RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Matt]

I thought trend scamail for exchange can handle is stores. I just
installed trend scanmail for exchange 2k and so far I think I'm quite
happy with it.
We bought the suite so next week will start installing the spam
filters. Any tips from the current users of scanmail a newbie should
know. 

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Veld, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't blindly recommend anything, except maybe my wife's three cheese
pasta in a pot...sounds good, can you send me some via email?

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 22 August 2003 4:58 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I don't blindly recommend anything, except maybe my wife's three cheese
pasta in a pot.

But on the technical side of things, I had a BE installation that would
pop up at times and fail a backup telling me the Exchange database was
corrupted. Management told me to prove it using something else besides
the BE report. There were no Event log indications, user's were able to
send and receive mail, but when we attempted to move the mailboxes to a
replacement machine in the same site, the wheels fell off, the tranny
fell out and the engine just blew a cork.  The last good backup had
migrated out of the rotation and we ended up loosing about half the data
for about 125 users.

Management listened afterwards.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:50 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Thanks, John.  I didn't want to come across as harsh, I just wanted you
to provide some reasoning for why you felt that way.  I've seen so many
posts here and elsewhere blindly recommending to folks that they should
run eseutil and/or isinteg, etc., when the poster has no clue how
powerful those tools are or what they really do.  I'm not inferring
that's what you did, but that is where I am coming from.

I will take a closer look at the store, but I am still of the opinion
that the Symantec product is at fault.   


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the
server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
developed. In this case, your message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back
it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Ben Winzenz]

Yes, Scanmail for Exchange is Trend's product that scans
incoming/outgoing e-mail.

As far as Spam filters, you just need to be careful of what the actions
are.  When we used Symantec AV/Filtering on our Exchange server and
enabled the filtering, it was quarantining everything.  You could either
quarantine, or leave it alone.  Problem was when it quarantined it, it
ripped the message apart, so if we wanted to release a quarantined
message, it wasn't in the same format. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Friday, August 22, 2003 8:46 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I thought trend scamail for exchange can handle is stores. I just
installed trend scanmail for exchange 2k and so far I think I'm quite
happy with it.
We bought the suite so next week will start installing the spam filters.
Any tips from the current users of scanmail a newbie should know. 

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Veld, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't blindly recommend anything, except maybe my wife's three cheese
pasta in a pot...sounds good, can you send me some via email?

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 22 August 2003 4:58 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I don't blindly recommend anything, except maybe my wife's three cheese
pasta in a pot.

But on the technical side of things, I had a BE installation that would
pop up at times and fail a backup telling me the Exchange database was
corrupted. Management told me to prove it using something else besides
the BE report. There were no Event log indications, user's were able to
send and receive mail, but when we attempted to move the mailboxes to a
replacement machine in the same site, the wheels fell off, the tranny
fell out and the engine just blew a cork.  The last good backup had
migrated out of the rotation and we ended up loosing about half the data
for about 125 users.

Management listened afterwards.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:50 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Thanks, John.  I didn't want to come across as harsh, I just wanted you
to provide some reasoning for why you felt that way.  I've seen so many
posts here and elsewhere blindly recommending to folks that they should
run eseutil and/or isinteg, etc., when the poster has no clue how
powerful those tools are or what they really do.  I'm not inferring
that's what you did, but that is where I am coming from.

I will take a closer look at the store, but I am still of the opinion
that the Symantec product is at fault.   


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the
server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
developed. In this case, your message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back
it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Brian Dugas]

Trend eManager(SPAM software) does not rip apart the messages, simply
quarantines them.
You simply need to create a new Exchange user folder and quarantine all
email to that folder.
Then you can review them and forward onto anyone if the quarantine was a
false positive.

Our works great, especially this latest virus, we put all the subject lines
from the virus in the filter and no one received any SPAM from the virus, or
an Trend protected us from getting infected from the virus.

Great product. 



___
Brian 


-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 12:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Yes, Scanmail for Exchange is Trend's product that scans incoming/outgoing
e-mail.

As far as Spam filters, you just need to be careful of what the actions are.
When we used Symantec AV/Filtering on our Exchange server and enabled the
filtering, it was quarantining everything.  You could either quarantine, or
leave it alone.  Problem was when it quarantined it, it ripped the message
apart, so if we wanted to release a quarantined message, it wasn't in the
same format. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Friday, August 22, 2003
8:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I thought trend scamail for exchange can handle is stores. I just
installed trend scanmail for exchange 2k and so far I think I'm quite
happy with it.
We bought the suite so next week will start installing the spam filters.
Any tips from the current users of scanmail a newbie should know. 

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Veld, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't blindly recommend anything, except maybe my wife's three cheese
pasta in a pot...sounds good, can you send me some via email?

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 22 August 2003 4:58 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I don't blindly recommend anything, except maybe my wife's three cheese
pasta in a pot.

But on the technical side of things, I had a BE installation that would
pop up at times and fail a backup telling me the Exchange database was
corrupted. Management told me to prove it using something else besides
the BE report. There were no Event log indications, user's were able to
send and receive mail, but when we attempted to move the mailboxes to a
replacement machine in the same site, the wheels fell off, the tranny
fell out and the engine just blew a cork.  The last good backup had
migrated out of the rotation and we ended up loosing about half the data
for about 125 users.

Management listened afterwards.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:50 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Thanks, John.  I didn't want to come across as harsh, I just wanted you
to provide some reasoning for why you felt that way.  I've seen so many
posts here and elsewhere blindly recommending to folks that they should
run eseutil and/or isinteg, etc., when the poster has no clue how
powerful those tools are or what they really do.  I'm not inferring
that's what you did, but that is where I am coming from.

I will take a closer look at the store, but I am still of the opinion
that the Symantec product is at fault.   


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the
server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
developed. In this case, your message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Dryden, Karen]

We have 3.  McAfee all the way.

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with 
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec 
and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS 
stores too. How many have 3 levels.

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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[John Matteson]

I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the
server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
developed. In this case, your message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM
Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back
it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
Desktop.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
protect the IS stores too. How many have 3 levels.

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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Lawrence, Mitchell]

He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the
server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
developed. In this case, your message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM
Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back
it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
Desktop.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
protect the IS stores too. How many have 3 levels.

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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Roger Seielstad]

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:35 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?
 
 Thank you,
 Mitchell D. Lawrence
 Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
 **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
 based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
 time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, 
 etc) then the
 server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
 look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
 developed. In this case, your message databases.
 
 -1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
 database.
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM
 Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
 make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
 any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
 re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
 not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.
 
 If you are going to make a claim such as I should run 
 maintenance, back
 it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
 corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
 Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 Ben:
 
   Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
 about running maintenance on the server?
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
 Discussion List
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's 
 product for
 Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up 
 the server
 a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I 
 removed all AV
 off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
 I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
 scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
 Desktop.
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
 Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
 systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are 
 comfortable with
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
 Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
 protect the IS stores too. How many have 3 levels.
 
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Ben Winzenz]

Thanks, John.  I didn't want to come across as harsh, I just wanted you
to provide some reasoning for why you felt that way.  I've seen so many
posts here and elsewhere blindly recommending to folks that they should
run eseutil and/or isinteg, etc., when the poster has no clue how
powerful those tools are or what they really do.  I'm not inferring
that's what you did, but that is where I am coming from.

I will take a closer look at the store, but I am still of the opinion
that the Symantec product is at fault.   


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the
server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
developed. In this case, your message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back
it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
Desktop.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Lawrence, Mitchell]

If that were the case Ben, those of us who run Symantec products both
against the mailstore and as file based would have problems, would we
not? No problems here...

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Thanks, John.  I didn't want to come across as harsh, I just wanted you
to provide some reasoning for why you felt that way.  I've seen so many
posts here and elsewhere blindly recommending to folks that they should
run eseutil and/or isinteg, etc., when the poster has no clue how
powerful those tools are or what they really do.  I'm not inferring
that's what you did, but that is where I am coming from.

I will take a closer look at the store, but I am still of the opinion
that the Symantec product is at fault.   


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the
server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
developed. In this case, your message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back
it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
Desktop.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
protect the IS stores too. How many have 3 levels.

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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Ben Winzenz]

Bite me.  If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases
just because I think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning
why I thought it was corrupt, would you?  I certainly won't.

John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out
answer.  You, however, seem to have no clue. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the
server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
developed. In this case, your message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back
it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
Desktop.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Lawrence, Mitchell]

What an asshole

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Bite me.  If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases
just because I think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning
why I thought it was corrupt, would you?  I certainly won't.

John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out
answer.  You, however, seem to have no clue. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the
server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
developed. In this case, your message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back
it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
Desktop.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Tony Hlabse]

Boy, I am going to have to say a Rosary for both you guys.

From: Lawrence, Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:56:42 -0500
What an asshole

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**
-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Bite me.  If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases
just because I think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning
why I thought it was corrupt, would you?  I certainly won't.
John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out
answer.  You, however, seem to have no clue.
Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418
-Original Message-
From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**
-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the
server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
developed. In this case, your message databases.
-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.
John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.


-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.
If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back
it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.
Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418
-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?
John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.


-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
Desktop.
Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418
-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
systems.
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
protect the IS stores too. How many have 3 levels.
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Lawrence, Mitchell]

You are right Tony, What I should have said is:

Boy what a prick, *ploink* goes the asshole.

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Boy, I am going to have to say a Rosary for both you guys.


From: Lawrence, Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:56:42 -0500

What an asshole

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Bite me.  If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases
just because I think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning
why I thought it was corrupt, would you?  I certainly won't.

John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out
answer.  You, however, seem to have no clue.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the
server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
developed. In this case, your message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back
it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
Desktop.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
systems.
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
protect the IS stores too. How many have 3

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Roger Seielstad]

I can say with absolute certainty that Ben is *not* an a-hole. He did learn
a few too many things from me[1], but he's not an a-hole.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.

[1] A few of which were actually good


 -Original Message-
 From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:57 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 What an asshole
 
 Thank you,
 Mitchell D. Lawrence
 Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
 **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 Bite me.  If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases
 just because I think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning
 why I thought it was corrupt, would you?  I certainly won't.
 
 John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out
 answer.  You, however, seem to have no clue. 
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM
 Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?
 
 Thank you,
 Mitchell D. Lawrence
 Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
 **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
 based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
 time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, 
 etc) then the
 server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
 look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
 developed. In this case, your message databases.
 
 -1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
 database.
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
 Discussion List
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
 make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
 any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
 re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
 not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.
 
 If you are going to make a claim such as I should run 
 maintenance, back
 it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
 corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
 Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 Ben:
 
   Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
 about running maintenance on the server?
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
 Discussion List
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's 
 product for
 Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up 
 the server
 a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I 
 removed all AV
 off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
 I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
 scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
 Desktop.
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
 Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
 systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are 
 comfortable with
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
 Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Lawrence, Mitchell]

Well his attitude says otherwise. Very defensive to what seemed like a
reasonable QUESTION, not a directive. When I noted that defensiveness he
jumps down my throat? The world doesn't need any more loose cannons like
this.

I have ploinked the fool. Any further discussions about him can be
private, but don't pollute the message list further.

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I can say with absolute certainty that Ben is *not* an a-hole. He did
learn
a few too many things from me[1], but he's not an a-hole.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.

[1] A few of which were actually good


 -Original Message-
 From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:57 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 What an asshole
 
 Thank you,
 Mitchell D. Lawrence
 Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
 **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 Bite me.  If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases
 just because I think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning
 why I thought it was corrupt, would you?  I certainly won't.
 
 John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out
 answer.  You, however, seem to have no clue. 
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM
 Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?
 
 Thank you,
 Mitchell D. Lawrence
 Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
 **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
 based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
 time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, 
 etc) then the
 server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
 look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
 developed. In this case, your message databases.
 
 -1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
 database.
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
 Discussion List
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
 make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
 any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
 re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
 not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.
 
 If you are going to make a claim such as I should run 
 maintenance, back
 it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
 corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
 Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 Ben:
 
   Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
 about running maintenance on the server?
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
 Discussion List
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's 
 product for
 Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up 
 the server
 a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I 
 removed all AV
 off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
 I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
 scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Ben Winzenz]

So you don't think that a particular product can have problems on one
system and not another?  That's a pretty weak argument.

I don't have any problems running it like this, so you shouldn't.

Being a Network Administrator, you of all people should know that
problems are sometimes hit and miss.  How many times have you seen 10
identical desktops and 1 is having problems for no reason whereas the
other 9 are fine.  Or if you have ever deployed an app via GPO, and 99
out of 100 machines take it, but the other 1 it does not deploy to.

There may be a difference in the way I set my server up from yours.  My
network environment is likely different.  I could have chosen different
options in the Symantec GUI.  Fact is, you don't have a clue how my
environment is set up, so put a sock in it unless you have something
truly useful to say.

And calling me names really hurts my wittle feewings.  I think I am
going to run to my room and cry for a while.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:52 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


If that were the case Ben, those of us who run Symantec products both
against the mailstore and as file based would have problems, would we
not? No problems here...

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Thanks, John.  I didn't want to come across as harsh, I just wanted you
to provide some reasoning for why you felt that way.  I've seen so many
posts here and elsewhere blindly recommending to folks that they should
run eseutil and/or isinteg, etc., when the poster has no clue how
powerful those tools are or what they really do.  I'm not inferring
that's what you did, but that is where I am coming from.

I will take a closer look at the store, but I am still of the opinion
that the Symantec product is at fault.   


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday,
August 21, 2003 8:32 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the
server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
developed. In this case, your message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back
it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
scanners.  Now, we are only

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Ben Winzenz]

What was a reasonable question?  I totally missed that.  John's original
post said he thought I ought to consider running maintenance (usually
eseutil or isinteg).  No reasoning why.  I don't like to run powerful
maintenance tools against my server unless I have a good reason why.  I
asked John to tell me why he thought I should run maintenance and he
responded with why he thought there was a possibility that I had a
problem with my store.  I haven't seen John post anything that says I
was too defensive.  Quite the contrary.  When I responded asking him to
state why he thought I had corruption (or possible corruption), he
responded with why.  For that I responded back and thanked him for his
thoughts.  Had you posted something useful or well though out, I likely
would have responded the same way.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:05 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Well his attitude says otherwise. Very defensive to what seemed like a
reasonable QUESTION, not a directive. When I noted that defensiveness he
jumps down my throat? The world doesn't need any more loose cannons like
this.

I have ploinked the fool. Any further discussions about him can be
private, but don't pollute the message list further.

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I can say with absolute certainty that Ben is *not* an a-hole. He did
learn a few too many things from me[1], but he's not an a-hole.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.

[1] A few of which were actually good


 -Original Message-
 From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:57 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 What an asshole
 
 Thank you,
 Mitchell D. Lawrence
 Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
 **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 Bite me.  If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases 
 just because I think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning

 why I thought it was corrupt, would you?  I certainly won't.
 
 John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out

 answer.  You, however, seem to have no clue.
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: 
 Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?
 
 Thank you,
 Mitchell D. Lawrence
 Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
 **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file 
 based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long 
 time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server,
 etc) then the
 server starts working again when you take the product off, you should 
 look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have 
 developed. In this case, your message databases.
 
 -1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the 
 database.
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange 
 Discussion List
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to

 make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of 
 any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not 
 re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did

 not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.
 
 If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, 
 back it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have 
 database corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Slinger, Gary]

Observation:

Messages in my Exch-Swynk folder since 2003-01-15: 8278
Posts from Ben Winzenz, mostly answering questions: 68
Posts from Mitchell Lawrence, just attacking Ben: 4

'nuff said. 

-Original Message-
From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:01
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

You are right Tony, What I should have said is:

Boy what a prick, *ploink* goes the asshole.

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Boy, I am going to have to say a Rosary for both you guys.


From: Lawrence, Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:56:42 -0500

What an asshole

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Bite me.  If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases just
because I think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning why I
thought it was corrupt, would you?  I certainly won't.

John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out
answer.  You, however, seem to have no clue.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At:
Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file based
AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long time, then
suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the server starts
working again when you take the product off, you should look at the points
of intersection as to where a problem may have developed. In this case, your
message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to make
that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of any kind
that point to any database errors.  The problem has not re-occurred since
removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did not have the file-level
AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back it
up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday,
August 20, 2003 8:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion
List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server a
couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV off
our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes, I'm not
stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based scanners.
Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and Desktop.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, August
20, 2003 7:39 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Ely, Don]

And we don't even want to get into my observation of the whole thing...

FWIW Mitchell, one ought not act like an a$$ if one expects to be left
alone.  And I mean that in oh so many ways that you couldn't even begin to
fathom...

FWIW Ben, looks like you've got it covered, but lemme know if you need
anything ;) 

-Original Message-
From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:07 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Observation:

Messages in my Exch-Swynk folder since 2003-01-15: 8278 Posts from Ben
Winzenz, mostly answering questions: 68 Posts from Mitchell Lawrence, just
attacking Ben: 4

'nuff said. 

-Original Message-
From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:01
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

You are right Tony, What I should have said is:

Boy what a prick, *ploink* goes the asshole.

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Boy, I am going to have to say a Rosary for both you guys.


From: Lawrence, Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:56:42 -0500

What an asshole

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Bite me.  If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases just
because I think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning why I
thought it was corrupt, would you?  I certainly won't.

John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out
answer.  You, however, seem to have no clue.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At:
Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file based
AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long time, then
suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the server starts
working again when you take the product off, you should look at the points
of intersection as to where a problem may have developed. In this case, your
message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to make
that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of any kind
that point to any database errors.  The problem has not re-occurred since
removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did not have the file-level
AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back it
up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday,
August 20, 2003 8:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion
List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server a
couple of times.  I can't prove

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Robert Moir]

Well you certainly are persuasive.

*plonk* 

 -Original Message-
 From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 21 August 2003 14:57
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 What an asshole
 
 Thank you,
 Mitchell D. Lawrence
 Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
 **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 Bite me.  If I told you that you should run eseutil on your 
 databases just because I think your database is corrupt, 
 without any reasoning why I thought it was corrupt, would 
 you?  I certainly won't.
 
 John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well 
 though out answer.  You, however, seem to have no clue. 
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM Posted To: 
 Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?
 
 Thank you,
 Mitchell D. Lawrence
 Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
 **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
 based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
 time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, 
 etc) then the
 server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
 look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
 developed. In this case, your message databases.
 
 -1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
 database.
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
 Discussion List
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
 make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
 any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
 re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
 not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.
 
 If you are going to make a claim such as I should run 
 maintenance, back
 it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
 corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
 Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 Ben:
 
   Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
 about running maintenance on the server?
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
 Discussion List
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's 
 product for
 Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up 
 the server
 a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I 
 removed all AV
 off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
 I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
 scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
 Desktop.
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
 Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
 systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are 
 comfortable with
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
 Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
 protect the IS stores too. How many have 3 levels.
 
 _
 bGet MSN 8/b and help protect your children with advanced parental
 controls.  http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Ely, Don]

And so it begins...

At least Robert spelled *plonk* correctly...  G 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Well you certainly are persuasive.

*plonk* 

 -Original Message-
 From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 21 August 2003 14:57
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 What an asshole
 
 Thank you,
 Mitchell D. Lawrence
 Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
 **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 Bite me.  If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases 
 just because I think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning 
 why I thought it was corrupt, would you?  I certainly won't.
 
 John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out 
 answer.  You, however, seem to have no clue.
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: 
 Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM Posted To:
 Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?
 
 Thank you,
 Mitchell D. Lawrence
 Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
 **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file 
 based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long 
 time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server,
 etc) then the
 server starts working again when you take the product off, you should 
 look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have 
 developed. In this case, your message databases.
 
 -1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the 
 database.
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange 
 Discussion List
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to 
 make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of 
 any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not 
 re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did 
 not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.
 
 If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, 
 back it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have 
 database corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: 
 Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 Ben:
 
   Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about 
 running maintenance on the server?
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange 
 Discussion List
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product 
 for Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the 
 server a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I 
 removed all AV off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem 
 since.  And yes, I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr 
 directories with file-based scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  
 SAV for SMTP Gateways, and Desktop.
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
 Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
 systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are 
 comfortable with
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
 Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
 protect

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Hutchins, Mike]

lmao 

-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:31 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

And so it begins...

At least Robert spelled *plonk* correctly...  G 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Well you certainly are persuasive.

*plonk* 

 -Original Message-
 From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 21 August 2003 14:57
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 What an asshole
 
 Thank you,
 Mitchell D. Lawrence
 Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
 **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 Bite me.  If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases 
 just because I think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning

 why I thought it was corrupt, would you?  I certainly won't.
 
 John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out

 answer.  You, however, seem to have no clue.
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: 
 Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM Posted To:
 Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?
 
 Thank you,
 Mitchell D. Lawrence
 Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
 **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file 
 based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long 
 time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server,
 etc) then the
 server starts working again when you take the product off, you should 
 look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have 
 developed. In this case, your message databases.
 
 -1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the 
 database.
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange 
 Discussion List
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to

 make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of 
 any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not 
 re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did

 not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.
 
 If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, 
 back it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have 
 database corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: 
 Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 Ben:
 
   Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about 
 running maintenance on the server?
 
 John Matteson
 Geac Corporate ISS
 (404) 239 - 2981
 Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange 
 Discussion List
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product 
 for Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the 
 server a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I 
 removed all AV off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem 
 since.  And yes, I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr 
 directories with file-based scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.
 SAV for SMTP Gateways, and Desktop.
 
 
 Ben Winzenz
 Network Engineer
 Gardner  White
 (317) 581-1580 ext 418
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, 
 August 20, 2003 7:39 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
 Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email 
 systems.
 My current assignment has me at a place

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Robert Moir]

I try to lead by example.


 -Original Message-
 From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 21 August 2003 15:31
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 And so it begins...
 
 At least Robert spelled *plonk* correctly...  G 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:31 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 Well you certainly are persuasive.
 
 *plonk* 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 21 August 2003 14:57
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  
  What an asshole
  
  Thank you,
  Mitchell D. Lawrence
  Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
  **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  
  Bite me.  If I told you that you should run eseutil on your 
 databases 
  just because I think your database is corrupt, without 
 any reasoning 
  why I thought it was corrupt, would you?  I certainly won't.
  
  John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well 
 though out 
  answer.  You, however, seem to have no clue.
  
  
  Ben Winzenz
  Network Engineer
  Gardner  White
  (317) 581-1580 ext 418
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Posted At: 
  Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM Posted To:
  Exchange (Swynk)
  Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  
  
  He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?
  
  Thank you,
  Mitchell D. Lawrence
  Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
  **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**
  
  -Original Message-
  From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  
  I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files 
 with a file 
  based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs 
 for a long 
  time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server,
  etc) then the
  server starts working again when you take the product off, 
 you should 
  look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have 
  developed. In this case, your message databases.
  
  -1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the 
  database.
  
  John Matteson
  Geac Corporate ISS
  (404) 239 - 2981
  Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange 
  Discussion List
  Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  
  
  I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what 
 leads you to 
  make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no 
 event logs of 
  any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not 
  re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said 
 before, I did 
  not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.
  
  If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, 
  back it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have 
  database corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.
  
  
  Ben Winzenz
  Network Engineer
  Gardner  White
  (317) 581-1580 ext 418
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: 
  Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
  Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  
  
  Ben:
  
  Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
 about 
  running maintenance on the server?
  
  John Matteson
  Geac Corporate ISS
  (404) 239 - 2981
  Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange 
  Discussion List
  Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  
  
  We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product 
  for Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) 
 locked up the 
  server a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I 
  removed all AV off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem 
  since.  And yes, I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr 
  directories with file-based scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.
  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and Desktop.
  
  
  Ben Winzenz
  Network Engineer
  Gardner  White
  (317) 581-1580 ext 418
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: 
 Wednesday, 
  August 20, 2003 7:39 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
  Conversation: 3

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Ely, Don]

Mitchell seems to like leading with his arse... 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I try to lead by example.


 -Original Message-
 From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 21 August 2003 15:31
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 And so it begins...
 
 At least Robert spelled *plonk* correctly...  G
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:31 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 Well you certainly are persuasive.
 
 *plonk*
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 21 August 2003 14:57
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  
  What an asshole
  
  Thank you,
  Mitchell D. Lawrence
  Network Administrator/Systems Analyst **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick 
  Two)**
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  
  Bite me.  If I told you that you should run eseutil on your
 databases
  just because I think your database is corrupt, without
 any reasoning
  why I thought it was corrupt, would you?  I certainly won't.
  
  John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well
 though out
  answer.  You, however, seem to have no clue.
  
  
  Ben Winzenz
  Network Engineer
  Gardner  White
  (317) 581-1580 ext 418
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Posted At: 
  Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM Posted To:
  Exchange (Swynk)
  Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  
  
  He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?
  
  Thank you,
  Mitchell D. Lawrence
  Network Administrator/Systems Analyst **Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick 
  Two)**
  
  -Original Message-
  From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  
  I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files
 with a file
  based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs
 for a long
  time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server,
  etc) then the
  server starts working again when you take the product off,
 you should
  look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have 
  developed. In this case, your message databases.
  
  -1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the 
  database.
  
  John Matteson
  Geac Corporate ISS
  (404) 239 - 2981
  Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange 
  Discussion List
  Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  
  
  I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what
 leads you to
  make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no
 event logs of
  any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not 
  re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said
 before, I did
  not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.
  
  If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, 
  back it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have 
  database corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.
  
  
  Ben Winzenz
  Network Engineer
  Gardner  White
  (317) 581-1580 ext 418
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: 
  Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
  Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  
  
  Ben:
  
  Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
 about
  running maintenance on the server?
  
  John Matteson
  Geac Corporate ISS
  (404) 239 - 2981
  Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange 
  Discussion List
  Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
  
  
  We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product 
  for Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level)
 locked up the
  server a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I 
  removed all AV off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem 
  since.  And yes, I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr 
  directories with file-based scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.
  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and Desktop.
  
  
  Ben Winzenz
  Network Engineer
  Gardner

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Blunt, James H (Jim)]

Aye Carumba!  

Don, I'd hate to have you or any one of about two dozen other people on this
list mad at me.  I think I'd just go unplug my whole network from the
Internet, if I was ever stupid enough to let that happen!  :0)

-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:20 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


And we don't even want to get into my observation of the whole thing...

FWIW Mitchell, one ought not act like an a$$ if one expects to be left
alone.  And I mean that in oh so many ways that you couldn't even begin to
fathom...

FWIW Ben, looks like you've got it covered, but lemme know if you need
anything ;) 

-Original Message-
From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:07 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Observation:

Messages in my Exch-Swynk folder since 2003-01-15: 8278 Posts from Ben
Winzenz, mostly answering questions: 68 Posts from Mitchell Lawrence, just
attacking Ben: 4

'nuff said. 

-Original Message-
From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:01
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

You are right Tony, What I should have said is:

Boy what a prick, *ploink* goes the asshole.

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Boy, I am going to have to say a Rosary for both you guys.


From: Lawrence, Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:56:42 -0500

What an asshole

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Bite me.  If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases just
because I think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning why I
thought it was corrupt, would you?  I certainly won't.

John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out
answer.  You, however, seem to have no clue.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At:
Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file based
AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long time, then
suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the server starts
working again when you take the product off, you should look at the points
of intersection as to where a problem may have developed. In this case, your
message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to make
that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of any kind
that point to any database errors.  The problem has not re-occurred since
removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did not have the file-level
AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back it
up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday,
August 20, 2003 8:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Ely, Don]

Moi?  :P 

-Original Message-
From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:04 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Aye Carumba!  

Don, I'd hate to have you or any one of about two dozen other people on this
list mad at me.  I think I'd just go unplug my whole network from the
Internet, if I was ever stupid enough to let that happen!  :0)

-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:20 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


And we don't even want to get into my observation of the whole thing...

FWIW Mitchell, one ought not act like an a$$ if one expects to be left
alone.  And I mean that in oh so many ways that you couldn't even begin to
fathom...

FWIW Ben, looks like you've got it covered, but lemme know if you need
anything ;) 

-Original Message-
From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:07 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Observation:

Messages in my Exch-Swynk folder since 2003-01-15: 8278 Posts from Ben
Winzenz, mostly answering questions: 68 Posts from Mitchell Lawrence, just
attacking Ben: 4

'nuff said. 

-Original Message-
From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:01
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

You are right Tony, What I should have said is:

Boy what a prick, *ploink* goes the asshole.

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Boy, I am going to have to say a Rosary for both you guys.


From: Lawrence, Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:56:42 -0500

What an asshole

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Bite me.  If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases just
because I think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning why I
thought it was corrupt, would you?  I certainly won't.

John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out
answer.  You, however, seem to have no clue.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At:
Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file based
AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long time, then
suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the server starts
working again when you take the product off, you should look at the points
of intersection as to where a problem may have developed. In this case, your
message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to make
that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of any kind
that point to any database errors.  The problem has not re-occurred since
removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did not have the file-level
AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back it
up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday,
August 20, 2003 8:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Chinnery, Paul]

Yeah, Don isn't as quick as some to comment, but he can be pretty brutal when ho does.

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:04 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Aye Carumba!  

Don, I'd hate to have you or any one of about two dozen other people on this
list mad at me.  I think I'd just go unplug my whole network from the
Internet, if I was ever stupid enough to let that happen!  :0)

-Original Message-
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:20 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


And we don't even want to get into my observation of the whole thing...

FWIW Mitchell, one ought not act like an a$$ if one expects to be left
alone.  And I mean that in oh so many ways that you couldn't even begin to
fathom...

FWIW Ben, looks like you've got it covered, but lemme know if you need
anything ;) 

-Original Message-
From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:07 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Observation:

Messages in my Exch-Swynk folder since 2003-01-15: 8278 Posts from Ben
Winzenz, mostly answering questions: 68 Posts from Mitchell Lawrence, just
attacking Ben: 4

'nuff said. 

-Original Message-
From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:01
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

You are right Tony, What I should have said is:

Boy what a prick, *ploink* goes the asshole.

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Boy, I am going to have to say a Rosary for both you guys.


From: Lawrence, Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:56:42 -0500

What an asshole

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Bite me.  If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases just
because I think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning why I
thought it was corrupt, would you?  I certainly won't.

John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out
answer.  You, however, seem to have no clue.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At:
Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?

Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
**Good|Cheap|Fast (Pick Two)**

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file based
AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long time, then
suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the server starts
working again when you take the product off, you should look at the points
of intersection as to where a problem may have developed. In this case, your
message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to make
that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of any kind
that point to any database errors.  The problem has not re-occurred since
removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did not have the file-level
AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back it
up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday,
August 20, 2003 8:46 AM Posted

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Earle, Simon]

This company has three levels of protection, it didn't stop Sobig getting
in, but it has stopped it getting back out again!



-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 20 August 2003 13:39
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with 
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec 
and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS 
stores too. How many have 3 levels.

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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[John Matteson]

I don't blindly recommend anything, except maybe my wife's three cheese
pasta in a pot.

But on the technical side of things, I had a BE installation that would
pop up at times and fail a backup telling me the Exchange database was
corrupted. Management told me to prove it using something else besides
the BE report. There were no Event log indications, user's were able to
send and receive mail, but when we attempted to move the mailboxes to a
replacement machine in the same site, the wheels fell off, the tranny
fell out and the engine just blew a cork.  The last good backup had
migrated out of the rotation and we ended up loosing about half the data
for about 125 users.

Management listened afterwards.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:50 AM
Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Thanks, John.  I didn't want to come across as harsh, I just wanted you
to provide some reasoning for why you felt that way.  I've seen so many
posts here and elsewhere blindly recommending to folks that they should
run eseutil and/or isinteg, etc., when the poster has no clue how
powerful those tools are or what they really do.  I'm not inferring
that's what you did, but that is where I am coming from.

I will take a closer look at the store, but I am still of the opinion
that the Symantec product is at fault.   


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the
server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
developed. In this case, your message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back
it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
Desktop.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
protect the IS stores too. How many have 3 levels

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Robert Moir]

Its probably worth noting that installing the same scanner in 3 places is not 3 layers 
of protection, its the same layer of protection 3 times. Not quite the same thing. 
 
If your vendor's scanner engine has a problem picking up a certain type of malware, or 
their dat files are slow in coming, you haven't done much for yourself by having their 
product installed in 3 different places. It doesn't matter how many metal detectors I 
walk through in an airport if the item i'm smuggling onto the plane is non-metallic.
 
And no software is perfect including antivirus software, so *all* scanners, even the 
ones we all regard as best of breed, will at some time have a problem spotting a new 
kind of malware stealth method, or the scanner's updates will be a bit slow one 
arriving one day.
 
Regards
Rob
 

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From: Earle, Simon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thu 21/08/2003 13:32 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.



This company has three levels of protection, it didn't stop Sobig getting
in, but it has stopped it getting back out again!



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I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems.
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Veld, Paul]

I don't blindly recommend anything, except maybe my wife's three cheese
pasta in a pot...sounds good, can you send me some via email?

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From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 22 August 2003 4:58 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I don't blindly recommend anything, except maybe my wife's three cheese
pasta in a pot.

But on the technical side of things, I had a BE installation that would
pop up at times and fail a backup telling me the Exchange database was
corrupted. Management told me to prove it using something else besides
the BE report. There were no Event log indications, user's were able to
send and receive mail, but when we attempted to move the mailboxes to a
replacement machine in the same site, the wheels fell off, the tranny
fell out and the engine just blew a cork.  The last good backup had
migrated out of the rotation and we ended up loosing about half the data
for about 125 users.

Management listened afterwards.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



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From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:50 AM Posted To: Exchange
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Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Thanks, John.  I didn't want to come across as harsh, I just wanted you
to provide some reasoning for why you felt that way.  I've seen so many
posts here and elsewhere blindly recommending to folks that they should
run eseutil and/or isinteg, etc., when the poster has no clue how
powerful those tools are or what they really do.  I'm not inferring
that's what you did, but that is where I am coming from.

I will take a closer look at the store, but I am still of the opinion
that the Symantec product is at fault.   


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file
based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long
time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the
server starts working again when you take the product off, you should
look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have
developed. In this case, your message databases.

-1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the
database.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



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Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange
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Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back
it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
Desktop.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how

RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Woodruff, Michael]

We only run a 2 tier AV protection as well.  Mailsweeper at the Gateway
and Sophos on the Desktops.  We are looking into Sophos for Exchange,
but I'm not sure we even need it.  Our level of detection and protection
so far has been outstanding. 

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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Paul Hutchings]

We use two, Scanmail on the Exchange boxes and F-Prot on one of our
gateways.  

In fairness Scanmail's never missed anything, but for $20 it seemed sensible
to double-up.

Not sure I'd be comfortable not scanning internal IS traffic though?

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 -Original Message-
 From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 20 August 2003 13:39
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their 
 email systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are 
 comfortable with 
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. 
 Desktop is Symantec 
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also 
 protect the IS 
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.
 
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Tony Hlabse]

My feeling is somehow someone could not get the update from Symantec on the 
desktop side, for what ever reason, then that person send and infected 
messagel to one of the stores in the Exchange group then wham.

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:45:24 +0100
We use two, Scanmail on the Exchange boxes and F-Prot on one of our
gateways.
In fairness Scanmail's never missed anything, but for $20 it seemed sensible
to double-up.
Not sure I'd be comfortable not scanning internal IS traffic though?

regards,
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 -Original Message-
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 Sent: 20 August 2003 13:39
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their
 email systems.
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are
 comfortable with
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam.
 Desktop is Symantec
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
 protect the IS
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.

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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Couch, Nate]

We have three on most of our customers.  

Nate Couch
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 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
 To:   Exchange Discussions
 Subject:  3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
 systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with 
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 Symantec 
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS 
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Martin Blackstone]

We do. We have an SMTP AV gateway/Anti SPAM box. Exchange AV. Desktop and
Server AV.

Remember, if a VPN or dialup user opens their hotmail at home and launches a
virus, its going straight for the OL contacts via Exchange. An SMTP gateway
isnt going to help you one bit. The desktop MAY catch it.

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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec
and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Tony Hlabse]

Good point

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We do. We have an SMTP AV gateway/Anti SPAM box. Exchange AV. Desktop and
Server AV.
Remember, if a VPN or dialup user opens their hotmail at home and launches a
virus, its going straight for the OL contacts via Exchange. An SMTP gateway
isnt going to help you one bit. The desktop MAY catch it.
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Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems.
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Edgington, Jeff]

Three here as well.

Sybari running Sophos engine on the protocol servers (all SMTP mail
passes through them, they are in an NLB cluster)

Mailbox Servers have Sybari with Norman Data Defense

Desktops have NAI McAfee

(Spam is marked by spam assassin on a couple of Linux boxes that sit in
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Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We have three on most of our customers.  

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

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 From: Tony Hlabse
 Reply To: Exchange Discussions
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
 To:   Exchange Discussions
 Subject:  3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
 systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable
with 
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
 Symantec 
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the
IS 
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.
 
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Nick Field]

We use 3.

We use Sophos on the mail gateway (MailSweeper), NAV MSE at server level,
NAV CE (excluding Exch) then NAV CE at desktop.

Despite MailSweeper blocking/quarantining 99.999% of everything we ask it
to, I have seen the odd thing get through.
We also get the odd 'prat' that 'bypasses' policy and brings something in
from outside

Nick 


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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Ben Winzenz]

We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
Desktop.


Ben Winzenz
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Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


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Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
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Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[John Matteson]

Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
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Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
Desktop.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
protect the IS stores too. How many have 3 levels.

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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Pillai, Raj]

We have 4 layers, call us paranoid...
Gateway(IMSS), Servers(ServerProtect), Scanmail for Exchange, OfficeScan
for Desktops. All Trend micro products.

Raj

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From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM
Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
Desktop.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Roger Seielstad]

That's a mighty big hole to leave open - one of your users POPs their home
account, or hits Hotmail/YahooMail/etc and pulls down an email worm, you're
100% infected internally. Not a risk I'd take.

We do 3 tier - gateway, Exchange and desktop. I wouldn't do less than that
anymore.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:39 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their 
 email systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are 
 comfortable with 
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. 
 Desktop is Symantec 
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also 
 protect the IS 
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.
 
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 parental 
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Ben Winzenz]

I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back
it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
Desktop.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
protect the IS stores too. How many have 3 levels.

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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[by]

Pardon my ignorance here about Sybari product. Doesnt it have its
propriery engine - why use Sophos and Norman Data Defense engine in this
instance?

Or perhaps, Sybari has to depend on 3rd party's AV engine ?

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edgington, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2003 10:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Three here as well.

Sybari running Sophos engine on the protocol servers (all SMTP mail
passes through them, they are in an NLB cluster)

Mailbox Servers have Sybari with Norman Data Defense

Desktops have NAI McAfee

(Spam is marked by spam assassin on a couple of Linux boxes that sit in
front of the protocol servers)



-Original Message-
From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We have three on most of our customers.  

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

 --
 From: Tony Hlabse
 Reply To: Exchange Discussions
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
 To:   Exchange Discussions
 Subject:  3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
 systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable
with 
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
 Symantec 
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the
IS 
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.
 
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Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003
 

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Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Edgington, Jeff]

Our organization purchased licenses for Sophos and Norman... (Sybari
will also run NAI engine)... I use both as one of the two will usually
get an updated engine out before the other.



-Original Message-
From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:06 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Pardon my ignorance here about Sybari product. Doesn't it have its
propriery engine - why use Sophos and Norman Data Defense engine in this
instance?

Or perhaps, Sybari has to depend on 3rd party's AV engine ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edgington, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2003 10:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Three here as well.

Sybari running Sophos engine on the protocol servers (all SMTP mail
passes through them, they are in an NLB cluster)

Mailbox Servers have Sybari with Norman Data Defense

Desktops have NAI McAfee

(Spam is marked by spam assassin on a couple of Linux boxes that sit in
front of the protocol servers)



-Original Message-
From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We have three on most of our customers.  

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

 --
 From: Tony Hlabse
 Reply To: Exchange Discussions
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
 To:   Exchange Discussions
 Subject:  3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
 systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable
with 
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
 Symantec 
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the
IS 
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.
 
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Ben Winzenz]

Oh, and I'm about THIS close to unsubscribing that moron from the
military that set up the autoreply rule.  There's no password on the
e-mail address on the web interface.


Ben Winzenz
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-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:04 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to
make that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of
any kind that point to any database errors.  The problem has not
re-occurred since removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did
not have the file-level AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back
it up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At:
Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange
Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes,
I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based
scanners.  Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and
Desktop.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[John Strongosky]

We here at the San Diego Community College District have 3, Trend for email,
Trend for servers and Cheyenne for the desk top.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with 
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec 
and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS 
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Steve Sorenson]

We have Messagelabs - NAV for Gateways - NAV for Exchange - NAV
Corporate on the desktops.

Seems to work well as we've never had a virus reach one of the desktops.

Steve 

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 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their 
 email systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are 
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 virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec and Trend on the SMTP 
 servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS stores too. 
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Hurst, Paul]

We use 3.

Cheers

Paul

Standards are like toothbrushes,
everyone wants one but not yours

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Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
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and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS
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Re: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Andy David]

42.

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 We use 3.

 Cheers

 Paul

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 -Original Message-
 From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:39 AM
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 Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
systems.
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
Symantec
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS
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Re: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Steve]

When I was a messaging consultant I worked for a very large oil company
(well over 100k seats) that had scanning done on the SMTP gateways and on
the desktop, but nothing on the Exchange side (something like 120 e2k
servers).  From what I remember they had not had a email born virus
outbreak\infection in years.  But the way they got away with this was
being very strict on what machines were allowed to plug into their
network.  Normally I recommend 3 levels, but I have to say this oil
company seemed to make 2 levels work (each using a different AV engine).

 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems.
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.
 
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Blunt, James H (Jim)]

We use four layers of protection as well:

1.  Linux gateway doing subject and file type blocking.
2.  NAV MSE on the mail servers.
3.  NAV CE on all the desktops
4.  NAV CE on all the servers.

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with 
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec 
and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS 
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Re: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Tony Hlabse]

That is sort of the infrastructure here also with theno so strict usage but 
access is strict. They allow IM and personal email account to be loaded but 
on a smaller scale 8k user base. There are looking into putting something on 
the IS's for the reason of a somewhatr open policy on the desktops.

From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:51:52 -0700
When I was a messaging consultant I worked for a very large oil company
(well over 100k seats) that had scanning done on the SMTP gateways and on
the desktop, but nothing on the Exchange side (something like 120 e2k
servers).  From what I remember they had not had a email born virus
outbreak\infection in years.  But the way they got away with this was
being very strict on what machines were allowed to plug into their
network.  Normally I recommend 3 levels, but I have to say this oil
company seemed to make 2 levels work (each using a different AV engine).
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email 
systems.
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is 
Symantec
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.

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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Blunt, James H (Jim)]

Well...after three more from that mental midget, I can tell you we won't
have to worry about him/her for awhile.

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:16 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Oh, and I'm about THIS close to unsubscribing that moron from the military
that set up the autoreply rule.  There's no password on the e-mail address
on the web interface.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:04 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I don't have a corrupted database.  Why would you or what leads you to make
that assumption?  I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of any kind
that point to any database errors.  The problem has not re-occurred since
removing the AV software.  Like I said before, I did not have the file-level
AV scanning the databases.

If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back it
up with the reasons why.  Not just saying you think I have database
corruption.  Tell me why you think I have corruption.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday,
August 20, 2003 8:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ben:

Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion
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Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server a
couple of times.  I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV off
our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since.  And yes, I'm not
stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based scanners.
Now, we are only running 2.  SAV for SMTP Gateways, and Desktop.


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec
and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[by]

Does that mean I will have to buy minimum 2 antivirus product if only
using Sybari for the framework?

1 antivirus vendor because I need its engine (eg Norman)
and another 1 is Sybari because I need its framework.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2003 1:13 AM
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Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Sybari focused on developing the application framework. Virus engines
are provided by several 3rd party vendors. There are a number of
settings which can be tweaked with regards to scanning bias to make
tradeoffs between speed and scanning when using multiple engines. 

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Posted To: swynk
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Pardon my ignorance here about Sybari product. Doesn't it have its
propriery engine - why use Sophos and Norman Data Defense engine in this
instance?

Or perhaps, Sybari has to depend on 3rd party's AV engine ?

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edgington, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2003 10:53 PM
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Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Three here as well.

Sybari running Sophos engine on the protocol servers (all SMTP mail
passes through them, they are in an NLB cluster)

Mailbox Servers have Sybari with Norman Data Defense

Desktops have NAI McAfee

(Spam is marked by spam assassin on a couple of Linux boxes that sit in
front of the protocol servers)



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From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We have three on most of our customers.  

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

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 From: Tony Hlabse
 Reply To: Exchange Discussions
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
 To:   Exchange Discussions
 Subject:  3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
 systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable
with 
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
 Symantec 
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the
IS 
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.
 
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Alverson, Tom]

We have 3 1/2 layers:

1- custom smap based linux box with spam filtering, attachment blocking, and
some custom blocking of known bad stuff (this one is the 1/2 since it
doesn't really scan for known viruses, just virus like emails)

2- Symantec Antivirus for SMTP Gateways:  This is a separate machine that
processes all inbound mail for our exchange server.

3- Symantec Antivirus for Exchange: Runs on the exchange server and scans
everything (not just inbound from the internet).

4- Symantec Client Antivirus:  All clients have this installed and if 1,2
and 3 fail this may save us.

Tom 

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To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
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and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Alverson, Tom]

OK you win. 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:50 AM
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Subject: Re: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

42.

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Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


 We use 3.

 Cheers

 Paul

 Standards are like toothbrushes,
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systems.
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Mellott, Bill]

I think that is the answer to the universe...

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OK you win. 

-Original Message-
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42.

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 We use 3.

 Cheers

 Paul

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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Edgington, Jeff]

Which is why it works so well at keeping an exchange environment virus
free :)



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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:46 AM
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I think that is the answer to the universe...

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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 12:32 PM
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Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


OK you win. 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:50 AM
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Subject: Re: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

42.

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 We use 3.

 Cheers

 Paul

 Standards are like toothbrushes,
 everyone wants one but not yours

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:39 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
systems.
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable
with
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
Symantec
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the
IS
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.

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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Coleman, Hunter]

Check with Sybari, but I believe that when you license Antigen you get one
engine license included.

Hunter 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:26 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Does that mean I will have to buy minimum 2 antivirus product if only using
Sybari for the framework?

1 antivirus vendor because I need its engine (eg Norman) and another 1 is
Sybari because I need its framework.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2003 1:13 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Sybari focused on developing the application framework. Virus engines are
provided by several 3rd party vendors. There are a number of settings which
can be tweaked with regards to scanning bias to make tradeoffs between speed
and scanning when using multiple engines. 

-Original Message-
From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:06 AM Posted To: swynk
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Pardon my ignorance here about Sybari product. Doesn't it have its propriery
engine - why use Sophos and Norman Data Defense engine in this instance?

Or perhaps, Sybari has to depend on 3rd party's AV engine ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edgington, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2003 10:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Three here as well.

Sybari running Sophos engine on the protocol servers (all SMTP mail passes
through them, they are in an NLB cluster)

Mailbox Servers have Sybari with Norman Data Defense

Desktops have NAI McAfee

(Spam is marked by spam assassin on a couple of Linux boxes that sit in
front of the protocol servers)



-Original Message-
From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We have three on most of our customers.  

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

 --
 From: Tony Hlabse
 Reply To: Exchange Discussions
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
 To:   Exchange Discussions
 Subject:  3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
 systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable
with 
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
 Symantec 
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the
IS 
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.
 
 _
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Durkee, Peter]

Actually, I think you get two engines of your choice for free, and beyond that they 
cost extra.

-Peter


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From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:05
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Check with Sybari, but I believe that when you license Antigen you get one
engine license included.

Hunter 

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From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:26 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Does that mean I will have to buy minimum 2 antivirus product if only using
Sybari for the framework?

1 antivirus vendor because I need its engine (eg Norman) and another 1 is
Sybari because I need its framework.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2003 1:13 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Sybari focused on developing the application framework. Virus engines are
provided by several 3rd party vendors. There are a number of settings which
can be tweaked with regards to scanning bias to make tradeoffs between speed
and scanning when using multiple engines. 

-Original Message-
From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:06 AM Posted To: swynk
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Pardon my ignorance here about Sybari product. Doesn't it have its propriery
engine - why use Sophos and Norman Data Defense engine in this instance?

Or perhaps, Sybari has to depend on 3rd party's AV engine ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edgington, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2003 10:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Three here as well.

Sybari running Sophos engine on the protocol servers (all SMTP mail passes
through them, they are in an NLB cluster)

Mailbox Servers have Sybari with Norman Data Defense

Desktops have NAI McAfee

(Spam is marked by spam assassin on a couple of Linux boxes that sit in
front of the protocol servers)



-Original Message-
From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We have three on most of our customers.  

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

 --
 From: Tony Hlabse
 Reply To: Exchange Discussions
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
 To:   Exchange Discussions
 Subject:  3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
 systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable
with 
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
 Symantec 
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the
IS 
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.
 
 _
 bGet MSN 8/b and help protect your children with advanced parental

 controls.  http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental
 
 
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Martin Blackstone]

Ill take the beef and broccoli, and the fried rice.
Do I have to pay extra for the egg fu yung? 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:40 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Actually, I think you get two engines of your choice for free, and beyond
that they cost extra.

-Peter


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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:05
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Check with Sybari, but I believe that when you license Antigen you get one
engine license included.

Hunter 

-Original Message-
From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:26 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Does that mean I will have to buy minimum 2 antivirus product if only using
Sybari for the framework?

1 antivirus vendor because I need its engine (eg Norman) and another 1 is
Sybari because I need its framework.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2003 1:13 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Sybari focused on developing the application framework. Virus engines are
provided by several 3rd party vendors. There are a number of settings which
can be tweaked with regards to scanning bias to make tradeoffs between speed
and scanning when using multiple engines. 

-Original Message-
From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:06 AM Posted To: swynk
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Pardon my ignorance here about Sybari product. Doesn't it have its propriery
engine - why use Sophos and Norman Data Defense engine in this instance?

Or perhaps, Sybari has to depend on 3rd party's AV engine ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edgington, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2003 10:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Three here as well.

Sybari running Sophos engine on the protocol servers (all SMTP mail passes
through them, they are in an NLB cluster)

Mailbox Servers have Sybari with Norman Data Defense

Desktops have NAI McAfee

(Spam is marked by spam assassin on a couple of Linux boxes that sit in
front of the protocol servers)



-Original Message-
From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We have three on most of our customers.  

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

 --
 From: Tony Hlabse
 Reply To: Exchange Discussions
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
 To:   Exchange Discussions
 Subject:  3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
 systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable
with 
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
 Symantec 
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the
IS 
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.
 
 _
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Mellott, Bill]

yes. but the soup is included with the lunch special

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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:39 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Ill take the beef and broccoli, and the fried rice.
Do I have to pay extra for the egg fu yung? 

-Original Message-
From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:40 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Actually, I think you get two engines of your choice for free, and beyond
that they cost extra.

-Peter


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From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:05
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Check with Sybari, but I believe that when you license Antigen you get one
engine license included.

Hunter 

-Original Message-
From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:26 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Does that mean I will have to buy minimum 2 antivirus product if only using
Sybari for the framework?

1 antivirus vendor because I need its engine (eg Norman) and another 1 is
Sybari because I need its framework.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2003 1:13 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Sybari focused on developing the application framework. Virus engines are
provided by several 3rd party vendors. There are a number of settings which
can be tweaked with regards to scanning bias to make tradeoffs between speed
and scanning when using multiple engines. 

-Original Message-
From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:06 AM Posted To: swynk
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Pardon my ignorance here about Sybari product. Doesn't it have its propriery
engine - why use Sophos and Norman Data Defense engine in this instance?

Or perhaps, Sybari has to depend on 3rd party's AV engine ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edgington, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2003 10:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Three here as well.

Sybari running Sophos engine on the protocol servers (all SMTP mail passes
through them, they are in an NLB cluster)

Mailbox Servers have Sybari with Norman Data Defense

Desktops have NAI McAfee

(Spam is marked by spam assassin on a couple of Linux boxes that sit in
front of the protocol servers)



-Original Message-
From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We have three on most of our customers.  

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

 --
 From: Tony Hlabse
 Reply To: Exchange Discussions
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
 To:   Exchange Discussions
 Subject:  3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
 systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable
with 
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
 Symantec 
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the
IS 
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.
 
 _
 bGet MSN 8/b and help protect your children with advanced parental

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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[John Orban]

We use McAfee's e250 through which all traffic in and out of the network is
proxied. We have GroupShield on the Exchange Server and VirusScan Enterprise
on the desktops. Everything is managed with ePolicy Orchestrator. So far, so
good...knock on wood.

John Orban
System Administrator
The Country School
www.countryschool.org
 
-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with 
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec 
and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS 
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Akerlund, Scott]

3 levels here also.

I match the below configuration except we have the e500, GroupShield 5, and
Enterprise 7 on the desktops, all managed with EPO.

-Original Message-
From: John Orban [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

We use McAfee's e250 through which all traffic in and out of the network is
proxied. We have GroupShield on the Exchange Server and VirusScan Enterprise
on the desktops. Everything is managed with ePolicy Orchestrator. So far, so
good...knock on wood.

John Orban
System Administrator
The Country School
www.countryschool.org
 
-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with 
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec 
and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS 
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Pfefferkorn, Pete (pfeffepe)]

We will have 4 levels shortly, using 3 different vendors.

1. Have TrendMicro on the Exchange Servers for the mailboxes.
2. Have McAfee for file scanning on the server level (saved our butts a
couple of times).
3. Have McAfee on the Desktop level.
4. Soon to have Mirapoint installed as front end relays to our IMC's which
uses Sophos virus scanner.


-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec
and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Fyodorov, Andrey]

That's how I remember it. I love Antigen.



-Original Message-
From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:40 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Actually, I think you get two engines of your choice for free, and
beyond that they cost extra.

-Peter


-Original Message-
From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:05
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Check with Sybari, but I believe that when you license Antigen you get
one
engine license included.

Hunter 

-Original Message-
From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:26 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Does that mean I will have to buy minimum 2 antivirus product if only
using
Sybari for the framework?

1 antivirus vendor because I need its engine (eg Norman) and another 1
is
Sybari because I need its framework.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2003 1:13 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Sybari focused on developing the application framework. Virus engines
are
provided by several 3rd party vendors. There are a number of settings
which
can be tweaked with regards to scanning bias to make tradeoffs between
speed
and scanning when using multiple engines. 

-Original Message-
From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:06 AM Posted To: swynk
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Pardon my ignorance here about Sybari product. Doesn't it have its
propriery
engine - why use Sophos and Norman Data Defense engine in this instance?

Or perhaps, Sybari has to depend on 3rd party's AV engine ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edgington, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2003 10:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Three here as well.

Sybari running Sophos engine on the protocol servers (all SMTP mail
passes
through them, they are in an NLB cluster)

Mailbox Servers have Sybari with Norman Data Defense

Desktops have NAI McAfee

(Spam is marked by spam assassin on a couple of Linux boxes that sit in
front of the protocol servers)



-Original Message-
From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We have three on most of our customers.  

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

 --
 From: Tony Hlabse
 Reply To: Exchange Discussions
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
 To:   Exchange Discussions
 Subject:  3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
 systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable
with 
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
 Symantec 
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the
IS 
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.
 
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Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003
 

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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Martin, Jon]

One note related to this. It seems to me that having more than one vendor is as 
important as having multiple layers. If you have three or four layers of 'insert your 
AV vendor here'  products and they miss the boat on some virus, then all of those 
layers are irrelevant. 

Jon

 -Original Message-
From:   Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:39 AM
Posted To:  exchange - new
Conversation:   3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject:3 Layers of Virus protection.

I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with 
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec 
and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS 
stores too. How many have 3 levels.

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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Martin Blackstone]

I remember as a kid during the summertime. We would be outside throwing
rocks at cars when you would hear the jingle of the ice cream man. Back then
$5 would get you a snow cone and a good sized bag of weed. 

-Original Message-
From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

That's how I remember it. I love Antigen.



-Original Message-
From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:40 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Actually, I think you get two engines of your choice for free, and
beyond that they cost extra.

-Peter


-Original Message-
From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:05
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Check with Sybari, but I believe that when you license Antigen you get
one
engine license included.

Hunter 

-Original Message-
From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:26 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Does that mean I will have to buy minimum 2 antivirus product if only
using
Sybari for the framework?

1 antivirus vendor because I need its engine (eg Norman) and another 1
is
Sybari because I need its framework.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2003 1:13 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Sybari focused on developing the application framework. Virus engines
are
provided by several 3rd party vendors. There are a number of settings
which
can be tweaked with regards to scanning bias to make tradeoffs between
speed
and scanning when using multiple engines. 

-Original Message-
From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:06 AM Posted To: swynk
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Pardon my ignorance here about Sybari product. Doesn't it have its
propriery
engine - why use Sophos and Norman Data Defense engine in this instance?

Or perhaps, Sybari has to depend on 3rd party's AV engine ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edgington, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2003 10:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Three here as well.

Sybari running Sophos engine on the protocol servers (all SMTP mail
passes
through them, they are in an NLB cluster)

Mailbox Servers have Sybari with Norman Data Defense

Desktops have NAI McAfee

(Spam is marked by spam assassin on a couple of Linux boxes that sit in
front of the protocol servers)



-Original Message-
From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We have three on most of our customers.  

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

 --
 From: Tony Hlabse
 Reply To: Exchange Discussions
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
 To:   Exchange Discussions
 Subject:  3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
 systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable
with 
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
 Symantec 
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the
IS 
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.
 
 _
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Mellott, Bill]

well when my dad was a kid...a milk shake cost 10 cent's

and we liked it!

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I remember as a kid during the summertime. We would be outside throwing
rocks at cars when you would hear the jingle of the ice cream man. Back then
$5 would get you a snow cone and a good sized bag of weed. 

-Original Message-
From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

That's how I remember it. I love Antigen.



-Original Message-
From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:40 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Actually, I think you get two engines of your choice for free, and
beyond that they cost extra.

-Peter


-Original Message-
From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:05
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Check with Sybari, but I believe that when you license Antigen you get
one
engine license included.

Hunter 

-Original Message-
From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:26 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Does that mean I will have to buy minimum 2 antivirus product if only
using
Sybari for the framework?

1 antivirus vendor because I need its engine (eg Norman) and another 1
is
Sybari because I need its framework.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2003 1:13 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Sybari focused on developing the application framework. Virus engines
are
provided by several 3rd party vendors. There are a number of settings
which
can be tweaked with regards to scanning bias to make tradeoffs between
speed
and scanning when using multiple engines. 

-Original Message-
From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:06 AM Posted To: swynk
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Pardon my ignorance here about Sybari product. Doesn't it have its
propriery
engine - why use Sophos and Norman Data Defense engine in this instance?

Or perhaps, Sybari has to depend on 3rd party's AV engine ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edgington, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2003 10:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Three here as well.

Sybari running Sophos engine on the protocol servers (all SMTP mail
passes
through them, they are in an NLB cluster)

Mailbox Servers have Sybari with Norman Data Defense

Desktops have NAI McAfee

(Spam is marked by spam assassin on a couple of Linux boxes that sit in
front of the protocol servers)



-Original Message-
From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We have three on most of our customers.  

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

 --
 From: Tony Hlabse
 Reply To: Exchange Discussions
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
 To:   Exchange Discussions
 Subject:  3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
 systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable
with 
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
 Symantec 
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the
IS 
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.
 
 _
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Martin Blackstone]

It was made with lava and sable tooth tiger. 

-Original Message-
From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

well when my dad was a kid...a milk shake cost 10 cent's

and we liked it!

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


I remember as a kid during the summertime. We would be outside throwing
rocks at cars when you would hear the jingle of the ice cream man. Back then
$5 would get you a snow cone and a good sized bag of weed. 

-Original Message-
From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

That's how I remember it. I love Antigen.



-Original Message-
From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:40 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Actually, I think you get two engines of your choice for free, and
beyond that they cost extra.

-Peter


-Original Message-
From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:05
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


Check with Sybari, but I believe that when you license Antigen you get
one
engine license included.

Hunter 

-Original Message-
From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:26 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Does that mean I will have to buy minimum 2 antivirus product if only
using
Sybari for the framework?

1 antivirus vendor because I need its engine (eg Norman) and another 1
is
Sybari because I need its framework.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2003 1:13 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Sybari focused on developing the application framework. Virus engines
are
provided by several 3rd party vendors. There are a number of settings
which
can be tweaked with regards to scanning bias to make tradeoffs between
speed
and scanning when using multiple engines. 

-Original Message-
From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:06 AM Posted To: swynk
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Pardon my ignorance here about Sybari product. Doesn't it have its
propriery
engine - why use Sophos and Norman Data Defense engine in this instance?

Or perhaps, Sybari has to depend on 3rd party's AV engine ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edgington, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2003 10:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

Three here as well.

Sybari running Sophos engine on the protocol servers (all SMTP mail
passes
through them, they are in an NLB cluster)

Mailbox Servers have Sybari with Norman Data Defense

Desktops have NAI McAfee

(Spam is marked by spam assassin on a couple of Linux boxes that sit in
front of the protocol servers)



-Original Message-
From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


We have three on most of our customers.  

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

 --
 From: Tony Hlabse
 Reply To: Exchange Discussions
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
 To:   Exchange Discussions
 Subject:  3 Layers of Virus protection.
 
 I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email
 systems. 
 My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable
with 
 desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is
 Symantec 
 and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the
IS 
 stores too. How many have 3 levels.
 
 _
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RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.

[Hague, Jeff]

3 layers - We run a Fortinet firewall at the edge which scans SMTP, POP3, IMAP, HTTP 
and FTP for viruses (at the packet level which is really cool), CA (I know...) on 
Exchange box and CA on the desktops. I beleive we use the VET engine on Exchange and 
InoculateIT on the desktops...

Jeff Hague 

-Original Message-
From: Martin, Jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.


One note related to this. It seems to me that having more than one vendor is as 
important as having multiple layers. If you have three or four layers of 'insert your 
AV vendor here'  products and they miss the boat on some virus, then all of those 
layers are irrelevant. 

Jon

 -Original Message-
From:   Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:39 AM
Posted To:  exchange - new
Conversation:   3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject:3 Layers of Virus protection.

I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. 
My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with 
desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec 
and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS 
stores too. How many have 3 levels.

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