Re: [e-users] Battery Monitor module source of excessively high CPU usage trouble
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:27:23 -0600 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed E DR17 yesterday (with the help of Prof K's RPMS and advice) and was troubled that it was using 40-80% of the system CPU, even if the PC was sitting idle. I started searching posts in this list and saw Raster's blog, which (2 years ago) showed that E with no modules was very fast and light. But on my system, it was bloated and sometimes slow. What the hell? I removed modules one by one until the CPU usage dropped into the normal (less than 5% range) and, guess what (drum roll please): The battery module was the culprit! In this Dell D820 laptop, I have 2 batteries. One is the usual, one is in the so-called external bay and it can be swapped for a CDROM. I should have realized E was having trouble with this because the battery monitor reported nutty values like 143% and it constantly told me my battery was almost out of power. Removing the battery module solves the CPU problem. What a relief. I realized I can run gnome-panel or the KDE kicker on one side, and the E shelf on the other, and can use the battery monitor from those other programs. I did remove the second battery and try the battery module again, but it still showed high CPU usage. So I don't know for sure what to conclude. Perhaps the whole framework of the motherboard chassis has it confused? If any developers want more information to investigate this, or you want me to file a formal bug report (in case this is not known already) I will do. pj The configuration for the battery monitor was changed recently to measure the update interval in ticks (not sure exactly what these are) rather than in seconds as it was before. The value wasn't changed though, so if your update interval used to be one second, it's now one tick, which is ridiculously high. Try increasing the update interval in the battery module config, that should fix the issue. Jesse - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Warp at end
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:32:23 +1030 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I recently updated to latest CVS and created a brand new profile (I did this to fix a problem I was having with the file manager, which worked). I changed the configuration 'warp at end' to be off (Advanced-Window List). Problem is it has made no difference, my cursor always warps to the newly focused window and sits in the middle. Happens for new dialogs too. Focus also seems to be stuck on 'Sloppy'. Is anyone else seeing this behavior? Thanks, Dave I'm having the second issue that you mentioned... the 'warp at end' for window list option seems to be working fine for me, but as of my last update (on the 8th), the pointer seems to be warping to any new window that is created, and I can't find a way to disable this behavior. Any help? Jesse Luehrs - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Certain applications show up in the default E17 theme
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:11:52 +1000 Arthur Barton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never seen this before, so I don't know where to look, but no matter what E17 theme I have selected, but the windows from 'tsclient' and 'rdesktop' show up with decorations from the default E17 theme and not the theme I have selected. Not that I mind too much 'cos it's still beautiful, but I didn't even think there was a setting in E to cause this to happen, so I certainly didn't set it. Anyone have any idea why? I can provide a screenshot if necessary. This sounds to me like those apps are using a border style that is not included with any theme (ex: no_resize/dialog). I can confirm this. rdesktop on a e17 install from about 4 days ago always displays with the default theme. And, for what it's worth, rdesktop windows can't be resized. Jesse - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] About cvs
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:36:21 -0500 Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday, 05 March 2007, at 19:11:08 (-0500), Ross Vandegrift wrote: In general, cvs has a list command that can list, but the CVS server doesn't support it for e17. Oh really? And what would the syntax for this list command be? Michael $ cvs help 21 | grep ls ls List files available from CVS rls List files in a module $ cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/e ls cvs [ls aborted]: server does not support ls $ cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/e rls e17 cvs [rls aborted]: server does not support rls Jesse - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] emotion on Gentoo amd64: sandbox violation
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:56:24 +1000 Alan E. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps I should write this on the gentoo list? Emotion compiles up to a message Source compiled. After that, a message about a Sandbox Violation, which I believe is unique to Gentoo, pointing to the logfile with the following entries: open_wr: /root/.gconf/.testing.writeability unlink:/root/.gconf/.testing.writeability open_wr: /root/.gconfd/saved_state open_wr: /root/.gconfd/saved_state open_wr: /root/.gconfd/saved_state open_wr: /root/.gconfd/saved_state.tmp This has been going on for a couple of months, and seems to have compromized e17 on this box. Perhaps this is related to USE flags? My questions then are how to overcome this so it will compile, and whether emotion is an important dependence that would cause other apps to screw up. E17 hasn't been working well, I have been getting many segfaults requiring to reset e17. Thank you, Alan First, as the emerge output pretty clearly states, !!! SEND BUG REPORTS TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOT THE E TEAM especially in the case where it is fairly clearly a problem with the Gentoo side, rather than the e17 side. Second, emotion is (I believe) not used by any working applications at the moment. Jesse - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Can not get GTK apps to look nice
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:11:05 +1200 Bernard Mentink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I followed the advice on the howto -- http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_emerge_e17 to add the theme and font name to .gtkrc-2.0 and .gtkrc, it worked once, but on reboot it does not work any more. Any suggestions anyone? emerge gtk-chtheme On another issue, what has happened to the Clock? It is a boring plain one instead of a nice looking one with a gold surround as per various screenshots ... I am running the default theme. Those screenshots are out of date. The clock theme was redone during the transition to shelves. Cheers, Bernard Jesse - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E17 Feature request - keybindings
Original message
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:27:43 -0300
From: Fernando Gerent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [e-users] E17 Feature request - keybindings
To: Josh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net
I was just thinking about that.
It kind of complements this other thing I've been
planning to do, that's storing my app preferences,
whenever possible, on scripts, using the command
arguments, instead of editing the config files. This
makes it much easier to restore them in a reinstall,
and overrides any global config file that may be
changed in an upgrade.
I just have no idea how I can check if a program is
running, althought I'm pretty sure it can be done.
ps w -eo 'comm' | grep -qE ^${PROGNAME}$
that will return successfully if ${PROGNAME} is running and
with a failure code if it is not (no guarantees on the
portability of that... I know it works on Linux).
As for the focus, it's probably possible, maybe I
can use the signal used by mouse click on window
title or Alt+Tab to bring up the program. Maybe
someone around here could help me find exactly what
it is.
The problem isn't in sending the signal... that would be
fairly trivial (as you mentioned, clicks and alt+tab do it
already). The really difficult part is figuring out which
windows go with which pids/process names.
Thanks everyone for the replies so far.
Fernando
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Re: [e-users] News from Thumbnailing...
Original message Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:09:45 +0200 From: Oliver Pahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-users] News from Thumbnailing... To: euser enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net Hi, i found new strange behavior with the thumbnailing support. If i open a directory with exhibit, noting happens, if i wasnt in that the directory when epsilon was still working. When thumbs are already existent, they are displayed. But now for the strange News. When i am opening evidence and navigate to a directory which is not displayable by exhibit or ephoto, the thumbs are created and visible in exhibit and ephoto. When i navigate to a picture directory, my console output looks like this: [clip] Hope that helps and somebody can investigate the matter. Greets and thanks Oli This is because evidence doesn't use epsilon for thumbnailing; it does it by itself (using imlib2 i believe). This most likely means that thumbnail cache support in epsilon (which is a standard that evidence also uses) still works, but thumbnail generation does not. Jesse Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] tclock module
Original message Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:02:12 -0400 From: Chris Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-users] tclock module To: enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net I know this has been asked before, but I seem to have deleted the email. Has the tclock module been abandoned? If so, is there any modules out there like it? I really miss having a clock here I could quickly check the time. --chris I don't know what the development status of it is, but it is still functional... I'm using it right now. Jesse Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] System monitor module?
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:24:46 -0400 Alan Hoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I find/download/install/enable/whatever the Monitor module? I see a theme for it at: http://www4.get-e.org/Themes/Modules/Monitor/ But I don't see it listed in my module list, nor (for that matter) anywhere in my file system. I found the e_modules-cpu, e_modules-net, and e_modules-mem in the E17 FC5 yum repository, but the all in one look of that Monitor theme looks like it would be pretty nice. -alan Shelf + mem + net + cpu == all in one look(: In any case, the original monitor module was removed quite some time ago, since it had many serious bugs and no maintainer, and the split modules had fewer bugs, a maintainer, and provided all the same functionality. Give them a try(: Jesse ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] A few questions
On Tue, 30 May 2006 11:46:09 -0400 boneyfrog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I get the virtual desktop switching to wrap around? So when I'm at the left-most virtual desktop and do a 'ctrl+alt+left', it wraps around to the right-most virtual desktop. right now virtual desktops are linear not circular, damn flat earthers, so right now you can't scroll to the far right from the far left and vice versa. Not true. Use desk_linear_flip_by as the action rather than desk_flip_by in the keybindings config (Flip Desktop Linearly rather than Flip Desktop) and it will wrap around. Jesse ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] DR17 make problem : with logs
On Fri, 12 May 2006 19:13:08 +0200 danny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In file included from e_main.c:4: e.h:48:21: Ecore_X.h: No such file or directory e.h:56:27: Ecore_X_Atoms.h: No such file or directory e.h:57:28: Ecore_X_Cursor.h: No such file or directory That's your issue. Doing make install for ecore should have stuck those files in $PREFIX/include (probably /usr/local/include in your case). You should figure out why it didn't. Jesse --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [Fwd: Re: [e-users] Significant slowdown in ibar performance]
On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:31:49 +0200 Massimo Maiurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never used a profiling system, though; can you give me any hint on how to do it, or at least a link to a document explaining necessary steps to follow? TIA Compile everything (all libs, etc) with -pg in CFLAGS, run e for a while, concentrating on the slow parts, then quit and run 'gprof /usr/bin/enlightenment-0.17 gmon.out'. The first 50 or so lines of that output are the useful ones. Jesse --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] monitor not present in cvs
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 06:44:30 +1000 Russell Davie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi monitor doesn't seem to be complete in cvs in either sourceforge or enlightenment This is using the cvs at :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/enlightenment :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/e This is my first look at E17, it an amazing successor to E16. TIA R Monitor has been split apart into separate modules now, and is no longer being maintained itself, as far as I know. Check out mem, cpu, net, wlan, and uptime instead, as they are what monitor was split into. Jesse --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Re: [E-devel] entrance autodetect.sh integration.
On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:13:57 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:42:08 -0500 Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: personal. So I went ahead and took time that I do not have (I'm getting married in under 9 days) to put in the correct solution: a configure parameter to specify either a particular virtual terminal or automatic detection with a default of tty7 for the Linux-using majority of entrance users. Your correct solution is not any more correct than mine was. In fact, you managed to make things worse. You have no time to fix things, but plenty of time to bitch about them. I give up, you win, I wont try to improve entrance in the future. If there is something that I really need to fix I'll fork it and avoid all this nonsense you insist on. No wonder the problems with entrance tend to go unfixed if this is the sort of flak people get for trying to fix them. Why is it incorrect? How did it make things worse? Answers to these questions would be useful in fixing the problem. Personally, this sounds like the appropriate fix, as it allows packagers/distro maintainers to manually specify a value that makes sense for their distribution, while still providing a mostly working alternative for people who want to build it straight out of cvs. And don't we already not care about users who build out of cvs but don't read the user guide/faq/anything? (This is in the faq, right?) On a slightly related note, how do gdm and kdm get around this problem? Jesse Luehrs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Memory Usage
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:14:55 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:28:35 -0300 Hugo Henrique Becker de Aguiar [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi! I will first thank the programers involved with enlightenment. It is art ! :) I think the issue I about to question is not really an enlightenment issue, but why does the system monitor (gnome) says I'm using so much less memory then the enlightenment monitor... I cannot find the process using all my memory!! e doesnt have a memory monitor. if you mean whats in emodules (that is not in e! thats e modules a separate cvs tree entirely) then its not counting the same way. memory is a complex thing. but its probably not ignoring disk and buffer cache. There's an option for that in the module configuration. Tell it to ignore buffers and cache and it should be the same. Jesse --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Enlightenment crashes and ibar keeps going blank..
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:50:03 -0500 Alan Hoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I'm an enlightenment newbie (finally got sick of Metacity on FC4) and I installed E17 (enlightenment-0.16.999.023-1.20060204cvs) out of the Didier Fedora repo. (rpm -q reports: enlightenment-0.16.999.023-1.20060204cvs) I keep getting crashes of Enlightenment and my ibar goes blank. I tried installing a couple of Modules, by downloading and putting them into ~/.e/e/modules/... as described on the modules pages, but they failed to work. (I've rm -rf'd my .e directory since then) Not sure about the crashes... it's possible that that snapshot was just taken at a bad time. A backtrace from gdb would be helpful with this. Is there a way to save sessions between logins? I.e. have E bring back my gnome-terminal windows, opera, gaim, Firefox, etc on login? gnome-session should still work under e if that's what you have been using. Alternatively, you can put those applications' eap files in the startup .order file (~/.e/e/applications/startup/.order) if you just want the same ones all the time Is there a working digital clock module? e_modules/tclock. Also, the clock module that comes with e17 has a digital display that you can enable. Is there a sticky-notes type of module? There was, once, but it's been broken for about 3 or 4 months now, at least. I'm using xpad (an external gtk based program) and it works fine for me. Is there a way to get the file manager to display long file names? It's hard to select the right file when it only displays the first few letters Depends on which file manager you are talking about. The one that's built into e isn't really in any kind of usable state yet. Entropy is getting there, although still slightly buggy (I just tried it now, and it segfaulted, but it's been working decently until now). Evidence is the most stable of them, although it hasn't been in development for about a year now, and api changes have left it in various states of brokenness... I don't know what the current state of it is. Basically, there isn't a good efl filemanager that's good for general use yet. If you're up for testing and bug reports, great(: but otherwise, I would recommend sticking with something like rox or nautilus. -alan Jesse --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Sources for e_modules
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:07:32 +1000 mark stavar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been trying to build e17 from the CVS. Mostly it sees to work fine, except I am not receiving any source code to e_modules. Is it not the same location as other sources? All info appreciated. The cvs module was moved from e17/apps/e_modules to just e_modules, if that's what you are referring to I am running Gentoo on AMD64. I would prefer to use the CVS sources as they seem more up-to-date than the packages in portage. The ebuilds in portage do use cvs, if you use the -* masked ones (packagename-) Jesse --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] exebuf preload?
On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 00:38:02 -0500 Dusik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raster, As I understand what you're saying is all the disk IO happens after the exebuf window pops up. I'm seeing all the disk IO *before* the window pops up, after I press ALT+ESC. BTW, if most people aren't having this issue, I don't mind dropping it. It doesn't bother me *that* much. But thanks for your help :) -Dusik He meant that he just changed it to be in the background, a few hours ago(: Jesse --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] OpenGL rendering: sorry i won't open my mouth again
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:14:36 +0100 Florent Thiery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really am sorry about this, i didn't read realize that the discussion had beed closed already... Just a simple question though, how is the rendering mode of Mac OSX? Hardware or software? Will the Aero engine of Vista be the first totally-hardware-driven graphical engine? OSX is entirely hardware rendered. OSX is also not just a window manager. Enlightenment would need far more acceleration support from X in order to get performance like OSX has. If you are concerned about other platforms getting hardware rendering on the desktop before us, go bug the Xorg devs(: Jesse --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] OpenGL rendering: sorry i won't open my mouth again
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:31:18 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's a very bad advice. don't bug the xorg devs, unless its important. they have enough trouble reviving x as it is. I wasn't entirely serious(: My point was just that they would actually be able to do something about it, unlike the Enlightenment devs. I totally agree that bugging devs in general is a bad thing. Jesse --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] cvs access?
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:58:40 -0500 Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be kind, very inexperienced with cvs... I've not been able to get to cvs of late, with the following: cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/enlightenment login returns the following: Logging in to :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:2401/cvsroot/enlightenment CVS password: cvs [login aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any Suggestions? Sourceforge cvs isn't that great. Try again, or wait until non-peak hours, or use thinktux. Jesse --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Fonts to small after cvs update
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:49:59 -0800 (PST) Alejandro Salas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how about choosing a font and gtk config setup that has a font size u can read instead of hacking code? Hi, Sorry for my ignorance... could you point me where to look for?. I was reading about the gtkrc file, but haven't find anything useful yet. Thanx again I would highly recommend the program gtk-chtheme from http://plasmasturm.org/code/gtk-chtheme/ It allows you to change your personal gtk theme, including setting fonts. Jesse --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Sylpheed-Claws and Window remember
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:10:48 +0100 Dano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm using Sylpheed-Claws version 2.0.0-rc1 and upgraded E right now. The sylpheed-claws window wont remember its position, size, virtual desktop... Not sure, but i think this began with this version of sylpheed-claws. Dano I already talked to raster about this... he was pretty sure it was some corner case of ICCCM hints or something like that. If you check out the WM_HINTS for it using xprop, you'll notice that it says that it wants to start iconified for whatever reason, and if you restart E, it will indeed be iconified. My guess (totally unfounded) is that E expects it to start iconified, but then doesn't do it, which makes it ignore the remembered position, size, and desktop (since it's supposed to start minimized anyway). Could definitely be wrong about that... someone should probably look into it more closely. Jesse --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] ecore_config del + entrance.cfg patch
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 15:46:08 +0200 Hisham Mardam Bey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should consider to exchange your email client, it looks like it is broken. I can recommend sylpheed and squirrelmail, they both show Mortens patch as an attachment. i'll tell that to gmail staff. (= Sylpheed (well, sylpheed-claws) shows the patch inline with the message when you view the entire email, since the attachment is plain text, but also offers the option to view or save the patch separately as an attachment. Are you sure gmail doesn't do the same thing? Jesse --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] module error
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:30:54 -0500 James McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got this error when trying to add a module from the regular VT console and not from an xterm. I've also seen this error when an application I was running (not E17 related but I was running E17 at the time) froze X and I used Alt-Backspace to restart X. I restarted my computer and this fixed it up. Hope this helps! If you are running it from a VT, the DISPLAY environment variable won't be set, so enlightenment_remote won't know which X display running Enlightenment you are talking about. (It's entirely possible to be running E on two different X displays at once... how is enlightenment_remote supposed to know which one you are talking about?) Try either 'export DISPLAY=:0.0' before using enlightenment_remote from a VT, or use the -display option (like 'enlightenment_remote -display :0.0 -restart'). Jesse --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today Register for a JBoss Training Course. Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005. For more info visit: http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7628alloc_id=16845op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Eclair - volume adjust problem
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:43:36 +0100 Bu Bacoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello When I try to adjust volume in eclair (doesn't matter if with standrd or with gant theme), instead of moving the sound scroll bar control, whole window is moving. Also volume is being adjusted in some way, but not as it should be. Any patches out now? Thanks Bu Same here, and the same problem in elicit as well (making it pretty much unusable, since dragging the magnifier or dropper just makes the whole window move). Jesse --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminal
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:42:55 +0100 Morten Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James McCarthy wrote: Aterm is an excellent Eterm alternative. It's small and light and you really won't notice too much of a difference. It's mostly configurable by command line though, whereas Eterm let's you configure through menus as well. I'm not sure about the hyperlink part though. I tried aterm, and fail to see a single thing about aterm that is superiour to eterm.. Care to elaborate? It's smaller, less resource intensive, and doesn't include a lot of the features that Eterm has that aren't necessary. There isn't really anything better about it in terms of features, but I use it because it's smaller, and supports the few features that I use (transparency, configurable scrollback buffer size) and very few that I don't (menu bar, along with most of the configuration options there), and uses about half of the resources that Eterm does. Jesse --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminal
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:10:25 -0500 Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, 03 November 2005, at 14:01:11 (-0600), Jesse Luehrs wrote: It's smaller, less resource intensive, Neither of these is true. Eterm's default theme is simply fancier. Try the xterm or rxvt theme sometime. Those themes are smaller, but still not as small (according to ps at least... however accurate that is). and doesn't include a lot of the features that Eterm has that aren't necessary. Most features can be compiled out, and even if they're not, the blocks of code for unused features are never even loaded into memory. This is a fallacy. I'm not just talking about code size here, but about what is available by default as well (meaning what all I have to disable). I have no use for the menu, or for the scrollbar (personally, I don't think they look that great anyway), or background images, or anything like that, and to get rid of them, I have to disable all of them. The xterm theme is the closest to usable for me, but it's still not perfect, and configuring it to be how I want it is far more effort than passing a few options to aterm, whose defaults are far closer to what I want. I'm not saying that Eterm is bad, because it really does seem like a nice program with lots of cool features... it's just not what I am looking for in a terminal emulator. uses about half of the resources that Eterm does. That's what the aterm folks would like you to believe. It's simply not true. This is just my experience from looking at what my system reports their ram usage as. I can see now that half is a bit of an overstatement, with the proper theme, but it's still less as far as I can tell. Is there any reason why this would be inaccurate? Michael --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Engage bug
Open an application that has no associated .eap file. Go to a terminal and run e_util_eapp_edit, and create an eap for that application (or create it in some other way, it doesn't really matter), give it an icon, and save it in ~/.e/e/applications/all. Now try to close the application. The application itself will close, but enlightenment's border for the application will remain. Restarting enlightenment fixes it. This only happens when running engage. In pictures: Open the application: http://doy.illinexus.org/open-app.png Create the .eap file: http://doy.illinexus.org/create-eap.png Close the application: http://doy.illinexus.org/close-app.png Restart Enlightenment and reopen app: http://doy.illinexus.org/restart-e.png Jesse --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] key binding to module action
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:20:36 +0100 Morten Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anders Trobäck wrote: Morten Nilsen wrote: Hi, is there a way to bind an action that tells a module to do something? (ie.: bind Super_R to start module) Do you mean? enlightenment_remote -binding-key-add ANY t WIN 0 exec enlightenment_remote -module-enable ibar enlightenment_remote -binding-key-add ANY r WIN 0 exec enlightenment_remote -module-disable ibar no, I'm talking about the module named start Cheers, If you're talking about the menu that start uses, try enlightenment_remote -binding-key-add ANY t WIN 0 menu_show Jesse --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today * Register for a JBoss Training Course Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005 Visit http://www.jboss.com/services/certification for more information ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] A NEW AnonCVS mirror
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:43:48 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to our freinds at http://www.thinktux.net off in the Alps in Switzerland, we have a new Anonymous CVS Mirror. This will NOT ALLOW WRITES and it is not ALWAYS up to date with development CVS as it syncs every 30 minutes from development CVS, BUT it is at most 30 minutes behind, and apparently has a lot of bandwidth. So thanks om1n[A]e and null__ for helping set it up and managing it. You can check the details here: http://www.enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/Get_Enlightenment/index.html And you can check out a tree for e17 with this command: cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/root co e17 So everyone having problems getting into sf.net anonymous CVS, this is another option. :) Again. Thanks to om1n[A]e and null__ :) For all the Gentoo users out there, just do export ECVS_SERVER=thinktux.net:/root before emerging, and portage will use the new mirror. Jesse --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today * Register for a JBoss Training Course Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005 Visit http://www.jboss.com/services/certification for more information ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Gentoo update script for e17
If you are running e17 on Gentoo like me, and like using the ebuild
system for getting cvs updates, but don't like doing it manually, this
script could be useful. It updates all of the necessary e17 packages
(feel free to modify the list), and allows you to change things like
CFLAGS so that you can run e17 with different CFLAGS (like -g) without
having to remember to specify them. (Keep in mind, though, that CFLAGS
don't stack.) It also only recompiles packages that have been updated
in cvs since the last update, or, if you have genlop installed, ones
that were compiled with different CFLAGS previously. Just stick this
script in a cron job and get easy updates to e17 however often you want.
Jesse
#!/bin/bash
STATUS_LOG=/var/log/e_log
EMERGE_LOG=/var/log/e_emerge_log
export CFLAGS=-O2 -march=pentium4 -pipe -g
export FEATURES=nostrip
export ECVS_SERVER=thinktux.net:/root
rm -f ${STATUS_LOG} ${EMERGE_LOG}
build_package() {
emerge --oneshot $1 ${EMERGE_LOG}
if [[ $? -ne 0 ]]; then
echo Merging $1 failed. See ${EMERGE_LOG} for details.
${STATUS_LOG}
# force a cvs update next time so that this will be rebuilt every time
# until it is successful (in case of manual cancel, computer
# overheating, etc.)
rm -f /usr/portage/distfiles/cvs-src/${1/*\/}/AUTHORS
rm -f /usr/portage/distfiles/cvs-src/misc/${1/*\/}/AUTHORS
rm -f /usr/portage/distfiles/cvs-src/e17/*/${1/*\/}/AUTHORS
else
echo Done merging $1.
fi
}
for package in \
dev-libs/eet \
dev-db/edb \
x11-libs/evas \
x11-libs/ecore \
dev-libs/embryo \
media-libs/imlib2 \
media-libs/imlib2_loaders \
media-libs/edje \
media-libs/epeg \
media-libs/epsilon \
x11-libs/esmart \
media-libs/emotion \
dev-libs/engrave \
x11-libs/ewl \
media-gfx/entice \
x11-misc/entrance \
media-video/eclair \
x11-wm/e \
app-misc/examine \
x11-misc/engage \
dev-util/e_utils \
x11-plugins/e_modules \
media-gfx/elicit \
app-misc/evidence \
; do
echo ${package}: ${STATUS_LOG}
if [[ -x $( which genlop ) ]]; then
OLD_CFLAGS=$( echo -n $( genlop -i ${package} | grep CFLAGS | sed
s/CFLAGS=\\(.*\)\/\1/ ) )
if [[ ${CFLAGS} != ${OLD_CFLAGS} ]]; then
echo Merging ${package} due to changed CFLAGS. ${STATUS_LOG}
build_package ${package}
continue
fi
fi
EBUILD_PATH=/usr/portage/${package}/${package/*\/}-.ebuild
if [[ ! -f ${EBUILD_PATH} ]]; then
echo ${EBUILD_PATH} is not a file!
else
# otherwise unpack might just exit with 'WORKDIR is up to date'
ebuild ${EBUILD_PATH} clean
if ebuild ${EBUILD_PATH} unpack | sed '0,/update -dP/d; /Copying .*
from /,$d' | grep -q .; then
echo Merging ${package} due to CVS update. ${STATUS_LOG}
build_package ${package}
else
echo Skipping ${package}. ${STATUS_LOG}
fi
fi
done
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Re: [e-users] Gentoo update script for e17
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 05:45:57 -0600
Jesse Luehrs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Edit: This line
echo Done merging $1.
should be
echo Done merging $1. ${STATUS_LOG}
Sorry(:
Jesse
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Re: [e-users] E laggy?
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:41:43 +0100 ilLogict [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! For instance, open an internal config app (window locks, remember, focus settings, eap editor) and toggle between basic/advanced settings. You will see that it takes a long time (about 1s here) before the window border reappears... Cheers! I can confirm this, and say that it is an issue with engage; after unloading all modules, it works fine, but when loading engage, the delay in border drawing reappears. Jesse --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today * Register for a JBoss Training Course Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005 Visit http://www.jboss.com/services/certification for more information ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E laggy?
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:20:28 +0100 ilLogict [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! Strange, as I don't have engage, after testing, it seems it is due to the pager (???) After unloading it, everything reponds as before (starting apps, closing apps). Cheers! You're right, it seems both pager and engage cause the problem. And I didn't even notice the apps taking longer than usual to start up either, before, but I definitely see the difference there now. Jesse --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today * Register for a JBoss Training Course Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005 Visit http://www.jboss.com/services/certification for more information ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E laggy?
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:28:39 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to be a creeper, getting laggier very slowly over the session. Adding and removing stuff may just trigger the problem to start from no lag. It might still creep up to laggy. Makes it very hard to debug. I think this is a different issue... our (me and illogict) issue is always present, in the same quantity of lag, and without a memory leak, and can be triggered by certain modules being loaded, every time. On my machine, at least(: Jesse --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today * Register for a JBoss Training Course Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005 Visit http://www.jboss.com/services/certification for more information ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E laggy?
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:20:28 +0100 ilLogict [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! Strange, as I don't have engage, after testing, it seems it is due to the pager (???) After unloading it, everything reponds as before (starting apps, closing apps). Cheers! Doing some more testing, it seems that ibox causes the same issue, except it happens when minimizing/restoring the windows, rather than when creating/destroying them. ...except for how the issue stopped being caused by engage just now. But it's still consistent with ibox and pager. Jesse --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today * Register for a JBoss Training Course Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005 Visit http://www.jboss.com/services/certification for more information ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E laggy?
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 06:37:06 -0600 Jesse Luehrs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...except for how the issue stopped being caused by engage just now. But it's still consistent with ibox and pager. Jesse Scratch that. Engage causes the issue only with the weird resizing thing that the focus settings dialog uses when you click on 'advanced settings', but not on creation/destruction. Pager does it for both. Jesse --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today * Register for a JBoss Training Course Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005 Visit http://www.jboss.com/services/certification for more information ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E laggy?
Sent this out earlier, but it got blocked for being too big... you can grab the attachment at http://doy.illinexus.org/gprof_tests.tar.bz2 On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 06:31:36 -0600 Jesse Luehrs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this is a different issue... our (me and illogict) issue is always present, in the same quantity of lag, and without a memory leak, and can be triggered by certain modules being loaded, every time. On my machine, at least(: Jesse Okay, so. Today, I rebuilt e + all deps with profiling support (CFLAGS=-O2 -march=pentium4 -pipe -g -pg), and decided to test out these issues with gprof. I disabled all modules, disabled all startup items, disabled the splash screen, turned the framerate down to 1, and then ran a few tests. Attached are the gprof outputs for the tests. engage-focus-settings.gprof: After enabling engage, I started e, opened the focus settings dialog, and switched back and forth between basic and advanced settings around 50 times or so. nothing-focus-settings.gprof: Same as above, but without engage loaded. ibox-minimize-restore.gprof: After enabling ibox, I started e, opened gvim, and minimized it and restored it about 25 times or so. nothing-minimize-restore.gprof: Same as above, but without ibox loaded. pager-open-close.gprof: After enabling pager, I started e, and then opened and closed gvim about 25 times or so. nothing-open-close.gprof: Same as above, but without pager loaded. Let me know if there is anything else I can do. Jesse --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today * Register for a JBoss Training Course Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005 Visit http://www.jboss.com/services/certification for more information ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] How to use engage?
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:48:20 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I tried the engage module in E17 and I simple don't understand the way engage works. It seems to display all started applications. And if I press this icons they start again. I don't understand how this helps me. There is yet the ibox to start applications. And why should I start an application again that is yet running? So could someone explain how to use engage and how engage help me to manage my applications? regards Andreas If you hover over the big icons in the dock, smaller ones should appear above the big ones representing the currently running processes. There are plenty of reasons to start multiple copies of an application (terminals, text editors, etc), and if I can use just engage rather than engage + ibar, that's a good thing i think(: Jesse --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the JBoss Inc. Get Certified Today * Register for a JBoss Training Course Free Certification Exam for All Training Attendees Through End of 2005 Visit http://www.jboss.com/services/certification for more information ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
