date:20200318

I would agree that a lot of the action is CYA (though I might argue they 
haven’t really covered anything), but that these actions needed to occur 
anyway, though it would have saved lives and prevented the extent of the 
problem had we done it earlier.

- Mark

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> On Mar 18, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Willie via EV  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3/18/20 6:45 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote:
>>> On 3/18/2020 1:57 PM, evln via EV wrote:
>>> Now my pro-EV earth day EVent has been cancelled
>>> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVent-EV-rides-Earth-Day-San-Antonio-TX-4-18-10a-2p-tp4696614p4696728.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>> This pandemc is seriously craming my EVangel-style.
>>> :bummed:
>>> 
>> Bruce, do you realize how very trivial your EVangel-style is compared to the 
>> crisis that is overwhelming the world? It is a life or death situation; show 
>> and tell of EVs is irrelevant at this moment.
> 
> I imagine Bruce is being facetious.  If not, I'm with him.  IMHO, most of 
> what is going on is CYA or obscuring previous malfeasance.  The problem has 
> been looming for two months or longer.  And has been mostly ignored.  Now, 
> suddenly, each politician is trying to be more proactive than the next.  I 
> think it is mostly local politicians.  It looks like Trump has finally 
> recruited some impressive and articulate experts.
> 
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Re: [EVDL] $34k fine or .fr jail-time for hot-rod-tuning your e-bicycle

2020-03-18 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV

I started this thread after seeing guys hotrodding scooters in San Francisco. 
Finally the police are on it. Every conceivable scooter, skateboard, unicycle 
and bicycle have been hotrodded.  https://youtu.be/FRTM6T07jgk
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Re: [EVDL] more: How Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting EVs ...

I stand corrected.

They *were* going away. 

- Mark

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> On Mar 18, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:
> 
> Who said horses are going away ?
> https://imgur.com/a/THSzeLu
> 
> Peri
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" 
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Mark Abramowitz" 
> Sent: 18-Mar-20 4:23:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] more: How Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting EVs ...
> 
>> Horses were going away because of battery electrics, and had it not been for 
>> the bicycle industry, we would have been driving BEVs all these years.
>> 
>> - Mark
>> 
>> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Lee Hart via EV  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
 I am amazed at how wrong we were.  We always thought that the scarcity of
 Oil would make the consumer price so high that EV's were inevitable.
 
 Now the reality is that the price is so low that it is not economical to
 frack or drill for it.
 
 Eventually, the price will be low because no one will take it.  (but then
 the ICE owners will just keep on going...)
>>> 
>>> Remember, gasoline was chosen as an ICE fuel a hundred years ago, precisely 
>>> because it was useless for anything else, and thus *cheap*.
>>> 
>>> People won't stop using it until it is no longer cheaper than the 
>>> alternatives. But due to a century of mass-production, there is a lifetime 
>>> supply of old ICE cars, and old wells, refineries, factories, and 
>>> businesses that are already paid for that will just keep on churning them 
>>> out for the rest of our lives.
>>> 
>>> Horses did not go away just because ICEs came along.
>>> 
>>> Lee Hart
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>>> When your body's dead and rotten
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>>> Or do these great deeds, worth repeating
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Re: [EVDL] public EVents cancelled: How Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting EVs ...

2020-03-18 Thread Lee Hart via EV


evln via EV wrote:

This pandemc is seriously craming my EVangel-style. :bummed:


Gail Lucas:

Bruce, do you realize how very trivial your EVangel-style is compared to
to the crisis that is overwhelming the world? It is a life or death
situation; show and tell of EVs is irrelevant at this moment.


I am reminded of those lines from Leonard Cohen's "Anthem":

Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in

The Covid-19 virus is a terrible thing. But we cannot let it beat us 
down. We have to find ways to fight it, survive it, and move ahead in 
spite of it, as we did for many other terrible diseases.


Each of us should ask ourselves, "What can I do?" If you're a health 
care worker, your options are clearer. The rest of us can simply hunker 
down and *not* do X and Y and Z until it's over; but that amounts to 
doing "nothing".


I for one am not going to sit home and do nothing. If I can't improve 
one part of the future, I'll find ways to improve some other part of 
life where I *can* have an impact! We'll get through this.


So, I see Bruce's comment not as saying he'll do nothing; but rather 
that he'll keep doing what he *can* do, despite the epidemic.


Stay safe,
Lee Hart

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Re: [EVDL] more: How Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting EVs ...

2020-03-18 Thread Peri Hartman via EV

Who said horses are going away ?
https://imgur.com/a/THSzeLu

Peri

-- Original Message --
From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" 
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
Cc: "Mark Abramowitz" 
Sent: 18-Mar-20 4:23:07 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] more: How Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting EVs 
...

Horses were going away because of battery electrics, and had it not been for 
the bicycle industry, we would have been driving BEVs all these years.

- Mark

Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone

 On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Lee Hart via EV  wrote:

 Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:

 I am amazed at how wrong we were.  We always thought that the scarcity of
 Oil would make the consumer price so high that EV's were inevitable.

 Now the reality is that the price is so low that it is not economical to
 frack or drill for it.

 Eventually, the price will be low because no one will take it.  (but then
 the ICE owners will just keep on going...)

 Remember, gasoline was chosen as an ICE fuel a hundred years ago, precisely 
because it was useless for anything else, and thus *cheap*.

 People won't stop using it until it is no longer cheaper than the 
alternatives. But due to a century of mass-production, there is a lifetime 
supply of old ICE cars, and old wells, refineries, factories, and businesses 
that are already paid for that will just keep on churning them out for the rest 
of our lives.

 Horses did not go away just because ICEs came along.

 Lee Hart
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Re: [EVDL] public EVents cancelled: How Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting EVs ...

2020-03-18 Thread Willie via EV





On 3/18/20 6:45 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote:



On 3/18/2020 1:57 PM, evln via EV wrote:

Now my pro-EV earth day EVent has been cancelled
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVent-EV-rides-Earth-Day-San-Antonio-TX-4-18-10a-2p-tp4696614p4696728.html 



This pandemc is seriously craming my EVangel-style.
:bummed:



Bruce, do you realize how very trivial your EVangel-style is compared to 
the crisis that is overwhelming the world? It is a life or death 
situation; show and tell of EVs is irrelevant at this moment.


I imagine Bruce is being facetious.  If not, I'm with him.  IMHO, most 
of what is going on is CYA or obscuring previous malfeasance.  The 
problem has been looming for two months or longer.  And has been mostly 
ignored.  Now, suddenly, each politician is trying to be more proactive 
than the next.  I think it is mostly local politicians.  It looks like 
Trump has finally recruited some impressive and articulate experts.



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Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 89, Issue 17

2020-03-18 Thread Mark Laity-Snyder via EV

 Tesla Model 3 Has Fake V10, V12 Engine Sounds Courtesy Of Milltek


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Tesla Model 3 Has Fake V10, V12 Engine Sounds Courtesy Of Milltek
March 10, 2020 ... Milltek is renowned for its exhausts, but this is
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I just don't get adding noise to a wonderfully quiet EV.  Loud cars are just 
really annoying to me.  I guess wizards first rule applies here.
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Re: [EVDL] public EVents cancelled: How Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting EVs ...

2020-03-18 Thread Gail Lucas via EV





On 3/18/2020 1:57 PM, evln via EV wrote:

Now my pro-EV earth day EVent has been cancelled
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVent-EV-rides-Earth-Day-San-Antonio-TX-4-18-10a-2p-tp4696614p4696728.html

This pandemc is seriously craming my EVangel-style.
:bummed:



Bruce, do you realize how very trivial your EVangel-style is compared to 
the crisis that is overwhelming the world? It is a life or death 
situation; show and tell of EVs is irrelevant at this moment.

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Re: [EVDL] more: How Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting EVs ...

Horses were going away because of battery electrics, and had it not been for 
the bicycle industry, we would have been driving BEVs all these years.

- Mark

Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone

> On Mar 18, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Lee Hart via EV  wrote:
> 
> Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
>> I am amazed at how wrong we were.  We always thought that the scarcity of
>> Oil would make the consumer price so high that EV's were inevitable.
>> 
>> Now the reality is that the price is so low that it is not economical to
>> frack or drill for it.
>> 
>> Eventually, the price will be low because no one will take it.  (but then
>> the ICE owners will just keep on going...)
> 
> Remember, gasoline was chosen as an ICE fuel a hundred years ago, precisely 
> because it was useless for anything else, and thus *cheap*.
> 
> People won't stop using it until it is no longer cheaper than the 
> alternatives. But due to a century of mass-production, there is a lifetime 
> supply of old ICE cars, and old wells, refineries, factories, and businesses 
> that are already paid for that will just keep on churning them out for the 
> rest of our lives.
> 
> Horses did not go away just because ICEs came along.
> 
> Lee Hart
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> When your body's dead and rotten
> Then write of great deeds worth the reading
> Or do these great deeds, worth repeating
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Re: [EVDL] more: How Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting EVs ...

2020-03-18 Thread Lee Hart via EV


Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:

I am amazed at how wrong we were.  We always thought that the scarcity of
Oil would make the consumer price so high that EV's were inevitable.

Now the reality is that the price is so low that it is not economical to
frack or drill for it.

Eventually, the price will be low because no one will take it.  (but then
the ICE owners will just keep on going...)


Remember, gasoline was chosen as an ICE fuel a hundred years ago, 
precisely because it was useless for anything else, and thus *cheap*.


People won't stop using it until it is no longer cheaper than the 
alternatives. But due to a century of mass-production, there is a 
lifetime supply of old ICE cars, and old wells, refineries, factories, 
and businesses that are already paid for that will just keep on churning 
them out for the rest of our lives.


Horses did not go away just because ICEs came along.

Lee Hart
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Re: [EVDL] (+more): ... COVID-19 lockdowns affecting EVs ...

2020-03-18 Thread Lee Hart via EV


EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:

  Tesla's California factory operating despite virus lockdown order



I guess the rules are strictly for us peasants, especially if they might
lighten Musk's pocketbook.

Under him, Tesla has given EVs a huge boost. I really wish he'd get his act
together.  So much genius with so little discipline.  It's heartbreaking.


Maybe a lack of respect for rules is an inevitable consequence of genius.

"Rules? There ain't no rules around here. We're trying to
 accomplish something! "   -- Thomas A. Edison
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Re: [EVDL] more: How Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting EVs ...

On 18 Mar 2020 at 16:21, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:

> Eventually, the price will be low because no one will take it.  (but then
> the ICE owners will just keep on going...)

When the yahoos with their gigantic jacked-up coal-rolling pickup trucks 
hassle us for our EVs, now we can remind them that we're making their fuel 
cheaper by reducing the demand for it.

Do I really have to say this?  The reason for the crash in petroleum prices 
is the Covid-19 pandemic.  All around the world, people are staying home.  

In many places, they have no choice in the matter.  They face arrest and/or 
fines if they leave their homes without solid justification.  In France, for 
example, any resident going out has to carry a document stating his or her  
purpose.  The police are checking. If the person doesn't go where he says he 
will and/or do what he says he needs to, he's subject to a fine.

Meanwhile, Russia and Saudi Arabia are panicking at plummeting crude sales.  
They're trying to make up for the low prices with production volume, which 
drives prices even lower.  

The skies are blue again over China, too.  But what a price to pay.

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Re: [EVDL] public EVents cancelled: How Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting EVs ...

On 18 Mar 2020 at 15:57, evln via EV wrote:

> This pandemc is seriously craming my EVangel-style.

Yesterday, it REALLY cramped the style of 475 people in Italy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/coronavirus-lockdown-eu-
belgium-germany-adopt-measures

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[EVDL] Tesla-Y: Every Easter egg surprise



https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-model-y-easter-egg-electric-suv/
Tesla Model Y: Every Easter egg surprise packed into the electric SUV
March 16, 2020 ... the Model Y packs fun surprises. Would it be a Tesla
vehicle without fun surprises buried in one of its electric cars? ... Owners
can also rename their car to "42" and receive the "answer to the ...


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https://www.carscoops.com/2020/03/tesla-was-banned-from-kansas-city-auto-show-so-rebellious-owners-staged-their-own-display-outside/
Tesla Was Banned From Kansas City Auto Show, So Rebellious Owners Staged
Their Own Display Outside
March 15, 2020 ... the state’s car dealer association opposes direct sales
model ...
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[EVDL] Harley-Davidson livewire flop> (other e-motorcycle options)



https://www.businessinsider.com/electric-motorcycles-market-harley-livewire-zero-photos-specs-2020-3
Harley-Davidson's EV motorcycle flopped, but there are
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Several electric-bike startups — based in the US and abroad — are looking to
get in on the EV trend. Take a look at some of the electric motorcycles
competing ...
https://i.insider.com/5e6fa08cc485404018341572


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Jaguar Land Rover Backs New Electric Car Chauffeur
Service
March 15, 2020  The Havn service initially would have a fleet of over 10
Jaguar I-Pace electric cars. In the event that the trials conclude
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[EVDL] 10 don'ts using a Tesla-3




https://cleantechnica.com/2020/03/14/10-things-you-should-not-do-in-your-tesla-model-3/
10 Things To NOT Do In Your Tesla Model 3
March 14th, 2020 ... toxic wipes ... shut the door holding the glass ...
open the door manually from inside ... charge your battery to 100% every day
...
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0196/5170/files/Regen-Braking-Hold_1024x1024.jpg?v=1583250983


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https://autos.yahoo.com/mystery-tesla-model-3-performance-000450808.html
Mystery Tesla Model 3 Performance Seen Departing Giga Shanghai
March 6, 2020  There are more questions than answers, but it seems that the
Gigafactory 3 will produce all types of Model 3 ... Standard Range Plus RWD,
Long Range RWD, Long Range AWD, Performance (Long Range AWD) ...
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[EVDL] Drunk-MN-advocates fight-fossil> (electrification= best-path)



https://www.wral.com/ethanol-and-electric-vehicle-advocates-merging-on-fuel-plan/19011068/
Ethanol and electric vehicle advocates merging on fuel plan
2020-03-14  After years of fighting their own policy battles, 
MN ethanol and electric vehicle advocates are tentatively 
banding together against fossil fuels ... opportunity for farmers to be
compensated for conservation practices that store more carbon and reduce
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Tesla owner gets defense from ACLU after DMV moves to censor vanity plate
March 15, 2020  A Tesla Model 3 owner from Rhode Island has received legal
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Re: [EVDL] more: How Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting EVs ...

2020-03-18 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV

I am amazed at how wrong we were.  We always thought that the scarcity of
Oil would make the consumer price so high that EV's were inevitable.

Now the reality is that the price is so low that it is not economical to
frack or drill for it.

Eventually, the price will be low because no one will take it.  (but then
the ICE owners will just keep on going...)

Oh well.
Bob

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] more: How Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting EVs ...

Ridiculous.

There is a GLUT of low-priced oil, and the strategic reserves are being
replenished.

Availability of fuel is national security issue.

- Mark

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> On Mar 15, 2020, at 1:11 PM, evln via EV  wrote:
>
>  (hopefully hypothetical)
> https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/electric-vs-ice-during-a-pande
> mic.188351/
> Electric vs ICE During a Pandemic
> Should the country go into lockdown, movement of goods and services
> restricted, surely there would be a shortage of petrol and diesel way
> before they turned off the national grid. Therefore, could owners of
> electric vehicles be called upon by the govt. to assist with emergency
> transportation? ...
> ...
> [ref
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> ormula-E-season-suspended-due-to-coronavirus-fears-tp4696655p4696659.h
> tml
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>
>
> https://www.carscoops.com/2020/03/james-bonds-no-time-to-die-delayed-u
> ntil-november-over-coronavirus/ James Bond’s No Time To Die Delayed
> Until November Over Coronavirus
> 2020/03/04 Cadillac’s Celestiq Will Be A Hand-Built Flagship Sedan The
> Celestiq will be an electric flagship which will serve as ...
>
>
> https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-spacex-employee
> s-car-crash-coronavirus Elon Musk Told Workers They're More Likely To
> Die In A Car Crash Than From Coronavirus March 13, 2020  “As a basis
> for comparison, the risk of death from C19 is
> *vastly* less than the risk of death from driving your car home,” ...
> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528
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[EVDL] public EVents cancelled: How Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting EVs ...

Now my pro-EV earth day EVent has been cancelled
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVent-EV-rides-Earth-Day-San-Antonio-TX-4-18-10a-2p-tp4696614p4696728.html

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Re: [EVDL] $34k fine or .fr jail-time for hot-rod-tuning your e-bicycle

On 18 Mar 2020 at 15:45, evln via EV wrote:

> >Haven't you posted this story before?  <
> 
> NO, it wasn't.

Ah, I found it.  Indeed you didn't post it.  It was Lawrence Rhodes, on the 
10th.  But he didn't cite a source.  

http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html#nabble-tt4696623

I guess I just remembered the subject line and connected it with this story. 
Sorry!

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[EVDL] NO EVent 4/18: ... Earth Day San Antonio, TX

I was just advisd by my Alamo clean air contact, that along with many 
other sa park public activities, my sa earth day has been essentially 
cancelled/postponed 'til the end of the year.
 ?Why?  more corona panic fears

Needless to say, I am majorly bummed (ticked, pissed, and just plain 
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Re: [EVDL] $34k fine or .fr jail-time for hot-rod-tuning your e-bicycle

>Haven't you posted this story before?  <

NO, it wasn't.

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Re: [EVDL] more: How Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting EVs ...

Ridiculous.

There is a GLUT of low-priced oil, and the strategic reserves are being 
replenished.

Availability of fuel is national security issue.

- Mark

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> On Mar 15, 2020, at 1:11 PM, evln via EV  wrote:
> 
>  (hopefully hypothetical)
> https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/electric-vs-ice-during-a-pandemic.188351/
> Electric vs ICE During a Pandemic
> Should the country go into lockdown, movement of goods and services
> restricted, surely there would be a shortage of petrol and diesel way before
> they turned off the national grid. Therefore, could owners of electric
> vehicles be called upon by the govt. to assist with emergency
> transportation? ...
> ...
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> 2020/03/04 Cadillac’s Celestiq Will Be A Hand-Built Flagship Sedan The
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> Elon Musk Told Workers They're More Likely To Die In A Car Crash Than From
> Coronavirus
> March 13, 2020  “As a basis for comparison, the risk of death from C19 is
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Re: [EVDL] (+more): ... COVID-19 lockdowns affecting EVs ...

On 18 Mar 2020 at 13:28, evln via EV wrote:

>  Tesla's California factory operating despite virus lockdown order 

I guess the rules are strictly for us peasants, especially if they might 
lighten Musk's pocketbook.  

Under him, Tesla has given EVs a huge boost. I really wish he'd get his act 
together.  So much genius with so little discipline.  It's heartbreaking.

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Re: [EVDL] $34k fine or .fr jail-time for hot-rod-tuning your e-bicycle

Haven't you posted this story before?  I distinctly remember reading about 
it already.  

Worth again bringing to the attention of any French readers we may have, I 
suppose.

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Re: [EVDL] DC charging damages EV packs (?fact or anti-EV-hype?)

On 18 Mar 2020 at 9:18, Peter C. Thompson via EV wrote:

> Tesla does appear to understand their technology, and takes good care to keep
> it working.  Can't say the same for other manufacturers...although I'd be
> very happy to be corrected.

No doubt they do.  Not many other EV manufacturers have comparable 
experience and reputation.  

Nissan has experience, but a sullied reputation from their early battery 
problems.

However, it appears to me that their sister label Renault has been more 
cautious, has made better choices, and is overall more dedicated to EVs in 
principle.  

This seems to be paying off for them as their Zoe is profitable, and Renault 
is staying well toward the top of EU EV sales.  

In January, the Zoe was Renault's second largest selling vehicle worldwide, 
which by itself is an accomplishment. 

That month, Renault sold over 10,000 EVs worldwide (12% of their sales) 
including 9,873 Zoes.  That's pretty respectable for an EV that isn't even 
offered in North America.  At least in France and the UK, Renault dealers 
are discounting, making the prices quite competitive.

Tesla just squeaked past the Zoe worldwide, taking first place with 10,013 
Model 3s.  

Nissan Leaf was in third place at 4,967 units, pretty good considering that 
the press keeps knocking it.  

The Peugeot 208 EV landed 7th at 3,897 cars, a surprisingly strong month for 
a brand new EV.  Its 50kWh battery is slightly smaller than the Zoe's and 
its range a bit less, but the two are quite comparable in fitment and list 
price, and to some extent it comes down to which brand you feel more 
attached to.

Despite that good worldwide showing, Tesla is not doing well in Europe.  If 
you look at that market only, the Tesla 3 falls to 15th place, with just 
1,517 cars.  None of Tesla's other models is even in the running in Europe. 

IMO Tesla has badly misjudged the EU market by not shipping lower cost, 
lower range Model 3s.  Last time I looked, the cheapest 3 was the LR model 
going for 57,900 euros.  

The LR is a nice car, with insane range.  But when you can get a battery-
lease Zoe for about 1/3 the Tesla's price, with a real world 350km of range, 
it's surprising that Tesla sold as many as they did. 

Tesla needs to get more in tune with what EU buyers want and need, because 
the future of EVs lies there, not here in the US.

On the other hand, with most major EU nations in viral lockdown, right now 
nobody there is buying vehicles, either EV or ICEV.  I expect that the 
economic wasteland resulting from this chaos will depress all vehicle sales 
for a long, long time.

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[EVDL] (+more): ... COVID-19 lockdowns affecting EVs ...

% SF Bay area has a severe biz lock down, yet a few (deemed essential biz)
are allowed/not-stopped from being biz-as-usual(?) %

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-california-factory-operating-normally-145554380.html
Tesla's California factory operating despite virus lockdown order:
witnesses
March 18, 2020 Tesla Inc's vehicle factory in Fremont California appeared
to be operating normally on Wednesday despite an order by local officials to
comply with a three-week lockdown in the San Francisco Bay Area to rein in
the spread of coronavirus ...
...
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/tesla-s-california-factory-operating-despite-coronavirus-lockdown-order--witnesses-12553280

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/coronavirus/millions-in-the-bay-area-wake-up-to-empty-streets/2256064/
Millions in the Bay Area Wake Up to Empty Streets Amid Stay-at-Home Order
March 17, 2020 Millions in the San Francisco Bay Area woke up Tuesday to
nearly empty highways, shuttered stores and vacant streets after officials
issued an order for residents to stay at home and only leave for “essential”
reasons ...
...
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/-03-16/how-the-san-francisco-bay-areas-coronavirus-shelter-in-place-order-works
March 17, 2020 ... San Francisco Bay Area is the hardest-hit region in
California ... stay at home as much as possible ... exceptions ... get food
at supermarkets, pick up prescriptions at the pharmacy, buy gas, go to the
bank and check up on relatives ... walk your dog ... keep six feet between
you & another person ...

(encase idiocracy-children don't know, WHO teaches: )
https://youtu.be/3PmVJQUCm4E
How to handwash
Clean hands with soap and water or alcohol-based hand rub
...
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Symptoms:
Runny nose
Sore throat
Cough
Fever
Difficulty breathing (severe cases)
...
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[EVDL] Road-Rage Distracted GM Cruze ice Slams Into Bolt EV (v)

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Chevrolet Cruze Slams Into Bolt EV: Video
2020/03/13 Instant Karma For Road Raging Chevrolet Cruze Driver: Video ...
Cruze pulling up alongside a car as the driver begins to shout obscenities
at the driver ... Distracted by his tirade, the Cruze driver slams into the
back of an innocent Chevrolet Bolt EV, which was sitting stationary at a
traffic light behind a row of other cars ...
https://youtu.be/GY6qxRUgkow

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2020 Chevrolet Bolt: Arguably The Most Affordable Long-Range EV Option
February 28, 2020 ... longer range with a new mixture in the lithium battery
... an electric motor that produces 200HP. It's exterior is a mixture of
crossover and hatchback which allows the Bolt EV to be very versatile. On
the inside you will find plenty of room along with some new tech ...
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