RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Oh for f**ks sake get over this. At the end of the day we are *only* IT Professionals providing a service. We're not that important in the bigger picture. Sure, some will abuse their position and that's a not too nice part of human nature - greed and nepotism. Full stop. It happens all the time in business and in ALL society. If you really have a problem with 'ethics' then direct it towards bigger fish like the fact the White House administration (amongst many other 'democratic' administrations) awards the billion dollar contracts to their buddies. Now that would make an interesting read. And don't get me started on your definition of money intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com) _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
GD wrote: Accepting direct gifts from third parties, especially significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles, presents a real or perceived conflict of interest between an IT professional's client (either the customer or company that he or she works for) and that third party. Well I can't entirely knock the 'perceived' CoI because you certainly perceive it and I'm sure you are not alone so I'll have to leave that aside. Obviously there are serious CoI's that might arise from taking 'gifts' in all sort of situations and noone is disputing that. This is not to say they anyone agrees the MVP programme falls on this side of the divide. There are awards in other professional fields that I see as clearly analogous with the MVP awards - particularly awards given to sportsmen. (In fact in the USA don't sportsmen receive MVP awards of another sort?) In cricket, for example, the BBC commentary programme Test Match Special gives an award at every match called the Champagne Moment. This is given to the player who provides a moment of entertainment that the commentary team feel would have particularly pleased one of their former members, now sadly deceased. This award is not necessarily given for _good_ play, sometimes quite the opposite. Furthermore the 'title' is accompanied by a sizeable quantity of good quality Champagne. Is there a conflict of interests here? Would a player ever deliberately clown around to the detriment of his team? No, there isn't and he wouldn't. Zinedine Zidane has just won what is probably the most prestigious award of this sort in sport - World Footballer of the Year. There was nothing he could do to gain this award other than impressing the diverse judges with his performance in his job. There is nothing he can do to retain it save _continue_ to perform well. However the award is worth more in terms of prestige and cold hard cash opportunities than any of us is ever likely to amass in our lifetime. Is Zidane's professionalism in question? Do Real Madrid (his main employers) perceive a conflict of interests? I wouldn't have thought so. The far less glamorous and lucrative Microsoft MVP award is broadly similar. It has no set criteria that one can work towards but is given for excellent performance and there is no obvious way to retain the award. We're talking about a player-of-the-season award and nothing more. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
player-of-the-season award Nice analogy This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete the email. intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com) _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OWA 5.5
Yea - we're single domain, two sites, and it works well -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA 5.5 Very true. The problem with this usually comes because of separate domains with trust issues. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA 5.5 I have one for our two sites here - there's no additional configuration necessary - as long as the OWA box has connectivity to all sites. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Bourque Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OWA 5.5 I read somewhere that it was possible to use one IIS server to front multiple Exchange 5.5 servers, member of different Exchange sites. Is it true? If yes, can you point me in the right direction on how to implement this? Thank you. Daniel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K
Even in a mixed environment? He's got a 5.5 box there still -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Still, in Exchange 2000 you're probably just as well off with SMTP. You might try both and see which works best for you. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Davinder Gupta Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Link speed/latency limitations. Davinder -Original Message- From: Bowles, John (OIG/OMP) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Yes, but what reasoning would you have for just using an X.400 connector? Because it has a lot of limitations that's why I ask. _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Davinder Gupta Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Hi Guys, Can an Exchange 5.5 connector (x.400) in one exchange site talk to another connector (x.400) connector in Exchange 2K? Thanks Davinder _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Diskeeper and Exchange
I can fix that for you Tony. Glad to see you survived Orlando. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Anthony Sollars [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Diskeeper and Exchange We run it just fine here on our exchange 5.5 2003 without incident. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lori Sagert Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Diskeeper and Exchange Hello All: I would like to know if anyone has had bad/good experiences with Diskeeper running on Exchange 5.5? I do not want to implement it on our Exchange servers but Mgmt is pushing the issue. I would like to go to the meeting with some ammunition why it shouldn't be implemented. Apparently my word isn't enough...;) It might help if I can give them some concrete proof from other Exchange Admins. Any stories out there? TIA Lori _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Dude, STFU. --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I will state this again for the 11 millionth and 1 time now. Accepting direct gifts from third parties, especially significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles, presents a real or perceived conflict of interest between an IT professional's client (either the customer or company that he or she works for) and that third party. This is the most very basic definition of conflict of interest. One cannot serve two masters. If you have been given something, and ESPECIALLY if it is something significant that can be taken away, then it presents a conflict of interest. This, from an ethical, perspective is wrong. This is the logic and the conclusion. It is as simple as that. It is not only what I believe but WHY I believe it. If someone can prove to me that this argument is illogical or flawed in some way, then I would believe something else. I am not close-minded or stubborn. Thus far, nobody has proven this argument to be flawed in any way. A lot of personal attacks, I have been called a wife beater, a liar and someone who starves children, but no one has refuted this most basic argument. I have never wavered from this argument, this has been the argument since the beginning that this all started. This is why companies tell their employees that they must send back gifts in excess of a certain dollar amount. This is BASIC ETHICS. Regardless of whether MCSE is unethical or whatever crazy argument you want to throw at it, this is basic ethics people. If you want to change my mind, then prove the above argument false. Simple as that. Now, I don't bring this stuff up. All it causes is this kind of craziness. Other people bring this stuff up. Exactly why is a mystery to me. Look at the subject of this message thread for Christ's sake. Are you kidding me? And it is not like I even threw in one of my whimsical Microsoft barbs. If someone is going to bring this stuff up, I am always, ALWAYS going to stick to this perspective and explain things the way I see them. Nobody has proven this logic wrong in 8 years. But, hey, I'm willing to think that someone might. There may be a flaw in there somewhere, that I do not see. And all this nonsense about tone and stating things as my opinion is all crap, a waste of bytes and besides the point. People read what they want to read in my posts, plain and simple. What is straight talk to one person is rude to another. What is polite to one is rambling, annoying and pointless to another. There are way too many people in this world to try to please so I speak in my own voice. It is a matter of fact voice that sticks to known facts and logic. If you are offended by my posts, well, there is not much I can do. I am not going to worry over every word and sentence for perfect structure and politeness. I simply do not have the time. First of all, from a grammatical point-of-view, you only need to state that it is your opinion at the beginning of a paragraph or passage because it is fundamentally understood that follows the first phrase or sentence further backs up your opinion. It is my opinion that you are more worried about reveling in your moral and symantec righteousness than achieving the mental clarity to realize that your 1200 word marathon responses make you look like a total prat. But that is just my opinion. Disagreement is a necessary part of life and the human condition. If we all got along, we'd all think the same way and life would get very dull. You can disagree with someone (even with Ed) without saying they are wrong. This is the difference between stating a fact vs. opinion. By saying that someone is wrong, you are implying that you are correct and your reasons are based upon fact or accepted truth. Allrightythen! I guess this means that we aren't due to bring this topic up until June. Thanks for the comic relief, Greg! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 In my opinion, there are those with the opinion that stating anything as a fact and not an opinion is abrasive and rude. In my opinion, this opinion is absurd because it is fundamentally understood that anything that comes out of anyone's mouth is simply an opinion and not a fact. In my opinion, there may be some people with the opinion that people should not go around stating their opinions. But,
Test Recovery Scenario
Before I am chided for my lack of testing an Exchange recovery scenario (I hope the exchange gods don't curse me with a crash for writing this ...) ... anyway chide away ... here goes ... Infrastructure: Windows 2000/sp4 Forest (non-native mode); 7 domains; users in 4 of the domains; 5000 users (don't ask why .. not my decision ...) 2 Exchange 2000/sp3 back end servers; 2 front end servers; all are member servers in one of the domains (a domain that does not have any users in it ...) Problem: How would you all set up a test lab to do test recoveries of my Exchange backups? Thanks in advance Mike _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Automating email via Exchange
Hello all. I need help with automating an email to 140 users on our Exchange system. The email contains a generic message for all, and then some personal information like user name and password. Is there a good way to automate this with Exchange/Outlook? (By automate I mean, send an individual email to each user with the generic message and then insert their personal info.) Or do I need to go get a third party utility to do this? Thanks for any help you can provide. Damian Scoles Senior Technical Analyst MCSE, CCNP, CNA, A+ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Test Recovery Scenario
Do you have enough spare equipment to setup a test lab? If so, testing should be pretty straightforward. I keep enough spare high-end desktop machines around that I can mimic my servers to test backup strategies. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Wohlgemuth, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Test Recovery Scenario Before I am chided for my lack of testing an Exchange recovery scenario (I hope the exchange gods don't curse me with a crash for writing this ...) ... anyway chide away ... here goes ... Infrastructure: Windows 2000/sp4 Forest (non-native mode); 7 domains; users in 4 of the domains; 5000 users (don't ask why .. not my decision ...) 2 Exchange 2000/sp3 back end servers; 2 front end servers; all are member servers in one of the domains (a domain that does not have any users in it ...) Problem: How would you all set up a test lab to do test recoveries of my Exchange backups? Thanks in advance Mike _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Diskeeper and Exchange
Hey all; Lori: I run RAXCO's PerfectDisk on my servers, mostly cause it has the capability of running ESEUTIL from a GUI, which is easier to explain to some people rather than a command line. But I digress. Unless you are doing a lot of purging and expanding of your Message database, then once you have a steady state size, and have it physically defragmented, you won't have much need of a disk defragmenter, at least not for the Exchange message database. Defragmenting the transaction log drive is useless, as these files are written and purged on a daily basis. However, if you are building a server, or moving a lot of users and/or data into a current MDB so that it grows beyond it's internal whitespace you will need to at least analyze the disk for fragmentation. Also, should you run ESEUTIL /D, you will need to analyze the disk again since ESEUTIL /D essentially rebuilds your EDB file, and should you not have a large enough contiguous block of empty disk space, the new EDB file will end up fragmented once again. To bottom line it for you, defragmenting an Exchange database drive is a one time thing, unless you A. Expand the EDB file, or B. Run ESEUTIL /D which gives you a new EDB file, which MAY need to be defragmented. You do not need to run a disk defragmentation utility on a daily basis. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Lori Sagert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:57 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Diskeeper and Exchange Subject: Diskeeper and Exchange Hello All: I would like to know if anyone has had bad/good experiences with Diskeeper running on Exchange 5.5? I do not want to implement it on our Exchange servers but Mgmt is pushing the issue. I would like to go to the meeting with some ammunition why it shouldn't be implemented. Apparently my word isn't enough...;) It might help if I can give them some concrete proof from other Exchange Admins. Any stories out there? TIA Lori _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Test Recovery Scenario
yeah ... that is one thing we were thinking of .. another is setting up a big beefy box with VMWare ... I was looking for other options ... one I found was http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811063 Thanks Mike -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Test Recovery Scenario Do you have enough spare equipment to setup a test lab? If so, testing should be pretty straightforward. I keep enough spare high-end desktop machines around that I can mimic my servers to test backup strategies. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Wohlgemuth, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Test Recovery Scenario Before I am chided for my lack of testing an Exchange recovery scenario (I hope the exchange gods don't curse me with a crash for writing this ...) ... anyway chide away ... here goes ... Infrastructure: Windows 2000/sp4 Forest (non-native mode); 7 domains; users in 4 of the domains; 5000 users (don't ask why .. not my decision ...) 2 Exchange 2000/sp3 back end servers; 2 front end servers; all are member servers in one of the domains (a domain that does not have any users in it ...) Problem: How would you all set up a test lab to do test recoveries of my Exchange backups? Thanks in advance Mike _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automating email via Exchange
You could probably do it in an Outlook form or whatever the current Outlook development flavor is from Microsoft. It changes too often to really keep track. You could also do it with API calls to AD and CDO. However, the easiest way may be to just export your users to a CSV file or an Access database and use Microsoft Word to perform a mail merge. I have used this successfully in the past and while a little kludgy, it saves you from writing code. Hello all. I need help with automating an email to 140 users on our Exchange system. The email contains a generic message for all, and then some personal information like user name and password. Is there a good way to automate this with Exchange/Outlook? (By automate I mean, send an individual email to each user with the generic message and then insert their personal info.) Or do I need to go get a third party utility to do this? Thanks for any help you can provide. Damian Scoles Senior Technical Analyst MCSE, CCNP, CNA, A+ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Diskeeper and Exchange
Thanks all for your input. We've agreed to run Diskeeper on some remote servers that are running File and Print but exclude the Exchsrvr directories. I won the biggest battle of keeping it off the Veritas Exchange clusters. Yeah! (I know, friends don't let friends cluster Exchange... I had no choice;)That's a whole other story. Thanks again! Lori -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Matteson Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Diskeeper and Exchange Hey all; Lori: I run RAXCO's PerfectDisk on my servers, mostly cause it has the capability of running ESEUTIL from a GUI, which is easier to explain to some people rather than a command line. But I digress. Unless you are doing a lot of purging and expanding of your Message database, then once you have a steady state size, and have it physically defragmented, you won't have much need of a disk defragmenter, at least not for the Exchange message database. Defragmenting the transaction log drive is useless, as these files are written and purged on a daily basis. However, if you are building a server, or moving a lot of users and/or data into a current MDB so that it grows beyond it's internal whitespace you will need to at least analyze the disk for fragmentation. Also, should you run ESEUTIL /D, you will need to analyze the disk again since ESEUTIL /D essentially rebuilds your EDB file, and should you not have a large enough contiguous block of empty disk space, the new EDB file will end up fragmented once again. To bottom line it for you, defragmenting an Exchange database drive is a one time thing, unless you A. Expand the EDB file, or B. Run ESEUTIL /D which gives you a new EDB file, which MAY need to be defragmented. You do not need to run a disk defragmentation utility on a daily basis. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: Lori Sagert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:57 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Diskeeper and Exchange Subject: Diskeeper and Exchange Hello All: I would like to know if anyone has had bad/good experiences with Diskeeper running on Exchange 5.5? I do not want to implement it on our Exchange servers but Mgmt is pushing the issue. I would like to go to the meeting with some ammunition why it shouldn't be implemented. Apparently my word isn't enough...;) It might help if I can give them some concrete proof from other Exchange Admins. Any stories out there? TIA Lori _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express my opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft disagree with me. Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even more forthcoming. Please demonstrate exactly what the conflict of interest is and its insidious result, Mr. Deckler. How, exactly, has the MVP program caused such an ethical dilemma that you must rant and rave over it? Let's get specific, though, because your 50,000-foot view is rather unconvincing. For the record, my employer knows I am an MVP, knows that I receive a modest gift of appreciation, and has no problem with this. So my employer, which happens to be a very ethical company, has no problem with this arrangement. Why should you? It is mighty judgmental of you to presume that any person is unprofessional solely because he does not adhere to your personal standards of ethics. Your opinion implies that because you define there to be a conflict of interest, no reasonable person can decide for himself to the contrary. That is, you see yourself as the sole arbiter of professional ethics in this field. Clearly you believe that MVPs are unprofessional because they do not adhere to your standards of ethics, even if those standards are undefined and based solely upon your own simplistic idea of standards, your own ignorance, your logical fallacies, and your personal prejudices. As long as you espouse such ridiculous ideas, I will call you on them. You've been spewing this bile for eight years and you know you're right because, to paraphrase, nobody has proven you wrong. The real problem is that you haven't convinced anyone other than yourself that you're right. You are the one with the opinions. But wait--you say you deal in facts. In an eariler post, you state that it should be obvious that everything you say is your opinion. Which is it, fact or opinion? Well, I will argue that you don't deal in facts, you're all about opinion, so don't go claiming it's all about known facts. There isn't a single fact in your diatribe except for those that say or imply, I believe I do agree that it's a fact that you believe some ridiculous point. People do read what you say in your posts, as opposed to reading what they read. Everyone recognizes that you are speaking with your own voice. It's obvious to all that you really believe what you say and have a firm conviction. That's how they know for certain that you're a bag of gas. As to this thread being a waste of bytes, it has been your choice to continue it. It seems hypocritical that you post a complaint that everyone else is wasting their time and bandwidth, when you
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express my opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft disagree with me. Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even more forthcoming. Please demonstrate exactly what the conflict of interest is and its insidious result, Mr. Deckler. How, exactly, has the MVP program caused such an ethical dilemma that you must rant and rave over it? Let's get specific, though, because your 50,000-foot view is rather unconvincing. For the record, my employer knows I am an MVP, knows that I receive a modest gift of appreciation, and has no problem with this. So my employer, which happens to be a very ethical company, has no problem with this arrangement. Why should you? It is mighty judgmental of you to presume that any person is unprofessional solely because he does not adhere to your personal standards of ethics. Your opinion implies that because you define there to be a conflict of interest, no reasonable person can decide for himself to the contrary. That is, you see yourself as the sole arbiter of professional ethics in this field. Clearly you believe that MVPs are unprofessional because they do not adhere to your standards of ethics, even if those standards are undefined and based solely upon your own simplistic idea of standards, your own ignorance, your logical fallacies, and your personal prejudices. As long as you espouse such ridiculous ideas, I will call you on them. You've been spewing this bile for eight years and you know you're right because, to paraphrase, nobody has proven you wrong. The real problem is that you haven't convinced anyone other than yourself that you're right. You are the one with the opinions. But wait--you say you deal in facts. In an eariler post, you state that it should be obvious that everything you say is your opinion. Which is it, fact or opinion? Well, I will argue that you don't deal in facts, you're all about opinion, so don't go claiming it's all about known facts. There isn't a single fact in your diatribe except for those that say or imply, I believe I do agree that it's a fact that you believe some ridiculous point. People do read what you say in your posts, as opposed to reading what they read. Everyone recognizes that
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express my opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft disagree with me. Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even more forthcoming. Please demonstrate exactly what the conflict of interest is and its insidious result, Mr. Deckler. How, exactly, has the MVP program caused such an ethical dilemma that you must rant and rave over it? Let's get specific, though, because your 50,000-foot view is rather unconvincing. For the record, my employer knows I am an MVP, knows that I receive a modest gift of appreciation, and has no problem with this. So my employer, which happens to be a very ethical company, has no problem with this arrangement. Why should you? It is mighty judgmental of you to presume that any person is unprofessional solely because he does not adhere to your personal standards of ethics. Your opinion implies that because you define there to be a conflict of interest, no reasonable person can decide for himself to the contrary. That is, you see yourself as the sole arbiter of professional ethics in this field. Clearly you believe that MVPs are unprofessional because they do not adhere to your standards of ethics, even if those standards are undefined and based solely upon your own simplistic idea of standards, your own ignorance, your logical fallacies, and your personal prejudices. As long as you espouse such ridiculous ideas, I will call you on them. You've been spewing this bile for eight years and you know you're right because, to paraphrase, nobody has proven you wrong. The real problem is that you haven't convinced anyone other than yourself that you're right. You are the one with the opinions. But wait--you say you deal in facts. In an eariler post, you state that it should be obvious that everything you say is your opinion. Which is it, fact or opinion? Well, I will argue that you don't deal in facts, you're all
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express my opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft disagree with me. Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even more forthcoming. Please demonstrate exactly what the conflict of interest is and its insidious result, Mr. Deckler. How, exactly, has the MVP program caused such an ethical dilemma that you must rant and rave over it? Let's get specific, though, because your 50,000-foot view is rather unconvincing. For the record, my employer knows I am an MVP, knows that I receive a modest gift of appreciation, and has no problem with this. So my employer, which happens to be a very ethical company, has no problem with this arrangement. Why should you? It is mighty judgmental of you to presume that any person is unprofessional solely because he does not adhere to your personal standards of ethics. Your opinion implies that because you define there to be a
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your criticism. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism, have nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake of arguing. So, that being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy? Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express my opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft disagree with me. Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even more forthcoming. Please demonstrate
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Dude, STFU. --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express my opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft disagree with me. Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even more forthcoming. Please demonstrate exactly what the conflict of interest is and its insidious result, Mr. Deckler. How, exactly, has the MVP program caused such an ethical dilemma that you must rant and rave over it? Let's get specific, though, because your 50,000-foot view is rather unconvincing. For the record, my employer knows I am an MVP, knows that I receive a modest gift of appreciation, and has no problem with this. So my employer, which happens to be a very ethical company, has no problem with this arrangement. Why should you? It is mighty judgmental of you to presume that any person is unprofessional solely because he does not adhere to your personal standards of ethics. Your opinion implies that because you define there to be a conflict of interest, no reasonable person can decide for himself to the contrary. That is, you see yourself as the sole arbiter of professional ethics in this field. Clearly you believe that MVPs are unprofessional because they do not adhere to your standards of ethics, even if those standards are undefined and based solely upon your own simplistic idea of standards, your own ignorance, your logical fallacies, and your personal prejudices. As long as you espouse such ridiculous ideas, I will call you on them. You've been spewing this bile for eight years and you know you're right because, to paraphrase, nobody has proven you wrong. The real problem is that you haven't convinced anyone other than yourself that you're right. You are the one with the opinions. But wait--you say you deal in facts. In an eariler post, you state that it should be obvious that everything you say is your opinion. Which is it, fact or opinion? Well, I will argue that you don't deal in facts, you're all about opinion, so don't go claiming it's all about known facts. There isn't a single fact in your diatribe except for those that say or imply, I believe I do agree that it's a fact that you believe some ridiculous point. People do read what you say in your posts, as opposed to reading what they
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
This is the BEST group, ever. I don't have to watch the soaps. All I've got to do is read this list! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your criticism. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism, have nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake of arguing. So, that being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy? Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Goes double from me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Hanna Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Dude, STFU. --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express my opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft disagree with me. Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even more forthcoming. Please demonstrate exactly what the conflict of interest is and its insidious result, Mr. Deckler. How, exactly, has the MVP program caused such an ethical dilemma that you must rant and rave over it? Let's get specific, though, because your 50,000-foot view is rather unconvincing. For the record, my employer knows I am an MVP, knows that I receive a modest gift of appreciation, and has no problem with this. So my employer, which happens to be a very ethical company, has no problem with this arrangement. Why should you? It is mighty judgmental of you to presume that any person is unprofessional solely because he does not adhere to your personal standards of ethics. Your opinion implies that because you define there to be a conflict of interest, no reasonable person can decide for himself to the contrary. That is, you see yourself as the sole arbiter of professional ethics in this field. Clearly you believe that MVPs are unprofessional because they do not adhere to your standards of ethics, even if those standards are undefined and based solely upon your own simplistic idea of standards, your own ignorance, your logical fallacies, and your personal prejudices. As long as you espouse such ridiculous ideas, I will call you on them. You've been spewing this bile for eight years and you know you're right because, to paraphrase, nobody has proven you wrong. The real problem is that you haven't convinced anyone other than yourself that you're right. You are the one with the opinions. But wait--you say you deal in facts. In an eariler post, you state that it should be obvious that everything you say is your opinion. Which is it, fact or opinion? Well, I will argue that you don't deal in facts, you're all about opinion, so don't go claiming it's all about known facts. There isn't a single fact in your diatribe except for those that
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
A personal attack from me goes so much deeper, but I'll leave that be. On to bigger and brighter things!!! And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. Oh really! This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Now we're getting somewhere!!! Tell me Greg, are YOU the spokesman for the IT industry? Does the IT industry have party affiliations? Are Ed and the rest of the MVP's the Liberal's in this case where you're the Conservative? Who voted you to be the spokesman for the IT industry and why didn't I/we get to vote? Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism,...(bunch of other shinola) Not educated on Ethics? Oh, I'm very educated in many things, IT just happens to be one of them. I'm just interested in how you came to these conclusions, actual facts to backup your statements, and anyone else who follows your beliefs if that is what you want to call them... NEXT! -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your criticism. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism, have nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake of arguing. So, that being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy? Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest,
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
You are the only person who ever expressed any perceived conflict of interest. I am not going to modify my behavior to conform to your standards. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express my opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft disagree with me. Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even more forthcoming. Please demonstrate exactly what the conflict of interest is and its insidious result, Mr. Deckler. How, exactly, has the MVP program caused such an ethical dilemma that you must rant and rave over it? Let's get specific, though, because your 50,000-foot view is rather unconvincing. For the record, my employer knows I am an MVP, knows that I receive a modest gift of appreciation, and has no problem with this. So my employer, which happens to be a very ethical company, has no problem with this arrangement. Why should you? It is mighty judgmental of you to presume that any person is unprofessional solely because he does not adhere to your personal standards of ethics. Your opinion implies that because you define there to be a conflict of interest, no reasonable person can decide for himself to the contrary. That is, you see yourself as the sole arbiter of professional ethics in this field. Clearly you believe that MVPs are unprofessional because they do not adhere to your standards of ethics, even if those standards are undefined and based solely upon your own simplistic idea of standards, your own ignorance, your logical fallacies, and your personal prejudices. As long as you espouse such ridiculous ideas, I will call you on them. You've been spewing this bile for eight years and you know you're right because, to paraphrase, nobody has proven you wrong. The real problem is that you haven't convinced anyone other than yourself that you're right. You are the one with the opinions. But wait--you say you deal in facts. In an eariler post, you state that it should be obvious that everything you say is your opinion. Which is it, fact or opinion? Well, I will argue that you don't deal in facts, you're all about opinion, so don't go claiming it's all about known facts. There isn't a single fact in your diatribe except for those that say or imply, I believe I do agree that it's a fact that you believe some
Exchange DB defrag
I have an exchange 2000 server with exchange app and DB on a separate drive from the system and exchange log files. The Exchange mailbox store it about 55 GB the HDD space available on the drive is 70 GB. I know that I need 110% free space to use the eseutil tool to defrag the IS. Here is my question: Is it possible (has anyone done it) to move the flat file to another server and perform the defrag there, and then move it back. After dismounting the store of course. Rob _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Sometimes ethics are legislated, sometimes they are not. Regardless, you have not demonstrated that there is any ethical issue here outside your own mind. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your criticism. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism, have nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake of arguing. So, that being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy? Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Not knowing anything about your educational background, I will still readily and happily stack my educational and professional credentials against yours any day. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your criticism. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism, have nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake of arguing. So, that being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy? Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to
Spamcop/NAT
Hello All. I am still getting notifications from spamcop. I know the Exchange server is not relaying. The Exchange server in question is behind a NAT. Could being behind a NAT somehow make the Exchange server appear to be open relay because of the NAT translating the addresses from the outside? Exchange Servers behind NAT devices might be seeing the connection as coming from the local subnet, thereby allowing relaying. I hope I am making sense. Should I move the Exchange server out from behind the NAT? Samantha _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange DB defrag
Yes it is possible. It's gonna take a long time, but hey, it is possible. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;163627 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;244525 Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Weatherly, Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:06 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Exchange DB defrag Subject: Exchange DB defrag I have an exchange 2000 server with exchange app and DB on a separate drive from the system and exchange log files. The Exchange mailbox store it about 55 GB the HDD space available on the drive is 70 GB. I know that I need 110% free space to use the eseutil tool to defrag the IS. Here is my question: Is it possible (has anyone done it) to move the flat file to another server and perform the defrag there, and then move it back. After dismounting the store of course. Rob _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Automating email via Exchange
The simplest method can easily be scripted, and much of it can even be done by a batch file. Look in the Exchange 5.5 FAQ about formatting a message and dropping it into the PICKUP directory of the Exchange server, which can be in different places depending on your Exchange version. Alternatively, you can compose and send messages using an SMTP mailer like BLAT or a MAPI tool like MAPISEND. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scoles, Damian Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Automating email via Exchange Hello all. I need help with automating an email to 140 users on our Exchange system. The email contains a generic message for all, and then some personal information like user name and password. Is there a good way to automate this with Exchange/Outlook? (By automate I mean, send an individual email to each user with the generic message and then insert their personal info.) Or do I need to go get a third party utility to do this? Thanks for any help you can provide. Damian Scoles Senior Technical Analyst MCSE, CCNP, CNA, A+ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange DB defrag
Great, That was exactly what I was looking for Thank you for the information Rob Weatherly Handleman Company -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Winzenz Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange DB defrag Yes it is possible. It's gonna take a long time, but hey, it is possible. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;163627 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;244525 Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Weatherly, Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:06 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Exchange DB defrag Subject: Exchange DB defrag I have an exchange 2000 server with exchange app and DB on a separate drive from the system and exchange log files. The Exchange mailbox store it about 55 GB the HDD space available on the drive is 70 GB. I know that I need 110% free space to use the eseutil tool to defrag the IS. Here is my question: Is it possible (has anyone done it) to move the flat file to another server and perform the defrag there, and then move it back. After dismounting the store of course. Rob _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange DB defrag
You can do that. Or you can use the command-line switch to direct the temp file to a network drive. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weatherly, Rob Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:06 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange DB defrag I have an exchange 2000 server with exchange app and DB on a separate drive from the system and exchange log files. The Exchange mailbox store it about 55 GB the HDD space available on the drive is 70 GB. I know that I need 110% free space to use the eseutil tool to defrag the IS. Here is my question: Is it possible (has anyone done it) to move the flat file to another server and perform the defrag there, and then move it back. After dismounting the store of course. Rob _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Active Directory type tools for NT 4
We are in the process of creating multiple groups to assign printers to. In the past at my last job we had the luxury of AD and using an Excel spreadsheet's to copy the names from the cell's and doing a check to resolve. I am looking for something in NT 4 usrmgr that can do something similar. Anyone have any ideas? It doesn't have to be exactly the same but something so we don't have to pick names 1 at a time because these groups are very large. T hanks _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K
I said might. SMTP worked pretty good in 5.5 for this. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Even in a mixed environment? He's got a 5.5 box there still -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Still, in Exchange 2000 you're probably just as well off with SMTP. You might try both and see which works best for you. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Davinder Gupta Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Link speed/latency limitations. Davinder -Original Message- From: Bowles, John (OIG/OMP) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Yes, but what reasoning would you have for just using an X.400 connector? Because it has a lot of limitations that's why I ask. _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Davinder Gupta Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Hi Guys, Can an Exchange 5.5 connector (x.400) in one exchange site talk to another connector (x.400) connector in Exchange 2K? Thanks Davinder _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Automating email via Exchange
Mail merge with Microsoft Word maybe? Or use a third-party mailing list program - some of those allow to combine generic text with some personalized stuff. That's what a lot of spammers use. -Original Message- From: Scoles, Damian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Automating email via Exchange Hello all. I need help with automating an email to 140 users on our Exchange system. The email contains a generic message for all, and then some personal information like user name and password. Is there a good way to automate this with Exchange/Outlook? (By automate I mean, send an individual email to each user with the generic message and then insert their personal info.) Or do I need to go get a third party utility to do this? Thanks for any help you can provide. Damian Scoles Senior Technical Analyst MCSE, CCNP, CNA, A+ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Spamcop/NAT
Our Exchange server (2K) is also natted. We haven't had any problem that you seem to be having. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Spamcop/NAT Hello All. I am still getting notifications from spamcop. I know the Exchange server is not relaying. The Exchange server in question is behind a NAT. Could being behind a NAT somehow make the Exchange server appear to be open relay because of the NAT translating the addresses from the outside? Exchange Servers behind NAT devices might be seeing the connection as coming from the local subnet, thereby allowing relaying. I hope I am making sense. Should I move the Exchange server out from behind the NAT? Samantha _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange DB defrag
I've done it on a much smaller DB but it took FOREVER. Save yourself a lot of time and grief, get 120GB disk and install it in your server. -Original Message- From: Weatherly, Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange DB defrag I have an exchange 2000 server with exchange app and DB on a separate drive from the system and exchange log files. The Exchange mailbox store it about 55 GB the HDD space available on the drive is 70 GB. I know that I need 110% free space to use the eseutil tool to defrag the IS. Here is my question: Is it possible (has anyone done it) to move the flat file to another server and perform the defrag there, and then move it back. After dismounting the store of course. Rob _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Automating email via Exchange
After Outlook 200 SP2, it became quite painful to use Microsoft Word mail merge for e-mail - Outlook detects that a macro is being run and pops up a question whether you want to allow the macro to continue, with mandatory 10 second wait before you can click Yes. If you have 150 recipients, I think you will have to click Yes 150 times, with 10 seconds in between the clicks. Or find a pre-SP2 version of Outlook 2000. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Automating email via Exchange You could probably do it in an Outlook form or whatever the current Outlook development flavor is from Microsoft. It changes too often to really keep track. You could also do it with API calls to AD and CDO. However, the easiest way may be to just export your users to a CSV file or an Access database and use Microsoft Word to perform a mail merge. I have used this successfully in the past and while a little kludgy, it saves you from writing code. Hello all. I need help with automating an email to 140 users on our Exchange system. The email contains a generic message for all, and then some personal information like user name and password. Is there a good way to automate this with Exchange/Outlook? (By automate I mean, send an individual email to each user with the generic message and then insert their personal info.) Or do I need to go get a third party utility to do this? Thanks for any help you can provide. Damian Scoles Senior Technical Analyst MCSE, CCNP, CNA, A+ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Active Directory type tools for NT 4
You can use a tool like LDIFDE to import group memberships, or you can script it. Neither is trivial. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gonzalez, Alex Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Active Directory type tools for NT 4 We are in the process of creating multiple groups to assign printers to. In the past at my last job we had the luxury of AD and using an Excel spreadsheet's to copy the names from the cell's and doing a check to resolve. I am looking for something in NT 4 usrmgr that can do something similar. Anyone have any ideas? It doesn't have to be exactly the same but something so we don't have to pick names 1 at a time because these groups are very large. T hanks _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K
Hm... SMTP in 5.5 was not that great though. It was not native and messages had to be translated from native (X.400-like) format to SMTP and back. Depending on the volume of mail, it might not be pleasant. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K I said might. SMTP worked pretty good in 5.5 for this. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Even in a mixed environment? He's got a 5.5 box there still -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Still, in Exchange 2000 you're probably just as well off with SMTP. You might try both and see which works best for you. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Davinder Gupta Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Link speed/latency limitations. Davinder -Original Message- From: Bowles, John (OIG/OMP) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Yes, but what reasoning would you have for just using an X.400 connector? Because it has a lot of limitations that's why I ask. _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Davinder Gupta Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Hi Guys, Can an Exchange 5.5 connector (x.400) in one exchange site talk to another connector (x.400) connector in Exchange 2K? Thanks Davinder _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Adding another server to Ex 2000 site
I curently run ex 2000 sp3 in native mode under w2k sp3. Running Front-ends and Back-end servers. I had to install another server into the site - the difference is with the IP address of the server not being in the same domain ie.. ida.org, but as a subdomain of sa.ida.org. In the AD I have all my users setup in the Users container, but with this new group I created a container called sa users. When I create mailbox's for this group nothing gets published in the mailbox container for that server.. Why? Is there something that I have forgotten to do for this new mailbox store - or will it not work unless I have all the mailbox servers at the top level domain of ida.org? Ron Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SBS 2003 Tools
On CD #4 of the Install CD's there lies all of the special features that makes SBS, SBS. I really like the Backup Tool, and Monitoring Tool. I have tried to install it on a Windows 2000 server and of course it says this is for SBS 2003. Does anyone have a idea how to port this over to 2000? The SBS 2003 tools really work well, much better than SBS 2000 did. Eric _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K
I really do like the Exchange 5.5 X.400 connector for intersite messaging, don't get me wrong. But it is harder to grasp for some so I simply suggested he test an alternative. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Hm... SMTP in 5.5 was not that great though. It was not native and messages had to be translated from native (X.400-like) format to SMTP and back. Depending on the volume of mail, it might not be pleasant. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K I said might. SMTP worked pretty good in 5.5 for this. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Even in a mixed environment? He's got a 5.5 box there still -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Still, in Exchange 2000 you're probably just as well off with SMTP. You might try both and see which works best for you. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Davinder Gupta Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Link speed/latency limitations. Davinder -Original Message- From: Bowles, John (OIG/OMP) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Yes, but what reasoning would you have for just using an X.400 connector? Because it has a lot of limitations that's why I ask. _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Davinder Gupta Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Connectors in 5.5 and 2K Hi Guys, Can an Exchange 5.5 connector (x.400) in one exchange site talk to another connector (x.400) connector in Exchange 2K? Thanks Davinder _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe:
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes time to make hiring decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants, how should I proceed? Let's take the example of an Exchange deployment project. First thing to be decided: Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help with my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their expertise somehow? The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP status is, IMO. You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box tops, as one can do to get an MCSE. You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will automatically recommend technology from their masters *for their own personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed (to use him as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already made the decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best person I can find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for their knowledge? -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express my opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft disagree with me. Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even more forthcoming. Please demonstrate exactly what the conflict of interest is and its insidious result, Mr. Deckler. How, exactly, has the MVP program caused such an ethical dilemma that you must rant and rave over it? Let's get specific, though, because your 50,000-foot view is rather unconvincing. For the record, my employer knows I am an MVP, knows that I receive a modest gift of appreciation, and has no problem with this. So my employer, which happens to be a very ethical company, has no problem with this arrangement. Why should you? It is mighty judgmental of you to presume that any person is unprofessional solely because he does not adhere to your personal standards of ethics. Your opinion implies that because you define there to be a conflict of interest, no reasonable person can decide for himself to the contrary. That is, you see yourself as the sole arbiter of professional ethics
RE: SBS 2003 Tools
Upgrade to SBS 2003? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SBS 2003 Tools On CD #4 of the Install CD's there lies all of the special features that makes SBS, SBS. I really like the Backup Tool, and Monitoring Tool. I have tried to install it on a Windows 2000 server and of course it says this is for SBS 2003. Does anyone have a idea how to port this over to 2000? The SBS 2003 tools really work well, much better than SBS 2000 did. Eric _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Just to throw some salt in the wounds, the Federal Government has a law that states that any federal employee or govenrment contractor cannot accept any gift from a vendor with a value greater than $80. Anything over that is considered improper and a conflict of interest. If you accept the gift and you are a government contractor, you risk getting busted fined by the GAO as well risk losing your contract. Greg, last time I checked, pens and paper were less that $80.00. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express my opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft disagree with me. Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even more
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Yes, really. Laws are designed to define the floor. Ethics are designed to define the ceiling. No, I am simply someone that has a particular view of things that people seem to be utterly fascinated with and keep bringing it up. I am not a spokesman, I have an opinion. I have come to my conclusions about you because all I see is talk, talk, talk in your posts but nothing substantive. I have yet to see you make an intelligent comment or argument yet. A personal attack from me goes so much deeper, but I'll leave that be. On to bigger and brighter things!!! And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. Oh really! This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Now we're getting somewhere!!! Tell me Greg, are YOU the spokesman for the IT industry? Does the IT industry have party affiliations? Are Ed and the rest of the MVP's the Liberal's in this case where you're the Conservative? Who voted you to be the spokesman for the IT industry and why didn't I/we get to vote? Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism,...(bunch of other shinola) Not educated on Ethics? Oh, I'm very educated in many things, IT just happens to be one of them. I'm just interested in how you came to these conclusions, actual facts to backup your statements, and anyone else who follows your beliefs if that is what you want to call them... NEXT! -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your criticism. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism, have nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake of arguing. So, that being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy? Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Well said. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Steve Hanna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Dude, STFU. --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express my opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft disagree with me. Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even more forthcoming. Please demonstrate exactly what the conflict of interest is and its insidious result, Mr. Deckler. How, exactly, has the MVP program caused such an ethical dilemma that you must rant and rave over it? Let's get specific, though, because your 50,000-foot view is rather unconvincing. For the record, my employer knows I am an MVP, knows that I receive a modest gift of appreciation, and has no problem with this. So my employer, which happens to be a very ethical company, has no problem with this arrangement. Why should you? It is mighty judgmental of you to presume that any person is unprofessional solely because he does not adhere to your personal standards of ethics. Your opinion implies that because you define there to be a conflict of interest, no reasonable person can decide for himself to the contrary. That is, you see yourself as the sole arbiter of professional ethics in this field. Clearly you believe that MVPs are unprofessional because they do not adhere to your standards of ethics, even if those standards are undefined and based solely upon your own simplistic idea of standards, your own ignorance, your logical fallacies, and your personal prejudices. As long as you espouse such ridiculous ideas, I will call you on them. You've been spewing this bile for eight years and you know you're right because, to paraphrase, nobody has proven you wrong. The real problem is that you haven't convinced anyone other than yourself that you're right. You are the one with the opinions. But wait--you say you deal in facts. In an eariler post, you state that it should be obvious that everything you say is your opinion. Which is it, fact or opinion? Well, I will argue that you don't deal in facts, you're all about opinion, so don't go claiming it's all
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
It's another thrilling round of Exchange Admin Deathmatch! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Adam Staub [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 This is the BEST group, ever. I don't have to watch the soaps. All I've got to do is read this list! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your criticism. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism, have nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake of arguing. So, that being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy? Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I never asked you to modify your behavior. Do what you want. It is a GOOD thing for me that people do not have my particular views on ethics. I have won clients and I keep clients, in part, based on my ethics. My clients know that come heck or high water, I am going to be fanactically loyal to my clients and no one else, ever. And yes, I expressed concern EIGHT YEARS AGO and since then have never brought it up. It keeps being brought up by other people. Let it go. You are the only person who ever expressed any perceived conflict of interest. I am not going to modify my behavior to conform to your standards. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SBS 2003 Tools
I am over 50 users -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SBS 2003 Tools Upgrade to SBS 2003? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SBS 2003 Tools On CD #4 of the Install CD's there lies all of the special features that makes SBS, SBS. I really like the Backup Tool, and Monitoring Tool. I have tried to install it on a Windows 2000 server and of course it says this is for SBS 2003. Does anyone have a idea how to port this over to 2000? The SBS 2003 tools really work well, much better than SBS 2000 did. Eric _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Oh my! I'm hurt! Crushed I tell ya... What's not substantive about my posts? I can't provide facts for things which do not exist. You say the MVP's are violating a code of ethics. I'm asking for SUBSTANTIATED proof. Per your usual, you skirted everything I questioned meaning you have nothing to backup your opinion meaning your opinion is worth... Well, it think you know what your opinion is worth... If you don't, I'm sure others have made it clear that your opinion is worth squat, your skills as a consultant are at the very minimum humorous, and your ability to work with others... Severely lacking... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, really. Laws are designed to define the floor. Ethics are designed to define the ceiling. No, I am simply someone that has a particular view of things that people seem to be utterly fascinated with and keep bringing it up. I am not a spokesman, I have an opinion. I have come to my conclusions about you because all I see is talk, talk, talk in your posts but nothing substantive. I have yet to see you make an intelligent comment or argument yet. A personal attack from me goes so much deeper, but I'll leave that be. On to bigger and brighter things!!! And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. Oh really! This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Now we're getting somewhere!!! Tell me Greg, are YOU the spokesman for the IT industry? Does the IT industry have party affiliations? Are Ed and the rest of the MVP's the Liberal's in this case where you're the Conservative? Who voted you to be the spokesman for the IT industry and why didn't I/we get to vote? Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism,...(bunch of other shinola) Not educated on Ethics? Oh, I'm very educated in many things, IT just happens to be one of them. I'm just interested in how you came to these conclusions, actual facts to backup your statements, and anyone else who follows your beliefs if that is what you want to call them... NEXT! -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your criticism. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism, have nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake of arguing. So, that being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy? Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with...
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Ed, honestly, WTF does this have to do with ANYTHING? My list of credentials is longer than yours?? I mean, sure, what the heck. I will state this in the hopes that we can all move past this. Everyone, everyone, listen up, here it is: Ed Crowley has a longer list of credentials than I do. In fact, my list of credentials is small, puny and weak and I almost never show it to anyone. Jeez God man. Not knowing anything about your educational background, I will still readily and happily stack my educational and professional credentials against yours any day. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SBS 2003 Tools
I want to say maybe SBS2003 will goo to 75 these day's...or is that Novell? -Original Message- From: Eric Holtzclaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SBS 2003 Tools I am over 50 users -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SBS 2003 Tools Upgrade to SBS 2003? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SBS 2003 Tools On CD #4 of the Install CD's there lies all of the special features that makes SBS, SBS. I really like the Backup Tool, and Monitoring Tool. I have tried to install it on a Windows 2000 server and of course it says this is for SBS 2003. Does anyone have a idea how to port this over to 2000? The SBS 2003 tools really work well, much better than SBS 2000 did. Eric _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
DAMN YOU for filling up my Deleted Items bin! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed, honestly, WTF does this have to do with ANYTHING? My list of credentials is longer than yours?? I mean, sure, what the heck. I will state this in the hopes that we can all move past this. Everyone, everyone, listen up, here it is: Ed Crowley has a longer list of credentials than I do. In fact, my list of credentials is small, puny and weak and I almost never show it to anyone. Jeez God man. Not knowing anything about your educational background, I will still readily and happily stack my educational and professional credentials against yours any day. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange 2000 permissions error
Any ideas? -Ryan    N. Ryan Fennema, MCSE Network Administrator X-Rite Incorporated - Grandville, MI Phone: (616) 257-2165 Fax: (616) 257-2165 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.XRite.com  -Original Message- From: Ryan Fennema Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2000 permissions error We have several users that are all of a sudden receiving this error when trying to open their mailbox on the server: Unable to display the selected folder or item. You do not have permission to log on while no permissions have changed and their accounts are not locked out. Any ideas? Exchange 2000 SP3 Outlook 2000 and 2002 Win2k Domain Thanks, Ryan    N. Ryan Fennema, MCSE Network Administrator X-Rite Incorporated - Grandville, MI Phone: (616) 257-2165 Fax: (616) 257-2165 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.XRite.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I adding this subject line to my x-wall.. PLEASE STOP! -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 DAMN YOU for filling up my Deleted Items bin! Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed, honestly, WTF does this have to do with ANYTHING? My list of credentials is longer than yours?? I mean, sure, what the heck. I will state this in the hopes that we can all move past this. Everyone, everyone, listen up, here it is: Ed Crowley has a longer list of credentials than I do. In fact, my list of credentials is small, puny and weak and I almost never show it to anyone. Jeez God man. Not knowing anything about your educational background, I will still readily and happily stack my educational and professional credentials against yours any day. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SBS 2003 Tools
Yes you are correct. With SBS 2003 you can go to 75 users. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SBS 2003 Tools I want to say maybe SBS2003 will goo to 75 these day's...or is that Novell? -Original Message- From: Eric Holtzclaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SBS 2003 Tools I am over 50 users -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SBS 2003 Tools Upgrade to SBS 2003? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SBS 2003 Tools On CD #4 of the Install CD's there lies all of the special features that makes SBS, SBS. I really like the Backup Tool, and Monitoring Tool. I have tried to install it on a Windows 2000 server and of course it says this is for SBS 2003. Does anyone have a idea how to port this over to 2000? The SBS 2003 tools really work well, much better than SBS 2000 did. Eric _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as the hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain. You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you feel is and is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not change the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict of interest. Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes time to make hiring = decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants, how should I proceed? Let's take = the example of an Exchange deployment project. =20 First thing to be decided:=20 Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help with = my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their expertise somehow? The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP status is, IMO. = You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box tops, as one = can do to get an MCSE. =20 You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will automatically recommend technology from their masters *for their own = personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed (to use him = as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already made the = decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best person I can = find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for their knowledge? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Yes, and titles are priceless. Just to throw some salt in the wounds, the Federal Government has a law that states that any federal employee or govenrment contractor cannot accept any gift from a vendor with a value greater than $80. Anything over that is considered improper and a conflict of interest. If you accept the gift and you are a government contractor, you risk getting busted fined by the GAO as well risk losing your contract. Greg, last time I checked, pens and paper were less that $80.00. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Titles are priceless. Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. Kindly define significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles. Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The MVP award is a thank you, if you will, for past service. Not once has anyone directed me to do a single thing. Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my own free will. My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express my
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Thank-you for proving my point. Oh my! I'm hurt! Crushed I tell ya... What's not substantive about my posts? I can't provide facts for things which do not exist. You say the MVP's are violating a code of ethics. I'm asking for SUBSTANTIATED proof. Per your usual, you skirted everything I questioned meaning you have nothing to backup your opinion meaning your opinion is worth... Well, it think you know what your opinion is worth... If you don't, I'm sure others have made it clear that your opinion is worth squat, your skills as a consultant are at the very minimum humorous, and your ability to work with others... Severely lacking... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, really. Laws are designed to define the floor. Ethics are designed to define the ceiling. No, I am simply someone that has a particular view of things that people seem to be utterly fascinated with and keep bringing it up. I am not a spokesman, I have an opinion. I have come to my conclusions about you because all I see is talk, talk, talk in your posts but nothing substantive. I have yet to see you make an intelligent comment or argument yet. A personal attack from me goes so much deeper, but I'll leave that be. On to bigger and brighter things!!! And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. Oh really! This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Now we're getting somewhere!!! Tell me Greg, are YOU the spokesman for the IT industry? Does the IT industry have party affiliations? Are Ed and the rest of the MVP's the Liberal's in this case where you're the Conservative? Who voted you to be the spokesman for the IT industry and why didn't I/we get to vote? Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism,...(bunch of other shinola) Not educated on Ethics? Oh, I'm very educated in many things, IT just happens to be one of them. I'm just interested in how you came to these conclusions, actual facts to backup your statements, and anyone else who follows your beliefs if that is what you want to call them... NEXT! -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your criticism. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism, have nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake of arguing. So, that being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy? Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while
RE: SBS 2003 Tools
What about the Priv size restrictions? That is what killed why Exec? -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SBS 2003 Tools Yes you are correct. With SBS 2003 you can go to 75 users. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SBS 2003 Tools I want to say maybe SBS2003 will goo to 75 these day's...or is that Novell? -Original Message- From: Eric Holtzclaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SBS 2003 Tools I am over 50 users -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SBS 2003 Tools Upgrade to SBS 2003? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SBS 2003 Tools On CD #4 of the Install CD's there lies all of the special features that makes SBS, SBS. I really like the Backup Tool, and Monitoring Tool. I have tried to install it on a Windows 2000 server and of course it says this is for SBS 2003. Does anyone have a idea how to port this over to 2000? The SBS 2003 tools really work well, much better than SBS 2000 did. Eric _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
How ironic, my clients (when I was in private practice) knew that too. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:06 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I never asked you to modify your behavior. Do what you want. It is a GOOD thing for me that people do not have my particular views on ethics. I have won clients and I keep clients, in part, based on my ethics. My clients know that come heck or high water, I am going to be fanactically loyal to my clients and no one else, ever. And yes, I expressed concern EIGHT YEARS AGO and since then have never brought it up. It keeps being brought up by other people. Let it go. You are the only person who ever expressed any perceived conflict of interest. I am not going to modify my behavior to conform to your standards. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Xwall
I am looking at putting an Xwall into place here. Are you happy with it? Chuck -Original Message- From: Mark Nold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I adding this subject line to my x-wall.. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange 2000 permissions error
Has something changed on the network? For example, something that would make domain controllers, expecially GCs invisible to the clients (like port 389 or port 3268 closure)? My thinking is that they can't correctly authenticate, or Outlook can't confirm that the user is a valid user because it can't see the Global Address List. Or maybe someone closed port 135 somewhere? Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Ryan Fennema [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2000 permissions error Any ideas? -Ryan    N. Ryan Fennema, MCSE Network Administrator X-Rite Incorporated - Grandville, MI Phone: (616) 257-2165 Fax: (616) 257-2165 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.XRite.com  -Original Message- From: Ryan Fennema Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2000 permissions error We have several users that are all of a sudden receiving this error when trying to open their mailbox on the server: Unable to display the selected folder or item. You do not have permission to log on while no permissions have changed and their accounts are not locked out. Any ideas? Exchange 2000 SP3 Outlook 2000 and 2002 Win2k Domain Thanks, Ryan    N. Ryan Fennema, MCSE Network Administrator X-Rite Incorporated - Grandville, MI Phone: (616) 257-2165 Fax: (616) 257-2165 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.XRite.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange 2000 permissions error
Make sure to read this: XCCC: How Outlook 2000 Accesses Active Directory http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302914 And this: XCLN: How MAPI Clients Access Active Directory http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;256976 Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Ryan Fennema [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2000 permissions error Any ideas? -Ryan    N. Ryan Fennema, MCSE Network Administrator X-Rite Incorporated - Grandville, MI Phone: (616) 257-2165 Fax: (616) 257-2165 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.XRite.com  -Original Message- From: Ryan Fennema Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2000 permissions error We have several users that are all of a sudden receiving this error when trying to open their mailbox on the server: Unable to display the selected folder or item. You do not have permission to log on while no permissions have changed and their accounts are not locked out. Any ideas? Exchange 2000 SP3 Outlook 2000 and 2002 Win2k Domain Thanks, Ryan    N. Ryan Fennema, MCSE Network Administrator X-Rite Incorporated - Grandville, MI Phone: (616) 257-2165 Fax: (616) 257-2165 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.XRite.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ADC Exchange 2003
In the ADC Tools Step 1: Tools settings, i put my Exchange 5.5 server (defautl port), logging path: left the default and also tried a different hard disk. When I run step 2 I get the following error in Pass 2 of 4 Error: Error 61 Disk full writing to the file e:\adc\adctools.log The E drive has 3.8GB available and the adctools.log file is only 686 bytes... Any pointers will be appreciated. Regards, Guy _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
As a Microsoft Partner, does your company get any freebies? -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as the hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain. You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you feel is and is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not change the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict of interest. Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes time to make hiring = decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants, how should I proceed? Let's take = the example of an Exchange deployment project. =20 First thing to be decided:=20 Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help with = my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their expertise somehow? The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP status is, IMO. = You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box tops, as one = can do to get an MCSE. =20 You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will automatically recommend technology from their masters *for their own = personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed (to use him = as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already made the = decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best person I can = find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for their knowledge? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
http://www.infonition.com/marathon.shtml Interesting. -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 As a Microsoft Partner, does your company get any freebies? -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as the hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain. You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you feel is and is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not change the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict of interest. Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes time to make hiring = decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants, how should I proceed? Let's take = the example of an Exchange deployment project. =20 First thing to be decided:=20 Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help with = my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their expertise somehow? The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP status is, IMO. = You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box tops, as one = can do to get an MCSE. =20 You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will automatically recommend technology from their masters *for their own = personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed (to use him = as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already made the = decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best person I can = find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for their knowledge? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang= english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I used to work for a MS partner and they definitely got freebies! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 As a Microsoft Partner, does your company get any freebies? -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as the hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain. You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you feel is and is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not change the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict of interest. Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes time to make hiring = decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants, how should I proceed? Let's take = the example of an Exchange deployment project. =20 First thing to be decided:=20 Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help with = my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their expertise somehow? The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP status is, IMO. = You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box tops, as one = can do to get an MCSE. =20 You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will automatically recommend technology from their masters *for their own = personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed (to use him = as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already made the = decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best person I can = find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for their knowledge? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Spamcop/NAT
If this is an issue, simply disallow relaying from the local network address of the NAT box. To confirm if this is what is going on, turn on SMTP logging, and attempt a relay. Then look for the IP of your local NAT box. Erick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bridges, Samantha Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Spamcop/NAT Hello All. I am still getting notifications from spamcop. I know the Exchange server is not relaying. The Exchange server in question is behind a NAT. Could being behind a NAT somehow make the Exchange server appear to be open relay because of the NAT translating the addresses from the outside? Exchange Servers behind NAT devices might be seeing the connection as coming from the local subnet, thereby allowing relaying. I hope I am making sense. Should I move the Exchange server out from behind the NAT? Samantha _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Dude, STFU --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, really. Laws are designed to define the floor. Ethics are designed to define the ceiling. No, I am simply someone that has a particular view of things that people seem to be utterly fascinated with and keep bringing it up. I am not a spokesman, I have an opinion. I have come to my conclusions about you because all I see is talk, talk, talk in your posts but nothing substantive. I have yet to see you make an intelligent comment or argument yet. A personal attack from me goes so much deeper, but I'll leave that be. On to bigger and brighter things!!! And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. Oh really! This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Now we're getting somewhere!!! Tell me Greg, are YOU the spokesman for the IT industry? Does the IT industry have party affiliations? Are Ed and the rest of the MVP's the Liberal's in this case where you're the Conservative? Who voted you to be the spokesman for the IT industry and why didn't I/we get to vote? Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism,...(bunch of other shinola) Not educated on Ethics? Oh, I'm very educated in many things, IT just happens to be one of them. I'm just interested in how you came to these conclusions, actual facts to backup your statements, and anyone else who follows your beliefs if that is what you want to call them... NEXT! -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your criticism. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism, have nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake of arguing. So, that being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy? Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Thanks alot guys. You have me considereing to start smoking again and drink more than socially From: Steve Hanna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:41:40 -0500 Dude, STFU --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, really. Laws are designed to define the floor. Ethics are designed to define the ceiling. No, I am simply someone that has a particular view of things that people seem to be utterly fascinated with and keep bringing it up. I am not a spokesman, I have an opinion. I have come to my conclusions about you because all I see is talk, talk, talk in your posts but nothing substantive. I have yet to see you make an intelligent comment or argument yet. A personal attack from me goes so much deeper, but I'll leave that be. On to bigger and brighter things!!! And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. Oh really! This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Now we're getting somewhere!!! Tell me Greg, are YOU the spokesman for the IT industry? Does the IT industry have party affiliations? Are Ed and the rest of the MVP's the Liberal's in this case where you're the Conservative? Who voted you to be the spokesman for the IT industry and why didn't I/we get to vote? Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism,...(bunch of other shinola) Not educated on Ethics? Oh, I'm very educated in many things, IT just happens to be one of them. I'm just interested in how you came to these conclusions, actual facts to backup your statements, and anyone else who follows your beliefs if that is what you want to call them... NEXT! -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your criticism. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism, have nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake of arguing. So, that being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy? Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose arguments... I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support your claim for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. I'll need actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject. Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see at what point in time these laws went into effect... There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical violation, right? Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you. So, please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be unethical in nature... -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate with... _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
You still haven't demonstrated that the Conflict of Interest exists. Where's the conflict in me (an MS-leaning IT manager) hiring a MS-knowledgeable person to implement MS-based technology in my MS-based enterprise? The MVP I'm hiring has not swayed me towards the decision to *use* MS software. I've already made that call. If I decide to rip out all of my MS software and deploy chimpanzees with abacuses to run my business, I will hire staff/conslutants with comparable experience. Where's the frigging conflict of interest? -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as the hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain. You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you feel is and is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not change the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict of interest. Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes time to make hiring = decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants, how should I proceed? Let's take = the example of an Exchange deployment project. =20 First thing to be decided:=20 Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help with = my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their expertise somehow? The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP status is, IMO. = You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box tops, as one = can do to get an MCSE. =20 You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will automatically recommend technology from their masters *for their own = personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed (to use him = as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already made the = decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best person I can = find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for their knowledge? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
To never accept compensation from vendors for recommending products H... I get it now!!! All of the MVP's RECOMMEND MS products on the various newsgroups, they don't actually SUPPORT the products... See Ed, you've been recommending that everyone use an MS Solution this whole time, you haven't been offering support of said products... That's why you and all the MVP's are wrong about this Code of Ethics... -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 http://www.infonition.com/marathon.shtml Interesting. -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 As a Microsoft Partner, does your company get any freebies? -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as the hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain. You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you feel is and is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not change the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict of interest. Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes time to make hiring = decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants, how should I proceed? Let's take = the example of an Exchange deployment project. =20 First thing to be decided:=20 Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help with = my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their expertise somehow? The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP status is, IMO. = You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box tops, as one = can do to get an MCSE. =20 You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will automatically recommend technology from their masters *for their own = personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed (to use him = as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already made the = decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best person I can = find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for their knowledge? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang = english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Is there an MVP award for Chimps or the Abacus for that matter? -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You still haven't demonstrated that the Conflict of Interest exists. Where's the conflict in me (an MS-leaning IT manager) hiring a MS-knowledgeable person to implement MS-based technology in my MS-based enterprise? The MVP I'm hiring has not swayed me towards the decision to *use* MS software. I've already made that call. If I decide to rip out all of my MS software and deploy chimpanzees with abacuses to run my business, I will hire staff/conslutants with comparable experience. Where's the frigging conflict of interest? -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as the hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain. You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you feel is and is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not change the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict of interest. Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes time to make hiring = decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants, how should I proceed? Let's take = the example of an Exchange deployment project. =20 First thing to be decided:=20 Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help with = my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their expertise somehow? The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP status is, IMO. = You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box tops, as one = can do to get an MCSE. =20 You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will automatically recommend technology from their masters *for their own = personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed (to use him = as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already made the = decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best person I can = find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for their knowledge? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Can this thread please go away...You're not going to win Greg... _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 To never accept compensation from vendors for recommending products H... I get it now!!! All of the MVP's RECOMMEND MS products on the various newsgroups, they don't actually SUPPORT the products... See Ed, you've been recommending that everyone use an MS Solution this whole time, you haven't been offering support of said products... That's why you and all the MVP's are wrong about this Code of Ethics... -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 http://www.infonition.com/marathon.shtml Interesting. -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 As a Microsoft Partner, does your company get any freebies? -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as the hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain. You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you feel is and is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not change the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict of interest. Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes time to make hiring = decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants, how should I proceed? Let's take = the example of an Exchange deployment project. =20 First thing to be decided:=20 Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help with = my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their expertise somehow? The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP status is, IMO. = You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box tops, as one = can do to get an MCSE. =20 You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will automatically recommend technology from their masters *for their own = personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed (to use him = as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already made the = decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best person I can = find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for their knowledge? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang = english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:
RE: Xwall
yes, used it for a year and a bit and it's rock-solid and does a hell of a lot for the money. not used the spam side of it for a long time (got postfix/spamassassin for that now) but i don't know of many windows products that do as much for that sort of money - logging's one of the best features IMHO. regards, Paul -Original Message- From: Chuck Parkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 December 2003 19:31 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Xwall I am looking at putting an Xwall into place here. Are you happy with it? Chuck -Original Message- From: Mark Nold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I adding this subject line to my x-wall.. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Only if the chimps were using Microsoft Abacus 2003 Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Is there an MVP award for Chimps or the Abacus for that matter? -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You still haven't demonstrated that the Conflict of Interest exists. Where's the conflict in me (an MS-leaning IT manager) hiring a MS-knowledgeable person to implement MS-based technology in my MS-based enterprise? The MVP I'm hiring has not swayed me towards the decision to *use* MS software. I've already made that call. If I decide to rip out all of my MS software and deploy chimpanzees with abacuses to run my business, I will hire staff/conslutants with comparable experience. Where's the frigging conflict of interest? -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as the hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain. You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you feel is and is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not change the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict of interest. Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes time to make hiring = decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants, how should I proceed? Let's take = the example of an Exchange deployment project. =20 First thing to be decided:=20 Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help with = my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their expertise somehow? The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP status is, IMO. = You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box tops, as one = can do to get an MCSE. =20 You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will automatically recommend technology from their masters *for their own = personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed (to use him = as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already made the = decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best person I can = find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for their knowledge? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Xwall
I've only had it in place for about 4 weeks, so I am still fine tuning it. But yes I'm very happy with it so far. We get relatively small amount of spam. However with that said, we went from using Exchanges filtering to using X-Wall. When we used Exchange filtering about 10 - 15 % of incoming mail was classified as spam. Now with X-Wall we are classifying upwards of 30%. I have users notify me of any slip-thrus, and from what I can tell we are stopping about 90% of spam at the SMTP level now...they never touch my exchange box. I have yet to turn on the Bayesian filtering. Just using DNS based RBLs and subject line blocking to date. I'm sure when I turn on Bayesian that the % will certainly increase. There are also some pretty cool reporting features (3rd party) that will take your x-wall stat files and give you all sorts of info. For us (a non-profit) the price is great for what we are getting. I know there are others on this list with far more experience with it that can chime in. -Original Message- From: Chuck Parkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Xwall I am looking at putting an Xwall into place here. Are you happy with it? Chuck -Original Message- From: Mark Nold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I adding this subject line to my x-wall.. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Xwall
I have one in place ... it has its issues but for the price it is pretty good; hasn't crashed; has its own smtp server; handles a heavy load real well ; nice log files; ... documentation ; ok, but I think his english language skills make what he is trying to get across sketchy bayes good word/bad word ... works ... but I can't seem to get it to stop giving test emails with very few words bad scores ... I lot of options to choose from ... nice header options ... individual whitelist (but no individual blacklist) etc ... Mike -Original Message- From: Chuck Parkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Xwall I am looking at putting an Xwall into place here. Are you happy with it? Chuck -Original Message- From: Mark Nold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I adding this subject line to my x-wall.. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Automating email via Exchange
E-mail merge under Office 2k and later (with the OL security PITA in place) blows chunks. Unless the stars are aligned correctly, you get prompted for each recipient -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Automating email via Exchange Mail merge with Microsoft Word maybe? Or use a third-party mailing list program - some of those allow to combine generic text with some personalized stuff. That's what a lot of spammers use. -Original Message- From: Scoles, Damian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Automating email via Exchange Hello all. I need help with automating an email to 140 users on our Exchange system. The email contains a generic message for all, and then some personal information like user name and password. Is there a good way to automate this with Exchange/Outlook? (By automate I mean, send an individual email to each user with the generic message and then insert their personal info.) Or do I need to go get a third party utility to do this? Thanks for any help you can provide. Damian Scoles Senior Technical Analyst MCSE, CCNP, CNA, A+ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Automating email via Exchange
You know, this is the very reason that we put Outlook 2000 (w/o security patch) on our scanning PC (it interfaces with the GAL and allows you to send the scanned document directly to a mailbox). It would sure be nice if there was an alternative. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:26 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Automating email via Exchange Subject: RE: Automating email via Exchange E-mail merge under Office 2k and later (with the OL security PITA in place) blows chunks. Unless the stars are aligned correctly, you get prompted for each recipient -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Automating email via Exchange Mail merge with Microsoft Word maybe? Or use a third-party mailing list program - some of those allow to combine generic text with some personalized stuff. That's what a lot of spammers use. -Original Message- From: Scoles, Damian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Automating email via Exchange Hello all. I need help with automating an email to 140 users on our Exchange system. The email contains a generic message for all, and then some personal information like user name and password. Is there a good way to automate this with Exchange/Outlook? (By automate I mean, send an individual email to each user with the generic message and then insert their personal info.) Or do I need to go get a third party utility to do this? Thanks for any help you can provide. Damian Scoles Senior Technical Analyst MCSE, CCNP, CNA, A+ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Automating email via Exchange
That worked like a charm. Thanks a lot for the tip. Damian Scoles Senior Technical Analyst MCSE, CCNP, CNA, A+ -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Automating email via Exchange You could probably do it in an Outlook form or whatever the current Outlook development flavor is from Microsoft. It changes too often to really keep track. You could also do it with API calls to AD and CDO. However, the easiest way may be to just export your users to a CSV file or an Access database and use Microsoft Word to perform a mail merge. I have used this successfully in the past and while a little kludgy, it saves you from writing code. Hello all. I need help with automating an email to 140 users on our Exchange system. The email contains a generic message for all, and then some personal information like user name and password. Is there a good way to automate this with Exchange/Outlook? (By automate I mean, send an individual email to each user with the generic message and then insert their personal info.) Or do I need to go get a third party utility to do this? Thanks for any help you can provide. Damian Scoles Senior Technical Analyst MCSE, CCNP, CNA, A+ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Automating email via Exchange
http://www.express-soft.com/mailmate/clickyes.html http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/ -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Automating email via Exchange You know, this is the very reason that we put Outlook 2000 (w/o security patch) on our scanning PC (it interfaces with the GAL and allows you to send the scanned document directly to a mailbox). It would sure be nice if there was an alternative. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:26 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Automating email via Exchange Subject: RE: Automating email via Exchange E-mail merge under Office 2k and later (with the OL security PITA in place) blows chunks. Unless the stars are aligned correctly, you get prompted for each recipient -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Automating email via Exchange Mail merge with Microsoft Word maybe? Or use a third-party mailing list program - some of those allow to combine generic text with some personalized stuff. That's what a lot of spammers use. -Original Message- From: Scoles, Damian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Automating email via Exchange Hello all. I need help with automating an email to 140 users on our Exchange system. The email contains a generic message for all, and then some personal information like user name and password. Is there a good way to automate this with Exchange/Outlook? (By automate I mean, send an individual email to each user with the generic message and then insert their personal info.) Or do I need to go get a third party utility to do this? Thanks for any help you can provide. Damian Scoles Senior Technical Analyst MCSE, CCNP, CNA, A+ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Yes, we pay Microsoft to be a partner and get freebies. As a Microsoft Partner, does your company get any freebies? -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as the hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain. You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you feel is and is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not change the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict of interest. Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes time to make hiring = decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants, how should I proceed? Let's take = the example of an Exchange deployment project. =20 First thing to be decided:=20 Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help with = my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their expertise somehow? The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP status is, IMO. = You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box tops, as one = can do to get an MCSE. =20 You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will automatically recommend technology from their masters *for their own = personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed (to use him = as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already made the = decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best person I can = find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for their knowledge? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
You still haven't demonstrated that the Conflict of Interest exists. =20 When you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, that is a conflict of interest. Where's the conflict in me (an MS-leaning IT manager) hiring a MS-knowledgeable person to implement MS-based technology in my MS-based enterprise? =20 The MVP I'm hiring has not swayed me towards the decision to *use* MS software. I've already made that call. If I decide to rip out all of = my MS software and deploy chimpanzees with abacuses to run my business, I will = hire staff/conslutants with comparable experience. Where's the frigging = conflict of interest? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Automating email via Exchange
You're welcome. That worked like a charm. Thanks a lot for the tip. Damian Scoles Senior Technical Analyst MCSE, CCNP, CNA, A+ -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Automating email via Exchange You could probably do it in an Outlook form or whatever the current Outlook development flavor is from Microsoft. It changes too often to really keep track. You could also do it with API calls to AD and CDO. However, the easiest way may be to just export your users to a CSV file or an Access database and use Microsoft Word to perform a mail merge. I have used this successfully in the past and while a little kludgy, it saves you from writing code. Hello all. I need help with automating an email to 140 users on our=20 Exchange system. The email contains a generic message for all, and=20 then some personal information like user name and password. Is there=20 a good way to automate this with Exchange/Outlook? (By automate I=20 mean, send an individual email to each user with the generic message=20 and then insert their personal info.) Or do I need to go get a third=20 party utility to do this? Thanks for any help you can provide. =20 =20 Damian Scoles Senior Technical Analyst MCSE, CCNP, CNA, A+ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode=3D= lang=3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I have no interest in winning. Can this thread please go away...You're not going to win Greg... _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Automating email via Exchange
as he grins and hopes he will receive his MVP status -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Automating email via Exchange You're welcome. That worked like a charm. Thanks a lot for the tip. Damian Scoles Senior Technical Analyst MCSE, CCNP, CNA, A+ -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Automating email via Exchange You could probably do it in an Outlook form or whatever the current Outlook development flavor is from Microsoft. It changes too often to really keep track. You could also do it with API calls to AD and CDO. However, the easiest way may be to just export your users to a CSV file or an Access database and use Microsoft Word to perform a mail merge. I have used this successfully in the past and while a little kludgy, it saves you from writing code. Hello all. I need help with automating an email to 140 users on our=20 Exchange system. The email contains a generic message for all, and=20 then some personal information like user name and password. Is there=20 a good way to automate this with Exchange/Outlook? (By automate I=20 mean, send an individual email to each user with the generic message=20 and then insert their personal info.) Or do I need to go get a third=20 party utility to do this? Thanks for any help you can provide. =20 =20 Damian Scoles Senior Technical Analyst MCSE, CCNP, CNA, A+ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mo de=3D= lang=3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Yes, we did a phenomenal job for Marathon and Microsoft, without or knowledge, chose to include us in their case study about Marathon. http://www.infonition.com/marathon.shtml Interesting. =20 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 =20 =20 As a Microsoft Partner, does your company get any freebies? =20 =20 =20 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 =20 Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as=20 the hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your=20 decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all=20 of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain. =20 You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you=20 feel is and is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not=20 change the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict=20 of interest. Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. =20 My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = =3D=20 standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes=20 time to make=20 hiring =3D decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants,=20 how should I=20 proceed? Let's take =3D the example of an Exchange=20 deployment project.=20 =3D20 =20 First thing to be decided:=3D20 Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? =20 Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help=20 with =3D my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their=20 expertise somehow? =20 The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP=20 status is, IMO. =20 =3D You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box=20 tops, as one =3D can do to get an MCSE. =3D20 =20 You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will=20 automatically recommend technology from their masters *for=20 their own =3D=20 personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed=20 (to use him =3D as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already=20 made the =3D=20 decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best=20 person I can =3D find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for = their knowledge? =20 =20 =20 =20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchanget ext_mode=3Dlang =3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode=3D= lang=3D english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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First of all, I've seen plenty of statements by people who accurately depict reasons that your opinion is bunk. You've either not read or not comprehended them. I've seen your comments repeatedly over the years, and continue to disagree with them. Its also painfully obvious to a casual observer that you're using incorrect statements in defense of your position. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. While this is technically accurate, in fact it is inaccurate. Both these professions require licenses to practice. Lawyers who decide to cross a relatively arbitrary line involving a conflict of interest can and have been disbarred - in other words, their license to practice law is revoked. Doctors, too, can have their medical license suspended or revoked. In either case, they are not allowed to practice their profession without that license. Ergo, those professions' codes of ethics *are*, if somewhat indirect, law. Your most asinine statements, however, are your explicit statements that being awarded a vendor sponsored honor automatically removes any and all objectivity for those on whom the honor is bestowed. The fact that you repeatedly use that argument shows me how weak your argument really is, especially since you can't show a single instance of where this actually has happened. Because the MVP community is both under NDA's to Microsoft and also has private community newsgroups, you don't see that MVP's as a group are some of the most critical of Microsoft's products and policies. But none of that matters to you, because we're all just in Microsoft's pockets anyways. Its not like 12 of the 24 servers I've deployed this year run non-Microsoft OS's or anything.[1] So, I think its fair to say that you've not come even remotely close to proving to anyone where this alleged conflict of interest is, and how it negatively impacts our objectivity. And, in the interest of full disclosure, two of the three accolades in my signature line are from Microsoft, obviously the last two. The first (MTS) was bestowed by my employer. Does that mean I'm instantly biased towards my employer? Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. [1] 8 OpenBSD and 4 Linux, with 2 more Linux boxes due early next year -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, really. Laws are designed to define the floor. Ethics are designed to define the ceiling. No, I am simply someone that has a particular view of things that people seem to be utterly fascinated with and keep bringing it up. I am not a spokesman, I have an opinion. I have come to my conclusions about you because all I see is talk, talk, talk in your posts but nothing substantive. I have yet to see you make an intelligent comment or argument yet. A personal attack from me goes so much deeper, but I'll leave that be. On to bigger and brighter things!!! And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. Oh really! This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a legislative body. Now we're getting somewhere!!! Tell me Greg, are YOU the spokesman for the IT industry? Does the IT industry have party affiliations? Are Ed and the rest of the MVP's the Liberal's in this case where you're the Conservative? Who voted you to be the spokesman for the IT industry and why didn't I/we get to vote? Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your criticism,...(bunch of other shinola) Not educated on Ethics? Oh, I'm very educated in many things, IT just happens to be one of them. I'm just interested in how you came to these conclusions, actual facts to backup your statements, and anyone else who follows your beliefs if that is what you want to call them... NEXT! -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your criticism. And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws. This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
So Microsoft are unethical because they accepted payments from you? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: 17 December 2003 20:42 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, we pay Microsoft to be a partner and get freebies. As a Microsoft Partner, does your company get any freebies? -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as the hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain. You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you feel is and is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not change the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict of interest. Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes time to make hiring = decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants, how should I proceed? Let's take = the example of an Exchange deployment project. =20 First thing to be decided:=20 Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help with = my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their expertise somehow? The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP status is, IMO. = You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box tops, as one = can do to get an MCSE. =20 You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will automatically recommend technology from their masters *for their own = personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed (to use him = as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already made the = decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best person I can = find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for their knowledge? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
And, in the interest of full disclosure, two of the three accolades in my signature line are from Microsoft, obviously the last two. The first (MTS) was bestowed by my employer. Does that mean I'm instantly biased towards my employer? I'm biased towards my employer and they didn't even give me any initials. What a gyp! -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Schorr Sent: 17 December 2003 21:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 And, in the interest of full disclosure, two of the three accolades in my signature line are from Microsoft, obviously the last two. The first (MTS) was bestowed by my employer. Does that mean I'm instantly biased towards my employer? I'm biased towards my employer and they didn't even give me any initials. What a gyp! Have you spoke to a union about this? Shameful! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Then quit beating this dead horse -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I have no interest in winning. Can this thread please go away...You're not going to win Greg... _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Dude, STFU. --steve -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, we did a phenomenal job for Marathon and Microsoft, without or knowledge, chose to include us in their case study about Marathon. http://www.infonition.com/marathon.shtml Interesting. =20 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 =20 =20 As a Microsoft Partner, does your company get any freebies? =20 =20 =20 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 =20 Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as=20 the hiring body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your=20 decision and you do what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all=20 of decision making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain. =20 You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you=20 feel is and is not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not=20 change the situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict=20 of interest. Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you. =20 My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to = =3D=20 standardize on MS software at all levels. When it comes=20 time to make=20 hiring =3D decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants,=20 how should I=20 proceed? Let's take =3D the example of an Exchange=20 deployment project.=20 =3D20 =20 First thing to be decided:=3D20 Do I want a generic technologist? Do I want an unrelated technology guru? Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru? =20 Assuming I choose the last option: Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help=20 with =3D my deployment after reading some books? Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their=20 expertise somehow? =20 The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP=20 status is, IMO. =20 =3D You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box=20 tops, as one =3D can do to get an MCSE. =3D20 =20 You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will=20 automatically recommend technology from their masters *for=20 their own =3D=20 personal gain*. I don't see this being the case. If I'm hiring Ed=20 (to use him =3D as an example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already=20 made the =3D=20 decision to use that MS technology. At that point, I want the best=20 person I can =3D find and afford. Why hire a consultant, if not for = their knowledge? =20 =20 =20 =20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchanget ext_mode=3Dlang =3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchange text_mode=3D= lang=3D english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I thought Hawaii banned unions? -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Schorr Sent: 17 December 2003 21:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 And, in the interest of full disclosure, two of the three accolades in my signature line are from Microsoft, obviously the last two. The first (MTS) was bestowed by my employer. Does that mean I'm instantly biased towards my employer? I'm biased towards my employer and they didn't even give me any initials. What a gyp! Have you spoke to a union about this? Shameful! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't care who wins, I just wanna get out of the sand box and back into the classroom. John Parker, MCSE IS Admin. Senior Technical Specialist Alpha Display Systems. Alpha Video 7711 Computer Ave. Edina, MN. 55435 952-896-9898 Local 800-388-0008 Watts 952-896-9899 Fax 612-804-8769 Cell 952-841-3327 Direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be excellent to each other ---End of Line--- -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I thought Hawaii banned unions? -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Schorr Sent: 17 December 2003 21:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 And, in the interest of full disclosure, two of the three accolades in my signature line are from Microsoft, obviously the last two. The first (MTS) was bestowed by my employer. Does that mean I'm instantly biased towards my employer? I'm biased towards my employer and they didn't even give me any initials. What a gyp! Have you spoke to a union about this? Shameful! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
They were going to but the unions wouldn't allow it. (Hawaii, traditionally, is one of the most union-run states in the country. Up until his recent corruption conviction public union leader Gary Rodrigues was often referred to as the most powerful man in the state.) -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I thought Hawaii banned unions? -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Schorr Sent: 17 December 2003 21:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 And, in the interest of full disclosure, two of the three accolades in my signature line are from Microsoft, obviously the last two. The first (MTS) was bestowed by my employer. Does that mean I'm instantly biased towards my employer? I'm biased towards my employer and they didn't even give me any initials. What a gyp! Have you spoke to a union about this? Shameful! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
