Re: [EVDL] Leaf range extender

2016-02-17 Thread Mr23 via EV

Thanks, Bruce, very timely for me, having looked at a used leaf tonight.

Has anyone looked into getting a second leaf pack and using 
contactors/etc to switch between packs ?

Would take up some interior space...

-Chris


On 2/17/2016 3:54 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

This topic has been discussed on the Leaf forum (do a search on  range
trailer  in that forum), but know the "Enginer" company is defunct/no longer
in business. Here are some (dated) links to explore:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=20070
Re: Increasing Nissan Leaf Range with mini battery trailer
Jun 27, 2015

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=16058
For Sale: Enginer 8khw Auxiliary Battery Pack
Mar 05, 2014

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=14654
Extra battery packs to extend the range,
Quote
Oct 13, 2013

(-trailers-)
http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/ep-tender-could-give-electric-cars-unlimited-range
EP Tender could give electric cars unlimited range
February 13, 2014
...
http://www.eptender.com
EP Tender  (in French)
...
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-EP-Tender-22kW-trailered-genset-tp4664602.html
EVLN: EP Tender 22kW trailered genset
Aug 06, 2013

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-new-ebuggy-e-mobility-concept-allows-electric-cars-to-travel-any-distance-170301246.html
September 19, 2012  Contact: Dr. Manfred Baumgaertner
ebuggy GmbH Industriestrasse 25 D-70565 Stuttgart Germany
+49-711-782395-60
http://nomadicpower.de/products/
Nomadic Power
https://www.facebook.com/ebuggy.com
...
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-ebuggy-rentable-addon-pack-trailer-More-Range-Scotty-td4658133.html
EVLN: ebuggy rentable addon-pack-trailer ... !More Range Scotty!
Sep 23, 2012

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=34697
Leaf propane-powered micro-turbine range extending trailer
Dec 16, 2011 ... Here's my Propane-Powered combination 30kW
Quick-Charger/Range Extender ...
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1070677_2012-nissan-leaf-gets-unofficial-jet-powered-range-extender-quick-charger




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Re: [EVDL] Leaf range extender

2016-02-17 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 17 Feb 2016 at 19:19, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:

> Take a small personal hiking butane or propane heater.
> Sure, its fossil fuel, but nothing is more efficient at producing heat.

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're referring to, Sebring-Vanguard tried 
something like that in the old Citicars.  They weren't vented, and the car's 
defroster was pitiful, so the water vapor from combustion fogged the windows 
within seconds.  

In a Leaf, I guess you could run the aircon to remove the water vapor, but 
then you're kind of back where you started.

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Re: [EVDL] Heater solution for S-10 conversion, tips & tricks

2016-02-17 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
 than she could
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Re: [EVDL] Resistive heater core access for S-10 conversion (EVA kit?) tips / tricks?

2016-02-17 Thread Jay Summet via EV

Thank you, that turned out to be very close to the problem. My cold /
hot flap had gotten stuck in the wrong position, so a lot of air was
flowing but not through the resistive core. Luckily it was an easy fix 
that did

not require me to remove the dash.

Jay



On February 17, 2016 8:15:36 AM EST, via EV  wrote:

You might need a new heater core. Your description, though, could just as 
well be ducting problem. If the controlling cable fell off, for example, the 
air would not be ducted across the heater core anymore and you’d see the 
current drop and lack of heat.

Bruce


I have an S-10 conversion with a resistive heater core (I assume
from
EVA, who supplied the rest of the kit). Unfortunately, I believe
the
heater core may be failing. It still draws 10+ amps when I first
turn it
on, but the draw rapidly drops to under an amp within 15
seconds, where
it used to draw 10+ amps all day. It still has plenty of air
flow from
the fan, but the air does not heat up at all (it used to get
lukewarm).

I know that if you don't have air flow over the resistive heater
element
it will self regulate (resistance will go up), but the fan is
blowing
plenty of air. I figure either the element itself is compromised
somehow, or perhaps it is no longer in the airflow path (I don't
know
why this would be, possibly it fell down or something...)

Reading a standard S10 service manual (I have a 95 model) I will
need to
remove the entire dash to access the (original) heater core. I was
wondering if anybody who had installed the EVA resistive heater kit
could tell me anything about how the resistive core is mounted,
and if
perhaps it would be possible to access it by pulling the blower
motor
off the firewall instead of removing the dash? (I'm hoping here)

Tips/trick for debugging the problem short of actually removing the
entire dash would also be appreciated.

I have an email out to EVA asking how much it would cost to buy a
replacement part, as if I remove the dash I want to be ready to
replace
it right away (and I'd take the opportunity to install a new amp
hour
gauge at the same time...)

Jay


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Re: [EVDL] Leaf range extender

2016-02-17 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Take a small personal hiking butane or propane heater.
Sure, its fossil fuel, but nothing is more efficient at producing heat.
Producing heat from a resistance heater from a battery, charged by 50%
coal is not efficient.

Better... just sit on a 50W medicinal heating pad pre-warmed by 120 VAC
before getting in the car.
The heat trapped between your butt and the seat lasts my full 30 minute
commute.

Bob


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Another thought I had was whether an add-on pack could be used just for
climate control.
For my commute, the heat is what shortens my range.

It might even be that I just need to study this:
"...The third [cable] is a high voltage cable that goes to the cabin
heater"

The past 3 weeks have been OK, I just tell the carpool team which day I
need to drive...
40 degrees today, 12 degrees tomorrow, easy choice :-) Leaving the carpool
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Re: [EVDL] Electric Coop magazine article on historic EV

2016-02-17 Thread Lawrence Harris via EV
I don’t think range has ever been the issue, it’s speed and range combined 
that’s hard.

The Detroit Electric was also in that range.  The listed range was 80mi (130km) 
using NiFe batteries.  There was a range ’test’ done where it reached 211mi 
(340km) but at a speed of about 20mi/hr.  There are details on Wikipedia - 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Electric 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Electric>

The wikipedia article on Frichie - 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Parker_Fritchle 
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Parker_Fritchle> is also fascinating.  
It says he worked on a hybrid electric after gas cars started to really take 
over.  Based on his patent filing the battery was probably lead acid but I 
don’t see anything that says that.  It does show a hydrometer calibrated to 
show charge instead of specific gravity - neat.

Lawrence

> On Feb 17, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Lee Hart via EV  wrote:
> 
> Fascinating! I hadn't heard of the Fritchle EV before. 100 miles on a charge 
> was an amazing achievement, especially considering the roads in those days. I 
> wonder if there are any details about his batteries?
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Re: [EVDL] Electric Coop magazine article on historic EV

2016-02-17 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Fascinating! I hadn't heard of the Fritchle EV before. 100 miles on a charge 
was an amazing achievement, especially considering the roads in those days. I 
wonder if there are any details about his batteries?


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Re: [EVDL] Leaf range extender

2016-02-17 Thread brucedp5 via EV
This topic has been discussed on the Leaf forum (do a search on  range
trailer  in that forum), but know the "Enginer" company is defunct/no longer
in business. Here are some (dated) links to explore:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=20070
Re: Increasing Nissan Leaf Range with mini battery trailer
Jun 27, 2015

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=16058
For Sale: Enginer 8khw Auxiliary Battery Pack
Mar 05, 2014

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=14654
Extra battery packs to extend the range,
Quote
Oct 13, 2013

(-trailers-)
http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/ep-tender-could-give-electric-cars-unlimited-range
EP Tender could give electric cars unlimited range
February 13, 2014
...
http://www.eptender.com
EP Tender  (in French)
...
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-EP-Tender-22kW-trailered-genset-tp4664602.html
EVLN: EP Tender 22kW trailered genset
Aug 06, 2013

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-new-ebuggy-e-mobility-concept-allows-electric-cars-to-travel-any-distance-170301246.html
September 19, 2012  Contact: Dr. Manfred Baumgaertner
ebuggy GmbH Industriestrasse 25 D-70565 Stuttgart Germany
+49-711-782395-60
http://nomadicpower.de/products/
Nomadic Power
https://www.facebook.com/ebuggy.com
...
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-ebuggy-rentable-addon-pack-trailer-More-Range-Scotty-td4658133.html
EVLN: ebuggy rentable addon-pack-trailer ... !More Range Scotty!
Sep 23, 2012

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=34697
Leaf propane-powered micro-turbine range extending trailer
Dec 16, 2011 ... Here's my Propane-Powered combination 30kW
Quick-Charger/Range Extender ...
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1070677_2012-nissan-leaf-gets-unofficial-jet-powered-range-extender-quick-charger




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Re: [EVDL] Leaf range extender

2016-02-17 Thread Seth Rothenberg via EV
Another thought I had was whether an add-on pack
could be used just for climate control.
For my commute, the heat is what shortens my range.

It might even be that I just need to study this:
"...The third [cable] is a high voltage cable
that goes to the cabin heater"

The past 3 weeks have been OK, I just tell
the carpool team which day I need to drive...
40 degrees today, 12 degrees tomorrow, easy choice :-)
Leaving the carpool team home also helps :-)
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Re: [EVDL] Leaf range extender

2016-02-17 Thread Jay Summet via EV



On 02/17/2016 11:31 AM, Seth Rothenberg via EV wrote:

EVers,
With some talk about increasing battery size or adding another
compatible battery, I was thinking about thisI don't know
how complicated it is or isn't to have 2 batteries and load-balance,
and share the charger, etc.that's fancy stuff

but what about having a spare (charged) battery and a
transfer switch?Or, in its most primitive, a long cable
with an Anderson connector (great for POC).


The 2013 leaf battery has 3 main connections to the car. One is a +/- 
high voltage power cable (200+ amps) that goes to the motor. One is a 
multi-connector cable which probably has CAN bus and other 12 volt 
power/signal wires. The third is a high voltage cable that goes to the 
cabin heater (if you don't have the heatpump option).  You would 
probably need to switch them all over at once.



And of course, the battery is physically mounted with lots of big bolts 
and a few grounding straps, so you would want to have a grounding cable 
from the 2nd battery box to the frame of the car.




It seems to me it would be simple to manage.
Drive to work, observe Oh No! only 10 miles of range left!
Press the A/B switch, Wow! 99% remaining!


It is possible that the cars computer checks the VIN number / serial 
number of the BMS of the battery, and won't work with a different 
battery. (Or maybe it doesn't careif it does care, there must be  a 
way to change/reset the serial number check for when Nissan replaces a 
battery.)




In Phase 1, use the same onboard charger;
Charging would take twice as long...
When I get home, I plug in as is.
The next day, when my carpool drops me off,
I hit the A/B button to charge the other battery.
(Soon enough, I may have L2 charging at home,
so the change could be made in the morning
before riding in carpool)


If you can "switch" the batteries back and forth, this would certainly work.






In Phase 2, might have a second onboard charger
(might be able to get it from the SAME crashed LEAF :-).
If this worked, I could pull into a Nissan dealership
that isn't blocking the chargersand use 2 chargers at once.


The 2013+ chargers are integrated into the power distribution block on 
top of the motor stack. The 2011/2012 Leaf's used a separate charger 
located in the trunk area, so it might be better to use one of those for 
your secondary charger.


The question is, is there a good source of batteries
already removed? Or, is it "Easy enough" to
a) learn how to test the battery before taking apart
a strange dead car
b) get the tools needed - floor jack, dolly, custom screwdrivers, etc.
and then go to my local crashed car lot?
(I work not far from Hunts Point Auto Parts :-)


You can buy a wrecked Leaf at many auto auctions in the CA / GA areas.

The biggest issue I see is carrying around the extra battery, it sure 
won't fit in the hatchback area, even with the seats folded down! You 
could potentially disassemble a battery and fit it into a "box" that 
would fit with the seats folded down, but then you would have lots of 
heavy battery modules inside the passenger compartment without the 
factory battery box around them. A trailer seems like the best bet for 
detach-ability / flexibility and ability to retain the factory battery 
box without modifications.


Jay
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Re: [EVDL] Leaf range extender

2016-02-17 Thread Michael Ross via EV
Pusher trailers have some merit in low speed pedal assist applications (but
not solar).  Drag is not a concern below 20mph, they can really help move a
touting load, and you can drop it for unloaded riding.  But solar panels is
just not a great idea for any vehicle.  There is always some burdensome
disadvantage.
On Feb 17, 2016 1:26 PM, "Peter C. Thompson via EV" 
wrote:

> The only reason for the range extender is to get your EV to a place that
> it normally could not reach. I've seriously considered building one for
> my 914, as my range is only 70 miles. Yes, the mileage is worse when
> using the extender, that is to be expected. However, the range extender
> is probably a better idea than using a pickup truck and trailer.
>
> YMMV.  :)
>
> Cheers, Peter
>
> On 2/17/16 10:13 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> > Just pulling my 4'x4' solar power trailer (about the smallest trailer
> > there is) and only 10" high plus the wheels decreases my Prius mileage by
> > 10 MPG at least.  That is a 20% range reduction right there...
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dube via
> EV
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 1:10 PM
> > To: EVDL Administrator; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf range extender
> >
> > Trailer range extenders have the severe limitation of adding drag to the
> > EV. The drag added by a trailer is quite significant and can negate a
> > large fraction of the added kW-hrs of whatever you may be hauling with
> the
> > trailer.
> >
> > It tends to be a "two steps forward, one step back" type situation.
> > The two additional wheels plus the aerodrag tend to be more than you
> would
> > initially think. In practice, I have found that pulling a small trailer
> > will increase the W-hr per mile usage of an EV by as much as 50%. It is
> an
> > eye opener.
> >
> > If you think about it, hauling a trailer is a lot of like dragging half a
> > car along behind you.
> >
> > Bill D.
> >
> > At 10:25 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:
> >> On 17 Feb 2016 at 16:36, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> >>
> >>> There have been a lot of past discussions on range
> >> extending.  Trailers, small
> >>> onboard chargers, etc.  In my opinion, they are rarely justified
> >>
> >> A battery trailer isn't exactly elegant, but it works.  It lets you
> >> have a small, light battery in your EV to handle your everyday needs,
> >> but still have lots of range (only) when you need it.
> >>
> >> The big downside is that a trailer is a royal pain to back.  It also
> >> makes the car longer.  Forget parallel parking.
> >>
> >> Team New England's Solectria Force ran a battery trailer for 3 years
> >> (1999-
> >> 2002) in the Tour de Sol. It got 156 miles on a charge, about 3-4 times
> >> the typical range for a lead-battery Force.  They had a total of about
> > 26kWh.
> >>
> >> http://drmm.net/images/tne_super_force.png
> >>
> >> The battery trailer is a kid's sandbox on wheels!  The shape not only
> >> improved the aerodynamics, it also got a lot of smiles from onlookers.
> >>
> >> I wonder how a Leaf would fare with a scheme similar to the plug-in
> >> Prius conversions of several years ago, where the aux battery is set up
> >> to just keep charging the Leaf's onboard battery.
> >>
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Re: [EVDL] Leaf range extender

2016-02-17 Thread Peter C. Thompson via EV
The only reason for the range extender is to get your EV to a place that
it normally could not reach. I've seriously considered building one for
my 914, as my range is only 70 miles. Yes, the mileage is worse when
using the extender, that is to be expected. However, the range extender
is probably a better idea than using a pickup truck and trailer.

YMMV.  :)

Cheers, Peter

On 2/17/16 10:13 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> Just pulling my 4'x4' solar power trailer (about the smallest trailer
> there is) and only 10" high plus the wheels decreases my Prius mileage by
> 10 MPG at least.  That is a 20% range reduction right there...
> 
> Bob
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dube via EV
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 1:10 PM
> To: EVDL Administrator; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf range extender
> 
> Trailer range extenders have the severe limitation of adding drag to the
> EV. The drag added by a trailer is quite significant and can negate a
> large fraction of the added kW-hrs of whatever you may be hauling with the
> trailer.
> 
> It tends to be a "two steps forward, one step back" type situation.
> The two additional wheels plus the aerodrag tend to be more than you would
> initially think. In practice, I have found that pulling a small trailer
> will increase the W-hr per mile usage of an EV by as much as 50%. It is an
> eye opener.
> 
> If you think about it, hauling a trailer is a lot of like dragging half a
> car along behind you.
> 
> Bill D.
> 
> At 10:25 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:
>> On 17 Feb 2016 at 16:36, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>>
>>> There have been a lot of past discussions on range
>> extending.  Trailers, small
>>> onboard chargers, etc.  In my opinion, they are rarely justified
>>
>> A battery trailer isn't exactly elegant, but it works.  It lets you
>> have a small, light battery in your EV to handle your everyday needs,
>> but still have lots of range (only) when you need it.
>>
>> The big downside is that a trailer is a royal pain to back.  It also
>> makes the car longer.  Forget parallel parking.
>>
>> Team New England's Solectria Force ran a battery trailer for 3 years
>> (1999-
>> 2002) in the Tour de Sol. It got 156 miles on a charge, about 3-4 times
>> the typical range for a lead-battery Force.  They had a total of about
> 26kWh.
>>
>> http://drmm.net/images/tne_super_force.png
>>
>> The battery trailer is a kid's sandbox on wheels!  The shape not only
>> improved the aerodynamics, it also got a lot of smiles from onlookers.
>>
>> I wonder how a Leaf would fare with a scheme similar to the plug-in
>> Prius conversions of several years ago, where the aux battery is set up
>> to just keep charging the Leaf's onboard battery.
>>
>> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
>> EVDL Administrator
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Re: [EVDL] Leaf range extender

2016-02-17 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Just pulling my 4'x4' solar power trailer (about the smallest trailer
there is) and only 10" high plus the wheels decreases my Prius mileage by
10 MPG at least.  That is a 20% range reduction right there...

Bob

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dube via EV
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 1:10 PM
To: EVDL Administrator; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf range extender

Trailer range extenders have the severe limitation of adding drag to the
EV. The drag added by a trailer is quite significant and can negate a
large fraction of the added kW-hrs of whatever you may be hauling with the
trailer.

It tends to be a "two steps forward, one step back" type situation.
The two additional wheels plus the aerodrag tend to be more than you would
initially think. In practice, I have found that pulling a small trailer
will increase the W-hr per mile usage of an EV by as much as 50%. It is an
eye opener.

If you think about it, hauling a trailer is a lot of like dragging half a
car along behind you.

Bill D.

At 10:25 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:
>On 17 Feb 2016 at 16:36, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>
> > There have been a lot of past discussions on range
> extending.  Trailers, small
> > onboard chargers, etc.  In my opinion, they are rarely justified
>
>A battery trailer isn't exactly elegant, but it works.  It lets you
>have a small, light battery in your EV to handle your everyday needs,
>but still have lots of range (only) when you need it.
>
>The big downside is that a trailer is a royal pain to back.  It also
>makes the car longer.  Forget parallel parking.
>
>Team New England's Solectria Force ran a battery trailer for 3 years
>(1999-
>2002) in the Tour de Sol. It got 156 miles on a charge, about 3-4 times
>the typical range for a lead-battery Force.  They had a total of about
26kWh.
>
>http://drmm.net/images/tne_super_force.png
>
>The battery trailer is a kid's sandbox on wheels!  The shape not only
>improved the aerodynamics, it also got a lot of smiles from onlookers.
>
>I wonder how a Leaf would fare with a scheme similar to the plug-in
>Prius conversions of several years ago, where the aux battery is set up
>to just keep charging the Leaf's onboard battery.
>
>David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
>EVDL Administrator

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Re: [EVDL] Leaf range extender

2016-02-17 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Trailer range extenders have the severe limitation of adding drag to 
the EV. The drag added by a trailer is quite significant and can 
negate a large fraction of the added kW-hrs of whatever you may be 
hauling with the trailer.


It tends to be a "two steps forward, one step back" type situation. 
The two additional wheels plus the aerodrag tend to be more than you 
would initially think. In practice, I have found that pulling a small 
trailer will increase the W-hr per mile usage of an EV by as much as 
50%. It is an eye opener.


If you think about it, hauling a trailer is a lot of like dragging 
half a car along behind you.


Bill D.

At 10:25 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:

On 17 Feb 2016 at 16:36, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

> There have been a lot of past discussions on range 
extending.  Trailers, small

> onboard chargers, etc.  In my opinion, they are rarely justified

A battery trailer isn't exactly elegant, but it works.  It lets you have a
small, light battery in your EV to handle your everyday needs, but still
have lots of range (only) when you need it.

The big downside is that a trailer is a royal pain to back.  It also makes
the car longer.  Forget parallel parking.

Team New England's Solectria Force ran a battery trailer for 3 years (1999-
2002) in the Tour de Sol. It got 156 miles on a charge, about 3-4 times the
typical range for a lead-battery Force.  They had a total of about 26kWh.

http://drmm.net/images/tne_super_force.png

The battery trailer is a kid's sandbox on wheels!  The shape not only
improved the aerodynamics, it also got a lot of smiles from onlookers.

I wonder how a Leaf would fare with a scheme similar to the plug-in Prius
conversions of several years ago, where the aux battery is set up to just
keep charging the Leaf's onboard battery.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator


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Re: [EVDL] Leaf range extender

2016-02-17 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 17 Feb 2016 at 16:36, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

> There have been a lot of past discussions on range extending.  Trailers, small
> onboard chargers, etc.  In my opinion, they are rarely justified

A battery trailer isn't exactly elegant, but it works.  It lets you have a 
small, light battery in your EV to handle your everyday needs, but still 
have lots of range (only) when you need it.  

The big downside is that a trailer is a royal pain to back.  It also makes 
the car longer.  Forget parallel parking.

Team New England's Solectria Force ran a battery trailer for 3 years (1999-
2002) in the Tour de Sol. It got 156 miles on a charge, about 3-4 times the 
typical range for a lead-battery Force.  They had a total of about 26kWh.

http://drmm.net/images/tne_super_force.png

The battery trailer is a kid's sandbox on wheels!  The shape not only 
improved the aerodynamics, it also got a lot of smiles from onlookers.  

I wonder how a Leaf would fare with a scheme similar to the plug-in Prius 
conversions of several years ago, where the aux battery is set up to just 
keep charging the Leaf's onboard battery.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] Leaf range extender

2016-02-17 Thread Peri Hartman via EV

Seth,

Are you willing to add 1000 pounds to your vehicle?  Even if the frame 
and suspension can be modified to handle that, what are the losses from 
carrying around all that extra weight.  Alternatively, if you were to 
put the spare battery in a trailer, what would your losses be from that, 
including increased aero drag?


There have been a lot of past discussions on range extending.  Trailers, 
small onboard chargers, etc.  In my opinion, they are rarely justified.


Peri

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From: "Seth Rothenberg via EV" 
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
Sent: 17-Feb-16 8:31:10 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Leaf range extender


EVers,
With some talk about increasing battery size or adding another
compatible battery, I was thinking about thisI don't know
how complicated it is or isn't to have 2 batteries and load-balance,
and share the charger, etc.that's fancy stuff

but what about having a spare (charged) battery and a
transfer switch?Or, in its most primitive, a long cable
with an Anderson connector (great for POC).

It seems to me it would be simple to manage.
Drive to work, observe Oh No! only 10 miles of range left!
Press the A/B switch, Wow! 99% remaining!

In Phase 1, use the same onboard charger;
Charging would take twice as long...
When I get home, I plug in as is.
The next day, when my carpool drops me off,
I hit the A/B button to charge the other battery.
(Soon enough, I may have L2 charging at home,
so the change could be made in the morning
before riding in carpool)

In Phase 2, might have a second onboard charger
(might be able to get it from the SAME crashed LEAF :-).
If this worked, I could pull into a Nissan dealership
that isn't blocking the chargersand use 2 chargers at once.

The question is, is there a good source of batteries
already removed? Or, is it "Easy enough" to
a) learn how to test the battery before taking apart
a strange dead car
b) get the tools needed - floor jack, dolly, custom screwdrivers, etc.
and then go to my local crashed car lot?
(I work not far from Hunts Point Auto Parts :-)
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[EVDL] Leaf range extender

2016-02-17 Thread Seth Rothenberg via EV
EVers,
With some talk about increasing battery size or adding another
compatible battery, I was thinking about thisI don't know
how complicated it is or isn't to have 2 batteries and load-balance,
and share the charger, etc.that's fancy stuff

but what about having a spare (charged) battery and a
transfer switch?Or, in its most primitive, a long cable
with an Anderson connector (great for POC).

It seems to me it would be simple to manage.
Drive to work, observe Oh No! only 10 miles of range left!
Press the A/B switch, Wow! 99% remaining!

In Phase 1, use the same onboard charger;
Charging would take twice as long...
When I get home, I plug in as is.
The next day, when my carpool drops me off,
I hit the A/B button to charge the other battery.
(Soon enough, I may have L2 charging at home,
so the change could be made in the morning
before riding in carpool)

In Phase 2, might have a second onboard charger
(might be able to get it from the SAME crashed LEAF :-).
If this worked, I could pull into a Nissan dealership
that isn't blocking the chargersand use 2 chargers at once.

The question is, is there a good source of batteries
already removed? Or, is it "Easy enough" to
a) learn how to test the battery before taking apart
a strange dead car
b) get the tools needed - floor jack, dolly, custom screwdrivers, etc.
and then go to my local crashed car lot?
(I work not far from Hunts Point Auto Parts :-)
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Re: [EVDL] Looking for batteries

2016-02-17 Thread Cruisin via EV
Brand New Volt battery modules 12vdc, 24vdc, 36vdc, 48vdc, 72vdc and 98vdc
with or without BMS available at crui...@live.com or pay a little more on
Ebay from same seller. Used extensively in golf carts, RV's, EV conversions,
sail and power boats. In stock in Livermore, CA.

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Re: [EVDL] Resistive heater core access for S-10 conversion (EVA kit?) tips / tricks?

2016-02-17 Thread via EV
You might need a new heater core. Your description, though, could just as well 
be ducting problem. If the controlling cable fell off, for example, the air 
would not be ducted across the heater core anymore and you’d see the current 
drop and lack of heat.

Bruce


> I have an S-10 conversion with a resistive heater core (I assume from 
> EVA, who supplied the rest of the kit).  Unfortunately, I believe the 
> heater core may be failing. It still draws 10+ amps when I first turn it 
> on, but the draw rapidly drops to under an amp within 15 seconds, where 
> it used to draw 10+ amps all day. It still has plenty of air flow from 
> the fan, but the air does not heat up at all (it used to get lukewarm).
> 
> I know that if you don't have air flow over the resistive heater element 
> it will self regulate (resistance will go up), but the fan is blowing 
> plenty of air.  I figure either the element itself is compromised 
> somehow, or perhaps it is no longer in the airflow path (I don't know 
> why this would be, possibly it fell down or something...)
> 
> Reading a standard S10 service manual (I have a 95 model) I will need to 
> remove the entire dash to access the (original) heater core.  I was 
> wondering if anybody who had installed the EVA resistive heater kit 
> could tell me anything about how the resistive core is mounted, and if 
> perhaps it would be possible to access it by pulling the blower motor 
> off the firewall instead of removing the dash? (I'm hoping here)
> 
> Tips/trick for debugging the problem short of actually removing the 
> entire dash would also be appreciated.
> 
> I have an email out to EVA asking how much it would cost to buy a 
> replacement part, as if I remove the dash I want to be ready to replace 
> it right away (and I'd take the opportunity to install a new amp hour 
> gauge at the same time...)
> 
> Jay

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Re: [EVDL] Resistive heater core access for S-10 conversion (EVA kit?) tips / tricks?

2016-02-17 Thread Pestka Denis via EV
Jay;

Check that your contactor is pulling in.
My heater works great at the high speed, but if I switch to a slower speed, the 
contactor drops out.
No current to the resistive core, and no heat.

Dennis
Elsberry, MO


From: EV  on behalf of Jay Summet via EV 

Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:49 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: [EVDL] Resistive heater core access for S-10 conversion (EVA kit?) 
tips / tricks?

I have an S-10 conversion with a resistive heater core (I assume from
EVA, who supplied the rest of the kit).  Unfortunately, I believe the
heater core may be failing. It still draws 10+ amps when I first turn it
on, but the draw rapidly drops to under an amp within 15 seconds, where
it used to draw 10+ amps all day. It still has plenty of air flow from
the fan, but the air does not heat up at all (it used to get lukewarm).

I know that if you don't have air flow over the resistive heater element
it will self regulate (resistance will go up), but the fan is blowing
plenty of air.  I figure either the element itself is compromised
somehow, or perhaps it is no longer in the airflow path (I don't know
why this would be, possibly it fell down or something...)

Reading a standard S10 service manual (I have a 95 model) I will need to
remove the entire dash to access the (original) heater core.  I was
wondering if anybody who had installed the EVA resistive heater kit
could tell me anything about how the resistive core is mounted, and if
perhaps it would be possible to access it by pulling the blower motor
off the firewall instead of removing the dash? (I'm hoping here)

Tips/trick for debugging the problem short of actually removing the
entire dash would also be appreciated.

I have an email out to EVA asking how much it would cost to buy a
replacement part, as if I remove the dash I want to be ready to replace
it right away (and I'd take the opportunity to install a new amp hour
gauge at the same time...)

Jay
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[EVDL] Looking for batteries

2016-02-17 Thread Jerry Rhodes via EV
I have  been lurking for a long time and putting together a couple projects
And now I need a couple power packs, a 36vdc and a 48vdc pack. Can someone 
Give me a source for batteries from wrecks?? Thank you

Jerry  NW Ohio
ETC...  


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[EVDL] EVent: $600 Arrow Smart e-kart 4kids5-9 @Toy Fair 2/13-16 NYC-NY

2016-02-17 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://www.autoblog.com/2016/02/13/actev-arrow-smart-kart-electric-kids/
Actev Arrow Smart-Kart could be a perfect EV for kids
Feb 13th 2016  Sebastian Blanco

[video  
https://vimeo.com/154869778


image  flash
Actev Electric Kart
]

Whe! but with parental controls.

Introducing Actev Motors Arrow Smart- Kart from Actev Motors on Vimeo.

They say that once you've experienced driving an electric vehicle, your EV
grin never really goes away. If you're like to indoctrinate educate some
young children to enjoying electric drive, then perhaps a spin in an Arrow
Smart-Kart is the thing to try. HIgh tech and still kind of mysterious, this
kart by Actec is not open for pre-order starting at $599.95.

We haven't driven or even seen one of these in person, but the website and
new press release sure makes the Arrow Smart-Kart look like fun. Designed
for kids between 5 and 9, the tiny EV has a lot of features you might not
expect from a traditional go kart. Things like built-in WiFi and GPS, an app
that lets parents control speed and safety, and collision avoidance sensors.
On the "let's just drive" side of things, the Smart-Kart has two independent
250-Watt electric motors, a steel chassis, and a blistering top speed of 12
miles per hour. Find out more in the release below or watch the ad above.

[-pr-]
Actev Motors Introduces World's First 'Smart-Kart' For Kids

Electric go-kart immerses kids in an exciting driving experience with
advanced safety and app-based controls for parents

Mountain View, Calif. – February 11, 2016 – Actev Motors, creators of smart,
electric vehicles for families, today unveiled the Arrow Smart-Kart, the
first smart, electric go-kart for kids. The Arrow, designed by professional
racecar drivers and inspired by technology in today's most advanced cars,
comes with a sleek design and is packed with performance and safety
features. Young drivers are guaranteed an exciting driving experience while
parents can supervise on their iOS or Android device through the Arrow app.

"As a long time-car enthusiast, I wanted to leverage my 35 years of
technology experience to bring a whole new category of fun and safe vehicles
to families," said Dave Bell, CEO and co-founder of Actev Motors. "Simple
battery-powered ride-on cars don't excite today's kids – they seek high-tech
interactive experiences. The Arrow Smart-Kart gets kids off the couch and
outside, and behind the wheel of a real driving machine."

The Arrow Smart-Kart, sized for kids five to nine years old, can be easily
configured to match each driver's skill level. Arrow combines the excitement
of a real driving experience with the confidence of parental supervision via
the Arrow mobile app. The app connects to the Smart-Kart via WiFi and equips
parents with several safety features:

 - Adjustable maximum speed limit (up to 12 mph)

 - Collision avoidance automatically stops Arrow if an obstacle is detected

 - Emergency stop button immediately halts Arrow

 - Geo-fencing prevents the driver from going outside a parent-defined
geographic boundary

 - Inactivity timer alerts the parent if Arrow is motionless for a
selectable time period

Kids will love personalizing their driving experience by downloading
synthesized engine sounds from an online sound library. The Arrow app also
lets kids monitor stats such as total driving time, total distance and
maximum speed. In the coming months, a growing list of accessories will
become available for the Arrow Smart-Kart, including custom body kits,
drifting wheel rings, a Formula-1 inspired steering wheel, distance-sensing
'smart cones', laser tag sensors and gaming apps.

With the debut of the Arrow Smart-Kart, Actev Motors enters the toy industry
with the goal of transforming the kid's ride-on vehicle market. Based in
Silicon Valley, the company is creating fun, safe and affordable children's
vehicles by leveraging technology found in today's smartphones and most
advanced cars.

The Arrow Smart-Kart, priced at $599.95, is now available to pre-order
online and will begin shipping in early summer 2016.

The Arrow Smart-Kart will be unveiled at the Toy Fair in New York City from
February 13 – 16, 2016 at Actev Motors' Booth #4615 (located on Level 1 of
the Javits Convention Center). Additionally, ride-on demonstrations will be
showcased in the lobby of the Crystal Palace (located on level 3). For more
information, visit: www.actevmotors.com/press

About Actev Motors
Silicon Valley-based Actev Motors was formed in 2014 with the mission of
transforming the recreational and utility vehicle market. Founded by
experienced technology leaders and staffed by car enthusiasts, Actev is
leveraging technology found in smartphones and high-end cars to create
entirely new capabilities. The company's first product is the Arrow
Smart-Kart -- a fun, safe and affordable go-kart aimed at five to
nine-year-old kids.
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[EVDL] NZ street charging a red flag for the 15% non-home owners

2016-02-17 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/76827606/.html
On-street parking riskier proposition if electric vehicles take-off
February 15 2016  TOM PULLAR-STRECKER

[image]  The number of electric cars on New Zealand roads has now hit
four-figures.
DAVID MANNING/REUTERS

Unless you are a multimillionaire, buying a house in New Zealand is likely
to mean making a few compromises.

But settling for house without a garage or off-street parking could be one
compromise you don't want to make, if electric vehicles take-off as expected
over the next 10 or 20 years.

Transport Minister Simon Bridges said New Zealand was well-placed to switch
to electric vehicles in part because a high proportion of Kiwi homes had
off-street parking which enabled "easy overnight charging".

[image] Transport Minister Simon Bridges has highlighted the importance of
off-street parking in EV take-up.

About 85 per cent of Kiwi homes have off-street parking, according to
property information company QV.

But Bridges observation raises a red flag for the 15 per cent of homeowners
who rely on on-street parking and who might have no way to securely recharge
an "EV", other than relying on potentially busy public charging stations.

The number of electric vehicles registered in New Zealand has just ticked
over 1000. Many of them are fleet vehicles as EVs can add-up for business
owners that run up very high mileage on lots of short trips.

Take-up among consumers has been hampered by the initial outlay and their
limited range. One of the most popular electric cars, the Nissan Leaf,
retails for $39,000 new or about $20,000 for three-to-four-year-old
second-hand models.  

The International Energy Authority forecasts demand will take-off worldwide
once the price of electric cars drops below that of equivalent petrol-driven
cars in about 2020.

Harcourts Wellington sales director Antonia Brown said EVs were too futurist
for charging issues to figure high on home-buyers' agenda now. But she said
that could change, noting other tech trends had quickly fed through to the
property market.

"Certainly people want to know if a street has got fast broadband now, when
five years ago' people were still getting to grips with that."

Brown said it was fair to say that anyone in Wellington who could put a
garage on their property probably had already.

"They are a very desirable commodity in the sloping suburbs and if electric
cars become more prevalent those houses with them will become more
desirable."   

Bridges said in October that the Government hoped to announce a package of
measures by the end of last year to "support and encourage the uptake of
electric vehicles".

A spokeswoman for the minister said the package was still being worked on
but Bridges hoped to take a paper to the Cabinet in the near future.

Lines company Vector extended its public-charging network with the
installation of two "rapid charging" stations in the Auckland suburb of
Newmarket on Friday morning.

These are capable of recharging EV batteries in between 15 and 30 minutes,
but only if there is no queue for their use. In comparison, it takes about
90 seconds to fill an average-sized fuel tank with petrol.

Garages may eventually return to their prime function of storing all the
junk you can no longer squeeze into your house; Google's ultimate vision is
that no-one need own a car and that self-driving cars will instead come
around to your place when you need one. 
[© stuff.co.nz]
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/75069769/Electric-vehicle-wins-over-Wellington-man-Sigurd-Magnusson
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Re: [EVDL] Heater solution for S-10 conversion, tips & tricks

2016-02-17 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
> From: Roland via EV 
> 
> I also left the original hot water heater core in the vehicle.

I’m still working on the conversion, but I left the original hot water heater 
core in, too, and I’m planning on feeding it with a Webasto diesel-fired water 
heater. You can sometimes pick these up from bulletin boards at marianas, as 
they are commonly used for boat heating.

I know, I’m not “zero carbon” this way, but given how hard resistance heat 
sucks your battery, I just figure it’s like I’m getting about 500 miles to the 
gallon. :-)

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[EVDL] EVLN: For all the tiny Musk fans out there> $500 Toy Tesla-S

2016-02-17 Thread brucedp5 via EV


% Will the Barbie Jeep diva student get one if she graduates?
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http://www.gizmag.com/tesla-model-s-for-kids-radio-flyer/41858/
Teeny Tesla Model S for Kids (almost) ready to roll
FEBRUARY 16, 2016  PAUL RIDDEN

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Youngsters are promised up to 6 miles of continuous driving fun per charge,
and a top speed of 6 mph

http://img-2.gizmag.com/tesla-model-s-for-kids-radio-flyer-1.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&h=670&q=60&w=930&s=1a462fc348906cbe8062c69b1253db18
The Tesla Model S for Kids is due for release in May 2016


video
https://youtu.be/TGom8Y5wAow
Tesla Model S for Kids by Radio Flyer
Radio Flyer Feb 16, 2016
Tesla Model S for Kids by Radio Flyer boasts the exhilarating performance of
a Tesla and features the longest run time and fastest recharge time thanks
to the use of FlightSpeed Lithium Ion battery technology. The most
innovative battery powered ride-on for children was created by Radio Flyer
in collaboration with Tesla to ensure the highest levels of fun and
performance. You can pre-order now and it will ship to you in May 2016:
www.radioflyer.com/tesla
]

The Tesla Model S for Kids is due for release in May 2016

Thanks to a collaboration between veteran toy maker Radio Flyer and Elon
Musk's Tesla Motors, 3-8 year-old electric car enthusiasts will soon be able
to hit the parks and sidewalks in their very own Model S. The single seater
can zoom along at up to 6 mph for around 6 miles before needing to hit the
plug-in charger for a top up.

The imaginatively-named Tesla Model S for Kids is reported to be the first
young driver's vehicle to be powered by FlightSpeed Li-ion batteries. It
takes around 3 hours to charge, and proud young owners can mirror the
charging behaviors of grown-ups by plugging the included cable right into
the mini model's own charging port. The battery pack can also be popped out
and topped up away from the car.

Youngsters are promised up to 6 miles (9.6 km), or 1-2 hours, of continuous
driving fun per charge with the standard battery pack, or 9 miles (or up to
3 hours) with the optional premium battery. There are two speed modes, plus
reverse. The first will see the cute little electric car zoom up to 3 mph
(4.8 km/h), while the second (Insane Mode?) tops out at a nail-biting 6 mph.

The 40.5 lb (18 kg) Model S features working headlights, storage under the
hood, an onboard sound system for plugging in a music player and 9-inch
diameter, 4-inch thick wheels. A choice of colors is available, with Radio
Flyer promising an "authentic Tesla Model S premium paint finish." Buyers
can also choose the rim color and add a personalized license plate and
parking sign.

The video below introduces the Tesla Model S for Kids, but best not show
your kids unless you're ready to part with the US$499 ticket price. The car
is due for release this coming May.
[© GIZMAG 2016]



http://toyland.gizmodo.com/rich-kids-in-tiny-tesla-model-s-ride-ons-will-now-be-lo-1759260957
Rich Kids in Tiny Tesla Model S Ride-ons Will Now Be Looking Down on You Too
[February 15, 2016]  Andrew Liszewski

[images  
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--hn3oku1---/xypgybpv7nf5dmlx8xxf.jpg
] ...

What you’re really paying for when you buy an electric car like the Tesla
Model S isn’t the savings on fuel, or even the whisper quiet ride. You’re
paying for the ability to be smug and self-righteous to drivers in
gas-powered cars, and now even little kids can start making others feel
guilty about driving a gas-guzzler.

Tesla Motors teamed up with Radio Flyer—the company most famous for its red
metal wagons—to create a miniature version of the Model S that uses similar
battery technology to achieve a top speed of six miles per hour. And before
you start to consider it as a cheaper alternative to a real Tesla Model S,
keep in mind this $500 version—shipping some time in May—can only support
drivers up to 81 pounds.

Almost every last detail of Radio Flyer’s Tesla Model S is borrowed from the
full-sized car, including the turbine-inspired hub caps, the working
headlights, the color options, the battery charging port, and even the
optional $50 indoor car cover.

Other options include a more powerful battery offering about 50 percent more
run time, and even a custom vanity license plate in case you weren’t 100
percent sure if your kid driving around a tiny replica Tesla Model S wasn’t
already obnoxious enough.
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http://mikeshouts.com/tesla-model-s-for-kids-by-radio-flyer/
RADIO FLYER’S TESLA MODEL S FOR KIDS CHARGES LIKE THE REAL THING
FEBRUARY 16, 2016
[images
http://mikeshouts.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Tesla-Model-S-For-Kids-by-Radio-Flyer-image-1-630x354.jpg
Plugs in and charges like the real thing

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[EVDL] EVLN: E.WA Utility Avista wants to install 265 EVSE as pilot program

2016-02-17 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/feb/14/avista-wants-to-install-265-electric-vehicle-charg/
Avista wants to install 265 electric vehicle charging stations in Eastern
Washington
FEB. 14, 2016  Nicholas Deshais

Avista has asked state regulators to approve a two-year pilot program that
would greatly expand the use of electric vehicles in Eastern Washington,
installing 265 charging stations in homes, workplaces and public locations.

In a document filed with the Washington Utilities and Transportation
Commission last month, Avista laid out its reasons for the program, which
include environmental benefits, fuel cost savings and vehicle performance.

“An Avista EVSE (electric vehicle supply equipment) program is key to
enabling great electric vehicle adoption that results in benefits to all
customers,” the document reads. “A comprehensive EVSE program aligns with
state policy goals to achieve societal benefits, is responsive to customers,
and addresses critical adoption barriers.”

The utility company expects the program to cost nearly $3.1 million to
install. The company aims to place charging stations in 120 homes, 100
workplaces and 45 public locations. Seven of the public locations would have
fast-charging DC stations, which can fill a battery in 15 to 20 minutes.

Mary Tyrie, an Avista spokeswoman, said it has not yet been decided how the
locations will be chosen, but will be soon after approval, which is expected
next month. If the program is approved, it will begin in May.

Electrifying the transportation sector aligns with goals of the NW Energy
Coalition, Gov. Jay Inslee and the state’s Transportation Department, which
recently released the Washington State Electric Vehicle Action Plan. That
plan calls for 50,000 electric vehicles in the state by 2020, a goal Inslee
has reiterated. Currently, about 12,000 electric vehicles are registered in
Washington.

The document argues that the pilot program will help spur adoption of
electric vehicles in the Spokane area as well as put the region on track
with existing trends in ownership of electric cars.

Andrew Biviano, a local attorney and electric vehicle enthusiast, is one of
the 300 Avista customers the company estimates owns an electric car. He
bought a Nissan Leaf in June 2014 after having a “light bulb moment” on his
commute to work, which took him by the Steam Plant and its public charger.
At the time, it was “never being used,” Biviano said.

“But within six months, it became a battle. This morning, there was the
Chevy Volt [pih], my nemesis,” Biviano said, laughing ...

With Avista’s planned rollout of additional charging stations, Biviano said,
people could see more plainly the benefits of electric vehicles.

“They’re incredibly cheap to operate, not only on gas but with maintenance.
You don’t have oil changes,” he said. “Literally, you have to rotate the
tires once a year and top off the wiper fluid. That’s it.”

Biviano estimates he spends $20 a month on electricity to travel 1,000
miles. Most days, he simply plugs his car into a standard wall outlet at
home, which takes 12 hours to give him 60 miles. Though newer electric
vehicles have ranges of up to 100 miles, the lack of charging infrastructure
has kept the charge time high.

Avista’s pilot program aims to install home stations with better technology
that could replenish batteries at 30 miles in about two hours, which should
suffice for the average commuter who drives 29 miles a day, according to
numbers from the U.S. Department of Transportation.

Similar technology would be installed in workplaces and most of the planned
public places. Avista will reimburse customers for the installation of
chargers, offering up to $1,000 for home installation and $2,000 for
businesses and public places. Customers will be responsible to pay for the
electricity they use.

A fully electrified vehicle fleet has obvious benefits to electric companies
like Avista. But the company points out the gains beyond their profit
margin.

According to the state’s Electric Vehicle Action Plan, 50 percent of the
state’s carbon dioxide emissions come from the transportation sector.
Switching to an electric vehicle would reduce CO2 emissions from an Avista
customer by 79 percent, or more than 1 ton of CO2 annually, according to the
company.

Avista’s energy comes primarily from water power, with nearly 48 percent of
its energy mix coming from dams. Six percent of Avista’s power comes from
wind. Just 9 percent comes from coal, the biggest contributor of CO2
emissions for electric facilities. Another 35 percent comes from natural
gas, which also produces CO2 but not near the levels coal does.

“In addition to the near-term benefits of improved air quality, over the
long term the electrification of the transportation sector will likely play
a key role in the larger effort to reduce climate change risk,” Avista wrote
in its document.

Another benefit to switching to electric vehicles, the company said, comes
from price stabi

[EVDL] EVLN: FedEx Adds Two Nissan e-NV200 Electric Vans to Its Tokyo.jp Fleet

2016-02-17 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://ngtnews.com/fedex-adds-two-nissan-e-nv200-electric-vans-to-its-tokyo-fleet/
FedEx Adds Two Nissan e-NV200 Electric Vans to Its Tokyo Fleet
Feb 11, 2016

[image  
http://ngtnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/fedex-e-nv200.jpg
(FedEx e-NV200)
] 

FedEx Express  in Japan is introducing two all-electric Nissan e-NV200
vehicles at the Shinsuna station for Tokyo-area pickups and deliveries.
FedEx also installed an e-NV200 battery charging station at the facility.

Based on the Nissan Leaf, the e-NV200 uses the same 24 kWh battery pack and
electric drivetrain as its compact car cousin. The e-NV200 is rated at 106
miles per charge on the European testing cycle, which translates to about 84
miles using the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency testing cycle. Using a
CHAdeMO fast charger, the e-NV200 can get as much as an 80% charge in 30
minutes.

The introduction of all-electric vehicles is one measure in the FedEx
long-term approach to environmental issues, the company says. As of 2014,
FedEx says it has 397 hybrid vehicles, 404 electric vehicles, 132 natural
gas-fueled vehicles and 40 hydrogen-fueled vehicles globally. FedEx Japan
has seven hybrid vehicles and nine natural gas-fueled vehicles as of this
month.

FedEx began testing the e-NV200 in America back in 2014. Although the Nissan
e-NV200 has been available for sale in Japan and select European countries
since last year, the automaker has yet to make it available for purchase in
the U.S.
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[EVDL] EVLN: Three LED Uncles parade their lit Electric bicycles on Saturdays (v)

2016-02-17 Thread brucedp5 via EV


'We look forward to e-bike parading every Saturday for Tourists'

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/three-men-their-two-wheelers-and-an-electric-light-parade
Three men, their two-wheelers and an electric light parade
FEB 11, 2016  Kevin Lim

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http://www.straitstimes.com/sites/default/files/styles/x_large/public/articles/2016/02/11/st_20160211_pixspread11s_2049165_0.jpg?itok=ATZyaCmm
Mr Cheong (above, front left), and Mr Peter (behind Mr Cheong) parading
their electric bicycles alongside other performers from People’s Association
to promote Chingay during Pedestrian Night in Orchard Road on Jan 2; Mr
Cheong with his brightly lit helmet on.PHOTO: KEVIN LIM

http://www.straitstimes.com/sites/default/files/styles/x_large/public/articles/2016/02/11/st_20160211_pixspread11xv12_2049189_0.jpg?itok=i_zhE3xx
A child reaches out to touch an ornament on Mr Cheong’s electric bicycle. Mr
Cheong keeps a keen eye out for intrusive hands that might damage his
decorations.PHOTO: KEVIN LIM

http://www.straitstimes.com/sites/default/files/styles/x_large/public/articles/2016/02/11/st_20160211_pixspread11_2049187_0.jpg?itok=eNYKatJ2
Two batteries power the LED bulbs and sound system on Mr Cheong’s electric
bicycle. He also packs two extra batteries in the front basket of his bike
to ensure that the lights don’t go out.PHOTO: KEVIN LIM


video  flash
]

For the trio, decking out their bikes with LED lights and showing them off
is a labour of love

Inspiration seems to strike Mr Cheong Yock Wing at 3am, when most people are
asleep. It jolts the 77-year-old retiree awake in his three-room flat in
North Bridge Road, and he goes to work on his electric bicycle, studded with
light-emitting diodes (LEDs).

"When an idea comes, I just wake up and fiddle with the LEDs and
decorations," said Mr Cheong, who lives with his 65-year-old wife and a
godson. He has two daughters, who are married.

"It's Chinese New Year, so I changed decorations - from a Christmas tree to
peach blossoms at the back of the bike."

LED Uncle
Like a moth drawn to bright light, he was first attracted to LED-decorated
bicycles taken along by a couple of friends during a fishing outing on the
banks of the Singapore River five years ago.

It was love at first sight for Mr Cheong, who retired at the age of 65 as an
SBS bus captain. Before long, he had dotted his e-bicycle with some
off-the-shelf LED bulbs. To differentiate his decorations from others, he
installed more lights, ornaments, and even a sound system.

After one of his "eureka moments" in the wee hours, he retrofitted his
e-bicycle with transparent rubber tubes that carried the bulbs across its
entire frame in an effort to maximise his working canvas.

SATURDAY DATE
We look forward to going out every Saturday to parade and show our bikes.
Tourists will take memories back to their countries and talk about us.

MR SIMON PETER, a hardware store assistant, who spent $7,000 over three
months fitting his electric bicycle with a karaoke system as well as LEDs.
"I've invested about $3,000 doing up my bicycle. Because I decorated it from
scratch, it was mostly trial and error. I've had to dismantle my design and
rework the wiring many times so that the LED lights work well," he said.

He is not alone in pursuing this unusual interest. Mr Simon Peter, a 60-
year-old hardware store assistant, spent $7,000 over three months sprucing
up his electric bicycle with a karaoke system as well as LEDs.

Mr Tan Meow Keng, a 64-year-old cleaner who met both Mr Peter and Mr Cheong
through fishing, splurged close to $5,000 on a similar makeover.

Barring rain, Saturday has been show time for the past four years. At 7pm,
the core group of Mr Peter, Mr Cheong and Mr Tan embark on a three-hour ride
from Marina Bay to Chinatown, with 20-minute stops at places of interest
such as the Helix Bridge and Clarke Quay.

As of Feb 1, the Land Transport Authority has implemented stricter
regulations for motorised bicycles. Only models up to 20kg with a maximum
speed of 25kmh are allowed on roads. The maximum output of motor power was
raised from 200 watts to 250 watts.

Even so, Mr Peter is unfazed.

He said: "We don't speed, we wear helmets and we observe traffic rules. We
parade only at places of interest."

Mr Tan added: "We are promoting Singapore and I even put up an SG51
decoration on my bike."

For these men, the simple joy of showing their creation to the world beats
anything else.

Mr Peter said: "We look forward to going out every Saturday to parade and
show our bikes. Tourists will take memories back to their countries and talk
about us."

The trio have been noticed at home too. They have been invited by the
People's Association - to take part in this year's Chingay Parade, to be
held on Feb 19 and 20.

It will be the second time they are participating, after taking part for the
first time last year.

Mr Cheong said: "It satisfies me when people take notice of my bike and give
me a thumbs up. It makes all the money and