Re: [e-users] Issue with monitor after updating EFL
On 02/11/14 04:19, Morten Nilsen wrote: Incidentally, it seemed that that E crashed each time it was blanking earlier today.. I enabled presentation mode to make it stop. This turned out to be a misunderstanding on my part.. It did not crash, but vlc video froze each time blanking started, and unfroze when I hit F1 out of reflex, as that cancelled the blanking. -- Cheers, Morten :wq -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Issue with monitor after updating EFL
On 01/11/14 02:46, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: - The Display Port powers down on sleep, making e mess up my desktop through hot plug detection. hmm. interesting. so the monitor is being unplugged as far as sw is concerned. Yes indeed. I have now worked around the issue by running everything over DVI. As I only had 2 DVI ports, this does mean I've had to hack it up a bit with a HDMI-DVI converter :p But at least I can once more turn my monitors off without things getting messy. likely missing screensaver extension support in vlc - i added this fgeature to efl a little bit ago so rage could do just this. i do know it works (when in fullscreen mode). vlc does have an option to Inhibit the power management daemon during playback, which is enabled.. maybe it's not working? i know it should use the xscreensaver extn inhibit protocol. thats what efl is using. VLC uses xdg-screensaver from xdg-utils for this, according to this: https://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/4739 343.22 on arch Current stable nvidia is 340.46 -- Cheers, Morten -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Issue with monitor after updating EFL
On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 19:47:36 +0100 Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no said: On 01/11/14 02:46, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: - The Display Port powers down on sleep, making e mess up my desktop through hot plug detection. hmm. interesting. so the monitor is being unplugged as far as sw is concerned. Yes indeed. I have now worked around the issue by running everything over DVI. As I only had 2 DVI ports, this does mean I've had to hack it up a bit with a HDMI-DVI converter :p But at least I can once more turn my monitors off without things getting messy. likely missing screensaver extension support in vlc - i added this fgeature to efl a little bit ago so rage could do just this. i do know it works (when in fullscreen mode). vlc does have an option to Inhibit the power management daemon during playback, which is enabled.. maybe it's not working? i know it should use the xscreensaver extn inhibit protocol. thats what efl is using. VLC uses xdg-screensaver from xdg-utils for this, according to this: https://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/4739 that's a bit silly when there is an actual real x extension protocol for exactly this purpose. the only thing that might be better is a window hint and let the wm control it - then it can change policy based on the state of the window (visible or not, fullscreen or not, on current desktop or not - maybe only affect no-blank on that particular screen (though not possible in x11with dpms etc. - just the blacking out of the screen) etc.) 343.22 on arch Current stable nvidia is 340.46 -- Cheers, Morten -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Issue with monitor after updating EFL
On 02/11/14 03:02, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: VLC uses xdg-screensaver from xdg-utils for this, according to this: https://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/4739 that's a bit silly when there is an actual real x extension protocol for exactly this purpose. I can't comment on the vlc devs decisions, obviously.. Could they maybe have ended up with that solution due to the cross platform nature of VLC? I would not expect an application that gets used heavily on windows to take full advantage of X11 protocols.. But looking at the usage for xdg-screensaver, it does sound like a useful thing. I have no idea how it works though, it certainly doesn't for me.. the only thing that might be better is a window hint and let the wm control it - then it can change policy based on the state of the window (visible or not, fullscreen or not, on current desktop or not - maybe only affect no-blank on that particular screen (though not possible in x11with dpms etc. - just the blacking out of the screen) etc.) Sounds good to me, but apparently, a full screen VLC isn't fullscreen.. I do have the Disable blanking for Fullscreen Windows setting ticked, but it does still blank. Incidentally, it seemed that that E crashed each time it was blanking earlier today.. I enabled presentation mode to make it stop. -- Cheers, Morten -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Issue with monitor after updating EFL
On 30/10/14 00:17, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: just let them blank and auto-sleep? I have two problems with this method; - The HDMI monitor never sleeps, probably due to the HDMI replicator. - The Display Port powers down on sleep, making e mess up my desktop through hot plug detection. likely missing screensaver extension support in vlc - i added this fgeature to efl a little bit ago so rage could do just this. i do know it works (when in fullscreen mode). vlc does have an option to Inhibit the power management daemon during playback, which is enabled.. yes - i'm on arch... it moves along pretty fast to latest drivers. :) Arch releases the drivers nvidia have on their web-page, or is it some other driver set? I'm using the stable drivers, btw. -- Cheers, Morten :wq -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Issue with monitor after updating EFL
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 20:15:16 +0100 Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no said: On 30/10/14 00:17, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: just let them blank and auto-sleep? I have two problems with this method; - The HDMI monitor never sleeps, probably due to the HDMI replicator. - The Display Port powers down on sleep, making e mess up my desktop through hot plug detection. hmm. interesting. so the monitor is being unplugged as far as sw is concerned. likely missing screensaver extension support in vlc - i added this fgeature to efl a little bit ago so rage could do just this. i do know it works (when in fullscreen mode). vlc does have an option to Inhibit the power management daemon during playback, which is enabled.. maybe it's not working? i know it should use the xscreensaver extn inhibit protocol. thats what efl is using. yes - i'm on arch... it moves along pretty fast to latest drivers. :) Arch releases the drivers nvidia have on their web-page, or is it some other driver set? I'm using the stable drivers, btw. 343.22 on arch -- Cheers, Morten :wq -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Issue with monitor after updating EFL
On 29/10/14 00:24, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: btw - why turn them off? Mainly for two reasons; - I want to have them off when I use the projector that is connected via a HDMI replicator to the same port as my right hand monitor. - Wasting power on a screen nobody is watching rubs me the wrong way. just let them blank and auto-sleep? I don't trust screen blanking - I've had far to many experiences with jittery mice keeping things awake, plus it's real annoying when you are watching a long movie - vlc screen blanking prevention seems to not work.. Also, I just like being in control of when the monitors are on or off. i have nvidia and never have this problem. even if i press power on my monitors to power them off (on nvidia). i can't see your issue Are you using the latest proprietary drivers? I also updated those recently, and that may have been the real source of my problems. Maybe they implemented HPD support or something? i have recently seen new issues with screen setup dialog on intel though i wish i had the time to dig in. We all wish we had more time for everything ^_^ -- Cheers, Morten :wq -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Issue with monitor after updating EFL
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 22:12:09 +0200 Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no wrote: Hello! I recently built new RPMs of EFL and friends (the alpha releases) and installed them on my desktop computer. I also rebuilt enlightenment and terminology. Things seem relatively OK, except for a couple issues. One I reported already, and is to do with the IME of mozc - Though I do not know if that is caused by E or not. The other one, has happened to me now twice in two days; I leave my computer running, but switch the three monitors off. One monitor is a 4K screen, the other two are 1080p When I switch my screens back on, the 4K monitor is no longer part of my screen. The only way I've been able to solve it is to log out of E, restart X and then change the primary display to the 4K monitor and finally restart E to get my desktops back the correct way. Is this something that makes sense to anyone? Got any suggestions? I use three monitors. I do it with the two DVI interfaces on the card, plus I use an 'active' DisplayPort to DVI dongle on the card's DP. It's a Radeon 7850 incidentally. I use an xrandr script to setup the monitors in the lxdm configuration for lxdm, and again from /etc/X11/Xsession.d/. The DP monitor is primary, and is the center screen. Fairly recently - I'd say a month or so ago - usually my monitor on the dongle, but not always - will not come back on after physically shutting them down. And, it's inconsistent on how/when it happens. It has happened overnight when the monitor is still on too. For me, if I disconnect the USB power interface to the active dongle, wait a minute, then plug it back in, it'll 'jiggle the handle' and come back on about 80% of the time. If that fails, and always for the other monitors when they do it, I need to reboot to fix it (restarting a bunch of shit would probably do it to). I tried blanking, but that didn't help. I now simply turn off blanking, and never shut off the monitors. Yeah it wastes juice, but it's better than waking up in the morning, and not being able to access my desktop (I never shut my box off). I use lightdm as a starting login screen, and if I leave it there without logging in for a while, the DP always goes down. So, I don't think this (mine anyway) issue is happening in enlightenment actually, but something much lower down. There's a lot of hoops being jumped through between the physical card and e... Maybe our issues are related somehow? I'm running Debian jessie@sid, but on the packaged e17.6. -- Regards, Christopher Barry Random geeky fortune: The trouble with telling a good story is that it invariably reminds the other fellow of a dull one. -- Sid Caesar -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Issue with monitor after updating EFL
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:57:26 +0100 Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no said: On 29/10/14 00:24, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: btw - why turn them off? Mainly for two reasons; - I want to have them off when I use the projector that is connected via a HDMI replicator to the same port as my right hand monitor. - Wasting power on a screen nobody is watching rubs me the wrong way. just let them blank and auto-sleep? I don't trust screen blanking - I've had far to many experiences with jittery mice keeping things awake, plus it's real annoying when you are watching a long movie - vlc screen blanking prevention seems to not work.. Also, I just like being in control of when the monitors are on or off. likely missing screensaver extension support in vlc - i added this fgeature to efl a little bit ago so rage could do just this. i do know it works (when in fullscreen mode). :) you have bd mice if they jitter. i've never had that - ever. i have nvidia and never have this problem. even if i press power on my monitors to power them off (on nvidia). i can't see your issue Are you using the latest proprietary drivers? I also updated those recently, and that may have been the real source of my problems. Maybe they implemented HPD support or something? yes - i'm on arch... it moves along pretty fast to latest drivers. :) i have recently seen new issues with screen setup dialog on intel though i wish i had the time to dig in. We all wish we had more time for everything ^_^ -- Cheers, Morten :wq -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Issue with monitor after updating EFL
On 25/10/14 21:57, Morten Nilsen wrote: I was unable to fix it, so I've replaced the DP link for a HDMI link for now. Not so, it seems.. I discovered I am getting the same with the monitor connected by HDMI, and I'm all out of DVI ports now. After some googling, I came across this option; Option ConnectedMonitor DFP-0,DFP-1,DFP-4 With this on my Device entry in xorg.conf, screens don't get detected as disconnected when I power them off in gnome, but with e, my desktop gets messed up when I turn them off. It seems pretty clear to me that E is doing something wrong here. If at least my desktops were restored back to how they were before I shut off the screens in question, it wouldn't be such a big deal. But having to turn screens on and restart e multiple times as well as change a setting each time I turn monitors on and off is a big problem. Is there some way I can tell e to stop messing with monitor layouts? Hoping I can stop using gnome soon, it's causing me lots of minor annoyances :p -- Cheers, Morten :wq -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Issue with monitor after updating EFL
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 23:01:16 +0100 Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no said: On 25/10/14 21:57, Morten Nilsen wrote: I was unable to fix it, so I've replaced the DP link for a HDMI link for now. Not so, it seems.. I discovered I am getting the same with the monitor connected by HDMI, and I'm all out of DVI ports now. After some googling, I came across this option; Option ConnectedMonitor DFP-0,DFP-1,DFP-4 With this on my Device entry in xorg.conf, screens don't get detected as disconnected when I power them off in gnome, but with e, my desktop gets messed up when I turn them off. It seems pretty clear to me that E is doing something wrong here. If at least my desktops were restored back to how they were before I shut off the screens in question, it wouldn't be such a big deal. But having to turn screens on and restart e multiple times as well as change a setting each time I turn monitors on and off is a big problem. Is there some way I can tell e to stop messing with monitor layouts? Hoping I can stop using gnome soon, it's causing me lots of minor annoyances :p btw - why turn them off? just let them blank and auto-sleep? i have nvidia and never have this problem. even if i press power on my monitors to power them off (on nvidia). i can't see your issue - (i have recently seen new issues with screen setup dialog on intel though - i wish i had the time to dig in). -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Issue with monitor after updating EFL
On 23/10/14 22:12, Morten Nilsen wrote: When I switch my screens back on, the 4K monitor is no longer part of my screen. The only way I've been able to solve it is to log out of E, restart X and then change the primary display to the 4K monitor and finally restart E to get my desktops back the correct way. I think I have worked this out now The screen in question is connecting using a displayport. So I think it is HPD that is causing this. This page had some relevant information, even though I have an nvidia: http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd/ I also found some other posts where people were complaining of similar issues on windows, with nvidia. Has something changed with regards to HPD in enlightenment lately? I was running the RPMs from fedoramd before, and this started happening after I upgraded to my own (runsafe) RPMs. -- Cheers, Morten :wq -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Issue with monitor after updating EFL
On 25/10/14 19:04, Morten Nilsen wrote: I think I have worked this out now The screen in question is connecting using a displayport. So I think it is HPD that is causing this. I was unable to fix it, so I've replaced the DP link for a HDMI link for now. -- Cheers, Morten :wq -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Issue with monitor after updating EFL
Hello! I recently built new RPMs of EFL and friends (the alpha releases) and installed them on my desktop computer. I also rebuilt enlightenment and terminology. Things seem relatively OK, except for a couple issues. One I reported already, and is to do with the IME of mozc - Though I do not know if that is caused by E or not. The other one, has happened to me now twice in two days; I leave my computer running, but switch the three monitors off. One monitor is a 4K screen, the other two are 1080p When I switch my screens back on, the 4K monitor is no longer part of my screen. The only way I've been able to solve it is to log out of E, restart X and then change the primary display to the 4K monitor and finally restart E to get my desktops back the correct way. Is this something that makes sense to anyone? Got any suggestions? -- Cheers, Morten :wq -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
