Re: [eug-lug]IRC
At one point I belive #euglug was setup, but I dont think anybody really used it... There is always #linux, #, and # I sometime yack in #linux and #slackware, but Im not always available (even if Im logged in) I would ofcourse suggest using irc.freenode.net for an IRC service, there are many #linux's out there... Jamie On Monday 17 November 2003 10:03 pm, Tim Howe wrote: : Didn't there used to be an IRC channel that user group people hung out in? : : --TimH : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Linux! Guerrilla UNIX Development Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus. -- Mark A. Horton KA4YBR, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]IRC
Didn't there used to be an IRC channel that user group people hung out in? --TimH ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]a simple ftp server (for internal use)
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:13:29AM +, Wayne Scace wrote: > Hi Gang, > Wayne K9DI es Leader Dog Patriot. I'm attempting to install > OpenBSD 3.4 on my laptop and have had good success up to the point where > it wants to install sets. At that point, things go rapidly south. > There's trouble with name resolution so I cannot ftp the sets from > outside my lan. For this problem, you pobably didn't set the network info correctly. You can break out of the installer to a root shell by hitting Ctl-C at just about any time. When you get to the point where you have name resolution problems, do a Ctl-C and then check that `cat /etc/resolv.conf` looks right. It should be something like: nameserver 192.168.1.88 lookup file bind If it doesn't look right, simply: # echo "nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\nlookup file bind" > /etc/resolv.conf (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP address of a nameserver) also check to see that you have routing correct while in the shell: # route -n show -inet The route(8) manpage for OpenBSD is on the web at http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=route&sektion=8 You can restart the install by typing 'install' at the prompt, and it _should_ use the info you just changed. > I dl'd and burned an iso of the sets, but when I try to > use it I get the dreaded "The directory "foo" does not exist". This has caught me a few times also. The easiest thing to do is setup a directory structure on the ISO like on the ftp site, ie 3.4/ i386/ bsd bsd.rd base34.tgz ... Mount your CD and make sure the directory layout is like that. If it doesn't look like that, show me what it does look like, and I'll let you know how to make it work. > What I'm > considering is setting up an ftp server on my workstation where the > files are and trying to snag 'em over the lan. So the main question is: > how hard is it to setup a small ftp server (temporarily) so I can finish > the OpenBSD install? Unless you really want to learn how to run an ftp server, it's probably not worth the effort. > Eventually, I'd like to replace IPCOP on the > router/firewall with OpenBSD. Good luck, and let me know how it goes :) -- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]a simple ftp server (for internal use)
Hi Gang, Wayne K9DI es Leader Dog Patriot. I'm attempting to install OpenBSD 3.4 on my laptop and have had good success up to the point where it wants to install sets. At that point, things go rapidly south. There's trouble with name resolution so I cannot ftp the sets from outside my lan. I dl'd and burned an iso of the sets, but when I try to use it I get the dreaded "The directory "foo" does not exist". What I'm considering is setting up an ftp server on my workstation where the files are and trying to snag 'em over the lan. So the main question is: how hard is it to setup a small ftp server (temporarily) so I can finish the OpenBSD install? Eventually, I'd like to replace IPCOP on the router/firewall with OpenBSD. TIA 73 de Wayne K9DI -- Sincerely and Respectfully Yours Wayne M. Scace | "OSS: what a thing of beauty [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "Ham Radio and OSS: What a TEAM!! www.k9di.org | "Reading is for everyone!!! LICQ#315313 | "Meet Leader Dog Patriot!! ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?
Grigsby, Garl wrote: Are you sure that was PCPartsxpress and not edgemicro (formerly known as Computer X Press)? PCPartsxpress has a small shop right off Q Street (across the street from Safeway). Right you are. I didn't know them as Edge Micro, just Computer X Press. Edgemicro, has stopped doing business after a few, uh, legal problems. After a large number of people complained about paying for stuff and never getting it the DOJ stepped in and basically shut them down. There was an article in the RG about it a few months ago. Wow, didn't hear about that. Interesting. Have to see if I can dig up a link on the RG's web site. The folks at PCPartsxpress have ok prices, but the people in there are fairly clueless. They are fine if you are in a bind and need a bit and you know exactly what you need and have an idea of what it should cost. Some things are ok, others are outrageous. Now that you mention it, I think I went in there once. Strange little house with an odd assortment of computer... stuff. Not sure what the target market is for that place, but I didn't get a very good geek vibe from it. -Brad ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
Ben Barrett wrote: > I like Linux on BIOS, but hearing about how many mobo's had to get > thrashed down at Los Alamos's ACL (by Matt) made me, well, scared. > I'm looking forward to some end-user-ready linux bios systems! > > I know it boots much faster, but why would you have to have a linux bios > (if you already do boot from CF) in order to have a 100% solid state > linux system? > >Ben > > PS - the main reason I saw for linux-bios was foreshortened boot > times... what were the others again? The other advantage is that you don't have the kernel (and grub) taking up space on your CF disk. That's about it. Booting from CompactFlash is fine (and doesn't risk trashing your motherboard). -- Bob Miller K kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
I like Linux on BIOS, but hearing about how many mobo's had to get thrashed down at Los Alamos's ACL (by Matt) made me, well, scared. I'm looking forward to some end-user-ready linux bios systems! I know it boots much faster, but why would you have to have a linux bios (if you already do boot from CF) in order to have a 100% solid state linux system? Ben PS - the main reason I saw for linux-bios was foreshortened boot times... what were the others again? On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:02:03 -0800 Bob Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Ben Barrett wrote: | | > ...that's what I thought you meant. Well, you can have that today! | > Just put in the IDE-CF adapter, and the "special" magical mystery | > memory is a CF that you boot from. It is "programmable" as you call | > it, meaning you can write a new OS to it, and it is nonvolatile. | > The problem with using a DIMM socket for this, as I see it, is that | > today's motherboards (and yesterday's) are created to handle RAM and | > drives, but not either on the other's interface! So, to do this you | > put CF on the *IDE* interface, and RAM on the *memory* interface. | | Even better, flash Linux onto your BIOS. The BIOS is also nonvolatile | memory, and it's directly addressable from the CPU. That's what the | LinuxBIOS project is all about. | | With a Linux BIOS and a CF root drive, you could have a 100% solid | state Linux box. | | > Can anyone speak at greater length about this? Is it the North | > bridge?(The south bridge handles PCI, right? or does it also do the | > IDE?) | | Not me. | | -- ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
RE: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?
> PCPartsExpress used to be great. They have/had 'national warehouse' > prices, and you could make an order and then just drive over > and pick it > up.. they're in Springfield, in the light industrial district between > Gateway Mall and I-105. However, I guess they got tired of > being a local > retail chain because after about 4-5 months they decided that > they were > only going to ship - no local pickups. Oh well. > Are you sure that was PCPartsxpress and not edgemicro (formerly known as Computer X Press)? PCPartsxpress has a small shop right off Q Street (across the street from Safeway). Edgemicro, has stopped doing business after a few, uh, legal problems. After a large number of people complained about paying for stuff and never getting it the DOJ stepped in and basically shut them down. There was an article in the RG about it a few months ago. The folks at PCPartsxpress have ok prices, but the people in there are fairly clueless. They are fine if you are in a bind and need a bit and you know exactly what you need and have an idea of what it should cost. Some things are ok, others are outrageous. Garl ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
Ben Barrett wrote: > ...that's what I thought you meant. Well, you can have that today! > Just put in the IDE-CF adapter, and the "special" magical mystery memory > is a CF that you boot from. It is "programmable" as you call it, > meaning you can write a new OS to it, and it is nonvolatile. > The problem with using a DIMM socket for this, as I see it, is that > today's motherboards (and yesterday's) are created to handle RAM and > drives, but not either on the other's interface! So, to do this you put > CF on the *IDE* interface, and RAM on the *memory* interface. Even better, flash Linux onto your BIOS. The BIOS is also nonvolatile memory, and it's directly addressable from the CPU. That's what the LinuxBIOS project is all about. With a Linux BIOS and a CF root drive, you could have a 100% solid state Linux box. > Can anyone speak at greater length about this? Is it the North bridge? > (The south bridge handles PCI, right? or does it also do the IDE?) Not me. -- Bob Miller K kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]"The Programmer's Stone"
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:55:24PM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote: > >On 20031115.1840, Patrick R. Wade said ... > >> I mentioned this to several people today who hadn't remembered it: >> >> http://www.reciprocality.org/Reciprocality/index.html > >Can you give me the background on this link? I've read about half of >the first chapter of the first article and it is interesting reading, >but I'm not sure what context I'm reading it in. :) > I was reminded of it by a discussion i was hearing about the role of the school system in promoting status-quo thinking. -- "That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX." "Well, that's something," Avi says. "Normally those two are mutually exclusive."--Neal Stephenson, "Cryptonomicon" ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?
PCPartsExpress used to be great. They have/had 'national warehouse' prices, and you could make an order and then just drive over and pick it up.. they're in Springfield, in the light industrial district between Gateway Mall and I-105. However, I guess they got tired of being a local retail chain because after about 4-5 months they decided that they were only going to ship - no local pickups. Oh well. Since then I've been giving my business to ComputerBase, I know quite a few people who do so as well. Gotta remember to haggle - if you've seen it for significantly less online, mention it. Don't expect to get it for the same price (you're not paying shipping, and they have to make a profit somehow), but you may save yourself a few bucks. -Brad Jason wrote: kbob mentioned Computerbase as a place in Eugene to buy custom PCs/components; does anyone else have recommendations for this or other places to buy custom systems in town? I'd like to buy local and will be needing a new system when I get back to Eugene. I will probably be getting case/power supply/motherboard/CPU/ram and finishing it off with junk I already have. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:27:10 -0500 Linux Rocks ! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... | Id stick with computer base or pctraining... most of the other small | shops are kind of expensive, and look at you funny when you mention | linux. VOS seems to be getting wiser: we have procured many systems from them that do *NOT* contain an OS. This is a big plus for Eugene's *nix GNU/Linux crowd... yay, no useless licensing fees bundled in! Admittedly, they are not linux experts AFAIK, but who is? Oh, yeah. Mike... Ben ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?
I've heard this from a number of other folks, too, but I for one have not [yet] had any problems with them... they are the hardware suppliers for Lunar Logic and seem to do us well so far. If there are problems with them in the future, I'll suggest ComputerBase to my superiors... but I did want to put in a "yay" for VOS, from my perspective. Ben On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:10:14 -0800 Christopher Maujean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | My experience is that VOS has given me problems. ComputerBase rocks. | ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?
Ill chime in too and confirm pretty much the same thing others are saying... computer base has really good friendly service, and knowlegable employees, one of which has been a eug-lug member for a couple years now. VOS - Id never recommend... Stan (PCtrainingCenter) is a crusty old bugger, but a decent enough fella, and does support linux. He hosted the clinics for about 5 years. go in and tell him you need stuff that works with linux, and he will only sell you stuff that works with linux. Id stick with computer base or pctraining... most of the other small shops are kind of expensive, and look at you funny when you mention linux. Jamie On Monday 17 November 2003 05:10 pm, Christopher Maujean wrote: : Jason wrote: : >Hey, : > : >kbob mentioned Computerbase as a place in Eugene to : >buy custom PCs/components; does anyone else have : >recommendations for this or other places to buy custom : >systems in town? I'd like to buy local and will be : >needing a new system when I get back to Eugene. I will : >probably be getting case/power : >supply/motherboard/CPU/ram and finishing it off with : >junk I already have. : > : >Positive and negative comments are appreciated. : > : >Thanks, : >Jason : > : >__ : >Do you Yahoo!? : >Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard : >http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree : >___ : >EuG-LUG mailing list : >[EMAIL PROTECTED] : >http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug : : My experience is that VOS has given me problems. ComputerBase rocks. : : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;) -- Linus Torvalds, about his failing hard drive on linux.cs.helsinki.fi ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug] NewsFlash - SUN-Linux default desktop in China! from COMDEX
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Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
yeah... Ive been considering something like that. I have a cf pcmcia adapter, and cant find my camera... I saw a cf card on sale somewhere (think it was like 256mb. I could build a small system on that card (maybe even have X on it. or possibly a wireless firewall box (put a wireless card in the other slot, and you a have a wireless gateway. Jamie On Monday 17 November 2003 04:49 pm, Ben Barrett wrote: : ...that's what I thought you meant. Well, you can have that today! : Just put in the IDE-CF adapter, and the "special" magical mystery memory : is a CF that you boot from. It is "programmable" as you call it, : meaning you can write a new OS to it, and it is nonvolatile. : The problem with using a DIMM socket for this, as I see it, is that : today's motherboards (and yesterday's) are created to handle RAM and : drives, but not either on the other's interface! So, to do this you put : CF on the *IDE* interface, and RAM on the *memory* interface. : Can anyone speak at greater length about this? Is it the North bridge? : (The south bridge handles PCI, right? or does it also do the IDE?) : : ciao, : :Ben : : : On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:33:29 -0500 : : Linux Rocks ! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: : | What I was thinking was something like a simm(dimm... whatever) that : | you pop in where you would normally have simm/dimms (say you have 3 : | slots, put one that is the operating system, the other 2 are primary : | storage as usual) The one simm would be nonvolitle ram so it doesnt go : | away on power cycle. It wold ofcourse want to be programmable so you : | can upgrade the OS. really a simple concept... : | : | Jamie : : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø The Famous Joke of the Day One Liner! It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit. - Harry S Truman ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?
Jason wrote: Hey, kbob mentioned Computerbase as a place in Eugene to buy custom PCs/components; does anyone else have recommendations for this or other places to buy custom systems in town? I'd like to buy local and will be needing a new system when I get back to Eugene. I will probably be getting case/power supply/motherboard/CPU/ram and finishing it off with junk I already have. Positive and negative comments are appreciated. Thanks, Jason __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug My experience is that VOS has given me problems. ComputerBase rocks. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]"The Programmer's Stone"
On 20031115.1840, Patrick R. Wade said ... > I mentioned this to several people today who hadn't remembered it: > > http://www.reciprocality.org/Reciprocality/index.html Can you give me the background on this link? I've read about half of the first chapter of the first article and it is interesting reading, but I'm not sure what context I'm reading it in. :) Thanks, Rob ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
...that's what I thought you meant. Well, you can have that today! Just put in the IDE-CF adapter, and the "special" magical mystery memory is a CF that you boot from. It is "programmable" as you call it, meaning you can write a new OS to it, and it is nonvolatile. The problem with using a DIMM socket for this, as I see it, is that today's motherboards (and yesterday's) are created to handle RAM and drives, but not either on the other's interface! So, to do this you put CF on the *IDE* interface, and RAM on the *memory* interface. Can anyone speak at greater length about this? Is it the North bridge? (The south bridge handles PCI, right? or does it also do the IDE?) ciao, Ben On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:33:29 -0500 Linux Rocks ! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | What I was thinking was something like a simm(dimm... whatever) that | you pop in where you would normally have simm/dimms (say you have 3 | slots, put one that is the operating system, the other 2 are primary | storage as usual) The one simm would be nonvolitle ram so it doesnt go | away on power cycle. It wold ofcourse want to be programmable so you | can upgrade the OS. really a simple concept... | | Jamie ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
What I was thinking was something like a simm(dimm... whatever) that you pop in where you would normally have simm/dimms (say you have 3 slots, put one that is the operating system, the other 2 are primary storage as usual) The one simm would be nonvolitle ram so it doesnt go away on power cycle. It wold ofcourse want to be programmable so you can upgrade the OS. really a simple concept... Jamie On Monday 17 November 2003 03:04 pm, Ben Barrett wrote: : "Id like to see a system that more like a few gig and be part of the : system ram, like a simm that you pop in and is electronicly : re-programmable, but non-volitile. and hard drives that didnt come on : unless you needed them and ofcourse dirt cheap so that everyone : could have them!" -Jamie : : This sounds a lot like CF on IDE... and although it is not generally : part of system memory on IDE, you could make it a swap : partition (yikes!) although you do want to be very careful about the : lifetime write-cycle of CF and other NV storage. They are now : relatively "dirt cheap" and the first thing you'd need is a CF-IDE : adapter, which I think can be had for ~$20. Great for embedded systems, : solid-state systems (ie, no moving parts), and the like... : : Are you thinking of something else? Like a hot-swappable non-volatile : DIMM that works in existing systems (as if any but top-end servers do : hot-swappable memory!) and somehow also acts as a drive? : That'd be nice, heh. : : ciao, : :Ben : : : : On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:57:23 -0500 : : Linux Rocks ! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: : | On Saturday 15 November 2003 09:47 pm, Bob Miller wrote: : | : Linux Rocks ! wrote: : | : > I liked the commodore much better than the apple 2... neither were : | : > all that great, but the commodore would boot w/out a disk, which : | : | is: > a decent feature I wish carried over in the modern computing : | : | world!: : | : We have Linux boxes and distros that will boot from floppy, from : | : | flash: memory (CompactFlash or USB), over Ethernet using PXE, or from : | CD-ROM.: I think your wish has been granted. : | : | forgot about CF... that is an option... its still not as nice as rom : | though... I think the commodore OS was about 25k, nowadays it would : | have to be a few meg at least... Id like to see a system that more : | like a few gig and be part of the system ram, like a simm that you pop : | in and is electronicly re-programmable, but non-volitile. and hard : | drives that didnt come on unless you needed them and ofcourse dirt : | cheap so that everyone could have them! : | : | Jamie : | : | -- : | Dijkstra probably hates me. : | -- Linus Torvalds, in kernel/sched.c : : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Some people have told me they don't think a fat penguin really embodies the grace of Linux, which just tells me they have never seen a angry penguin charging at them in excess of 100mph. They'd be a lot more careful about what they say if they had. -- Linus Torvalds, announcing Linux v2.0 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM Woes
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 10:53:55AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: > I'm not getting warm fuzzies about the proliferation of package > managers that TDFKAR (The Distribution Formerly Known As RedHat) is > using. Package management and version synchronization is hard enough > without introducing three different package managers all with slightly > different semantics and slightly different sets of packages available. Aren't they all just frontends to rpm? -- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?
Bob Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >Cory Petkovsek wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 10:08:24AM -0800, Jason wrote: >> > Hey, >> > >> > kbob mentioned Computerbase as a place in Eugene to buy custom >> > PCs/components; does anyone else have recommendations for this or >> > other places to buy custom systems in town? I'd like to buy local and >> > will be needing a new system when I get back to Eugene. I will >> > probably be getting case/power supply/motherboard/CPU/ram and >> > finishing it off with junk I already have. >> > >> > Positive and negative comments are appreciated. >> >> Computer Base - I've gotten a few systems there. They are currently >> putting together another used system for me. One of the guys there is >> on this list. I recommend them. >> >> Vos - been there as a last resort for parts. >> >> PC Parts Express - Haven't been there. pcpartsexpress.com > >There's also Stan's. Stan's's real name is PC Training Center, though >it's all PC sales and no training so far as I can tell. Stan hosted >EUGLUG in the early days. > >I'm pretty happy with Mike and Michael at ComputerBase. If you don't >know exactly what you want, Mike's advice is great. If you do know >what you want, then their prices are comparable to the prices at the >reputable on-line stores (e.g., NewEgg or ZipZoomFly). They also >stand by what they sell. Replaced a power supply for me for free a >couple of months ago, for example. > I guess I'll have to second (third?) that. I like them so much, they have become the hardware department for Assured Computing. Bob -- Assured Computing When you need to be sure. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 Eugene, Oregon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
Yes!! You rock, Bob! Well put. Looks like the SCO-brained analysis and G5-speccing mentalities are merging; here's one: I have this computer in my closet that has an *infinitely* better price-performance ratio than ANY computer you can buy today, it was free. Ben PS - for those looking at averatech laptops, see this page: http://www.buy.com/retail/searchresults.asp?mfgID=10539&loc=101&search_store=1&qu=*&querytype=comp&mp=51 (there is a DVD-RW/CD-RW-happy model for $1300 after $100 rebate; about one inch thick) On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:34:44 -0800 Bob Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | T. Joseph Carter wrote: | | > Let's see what Dell has to say. | > | > $2824 | | This is a fairly silly comparison. Why match every useless feature | Steve saw fit to bundle into the G5? Instead, let's see what Apple | would charge for a Mac that matches the box ComputerBase built for me | in July. | | I needed a new motherboard, CPU, and RAM. I chose a P4 | (hyperthreaded, 800 MHz FSB, 2.4GHz), 2 GB of PC3200 RAM, and an Intel | D865PERL. (Not my first choice of motherboard, but I needed the new | computer the same day. So for comparison, use the prices charged at | The Macintosh Store on 8th. (-: ) I didn't need disk drives (already | had 'em with RedHat and two years' work preinstalled), CD-ROM, DVD, | video, sound, firewire, NIC, case, power supply, or video editing | software. | | The closest thing, pricewise, in the Apple Store, is a 1.6 GHz G5. | With 2GB RAM, it's $2945. Never mind that if I'd bought a Mac that | day, I'd also need a new display and all new software, which is never | free on Macs. Oh, did The Macintosh Store have G5s in stock in July? | Might have had to settle for a G4. | | I paid $550. Got it in an hour. | | There. I've just "proven" a Mac costs 5X as much as a comparable PC. | (-: Is my comparison any less valid than yours? (Yes, I'm aware that | my comparison is about as valid as a SCO legal brief. But so is | yours.) | | | The thing is, the PC ecosystem is broad, deep and complex. There are | five vendors competing for every niche in it, from CPU to video card | to case to the little screws that hold the PCI cards in. The Mac | "ecosystem" is single source from top to bottom, exactly three | products at any time, cleverly positioned so that only the top product | has all the useful features. When Apple screws up -- ships a | faulty/unreliable product, can't meet demand, or misses a development | schedule, Mac users have no alternative. PC users just buy another | brand. | | One is rain forest, the other is parking lot. | | The other thing is, the Mac has a closed, proprietary software | architecture. Just like Windows. More so, in fact, since Apple owns | it from the apps to the chips. The PC, especially with Linux or *BSD, | is infinitely diverse. You always have choices, including the choice | to rewrite it your way. (That's why we're FOSS zealots, after all.) | | | I'm glad you like your Mac and your iBook. I'm glad they work for you | and for the other EUGLUGsters who have them. But don't for a minute | think Apple has the only viable platform. | | Disclaimer: I've owned three Macs. I've worked at Apple. I first | developed for Mac in 1985. | | -- | Bob Miller K ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
"Id like to see a system that more like a few gig and be part of the system ram, like a simm that you pop in and is electronicly re-programmable, but non-volitile. and hard drives that didnt come on unless you needed them and ofcourse dirt cheap so that everyone could have them!" -Jamie This sounds a lot like CF on IDE... and although it is not generally part of system memory on IDE, you could make it a swap partition (yikes!) although you do want to be very careful about the lifetime write-cycle of CF and other NV storage. They are now relatively "dirt cheap" and the first thing you'd need is a CF-IDE adapter, which I think can be had for ~$20. Great for embedded systems, solid-state systems (ie, no moving parts), and the like... Are you thinking of something else? Like a hot-swappable non-volatile DIMM that works in existing systems (as if any but top-end servers do hot-swappable memory!) and somehow also acts as a drive? That'd be nice, heh. ciao, Ben On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:57:23 -0500 Linux Rocks ! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Saturday 15 November 2003 09:47 pm, Bob Miller wrote: | : Linux Rocks ! wrote: | : > I liked the commodore much better than the apple 2... neither were | : > all that great, but the commodore would boot w/out a disk, which | is: > a decent feature I wish carried over in the modern computing | world!: | : We have Linux boxes and distros that will boot from floppy, from | flash: memory (CompactFlash or USB), over Ethernet using PXE, or from | CD-ROM.: I think your wish has been granted. | | forgot about CF... that is an option... its still not as nice as rom | though... I think the commodore OS was about 25k, nowadays it would | have to be a few meg at least... Id like to see a system that more | like a few gig and be part of the system ram, like a simm that you pop | in and is electronicly re-programmable, but non-volitile. and hard | drives that didnt come on unless you needed them and ofcourse dirt | cheap so that everyone could have them! | | Jamie | | -- | Dijkstra probably hates me. | -- Linus Torvalds, in kernel/sched.c | ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM Woes
I've nearly derailed in the past, by such proliferation, but only when I tried to use both Ximian's tree and Apt-rpm's... I had to choose one or the other to get my main system updates, primarily because Ximian does indeed release their own package tree -- in my case, most of my Gnome binaries got replaced by .ximian-named packages. Apt-rpm and up2dat have played fine together, in my experience... since apt-rpm uses the same (well days older) trees; although they do have some other branches that are cooler, but those don't cause conflict with up2date since up2date doesn't know anything about a quake3 or multi-gnome-terminal binary RPM!! Regards, Ben PS - I know what you're saying about the lack of warm fuzzies, though. I was just discussing the eventual migration of our linux workstations to debian, at work... On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:53:55 -0800 Bob Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Ben Barrett wrote: | | > I know I might [now] get slammed for not using "yum" [yet], and | > maybe I'll be promoting it soon, but I'm still enjoying apt-get | > (apt-rpm) on redhat... there's a nice apt GUI tool call synaptic, | > which I'm sure some debian users know. It's real nice = ) | | I'm not getting warm fuzzies about the proliferation of package | managers that TDFKAR (The Distribution Formerly Known As RedHat) is | using. Package management and version synchronization is hard enough | without introducing three different package managers all with slightly | different semantics and slightly different sets of packages available. | | I predict a train wreck. | | -- | Bob Miller K ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM Woes
Best RedHat yet.,.. unfortunately (since they're giving up on "us" in favor of corporate entities). I wanted to say, "Worst... episode... ever!" but that is just a fun Simpson's reference. Here's an idea, one could possibly say it tests a certain aspect of robustness within an OS: attempt to do what BobC did, with varying starting and finishing operating systems (that is clean install, then install *over* with another OS (not removing files) and see what breaks or works. It is generally a bad idea, but then again, if the (new, installed-over, operating) systems are well-designed they might work, even reliably. I imagine it would be best to compare linuxes this way; one would want the same filesystem at least and indeally some of the same core components (we're trying to get potential conflicts by this method). Anyone have too much curiosity AND time on their hands? regards, Ben On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:48:43 -0500 Linux Rocks ! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Traitor! hehe... just teasing... so... how is redhat 9? would you use | it on your computer? | | Jamie | | On Saturday 15 November 2003 11:07 pm, Bob Crandell wrote: | : Hi, | : | : Just thought I'd let you know, at least the ones who care (if there | are: any), that reinstalling Redhat on a clean system went well. | There were: only a couple of boo boos cause I can't tpye. I still | stubbornly refuse to: like Redhat. | : | : Thanks for responding even if it wasn't what I wanted to hear/read. | : | : Bob | : | : -- | : Assured Computing | : When you need to be sure. | : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | : www.assuredcomp.com | : Voice - 541-868-0331 | : FAX - 541-463-1627 | : Eugene, Oregon | : | : | : ___ | : EuG-LUG mailing list | : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug | | -- | Eh, that's it, I guess. No 300 million dollar unveiling event for | this kernel, I'm afraid, but you're still supposed to think of this as | the"happening of the century" (at least until the next kernel comes | along). | -- Linus, in the announcement for 1.3.27 | | ___ | EuG-LUG mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM Woes
Ben Barrett wrote: > I know I might [now] get slammed for not using "yum" [yet], and maybe > I'll be promoting it soon, but I'm still enjoying apt-get (apt-rpm) on > redhat... there's a nice apt GUI tool call synaptic, which I'm sure some > debian users know. It's real nice = ) I'm not getting warm fuzzies about the proliferation of package managers that TDFKAR (The Distribution Formerly Known As RedHat) is using. Package management and version synchronization is hard enough without introducing three different package managers all with slightly different semantics and slightly different sets of packages available. I predict a train wreck. -- Bob Miller K kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?
Cory Petkovsek wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 10:08:24AM -0800, Jason wrote: > > Hey, > > > > kbob mentioned Computerbase as a place in Eugene to buy custom > > PCs/components; does anyone else have recommendations for this or > > other places to buy custom systems in town? I'd like to buy local and > > will be needing a new system when I get back to Eugene. I will > > probably be getting case/power supply/motherboard/CPU/ram and > > finishing it off with junk I already have. > > > > Positive and negative comments are appreciated. > > Computer Base - I've gotten a few systems there. They are currently > putting together another used system for me. One of the guys there is > on this list. I recommend them. > > Vos - been there as a last resort for parts. > > PC Parts Express - Haven't been there. pcpartsexpress.com There's also Stan's. Stan's's real name is PC Training Center, though it's all PC sales and no training so far as I can tell. Stan hosted EUGLUG in the early days. I'm pretty happy with Mike and Michael at ComputerBase. If you don't know exactly what you want, Mike's advice is great. If you do know what you want, then their prices are comparable to the prices at the reputable on-line stores (e.g., NewEgg or ZipZoomFly). They also stand by what they sell. Replaced a power supply for me for free a couple of months ago, for example. -- Bob Miller K kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM Woes
I know I might [now] get slammed for not using "yum" [yet], and maybe I'll be promoting it soon, but I'm still enjoying apt-get (apt-rpm) on redhat... there's a nice apt GUI tool call synaptic, which I'm sure some debian users know. It's real nice = ) regards, Ben PS - does anyone have some foresight about the future of apt-rpm channels and those of yum? I don't know much about yum... yet. On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 03:34:13 + "Bob Crandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... | Redhat has an "Add/Remove Programs" utility that makes it easy to | adjust what you have installed from the CDs. I'm guessing there is a | way to tell it where you want to install from but I haven't put much | effort into finding where that is. So it doesn't do me much good here | when the server is over there. | ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 10:08:24AM -0800, Jason wrote: > Hey, > > kbob mentioned Computerbase as a place in Eugene to buy custom > PCs/components; does anyone else have recommendations for this or > other places to buy custom systems in town? I'd like to buy local and > will be needing a new system when I get back to Eugene. I will > probably be getting case/power supply/motherboard/CPU/ram and > finishing it off with junk I already have. > > Positive and negative comments are appreciated. Computer Base - I've gotten a few systems there. They are currently putting together another used system for me. One of the guys there is on this list. I recommend them. Vos - been there as a last resort for parts. PC Parts Express - Haven't been there. pcpartsexpress.com -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?
Hey, kbob mentioned Computerbase as a place in Eugene to buy custom PCs/components; does anyone else have recommendations for this or other places to buy custom systems in town? I'd like to buy local and will be needing a new system when I get back to Eugene. I will probably be getting case/power supply/motherboard/CPU/ram and finishing it off with junk I already have. Positive and negative comments are appreciated. Thanks, Jason __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]new disk in old server
Rob Hudson wrote: > My latest idea is to use the 6GB disk that's in there as the /boot, > swap, and backup drive. Then the new drive as the OS and web directory > drive on a PCI card. In general, it's a good idea to put a swap partition on every drive in the system. The partitions don't have to be large, but when the system has to swap, it needs all the disk throughput it can get. Also, make sure all partitions have the same priority. (Admittedly, boxes aren't swapping so much now that a gigabyte or more of RAM is common.) tivopc ~> swapon -s FilenameTypeSizeUsedPriority /dev/hda3 partition 2047744 5476100 /dev/hdb2 partition 1000432 0 100 /dev/hdi1 partition 262544 5476100 /dev/hdk1 partition 262544 5480100 -- Bob Miller K kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]new disk in old server
On 20031112.1850, Mr O said ... > Um, here I am. You shouldn't have any real trouble booting off > your PCI card. As long as the BIOS sees it as a boot device > you're in good hands. Linux will just see your drives as > /dev/hde or higher. As for booting from SCSI it loads the > drivers during the boot. The SCSI BIOS handles getting the drive > going. Linux just needs to know where it is from there (ie: > /dev/sda). My latest idea is to use the 6GB disk that's in there as the /boot, swap, and backup drive. Then the new drive as the OS and web directory drive on a PCI card. > As for attaining full UDMA 100, keep dreaming. Unless > you're striping a couple drives with 8Mb cache you'll never see > near that performance. Kbob achieved over 90Mb/s that way. On > average a 2Mb cache drive will yield about 40Mb/s and an 8Mb > cache drive will yield upwards of 60Mb/s by itself. I didn't really mean actual throughput. Just that my motherboard has UDMA33 and I wanted to use the drive in UDMA100 mode, and I can't get that unless I use a PCI card with a new chipset. > If your BIOS actually sees 20GB then it should see at least > 32GB. In most systems that was the next barrier after 8GB. You > may just need to 'fdisk' the drive to see how much the OS sees > and experiment. Interesting. I'll have to toy with it again. Thanks, Rob ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]EFN mail questions...
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 08:28:28PM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > >On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 04:04:13PM -0800, Patrick R. Wade wrote: >> >2) do I need to do anything to keep my efn mail? >> >> No; mail originating inside efn.org is automatically whitelisted. > >|From: Ima Scamartiste <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] >|Subject: B U 5 1 N E 5 5 0 P P 0 R T U N 1 T Y >| >|Dear Sir or Madam, >| >|I am Ima Scamartiste, the wife of the late Dr. Fallfura Scamartiste. My >|husband ... > As i understand it, forged From: is not sufficient to clear the filter, else i'd be getting an order of magnitude more spam complaints than i do, which is plenty, for crying out loud. -- "That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX." "Well, that's something," Avi says. "Normally those two are mutually exclusive."--Neal Stephenson, "Cryptonomicon" ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:50:16PM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > Actually, I went ~x86 in order to try and solve that problem. It had > mixed results (solved some, created others..) I mostly stopped updating > anything that didn't need to be updated to fix a problem or security hole. I think the better thing to do is copy the masked ebuilds that you want to PORTDIR_OVERLAY and unmask them there, instead of global unmasking. I've noticed that some masked ebuilds rely on library versions of other packages that don't even have masked ebuilds, as well as libraries that have API changes that are not accounted for in masked ebuilds for packages that use those libraries. Obviously, that makes things _very_ unstable. -- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
