Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled
Ben Just explained the American Way.. LR From: Ben Goren b...@trumpetpower.com To: Lawrence Rhodes primobass...@sbcglobal.net; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled On Jun 14, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: With the right pack this vehicle out range and perform any factory EV. It will also be better when the factory EV is broken as it will be fixable by the owner or any ev converter. The factory ev will cost big bucks to fix. When people realize this conversations will rise in value. You would think that...but damned few people think like that any more -- at least, not in the States. Maybe in other parts of the world. Here, value is equated with the number of cup holders and the amount of outgassing from the plastics -- the more outgassing, the better. I paid $5K cash for my '64 1/2 Mustang. I'm putting a lot into it -- and I can because it's exactly that rot of super-flexible platform. But I'm going to spend significantly less on it than I would on a brand-new base-model Mustang...and, for me have a car I'd pick over a top-of-the-line brand-new Mustang _any_ day of the week. And then I'll add the plugin hybrid conversion, have the range specs (or better) of a Chevy Volt, still for less money than a brand-new Volt...and there will be few, if any, production vehicles that will be able to beat it at the drag strip. But, you know what? Almost none of my friends nor acquaintances would pick that car over a brand-new Honda Civic, or even a Civic a few years old with a couple dozen thousand miles on it. No interest in owning something like that, and certainly not in driving it regularly. Too strange. Not enough cup holders. And it doesn't smell new, which means it's liable to break down any minute now...and who's going to fix it when it does? Certainly not the Honda dealer. Your six-year-old car has a broken whatsit and the dealer wants five grand to fix it? Sucks, but you've been meaning to get rid of that old bucket of bolts for at least a couple years, now -- and the dealer is offering you a screaming deal on a trade-in, with zero down and no payments for six months, too! Why did you ever hang on to that jalopy for so long, anyway? b -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150615/3a0041e7/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled
Skip the BMS Sent from my iPad On Jun 14, 2015, at 10:29 PM, Tom Keenan via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I can understand the lack of potential conversion buyers. My present EV, a 1989 Ford Escort converted by a company in Santa Rosa, was on sale at one point for $2,000 but it never sold. Ultimately, the owner put it up for grabs on the local EAA list. I put a set of new lead acid batteries in, and it has been relatively trouble free for the past three years. It has had its share of mechanical problems, but it is a 1989 Ford Escort at heart. The big quandary for my EV will come in a year or so when it needs another battery pack. Does one spend over $8,000 to upgrade to a marginal lithium pack, charger, and BMS, or $2,500 on a lead acid pack that will work, but with the lackluster performance it has always had just to drive it a few thousand miles for the next few years? Putting $8,000 into a battery pack for an old, and otherwise unremarkable car would seem to be the height of folly, particularly when modern but used, factory made EVs (Leaf, iMiEV) can be had for just a bit more. Tom Keenan On Jun 14, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: This is the state of used home built EVs. No interest. The parts in this vehicle are worth 10 k. What a shame. With the right pack this vehicle out range and perform any factory EV. It will also be better when the factory EV is broken as it will be fixable by the owner or any ev converter. The factory ev will cost big bucks to fix. When people realize this conversations will rise in value. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150614/294d2b98/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled
I have to concur. When a suitable battery pack and BMS are a significant percentage of a used Leaf, it's going to be hard to justify completing the project. But it certainly is much *cooler* than a Leaf. That's what hot-rodding is all about. Expense is secondary, even for the thrifty. sean On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Tom Keenan via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I can understand the lack of potential conversion buyers. My present EV, a 1989 Ford Escort converted by a company in Santa Rosa, was on sale at one point for $2,000 but it never sold. Ultimately, the owner put it up for grabs on the local EAA list. I put a set of new lead acid batteries in, and it has been relatively trouble free for the past three years. It has had its share of mechanical problems, but it is a 1989 Ford Escort at heart. The big quandary for my EV will come in a year or so when it needs another battery pack. Does one spend over $8,000 to upgrade to a marginal lithium pack, charger, and BMS, or $2,500 on a lead acid pack that will work, but with the lackluster performance it has always had just to drive it a few thousand miles for the next few years? Putting $8,000 into a battery pack for an old, and otherwise unremarkable car would seem to be the height of folly, particularly when modern but used, factory made EVs (Leaf, iMiEV) can be had for just a bit more. Tom Keenan On Jun 14, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: This is the state of used home built EVs. No interest. The parts in this vehicle are worth 10 k. What a shame. With the right pack this vehicle out range and perform any factory EV. It will also be better when the factory EV is broken as it will be fixable by the owner or any ev converter. The factory ev will cost big bucks to fix. When people realize this conversations will rise in value. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150614/294d2b98/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Sean Korb spk...@spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 The more you drive, the less intelligent you get --Miller Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -P. Picasso -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150615/c02d7217/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled
On 15 Jun 2015 at 5:49, Paul Dove via EV wrote: Skip the BMS Don't. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: How Tesla Sells the Model S EV in Norway (v)
I have to wonder why you advertise a high performance car by showing video of
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that once that airplane lands you have arrived in what is officially recognized
as the EV capital of the world. Since March last year, more than one in 100
Norwegian motorists are driving a plug-in electric car, and the segment's
market penetration rose to 2% the same month, this year. Tesla knows that, of
course, but have you ever wondered how a Model S commercial looks like? Well,
we did ask ourselves several times. Heck, we get it, Norway is the greenest
country in the old continent. They ended last year as the top-selling European
country in the light-duty all-electric market segment, and the state accounted
for a third of all European all-electric car sales. As if that wasn't great
already, things get even more environmentally friendly, since Norway's fleet of
electric vehicles is one of the cleanest in the world because almost 100% of
the electricity comes from hydropower. Some interesting figures we have here,
of course, but is Tesla Model S getting a slice of the pie? Oh, yes, they do.
As you probably heard by now, last year the Model S was not just Norway's
best-selling EV, but the best-selling auto overall. All these considering, we
believe it's natural to ask how they make it. So we stumbled upon this video,
which appears to be a Tesla Model S commercial created for Norway. Filmed with
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Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled
It's not really a new problem. It's always been hard to find someone interested in buying a conversion, except, perhaps, from with your local EV interest group. One of the members of our local EAA chapter converted a 1998 Ford Ranger in 2007. 120 volt, 24 6-volt lead-acid batteries, Russco Charger, DCP Raptor controller and 9 motor. He spent about $15,000 including the truck and used it to commute 22 miles to work. In the winter, though, his range was insufficient so he had to drive his ICE car. He replaced the pack in 2012 for another $2500 or so. When the Leaf came out he bought one and it served all his commuting needs to he put the truck up for sale for $12000. 18 months later I bought it for $6000. I have no interest in lead-acid weight, I drove it for a few months then took it apart to put lithium in. While I thought it would be easy--take out one set of batteries and put in another--in the end I ended up replacing everything except the motor, controller and vacuum pump and added a lot of things to make it much less of a science experiment. I've invested about $10,000 above the purchase price. Would anyone here give me $16,000 for it? Even $10,000? Sadly, I doubt it. And while it's a very nice near-factory-quality EV now, it's still 17 years old. Last week I had a brake line fail and when I pulled the rear drums off I found one full of oil from a leaking axle seal. $1300 later I have brand new brakes and lines on the whole rear of the truck. But who knows what's next. --Rick On 06/14/2015 08:42 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: This is the state of used home built EVs. No interest. The parts in this vehicle are worth 10 k. What a shame. With the right pack this vehicle out range and perform any factory EV. It will also be better when the factory EV is broken as it will be fixable by the owner or any ev converter. The factory ev will cost big bucks to fix. When people realize this conversations will rise in value. Lawrence Rhodes ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled
I also have an EV that works great, is in great condition, but could never sell because of the market (or lack of) for used DIY EV's. Which leads me to my point...are we looking at the wrong market? I was recently in the Carribean and thought that EV's would be great on the the islands. The combination of high gas prices and lack of need for huge range makes them perfect. Combine with a smaller solar installation (electricity prices are also on the higher side) and you come up with a great win. There might be an business opportunity for someone to buy used EV's and resell in the Carribean. Barry -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Rick Beebe via EV Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 10:38 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled It's not really a new problem. It's always been hard to find someone interested in buying a conversion, except, perhaps, from with your local EV interest group. One of the members of our local EAA chapter converted a 1998 Ford Ranger in 2007. 120 volt, 24 6-volt lead-acid batteries, Russco Charger, DCP Raptor controller and 9 motor. He spent about $15,000 including the truck and used it to commute 22 miles to work. In the winter, though, his range was insufficient so he had to drive his ICE car. He replaced the pack in 2012 for another $2500 or so. When the Leaf came out he bought one and it served all his commuting needs to he put the truck up for sale for $12000. 18 months later I bought it for $6000. I have no interest in lead-acid weight, I drove it for a few months then took it apart to put lithium in. While I thought it would be easy--take out one set of batteries and put in another--in the end I ended up replacing everything except the motor, controller and vacuum pump and added a lot of things to make it much less of a science experiment. I've invested about $10,000 above the purchase price. Would anyone here give me $16,000 for it? Even $10,000? Sadly, I doubt it. And while it's a very nice near-factory-quality EV now, it's still 17 years old. Last week I had a brake line fail and when I pulled the rear drums off I found one full of oil from a leaking axle seal. $1300 later I have brand new brakes and lines on the whole rear of the truck. But who knows what's next. --Rick On 06/14/2015 08:42 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: This is the state of used home built EVs. No interest. The parts in this vehicle are worth 10 k. What a shame. With the right pack this vehicle out range and perform any factory EV. It will also be better when the factory EV is broken as it will be fixable by the owner or any ev converter. The factory ev will cost big bucks to fix. When people realize this conversations will rise in value. Lawrence Rhodes ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled
And don't forget the Mustang that another list member is converting. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2015, at 7:24 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 15 Jun 2015 at 10:37, Rick Beebe via EV wrote: And while it's a very nice near-factory-quality EV now, it's still 17 years old. I agree. This is a dead weight holding back sales of used conversions. For many good reasons, lots of EV hobbyists convert old vehicles. The problem is that when you go to sell, the vehicle is even older. And hardly anyone wants to BUY an old vehicle. It's the lack of reliability outside the drivetrain. It's the headaches getting even routine spare parts. But it's not just the head saying no, it's also the heart. The vehicle looks dated. It won't impress friends and family. It doesn't have all those features one expects on new cars -- cupholders, navigation, a USB jack. You may be able to beat this with an especially unusual or distinctive old vehicle. Some examples I can think of are Karmann Ghias, Opel GTs, Saab Sonetts, Austin Minis, and Fiat 850 Spyders. Of course this is MY list and yours is probably quite different, which just goes to show how challenging it is to pick a salable glider. :-( The Renault R5 (Le Car in the US) was quirky and interesting. It was remarkably comfortable (love those cushy seats) and I remember its handling (in ICE trim) as outstanding. But I don't know whether it had a large enough following when it was current to register on the collectors' radar today. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] 24 and 36 volt bms/ pcm
I'm looking for a 24 and a 36 volt bms/pcm that has only 2 leads, not 3 like the red evesamble. and something that has a heat skin plate. for life04. looking for 30 amps continuos. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled
Chris, I read that you have no batteries in your LeSled even though you modified the firewall and fenders to take 20 GC batteries, in case someone is interested in installing a Lithium pack in there, I have more than 120V worth of used cells that I can let go for a price not much more than a new flooded lead-acid pack, so if you get a nibble then there is a pack available as well. I originally wanted to install it in my 120V truck, but it conflicts with the maintenance on the floodeds if I add it to the truck and I don't want to get rid of my GC batteries since they still perform beautifully. Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Chris Tromley via EV Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 5:32 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled All, Well, it's official - I waited too long. My EV (LeSled - www.evalbum.com/274) got sidelined years ago with a ground fault. Lots of home projects (some pretty major) got in the way. I listed it as for sale on EV album, put it on the EV Tradin' Post and DIYElectricCar. No responses. So this is my last shot. The EV Album page goes into detail, but the highlights are: *Under-hood area properly modified to hold 10 GC batteries (instead of the original 6) for a total of 20 batteries, 120V pack. No batteries currently. *Still seats 4 comfortably, rear seat fully usable. *Renault Turbo GT torsion bars and sway bars, Koni shocks. *Under 1400 original miles, no rust, good condition inside and out. *Genuine Renault heater blower with ceramic heater, blowing through real ducts! And a proper defroster! (Leopard owners know what that means. ;^) *Zilla Z1k *Manzanita Micro PFC 20B *Original Leopard motor, refreshed with new bearings *Extremely compact, water-cooled 50A DC/DC made from Vicor bricks ... And all the other various bits that make up a good hobby EV. The ground fault happened because my temporary wiring boxes (made from wood) need to be re-done. $2000 takes it all, about the combined used prices of the controller and charger alone. The car is just outside Philadelphia. If there's no interest, next weekend I start pulling all the EV stuff out of it. Someone has expressed an interest in the hulk for something more than scrap value, but if that doesn't pan out it goes to the crusher. Chris -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150614/ec49011d/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery
On 15 Jun 2015 at 11:12, Willie2 via EV wrote: Can someone point me toward a better solution? 36v, ~10ah. I used a Ping battery for a scooter after reading mostly good things about them on Endless Sphere. Mine is still over 90% capacity after 3 years. They're not really suitable for high power, but for most e-bikes they should be OK. Just type Ping Battery into your search engine. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled
On Jun 15, 2015, at 7:24 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I agree. This is a dead weight holding back sales of used conversions. For many good reasons, lots of EV hobbyists convert old vehicles. The problem is that when you go to sell, the vehicle is even older. And hardly anyone wants to BUY an old vehicle. I think there may be a bit more of a problem even ahead of that. Why, exactly, are you converting the car in question? If you're doing it as a financial investment, or even with the thought that you'll somehow recoup your expenses at some point down the road by selling it...you've got bigger problems than that nobody wants to buy your old converted EV. If you're doing it because you want not just any electric vehicle but _that_ vehicle electrified and it's worth however much money you spend on the project to electrify it, you're doing it for all the right reasons, and who cares how much or even if you can sell it when you grow tired of it? All the better if it works out that way, and especially if it keeps the vehicle out of the landfill...but you've got to have some pretty poor financial sense to be counting on that going into the project. Today, if all you care about is a vehicle that runs on electricity, don't even think about doing a conversion. Just buy something that already fits your needs -- most likely something from a major manufacturer, but, sure, if there's a conversion that's ready to go and does all you want, great. Not bloody likely, but wonderful for you if that should happen. I'm planning on doing the PHEV thing to my Mustang because it's a car I plan on driving for the second fifty years of its life and because I think it'll be effin' awesome. I'll be able to do almost all my driving electrically for free with electricity from the solar panels on my roof. I'll be able to do long-distance road trips in it without worrying about range or charging stations or what-not -- and still be able to plug in lots of places along the way. And it'll be one of two all-wheel-drive Mustangs in existence and the only one with an electric motor...and it'll be insanely fast. What do I care how much I could sell it for? What difference does it make how much money I put into it, so long as it's not more money than I'm able and willing to spend to have the car? It'll be a plugin hybrid electric screaming V8 all wheel drive wicked fast 1964 1/2 Mustang. It'll do silent grocery runs with free fuel _and_ (hopefully) smoke the Hellcats at the strip. What other reason do I need to do the conversion? And why on Earth would I even _want_ to sell it afterwards? b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150615/04937db6/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled
On 15 Jun 2015 at 10:37, Rick Beebe via EV wrote: And while it's a very nice near-factory-quality EV now, it's still 17 years old. I agree. This is a dead weight holding back sales of used conversions. For many good reasons, lots of EV hobbyists convert old vehicles. The problem is that when you go to sell, the vehicle is even older. And hardly anyone wants to BUY an old vehicle. It's the lack of reliability outside the drivetrain. It's the headaches getting even routine spare parts. But it's not just the head saying no, it's also the heart. The vehicle looks dated. It won't impress friends and family. It doesn't have all those features one expects on new cars -- cupholders, navigation, a USB jack. You may be able to beat this with an especially unusual or distinctive old vehicle. Some examples I can think of are Karmann Ghias, Opel GTs, Saab Sonetts, Austin Minis, and Fiat 850 Spyders. Of course this is MY list and yours is probably quite different, which just goes to show how challenging it is to pick a salable glider. :-( The Renault R5 (Le Car in the US) was quirky and interesting. It was remarkably comfortable (love those cushy seats) and I remember its handling (in ICE trim) as outstanding. But I don't know whether it had a large enough following when it was current to register on the collectors' radar today. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 5:15 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 15 Jun 2015 at 5:49, Paul Dove via EV wrote: Skip the BMS Don't. Do! But do your homework and don't blindly listen to the you have to have a BMS! crowd or the you should never have a BMS crowd. Do your homework, very carefully. Do your own playing around with the cells you are going to use. See what others' results are with the same cells. Check out the theory on that particular chemistry. And definitely look for success stories and failures with those cells and BY ALL MEANS get all the info about the situation. Remember, several on this list told me that my pack would be out of balance quickly and ruined. Four years later that hasn't happened. No cell level BMS, only a Batt-Bridge like device. Remember, LiFePO4 cells have no self discharge mechanism so if you have one that self discharges it is defective. Lithium isn't lead acid. -- David D. Nelson http://evalbum.com/1328 http://www.levforum.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery
I have a electric mountain bike with very low speed gears, something like 30 to 1 in first gear. It uses two standard 12 volt 10 ah seal batteries in series for 24 volts. Only $19.95 each. Has so much torque, I completely did a back ward flip. Has a range of 15 miles at 15 mph. Can buy 25 of these for $500.00. One more thing while I am on. I thought someone said a while back, that the Li Ion battery does not required a break in. Then how come after 125 charging cycles which is for me, about two cycles a week, started out at 3.5 ah per mile and now doing about 2.5 ah per mile on the same exact routed, temperature and speed? I think what is happening, that the plate surfaces started out at a mirror finish, is now a rough surface which increases area and ah of the plate surfaces. Roland - Original Message - From: Willie2 via EVmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion Listmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 10:12 AM Subject: [EVDL] Bicycle battery A battery for my Prodeco bicycle turned up dead. The OEM replacement is nearly $500. Can someone point me toward a better solution? 36v, ~10ah. Has anyone heard of anyone doing cell replacements? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usubhttp://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.orghttp://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRAhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150615/6e42b202/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Bicycle battery
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Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery
Willie, How about some NIMH battery modules from the Toyota Prius or other hybrid vehicle? They are 7.2 Volts and 6.5 Ah. Two battery modules in parallel would be 13 Ah and 5 of those in series would be 36 Volts. However, I think NiMH do not like running in parallel. This is ten modules total, at $45 each used is $450 before a charger, monitor, BMS, contacts, etc Maybe two series strings could be used without parallel bridges at each battery, only connect them with contactors when driving the bike. More cost effective would be going with 5 modules in series at 6.5 Ah and 36 Volts. Less range but less $$ and simpler. Have you looked at Leaf Lithium modules? Alan -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Willie2 via EV Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:12 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: [EVDL] Bicycle battery A battery for my Prodeco bicycle turned up dead. The OEM replacement is nearly $500. Can someone point me toward a better solution? 36v, ~10ah. Has anyone heard of anyone doing cell replacements? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery
Willie, Sure - On EndlessSphere there is a whole world of hobbyists assembling batteries and replacing cells from packs they blew up. BTW, first thing to check is if that cell self-discharged below the threshold from the BMS to allow charging again, sometimes the cell is not bad, it just needs to see charging often enough to avoid it self-discharging too low, so measure the cells, put a little bit of charge in cells that are below the cutoff (typically 2.5V) and see if it comes back and wants to play nice or that it is really dead. I have resurrected several Li-Ion packs that had such a cell with high discharge and the only consequence was that the one cell has slightly higher internal resistance and self-discharge, so as long as you keep it charged regularly and avoid maxing out the current draw (which is usually not a problem on an eBike: typical motor draw is 500W so that is only 1.5C from a 36V pack Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Willie2 via EV Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:12 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: [EVDL] Bicycle battery A battery for my Prodeco bicycle turned up dead. The OEM replacement is nearly $500. Can someone point me toward a better solution? 36v, ~10ah. Has anyone heard of anyone doing cell replacements? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery
I put a Battery Tender 10Ah 12v replacement battery in my EV and it's been working great. Very small and very light. Three would cost $300 so it's not as cheap as the Chinese duct-tape packs you can buy off eBay but has the advantage that you can replace it in thirds if needed. --Rick On 06/15/2015 12:12 PM, Willie2 via EV wrote: A battery for my Prodeco bicycle turned up dead. The OEM replacement is nearly $500. Can someone point me toward a better solution? 36v, ~10ah. Has anyone heard of anyone doing cell replacements? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled or..wrong market?
I don't shop where I can't charge. Sorry if this was already mentioned in other responses ,...but are you marketing to the right audience? How to get High school and community college kids to get into EVs with out a test tune destination? Some places/school still have room for kids to drive off road.How does one reach the wannabee EV owner youth? I get requests to help but landing a glider or fixer -upper never seems to happen at the time of an offer..I am working towards this solution over with the other list people. Educators, law and social services on board but who has 90 acres for the purpose.. I envision a first stop destination for used Lithium batteries so young people can experience them as well.WE need to help the tech get into younger hands! -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150615/7f60834f/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled
From: Tom Keenan via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Message-ID: 63593961-b4f9-483a-8dad-4cc9dc1e7...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can understand the lack of potential conversion buyers. My present EV, a 1989 Ford Escort converted by a company in Santa Rosa, was on sale at one point for $2,000 but it never sold. Ultimately, the owner put it up for grabs on the local EAA list. I put a set of new lead acid batteries in, and it has been relatively trouble free for the past three years. It has had its share of mechanical problems, but it is a 1989 Ford Escort at heart. The big quandary for my EV will come in a year or so when it needs another battery pack. Does one spend over $8,000 to upgrade to a marginal lithium pack, charger, and BMS, or $2,500 on a lead acid pack that will work, but with the lackluster performance it has always had just to drive it a few thousand miles for the next few years? Putting $8,000 into a battery pack for an old, and otherwise unremarkable car would seem to be the height of folly, particularly when modern but used, factory made EVs (Leaf, iMiEV) can be had for just a bit more. Tom Keenan But that isn't the end of the story. All you really need to do is get a Leaf or other pack for 2,500 dollars maybe less...a lot less sometimes. When it goes in your Escort it may have longer range because it will weigh 700 pounds less than the Leaf. You will then have to buy BMS and charger but that is a lot less than buying retail. That is what I'm going to do when I have the money. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150615/0da71884/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: BMW i3 is still an ultimate driving machine
http://www.murfreesboropost.com/bmw-goes-completely-different-with-i3-model-cms-42221 BMW goes completely different with i3 model Barbara Bill Schaffer, Auto Digest June 7, 2015 [image http://www.murfreesboropost.com/files/image/auto1.jpg (i3) ] The opposite of a BMW might easily be the BMW i3. It's not that the small BMW isn't still an ultimate driving machine, it's just that it does it in such a completely different and un-BMW way. We think one of the BMW honchos took the title from the 1971 Monty Python movie to heart and decided, And now for something completely different. From the thoroughly original styling to the electric motor with range extender to the carbon fiber construction the BMW i3 is just about as far as you can get from the typical BMW, except in motivation. Nevertheless, we were surprised by how much we enjoyed driving the i3. The size of the i3 is 11 inches shorter than a Volkswagen Beetle and it weighs from 300 to 800 less (depending on the way each is configured) even though the BMW has a 450-pound battery. The interior is deceptively spacious, with about the same size interior as the Volkswagen Beetle. The i3 has two conventional doors each mated with two rear opening doors, like the smaller ones on an extended cab pickup. This pillar-less design allows easier access into the rear seat - although it is still tight climbing in and out, but better than a coupe where you have to climb behind the front seat. The interior is purposely designed for tight city streets. With no transmission tunnel and a low center console a driver can easily scoot across and exit on the passenger side, as an option so he or she doesn't have to exit on a busy street. Cargo space is a moderate size with nine cubic feet available behind the rear seat back. There also a little bit of space under the front bonnet, but that space is mostly for the on-board charger cable and tire repair equipment. The 2015 BMW i3 interior materials are extensively made from renewable sources and recycled materials some of which actually look like natural materials rather than the normal slick finished surfaces. For example, the instrument panel surround and door trims have a fibrous texture made from the Kenaf plant. About 25 percent of the plastics in the interior and thermoplastic parts on the exterior are recycled or made from renewable sourced materials. Even the carbon fiber reinforced plastic (CFRP) roof panel is partially made with recycled materials from the manufacturing process of other components. Dashboard wood trim is crafted from responsibly-forested eucalyptus trees. Even much of the manufacturing process itself is powered by renewable hydroelectric and wind power sources. One of the most advanced features of the BMW i3 is its unique carbon fiber and aluminum construction. The BMW i3 is a purpose-designed vehicle, rather than from an existing internal combustion car converted to battery power. The vehicle is designed in two parts, the passenger cabin, which they call the Life Module, and the Drive Module. The Life Module is constructed of Carbon Fiber Reinforced Plastic, which is as strong as steel and 50 percent lighter - it's also 30 percent lighter than aluminum. The aluminum Drive Module holds the 450-pound lithium-ion battery, electric drive train, MacPherson strut front and 5-link rear suspensions, along with structural and crash components. All the weight saving materials keep the car's weight to less than 2,600 pounds or about 2,900 pounds with the Range Extender. The lighter weight of the Life Module components, along with the low-mounted battery, lower's the i3's center of gravity and the component placement creates a near perfect 50/50 weight distribution. These combine with an ultra-tight 32.3-foot turning radius and the small size to create well balanced and more engaging drive, especially in the city where it easily zips through traffic. A 170-hp synchronous electric motor with184-lb.ft.of torque propels the BMW i3 with power from a 22-kWh lithium-ion battery. It uses a single-speed transmission to drive the rear wheels. One of the automotive magazines lists an observed 0 to 60 mph test speed of 6.6 seconds, and BMW says the top speed is limited to 93 mph. On a full charge, our test car showed a range of 81 miles on the dash mounted meter. That number sometimes would increase to as much as 91 miles from the regenerative braking after descending the mile-long hill from our house to the main highway. The driver can select from a Normal, Eco Pro or Eco Pro+ modes. The two Eco modes change the vehicle's operations to stretch the charge by 12 and 25 percent respectively according to BMW estimates. They also restrict performance and the vehicle's cabin cooling and heating abilities. The Eco modes do have a kickdown function that allows drivers to override the Eco modes when a sudden surge of performance is needed. One of the most interesting drive features of the i3 is the Single Pedal
[EVDL] EVLN: Orthodontist.au Srinivasan enjoys his EV's TMs
http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/tesla-electric-car-has-orthodontist-smiling/2662534/
VIDEO: Want a closer look at the new Tesla electric car?
Bill Hoffman | 5th Jun 2015
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be on display at World Environment Day at the University of the Sunshine
Coast on Sunday.
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PARREARRA dentist Vas Srinivasan may label himself The Invisible
Orthodontist but on the road he is anything but.
He is one of Australia's early adopters of the revolutionary Tesla electric
car considered to be the future of motoring globally and it turns heads
wherever he goes.
We call this TM. (Tesla Moment), Dr Srinivasan said.
Car enthusiasts obviously love it; people who do not know anything about
cars still stop and ask me what type of car it is.
My idea is to make young brains think like the way Elon Musk thinks and
make them dream big so it is possible for a small town boy born in South
Africa to become a billionaire because of his daring vision.
I have always volunteered to show the car in festivals and groups and
meets to make people think that the next time they want to buy a German
car, they should consider buying a Tesla instead as it is comparatively
priced but brings in far more benefits.
The Tesla along with a number of other electric vehicles will be on display
at the 36th annual Sunshine Coast World Environment Day at the University of
the Sunshine Coast this Sunday between 10am and 4pm.
Dr Srinivasan has also become one of the first in the country to order a
Tesla Powerwall that will capture energy from solar systems at his home and
office to allow the vehicle to recharge at night with renewable energy.
I go to bed with my car with 50km in range, when I wake up, the car has a
full tank of 500km, Dr Srinivasan said.
Charging at night while you are sleeping is incredibly amazing. I have a
full tank (range) every single day
It feels surreal that you are driving around every day of your commuting
life and you are not causing any damage to the environment. We have solar
panels at home and at work. The car uses this energy to charge up (charging
at home during the day comes from sunlight, charging at night is not, hence
I have an order placed for Tesla Powerwall.
The first thing you notice about a Tesla, Dr Srinivasan said, was the
noise-free acceleration.
It is incredibly silent, he said. One must be in the car to know how
good it is. It feels pretty awkward to sit in a car that makes a sound to
even get started.
Tesla's are incredibly quick off the mark, the top-of-the-range P85D
reaching 100kmh in just 3.3 seconds. The vehicles have a top speed between
225kmh and 250kmh depending on the model and a range between 420 and 500 km.
With updates to the car coming every month or two, the car gets better
over time, Dr Srinivasan said.
If you feel like the updates for your phone or laptop is making your life
better, why shouldn't you expect this in your car. I have received
blind-spot monitoring, lane departure warning, GPS updates, charging point
updates all over the air (which wasn't available when I bought the car) and
it didn't cost me anything
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[EVDL] EVLN: How Tesla Sells the Model S EV in Norway (v)
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Here’s How Tesla Sells the Model S in Norway - Video
by Ionut Ungureanu 5th June 2015
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The all electric Tesla Model S.
Aerial footage - DJI Phantom 2 + Gopro hero 3.
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If you ever travel to Oslo, you should know that once that airplane lands
you have arrived in what is officially recognized as the EV capital of the
world. Since March last year, more than one in 100 Norwegian motorists are
driving a plug-in electric car, and the segment’s market penetration rose to
2% the same month, this year. Tesla knows that, of course, but have you ever
wondered how a Model S commercial looks like?
Well, we did ask ourselves several times. Heck, we get it, Norway is the
greenest country in the old continent. They ended last year as the
top-selling European country in the light-duty all-electric market segment,
and the state accounted for a third of all European all-electric car sales.
As if that wasn’t great already, things get even more environmentally
friendly, since Norway’s fleet of electric vehicles is one of the cleanest
in the world because almost 100% of the electricity comes from hydropower.
Some interesting figures we have here, of course, but is Tesla Model S
getting a slice of the pie? Oh, yes, they do.
As you probably heard by now, last year the Model S was not just Norway’s
best-selling EV, but the best-selling auto overall. All these considering,
we believe it’s natural to ask how they make it.
So we stumbled upon this video, which appears to be a Tesla Model S
commercial created for Norway. Filmed with a drone in this remote, beautiful
landscape, the ad doesn’t say much. In fact, it doesn’t say anything at all.
The great visuals, somewhat creepy music and the “Welcome to the future...”
line at the end apparently do the job.
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[EVDL] 85%SOC in 15min Tesla EV pack-swap, CEO sez no one wants it
http://www.torquenews.com/3618/fill-up-tesla-model-s-faster-than-gas-car A Clear way to fill up your Tesla faster than a Gas Car can with Gas By Douglas Stansfield 2015-06-05 [video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5V0vL3nnHY Tesla Model S - Battery Swap HD Official Tesla Schweiz (Community Channel) Jun 21, 2013 Will your next car be an electric one? Join the community on Fac ebook: http://fb.com/MyNextOne ] There are so many people that look at the recharging times of electric cars and swear they will never get one because of the time lag of a recharge. Even though you can fill up your Tesla Model S overnight as you sleep in your garage. Even though you can wake up with a full tank every single morning after a good night sleep. Even though, there is a nationwide fast charger network. Even though you can drive from Boston to Florida or from New York to California in a Tesla Model S, some people are still not satisfied with EV technology. Step back a few years and note that Better Place had a technology that was the cornerstone of that company’s business model back in the Tesla Roadster days and it seems that Tesla has embraced it. It looks like there are California Air Resources Board (CARB) credits that are being given to manufacturers that break the 15 minute “fill up” barrier to at least 85% traction pack battery state of charge. Well, leave it to some government incentives to create an impetus to actually create a faster way to re-energize the Tesla Model S (although I don’t think Tesla needed an excuse to go down this road). At this point, there is a test program being run out of California for battery swapping of Tesla S batteries. According to recent posts in social media forums it appears to be that Tesla S owners are being invited to participate and there is a fee involved to participate. According to this video of a Tesla S battery swap, the swap is faster than filling up with gas and the Model S battery was swapped out in one minute and thirty three seconds. As these tests progress, it will be interesting to see if more and more battery swapping stations will appear over time or if the Super Charger network still is the most promising technology going forward. Based on this opportunity, having the ability to swap your batteries raises a lot of questions. For example: Are the Batteries owned by the company or by the Tesla owner? Will the original battery be required to be reinstalled back in the original Tesla S it came from? Can Tesla S owners swap in a larger P85 pack for trips and then come back and swap in their original pack? Will this test roll out to the East Coast so that NJ and NY Tesla S owners can participate? All in all a very positive test program and looking forward to getting the results. [© torquenews.com] http://www.autonews.com/article/20150610/BLOG06/150619976/tesla-sours-on-swappable-batteries Tesla sours on swappable batteries Gabe Nelson June 10, 2015 'People don't care,' Musk says PALO ALTO, Calif. -- When it unveiled the Model S, Tesla Motors Inc. crowed about its fast-swapping technology, demonstrating in 2013 that a depleted battery could be swapped for a fresh one in minutes. Later, it built a swap station in Harris Ranch, Calif., halfway between Los Angeles and San Francisco, to test the technology. But there’s a problem, Tesla CEO Elon Musk says: Customers aren’t interested. “People don’t care about pack swap,” Musk said Tuesday at the company’s annual shareholder meeting. Tesla’s proprietary Superchargers, which can top off the battery in the Model S with 200 miles of range in about 20 minutes, are “fast enough” for most customers, he said, and unlike battery swaps, they’re free. “We thought people would prefer Supercharging, but we weren’t sure,” Musk said. “So that’s why we built the pack swap capability in. And based on what we’re seeing here, it’s unlikely to be something that’s worth expanding in the future unless something changes.” With this public reversal by Musk, battery swapping, once a promising alternative to fast charging, now seems destined to become a quirky footnote in the history of Tesla, and perhaps the entire electric-car movement. Battery swapping was in vogue when Tesla was designing and engineering the Model S. Better Place, an Israeli startup, raised $750 million in venture capital to prove the concept, and had 200 employees at a headquarters right near Tesla’s offices in Palo Alto. But in 2013, the company left the U.S., and then went bankrupt. That same year, Tesla signaled it was committed to battery-swapping. In June 2013, the company held an event at its design studio in Hawthorne, Calif., where it demonstrated a pack being swapped in 90 seconds. Ricardo Reyes, vice president of communications at Tesla, said the company subsequently invited Model S owners in California to use Tesla’s Harris Ranch swap center during road trips. Few accepted the offer, and even fewer were repeat customers, he
[EVDL] EVent: Gov pro-EV-tourism @pybuspublicmarket.org 3-6p 6/16 Wenatchee-WA
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Governor Jay Inslee Visits Pybus Market at 3:20pm For EV Tourism Discussion
Date/Time 06/16/2015 3:00 pm - 6:00 pm
Location Pybus Public Market
On Tuesday, June 16, Governor Jay Inslee will visit Pybus Market to learn
more about EV tourism and how it is successfully promoted in North Central
Washington. Plug-In NCW will have vehicles and experienced EV drivers on
hand to talk with the Governor about their experiences and expectations.
This is a public event and all interested are encouraged to attend. The
event is scheduled from 3 to 6 p.m. on Tuesday; the Governor will be present
from 3:20pm to 4 p.m.
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Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery
My e-bike battery died as well. I hacked in a Ryobi 40 volt battery and it works great. BMS is built into the battery. There is even a state of charge display on the battery. Cut the battery holder off of a for parts only 40 volt Ryobi weed wacker bought on eBay for $30. Attached it securely to the bike. Connected the plus and minus from the holder to the plus and minus from the bike. Simple simple. I just plug in the battery to the stock Ryobi charger to recharge. Here is the facebook post: https://www.facebook.com/killacycle/posts/683153211721270 You can get the batteries for about $60 on eBay. For parts only Ryobi weed wackers abound on eBay. Bill D. At 10:12 AM 6/15/2015, you wrote: A battery for my Prodeco bicycle turned up dead. The OEM replacement is nearly $500. Can someone point me toward a better solution? 36v, ~10ah. Has anyone heard of anyone doing cell replacements? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
