Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of reference? TY.

[Alan Grayson]

Spud is the culprit doing this. If he wants to go off-topic, he should 
start a dedicated thread, not wreak this one. AG

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 5:51:30 PM UTC-7 Lawrence Crowell wrote:

> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 12:10:51 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Ah, and Minkowski's higher dimension appears to require Willem DeSitter 
>> to step in and re-normalize the view from such an observer. My thinking is, 
>> would this be some sort of tachyonic field in some kind of Lorentzian 
>> Manifold? You may know, but I cannot. 
>>
>>
> This discussion is splintering off into a range of utterly unconnected 
> topic, from de Sitter spacetime to Hogarth-Malamet hypercomputation. This 
> is completely disconnected, and it is delving far more into science fiction 
> than science.
>
> LC
>  
>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Lawrence Crowell 
>> To: Everything List 
>> Sent: Thu, Nov 17, 2022 6:57 am
>> Subject: Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of 
>> reference? TY.
>>
>> What I outline is the idea of the Rindler wedge, or the spacetime 
>> according to an accelerated observer. The Unruh effect is a quantum field 
>> theoretic result on how quantum fields on either side of the induced 
>> particle horizon have no complete description according to the accelerated 
>> observer. As a result the Minkowski vacuum becomes vacuum plus a thermal 
>> distribution of bosons. 
>>
>> LC
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 8:41:49 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Acceleration at the speed of (G)ravity is a bit unconfirmed, though 
>> widely, accepted by the physics community to be the same as that of photons 
>> through an absolute vacuum. Meanwhile, we can also address through 
>> relativity this question: What is the aggregate speed of T = time? At a 
>> cosmological black hole time stops. At just under the speed of a photon in 
>> absolute vacuum ,the speed of time also enters a null set at the observer 
>> pov.  
>>
>> It is also possible through the miracle or quantum gravity that the 
>> observer moment splits into many histories (Hawking-Hartle). 
>> Thus, the Reference Frame is made flesh through Everett-DeWitt-Wheeler 
>> equations, as MWI flourishes, via frame dragging. 
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Lawrence Crowell 
>> To: Everything List 
>> Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2022 9:10 pm
>> Subject: Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of 
>> reference? TY.
>>
>> Coordinate time variables dt = cosh(gs)ds and dx= sinh(gs)ds are such 
>> that dt^2 - dx^2 =  (cosh^2(gs) - sinh^2(gs))ds^2 = ds^2, and defines a 
>> flat space metric for special relativity. These coordinates define an 
>> accelerated frame with acceleration g. 
>>
>> LC
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 6:14:26 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Can Ref Frames be addressed with General Relativity, also? Travel very 
>> fast, time slows down. Travel to a supermassive location, time slows down. 
>> The thing then is time, which Julian Barbour says it doesn't exist-which I 
>> understand. What exists is motion. Even motion at a quantum scale, like the 
>> bopping of electrons and photons. They move nonetheless, somebody in Italy, 
>> once said. 
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Lawrence Crowell 
>> To: Everything List 
>> Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2022 7:05 pm
>> Subject: Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of 
>> reference? TY.
>>
>> Accelerated frames can be addressed with special relativity. 
>>
>> LC
>>
>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 2:14:46 PM UTC-6 agrays...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> EOM.
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Re: WAMP-the-Ingrate of Thanksgiving Sabbath

[Samiya Illias]

When the People of the Book Wronged 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/01/when-people-of-book-wronged.html


> On 18-Nov-2022, at 7:41 AM, Samiya Illias  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> The Kingdom & The Throne 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/02/the-kingdom-throne.html
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 18-Nov-2022, at 12:42 AM, Philip Benjamin  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> WAMP-the-Ingrate For Thanksgiving Sabbath
>> Philip BenjaminNovember 2022
>> Induce! Increase! Iniquities intensify immorally
>> Nothingness nor nonexistence needs no newness  
>> Generating gravels, grass, genomes, growing gifts
>> Return reprobates, revolutions rot, revivals renew 
>> Awaken! Abolish abysmally abnormal assumptions
>> Truth trashed, teaching thrashed, tradition trounced   
>> Evolution eminently eroding, ending evidential effects
>> Silly! Sanctify Sola Scriptura sabbaths, spirit, soul, soma 
>> Philip Benjamin   November 2022
>>   Note: WAMP = World Acade-Media Pagan(ism)
>> 
>> From: Philip Benjamin  Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com  
>> Subject: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?
>>  [Thursday, September 15, 2022  Posted by Samiya Illias at 12:02 AM 
>> Allah has not taken any son   
>> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/09/allah-has-not-taken-any-son.html]
>>   
>> [Philip Benjamin] (Note: This post at this above site is not a scientific 
>> treatise, only Quranic opinion).
>>Philip Benjamin
>>Humanity does not ever have BECOMING divinity  
>>Evolution is an illusory lingo for trans-speciation
>>One species does not undergo trans-speciation
>>Aseity is of a necessary BEING, not of dead matter  
>>Omnipotent is potent to be a theanthropic Zygote
>>Three infinities are one infinity, so also three fields
>>Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural)
>>Patriarchs, Prophets, Apostles concur YHWH Zygote
>>Bethlehem-Judah is the predicted geographic locale
>> Only the Sentencer can cancel the ‘Sentence of Death’
>>That Sentence by vicarious death of the Theanthropos
>>Philip Benjamin Christmas 2022
>>PS. ‘Dead’ Critical Race Theory and resulting ‘Woke Culture’
>>   is the antithesis of Augustinian ‘regeneration’ history and
>> ‘Two Great Awakenings’ are the basis of American Culture
>>which was the envy of pagan Marxist Joseph Stalin who first  
>> coined the phrase “American Exceptionalism”—not oppression
>> but liberty. It is akin to the love of Sabbath/Sabbatical, but hate
>>of its only historical or astronomical or planetary source
>>   of the Book of Genesis—a specialty of WAMP-the-Ingrate
>> [Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism)]
>>  Philip Benjamin 
>>  
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Re: WAMP-the-Ingrate of Thanksgiving Sabbath

[Samiya Illias]

The Kingdom & The Throne 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/02/the-kingdom-throne.html



> On 18-Nov-2022, at 12:42 AM, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> 
> WAMP-the-Ingrate For Thanksgiving Sabbath
> Philip BenjaminNovember 2022
> Induce! Increase! Iniquities intensify immorally
> Nothingness nor nonexistence needs no newness  
> Generating gravels, grass, genomes, growing gifts
> Return reprobates, revolutions rot, revivals renew 
> Awaken! Abolish abysmally abnormal assumptions
> Truth trashed, teaching thrashed, tradition trounced   
> Evolution eminently eroding, ending evidential effects
> Silly! Sanctify Sola Scriptura sabbaths, spirit, soul, soma 
> Philip Benjamin   November 2022
>   Note: WAMP = World Acade-Media Pagan(ism)
> 
> From: Philip Benjamin  Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?
>  [Thursday, September 15, 2022  Posted by Samiya Illias at 12:02 AM 
> Allah has not taken any son   
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/09/allah-has-not-taken-any-son.html]
>   
> [Philip Benjamin] (Note: This post at this above site is not a scientific 
> treatise, only Quranic opinion).
>Philip Benjamin
>Humanity does not ever have BECOMING divinity  
>Evolution is an illusory lingo for trans-speciation
>One species does not undergo trans-speciation
>Aseity is of a necessary BEING, not of dead matter  
>Omnipotent is potent to be a theanthropic Zygote
>Three infinities are one infinity, so also three fields
>Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural)
>Patriarchs, Prophets, Apostles concur YHWH Zygote
>Bethlehem-Judah is the predicted geographic locale
> Only the Sentencer can cancel the ‘Sentence of Death’
>That Sentence by vicarious death of the Theanthropos
>Philip Benjamin Christmas 2022
>PS. ‘Dead’ Critical Race Theory and resulting ‘Woke Culture’
>   is the antithesis of Augustinian ‘regeneration’ history and
> ‘Two Great Awakenings’ are the basis of American Culture
>which was the envy of pagan Marxist Joseph Stalin who first  
> coined the phrase “American Exceptionalism”—not oppression
> but liberty. It is akin to the love of Sabbath/Sabbatical, but hate
>of its only historical or astronomical or planetary source
>   of the Book of Genesis—a specialty of WAMP-the-Ingrate
> [Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism)]
>  Philip Benjamin 
>  
> 
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Re: FW: WAMP-the-Ingrate of Thanksgiving Sabbath

[Lawrence Crowell]

You would make a nice case study for some research program in abnormal 
psychology. Damned if the stuff you write is not just delusional nonsense.

LC

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-6 medinuclear wrote:

> *WAMP-the-Ingrate For Thanksgiving Sabbath *
>
> *Philip Benjamin   * *November 2022*
>
> *I*nduce! Increase! Iniquities intensify immorally
>
> *N*othingness nor nonexistence needs no newness   
>
> *G*enerating gravels, grass, genomes, growing gifts
>
> *R*eturn reprobates, revolutions rot, revivals renew  
>
> *A*waken! Abolish abysmally abnormal assumptions
>
> *T*ruth trashed, teaching thrashed, tradition trounced
>
> Evolution eminently eroding, ending evidential effects 
>
> *S*illy! Sanctify Sola Scriptura sabbaths, spirit, soul, soma 
>
> *Philip Benjamin   November 2022*
>
> *  Note: WAMP = World Acade-Media Pagan(ism)*
>
>
> **
>
> *From:* Philip Benjamin  Everything List everyth...@googlegroups.com  
> *Subject:* Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)? 
>
>  [Thursday, September 15, 2022  Posted by Samiya Illias at 12:02 AM 
> Allah has not taken any son   
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/09/allah-has-not-taken-any-son.html]
>  
>  
>
> [*Philip Benjamin*] (Note: *This post at this above site is not a 
> scientific treatise, only Quranic opinion**).*
>
>*Philip Benjamin*
>
>Humanity does not ever have BECOMING divinity  
>
>Evolution is an illusory lingo for trans-speciation
>
>One species does not undergo trans-speciation 
>
>Aseity is of a necessary BEING, not of dead matter  
>
>Omnipotent is potent to be a theanthropic Zygote
>
>*Three infinities* are one *infinity*, so also three *fields*
>
>Adonai *(plural)* YHWH (*singular*) Elohim (*uni-plural*)
>
>Patriarchs, Prophets, Apostles concur YHWH Zygote
>
>Bethlehem-Judah is the predicted geographic locale
>
> Only the Sentencer can cancel the ‘Sentence of Death’
>
>That Sentence by vicarious death of the Theanthropos
>
> *   Philip Benjamin Christmas 2022 *
>
> *   PS. ‘**Dead’ Critical Race Theory and resulting ‘Woke Culture’ *
>
> *  is the antithesis of Augustinian ‘regeneration’ history and *
>
> *‘Two Great Awakenings’ are the basis of American Culture*
>
> *   which was the envy of pagan Marxist Joseph Stalin who first   *
>
> *coined the phrase “American Exceptionalism”—not oppression*
>
> *but liberty. It is akin to the love of Sabbath/Sabbatical, but 
> hate *
>
> *   of its only historical or astronomical or planetary source *
>
> *  of the Book of Genesis—a specialty of WAMP-the-Ingrate*
>
> *[Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism)] *
>
> * Philip Benjamin  *
>
>  
>
>  
>

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Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of reference? TY.

[Lawrence Crowell]

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 12:10:51 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

> Ah, and Minkowski's higher dimension appears to require Willem DeSitter to 
> step in and re-normalize the view from such an observer. My thinking is, 
> would this be some sort of tachyonic field in some kind of Lorentzian 
> Manifold? You may know, but I cannot. 
>
>
This discussion is splintering off into a range of utterly unconnected 
topic, from de Sitter spacetime to Hogarth-Malamet hypercomputation. This 
is completely disconnected, and it is delving far more into science fiction 
than science.

LC
 

>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence Crowell 
> To: Everything List 
> Sent: Thu, Nov 17, 2022 6:57 am
> Subject: Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of 
> reference? TY.
>
> What I outline is the idea of the Rindler wedge, or the spacetime 
> according to an accelerated observer. The Unruh effect is a quantum field 
> theoretic result on how quantum fields on either side of the induced 
> particle horizon have no complete description according to the accelerated 
> observer. As a result the Minkowski vacuum becomes vacuum plus a thermal 
> distribution of bosons. 
>
> LC
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 8:41:49 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com 
> wrote:
>
> Acceleration at the speed of (G)ravity is a bit unconfirmed, though 
> widely, accepted by the physics community to be the same as that of photons 
> through an absolute vacuum. Meanwhile, we can also address through 
> relativity this question: What is the aggregate speed of T = time? At a 
> cosmological black hole time stops. At just under the speed of a photon in 
> absolute vacuum ,the speed of time also enters a null set at the observer 
> pov.  
>
> It is also possible through the miracle or quantum gravity that the 
> observer moment splits into many histories (Hawking-Hartle). 
> Thus, the Reference Frame is made flesh through Everett-DeWitt-Wheeler 
> equations, as MWI flourishes, via frame dragging. 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence Crowell 
> To: Everything List 
> Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2022 9:10 pm
> Subject: Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of 
> reference? TY.
>
> Coordinate time variables dt = cosh(gs)ds and dx= sinh(gs)ds are such that 
> dt^2 - dx^2 =  (cosh^2(gs) - sinh^2(gs))ds^2 = ds^2, and defines a flat 
> space metric for special relativity. These coordinates define an 
> accelerated frame with acceleration g. 
>
> LC
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 6:14:26 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com 
> wrote:
>
> Can Ref Frames be addressed with General Relativity, also? Travel very 
> fast, time slows down. Travel to a supermassive location, time slows down. 
> The thing then is time, which Julian Barbour says it doesn't exist-which I 
> understand. What exists is motion. Even motion at a quantum scale, like the 
> bopping of electrons and photons. They move nonetheless, somebody in Italy, 
> once said. 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence Crowell 
> To: Everything List 
> Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2022 7:05 pm
> Subject: Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of 
> reference? TY.
>
> Accelerated frames can be addressed with special relativity. 
>
> LC
>
> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 2:14:46 PM UTC-6 agrays...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> EOM.
>
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FW: WAMP-the-Ingrate of Thanksgiving Sabbath

[Philip Benjamin]

WAMP-the-Ingrate For Thanksgiving Sabbath
Philip BenjaminNovember 2022
Induce! Increase! Iniquities intensify immorally
Nothingness nor nonexistence needs no newness
Generating gravels, grass, genomes, growing gifts
Return reprobates, revolutions rot, revivals renew
Awaken! Abolish abysmally abnormal assumptions
Truth trashed, teaching thrashed, tradition trounced
Evolution eminently eroding, ending evidential effects
Silly! Sanctify Sola Scriptura sabbaths, spirit, soul, soma
Philip Benjamin   November 2022
  Note: WAMP = World Acade-Media Pagan(ism)

From: Philip Benjamin  Everything List 
everything-list@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?
 [Thursday, September 15, 2022  Posted by Samiya Illias at 12:02 AM 
Allah has not taken any son   
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/09/allah-has-not-taken-any-son.html]
[Philip Benjamin] (Note: This post at this above site is not a scientific 
treatise, only Quranic opinion).
   Philip Benjamin
   Humanity does not ever have BECOMING divinity
   Evolution is an illusory lingo for trans-speciation
   One species does not undergo trans-speciation
   Aseity is of a necessary BEING, not of dead matter
   Omnipotent is potent to be a theanthropic Zygote
   Three infinities are one infinity, so also three fields
   Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural)
   Patriarchs, Prophets, Apostles concur YHWH Zygote
   Bethlehem-Judah is the predicted geographic locale
Only the Sentencer can cancel the 'Sentence of Death'
   That Sentence by vicarious death of the Theanthropos
   Philip Benjamin Christmas 2022
   PS. 'Dead' Critical Race Theory and resulting 'Woke Culture'
  is the antithesis of Augustinian 'regeneration' history and
'Two Great Awakenings' are the basis of American Culture
   which was the envy of pagan Marxist Joseph Stalin who first
coined the phrase "American Exceptionalism"-not oppression
but liberty. It is akin to the love of Sabbath/Sabbatical, but hate
   of its only historical or astronomical or planetary source
  of the Book of Genesis-a specialty of WAMP-the-Ingrate
[Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism)]
 Philip Benjamin


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Re: NYTimes.com: We Fact-Checked Trump’s Speech

[Brent Meeker]

"Policy is everything" is what a sycophant says when his guy is a 
narcissistic scumbag with the world view of a 4th grader.  The policies 
that were "everything" consisted of keeping out immigrants, cutting 
taxes on the richest people, withdrawing from international alliances, 
denouncing global warming as a hoax, getting a million Americans killed 
by COVID, and pandering to ruthless autocrats.


Brent

On 11/17/2022 9:36 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
John, and maybe this is just me, I believe or trust that most 
politicians like most of the time.
The people who lie the most have been dem pols and their supporting 
propagandists.

The deal with you is that you screen out what these folk claim.

Remember words are often nothing to these people, because they're 
doing persuasion, not physics.


For an electrical engineer, you allow emotion to eclipse your 
intellect. Focus on policy and what you opposed on Trumpo and what you 
oppose or agree with on Joey. Policy is everything, and personality is 
for The Hollywood Reporter.



-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 17, 2022 6:22 am
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: We Fact-Checked Trump’s Speech



On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:11 PM Lawrence Crowell 
 wrote:


> /You cannot take anything t'Rump says as real. Even words like
"and" and "the" are lies. /


All politicians lie from time to time but I have never heard a 
politician, or any human being for that matter, lie with the machine 
gun rapidity of Donald J Trump. And to me what is even more astounding 
is that most Trump zombies know this but they just don't care.


 John K Clark    See what's on my new list at Extropolis 


vcx

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Re: NYTimes.com: We Fact-Checked Trump’s Speech

[John Clark]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 12:36 PM  wrote:

*> The people who lie the most have been dem pols and their supporting
> propagandists.*
>

Democratic politicians, like all human beings, lie from time to time, but
when they give public speeches they don't tell a different lie every 15 or
20 seconds during an entire hour long speech. In my entire life the only
human being I've ever seen do that is Donald J Trump.


*> For an electrical engineer, you allow emotion to eclipse your intellect.
> Focus on policy and what you opposed on Trump*
>

OK I don't like Trump's policy of reducing medical benefits gor the poor
and middle class. I don't like Trump's policy of reducing taxes on the
super ultra mega rich. I don't like Trump's policy of complaining about the
poor state of the US infrastructure but not doing anything to improve it .
I don't like Trump's policy of doing his best to destroy the US
Constitution and instigating a coup d'état if he loses a presidential
election.


>
> *> what you oppose or agree with on Joey. Policy is everything, and
> personality is for The Hollywood Reporter.  *
>

Intelligence or the lack of it is part of personality  and knowledge or the
lack of it is part of personality, and emotional stability or the lack of
it is part of personality, and an insatiable hunger for power or the lack
of it is part of personality,  so that's an important part of being a good
leader, In fact I'd say it's the most important part. Thus before you make
somebody Commander In Chief and give them the power to kill you and
everybody you know, and everybody you've ever heard of in the next 20
minutes and who claims to be a "very stable genius" I think it is
reasonable to investigate if that claim has any validity.  And in Trump's
case it certainly does not . Spud, you say avoiding a nuclear war is the
most important issue facing the world and I agree, so why would you want to
give power like that to a 76-year-old man who behaves like a 14-year-old
whiny brat?

*> Ron DeSantis, Say his name!!!*


I'd rather have my teeth drilled.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of reference? TY.

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Hmmm. Have you considered that a Malamet-Hogarth Spacetime, (mathematically 
speaking), would conflate with your blackhole-wormhole conundrum? Specifically:
Forever is a Day: Supertasks in Pitowsky and Malament-Hogarth Spacetimes (book 
stub).
Forever is a Day: Supertasks in Pitowsky and Malament-Hogarth Spacetimes | 
Philosophy of Science | Cambridge Core

Concomitant with:
Unruh deWitt probe of late time revival of quantum correlations in Friedmann 
spacetimes
[2210.11186] Unruh deWitt probe of late time revival of quantum correlations in 
Friedmann spacetimes (arxiv.org)

Meaning, if we live in a universe that has mass, then transversable wormholes 
are to be expected. This was the point of the news note, that I posted the 
other day.Wormholes May Be Hiding In Plain Sight, Says Study, Demonstrates How
Wormholes May Already Have Been Detected, Physicists Say : ScienceAlert

With our insufficient equipment (as good as it is!) the astronomers may not 
have recognized a white hole, as in transversable, if it came up behind them, 
and bit them on the ass. It's not their fault, it's just that we haven't 
pursued the best that we could have in physics and astronomy. 
What will change for us mortals, if crossable spacetimes are trivially, true? 
Maybe Nothing!  We're, as always, fired up by war and money and power. The 
science fiction would get better, me thinks. We still have taxes to pay, etc...

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Sent: Thu, Nov 17, 2022 11:41 am
Subject: Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of reference? 
TY.



On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 9:41 AM John Clark  wrote:

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:25 PM  wrote:




> Setting aside relativity for the nonce, the workability of transversable 
> wormholes is getting more, better! 
https://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.106.104024

The trouble with the idea that a Black Hole is the mouth of a wormhole is that 
the other end of the wormhole should be a White Hole and nobody has ever 
detected one

That paper is about traversable wormholes held open by exotic matter, which 
probably could not form naturally (Kip Thorne talked in his paper about what 
might be possible for an 'advanced civilization'), but the traversable wormhole 
solution doesn't involve any event horizons, black hole or white hole. The idea 
of a black hole containing a wormhole comes from the eternal Schwarzschild 
black hole, but it's physically unrealistic because from the perspective of 
external observers this type of black hole would exist forever both in the past 
and future, whereas a physically realistic black hole would form from 
collapsing matter, from what I understand the GR solutions that have been found 
for dynamically formed black holes don't involve wormholes. The Schwarszschild 
black hole contains both a black hole interior region and a white hole interior 
region, though external observers would be able to see *both* particles 
emerging from the white hole region and particles falling in towards the black 
hole region, so from the outside it doesn't look specifically like a black hole 
or a white hole (and there are two distinct 'outside' regions, sometimes 
described as different 'universes' though they are all part of single connected 
spacetime). I think the diagram of the eternal Schwarzschild black hole in 
Kruskal-Szekeres coordinates is probably the most intuitive way to think about 
the weirdness of this solution since the diagram makes light cones look the 
same way they do in SR, there's a qualitative description of the diagram at 
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Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of reference? TY.

[Brent Meeker]

On 11/17/2022 4:49 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:
LC: If we have two accelerating frames accelerating at the same rate 
but in opposite directions, do the Laws of Physics transform according 
to the LT where v in the LT is now the instantaneous relative velocity 
of the frames at every time t? AG


It's not the "Laws of Physics" that transform.  The LT describes the 
measurement of one system from another in relative motion.  If one or 
both systems are accelerating; it applies to instantaneous measurements.




JC: take notice. These are the TWO frames I was referring to 
previously. Also, in answering the question posed in this thread, I 
don't think it matters if the acceleration is produced by a force or 
by gravity. This is what I conclude from Brent's diagram. Do you agree? AG


It doesn't matter as far as how the LT relates measurements in one 
system from the other.  But it matters within each system whether it is 
accelerated or not (e.g. Coriolis forces) and gravity is not a force.  
Free fall is unaccelerated motion in GR.


Brent



On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:05:32 PM UTC-7 Lawrence Crowell 
wrote:


Accelerated frames can be addressed with special relativity.

LC

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EOM.

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Re: NYTimes.com: We Fact-Checked Trump’s Speech

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Ron DeSantis, Say his name!!!
Oh, and, um, Go Team! Joey's policies seem awful and hostile to the rest of the 
US. I don't see Fetterman or Newsome having the record to run on. Kamala? 
Um Hillary, maybe, but it'll be what the lass promises in 2024, the 
economy, war, all the finer things of life. 



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On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 5:22:44 AM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:11 PM Lawrence Crowell  
wrote:


> You cannot take anything t'Rump says as real. Even words like "and" and "the" 
> are lies. 

All politicians lie from time to time but I have never heard a politician, or 
any human being for that matter, lie with the machine gun rapidity of Donald J 
Trump. And to me what is even more astounding is that most Trump zombies know 
this but they just don't care. 
 John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis

It is amazing. However, t'Rump had a hell of a booze party going, but now all 
these right-wingers have to get sober. I suspect there will be a loss of 
followers over time. Don-the-Con t'Rump is probably used up.
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Re: NYTimes.com: We Fact-Checked Trump’s Speech

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

I understand Team Playing which is what we are both doing LC. Go Team! Look, I 
say let the truth be known. For Don, I can't even persuade my own flesh and 
blood family that the Donald is just a NY personality who won because people 
hated and feared Obama and Hillary. Gio Team!
It's simply that the crap the DNC accused him of has all fallen through. If 
Donny, or Joey, or Hillary, betrayed us, let's find out. 
I'd be less cynical if you stated, "hey, this policy of Trump sucked because, 
[fill in the blank]." Then we can, argue the matter on which policy works best, 
or damages us the least. 
Trump is liked because he shakes the dem establishment up. Go Team!!!
Who will be the Rep Nominee in 2024? Ron DeSantis. If I were you, I'd try to 
find out what his science policy has been?
As one analyst said, "If DeSantis beats Trump in the nomination, nobody the 
Democrats put up will matter."

Go Team!! Time for the towel wave!

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From: Lawrence Crowell 
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Sent: Thu, Nov 17, 2022 7:00 am
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: We Fact-Checked Trump’s Speech

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:50:41 AM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

You don't need to take Don's word on anything. But you'll have to take your 
fellow progressives WaPo (owned by Bezos) when, after the recent election, the 
FBI says no money motive in the documents. Like there is dealings with Hunter 
taking cash from China and Russia, but for the Don protecting himself from 
getting caught..no!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/14/trump-motive-mar-a-lago-documents/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

The Times finally admits Hunter Biden's laptop is real (nypost.com)
So, if Don can't win, he's no damn good to me. I know a guy who could but 
that's for later. 



Amazing how conservatives continue to make an issue of Hunter's laptop and 
Hillary's emails, while seem to excuse t'Rump's incitement of the overthrow of 
an elected government.
LC 
-Original Message-
From: Lawrence Crowell 
To: Everything List 
Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2022 7:11 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: We Fact-Checked Trump’s Speech

You cannot take anything t'Rump says as real. Even words like "and" and "the" 
are lies. 
LC

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 4:55:15 AM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, you 
can read it through this gift link without a subscription.

We Fact-Checked Trump’s Speech

Former President Donald J. Trump made a number of claims about his policies and 
President Biden’s record. We checked them for accuracy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/us/trump-speech-fact-check.html?unlocked_article_code=hvvjMLs5DcFQUdgUvHItqjYjUBtGZhboSyFm-Fe2PsqcHd0vmyNd5YNvTsnz5MkiCDsdf4oFa4KBs6LY91OyD_cwgHj8LBPKkpzXi5gXpdk8z_X5l7eez_FMSfDR6abDF-QRPUyHbG8DOH-glzbqiVB3eJRAKB9GjrhpdEREuDCZhdqMxru_kgyvSoFz3H13PqQ6BXpF4aibGLFdyG3_N4iH9Qy0hIaaAVPm-QRJvNVWKrVI87TZx4riaiKTzvgBbizRDIbmnP1FH4f0obKvNWAc5K1wjuQCKp-brBziKi07uvUTwDAgjIDbJBqWwJZEfGAi50rZGUEHeNoN&smid=em-share
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Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of reference? TY.

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Ah, and Minkowski's higher dimension appears to require Willem DeSitter to step 
in and re-normalize the view from such an observer. My thinking is, would this 
be some sort of tachyonic field in some kind of Lorentzian Manifold? You may 
know, but I cannot. 


-Original Message-
From: Lawrence Crowell 
To: Everything List 
Sent: Thu, Nov 17, 2022 6:57 am
Subject: Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of reference? 
TY.

What I outline is the idea of the Rindler wedge, or the spacetime according to 
an accelerated observer. The Unruh effect is a quantum field theoretic result 
on how quantum fields on either side of the induced particle horizon have no 
complete description according to the accelerated observer. As a result the 
Minkowski vacuum becomes vacuum plus a thermal distribution of bosons.
LC

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 8:41:49 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

Acceleration at the speed of (G)ravity is a bit unconfirmed, though widely, 
accepted by the physics community to be the same as that of photons through an 
absolute vacuum. Meanwhile, we can also address through relativity this 
question: What is the aggregate speed of T = time? At a cosmological black hole 
time stops. At just under the speed of a photon in absolute vacuum ,the speed 
of time also enters a null set at the observer pov. 
It is also possible through the miracle or quantum gravity that the observer 
moment splits into many histories (Hawking-Hartle). Thus, the Reference Frame 
is made flesh through Everett-DeWitt-Wheeler equations, as MWI flourishes, via 
frame dragging. 


-Original Message-
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Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2022 9:10 pm
Subject: Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of reference? 
TY.

Coordinate time variables dt = cosh(gs)ds and dx= sinh(gs)ds are such that dt^2 
- dx^2 = (cosh^2(gs) - sinh^2(gs))ds^2 = ds^2, and defines a flat space metric 
for special relativity. These coordinates define an accelerated frame with 
acceleration g.
LC

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 6:14:26 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

Can Ref Frames be addressed with General Relativity, also? Travel very fast, 
time slows down. Travel to a supermassive location, time slows down. The thing 
then is time, which Julian Barbour says it doesn't exist-which I understand. 
What exists is motion. Even motion at a quantum scale, like the bopping of 
electrons and photons. They move nonetheless, somebody in Italy, once said. 


-Original Message-
From: Lawrence Crowell 
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Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2022 7:05 pm
Subject: Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of reference? 
TY.

Accelerated frames can be addressed with special relativity.
LC

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 2:14:46 PM UTC-6 agrays...@gmail.com wrote:

EOM.
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Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of reference? TY.

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

My thinking is that recently, an astronomy team in Romania, and a submission to 
the American Physical Society yesterday, indicated the plausibility of 
traversable wormholes. Now, for me it seems exciting although I am not 
expecting anything so groovy as aliens emerging from 80K years ago and waving 
at us in their far future. 
Do remember that Lee Smolin also came up with this paper in 2021. 
Microsoft helped theoretical physicists explore the implications of our 
potentially autodidactic universe | Windows Central
More directly.[2104.03902v1] The Autodidactic Universe (arxiv.org)
If the phenomena is repeatable and its' not a statistical error, or something 
delusionary, then the Universe is vastly more complex that it seemed back when 
the original Standard Model was in it's prime. This paper indicates that the 
observations change. My thinking is, if it is not bad observations, or 
equipment error, then the sky is responding to what astronomers and physicists 
observe. So God may "respond" to the people who are best at observing it. It 
hearts these people who make precise and repeated measurements. This, of 
course, may be nuts, but it ain't Grandpa's Old-Time religion, now, is it???
Bumper Sticker:God (The big mind) follows the scienceThe Universe pets 
Schrodinger's Cat.The Universe is Wigner's Friend.

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Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thu, Nov 17, 2022 9:40 am
Subject: Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of reference? 
TY.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:25 PM  wrote:




> Setting aside relativity for the nonce, the workability of transversable 
> wormholes is getting more, better! 
https://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.106.104024

The trouble with the idea that a Black Hole is the mouth of a wormhole is that 
the other end of the wormhole should be a White Hole and nobody has ever 
detected one  unless the Big Bang was a White Hole. Physicist Lee Smolin 
talks about this in his book "The Life Of The Cosmos" where he introduces the 
idea of Cosmological Natural Selection. Smolin's concept is that when a star 
collapses into a Black Hole a Singularity does not form in its center, instead 
everything bounces back before infinite density is reached. You would not see 
this from the outside of the Black Hole but from the inside such a thing would 
look like a Big Bang, and a new universe would be formed. In that new universe 
the constants of physics, the 20 or so numbers that can't be derived and must 
be put in by hand by physicists to make their theories conform with 
observation, are similar to their parent universe but not identical, there 
would be some small random variation. Universes that have laws encouraging the 
formation of Black Holes will thus have more descendants than those that don't. 
All this sounds very much like Darwin's idea written on a cosmic scale because 
it has the 2 things that are needed, natural selection and inheritance 
(although some have questioned the inheritance part wondering if information 
can really cross the event horizon, even mutated information). Smolin does not 
predict that as a result of this Evolution the physical constants in our 
universe are perfect for the formation of Black Holes, but he does predict no 
small change in them will make more Black Holes.  And Black Holes need stars 
that go supernova, and those stars produce carbon and oxygen that also causes 
dust clouds to cool more and collapse into yet more large stars that go 
supernova and form more Black Holes. Those heavy elements also cause life to 
form, but as far as Cosmological Natural Selection is concerned that's just an 
unimportant byproduct.

But what about Primordial Black Holes, you don't need stars to make them. 
According to inflation theory the expansion of our universe started slow but 
then in just 10^-36 seconds space expanded by a factor of 10^78; during that 
time the universe grew by a larger percentage than it has from then to now 13.8 
billion years later. There is a number called the Size Density Constant, if it 
were much larger all the matter in the universe would form Black Holes almost 
immediately, but it turns out that then the universe would inflate for even 
less than 10^-36 seconds so there would be much less matter in it, so although 
all its matter would be in the form of Black Holes it would have fewer Black 
Holes than our universe does.

Smolin makes another prediction, this one is about Neutron Stars. Cosmological 
Natural Selection predicts that the maximum mass a Neutron Star can be is lower 
than previously thought and thus more Black Holes can be produced due to a 
particle called the Kaon. The conventional idea is that in a Neutron Star the 
pressure is so high electrons are forced into protons forming neutrons and 
that's the end of the story, and if that's true then the maximum mass of a 
Neutron star is somewhere between 2.5 and 2.9

Re: NYTimes.com: We Fact-Checked Trump’s Speech

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

John, and maybe this is just me, I believe or trust that most politicians like 
most of the time. The people who lie the most have been dem pols and their 
supporting propagandists.The deal with you is that you screen out what these 
folk claim. 
Remember words are often nothing to these people, because they're doing 
persuasion, not physics.
For an electrical engineer, you allow emotion to eclipse your intellect. Focus 
on policy and what you opposed on Trumpo and what you oppose or agree with on 
Joey. Policy is everything, and personality is for The Hollywood Reporter.  


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On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:11 PM Lawrence Crowell 
 wrote:


> You cannot take anything t'Rump says as real. Even words like "and" and "the" 
> are lies. 

All politicians lie from time to time but I have never heard a politician, or 
any human being for that matter, lie with the machine gun rapidity of Donald J 
Trump. And to me what is even more astounding is that most Trump zombies know 
this but they just don't care. 
 John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
vcx 
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Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of reference? TY.

[Jesse Mazer]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 9:41 AM John Clark  wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:25 PM  wrote:
>
>
>> *> Setting aside relativity for the nonce, the workability of
>> transversable wormholes is getting more,
>> better! https://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.106.104024
>> *
>
>
> The trouble with the idea that a Black Hole is the mouth of a wormhole is
> that the other end of the wormhole should be a White Hole and nobody has
> ever detected one
>

That paper is about traversable wormholes held open by exotic matter, which
probably could not form naturally (Kip Thorne talked in his paper about
what might be possible for an 'advanced civilization'), but the traversable
wormhole solution doesn't involve any event horizons, black hole or white
hole. The idea of a black hole containing a wormhole comes from the eternal
Schwarzschild black hole, but it's physically unrealistic because from the
perspective of external observers this type of black hole would exist
forever both in the past and future, whereas a physically realistic black
hole would form from collapsing matter, from what I understand the GR
solutions that have been found for dynamically formed black holes don't
involve wormholes. The Schwarszschild black hole contains both a black hole
interior region and a white hole interior region, though external observers
would be able to see *both* particles emerging from the white hole region
and particles falling in towards the black hole region, so from the outside
it doesn't look specifically like a black hole or a white hole (and there
are two distinct 'outside' regions, sometimes described as different
'universes' though they are all part of single connected spacetime). I
think the diagram of the eternal Schwarzschild black hole in
Kruskal-Szekeres coordinates is probably the most intuitive way to think
about the weirdness of this solution since the diagram makes light cones
look the same way they do in SR, there's a qualitative description of the
diagram at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruskal–Szekeres_coordinates#Qualitative_features_of_the_Kruskal–Szekeres_diagram

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Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of reference? TY.

[John Clark]

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:25 PM  wrote:


> *> Setting aside relativity for the nonce, the workability of
> transversable wormholes is getting more,
> better! https://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.106.104024
> *


The trouble with the idea that a Black Hole is the mouth of a wormhole is
that the other end of the wormhole should be a White Hole and nobody has
ever detected one  unless the Big Bang was a White Hole. Physicist Lee
Smolin talks about this in his book "The Life Of The Cosmos" where he
introduces the idea of Cosmological Natural Selection. Smolin's concept is
that when a star collapses into a Black Hole a Singularity does not form in
its center, instead everything bounces back before infinite density is
reached. You would not see this from the outside of the Black Hole but from
the inside such a thing would look like a Big Bang, and a new universe
would be formed. In that new universe the constants of physics, the 20 or
so numbers that can't be derived and must be put in by hand by physicists
to make their theories conform with observation, are similar to their
parent universe but not identical, there would be some small random
variation. Universes that have laws encouraging the formation of Black
Holes will thus have more descendants than those that don't.

All this sounds very much like Darwin's idea written on a cosmic scale
because it has the 2 things that are needed, natural selection and
inheritance (although some have questioned the inheritance part wondering
if information can really cross the event horizon, even mutated
information). Smolin does not predict that as a result of this Evolution
the physical constants in our universe are perfect for the formation of
Black Holes, but he does predict no small change in them will make more
Black Holes.  And Black Holes need stars that go supernova, and those stars
produce carbon and oxygen that also causes dust clouds to cool more and
collapse into yet more large stars that go supernova and form more Black
Holes. Those heavy elements also cause life to form, but as far as
Cosmological Natural Selection is concerned that's just an unimportant
byproduct.

But what about Primordial Black Holes, you don't need stars to make them.
According to inflation theory the expansion of our universe started slow
but then in just 10^-36 seconds space expanded by a factor of 10^78; during
that time the universe grew by a larger percentage than it has from then to
now 13.8 billion years later. There is a number called the Size Density
Constant, if it were much larger all the matter in the universe would form
Black Holes almost immediately, but it turns out that then the universe
would inflate for even less than 10^-36 seconds so there would be much less
matter in it, so although all its matter would be in the form of Black
Holes it would have fewer Black Holes than our universe does.

Smolin makes another prediction, this one is about Neutron Stars.
Cosmological Natural Selection predicts that the maximum mass a Neutron
Star can be is lower than previously thought and thus more Black Holes can
be produced due to a particle called the Kaon. The conventional idea is
that in a Neutron Star the pressure is so high electrons are forced into
protons forming neutrons and that's the end of the story, and if that's
true then the maximum mass of a Neutron star is somewhere between 2.5 and
2.9 solar masses.But that's without considering Kaons, Smolin found that
theory says some interesting things happens to them when the pressure gets
very high.

Normally Kaons are much more massive than electrons and thus unstable, but
under ultra high pressure suddenly the individual wave function of the
particles will merge, much like what happens to electrons in
superconductors, and their effective mass should be reduced by a lot,
perhaps even to less than that of an electron.  If that actually happens
then things would be reversed and electrons would become unstable and decay
into Kaons (and Neutrinos which fly out of the star and play no further
part in the story). In this scenario the upper mass limit for a neutron
star is between 1.6 and 2 solar masses. If it were greater than that a
Black Hole would form because the Kaon-Proton-Neutron soup at the center
would be even more dense than degenerate neutron matter, so the Neutron
Star would be smaller and its surface gravity greater, and thus a Black
Hole can be formed with less mass.

But would the effective mass of the Kaon really become less than that of
the electron? Nobody knows for sure but we do know that the mass of the
Kaon depends on the mass of the Strange Quark, and the Strange Quark has
little involvement with everyday matter in our everyday world, so in a
universe that had a Strange Quark with a mass very different from our own
things would be pretty much the same as they are here except the maximum
size of a Neutron Star and thus the

Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of reference? TY.

[Alan Grayson]

Jessem: I was wondering if the LT can be used to determine how the laws of 
physics change between two accelerating frames, accelerating at the same 
rate but moving in opposite directions. AG

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 7:58:31 AM UTC-7 jessem wrote:

> That doesn't address my specific question about whether you define the 
> "predictions of SR" in terms of the same specific equations that work in 
> inertial frames, like the time dilation equation delta-tau = delta-t * 
> sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2), or whether you would define the predictions of SR in 
> terms of new equations for the non-inertial frame (which could be obtained 
> by applying a coordinate transformation that maps the coordinates of an 
> inertial frame to those of the non-inertial frame).
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 5:18 AM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>
>> And when I used the word "true", I just meant that no observations exist 
>> which contradict the predictions of SR. AG
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:09:25 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I just mean, if both frames are accelerating at the same rate, will the 
>>> v in the LT, be the instantaneous relative velocity? AG
>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:05:42 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>>
 Specifically, will the time dilation of a clock in an accelerating 
 frame, be the same as a clock as measured for a clock in a the observer's 
 accelerating frame, where v in the LT is the instantaneous velocity of the 
 clock in the observer's frame at every time t in the observer's frame? 
>>>
>>>

 On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:54:06 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote:

> By "valid", I mean "true". IOW, is SR limited to non-accelerating 
> frames? If the frames are accelerating, will the LT still hold for 
> relating 
> the laws of physics between those frames? AG
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 9:58:27 PM UTC-7 jessem wrote:
>
>> It depends what you mean by "valid". Certainly all the physical laws 
>> of relativity such as time dilation can be expressed in a non-inertial 
>> coordinate system, like Rindler coordinates. But the equations 
>> expressing 
>> these laws will not be the same in non-inertial coordinate systems, for 
>> example you can no longer assume that a clock moving at constant 
>> coordinate 
>> velocity for a coordinate time interval of delta-t will elapse a proper 
>> time of delta-tau = delta-t * sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2).
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 9:50 PM Alan Grayson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wormholes have nothing to do with my question. Please answer the 
>>> question defining this thread. TY.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 1:00:50 PM UTC-7 meeke...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A stable wormhole requires threading by negative energy density.  
 Since no such negative energy field is know and it's existence would 
 imperil the stability of matter, its existence seems highly unlikely.

 Brent


 On 11/15/2022 11:17 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

 Me: Forget acronyms, or even Einstein's gravitic  Reference Frame 
 dragging (His movie reel analogy), Instead ask yourselves are these 
 physicists correct in proposing that some black holes are wormholes? 

 Objects We Thought Were Black Holes May Actually Be Wormholes, 
 Scientists Say (futurism.com) 
 

 For this science fiction boy, I say interesting and maybe, hopeful? 
 Let the hard science Bohr flavor of quantum mechanics and relativity 
 yield 
 for in objection, how this is fictional, improbable, and crapola?  For 
 reference frames, I know Einstein locked this in with time, which he 
 discussed with Michele Besso (remember the letter to Beso's family?) 
 but 
 otherwise, how valuable to astronomers and physicists is ref frame 
 dragging 
 and all that? Does it predict do you think?

 The validity of a science is its ability to predict-Vanevar Bush.


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 To: Everything List 
 Sent: Tue, Nov 15, 2022 1:30 pm
 Subject: Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of 
 reference? TY.

 RA.

 On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:19:02 AM UTC-7 
 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 6:38 AM Alan Grayson  
 wrote: 


 *> IHA = ?*


 I Hate Acronyms. 

 John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
 
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Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of reference? TY.

[Alan Grayson]

LC: If we have two accelerating frames accelerating at the same rate but in 
opposite directions, do the Laws of Physics transform according to the LT 
where v in the LT is now the instantaneous relative velocity of the frames 
at every time t? AG

JC: take notice. These are the TWO frames I was referring to previously. 
Also, in answering the question posed in this thread, I don't think it 
matters if the acceleration is produced by a force or by gravity. This is 
what I conclude from Brent's diagram. Do you agree? AG

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:05:32 PM UTC-7 Lawrence Crowell wrote:

> Accelerated frames can be addressed with special relativity.
>
> LC
>
> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 2:14:46 PM UTC-6 agrays...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> EOM.
>
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Re: NYTimes.com: We Fact-Checked Trump’s Speech

[Lawrence Crowell]

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 5:22:44 AM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:11 PM Lawrence Crowell  
> wrote:
>
> > *You cannot take anything t'Rump says as real. Even words like "and" 
>> and "the" are lies. *
>
>
> All politicians lie from time to time but I have never heard a politician, 
> or any human being for that matter, lie with the machine gun rapidity of 
> Donald J Trump. And to me what is even more astounding is that most Trump 
> zombies know this but they just don't care. 
>
>  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> 
>

It is amazing. However, t'Rump had a hell of a booze party going, but now 
all these right-wingers have to get sober. I suspect there will be a loss 
of followers over time. Don-the-Con t'Rump is probably used up.

LC

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Re: NYTimes.com: We Fact-Checked Trump’s Speech

[Lawrence Crowell]

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:50:41 AM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

> You don't need to take Don's word on anything. But you'll have to take 
> your fellow progressives WaPo (owned by Bezos) when, after the recent 
> election, the FBI says no money motive in the documents. Like there is 
> dealings with Hunter taking cash from China and Russia, but for the Don 
> protecting himself from getting caught..no! 
>
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/14/trump-motive-mar-a-lago-documents/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
>
>
> The Times finally admits Hunter Biden's laptop is real (nypost.com) 
> 
>
> So, if Don can't win, he's no damn good to me. I know a guy who could but 
> that's for later. 
>
>
>
Amazing how conservatives continue to make an issue of Hunter's laptop and 
Hillary's emails, while seem to excuse t'Rump's incitement of the overthrow 
of an elected government.

LC
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence Crowell 
> To: Everything List 
> Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2022 7:11 pm
> Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: We Fact-Checked Trump’s Speech
>
> You cannot take anything t'Rump says as real. Even words like "and" and 
> "the" are lies.  
>
> LC
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 4:55:15 AM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, 
> you can read it through this gift link without a subscription.
>
> We Fact-Checked Trump’s Speech
>
> Former President Donald J. Trump made a number of claims about his 
> policies and President Biden’s record. We checked them for accuracy.
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/us/trump-speech-fact-check.html?unlocked_article_code=hvvjMLs5DcFQUdgUvHItqjYjUBtGZhboSyFm-Fe2PsqcHd0vmyNd5YNvTsnz5MkiCDsdf4oFa4KBs6LY91OyD_cwgHj8LBPKkpzXi5gXpdk8z_X5l7eez_FMSfDR6abDF-QRPUyHbG8DOH-glzbqiVB3eJRAKB9GjrhpdEREuDCZhdqMxru_kgyvSoFz3H13PqQ6BXpF4aibGLFdyG3_N4iH9Qy0hIaaAVPm-QRJvNVWKrVI87TZx4riaiKTzvgBbizRDIbmnP1FH4f0obKvNWAc5K1wjuQCKp-brBziKi07uvUTwDAgjIDbJBqWwJZEfGAi50rZGUEHeNoN&smid=em-share
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Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of reference? TY.

[Lawrence Crowell]

What I outline is the idea of the Rindler wedge, or the spacetime according 
to an accelerated observer. The Unruh effect is a quantum field theoretic 
result on how quantum fields on either side of the induced particle horizon 
have no complete description according to the accelerated observer. As a 
result the Minkowski vacuum becomes vacuum plus a thermal distribution of 
bosons.

LC

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 8:41:49 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

> Acceleration at the speed of (G)ravity is a bit unconfirmed, though 
> widely, accepted by the physics community to be the same as that of photons 
> through an absolute vacuum. Meanwhile, we can also address through 
> relativity this question: What is the aggregate speed of T = time? At a 
> cosmological black hole time stops. At just under the speed of a photon in 
> absolute vacuum ,the speed of time also enters a null set at the observer 
> pov.  
>
> It is also possible through the miracle or quantum gravity that the 
> observer moment splits into many histories (Hawking-Hartle). 
> Thus, the Reference Frame is made flesh through Everett-DeWitt-Wheeler 
> equations, as MWI flourishes, via frame dragging. 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence Crowell 
> To: Everything List 
> Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2022 9:10 pm
> Subject: Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of 
> reference? TY.
>
> Coordinate time variables dt = cosh(gs)ds and dx= sinh(gs)ds are such that 
> dt^2 - dx^2 =  (cosh^2(gs) - sinh^2(gs))ds^2 = ds^2, and defines a flat 
> space metric for special relativity. These coordinates define an 
> accelerated frame with acceleration g. 
>
> LC
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 6:14:26 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com 
> wrote:
>
> Can Ref Frames be addressed with General Relativity, also? Travel very 
> fast, time slows down. Travel to a supermassive location, time slows down. 
> The thing then is time, which Julian Barbour says it doesn't exist-which I 
> understand. What exists is motion. Even motion at a quantum scale, like the 
> bopping of electrons and photons. They move nonetheless, somebody in Italy, 
> once said. 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence Crowell 
> To: Everything List 
> Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2022 7:05 pm
> Subject: Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of 
> reference? TY.
>
> Accelerated frames can be addressed with special relativity. 
>
> LC
>
> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 2:14:46 PM UTC-6 agrays...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> EOM.
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Re: NYTimes.com: We Fact-Checked Trump’s Speech

[John Clark]

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:11 PM Lawrence Crowell <
goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *You cannot take anything t'Rump says as real. Even words like "and" and
> "the" are lies. *


All politicians lie from time to time but I have never heard a politician,
or any human being for that matter, lie with the machine gun rapidity of
Donald J Trump. And to me what is even more astounding is that most Trump
zombies know this but they just don't care.

 John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: NYTimes.com: We Fact-Checked Trump’s Speech

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

You don't need to take Don's word on anything. But you'll have to take your 
fellow progressives WaPo (owned by Bezos) when, after the recent election, the 
FBI says no money motive in the documents. Like there is dealings with Hunter 
taking cash from China and Russia, but for the Don protecting himself from 
getting caught..no!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/14/trump-motive-mar-a-lago-documents/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

The Times finally admits Hunter Biden's laptop is real (nypost.com)
So, if Don can't win, he's no damn good to me. I know a guy who could but 
that's for later. 


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To: Everything List 
Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2022 7:11 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: We Fact-Checked Trump’s Speech

You cannot take anything t'Rump says as real. Even words like "and" and "the" 
are lies. 
LC

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 4:55:15 AM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, you 
can read it through this gift link without a subscription.

We Fact-Checked Trump’s Speech

Former President Donald J. Trump made a number of claims about his policies and 
President Biden’s record. We checked them for accuracy.

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