RE: CE Marking of Shipping Cartons
The follows text are from RTTE annex VII 3. The CE marking must be affixed to the product or to its data plate. Additionally it must be affixed to the packaging, if any, and to the accompanying documents. In my esperience is better have CE mark on the carton also to not oblige the autority to open the box for see if a goods have the CE marks or not. I Italy customs is the first barrier and have the autority to stop a unmarked goods. Ciao Paolo _ Paolo Gemma Siemens Mobile Communications S.p.A. SMC PG MW ST EMC Safety SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de' Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6375 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@siemens.com _ From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com] Sent: giovedì 20 novembre 2003 14.46 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: CE Marking of Shipping Cartons There are some in my company that believe the shipping cartons containing our products should be CE marked to simplify customs processing especially with the addition of the new member states in May 2004. Others feel that the marking provides no added value to the customs processing procedure. So, the question is what are the customs officials looking for in the way of CE conformity and what process will best supply that information. In particular, is there any value added in CE marking the shipping cartons? Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: coax grounding of E3/DS3 in the EU
Look on the last version of ITU-T G.703. IN this the clause to isolate the RX side was deleted. Bye Paolo _ Paolo Gemma Siemens Mobile Communications S.p.A. PG MW ST EMC Safety SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de' Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6203 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it _ -Original Message- From: pfitzgib...@attbi.com [mailto:pfitzgib...@attbi.com] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 8:00 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: coax grounding of E3/DS3 in the EU Greetings all, I have a general question about E3/DS-3 in the EU. I have heard that it is no longer necessary to isolate one of the two Tx/Rx coax ports but can't find a definite answer. I'd like to know if I can directly tie both the TX and RX ports to chassis for intrabuilding only CO lines. This would make EMI/EMC much easier to pass and would get rid of the special AC coupling that would otherwise be necessary. The only reason that I could ever understand for the DC isolation requirements that used to be in place was to prevent ground connections in IBN CO's or to eliminate current on the shields due to differences in earth potential between buildings. As neither of these really apply, I really don't see why it should still be necessary to provide the DC isolation (I have only intrabuilding lines and most CO's are now CBN installations). Does anyone know what the current status on this is? Thanks, Patrick --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface
EN 60950 is a harmonized safety standard also for RTTE. For the RTTE is a manufacturer choice to use the old LVD and EMCD rule to certify the safety and EMC requirement or the new rule of RTTE (annex II, III, IV or IV). Ciao Paolo _ Paolo Gemma Siemens Mobile Communications S.p.A. PG MW ST EMC Safety SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de' Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6203 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it _ -Original Message- From: Peter Merguerian [mailto:pmerguer...@itl.co.il] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:33 PM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Dear All, For an equipment where the E1 has been assessed for SELV under EN 60 950 (ie for intrabuilding use and not subject to overvoltages), does the equipment fall under the RTTE Directive or can the manufacturer declare compliance to the LVD and EMC Directives. If under the RTTE Directive, what telecom standard applies to the E1 intrabuilding interface? This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: + 972-(0)3-5339022 Fax: + 972-(0)3-5339019 Mobile: + 972-(0)54-838175 http://www.itl.co.il http://www.i-spec.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: RTTE and video out
This equipment isn't a radio transmitter and also is not a terminal so is outside the RTTE. Ciao Paolo At 12:12 3/13/02 +0100, Roger Magnuson wrote: Don't think so as the equipment is using the antenna cable. As VCRs are not radio terminals this can't be either. Roger Magnuson TGC Communication AB Sweden -Original Message- From: treg-appro...@world.std.com [mailto:treg-appro...@world.std.com]On Behalf Of Kim Boll Jensen Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:49 AM To: EMC-PSTC; treg Subject: RTTE and video out Hi all I have an equipment which can convert audio and video (phono connector) signal from a PC to a normal HF antenna signal which can be transmitted though a normal antenna cable in the house to your radio and TV sets. The voltage of the HF signal is the same as normal received from an antenna. Does this product fall under the RTTE directive ? According to my interpretation the definitions in art. 2 c) and d) say that it has to be used for TX to be under this directive. What do you think ? Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark -- Paolo Gemma Siemens Information and Communication Network spa Microwave Networks MW RD NSA EMC SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de'Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6203 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it --
Re: RTTE DoC Philosophy Question
Both solution are valid. In the RTTE you can find an article said that at your choice you can demonstrate the conformity to the essential requirements 3.1b using the procedure of the EMC directive if applicable. I don't suggest this, for me, complicate way two declaration two documentation.. You can demonstrate the compliance of the equipment to the essential requirements 3.1a using HS listing on the OJ under the RTTE directive or under the EMC directive this is clearly wrote on the note of the OJ: NOTES: 1. In addition, standards published under Directives 73/23/EC and 89/336/EEC may be used to demon- strate compliance with Articles 3(1)(a) and 3(1)(b) of Directive 1999/5/EC. And make only one DoC for the RTTE directive using the standards of the EMC. But I don't understand the reason to use the standard of the EMC directive for a RTTE equipments. Ciao Paolo At 12:27 3/6/02 -0500, Kevin Harris wrote: Hello, I just had an interesting conversation with the head of a approvals authority for a country in Europe for our type of products. The discussion centred around DoCs for the RTTE directive. His claim was since I had a product that has a RTTE element to it then I just make a declaration to the RTTE directive and not to the EMC directive. To support his claim he refers to Article 3.1(b) of the RTTE directive which states 1.The following essential requirements are applicable to all apparatus and part (b) the protection requirements with respect to electromagnetic compatibility contained in Directive 89/336/EEC. His interpretation is, then, that any standard published in the OJ for the EMC standard is (by this clause) also valid for the RTTE directive and one should make their declaration accordingly. My interpretation of this statement is slightly different. I believe that I cannot make an RTTE directive DoC using EMC published standards. I felt that the intention of this clause meant that just because you are declaring to the RTTE directive you are in no way relieved of the obligations of the EMC directive. Accordingly we produce a EMC declaration and a RTTE declaration. The EMC declaration uses standards published in the EMC OJ to show compliance and the RTTE directive DoC is to the standards published in the OJ for that directive. In the end I suppose this is all semantics as you end up doing the same test suite regardless but What are the feeling of this group. Do you agree with either position? Do you have another interpretation? Best Regards, Kevin Harris Manager, Approval Services Digital Security Controls 3301 Langstaff Road Concord, Ontario CANADA L4K 4L2 Tel: +1 905 760 3000 Ext. 2378 Fax +1 905 760 3020 Email: harr...@dscltd.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list -- Paolo Gemma Siemens Information and Communication Network spa Microwave Networks MW RD NSA EMC SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de'Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6203 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it --
Re: GSM EMC Test Specification
In Europe we use a ETSI standars for this EN 301 489-1 and EN 301 489-7 TRy on http://ww.etsi.org are free Ciao Paolo At 08:09 2/19/02 +0900, Jong Ho,Lee wrote: Hi Folk I want to know EMC standards and Test specifications of GSM as follow. ¡á GSM phone ¡á GSM accessory (i.e. Adaptor,Ear phone) If you kow about that,Please let me know. Best regards James. -- Paolo Gemma Siemens Information and Communication Network spa Microwave Networks MW RD NSA EMC SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de'Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6203 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it --
RE: CE Marking - Protoypes
Prototype, equipments for demostration aren't covered by the EMC or RTTE directive. This is article 8.2 of RTTE a similar article exist in the EMC directive 2. At trade fairs, exhibitions, demonstrations, etc., Member States shall not create any obstacles to the display of apparatus which does not comply with this Directive, provided that a visible sign clearly indicates that such apparatus may not be marketed or put into service until it has been made to comply. Ciao Paolo = Original Message From Enci e...@cinepower.com = I am trying to find official guidelines on the CE Marking of prototypes/samples, not available for sale, but used for demonstration at trade shows or other venues. Any help is appreciated. Thank you, Enci. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: CE rules
I think that is possible find something on the directive 99/44/CE Ciao Paolo At 16:42 1/17/02 -0500, Michael Gusel wrote: Dear Group, I am looking for CE rules (Directive, Article, ...) for maximum period of time that the manufacturer must provide repair and service after the equipment has been discontinued. Please advise. Thank you. Michael Gusel Datascope Corp. Tel: 201-995-8362 800 MacArthur Blvd. Fax: 201-995-8614 Mahwah, NJ 07430E-mail: michael_gu...@datascope.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. -- Paolo Gemma Siemens Information and Communication Network spa Microwave Networks MW RD NSA EMC SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de'Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6203 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it --
Re: Surge Applications
There are no ETSI standards dealing with surge on antenna port. The only body that are working on this item is ITU-T sg5 but are only start to study the problem. THis is normally understand not a immunity test but a survival test (resistibility) and I know to different way: one is inject a High pulse current on the shield of cable with al cable long 10 .50 meters, the other is inject a high voltage pulse on the inner of the cable long some meter. Ciao Paolo At 17:24 1/16/02 +, John Woodgate wrote: I read in !emc-pstc that Spencer, David H david.spen...@usa.xerox.com wrote (in 8992668F1C5ED211B4420008C74C364905234D88@USA0200MS1) about 'Surge Applications', on Wed, 16 Jan 2002: Using the following references: IEC 61000-4-5:1995 and EN55024:1998. I have to test a piece of ITE equipment which has an receive antenna (the antenna is connected to the EUT using 50 ohm coaxial cable). Is the EUT's antenna cable subject to surge test per table 2 of EN55024? Note 2 specifies only cables which connect to outdoor cables. This cable does that. Table 2's title is Immunity, signal ports and telecommunications ports I feel that an antenna fits under this category. If so (moving on from EN55024) How do I perform the test? Figures 13 and 14 in IEC61000-4-5 illustrates the test set up for shielded lines. However, there really only seems to be one EUT. I suspect I could consider the antenna as EUT 2 and the actual unit as EUT 1. In that case the testing is relatively straight forward. I consider that to be correct; the antenna is EUT 2. If this all sounds correct, then this is just a sanity check. If I'm incorrect or missed something...could you point me in the right direction. I think what you may have missed is that the IEC61000-4-5 surge test may not be appropriate for application to an antenna port. I would look at some ETSI immunity standards to see what tests are applied to antenna ports. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. -- Paolo Gemma Siemens Information and Communication Network spa Microwave Networks MW RD NSA EMC SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de'Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6203 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it --
Re: What about 480 VAC in Europe? RE: 2 Phases in North America
Also Italy have a nominal phase to phase of 380VAC. Ciao Paolo At 11:20 1/17/02 +, Andrew Carson wrote: Terry Then nominal EU phase to phase voltage is 400VAC with a +6/-10% Tolerance. Distribution is Three Phase Star, Earthed Neutral. Some countries are still a little behind in the voltage harmonization e.g.. Belgium is a nominal 380VAC. Other have not changed as they fall within the tolerance limits already, e.g. the UK is a nominal 415VAC Generally with switch mode supplies, provided your incoming wiring feed is changed to take into account the Star and not Delta, configuration. They can accommodate the voltage difference. Terry Meck wrote: High all: I have been away form the forum, very busy, and a quick review notes you have been discussing Power distribution in USA. What about Europe? We have an application needing 480 VAC here in USA. How compatible will 480 VAC be in Europe? Someone told me 390 VAC is more real in Europe. !?! How do you see this 480 VAC being impacted by the EN 61000-3-3 harmonic standard? Thanks for any input in advance! Best regards, Terry J. Meck Senior Compliance/Test Engineer tjm...@accusort.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. -- Andrew Carson - Senior Compliance Engineer, Xyratex, UK Phone: +44 (0)23 9249 6855 Fax: +44 (0)23 9249 6014 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. -- Paolo Gemma Siemens Information and Communication Network spa Microwave Networks MW RD NSA EMC SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de'Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6203 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it --
Re: Impedance Stabilization Network
Rohde schwarz http://www.rohde-schwarz.com/Homepage have the ISN and also Shaffner http://www.schaffner.com/ the problem is that the standards are not complete define So it's possible that the ISN will change in future. Ciao Paolo At 17:06 11/26/01 -0500, you wrote: Does anybody know of a source of ISN's as required for Telecom Port conducted emissions in CISPR 22? Jan Heffken Compliance Test Engineer Applied Innovation Inc. j...@aiinet.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. -- Paolo Gemma Siemens Information and Communication Network spa Microwave Networks MW RD NSA EMC SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de'Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6203 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it --
Re: Radio Module, full product re-test?
Hi Alex If you integrate the new radio module without change anything on the radio module I suggest to make no test on the product. Ciao Paolo At 13:36 11/12/01 +, Alex McNeil wrote: Hi Group, Situation I have an alternate Small Radio Device (SRD) Module, previous one obsoleted, in a product. This new alternate Radio Module has ETS 300 683 (EMC) and EN 300 220-1 (Radio) approvals and DoC supplied by the manufacturer. The product was already approved to these standards with the obsoleted module, plus EN55022 and EN55024. To Show Due Dilligence (CE Mark) What is the minimum I need to do for EMC re-verification, if any? Kind Regards Alex McNeil Principal Engineer Tel: +44 (0)131 479 8375 Fax: +44 (0)131 479 8321 email: alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com -Original Message- From: jim.hulb...@pb.com [mailto:jim.hulb...@pb.com] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:19 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:CISPR 22:1997 The European Union has postponed mandatory compliance with CISPR 22:1997 (EN 55022:1998) until 1 August 2003. This version of the standard includes the new requirement for conducted emissions on cables connected to telecommunications ports. Have other countries that require compliance with CISPR 22 (or some variation thereof) also postponed implementation of the 1997 version? My immediate concern is Australia. Any information members of this group can share is greatly appreciated. Jim Hulbert Senior Engineer - EMC Pitney Bowes --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. -- Paolo Gemma Siemens Information and Communication Network spa Microwave Networks MW RD NSA EMC SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de'Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6203 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it --
Re: ESTI standards
The EN 301 489-1 with the other parts is intended as Harmonized standards for RTTE directive that will be give precedence on other EMC standards, EN 300 339 shall be used only if don't exist a product EMC standards. The EN 301 489-1 V1.2.1 shall not be used stand alone without another part of the EN 301 489 series (2...27). The new EN 301 489-1 V1.3.1 will be used in standalone basis for product for which don't exist a dedicate parts and will be substitute the old EN 300 339. Bye PAolo 7:23 9/24/01 +, you wrote: Hi all, Take a look on the standards below. It seems that they cover the same technical EMC issues. Am I right and if so, why these two standards ? EN 301 489-01: V1.2.1 (07-2000) Electromagnetic compatibility and Radio spectrum Matters (ERM); ElectroMagnetic Compatibility (EMC) standard for radio equipment and services; Part 1: Common technical requirements EN 300 339:1998 (05-1998) Electromagnetic compatibility and radio spectrum (ERM); General electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) for radio communications equipment Best regards Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway -- Get your firstname@lastname email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. -- Paolo Gemma Siemens Information and Communication Network spa Microwave Networks MW RD NSA EMC SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de'Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6203 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it --
RE: Swiss RTTE implementation
The swittzerland implemented the RTTE directive in full in accordance with the rule of the EC country; the only difference in Switzerland is that Swiss required money for the notification under article 6.4. Ciao Paolo Paolo Gemma Siemens Information and Communication Network spa Microwave Networks MW RD NSA EMC SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de'Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6203 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it = Original Message From umbdenst...@sensormatic.com = Gert, Do you know if Switzerland generally follows the same rules -- including the use of harmonized standards allowing for self-certification when applying the RTTE Directive? Even though the OJ is not a factor in Swiss law, for standards announced in the OJ, does Switzerland require the intervention of a NB? --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: ETSI dimensions
At 11:26 AM 8/28/01 -0700, you wrote: In the ETSI server there is a FAQ about the standard on mechanics see http://www.etsi.org/ee/QA.htm Ciao Paolo Does anyone have a feel for how close the spacing requirements in ETS 300 119 have to be met? There doesn't seem to be any tolerances, mins or maxes, i.e. the implication is that all dimensions must be met exactly. Anyone fallen down in Europe over this? Also, in ETS 300 119-4 it seems that D1 is incorrectly marked, i.e. D1 should be the entire depth, not the front part. Thanks in advance, Dave Wilson Alidian Networks --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. -- Paolo Gemma Siemens Information and Communication Network spa Microwave Networks MW RD NSA EMC SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de'Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6203 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it --
RE: LVD testing suite for ITE devices
For EMC is better consider EN 301 489-1 (generic radio) and EN 301 489-17 (specific parts for radio lAN)EN 300 826 will be witdraw next year. Paolo = Original Message From Wismer, Sam wisme...@ems-t.com = Hi Stuart, Sounds like your referring to a PCMCIA radio card that can be integrated into a host device. If so, you probably have an RTTE project that does also include the LVD. The test suite for this device would depend on the frequency band. If its 2.4 GHz equipment, then EN 300 328(Radio Spec), EN 300 826(EMC Spec) and EN60950(Safety Spec) would be the appropriate spec. All EN's so your customer can self-declare the device. Also, some say that EMF compliance may be required, although I have yet to have a notified body require that of me. The directive can be interpreted to include this. If you feel that it is required, there is no EN for it and you will need to use a NB. ~ Sam Wismer Lead Regulatory Engineer/ Radio Approvals Engineer LXE, Inc. (770) 447-4224 Ext. 3654 Visit Our Website at: http://www.ems-t.com http://www.ems-t.com/ -Original Message- From: Stuart Lopata [mailto:stu...@timcoengr.com] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:35 PM To: emc Subject: LVD testing suite for ITE devices Can anyone point me to specific tests and standards applicable for safety testing for ITE devices? Specifically, we are looking to meet the low voltage directive for computers and computer peripherals ( such as hardware that plugs into the bus slots and wireless networking equipment that connects to pcmia or ethernet ports). Sincerely, Stuart Lopata --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Wrist Medical Device with a GSM Link
At 04:54 PM 8/8/01 +0200, Peter Merguerian wrote: Dear All, I am looking into step by step procedure for approving a medical device - worn by patients with heart problems on the wrist on a daily basis. Device includes non-invasive sensors for diagnosis of body temperature, blood pressure, ECG and oximeter. The device includes a GSM modem by Siemens TC35, an antenna like on a cellphone, a lithium battery pack, a microcontroller unit, flash memory and a data link controller, all on printed boards within this high density packaged medical device. My questions are as follows: 1. What is the procedure to obtain GSM radio approvals in 1) Europe 2) Canada 3) US? 2. What are the applicable GSM radio standards in Europe only RTTE directive, Canada and US? 3. What are some well known labs in Europe which can give radio approvals quickly and efficiently. 4. Assuming the TC35 GSM modem module within the device has CE for Europe under the RTTE, is there a requirement to obtain radio approvals on the complete device in Europe? In Europe You shall to apply the RTTE directive for this directive If you use the module without any modification on antenna and so on you have only to test the EMC and the safety characteries of the products all is on self certification. The equipment, I think, is also under the medical directive that I don't know well . Ciao Paolo 5.. Assuming the TC35 GSM modem module within the device has US and Canada radio approvals, is there a requirement to obtain radio approvals on the complete device in North America? 6. Does Canada have a similar approval procedure like the FDA in the States regarding medical devices? 7. Can this product be FDA approved under the 510K program (ie is there a similar product out there)? 8. What would be the environmental requirements for this type of device? PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: + 972-(0)3-5339022 Fax: + 972-(0)3-5339019 Mobile: + 972-(0)54-838175 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, -- Paolo Gemma Siemens Information and Communication Network spa Microwave Networks MW RD NSA EMC SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de'Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6203 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it --
Fwd: RE: ETSI EMC Standard
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 12:13:38 +0200 To: umbdenst...@sensormatic.com From: Paolo Gemma paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it Subject: RE: ETSI EMC Standard I am involved in ETSI The change was drive by IEC 61000-4-3 that approved this modification to the basic standards. A similar change is also in the ETSI standards EN 300 386 regarding the non radio telecommunication equipments. Ciao Paolo At 01:19 PM 8/7/01 -0400, you wrote: Regarding the change in the standard, has anyone started to look into an upgrade to their compact chambers for stre-e-e-etching the frequency to 2 GHz? If so, what upgrades did you find most cost effective for * signal generator * amplifier * antenna * sensor * e-field probe * chamber lining modifications Perhaps we can develop a database of options and trade-offs before we need to spend the big bucks. Don Umbdenstock Sensormatic ? -- From: wo...@sensormatic.com[SMTP:wo...@sensormatic.com] Reply To: wo...@sensormatic.com Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:15 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: ETSI EMC Stadard The final draft of the proposed revision of ETSI EN 301 489-1 is in the voting stage. This standard sets the emissions and immunity requirements for most all transmitters. A major change has been made to the radiated immunity requirements by adding the frequencies between 1400 MHz and 2000 MHz. I was told that this change is being driven by CISPR and may be based upon a CISPR standard. Does anyone have any information in this regard? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, -- Paolo Gemma Siemens Information and Communication Network spa Microwave Networks MW RD NSA EMC SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de'Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6203 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it -- -- Paolo Gemma Siemens Information and Communication Network spa Microwave Networks MW RD NSA EMC SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de'Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 02 9526 6587fax +39 02 9526 6203 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail paolo.ge...@icn.siemens.it --
