Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Display flashes "thr 4 OFF" intermittently

[Dave Fugleberg]

Thanks Fred -
When I get time, I might just pull the radio out of the rack and
remove/reset those pins...
Yeah, in the 'olden days'  (mid 80s in my case) I was a bench tech fixing
dumb terminals from airports, among other things..they were connected to
each other in a daisy-chained serial 'party line'.  I could usually tell
how strong the lightning-induced surge was by how many components were
blown and how charred the circuit board was...

73 de W0ZF

On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 1:34 PM Fred Jensen  wrote:

> Much of the K3 functionality as a radio is analog on the main RF board
> [well, except for the DSP of course].  I believe that many [most?] of the
> signals on the Coveted Golden Connector Pins are digital chatter between
> the brains and the other parts of the radio that tell them what to do but
> don't affect the functionality.  i.e. it might go to the wrong band, or
> BAND +/- might affect the mode instead, but all of the radio still works
> fine.  If you are so inclined to do a little bench work, you might try
> removing and reseating those connectors a couple of times ... maybe with a
> light coat of DeOxit.
>
> Good luck.  In the "Olden Days," you could almost always find the problem
> by looking in the corner of the chassis where the small fire had started.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> Dave Fugleberg wrote on 11/8/2023 11:13 AM:
>
> I thought about that, Fred, but my serial number is in the low 8000s. I
> assembled the kit. It came with the gold pins.
> Could still be a bad connection I suppose. I've found at least 4 different
> ways to trigger the behavior, but it doesn't seem to affect any
> functionality.
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 1:04 PM Fred Jensen  wrote:
>
>> Has your K3 received the coveted Golden Connector Pins?  Mine [S/N 642]
>> began doing things like that, especially on the BAND+/- and MODE +/-
>> buttons.  Pressing really hard would sometimes make it work.  The K-POD
>> proved to be a work around, but the new connector pins on a trip to the
>> factory for another problem solved it.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>> Dave Fugleberg wrote on 11/8/2023 9:16 AM:
>>
>> Thanks Keith - I totally missed that in the manual, as it's been a long
>> time since I've used the decode feature. I tried changing the threshold to
>> Auto...now I get the same behavior as before, except when it flashes it
>> says thr Auto.  So it's definitely showing me that menu setting, but I have
>> no idea why.
>> I should mention that the behavior does not occur every time. It happens
>> nearly any time i use the REV button, but maybe only one of of every 4-5
>> band changes will trigger it.  As noted, this happens sometimes when
>> changing bands via CAT, so it's not just from poking the front panel.
>> 73 de W0ZF
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 10:50 AM Keith Trinity WE6R  
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> That "thr  4" is from the TEXT DEC  settings.
>> Long press CWT/0 (zero) button to see the setting.
>> I would think it would not do anything if "OFF", but try setting the
>> upper to AUTO or something.
>> There is a ton of info in the manual...
>> Keith WE6R K3/K4 Tech
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Display flashes "thr 4 OFF" intermittently

[Dave Fugleberg]

Thanks Jack. I've never used macros, and none are shown in the K3 utility,
so I don't think that's the issue.  I've identified at least 4 ways to
trigger the strange behavior from the front panel, and one via CAT.
73 de W0ZF

On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 1:34 PM Jack Brindle  wrote:

>  the behavior I might expect if a macro was being executed. Is it possible
> that you have one saved, either in the K3 or the computer that is set to
> trigger at the times you noted? Mostly they execute so fast you don’t see
> the activity, but if the K3 is busy it might slow down a ways. Band change
> is one of those times.
>
> 73,
> Jack, W6FB
>
> On Nov 8, 2023, at 1:04 PM, Fred Jensen  wrote:
>
> Has your K3 received the coveted Golden Connector Pins?  Mine [S/N 642]
> began doing things like that, especially on the BAND+/- and MODE +/-
> buttons.  Pressing really hard would sometimes make it work.  The K-POD
> proved to be a work around, but the new connector pins on a trip to the
> factory for another problem solved it.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> Dave Fugleberg wrote on 11/8/2023 9:16 AM:
>
> Thanks Keith - I totally missed that in the manual, as it's been a long
> time since I've used the decode feature. I tried changing the threshold to
> Auto...now I get the same behavior as before, except when it flashes it
> says thr Auto.  So it's definitely showing me that menu setting, but I have
> no idea why.
> I should mention that the behavior does not occur every time. It happens
> nearly any time i use the REV button, but maybe only one of of every 4-5
> band changes will trigger it.  As noted, this happens sometimes when
> changing bands via CAT, so it's not just from poking the front panel.
> 73 de W0ZF
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 10:50 AM Keith Trinity WE6R 
> wrote:
>
> That "thr  4" is from the TEXT DEC  settings.
> Long press CWT/0 (zero) button to see the setting.
> I would think it would not do anything if "OFF", but try setting the
> upper to AUTO or something.
> There is a ton of info in the manual...
> Keith WE6R K3/K4 Tech
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Display flashes "thr 4 OFF" intermittently

[Fred Jensen]

Much of the K3 functionality as a radio is analog on the main RF board 
[well, except for the DSP of course].  I believe that many [most?] of 
the signals on the Coveted Golden Connector Pins are digital chatter 
between the brains and the other parts of the radio that tell them what 
to do but don't affect the functionality.  i.e. it might go to the wrong 
band, or BAND +/- might affect the mode instead, but all of the radio 
still works fine.  If you are so inclined to do a little bench work, you 
might try removing and reseating those connectors a couple of times ... 
maybe with a light coat of DeOxit.


Good luck.  In the "Olden Days," you could almost always find the 
problem by looking in the corner of the chassis where the small fire had 
started.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Dave Fugleberg wrote on 11/8/2023 11:13 AM:
I thought about that, Fred, but my serial number is in the low 8000s. 
I assembled the kit. It came with the gold pins.
Could still be a bad connection I suppose. I've found at least 4 
different ways to trigger the behavior, but it doesn't seem to affect 
any functionality.


On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 1:04 PM Fred Jensen > wrote:


Has your K3 received the coveted Golden Connector Pins?  Mine [S/N
642] began doing things like that, especially on the BAND+/- and
MODE +/- buttons.  Pressing really hard would sometimes make it
work.  The K-POD proved to be a work around, but the new connector
pins on a trip to the factory for another problem solved it.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Dave Fugleberg wrote on 11/8/2023 9:16 AM:

Thanks Keith - I totally missed that in the manual, as it's been a long
time since I've used the decode feature. I tried changing the threshold to
Auto...now I get the same behavior as before, except when it flashes it
says thr Auto.  So it's definitely showing me that menu setting, but I have
no idea why.
I should mention that the behavior does not occur every time. It happens
nearly any time i use the REV button, but maybe only one of of every 4-5
band changes will trigger it.  As noted, this happens sometimes when
changing bands via CAT, so it's not just from poking the front panel.
73 de W0ZF

On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 10:50 AM Keith Trinity WE6R 

wrote:


That "thr  4" is from the TEXT DEC  settings.
Long press CWT/0 (zero) button to see the setting.
I would think it would not do anything if "OFF", but try setting the
upper to AUTO or something.
There is a ton of info in the manual...
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Display flashes "thr 4 OFF" intermittently

[Jack Brindle via Elecraft]

 the behavior I might expect if a macro was being executed. Is it possible that 
you have one saved, either in the K3 or the computer that is set to trigger at 
the times you noted? Mostly they execute so fast you don’t see the activity, 
but if the K3 is busy it might slow down a ways. Band change is one of those 
times.

73,
Jack, W6FB

> On Nov 8, 2023, at 1:04 PM, Fred Jensen  wrote:
> 
> Has your K3 received the coveted Golden Connector Pins?  Mine [S/N 642] began 
> doing things like that, especially on the BAND+/- and MODE +/- buttons.  
> Pressing really hard would sometimes make it work.  The K-POD proved to be a 
> work around, but the new connector pins on a trip to the factory for another 
> problem solved it.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> Dave Fugleberg wrote on 11/8/2023 9:16 AM:
>> Thanks Keith - I totally missed that in the manual, as it's been a long
>> time since I've used the decode feature. I tried changing the threshold to
>> Auto...now I get the same behavior as before, except when it flashes it
>> says thr Auto.  So it's definitely showing me that menu setting, but I have
>> no idea why.
>> I should mention that the behavior does not occur every time. It happens
>> nearly any time i use the REV button, but maybe only one of of every 4-5
>> band changes will trigger it.  As noted, this happens sometimes when
>> changing bands via CAT, so it's not just from poking the front panel.
>> 73 de W0ZF
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 10:50 AM Keith Trinity WE6R 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> That "thr  4" is from the TEXT DEC  settings.
>>> Long press CWT/0 (zero) button to see the setting.
>>> I would think it would not do anything if "OFF", but try setting the
>>> upper to AUTO or something.
>>> There is a ton of info in the manual...
>>> Keith WE6R K3/K4 Tech
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Display flashes "thr 4 OFF" intermittently

[Dave Fugleberg]

I thought about that, Fred, but my serial number is in the low 8000s. I
assembled the kit. It came with the gold pins.
Could still be a bad connection I suppose. I've found at least 4 different
ways to trigger the behavior, but it doesn't seem to affect any
functionality.

On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 1:04 PM Fred Jensen  wrote:

> Has your K3 received the coveted Golden Connector Pins?  Mine [S/N 642]
> began doing things like that, especially on the BAND+/- and MODE +/-
> buttons.  Pressing really hard would sometimes make it work.  The K-POD
> proved to be a work around, but the new connector pins on a trip to the
> factory for another problem solved it.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> Dave Fugleberg wrote on 11/8/2023 9:16 AM:
>
> Thanks Keith - I totally missed that in the manual, as it's been a long
> time since I've used the decode feature. I tried changing the threshold to
> Auto...now I get the same behavior as before, except when it flashes it
> says thr Auto.  So it's definitely showing me that menu setting, but I have
> no idea why.
> I should mention that the behavior does not occur every time. It happens
> nearly any time i use the REV button, but maybe only one of of every 4-5
> band changes will trigger it.  As noted, this happens sometimes when
> changing bands via CAT, so it's not just from poking the front panel.
> 73 de W0ZF
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 10:50 AM Keith Trinity WE6R  
> 
> wrote:
>
>
> That "thr  4" is from the TEXT DEC  settings.
> Long press CWT/0 (zero) button to see the setting.
> I would think it would not do anything if "OFF", but try setting the
> upper to AUTO or something.
> There is a ton of info in the manual...
> Keith WE6R K3/K4 Tech
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Display flashes "thr 4 OFF" intermittently

[Fred Jensen]

Has your K3 received the coveted Golden Connector Pins? Mine [S/N 642] 
began doing things like that, especially on the BAND+/- and MODE +/- 
buttons.  Pressing really hard would sometimes make it work.  The K-POD 
proved to be a work around, but the new connector pins on a trip to the 
factory for another problem solved it.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Dave Fugleberg wrote on 11/8/2023 9:16 AM:

Thanks Keith - I totally missed that in the manual, as it's been a long
time since I've used the decode feature. I tried changing the threshold to
Auto...now I get the same behavior as before, except when it flashes it
says thr Auto.  So it's definitely showing me that menu setting, but I have
no idea why.
I should mention that the behavior does not occur every time. It happens
nearly any time i use the REV button, but maybe only one of of every 4-5
band changes will trigger it.  As noted, this happens sometimes when
changing bands via CAT, so it's not just from poking the front panel.
73 de W0ZF

On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 10:50 AM Keith Trinity WE6R
wrote:


That "thr  4" is from the TEXT DEC  settings.
Long press CWT/0 (zero) button to see the setting.
I would think it would not do anything if "OFF", but try setting the
upper to AUTO or something.
There is a ton of info in the manual...
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Display flashes "thr 4 OFF" intermittently

[Fred Jensen]

Has your K3 received the coveted Golden Connector Pins?  Mine [S/N 642] 
began doing things like that, especially on the BAND+/- and MODE +/- 
buttons.  Pressing really hard would sometimes make it work.  The K-POD 
proved to be a work around, but the new connector pins on a trip to the 
factory for another problem solved it.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Dave Fugleberg wrote on 11/8/2023 9:16 AM:

Thanks Keith - I totally missed that in the manual, as it's been a long
time since I've used the decode feature. I tried changing the threshold to
Auto...now I get the same behavior as before, except when it flashes it
says thr Auto.  So it's definitely showing me that menu setting, but I have
no idea why.
I should mention that the behavior does not occur every time. It happens
nearly any time i use the REV button, but maybe only one of of every 4-5
band changes will trigger it.  As noted, this happens sometimes when
changing bands via CAT, so it's not just from poking the front panel.
73 de W0ZF

On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 10:50 AM Keith Trinity WE6R 
wrote:


That "thr  4" is from the TEXT DEC  settings.
Long press CWT/0 (zero) button to see the setting.
I would think it would not do anything if "OFF", but try setting the
upper to AUTO or something.
There is a ton of info in the manual...
Keith WE6R K3/K4 Tech



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Display flashes "thr 4 OFF" intermittently

[Dave Fugleberg]

Thanks Keith - I totally missed that in the manual, as it's been a long
time since I've used the decode feature. I tried changing the threshold to
Auto...now I get the same behavior as before, except when it flashes it
says thr Auto.  So it's definitely showing me that menu setting, but I have
no idea why.
I should mention that the behavior does not occur every time. It happens
nearly any time i use the REV button, but maybe only one of of every 4-5
band changes will trigger it.  As noted, this happens sometimes when
changing bands via CAT, so it's not just from poking the front panel.
73 de W0ZF

On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 10:50 AM Keith Trinity WE6R 
wrote:

> That "thr  4" is from the TEXT DEC  settings.
> Long press CWT/0 (zero) button to see the setting.
> I would think it would not do anything if "OFF", but try setting the
> upper to AUTO or something.
> There is a ton of info in the manual...
> Keith WE6R K3/K4 Tech
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Display flashes "thr 4 OFF" intermittently

[Keith Trinity WE6R]

That "thr  4" is from the TEXT DEC  settings.
Long press CWT/0 (zero) button to see the setting.
I would think it would not do anything if "OFF", but try setting the 
upper to AUTO or something.

There is a ton of info in the manual...
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[Elecraft] K3 - Display flashes "thr 4 OFF" intermittently

[Dave Fugleberg]

I've noticed some strange behavior with my K3 lately.  Sometimes the
display will flash twice very quickly and beep twice. I had to take a video
with my phone to see what it says because it happens quickly.  The upper
part of the LCD says "thr4", and the lower part says "OFF" when this
happens.
This seems to be triggered when I do one of these three things:
Change band with the BAND button
Change band via CAT command
Press, then release the REV button.

It doesn't seem to hurt anything, but it's sure annoying.

The only thing i can find in the menus remotely close to this is the AGC
Onset point, (which IS set to 4 on my rig), but that display in the menu
shows 004 on top and AGC THR on the bottom.

Any ideas what causes this? The radio SN is in the low 8000s.

73 de W0ZF
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[Elecraft] K3 Display Won't Shut Off

[Bob McGraw]

One should / must turn the radio off using the POWER button on the radio 
BEFORE shutting off the power supply.  Otherwise said, never turn off 
the power supply with the radio on.   Why?   There is a PDI {Power Down 
Immanent} circuit that saves the current data configuration in the power 
down process.   If the power supply is shut off first, the PDI event 
won't happen.


I know it's your radio, use it as you choose, but don't be surprised 
when things come up whacky.


73

Bob, K4TAX


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display Won't Shut Off

[Jack Brindle via Elecraft]

VGA cables are incompatible with the KPA500 and KPA1500. You will need a 
straight-through cable. BUT, you also need some pins removed. The power pin of 
the K3 is not compatible with the power pin of the KPA500 or KPA1500, and will 
result in the problems you have seen.
The cable is described in the KPA500 manual, rev E1 on page 45. I’m not sure 
where it is in the KPA1500 manual, but I would be surprised if we didn’t 
include the same table there.

73,
Jack, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering

> On Sep 17, 2021, at 7:47 AM, Jim McCook  wrote:
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> Now I see what's going on.  Originally I used the Elecraft cable between the 
> K3 ACC and the KPA1500 and everything was OK.  The K3 could be powered down 
> normally.  When I moved that K3 to a spare position, that cable wasn't long 
> enough, so I ordered an extension VGA cable.  This is when the problem 
> occurred.  Apparently the extension is the problem withh pin 8. Will see what 
> Elecraft Support says.  73, Jim W6YA
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display Won't Shut Off

[Jim McCook]

Now I see what's going on.  Originally I used the Elecraft cable between 
the K3 ACC and the KPA1500 and everything was OK.  The K3 could be 
powered down normally.  When I moved that K3 to a spare position, that 
cable wasn't long enough, so I ordered an extension VGA cable.  This is 
when the problem occurred.  Apparently the extension is the problem 
withh pin 8. Will see what Elecraft Support says.  73, Jim W6YA

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display Won't Shut Off

[Ray]

Yes, Alarm and Remote Operations Settings.
Ray WA6VAB  K3

Windows  0


From: Drew AF2Z
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 5:13 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display Won't Shut Off

I've had the same effect by setting the K3's Alarm to ON then turning 
off the p/s. When the p/s is turned on again (and maybe the K3 Power 
button pressed; I forget the exact sequence now) the LCD backlight comes 
on. So, you might want to check the Alarm setting.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On 09/16/21 18:30, Jim McCook wrote:
> When I plug the ACC connector cable for the KPA1500 into my newly 
> acquired spare K3, the POWER button doesn't shut off the backlight in 
> the display or the P3 that's connected to it.  As soon as I remove that 
> connector or shut off the PS, it powers down normally.
> 
> This doesn't happen with the other K3 using the same cable.  All is normal.
> 
> Looking in the archives I saw something about a D10 removal, but 
> couldn't find the specific info as to where it is and what the access 
> is.  It was described as an early mod, but this K3 is a later version 
> #6695.  Any specific ideas where the problem is and how to fix it?
> 
> 73, Jim W6YA
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display Won't Shut Off

[Drew AF2Z]

I've had the same effect by setting the K3's Alarm to ON then turning 
off the p/s. When the p/s is turned on again (and maybe the K3 Power 
button pressed; I forget the exact sequence now) the LCD backlight comes 
on. So, you might want to check the Alarm setting.


73,
Drew
AF2Z


On 09/16/21 18:30, Jim McCook wrote:
When I plug the ACC connector cable for the KPA1500 into my newly 
acquired spare K3, the POWER button doesn't shut off the backlight in 
the display or the P3 that's connected to it.  As soon as I remove that 
connector or shut off the PS, it powers down normally.


This doesn't happen with the other K3 using the same cable.  All is normal.

Looking in the archives I saw something about a D10 removal, but 
couldn't find the specific info as to where it is and what the access 
is.  It was described as an early mod, but this K3 is a later version 
#6695.  Any specific ideas where the problem is and how to fix it?


73, Jim W6YA
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[Elecraft] K3 Display Won't Shut Off

[Jim McCook]

When I plug the ACC connector cable for the KPA1500 into my newly 
acquired spare K3, the POWER button doesn't shut off the backlight in 
the display or the P3 that's connected to it.  As soon as I remove that 
connector or shut off the PS, it powers down normally.


This doesn't happen with the other K3 using the same cable.  All is normal.

Looking in the archives I saw something about a D10 removal, but 
couldn't find the specific info as to where it is and what the access 
is.  It was described as an early mod, but this K3 is a later version 
#6695.  Any specific ideas where the problem is and how to fix it?


73, Jim W6YA
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display (Was K2 display)

[Nr4c]

Why keep asking the same question?

The answer is always “No”. 

There’s an old saying about asking a question over and over and expecting a 
different answer  

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 1, 2018, at 5:47 PM, Bert Craig  wrote:
> 
> I occasionally pose this question. Is there any way to make the K3S display 
> green like the K2?
> 
> Vy 73 de Bert
> WA2SI
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Don Wilhelm 
> To: Frank Krozel , elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Sun, 01 Jul 2018 12:02
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 display
> 
> Frank,
> 
> The K2 had backlighting since Day 1.  You could turn on/off the 
> backlighting by selecting the menu LCD Nite or Day.
> For the K1, it was an option that was developed some time after the K1 
> was announced.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 6/30/2018 12:15 PM, Frank Krozel wrote:
>> 
>> Trying to recall (I have had some 10 K2’s) were there any that were produced 
>> without backlighting?
>> de KG9H
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display (Was K2 display)

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

I suggest to one other to visit the local auto window tint place.   Get 
a scrap of light green window tint, cut it to size and put it on the 
plastic overlay for the display.    Or if you know someone in the 
performance theater circles, get a piece of light gel which they use on 
spots.   Easy to put on and easy to remove if you don't care for it.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/1/2018 7:09 PM, Martin Sole wrote:
I think the solution to that particular problem is called the TS590. 
Unfortunately it comes with some other compromises.

That said, I think a green display on the K3 would be awesome.

In a similar, slightly humorous vein I wanted to replace some dial 
lamps on an old Yaesu with LED's. I had some white LED's and some 
sandpaper so set to work creating a degree of diffusion. Happy with 
the result I did a couple more and put them in the rig. The horror 
show started straight away. The 'white' LED's were in fact 
multi-colour of the seizure inducing kind, I guess they must call them 
rainbow LED's they change colour fast, then slow, then flash all 
colours in rapid succession. Quite the impression but not quite the 
right effect.


Martin, HS0ZED



On 02/07/2018 04:47, Bert Craig wrote:
I occasionally pose this question. Is there any way to make the K3S 
display green like the K2?


Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI

-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm 
To: Frank Krozel , elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, 01 Jul 2018 12:02
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 display

Frank,

The K2 had backlighting since Day 1.  You could turn on/off the
backlighting by selecting the menu LCD Nite or Day.
For the K1, it was an option that was developed some time after the K1
was announced.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/30/2018 12:15 PM, Frank Krozel wrote:
Trying to recall (I have had some 10 K2’s) were there any that were 
produced without backlighting?

de KG9H

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display (Was K2 display)

[Martin Sole]

I think the solution to that particular problem is called the TS590. 
Unfortunately it comes with some other compromises.

That said, I think a green display on the K3 would be awesome.

In a similar, slightly humorous vein I wanted to replace some dial lamps 
on an old Yaesu with LED's. I had some white LED's and some sandpaper so 
set to work creating a degree of diffusion. Happy with the result I did 
a couple more and put them in the rig. The horror show started straight 
away. The 'white' LED's were in fact multi-colour of the seizure 
inducing kind, I guess they must call them rainbow LED's they change 
colour fast, then slow, then flash all colours in rapid succession. 
Quite the impression but not quite the right effect.


Martin, HS0ZED



On 02/07/2018 04:47, Bert Craig wrote:

I occasionally pose this question. Is there any way to make the K3S display 
green like the K2?

Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI

-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm 
To: Frank Krozel , elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, 01 Jul 2018 12:02
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 display

Frank,

The K2 had backlighting since Day 1.  You could turn on/off the
backlighting by selecting the menu LCD Nite or Day.
For the K1, it was an option that was developed some time after the K1
was announced.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/30/2018 12:15 PM, Frank Krozel wrote:

Trying to recall (I have had some 10 K2’s) were there any that were produced 
without backlighting?
de KG9H

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display (Was K2 display)

[Bert Craig]

I occasionally pose this question. Is there any way to make the K3S display 
green like the K2?

Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI

-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm 
To: Frank Krozel , elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, 01 Jul 2018 12:02
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 display

Frank,

The K2 had backlighting since Day 1.  You could turn on/off the 
backlighting by selecting the menu LCD Nite or Day.
For the K1, it was an option that was developed some time after the K1 
was announced.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/30/2018 12:15 PM, Frank Krozel wrote:
> 
> Trying to recall (I have had some 10 K2’s) were there any that were produced 
> without backlighting?
> de KG9H
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display - Outdoors

[Robie Elms]

Wayne,

Thanks for your quick response.

Robie - AJ4F

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 11:01 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> Hi Robie,
>
> All of our transceivers, including the K3 and K3S, use a custom
> transflective LCD with high-contrast, easy to read segments. At night you
> can use the backlight. But they're also visible in even the most intense
> directly sunlight. You’ll have no trouble with visibility.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 11, 2018, at 3:15 PM, Robie Elms  wrote:
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> > All,
> >
> > I am planning some outdoor operation.  How visible is the K3 display
> > outside in the sun?  Any suggestions for improving visibility?
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display - Outdoors

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi Robie,

All of our transceivers, including the K3 and K3S, use a custom transflective 
LCD with high-contrast, easy to read segments. At night you can use the 
backlight. But they're also visible in even the most intense directly sunlight. 
You’ll have no trouble with visibility.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

 


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> All,
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> I am planning some outdoor operation.  How visible is the K3 display
> outside in the sun?  Any suggestions for improving visibility?
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display - Outdoors

[Bill Frantz]

When we operate radios on a picnic table in the sun, we put the 
radio in a cardboard box to provide shade. It seems to work well.


73 Bill AE6JV

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I am planning some outdoor operation.  How visible is the K3 display
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[Elecraft] K3 Display - Outdoors

[Robie Elms]

All,

I am planning some outdoor operation.  How visible is the K3 display
outside in the sun?  Any suggestions for improving visibility?

Robie - AJ4F
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft]

Lets close this thread now in the interest of relieving list reader overload. 

Eric
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> On Jun 4, 2017, at 4:35 AM, Drew AF2Z  wrote:
> 
> Not at all. Slightly large than a K3 perhaps. And requiring several separated 
> LCD panels instead of the "one big display" design.
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
> 
> 
> 
>> On 06/01/17 10:39, Nr4c wrote:
>> And the front panel would be the size of a 40 inch TV.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Drew AF2Z  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these two 
>>> rules:
>>> 
>>> 1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge 
>>> screen".)
>>> 
>>> 2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position, rotation, 
>>> dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located directly adjacent 
>>> to a screen area where its state is displayed.
>>> 
>>> IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and 
>>> having to look half way across the panel to the other side to see what the 
>>> state of that control is.
>>> 
>>> I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying rig 
>>> to operate.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Drew
>>> AF2Z
>>> 
>>> 
 On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
 I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
 one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
 displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Drew AF2Z]

Not at all. Slightly large than a K3 perhaps. And requiring several 
separated LCD panels instead of the "one big display" design.


73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 06/01/17 10:39, Nr4c wrote:

And the front panel would be the size of a 40 inch TV.

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On May 31, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Drew AF2Z  wrote:

I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these two 
rules:

1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge 
screen".)

2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position, rotation, 
dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located directly adjacent to 
a screen area where its state is displayed.

IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and having to 
look half way across the panel to the other side to see what the state of that 
control is.

I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying rig to 
operate.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Nr4c]

And the front panel would be the size of a 40 inch TV. 

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> On May 31, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Drew AF2Z  wrote:
> 
> I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these two 
> rules:
> 
> 1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge 
> screen".)
> 
> 2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position, rotation, 
> dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located directly adjacent 
> to a screen area where its state is displayed.
> 
> IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and having 
> to look half way across the panel to the other side to see what the state of 
> that control is.
> 
> I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying rig 
> to operate.
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
> 
> 
>> On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>> -
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Drew AF2Z]

I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these 
two rules:


1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge 
screen".)


2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position, 
rotation, dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located 
directly adjacent to a screen area where its state is displayed.


IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and 
having to look half way across the panel to the other side to see what 
the state of that control is.


I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying 
rig to operate.


73,
Drew
AF2Z


On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote:

I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 display is dated.

[Jim Brown]

My sentiments exactly.  Everything I need to see and all the controls I 
need for day to day operation is on the K3/K3S front panel and easy to 
find/use.  This concern with appearances strongly reminds me of consumer 
audio and video products, which have small white lettering on a black 
chassis that's so hard to read that you need to look up close with a 
flashlight! My last HF rigs were a pair of used FT1000MPs. Took up WAY 
too much space on my desktop, cluttered display, much less intuitive, 
difficult/poorly documented menu structure, much more confusing, than 
the K3 that replaced them.


Because I use my much more compact KX3 only occasionally for portable 
operations, I do find myself looking for controls. But they're labeled, 
so I eventually find them. :)


I don't buy stuff to impress my friends. I buy it to use it!

73, Jim K9YC

On Tue,5/30/2017 6:08 PM, William Levy wrote:

I don't care about the display. I care about how the radio works. How it
hears and how it talks.
How it works in contest or expedition environments. If display is that
important you buy a FLEX and it's as big as can be.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Fred Jensen]

I am colorblind... as in monochrome. The color waterfall on the P3 is 
barely usable for me.  The monochrome option is perfect.  I've used an 
IC-7600 and a PRO3 on county expeditions for the Cal QSOwhich 
[apparently] are quite colorful. It's a real strain for me.  K3 is just 
fine the way it is.  My Heath MM-1 is certainly "dated." It works just fine.


73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/30/2017 4:19 PM, Al Lorona wrote:

Whenever this thread comes up-- and it has several times before-- I usually 
point toward the displays on the most advanced commercial aircraft in the skies 
for comparison. In this context, a pilot needs to know a few (or several) 
critical pieces of information instantly, and easily, and can't be captivated 
by eye candy. If your shiny new Kensucom's display looked like this, you 
probably wouldn't buy it:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737max/news/new-flight-deck-displays.page  
(watch closely at the 0:43 mark)



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Erik Basilier]

Just for the record, when I refer to a possible dot matrix display for a
radio, I envision something with the resolution of an iPad, i.e. you can't
see the dots, and it can be made to look exactly like the current display.

73,
Erik

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:22 PM
To: Nr4c <n...@widomaker.com>
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

Looks like there is a winner somewhere.  The Image is changing. Look at the
display in the KPA1500.

A preview of something to match?

73,
Bob
K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR




On 5/31/2017 12:03 AM, Nr4c wrote:
> I'm not sure why users get so involved in a discussion on topics like
this. The amber LCD display is part of the Elecraft image. They use it on
the K3, KX2, KX3 and K3S. It's not going to change so pick another battle!
One you can win.
> 
> Or, wait for the K4 in a couple years and it will likely have all or most
features that have been suggested but never added to the K3 line.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ..nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On May 30, 2017, at 9:00 PM, brian <als...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> Agree.  However, there is a need to update the "displays" for functions
that were shoe horned into the K3 well after the display was cast in
concrete.
>>
>> Things like a flashing decimal point.  What the heck does that mean?
>> There are about a dozen such "non-intuitive" displays which could benefit
from some more obvious icon.
>>
>> It would also be nice if the DATA display would actually tell us which K3
data mode is being used.
>>
>> The chief beneficiaries would be people who use the K3 stand alone with
no computer.  Logging programs generally solve the above problems.
>>
>> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 5/31/2017 0:26 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works 
>>> every time.
>>> While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not 
>>> convey relevant information, or that information is buried in the 
>>> 'glitz' and not easily recognized at a glance.
>>>
>>> The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate 
>>> display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance.  Other 
>>> functions are indicated to tell you what is going on.  Everything 
>>> needed is there.
>>>
>>> I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet.  
>>> I have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest.
>>>
>>> Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus 
>>> touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example).  
>>> That uncertainty is not something I need in a radio.
>>>
>>> 73,
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Bob]

Looks like there is a winner somewhere.  The Image is changing. Look at the 
display in the KPA1500.


A preview of something to match?

73,
Bob
K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR




On 5/31/2017 12:03 AM, Nr4c wrote:

I'm not sure why users get so involved in a discussion on topics like this. The 
amber LCD display is part of the Elecraft image. They use it on the K3, KX2, 
KX3 and K3S. It's not going to change so pick another battle!  One you can win.

Or, wait for the K4 in a couple years and it will likely have all or most 
features that have been suggested but never added to the K3 line.

Sent from my iPhone
..nr4c. bill



On May 30, 2017, at 9:00 PM, brian  wrote:

Don,

Agree.  However, there is a need to update the "displays" for functions that 
were shoe horned into the K3 well after the display was cast in concrete.

Things like a flashing decimal point.  What the heck does that mean?
There are about a dozen such "non-intuitive" displays which could benefit from 
some more obvious icon.

It would also be nice if the DATA display would actually tell us which K3 data 
mode is being used.

The chief beneficiaries would be people who use the K3 stand alone with no 
computer.  Logging programs generally solve the above problems.

73 de Brian/K3KO




On 5/31/2017 0:26 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works
every time.
While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not convey
relevant information, or that information is buried in the 'glitz' and
not easily recognized at a glance.

The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate
display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance.  Other
functions are indicated to tell you what is going on.  Everything needed
is there.

I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet.  I
have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest.

Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus
touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example).  That
uncertainty is not something I need in a radio.

73,

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Erik Basilier]

 eye find and return to specific items. However the implementer would
have to be very careful, as many people are to some degree color blind, and
the worst case is where a display item would look too dim to an affected
individual. I believe my vision is normal, but many times I run across a web
page using a lot of deep blue text that seems so dark as to be almost
unreadable. I would not be surprised if some buyers of currently available
radios with colorful displays find some particular colors annoying. Maybe
color is one case where configurability would make sense: Use knob to move
through all display fields, and for the currently highlighted field let the
user rotate through a number of possible color selections. 

73,
Erik K7TV


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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

Good to see this functionality being added to N1MM, with luck some of the
SDR developers will pick this up and it can be implemented externally to the
K-line.

To be honest for situational awareness during a contest having a 24"
monitor with 2.5M or more pixels (or larger) above the desk fed with an SDR
that's sitting in the RX Loop of the K3 monitoring the entire HF band
(>300kHz) gives you both the resolution bandwidth AND video bandwidth
necessary to process this information.

I've seen a similar concept in one of the Mac based loggers (MacLoggerDX?)
where spots are placed across a pseudo frequency dial, it doesn't take long
on a low res screen for it to become unreadable and unusable.

The additional info from N1MM on top of a waterfall display will make this
all the better for search and pounce contest operation.  This feature is one
of the situations where size does matter.

73

Matthew
VK5ZM

On 31 May 2017 at 11:28, Luis V. Romero <lromer...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> I completely agree with Ken K6MR!
>
> I rarely, if ever, touch the radio. I sometimes twirl the main VFO 
> knobs, but frankly, out of habit.
>
> 90% of my interface is via the computer keyboard (N1MMLogger +. Oh, 
> yes, I'm one of those "Durn Contesters!").
>
> But there are very interesting things on the horizon.
>
> I had a very long talk with Tom Wagner, N1MM at the Dayton Contest 
> Suite Friday night while Spurious Emissions played in the other room.  
> He showed me his new Logger feature: I call it "Active Bandmap".  It's 
> a bandmap window that integrates live information from an Icom 7300 
> spectrum display and the spotting network data and displays it, 
> dynamically, right on the logger screen.  It integrates spots, signal 
> strength and labels the pips with the callsign from spot data.
>
> I have a friend with a 7300 and will start playing with this feature 
> next week (I have a repeater to install this week ).
>
> This, folks, is what I attempt to do on my P3 display (I do not have 
> the VGA option, it doesn't do much for me). Marker A. Twist the P3 
> knob. Drop Marker A on a pip. Push the knob in. Call the station. 
> Repeat.  But don't do it as much as I want to as it takes my hands off 
> the keyboard.
>
> I have *ALWAYS* wanted to be able to do this right on the N1MMLogger 
> screen, under N1MMLogger *KEYBOARD* control (Shift Up Arrow/Shift Down 
> Arrow. I'm not much of a mouser.).  Tom has implemented the 
> functionality EXACTLY as I envisioned it. But it currently works only 
> on an Icom 7300 and, in the future, other similar Icom transceivers. 
> (Yes, I know Flex rigs can do
> this:
> No I don't think their receivers and Maestro's touch screen workflow 
> are not up to the challenge. yet.)
>
> I am aware that details towards the implementation of this 
> functionality has been made known to Elecraft. Tom basically has 
> developed an "API" that defines how to format serial data to create a 
> similar display from any modern Panadaptor display equipped 
> transceiver with serial or "faux" serial over USB communications 
> capability.
>
> I would recommend that the contest ops among us (and others who like 
> this kind of stuff) investigate this functionality in N1MMLogger + and 
> see how it may improve your Search and Pounce workflow efficiency.
>
> I also *strongly* encourage Wayne and Eric and the Elecraft Product 
> Managers to start down the road of implementing this functionality 
> before Icom/Somebody else comes out with a radio that challenges K3's 
> performance capability.
>
> 73
>
> Lu Romero - W4LT
> Tampa, FL
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated. . .

[George Thornton]

I agree with this assessment.

I like the Elecraft solution.  The K3 screen gives you clearly and simply what 
you need to know at a glance.  No fuss and always there for you.

You want a screen with a lot of other information including a band scope, put 
it in a separate box.  That leaves you free to innovate and add features as you 
want without tampering with the main information screen on the K3.

Most importantly make it reliable and make it work practically without the need 
to add a computer to the mix.





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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:51 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated. . .

With all due respect, I think the K3/P3 is a classic design, including the
man-machine interface. Not a square nanometer of wasted real estate,
everything is where I need it the most and when I need it quickly.
Graphics, interactivity, not too much, not too little, just the right
touch. It is quite clear that a great deal of thought and iteration went
into laying it out. In that sense, it's like my Collins S-Line, another
obviously well thought-out intuitive classic design that is a delight to
operate. So bedecking either of these with a multicolor touch screen is
not something that appeals to me personally. Jim Ewing N4TMM



On May 30, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Thom <k...@ki8w.com><mailto:k...@ki8w.com%3e> 
wrote:
>
> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this
looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D. Come to think of
it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.
>
> 73
>
> Thom KI8W
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Nr4c]

I'm not sure why users get so involved in a discussion on topics like this. The 
amber LCD display is part of the Elecraft image. They use it on the K3, KX2, 
KX3 and K3S. It's not going to change so pick another battle!  One you can win. 

Or, wait for the K4 in a couple years and it will likely have all or most 
features that have been suggested but never added to the K3 line. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 30, 2017, at 9:00 PM, brian  wrote:
> 
> Don,
> 
> Agree.  However, there is a need to update the "displays" for functions that 
> were shoe horned into the K3 well after the display was cast in concrete.
> 
> Things like a flashing decimal point.  What the heck does that mean?
> There are about a dozen such "non-intuitive" displays which could benefit 
> from some more obvious icon.
> 
> It would also be nice if the DATA display would actually tell us which K3 
> data mode is being used.
> 
> The chief beneficiaries would be people who use the K3 stand alone with no 
> computer.  Logging programs generally solve the above problems.
> 
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
> 
> 
> 
>> On 5/31/2017 0:26 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works
>> every time.
>> While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not convey
>> relevant information, or that information is buried in the 'glitz' and
>> not easily recognized at a glance.
>> 
>> The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate
>> display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance.  Other
>> functions are indicated to tell you what is going on.  Everything needed
>> is there.
>> 
>> I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet.  I
>> have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest.
>> 
>> Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus
>> touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example).  That
>> uncertainty is not something I need in a radio.
>> 
>> 73,

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Matthew Cook]

Good to see this functionality being added to N1MM, with luck some of the
SDR developers will pick this up and it can be implemented externally to
the K-line.

To be honest for situational awareness during a contest having a 24"
monitor with 2.5M or more pixels (or larger) above the desk fed with an SDR
that's sitting in the RX Loop of the K3 monitoring the entire HF band
(>300kHz) gives you both the resolution bandwidth AND video bandwidth
necessary to process this information.

I've seen a similar concept in one of the Mac based loggers (MacLoggerDX?)
where spots are placed across a pseudo frequency dial, it doesn't take long
on a low res screen for it to become unreadable and unusable.

The additional info from N1MM on top of a waterfall display will make this
all the better for search and pounce contest operation.  This feature is
one of the situations where size does matter.

73

Matthew
VK5ZM

On 31 May 2017 at 11:28, Luis V. Romero  wrote:

> I completely agree with Ken K6MR!
>
> I rarely, if ever, touch the radio. I sometimes twirl the main VFO knobs,
> but frankly, out of habit.
>
> 90% of my interface is via the computer keyboard (N1MMLogger +. Oh, yes,
> I'm
> one of those "Durn Contesters!").
>
> But there are very interesting things on the horizon.
>
> I had a very long talk with Tom Wagner, N1MM at the Dayton Contest Suite
> Friday night while Spurious Emissions played in the other room.  He showed
> me his new Logger feature: I call it "Active Bandmap".  It's a bandmap
> window that integrates live information from an Icom 7300 spectrum display
> and the spotting network data and displays it, dynamically, right on the
> logger screen.  It integrates spots, signal strength and labels the pips
> with the callsign from spot data.
>
> I have a friend with a 7300 and will start playing with this feature next
> week (I have a repeater to install this week ).
>
> This, folks, is what I attempt to do on my P3 display (I do not have the
> VGA
> option, it doesn't do much for me). Marker A. Twist the P3 knob. Drop
> Marker
> A on a pip. Push the knob in. Call the station. Repeat.  But don't do it as
> much as I want to as it takes my hands off the keyboard.
>
> I have *ALWAYS* wanted to be able to do this right on the N1MMLogger
> screen,
> under N1MMLogger *KEYBOARD* control (Shift Up Arrow/Shift Down Arrow. I'm
> not much of a mouser.).  Tom has implemented the functionality EXACTLY as I
> envisioned it. But it currently works only on an Icom 7300 and, in the
> future, other similar Icom transceivers. (Yes, I know Flex rigs can do
> this:
> No I don't think their receivers and Maestro's touch screen workflow are
> not
> up to the challenge. yet.)
>
> I am aware that details towards the implementation of this functionality
> has
> been made known to Elecraft. Tom basically has developed an "API" that
> defines how to format serial data to create a similar display from any
> modern Panadaptor display equipped transceiver with serial or "faux" serial
> over USB communications capability.
>
> I would recommend that the contest ops among us (and others who like this
> kind of stuff) investigate this functionality in N1MMLogger + and see how
> it
> may improve your Search and Pounce workflow efficiency.
>
> I also *strongly* encourage Wayne and Eric and the Elecraft Product
> Managers
> to start down the road of implementing this functionality before
> Icom/Somebody else comes out with a radio that challenges K3's performance
> capability.
>
> 73
>
> Lu Romero - W4LT
> Tampa, FL
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Luis V. Romero]

I completely agree with Ken K6MR! 

I rarely, if ever, touch the radio. I sometimes twirl the main VFO knobs,
but frankly, out of habit.

90% of my interface is via the computer keyboard (N1MMLogger +. Oh, yes, I'm
one of those "Durn Contesters!").  

But there are very interesting things on the horizon. 

I had a very long talk with Tom Wagner, N1MM at the Dayton Contest Suite
Friday night while Spurious Emissions played in the other room.  He showed
me his new Logger feature: I call it "Active Bandmap".  It's a bandmap
window that integrates live information from an Icom 7300 spectrum display
and the spotting network data and displays it, dynamically, right on the
logger screen.  It integrates spots, signal strength and labels the pips
with the callsign from spot data.  

I have a friend with a 7300 and will start playing with this feature next
week (I have a repeater to install this week ).

This, folks, is what I attempt to do on my P3 display (I do not have the VGA
option, it doesn't do much for me). Marker A. Twist the P3 knob. Drop Marker
A on a pip. Push the knob in. Call the station. Repeat.  But don't do it as
much as I want to as it takes my hands off the keyboard.

I have *ALWAYS* wanted to be able to do this right on the N1MMLogger screen,
under N1MMLogger *KEYBOARD* control (Shift Up Arrow/Shift Down Arrow. I'm
not much of a mouser.).  Tom has implemented the functionality EXACTLY as I
envisioned it. But it currently works only on an Icom 7300 and, in the
future, other similar Icom transceivers. (Yes, I know Flex rigs can do this:
No I don't think their receivers and Maestro's touch screen workflow are not
up to the challenge. yet.) 

I am aware that details towards the implementation of this functionality has
been made known to Elecraft. Tom basically has developed an "API" that
defines how to format serial data to create a similar display from any
modern Panadaptor display equipped transceiver with serial or "faux" serial
over USB communications capability.  

I would recommend that the contest ops among us (and others who like this
kind of stuff) investigate this functionality in N1MMLogger + and see how it
may improve your Search and Pounce workflow efficiency.  

I also *strongly* encourage Wayne and Eric and the Elecraft Product Managers
to start down the road of implementing this functionality before
Icom/Somebody else comes out with a radio that challenges K3's performance
capability.  

73

Lu Romero - W4LT
Tampa, FL
 
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[Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated. . .

[Jim Ewing]

With all due respect, I think the K3/P3 is a classic design, including the
man-machine interface.  Not a square nanometer of wasted real estate,
everything is where I need it the most and when I need it quickly.
Graphics, interactivity, not too much, not too little, just the right
touch.  It is quite clear that a great deal of thought and iteration went
into laying it out.  In that sense, it's like my Collins S-Line, another
obviously well thought-out intuitive classic design that is a delight to
operate.  So bedecking either of these with a multicolor touch screen is
not something that appeals to me personally.  Jim Ewing N4TMM



On May 30, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Thom  wrote:
>
> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this
looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think of
it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.
>
> 73
>
> Thom KI8W
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[Elecraft] K3 display is dated.

[William Levy]

Gents,

I don't care about the display. I care about how the radio works. How it
hears and how it talks.
How it works in contest or expedition environments. If display is that
important you buy a FLEX and it's as big as can be.

Bill N2WL
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[brian]

Don,

Agree.  However, there is a need to update the "displays" for functions 
that were shoe horned into the K3 well after the display was cast in 
concrete.


Things like a flashing decimal point.  What the heck does that mean?
There are about a dozen such "non-intuitive" displays which could 
benefit from some more obvious icon.


It would also be nice if the DATA display would actually tell us which 
K3 data mode is being used.


The chief beneficiaries would be people who use the K3 stand alone with 
no computer.  Logging programs generally solve the above problems.


73 de Brian/K3KO



On 5/31/2017 0:26 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works
every time.
While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not convey
relevant information, or that information is buried in the 'glitz' and
not easily recognized at a glance.

The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate
display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance.  Other
functions are indicated to tell you what is going on.  Everything needed
is there.

I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet.  I
have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest.

Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus
touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example).  That
uncertainty is not something I need in a radio.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/30/2017 8:08 PM, Roger Meadows wrote:

When I worked in industrial automation the graphics on the control
stations displays were getting fancier and fancier. The fancier they
got, the more cluttered than got. Then, the industry as a whole
started noting that more accidents were happening and missed alarms.
They, because the displays were to cutsie.

What then happened over the next few years and is standard now is very
plain graphics and displays so information does not get lost in the
clutter.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Don Wilhelm]

Kent,

While that is a good feature for autos, it does take some time and 
trouble to set up as the user desires.


I did recently purchase an upper-end car and after over a month I have 
not done too much display customization.  The simple things are the most 
important to me.  Other stuff is just a bit of glitz along with 
resulting clutter of the displays.


Sometimes too much information for the task at hand is a distraction.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 5/30/2017 8:24 PM, K9ZTV wrote:

One compromise, undoubtedly costly, would be a customisable display like 
upper-end cars are now wearing.  Users could place whatever indicators they 
wanted, wherever they wanted, in whatever combination they wanted.

But I like the Elecraft displays just as they are, for all the reasons others 
have enumerated, especially the commonality among the various rigs.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Kevin - K4VD]

Keep it simple? Like a crystal radio?

On my KX3 I want a full heads-up display. It should have virtual
reality goggles tied to Google Earth so I can fly to your
neighborhood, check out your antenna farm and make recommendations for
improvements. I want to visualize the path my radio waves take to get
to the DX I want and be able to tweak the ionosphere for maximum S/N
at the distant end. Ideally I should have control of the DX station's
rotator. Every time I make contact with someone I want to see a 3D
starfield fly by to give me the impression of actually going
somewhere. And I want it all done in fluorescent orange and black.

Actually, it's kind of nice to get a refresh every so often. The thing
is, if there were some sort of front panel updates it really wouldn't
affect all those who currently have a radio, right? Not like our radio
is going to morph over night or anything.

73,
Kev K4VD


On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 8:26 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works every
> time.
> While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not convey
> relevant information, or that information is buried in the 'glitz' and not
> easily recognized at a glance.
>
> The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate display
> with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance.  Other functions are
> indicated to tell you what is going on.  Everything needed is there.
>
> I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet.  I have
> to hunt around the display to find the item of interest.
>
> Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus touches
> produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example).  That uncertainty
> is not something I need in a radio.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/30/2017 8:08 PM, Roger Meadows wrote:
>>
>> When I worked in industrial automation the graphics on the control
>> stations displays were getting fancier and fancier. The fancier they got,
>> the more cluttered than got. Then, the industry as a whole started noting
>> that more accidents were happening and missed alarms. They, because the
>> displays were to cutsie.
>>
>> What then happened over the next few years and is standard now is very
>> plain graphics and displays so information does not get lost in the clutter.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Ken K6MR]

Not costly at all. You likely already have it on your desk.  Build whatever 
fancy screen you want and drive the radio through the control port. Make it 
touch screen if you like. Big, small, color, whatever you want. The power of 
software.

I remember one of the first SDR radio boards had an interface that let you move 
the controls around on the screen. Pretty much build any front  panel layout 
you wanted.

Ken K6MR

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

One compromise, undoubtedly costly, would be a customisable display like 
upper-end cars are now wearing.  Users could place whatever indicators they 
wanted, wherever they wanted, in whatever combination they wanted.

But I like the Elecraft displays just as they are, for all the reasons others 
have enumerated, especially the commonality among the various rigs.

Kent  K9ZTV
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Don Wilhelm]

I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works 
every time.
While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not convey 
relevant information, or that information is buried in the 'glitz' and 
not easily recognized at a glance.


The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate 
display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance.  Other 
functions are indicated to tell you what is going on.  Everything needed 
is there.


I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet.  I 
have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest.


Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus 
touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example).  That 
uncertainty is not something I need in a radio.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/30/2017 8:08 PM, Roger Meadows wrote:

When I worked in industrial automation the graphics on the control stations 
displays were getting fancier and fancier. The fancier they got, the more 
cluttered than got. Then, the industry as a whole started noting that more 
accidents were happening and missed alarms. They, because the displays were to 
cutsie.

What then happened over the next few years and is standard now is very plain 
graphics and displays so information does not get lost in the clutter.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[K9ZTV]

One compromise, undoubtedly costly, would be a customisable display like 
upper-end cars are now wearing.  Users could place whatever indicators they 
wanted, wherever they wanted, in whatever combination they wanted. 

But I like the Elecraft displays just as they are, for all the reasons others 
have enumerated, especially the commonality among the various rigs. 

Kent  K9ZTV
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Roger Meadows]

When I worked in industrial automation the graphics on the control stations 
displays were getting fancier and fancier. The fancier they got, the more 
cluttered than got. Then, the industry as a whole started noting that more 
accidents were happening and missed alarms. They, because the displays were to 
cutsie.

What then happened over the next few years and is standard now is very plain 
graphics and displays so information does not get lost in the clutter.

Thats how I see the displays on the new rigs, cluttered. I like the KX3 display 
because it is strait to the point. The other great thing is I can go from a KX3 
to a KX3 to a K3(s) and know exactly where to find what I’m looking for on the 
display.

I’d personally keep it the way it is and use the P3/PX3 for the additional 
information.

Roger
AE4RM

On May 30, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Ken K6MR 
<k...@outlook.com<mailto:k...@outlook.com>> wrote:

And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays):
Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don’t need/want 
fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to read when I 
need it. Same for the P3.  Give me what I need with a minimum of fuss.  Also 
easy to focus on after many hours without sleep.
And please: no touch screens.  The last thing I need is a bunch of greasy 
fingerprints all over the display.  And I need my hands to stay on the 
keyboard(s).  Minimal motion and all that stuff.
And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio, not a 
video game.
And now back to your regular conversation…. ;^)

Ken K6MR

From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phys...@mac.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM
To: Thom<mailto:k...@ki8w.com>
Cc: 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net><mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300.  The touch color display of 
the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a 
little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure.  The 
information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and P3 
although different display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a dubious 
comparison.

But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display 
however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 display 
is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface to handle 
it.

My two-bits on the matter.

73, phil, K7PEH


On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom <k...@ki8w.com<mailto:k...@ki8w.com>> wrote:

I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks 
like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D. Come to think of it maybe 
Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.

73

Thom KI8W



On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Kevin Stover, AC0H]

I have low vision.

The absolute worst thing you could do is to change the K3S display.
I need high contrast either a black background and light text or a light 
background and dark text. The K3S's background is light yellow and it 
has black text.


Color displays sure are pretty but normal size text and characters wash 
out. I have special software on this computer that magnifies the screen 
so I can read it. I also run a high contrast theme.


On 5/30/2017 5:44 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:

Huh. Maybe it isn't a sighted thing that I just wouldn't understand after all. 
Or else Ken is an honorary blind guy. ...

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On May 30, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Ken K6MR <k...@outlook.com> wrote:

And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays):
Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don’t need/want 
fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to read when I 
need it. Same for the P3.  Give me what I need with a minimum of fuss.  Also 
easy to focus on after many hours without sleep.
And please: no touch screens.  The last thing I need is a bunch of greasy 
fingerprints all over the display.  And I need my hands to stay on the 
keyboard(s).  Minimal motion and all that stuff.
And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio, not a 
video game.
And now back to your regular conversation…. ;^)

Ken K6MR

From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phys...@mac.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM
To: Thom<mailto:k...@ki8w.com>
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300.  The touch color display of 
the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a little 
tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure.  The information on 
the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and P3 although different 
display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a dubious comparison.

But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display 
however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 display 
is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface to handle 
it.

My two-bits on the matter.

73, phil, K7PEH



On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom <k...@ki8w.com> wrote:

I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks 
like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think of it maybe 
Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.

73

Thom KI8W



On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:

I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Al Lorona]

Whenever this thread comes up-- and it has several times before-- I usually 
point toward the displays on the most advanced commercial aircraft in the skies 
for comparison. In this context, a pilot needs to know a few (or several) 
critical pieces of information instantly, and easily, and can't be captivated 
by eye candy. If your shiny new Kensucom's display looked like this, you 
probably wouldn't buy it:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737max/news/new-flight-deck-displays.page  
(watch closely at the 0:43 mark)


A serious ham operator in a DXpedition or major contest effort may have more 
than a few things in common with a pilot processing all the inputs coming at 
him from many sources. Perhaps we should be asking, "When will Icom de-clutter 
it's display to be more like the K3's?"

As for touch screens, a few minutes ago my iPhone wouldn't respond to my 
finger, no matter what I did, and I was locked out. No thanks... I don't want 
my pilot (or my 160 meter contest) defeated by a little bit of perspiration or 
dryness at a crucial moment.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Dave Cole]

My K3 has a new fresh color display...  I use a computer and a 
Genovation pad to control it...  :)


73s and thanks,
Dave
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On 05/30/2017 02:36 PM, ke9uw wrote:

I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Bob]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course, and personally I like the
existing K3/K3s display and its reduced power consumption, and fewer
worries about RFI. The K3 is very power efficient, and that would be lost
with a larger color display.

The K3 is MUCH smaller/lighter than other big desk radios, something else I
like very much, which is part of its appeal for so many DXpeditions.
Those big screen color radios simply don't show up in those environments.

It isn't my company, but I hope Elecraft keeps spending their engineering
resources on functionality rather than bling.

73, Bob, WB4SON








On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Buddy Brannan <bu...@brannan.name> wrote:

> Huh. Maybe it isn't a sighted thing that I just wouldn't understand after
> all. Or else Ken is an honorary blind guy. ...
>
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>
> > On May 30, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Ken K6MR <k...@outlook.com> wrote:
> >
> > And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays):
> > Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don’t
> need/want fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to
> read when I need it. Same for the P3.  Give me what I need with a minimum
> of fuss.  Also easy to focus on after many hours without sleep.
> > And please: no touch screens.  The last thing I need is a bunch of
> greasy fingerprints all over the display.  And I need my hands to stay on
> the keyboard(s).  Minimal motion and all that stuff.
> > And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio,
> not a video game.
> > And now back to your regular conversation…. ;^)
> >
> > Ken K6MR
> >
> > From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phys...@mac.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM
> > To: Thom<mailto:k...@ki8w.com>
> > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
> >
> > Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300.  The touch color
> display of the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think
> the P3 is a little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal
> measure.  The information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo
> of the K3 and P3 although different display options (mostly on the 7300)
> makes this a dubious comparison.
> >
> > But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3
> display however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive
> the K3 display is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an
> interface to handle it.
> >
> > My two-bits on the matter.
> >
> > 73, phil, K7PEH
> >
> >
> >> On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom <k...@ki8w.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this
> looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think of
> it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.
> >>
> >> 73
> >>
> >> Thom KI8W
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
> >>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated
> display,
> >>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
> >>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Ken K6MR]

Buddy:

Interesting thought.  Could I operate without sight?  Not likely. Especially 
considering my extremely lousy typing skills. But except for double checking 
what I typed, 90% of operating is hearing (RTTY excepted, of course). I find 
the less I share my brain power between visual/audio info the better. I don’t 
do assisted (no distracting band map) and my favorite contests are Sprints.  
Just pure radio with a little technology to record the results.

Getting a bit OT here so I better quit before Eric finds out….

Ken K6MR

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To: Ken K6MR<mailto:k...@outlook.com>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

Huh. Maybe it isn't a sighted thing that I just wouldn't understand after all. 
Or else Ken is an honorary blind guy. ...

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> On May 30, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Ken K6MR <k...@outlook.com> wrote:
>
> And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays):
> Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don’t need/want 
> fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to read when I 
> need it. Same for the P3.  Give me what I need with a minimum of fuss.  Also 
> easy to focus on after many hours without sleep.
> And please: no touch screens.  The last thing I need is a bunch of greasy 
> fingerprints all over the display.  And I need my hands to stay on the 
> keyboard(s).  Minimal motion and all that stuff.
> And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio, not a 
> video game.
> And now back to your regular conversation…. ;^)
>
> Ken K6MR
>
> From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phys...@mac.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM
> To: Thom<mailto:k...@ki8w.com>
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
>
> Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300.  The touch color display of 
> the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a 
> little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure.  The 
> information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and 
> P3 although different display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a 
> dubious comparison.
>
> But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display 
> however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 
> display is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface 
> to handle it.
>
> My two-bits on the matter.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
>> On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom <k...@ki8w.com> wrote:
>>
>> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks 
>> like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think of it 
>> maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Thom KI8W
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Scott Manthe]

Remember that the K3 was designed almost 10 years ago to include being a 
nifty QRP/DXpedition rig. I'm guessing the monochrome display saves some 
current over a full-color display.


73,
Scott N9AA


On 5/30/17 5:36 PM, ke9uw wrote:

I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Buddy Brannan]

Huh. Maybe it isn't a sighted thing that I just wouldn't understand after all. 
Or else Ken is an honorary blind guy. ... 

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> On May 30, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Ken K6MR <k...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays):
> Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don’t need/want 
> fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to read when I 
> need it. Same for the P3.  Give me what I need with a minimum of fuss.  Also 
> easy to focus on after many hours without sleep.
> And please: no touch screens.  The last thing I need is a bunch of greasy 
> fingerprints all over the display.  And I need my hands to stay on the 
> keyboard(s).  Minimal motion and all that stuff.
> And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio, not a 
> video game.
> And now back to your regular conversation…. ;^)
> 
> Ken K6MR
> 
> From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phys...@mac.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM
> To: Thom<mailto:k...@ki8w.com>
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
> 
> Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300.  The touch color display of 
> the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a 
> little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure.  The 
> information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and 
> P3 although different display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a 
> dubious comparison.
> 
> But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display 
> however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 
> display is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface 
> to handle it.
> 
> My two-bits on the matter.
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> 
> 
>> On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom <k...@ki8w.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks 
>> like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think of it 
>> maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Thom KI8W
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Buddy Brannan]

I was turning the knob on a K3 once a couple years ago and thought, hey, what a 
smooth turning knob. What a nifty radio. I want one. Not in this lifetime, 
however, though I'm really enjoying my KX3 and K2. Well...OK...enjoying is 
probably a stretch, since I need to put up an hf antenna again. 

But, OK, maybe this is just one of those things that I'll just never understand 
(there are lots), but if the display gives you the information you need, in 
some legible manner, why does it need changed? Is there something your TS-570 
isn't telling you that you just aren't getting by without knowing? Is change 
for change's sake what we're asking for, or is there something I'm missing (not 
at all unlikely)? 

"It's a sighted thing, you'd never understand" is a perfectly valid answer 
here. Probably. 

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> On May 30, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Thom  wrote:
> 
> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks 
> like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think of it 
> maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.
> 
> 73
> 
> Thom KI8W
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Ken K6MR]

And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays):
Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don’t need/want 
fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to read when I 
need it. Same for the P3.  Give me what I need with a minimum of fuss.  Also 
easy to focus on after many hours without sleep.
And please: no touch screens.  The last thing I need is a bunch of greasy 
fingerprints all over the display.  And I need my hands to stay on the 
keyboard(s).  Minimal motion and all that stuff.
And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio, not a 
video game.
And now back to your regular conversation…. ;^)

Ken K6MR

From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phys...@mac.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM
To: Thom<mailto:k...@ki8w.com>
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300.  The touch color display of 
the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a 
little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure.  The 
information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and P3 
although different display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a dubious 
comparison.

But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display 
however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 display 
is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface to handle 
it.

My two-bits on the matter.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom <k...@ki8w.com> wrote:
>
> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks 
> like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think of it 
> maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.
>
> 73
>
> Thom KI8W
>
>
>
> On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Phil Hystad]

Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300.  The touch color display of 
the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a 
little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure.  The 
information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and P3 
although different display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a dubious 
comparison.

But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display 
however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 display 
is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface to handle 
it.

My two-bits on the matter.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom  wrote:
> 
> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks 
> like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think of it 
> maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.
> 
> 73
> 
> Thom KI8W
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[Thom]

I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this 
looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think 
of it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios 
too.


73

Thom KI8W



On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:

I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)



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[Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

[ke9uw]

I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)



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[Elecraft] K3 Display TX flashing

[Harlan]

OK gang I'm sure it's something very simple I am overlooking BUT.
I understand the TX indicator on the display (not the TX led) flashes 
when in TEST mode, or if transmit is inhibited externally. But, mine 
started flashing all the time.
I have disconnected everything except mic, external speaker, power, and 
antenna.

I have reloaded firmware.
I have reloaded to an earlier configuration file.
Nothing changes.

 ALSO, don't know if this is associated or just a fluke, BUT my 
monitor function doesn't work anymore either.


What the

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display TX flashing

[Vic K2VCO]

Make sure TX INH is set to OFF.

On 6/11/2013 4:36 PM, Harlan wrote:

OK gang I'm sure it's something very simple I am overlooking BUT.
I understand the TX indicator on the display (not the TX led) flashes when in TEST mode, 
or if transmit is inhibited externally. But, mine started flashing all the time.

I have disconnected everything except mic, external speaker, power, and antenna.
I have reloaded firmware.
I have reloaded to an earlier configuration file.
Nothing changes.

 ALSO, don't know if this is associated or just a fluke, BUT my monitor function 
doesn't work anymore either.


What the

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display TX flashing

[Harlan]

Vic...you are a genius all works fb now.

Everything Elecraft is fantastic. From the products to the staff to the users 
on the reflector..

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Vic K2VCO k2vco@gmail.com wrote:

Make sure TX INH is set to OFF.

On 6/11/2013 4:36 PM, Harlan wrote:
 OK gang I'm sure it's something very simple I am overlooking BUT.
 I understand the TX indicator on the display (not the TX led) flashes when 
 in TEST mode, 
 or if transmit is inhibited externally. But, mine started flashing all the 
 time.
 I have disconnected everything except mic, external speaker, power, and 
 antenna.
 I have reloaded firmware.
 I have reloaded to an earlier configuration file.
 Nothing changes.

  ALSO, don't know if this is associated or just a fluke, BUT my monitor 
 function 
 doesn't work anymore either.

 What the

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display TX flashing

[Vic K2VCO]

Not a genius, but shall we say I have been where you were!

On 6/11/2013 6:24 PM, Harlan wrote:

Vic...you are a genius all works fb now.

Everything Elecraft is fantastic. From the products to the staff to the users on the 
reflector..


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Vic K2VCO k2vco@gmail.com wrote:

Make sure TX INH is set to OFF.

On 6/11/2013 4:36 PM, Harlan wrote:
 OK gang I'm sure it's something very simple I am overlooking BUT.
 I understand the TX indicator on the display (not the TX led) flashes when in 
TEST mode,
 or if transmit is inhibited externally. But, mine started flashing all the 
time.
 I have disconnected everything except mic, external speaker, power, and 
antenna.
 I have reloaded firmware.
 I have reloaded to an earlier configuration file.
 Nothing changes.

  ALSO, don't know if this is associated or just a fluke, BUT my monitor 
function
 doesn't work anymore either.

 What the

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display TX flashing

[Gary Gregory]

In my case, add a red face...:-)

On 12 June 2013 12:55, Vic K2VCO k2vco@gmail.com wrote:

 Not a genius, but shall we say I have been where you were!

 On 6/11/2013 6:24 PM, Harlan wrote:

 Vic...you are a genius all works fb now.

 Everything Elecraft is fantastic. From the products to the staff to the
 users on the reflector..

 Harlan
 NC3C
 /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/


 Vic K2VCO k2vco@gmail.com wrote:

 Make sure TX INH is set to OFF.

 On 6/11/2013 4:36 PM, Harlan wrote:
  OK gang I'm sure it's something very simple I am overlooking BUT.
  I understand the TX indicator on the display (not the TX led) flashes
 when in TEST mode,
  or if transmit is inhibited externally. But, mine started flashing all
 the time.
  I have disconnected everything except mic, external speaker, power, and
 antenna.
  I have reloaded firmware.
  I have reloaded to an earlier configuration file.
  Nothing changes.
 
   ALSO, don't know if this is associated or just a fluke, BUT my
 monitor function
  doesn't work anymore either.
 
  What the
 
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[Elecraft] K3 Display Frequency Calibration

[Paul Kirley]

It appears that the folks who can't hear the wow-wow zero beat note are

failing to turn on SPOT as specified in the K3 Owner's Manual for
Method 2.

Zero-beating the SPOT sidetone against the signal doesn't require
hearing
low tones, only hearing the amplitude modulation (wow-wow) of the
sidetone
as zero beat is approached.  The variation in amplitude is easily
heard; 
it sounds just like severe QSB or picket fencing.

The procedure works best if the monitor sidetone (SPOT) level is set
about
as loud as the comparison WWV signal, using the front-panel MON
control.

I frequently find it necessary to turn SPOT back on as I tweak my Ref
Osc.
For whatever reason, SPOT often turns itself off, at least for me.

73, Paul W8TM


Eric WA6HHQ  sed:
  Is your RX EQ set to roll off lower freqs? The 1-5 Hz zero beat note
is
  easily heard when listening to the WWV carrier beating against the
CW 
  spot tone on the K3.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display frequency calibration

[Don Wilhelm]

Jack,

Check page 50 of the manual.  I suggest using Method 2.  Use the highest 
frequency WWV that you can reliably receive, and make certain you are 
zero beating with the carrier instead of one of the transmitted tones.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/4/2012 10:22 PM, Jack Berry wrote:
 I have s/n 3012, factory built. On a few occassions I have been told by a QSO 
 partner that I am tuned a bit high. It has happened infrequently but I 
 decided to check against WWV.
   
 Three questions:
 1) is comparing to WWV a good method to confirm display accuracy? I used my 
 P3 display to center the carrier at 2.5, 5.0, 10.0, 15.0 mHz. The centered 
 carrier spike showed these offsets per WWV transmission;
 2.500mHz centered at   2.499.962
 5.000mHz centered at   4.999.972
 10.000mHz centered at 9.999.984
 15.000mHz centered at   14.999.995
   
 2) If there is a better reference outside a lab, what is it?
   
 3) And what is the procedure for correcting a frequency display error? I 
 can't seem to find it in any of the manuals I have.
   
 Thanks!Jack - WE5ST
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display frequency calibration

[Jack Berry]

Thanks Don! Don't know how I missed that but I did.


God Bless  Best 73!
Jack - WE5ST
 


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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display frequency calibration
  
Jack,

Check page 50 of the manual.  I suggest using Method 2.  Use the highest 
frequency WWV that you can reliably receive, and make certain you are zero 
beating with the carrier instead of one of the transmitted tones.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/4/2012 10:22 PM, Jack Berry wrote:
 I have s/n 3012, factory built. On a few occassions I have been told by a QSO 
 partner that I am tuned a bit high. It has happened infrequently but I 
 decided to check against WWV.
   Three questions:
 1) is comparing to WWV a good method to confirm display accuracy? I used my 
 P3 display to center the carrier at 2.5, 5.0, 10.0, 15.0 mHz. The centered 
 carrier spike showed these offsets per WWV transmission;
 2.500mHz centered at       2.499.962
 5.000mHz centered at       4.999.972
 10.000mHz centered at     9.999.984
 15.000mHz centered at   14.999.995
   2) If there is a better reference outside a lab, what is it?
   3) And what is the procedure for correcting a frequency display error? I 
can't seem to find it in any of the manuals I have.
   Thanks!Jack - WE5ST
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[Elecraft] K3 Display

[Chris Hembree]

I am building my K3. I am at the part were I am  testing the fans. in CONFIG, 
PAIO ON, PAIO TST  The (TST ) the T's look like  upside down F's.The S looks 
okay.
Anyone see this before?

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display

[Iain MacDonnell - N6ML]

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Chris Hembree w7...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I am building my K3. I am at the part were I am  testing the fans. in CONFIG,
 PAIO ON, PAIO TST  The (TST ) the T's look like  upside down F's.The S looks
 okay.

They're (supposed to look like) lower-case 't's

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display

[Chris Hembree]

Looks like upside down F's not lower case t's
Chris






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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Chris Hembree w7...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I am building my K3. I am at the part were I am  testing the fans. in CONFIG,
 PAIO ON, PAIO TST  The (TST ) the T's look like  upside down F's.The S looks
 okay.

They're (supposed to look like) lower-case 't's

~Iain / N6ML



  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display

[Iain MacDonnell - N6ML]

It's as close as you can get to a 't' on a seven-segment display. Just
accept it and move on ;)

~Iain / N6ML



On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Chris Hembree w7...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Looks like upside down F's not lower case t's
 Chris


 
 From: Iain MacDonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org
 To: Chris Hembree w7...@yahoo.com
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 9:13:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display

 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Chris Hembree w7...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I am building my K3. I am at the part were I am  testing the fans. in
 CONFIG,
 PAIO ON, PAIO TST  The (TST ) the T's look like  upside down F's.The S
 looks
 okay.

 They're (supposed to look like) lower-case 't's

     ~Iain / N6ML


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display

[Iain MacDonnell - N6ML]

See also 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven-segment_display_character_representations

~Iain / N6ML


On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Iain MacDonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org wrote:
 It's as close as you can get to a 't' on a seven-segment display. Just
 accept it and move on ;)

    ~Iain / N6ML



 On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Chris Hembree w7...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Looks like upside down F's not lower case t's
 Chris


 
 From: Iain MacDonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org
 To: Chris Hembree w7...@yahoo.com
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 9:13:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display

 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Chris Hembree w7...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I am building my K3. I am at the part were I am  testing the fans. in
 CONFIG,
 PAIO ON, PAIO TST  The (TST ) the T's look like  upside down F's.The S
 looks
 okay.

 They're (supposed to look like) lower-case 't's

     ~Iain / N6ML



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display

[Chris Hembree]

Thanks  Hi! Hi!

Chris







From: Iain MacDonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org
To: Chris Hembree w7...@yahoo.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 9:19:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display

It's as close as you can get to a 't' on a seven-segment display. Just
accept it and move on ;)

~Iain / N6ML



On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Chris Hembree w7...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Looks like upside down F's not lower case t's
 Chris


 
 From: Iain MacDonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org
 To: Chris Hembree w7...@yahoo.com
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 9:13:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display

 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Chris Hembree w7...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I am building my K3. I am at the part were I am  testing the fans. in
 CONFIG,
 PAIO ON, PAIO TST  The (TST ) the T's look like  upside down F's.The S
 looks
 okay.

 They're (supposed to look like) lower-case 't's

 ~Iain / N6ML





  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

That's a limitation of the elements available on the display.

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
I am building my K3. I am at the part were I am  testing the fans. in
CONFIG, 
PAIO ON, PAIO TST  The (TST ) the T's look like  upside down F's.The S looks

okay.
Anyone see this before?

Chris W7CTH

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display

[Chris Hembree]

That's Funny !
USA Radio with the Latin Alphabet.
Had fun building this, should have it on the air soon.

Thanks for the Link.
Chris W7CTH






From: Iain MacDonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org
To: Chris Hembree w7...@yahoo.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 9:25:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display

See also 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven-segment_display_character_representations

~Iain / N6ML


On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Iain MacDonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org wrote:
 It's as close as you can get to a 't' on a seven-segment display. Just
 accept it and move on ;)

~Iain / N6ML



 On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Chris Hembree w7...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Looks like upside down F's not lower case t's
 Chris


 
 From: Iain MacDonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org
 To: Chris Hembree w7...@yahoo.com
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 9:13:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display

 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Chris Hembree w7...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I am building my K3. I am at the part were I am  testing the fans. in
 CONFIG,
 PAIO ON, PAIO TST  The (TST ) the T's look like  upside down F's.The S
 looks
 okay.

 They're (supposed to look like) lower-case 't's

 ~Iain / N6ML






  
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[Elecraft] K3 Display and Eye Glasses for OTs only

[Doug Turnbull]

Mike,
Another solution is to have a pair of glasses for radio use.   I have
set of bifocals which are used for computer and radio with roughly a thirty
inch focal length and reading at roughly fourteen inches.   I find them very
convenient in the radio shack.
 73 Doug EI2CN
PS What have we come to talking this way.

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike K2MK
Sent: 04 June 2010 19:50
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter display size


Hi Joe:

Here's a low tech solution: trifocals. I sit about 28 from my computer
screen and about the same from the K3. The middle range of my trifocals is
perfect. Same problem and solution for the speedometer on the car's
dashboard.

73,
Mike K2MK





Don,

  Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still
  give a good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

The problem is that there is no change between 500/400 Hz or between
250/200 Hz.  That means it is not possible to determine if a 400 Hz
or 200 Hz filter are selected only from the filter width display.
In the case where the FLn icons are too small to be read with one's
distance lenses and the radio is too far away for the reading lenses
the filter width display should be an important clue to the selected
filter.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 6/4/2010 10:00 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Mike,

 That truncated pyramid should change as you move the HI/LO CUT or
 SHIFT/WIDTH knobs.  In other words, it should respond to changes in the
 DSP filter controls.  Set the K3 to SSB and if the HI/LO indicators are
 not illuminated, push one of the two buttons in - then turn the HI CUT
 knob counterclockwise.  The segments to the right should drop off as you
 rotate the knob.

 Then switch to the SHIFT/WIDTH display - rotate the shift knob and the
 display should move left to right (no change in width), and rotate the
 WIDTH knob to change the width - when you go counterclockwise, it should
 go down to 50 Hz and the number of bars will be only two.

 Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still give a
 good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 Mike wrote:
 The truncated pyramid icon that displays a filter's width only has 2
 sizes, a wide one (11 'segments') for my 2.8 and a narrower (7
 'segments') for both the 400 and 250 filters. Is that the way it's
 supposed to be? The wording on the xfil display is getting too small for
 these eyes.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display and Eye Glasses for OTs only

[Brendan Minish]

I am short sighted and my near vision is still quite good however I use
a set of thin 'dollar store' +2 reading glasses when I do SMT work on my
bench, these go over my normal glasses and give me some binocular
magnification for doing fine (re)work. Choose the magnification factor
in the shop such that you can still focus at your normal working
distance and get thin ones so that you can look over the top of them for
looking at stuff further away (like the scope, PC etc) 

Much cheaper than an optivisor and a big help at the bench 

73
Brendan EI6IZ 


On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 20:11 +0100, Doug Turnbull wrote:
 Mike,
 Another solution is to have a pair of glasses for radio use.   I have
 set of bifocals which are used for computer and radio with roughly a thirty
 inch focal length and reading at roughly fourteen inches.   I find them very
 convenient in the radio shack.
  73 Doug EI2CN
 PS What have we come to talking this way.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike K2MK
 Sent: 04 June 2010 19:50
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter display size
 
 
 Hi Joe:
 
 Here's a low tech solution: trifocals. I sit about 28 from my computer
 screen and about the same from the K3. The middle range of my trifocals is
 perfect. Same problem and solution for the speedometer on the car's
 dashboard.
 
 73,
 Mike K2MK
 
 
 
 
 
 Don,
 
   Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still
   give a good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum
 
 The problem is that there is no change between 500/400 Hz or between
 250/200 Hz.  That means it is not possible to determine if a 400 Hz
 or 200 Hz filter are selected only from the filter width display.
 In the case where the FLn icons are too small to be read with one's
 distance lenses and the radio is too far away for the reading lenses
 the filter width display should be an important clue to the selected
 filter.
 
 73,
 
 ... Joe, W4TV
 
 On 6/4/2010 10:00 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
  Mike,
 
  That truncated pyramid should change as you move the HI/LO CUT or
  SHIFT/WIDTH knobs.  In other words, it should respond to changes in the
  DSP filter controls.  Set the K3 to SSB and if the HI/LO indicators are
  not illuminated, push one of the two buttons in - then turn the HI CUT
  knob counterclockwise.  The segments to the right should drop off as you
  rotate the knob.
 
  Then switch to the SHIFT/WIDTH display - rotate the shift knob and the
  display should move left to right (no change in width), and rotate the
  WIDTH knob to change the width - when you go counterclockwise, it should
  go down to 50 Hz and the number of bars will be only two.
 
  Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still give a
  good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum
 
  73,
  Don W3FPR
 
  Mike wrote:
  The truncated pyramid icon that displays a filter's width only has 2
  sizes, a wide one (11 'segments') for my 2.8 and a narrower (7
  'segments') for both the 400 and 250 filters. Is that the way it's
  supposed to be? The wording on the xfil display is getting too small for
  these eyes.
 

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Brendan EI6IZ 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display and Eye Glasses for OTs only

[Mike]

Thanks, Doug.

You missed the post where I said I have the extra glasses. Without them, 
I probably would have to put one of those 'page magnifiers' on the front 
panel. :-)

73, Mike NF4L

Doug Turnbull wrote:
 Mike,
 Another solution is to have a pair of glasses for radio use.   I have
 set of bifocals which are used for computer and radio with roughly a thirty
 inch focal length and reading at roughly fourteen inches.   I find them very
 convenient in the radio shack.
  73 Doug EI2CN
 PS What have we come to talking this way.

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike K2MK
 Sent: 04 June 2010 19:50
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter display size


 Hi Joe:

 Here's a low tech solution: trifocals. I sit about 28 from my computer
 screen and about the same from the K3. The middle range of my trifocals is
 perfect. Same problem and solution for the speedometer on the car's
 dashboard.

 73,
 Mike K2MK





 Don,

   Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still
   give a good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

 The problem is that there is no change between 500/400 Hz or between
 250/200 Hz.  That means it is not possible to determine if a 400 Hz
 or 200 Hz filter are selected only from the filter width display.
 In the case where the FLn icons are too small to be read with one's
 distance lenses and the radio is too far away for the reading lenses
 the filter width display should be an important clue to the selected
 filter.

 73,

 ... Joe, W4TV

 On 6/4/2010 10:00 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
   
 Mike,

 That truncated pyramid should change as you move the HI/LO CUT or
 SHIFT/WIDTH knobs.  In other words, it should respond to changes in the
 DSP filter controls.  Set the K3 to SSB and if the HI/LO indicators are
 not illuminated, push one of the two buttons in - then turn the HI CUT
 knob counterclockwise.  The segments to the right should drop off as you
 rotate the knob.

 Then switch to the SHIFT/WIDTH display - rotate the shift knob and the
 display should move left to right (no change in width), and rotate the
 WIDTH knob to change the width - when you go counterclockwise, it should
 go down to 50 Hz and the number of bars will be only two.

 Yes, there is a lot of granularity to that display, but it still give a
 good idea of the filter placement within the audio spectrum

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 Mike wrote:
 
 The truncated pyramid icon that displays a filter's width only has 2
 sizes, a wide one (11 'segments') for my 2.8 and a narrower (7
 'segments') for both the 400 and 250 filters. Is that the way it's
 supposed to be? The wording on the xfil display is getting too small for
 these eyes.

   


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display and Eye Glasses for OTs only

[Jim McDonald]

I have a shelf so I can have my two 19 monitors above the K3, rotor
control, SteppIR box, and paddle.  The monitors are too high for my
progressive lenses, which are continuously variable from reading to
distance with no line (think analog instead of digital!).  The shelf is 8
(20 cm) above the desk top.

I have a set of what the optician called office glasses.  They are also
progressives, but the top part is for 2-3' (60-90 cm) or so.  Actually the
top 2 mm is the real distance prescription, but it isn't very useful.

It's a nuisance to use two pairs of glasses but it works well for me.  I
really like progressive lenses for the same reason I like a speed knob on a
keyer.

Jim N7US

PS: It beats the other subject old guys talk about!


-Original Message-

Mike,
Another solution is to have a pair of glasses for radio use.   I have
set of bifocals which are used for computer and radio with roughly a thirty
inch focal length and reading at roughly fourteen inches.   I find them very
convenient in the radio shack.
 73 Doug EI2CN
PS What have we come to talking this way.

-Original Message-


Hi Joe:

Here's a low tech solution: trifocals. I sit about 28 from my computer
screen and about the same from the K3. The middle range of my trifocals is
perfect. Same problem and solution for the speedometer on the car's
dashboard.

73,
Mike K2MK



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[Elecraft] K3 DISPLAY

[n8ws]

My display is blank, it is on but has no information showing. Is there a
reset I can try to bring it back?
Bill N8WS
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[Elecraft] [K3] Display frequency accuracy on 6 meters

[Bill W5WVO]

I work 6-meter WSJT digital modes, where frequency differences measured in Hz 
are significant. Working with various other stations whose technical 
capabilities I trust more then my own, I've concluded that my K3 is about 96 
Hz, plus or minus, on the low side of actual when the VFO is set to a kHz 
integer frequency on 6 meters. (E.g: display frequency 50260.000, actual 
frequency 50259.904.) I would like to tweak this in to a higher degree of 
accuracy. Since I didn't put together my own K3, I'm not at all sure how to do 
this. Can someone knowledgeable point me in the right direction? If test 
equipment is needed, let me know what it is.

Bill W5WVO
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Display frequency accuracy on 6 meters

[Julian, G4ILO]

Bill W5WVO wrote:
 
 I work 6-meter WSJT digital modes, where frequency differences measured in
 Hz are significant. Working with various other stations whose technical
 capabilities I trust more then my own, I've concluded that my K3 is about
 96 Hz, plus or minus, on the low side of actual when the VFO is set to a
 kHz integer frequency on 6 meters. (E.g: display frequency 50260.000,
 actual frequency 50259.904.) I would like to tweak this in to a higher
 degree of accuracy. Since I didn't put together my own K3, I'm not at all
 sure how to do this. Can someone knowledgeable point me in the right
 direction? If test equipment is needed, let me know what it is.
 

The reference oscillator calibration procedure is described on page 49 of
the manual. You don't need any special test equipment. You just need to be
able to receive a signal of known accuracy.

There are various ways to do this, and if you can receive WWV then you can
probably use that. What I did is tune a short wave broadcast station 1KHz
high or low in SSB mode and then adjust the reference oscillator so the
heterodyne was precisely 1KHz, using the sound card software Fldigi to
measure it. If you have a frequecy counter that measures audio frequencies
you could feed the audio from the K3 into that, I suppose.

Most short wave broadcasters are accurate enough on frequency for our
purposes, but it makes sense to tune in several and check the heterodyne is
the same pitch, to avoid picking one that is off-frequency.

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[Elecraft] K3 Display voltage?

[TMorton]

All this talk about TX IMD and monitoring voltage, etc got me to check 
out my K3. I usually run @ 50w into small amp and I see 13.7V on rcv and 
11.5 while xmit. If I run the power up to 100w, I see 13.7 and 10.8; do 
I have a problem? I am using an unmetered Astron RS-35 into our standard 
220v house supply.
73
Tom
CX7TT
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display voltage?

[Julian, G4ILO]

Tom CX7TT wrote:
 
 All this talk about TX IMD and monitoring voltage, etc got me to check 
 out my K3. I usually run @ 50w into small amp and I see 13.7V on rcv and 
 11.5 while xmit. If I run the power up to 100w, I see 13.7 and 10.8; do 
 I have a problem? I am using an unmetered Astron RS-35 into our standard 
 220v house supply.
 

I should say so!

I suppose you are using the internal voltmeter in the VFO B position? For me
it reads 13.9V off-load (DMM reads 13.94V at the PSU output terminals). At
100W key down on 20m, rig draws about 18.5A, voltage drops to 13.5V. This is
using a Diamond GSV3000 PSU and the standard weedy K3 power cable, cropped
down to the shortest length possible to get from A to B, no more than a
couple of feet.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display voltage?

[Craig D. Smith]

  I usually run @ 50w into small amp and I see 13.7V on rcv and
 11.5 while xmit. If I run the power up to 100w, I see 13.7 and 10.8; do
 I have a problem? I am using an unmetered Astron RS-35 into our standard
 220v house supply.

You definitely have a problem, Tom, but it has nothing to do with the power
supply you are using.  You have excessive resistance somewhere in the DC
distribution between the power supply and the K3.  Either your cable is
using conductors that are too small in diameter, the cable is too long, or
you have a loose connection somewhere.  First of all, if you have any
connections such as a terminal strip or binding post, make sure that they
are screwed down tightly.  Also check your solder or crimp connections.

The K3, like all 100W class rigs, will demand peak currents in the range of
20 amps.  Distributing this amount of current without excessive voltage drop
takes care.  I use an Astron 30A switcher here and have the nice and
convenient RigRunner type PowerPole distribution/fusing panels for most of
the equipment in the shack.  But for the K3 power feed I go directly from
the power supply to the K3 with only 3 ft of AWG 10 cable, and only see a
couple tenths of a volt change from zero load to 100W CW key down.  This is
what you should be aiming for if you want maximum performance from the rig.

I will take this opportunity to opine further, since this is an important
issue for me.  Remote sensing is almost always used in industry when
delivering this amount of current over distances of two feet or more.  It is
amazing that the amateur market has not used this simple and effective
solution.  All it requires is a small twisted pair cable along side the DC
cable.  I don't even think there are ANY power supplies marketed for amateur
use that include remote sensing capability!  It would only add a couple
dollars to the cost.

Thinking in broader terms for the future, we are at or have exceeded the
technical capability of a nominal 12V input power system.  It is time to
think about higher voltages for rigs used in the home environment, perhaps
48V.  If there ever is a K4 (never say never, Wayne and Eric ;), please
design for 200W with an internal or dedicated eternal Elecraft  higher
voltage power supply!!!

73
... Craig  AC0DS


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display voltage?

[Don Wilhelm]

Tom,

You do have a problem.  I recommend that you first check the voltage 
during transmit at 100 watts at the power supply terminals.  If there is 
more than a few tenths of a volt drop there, you will have a power 
supply problem - the power supply terminals have connections on the 
inside as well as the outside and they must be tight and free of 
corrosion.  A few milliohms of resistance at 18 amps will create a 
significant voltage drop.

Next thing to investigate is the power cord and its terminating 
connections.  The APP connectors are quite good as long as the crimp to 
the wire is tight enough to be what is considered 'gas-tight'  If there 
are any doubts about the quality of the crimp, solder the connectors.  
Whatever termination you use on the power supply end is suspect too, the 
same criteria should be applied as for the APP connectors - good crimps 
or solder if there is any doubt.  Be certain the power cord is tight on 
the power supply output terminal bolts.

Lastly, if the power cord is much longer than it has to be, shorten it, 
every inch of wire has some resistance.  If you need to use a long 
length, consider using #10 wire instead of the #12 supplied by 
Elecraft.  Don;t get me wrong, #12 is entirely adequate if all other 
conditions are good, but 5 feet of #12 does have  8.1 milliohms 
resistance, but the return path also adds to the voltage drop, so the 
entire resistance is 16.2 milliohms which translates to 0.3 volts drop 
at 18 amps due to the copper.  The drop using  #10 wire will be about 
2/3 of that seen with #12.

 From all that, you should conclude that the most significant voltage 
drop from light load to 18 amps load will be in the connections, but 
about 0.3 volts will be contributed by the wire.

73,
Don W3FPR

TMorton wrote:
 All this talk about TX IMD and monitoring voltage, etc got me to check 
 out my K3. I usually run @ 50w into small amp and I see 13.7V on rcv and 
 11.5 while xmit. If I run the power up to 100w, I see 13.7 and 10.8; do 
 I have a problem? I am using an unmetered Astron RS-35 into our standard 
 220v house supply.
 73
 Tom
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display voltage?

[Julian, G4ILO]

Craig D. Smith wrote:
 
 Thinking in broader terms for the future, we are at or have exceeded the
 technical capability of a nominal 12V input power system.  It is time to
 think about higher voltages for rigs used in the home environment, perhaps
 48V.  If there ever is a K4 (never say never, Wayne and Eric ;), please
 design for 200W with an internal or dedicated eternal Elecraft  higher
 voltage power supply!!!
 

The K3 was designed with portability in mind, hence the decision to make it
a 12V radio. However I guess that many (if not most) of them have never
moved from the owner's shack.

Since the K3 PA is a separate module that could have separate power
connectors on the rear panel, couldn't someone make a higher voltage version
as a drop-in replacement? I guess the lack of a commercially available power
supply would deter many potential buyers, but I'm sure I recall mention of a
matching K3 power supply being offered some time back, so perhaps this could
be one of its options.

It's be quicker than waiting for a K4.

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[Elecraft] K3 Display voltage

[TMorton]

Thanks for the many responses, both private and via the forum. I 
substituted a metered Astron PS and went directly from the PS to the K3 
with Elecraft supplied power cord.. Now the measurements are:
100w 13.9v to 12.9v; 50w 13.9v to 13.3v. this I can live with...

My previous setup was the Astron to Rigrunner to K3...approx cable was 
4ft from PS to Rigrunner and 4 to 5 ft to K3; PLUS, Rigrunner had 
LP-100, SixPak and Steppir tuning relay...K3 is supplying power to 
microKeyer II via 13.6v back panel accessory.

Pardon the pun but, voltage drops, it all adds up

Que intersante! I learn so much from the erudite members of this 
reflector (look that up in your Funk n' Wagnalls!) Just another reason 
why Elecraft is simply the best...
73
Tom
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[Elecraft] K3 Display T Symbol

[Roger]

What does the letter T mean when it appears in the lower right hand corner of 
the display?
Roger K8RS
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Display T Symbol

[Robert Brandon]

Manual, Page 12:  T indicates FM/tone, or CW/data text decode.

Hmmm.  I don't think there's anything in the menus that allows for setting a
CTCSS tone.  Maybe that will be added later.  


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What does the letter T mean when it appears in the lower right hand corner
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Display T Symbol

[Robert Brandon]

Oops, there it is on page 29.

Tone encode is set up by holding PI TCH.
Rotate VFO A to select a CTCSS tone
frequency (or the European repeater access
tone, 1750 Hz). Use VFO B to turn tone encode
on (PL TONE) or off (PL OFF).

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Manual, Page 12:  T indicates FM/tone, or CW/data text decode.

Hmmm.  I don't think there's anything in the menus that allows for setting a
CTCSS tone.  Maybe that will be added later.  


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display T Symbol

[Dave Hachadorian]

- Original Message - 


Oops, there it is on page 29.


-

Sometimes it's difficult to find things in the paper manual.

I find it much more effective to search for the key words in 
the latest version of the .pdf file.


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[Elecraft] K3 display and IF with SDR14

[Robert Ansell]

Hi All, My K3 serial number 1401 dumped the display. I can get it to display 
for a few seconds sometimes but other times it is dead at start off. I've 
removed front panel and looked for obvious things and even tried cool it to see 
if it is a heat problem but no luck. I'm thinking it will turn out to be a bad 
LCD driver as it seems to be getting worse with time. Just bad luck I guess as 
already I got the bad board for the instability of the power output, a bad 
optical encoder and a bad 400 hz filter.  Good thing for Ham Radio Delux as I 
was not able to see configuration data after doing a reset!!! On to an 
interesting topic. I've interfaced my SDR 14 to the IF output and have been 
having a great time looking at band activity and being able to select the qrg 
from the screen. I just wizz up to a cw signal and have set the center QRG and 
demod up so that the line in the middle of the screen represents the exact qrg 
so I can hear the sig on the computer and the rx at the same time. Here is the 
interesting part, When I apply filtering the IF on the spectrum analyzer shifts 
with the two filters. I have a 400 hz inrad filter 8 pole and a 200 hz Elecraft 
5 pole filter.I've got the center set at 600 hz on the analyzer and have the 
filters set up properly in the configuration but there is a shift and as a 
mater of fact that occurs at the same time as there is a drop out when using 
the shift control as you roll through one filter than another. Can anyone shed 
some light on this?

Thanks

Bob Ansell K1WGM
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 display and IF with SDR14

[Lyle Johnson]

there is a shift and as a mater of fact that occurs at the
same time as there is a drop out when using the shift control
as you roll through one filter than another. Can anyone shed
some light on this?


Yes, the correct BFO injection shifts depending on the width and center 
frequency of the roofing filter.  SpectraVue allows entry of an IF 
offset, but not by mode, so you'll see this slight shift as you change 
width.


73,

Lyle KK7P

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[Elecraft] K3: display question with high SWR

[DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL]

I was just chatting with another K3 owner about the merits (or not) of
the K3 tuner.  I commented that I have resonant antennas on all bands
except for 75m where my ant is cut for the bottom end of 80m.   I
noted that if I set the K3 to 5 watts power and the display and then
transmit (cw), I still get 5 watts out even on 75.  Pretty much the
same at all other power levels up to say, 60 watts, where it seems to
level off.  Since that is plenty of power, I don't see why I would
need the tuner.

However, I note (for the first time...never looked before) that when I
transmit on (say) 3.8 (75m), instead of the usual frequency display, I
get something like 3.5 - 1

1.  What is that?

2.  I assume that if I operate into a bad SWR, that the radio will
protect itself and prevent me from destroying it.  Is that correct?

Thanks,
de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Display Technologies

[Steve Sacco NN4X]

Regarding the discussion of the display on the K3, not that anybody 
asked, but I'm solidly in the I want a larger radio and display camp.


Perhaps you could design an interface for the K3 that would let 
someone hook it up to a 22 inch LCD monitor.


Why stop at a 22 monitor?  What about one of those nifty 50 jobs?

Actually, I've no doubt that cost is one of the reasons the K3 
doesn't have a large LCD display.  I haven't any idea what they cost, 
but considering that you can buy a computer monitor very cheaply, 
considering the size, it would have been a great way to take the K3 
design - the current display, and a supercharged DVI output to allow 
dumping expanded operating parameters to a screen (and a panadaptor 
output, when that time comes) that could accommodate it.  Not like 
this would be revolutionary, but it would be nice.


In any event, I don't have the training to do hardware/RTOS 
development.  I do financial (specifically, bill payment) programming 
and development.



I know the Yeah, but you can take the K3 portable argument, and 
that's all well and good, but I don't tend to schlepp my rigs around.


Neither do I...but I live in a very small house.



My shack is pretty small: 11 X 12.  I've got the computer, printer, 
the ham station (2 HF rigs planned, a Kenwood TS-790A for V/UHF, an 
HF amp, a 2M brick amp, plus power supplies for the above and a Henry 
3006 for 6M work) and filing cabinets all jammed in here.  I wish it 
was 3 times larger.  As it is now, I can't have a visitor sit down 
and hang out with me.




Do you think K3 owners that operate CW should wear garters on their 
shirts and maybe have green eye shades?


Huh?  I don't get it. I consider CW to be a highly advanced form of 
communication, actually.  It's the AM and ESSB folks who, IMO, 
should be wearing the green eye shades, etc.







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[Elecraft] [K3] Display Technologies

[Steve Sacco NN4X]

Regarding the discussion of the display on the K3, not that anybody 
asked, but I'm solidly in the I want a larger radio and display camp.


I know the Yeah, but you can take the K3 portable argument, and 
that's all well and good, but I don't tend to schlepp my rigs around.


Anyway, perhaps sometime in the not-too-distant future, we'll use 
something like this:



http://www.myvu.com/Products/universal/



73,
Steve NN4X
EL98jh





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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Display Technologies

[Thom LaCosta]

On Mon, 3 Dec 2007, Steve Sacco NN4X wrote:

Regarding the discussion of the display on the K3, not that anybody asked, 
but I'm solidly in the I want a larger radio and display camp.


Perhaps you could design an interface for the K3 that would let someone hook it 
up to a 22 inch LCD monitor.




I know the Yeah, but you can take the K3 portable argument, and that's all 
well and good, but I don't tend to schlepp my rigs around.


Neither do I...but I live in a very small house.


Anyway, perhaps sometime in the not-too-distant future, we'll use something 
like this:



http://www.myvu.com/Products/universal/


Great idea for mobile!

Do you think K3 owners that operate CW should wear garters on their shirts and 
maybe have green eye shades?


73 k3hrn
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Display Technologies

[Thom LaCosta]

On Mon, 3 Dec 2007, Steve Sacco NN4X wrote:



Do you think K3 owners that operate CW should wear garters on their shirts 
and maybe have green eye shades?


Huh?  I don't get it. I consider CW to be a highly advanced form of 
communication, actually.  It's the AM and ESSB folks who, IMO, should be 
wearing the green eye shades, etc.


Ah, I see the humor was lost...Oh well.

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[Elecraft] K3 display for contesters

[Dwight Baker]

Dick, you are on target about the TenTec reflector.  The same thing is going
on at the FT-2000 reflector now.  It seems every item warrants a flame from
someone who does not agree.

 

The Elecraft reflector is very tame compared to the FT-2000.  Eric and Wayne
are to be credited for not only bringing forth a super product but their
willingness to address any and all issues.

 

So my hat is to all at Elecraft for being a class act.

 

Dwight  

W4IJY

K2 #4766 (ain't done yet)

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[Elecraft] K3 display for contesters

[Bill Tippett]

WC1M:

The Orion does a good enough job with DSP that it isn't easy to distinguish

between 600Hz, 400Hz, or 200Hz.

Dick the K3 has a visual passband indicator that gives you an indication of 
the passband in octaves (e.g..  ~250 Hz, 500 Hz and 1000 Hz for CW).  I 
doubt I'll miss reading BW to the nearest 10 Hz (as in Orion).


Almost done with mine!  Took a break to listen on 160 but the band sounds 
poor so back work now.


Barry N1EU, regarding your comment about shape factor, I assume you know 
about the K3 Context filter.  Having used my old TS-930 since I sold my 
Orion in June, I rediscovered using its SSB filters in CW with VBT cranked 
down completely (few hundred Hz BW but with a very wide shape factor).  This 
*really* works well for very weak signals in noise.  I'm now looking forward 
to the KRX3 with one BW narrow and the other wide in diversity mode.  This 
might be another alternative to the Context filter.


73,  Bill  W4ZV

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