Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
My first experience with radios that require computer support was with a Pegasus. I just had to have one. Three months later I just had to sell it because I realized that reliability was compromised when more than one piece of gear was needed for a task that used to be handled by a single piece of gear alone. Not only that, but I could not effectively use my computer for other tasks because it was needed to run the radio. I still use a computer along with my radio for ham related activities but I sleep better knowing I can still engage in ham related activities when my computer gets sick. Computers tend to get sick more often than radios. At least that has been my experience. Besides,I don't want to give up complete control of my radio to a computer. Scott Manthe wrote: The difference, of course, is that a computer is not REQUIRED to use a K3. The Flex will not function at all without the computer, so the comments about the Flex being dependent on computer hardware are hardly nonsense. 73, Scott, N9AA On 3/10/15 10:45 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: First a disclaimer: I don't own a Flex radio (and it is a radio) The closest I've come is using an LP Pan on the i-f output of a K3, which I do own. But this argument is simply nonsense. If the radio breaks---they actually do you know---you're (note spelling) off the air too. And try as I might, I can't see Internet spots on my K3, nor can I use it to keep my banking records, write email, do antenna modeling, etc. For this I still need a computer. And believe it or not, that same computer is connected to my K3 and I would be lost without it. I don't want to go back to my BC-342 and crystal-controlled 6L6, which some still think are the only real radios. Time marches on...try to keep up. Wes N7WS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bs...@k5dkz.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 (Don Wilhelm)
Guys - I have now closed this thread twice. We are way past the threshold for too many posts on a single topic. Thread closed - really! 73, Eric List moderator elecraft.com On 3/11/2015 8:05 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote: Don, Isn't that the nice thing about Amateur Radio, *different strokes for different folks. **And as our knowledge expands, we can try different things or not.* Myself, I really enjoy integrating a lot of operating software tools in my station. But, even with the DX Cluster up in the background, many times I just sit listening to a randow frequency or watching the RF spectrum of my Win4K3 driven scope powered by a K3 or KX3. I can't tell how many times I've been on some random frequency with nothing going on, and then someone pops up and calls CQ or asks if the frequency was in use. Just last night, BD9XE/QRP popped up last night on a random 20m cw frequency and I worked him before he was ever spotted. In this way, I learn about propagation openings, propagation timing, and such. When it comes to radios, the thing that excites me about the K3 and KX3 rigs are that you can operate using knobs or software. The Elecraft K3 and KX3 rigs gives you the best of many worlds...and over time the gear keeps getting better. *Back to different strokes for different folks*...A radio buddy, K3FK was asked by a reporter at our Field Day event in 2013, and I paraphrase, what is it about ham radio that interests him, he answered what is it about catch and release fishing that attracts people? Doug NA1DX -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 19:35:26 -0400 From: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 Message-ID: 54ff7fbe.40...@embarqmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed I am old school. Yes, I have a 6 core AMD computer with 8GB of memory dedicated to the ham station, but I do not use it a lot for rig control - its main use right now is to give me a panadapter display, but that part will soon be replaced by a P3. I still paper log, and automated spots do not excite me - I can bring up the spots on the computer and then dial the K3 to that frequency should I be so inclined. It causes me to think about what I am doing in the hamshack. Those hams who arbitrarily click on spots do not excite me. I prefer to hear the DX first rather than just transmitting without regard to others just because a spot says there is something of interest at that frequency. In other words, if you can't hear them, don't transmit - the ham bands would be much more sane if everyone did likewise. Just my not so humble opinion. 73, Don W3FPR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to elist_c...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 (Don Wilhelm)
Don, Isn't that the nice thing about Amateur Radio, *different strokes for different folks. **And as our knowledge expands, we can try different things or not.* Myself, I really enjoy integrating a lot of operating software tools in my station. But, even with the DX Cluster up in the background, many times I just sit listening to a randow frequency or watching the RF spectrum of my Win4K3 driven scope powered by a K3 or KX3. I can't tell how many times I've been on some random frequency with nothing going on, and then someone pops up and calls CQ or asks if the frequency was in use. Just last night, BD9XE/QRP popped up last night on a random 20m cw frequency and I worked him before he was ever spotted. In this way, I learn about propagation openings, propagation timing, and such. When it comes to radios, the thing that excites me about the K3 and KX3 rigs are that you can operate using knobs or software. The Elecraft K3 and KX3 rigs gives you the best of many worlds...and over time the gear keeps getting better. *Back to different strokes for different folks*...A radio buddy, K3FK was asked by a reporter at our Field Day event in 2013, and I paraphrase, what is it about ham radio that interests him, he answered what is it about catch and release fishing that attracts people? Doug NA1DX -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 19:35:26 -0400 From: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 Message-ID: 54ff7fbe.40...@embarqmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed I am old school. Yes, I have a 6 core AMD computer with 8GB of memory dedicated to the ham station, but I do not use it a lot for rig control - its main use right now is to give me a panadapter display, but that part will soon be replaced by a P3. I still paper log, and automated spots do not excite me - I can bring up the spots on the computer and then dial the K3 to that frequency should I be so inclined. It causes me to think about what I am doing in the hamshack. Those hams who arbitrarily click on spots do not excite me. I prefer to hear the DX first rather than just transmitting without regard to others just because a spot says there is something of interest at that frequency. In other words, if you can't hear them, don't transmit - the ham bands would be much more sane if everyone did likewise. Just my not so humble opinion. 73, Don W3FPR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 (Don Wilhelm)
Don, Nice analogy. Catch and release fishing. So, you can sit quietly by the stream and wait for a rise or use a full color fish finder while trolling. I like to do both styles of fishing and both forms of radio operation. Both take skill and a knowledge of how to use the basic tools. To each his own, because the one thing we won't hold back is the rate and pace of innovation. Might as well enjoy whatever is in front you and roll with the changes. For what it is worth, at least the guy operating from a spot probably got the split set correctly via the automatic QSX features offered by many programs. Many Old Schoolers still can't get that correct (Just some levity and not a poke at anyone). I make that mistake all the time when I stumble upon a new one starting up split. 73, Todd. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-TS-990-Don-Wilhelm-tp7600124p7600132.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
The plain and simple fact is that if you have a Flex you are dependent on the computer you are running. Computer breaks, and of course they do, your off the air. SIMPLE. I read the minimum requirements to run the 6000 series. Half of the PC's in use by Hams won't cut it. Minimum, Windows Vista SP2, Dual Core 64 bit processor, Video card 256 MB memory, Direct X 10 or higher ,Net 4.0 or higher. Those are minimums. You can probably run SmartSDR with that but if it's like most software it will run like crap on it's minimum requirements. SDR's like the K3 aren't dependent on any other piece of hardware or software. You can run it and it will perform well without ever being hooked up to a PC. On 3/9/2015 1:20 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: On 2015-03-09 12:23 PM, Jim Brown posted from Michelle, W5NYV: So, If you want to talk about what the best contesting rig is, then I think you have to consider radios in a more multidimensional manner than by just comparing the equivalent of horsepower. Of which, Flex clearly seems to win. That claim hides a major blind spot. Sherwood's test numbers show that the K3 with the new synthesizer is every bit equivalent to the Flex-6000 series when one considers noise floor (MDS) (weak signal performance) and realizes that the Flex can not handle multiple very strong signals without serious blocking and compromised dynamic range due to A/D limiting. With the new synthesizer the K3 has a better MDS without a preamp than the Flex with its preamp enabled. The measured difference without a preamp on either unit is 18 dB! Even with a 20 dB preamp for the Flex (which reduces the strong signal handling capability by 20 dB and could be fatal with multiple strong signals), the Flex still has a 4 dB higher MDS (less sensitive receiver) that the updated K3 with its 10 dB preamp. So long as direct conversion SDRs have A/D limiting issues that occur at real world signal levels (e.g. on 160 meters within a few miles of 50 KW AM broadcast stations, on 40 meters in Europe with multiple strong broadcast signals in the band, etc.) the Flex SDRs simply can not be said to win any comparison of horsepower (and their user interface sucks!). 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kevin.sto...@mediacombb.net -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
I've had a Flex-1500, the Flex may be nice for some, but being tied to a PC is a huge shortcoming. It's so much easier (and quicker) to just grab a knob instead of having to use a mouse and keyboard. As for performance, The K3 is the First radio I would ever consider rating a 10. The real beauty of the K3 is the Company behind it; Flex makes a radio, Elecraft makes a Product Line. Being able to have all the various pieces work seamlessly is very slick. From: Kevin Stover kevin.sto...@mediacombb.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 The plain and simple fact is that if you have a Flex you are dependent on the computer you are running. Computer breaks, and of course they do, your off the air. SIMPLE. I read the minimum requirements to run the 6000 series. Half of the PC's in use by Hams won't cut it. Minimum, Windows Vista SP2, Dual Core 64 bit processor, Video card 256 MB memory, Direct X 10 or higher ,Net 4.0 or higher. Those are minimums. You can probably run SmartSDR with that but if it's like most software it will run like crap on it's minimum requirements. SDR's like the K3 aren't dependent on any other piece of hardware or software. You can run it and it will perform well without ever being hooked up to a PC. On 3/9/2015 1:20 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: On 2015-03-09 12:23 PM, Jim Brown posted from Michelle, W5NYV: So, If you want to talk about what the best contesting rig is, then I think you have to consider radios in a more multidimensional manner than by just comparing the equivalent of horsepower. Of which, Flex clearly seems to win. That claim hides a major blind spot. Sherwood's test numbers show that the K3 with the new synthesizer is every bit equivalent to the Flex-6000 series when one considers noise floor (MDS) (weak signal performance) and realizes that the Flex can not handle multiple very strong signals without serious blocking and compromised dynamic range due to A/D limiting. With the new synthesizer the K3 has a better MDS without a preamp than the Flex with its preamp enabled. The measured difference without a preamp on either unit is 18 dB! Even with a 20 dB preamp for the Flex (which reduces the strong signal handling capability by 20 dB and could be fatal with multiple strong signals), the Flex still has a 4 dB higher MDS (less sensitive receiver) that the updated K3 with its 10 dB preamp. So long as direct conversion SDRs have A/D limiting issues that occur at real world signal levels (e.g. on 160 meters within a few miles of 50 KW AM broadcast stations, on 40 meters in Europe with multiple strong broadcast signals in the band, etc.) the Flex SDRs simply can not be said to win any comparison of horsepower (and their user interface sucks!). 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kevin.sto...@mediacombb.net -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyin...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
Flex makes a radio, Correction - Flex makes a complex analog to digital and digital to analog converter. The ADC/DAC is *not a radio* without all the external computer hardware/software to control the ADC/DAC, process the digital data and handle conversion back to audio for the user. The computer hardware comes from any number of vendors and much of the software (PowerSDR) has been public domain. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-03-10 9:50 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: I've had a Flex-1500, the Flex may be nice for some, but being tied to a PC is a huge shortcoming. It's so much easier (and quicker) to just grab a knob instead of having to use a mouse and keyboard. As for performance, The K3 is the First radio I would ever consider rating a 10. The real beauty of the K3 is the Company behind it; Flex makes a radio, Elecraft makes a Product Line. Being able to have all the various pieces work seamlessly is very slick. From: Kevin Stover kevin.sto...@mediacombb.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 The plain and simple fact is that if you have a Flex you are dependent on the computer you are running. Computer breaks, and of course they do, your off the air. SIMPLE. I read the minimum requirements to run the 6000 series. Half of the PC's in use by Hams won't cut it. Minimum, Windows Vista SP2, Dual Core 64 bit processor, Video card 256 MB memory, Direct X 10 or higher ,Net 4.0 or higher. Those are minimums. You can probably run SmartSDR with that but if it's like most software it will run like crap on it's minimum requirements. SDR's like the K3 aren't dependent on any other piece of hardware or software. You can run it and it will perform well without ever being hooked up to a PC. On 3/9/2015 1:20 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: On 2015-03-09 12:23 PM, Jim Brown posted from Michelle, W5NYV: So, If you want to talk about what the best contesting rig is, then I think you have to consider radios in a more multidimensional manner than by just comparing the equivalent of horsepower. Of which, Flex clearly seems to win. That claim hides a major blind spot. Sherwood's test numbers show that the K3 with the new synthesizer is every bit equivalent to the Flex-6000 series when one considers noise floor (MDS) (weak signal performance) and realizes that the Flex can not handle multiple very strong signals without serious blocking and compromised dynamic range due to A/D limiting. With the new synthesizer the K3 has a better MDS without a preamp than the Flex with its preamp enabled. The measured difference without a preamp on either unit is 18 dB! Even with a 20 dB preamp for the Flex (which reduces the strong signal handling capability by 20 dB and could be fatal with multiple strong signals), the Flex still has a 4 dB higher MDS (less sensitive receiver) that the updated K3 with its 10 dB preamp. So long as direct conversion SDRs have A/D limiting issues that occur at real world signal levels (e.g. on 160 meters within a few miles of 50 KW AM broadcast stations, on 40 meters in Europe with multiple strong broadcast signals in the band, etc.) the Flex SDRs simply can not be said to win any comparison of horsepower (and their user interface sucks!). 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kevin.sto...@mediacombb.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Wes (N7WS) w...@triconet.org wrote: On the other hand, except for replacing a noisy fan, I've never had a computer hardware failure. Well, you are as rare as hen's teeth. And not only that, you announced it in public, thus notifying the world AND MURPHY that you are WAY on the undeserved side of normal experience. Prepare for an onslaught. You have wakened Smaug with your brag :) At SAS institute, where I worked for 20 years before retirement, there were some 20,000 PC's on campus. They had a PC service department of thirty-some techs, not counting supervisors, who were always busy 16 hours a day fixing/replacing some busted PC or peripheral, or upgrading one so it could keep up with more and more resource-thirsty applications. I had a 21 inch IBM branded Sony Trinitron monitor that made it until drivers for it could no longer be found for the latest version of OS. It was the ONLY PC device I had at SAS in 20 years that did not fail in some manner at some point. There is a point to the idea of not needing a PC for some operations, particularly portable ones. 73, Guy K2AV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
Interesting topic, but due to the large number of posts, and in the interest of keeping list volume reasonable for all, let's end this thread today by 2000z. ( 1 PM PDT). Also, please delete as much copied text from prior posts when replying to a thread. 1-2 sentences is more than enough to retain context in most cases. 73, Eric List Moderator and sometime COO. elecraft.com _..._ On Mar 10, 2015, at 11:09 AM, bs usb bs...@k5dkz.com wrote: My first experience with radios that require computer support was with a Pegasus. I just had to have one. Three months later I just had to sell it because I realized that reliability was compromised when more than one piece of gear was needed for a task that used to be handled by a single piece of gear alone. snip __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
This is my first reflector post in the three years that I have been a member. As one of the early adopters of the KX3 and later the PX3, I have a high regard for the excellent Elecraft customer service and quality of engineering. Whenever I am doing portable operations, I carry the KX3 along with a spare LiPO battery (e.g. Field Day or hikes). I am also the owner of a FlexRadio 6700. It is my home station rig along with the Alpha 9500. I have had the Flex for 6 months and am very pleased with it. It replaced my TenTec Orion II and functions well on many, many modes. I operate CW 98% of the time. I am delighted to be able to choose knob radios (SDR nonetheless) from Elecraft AND software HMI radios from FlexRadio. Both are excellent American ham radio firms. George, AB4FH On Mar 10, 2015, at 12:39 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Wes (N7WS) w...@triconet.org wrote: On the other hand, except for replacing a noisy fan, I've never had a computer hardware failure. Well, you are as rare as hen's teeth. And not only that, you announced it in public, thus notifying the world AND MURPHY that you are WAY on the undeserved side of normal experience. Prepare for an onslaught. You have wakened Smaug with your brag :) At SAS institute, where I worked for 20 years before retirement, there were some 20,000 PC's on campus. They had a PC service department of thirty-some techs, not counting supervisors, who were always busy 16 hours a day fixing/replacing some busted PC or peripheral, or upgrading one so it could keep up with more and more resource-thirsty applications. I had a 21 inch IBM branded Sony Trinitron monitor that made it until drivers for it could no longer be found for the latest version of OS. It was the ONLY PC device I had at SAS in 20 years that did not fail in some manner at some point. There is a point to the idea of not needing a PC for some operations, particularly portable ones. 73, Guy K2AV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to gobrie...@charter.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
First a disclaimer: I don't own a Flex radio (and it is a radio) The closest I've come is using an LP Pan on the i-f output of a K3, which I do own. But this argument is simply nonsense. If the radio breaks---they actually do you know---you're (note spelling) off the air too. And try as I might, I can't see Internet spots on my K3, nor can I use it to keep my banking records, write email, do antenna modeling, etc. For this I still need a computer. And believe it or not, that same computer is connected to my K3 and I would be lost without it. I don't want to go back to my BC-342 and crystal-controlled 6L6, which some still think are the only real radios. Time marches on...try to keep up. Wes N7WS 3/10/2015 6:04 AM, Kevin Stover wrote: The plain and simple fact is that if you have a Flex you are dependent on the computer you are running. Computer breaks, and of course they do, your (sic) off the air. SIMPLE. I read the minimum requirements to run the 6000 series. Half of the PC's in use by Hams won't cut it. Minimum, Windows Vista SP2, Dual Core 64 bit processor, Video card 256 MB memory, Direct X 10 or higher ,Net 4.0 or higher. Those are minimums. You can probably run SmartSDR with that but if it's like most software it will run like crap on it's minimum requirements. SDR's like the K3 aren't dependent on any other piece of hardware or software. You can run it and it will perform well without ever being hooked up to a PC. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
The difference, of course, is that a computer is not REQUIRED to use a K3. The Flex will not function at all without the computer, so the comments about the Flex being dependent on computer hardware are hardly nonsense. 73, Scott, N9AA On 3/10/15 10:45 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: First a disclaimer: I don't own a Flex radio (and it is a radio) The closest I've come is using an LP Pan on the i-f output of a K3, which I do own. But this argument is simply nonsense. If the radio breaks---they actually do you know---you're (note spelling) off the air too. And try as I might, I can't see Internet spots on my K3, nor can I use it to keep my banking records, write email, do antenna modeling, etc. For this I still need a computer. And believe it or not, that same computer is connected to my K3 and I would be lost without it. I don't want to go back to my BC-342 and crystal-controlled 6L6, which some still think are the only real radios. Time marches on...try to keep up. Wes N7WS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
The nonsense part is the argument that a computer can fail and leave you without a radio and a K3 never fails so you always have a radio. I wish that were the case but my K3 has failed before and my BC-342N after only sixty years of service has developed a B+ short. On the other hand, except for replacing a noisy fan, I've never had a computer hardware failure. On 3/10/2015 7:56 AM, Scott Manthe wrote: The difference, of course, is that a computer is not REQUIRED to use a K3. The Flex will not function at all without the computer, so the comments about the Flex being dependent on computer hardware are hardly nonsense. 73, Scott, N9AA On 3/10/15 10:45 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: First a disclaimer: I don't own a Flex radio (and it is a radio) The closest I've come is using an LP Pan on the i-f output of a K3, which I do own. But this argument is simply nonsense. If the radio breaks---they actually do you know---you're (note spelling) off the air too. And try as I might, I can't see Internet spots on my K3, nor can I use it to keep my banking records, write email, do antenna modeling, etc. For this I still need a computer. And believe it or not, that same computer is connected to my K3 and I would be lost without it. I don't want to go back to my BC-342 and crystal-controlled 6L6, which some still think are the only real radios. Time marches on...try to keep up. Wes N7WS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@triconet.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I'm an IT (computer) and have been one for nearly 30 years. There was a time I was hot on the whole FlexRadio game, but after a year of running one the novelty wore off. By The Way, in that year of running one I longed for conventional filters (roofing filters) From: Scott Manthe scott.man...@gmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 The difference, of course, is that a computer is not REQUIRED to use a K3. The Flex will not function at all without the computer, so the comments about the Flex being dependent on computer hardware are hardly nonsense. 73, Scott, N9AA On 3/10/15 10:45 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: First a disclaimer: I don't own a Flex radio (and it is a radio) The closest I've come is using an LP Pan on the i-f output of a K3, which I do own. But this argument is simply nonsense. If the radio breaks---they actually do you know---you're (note spelling) off the air too. And try as I might, I can't see Internet spots on my K3, nor can I use it to keep my banking records, write email, do antenna modeling, etc. For this I still need a computer. And believe it or not, that same computer is connected to my K3 and I would be lost without it. I don't want to go back to my BC-342 and crystal-controlled 6L6, which some still think are the only real radios. Time marches on...try to keep up. Wes N7WS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyin...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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You can't see Internet spots or balance your checkbook or read the Elecraft reflector and run that radio at the same time. I guarantee it. Soyou get to buy a top of the line high performance PC to run your radio. I find it interesting that nowhere that I've seen does Flex give a minimum requirement for om-board memory. I had a Polycom salesman try that while selling us an H.323 video conferencing system. I couldn't get the man to tell me exactly how much of my T1 connection to home office in Green Bay was going to be used for our daily teleconference. Finally got a ridiculous number out of him (256 Kb/s). The truth was 3X that much, half my T1 while trying to send real time data to GB. Now I always multiple minimum retirements by threefour if it's Microsoft, Cisco, or Polycom. Windows 7 and Vista need 4G of memory to run well. There is a difference between running well and running. How much memory does SmartSDR require to run well? I couldn't find it but I couldn't spend an hour looking. That number isn't a sales bullet point on the Flex website. H, makes me wonder. Maybe it's just me. After a long day of dealing with the machinations of MS, IBM, VM Ware, Cisco, Barracuda, Dell and HP, all day along with 700 users who sometimes I'm convinced are UN-trainable, All I want to do is lay my hands on a radio, even though I know it's mostly firmware, and not another keyboard. On 3/10/2015 9:45 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: And try as I might, I can't see Internet spots on my K3, nor can I use it to keep my banking records, write email, do antenna modeling, etc. For this I still need a computer. And believe it or not, that same computer is connected to my K3 and I would be lost without it. I don't want to go back to my BC-342 and crystal-controlled 6L6, which some still think are the only real radios. Time marches on...try to keep up. Wes N7WS -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Ok - We are now well past the posted closing time for this thread, due to the large number of postings. Thread is now closed. 73, Eric List moderator elecraft.com _..._ On Mar 10, 2015, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Stover kevin.sto...@mediacombb.net wrote: You can't see Internet spots or balance your checkbook or read the Elecraft reflector and run that radio at the same time. I guarantee it. Soyou get to buy a top of the line high performance PC to run your radio. I find it interesting that nowhere that I've seen does Flex give a minimum requirement for om-board memory. I had a Polycom salesman try that while selling us an H.323 video conferencing system. I couldn't get the man to tell me exactly how much of my T1 connection to home office in Green Bay was going to be used for our daily teleconference. Finally got a ridiculous number out of him (256 Kb/s). The truth was 3X that much, half my T1 while trying to send real time data to GB. Now I always multiple minimum retirements by threefour if it's Microsoft, Cisco, or Polycom. Windows 7 and Vista need 4G of memory to run well. There is a difference between running well and running. How much memory does SmartSDR require to run well? I couldn't find it but I couldn't spend an hour looking. That number isn't a sales bullet point on the Flex website. H, makes me wonder. Maybe it's just me. After a long day of dealing with the machinations of MS, IBM, VM Ware, Cisco, Barracuda, Dell and HP, all day along with 700 users who sometimes I'm convinced are UN-trainable, All I want to do is lay my hands on a radio, even though I know it's mostly firmware, and not another keyboard. On 3/10/2015 9:45 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: And try as I might, I can't see Internet spots on my K3, nor can I use it to keep my banking records, write email, do antenna modeling, etc. For this I still need a computer. And believe it or not, that same computer is connected to my K3 and I would be lost without it. I don't want to go back to my BC-342 and crystal-controlled 6L6, which some still think are the only real radios. Time marches on...try to keep up. Wes N7WS -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to elist_c...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I am old school. Yes, I have a 6 core AMD computer with 8GB of memory dedicated to the ham station, but I do not use it a lot for rig control - its main use right now is to give me a panadapter display, but that part will soon be replaced by a P3. I still paper log, and automated spots do not excite me - I can bring up the spots on the computer and then dial the K3 to that frequency should I be so inclined. It causes me to think about what I am doing in the hamshack. Those hams who arbitrarily click on spots do not excite me. I prefer to hear the DX first rather than just transmitting without regard to others just because a spot says there is something of interest at that frequency. In other words, if you can't hear them, don't transmit - the ham bands would be much more sane if everyone did likewise. Just my not so humble opinion. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/10/2015 7:17 PM, Kevin Stover wrote: You can't see Internet spots or balance your checkbook or read the Elecraft reflector and run that radio at the same time. I guarantee it. Soyou get to buy a top of the line high performance PC to run your radio. I find it interesting that nowhere that I've seen does Flex give a minimum requirement for om-board memory. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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My goodness! So, now a Flex is nothing more than an expensive sound card? I wonder what happens when the K3 CPU goes squirrely, or the FP LCD has an issue. Or a software upload/upgrade causes the K3 to brick itself? Or a FP switch/button/control goes bad? I've seen these issues on the reflectors before, and just as bad as a computer problem. Maybe worse, as the K3 hardware is not necessarily off-the-shelf, and software source not available. Elecraft does a GREAT job to offset these problems, but shipping stuff across the country takes longer than going to the local Best Buy/Staples/local computer store. Hey Joe, you still watching NTSC television as well? Or is that black and white KoolAid still in control? I've got a K3/P3/SVGA, a KX3, a Flex 6700, an SDR-1000, an openHPSDR rig, an SDR-IQ, an SDR Cube, a HiQSDR, an STM32SDR, and several SoftRocks. And an FT-817. I like them ALL! My main rig is the K3, it works really, really well. I LOVE IT! The KX3 sees portable operation. The Flex allows me to see multiple bands at once, and/or more of one band than the K3/P3 does. The Flex 6x00 is also becoming a much more integrated digital radio, thanks to keeping ALL the demod sampling as digital, as it interfaces with FLDIGI, etc... programs. The K3 must still use analog audio interfacing, unless you use the internal decoder/encoder. Couldn't one argue therefore that the K3 is only an analog radio, based on this one weaklink? I am certainly NOT doing that, but it's as ridiculous as saying the Flex is NOT a radio. The Flex 6x00 series actually uses the newerSmartSDR software, that source is not publicly available. The older PowerSDR did have its source code available. Can you get the source code for the K3 or KX3? Not that I'd ever want Elecraft to do that! NO But, that's another point that Flex had. With the new synth, Elecraft just proved that their already wonderful radio CAN BE significantly improved. Congrats to them! Good Job! I love seeing an improvement like that, regardless of the platform. Elecraft is paying attention to both its hardware AND software/firmware. I SEE NO REASON TO TRASH ONE TYPE OF RIG FOR ANOTHER. Those that disparage one brand over another are likely insecure with their prior purchase decisions. Over the last two decades or so, it was Yaesu vs Kenwood vs Icom. At least now it's one SDR versus another. YES, the K3 IS generally considered an SDR, even by the original K3 software engineer. How about giving this product bashing a rest fellows? Implying a Flex is not a radio is just going too far. It shows personal bias and thick-headedness to the extreme. And BTW, there's this new thing called Cable TV, and some future stuff called streaming video that may impact OTA TV. I'm keeping an eye on these new technologies as well, even though I've spent over 30 years as a broadcast TV engineer - and corporate engineering director, responsible for only 23 OTA TV stations throughout the country (including during the DTV transition). Before I saw the handwriting and retired. 73, Terry, WB4JFI (now N4TLF) -Original Message- From: Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:18 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 Flex makes a radio, Correction - Flex makes a complex analog to digital and digital to analog converter. The ADC/DAC is *not a radio* without all the external computer hardware/software to control the ADC/DAC, process the digital data and handle conversion back to audio for the user. The computer hardware comes from any number of vendors and much of the software (PowerSDR) has been public domain. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-03-10 9:50 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: I've had a Flex-1500, the Flex may be nice for some, but being tied to a PC is a huge shortcoming. It's so much easier (and quicker) to just grab a knob instead of having to use a mouse and keyboard. As for performance, The K3 is the First radio I would ever consider rating a 10. The real beauty of the K3 is the Company behind it; Flex makes a radio, Elecraft makes a Product Line. Being able to have all the various pieces work seamlessly is very slick. From: Kevin Stover kevin.sto...@mediacombb.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 The plain and simple fact is that if you have a Flex you are dependent on the computer you are running. Computer breaks, and of course they do, your off the air. SIMPLE. I read the minimum requirements to run the 6000 series. Half of the PC's in use by Hams won't cut it. Minimum, Windows Vista SP2, Dual Core 64 bit processor, Video card 256 MB memory, Direct X 10 or higher ,Net 4.0 or higher. Those are minimums. You can probably run SmartSDR with that but if it's like most software it will run like crap on it's minimum requirements. SDR's like the K3 aren't
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(Sorry Eric, I did not see your closing of this topic because I was typing my response) -Original Message- From: wb4...@knology.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:52 PM To: Joe Subich, W4TV ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 My goodness! So, now a Flex is nothing more than an expensive sound card? I wonder what happens when the K3 CPU goes squirrely, or the FP LCD has an issue. Or a software upload/upgrade causes the K3 to brick itself? Or a FP switch/button/control goes bad? I've seen these issues on the reflectors before, and just as bad as a computer problem. Maybe worse, as the K3 hardware is not necessarily off-the-shelf, and software source not available. Elecraft does a GREAT job to offset these problems, but shipping stuff across the country takes longer than going to the local Best Buy/Staples/local computer store. Hey Joe, you still watching NTSC television as well? Or is that black and white KoolAid still in control? I've got a K3/P3/SVGA, a KX3, a Flex 6700, an SDR-1000, an openHPSDR rig, an SDR-IQ, an SDR Cube, a HiQSDR, an STM32SDR, and several SoftRocks. And an FT-817. I like them ALL! My main rig is the K3, it works really, really well. I LOVE IT! The KX3 sees portable operation. The Flex allows me to see multiple bands at once, and/or more of one band than the K3/P3 does. The Flex 6x00 is also becoming a much more integrated digital radio, thanks to keeping ALL the demod sampling as digital, as it interfaces with FLDIGI, etc... programs. The K3 must still use analog audio interfacing, unless you use the internal decoder/encoder. Couldn't one argue therefore that the K3 is only an analog radio, based on this one weaklink? I am certainly NOT doing that, but it's as ridiculous as saying the Flex is NOT a radio. The Flex 6x00 series actually uses the newerSmartSDR software, that source is not publicly available. The older PowerSDR did have its source code available. Can you get the source code for the K3 or KX3? Not that I'd ever want Elecraft to do that! NO But, that's another point that Flex had. With the new synth, Elecraft just proved that their already wonderful radio CAN BE significantly improved. Congrats to them! Good Job! I love seeing an improvement like that, regardless of the platform. Elecraft is paying attention to both its hardware AND software/firmware. I SEE NO REASON TO TRASH ONE TYPE OF RIG FOR ANOTHER. Those that disparage one brand over another are likely insecure with their prior purchase decisions. Over the last two decades or so, it was Yaesu vs Kenwood vs Icom. At least now it's one SDR versus another. YES, the K3 IS generally considered an SDR, even by the original K3 software engineer. How about giving this product bashing a rest fellows? Implying a Flex is not a radio is just going too far. It shows personal bias and thick-headedness to the extreme. And BTW, there's this new thing called Cable TV, and some future stuff called streaming video that may impact OTA TV. I'm keeping an eye on these new technologies as well, even though I've spent over 30 years as a broadcast TV engineer - and corporate engineering director, responsible for only 23 OTA TV stations throughout the country (including during the DTV transition). Before I saw the handwriting and retired. 73, Terry, WB4JFI (now N4TLF) -Original Message- From: Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:18 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 Flex makes a radio, Correction - Flex makes a complex analog to digital and digital to analog converter. The ADC/DAC is *not a radio* without all the external computer hardware/software to control the ADC/DAC, process the digital data and handle conversion back to audio for the user. The computer hardware comes from any number of vendors and much of the software (PowerSDR) has been public domain. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-03-10 9:50 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: I've had a Flex-1500, the Flex may be nice for some, but being tied to a PC is a huge shortcoming. It's so much easier (and quicker) to just grab a knob instead of having to use a mouse and keyboard. As for performance, The K3 is the First radio I would ever consider rating a 10. The real beauty of the K3 is the Company behind it; Flex makes a radio, Elecraft makes a Product Line. Being able to have all the various pieces work seamlessly is very slick. From: Kevin Stover kevin.sto...@mediacombb.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 The plain and simple fact is that if you have a Flex you are dependent on the computer you are running. Computer breaks, and of course they do, your off the air. SIMPLE. I read the minimum requirements to run the 6000 series. Half of the PC's in use by Hams won't cut it. Minimum, Windows Vista SP2, Dual Core 64 bit processor, Video card 256 MB memory
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On Sun,3/8/2015 8:47 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: Has anyone other than me ever noted that Rob Sherwood doesn't own a K3? His #1 operating position has an IC781 and #2 is a TS-990. Here's part of an exchange re: the obvious superiority of the new generation of Flex radios. The initial comments are from Howard, VE3GFW, ex-KY6LA, who doesn't operate much, hates CW, and loves SDRs. FYI. here is a comment from one of the most accomplished RF engineers I know.. Michelle Easton W5NYV... Frankly I have to agree with her.. why are you and Dennis so stuck back in the 20^th Century trying to keep legacy technology alive when SDR's are now the new baseline I'm just amazed this is even still being debated. Thanks for including me in all of these conversations, it's certainly illuminating. I must live in a bubble, because my tech circle assumes SDRs as a baseline. -Michelle W5NYV I responded: Michelle may be a great engineer, but few of us know everything there is to know about everything. Does she OPERATE HF? Does she know what HF operators need? Does she design stuff with Pin One Problems? Does she know what a Pin One Problem is? Do YOU? What kind of operating do YOU do? I don't give a rat's ass about new technologies and the latest fads. I am both an engineer and an OPERATOR. I choose a radio that gives me the performance and the functions I need, and at a price I can afford. The K3s are my current choice. It is NOT a religious decision. Before that it was FT1000MPs, before that TS850s, before that a K2. Based on what I see of the performance and features of the current crop of SDRs, none are even close to offering what the K3 does. Someday that will change, and when it does, I may buy one -- if I'm not in hospice by then. I drive a big Toyota SUV because I need to haul stuff. I convinced my wife to buy a Prius because she doesn't. I have a modest music listening system, but a monster library of music on LP, CD, and DVD. As last count, 3,000 LPs, 4,000 CDs, and about 150 DVDs. I worked in pro audio, and for most of my professional life, people asked me about whatever the latest and greatest was. My advice, then and now, is to save their money and buy music by Prez, Billie, Pops, and Desmond. It is NOT about technologies. = = = = = = = And Michelle responded: K3s are great. Any solution in ham radio that makes the operator happy, and therefore leads to them being more efficient and achieving higher scores, is the optimum solution, for that ham, for that application. There is an assmption here of an objective ideal in terms of operating in contests. I don't think this assumption should go unquestioned. What works for one set of operators is not guaranteed to work for another. I use SDRs for (non-human-involved) cognitive radio research, and in experiments with new modulation schemes, for which they are absolutely necessary. I have a Flex, USRPs, boxes of HPSDRs, a BladeRF, a HackRF, and about a half dozen other custom boards and implementations in FPGA. I don't even consider legacy radios, outside of where I must have a simple cheap solution to radio sensor data back home (such as RFID). I'm an SDR zealot. I prefer the K3 for contesting due to a delightful user interface, portability, and durability. All of these radios under discussion are so far above what I would consider to be the performance cutoff for contesting, one should choose based on the remaining highest nail - the UI, or whatever else the situation demands. The Flex is an undisputed lab queen and is objectively the best in terms of stats. But we took K3s to the Cook Islands and Raro. If I go on another DXpedition, it probably won't be with a Flex. Not that I'm generally choosing - I'm a junior member of the DXpedition teams that invite me. I contest for fun, but I've put in enough hours with the local club to know that I'm not rig-limited. I know for a fact that I'd have to contest a lot more for the rigs I use to start limiting my scores, instead of my skill level limiting my scores. The Flex doesn't make me any better of an operator than the K3 or the 756Pro2. They all can have the killer app of panoramic display, which I depend upon. They are all easy enough to switch bands on. Above that, I'd need to put in so much more seat time in order for the Flex to start making a difference, and I just don't have that much time to devote to contesting. I have raced cars. If the objective measurements of transceiver performance can be likened to horsepower, then you obviously need a car with enough horsepower to compete. But if you pick a car based solely on this one axis, then you may end up backing a Corvette that fails to negotiate the twisty road, while the half-your-horsepower Porsche eats your lunch. Conversely, the Porshe will lose in the straightaway to the Corvette. Suspension, gearing, steering, track type, race format - etc. are are equivalent in importance to
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This is a thread from June 2013 that was closed by Eric -- in 2013. What gives? Joe N1QD On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: On Sun,3/8/2015 8:47 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: Has anyone other than me ever noted that Rob Sherwood doesn't own a K3? His #1 operating position has an IC781 and #2 is a TS-990. Here's part of an exchange re: the obvious superiority of the new generation of Flex radios. The initial comments are from Howard, VE3GFW, ex-KY6LA, who doesn't operate much, hates CW, and loves SDRs. FYI. here is a comment from one of the most accomplished RF engineers I know.. Michelle Easton W5NYV... Frankly I have to agree with her.. why are you and Dennis so stuck back in the 20^th Century trying to keep legacy technology alive when SDR's are now the new baseline I'm just amazed this is even still being debated. Thanks for including me in all of these conversations, it's certainly illuminating. I must live in a bubble, because my tech circle assumes SDRs as a baseline. -Michelle W5NYV I responded: Michelle may be a great engineer, but few of us know everything there is to know about everything. Does she OPERATE HF? Does she know what HF operators need? Does she design stuff with Pin One Problems? Does she know what a Pin One Problem is? Do YOU? What kind of operating do YOU do? I don't give a rat's ass about new technologies and the latest fads. I am both an engineer and an OPERATOR. I choose a radio that gives me the performance and the functions I need, and at a price I can afford. The K3s are my current choice. It is NOT a religious decision. Before that it was FT1000MPs, before that TS850s, before that a K2. Based on what I see of the performance and features of the current crop of SDRs, none are even close to offering what the K3 does. Someday that will change, and when it does, I may buy one -- if I'm not in hospice by then. I drive a big Toyota SUV because I need to haul stuff. I convinced my wife to buy a Prius because she doesn't. I have a modest music listening system, but a monster library of music on LP, CD, and DVD. As last count, 3,000 LPs, 4,000 CDs, and about 150 DVDs. I worked in pro audio, and for most of my professional life, people asked me about whatever the latest and greatest was. My advice, then and now, is to save their money and buy music by Prez, Billie, Pops, and Desmond. It is NOT about technologies. = = = = = = = And Michelle responded: K3s are great. Any solution in ham radio that makes the operator happy, and therefore leads to them being more efficient and achieving higher scores, is the optimum solution, for that ham, for that application. There is an assmption here of an objective ideal in terms of operating in contests. I don't think this assumption should go unquestioned. What works for one set of operators is not guaranteed to work for another. I use SDRs for (non-human-involved) cognitive radio research, and in experiments with new modulation schemes, for which they are absolutely necessary. I have a Flex, USRPs, boxes of HPSDRs, a BladeRF, a HackRF, and about a half dozen other custom boards and implementations in FPGA. I don't even consider legacy radios, outside of where I must have a simple cheap solution to radio sensor data back home (such as RFID). I'm an SDR zealot. I prefer the K3 for contesting due to a delightful user interface, portability, and durability. All of these radios under discussion are so far above what I would consider to be the performance cutoff for contesting, one should choose based on the remaining highest nail - the UI, or whatever else the situation demands. The Flex is an undisputed lab queen and is objectively the best in terms of stats. But we took K3s to the Cook Islands and Raro. If I go on another DXpedition, it probably won't be with a Flex. Not that I'm generally choosing - I'm a junior member of the DXpedition teams that invite me. I contest for fun, but I've put in enough hours with the local club to know that I'm not rig-limited. I know for a fact that I'd have to contest a lot more for the rigs I use to start limiting my scores, instead of my skill level limiting my scores. The Flex doesn't make me any better of an operator than the K3 or the 756Pro2. They all can have the killer app of panoramic display, which I depend upon. They are all easy enough to switch bands on. Above that, I'd need to put in so much more seat time in order for the Flex to start making a difference, and I just don't have that much time to devote to contesting. I have raced cars. If the objective measurements of transceiver performance can be likened to horsepower, then you obviously need a car with enough horsepower to compete. But if you pick a car based solely on this one axis, then you may end up backing a Corvette that fails to negotiate the twisty road, while the
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
On 2015-03-09 12:23 PM, Jim Brown posted from Michelle, W5NYV: So, If you want to talk about what the best contesting rig is, then I think you have to consider radios in a more multidimensional manner than by just comparing the equivalent of horsepower. Of which, Flex clearly seems to win. That claim hides a major blind spot. Sherwood's test numbers show that the K3 with the new synthesizer is every bit equivalent to the Flex-6000 series when one considers noise floor (MDS) (weak signal performance) and realizes that the Flex can not handle multiple very strong signals without serious blocking and compromised dynamic range due to A/D limiting. With the new synthesizer the K3 has a better MDS without a preamp than the Flex with its preamp enabled. The measured difference without a preamp on either unit is 18 dB! Even with a 20 dB preamp for the Flex (which reduces the strong signal handling capability by 20 dB and could be fatal with multiple strong signals), the Flex still has a 4 dB higher MDS (less sensitive receiver) that the updated K3 with its 10 dB preamp. So long as direct conversion SDRs have A/D limiting issues that occur at real world signal levels (e.g. on 160 meters within a few miles of 50 KW AM broadcast stations, on 40 meters in Europe with multiple strong broadcast signals in the band, etc.) the Flex SDRs simply can not be said to win any comparison of horsepower (and their user interface sucks!). 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
On Mon,3/9/2015 11:09 AM, Joe Harris wrote: This is a thread from June 2013 that was closed by Eric -- in 2013. What gives? Sorry -- after posting, I realized that Thunderbird had somehow kicked me back a couple of years. I must have fat-fingered something. :) That said, I think my post was pretty relevant to the current discussion about numbers. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Wed,6/5/2013 11:18 AM, Rick Wheeler wrote: Yes, Kenwood, Icom, and Yaesu do make fine transceivers, I don't agree with that statement at all. Objective measurements by ARRL Labs and by Rob Sherwood show that these radios are NOT fine transceivers. Most of them don't HEAR as well as a K3 (there are a few exceptions), and all of them are DIRTIER than a K3, many of them a LOT dirtier. Caps added for emphasis. Even the new Flex 6300 and 6700, which ARRL just reviewed and praised for its low phase noise and excellent keying are MUCH dirtier on CW than a K3. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
Really? There is more to a fine transceiver than one or two numbers. Has anyone other than me ever noted that Rob Sherwood doesn't own a K3? His #1 operating position has an IC781 and #2 is a TS-990. Wes N7WS On 3/8/2015 4:48 PM, Jim Brown wrote: I don't agree with that statement at all. Objective measurements by ARRL Labs and by Rob Sherwood show that these radios are NOT fine transceivers. Most of them don't HEAR as well as a K3 (there are a few exceptions), and all of them are DIRTIER than a K3, many of them a LOT dirtier. Caps added for emphasis. Even the new Flex 6300 and 6700, which ARRL just reviewed and praised for its low phase noise and excellent keying are MUCH dirtier on CW than a K3. 73, Jim K9YC __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
I am not sure why happy K3 owners want to keep trying to ridicule the TS990. I am a happy K3 owner and have been for over four years. I am also a happy owner of a TS590, and TS2000. Now I am a happy owner of a TS990. Despite the critical comments regarding its size and the Rob Sherwood numbers, it is a magnificent piece of equipment with certainly more and/or more convenient facilities than the K3. In practice, there is no material difference between being able to receive signals on the TS990, TS590 and K3. I bought it because I like Kenwood as well as Elecraft and I have had great past experience with previous Kenwood rigs including the TS930. The visual appearance and ergonomics appealed to me as well as the functions and facilities and I have not been disappointed. So there you are guys - it's horses for courses. I have four rigs and will be keeping and using them all. So please give some thought before making critical and sarcastic comments about competitors' equipment that you have not used. I have not seen any similar type of comments on Kenwood reflectors regarding Elecraft equipment. I also have a KPA500 and KAT500 and previously built a K2. 73 Barry Simpson VK2BH On 4 June 2013 14:40, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote: I saw a TS-990 at the SeaPac hamfest this last Saturday. It is an absolutely huge beast of a radio. I think the largest modern rig I have ever seen and maybe larger than any amateur transceiver ever built (maybe). Looking at the better performing K3 in size and simplicity compared to the beast TS-990, the K3 is truly an elegant radio. 73, phil, K7PEH On Jun 3, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Fred Smith m...@mo-net.com wrote: Interesting we now can see where all the money went..into the knobs 8). I bet some wish they would have waited, a fully loaded K3 is a lot less money and look at the performance. 73, Fred/N0AZZ K3 Ser #'s 6730/5299--KX3 # 2573--K2/100--KAT100 P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Locher Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 1:54 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] TS-990 I see that the TS990 has been reviewed by Rob Sherwood at: http://www.sherweng.com/table.html Interesting reading! Cheers/73 Bob W9KNI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6379 - Release Date: 06/03/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6379 - Release Date: 06/03/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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The weight of rigs from Japan has more to do with the choice of steel for the chassis instead of aluminum, and certainly the size of the TS-990 is the right size for many people. But another observation is that when you look at the schematic diagrams of Japanese rigs they are unbelievably complicated. There are easily ten times as many paths, components, connectors, and devices as the typical American rig, making it extremely difficult to follow signal flow on these enormously dense circuits. When I first obtained an Elecraft K2, I couldn't believe how simple it was. The schematic looked pretty much like the occasional homebrew transceiver you see in QST, and yet the specs were every bit as good as Japanese rigs costing (and weighing) way more. I have always wondered whether Japanese transceivers are way over-engineered-- and thus more expensive, heavier, and larger-- than they have to be. Al W6LX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
While this thread is getting a little long in the tooth, Al brings up some very interesting points. Yes, Kenwood, Icom, and Yaesu do make fine transceivers, but it does seem the Elecraft rigs perform as well and better in many cases with simpler schematics. Me, far from being an electronics guru, would like to have someone offer up an explanation as to if Elecraft rigs are indeed simpler generally and if so why they perform as well or better in many cases. Hurry though, I think this thread is due to be shut down soon! Rick K4LX K2 #2005 From: Al Lorona alor...@sbcglobal.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 The weight of rigs from Japan has more to do with the choice of steel for the chassis instead of aluminum, and certainly the size of the TS-990 is the right size for many people. But another observation is that when you look at the schematic diagrams of Japanese rigs they are unbelievably complicated. There are easily ten times as many paths, components, connectors, and devices as the typical American rig, making it extremely difficult to follow signal flow on these enormously dense circuits. When I first obtained an Elecraft K2, I couldn't believe how simple it was. The schematic looked pretty much like the occasional homebrew transceiver you see in QST, and yet the specs were every bit as good as Japanese rigs costing (and weighing) way more. I have always wondered whether Japanese transceivers are way over-engineered-- and thus more expensive, heavier, and larger-- than they have to be. Al W6LX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Rick I agree with you on this thread being drawn out, and should go quietly to the curb. However, you have brought up a very valid question about Elecraft simple but effective products. I think you should start another thread with your question as the heading. It would be interesting to hear other views and opinions on why such a simple radio stands head and shoulders with the back breaking behemoths that end up on some desks. (((73))) Milverton. From: Rick Wheeler i...@omalley.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 While this thread is getting a little long in the tooth, Al brings up some very interesting points. Yes, Kenwood, Icom, and Yaesu do make fine transceivers, but it does seem the Elecraft rigs perform as well and better in many cases with simpler schematics. Me, far from being an electronics guru, would like to have someone offer up an explanation as to if Elecraft rigs are indeed simpler generally and if so why they perform as well or better in many cases. Hurry though, I think this thread is due to be shut down soon! Rick K4LX K2 #2005 From: Al Lorona alor...@sbcglobal.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 The weight of rigs from Japan has more to do with the choice of steel for the chassis instead of aluminum, and certainly the size of the TS-990 is the right size for many people. But another observation is that when you look at the schematic diagrams of Japanese rigs they are unbelievably complicated. There are easily ten times as many paths, components, connectors, and devices as the typical American rig, making it extremely difficult to follow signal flow on these enormously dense circuits. When I first obtained an Elecraft K2, I couldn't believe how simple it was. The schematic looked pretty much like the occasional homebrew transceiver you see in QST, and yet the specs were every bit as good as Japanese rigs costing (and weighing) way more. I have always wondered whether Japanese transceivers are way over-engineered-- and thus more expensive, heavier, and larger-- than they have to be. Al W6LX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
Rick Wheeler-2 wrote Me, far from being an electronics guru, would like to have someone offer up an explanation as to if Elecraft rigs are indeed simpler generally and if so why they perform as well or better in many cases. In my opinion, it's because Elecraft is more tuned in to users. Elecraft's owners and many of their staff are active hams. They also directly monitor lists such as this one for user input (and respond accordingly). Elegant simplicity of design focused on real user needs is always a winning combination (e.g. Apple comes to mind). Kenwood came closest to this with the TS-930S but lost their way with succeeding models (although the TS-590S is a nice step in the right direction). 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/TS-990-tp7574707p7574766.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
I was very surprised at the fact that the TS-990 didn't place higher in the Sherwood ratings. I would have thought that it would have been on par with the FTDX-5000. However, for those who abhor menus, the 990 may be the answer to your prayers. With that many front-panel controls, I'd be surprised if there are any menus involved. Although the service centers for Yaesu and Kenwood are convenient to my location, as is Elecraft, I think I'll stay with Elecraft because of their excellent product support. 73 de Jim - AD6CW On 6/5/2013 2:18 PM, Rick Wheeler wrote: While this thread is getting a little long in the tooth, Al brings up some very interesting points. Yes, Kenwood, Icom, and Yaesu do make fine transceivers, but it does seem the Elecraft rigs perform as well and better in many cases with simpler schematics. Me, far from being an electronics guru, would like to have someone offer up an explanation as to if Elecraft rigs are indeed simpler generally and if so why they perform as well or better in many cases. Hurry though, I think this thread is due to be shut down soon! Rick K4LX K2 #2005 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
I saw a TS-990 at the SeaPac hamfest this last Saturday. It is an absolutely huge beast of a radio. I think the largest modern rig I have ever seen and maybe larger than any amateur transceiver ever built (maybe). Looking at the better performing K3 in size and simplicity compared to the beast TS-990, the K3 is truly an elegant radio. 73, phil, K7PEH On Jun 3, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Fred Smith m...@mo-net.com wrote: Interesting we now can see where all the money went..into the knobs 8). I bet some wish they would have waited, a fully loaded K3 is a lot less money and look at the performance. 73, Fred/N0AZZ K3 Ser #'s 6730/5299--KX3 # 2573--K2/100--KAT100 P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Locher Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 1:54 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] TS-990 I see that the TS990 has been reviewed by Rob Sherwood at: http://www.sherweng.com/table.html Interesting reading! Cheers/73 Bob W9KNI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6379 - Release Date: 06/03/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6379 - Release Date: 06/03/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] TS-990
I see that the TS990 has been reviewed by Rob Sherwood at: http://www.sherweng.com/table.html Interesting reading! Cheers/73 Bob W9KNI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
Interesting we now can see where all the money went..into the knobs 8). I bet some wish they would have waited, a fully loaded K3 is a lot less money and look at the performance. 73, Fred/N0AZZ K3 Ser #'s 6730/5299--KX3 # 2573--K2/100--KAT100 P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Locher Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 1:54 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] TS-990 I see that the TS990 has been reviewed by Rob Sherwood at: http://www.sherweng.com/table.html Interesting reading! Cheers/73 Bob W9KNI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6379 - Release Date: 06/03/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6379 - Release Date: 06/03/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990
I was admiring one at the HRO recently. The rig is huge. Definitely a modern boat anchor. Would be tough to bring on a DXpedition. It sure is big and confusing looking. The touch screen Panadapter was pretty fun to play with though. I liked that feature. Keith AK6ZZ Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos On Jun 3, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Fred Smith m...@mo-net.com wrote: Interesting we now can see where all the money went..into the knobs 8). I bet some wish they would have waited, a fully loaded K3 is a lot less money and look at the performance. 73, Fred/N0AZZ K3 Ser #'s 6730/5299--KX3 # 2573--K2/100--KAT100 P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Locher Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 1:54 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] TS-990 I see that the TS990 has been reviewed by Rob Sherwood at: http://www.sherweng.com/table.html Interesting reading! Cheers/73 Bob W9KNI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6379 - Release Date: 06/03/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6379 - Release Date: 06/03/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 Review
Hi All, There is a Pert Hart full review in the June 2013 RadCom. 73 Tim gm4lmh __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 Review
While that's nice to know, most of us are not subscribers to RadCom, and those who are will already be aware of this. Can you impart any of Mr. Hart's relevant findings to the list? 73, Scott, N9AA On 5/23/13 12:05 PM, Tim wrote: Hi All, There is a Pert Hart full review in the June 2013 RadCom. 73 Tim gm4lmh __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] TS-990 Review
The Radcom review by Peter Hart is reproduced on Kenwood's UK website: http://www.kenwood-electronics.co.uk/WebFiles/File/uk/download/Technolo gies/RadCom_June13-TS990S.pdf 73 from Ian GM3SEK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
