[Emc-users] MPG pendant

2014-02-06 Thread bruno
Hi all,

I just upgraded my linuxcnc from 2.4 with parallel port software 
stepper, to 2.5 and a mesa 5i25 with prob_rfx2 firmware. I set it up 
quite easily using the pncconf .xml firmware found here
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/33697

great job with this pncconf, it is quite nice. Performance with the mesa 
board is incomparably better than software stepping.

I started looking around for some cnc pendant.
I am wondering if anybody has tried to configure one of these:

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Mach3-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis-Controller/1004816998.html

usb, probably HID, so hal_input might work. For the display part however 
I have no idea what could be done.
If the pendant does not appear as some standard usb device, I thought 
the best approach would be to write a new display, similar to linuxcnclcd.

Alternatively, I am pretty sure this type
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Universal-CNC-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR/1594520156.html

would be easy to integrate as it appears as just a bunch of switches and 
quadrature encoder, I think.

Any comments, experience with those ? I have not found much about 
anybody using them on linuxcnc, so I wonder if I am just breaking new 
ground, or they are such crap that nobody uses them

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Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant

2014-02-06 Thread David Armstrong
On 06/02/14 11:41, bruno wrote:
 Hi all,

 I just upgraded my linuxcnc from 2.4 with parallel port software
 stepper, to 2.5 and a mesa 5i25 with prob_rfx2 firmware. I set it up
 quite easily using the pncconf .xml firmware found here
 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/33697

 great job with this pncconf, it is quite nice. Performance with the mesa
 board is incomparably better than software stepping.

 I started looking around for some cnc pendant.
 I am wondering if anybody has tried to configure one of these:

 http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Mach3-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis-Controller/1004816998.html

 usb, probably HID, so hal_input might work. For the display part however
 I have no idea what could be done.
 If the pendant does not appear as some standard usb device, I thought
 the best approach would be to write a new display, similar to linuxcnclcd.

 Alternatively, I am pretty sure this type
 http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Universal-CNC-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR/1594520156.html

 would be easy to integrate as it appears as just a bunch of switches and
 quadrature encoder, I think.

 Any comments, experience with those ? I have not found much about
 anybody using them on linuxcnc, so I wonder if I am just breaking new
 ground, or they are such crap that nobody uses them

 Bruno



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yes the xhc04 has been added to linuxcnc
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant

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Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant

2014-02-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 February 2014 11:41, bruno br...@tinkerbox.org wrote:

 I am wondering if anybody has tried to configure one of these:
 http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Mach3-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis-Controller/1004816998.html

Yes, there is a dedicated HAL component for them:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant

 Alternatively, I am pretty sure this type
 http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Universal-CNC-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR/1594520156.html

That would be very easy to interface via a 7i73 board from Mesa.

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Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant

2014-02-06 Thread Pete Matos
Dunno the answers to these questions but I am running the Mesa 5i25/7i77
combo on my machine and as soon as funds allow I intend to setup a nice
pendant as well. I will be listening intently to this conversation.  Lots
of nice pendants out there which ones work best with LinuxCNC and the Mesa
hardware will be interesting to see.  Peace

Pete




On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:41 AM, bruno br...@tinkerbox.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 I just upgraded my linuxcnc from 2.4 with parallel port software
 stepper, to 2.5 and a mesa 5i25 with prob_rfx2 firmware. I set it up
 quite easily using the pncconf .xml firmware found here
 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/33697

 great job with this pncconf, it is quite nice. Performance with the mesa
 board is incomparably better than software stepping.

 I started looking around for some cnc pendant.
 I am wondering if anybody has tried to configure one of these:


 http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Mach3-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis-Controller/1004816998.html

 usb, probably HID, so hal_input might work. For the display part however
 I have no idea what could be done.
 If the pendant does not appear as some standard usb device, I thought
 the best approach would be to write a new display, similar to linuxcnclcd.

 Alternatively, I am pretty sure this type

 http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Universal-CNC-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR/1594520156.html

 would be easy to integrate as it appears as just a bunch of switches and
 quadrature encoder, I think.

 Any comments, experience with those ? I have not found much about
 anybody using them on linuxcnc, so I wonder if I am just breaking new
 ground, or they are such crap that nobody uses them

 Bruno




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[Emc-users] mdi does not queue commands

2014-02-06 Thread Christopher Purcell
Previous two attempts at posting this have silently failed. Not obvious if 
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Today I was reading the Axis 2.5 documentation:

http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gui/axis.html

and noted for the first time Section 6, describing the program named mdi, which 
provides a manual data input function to a running LinuxCNC process. While 
testing this mdi program using simple G01 moves on a 3 axis stepper machine, 
using Axis V2.5.3 I see it does not queue commands, but subsequent tasks can 
interrupt previous incomplete ones. This is not how the MDI command function 
works in Axis, which queues tasks, so that each one completes. Is this 
interrupt behaviour a feature of the mdi program, or something with six legs?

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Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant

2014-02-06 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 02/06/2014 05:02 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 6 February 2014 11:41, bruno br...@tinkerbox.org wrote:
 
 I am wondering if anybody has tried to configure one of these:
 http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Mach3-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis-Controller/1004816998.html
 
 Yes, there is a dedicated HAL component for them:
 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant

Frederic Rible and Dewey Garrett and I have been adding support for this
pendant to LinuxCNC.  It's nearly ready to be merged into master, for
now you can check it out in the xhc-hb04 branch on git.linuxcnc.org.

Frederic (who wrote the driver) tested that branch and reported that it
works for him.  Dewey wrote a bunch of configs that should hopefully be
easy to add to a machine config, but i haven't heard any test reports of
that (and i don't have one of these pendants to test with myself).

Frederic, Dewey, are you both happy with the state of that branch?  Are
we ready to merge it into master?  And then I guess it's time to update
that wiki page


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Re: [Emc-users] mdi does not queue commands

2014-02-06 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 02/06/2014 07:28 AM, Christopher Purcell wrote:
 Previous two attempts at posting this have silently failed. Not obvious if 
 lists.sourceforge.net or something else is filtering me...
 
 Today I was reading the Axis 2.5 documentation:
 
 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gui/axis.html
 
 and noted for the first time Section 6, describing the program named mdi, 
 which provides a manual data input function to a running LinuxCNC process. 
 While testing this mdi program using simple G01 moves on a 3 axis stepper 
 machine, using Axis V2.5.3 I see it does not queue commands, but subsequent 
 tasks can interrupt previous incomplete ones. This is not how the MDI command 
 function works in Axis, which queues tasks, so that each one completes. Is 
 this interrupt behaviour a feature of the mdi program, or something with six 
 legs?

I think the mdi program is very rarely used.  I think it was more a
proof of concept than a serious implementation of a user interface, and
i'm not surprised to hear it behaves in unexpected ways.

The MDI tab in Axis is much more widely used, and should work much
better.  Could you use it instead?


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Re: [Emc-users] mdi does not queue commands

2014-02-06 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2014-02-06 16:28 GMT+02:00 Christopher Purcell christopherpurc...@mac.com:

 While testing this mdi program using simple G01 moves on a 3 axis stepper
 machine, using Axis V2.5.3 I see it does not queue commands, but subsequent
 tasks can interrupt previous incomplete ones. This is not how the MDI
 command function works in Axis, which queues tasks, so that each one
 completes.


What I see is that it does not work in Axis, but does work in ... Axis :))
Could you, please, describe in more detail, what exactly do you mean?

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Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant

2014-02-06 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 06 February 2014 12:57:06 Pete Matos did opine:

 Dunno the answers to these questions but I am running the Mesa 5i25/7i77
 combo on my machine and as soon as funds allow I intend to setup a nice
 pendant as well. I will be listening intently to this conversation. 
 Lots of nice pendants out there which ones work best with LinuxCNC and
 the Mesa hardware will be interesting to see.  Peace
 
 Pete
 
FWIW, someone published a setup to use a saitek game controller, but the 
very short throw joysticks I found to be less than worthless as there was 
no feel to let the user know he was driving at an angle when he thought 
he was driving just the x or y.  The next update, requiring a new config, I 
never added it to.  Way too high a mistake probability.  

However with the single axis at a time from the MPG, it might be more 
usable. YMMV.  The keyboard does work, in all 3 4 axis's at once if you 
have enough fingers.  ;)

 On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:41 AM, bruno br...@tinkerbox.org wrote:
  Hi all,
  
  I just upgraded my linuxcnc from 2.4 with parallel port software
  stepper, to 2.5 and a mesa 5i25 with prob_rfx2 firmware. I set it up
  quite easily using the pncconf .xml firmware found here
  http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/33697
  
  great job with this pncconf, it is quite nice. Performance with the
  mesa board is incomparably better than software stepping.
  
  I started looking around for some cnc pendant.
  I am wondering if anybody has tried to configure one of these:
  
  
  http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-
  Mach3-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis-Controller/1004816998.html
  
  usb, probably HID, so hal_input might work. For the display part
  however I have no idea what could be done.
  If the pendant does not appear as some standard usb device, I thought
  the best approach would be to write a new display, similar to
  linuxcnclcd.
  
  Alternatively, I am pretty sure this type
  
  http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Universal-CNC-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwh
  eel-Emergency-stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR/1594520156.html
  
  would be easy to integrate as it appears as just a bunch of switches
  and quadrature encoder, I think.
  
  Any comments, experience with those ? I have not found much about
  anybody using them on linuxcnc, so I wonder if I am just breaking new
  ground, or they are such crap that nobody uses them
  
  Bruno
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant

2014-02-06 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/06/2014 05:41 AM, bruno wrote:
 Alternatively, I am pretty sure this type
 http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Universal-CNC-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR/1594520156.html

 would be easy to integrate as it appears as just a bunch of switches and
 quadrature encoder, I think.


I'm pretty sure you are right, mechanical switches and an 
encoder.
I have built two of them, see :
http://pico-systems.com/pendant.html
I use some diodes to multiplex the XYZ-feedrate-spindle
selection so I use up fewer digital inputs.  I have links to the
hal code to interface this to LinuxCNC.  It is for my PPMC
line of products, so would need a little adapting to Mesa
products.

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Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant

2014-02-06 Thread Dewey Garrett

If one has a pendant, it can be tested with sim configs
in the xhc-hb04 branch (configs/sim/axis/xhc-hb04).  There
are two configs for the two known button configurations:
xhc-hb04-layout1.ini (16 buttons)
xhc-hb04-layout2.ini (18 buttons, most common)

The pendant i got has 18 buttons (layout2), is marked HB04 on
the front, and the label on the back is marked WHB04-L with a
date code 201312.  It is working fine for me.

-

Some modifications were made to make it easy to add a pendant
to an existing configuration (no hal file edits are required).

From the README:

  An xhc-hb04 pendant can be added to existing configurations.
1) copy files to the configuration directory:
   $ cp xhc-hb04.tcl your_config_dir/
   $ cp xhc-hb04-layout*.cfg your_config_dir/
2) Edit existing configuration ini file to:
  a) add [HAL]HALFILE=xhc-hb04.tcl
  b) add stanza [XHC-HB04_CONFIG]
  c) add stanza [XHC-HB04_BUTTONS]
  c) add or update stanza for [HALUI]

  See the demo ini files for more detailed examples.

-
Several folks have reported that the pendant stops updating.
On mine, if the pendant is idle (no buttons pressed, no wheel
movement) for approximately 40 seconds, the display stops
updating. Pressing any button restores display updating so I
just leave one button unassigned and press it to wake up the
pendant.

Running the xhc-hb04 program executed standalone as a simulator
now reports when it detects the pendant going to sleep; when
using with hal, a pin is created for the condition (xhc-hb04.sleeping)

I think it would be good to merge to master to get some
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[Emc-users] Stripped down TPEN4_5 firmware

2014-02-06 Thread Ralph Stirling
Is there a stripped down version of the TPEN4_5 firmware
for the Mesa 7I43-4 available, which does not generate the
complement PWM signals (/A, /B, /C) for each axis?  I would
like to use those pins for Hall commutation inputs if I could.

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Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-06 Thread a k
only this 3 video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52chDT-IAxw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g0fiWx8RyM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cBmZboRyC0


On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:44 AM, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why limit your design to a tool holder? Make it a 3/4 shaft so any tool
 holder can hold it. Of course if it was a popular design you would think
 that the market would be flooded with cheap Chinlee versions.

 JT

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  On 2/2/2014 5:50 PM, a k wrote:
  Hi
  i found that this and many other companies manufacture 3D printer
  http://indimension3.com/our-3d-printers
  They also manufacture head that attached to basically 3d CNC 3 axis
 mill.
  So, question is why not just manufacture head as a another tool to CNC
 mill
  on the CAT 40 or CAT 50 tool holder?
  Make it in R8 and NMTB30, especially with an Erickson QC flange +
  drawbar threads, and it'd fit the vast majority of Bridgeport knee mills
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Re: [Emc-users] next big thing

2014-02-06 Thread Jeshua Lacock

Greetings,

Here is a 5-axis laser sintering CNC machine [DROL]: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9IdZ2pI5dA

It makes perfect sense. Its eliminating the cast part altogether and having it 
perfectly clamped and positioned on a 5-axis CNC machine.

And proves it can be practical to switch heads.

Now I think LiunuxCNC would be a good candidate for a machine like that.

;)


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Re: [Emc-users] Stripped down TPEN4_5 firmware

2014-02-06 Thread andy pugh
On 7 February 2014 00:01, Ralph Stirling ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu wrote:
 Is there a stripped down version of the TPEN4_5 firmware
 for the Mesa 7I43-4 available, which does not generate the
 complement PWM signals (/A, /B, /C) for each axis?  I would
 like to use those pins for Hall commutation inputs if I could.

Does SVTP4_7i39 fit the bill? The 7i39 uses 3 channels of PWM and has
3 GPIO channels for the Hall sensors.

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Re: [Emc-users] Stripped down TPEN4_5 firmware

2014-02-06 Thread Ralph Stirling
It would probably work for me.  Is there a compiled .bit around somewhere,
or do I need to gear up to run the vhdl through the Xilinx tools?  I'm having
difficulty finding the official repository of hm2 firmware.  I've found the 
source
files, but not the pre-compiled ones.  The Mesa .zip file doesn't have .bit's 
for
SVTP4_7i39.

Thanks again,
-- Ralph

From: andy pugh [bodge...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 5:30 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Stripped down TPEN4_5 firmware

On 7 February 2014 00:01, Ralph Stirling ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu wrote:
 Is there a stripped down version of the TPEN4_5 firmware
 for the Mesa 7I43-4 available, which does not generate the
 complement PWM signals (/A, /B, /C) for each axis?  I would
 like to use those pins for Hall commutation inputs if I could.

Does SVTP4_7i39 fit the bill? The 7i39 uses 3 channels of PWM and has
3 GPIO channels for the Hall sensors.

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Re: [Emc-users] John Thorntons Gui3 Sample in Linuxcnc 2.6pre

2014-02-06 Thread Chris Morley



  On 2/5/2014 3:49 AM, Mark Tucker wrote:
  I have been fiddling around with JT's Tutorials,in particular Gui3 shown
  here http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/gui/index.html.
  I can get this to run on 2.5.3 no problem,but when i try to run from 2.6
  pre it loads up and you can take the machine out of estop but the run
  button stays greyed out?
  I have tried this on both developer machines with the same result.
  Am i missing something?
 

I assume you are using HAL_action buttons.
You can't run without being homed.
so it stays greyed out till un-estoped and homed 
This is new in 2.6

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Re: [Emc-users] PNCConf truncating metric screw pitch

2014-02-06 Thread Chris Morley


 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:21:52 -0500
 From: smdubov...@gmail.com
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] PNCConf truncating metric screw pitch
 
 We're using Mesa 5i25+7i76s in a couple Emco stepper based machines w/
 2.5mm pitch leadscrews.  PNCConf seems to be truncating that 2.5 back to
 2.0 every time we revisit the step calculator page (the pop-up where you
 check off/enter the pulley info, step multiplier, etc.) that calculates the
 main steps/unit box.  It seems to get it right when you enter it as 2.5,
 but if you go back though sometime later (say to change the microstep
 multiplier), it shows 2.0 and you have to catch that and fix it every
 time.  FWIW, I'm running the latest release (2.5.3)
 
 SMD

Thanks for the report.
Yes PNCconf doesn't keep track of the data used for calculation of each axis.
So the data from one axis calculation will be used on the next.

I am in the middle of refactoring pncconf for 2.6 and have fixed it there, due
to your bug report.
When I'm finished I will try to remember to look again at 2.5

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Re: [Emc-users] Address in of parrallel port not used in PNCCONF ?

2014-02-06 Thread Chris Morley


 Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 00:10:15 -0800
 From: m...@matws.net
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] Address in of parrallel port not used in PNCCONF ?
 
 Hello All,
 
 I have an atom desktop with a partport at 0x378 and a 7i43 + 7i42 hooked 
 to it and it's working well with LinuxCNC 2.5.3.
 On a thinkpad laptop I have a PCMCIA parport card at 0x3bc and when I 
 try to run Axis, after configuring this laptop for the same card, I got 
 errors about missing card at address 0x378 even though I configured it 
 to 0x3BC.
 
 Did I miss something or is the port specified during PNCConf ignored ?
 
 Matthieu.
 

You didn't miss anything. The address is being ignored by pncconf.
This is a bug.
I will try to remember to look into it further,
Thanks

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[Emc-users] Cincinnati arrow 500 retrofit running 2.6 revert back to 2.5.3?

2014-02-06 Thread Pete Matos
Hey guys,
Been having some small problems with my machine in regards to the
offsets.  It has been kind of difficult to get multi tool programs to run
with the correct offsets. At first I thought it was my misunderstanding of
the way it works but now it appears it may be some kinda bug in this
version of master. My question is if I wanted to switch back to 2.5.3
stable release how big of a pain in the ass is that gonna be LOL.  Connor
helped me graciously to get this thing working and it is working great
other than this issue and he did a bunch of custom stuff like a screen
panel for my MPG and setup some of the toolchanger inputs.  Is it possible
to save all this and revert back to the stable release or will we loose all
his hard work in the process.  If it is possible how would I go about doing
it? Thanks for all your help guys. Peace

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