Re: [Elecraft] Parts Swappers
It all boils down to trust... You either trust your seller, or buyer, or you don't. You take precautions, (take a reasonable number of them, not going overboard), and if you get burned you modify how you determine trust, or you take your chances again. TANSTAAFL There are no guarantees in life, save at some point you will reach your expire date, and will have had to pay the Government taxes... On 10/31/21 4:07 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2021 31 Oct 01:06 -0500, Carl Jón Denbow wrote: If this was a big problem that would be prudent, but it’s not. I’ve never had a problem of this sort in years of online trading, selling and buying ham gear. Others on here have said the same thing. This is a solution in search of a problem, IMHO. — 73 de Carl Nice to know that this is not as wide spread as some ads I've seen would lead one to believe. On Oct 30, 2021, at 7:03 PM, eda...@aya.yale.edu wrote: From a seller's point of view, would it work to ship the gear with some unique sort of tape spanning the seams, and saying to the buyers that anything opened can't be returned? The tape idea has another side to it, as a buyer I have a right to inspect my purchase to assure that I received what I paid for. An unscrupulous seller could attempt to use this in various ways for their own gain as well. At some point there has to be a modicum of trust between the parties. I've inquired about equipment in the past and sometimes there is just a vibe that tells me to move on. I've gotten some grief for doing so. Oh well. 73, Nate 73, Dave, https://www.nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Parts Swappers
* On 2021 31 Oct 01:06 -0500, Carl Jón Denbow wrote: > If this was a big problem that would be prudent, but it’s not. I’ve > never had a problem of this sort in years of online trading, selling > and buying ham gear. Others on here have said the same thing. This > is a solution in search of a problem, IMHO. — 73 de Carl Nice to know that this is not as wide spread as some ads I've seen would lead one to believe. > > On Oct 30, 2021, at 7:03 PM, eda...@aya.yale.edu wrote: > > > > From a seller's point of view, would it work to ship the gear with some > > unique sort of tape spanning the seams, and saying to the buyers that > > anything opened can't be returned? The tape idea has another side to it, as a buyer I have a right to inspect my purchase to assure that I received what I paid for. An unscrupulous seller could attempt to use this in various ways for their own gain as well. At some point there has to be a modicum of trust between the parties. I've inquired about equipment in the past and sometimes there is just a vibe that tells me to move on. I've gotten some grief for doing so. Oh well. 73, Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Parts Swappers
If this was a big problem that would be prudent, but it’s not. I’ve never had a problem of this sort in years of online trading, selling and buying ham gear. Others on here have said the same thing. This is a solution in search of a problem, IMHO. — 73 de Carl Sent from my iPhone == Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 c...@n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 POTA on SSB and digital modes === Sent from my iPhone == Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 c...@n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 POTA on SSB and digital modes === > On Oct 30, 2021, at 7:03 PM, eda...@aya.yale.edu wrote: > From a seller's point of view, would it work to ship the gear with some > unique sort of tape spanning the seams, and saying to the buyers that > anything opened can't be returned? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@qth.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Parts Swappers
If this was a big problem that would be prudent, but it’s not. I’ve never had a problem of this sort in years of online trading, selling and buying ham gear. Others on here have said the same thing. This is a solution in search of a problem, IMHO. — 73 de Carl Sent from my iPhone == Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 c...@n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 POTA on SSB and digital modes === > On Oct 30, 2021, at 7:03 PM, eda...@aya.yale.edu wrote: > > From a seller's point of view, would it work to ship the gear with some > unique sort of tape spanning the seams, and saying to the buyers that > anything opened can't be returned? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@qth.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Parts Swappers
>From a seller's point of view, would it work to ship the gear with some unique sort of tape spanning the seams, and saying to the buyers that anything opened can't be returned? Ted, KN1CBR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
I am in a loosely similar situation. I have a neighbor, who is a HAM and he will be in charge to de-comission my modest K-line station. I am looking into the possibility to donate the station to the local high school under his supervision. Thank you guys for making me to think and consider options about this subject of dispensing valuable radio stuff in a socially beneficial manner. 73, Lou KE1F (85 years old HAM) On 10/30/2021 21:18, turnbull wrote: Jerry, Why not consider looking for some schools, colleges, scout troops to pass some of the radios on to. Possibly ARRL, local clubs or the Northern California Dx Association might make some suggestions to think about. The hobby has been good to us. I too am not keen on selling radio gear. It is nice to be in such a situation. Please forgive my gall for broaching this. We all rightly have different circumstances and viewpoints. 73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Galaxy Original message From: KE8G Date: 30/10/2021 22:04 (GMT+00:00) To: jerry Cc: Elecraft , Anthony Wanschura Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing" I think it was started some years back and folks seem to think they need toadd it to their sales ad.Personally, if I am looking for a piece of equipment and I see this littlephrase added to the blurb, I ignore it. My feeling is that if the sellingperson is saying he doesn't trust someone, then how can he be trusted?!?As others have said, it's a copout way of saying the seller doesn't want tobe bothered with returns.YMMV.73 de Jim - KE8GOn Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 3:17 PM jerry wrote:> This is of real concern to me. I have an accumulation of ham equipment,> and> probably need to start moving some of it out - to make room in my life> for more ham equipment :).>> It's not that I need the money... got plenty of that. I could keep> buying equipment the rest of my life and sluff off the selling job to> my heirs :). But that would be dumb. What's the use of having all this> nice stuff in the closet?>> At the moment there's a pair of K2's - one 100W and one 10W. An> IC706MKII with very low hours. A Kenwood TS590S. A 30L-1. A> collection of Sideband Engineers SB34 transceivers. A QRP-labs QCX+ &> matching 50W amp. A small collection of ARC-5 transmitters & receivers.> A Ubitx transceiver. A couple of old sweep tube linears. 3 or 4 (> think there's 4, but haven't seen the fourth one in a while ) TV7D/U> tube testers - my goodness, has anybody seen what those things are going> for on Ebay? Also, I expect my Alpha 78 to become surplus some time> next year.>> In the past, there was a ham radio swap meet in Silicon Valley.> That's gone for the moment due to COVID. Even the venue ( Fry's> Electroncs ) is gone. I've been going to this thing since the early> 70's. I would mostly buy, but also sold. I've been there as early as> 4:30 in the morning... but I have never been first.> Fond memories... There was that Swan 500 that I scored for $100 at 6:00> in the morning.>> In the 80's, I was getting fairly prosperous, and I started buying all> the stuff I had drooled over as a starving student in the 70's. A Drake> TR4... A Collins R390A ( $100 ). A Galaxy 5 in brand new condition> with the packing tape still on the tubes...>> Mostly, I sold it back a few months later at the same swap meet.> Storage space was always an issue. I used to joke that the most> valuable thing that traded places at the swap was not the stuff... or> the money.. but rather Silicon Valley real estate; storage space in> people's attics and garages. I developed an rule: I would buy nothing> that would not fit in a backpack.>> The flea market was more than a sales venue - it was a community. I> would see familiar> people there. There was the soldering iron guy... the cables &> connectors family that came up from LA; Rik the cheap Chinese tools guy> who also had supermagnets. Mark the> CTO of Netgear, who would come up in his old VW microbus and sell> detritus from his lab.> He was an excellent source of wall warts.>> At the flea market, what you see is what you get. Does it work? Show> me. You could> get a feel for the guy behind the table, person to person.>> Anyway... selling on line to people far away - seems like a lot of> work. Have to pack stuff up, haul it off to the shipping store, freak> out at how much they charge, worry about parts swappers Maybe I'll> just wait till the swap meet starts up again in 2022.>> - Jerry KF6VB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-10-29 22:45, Larry Shapiro wrote:> > When I first started listing items on QRZ, I was told by a
Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
Jerry, Why not consider looking for some schools, colleges, scout troops to pass some of the radios on to. Possibly ARRL, local clubs or the Northern California Dx Association might make some suggestions to think about. The hobby has been good to us. I too am not keen on selling radio gear. It is nice to be in such a situation. Please forgive my gall for broaching this. We all rightly have different circumstances and viewpoints. 73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Galaxy Original message From: KE8G Date: 30/10/2021 22:04 (GMT+00:00) To: jerry Cc: Elecraft , Anthony Wanschura Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing" I think it was started some years back and folks seem to think they need toadd it to their sales ad.Personally, if I am looking for a piece of equipment and I see this littlephrase added to the blurb, I ignore it. My feeling is that if the sellingperson is saying he doesn't trust someone, then how can he be trusted?!?As others have said, it's a copout way of saying the seller doesn't want tobe bothered with returns.YMMV.73 de Jim - KE8GOn Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 3:17 PM jerry wrote:> This is of real concern to me. I have an accumulation of ham equipment,> and> probably need to start moving some of it out - to make room in my life> for more ham equipment :).>> It's not that I need the money... got plenty of that. I could keep> buying equipment the rest of my life and sluff off the selling job to> my heirs :). But that would be dumb. What's the use of having all this> nice stuff in the closet?>> At the moment there's a pair of K2's - one 100W and one 10W. An> IC706MKII with very low hours. A Kenwood TS590S. A 30L-1. A> collection of Sideband Engineers SB34 transceivers. A QRP-labs QCX+ &> matching 50W amp. A small collection of ARC-5 transmitters & receivers.> A Ubitx transceiver. A couple of old sweep tube linears. 3 or 4 (> think there's 4, but haven't seen the fourth one in a while ) TV7D/U> tube testers - my goodness, has anybody seen what those things are going> for on Ebay? Also, I expect my Alpha 78 to become surplus some time> next year.>> In the past, there was a ham radio swap meet in Silicon Valley.> That's gone for the moment due to COVID. Even the venue ( Fry's> Electroncs ) is gone. I've been going to this thing since the early> 70's. I would mostly buy, but also sold. I've been there as early as> 4:30 in the morning... but I have never been first.> Fond memories... There was that Swan 500 that I scored for $100 at 6:00> in the morning.>> In the 80's, I was getting fairly prosperous, and I started buying all> the stuff I had drooled over as a starving student in the 70's. A Drake> TR4... A Collins R390A ( $100 ). A Galaxy 5 in brand new condition> with the packing tape still on the tubes...>> Mostly, I sold it back a few months later at the same swap meet.> Storage space was always an issue. I used to joke that the most> valuable thing that traded places at the swap was not the stuff... or> the money.. but rather Silicon Valley real estate; storage space in> people's attics and garages. I developed an rule: I would buy nothing> that would not fit in a backpack.>> The flea market was more than a sales venue - it was a community. I> would see familiar> people there. There was the soldering iron guy... the cables &> connectors family that came up from LA; Rik the cheap Chinese tools guy> who also had supermagnets. Mark the> CTO of Netgear, who would come up in his old VW microbus and sell> detritus from his lab.> He was an excellent source of wall warts.>> At the flea market, what you see is what you get. Does it work? Show> me. You could> get a feel for the guy behind the table, person to person.>> Anyway... selling on line to people far away - seems like a lot of> work. Have to pack stuff up, haul it off to the shipping store, freak> out at how much they charge, worry about parts swappers Maybe I'll> just wait till the swap meet starts up again in 2022.>> - Jerry KF6VB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-10-29 22:45, Larry Shapiro wrote:> > When I first started listing items on QRZ, I was told by a handful of> > guys to always put this in my listings.> > I asked why,and was told that it happens too frequently.> > I started to add the parts swappers line to my listings.> > I have not had any issues,other than one buyer who> > was a real pain.> > After reading this this thread,I have decided not to do this anymore.> > In my 33 years as a Ham,I have had 99% great experiences
Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
On 10/30/2021 1:16 PM, jerry wrote: This is of real concern to me. I have an accumulation of ham equipment, For several years beginning around 2010, I had reasonable success selling stuff for the widow of a local ham, for a neighbor ham who moved to a sailboat, and for myself. A lot of it on eham, some to members of local clubs, some at that Si Valley swap. The only issue was something dumb by the dumb admin of eham, don't recall details. When doing biz with a stranger, whether an individual or a company, whether online or in a swap meet (what we called hamfests east of the Rockies), it's always important to keep one's BS filter and scam filter firmly in place. So far, I have yet to be burned. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
I think it was started some years back and folks seem to think they need to add it to their sales ad. Personally, if I am looking for a piece of equipment and I see this little phrase added to the blurb, I ignore it. My feeling is that if the selling person is saying he doesn't trust someone, then how can he be trusted?!? As others have said, it's a copout way of saying the seller doesn't want to be bothered with returns. YMMV. 73 de Jim - KE8G On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 3:17 PM jerry wrote: > This is of real concern to me. I have an accumulation of ham equipment, > and > probably need to start moving some of it out - to make room in my life > for more ham equipment :). > > It's not that I need the money... got plenty of that. I could keep > buying equipment the rest of my life and sluff off the selling job to > my heirs :). But that would be dumb. What's the use of having all this > nice stuff in the closet? > >At the moment there's a pair of K2's - one 100W and one 10W. An > IC706MKII with very low hours. A Kenwood TS590S. A 30L-1. A > collection of Sideband Engineers SB34 transceivers. A QRP-labs QCX+ & > matching 50W amp. A small collection of ARC-5 transmitters & receivers. > A Ubitx transceiver. A couple of old sweep tube linears. 3 or 4 ( > think there's 4, but haven't seen the fourth one in a while ) TV7D/U > tube testers - my goodness, has anybody seen what those things are going > for on Ebay? Also, I expect my Alpha 78 to become surplus some time > next year. > >In the past, there was a ham radio swap meet in Silicon Valley. > That's gone for the moment due to COVID. Even the venue ( Fry's > Electroncs ) is gone. I've been going to this thing since the early > 70's. I would mostly buy, but also sold. I've been there as early as > 4:30 in the morning... but I have never been first. > Fond memories... There was that Swan 500 that I scored for $100 at 6:00 > in the morning. > > In the 80's, I was getting fairly prosperous, and I started buying all > the stuff I had drooled over as a starving student in the 70's. A Drake > TR4... A Collins R390A ( $100 ). A Galaxy 5 in brand new condition > with the packing tape still on the tubes... > > Mostly, I sold it back a few months later at the same swap meet. > Storage space was always an issue. I used to joke that the most > valuable thing that traded places at the swap was not the stuff... or > the money.. but rather Silicon Valley real estate; storage space in > people's attics and garages. I developed an rule: I would buy nothing > that would not fit in a backpack. > > The flea market was more than a sales venue - it was a community. I > would see familiar > people there. There was the soldering iron guy... the cables & > connectors family that came up from LA; Rik the cheap Chinese tools guy > who also had supermagnets. Mark the > CTO of Netgear, who would come up in his old VW microbus and sell > detritus from his lab. > He was an excellent source of wall warts. > >At the flea market, what you see is what you get. Does it work? Show > me. You could > get a feel for the guy behind the table, person to person. > >Anyway... selling on line to people far away - seems like a lot of > work. Have to pack stuff up, haul it off to the shipping store, freak > out at how much they charge, worry about parts swappers Maybe I'll > just wait till the swap meet starts up again in 2022. > >- Jerry KF6VB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2021-10-29 22:45, Larry Shapiro wrote: > > When I first started listing items on QRZ, I was told by a handful of > > guys to always put this in my listings. > > I asked why,and was told that it happens too frequently. > > I started to add the parts swappers line to my listings. > > I have not had any issues,other than one buyer who > > was a real pain. > > After reading this this thread,I have decided not to do this anymore. > > In my 33 years as a Ham,I have had 99% great experiences with other > > Hams. > > Thanks, > > Larry k6ro > > > > -Original Message- From: Anthony Wanschura > > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 6:30 AM > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing" > > > > Hi all, > > > > I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this > > really been an issue? > > > > It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale. > > > > 73, > > Tony KM0O > > ___
Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
This is of real concern to me. I have an accumulation of ham equipment, and probably need to start moving some of it out - to make room in my life for more ham equipment :). It's not that I need the money... got plenty of that. I could keep buying equipment the rest of my life and sluff off the selling job to my heirs :). But that would be dumb. What's the use of having all this nice stuff in the closet? At the moment there's a pair of K2's - one 100W and one 10W. An IC706MKII with very low hours. A Kenwood TS590S. A 30L-1. A collection of Sideband Engineers SB34 transceivers. A QRP-labs QCX+ & matching 50W amp. A small collection of ARC-5 transmitters & receivers. A Ubitx transceiver. A couple of old sweep tube linears. 3 or 4 ( think there's 4, but haven't seen the fourth one in a while ) TV7D/U tube testers - my goodness, has anybody seen what those things are going for on Ebay? Also, I expect my Alpha 78 to become surplus some time next year. In the past, there was a ham radio swap meet in Silicon Valley. That's gone for the moment due to COVID. Even the venue ( Fry's Electroncs ) is gone. I've been going to this thing since the early 70's. I would mostly buy, but also sold. I've been there as early as 4:30 in the morning... but I have never been first. Fond memories... There was that Swan 500 that I scored for $100 at 6:00 in the morning. In the 80's, I was getting fairly prosperous, and I started buying all the stuff I had drooled over as a starving student in the 70's. A Drake TR4... A Collins R390A ( $100 ). A Galaxy 5 in brand new condition with the packing tape still on the tubes... Mostly, I sold it back a few months later at the same swap meet. Storage space was always an issue. I used to joke that the most valuable thing that traded places at the swap was not the stuff... or the money.. but rather Silicon Valley real estate; storage space in people's attics and garages. I developed an rule: I would buy nothing that would not fit in a backpack. The flea market was more than a sales venue - it was a community. I would see familiar people there. There was the soldering iron guy... the cables & connectors family that came up from LA; Rik the cheap Chinese tools guy who also had supermagnets. Mark the CTO of Netgear, who would come up in his old VW microbus and sell detritus from his lab. He was an excellent source of wall warts. At the flea market, what you see is what you get. Does it work? Show me. You could get a feel for the guy behind the table, person to person. Anyway... selling on line to people far away - seems like a lot of work. Have to pack stuff up, haul it off to the shipping store, freak out at how much they charge, worry about parts swappers Maybe I'll just wait till the swap meet starts up again in 2022. - Jerry KF6VB On 2021-10-29 22:45, Larry Shapiro wrote: When I first started listing items on QRZ, I was told by a handful of guys to always put this in my listings. I asked why,and was told that it happens too frequently. I started to add the parts swappers line to my listings. I have not had any issues,other than one buyer who was a real pain. After reading this this thread,I have decided not to do this anymore. In my 33 years as a Ham,I have had 99% great experiences with other Hams. Thanks, Larry k6ro -Original Message- From: Anthony Wanschura Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 6:30 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing" Hi all, I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this really been an issue? It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale. 73, Tony KM0O __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to las...@cox.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
When I first started listing items on QRZ, I was told by a handful of guys to always put this in my listings. I asked why,and was told that it happens too frequently. I started to add the parts swappers line to my listings. I have not had any issues,other than one buyer who was a real pain. After reading this this thread,I have decided not to do this anymore. In my 33 years as a Ham,I have had 99% great experiences with other Hams. Thanks, Larry k6ro -Original Message- From: Anthony Wanschura Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 6:30 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing" Hi all, I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this really been an issue? It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale. 73, Tony KM0O __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to las...@cox.net -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
Some rigs are sold as "Tech Special". The ad indicates there is a problem with the rig, but is not specific about that problem, and states you will have to fix it. Now you can't return if it does not work, you knew you were buying a dead rig... What the ad does not say, is the magnitude of the problem... Some folks will take several, (lets say, 706 MK2 Gs), that all have major but different problems, and build one working "Frankenradio" out of them, swapping every broken board into one of the dead 706's, that 706 then gets sold as a "Tech Special". This gets the Frankenradio working, and the "repair man", saves a few bucks by selling off the broken items. The unsuspecting ham that thinks he may get a rig for 20% of new, and be able to repair it, finds a radio that has most of the boards dead, and the cost of repair is far more than the rig is worth. Worse yet, the radio can't even be used as board replacements for a rig of the same ilk, as every board will need to be tested, and most will be bad... The poor ham that buys the Frankenradio has no idea his radio has been pieced together with no regards to board mods, etc., from any number of dead rigs of the same ilk... I am always very careful of buying used rigs... I don't purchase full rigs often, and when I do I assume it will be broken, no matter what someone says, so the price had better reflect that... 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources On 10/29/21 4:42 PM, Julia Tuttle wrote: It's someone who buys a fancy piece of equipment (like a radio or a power supply), opens it, removes some valuable parts, maybe replaces them with inferior substitutes, and returns their purchase. On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 7:34 PM Bob Liesen wrote: Hi, Sorry to be ignorant, but what exactly is a "parts swapper"? Tnx Bob WB0POQ On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 5:31 PM Michael Gillen via Elecraft < elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote: I always get a phone number and talk to the person directly. If they won’t supply a phone number I pass. If you use PayPal DON’T use “Friends and Family” you will have no protection. If you need to add 3% to cover the fees no big deal. I always insist on the ability to return the item. Just be cautious. KK6RWK Michael __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wb0...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ju...@juliatuttle.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
It's someone who buys a fancy piece of equipment (like a radio or a power supply), opens it, removes some valuable parts, maybe replaces them with inferior substitutes, and returns their purchase. On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 7:34 PM Bob Liesen wrote: > Hi, > Sorry to be ignorant, but what exactly is a "parts swapper"? > > Tnx > Bob WB0POQ > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 5:31 PM Michael Gillen via Elecraft < > elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > > I always get a phone number and talk to the person directly. If they > won’t > > supply a phone number I pass. > > If you use PayPal DON’T use “Friends and Family” you will have no > > protection. If you need to add 3% to cover the fees no big deal. > > I always insist on the ability to return the item. > > Just be cautious. > > > > KK6RWK > > Michael > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wb0...@gmail.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ju...@juliatuttle.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I have the same policy as Dave. I don’t buy from folks who use this ploy. Turns me off. Makes them look suspicious. — 73 de Carl Sent from my iPhone == Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 c...@n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 POTA on SSB and digital modes === > On Oct 29, 2021, at 12:28 PM, Dave wrote: > > Maybe some people do this, but I have never had it happen to me, and I > buy/sell on QTH, and QRZ. I suspect people looking for a good excuse to not > offer returns, no matter what. > > Personally, I won't purchase from a person claiming parts swappers are a > problem. Why? It gives them an excuse to sell me a radio I can't return for > any reason-- even if it does not work out of the shipping box. > > I am sure someone someplace got burned by this, but it looks like an excuse > to me. Hence why I don't trade with people that claim that. > >> On 10/29/21 6:30 AM, Anthony Wanschura wrote: >> Hi all, >> I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this >> really been an issue? >> It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale. >> 73, >> Tony KM0O >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net > 73, > Dave, > https://www.nk7z.net > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@qth.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi, Sorry to be ignorant, but what exactly is a "parts swapper"? Tnx Bob WB0POQ On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 5:31 PM Michael Gillen via Elecraft < elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote: > I always get a phone number and talk to the person directly. If they won’t > supply a phone number I pass. > If you use PayPal DON’T use “Friends and Family” you will have no > protection. If you need to add 3% to cover the fees no big deal. > I always insist on the ability to return the item. > Just be cautious. > > KK6RWK > Michael > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb0...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
I always get a phone number and talk to the person directly. If they won’t supply a phone number I pass. If you use PayPal DON’T use “Friends and Family” you will have no protection. If you need to add 3% to cover the fees no big deal. I always insist on the ability to return the item. Just be cautious. KK6RWK Michael __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Dave AB7E, It is not a matter of trust, it is a matter of keeping my options open. I assume all transactions will be honest, but I take precautions in the event one is not. I also won't trade with a person that refuses to use PayPal, either as a buyer or seller. I will however purchase cash if I can see and touch the equipment. If I can't get a set of clear photos, I won't trade, etc... I have never been burned by parts swappers, but I am sure they exist. If I refuse to trade with them, I guarantee I will never get burned by one-- hence my attitude with regards to that subject. On 10/29/21 11:22 AM, David Gilbert wrote: Personally, I think it's a fallacy that hams are any more fundamentally honorable than the average person. We have enough evidence of cheating in contests to know that. And if NK7Z (an active buyer/seller of ham gear) says he doesn't trust hams who use the parts swapping excuse to refuse returns, that's telling as well. Hams aren't any worse than any other group of humans, but I think any of us should use the same care in a purchase from a ham that we would from anyone else. 73, Dave AB7E On 10/29/2021 6:44 AM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote: Tony: I think it’s just an excuse that some hams use for saying they won’t accept returns. I’m sure it’s happened on rare occasions, but I’ve bought and sold a lot gear on qth.com, and a few other places, over the years and I’ve found the vast majority of hams to be honest. I have dealt with a few scammers, but that’s a different issue. They are invariably non-hams who are posing as hams. In all the time I’ve engaged in online trading of ham gear, I’ve only run into one dishonest ham, but he seemed to be suffering from some kind of mental disorder. If you insist on being paid via PayPal you’ll be protected. That’s my two cents worth. — 73 de Carl Sent from my iPhone == Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 c...@n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net 73, Dave, https://www.nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
It has happened to me - not on a K3 but on a power supply. I sold a perfectly good 50 Amp Astron linear DC supply on eBay. Guy said it didn't work and shipped it back to me. Before I sold it, I added 3 new MOV's as per an article on repeater-builder. They were a certain color and size and of course I soldered them in place - I knew what they looked like. When I received the power supply back, I opened it to check it out. I immediately noticed the transformer only had a single MOV across the input leads and it was discolored due to heat or age or both. The transformer was not connected on the low voltage side at all - the remnants of the old leads were still soldered to diode/rectifier parts and appears to have been cut from "my" transformer with dikes. The cork pieces between the transformer and the case were gone - I had added an extra piece to help with the hum - all gone. This wasn't my transformer!! Since the transformer was disconnected on the low side I plugged the supply up to AC and flipped on the switch and the supply's fuse blew >:-( I bypassed all of the internal wiring in the supply and tied the high side of the transformer to AC and plugged it in on the bench - it blew the breaker on my power strip. So, I gave away my good working transformer to some guy who needed it in his supply. I made a case with eBay and the only resolve so far is the buyer was delisted and they have refunded all of my fees. The case is ongoing. The buyer was not a ham to my knowledge. Hank K4HYJ - Original Message - From: Dave (d...@nk7z.net) Date: 10/29/21 12:26 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing" Maybe some people do this, but I have never had it happen to me, and I buy/sell on QTH, and QRZ. I suspect people looking for a good excuse to not offer returns, no matter what. Personally, I won't purchase from a person claiming parts swappers are a problem. Why? It gives them an excuse to sell me a radio I can't return for any reason-- even if it does not work out of the shipping box. I am sure someone someplace got burned by this, but it looks like an excuse to me. Hence why I don't trade with people that claim that. On 10/29/21 6:30 AM, Anthony Wanschura wrote: > Hi all, > > I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this > really been an issue? > > It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale. > > 73, > Tony KM0O > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net > 73, Dave, https://www.nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to h...@optilink.us __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
Personally, I think it's a fallacy that hams are any more fundamentally honorable than the average person. We have enough evidence of cheating in contests to know that. And if NK7Z (an active buyer/seller of ham gear) says he doesn't trust hams who use the parts swapping excuse to refuse returns, that's telling as well. Hams aren't any worse than any other group of humans, but I think any of us should use the same care in a purchase from a ham that we would from anyone else. 73, Dave AB7E On 10/29/2021 6:44 AM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote: Tony: I think it’s just an excuse that some hams use for saying they won’t accept returns. I’m sure it’s happened on rare occasions, but I’ve bought and sold a lot gear on qth.com, and a few other places, over the years and I’ve found the vast majority of hams to be honest. I have dealt with a few scammers, but that’s a different issue. They are invariably non-hams who are posing as hams. In all the time I’ve engaged in online trading of ham gear, I’ve only run into one dishonest ham, but he seemed to be suffering from some kind of mental disorder. If you insist on being paid via PayPal you’ll be protected. That’s my two cents worth. — 73 de Carl Sent from my iPhone == Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 c...@n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Just as an aside, my post here has nothing to do with any person or business selling here... Just how I operate when purchasing items from anyone... __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
Maybe some people do this, but I have never had it happen to me, and I buy/sell on QTH, and QRZ. I suspect people looking for a good excuse to not offer returns, no matter what. Personally, I won't purchase from a person claiming parts swappers are a problem. Why? It gives them an excuse to sell me a radio I can't return for any reason-- even if it does not work out of the shipping box. I am sure someone someplace got burned by this, but it looks like an excuse to me. Hence why I don't trade with people that claim that. On 10/29/21 6:30 AM, Anthony Wanschura wrote: Hi all, I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this really been an issue? It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale. 73, Tony KM0O __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net 73, Dave, https://www.nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
If it is a real thing, I would have tripped over it by now. However, if you are selling an FT101ZD with 6146B tubes in it, that might be a different story. 73, Mike On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 9:52 AM Greg Mitchell wrote: > My personal opinion is that it's not a real thing (at least not as enough > volume to matter). If it really bothers you, get some of those void > warranty stickers so you know if the radio has been opened. > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 9:32 AM Anthony Wanschura > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this > > really been an issue? > > > > It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale. > > > > 73, > > Tony KM0O > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to kb1...@arrl.net > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va...@portcredit.net > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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My personal opinion is that it's not a real thing (at least not as enough volume to matter). If it really bothers you, get some of those void warranty stickers so you know if the radio has been opened. On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 9:32 AM Anthony Wanschura wrote: > Hi all, > > I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this > really been an issue? > > It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale. > > 73, > Tony KM0O > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kb1...@arrl.net > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Tony: I think it’s just an excuse that some hams use for saying they won’t accept returns. I’m sure it’s happened on rare occasions, but I’ve bought and sold a lot gear on qth.com, and a few other places, over the years and I’ve found the vast majority of hams to be honest. I have dealt with a few scammers, but that’s a different issue. They are invariably non-hams who are posing as hams. In all the time I’ve engaged in online trading of ham gear, I’ve only run into one dishonest ham, but he seemed to be suffering from some kind of mental disorder. If you insist on being paid via PayPal you’ll be protected. That’s my two cents worth. — 73 de Carl Sent from my iPhone == Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 c...@n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 POTA on SSB and digital modes === > On Oct 29, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Anthony Wanschura wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this > really been an issue? > > It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale. > > 73, > Tony KM0O > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@qth.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
Hi all, I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this really been an issue? It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale. 73, Tony KM0O __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
