Re: [EVDL] Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.

[Luke Scharf via EV]

A device like this is what was suggested:
https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Transmitter-Receiver-LAICOMEIN-Headphones/dp/B0BDF8S8H4/

Combine it with something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/ZHIWHIS-Portable-Transistor-Conference-Batteries/dp/B08JCNMJKF

Plug it all together, pair it with the car (the car will act as a Bluetooth
speaker) and you've got a portable system that meets your stated
requirements.

A high quality antenna and FM receiver might make it better.

There may be an integrated unit that does all of this, but it's hard to
search for because there are so many bluetooth receivers that then transmit
a low-power FM signal.  I have seen some HAM radio transceivers which can
play on a Bluetooth speaker. and I own one that has an FM receiver --maybe
there's one which has both?

-Luke


On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 10:41 PM Lee Hart via EV  wrote:

> > In the era of streaming any am or fm radio station, radio reception
> ability is almost mute.
> > A simple portable radio hooked to a Bluetooth transmitter is all you
> need, if you can't stream.
>
> Maybe for some people. But I happen to like listening to an actual radio,
> without having to subscribe to some streaming service.
>
> Most cheap portable radios also have worse sensitivity, selectivity, and
> fidelity than the radios normally put in cars.
>
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Re: [EVDL] Electric Plane by Bearhawk kits

[Luke Scharf via EV]

The closest is Gabe Devault's Xenos electric motorglider:
Turned On—We Fly an Electric Xenos! - KITPLANES


It's based on the Zero motorcycle drivetrain.

-Luke


On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 8:51 AM Mark Hanson via EV 
wrote:

> Hi Folks
> I live near Bob Barrows bearhawkaircraft.com plane “experimental” kits to
> get around FAA requirements.  He and his associate are building a single
> seater electric version of his bearhawk kit. They’re using an Australian
> APD control with a 3K rpm direct drive BLDC (pulsed 3 phase) magnet motor (
> so no brushes to fail).  They bought the package from a consultant in
> California and Mike was programming the controller with his laptop when I
> visited.  It runs fine at 200A 120Vdc on a Lithium China pack but at 300A
> starts to overheat.  So they’re adding a second controller for flight
> redundancy and dual 3 phase windings in the motor in the next couple
> months.
> Does anyone work on electric planes or is there an off the shelf electric
> drive (motor control) with a good reliable track record ?   Just don’t want
> to be reinventing the wheel here….  If you google Bob Barrows electric
> plane YouTube videos pop up about the construction and issues they’ve run
> into.  He estimates about 1/2 hour of flight time.
> Stay Charged
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Re: [EVDL] Replacing Briggs & Stratton Engine

[Luke Scharf via EV]

I'm also working on converting a gas powered chipper to electric power
(likely powered via a NEMA 14-50 outlet).

This is mostly a paper design / BOM at this point, but I'm really tired of
the noisy/smelly/messy gasoline engine in this thing.

This device uses a Viper 212CC gasoline motor.  According to the
spec-sheet, this motor has a 1" output shaft with a 1/4" key, which is 3.5"
long.  The motor has both face mounts and base mounts, which are both used
in this particular piece of equipment.

The biggest problem I've been finding is getting a shaft which matches the
motor.  The closest motor I can find on Grainger's motor selector is one
with a 7/8" keyed shaft that's 4.5" long.  I suppose that I could make this
work, if I cut down the shaft and get an adapter sleeve kit.

But the project would be lower-risk if I could find an electric motor with
exactly the right kind of output shaft.

Does anyone have a great way to to search for electric motors by the output
shaft?

-Luke

P.S. This isn't my first go-around looking for the perfect part which
matches in all physical and electrical dimensions for lawn equipment.  I
upgraded my Black & Decker electric lawn mower from SLAs to a lithium-ion
e-bike battery a couple of years ago, and I'm very happy with how that
project turned out.  That was a less ambitious project, but the critical
part I selected had just as many physical and electrical dimensions to
match.  Also, choosing exactly the right part made every other aspect of
the project easier.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 10:22 PM Lee Hart via EV  wrote:

> Tom Hudson via EV wrote:
> > I just found the information sheet from Simplicity on this machine and
> > the spec'd RPM for that motor is is 3700 +/- 50.
> >
> > Sure would be a fun winter project. Sizing the motor is the big question
> > -- I see various conversions from gas HP to electric HP online, and I
> > want to be sure to provide enough power to match the gas engine's output.
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I've converted a few pieces of yard equipment from IC to EV. Each case
> is unique, but here are a few guidelines.
>
> ICE's are generally rated by peak HP, while electric motors are usually
> rated by continuous HP, which is lower. Depending on the type of
> electric motor, it can deliver anywhere from 2x to 10x its rated HP.
> When the load is intermittent, this means you can use a much smaller
> electric motor.
>
> I helped a friend convert his Wheel Horse garden tractor with an 8 HP
> Kohler ICE to EV. We used a 1.5 HP 24vdc series motor. It actually had
> *more* pulling power than the ICE, and no problem providing the average
> amount of power needed for lawn mowing. We used two 12v group 27 deep
> cycle lead-acid batteries. The controller was very simple; three
> contactors, arranged to provide 12v with a series resistor (starting),
> 12v direct (slow), and 24v (fast).
>
> Another friend converted a log splitter from ICE to electric. We used a
> 120vac induction PSC (Permanent Split Capacitor) motor from an air
> compressor, and he simply plugged it in with an extension cord. The
> motor ran a hydraulic pump, which had a small accumulator to handle the
> high peak power needed to start splitting a big log. We also had a 15A
> circuit breaker on the splitter as its on/off switch, as well as so an
> overload would trip the local breaker rather than requiring a trip into
> the basement to reset the main 20A breaker.
>
> I converted a standard lawn mower with a 3 HP ICE into an electric
> mower. I used a surplus 110vdc PM treadmill motor. I initially powered
> it with an extension cord and bridge rectifier. Later, I replaced the
> cord with a set of 60 surplus Gates 2v 2.5ah gel cells.  Each cell was
> about the size of a D-cell battery. The controller was nothing but an
> on-off switch. I initially tried using a standard switch, but it failed
> almost immediately from trying to switch DC. So I used the switch to
> power a contactor, which in turn switches the motor.
>
> I converted a classic ICE minibike to EV. It used a 2.5 HP 36v series DC
> golf cart motor, and a small (Petrosonics brand) PWM motor controller.
> The golf cart motor was actually too powerful; it was too easy to spin
> the tire and lose control. A much smaller motor would have been better.
>
> Lee
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Re: [EVDL] video: World's largest lithium company mass producing solid state batteries

[Luke Scharf via EV]

Here's the closest thing to a datasheet that I can find on the Genfeng
Lithium solid state batteries:

   - Semi-solid lithium ion cell (ganfenglithium.com)
   
   - Semi-solid lithium ion cell (ganfenglithium.com)
   
   - Solid state
   lithium battery module (ganfenglithium.com)
   

There are some real numbers there, even if it doesn't provide what you'd
normally find on in a datasheet.

There are enough numbers that you can solve for the weight of the battery
module and compare the headline stats to common battery chemistries.

The two numbers which jumped out at me are the sustained discharge rate
(0.3C) and the Wh/kg (210Wh/kg for the battery module).

If you try to order one
, you get sent
to a contact form.  That's probably about right for where they are in the
product lifecycle.  These are the most detailed publicly-available specs
that I've found for a solid-state battery that I've encountered so far.

-Luke


On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 1:12 PM EV List Lackey via EV 
wrote:

> On 26 Jan 2022 at 7:58, Paul Wujek via EV wrote:
>
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKqpZG-s_ac
>
> Sorry, I'm not that keen on sitting through a video clip when I can read
> something in 1/10 the time, so I found this:
>
> https://news.metal.com/newscontent/101690892/Here-comes-the-solid-state-
> battery-The-lithium-giant-says-it-can-be-mass-produced-and-loaded-at-any-
> time/
> 
>
> or https://v.gd/S0Z3FF
>
> The translation from the Chinese isn't great.  I can grok most of it but
> have no idea what on earth this is supposed to mean:
>
> "can be ... loaded at any time"
>
> "it should not be mass production in the short term. BYD does not need to
> fight for eyeballs like other car companies, but pursues technologies that
> can be popularized on a large scale at low cost and products that bring
> tangible benefits to consumers."
>
> I hope someone more familiar with this stuff can comment.  The news piece
> makes rahter extravagant claims for specific energy.  Exactly what ARE
> "solid state" batteries, and what *demonstrable* advantages do they offer?
>
> I tend to be pretty skeptical about alleged battery developments.  In 55
> years of following EVs I've read of a LOT of "revolutionary" batteries
> that
> were going to give us EVs that could drive to the moon on one charge.
> Most
> of them never left the lab.  Typically they stalled because they couldn't
> be
> scaled up from small, low capacity models, because they couldn't be
> produced
> economically, or because the developers were nothing more than shysters
> looking for gullible investors.  Sometimes all of the above.
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Re: [EVDL] Solid State Batteries differences

[Luke Scharf via EV]

I haven't been able to find anyplace to order Solid State batteries in
hobbyist/engineering quantities, or found datasheets yet.  I've been
avoiding getting excited about solid state batteries until some of that
becomes available.

Can anyone point me to a P/N or a datasheet for a solid state battery cell
yet?

Thanks,
-Luke


On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 11:16 AM Peri Hartman via EV 
wrote:

> Do you have any cost information ? I just did a bunch of searches but
> nothing turned up for me.
>
> If the current price were half that of electrolyte cells, then double
> the energy density would be a wash on overall cost. Of course, there are
> other factors.
>
> But, as with all new technology, price comes down rapidly as production
> scales up. I didn't know that production had started. That's exciting !
>
> Peri
>
> << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mark Hanson via EV" 
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: "Mark Hanson" 
> Sent: 13-Dec-21 07:12:18
> Subject: [EVDL] Solid State Batteries differences
>
> >Hi Folks
> >I was reading on Wikipedia , Samsung etc about solid state batteries
> where the typical lithium liquid or jell electrolyte is a solid / ceramic
> in solid state batteries.  Wikipedia listed the LiFePO4 lithium based
> batteries we used in our conversions as solid state batteries.  I assume
> it’s the same chemistry, just the electrolyte has changed to a solid.  Wiki
> shows they’re twice the energy density at 400 watt hours per Kg vs the
> present 200 of existing batteries but *much* more expensive.  Are they
> going to be used in EVs or made of Unobtanium like other “new improved”
> batteries that stay in the lab due to high cost?
> >Stay Charged,
> >Mark in Roanoke VA
> >
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Re: [EVDL] maybe convert odyssey ?

[Luke Scharf via EV]

Yes, I have a reservation for a Cybertruck.

I'm OK with the current design.  I can't defend its looks, but it's likely
to be so caprable that I don't care how it looks.  It's ugly like a Jeep.

-Luke


On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 2:49 PM Luke Scharf 
wrote:

> I'm holding out for the Tesla Cybertruck because it is not yet in
> production.
>
> My current requirement is for a 6000lb towing capacity and 5 seats.  My
> work-from-home arrangement means that commuting is not a significant part
> of the vehicle's mileage.
>
> But, the reality is that I'm driving an 11-year-old truck.  This truck is
> about as close as possible to the upcoming EV pickup trucks,
> technologically speaking.  But it does come with some disadvantages: some
> newer non-hybrid trucks do have better window-sticker numbers than my
> 2-mode hybrid -- those trucks cost more than I'm willing to spend on a
> short-term purchase.  Also, this machine is a rare beast, and so it's hard
> to find mechanics who have some experience with it (including my local GMC
> dealer).  Despite having been well taken care of by its previous owner,
> it's starting to see the same issues you see on all 11-year-old GMT900s.
> I'm waiting for the upcoming EV pickup trucks to hit the market so that I
> can swap it for my "forever" truck.  It really does feel like I'm holding
> out.
>
> That said, these big hybrids have really grown on me.  With the hybrid
> system under the hood, they're really nice vehicles to drive day-to-day.
> Also, operations like hitching up the trailer and backing up with a trailer
> are a lot easier than anything I've ever towed with before, due to the
> precise low-end control provided by the hybrid drivetrain.  I really can
> move the truck 1/4" backward when I need to, and I'm pleasantly surprised
> by how much time the engine spends in auto-stop mode when towing a
> trailer.  If more people had seat-time in these big hybrids, they'd be a
> lot more popular.
>
> -Luke
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 2:21 PM Peri Hartman via EV 
> wrote:
>
>> In what way are you "holding out" for the cybertruck ? Have you ordered
>> one or are you waiting for the next design iteration ?
>> Peri
>>
>> << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Luke Scharf" 
>> To: "Peri Hartman" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
>> List" 
>> Sent: 26-Apr-21 12:13:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] maybe convert odyssey ?
>>
>> >Do need 200 miles every day?  Or once a week?  Or once a month?
>> >
>> >The Pacifica PHEV has a total range of about 520 miles.  The first 32
>> >miles are electric, and the remaining miles are on gasoline.
>> >
>> >If you need 20 miles most days, and only need the 200 miles a couple of
>> >times a month, the PHEV would be a pretty smooth 90% solution.
>> >
>> >For my needs, I'm holding out for the Tesla truck, and driving one of
>> >the GM 2-Mode hybrids in the meantime.  I'll be happy to explain why
>> >that's a match for my situation.  Hopefully the Tesla truck will be a
>> >long-term do-everything vehicle.
>> >
>> >-Luke
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 1:57 PM Peri Hartman via EV 
>> >wrote:
>> >>I need min 200 mile range with heat and defrost running. That's the RT
>> >>for most of my mountain activites, where there are few, if any
>> >>charging
>> >>opportunities (and frankly, with a 12-14 hour outing, I don't want to
>> >>add 30 minutes for charging). Also I'd like better ground clearance
>> >>than
>> >>the minivan, which is 6.5". I'd like some hauling capacity, but I
>> >>could
>> >>keep the minivan for occasional hauling.
>> >>
>> >>I might have another look at the tesla truck. It would be nice if they
>> >>allowed you to take out the back seat and open the back of the cab,
>> >>for
>> >>long loads. It's ugly (in my opinion) but I don't really care. It's
>> >>also
>> >>too long for my driveway, I think. Need to double check.
>> >>
>> >>Peri
>> >>
>> >><< Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
>> >>
>> >>-- Original Message --
>> >>From: "Alan Brinkman via EV" 
>> >>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
>> >>Cc: "Alan Brinkman" 
>> >>Sent: 26-Apr-21 11:13:44 AM
>> >>Subject: Re: [EVDL] maybe convert odyssey ?
>> >>
>> >> >Peri,
>> >> >At first I thought you meant the Odyssey 250cc off road atv by Honda.
>> >>You
>> >> >have a minivan. What about getting a newer Nissan Leaf and installing
>> >>a tow
>> >> >hitch. Then purchase a light enclosed or open utility trailer? Not
>> >>optimal
>> >> >but?
>> >> >Alan
>> >> >
>> >> >On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 9:27 AM Peri Hartman via EV 
>>
>> >>wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>  I need to take a serious look at converting my 2000 honda odyssey.
>> >>Every
>> >> >>  year I throw a little more money into repairs hoping that a
>> >>suitable EV
>> >> >>  replacement will come on the market. So far, nothing that meets my
>> >> >>  needs.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>  I think I am going to have to replace most of the exhaust system,
>> 

Re: [EVDL] maybe convert odyssey ?

[Luke Scharf via EV]

I'm holding out for the Tesla Cybertruck because it is not yet in
production.

My current requirement is for a 6000lb towing capacity and 5 seats.  My
work-from-home arrangement means that commuting is not a significant part
of the vehicle's mileage.

But, the reality is that I'm driving an 11-year-old truck.  This truck is
about as close as possible to the upcoming EV pickup trucks,
technologically speaking.  But it does come with some disadvantages: some
newer non-hybrid trucks do have better window-sticker numbers than my
2-mode hybrid -- those trucks cost more than I'm willing to spend on a
short-term purchase.  Also, this machine is a rare beast, and so it's hard
to find mechanics who have some experience with it (including my local GMC
dealer).  Despite having been well taken care of by its previous owner,
it's starting to see the same issues you see on all 11-year-old GMT900s.
I'm waiting for the upcoming EV pickup trucks to hit the market so that I
can swap it for my "forever" truck.  It really does feel like I'm holding
out.

That said, these big hybrids have really grown on me.  With the hybrid
system under the hood, they're really nice vehicles to drive day-to-day.
Also, operations like hitching up the trailer and backing up with a trailer
are a lot easier than anything I've ever towed with before, due to the
precise low-end control provided by the hybrid drivetrain.  I really can
move the truck 1/4" backward when I need to, and I'm pleasantly surprised
by how much time the engine spends in auto-stop mode when towing a
trailer.  If more people had seat-time in these big hybrids, they'd be a
lot more popular.

-Luke


On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 2:21 PM Peri Hartman via EV 
wrote:

> In what way are you "holding out" for the cybertruck ? Have you ordered
> one or are you waiting for the next design iteration ?
> Peri
>
> << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Luke Scharf" 
> To: "Peri Hartman" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
> List" 
> Sent: 26-Apr-21 12:13:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] maybe convert odyssey ?
>
> >Do need 200 miles every day?  Or once a week?  Or once a month?
> >
> >The Pacifica PHEV has a total range of about 520 miles.  The first 32
> >miles are electric, and the remaining miles are on gasoline.
> >
> >If you need 20 miles most days, and only need the 200 miles a couple of
> >times a month, the PHEV would be a pretty smooth 90% solution.
> >
> >For my needs, I'm holding out for the Tesla truck, and driving one of
> >the GM 2-Mode hybrids in the meantime.  I'll be happy to explain why
> >that's a match for my situation.  Hopefully the Tesla truck will be a
> >long-term do-everything vehicle.
> >
> >-Luke
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 1:57 PM Peri Hartman via EV 
> >wrote:
> >>I need min 200 mile range with heat and defrost running. That's the RT
> >>for most of my mountain activites, where there are few, if any
> >>charging
> >>opportunities (and frankly, with a 12-14 hour outing, I don't want to
> >>add 30 minutes for charging). Also I'd like better ground clearance
> >>than
> >>the minivan, which is 6.5". I'd like some hauling capacity, but I
> >>could
> >>keep the minivan for occasional hauling.
> >>
> >>I might have another look at the tesla truck. It would be nice if they
> >>allowed you to take out the back seat and open the back of the cab,
> >>for
> >>long loads. It's ugly (in my opinion) but I don't really care. It's
> >>also
> >>too long for my driveway, I think. Need to double check.
> >>
> >>Peri
> >>
> >><< Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
> >>
> >>-- Original Message --
> >>From: "Alan Brinkman via EV" 
> >>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> >>Cc: "Alan Brinkman" 
> >>Sent: 26-Apr-21 11:13:44 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [EVDL] maybe convert odyssey ?
> >>
> >> >Peri,
> >> >At first I thought you meant the Odyssey 250cc off road atv by Honda.
> >>You
> >> >have a minivan. What about getting a newer Nissan Leaf and installing
> >>a tow
> >> >hitch. Then purchase a light enclosed or open utility trailer? Not
> >>optimal
> >> >but?
> >> >Alan
> >> >
> >> >On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 9:27 AM Peri Hartman via EV 
> >>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>  I need to take a serious look at converting my 2000 honda odyssey.
> >>Every
> >> >>  year I throw a little more money into repairs hoping that a
> >>suitable EV
> >> >>  replacement will come on the market. So far, nothing that meets my
> >> >>  needs.
> >> >>
> >> >>  I think I am going to have to replace most of the exhaust system,
> >>which
> >> >>  could cost a couple $k. Honestly, that's still the cheapest path,
> >>but
> >> >>  something like that occurs every year. That plus miscellaneous
> >>other
> >> >>  maintenance expenses plus gas, I wonder if I come out ahead, over
> >>some
> >> >>  years, converting it. I hate throwing more money into something
> >>that
> >> >>  still uses gas.
> >> >>
> >> >>  Here are a few questions on my 

Re: [EVDL] maybe convert odyssey ?

[Luke Scharf via EV]

Do need 200 miles every day?  Or once a week?  Or once a month?

The Pacifica PHEV has a total range of about 520 miles.  The first 32 miles
are electric, and the remaining miles are on gasoline.

If you need 20 miles most days, and only need the 200 miles a couple of
times a month, the PHEV would be a pretty smooth 90% solution.

For my needs, I'm holding out for the Tesla truck, and driving one of the
GM 2-Mode hybrids in the meantime.  I'll be happy to explain why that's a
match for my situation.  Hopefully the Tesla truck will be a long-term
do-everything vehicle.

-Luke


On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 1:57 PM Peri Hartman via EV 
wrote:

> I need min 200 mile range with heat and defrost running. That's the RT
> for most of my mountain activites, where there are few, if any charging
> opportunities (and frankly, with a 12-14 hour outing, I don't want to
> add 30 minutes for charging). Also I'd like better ground clearance than
> the minivan, which is 6.5". I'd like some hauling capacity, but I could
> keep the minivan for occasional hauling.
>
> I might have another look at the tesla truck. It would be nice if they
> allowed you to take out the back seat and open the back of the cab, for
> long loads. It's ugly (in my opinion) but I don't really care. It's also
> too long for my driveway, I think. Need to double check.
>
> Peri
>
> << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Alan Brinkman via EV" 
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Alan Brinkman" 
> Sent: 26-Apr-21 11:13:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] maybe convert odyssey ?
>
> >Peri,
> >At first I thought you meant the Odyssey 250cc off road atv by Honda. You
> >have a minivan. What about getting a newer Nissan Leaf and installing a
> tow
> >hitch. Then purchase a light enclosed or open utility trailer? Not optimal
> >but?
> >Alan
> >
> >On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 9:27 AM Peri Hartman via EV 
> wrote:
> >
> >>  I need to take a serious look at converting my 2000 honda odyssey.
> Every
> >>  year I throw a little more money into repairs hoping that a suitable EV
> >>  replacement will come on the market. So far, nothing that meets my
> >>  needs.
> >>
> >>  I think I am going to have to replace most of the exhaust system, which
> >>  could cost a couple $k. Honestly, that's still the cheapest path, but
> >>  something like that occurs every year. That plus miscellaneous other
> >>  maintenance expenses plus gas, I wonder if I come out ahead, over some
> >>  years, converting it. I hate throwing more money into something that
> >>  still uses gas.
> >>
> >>  Here are a few questions on my mind, and surely they will expose more
> :)
> >>
> >>  - what are the dims of the tesla model 3 82kWh battery ?
> >>  - what is its cost, salvaged (but with near new capacity) ?
> >>  - what is the cost of other components I need to salvage - motor,
> >>  inverter, BMS, charger ... ?
> >>  - what computer support is needed for the motor, inverter, BMS, charger
> >>  ?
> >>  - is anyone willing to do the work ? for what cost ?
> >>
> >>  I suspect this car is old enough that its existing engine related
> >>  computers can be removed. There are some smarts in the window and
> >>  ventilation control, but they might operate without any central
> >>  computer.
> >>
> >>  Peri
> >>
> >>
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Re: [EVDL] maybe convert odyssey ?

[Luke Scharf via EV]

I'd like to suggest that a Chrysler Pacifica Plugin Hybrid might be similar
enough to a Honda Odyssey to be worth considering.

I've test driven one, and found it to be a pretty good minivan.  The
all-electric range is advertised at around 30 miles, and the only time the
ICE came on during my test-drive was when I slammed the gas pedal to the
floor while pulling onto the highway.

Of course, a PHEV is only a substitute for an EV if your typical day
requires less than all-electric range (~30 miles in this case).

-Luke


On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 11:27 AM Peri Hartman via EV 
wrote:

> I need to take a serious look at converting my 2000 honda odyssey. Every
> year I throw a little more money into repairs hoping that a suitable EV
> replacement will come on the market. So far, nothing that meets my
> needs.
>
> I think I am going to have to replace most of the exhaust system, which
> could cost a couple $k. Honestly, that's still the cheapest path, but
> something like that occurs every year. That plus miscellaneous other
> maintenance expenses plus gas, I wonder if I come out ahead, over some
> years, converting it. I hate throwing more money into something that
> still uses gas.
>
> Here are a few questions on my mind, and surely they will expose more :)
>
> - what are the dims of the tesla model 3 82kWh battery ?
> - what is its cost, salvaged (but with near new capacity) ?
> - what is the cost of other components I need to salvage - motor,
> inverter, BMS, charger ... ?
> - what computer support is needed for the motor, inverter, BMS, charger
> ?
> - is anyone willing to do the work ? for what cost ?
>
> I suspect this car is old enough that its existing engine related
> computers can be removed. There are some smarts in the window and
> ventilation control, but they might operate without any central
> computer.
>
> Peri
>
>
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Re: [EVDL] PHEVs Prius Prime vs Rav4 Prime vs Ford Escape vs Tesla Y, towing

[Luke Scharf via EV]

>
> I don’t understand why a car is given a towing rating in Europe but not
> here.


I've spent some time looking into this over the years.  European cars in
Europe typically have much higher tow ratings than those same European cars
in the US.

As near as I can tell, the reasons are as follows:

   1. European traffic laws usually have an explicit and lower towing speed
   limit.  The highest I've ever heard of this speed limit being is about
   100km/h (about 62mph), though it's often lower (80km/h or below).
   2. European traffic laws require trailer brakes on smaller trailers than
   the American convention (trailer brakes on trailers above > 2000lbs).
   3. Last and least, the USA is known for its litigious culture.

I would have been able to tow much heavier loads with the small town
vehicles I've used (Ranger, Escape, Sienna), *if* I were expected to remain
under 60mph at all times.  But, on American roads, you're expected to keep
up with unladen traffic when towing, which effectively means you need the
ability to exceed the posted speed limit safely with a trailer -- and
that's very different from how the Europeans do it.

My current tow vehicle is one of the GM 2-Mode hybrids.  It's big and
thirsty compared to most of the vehicles discussed on this list, but it's
relatively affordable (10-year-old used vehicle), it has interesting tech
under the hood (it drives like an enormous Prius), and the towing setup is
compatible with a Silverado/Tahoe/Sierra/Yukon (though the capacity numbers
are different).  One of these big vehicles would barely notice your 1500lb
boat, and the Tesla Cybertruck will be a drop-in replacement when it
becomes available.  I find the hybrid drivetrain attenuates the annoyances
of driving a big V8.  This thing may be bigger than what you're looking for
but, if you're looking for a dedicated towbeast, it's worth considering.

-Luke



On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 10:27 AM Mark Hanson via EV 
wrote:

> Hi Folks
> I have a Leaf for my son and Bolt for me but since we gave away the Ranger
> and Prius, now want something that will tow my H20 ski alum boat 1480lbs
> total including trailer.  Initially we wanted the Prius Prime 50Mpg with 25
> mile EV range but only saw European towing rating about 1500 lbs and 0
> Towing for the US in the owners manual (Tesla3 similar).  I don’t
> understand why a car is given a towing rating in Europe but not here.
> The Rav 4 Prime has a good towing rating about 2.5k lbs but we both don’t
> like the angry-aggressive front grill face it has (I know that’s a silly
> reason ).  Although it’s 42 miles EV range, but about 37mpg.  The Ford
> Escape (or Euro Kuga) PHEV gets 42mpg and 37 mile EV range and a bit
> cheaper $32k instead of the Rav4 Prime $38k.  The Ford gets $6.8k back from
> the Fed and the Rav4 $7.5k until 200k sold. The Ford also has a happy
> smiley face/front grill.   I thought of the Tesla Y with good towing but
> looked like $50k with *no* Fed rebate and when I pretended to online order,
> went up to $60k.  That’s what I initially paid for my house!  Could buy two
> Escapes for that.  I’ve got an Escape on order but aren’t making till
> January the dealer said probably due to the Kuga euro battery recalls on
> the 20’ models.  The 20’ here is made of Unobtanium.  Although a PHEV
> sounds like a good idea if towing long distance (pure EV range is half with
> boat) the problem is the gas doesn’t get burned much locally so put in
> Stabil fuel stabilizer but still concerned about fuel turning to varnish -
> about a year I think.  My brother with his Prius Prime has done ok with
> Stabil and annual road trips to occasionally use the gas.  I thought about
> a Electric Truck , like F150, CyberTruck , Rivian but currently to pricey
> and too huge / bulky for me.  I tow a 5x8 trailer behind my Chevy Bolt EV
> (that says no towing) for a truck function now.
> Guess “life is full of trade offs “ as John Lennon would say.
> Have a renewable energy Christmas
> Mark
> Www.Reevadiy.org.
>
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Re: [EVDL] 'All's not well with UK public charging' / Autonomy

[Luke Scharf via EV]

Like this?

Tracks Ahead: Road Railers - YouTube


I've seen these traveling through my town.

Seems like a good way to move cargo, though I imagine a trailer frame
required to withstand the stresses may be a bit heavier than the road-only
version (which would come with a cargo capacity tradeoff).

The 1980s versions had the train wheels permanently attached to the
trailers.  The newer version uses bogeys between the trailers.

-Luke

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 4:55 PM Peri Hartman via EV 
wrote:

> But, imagine, self driving or not, having semi trucks line up and drive
> over a railway spur. Then, lower their steel wheels, and drive off as a
> train, of sorts.
>
> This would get rid of the rail yards and all the messing around of
> getting containers from ships to rail cars and later getting containers
> onto trucks to deliver to their destinations. All of those steps would
> be drastically condensed but you would still have, for the long haul
> portion, the efficiency of a train.
>
> Peri
>
> << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Lee Hart" 
> To: "Peri Hartman" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
> List" 
> Sent: 05-Dec-20 12:07:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] 'All's not well with UK public charging' / Autonomy
>
> >Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> >>Right. But we're talking about large trucks, not a train. Unless
> >>drafting, each truck has to deal with wind resistance. But, with
> >>drafting, your point makes the argument that rails would make a
> >>significant difference.
> >>
> >>Maybe the US should be financing a new kind of rail system or modify the
> >>existing one. One where each freight car is self powered and can exit
> >>the tracks and use rubber tires for "the last mile."
> >
> >Yes. As an engineer, it is pretty easy to imagine a vehicle with both
> tires and steel wheels, that can easily transition from one to the other
> "on the fly" while driving at speed. It's especially solve-able with
> self-driving vehicles.
> >
> >The challenge (as always) is that a good new solution is always crowded
> out by a bad old solution that is already established. See quote below.
> >
> >Lee
> >
> >-- Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any
> >good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats. -- Howard Aiken
> >--
> >Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com
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Re: [EVDL] 'All's not well with UK public charging' / Autonomy

[Luke Scharf via EV]

This already exists:
https://youtu.be/qgQA_fySJ74?t=514

Making it work in practice is harder than it looks, though.

-Luke



On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 2:58 PM Peter VanDerWal via EV 
wrote:

> If that's the case, then they aught to embed steel rails in the lane.  The
> truck can get to/from the lane on rubber tires and then switch to steel
> wheels on steel rails.  Much better efficieny, reduce wear on tires (saves
> money) and less micro-partical pollution.
>
> As an added bonus the rails could be electrified to power the trucks so
> they don't need to haul around tons of batteries.  Power could be derived
> (at least part of the time) by using solar roofs for those lanes.
>
> This, of course, would make too much sense to ever be implemented.
>
> December 1, 2020 5:33 PM, "Mark Abramowitz via EV" 
> wrote:
>
> > At least initially, the proposal is for a special closed lane along the
> freeway.
> >
> > - Mark
> >
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Re: [EVDL] [External] EVLN: Tesla-Y feels like it’s not towing anything

[Luke Scharf via EV]

We need a way to rate the trailer's drag, as well as its weight.

Measuring the cross sectional area of the trailer seems like a good proxy
for drag, as the Cd won't very as much for trailers as it does for cars.

As many people on this list already know, there are some classic
engineering formulas which could be used to calculate a useful
approximation of the trailer's energy cost to the tow vehicle in
steady-state highway driving.  If I get a moment, I'll build a
spreadsheet-toy to see how well I can put it all together.

-Luke

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 11:12 AM Willie via EV  wrote:

>
>
> On 8/16/20 11:24 PM, George Mullineaux via EV wrote:
> > But I never doubted the ability of an EV with 2,000+ pounds of torque
> towing. It is the manufacturers that will not rate their vehicles with a
> comparable towing weight. Let me go out on a limb and claim that the reason
> for this is that towing will greatly impact range. As has been mentioned
> many times in posts, that is the holy grail of EVs. If Tesla, Audi, Ford,
> Rivian, etc. would give us the range while unloaded, and a range while
> fully loaded and another while towing a respectable weight; they could then
> rate their vehicles for towing and hauling so that the owner would not void
> the warranty. Or maybe that is another underlying reason, the warranty.
>
> To rate range, you would have to have some standard load.  Tires,
> weight, shape, etc.
>
> My experience is that range reduction from towing can be near zero up to
> near 50%.
>
> Tesla, especially, has been reluctant to bless towing.  I ignore them.
> The early Ss did seem to have rather fragile drive trains which would
> explain Tesla discouraging towing.  But the Semi is supposed to use drive
> trains from 3s.
>
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Re: [EVDL] [External] EVLN: Tesla-Y feels like it’s not towing anything

[Luke Scharf via EV]

 towed a travel trailer with a GMC Sierra Hybrid this weekend.  This is one
of the GM 2-Mode Hybrid vehicles.

My MPG and driving range fell to about 50% with the trailer attached to the
big hybrid -- which is about what people who've towed with the Model X have
reported.  Thinking through the feel of my setup this weekend, I feel like
most of the range drop was due to the aerodynamic drag of the trailer
(which had a large cross-sectional area).

I definitely felt the aerodynamic drag of the trailer more than the weight
when traveling at highway speeds.

The low-speed controllability of the eCVT makes for a really nice tow
vehicle.  Hitching up and maneuvering the trailer was easier with this
truck than with any other tow-vehicle I've ever used.  At low speed/power
settings, the eCVT part of the 2-mode system dominates the driving feel,
but it feels more like a conventional automatic at higher speed/power.

An electric tow vehicle could easily beat the big hybrid in terms of
low-speed controllability, but would likely be smoother and quieter at
highway speeds.  The 50% reduction in range seems to be about par for the
course.

-Luke


On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 3:27 AM George Mullineaux via EV 
wrote:

> But I never doubted the ability of an EV with 2,000+ pounds of torque
> towing. It is the manufacturers that will not rate their vehicles with a
> comparable towing weight. Let me go out on a limb and claim that the reason
> for this is that towing will greatly impact range. As has been mentioned
> many times in posts, that is the holy grail of EVs. If Tesla, Audi, Ford,
> Rivian, etc. would give us the range while unloaded, and a range while
> fully loaded and another while towing a respectable weight; they could then
> rate their vehicles for towing and hauling so that the owner would not void
> the warranty. Or maybe that is another underlying reason, the warranty.
>
> George Mullineaux
> 3rd Shift Wrench Monkey
> Pinnacle Corrugated, Landis, N.C.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: EV  On Behalf Of evln via EV
> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 23:27
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: evln 
> Subject: [External] [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-Y feels like it’s not towing
> anything
>
>
>
>
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fthedriven.io%2F2020%2F08%2F10%2Ffeels-like-its-not-towing-anything-video-of-model-y-shows-powerful-towing-capability%2F__%3B!!CvttNVKvMsQ7MGjF!s_v-NSm4DveFnqwToIemStXIe4LQThqS8gYqFZUhqn2VLq-Z8hdV11YcWI-_WCV62zJmLrQ64To6LZQ%24data=02%7C01%7Cgeorgemullineaux%40pinnaclecorrugated.com%7Ca528f420d24748c921f108d8425d5f40%7C976178cc71b24588b870337d092cdfe3%7C0%7C0%7C637332316083464575sdata=%2FMJg4Nd0bTMjEFi%2BQJI%2BHs32Fc85vFVIi570NIndWNc%3Dreserved=0
> “Feels like it’s not towing anything”: Video of Model Y shows powerful
> towing capability August 10, 2020 ... The claim that electric vehicles
> cannot tow trailers, caravans and boats has been proven wrong ... a Tesla
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> with the owner reportedly saying it was so effortless that it felt “like
> it’s not towing anything“ ...
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> The Long Range Plus variant has done wonders for EV competition and has
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> is
> important to ...
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Re: [EVDL] prius as generator

[Luke Scharf via EV]

This is a really interesting discussion, and has provided a lot of
additional considerations for my paper-design work -- which makes the
puzzle all the more interesting.

Thank you!

-Luke


On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 8:41 PM Haudy Kazemi via EV 
wrote:

> Willie, thanks for the details. I suggest trying again but this time, in
> addition to the true east/west orientation, also put them 90 degrees apart
> from each other at their peaks. In other words, each should be at 45 degree
> angles to the ground. This will limit total illumination as the sun cannot
> shine squarely on two sides at once. It should also flatten the daily power
> curve from approximately 10a to 4p (varies by day length). Some solar
> energy will still be left uncaptured around noon due inverter clipping on
> bright days, but the inverter will run at full capacity longer. Enphase has
> a whitepaper discussing DC:AC ratios.
>
> Thinly overcast days may also produce better than you may first guess. The
> high DC/AC ratio can partially compensate for even, but lower intensity
> light. PV cells with low shunt resistance do better in low light.
>
> https://www.pveducation.org/pvcdrom/solar-cell-operation/shunt-resistance
>
> https://www.pveducation.org/pvcdrom/solar-cell-operation/impact-of-both-series-and-shunt-resistance
>
>
> Bob, I do not believe diode isolation is needed, at least if one is using
> exactly 2 parallel strings made up of commercial modules which come with
> built-in bypass diodes. If using more than 2 parallel strings, things are
> different. Also, designs with >2 parallel strings will definitely need
> per-string fusing to prevent current from 2 good strings from overloading
> the wires of a failed 3rd string if that 3rd string somehow shorts out the
> other 2.
>
> Last, user bcroe from the solarpaneltalk.com forum website has an
> east/west
> array:
>
> https://s93.photobucket.com/user/bcroe/library/ENERGY%2520CONSERVATION/East%2520West%2520Facing%2520Solar%2520Array#
> !
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 09:26 Robert Bruninga via EV 
> wrote:
>
> > True, south always better.  But the point is that then you need an
> inverter
> > with twice the capacity..
> > The topic being discussed is being able to share an inverter with
> > additional panels facing a different direction.
> >
> > Key points:  1) when not facing due south, panels should be less tilted
> > since the sun rises in the NE and sets in the NW, having flatter panels
> > gets more sun time in the middle of the day.
> > 2) Even if both panels are quite illuminated at the same time, the MPPT
> > inverter will not be overloaded.  It will always adjust to max power and
> no
> > more.  SO having some overlap is OK.
> > 3) In my case, my SE panels begin to be shaded by 2 PM, so I installed
> > another set of panels facing SW that begin to be unshaded about the same
> > time,
> > 4) You must parallel them with diode isolation.
> >
> > Back to #1, remember that even FLAT panels will produce 80% annual totals
> > of the ideal south panels.  They are terrible in the winter but make up
> for
> > it with the double high-sun in the summer.  Though do not do it, they
> will
> > collect dust and cant wash off in the rain.  Im just makiong the point
> that
> > the only placew where you tilt to latitude is due south.  Other
> directions,
> > less tilt is better.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:00 AM Peter VanDerWal via EV <
> ev@lists.evdl.org
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > FWIW I did some simulations using PVWatts 2 a while back to see if it
> > made
> > > sense to have a panel facing east and another facing west, like you
> > > describe(tilted to match latitude).  I was hoping this would result in
> a
> > > flatter power output through the day.  Turned out that in almost all
> > cases
> > > it was better off to have both panels facing south(tilted to match
> > > latitude).
> > > More power across the whole day and obviously more daily energy
> produced.
> > >
> > > July 29, 2020 6:55 PM, "Willie via EV"  wrote:
> > > > Yes. With a vertical angle between of 30-40 deg; a pair of panels
> make
> > a
> > > near equilateral triangle
> > > > with the ground. I'm wondering if I might see better results by
> > reducing
> > > that angle between panels.
> > > >
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Re: [EVDL] prius as generator

[Luke Scharf via EV]

Thanks!  I've managed to find https://plugoutpower.com/ and read through
their site.  I'll contact them if I have something they might find
interesting.

I just purchased a GM 2-mode hybrid pickup truck, and have been doing
pen-and-paper design exercises to see if adding an electric power takeoff
inverter is possible.

It looks doable.  Figuring out how to tap into the HVDC system under the
hood doesn't look that hard, and finding electrically-compatible parts
(such as an off-grid MPPT inverter which can take a 300VDC input) also
looks fairly doable.

But, plugging things together is the easy part.  There are a lot of
engineering constraints and safety/durability issues which would need to be
thought through carefully.  This is a pen-and-paper design exercise for me
for now.

-Luke


On Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 11:34 AM Robert Bruninga  wrote:

> There is a company (called Plugout I think) working on a 3kw and 5kw
> version but best I can tell, they are taking the simple way out.  They are
> just taking a normal inverter (designed for HVDC input  for Europe (220
> VAC) and then selling you an autotransformer to convert to split phase 240
> VAC.
>
> But the weight of a 3 to 5 kW autotransfomer has got to be hundreds of
> lbs.  And price goes up to the thousands.
>
> To me it should be a designers dream and huge market, EXCEPT that it will
> require professional hacking to each EV or Hybrid model depending on
> voltage and how hard it is to get access to the HV circuits.  The prius
> battery was 220 VDC and pretty easy to get to.  No one seems to know how to
> get into a Volt's battery without dropping the entire battery from below.
>
> Bob, WB4APR
> Author ARRL: http://aprs.org/Energy-Choices.html
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 11:40 PM Luke Scharf via EV 
> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone done anything like Richard Factor's PriUPS, except with the GM
>> 2-Mode hybrid?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Luke
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 3:25 PM Lee Hart via EV 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > redscooter via EV wrote:
>> > > I want to do a prius 12vdc battery to 120 vac invertor. which of the
>> > prius
>> > > can do this meaning, turn the car on,  turn off all the extra loads,
>> turn
>> > > on invertor. Which years or gen /s  will stay on and keep charging
>> the 12
>> > > vdc battery??  some talked about using the manal key to lock the
>> doors.
>> >
>> > I have a 2001 Prius, and my son has a 2014 Prius. We really don't have
>> > to do anything special to power an inverter. Just leave the key "on"
>> > with the car in "ready", and the ICE will start and stop as necessary to
>> > keep the 12v battery charged.
>> >
>> > Small inverters (under 100w) can be plugged into the 12v accessory
>> > outlet. Larger ones should be connected directly to the battery with
>> > heavy wires, as they can draw a significant amount of current.
>> >
>> > Bob Bruninga has done a significant amount of work on Prius with
>> > inverters. Check out his website for details and ideas
>> > <http://www.aprs.org/aprs-swer.html>. He's on this list, so perhaps
>> > he'll chime in with more information. :-)
>> >
>> > Lee Hart
>> >
>> > --
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Re: [EVDL] prius as generator

[Luke Scharf via EV]

Has anyone done anything like Richard Factor's PriUPS, except with the GM
2-Mode hybrid?

Thanks,
-Luke

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 3:25 PM Lee Hart via EV  wrote:

> redscooter via EV wrote:
> > I want to do a prius 12vdc battery to 120 vac invertor. which of the
> prius
> > can do this meaning, turn the car on,  turn off all the extra loads, turn
> > on invertor. Which years or gen /s  will stay on and keep charging the 12
> > vdc battery??  some talked about using the manal key to lock the doors.
>
> I have a 2001 Prius, and my son has a 2014 Prius. We really don't have
> to do anything special to power an inverter. Just leave the key "on"
> with the car in "ready", and the ICE will start and stop as necessary to
> keep the 12v battery charged.
>
> Small inverters (under 100w) can be plugged into the 12v accessory
> outlet. Larger ones should be connected directly to the battery with
> heavy wires, as they can draw a significant amount of current.
>
> Bob Bruninga has done a significant amount of work on Prius with
> inverters. Check out his website for details and ideas
> . He's on this list, so perhaps
> he'll chime in with more information. :-)
>
> Lee Hart
>
> --
> If happiness is on your mind, here's a daily list to find:
>   - something to do
>   - something to look forward to
>   - someone to love
>   - someone to take good care of
>   - and misbehave, just a little
>   --
> Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com
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