Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Very well put Dale, exactly as I see it too. 73 Stephen G4SJP On 17 February 2015 at 02:17, d...@lightstream.net d...@lightstream.net wrote: It seems that the term Polarity could be applicable to a single device, such as a loudspeaker, without reference to any other device. Connect the plus terminal of a 1.5v battery to the (+) terminal of a loudspeaker, and presumably the cone will move outward. Reversing the polarity of either the battery or the loudspeaker (but not both), will cause the cone will move in the opposite direction. But the Phase of a single device/measurement is kind of a meaningless concept without reference to another device/measurement. So perhaps the proper terminology is dependent upon context. At least that distinction works for my simple mind. 73, Dale WA8SRA On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Stephen Prior eastbrantw...@gmail.com wrote: ... polarity is to do with the direction in which the loudspeaker cone moves for a given direction of audio frequency current (Fleming's left hand rule etc.). So if two speakers have the same polarity then they will both move forwards or backwards at the same time... === I realize this discussion is kinda pointless and not worth prolonging, but nonetheless... it seems that if both speakers go in and out at the same time, the resulting sound waves would be in phase; whereas if one speaker goes out when the other goes in, the sound waves would be considered to be out of phase (i.e. the compressions and the rarefactions would cancel). So at least in the case of a pair of speakers sitting side-by-side and fed with the same audio, switching the so-called polarity of one would indeed change its phase relative to the other by 180 deg. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to eastbrantw...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
The CPU between my ears is what the L vs R phase difference processes in Diversity mode. I can get a somewhat similar affect using AFX (or the equivalent with a Heil headset that has a phase reversal switch) but significantly without the benefit of the phase difference of the received signal from two different antennas in Diversity RX. I never use LINK. When my K3 is in LINK mode, I stare at the front panel until I realize it's operator error. I’ve seen this all to often when a DXpedition using a K3 thinks he’s split but is actually working guys on his TX frequency. An unfortunate bonanza for the all to eager lid police. Steve WB6RSE On Feb 16, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Gary Smith g...@ka1j.com wrote: The difference at that time between Main/Diversity/LINK was incredibly little but selecting through them at that time provided me with a new multiplier. There is I believe an attenuation when using Diversity which normally is insignificant but in rare marginal cases, hearing both signals without any attenuation can make the difference. To me, the use of Diversity is almost always an improvement to readability but not 100% of the time. I would never give up the use of my Sub Rx, it is magnificent and invaluable to me. Sometimes LINK is useful. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Note that the SUB switch doesn't even have a labeled hold function on the panel. You can chalk this up to our indecisiveness on what, exactly, it would be. But in a future run of K3 front panels it is likely to become DIV (diversity), eliminating the ambiguity. And I thought there's no hold function label beneath the SUB button because there is no space for it. ;-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Here's an example where LINK was helpful to me: In the early AM I was calling CQ in CQWW160 and heard what I knew was someone just the very least bit above the noise level come back to me. I was using a HI-Z Triangular for Rx with the main and the sloper/INV-L Hybrid for the sub. I went to just the main and couldn't copy the signal and then went to LINK and with that I could barely make out JH0BBE. I could absolutely not do so otherwise at that moment. I just received his QSL for that Q in the mail and his is on the way back to him. The difference at that time between Main/Diversity/LINK was incredibly little but selecting through them at that time provided me with a new multiplier. There is I believe an attenuation when using Diversity which normally is insignificant but in rare marginal cases, hearing both signals without any attenuation can make the difference. To me, the use of Diversity is almost always an improvement to readability but not 100% of the time. I would never give up the use of my Sub Rx, it is magnificent and invaluable to me. Sometimes LINK is useful. Flame suit on. 73, Gary KA1J While reading this email thread, I just realized that many people don't know how to operate their K3s! Eliminating the LINK function should not cripple the diversity function, let alone eliminate it. I'm yet to read an example that would convince me about the usefulness of the function. In my opinion, the LINK function is a feature that I still don't understand why someone at Aptos bothered to program in the K3. As Don pointed out, the only use of this feature would be if a DX station was moving its TX frequency while working SPLIT. In more than 20 years as a ham chasing DX, I have never ever seen a DX station do that (it's kind of silly to do that because it would put in disadvantage the majority the DX'ers using other transceivers). Sorry for my bluntness 73,Robert-KP4Y On Monday, February 16, 2015 5:22 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com wrote: Link uses both VFO's, with VFO A controlling main RX and VFO B controlling sub RX. Diversity uses only VFO A on *both* main RX and sub RX. Link memorizes the difference between VFO A and VFO B and maintains VFO B at that difference while VFO A is being tuned. If you do AB before link, it will still be two synthesizers that are not locked, just have the same current input parameters. In my case when I do this I rarely hear the band noise spreading out into the band noise sound stage needed for digging out weak discreet CW signals. Diversity is a phase lock between the two RX using the same set of frequency generating sources for both RX. This always produces the band noise sound stage. Note that the sound stage is not something generated in the K3. That is done in our minds by the same mechanism that allows us to pick out a single voice in a crowded noisy cafeteria. The band noise is spread out around the audio horizon or sound stage in my mind's ear. A discrete signal is in one place on the sound stage. My mind easily picks the discrete sound out of the spread-around noise. This is very much the same thing as listening to a stereo recording of an orchestra that begins with audience buzz, which is all over the audio horizon in my mind's ear. When the music begins I hear the violins to the left, though spread out a bit. I hear the tuba at a specific spot on the right. Once a K3 diversity RX operator has learned to use sound stage diversity, it is easily an S unit advantage on RX for a station at or in the noise that you can't see on the S meter. For me diversity is always on 160 through 40. Anything that craps diversity, for me throws away an S unit. If you are not getting the sound stage trying to use diversity, you really are not getting the benefit, and have some fun ahead of you when you do. 73, Guy K2AV On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Tom Blahovici tom...@videotron.ca wrote: Hi Joe, I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. Myself, I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. So, how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? Thanks __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2av@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@yahoo.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
LINK was added as the initial hold function of SUB because, at the time, we hadn't realized how important diversity mode would become to K3 users. We later added SUB as a long hold, which overloaded this switch (now three functions). This has been a continual source of complaints since we added the KRX3 option. Many users have trouble making the selection, because of the need to time the switch hold. Providing LINK as a menu entry, instead, has been on my list since the Pleistocene, and I finally got around to it. I tested this change on a large group of field testers (30+), and the response was overwhelmingly positive. That is why the change is now in the beta release (regular hold of SUB selecting DIVersity mode). Note that the SUB switch doesn't even have a labeled hold function on the panel. You can chalk this up to our indecisiveness on what, exactly, it would be. But in a future run of K3 front panels it is likely to become DIV (diversity), eliminating the ambiguity. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 15, 2015, at 11:40 PM, Vic Rosenthal k2vco@gmail.com wrote: I never, ever use LINK. I use diversity often. I like the beta because it enables me to use the SUB button to toggle diversity, thus freeing up one of the programmable function keys for something else. I found the long hold unusable. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO On Feb 16, 2015, at 12:30 AM, Gary Gregory vk1zzg...@gmail.com wrote: Leave LINK as it is please. I wonder what the majority of k3 owners think? Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
My experience with LINK is all bad. If I'm in LINK I most likely don't know what is going on. It gets turned on in those gray hours in a contest when my really thinking brain has gone somewhere in the warm Caribbean to take a long nap. All left manning the rig is a brute beast that functions on rote. If the solution isn't already a habit, it probably can't think its way out of a paper bag. Getting caught with LINK one time had me listening to what my foggy brain concluded was an attempt to take over my run frequency. In fact it was the occupant of a frequency about 40 kHz away. I of course tried to operate through him to make him go away, including losing some number of weakies I couldn't copy with that racket going on. It took five or ten minutes to realize that all the racket was in my right ear and the offending run station was not on my S-meter. Then, to get me back to diversity, I had to turn SUB off, and do the long hold on SUB, which I didn't get right the first two times, probably for the same reason I wound up in LINK the first time. And in the piddling trying to get diversity back on, I didn't transmit enough and DID lose the run frequency for real. At least I didn't send the up 40 fellow a flame email after the contest like I did one time, when I didn't figure it out until the next day after I'd had some sleep. I don't want to take LINK away from anyone who likes or uses it, but removing the ghastly SUB-LINK-DIVERSITY sequence of old, with two kinds of HOLD, is a godsend. Thank you Wayne, Others seem to really diss diversity. And their commentary convinces me that some have not been doing sound-stage diversity correctly if at all. Sound-stage diversity DOES require at minimum a separate antenna on the sub RX, even if on 160 this is listening to your 80 inverted vee on the sub RX (not all that bad, the first thing I tried). Sound stage diversity does require phase-locking the two RX. Often listening diversity on two separately oriented RX antennas will seem to improve the performance of BOTH receive antennas. If one's idea of diversity includes the notion that going into diversity knocks down the main RX level, you really don't have it set up, and have a pleasant surprise awaiting discovery. 73, Guy K2AV On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Oliver Dröse dro...@necg.de wrote: Note that the SUB switch doesn't even have a labeled hold function on the panel. You can chalk this up to our indecisiveness on what, exactly, it would be. But in a future run of K3 front panels it is likely to become DIV (diversity), eliminating the ambiguity. And I thought there's no hold function label beneath the SUB button because there is no space for it. ;-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2av@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
On Mon,2/16/2015 9:18 AM, wb6r...@mac.com wrote: The CPU between my ears is what the L vs R phase difference processes in Diversity mode. I can get a somewhat similar affect using AFX (or the equivalent with a Heil headset that has a phase reversal switch) but significantly without the benefit of the phase difference of the received signal from two different antennas in Diversity RX. You (and Heil) are using the word phase incorrectly when you talk about reversing it. What that switch is doing is reversing the POLARITY. Polarity has two values -- normal and inverted. Polarity is the same for all frequencies. Bob Heil, who claims to be the audio guru should know better -- the word polarity has been used in this manner in pro audio for nearly 40 years. Phase is a continuously variable function measured in degrees (or radians), has the range of +/- infinity. Phase has no meaning for signals of different frequencies. When phase differences are the result of time differences between two signals of the same frequency (for example, a direct signal and a reflected one), the phase difference is proportional to the time difference. These multiple arrivals cause what we hear as picket fencing at VHF and UHF, and long slow fades on the lower frequency bands (including 160M). The peaks occur when direct and reflected are more nearly in phase, the dips occur when direct and reflected are nearly equal in amplitude but close to 180 degrees out of phase. Another example -- when we use lengths of feedline to provide phase shift for antenna arrays, the amount of phase shift depends on the frequency. If we want two antennas to be driven precisely in phase over a broad frequency range (for example, wide bands like 160M, 80M, and 10M), we should use two lines of equal length. A half-wave (or multiple of half-waves) will provide the desired phase relationship at a single design frequency, but a different value away from that frequency. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
This bad terminology has been around for a long time. My dad’s 1960’s Sherwood amp (maybe an S-5000?) had a switch on the front labeled “PHASE NORM - REV”. That was to save you the trouble of reversing the speaker wires after you got them all connected to the screw terminals. Just choose which ever setting had more bass. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Feb 16, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Clive Lorton cl...@thelortons.co.uk wrote: On 16/02/2015 19:27, Jim Brown wrote: You (and Heil) are using the word phase incorrectly when you talk about reversing it. What that switch is doing is reversing the POLARITY. Polarity has two values -- normal and inverted. Polarity is the same for all frequencies. Bob Heil, who claims to be the audio guru should know better -- the word polarity has been used in this manner in pro audio for nearly 40 years. I understand the word polarity and I understand the word phase after 40 years in the audio industry I've never known a loudspeaker (or other transducer) to be out of polarity. From Wikipedia: *Phase difference* is the difference, expressed in degrees or time, between two waves having the same frequency and referenced to the same point in time.^http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_%28waves%29#cite_note-Ballou2005-1 Two oscillators that have the same frequency and no phase difference are said to be *in phase*. Two oscillators that have the same frequency and different phases have a phase difference, and the oscillators are said to be *out of phase* with each other. Clive G8POC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
To my simple minded (physics) view of things, polarity is to do with the direction in which the loudspeaker cone moves for a given direction of audio frequency current (Fleming's left hand rule etc.). So if two speakers have the same polarity then they will both move forwards or backwards at the same time, irrespective of the frequency (assuming they are being fed with the same signal of course!). Phase differences can only have any meaning for a given frequency and can have maximum values of +/- 180 deg, +/- pi rads etc. It is easy to see how the confusion can exist. Interestingly, an old pair of AR speakers I own have a 'polarity' switch. 73, Stephen G4SJP On 16 February 2015 at 19:47, Clive Lorton cl...@thelortons.co.uk wrote: On 16/02/2015 19:27, Jim Brown wrote: You (and Heil) are using the word phase incorrectly when you talk about reversing it. What that switch is doing is reversing the POLARITY. Polarity has two values -- normal and inverted. Polarity is the same for all frequencies. Bob Heil, who claims to be the audio guru should know better -- the word polarity has been used in this manner in pro audio for nearly 40 years. I understand the word polarity and I understand the word phase after 40 years in the audio industry I've never known a loudspeaker (or other transducer) to be out of polarity. From Wikipedia: *Phase difference* is the difference, expressed in degrees or time, between two waves having the same frequency and referenced to the same point in time.^http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Phase_%28waves%29#cite_note-Ballou2005-1 Two oscillators that have the same frequency and no phase difference are said to be *in phase*. Two oscillators that have the same frequency and different phases have a phase difference, and the oscillators are said to be *out of phase* with each other. Clive G8POC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to eastbrantw...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
On 16/02/2015 19:27, Jim Brown wrote: You (and Heil) are using the word phase incorrectly when you talk about reversing it. What that switch is doing is reversing the POLARITY. Polarity has two values -- normal and inverted. Polarity is the same for all frequencies. Bob Heil, who claims to be the audio guru should know better -- the word polarity has been used in this manner in pro audio for nearly 40 years. I understand the word polarity and I understand the word phase after 40 years in the audio industry I've never known a loudspeaker (or other transducer) to be out of polarity. From Wikipedia: *Phase difference* is the difference, expressed in degrees or time, between two waves having the same frequency and referenced to the same point in time.^http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_%28waves%29#cite_note-Ballou2005-1 Two oscillators that have the same frequency and no phase difference are said to be *in phase*. Two oscillators that have the same frequency and different phases have a phase difference, and the oscillators are said to be *out of phase* with each other. Clive G8POC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Stephen Prior eastbrantw...@gmail.com wrote: ... polarity is to do with the direction in which the loudspeaker cone moves for a given direction of audio frequency current (Fleming's left hand rule etc.). So if two speakers have the same polarity then they will both move forwards or backwards at the same time... === I realize this discussion is kinda pointless and not worth prolonging, but nonetheless... it seems that if both speakers go in and out at the same time, the resulting sound waves would be in phase; whereas if one speaker goes out when the other goes in, the sound waves would be considered to be out of phase (i.e. the compressions and the rarefactions would cancel). So at least in the case of a pair of speakers sitting side-by-side and fed with the same audio, switching the so-called polarity of one would indeed change its phase relative to the other by 180 deg. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Good eye, Olli. It would actually go off to the side of the switch in this case. Wayne N6KR On Feb 16, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Oliver Dröse dro...@necg.de wrote: Note that the SUB switch doesn't even have a labeled hold function on the panel. You can chalk this up to our indecisiveness on what, exactly, it would be. But in a future run of K3 front panels it is likely to become DIV (diversity), eliminating the ambiguity. And I thought there's no hold function label beneath the SUB button because there is no space for it. ;-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
It seems that the term Polarity could be applicable to a single device, such as a loudspeaker, without reference to any other device. Connect the plus terminal of a 1.5v battery to the (+) terminal of a loudspeaker, and presumably the cone will move outward. Reversing the polarity of either the battery or the loudspeaker (but not both), will cause the cone will move in the opposite direction. But the Phase of a single device/measurement is kind of a meaningless concept without reference to another device/measurement. So perhaps the proper terminology is dependent upon context. At least that distinction works for my simple mind. 73, Dale WA8SRA On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Stephen Prior eastbrantw...@gmail.com wrote: ... polarity is to do with the direction in which the loudspeaker cone moves for a given direction of audio frequency current (Fleming's left hand rule etc.). So if two speakers have the same polarity then they will both move forwards or backwards at the same time... === I realize this discussion is kinda pointless and not worth prolonging, but nonetheless... it seems that if both speakers go in and out at the same time, the resulting sound waves would be in phase; whereas if one speaker goes out when the other goes in, the sound waves would be considered to be out of phase (i.e. the compressions and the rarefactions would cancel). So at least in the case of a pair of speakers sitting side-by-side and fed with the same audio, switching the so-called polarity of one would indeed change its phase relative to the other by 180 deg. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
That disregards the spacial separation between the speakers. True if the listener is equidistant from the speakers and only has one ear! 73, Josh W6XU On 2/16/2015 2:52 PM, Tony Estep wrote: it seems that if both speakers go in and out at the same time, the resulting sound waves would be in phase; whereas if one speaker goes out when the other goes in, the sound waves would be considered to be out of phase (i.e. the compressions and the rarefactions would cancel). __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Johnny, I had the 7800 for a while, the reason it can't do diversity is that since the main and sub use different IF frequencies there is always a small (Sub 1Hz frequency different between the 2 receivers due to DDS rounding error differences between the main ad sub synths Neither link or diversity are 'going away' see the release notes * EASIER DIVERSITY RECEIVE SELECTION: A regular hold of SUB now goes directly into diversity receive, without first having to go through LINK. This should benefit most users of the KRX3 sub receiver, since few use the VFO linking function. Those who do use VFO linking can still turn it on by setting CONFIG:VFO LNK to ON. This menu entry can be assigned to a programmable function switch for easy selection if desired, eliminating the need to bring up the menu. Note: Remote-control command LN is another way to accomplish VFO linking. On Mon, 2015-02-16 at 00:51 +, Johnny Siu wrote: Hello Arie, I agree with you 'LINK' should not be abandoned. Please excuse my language, I would consider the idea of abandoning the 'LINK' is stupid. During APDXC 2012 in Icom HQ Osaka, I spoke to Mr. Inoue JA3FA that I did not understand why IC7800 did not have the function of LINK for both VFOA B so that I could use the dual receivers for diversity reception. I also mentioned that their competitor K3 had that function which I often used. Skillful use of diversity reception will enable you to pick up the odds even with simple antennae. 73 Johnny VR2XMC 寄件人︰ Arie Kleingeld PA3A p...@xs4all.nl 收件人︰ elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2015年02月16日 (週一) 1:10 AM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Tony LINK ties both VFO's to the mail freq dial en keeps them insync when you turn the dial knob. So both receivers keep working on the same freq. What I often use i diversity listening so with two receivers and two antennas on the samen freq. Diversity puts the main RX audio on the left ear of the headset, and the Sub on the right ear. That's the normal situation. In my case, the F9-F12 buttons in N1MM contain commands to the K3 that switch the audio to my liking (that can also be done in the Config, but that takes too much time during QSO) This way I can switch listening from diversity (listen both MainRX and SubRX at same time) to only main RX (main RX audio on both ears) or only sub RX (Sub RX audio on both ears) depending on where the signal is best. The commands to do this are in the programmers manual of the K3. It's really fun to control some beautiful K3 features from the keyboard like this. 73 Arie PA3A N2TK, Tony schreef op 15-2-2015 om 16:38: Hi Arie, I am not sure I understand what LINK does to help when both receivers are on the same freq. What does F9-F12 below do to help? Tnx N2TK, Tony . - F9 = listen A-B - F10 = listen A-A - F11 = listen B-B - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK the VFO's. __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com -- 73 Brendan EI6IZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
While reading this email thread, I just realized that many people don't know how to operate their K3s! Eliminating the LINK function should not cripple the diversity function, let alone eliminate it. I'm yet to read an example that would convince me about the usefulness of the function. In my opinion, the LINK function is a feature that I still don't understand why someone at Aptos bothered to program in the K3. As Don pointed out, the only use of this feature would be if a DX station was moving its TX frequency while working SPLIT. In more than 20 years as a ham chasing DX, I have never ever seen a DX station do that (it's kind of silly to do that because it would put in disadvantage the majority the DX'ers using other transceivers). Sorry for my bluntness 73,Robert-KP4Y On Monday, February 16, 2015 5:22 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com wrote: Link uses both VFO's, with VFO A controlling main RX and VFO B controlling sub RX. Diversity uses only VFO A on *both* main RX and sub RX. Link memorizes the difference between VFO A and VFO B and maintains VFO B at that difference while VFO A is being tuned. If you do AB before link, it will still be two synthesizers that are not locked, just have the same current input parameters. In my case when I do this I rarely hear the band noise spreading out into the band noise sound stage needed for digging out weak discreet CW signals. Diversity is a phase lock between the two RX using the same set of frequency generating sources for both RX. This always produces the band noise sound stage. Note that the sound stage is not something generated in the K3. That is done in our minds by the same mechanism that allows us to pick out a single voice in a crowded noisy cafeteria. The band noise is spread out around the audio horizon or sound stage in my mind's ear. A discrete signal is in one place on the sound stage. My mind easily picks the discrete sound out of the spread-around noise. This is very much the same thing as listening to a stereo recording of an orchestra that begins with audience buzz, which is all over the audio horizon in my mind's ear. When the music begins I hear the violins to the left, though spread out a bit. I hear the tuba at a specific spot on the right. Once a K3 diversity RX operator has learned to use sound stage diversity, it is easily an S unit advantage on RX for a station at or in the noise that you can't see on the S meter. For me diversity is always on 160 through 40. Anything that craps diversity, for me throws away an S unit. If you are not getting the sound stage trying to use diversity, you really are not getting the benefit, and have some fun ahead of you when you do. 73, Guy K2AV On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Tom Blahovici tom...@videotron.ca wrote: Hi Joe, I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. Myself, I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. So, how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? Thanks __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2av@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Vic, When the K3 is in diversity, it is in diversity, meaning that Main RX is on left ear and Sub Rx on right ear. This cannot be changed. Often, it is convenient to switch to only one antenna and one audio instead of two. So if a signal is really good on the Sub RX, I switch to B-B, meaning both ears hear the Sub RX audio. After finishing the QSO I switch back to A-B, the normal diversity audio and go on in diversity. This trick cannot be done if the K3 is in diversity. So I have the K3 in LINK-mode so that both VFO's stay toghether on the same frequencies. If the audio switching would be available when the K3 is in diversity mode, I would not need LINK. Now it is my way of working around this. 73 Arie PA3A Vic Rosenthal schreef op 16-2-2015 om 9:22: I don't understand. The K3 directly supports dual diversity reception. The beta makes it possible to enter diversity mode with a normal hold of the SUB button instead of the previously required long hold. The LINK function makes the two VFOs tune together, and they can be on the same frequency. But it isn't needed for diversity and would be clumsy to use for that purpose for several reasons (extra button pushes to equalize frequencies, bandwidth, etc.; possible need to change audio mixing setting). LINK is not the same as diversity, and I have never figured out what it is good for. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Johnny, We have not abandoned the LINK function. It is available in the menu, and can be assigned to a programmable function switch. There's also an LN remote-control command that remains unchanged. It can be used from a computer or embedded in K3 front panel switch macros. But we decided to remove it from the SUB switch, because so many operators have accidentally gotten into LINK when the intent was to simply turn on the sub receiver or put it into diversity mode. This has resulted in many phone calls to customer support. Many K3 users have commented that they appreciate the removal of LINK from the SUB switch. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 15, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Johnny Siu vr2...@yahoo.com.hk wrote: Hello Arie, I agree with you 'LINK' should not be abandoned. Please excuse my language, I would consider the idea of abandoning the 'LINK' is stupid. During APDXC 2012 in Icom HQ Osaka, I spoke to Mr. Inoue JA3FA that I did not understand why IC7800 did not have the function of LINK for both VFOA B so that I could use the dual receivers for diversity reception. I also mentioned that their competitor K3 had that function which I often used. Skillful use of diversity reception will enable you to pick up the odds even with simple antennae. 73 Johnny VR2XMC 寄件人︰ Arie Kleingeld PA3A p...@xs4all.nl 收件人︰ elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2015年02月16日 (週一) 1:10 AM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Tony LINK ties both VFO's to the mail freq dial en keeps them insync when you turn the dial knob. So both receivers keep working on the same freq. What I often use i diversity listening so with two receivers and two antennas on the samen freq. Diversity puts the main RX audio on the left ear of the headset, and the Sub on the right ear. That's the normal situation. In my case, the F9-F12 buttons in N1MM contain commands to the K3 that switch the audio to my liking (that can also be done in the Config, but that takes too much time during QSO) This way I can switch listening from diversity (listen both MainRX and SubRX at same time) to only main RX (main RX audio on both ears) or only sub RX (Sub RX audio on both ears) depending on where the signal is best. The commands to do this are in the programmers manual of the K3. It's really fun to control some beautiful K3 features from the keyboard like this. 73 Arie PA3A N2TK, Tony schreef op 15-2-2015 om 16:38: Hi Arie, I am not sure I understand what LINK does to help when both receivers are on the same freq. What does F9-F12 below do to help? Tnx N2TK, Tony . - F9 = listen A-B - F10 = listen A-A - F11 = listen B-B - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK the VFO's. __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Is there a possibility that the Link menu option include Nor as a default to keep the K3's button functionality the same as the manual describes and for those that want to keep it? Link OFF would remove LINK from the button as proposed. Keep the macro command for those that want to use it. 73, Dwayne WV5I __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
That's an ingenious workaround, Gary, but you wouldn't need to do that if the K3 had a programmable 'Smart Split' function like any other transceiver on the market. Many people are using custom macros for Split, but at present that macro has to be assigned to some other button - and guest operators have to be warned *not* to use the SPLIT button itself. If there were an option to run a custom Split macro directly from the SPLIT button, the K3 could have the most advanced Split function in the entire transceiver market. Instead, it has willfully the dumbest, which requires messy workarounds and invites errors. 73 from Ian GM3SEK -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory Sent: 16 February 2015 03:04 To: Tom Cc: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK I have LINK in use with a 5kc difference between vfo A and vfo B and i am constantly tuning around looking for dxpeditions who usually run split. It means for me a quick tap and i am split up 5 in ssb. I then fine tune when they are calling up 5-10 etc. Taking it away is simply not fair. I do not have the 2nd rcvr and i am not interested in diversity. I dont give a hoot if i am the only one using LINK, the fact remains i do and i feel i have a right to keep on using it.Captains Call Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 16/02/2015 12:16 PM, Tom Blahovici tom...@videotron.ca wrote: Hi Joe, I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. Myself, I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. So, how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? Thanks __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzg...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to gm3...@ifwtech.co.uk __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
I don't understand. The K3 directly supports dual diversity reception. The beta makes it possible to enter diversity mode with a normal hold of the SUB button instead of the previously required long hold. The LINK function makes the two VFOs tune together, and they can be on the same frequency. But it isn't needed for diversity and would be clumsy to use for that purpose for several reasons (extra button pushes to equalize frequencies, bandwidth, etc.; possible need to change audio mixing setting). LINK is not the same as diversity, and I have never figured out what it is good for. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO On Feb 16, 2015, at 2:51 AM, Johnny Siu vr2...@yahoo.com.hk wrote: Hello Arie, I agree with you 'LINK' should not be abandoned. Please excuse my language, I would consider the idea of abandoning the 'LINK' is stupid. During APDXC 2012 in Icom HQ Osaka, I spoke to Mr. Inoue JA3FA that I did not understand why IC7800 did not have the function of LINK for both VFOA B so that I could use the dual receivers for diversity reception. I also mentioned that their competitor K3 had that function which I often used. Skillful use of diversity reception will enable you to pick up the odds even with simple antennae. 73 Johnny VR2XMC 寄件人︰ Arie Kleingeld PA3A p...@xs4all.nl 收件人︰ elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2015年02月16日 (週一) 1:10 AM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Tony LINK ties both VFO's to the mail freq dial en keeps them insync when you turn the dial knob. So both receivers keep working on the same freq. What I often use i diversity listening so with two receivers and two antennas on the samen freq. Diversity puts the main RX audio on the left ear of the headset, and the Sub on the right ear. That's the normal situation. In my case, the F9-F12 buttons in N1MM contain commands to the K3 that switch the audio to my liking (that can also be done in the Config, but that takes too much time during QSO) This way I can switch listening from diversity (listen both MainRX and SubRX at same time) to only main RX (main RX audio on both ears) or only sub RX (Sub RX audio on both ears) depending on where the signal is best. The commands to do this are in the programmers manual of the K3. It's really fun to control some beautiful K3 features from the keyboard like this. 73 Arie PA3A N2TK, Tony schreef op 15-2-2015 om 16:38: Hi Arie, I am not sure I understand what LINK does to help when both receivers are on the same freq. What does F9-F12 below do to help? Tnx N2TK, Tony . - F9 = listen A-B - F10 = listen A-A - F11 = listen B-B - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK the VFO's. __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2vco@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Ian, I agree absolutely, hence my use of LINK the way i do. I have no idea where Elecraft will take this but i can say if i have to resort to creating a Macro, assigning it to another key (i already use PF1 and PF2) then i will be annoyed that i have to change the way i have operated for 7 years just to satisfy others. Ekecraft want to enrich the features is terrifictry not to alienate satisfied customers is also desirable i would have thought. Oh well, it is what it is so for now i will watch and wait before making a decision on what i will do if the advocates have there way. I just hope elecraft consider the whole user base prior to making this change. I know i am not the only one using LINK the way i do. 73 Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 16/02/2015 7:22 PM, Ian White gm3...@ifwtech.co.uk wrote: That's an ingenious workaround, Gary, but you wouldn't need to do that if the K3 had a programmable 'Smart Split' function like any other transceiver on the market. Many people are using custom macros for Split, but at present that macro has to be assigned to some other button - and guest operators have to be warned *not* to use the SPLIT button itself. If there were an option to run a custom Split macro directly from the SPLIT button, the K3 could have the most advanced Split function in the entire transceiver market. Instead, it has willfully the dumbest, which requires messy workarounds and invites errors. 73 from Ian GM3SEK -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory Sent: 16 February 2015 03:04 To: Tom Cc: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK I have LINK in use with a 5kc difference between vfo A and vfo B and i am constantly tuning around looking for dxpeditions who usually run split. It means for me a quick tap and i am split up 5 in ssb. I then fine tune when they are calling up 5-10 etc. Taking it away is simply not fair. I do not have the 2nd rcvr and i am not interested in diversity. I dont give a hoot if i am the only one using LINK, the fact remains i do and i feel i have a right to keep on using it.Captains Call Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 16/02/2015 12:16 PM, Tom Blahovici tom...@videotron.ca wrote: Hi Joe, I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. Myself, I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. So, how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? Thanks __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzg...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to gm3...@ifwtech.co.uk __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzg...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Hello, digest mode here so posting is a little clumsy, but here goes. I suggest that a config menu option be made where a selection of link or diversity be made and assigned to the one second sub button hold. For those who like link, they could assign that one second button hold as link. For those like me, want it as diversity could similarly go into the config menu and assign the sub button one second hold as diversity. Frankly to me linking is not really for any use that I have. When in diversity both VFO's are already linked and using link where the two VFO's are separated I can see no use for. Anyway, my .02 worth 73 Dale, K9VUJ P.S. The clock thing is really running out of gas. Message: 14 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:03:37 +1000 From: Gary Gregory vk1zzg...@gmail.com To: Tom tom...@videotron.ca Cc: Elecraft List elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Message-ID: ca+mfbaf+ofmkyx_nxl1g_acszbjv0qfj20wiascfsvv5jhn...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I have LINK in use with a 5kc difference between vfo A and vfo B and i am constantly tuning around looking for dxpeditions who usually run split. It means for me a quick tap and i am split up 5 in ssb. I then fine tune when they are calling up 5-10 etc. Taking it away is simply not fair. I do not have the 2nd rcvr and i am not interested in diversity. I dont give a hoot if i am the only one using LINK, the fact remains i do and i feel i have a right to keep on using it.Captains Call Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 16/02/2015 12:16 PM, Tom Blahovici tom...@videotron.ca wrote: __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
I really do. 73, Mike NF4L On Feb 15, 2015, at 9:55 AM, brian als...@nc.rr.com wrote: Question: does anybody really use XFIL? Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 2/15/2015 14:48 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: Wayne, Please do not take out LINK. I'm using it a lot in contests and in DXpedition work Just to give you and others the idea: With both main and sub RX's on the same freq, mode and BW I link them with LINK. But here comes the fun part. When working with the N1MM logger I use F9-F12 to quickly command the audio from the K3 main and sub: - F9 = listen A-B - F10 = listen A-A - F11 = listen B-B - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK the VFO's. This unique flexibility of the K3 is impossible in the DIVERSITY mode. so P L E A S E , keep LINK in there. 73 Arie PA3A Wayne Burdick schreef op 15-2-2015 om 5:04: Mike (et al), It's beta, experimental, subject to further revision. We took the original dual-PB out based on earlier feedback suggesting no one was using it (same with LINK). APF, in contrast, has been hugely popular. But with this input, we'll reconsider. Thanks, Wayne __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to als...@nc.rr.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9117 - Release Date: 02/15/15 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Hi Arie, I am not sure I understand what LINK does to help when both receivers are on the same freq. What does F9-F12 below do to help? Tnx N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Arie Kleingeld PA3A Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 9:48 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Wayne Burdick Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Wayne, Please do not take out LINK. I'm using it a lot in contests and in DXpedition work Just to give you and others the idea: With both main and sub RX's on the same freq, mode and BW I link them with LINK. But here comes the fun part. When working with the N1MM logger I use F9-F12 to quickly command the audio from the K3 main and sub: - F9 = listen A-B - F10 = listen A-A - F11 = listen B-B - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK the VFO's. This unique flexibility of the K3 is impossible in the DIVERSITY mode. so P L E A S E , keep LINK in there. 73 Arie PA3A Wayne Burdick schreef op 15-2-2015 om 5:04: Mike (et al), It's beta, experimental, subject to further revision. We took the original dual-PB out based on earlier feedback suggesting no one was using it (same with LINK). APF, in contrast, has been hugely popular. But with this input, we'll reconsider. Thanks, Wayne __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Question: does anybody really use XFIL? Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 2/15/2015 14:48 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: Wayne, Please do not take out LINK. I'm using it a lot in contests and in DXpedition work Just to give you and others the idea: With both main and sub RX's on the same freq, mode and BW I link them with LINK. But here comes the fun part. When working with the N1MM logger I use F9-F12 to quickly command the audio from the K3 main and sub: - F9 = listen A-B - F10 = listen A-A - F11 = listen B-B - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK the VFO's. This unique flexibility of the K3 is impossible in the DIVERSITY mode. so P L E A S E , keep LINK in there. 73 Arie PA3A Wayne Burdick schreef op 15-2-2015 om 5:04: Mike (et al), It's beta, experimental, subject to further revision. We took the original dual-PB out based on earlier feedback suggesting no one was using it (same with LINK). APF, in contrast, has been hugely popular. But with this input, we'll reconsider. Thanks, Wayne __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to als...@nc.rr.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9117 - Release Date: 02/15/15 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Wayne, Please do not take out LINK. I'm using it a lot in contests and in DXpedition work Just to give you and others the idea: With both main and sub RX's on the same freq, mode and BW I link them with LINK. But here comes the fun part. When working with the N1MM logger I use F9-F12 to quickly command the audio from the K3 main and sub: - F9 = listen A-B - F10 = listen A-A - F11 = listen B-B - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK the VFO's. This unique flexibility of the K3 is impossible in the DIVERSITY mode. so P L E A S E , keep LINK in there. 73 Arie PA3A Wayne Burdick schreef op 15-2-2015 om 5:04: Mike (et al), It's beta, experimental, subject to further revision. We took the original dual-PB out based on earlier feedback suggesting no one was using it (same with LINK). APF, in contrast, has been hugely popular. But with this input, we'll reconsider. Thanks, Wayne __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Never N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of brian Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 9:55 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Question: does anybody really use XFIL? Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 2/15/2015 14:48 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: Wayne, Please do not take out LINK. I'm using it a lot in contests and in DXpedition work Just to give you and others the idea: With both main and sub RX's on the same freq, mode and BW I link them with LINK. But here comes the fun part. When working with the N1MM logger I use F9-F12 to quickly command the audio from the K3 main and sub: - F9 = listen A-B - F10 = listen A-A - F11 = listen B-B - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK the VFO's. This unique flexibility of the K3 is impossible in the DIVERSITY mode. so P L E A S E , keep LINK in there. 73 Arie PA3A Wayne Burdick schreef op 15-2-2015 om 5:04: Mike (et al), It's beta, experimental, subject to further revision. We took the original dual-PB out based on earlier feedback suggesting no one was using it (same with LINK). APF, in contrast, has been hugely popular. But with this input, we'll reconsider. Thanks, Wayne __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to als...@nc.rr.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9117 - Release Date: 02/15/15 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
On 2015-02-15 9:55 AM, brian wrote: Question: does anybody really use XFIL? Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. No, retaining the dual context CW filter and assigning APF to XFIL and Dual PB to the current DUAL PB function makes more sense. Leave DIV as SUB Hold as it is in 5.10 and make LINK available as a programmable function (LN0;/LN1;). Having LINK as SUB HOLD and DIV as an extra long hold is/was very difficult from an ergonomic perspective. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Well...if you don't want it...DON'T BUY IT. Apparently the K3 has reached the point that the firmware feature set has out paced the physical UI. There aren't enough buttons left to keep all of the current features? There is a port on the bottom of every K3 that doesn't get used once it leaves the factory. Use that port for an external appliance to add more programmable buttons rather than dumping features from the firmware because some overly loud minority doesn't use the feature. If diversity mode is going away why would anybody NEED to buy the second RX and filters other than to make running split easier? The feature set in the K3 On 2/15/2015 10:37 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: PLEASE no pig knob type of device! It's obvious that the user's desires can't all be met. The challenge becomes a case of who gets Wayne's attention. And I have -no- interest in a bigger radio just to accommodate more knobs. YAECOMWOOD already has that covered. (;-) 73 K0PP On Feb 15, 2015 9:23 AM, Kevin Stover kevin.sto...@mediacombb.net wrote: -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
I would LOVE to see a Pig Knob type of device for the K3! No actual knob looking like a pig, but an external keypad would be wonderful! Especially if it were a touch screen. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2015-02-15 at 09:37 -0700, Ken G Kopp wrote: PLEASE no pig knob type of device! It's obvious that the user's desires can't all be met. The challenge becomes a case of who gets Wayne's attention. And I have -no- interest in a bigger radio just to accommodate more knobs. YAECOMWOOD already has that covered. (;-) 73 K0PP On Feb 15, 2015 9:23 AM, Kevin Stover kevin.sto...@mediacombb.net wrote: Maybe it's time for Elecraft to provide more buttons on an outboard tuning knob/buttons appliance. Pig Knob maybe. On 2/15/2015 10:14 AM, brian wrote: Joe, I agree with the last sentence. From my perspective (never use diversity) diversity got in the way and thus what the bad actor. Thus it ought to be relocated. It depends upon how you operate. Making something available as a programmable function doesn't mean one has some programmable button left to place it on. -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kengk...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Tony LINK ties both VFO's to the mail freq dial en keeps them insync when you turn the dial knob. So both receivers keep working on the same freq. What I often use i diversity listening so with two receivers and two antennas on the samen freq. Diversity puts the main RX audio on the left ear of the headset, and the Sub on the right ear. That's the normal situation. In my case, the F9-F12 buttons in N1MM contain commands to the K3 that switch the audio to my liking (that can also be done in the Config, but that takes too much time during QSO) This way I can switch listening from diversity (listen both MainRX and SubRX at same time) to only main RX (main RX audio on both ears) or only sub RX (Sub RX audio on both ears) depending on where the signal is best. The commands to do this are in the programmers manual of the K3. It's really fun to control some beautiful K3 features from the keyboard like this. 73 Arie PA3A N2TK, Tony schreef op 15-2-2015 om 16:38: Hi Arie, I am not sure I understand what LINK does to help when both receivers are on the same freq. What does F9-F12 below do to help? Tnx N2TK, Tony . - F9 = listen A-B - F10 = listen A-A - F11 = listen B-B - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK the VFO's. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Diversity mode is *not* going away. It is the VFO LINK that is not going to be available at the hold of a button. There are other means to link the VFOs is someone want to do that. Macros can be created to do many things not easily available from the K3 buttons. And then there are loggers that can issue macros, and most everyone runs with a logger although there are a some holdouts with a paper log. How many times have we heard on this reflector about a problem because VFO B is following VFO A. I imagine it results in many unnecessary customer support calls and emails as well. IMHO, this thread has become a bit distorted as the result of varied opinions. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/15/2015 12:01 PM, Kevin Stover wrote: Well...if you don't want it...DON'T BUY IT. Apparently the K3 has reached the point that the firmware feature set has out paced the physical UI. There aren't enough buttons left to keep all of the current features? There is a port on the bottom of every K3 that doesn't get used once it leaves the factory. Use that port for an external appliance to add more programmable buttons rather than dumping features from the firmware because some overly loud minority doesn't use the feature. If diversity mode is going away why would anybody NEED to buy the second RX and filters other than to make running split easier? The feature set in the K3 On 2/15/2015 10:37 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: PLEASE no pig knob type of device! It's obvious that the user's desires can't all be met. The challenge becomes a case of who gets Wayne's attention. And I have -no- interest in a bigger radio just to accommodate more knobs. YAECOMWOOD already has that covered. (;-) 73 K0PP On Feb 15, 2015 9:23 AM, Kevin Stover kevin.sto...@mediacombb.net wrote: __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
I can't help but chuckle. I learned years ago when software base based products became popular that YOU CAN NEVER REMOVE A FEATURE ONCE IT HAS BEEN RELEASED. There is always someone depending upon it. -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Arie Kleingeld PA3A Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 9:48 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Wayne Burdick Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Wayne, Please do not take out LINK. I'm using it a lot in contests and in DXpedition work Just to give you and others the idea: With both main and sub RX's on the same freq, mode and BW I link them with LINK. But here comes snip __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Maybe it's time for Elecraft to provide more buttons on an outboard tuning knob/buttons appliance. Pig Knob maybe. On 2/15/2015 10:14 AM, brian wrote: Joe, I agree with the last sentence. From my perspective (never use diversity) diversity got in the way and thus what the bad actor. Thus it ought to be relocated. It depends upon how you operate. Making something available as a programmable function doesn't mean one has some programmable button left to place it on. -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
PLEASE no pig knob type of device! It's obvious that the user's desires can't all be met. The challenge becomes a case of who gets Wayne's attention. And I have -no- interest in a bigger radio just to accommodate more knobs. YAECOMWOOD already has that covered. (;-) 73 K0PP On Feb 15, 2015 9:23 AM, Kevin Stover kevin.sto...@mediacombb.net wrote: Maybe it's time for Elecraft to provide more buttons on an outboard tuning knob/buttons appliance. Pig Knob maybe. On 2/15/2015 10:14 AM, brian wrote: Joe, I agree with the last sentence. From my perspective (never use diversity) diversity got in the way and thus what the bad actor. Thus it ought to be relocated. It depends upon how you operate. Making something available as a programmable function doesn't mean one has some programmable button left to place it on. -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kengk...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
On 2/15/15 8:55 AM, brian wrote: Question: does anybody really use XFIL? Of course, all the time. It is much better than twisting the knob a dozen times. 73 de dave ab9ca/4 Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 2/15/2015 14:48 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: Wayne, Please do not take out LINK. I'm using it a lot in contests and in DXpedition work Just to give you and others the idea: With both main and sub RX's on the same freq, mode and BW I link them with LINK. But here comes the fun part. When working with the N1MM logger I use F9-F12 to quickly command the audio from the K3 main and sub: - F9 = listen A-B - F10 = listen A-A - F11 = listen B-B - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK the VFO's. This unique flexibility of the K3 is impossible in the DIVERSITY mode. so P L E A S E , keep LINK in there. 73 Arie PA3A Wayne Burdick schreef op 15-2-2015 om 5:04: Mike (et al), It's beta, experimental, subject to further revision. We took the original dual-PB out based on earlier feedback suggesting no one was using it (same with LINK). APF, in contrast, has been hugely popular. But with this input, we'll reconsider. Thanks, Wayne __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to als...@nc.rr.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9117 - Release Date: 02/15/15 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ho13d...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Joe, I agree with the last sentence. From my perspective (never use diversity) diversity got in the way and thus what the bad actor. Thus it ought to be relocated. It depends upon how you operate. Making something available as a programmable function doesn't mean one has some programmable button left to place it on. On 2/15/2015 15:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: On 2015-02-15 9:55 AM, brian wrote: Question: does anybody really use XFIL? Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. No, retaining the dual context CW filter and assigning APF to XFIL and Dual PB to the current DUAL PB function makes more sense. Leave DIV as SUB Hold as it is in 5.10 and make LINK available as a programmable function (LN0;/LN1;). Having LINK as SUB HOLD and DIV as an extra long hold is/was very difficult from an ergonomic perspective. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to als...@nc.rr.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9117 - Release Date: 02/15/15 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
On 15 Feb 2015, at 09:55, brian als...@nc.rr.com wrote: Question: does anybody really use XFIL? Yes. I would vote YES for keeping XFIL. 73, John K8AJS jebas...@fastmail.fm __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Hello Arie, I agree with you 'LINK' should not be abandoned. Please excuse my language, I would consider the idea of abandoning the 'LINK' is stupid. During APDXC 2012 in Icom HQ Osaka, I spoke to Mr. Inoue JA3FA that I did not understand why IC7800 did not have the function of LINK for both VFOA B so that I could use the dual receivers for diversity reception. I also mentioned that their competitor K3 had that function which I often used. Skillful use of diversity reception will enable you to pick up the odds even with simple antennae. 73 Johnny VR2XMC 寄件人︰ Arie Kleingeld PA3A p...@xs4all.nl 收件人︰ elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2015年02月16日 (週一) 1:10 AM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Tony LINK ties both VFO's to the mail freq dial en keeps them insync when you turn the dial knob. So both receivers keep working on the same freq. What I often use i diversity listening so with two receivers and two antennas on the samen freq. Diversity puts the main RX audio on the left ear of the headset, and the Sub on the right ear. That's the normal situation. In my case, the F9-F12 buttons in N1MM contain commands to the K3 that switch the audio to my liking (that can also be done in the Config, but that takes too much time during QSO) This way I can switch listening from diversity (listen both MainRX and SubRX at same time) to only main RX (main RX audio on both ears) or only sub RX (Sub RX audio on both ears) depending on where the signal is best. The commands to do this are in the programmers manual of the K3. It's really fun to control some beautiful K3 features from the keyboard like this. 73 Arie PA3A N2TK, Tony schreef op 15-2-2015 om 16:38: Hi Arie, I am not sure I understand what LINK does to help when both receivers are on the same freq. What does F9-F12 below do to help? Tnx N2TK, Tony . - F9 = listen A-B - F10 = listen A-A - F11 = listen B-B - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK the VFO's. __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
I would second the request to leave LINK in as well... Please! -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Mon, 2015-02-16 at 08:30 +1000, Gary Gregory wrote: Leave LINK as it is please. I wonder what the majority of k3 owners think? Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 16/02/2015 5:51 AM, Pierfrancesco Caci p...@tippete.net wrote: brian == brian als...@nc.rr.com writes: brian Question: does anybody really use XFIL? I do :) Maybe I should learn to use Norm I/II more, instead. -- Pierfrancesco Caci, ik5pvx __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzg...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Skillful use of diversity reception will enable you to pick up the odds even with simple antennae. Diversity is entirely different than LINK. Diversity as engaged by a one second HOLD of the SUB button in FW 5.10 (and a two second hold in prior firmware versions) uses the same synthesizer for both receivers so they are phase locked. LINK as engaged by a one second HOLD of the SUB button in prior versions of the software only slaves the two VFOs with a constant offset which means the two receivers will vary randomly in phase causing signals to fade in and out as the receivers vary from in-phase to out-of-phase and back. FW 5.10 simply moves true diversity to the one second hold of position of the SUB button - as it should be - instead of requiring a two second hold and relegates the inferior LINK to a programmable function. During APDXC 2012 in Icom HQ Osaka, I spoke to Mr. Inoue JA3FA that I did not understand why IC7800 did not have the function of LINK for both VFOA B so that I could use the dual receivers for diversity reception. The 7800 can not phase lock the two receivers. Their dual receive system is not capable of true diversity operation even if the receivers are tuned to the same frequency (as they can be with software like CI-V Commander - part of the DXLab Suite of software). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-15 7:51 PM, Johnny Siu wrote: Hello Arie, I agree with you 'LINK' should not be abandoned. Please excuse my language, I would consider the idea of abandoning the 'LINK' is stupid. During APDXC 2012 in Icom HQ Osaka, I spoke to Mr. Inoue JA3FA that I did not understand why IC7800 did not have the function of LINK for both VFOA B so that I could use the dual receivers for diversity reception. I also mentioned that their competitor K3 had that function which I often used. Skillful use of diversity reception will enable you to pick up the odds even with simple antennae. 73 Johnny VR2XMC 寄件人︰ Arie Kleingeld PA3A p...@xs4all.nl 收件人︰ elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2015年02月16日 (週一) 1:10 AM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Tony LINK ties both VFO's to the mail freq dial en keeps them insync when you turn the dial knob. So both receivers keep working on the same freq. What I often use i diversity listening so with two receivers and two antennas on the samen freq. Diversity puts the main RX audio on the left ear of the headset, and the Sub on the right ear. That's the normal situation. In my case, the F9-F12 buttons in N1MM contain commands to the K3 that switch the audio to my liking (that can also be done in the Config, but that takes too much time during QSO) This way I can switch listening from diversity (listen both MainRX and SubRX at same time) to only main RX (main RX audio on both ears) or only sub RX (Sub RX audio on both ears) depending on where the signal is best. The commands to do this are in the programmers manual of the K3. It's really fun to control some beautiful K3 features from the keyboard like this. 73 Arie PA3A N2TK, Tony schreef op 15-2-2015 om 16:38: Hi Arie, I am not sure I understand what LINK does to help when both receivers are on the same freq. What does F9-F12 below do to help? Tnx N2TK, Tony . - F9 = listen A-B - F10 = listen A-A - F11 = listen B-B - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK the VFO's. __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
brian == brian als...@nc.rr.com writes: brian Question: does anybody really use XFIL? I do :) Maybe I should learn to use Norm I/II more, instead. -- Pierfrancesco Caci, ik5pvx __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Leave LINK as it is please. I wonder what the majority of k3 owners think? Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 16/02/2015 5:51 AM, Pierfrancesco Caci p...@tippete.net wrote: brian == brian als...@nc.rr.com writes: brian Question: does anybody really use XFIL? I do :) Maybe I should learn to use Norm I/II more, instead. -- Pierfrancesco Caci, ik5pvx __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzg...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
It is probably true that Elecraft can never remove any existing feature
without upsetting some existing users... so the way forward would be to
add the new alternatives as *options*.
The point about options is: nobody is compelled to choose them! The
factory defaults would usually need to stay as they are, because of the
existing labels on the buttons and the front panel. So anyone who
doesn't want those new options would be able to carry on exactly as
before.
Those who do want to select new options would have to accept that the
existing 'tap' and 'hold' labels would no longer be quite accurate. For
me, that would be no big deal - my first priority is always what the
K3's controls *do*. But others will have different priorities, and that
is precisely why new features need to be offered as *options*.
But having said that...
Question: does anybody really use XFIL?
Why does the K3 have an XFIL control at all? It seems like a carry-over
from the K2, where the selectivity came from the crystal filters and the
XFIL button was the primary bandwidth control. But the bandwidth of the
K3 has always been defined primarily by the DSP so XFIL has never made
sense to me.
However, AB9CA makes a very valid point that the WIDTH control requires
excessive cranking at larger bandwidths. If the WIDTH, HIGH and LOW
functions could be improved by making their rates of change proportional
to the bandwidth, then there would be even less need or justification
for using XFIL.
Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense.
W4TV replied:
No, retaining the dual context CW filter and assigning APF to XFIL
and Dual PB to the current DUAL PB function makes more sense.
Agreed, that definitely isn't the right place to relocate the Diversity
function. There are already three existing functions competing for that
button, without adding another. I would support an option to replace
XFIL with APF as the main ('tap') function - which would then correspond
more closely to the KX3 - and to bring back DUAL PB for 'hold'.
Leave DIV as SUB Hold as it is in 5.10 and make LINK available
as a programmable function (LN0;/LN1;). Having LINK as SUB
HOLD and DIV as an extra long hold is/was very difficult from
an ergonomic perspective.
Agreed in every detail.
Finally, on the subject of an external button-box, I don't ever want to
see external boxes and macros being used as band-aids for existing
controls that don't function as effectively as they could. Much more can
still be done to improve the ergonomic 'rough edges' of the existing
front panel.
73 from Ian GM3SEK
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
YES - I use XFIL repeatedly to shutdown the IF or restore it to service when doing eme. I have DATA-A configured to use FL3 which has no filter installed in order to disconnect the 2nd IF when I am running MAP65. I tap off the 1st IF into the LP-Pan, to Delta44 soundcard. Why do I do that? FL2 is populated with 2.8-KHz filter and it sucks out at zero frequency on the MAP65 band display. selecting FL3 with XFIL allows me to have no load from the 2nd IF. But if I want to check signal levels with the S-meter I only have to tap XFIL to restore FL2. I use XFIL several times an hour on eme. Regarding use of Diversity - that IS why I bought the KRX3 subreceiver. I ALWAYS run Diversity reception when I select the subreceiver because it is integral to my dual-polarity adaptive receiving system (used on 2m-eme). I would consider loss of use of Diversity Reception a breach of contract by Elecraft. I have over $10k invested with the K3 Diversity Rx as central feature of the system. It IS why I bought the K3. On 2015-02-15 9:55 AM, brian wrote: Question: does anybody really use XFIL? Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. snip== 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Kits made by KL7UW Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Ed Your last paragraph, to me, is spot on. Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 16/02/2015 8:35 AM, Edward R Cole kl...@acsalaska.net wrote: YES - I use XFIL repeatedly to shutdown the IF or restore it to service when doing eme. I have DATA-A configured to use FL3 which has no filter installed in order to disconnect the 2nd IF when I am running MAP65. I tap off the 1st IF into the LP-Pan, to Delta44 soundcard. Why do I do that? FL2 is populated with 2.8-KHz filter and it sucks out at zero frequency on the MAP65 band display. selecting FL3 with XFIL allows me to have no load from the 2nd IF. But if I want to check signal levels with the S-meter I only have to tap XFIL to restore FL2. I use XFIL several times an hour on eme. Regarding use of Diversity - that IS why I bought the KRX3 subreceiver. I ALWAYS run Diversity reception when I select the subreceiver because it is integral to my dual-polarity adaptive receiving system (used on 2m-eme). I would consider loss of use of Diversity Reception a breach of contract by Elecraft. I have over $10k invested with the K3 Diversity Rx as central feature of the system. It IS why I bought the K3. On 2015-02-15 9:55 AM, brian wrote: Question: does anybody really use XFIL? Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. snip== 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Kits made by KL7UW Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzg...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
I don't think anyone is talking about getting rid of Diversity - which is one of the differentiating features of the K3. What many are saying - and what Elecraft did in 5.10 - is that removing the second SUB Hold function for the generally inferior LINK option is appropriate. ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-15 5:56 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: Ed Your last paragraph, to me, is spot on. Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 16/02/2015 8:35 AM, Edward R Cole kl...@acsalaska.net wrote: YES - I use XFIL repeatedly to shutdown the IF or restore it to service when doing eme. I have DATA-A configured to use FL3 which has no filter installed in order to disconnect the 2nd IF when I am running MAP65. I tap off the 1st IF into the LP-Pan, to Delta44 soundcard. Why do I do that? FL2 is populated with 2.8-KHz filter and it sucks out at zero frequency on the MAP65 band display. selecting FL3 with XFIL allows me to have no load from the 2nd IF. But if I want to check signal levels with the S-meter I only have to tap XFIL to restore FL2. I use XFIL several times an hour on eme. Regarding use of Diversity - that IS why I bought the KRX3 subreceiver. I ALWAYS run Diversity reception when I select the subreceiver because it is integral to my dual-polarity adaptive receiving system (used on 2m-eme). I would consider loss of use of Diversity Reception a breach of contract by Elecraft. I have over $10k invested with the K3 Diversity Rx as central feature of the system. It IS why I bought the K3. On 2015-02-15 9:55 AM, brian wrote: Question: does anybody really use XFIL? Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. snip== 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Kits made by KL7UW Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzg...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Hi Joe, I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. Myself, I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. So, how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? Thanks __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
I have LINK in use with a 5kc difference between vfo A and vfo B and i am constantly tuning around looking for dxpeditions who usually run split. It means for me a quick tap and i am split up 5 in ssb. I then fine tune when they are calling up 5-10 etc. Taking it away is simply not fair. I do not have the 2nd rcvr and i am not interested in diversity. I dont give a hoot if i am the only one using LINK, the fact remains i do and i feel i have a right to keep on using it.Captains Call Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 16/02/2015 12:16 PM, Tom Blahovici tom...@videotron.ca wrote: Hi Joe, I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. Myself, I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. So, how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? Thanks __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzg...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
Link uses both VFO's, with VFO A controlling main RX and VFO B controlling sub RX. Diversity uses only VFO A on *both* main RX and sub RX. Link memorizes the difference between VFO A and VFO B and maintains VFO B at that difference while VFO A is being tuned. If you do AB before link, it will still be two synthesizers that are not locked, just have the same current input parameters. In my case when I do this I rarely hear the band noise spreading out into the band noise sound stage needed for digging out weak discreet CW signals. Diversity is a phase lock between the two RX using the same set of frequency generating sources for both RX. This always produces the band noise sound stage. Note that the sound stage is not something generated in the K3. That is done in our minds by the same mechanism that allows us to pick out a single voice in a crowded noisy cafeteria. The band noise is spread out around the audio horizon or sound stage in my mind's ear. A discrete signal is in one place on the sound stage. My mind easily picks the discrete sound out of the spread-around noise. This is very much the same thing as listening to a stereo recording of an orchestra that begins with audience buzz, which is all over the audio horizon in my mind's ear. When the music begins I hear the violins to the left, though spread out a bit. I hear the tuba at a specific spot on the right. Once a K3 diversity RX operator has learned to use sound stage diversity, it is easily an S unit advantage on RX for a station at or in the noise that you can't see on the S meter. For me diversity is always on 160 through 40. Anything that craps diversity, for me throws away an S unit. If you are not getting the sound stage trying to use diversity, you really are not getting the benefit, and have some fun ahead of you when you do. 73, Guy K2AV On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Tom Blahovici tom...@videotron.ca wrote: Hi Joe, I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. Myself, I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. So, how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? Thanks __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2av@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
I am not Joe, but I can answer your question. In diversity mode, the K3 operates just like a single receiver as far as the controls are concerned (except for the audio effects attributed to diversity). In other words, if you are operating SPLIT, you would tune to the DX station with VFO A and transmit on VFO B. To listen to the pileup (on your TX frequency VFO B) you would hold the REV button to listen to the pileup as long as you hold the button, but if you wanted to not hold the button and switch to hear the pileup, the A/B button can be used to switch VFOs until you wanted to switch back (with the A/B button). Since you have both the mainRX and the subRX, it makes more sense to use the subRX in its normal mode where you set SPLIT on and listen to the DX on the subRX while transmitting on the mainRX frequency (the subRX frequency does not have transmit capability). There are some ways to reverse this, but I will not go into details, this is the 'fundamentals' of split operation. For linked VFOs, imagine you want to work DX operating with a fixed 2 kHz split while the DX station is changing his TX frequencies while maintaining the 2 kHz split - that does not happen very often (maybe never). You can set SPLIT on and separate the VFOs by 2 kHz then invoke LINK. The VFOs will always be 2 kHz apart. I don't think that situation occurs frequently. The only remote occasion I can foresee is for the QRP Foxhunts, but the Foxes rarely will operate SPLIT. Normally, the DX station stays on the same frequency and you would want to leave the RX VFO tuned to his frequency while you would want the TX VFO to tune to either the last station worked or a clear frequency within the pileup. The current TX VFO is displayed in the K3 or KX3 display by an arrow. Pay attention to that arrow lest the up cops become irritated with your transmissions. IMHO, the changes made in 5.10 simplify the use of the SUB button. No more short hold of the button to link the VFOs and no long hold to enable diversity. How many times have we seen posts to this reflector saying that the VFOs track each other. This is a result of the difference between a long hold and an extra long hold of the SUB button. Relegating the linked VFOs to a programmable function is a good idea IMHO. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/15/2015 9:15 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: Hi Joe, I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. Myself, I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. So, how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? Thanks __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
I never, ever use LINK. I use diversity often. I like the beta because it enables me to use the SUB button to toggle diversity, thus freeing up one of the programmable function keys for something else. I found the long hold unusable. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO On Feb 16, 2015, at 12:30 AM, Gary Gregory vk1zzg...@gmail.com wrote: Leave LINK as it is please. I wonder what the majority of k3 owners think? Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
On 2015-02-15 10:19 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Relegating the linked VFOs to a programmable function is a good idea IMHO. My point all along ... it's a real PITA to go through LINK every time I want to select diversity. However, I would make one concession ... since diversity requires the KRX3, if the KRX3 is not installed then allow a one second hold of the SUB button to select LINK. Otherwise, LINK is simply an annoyance. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
I use Diversity and I use Lock. With the Rx antenna and the Tx on the two different receivers and both of them locked, I find I copy stations sometimes better this way than with diversity. There's a slight attenuation with diversity and not so with the main sub linked. It depends on the individual signal for me to know when to use the main Rx alone, Link, or Diversity. Each one of them has their own benefits. 73, Gary KA1J Hi Joe, I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. Myself, I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. So, how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? Thanks __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to g...@ka1j.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK
OK, Thanks for the explanations. Very clear. Tom On Feb 15, 2015 10:19 PM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: I am not Joe, but I can answer your question. In diversity mode, the K3 operates just like a single receiver as far as the controls are concerned (except for the audio effects attributed to diversity). In other words, if you are operating SPLIT, you would tune to the DX station with VFO A and transmit on VFO B. To listen to the pileup (on your TX frequency VFO B) you would hold the REV button to listen to the pileup as long as you hold the button, but if you wanted to not hold the button and switch to hear the pileup, the A/B button can be used to switch VFOs until you wanted to switch back (with the A/B button). Since you have both the mainRX and the subRX, it makes more sense to use the subRX in its normal mode where you set SPLIT on and listen to the DX on the subRX while transmitting on the mainRX frequency (the subRX frequency does not have transmit capability). There are some ways to reverse this, but I will not go into details, this is the 'fundamentals' of split operation. For linked VFOs, imagine you want to work DX operating with a fixed 2 kHz split while the DX station is changing his TX frequencies while maintaining the 2 kHz split - that does not happen very often (maybe never). You can set SPLIT on and separate the VFOs by 2 kHz then invoke LINK. The VFOs will always be 2 kHz apart. I don't think that situation occurs frequently. The only remote occasion I can foresee is for the QRP Foxhunts, but the Foxes rarely will operate SPLIT. Normally, the DX station stays on the same frequency and you would want to leave the RX VFO tuned to his frequency while you would want the TX VFO to tune to either the last station worked or a clear frequency within the pileup. The current TX VFO is displayed in the K3 or KX3 display by an arrow. Pay attention to that arrow lest the up cops become irritated with your transmissions. IMHO, the changes made in 5.10 simplify the use of the SUB button. No more short hold of the button to link the VFOs and no long hold to enable diversity. How many times have we seen posts to this reflector saying that the VFOs track each other. This is a result of the difference between a long hold and an extra long hold of the SUB button. Relegating the linked VFOs to a programmable function is a good idea IMHO. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/15/2015 9:15 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: Hi Joe, I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. Myself, I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. So, how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? Thanks __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
