date:20150506

You're right, not likely to happen.

But the auto bailout had more to do with its timing and the likely impact on 
jobs and the economy than anything else...think dominos.

If you do think of anything, let me know. Seriously.


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> On May 6, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Ben Goren  wrote:
> 
>> On May 6, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Are there any additional policies you have in mind to help level the playing 
>> field?
> 
> It's not something I've given much thought to...and, honestly? Anything I'd 
> suggest would be politically unrealistic given how entrenched the fossil 
> fuels industry is. For example, any future bailouts should likely be required 
> to be spent primarily if not entirely on EV manufacturing and R&D...but is 
> that likely to happen? Not a chance.
> 
> b&
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

If they made a car that fit my needs better than anyone else, I wouldn't care. 
Otherwise, I'd be biting off my nose to spite my face.

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> On May 6, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Chris Tromley via EV  wrote:
> 
> The problem with compliance cars is they are made by companies that don't
> want to make them.  If I'm going to buy a car, I'll only buy from a company
> whose heart is in it - not from a company that feels their arm is being
> twisted, and making them only to gain access to a market.  Their priorities
> are all wrong, and not in my best interest.
> 
> Chris
>> On May 6, 2015 1:09 PM, "Mark Abramowitz via EV"  wrote:
>> 
>> Presumably more choices will mean more cars. One size never fits all.
>> 
>> My guess is that most ZEV owners (and many ICE owners) have a 2nd vehicle
>> that is not a ZEV unless their lifestyle, tastes and habits match their ZEV
>> perfectly.
>> 
>> Compliance cars are frequently no less perfect for someone's needs than a
>> "real" car (as you refer to it). But frankly, *all* ZEVs are compliance
>> cars when it comes down to it. No ZEV mandate = No ZEVs. It took a lot of
>> work by many of us (including my lawsuit) to get any on the road.
>> 
>> The only advantage of less ZEVs in Washington would be if it meant that,
>> due to limited production, more would be available for sale in California,
>> where the air quality makes it sorely needed.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 6, 2015, at 8:48 AM, Peri Hartman via EV 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's assuming that more choices == more sales.  I don't know if that's
>> true or not for this market.  There are plenty of EVs for sale in Wash. and
>> I certainly want to see their sales increase.  Ideally speaking, I'd rather
>> see "real" cars rather than "compliance" cars.  Just an emotional response.
>>> 
>>> Peri
>>> 
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" 
>>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: 06-May-15 7:31:55 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few
>>> 
 I don't get this.
 
 Why on earth would anyone want any less ZEVs out there, no matter why
>> they are there?
 
 We need as many ZEVs out there as we can get, as quickly as possible.
 
 
 
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> On May 6, 2015, at 6:40 AM, Peri Hartman via EV 
>> wrote:
> 
> I was wondering about this.  Glad you found the article, Bruce.
> 
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Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Willie2 via EV


On 05/06/2015 05:03 PM, Al Lumas via EV wrote:

Chevy just lowered the price of their "Spark" EV.
I thought the Spark was a compliance car.  Not available in Arizona.  Am 
I wrong?  I haven't seen any availability in Texas.


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

On May 6, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV  wrote:

> Are there any additional policies you have in mind to help level the playing 
> field?

It's not something I've given much thought to...and, honestly? Anything I'd 
suggest would be politically unrealistic given how entrenched the fossil fuels 
industry is. For example, any future bailouts should likely be required to be 
spent primarily if not entirely on EV manufacturing and R&D...but is that 
likely to happen? Not a chance.

b&
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

Are there any additional policies you have in mind to help level the playing 
field?

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> On May 6, 2015, at 10:17 AM, Ben Goren  wrote:
> 
>> On May 6, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV  wrote:
>> 
>> Presumably more choices will mean more cars. One size never fits all.
> 
> And there's another factor. Our market is capitalistic, yes, but far from an 
> actual free market. This is a good thing; monopolies are an inevitable result 
> of a free market, and monopolies are bad for everybody but the monopolists.
> 
> But that means that we wind up tipping the scales in various ways. We've 
> tipped the scales an awful lot in favor of ICE vehicles, so it's only fair to 
> tip the scales a bit in favor of electric vehicles as well.
> 
> It's only taken a very little bit of said tipping to create huge successes 
> for electric vehicles, which should be a rather good indicator that electric 
> vehicles are superior to their ICE counterparts. The rational thing would be 
> to keep tipping those scales until the electrics are no longer at a relative 
> disadvantage compared with all the support ICEs get.
> 
> Again...anybody else remember the automotive industry bailout, or the 
> trillions we spend on wars overseas primarily in strategically critical 
> oil-producing regions? If a few piddling little compliance laws can do what 
> they've done in the face of that huge advantage ICEs get, imagine what it'd 
> be like "all else being equal."
> 
> b&
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Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Willie2 via EV


On 05/06/2015 05:00 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
...and possibly as well advice on what to avoid...I seem to remember 
Leafs up to a certain year died quick deaths in the heat...? b&
I think that was the first year (2011?).  The year I had.  I don't 
begrudge Nissan not getting their battery sorted out before selling 
cars.  I do begrudge them refusing to fix the bad batteries.  Even 
though they are supposedly fixed now, I will never buy another Nissan.

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Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Al Lumas via EV


Chevy just lowered the price of their "Spark" EV.
Al

At 01:50 PM 5/6/2015, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
So, my parents are okay. But, apparently, their '89 Lincoln Town car 
might not be...somebody pulled out of a driveway in front of them 
faster than could be avoided...resulting in smoke coming from the 
engine compartment and suspected possible frame damage.
So...if the insurance company winds up totaling the car, as we 
suspect they might...can anybody suggest an inexpensive EV suited to 
a retired couple?
It would need to be freeway-capable with a reliable won't 
strand-them 50-ish mile range in a Phoenix summer with modest air 
conditioning usage.
The biggest potential problem would be budget...they're on a fixed 
income. They have some, but not much, money they can supplement an 
insurance settlement with, and I can probably pitch in a few 
pennies. I'm hoping the used market is mature enough that there 
might be something worthwhile there.



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Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

On May 6, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:

> I don't follow your reasoning.  There are reasons not to like a lease but the 
> fixed income aspect is not usually one of them.  In fact, often it's the 
> opposite: people on fixed incomes like leases because they are predictable 
> and the payments are (usually) lower than loan-to-buy payments.

Sorry...I realize I left out a detail obvious enough to me I didn't think to 
include it...they won't be getting a loan, no matter the vehicle; it'll be 
cash, with the largest share coming from the (presumed) insurance settlement, 
and, if need be (and it likely would) supplemented from savings from either or 
both them and me.

> A quick search for a Leaf in my area (Seattle) shows several used ones for 
> sale ranging from $11K and up.

That's likely the sort of thing we'd wind up looking at.

I guess what I'm asking from the list...is advice on which models are most 
likely to be good values as used vehicles given all the other considerations -- 
hot climate, ~50 mile range, freeway capable, reliable, etc.

...and possibly as well advice on what to avoid...I seem to remember Leafs up 
to a certain year died quick deaths in the heat...?

b&
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Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Peri Hartman via EV

I don't follow your reasoning.  There are reasons not to like a lease 
but the fixed income aspect is not usually one of them.  In fact, often 
it's the opposite: people on fixed incomes like leases because they are 
predictable and the payments are (usually) lower than loan-to-buy 
payments.


A quick search for a Leaf in my area (Seattle) shows several used ones 
for sale ranging from $11K and up.  "Used" might be an option since your 
parents presumably could not benefit from the tax incentive.  For 
example, buying one for $20K with only 1265 miles on it could be very 
lucrative.


Peri

-- Original Message --
From: "Ben Goren via EV" 
To: "Rick Beebe" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 


Sent: 06-May-15 2:07:53 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

Thanks, but I don't think a lease is likely to be especially desirable. 
It's that "fixed income Social Security" bit...an extra triple digits 
per month would be a disturbingly large fraction of their budget.


That's part of the reason why I think an EV would be ideal, if a 
suitable model is affordable; no more gasoline bills, and much cheaper 
per mile to charge. Once the purchase is made, it'd practically be free 
transportation for them.


b&

On May 6, 2015, at 1:55 PM, Rick Beebe via EV  
wrote:


 Might be worth checking out the lease options. I'm leasing a Smart ED 
for $124/mo with $250 down. A Smart's not the best freeway car but 
it's great around town. I've seen deals on Leafs for under $250/month.


 --Rick

 On 05/06/2015 04:50 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
 So, my parents are okay. But, apparently, their '89 Lincoln Town car 
might not be...somebody pulled out of a driveway in front of them 
faster than could be avoided...resulting in smoke coming from the 
engine compartment and suspected possible frame damage.


 So...if the insurance company winds up totaling the car, as we 
suspect they might...can anybody suggest an inexpensive EV suited to 
a retired couple?


 It would need to be freeway-capable with a reliable won't 
strand-them 50-ish mile range in a Phoenix summer with modest air 
conditioning usage.


 The biggest potential problem would be budget...they're on a fixed 
income. They have some, but not much, money they can supplement an 
insurance settlement with, and I can probably pitch in a few pennies. 
I'm hoping the used market is mature enough that there might be 
something worthwhile there.


 Suggestions most appreciated.

 Thanks,

 b&

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Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Willie2 via EV


On 05/06/2015 03:50 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:

So, my parents are okay. But, apparently, their '89 Lincoln Town car might not 
be...somebody pulled out of a driveway in front of them faster than could be 
avoided...resulting in smoke coming from the engine compartment and suspected 
possible frame damage.

If they've been driving a Lincoln, they might not take to an imev. I've 
had a Tesla for two years and an imiev for 5 months.  I much prefer to 
drive the imev where the range allows.  In the winter here in Texas, the 
imiev range was about 50 miles without using the heater.  The heated 
seats serve well enough.  In current temperatures, 50-80, the range is 
more than 60.  Haven't yet used the air conditioning.


The imiev was $26k including TTL.  Income tax credit is $7.5k and Texas 
has a $2.5k state rebate.  So, $16k.

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While the EV'r (Justin Leland Palmer, 36, an African-American, NYU grad and
father of four along with no criminal history) was not charged, each
newswire adds a little to the picture. Clearly even though there were there
were other EV'r charging at that time, the EV-ignorant SMPD had profiled
that EV'r, and their SMPD-brutality scared neighbors. The EV'r attorney is
suing the city. More on this after the 5/22 court date.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread Michael Ross via EV

gt; >>>> But many other low-volume models, from the Chevrolet Spark EV to the
> > >>>> Volkswagen e-Golf, aren't.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> What gives?
> > >>>> As it turns out, while Washington adopted California's emissions
> > standard,
> > >>>> it failed to include that state's zero-emission vehicle mandate.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That means there's no incentive for manufacturers to sell more
> > electric cars
> > >>>> in Washington state, explains a recent Seattle Times blog post.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The mandate requires carmakers to sell a certain percentage of
> > zero-emission
> > >>>> vehicles in California.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That led to those manufacturers developing low-volume models
> > specifically
> > >>>> for the purpose of meeting that state's mandate.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> These "compliance cars" include the Spark EV, Fiat 500e [EV], and
> the
> > >>>> recently-discontinued Honda Fit EV and Toyota RAV4 EV, among others.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Washington doesn't get these cars, nor does it get certain
> low-volume
> > models
> > >>>> like the Mercedes-Benz B-Class Electric Drive and Volkswagen e-Golf.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And without regulatory strong-arming, many carmakers don't want to
> > invest in
> > >>>> expanded distribution of electric cars.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> They often want to limit the money they spend to develop an electric
> > model
> > >>>> that is only intended to sell in small numbers, and restrict
> > distribution to
> > >>>> states where sales count toward the requirements of the ZEV mandate.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "I hope you don't buy it," Fiat Chrysler Automobiles CEO Sergio
> > Marchionne
> > >>>> infamously said of the 500e, "every time I sell one it costs me
> > $14,000."
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The Fiat and the Chevy Spark EV are both available in neighboring
> > Oregon,
> > >>>> and some Washington residents have reportedly crossed the border to
> > buy
> > >>>> examples of those models.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> However, local servicing can be difficult, as dealers that don't
> sell
> > the
> > >>>> electric variants lack the equipment and training to work on them.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Washington buyers will get at least one more electric-car option in
> a
> > few
> > >>>> months, though.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The state is one of five that will get the Kia Soul EV, beginning in
> > June.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The Soul EV is currently sold only in California, but Kia decided to
> > expand
> > >>>> to Washington, Georgia, Texas, Oregon, and Hawaii in response to
> > strong
> > >>>> consumer interest.
> > >>>> [© greencarreports.com]
> > >>>> ...
> > >>>>
> >
> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1095708_washington-state-to-give-electric-cars-tax-breaks-carpool-lane-access
> > >>>> Washington State To Give Electric Cars Tax Breaks, Carpool-Lane
> > Access? (Dec
> > >>>> 2014)
> > >>>> ...
> > >>>>
> >
> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1091059_compliance-car-update-which-electric-cars-are-loss-leaders
> > >>>> Compliance Car Update: Which Electric Cars Are Loss Leaders? (Mar
> > 2014)
> > >>>> ...
> > >>>>
> >
> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097563_kia-soul-ev-to-go-on-sale-in-five-more-states-by-this-june
> > >>>> Kia Soul EV To Go On Sale In Five More States By This June
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> For EVLN posts use:
> > >>>> http://evdl.org/evln/
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> {brucedp.150m.com}
> > >>>>
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Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

Thanks, but I don't think a lease is likely to be especially desirable. It's 
that "fixed income Social Security" bit...an extra triple digits per month 
would be a disturbingly large fraction of their budget.

That's part of the reason why I think an EV would be ideal, if a suitable model 
is affordable; no more gasoline bills, and much cheaper per mile to charge. 
Once the purchase is made, it'd practically be free transportation for them.

b&

On May 6, 2015, at 1:55 PM, Rick Beebe via EV  wrote:

> Might be worth checking out the lease options. I'm leasing a Smart ED for 
> $124/mo with $250 down. A Smart's not the best freeway car but it's great 
> around town. I've seen deals on Leafs for under $250/month.
> 
> --Rick
> 
> On 05/06/2015 04:50 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
>> So, my parents are okay. But, apparently, their '89 Lincoln Town car might 
>> not be...somebody pulled out of a driveway in front of them faster than 
>> could be avoided...resulting in smoke coming from the engine compartment and 
>> suspected possible frame damage.
>> 
>> So...if the insurance company winds up totaling the car, as we suspect they 
>> might...can anybody suggest an inexpensive EV suited to a retired couple?
>> 
>> It would need to be freeway-capable with a reliable won't strand-them 50-ish 
>> mile range in a Phoenix summer with modest air conditioning usage.
>> 
>> The biggest potential problem would be budget...they're on a fixed income. 
>> They have some, but not much, money they can supplement an insurance 
>> settlement with, and I can probably pitch in a few pennies. I'm hoping the 
>> used market is mature enough that there might be something worthwhile there.
>> 
>> Suggestions most appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> b&
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Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Rick Beebe via EV

Might be worth checking out the lease options. I'm leasing a Smart ED 
for $124/mo with $250 down. A Smart's not the best freeway car but it's 
great around town. I've seen deals on Leafs for under $250/month.


--Rick

On 05/06/2015 04:50 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:

So, my parents are okay. But, apparently, their '89 Lincoln Town car might not 
be...somebody pulled out of a driveway in front of them faster than could be 
avoided...resulting in smoke coming from the engine compartment and suspected 
possible frame damage.

So...if the insurance company winds up totaling the car, as we suspect they 
might...can anybody suggest an inexpensive EV suited to a retired couple?

It would need to be freeway-capable with a reliable won't strand-them 50-ish 
mile range in a Phoenix summer with modest air conditioning usage.

The biggest potential problem would be budget...they're on a fixed income. They 
have some, but not much, money they can supplement an insurance settlement 
with, and I can probably pitch in a few pennies. I'm hoping the used market is 
mature enough that there might be something worthwhile there.

Suggestions most appreciated.

Thanks,

b&

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[EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

So, my parents are okay. But, apparently, their '89 Lincoln Town car might not 
be...somebody pulled out of a driveway in front of them faster than could be 
avoided...resulting in smoke coming from the engine compartment and suspected 
possible frame damage.

So...if the insurance company winds up totaling the car, as we suspect they 
might...can anybody suggest an inexpensive EV suited to a retired couple?

It would need to be freeway-capable with a reliable won't strand-them 50-ish 
mile range in a Phoenix summer with modest air conditioning usage.

The biggest potential problem would be budget...they're on a fixed income. They 
have some, but not much, money they can supplement an insurance settlement 
with, and I can probably pitch in a few pennies. I'm hoping the used market is 
mature enough that there might be something worthwhile there.

Suggestions most appreciated.

Thanks,

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread Chris Tromley via EV

rmakers don't want to
> invest in
> >>>> expanded distribution of electric cars.
> >>>>
> >>>> They often want to limit the money they spend to develop an electric
> model
> >>>> that is only intended to sell in small numbers, and restrict
> distribution to
> >>>> states where sales count toward the requirements of the ZEV mandate.
> >>>>
> >>>> "I hope you don't buy it," Fiat Chrysler Automobiles CEO Sergio
> Marchionne
> >>>> infamously said of the 500e, "every time I sell one it costs me
> $14,000."
> >>>>
> >>>> The Fiat and the Chevy Spark EV are both available in neighboring
> Oregon,
> >>>> and some Washington residents have reportedly crossed the border to
> buy
> >>>> examples of those models.
> >>>>
> >>>> However, local servicing can be difficult, as dealers that don't sell
> the
> >>>> electric variants lack the equipment and training to work on them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Washington buyers will get at least one more electric-car option in a
> few
> >>>> months, though.
> >>>>
> >>>> The state is one of five that will get the Kia Soul EV, beginning in
> June.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Soul EV is currently sold only in California, but Kia decided to
> expand
> >>>> to Washington, Georgia, Texas, Oregon, and Hawaii in response to
> strong
> >>>> consumer interest.
> >>>> [© greencarreports.com]
> >>>> ...
> >>>>
> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1095708_washington-state-to-give-electric-cars-tax-breaks-carpool-lane-access
> >>>> Washington State To Give Electric Cars Tax Breaks, Carpool-Lane
> Access? (Dec
> >>>> 2014)
> >>>> ...
> >>>>
> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1091059_compliance-car-update-which-electric-cars-are-loss-leaders
> >>>> Compliance Car Update: Which Electric Cars Are Loss Leaders? (Mar
> 2014)
> >>>> ...
> >>>>
> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097563_kia-soul-ev-to-go-on-sale-in-five-more-states-by-this-june
> >>>> Kia Soul EV To Go On Sale In Five More States By This June
> >>>>
> >>>>
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

On May 6, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV  wrote:

> Presumably more choices will mean more cars. One size never fits all.

And there's another factor. Our market is capitalistic, yes, but far from an 
actual free market. This is a good thing; monopolies are an inevitable result 
of a free market, and monopolies are bad for everybody but the monopolists.

But that means that we wind up tipping the scales in various ways. We've tipped 
the scales an awful lot in favor of ICE vehicles, so it's only fair to tip the 
scales a bit in favor of electric vehicles as well.

It's only taken a very little bit of said tipping to create huge successes for 
electric vehicles, which should be a rather good indicator that electric 
vehicles are superior to their ICE counterparts. The rational thing would be to 
keep tipping those scales until the electrics are no longer at a relative 
disadvantage compared with all the support ICEs get.

Again...anybody else remember the automotive industry bailout, or the trillions 
we spend on wars overseas primarily in strategically critical oil-producing 
regions? If a few piddling little compliance laws can do what they've done in 
the face of that huge advantage ICEs get, imagine what it'd be like "all else 
being equal."

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

Presumably more choices will mean more cars. One size never fits all.

My guess is that most ZEV owners (and many ICE owners) have a 2nd vehicle that 
is not a ZEV unless their lifestyle, tastes and habits match their ZEV 
perfectly.

Compliance cars are frequently no less perfect for someone's needs than a 
"real" car (as you refer to it). But frankly, *all* ZEVs are compliance cars 
when it comes down to it. No ZEV mandate = No ZEVs. It took a lot of work by 
many of us (including my lawsuit) to get any on the road.

The only advantage of less ZEVs in Washington would be if it meant that, due to 
limited production, more would be available for sale in California, where the 
air quality makes it sorely needed. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2015, at 8:48 AM, Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:
> 
> That's assuming that more choices == more sales.  I don't know if that's true 
> or not for this market.  There are plenty of EVs for sale in Wash. and I 
> certainly want to see their sales increase.  Ideally speaking, I'd rather see 
> "real" cars rather than "compliance" cars.  Just an emotional response.
> 
> Peri
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" 
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> Sent: 06-May-15 7:31:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few
> 
>> I don't get this.
>> 
>> Why on earth would anyone want any less ZEVs out there, no matter why they 
>> are there?
>> 
>> We need as many ZEVs out there as we can get, as quickly as possible.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 6, 2015, at 6:40 AM, Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was wondering about this.  Glad you found the article, Bruce.
>>> 
>>> Maybe it's just as well not to have a bunch of compliance cars on the 
>>> market, here.  The "real" ones will come along as the EV market and 
>>> technology progresses.
>>> 
>>> Peri
>>> 
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "brucedp5 via EV" 
>>> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
>>> Sent: 06-May-15 12:15:30 AM
>>> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few
>>> 
 
 
 http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098052_washington-state-loves-electric-cars-but-gets-very-few-heres-why
 Washington State Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few: Here's Why
 By Stephen Edelstein  Apr 29, 2015  ht2 Brian Henderson
 
 [images
 http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2014-chevrolet-spark-ev_100433719_m.jpg
 2014 Chevrolet Spark EV
 
 http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2014-fiat-500_100435224_m.jpg
 2014 Fiat 500e EV
 
 http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2015-volkswagen-e-golf-limited-edition_100503450_m.jpg
 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf Limited Edition EV
 
 http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2015-kia-soul-ev_100456106_m.jpg
 2015 Kia Soul EV
 ]
 
 When it comes to states friendly to electric cars, Washington is pretty
 close to the top.
 
 It has one of the highest percentages of registered plug-in electric cars 
 in
 That's assuming that more choices == more sales.  I don't know if that's 
> true or not for this market.  There are plenty of EVs for sale in Wash. and I 
> certainly want to see their sales increase.  Ideally speaking, I'd rather see 
> "real" cars rather than "compliance" cars.  Just an emotional response.
> 
> Peri
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" 
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> Sent: 06-May-15 7:31:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few
> 
>> I don't get this.
>> 
>> Why on earth would anyone want any less ZEVs out there, no matter why they 
>> are there?
>> 
>> We need as many ZEVs out there as we can get, as quickly as possible.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 6, 2015, at 6:40 AM, Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was wondering about this.  Glad you found the article, Bruce.
>>> 
>>> Maybe it's just as well not to have a bunch of compliance cars on the 
>>> market, here.  The "real" ones will come along as the EV market and 
>>> technology progresses.
>>> 
>>> Peri
>>> 
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "brucedp5 via EV" 
>>> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
>>> Sent: 06-May-15 12:15:30 AM
>>> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few
>>> 
 
 
 http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098052_washington-state-loves-electric-cars-but-gets-very-few-heres-why
 Washington State Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few: Here's Why
 By Stephen Edelstein  Apr 29, 2015  ht2 Brian Henderson
 
 [images
 http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2014-chevrolet-spark-ev_100433719_m.jpg
 2014 Chevrolet Spark EV
 
 http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2014-fiat-500_100435224_m.jpg
 2014 Fiat 500e EV
 
 http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2015-volkswagen-e-golf-limited-edition_100503450_m.jpg
 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf Limited Ed

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread Peri Hartman via EV

That's assuming that more choices == more sales.  I don't know if that's 
true or not for this market.  There are plenty of EVs for sale in Wash. 
and I certainly want to see their sales increase.  Ideally speaking, I'd 
rather see "real" cars rather than "compliance" cars.  Just an emotional 
response.


Peri

-- Original Message --
From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" 
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
Sent: 06-May-15 7:31:55 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few


I don't get this.

Why on earth would anyone want any less ZEVs out there, no matter why 
they are there?


We need as many ZEVs out there as we can get, as quickly as possible.



Sent from my iPhone

 On May 6, 2015, at 6:40 AM, Peri Hartman via EV  
wrote:


 I was wondering about this.  Glad you found the article, Bruce.

 Maybe it's just as well not to have a bunch of compliance cars on the 
market, here.  The "real" ones will come along as the EV market and 
technology progresses.


 Peri

 -- Original Message --
 From: "brucedp5 via EV" 
 To: ev@lists.evdl.org
 Sent: 06-May-15 12:15:30 AM
 Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few




 
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098052_washington-state-loves-electric-cars-but-gets-very-few-heres-why

 Washington State Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few: Here's Why
 By Stephen Edelstein  Apr 29, 2015  ht2 Brian Henderson

 [images
 
http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2014-chevrolet-spark-ev_100433719_m.jpg

 2014 Chevrolet Spark EV

 http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2014-fiat-500_100435224_m.jpg
 2014 Fiat 500e EV

 
http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2015-volkswagen-e-golf-limited-edition_100503450_m.jpg

 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf Limited Edition EV

 
http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2015-kia-soul-ev_100456106_m.jpg

 2015 Kia Soul EV
 ]

 When it comes to states friendly to electric cars, Washington is 
pretty

 close to the top.

 It has one of the highest percentages of registered plug-in electric 
cars in
 the country, according to the U.S. Energy Information 
Administration.


 Electric cars get a sales-tax exemption in Washington, and access to
 charging infrastructure that's fed mostly from wind and hydro power.

 Yet Washington buyers are stuck with the same limited selection of 
models as

 in states with far less generous policies or eager buyers.

 Certain models of battery-electric car--including the BMW i3, Ford 
Focus
 Electric, Mitsubishi i-MiEV, Nissan Leaf, and Tesla Model S--are 
available

 in Washington.

 But many other low-volume models, from the Chevrolet Spark EV to the
 Volkswagen e-Golf, aren't.

 What gives?
 As it turns out, while Washington adopted California's emissions 
standard,

 it failed to include that state's zero-emission vehicle mandate.

 That means there's no incentive for manufacturers to sell more 
electric cars

 in Washington state, explains a recent Seattle Times blog post.

 The mandate requires carmakers to sell a certain percentage of 
zero-emission

 vehicles in California.

 That led to those manufacturers developing low-volume models 
specifically

 for the purpose of meeting that state's mandate.

 These "compliance cars" include the Spark EV, Fiat 500e [EV], and 
the

 recently-discontinued Honda Fit EV and Toyota RAV4 EV, among others.

 Washington doesn't get these cars, nor does it get certain 
low-volume models

 like the Mercedes-Benz B-Class Electric Drive and Volkswagen e-Golf.

 And without regulatory strong-arming, many carmakers don't want to 
invest in

 expanded distribution of electric cars.

 They often want to limit the money they spend to develop an electric 
model
 that is only intended to sell in small numbers, and restrict 
distribution to

 states where sales count toward the requirements of the ZEV mandate.

 "I hope you don't buy it," Fiat Chrysler Automobiles CEO Sergio 
Marchionne
 infamously said of the 500e, "every time I sell one it costs me 
$14,000."


 The Fiat and the Chevy Spark EV are both available in neighboring 
Oregon,
 and some Washington residents have reportedly crossed the border to 
buy

 examples of those models.

 However, local servicing can be difficult, as dealers that don't 
sell the

 electric variants lack the equipment and training to work on them.

 Washington buyers will get at least one more electric-car option in 
a few

 months, though.

 The state is one of five that will get the Kia Soul EV, beginning in 
June.


 The Soul EV is currently sold only in California, but Kia decided to 
expand
 to Washington, Georgia, Texas, Oregon, and Hawaii in response to 
strong

 consumer interest.
 [© greencarreports.com]
 ...
 
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1095708_washington-state-to-give-electric-cars-tax-breaks-carpool-lane-access
 Washington State To Give Electric Cars Tax Breaks, Carpool-Lane 
Access? (Dec

 2014)
 ...
 
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1091059_compliance-car-update-which-e

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

I don't get this.

Why on earth would anyone want any less ZEVs out there, no matter why they are 
there?

We need as many ZEVs out there as we can get, as quickly as possible.



Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2015, at 6:40 AM, Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:
> 
> I was wondering about this.  Glad you found the article, Bruce.
> 
> Maybe it's just as well not to have a bunch of compliance cars on the market, 
> here.  The "real" ones will come along as the EV market and technology 
> progresses.
> 
> Peri
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "brucedp5 via EV" 
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Sent: 06-May-15 12:15:30 AM
> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few
> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098052_washington-state-loves-electric-cars-but-gets-very-few-heres-why
>> Washington State Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few: Here's Why
>> By Stephen Edelstein  Apr 29, 2015  ht2 Brian Henderson
>> 
>> [images
>> http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2014-chevrolet-spark-ev_100433719_m.jpg
>> 2014 Chevrolet Spark EV
>> 
>> http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2014-fiat-500_100435224_m.jpg
>> 2014 Fiat 500e EV
>> 
>> http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2015-volkswagen-e-golf-limited-edition_100503450_m.jpg
>> 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf Limited Edition EV
>> 
>> http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2015-kia-soul-ev_100456106_m.jpg
>> 2015 Kia Soul EV
>> ]
>> 
>> When it comes to states friendly to electric cars, Washington is pretty
>> close to the top.
>> 
>> It has one of the highest percentages of registered plug-in electric cars in
>> the country, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
>> 
>> Electric cars get a sales-tax exemption in Washington, and access to
>> charging infrastructure that's fed mostly from wind and hydro power.
>> 
>> Yet Washington buyers are stuck with the same limited selection of models as
>> in states with far less generous policies or eager buyers.
>> 
>> Certain models of battery-electric car--including the BMW i3, Ford Focus
>> Electric, Mitsubishi i-MiEV, Nissan Leaf, and Tesla Model S--are available
>> in Washington.
>> 
>> But many other low-volume models, from the Chevrolet Spark EV to the
>> Volkswagen e-Golf, aren't.
>> 
>> What gives?
>> As it turns out, while Washington adopted California's emissions standard,
>> it failed to include that state's zero-emission vehicle mandate.
>> 
>> That means there's no incentive for manufacturers to sell more electric cars
>> in Washington state, explains a recent Seattle Times blog post.
>> 
>> The mandate requires carmakers to sell a certain percentage of zero-emission
>> vehicles in California.
>> 
>> That led to those manufacturers developing low-volume models specifically
>> for the purpose of meeting that state's mandate.
>> 
>> These "compliance cars" include the Spark EV, Fiat 500e [EV], and the
>> recently-discontinued Honda Fit EV and Toyota RAV4 EV, among others.
>> 
>> Washington doesn't get these cars, nor does it get certain low-volume models
>> like the Mercedes-Benz B-Class Electric Drive and Volkswagen e-Golf.
>> 
>> And without regulatory strong-arming, many carmakers don't want to invest in
>> expanded distribution of electric cars.
>> 
>> They often want to limit the money they spend to develop an electric model
>> that is only intended to sell in small numbers, and restrict distribution to
>> states where sales count toward the requirements of the ZEV mandate.
>> 
>> "I hope you don't buy it," Fiat Chrysler Automobiles CEO Sergio Marchionne
>> infamously said of the 500e, "every time I sell one it costs me $14,000."
>> 
>> The Fiat and the Chevy Spark EV are both available in neighboring Oregon,
>> and some Washington residents have reportedly crossed the border to buy
>> examples of those models.
>> 
>> However, local servicing can be difficult, as dealers that don't sell the
>> electric variants lack the equipment and training to work on them.
>> 
>> Washington buyers will get at least one more electric-car option in a few
>> months, though.
>> 
>> The state is one of five that will get the Kia Soul EV, beginning in June.
>> 
>> The Soul EV is currently sold only in California, but Kia decided to expand
>> to Washington, Georgia, Texas, Oregon, and Hawaii in response to strong
>> consumer interest.
>> [© greencarreports.com]
>> ...
>> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1095708_washington-state-to-give-electric-cars-tax-breaks-carpool-lane-access
>> Washington State To Give Electric Cars Tax Breaks, Carpool-Lane Access? (Dec
>> 2014)
>> ...
>> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1091059_compliance-car-update-which-electric-cars-are-loss-leaders
>> Compliance Car Update: Which Electric Cars Are Loss Leaders? (Mar 2014)
>> ...
>> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097563_kia-soul-ev-to-go-on-sale-in-five-more-states-by-this-june
>> Kia Soul EV To Go On Sale In Five More States By This June
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread Peri Hartman via EV


I was wondering about this.  Glad you found the article, Bruce.

Maybe it's just as well not to have a bunch of compliance cars on the 
market, here.  The "real" ones will come along as the EV market and 
technology progresses.


Peri

-- Original Message --
From: "brucedp5 via EV" 
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Sent: 06-May-15 12:15:30 AM
Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few




http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098052_washington-state-loves-electric-cars-but-gets-very-few-heres-why
Washington State Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few: Here's Why
By Stephen Edelstein  Apr 29, 2015  ht2 Brian Henderson

[images
http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2014-chevrolet-spark-ev_100433719_m.jpg
2014 Chevrolet Spark EV

http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2014-fiat-500_100435224_m.jpg
2014 Fiat 500e EV

http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2015-volkswagen-e-golf-limited-edition_100503450_m.jpg
2015 Volkswagen e-Golf Limited Edition EV

http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2015-kia-soul-ev_100456106_m.jpg
2015 Kia Soul EV
]

When it comes to states friendly to electric cars, Washington is pretty
close to the top.

It has one of the highest percentages of registered plug-in electric 
cars in

the country, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

Electric cars get a sales-tax exemption in Washington, and access to
charging infrastructure that's fed mostly from wind and hydro power.

Yet Washington buyers are stuck with the same limited selection of 
models as

in states with far less generous policies or eager buyers.

Certain models of battery-electric car--including the BMW i3, Ford 
Focus
Electric, Mitsubishi i-MiEV, Nissan Leaf, and Tesla Model S--are 
available

in Washington.

But many other low-volume models, from the Chevrolet Spark EV to the
Volkswagen e-Golf, aren't.

What gives?
As it turns out, while Washington adopted California's emissions 
standard,

it failed to include that state's zero-emission vehicle mandate.

That means there's no incentive for manufacturers to sell more electric 
cars

in Washington state, explains a recent Seattle Times blog post.

The mandate requires carmakers to sell a certain percentage of 
zero-emission

vehicles in California.

That led to those manufacturers developing low-volume models 
specifically

for the purpose of meeting that state's mandate.

These "compliance cars" include the Spark EV, Fiat 500e [EV], and the
recently-discontinued Honda Fit EV and Toyota RAV4 EV, among others.

Washington doesn't get these cars, nor does it get certain low-volume 
models

like the Mercedes-Benz B-Class Electric Drive and Volkswagen e-Golf.

And without regulatory strong-arming, many carmakers don't want to 
invest in

expanded distribution of electric cars.

They often want to limit the money they spend to develop an electric 
model
that is only intended to sell in small numbers, and restrict 
distribution to

states where sales count toward the requirements of the ZEV mandate.

"I hope you don't buy it," Fiat Chrysler Automobiles CEO Sergio 
Marchionne
infamously said of the 500e, "every time I sell one it costs me 
$14,000."


The Fiat and the Chevy Spark EV are both available in neighboring 
Oregon,

and some Washington residents have reportedly crossed the border to buy
examples of those models.

However, local servicing can be difficult, as dealers that don't sell 
the

electric variants lack the equipment and training to work on them.

Washington buyers will get at least one more electric-car option in a 
few

months, though.

The state is one of five that will get the Kia Soul EV, beginning in 
June.


The Soul EV is currently sold only in California, but Kia decided to 
expand

to Washington, Georgia, Texas, Oregon, and Hawaii in response to strong
consumer interest.
[© greencarreports.com]
...
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1095708_washington-state-to-give-electric-cars-tax-breaks-carpool-lane-access
Washington State To Give Electric Cars Tax Breaks, Carpool-Lane Access? 
(Dec

2014)
...
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1091059_compliance-car-update-which-electric-cars-are-loss-leaders
Compliance Car Update: Which Electric Cars Are Loss Leaders? (Mar 2014)
...
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097563_kia-soul-ev-to-go-on-sale-in-five-more-states-by-this-june
Kia Soul EV To Go On Sale In Five More States By This June




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Re: [EVDL] Acquitted: Charging-EVr PD-assaulted> pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed +

2015-05-06 Thread Jorg Brown via EV

This is not justice, not yet.  The officers claimed this happened after 11
but the bystanders say it happened before 11.  At that point, it throws
into question every other claim that these officers made.

On facebook it's more clear that racism may have been a factor.

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Peri Hartman via EV 
wrote:

> Hurray for justice!  But what a load to go through for Palmer.  Can't the
> police learn how to deal with situations like this in a more tolerable way
> - like watching for menacing indications before taking action?
>
> Peri
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[EVDL] EVLN: BMW i3 EV w/ built-in cash depository ideabank.pl ATMs

http://insideevs.com/poland-4-bmw-i3s-serve-mobile-atms/
In Poland, 4 BMW i3s Serve As Mobile ATMs
[20150428] by Mark Kane ht2 George Betak

[images
http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/bmw-i3-mobilny-bankomat.jpg
BMW i3 Mobile ATM

http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/JuiceBox-ATM9A.png
JuiceBox ATM From “April 1st”
]

We are accustomed to EVs as very efficient cars that save owners some money,
but as it turns out some electric cars provide money like ATMs! Literally!

Recently, EMotorWerks unveiled the JuiceBox charging station ATM, but that
was on April 1. Meanwhile, the EV ATMs exist for real!

Idea Bank in Poland introduced several mobile ATMs, using BMW i3s to collect
cash from entrepreneurs around the city or withdraw their money.

“The bank has outfitted four electric BMW i3 automobiles with built-in cash
depository ATMs that can be called upon by small businesses using the
IdeaBank Money Collection app for Android and iOS.

Entrepreneurs can also make an advance booking by entering the desired time
and location of the service delivery and observe the car’s current position
on a map.

Research conducted by Idea Bank has shown that one in three business owners
use only cash transactions, and the remaining two use both cash and
different methods of payment. Eighty percent of the respondents deliver
their money to the bank in person, often doing so in the evening hours.”

The first i3 ATM was launched in the capital Warsaw. The ATM has its own
power supply, separate to i3 REx’s battery pack.

Dominik Fajbusiewicz, Idea Bank board member said:

“Entrepreneurs who personally deliver their income to the bank or a
stationary CDM waste both their time and money. Our service aims at lifting
that weight off their shoulders,”.

“Depending on popularity, the service will be extended to other cities
across the country.”
[© insideevs.com]

http://www.finextra.com/news/fullstory.aspx?newsitemid=27198
Idea Bank chases 'Uber of banking' tag with mobile ATM fleet
07 April 2015 |
Poland's Idea Bank is taking a novel approach to the mobile banking
phenomenon, with the launch of a fleet of automobiles fitted with ATMs that
can be summoned by smartphone.

[image] The bank has outfitted four electric BMW i3 automobiles with
built-in cash depository ATMs that can be called upon by small businesses
using the IdeaBank Money Collection app.

Entrepreneurs can also make an advance booking by entering the desired time
and location of the service delivery and observe the car’s current position
on a map.

"Entrepreneurs who personally deliver their income to the bank or a
stationary CDM waste both their time and money. Our service aims at lifting
that weight off their shoulders," says Dominik Fajbusiewicz, Idea Bank board
member.

The first vehicle has already hit the streets in Warsaw. Newer shipments
will allow Idea Bank’s clients not only to deposit, but also to withdraw
their money.

Depending on popularity, the service will be extended to other cities across
the country, says Fajbusiewicz.

The project was developed in partnership with iTaxi, which prepared the
mobile booking app available for Android and iOS.

In February, the innovative mid-sized lender launched a new bank branch in
Warsaw staffed by trained baristas in a bid to entice small business owners
away from local coffee shops with the aroma of freshly-brewed beverages,
free office work space and bookable conference rooms.
[© finextra.com]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/115042992974/bmw-i3-transformed-into-mobile-atm-for-idea-bank-clients
BMW i3 transformed into mobile ATM for Idea Bank clients in Poland
Can be hired using smartphone app

Idea Bank from Poland has transformed a quartet of BMW i3s into mobile
automated teller machines.

There's no denying the massive technology advancements are making our lives
a lot easier and the latest example is quite interesting as Poland's Idea
Bank had the bright idea of fitting four BMW i3 electric vehicles with
built-in ATMs. Clients can actually "hire" these cars by using the IdeaBank
Money Collection app developed by iTaxi for iOS and Android platforms.

Moreover, entrepreneurs have the possibility of booking the car in advance
at a desired time and location and they are also able to check out the i3's
current position on a map. Think of this as a home delivery service but
instead of getting a pizza, you obtain access to an ATM to withdraw and/or
deposit money.

According to Idea Bank's board member Dominik Fajbusiewicz, the first
vehicle is now operable on the streets of Warsaw and if it will turn out to
be a success, the service will be extended to other cities across Poland.
[© worldcarfans.com]
...

[EVDL] EVLN: BMW electric drivetrain evolution and the new Mini-E

http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/04/29/bmw-electric-drivetrain-evolution-and-the-new-mini-e/
BMW electric drivetrain evolution and the new Mini-E
April 29th, 2015 | by Chris Llana

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mini electric rendering BMW electric drivetrain evolution and the new Mini
E

http://cdn.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/2014-BMW-i3-Front-3-4-Right-City-Cruising.jpg
2014 BMW i3 Front 3 4 Right City Cruising

http://cdn.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/tesla-model-3-front_0.jpg
tesla-model-3-front_0

http://cdn.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/bmw-i3-single-pedal-speed-control.jpg
bmw-i3-single-pedal-speed-control
]

The new Mini-E will have the potential to be even more “electric” than the
i3 [EV]. The new Mini-E will be introduced circa 2019, a two-door hatch
[EV].

The technology in the expected new Mini-E will draw heavily from BMW’s i3
innovations, just as Mini and BMW ICE cars now share engines and a platform.
At the same time, the evolution of successive generations of BMW EVs will
increasingly exploit the performance advantages and flexibility that
electric drives offer, while quietly eliminating those design features that
imitated some of the accepted limitations of ICE cars. The greatest
potential for near-term electric drivetrain development will come from the
synergy of single-pedal speed control, adoption of dual motors, and improved
regenerative braking. Hopefully the new Mini-E will incorporate all of these
features.

Not too long ago car manufacturers touted how much their EVs were like their
gas-powered counterparts, hoping to convince skeptical first-time buyers how
familiar the EV driving experience would be—”it’ll drive just like the car
you have now.” Some programmed in automatic-transmission “creep”; some piped
in ICE exhaust sounds through the stereo. A couple of manufacturers even
programmed simulated gear shifts in their single-speed electric drives. Many
automotive pundits decried “range anxiety,” and suggested that EVs should
ideally have the same range as ICE vehicles, without apparently considering
that electrical vehicles can start out every morning with a full charge.
Regenerative braking, not well understood by most drivers (including many
automotive journalists), was typically activated through the same pedal that
controlled the friction brakes.

Then BMW introduced the i3 spaceship! It was revolutionary. It didn’t look
like anything that had ever been driven down a road, it was made of carbon
fiber, both acceleration and braking were controlled with the same pedal,
and it was fast and nimble. But that was just the opening salvo.

The new Mini-E will have the potential to be even more “electric” than the
i3. And the second-generation i3 will continue that evolution.

The key piece of this evolutionary development is the i3’s single-pedal
speed control (the driver interface), coupled with the motor controller (a
powerful computer). As the automotive world is discovering, with a
software-controlled electric drivetrain, only the designer’s imagination
sets the limits on vehicle control (well, that and driver acceptance).

BMW i3 drivers report they seldom have need to use the friction brake pedal.
They control the car with the steering wheel and the speed pedal. With the
addition of a second motor (driving the front wheels), the single-pedal
speed control could become much more powerful.

The traditional advantages of all-wheel drive are obvious—improved traction
and handling, especially in slick conditions. In ICE vehicles, AWD carries
the costs of added complexity and weight (and money), and the intrusion on
internal space from the longitudinal drive shaft tunnel. With an EV, these
drawbacks are largely non-existent; instead of a small motor at one end of
the car, you have two smaller motors, one for each axle. Supporting
structure would be lighter for each, and mechanical stresses (and wear)
would be lower. The combined power and torque would likely be made greater
than that of the single motor they replaced—for more flexibility and better
performance.

With EVs, there is another very important advantage to having dual
motors—greatly improved regenerative braking (“regen”). During braking, some
of a car’s weight shifts from the rear to the front wheels (due to the car’s
center of gravity being higher than the tires’ contact patch on the
pavement—basic physics). As a result, the front brakes do most of the work,
more so with stronger braking (that’s why repeated aggressive braking covers
the front wheels with brake pad dust).

With EV regenerative braking, only those wheels connected to the drive motor
are able to slow the car. In the case of the i3, that’s the rear wheels.
That’s fine for mild and moderate braking, but for strong braking, weight
shift makes the rear wheel braking much less effective, and prone to
skidding—the four-wheel friction brakes would have to be used.

Some early i3 owners rep

[EVDL] EVLN: ElectraGirl: 1Yr with my 2014 BMW i3 EV

https://transportevolved.com/2015/05/02/electragirl-one-year-with-my-2014-bmw-i3/
ElectraGirl: One Year with my 2014 BMW i3
May 2, 2015 By ElectraGirl

[images
https://d290b3p3ki7y5s.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2014-BMW-i3-Electranaut-badge-front-580x435.jpg?b09674
One Year as an i3 Electronaut

https://d290b3p3ki7y5s.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2014-BMW-i3-Rear-footwell-580x435.jpg?b09674
Straight through the rear space

https://d290b3p3ki7y5s.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2014-BMW-i3-Interior-front-footwell-and-view-of-Electranaut-mark-580x435.jpg?b09674
Amazing space for a car in this class – is this the convertible version?
(click for full open-top effect)

https://d290b3p3ki7y5s.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2014-BMW-i3-Carbon-fiber-sills-580x435.jpg?b09674
Exposed carbon fiber on the sills and blue flash still looks cool

https://d290b3p3ki7y5s.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2014-BMW-i3-5.2MileskWh-580x435.jpg?b09674
State-Of-Charge (not shown here)

https://d290b3p3ki7y5s.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2014-BMW-i3-Interior-dashboard-580x435.jpg?b09674
Spot the fwd/rev selector -yep we don’t know why it’s there either

https://d290b3p3ki7y5s.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2014-BMW-i3-dirt-catching-rear-foam-block-580x435.jpg?b09674
Secret place to collect gunk
]

The 3rd May 2015 is a very important date for us. It means that we have had
our 2014 BMW i3 for one whole year.

Time surely has flown, from that first day back on the 3rd May 2014 when we
picked up our i3 and all I could say was !?! WHAT !?! It did turn out to be
quite exciting that day as we were the first in New Jersey to take ownership
of a 2014 BMW i3 and joint second in the US with Eddie. That did make it
rather special. Although I do have to say, that day is still rather a blur
as in the space of 48 hours we had gone from ‘No, we don’t want an i3, we
will never have an i3’, to ‘Well, actually it looks rather good, maybe just
maybe we should think about getting one’ to ‘Okay, let’s do it, where do we
sign?!’

Even though a year has gone by, everytime I open the garage door I think ‘Oh
yes, we do have an i3’. This reaction is purely down to the fact that we
were never going to have one. I would have to go as far as saying that we
were adamant that we were not going to get one. The novelty of having the
car still hasn’t worn off, although I think I’d have to say that about all
our Electric Cars as they are as exciting to get in and drive today as they
were the first day that we picked them up. There is just something so
different about Electric Cars that makes them so much more fun to drive.

It really doesn’t feel like we have had the car for a year already. We have
6,780 miles on the car and we are on a 12,000 mile per year lease. We just
don’t do the same mileage that we once did (in the ActiveE days – 50,000
miles in 2 years and 4 months) and most of our driving is within a 30 minute
radius of our house. Although we can be found taking leisurely drives on a
Sunday afternoon, looking for new places to explore that are of course
within our range of 80ish miles. Although I have to say, I am currently
loving my range at the moment which is between 90 – 95 miles of estimated
range and I’m at a consumption level of 5.2 miles/kWh.

The car is still rather quirky looking and probably always will be. There
isn’t anything else out there that looks the way it does. It definitely
attracts a lot of stares, with many people that I drive past doing a ‘180’.
I always find it rather amusing that people stop and stare so much at the
car. I guess it just looks so different and I think ours stands out that
little bit more as we added some stickers to the car. I am even more amazed
by the car that zooms up behind me, takes a picture and then backs off to
give me some space. The only other car that we have and have had, that
creates such interest and is photographed probably more is the Tesla
Roadster.

I like that the i3 is different and a little space age, it’s well designed
(apart from the drying issues – see below), it’s chocked full of technology
and really is just so different. One of my favourite things on the i3 is the
regen. I love how powerful it is and I still love the fact that I can pull
up to the white line so precisely just by using the accelerator. I really
like the hill hold too, although that has taken some getting use to. There
really is not much use for the brake pedal unless you are pointing downwards
on a hill, then you have to use it, you know, just to stop the car from
rolling down the hill! Driving the i3 is quite stress free, if only I could
just stop people from pulling out in front of me.

Well, just recently we finally got the State of Charge indicator that we had
hoped and presumed would have been on the car from the very beginning.
Although I am happy to have it, I am also slightly annoyed. Yes, I know I am
very difficult to please! The

[EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few