchase the Flex?> > 73 !> > K0PP> >> On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote:>> >> I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig>> purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the>> Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical>> progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a>> FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd>> personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions?>> >> https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings>> >> Vy 73 de Bert>> WA2SI>> __>> Elecraft mailing list>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net>> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html>> > __> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html__Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
History is replete with examples of companies that refused, at their own peril, to embrace emerging technologies. This stubbornness, I suspect, was born out of a sense of technological arrogance. In the early 1970s, the Swiss watch industry, enamored with their mechanical movements, refused to embrace quartz technology. That decision would result in decades of rapidly declining Swiss watch sales. The ultimate irony is that today many Swiss watches make use of Citizen internal movements. Conversely, there are companies like Apple. Apple, was able to leverage existing technologies and make them “better” for their end-customer. In other words, confront the paradigm shift head-on, know what your end-customers will most value (even if they don’t know it today) and positively exploit the emerging technologies. Elecraft is more of an Apple than it is a Swiss watch company. I have no doubt they will positively exploit emerging technologies and deliver products with features that we haven’t even thought about today. Have faith, all. And, by the way, as we wait, we’ll just "have to live with" our worldclass transceivers; not a bad position to be in if you ask me. 73, Joe W1GO > On May 5, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote: > > I've never doubted that Elecraft would produce a great CW rig, if not the > best! > > The only thing I'd be concerned about is the operator interface. Not really > looking forward to touchscreen controls here, though I suppose they are > inevitable in modern rigs. And I don't care to have my rig dependent on a > computer either. > > I think modern rigs could benefit by having an optional keyboard interface-- > no need of an intermediary computer, just a dedicated plug-in (or wireless) > keyboard that could be used to access all the rig controls and menu items. A > slash command system like the old Lotus 123 spreadsheet of the 80's would be > highly efficient allowing access to any corner of the rig's control space > with just a few keystrokes. Also the possibility for the operator to > macro-tize everything to his heart's content... > > I wonder if Elecraft will stick with the high portability/low power > consumption design. Those things aren't really important to me. I wouldn't > mind a larger rig. > > 73, > Drew > AF2Z > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
Grant Youngman wrote: > >>> >>> But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode and >>> used the internal ATU a loud relay would start clicking when sending CW >>> characters, messing with the normally quiet QSK changeover from RX to TX. >>> > > Lousy QSK makes it a non-starter. It certainly would for me :) > Flex has always had issues with CW — QSK with too much latency to work to, > now, clunky QSK? That latency is due to processing even the demodulation channels in the frequency domain. > And the Sun looks nice, but I would never buy a radio hanging its hat on > Microsoft, especially on Windows 10. Agreed. If a radio has an internal computer, it had better be transparent to the operator, including not taking forever to boot up and not being subject to problematic software upgrades. Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
Tnx Wayne! This is pretty much it in a nutshell. I appreciate this "designed-by-CW-ops" ideology. Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI -Original Message- From: Wayne Burdick To: Rose Cc: Bert Craig , Elecraft Reflector Sent: Sun, 05 May 2019 11:40 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4 All future Elecraft radios will have the same “designed-by-CW-ops” performance, and the same attention to detail in CW controls, regardless of any new technology we incorporate. They will have to pass our own rigorous testing. And they will certainly not exhibit any of the deficiencies mention in the referenced thread. 73, Wayne N6KR elecraft.com > On May 5, 2019, at 8:16 AM, Rose wrote: > > Bert, > > Then why not just purchase the Flex? > > 73 ! > > K0PP > >> On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote: >> >> I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig >> purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the >> Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical >> progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a >> FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd >> personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions? >> >> https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings >> >> Vy 73 de Bert >> WA2SI >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
I've never doubted that Elecraft would produce a great CW rig, if not the best! The only thing I'd be concerned about is the operator interface. Not really looking forward to touchscreen controls here, though I suppose they are inevitable in modern rigs. And I don't care to have my rig dependent on a computer either. I think modern rigs could benefit by having an optional keyboard interface-- no need of an intermediary computer, just a dedicated plug-in (or wireless) keyboard that could be used to access all the rig controls and menu items. A slash command system like the old Lotus 123 spreadsheet of the 80's would be highly efficient allowing access to any corner of the rig's control space with just a few keystrokes. Also the possibility for the operator to macro-tize everything to his heart's content... I wonder if Elecraft will stick with the high portability/low power consumption design. Those things aren't really important to me. I wouldn't mind a larger rig. 73, Drew AF2Z On 05/05/19 11:42, Dave Sublette wrote: My personal opinion is Flex is too much computer. I hate computers. My operating time has done n nothing but decrease since I bought a computer. This is ham RADIO, not ham computer. And while I'm at it, You kids get off my lawn!! 73, Dave, K4TO On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 11:37 AM Joseph Trombino, Jr wrote: Howdy Gang. I’ve built and owned Elecraft gear since 1999. Still have my KX3 and KX2. I bought a Flex 6600M rig and it was the best radio I’ve owned in years. But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode and used the internal ATU a loud relay would start clicking when sending CW characters, messing with the normally quiet QSK changeover from RX to TX. The reason given for this firmware change was that when the ATU was engaged in full QSK mode the receive signals would be 10db down as opposed to zero db loss without the tuner in line. To be honest I never noticed this problem but Flex, in all of their wisdom, made the disruptive change. IMHO this firmware change completely ruined a very FB CW rig. Perhaps the folks at Flex are not as CW-centric as the Elecraft folks. In terms of a K4 I would certainly love to see a beautiful 8” or large front panel display. This is the direction all modern radios are going….just look at the YaeCommWood offerings plus the Sun MB1 rig. While the P3 and PX3 displays are OK, a full 8” or larger hi-res display is breathtaking and extremely useful. So, why not a K4 with a big hi-res screen? I’m ready for it…make it happen!! 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I aim On May 5, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Rose wrote: Bert, Then why not just purchase the Flex? 73 ! K0PP On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote: I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions? https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
>> >> But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode and >> used the internal ATU a loud relay would start clicking when sending CW >> characters, messing with the normally quiet QSK changeover from RX to TX. >> Lousy QSK makes it a non-starter. Flex has always had issues with CW — QSK with too much latency to work to, now, clunky QSK? And the Sun looks nice, but I would never buy a radio hanging its hat on Microsoft, especially on Windows 10. On buying that last retirement radio — I bought an Orion as my retirement radio. Then I bought an Orion II as my absolute last upgrade. Then I bought a well-appointed K3. It never really ends :-) A “breathtaking" display doesn’t necessarily make a radio any better. I guess if I'd come up in the iPhone generation I’d think differently about that. But we’ll see — a K4 would have to be a markedly better RADIO first. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Just like -but- ....
If brand XXX is your desire, why not simply buy brand X? Seems to me like the intent is to make brand Y into brand X. Simply a case of blondes, brunets and redheads … or Chevy, Ford and Plymouth ... 73! Ken - K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
8" display with 3D spectrum scope. I'm enjoying it on the FTDX101D while I wait for the K4... John K7FD > On May 5, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Joseph Trombino, Jr wrote: > > Howdy Gang. > > I’ve built and owned Elecraft gear since 1999. > > Still have my KX3 and KX2. > > I bought a Flex 6600M rig and it was the best radio I’ve owned in years. > > But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode and > used the internal ATU a loud relay would start clicking when sending CW > characters, messing with the normally quiet QSK changeover from RX to TX. > > The reason given for this firmware change was that when the ATU was engaged > in full QSK mode the receive signals would be 10db down as opposed to zero db > loss without the tuner in line. > > To be honest I never noticed this problem but Flex, in all of their wisdom, > made the disruptive change. > > IMHO this firmware change completely ruined a very FB CW rig. > > Perhaps the folks at Flex are not as CW-centric as the Elecraft folks. > > In terms of a K4 I would certainly love to see a beautiful 8” or large front > panel display. > > This is the direction all modern radios are going….just look at the > YaeCommWood offerings plus the Sun MB1 rig. > > While the P3 and PX3 displays are OK, a full 8” or larger hi-res display is > breathtaking and extremely useful. > > So, why not a K4 with a big hi-res screen? > > I’m ready for it…make it happen!! > >73, Joe W2KJ >I QRP, therefore I aim > > > >> On May 5, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Rose wrote: >> >> Bert, >> >> Then why not just purchase the Flex? >> >> 73 ! >> >> K0PP >> >>> On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote: >>> >>> I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig >>> purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the >>> Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical >>> progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a >>> FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd >>> personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions? >>> >>> https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings >>> >>> Vy 73 de Bert >>> WA2SI >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
My personal opinion is Flex is too much computer. I hate computers. My operating time has done n nothing but decrease since I bought a computer. This is ham RADIO, not ham computer. And while I'm at it, You kids get off my lawn!! 73, Dave, K4TO On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 11:37 AM Joseph Trombino, Jr wrote: > Howdy Gang. > > I’ve built and owned Elecraft gear since 1999. > > Still have my KX3 and KX2. > > I bought a Flex 6600M rig and it was the best radio I’ve owned in years. > > But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode > and used the internal ATU a loud relay would start clicking when sending CW > characters, messing with the normally quiet QSK changeover from RX to TX. > > The reason given for this firmware change was that when the ATU was > engaged in full QSK mode the receive signals would be 10db down as opposed > to zero db loss without the tuner in line. > > To be honest I never noticed this problem but Flex, in all of their > wisdom, made the disruptive change. > > IMHO this firmware change completely ruined a very FB CW rig. > > Perhaps the folks at Flex are not as CW-centric as the Elecraft folks. > > In terms of a K4 I would certainly love to see a beautiful 8” or large > front panel display. > > This is the direction all modern radios are going….just look at the > YaeCommWood offerings plus the Sun MB1 rig. > > While the P3 and PX3 displays are OK, a full 8” or larger hi-res display > is breathtaking and extremely useful. > > So, why not a K4 with a big hi-res screen? > > I’m ready for it…make it happen!! > > 73, Joe W2KJ > I QRP, therefore I aim > > > > > On May 5, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Rose wrote: > > > > Bert, > > > > Then why not just purchase the Flex? > > > > 73 ! > > > > K0PP > > > > On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote: > > > >> I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF > rig > >> purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on > the > >> Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical > >> progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a > >> FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd > >> personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions? > >> > >> https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings > >> > >> Vy 73 de Bert > >> WA2SI > >> __ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
All future Elecraft radios will have the same “designed-by-CW-ops” performance, and the same attention to detail in CW controls, regardless of any new technology we incorporate. They will have to pass our own rigorous testing. And they will certainly not exhibit any of the deficiencies mention in the referenced thread. 73, Wayne N6KR elecraft.com > On May 5, 2019, at 8:16 AM, Rose wrote: > > Bert, > > Then why not just purchase the Flex? > > 73 ! > > K0PP > >> On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote: >> >> I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig >> purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the >> Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical >> progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a >> FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd >> personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions? >> >> https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings >> >> Vy 73 de Bert >> WA2SI >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
Howdy Gang. I’ve built and owned Elecraft gear since 1999. Still have my KX3 and KX2. I bought a Flex 6600M rig and it was the best radio I’ve owned in years. But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode and used the internal ATU a loud relay would start clicking when sending CW characters, messing with the normally quiet QSK changeover from RX to TX. The reason given for this firmware change was that when the ATU was engaged in full QSK mode the receive signals would be 10db down as opposed to zero db loss without the tuner in line. To be honest I never noticed this problem but Flex, in all of their wisdom, made the disruptive change. IMHO this firmware change completely ruined a very FB CW rig. Perhaps the folks at Flex are not as CW-centric as the Elecraft folks. In terms of a K4 I would certainly love to see a beautiful 8” or large front panel display. This is the direction all modern radios are going….just look at the YaeCommWood offerings plus the Sun MB1 rig. While the P3 and PX3 displays are OK, a full 8” or larger hi-res display is breathtaking and extremely useful. So, why not a K4 with a big hi-res screen? I’m ready for it…make it happen!! 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I aim > On May 5, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Rose wrote: > > Bert, > > Then why not just purchase the Flex? > > 73 ! > > K0PP > > On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote: > >> I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig >> purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the >> Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical >> progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a >> FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd >> personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions? >> >> https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings >> >> Vy 73 de Bert >> WA2SI >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
Bert, Then why not just purchase the Flex? 73 ! K0PP On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote: > I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig > purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the > Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical > progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a > FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd > personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions? > > https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings > > Vy 73 de Bert > WA2SI > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Prospective K4
I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the Flex reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical progression from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a FlexRadio 6600M, but optimized for the discerning CW enthusiast. I'd personally love to see a K4 along those lines. Any thoughts or opinions? https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/flexradios-cw-failings Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Choice of signal source for KX3 extended temperature calibration?
I'ts been a while, but I did this just fine with the 50mhz harmonic from the thunderbolt. -- Phil W1JV On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 8:00 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > I'd hang a 1N914 diode across the output of the Siglent generator and > tune it to 25 MHz. The 2nd harmonic should be strong enough. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 5/2/2019 5:26 PM, Frank O'Donnell wrote: > > Which of the following two signal sources would enable the best > > results from the KX3's extended temperature calibration? > > > > --Elecraft's XG50 board, which puts out 49.380 MHz ± 5 ppm. > > > > -- Siglent SDG 2042X waveform generator, with input from a Trimble > > Thunderbolt GPSDO. Maximum frequency on the Siglent is 40 MHz. > > > > The calibration instructions call for using a signal source close to > > 50 MHz. Is 40 MHz close enough? The XG50 is much closer to 50 MHz, > > whereas the Siglent/Trimble potentially has the capability of being > > considerably more accurate. I'm interested in squeezing as much > > frequency stability out of the KX3 as possible. > > > > Thanks and 73, > > > > Frank O'Donnell K6FOD > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
