RE: PST Alternative?
Why not just store them on the server; i.e. maiboxes and do away with .pst's? Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: Kevin Dietz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST Alternative? I am looking for alternate solutions to using PST files. I have had numerous users come to me with corrupt files. Are there any out there? Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: PST Alternative?
Increase the disk space and thus the limits on the Exchange server. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Dietz Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 6:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST Alternative? I am looking for alternate solutions to using PST files. I have had numerous users come to me with corrupt files. Are there any out there? Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: PST Alternative?
This brings up the old philosophical question about how much disk space do you allow any one user. 100mb, 1gb, 10gb, 100gb?? I work at a place where folks work 20, 30, 40 years. Some of these folks would keep every shred of email forever if there was not some upper limit on their space. We try to be flexible and have users with hundreds of mb of email stored in Exchange. However, we have also shown some of our most retentive folks how to create PST files and burn them of to CD. Jon -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:58 AM Posted To: exchange Conversation: PST Alternative? Subject: RE: PST Alternative? Increase the disk space and thus the limits on the Exchange server. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Dietz Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 6:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST Alternative? I am looking for alternate solutions to using PST files. I have had numerous users come to me with corrupt files. Are there any out there? Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: PST-file backup problem
Make more smaller stores :) Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 users. Keep all emails in store.. A good idea, but what happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any mailbox size limits)..Back up times increase radically-restore times increase radically!! Hopefully you see my problem now..? -Arttu- -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 PM Vastaanottaja: Exchange Discussions Aihe: RE: PST-file backup problem You didn't mention what your overall system is like, but I'll assume you're using Exchange. If you're concerned about storage space and the data contained in the PST files is important enough to be backed up, you should keep that data managed by Exchange in a Store. Backup is easier, and you will save disk space with the Exchange SIS. (You won't initially magically get SIS by importing [reimporting?] the PST files into Exchange, but as the data grows you will see a difference in your SIS). -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST-file backup problem Hello ! My question deals with PST-files. When backing up PST-files you always have to back up every PST-file. This is because Outlook changes the file every time it's opened etc. So you cannot take just incremental from changed files. Usually you end up backing up all PST-files.. Ok.. so what you say! The problem is that if you have to pay for every Gig you take, you end up paying a lot of money! Is there any third party tool or way to get rid of this problem? Having the same problem? Or is it just me ;) Rgs, -Arttu- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST-file backup problem
FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a very small exception list - pres VPs of my org.) I do backup the stores on my server. I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from oops I deleted a really important message). All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for those who can demonstrate the need. PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their computer on w/outlook open, * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame me when they forget!) * PSTs get corrupted I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out problems I used to have with PSTs! HTH Arron = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 users. Keep all emails in store.. A good idea, but what happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any mailbox size limits)..Back up times increase radically-restore times increase radically!! Hopefully you see my problem now..? -Arttu- -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 PM Vastaanottaja: Exchange Discussions Aihe: RE: PST-file backup problem You didn't mention what your overall system is like, but I'll assume you're using Exchange. If you're concerned about storage space and the data contained in the PST files is important enough to be backed up, you should keep that data managed by Exchange in a Store. Backup is easier, and you will save disk space with the Exchange SIS. (You won't initially magically get SIS by importing [reimporting?] the PST files into Exchange, but as the data grows you will see a difference in your SIS). -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST-file backup problem Hello ! My question deals with PST-files. When backing up PST-files you always have to back up every PST-file. This is because Outlook changes the file every time it's opened etc. So you cannot take just incremental from changed files. Usually you end up backing up all PST-files.. Ok.. so what you say! The problem is that if you have to pay for every Gig you take, you end up paying a lot of money! Is there any third party tool or way to get rid of this problem? Having the same problem? Or is it just me ;) Rgs, -Arttu- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST-file backup problem
That's what storage groups are for. Seriously, if you have that much mail and need to store it all, you will be better off using SIS to squeeze the last little bit out of your storage. You are wasting space and not managing things well by using PSTs. -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 users. Keep all emails in store.. A good idea, but what happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any mailbox size limits)..Back up times increase radically-restore times increase radically!! Hopefully you see my problem now..? -Arttu- -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 PM Vastaanottaja: Exchange Discussions Aihe: RE: PST-file backup problem You didn't mention what your overall system is like, but I'll assume you're using Exchange. If you're concerned about storage space and the data contained in the PST files is important enough to be backed up, you should keep that data managed by Exchange in a Store. Backup is easier, and you will save disk space with the Exchange SIS. (You won't initially magically get SIS by importing [reimporting?] the PST files into Exchange, but as the data grows you will see a difference in your SIS). -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST-file backup problem Hello ! My question deals with PST-files. When backing up PST-files you always have to back up every PST-file. This is because Outlook changes the file every time it's opened etc. So you cannot take just incremental from changed files. Usually you end up backing up all PST-files.. Ok.. so what you say! The problem is that if you have to pay for every Gig you take, you end up paying a lot of money! Is there any third party tool or way to get rid of this problem? Having the same problem? Or is it just me ;) Rgs, -Arttu- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang= english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang= english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST-file backup problem
While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes on psts and you can back them up! -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a very small exception list - pres VPs of my org.) I do backup the stores on my server. I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from oops I deleted a really important message). All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for those who can demonstrate the need. PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their computer on w/outlook open, * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame me when they forget!) * PSTs get corrupted I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out problems I used to have with PSTs! HTH Arron = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 users. Keep all emails in store.. A good idea, but what happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any mailbox size limits)..Back up times increase radically-restore times increase radically!! Hopefully you see my problem now..? -Arttu- -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 PM Vastaanottaja: Exchange Discussions Aihe: RE: PST-file backup problem You didn't mention what your overall system is like, but I'll assume you're using Exchange. If you're concerned about storage space and the data contained in the PST files is important enough to be backed up, you should keep that data managed by Exchange in a Store. Backup is easier, and you will save disk space with the Exchange SIS. (You won't initially magically get SIS by importing [reimporting?] the PST files into Exchange, but as the data grows you will see a difference in your SIS). -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST-file backup problem Hello ! My question deals with PST-files. When backing up PST-files you always have to back up every PST-file. This is because Outlook changes the file every time it's opened etc. So you cannot take just incremental from changed files. Usually you end up backing up all PST-files.. Ok.. so what you say! The problem is that if you have to pay for every Gig you take, you end up paying a lot of money! Is there any third party tool or way to get rid of this problem? Having the same problem? Or is it just me ;) Rgs, -Arttu- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http
RE: PST-file backup problem
From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file. It completes the backup job; but marks it as having failed. = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes on psts and you can back them up! -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a very small exception list - pres VPs of my org.) I do backup the stores on my server. I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from oops I deleted a really important message). All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for those who can demonstrate the need. PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their computer on w/outlook open, * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame me when they forget!) * PSTs get corrupted I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out problems I used to have with PSTs! HTH Arron = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 users. Keep all emails in store.. A good idea, but what happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any mailbox size limits)..Back up times increase radically-restore times increase radically!! Hopefully you see my problem now..? -Arttu- -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 PM Vastaanottaja: Exchange Discussions Aihe: RE: PST-file backup problem You didn't mention what your overall system is like, but I'll assume you're using Exchange. If you're concerned about storage space and the data contained in the PST files is important enough to be backed up, you should keep that data managed by Exchange in a Store. Backup is easier, and you will save disk space with the Exchange SIS. (You won't initially magically get SIS by importing [reimporting?] the PST files into Exchange, but as the data grows you will see a difference in your SIS). -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST-file backup problem Hello ! My question deals with PST-files. When backing up PST-files you always have to back up every PST-file. This is because Outlook changes the file every time it's opened etc. So you cannot take just incremental from changed files. Usually you end up backing up all PST-files.. Ok.. so what you say! The problem is that if you have to pay for every Gig you take, you end up paying a lot of money! Is there any third party tool or way to get rid of this problem? Having the same problem? Or is it just me ;) Rgs, -Arttu- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe
RE: PST-file backup problem
Yep. I have seen that as well. But, like I said, IIRC, at some point the file closes, and it will back them up correctly. (Un)fortunately, I cant test that myself anymore. -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file. It completes the backup job; but marks it as having failed. = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes on psts and you can back them up! -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a very small exception list - pres VPs of my org.) I do backup the stores on my server. I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from oops I deleted a really important message). All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for those who can demonstrate the need. PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their computer on w/outlook open, * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame me when they forget!) * PSTs get corrupted I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out problems I used to have with PSTs! HTH Arron = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 users. Keep all emails in store.. A good idea, but what happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any mailbox size limits)..Back up times increase radically-restore times increase radically!! Hopefully you see my problem now..? -Arttu- -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 PM Vastaanottaja: Exchange Discussions Aihe: RE: PST-file backup problem You didn't mention what your overall system is like, but I'll assume you're using Exchange. If you're concerned about storage space and the data contained in the PST files is important enough to be backed up, you should keep that data managed by Exchange in a Store. Backup is easier, and you will save disk space with the Exchange SIS. (You won't initially magically get SIS by importing [reimporting?] the PST files into Exchange, but as the data grows you will see a difference in your SIS). -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST-file backup problem Hello ! My question deals with PST-files. When backing up PST-files you always have to back up every PST-file. This is because Outlook changes the file every time it's opened etc. So you cannot take just incremental from changed files. Usually you end up backing up all PST-files.. Ok.. so what you say! The problem is that if you have to pay for every Gig you take, you end up paying a lot of money! Is there any third party tool or way to get rid of this problem? Having the same problem? Or is it just me ;) Rgs, -Arttu- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter
RE: PST-file backup problem
Andy, Are you saying that after a 30 minute period of inactivity on the part of the user, that the .pst file file handle will close itself, allowing the file to be backed up correctly? Or are you saying that after 30 minutes of attempting to back them up, the open file handle closes, thereby allowing Veritas to back it up correctly? -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Yep. I have seen that as well. But, like I said, IIRC, at some point the file closes, and it will back them up correctly. (Un)fortunately, I cant test that myself anymore. -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file. It completes the backup job; but marks it as having failed. = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes on psts and you can back them up! -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a very small exception list - pres VPs of my org.) I do backup the stores on my server. I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from oops I deleted a really important message). All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for those who can demonstrate the need. PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their computer on w/outlook open, * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame me when they forget!) * PSTs get corrupted I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out problems I used to have with PSTs! HTH Arron = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 users. Keep all emails in store.. A good idea, but what happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any mailbox size limits)..Back up times increase radically-restore times increase radically!! Hopefully you see my problem now..? -Arttu- -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 PM Vastaanottaja: Exchange Discussions Aihe: RE: PST-file backup problem You didn't mention what your overall system is like, but I'll assume you're using Exchange. If you're concerned about storage space and the data contained in the PST files is important enough to be backed up, you should keep that data managed by Exchange in a Store. Backup is easier, and you will save disk space with the Exchange SIS. (You won't initially magically get SIS by importing [reimporting?] the PST files into Exchange, but as the data grows you will see a difference in your SIS). -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST-file backup problem Hello ! My question deals with PST-files. When backing up PST-files you always have to back up every PST-file. This is because Outlook changes the file every time it's opened etc. So you cannot take just incremental from changed files. Usually you end up backing up all PST-files.. Ok.. so what you say! The problem is that if you have to pay for every Gig you take, you end up paying a lot of money! Is there any third party tool or way to get rid of this problem? Having the same problem? Or is it just me ;) Rgs, -Arttu
RE: PST-file backup problem
Not sure on the period of inactivity on the part of the user, but, yea, something like that. Or I could be completely wrong. Its just something that I kinda recall from the back of my mind. Theres not much back there. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Andy, Are you saying that after a 30 minute period of inactivity on the part of the user, that the .pst file file handle will close itself, allowing the file to be backed up correctly? Or are you saying that after 30 minutes of attempting to back them up, the open file handle closes, thereby allowing Veritas to back it up correctly? -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Yep. I have seen that as well. But, like I said, IIRC, at some point the file closes, and it will back them up correctly. (Un)fortunately, I cant test that myself anymore. -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file. It completes the backup job; but marks it as having failed. = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes on psts and you can back them up! -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a very small exception list - pres VPs of my org.) I do backup the stores on my server. I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from oops I deleted a really important message). All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for those who can demonstrate the need. PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their computer on w/outlook open, * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame me when they forget!) * PSTs get corrupted I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out problems I used to have with PSTs! HTH Arron = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 users. Keep all emails in store.. A good idea, but what happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any mailbox size limits)..Back up times increase radically-restore times increase radically!! Hopefully you see my problem now..? -Arttu- -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 PM Vastaanottaja: Exchange Discussions Aihe: RE: PST-file backup problem You didn't mention what your overall system is like, but I'll assume you're using Exchange. If you're concerned about storage space and the data contained in the PST files is important enough to be backed up, you should keep that data managed by Exchange in a Store. Backup is easier, and you will save disk space with the Exchange SIS. (You won't initially magically get SIS by importing [reimporting?] the PST files into Exchange, but as the data grows you will see a difference in your SIS). -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST-file backup problem Hello ! My question deals with PST-files. When backing up PST-files you always have to back up every PST-file. This is because Outlook changes the file every time it's opened
RE: PST-file backup problem
Andy, Are you saying that after a 30 minute period of inactivity on the part of the user, that the .pst file file handle will close itself, allowing the file to be backed up correctly? Or are you saying that after 30 minutes of attempting to back them up, the open file handle closes, thereby allowing Veritas to back it up correctly? -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Yep. I have seen that as well. But, like I said, IIRC, at some point the file closes, and it will back them up correctly. (Un)fortunately, I cant test that myself anymore. -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file. It completes the backup job; but marks it as having failed. = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes on psts and you can back them up! -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a very small exception list - pres VPs of my org.) I do backup the stores on my server. I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from oops I deleted a really important message). All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for those who can demonstrate the need. PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their computer on w/outlook open, * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame me when they forget!) * PSTs get corrupted I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out problems I used to have with PSTs! HTH Arron = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 users. Keep all emails in store.. A good idea, but what happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any mailbox size limits)..Back up times increase radically-restore times increase radically!! Hopefully you see my problem now..? -Arttu- -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 PM Vastaanottaja: Exchange Discussions Aihe: RE: PST-file backup problem You didn't mention what your overall system is like, but I'll assume you're using Exchange. If you're concerned about storage space and the data contained in the PST files is important enough to be backed up, you should keep that data managed by Exchange in a Store. Backup is easier, and you will save disk space with the Exchange SIS. (You won't initially magically get SIS by importing [reimporting?] the PST files into Exchange, but as the data grows you will see a difference in your SIS). -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST-file backup problem Hello ! My question deals with PST-files. When backing up PST-files you always have to back up every PST-file. This is because Outlook changes the file every time it's opened etc. So you cannot take just incremental from changed files. Usually you end up backing up all PST-files.. Ok.. so what you say! The problem is that if you have to pay for every Gig you take, you end up paying a lot of money! Is there any third party tool or way to get rid of this problem? Having the same problem? Or is it just me ;) Rgs, -Arttu
RE: PST-file backup problem
30 minutes after one closes his/her Outlook Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Andy, Are you saying that after a 30 minute period of inactivity on the part of the user, that the .pst file file handle will close itself, allowing the file to be backed up correctly? Or are you saying that after 30 minutes of attempting to back them up, the open file handle closes, thereby allowing Veritas to back it up correctly? -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Yep. I have seen that as well. But, like I said, IIRC, at some point the file closes, and it will back them up correctly. (Un)fortunately, I cant test that myself anymore. -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file. It completes the backup job; but marks it as having failed. = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes on psts and you can back them up! -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a very small exception list - pres VPs of my org.) I do backup the stores on my server. I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from oops I deleted a really important message). All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for those who can demonstrate the need. PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their computer on w/outlook open, * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame me when they forget!) * PSTs get corrupted I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out problems I used to have with PSTs! HTH Arron = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 users. Keep all emails in store.. A good idea, but what happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any mailbox size limits)..Back up times increase radically-restore times increase radically!! Hopefully you see my problem now..? -Arttu- -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 PM Vastaanottaja: Exchange Discussions Aihe: RE: PST-file backup problem You didn't mention what your overall system is like, but I'll assume you're using Exchange. If you're concerned about storage space and the data contained in the PST files is important enough to be backed up, you should keep that data managed by Exchange in a Store. Backup is easier, and you will save disk space with the Exchange SIS. (You won't initially magically get SIS by importing [reimporting?] the PST files into Exchange, but as the data grows you will see a difference in your SIS). -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST-file backup problem Hello ! My question deals with PST-files. When backing up PST-files you always have to back up every PST-file. This is because Outlook changes the file every time it's opened etc. So you cannot take just incremental from changed files. Usually you end up backing up
RE: PST-file backup problem
Yeah...that makes sense and I would agree with that. One of our DBA's leaves his computer on and Outlook open all night. We have Ex5.5 SP4 on Win2k SP2 with Veritas 8.6 and I see his file being reported as backed up but corrupt, even though he has been gone for a good 5 hours by the time the backups run, and it reports it as being corrupt every night. Thanks Aaron, for initially explaining why this is marked corrupt. I often wondered why Veritas would back up a corrupt file. Thanks Andy / Andrey for the additional explanations as well. Jim -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:07 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem 30 minutes after one closes his/her Outlook Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Andy, Are you saying that after a 30 minute period of inactivity on the part of the user, that the .pst file file handle will close itself, allowing the file to be backed up correctly? Or are you saying that after 30 minutes of attempting to back them up, the open file handle closes, thereby allowing Veritas to back it up correctly? -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Yep. I have seen that as well. But, like I said, IIRC, at some point the file closes, and it will back them up correctly. (Un)fortunately, I cant test that myself anymore. -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file. It completes the backup job; but marks it as having failed. = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes on psts and you can back them up! -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a very small exception list - pres VPs of my org.) I do backup the stores on my server. I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from oops I deleted a really important message). All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for those who can demonstrate the need. PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their computer on w/outlook open, * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame me when they forget!) * PSTs get corrupted I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out problems I used to have with PSTs! HTH Arron = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 users. Keep all emails in store.. A good idea, but what happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any mailbox size limits)..Back up times increase radically-restore times increase radically!! Hopefully you see my problem now..? -Arttu- -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 PM Vastaanottaja: Exchange Discussions Aihe: RE: PST-file backup problem You didn't mention what your overall system is like, but I'll assume you're using Exchange. If you're concerned about storage space and the data contained in the PST files is important enough to be backed up, you
RE: PST-file backup problem
Well, at least you still have some hair back there. -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Not sure on the period of inactivity on the part of the user, but, yea, something like that. Or I could be completely wrong. Its just something that I kinda recall from the back of my mind. Theres not much back there. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Andy, Are you saying that after a 30 minute period of inactivity on the part of the user, that the .pst file file handle will close itself, allowing the file to be backed up correctly? Or are you saying that after 30 minutes of attempting to back them up, the open file handle closes, thereby allowing Veritas to back it up correctly? -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Yep. I have seen that as well. But, like I said, IIRC, at some point the file closes, and it will back them up correctly. (Un)fortunately, I cant test that myself anymore. -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file. It completes the backup job; but marks it as having failed. = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes on psts and you can back them up! -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a very small exception list - pres VPs of my org.) I do backup the stores on my server. I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from oops I deleted a really important message). All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for those who can demonstrate the need. PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their computer on w/outlook open, * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame me when they forget!) * PSTs get corrupted I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out problems I used to have with PSTs! HTH Arron = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 users. Keep all emails in store.. A good idea, but what happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any mailbox size limits)..Back up times increase radically-restore times increase radically!! Hopefully you see my problem now..? -Arttu- -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 PM Vastaanottaja: Exchange Discussions Aihe: RE: PST-file backup problem You didn't mention what your overall system is like, but I'll assume you're using Exchange. If you're concerned about storage space and the data contained in the PST files is important enough to be backed up, you should keep that data managed by Exchange in a Store. Backup is easier, and you will save disk space with the Exchange SIS. (You won't initially magically get SIS by importing [reimporting?] the PST files into Exchange, but as the data grows you will see a difference in your SIS). -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:46 AM To: Exchange
RE: PST-file backup problem
Summary from an MS kb article: (222328 ) Outlook locks personal folder files (.pst) while they are in use; it is not possible to copy the .pst file while it is locked. Outlook releases the lock on a .pst file after 30 minutes of inactivity, by default. This article describes how to control the timeout value after which Outlook releases the file lock on a .pst file. -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Not sure on the period of inactivity on the part of the user, but, yea, something like that. Or I could be completely wrong. Its just something that I kinda recall from the back of my mind. Theres not much back there. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Andy, Are you saying that after a 30 minute period of inactivity on the part of the user, that the .pst file file handle will close itself, allowing the file to be backed up correctly? Or are you saying that after 30 minutes of attempting to back them up, the open file handle closes, thereby allowing Veritas to back it up correctly? -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Yep. I have seen that as well. But, like I said, IIRC, at some point the file closes, and it will back them up correctly. (Un)fortunately, I cant test that myself anymore. -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file. It completes the backup job; but marks it as having failed. = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes on psts and you can back them up! -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a very small exception list - pres VPs of my org.) I do backup the stores on my server. I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from oops I deleted a really important message). All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for those who can demonstrate the need. PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their computer on w/outlook open, * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame me when they forget!) * PSTs get corrupted I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out problems I used to have with PSTs! HTH Arron = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 users. Keep all emails in store.. A good idea, but what happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any mailbox size limits)..Back up times increase radically-restore times increase radically!! Hopefully you see my problem now..? -Arttu- -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 PM Vastaanottaja: Exchange Discussions Aihe: RE: PST-file backup problem You didn't mention what your overall system is like, but I'll assume you're using Exchange. If you're concerned about
RE: PST-file backup problem
Well, I guess the article is correct, but what if Outlook is running and has a rule that moves messages to a PST, and new messages come in more frequently than once per 30 minutes? Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Adams, Kevin C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Summary from an MS kb article: (222328 ) Outlook locks personal folder files (.pst) while they are in use; it is not possible to copy the .pst file while it is locked. Outlook releases the lock on a .pst file after 30 minutes of inactivity, by default. This article describes how to control the timeout value after which Outlook releases the file lock on a .pst file. -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Not sure on the period of inactivity on the part of the user, but, yea, something like that. Or I could be completely wrong. Its just something that I kinda recall from the back of my mind. Theres not much back there. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Andy, Are you saying that after a 30 minute period of inactivity on the part of the user, that the .pst file file handle will close itself, allowing the file to be backed up correctly? Or are you saying that after 30 minutes of attempting to back them up, the open file handle closes, thereby allowing Veritas to back it up correctly? -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Yep. I have seen that as well. But, like I said, IIRC, at some point the file closes, and it will back them up correctly. (Un)fortunately, I cant test that myself anymore. -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file. It completes the backup job; but marks it as having failed. = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes on psts and you can back them up! -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a very small exception list - pres VPs of my org.) I do backup the stores on my server. I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from oops I deleted a really important message). All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for those who can demonstrate the need. PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their computer on w/outlook open, * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame me when they forget!) * PSTs get corrupted I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out problems I used to have with PSTs! HTH Arron = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 users. Keep all emails in store.. A good idea, but what happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any mailbox size limits)..Back
RE: PST-file backup problem
If it moves it to a PST, then it is a client side rule and OL has to be running. -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Well, I guess the article is correct, but what if Outlook is running and has a rule that moves messages to a PST, and new messages come in more frequently than once per 30 minutes? Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Adams, Kevin C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Summary from an MS kb article: (222328 ) Outlook locks personal folder files (.pst) while they are in use; it is not possible to copy the .pst file while it is locked. Outlook releases the lock on a .pst file after 30 minutes of inactivity, by default. This article describes how to control the timeout value after which Outlook releases the file lock on a .pst file. -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Not sure on the period of inactivity on the part of the user, but, yea, something like that. Or I could be completely wrong. Its just something that I kinda recall from the back of my mind. Theres not much back there. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Andy, Are you saying that after a 30 minute period of inactivity on the part of the user, that the .pst file file handle will close itself, allowing the file to be backed up correctly? Or are you saying that after 30 minutes of attempting to back them up, the open file handle closes, thereby allowing Veritas to back it up correctly? -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Yep. I have seen that as well. But, like I said, IIRC, at some point the file closes, and it will back them up correctly. (Un)fortunately, I cant test that myself anymore. -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file. It completes the backup job; but marks it as having failed. = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes on psts and you can back them up! -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a very small exception list - pres VPs of my org.) I do backup the stores on my server. I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from oops I deleted a really important message). All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for those who can demonstrate the need. PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their computer on w/outlook open, * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame me when they forget!) * PSTs get corrupted I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out problems I used to have with PSTs! HTH Arron = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem Hi, and thanx alot for your time
RE: PST-file backup problem
My guess would be that it stays locked. That would be the logical assumption. K -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Well, I guess the article is correct, but what if Outlook is running and has a rule that moves messages to a PST, and new messages come in more frequently than once per 30 minutes? Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Adams, Kevin C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Summary from an MS kb article: (222328 ) Outlook locks personal folder files (.pst) while they are in use; it is not possible to copy the .pst file while it is locked. Outlook releases the lock on a .pst file after 30 minutes of inactivity, by default. This article describes how to control the timeout value after which Outlook releases the file lock on a .pst file. -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Not sure on the period of inactivity on the part of the user, but, yea, something like that. Or I could be completely wrong. Its just something that I kinda recall from the back of my mind. Theres not much back there. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Andy, Are you saying that after a 30 minute period of inactivity on the part of the user, that the .pst file file handle will close itself, allowing the file to be backed up correctly? Or are you saying that after 30 minutes of attempting to back them up, the open file handle closes, thereby allowing Veritas to back it up correctly? -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Yep. I have seen that as well. But, like I said, IIRC, at some point the file closes, and it will back them up correctly. (Un)fortunately, I cant test that myself anymore. -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file. It completes the backup job; but marks it as having failed. = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes on psts and you can back them up! -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a very small exception list - pres VPs of my org.) I do backup the stores on my server. I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from oops I deleted a really important message). All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for those who can demonstrate the need. PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their computer on w/outlook open, * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame me when they forget!) * PSTs get corrupted I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out problems I used to have with PSTs! HTH Arron = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: PST-file backup problem
Excellent. I thought I remembered something through the beer haze. -Original Message- From: Adams, Kevin C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Summary from an MS kb article: (222328 ) Outlook locks personal folder files (.pst) while they are in use; it is not possible to copy the .pst file while it is locked. Outlook releases the lock on a .pst file after 30 minutes of inactivity, by default. This article describes how to control the timeout value after which Outlook releases the file lock on a .pst file. -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Not sure on the period of inactivity on the part of the user, but, yea, something like that. Or I could be completely wrong. Its just something that I kinda recall from the back of my mind. Theres not much back there. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Andy, Are you saying that after a 30 minute period of inactivity on the part of the user, that the .pst file file handle will close itself, allowing the file to be backed up correctly? Or are you saying that after 30 minutes of attempting to back them up, the open file handle closes, thereby allowing Veritas to back it up correctly? -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Yep. I have seen that as well. But, like I said, IIRC, at some point the file closes, and it will back them up correctly. (Un)fortunately, I cant test that myself anymore. -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file. It completes the backup job; but marks it as having failed. = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes on psts and you can back them up! -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a very small exception list - pres VPs of my org.) I do backup the stores on my server. I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from oops I deleted a really important message). All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for those who can demonstrate the need. PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their computer on w/outlook open, * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame me when they forget!) * PSTs get corrupted I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out problems I used to have with PSTs! HTH Arron = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 users. Keep all emails in store.. A good idea, but what happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any mailbox size limits)..Back up times increase radically-restore times increase radically!! Hopefully you see my problem now..? -Arttu- -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: Tuesday
RE: PST-file backup problem
Yea, you had something covering your eyes, but it wasn't beer. -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Excellent. I thought I remembered something through the beer haze. -Original Message- From: Adams, Kevin C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Summary from an MS kb article: (222328 ) Outlook locks personal folder files (.pst) while they are in use; it is not possible to copy the .pst file while it is locked. Outlook releases the lock on a .pst file after 30 minutes of inactivity, by default. This article describes how to control the timeout value after which Outlook releases the file lock on a .pst file. -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Not sure on the period of inactivity on the part of the user, but, yea, something like that. Or I could be completely wrong. Its just something that I kinda recall from the back of my mind. Theres not much back there. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Andy, Are you saying that after a 30 minute period of inactivity on the part of the user, that the .pst file file handle will close itself, allowing the file to be backed up correctly? Or are you saying that after 30 minutes of attempting to back them up, the open file handle closes, thereby allowing Veritas to back it up correctly? -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Yep. I have seen that as well. But, like I said, IIRC, at some point the file closes, and it will back them up correctly. (Un)fortunately, I cant test that myself anymore. -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file. It completes the backup job; but marks it as having failed. = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes on psts and you can back them up! -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a very small exception list - pres VPs of my org.) I do backup the stores on my server. I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from oops I deleted a really important message). All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for those who can demonstrate the need. PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their computer on w/outlook open, * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame me when they forget!) * PSTs get corrupted I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out problems I used to have with PSTs! HTH Arron = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VS: PST-file backup problem Hi, and thanx alot for your time!! Yes. We aren using Exchange 2000. We have more than 7000 users. Keep all emails in store.. A good idea, but what happens if you have to crash recover/recover databases or a single mailbox..? If all data is kept in stores(without any
RE: PST-file backup problem
That's what we are talking about :) If you leave your PC with Outlook running, you can't always assume that after 30 minutes Outlook will release the lock on the PST file. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem If it moves it to a PST, then it is a client side rule and OL has to be running. -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Well, I guess the article is correct, but what if Outlook is running and has a rule that moves messages to a PST, and new messages come in more frequently than once per 30 minutes? Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Adams, Kevin C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Summary from an MS kb article: (222328 ) Outlook locks personal folder files (.pst) while they are in use; it is not possible to copy the .pst file while it is locked. Outlook releases the lock on a .pst file after 30 minutes of inactivity, by default. This article describes how to control the timeout value after which Outlook releases the file lock on a .pst file. -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Not sure on the period of inactivity on the part of the user, but, yea, something like that. Or I could be completely wrong. Its just something that I kinda recall from the back of my mind. Theres not much back there. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Andy, Are you saying that after a 30 minute period of inactivity on the part of the user, that the .pst file file handle will close itself, allowing the file to be backed up correctly? Or are you saying that after 30 minutes of attempting to back them up, the open file handle closes, thereby allowing Veritas to back it up correctly? -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem Yep. I have seen that as well. But, like I said, IIRC, at some point the file closes, and it will back them up correctly. (Un)fortunately, I cant test that myself anymore. -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem From what I've seen on my systems, Veritas Backup Exec sees an open PST as corrupt, not as an open file. It completes the backup job; but marks it as having failed. = Arron King Network Systems Administrator Ohio Dominican University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V: 614-251-4515 F: 614-252-2650 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem While I agree with what you are saying in regards to personal folders, IIRC, after (30 min?), the open file handle closes on psts and you can back them up! -Original Message- From: King, Arron S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST-file backup problem FWIW, I don't backup or restore individual mailboxes (with a very small exception list - pres VPs of my org.) I do backup the stores on my server. I have that VIP list in it's own store. I have 2 other stores that hold the remainder of my organization. I use deleted item retention to allow users to self-recover from oops I deleted a really important message). All of my stores have a size limit. Granted the VIP store is really big (but the overall use is pretty small). The other stores have reasonable limits, and I do make exceptions for those who can demonstrate the need. PSTs are evil - Before I was able to get rid of them (at least in the supported sense), I had constant problems: * PSTs don't get backed up when a user leaves their computer on w/outlook open, * Users put passwords on PSTs and then forget (and blame me when they forget!) * PSTs get corrupted I would rather rebuild a server in the very slim event that I had a severe crash versus deal with the day-in, day-out
RE: PST-file backup problem
You didn't mention what your overall system is like, but I'll assume you're using Exchange. If you're concerned about storage space and the data contained in the PST files is important enough to be backed up, you should keep that data managed by Exchange in a Store. Backup is easier, and you will save disk space with the Exchange SIS. (You won't initially magically get SIS by importing [reimporting?] the PST files into Exchange, but as the data grows you will see a difference in your SIS). -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST-file backup problem Hello ! My question deals with PST-files. When backing up PST-files you always have to back up every PST-file. This is because Outlook changes the file every time it's opened etc. So you cannot take just incremental from changed files. Usually you end up backing up all PST-files.. Ok.. so what you say! The problem is that if you have to pay for every Gig you take, you end up paying a lot of money! Is there any third party tool or way to get rid of this problem? Having the same problem? Or is it just me ;) Rgs, -Arttu- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST-file backup problem
You need to ask yourself a couple of questions. Why are you using PST files? Obviously you are using Exchange, so where is the benefit in using PST files? Is keeping them on a file server cheaper than keeping them on an Exchange server? Disk space costs the same on both. If it's a standard vs. enterprise thing, then you have the wrong version and the money you are spending on backups could just as easily be applied to upgrading the Exchange server. Why are you backing them up? If the mail isn't important enough to keep on the Exchange server, it isn't important enough to backup. While we do allow users to keep PST's, we don't allow them to be stored on the network, nor do we back them up. -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST-file backup problem Hello ! My question deals with PST-files. When backing up PST-files you always have to back up every PST-file. This is because Outlook changes the file every time it's opened etc. So you cannot take just incremental from changed files. Usually you end up backing up all PST-files.. Ok.. so what you say! The problem is that if you have to pay for every Gig you take, you end up paying a lot of money! Is there any third party tool or way to get rid of this problem? Having the same problem? Or is it just me ;) Rgs, -Arttu- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST-file backup problem
The third-party tool you need is Microsoft Exchange Server. Leave the mail there. Back it up in one place. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tuomela Arto Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST-file backup problem Hello ! My question deals with PST-files. When backing up PST-files you always have to back up every PST-file. This is because Outlook changes the file every time it's opened etc. So you cannot take just incremental from changed files. Usually you end up backing up all PST-files.. Ok.. so what you say! The problem is that if you have to pay for every Gig you take, you end up paying a lot of money! Is there any third party tool or way to get rid of this problem? Having the same problem? Or is it just me ;) Rgs, -Arttu- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST-file backup problem
I am using outlook 2000, I usually take backup of PST after it is near to 1 Gig. what office version are you using? Irf. -Original Message- From: Tuomela Arto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 12:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST-file backup problem Hello ! My question deals with PST-files. When backing up PST-files you always have to back up every PST-file. This is because Outlook changes the file every time it's opened etc. So you cannot take just incremental from changed files. Usually you end up backing up all PST-files.. Ok.. so what you say! The problem is that if you have to pay for every Gig you take, you end up paying a lot of money! Is there any third party tool or way to get rid of this problem? Having the same problem? Or is it just me ;) Rgs, -Arttu- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST file conversion
http://tinyurl.com/txx0 Or http://support.ximian.com/cgi-bin/ximian.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=a 9jPCSDgp_lva=p_faqid=59p_created=995655179p_sp=cF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY 250PTg3JnBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9JnBfcHJvZF9sdmwxPTImcF9wYWdlPTE*p_li= -Original Message- From: Tim John - Domainz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST file conversion Hi, I expect this isn't really appropriate for this list, but I'll throw in the question anyway! My CEO recently left the organisation - end of his contract, so on good terms - and we exported everything from his mailbox into a PST file for him. Whilst he can access this from his PC at home, the PC he has at his new appointment is a Linux desktop with 'Evolution' as the email client. Is there any way he (or being more specific, I) can open the PST file within Evolution, or transfer the contents of the PST to the equivalent under the new email client ? The simplest way would be to forward everything in the PST file to his new email address, but the PST file is quite large and contains hundreds, probably thousands of emails. Any advice accepted (except to use Outlook - I've tried that one already !) Tim DISCLAIMER: The content of this email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information intended only for the individual or entity named above. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that the use, distribution and publication of the above information is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact Domainz by returning the email and destroying the original. Thank you. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST Problem
When you say local address book, do you mean a .PAB? Also, 1.7 GB is pretty darn big for a PST. Search the HD for Scanpst.exe and run it a bunch of times. Then retire that PST. They typically start to corrupt when they go over a gig though the limit is 2. -Original Message- From: Guy Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 5:57 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST Problem I have a user that is a exchange environment. Everytime she uses her local address book to send a e-mail, her outlook shuts down. Also I have a user that has a 1.7gb .PST file, that is corrupted. Is 1.7gb to big for a PST file ? Also is a way to repair that file? Thanks Guy Stewart MyMyComputerguy.com Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tony Hlabse Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 5:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: M: Drive Removal All Lead Consultants do it. From: Erik L. Vesneski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: M: Drive Removal Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:59:09 -0700 Hi, If I remove the M:\ drive, because we do not need it, outside of the services stopping and starting will client have any impact? Lost email, attachments, etc. I have not seen anything regarding this but wanted to ask the masses. Thanks in advance, Erik L. Vesneski WCDC Intel Lead/Systems Consultant ISO - Intel Systems Ph#: 925-658-6161 www.pmigroup.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PST Problem
Guy, Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 7:56:36 PM, you typed: I have a user that is a exchange environment. Everytime she uses her local address book to send a e-mail, her outlook shuts down. Also I have a user that has a 1.7gb .PST file, that is corrupted. Is 1.7gb to big for a PST file ? Also is a way to repair that file? No but it's getting close. 2GB is the limit (soon to be increased) before you are sure to have problems.. Try using scanpst.exe to repair the file OR check out http://www.slipstick.com for more Outlook help. Run it a few times, pull out what you need and start over. Slipstick is a handy site for Outlook issues. --- Cheers, joeluser Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows NT Clone 5.2 Build 3790 www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST version - revisited
I did try the Microsoft approved method, which was to run a utility that chops off the file at 2G (you have to experiment to find out how much). Chopped off data is lost forever. For reference: I think this utility is caled pst2gb.exe A quick search showed it up on several web sites free of charge. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST version - revisited
Ok not quite figured out. PST's are on cd. Copied to hdd, yes I remembered to uncheck RO. Still not able to access them. Tried scanpst. Not working very well. Any other ideas? TIA, Ali -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:48 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version Subject: RE: PST version Actually, I figured it out... I had opened them with ol2003beta a while back. I'll just wait til the audit is over and re-install officexp. b thanks... -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:31 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version Subject: Re: PST version Maybe it isn't? Did you try running scanpst against it. From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PST version Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:03:23 -0400 Had to rebuild... had office XP, now have office2k. Trying to open my .PST. When I try to add it to the service, a pop-up so thoughtfully informs me: Exchange.PST is not a personal folders store. No, it is not checked read-only. Ideas? TIA, Ali _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST version - revisited
scanpst not working very well. What did it indicate? From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:43:12 -0400 Ok not quite figured out. PST's are on cd. Copied to hdd, yes I remembered to uncheck RO. Still not able to access them. Tried scanpst. Not working very well. Any other ideas? TIA, Ali -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:48 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version Subject: RE: PST version Actually, I figured it out... I had opened them with ol2003beta a while back. I'll just wait til the audit is over and re-install officexp. b thanks... -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:31 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version Subject: Re: PST version Maybe it isn't? Did you try running scanpst against it. From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PST version Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:03:23 -0400 Had to rebuild... had office XP, now have office2k. Trying to open my .PST. When I try to add it to the service, a pop-up so thoughtfully informs me: Exchange.PST is not a personal folders store. No, it is not checked read-only. Ideas? TIA, Ali _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST version - revisited
Remember that OL2003 creates a different type of PST (Unicode format) that cannot be read by other versions of Outlook. Could it be that when you opened the PST originally from within OL2003, you chose to change the format? If so, you will have to open it with OL2003 again. If OLXP will not open it, I would try that next (open with OL2003 Beta) Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:43 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: PST version Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Ok not quite figured out. PST's are on cd. Copied to hdd, yes I remembered to uncheck RO. Still not able to access them. Tried scanpst. Not working very well. Any other ideas? TIA, Ali -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:48 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version Subject: RE: PST version Actually, I figured it out... I had opened them with ol2003beta a while back. I'll just wait til the audit is over and re-install officexp. b thanks... -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:31 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version Subject: Re: PST version Maybe it isn't? Did you try running scanpst against it. From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PST version Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:03:23 -0400 Had to rebuild... had office XP, now have office2k. Trying to open my .PST. When I try to add it to the service, a pop-up so thoughtfully informs me: Exchange.PST is not a personal folders store. No, it is not checked read-only. Ideas? TIA, Ali _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST version - revisited
The first time I ran it- that there were errors. Ran it again on same pst - says there are 4 folders (not even close...). Then I am able to open it, and there is one folder, Deleted Items. *sigh* I'm guessing what's in the log means from a scanpst perspective, I'm screwed. Scanpst log file: **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header !!Header NDB magic incorrect (read=, expected=4E444221) **Attempting to validate AMap !!PMap page @17920: PTYPE mismatch (read 00, expected 83) !!PMap page @17920: BID mismatch (read 0, expected 4600) [...] **Attempting to rebuild BBT **Attempting to scavenge for blocks **Attempting to rebuild NBT **Attempting to scavenge for nodes **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects !!Message store missing PR_PST_PASSWORD !!Message store missing or invalid PR_RECORD_KEY !!Message store missing PR_DISPLAY_NAME !!Message store missing PR_IPM_SUBTREE_ENTRYID !!Receive folder table missing !!Receive folder table missing default message class !!Name-to-id map missing !!Search folder (nid=1E1) missing update queue !!Search activity list missing !!Missing template (nid=60D) !!Missing template (nid=60E) !!Missing template (nid=60F) !!Missing template (nid=610) !!Missing template (nid=692) !!Missing template (nid=671) !!Missing the outgoing queue !!Missing root folder !!Missing IPM_SUBTREE **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages !!Adding folder (nid=8022) back to the database **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency ??Deleting SDO **Updating folder hierarchy **Attempting to fix original file **Attempting to copy back BBT **Attempting to copy back NBT Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency **Updating folder hierarchy Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency **Updating folder hierarchy -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:37 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited scanpst not working very well. What did it indicate? From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:43:12 -0400 Ok not quite figured out. PST's are on cd. Copied to hdd, yes I remembered to uncheck RO. Still not able to access them. Tried scanpst. Not working very well. Any other ideas? TIA, Ali -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:48 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version Subject: RE: PST version Actually, I figured it out... I had opened them with ol2003beta a while back. I'll just wait til the audit is over and re-install officexp. b thanks... -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:31 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version Subject: Re: PST version Maybe it isn't? Did you try running scanpst against it. From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PST version Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:03:23 -0400 Had to rebuild... had office XP, now have office2k. Trying to open my .PST. When I try to add it to the service, a pop-up so thoughtfully informs me: Exchange.PST is not a personal
RE: PST version - revisited
Actually, I'm not so sure on that one anymore. I had them open in office XP long after using the beta. Burned them to cd, have tried opening them in ol2k and olxp, getting ... is not a personal store. See other reply for text of scanpst log. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:45 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Remember that OL2003 creates a different type of PST (Unicode format) that cannot be read by other versions of Outlook. Could it be that when you opened the PST originally from within OL2003, you chose to change the format? If so, you will have to open it with OL2003 again. If OLXP will not open it, I would try that next (open with OL2003 Beta) Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:43 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: PST version Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Ok not quite figured out. PST's are on cd. Copied to hdd, yes I remembered to uncheck RO. Still not able to access them. Tried scanpst. Not working very well. Any other ideas? TIA, Ali -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:48 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version Subject: RE: PST version Actually, I figured it out... I had opened them with ol2003beta a while back. I'll just wait til the audit is over and re-install officexp. b thanks... -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:31 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version Subject: Re: PST version Maybe it isn't? Did you try running scanpst against it. From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PST version Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:03:23 -0400 Had to rebuild... had office XP, now have office2k. Trying to open my .PST. When I try to add it to the service, a pop-up so thoughtfully informs me: Exchange.PST is not a personal folders store. No, it is not checked read-only. Ideas? TIA, Ali _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST version - revisited
Might also try running the pst19upg tool. If it was an old file, this upgrades it to a newer format. Might help, might not. A Google search ought to give you some places to download it. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:50 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited The first time I ran it- that there were errors. Ran it again on same pst - says there are 4 folders (not even close...). Then I am able to open it, and there is one folder, Deleted Items. *sigh* I'm guessing what's in the log means from a scanpst perspective, I'm screwed. Scanpst log file: **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header !!Header NDB magic incorrect (read=, expected=4E444221) **Attempting to validate AMap !!PMap page @17920: PTYPE mismatch (read 00, expected 83) !!PMap page @17920: BID mismatch (read 0, expected 4600) [...] **Attempting to rebuild BBT **Attempting to scavenge for blocks **Attempting to rebuild NBT **Attempting to scavenge for nodes **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects !!Message store missing PR_PST_PASSWORD !!Message store missing or invalid PR_RECORD_KEY !!Message store missing PR_DISPLAY_NAME !!Message store missing PR_IPM_SUBTREE_ENTRYID !!Receive folder table missing !!Receive folder table missing default message class !!Name-to-id map missing !!Search folder (nid=1E1) missing update queue !!Search activity list missing !!Missing template (nid=60D) !!Missing template (nid=60E) !!Missing template (nid=60F) !!Missing template (nid=610) !!Missing template (nid=692) !!Missing template (nid=671) !!Missing the outgoing queue !!Missing root folder !!Missing IPM_SUBTREE **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages !!Adding folder (nid=8022) back to the database **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency ??Deleting SDO **Updating folder hierarchy **Attempting to fix original file **Attempting to copy back BBT **Attempting to copy back NBT Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency **Updating folder hierarchy Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency **Updating folder hierarchy -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:37 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited scanpst not working very well. What did it indicate? From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:43:12 -0400 Ok not quite figured out. PST's are on cd. Copied to hdd, yes I remembered to uncheck RO. Still not able to access them. Tried scanpst. Not working very well. Any other ideas? TIA, Ali -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:48 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version Subject: RE: PST version Actually, I figured it out... I had opened them with ol2003beta a while back. I'll just wait til the audit is over and re-install officexp. b thanks... -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:31 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List
RE: PST version - revisited
pst19upg fails instantly. *sigh*. Thanks tho... -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:56 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Might also try running the pst19upg tool. If it was an old file, this upgrades it to a newer format. Might help, might not. A Google search ought to give you some places to download it. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:50 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited The first time I ran it- that there were errors. Ran it again on same pst - says there are 4 folders (not even close...). Then I am able to open it, and there is one folder, Deleted Items. *sigh* I'm guessing what's in the log means from a scanpst perspective, I'm screwed. Scanpst log file: **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header !!Header NDB magic incorrect (read=, expected=4E444221) **Attempting to validate AMap !!PMap page @17920: PTYPE mismatch (read 00, expected 83) !!PMap page @17920: BID mismatch (read 0, expected 4600) [...] **Attempting to rebuild BBT **Attempting to scavenge for blocks **Attempting to rebuild NBT **Attempting to scavenge for nodes **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects !!Message store missing PR_PST_PASSWORD !!Message store missing or invalid PR_RECORD_KEY !!Message store missing PR_DISPLAY_NAME !!Message store missing PR_IPM_SUBTREE_ENTRYID !!Receive folder table missing !!Receive folder table missing default message class !!Name-to-id map missing !!Search folder (nid=1E1) missing update queue !!Search activity list missing !!Missing template (nid=60D) !!Missing template (nid=60E) !!Missing template (nid=60F) !!Missing template (nid=610) !!Missing template (nid=692) !!Missing template (nid=671) !!Missing the outgoing queue !!Missing root folder !!Missing IPM_SUBTREE **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages !!Adding folder (nid=8022) back to the database **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency ??Deleting SDO **Updating folder hierarchy **Attempting to fix original file **Attempting to copy back BBT **Attempting to copy back NBT Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency **Updating folder hierarchy Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency **Updating folder hierarchy -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:37 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited scanpst not working very well. What did it indicate? From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:43:12 -0400 Ok not quite figured out. PST's are on cd. Copied to hdd, yes I remembered to uncheck RO. Still not able to access them. Tried scanpst. Not working very well. Any other ideas? TIA, Ali -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:48 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version Subject: RE: PST version Actually, I figured it out... I
RE: PST version - revisited
I know this sounds crazy, but clear the archive bit before you do the copy. There was some version of the pst that could not be opened unless you did that prior to copying it. That was documented, but it was awhile ago. -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited pst19upg fails instantly. *sigh*. Thanks tho... -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:56 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Might also try running the pst19upg tool. If it was an old file, this upgrades it to a newer format. Might help, might not. A Google search ought to give you some places to download it. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:50 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited The first time I ran it- that there were errors. Ran it again on same pst - says there are 4 folders (not even close...). Then I am able to open it, and there is one folder, Deleted Items. *sigh* I'm guessing what's in the log means from a scanpst perspective, I'm screwed. Scanpst log file: **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header !!Header NDB magic incorrect (read=, expected=4E444221) **Attempting to validate AMap !!PMap page @17920: PTYPE mismatch (read 00, expected 83) !!PMap page @17920: BID mismatch (read 0, expected 4600) [...] **Attempting to rebuild BBT **Attempting to scavenge for blocks **Attempting to rebuild NBT **Attempting to scavenge for nodes **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects !!Message store missing PR_PST_PASSWORD !!Message store missing or invalid PR_RECORD_KEY !!Message store missing PR_DISPLAY_NAME !!Message store missing PR_IPM_SUBTREE_ENTRYID !!Receive folder table missing !!Receive folder table missing default message class !!Name-to-id map missing !!Search folder (nid=1E1) missing update queue !!Search activity list missing !!Missing template (nid=60D) !!Missing template (nid=60E) !!Missing template (nid=60F) !!Missing template (nid=610) !!Missing template (nid=692) !!Missing template (nid=671) !!Missing the outgoing queue !!Missing root folder !!Missing IPM_SUBTREE **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages !!Adding folder (nid=8022) back to the database **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency ??Deleting SDO **Updating folder hierarchy **Attempting to fix original file **Attempting to copy back BBT **Attempting to copy back NBT Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency **Updating folder hierarchy Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency **Updating folder hierarchy -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:37 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited scanpst not working very well. What did it indicate? From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:43:12 -0400 Ok
RE: PST version - revisited
Hm... before copying would be rather difficult, as this is from a CD. Tried removing the A after copying, didn't seem to help. -Original Message- From: Dryden, Karen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:11 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited I know this sounds crazy, but clear the archive bit before you do the copy. There was some version of the pst that could not be opened unless you did that prior to copying it. That was documented, but it was awhile ago. -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited pst19upg fails instantly. *sigh*. Thanks tho... -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:56 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Might also try running the pst19upg tool. If it was an old file, this upgrades it to a newer format. Might help, might not. A Google search ought to give you some places to download it. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:50 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited The first time I ran it- that there were errors. Ran it again on same pst - says there are 4 folders (not even close...). Then I am able to open it, and there is one folder, Deleted Items. *sigh* I'm guessing what's in the log means from a scanpst perspective, I'm screwed. Scanpst log file: **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header !!Header NDB magic incorrect (read=, expected=4E444221) **Attempting to validate AMap !!PMap page @17920: PTYPE mismatch (read 00, expected 83) !!PMap page @17920: BID mismatch (read 0, expected 4600) [...] **Attempting to rebuild BBT **Attempting to scavenge for blocks **Attempting to rebuild NBT **Attempting to scavenge for nodes **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects !!Message store missing PR_PST_PASSWORD !!Message store missing or invalid PR_RECORD_KEY !!Message store missing PR_DISPLAY_NAME !!Message store missing PR_IPM_SUBTREE_ENTRYID !!Receive folder table missing !!Receive folder table missing default message class !!Name-to-id map missing !!Search folder (nid=1E1) missing update queue !!Search activity list missing !!Missing template (nid=60D) !!Missing template (nid=60E) !!Missing template (nid=60F) !!Missing template (nid=610) !!Missing template (nid=692) !!Missing template (nid=671) !!Missing the outgoing queue !!Missing root folder !!Missing IPM_SUBTREE **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages !!Adding folder (nid=8022) back to the database **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency ??Deleting SDO **Updating folder hierarchy **Attempting to fix original file **Attempting to copy back BBT **Attempting to copy back NBT Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency **Updating folder hierarchy Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency **Updating folder hierarchy -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:37 PM Posted To: List - Exchange
RE: PST version - revisited
Did you remove the R? -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Hm... before copying would be rather difficult, as this is from a CD. Tried removing the A after copying, didn't seem to help. -Original Message- From: Dryden, Karen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:11 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited I know this sounds crazy, but clear the archive bit before you do the copy. There was some version of the pst that could not be opened unless you did that prior to copying it. That was documented, but it was awhile ago. -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited pst19upg fails instantly. *sigh*. Thanks tho... -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:56 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Might also try running the pst19upg tool. If it was an old file, this upgrades it to a newer format. Might help, might not. A Google search ought to give you some places to download it. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:50 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited The first time I ran it- that there were errors. Ran it again on same pst - says there are 4 folders (not even close...). Then I am able to open it, and there is one folder, Deleted Items. *sigh* I'm guessing what's in the log means from a scanpst perspective, I'm screwed. Scanpst log file: **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header !!Header NDB magic incorrect (read=, expected=4E444221) **Attempting to validate AMap !!PMap page @17920: PTYPE mismatch (read 00, expected 83) !!PMap page @17920: BID mismatch (read 0, expected 4600) [...] **Attempting to rebuild BBT **Attempting to scavenge for blocks **Attempting to rebuild NBT **Attempting to scavenge for nodes **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects !!Message store missing PR_PST_PASSWORD !!Message store missing or invalid PR_RECORD_KEY !!Message store missing PR_DISPLAY_NAME !!Message store missing PR_IPM_SUBTREE_ENTRYID !!Receive folder table missing !!Receive folder table missing default message class !!Name-to-id map missing !!Search folder (nid=1E1) missing update queue !!Search activity list missing !!Missing template (nid=60D) !!Missing template (nid=60E) !!Missing template (nid=60F) !!Missing template (nid=610) !!Missing template (nid=692) !!Missing template (nid=671) !!Missing the outgoing queue !!Missing root folder !!Missing IPM_SUBTREE **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages !!Adding folder (nid=8022) back to the database **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency ??Deleting SDO **Updating folder hierarchy **Attempting to fix original file **Attempting to copy back BBT **Attempting to copy back NBT Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency **Updating folder hierarchy Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages **Attempting to check top-level
RE: PST version - revisited
Yep. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:28 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Did you remove the R? -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Hm... before copying would be rather difficult, as this is from a CD. Tried removing the A after copying, didn't seem to help. -Original Message- From: Dryden, Karen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:11 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited I know this sounds crazy, but clear the archive bit before you do the copy. There was some version of the pst that could not be opened unless you did that prior to copying it. That was documented, but it was awhile ago. -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited pst19upg fails instantly. *sigh*. Thanks tho... -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:56 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Might also try running the pst19upg tool. If it was an old file, this upgrades it to a newer format. Might help, might not. A Google search ought to give you some places to download it. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:50 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited The first time I ran it- that there were errors. Ran it again on same pst - says there are 4 folders (not even close...). Then I am able to open it, and there is one folder, Deleted Items. *sigh* I'm guessing what's in the log means from a scanpst perspective, I'm screwed. Scanpst log file: **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header !!Header NDB magic incorrect (read=, expected=4E444221) **Attempting to validate AMap !!PMap page @17920: PTYPE mismatch (read 00, expected 83) !!PMap page @17920: BID mismatch (read 0, expected 4600) [...] **Attempting to rebuild BBT **Attempting to scavenge for blocks **Attempting to rebuild NBT **Attempting to scavenge for nodes **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects !!Message store missing PR_PST_PASSWORD !!Message store missing or invalid PR_RECORD_KEY !!Message store missing PR_DISPLAY_NAME !!Message store missing PR_IPM_SUBTREE_ENTRYID !!Receive folder table missing !!Receive folder table missing default message class !!Name-to-id map missing !!Search folder (nid=1E1) missing update queue !!Search activity list missing !!Missing template (nid=60D) !!Missing template (nid=60E) !!Missing template (nid=60F) !!Missing template (nid=610) !!Missing template (nid=692) !!Missing template (nid=671) !!Missing the outgoing queue !!Missing root folder !!Missing IPM_SUBTREE **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages !!Adding folder (nid=8022) back to the database **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency ??Deleting SDO **Updating folder hierarchy **Attempting to fix original file **Attempting to copy back BBT **Attempting to copy back NBT Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency **Updating folder hierarchy Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting
Re: PST version - revisited
Did you bang your head against your desk? - Original Message - From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:31 PM Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Yep. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:28 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Did you remove the R? -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Hm... before copying would be rather difficult, as this is from a CD. Tried removing the A after copying, didn't seem to help. -Original Message- From: Dryden, Karen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:11 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited I know this sounds crazy, but clear the archive bit before you do the copy. There was some version of the pst that could not be opened unless you did that prior to copying it. That was documented, but it was awhile ago. -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited pst19upg fails instantly. *sigh*. Thanks tho... -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:56 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Might also try running the pst19upg tool. If it was an old file, this upgrades it to a newer format. Might help, might not. A Google search ought to give you some places to download it. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:50 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited The first time I ran it- that there were errors. Ran it again on same pst - says there are 4 folders (not even close...). Then I am able to open it, and there is one folder, Deleted Items. *sigh* I'm guessing what's in the log means from a scanpst perspective, I'm screwed. Scanpst log file: **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header !!Header NDB magic incorrect (read=, expected=4E444221) **Attempting to validate AMap !!PMap page @17920: PTYPE mismatch (read 00, expected 83) !!PMap page @17920: BID mismatch (read 0, expected 4600) [...] **Attempting to rebuild BBT **Attempting to scavenge for blocks **Attempting to rebuild NBT **Attempting to scavenge for nodes **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects !!Message store missing PR_PST_PASSWORD !!Message store missing or invalid PR_RECORD_KEY !!Message store missing PR_DISPLAY_NAME !!Message store missing PR_IPM_SUBTREE_ENTRYID !!Receive folder table missing !!Receive folder table missing default message class !!Name-to-id map missing !!Search folder (nid=1E1) missing update queue !!Search activity list missing !!Missing template (nid=60D) !!Missing template (nid=60E) !!Missing template (nid=60F) !!Missing template (nid=610) !!Missing template (nid=692) !!Missing template (nid=671) !!Missing the outgoing queue !!Missing root folder !!Missing IPM_SUBTREE **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages !!Adding folder (nid=8022) back to the database **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency ??Deleting SDO **Updating folder hierarchy **Attempting to fix original file **Attempting to copy back BBT **Attempting to copy back NBT Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency **Updating folder hierarchy Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery
RE: PST version - revisited
Yep. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:36 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: Re: PST version - revisited Did you bang your head against your desk? - Original Message - From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:31 PM Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Yep. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:28 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Did you remove the R? -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Hm... before copying would be rather difficult, as this is from a CD. Tried removing the A after copying, didn't seem to help. -Original Message- From: Dryden, Karen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:11 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited I know this sounds crazy, but clear the archive bit before you do the copy. There was some version of the pst that could not be opened unless you did that prior to copying it. That was documented, but it was awhile ago. -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited pst19upg fails instantly. *sigh*. Thanks tho... -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:56 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Might also try running the pst19upg tool. If it was an old file, this upgrades it to a newer format. Might help, might not. A Google search ought to give you some places to download it. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:50 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited The first time I ran it- that there were errors. Ran it again on same pst - says there are 4 folders (not even close...). Then I am able to open it, and there is one folder, Deleted Items. *sigh* I'm guessing what's in the log means from a scanpst perspective, I'm screwed. Scanpst log file: **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header !!Header NDB magic incorrect (read=, expected=4E444221) **Attempting to validate AMap !!PMap page @17920: PTYPE mismatch (read 00, expected 83) !!PMap page @17920: BID mismatch (read 0, expected 4600) [...] **Attempting to rebuild BBT **Attempting to scavenge for blocks **Attempting to rebuild NBT **Attempting to scavenge for nodes **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects !!Message store missing PR_PST_PASSWORD !!Message store missing or invalid PR_RECORD_KEY !!Message store missing PR_DISPLAY_NAME !!Message store missing PR_IPM_SUBTREE_ENTRYID !!Receive folder table missing !!Receive folder table missing default message class !!Name-to-id map missing !!Search folder (nid=1E1) missing update queue !!Search activity list missing !!Missing template (nid=60D) !!Missing template (nid=60E) !!Missing template (nid=60F) !!Missing template (nid=610) !!Missing template (nid=692) !!Missing template (nid=671) !!Missing the outgoing queue !!Missing root folder !!Missing IPM_SUBTREE **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages !!Adding folder (nid=8022) back to the database **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency ??Deleting SDO **Updating folder hierarchy **Attempting to fix original file **Attempting to copy back BBT **Attempting to copy back NBT Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any
RE: PST version - revisited
What SP level was the desk at? -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Yep. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:36 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: Re: PST version - revisited Did you bang your head against your desk? - Original Message - From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:31 PM Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Yep. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:28 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Did you remove the R? -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Hm... before copying would be rather difficult, as this is from a CD. Tried removing the A after copying, didn't seem to help. -Original Message- From: Dryden, Karen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:11 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited I know this sounds crazy, but clear the archive bit before you do the copy. There was some version of the pst that could not be opened unless you did that prior to copying it. That was documented, but it was awhile ago. -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited pst19upg fails instantly. *sigh*. Thanks tho... -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:56 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Might also try running the pst19upg tool. If it was an old file, this upgrades it to a newer format. Might help, might not. A Google search ought to give you some places to download it. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:50 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited The first time I ran it- that there were errors. Ran it again on same pst - says there are 4 folders (not even close...). Then I am able to open it, and there is one folder, Deleted Items. *sigh* I'm guessing what's in the log means from a scanpst perspective, I'm screwed. Scanpst log file: **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header !!Header NDB magic incorrect (read=, expected=4E444221) **Attempting to validate AMap !!PMap page @17920: PTYPE mismatch (read 00, expected 83) !!PMap page @17920: BID mismatch (read 0, expected 4600) [...] **Attempting to rebuild BBT **Attempting to scavenge for blocks **Attempting to rebuild NBT **Attempting to scavenge for nodes **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects !!Message store missing PR_PST_PASSWORD !!Message store missing or invalid PR_RECORD_KEY !!Message store missing PR_DISPLAY_NAME !!Message store missing PR_IPM_SUBTREE_ENTRYID !!Receive folder table missing !!Receive folder table missing default message class !!Name-to-id map missing !!Search folder (nid=1E1) missing update queue !!Search activity list missing !!Missing template (nid=60D) !!Missing template (nid=60E) !!Missing template (nid=60F) !!Missing template (nid=610) !!Missing template (nid=692) !!Missing template (nid=671) !!Missing the outgoing queue !!Missing root folder !!Missing IPM_SUBTREE **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages !!Adding folder (nid=8022) back to the database **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency ??Deleting SDO **Updating folder hierarchy **Attempting to fix original file **Attempting to copy back BBT **Attempting to copy back NBT Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT
RE: PST version - revisited
WinXP, sp2? OLXP, sp2 I tried recovering onto an xp box w/olxp, and it didn't seem to help... I can try later to match service packs... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:40 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited What SP level was the desk at? -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Yep. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:36 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: Re: PST version - revisited Did you bang your head against your desk? - Original Message - From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:31 PM Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Yep. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:28 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Did you remove the R? -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Hm... before copying would be rather difficult, as this is from a CD. Tried removing the A after copying, didn't seem to help. -Original Message- From: Dryden, Karen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:11 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited I know this sounds crazy, but clear the archive bit before you do the copy. There was some version of the pst that could not be opened unless you did that prior to copying it. That was documented, but it was awhile ago. -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited pst19upg fails instantly. *sigh*. Thanks tho... -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:56 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Might also try running the pst19upg tool. If it was an old file, this upgrades it to a newer format. Might help, might not. A Google search ought to give you some places to download it. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:50 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited The first time I ran it- that there were errors. Ran it again on same pst - says there are 4 folders (not even close...). Then I am able to open it, and there is one folder, Deleted Items. *sigh* I'm guessing what's in the log means from a scanpst perspective, I'm screwed. Scanpst log file: **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header !!Header NDB magic incorrect (read=, expected=4E444221) **Attempting to validate AMap !!PMap page @17920: PTYPE mismatch (read 00, expected 83) !!PMap page @17920: BID mismatch (read 0, expected 4600) [...] **Attempting to rebuild BBT **Attempting to scavenge for blocks **Attempting to rebuild NBT **Attempting to scavenge for nodes **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects !!Message store missing PR_PST_PASSWORD !!Message store missing or invalid PR_RECORD_KEY !!Message store missing PR_DISPLAY_NAME !!Message store missing PR_IPM_SUBTREE_ENTRYID !!Receive folder table missing !!Receive folder table missing default message class !!Name-to-id map missing !!Search folder (nid=1E1) missing update queue !!Search activity list missing !!Missing template (nid=60D) !!Missing template (nid=60E) !!Missing template (nid=60F) !!Missing template (nid=610) !!Missing template (nid=692) !!Missing template (nid=671) !!Missing the outgoing queue !!Missing root folder !!Missing IPM_SUBTREE **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages !!Adding folder (nid=8022) back to the database **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency ??Deleting SDO **Updating folder hierarchy **Attempting to fix original file
RE: PST version - revisited
I have had good luck repairing bad (over 2G) pst files by using ontrack's easyrecovery utility. I bought the version that does all types of office files (doc, xls, mdb, pst) as well as doing low level hard disk recovery and it was about $500. You can get the various pieces for less. I did try the Microsoft approved method, which was to run a utility that chops off the file at 2G (you have to experiment to find out how much). Chopped off data is lost forever. Then you run scanpst and it can recover some of the data, but in the one I tried it lost all the folder names (it had to make up new names). Using easyrecovery resulted in two good PST's (it was over 2g so the output couldn't fit into one). Everything looked fine in the recovered PST files. Tom -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Ok not quite figured out. PST's are on cd. Copied to hdd, yes I remembered to uncheck RO. Still not able to access them. Tried scanpst. Not working very well. Any other ideas? TIA, Ali -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:48 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version Subject: RE: PST version Actually, I figured it out... I had opened them with ol2003beta a while back. I'll just wait til the audit is over and re-install officexp. b thanks... -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:31 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version Subject: Re: PST version Maybe it isn't? Did you try running scanpst against it. From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PST version Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:03:23 -0400 Had to rebuild... had office XP, now have office2k. Trying to open my .PST. When I try to add it to the service, a pop-up so thoughtfully informs me: Exchange.PST is not a personal folders store. No, it is not checked read-only. Ideas? TIA, Ali _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST version - revisited
Reason #76 why PST=BAD. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alverson, Tom Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: PST version - revisited I have had good luck repairing bad (over 2G) pst files by using ontrack's easyrecovery utility. I bought the version that does all types of office files (doc, xls, mdb, pst) as well as doing low level hard disk recovery and it was about $500. You can get the various pieces for less. I did try the Microsoft approved method, which was to run a utility that chops off the file at 2G (you have to experiment to find out how much). Chopped off data is lost forever. Then you run scanpst and it can recover some of the data, but in the one I tried it lost all the folder names (it had to make up new names). Using easyrecovery resulted in two good PST's (it was over 2g so the output couldn't fit into one). Everything looked fine in the recovered PST files. Tom -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Ok not quite figured out. PST's are on cd. Copied to hdd, yes I remembered to uncheck RO. Still not able to access them. Tried scanpst. Not working very well. Any other ideas? TIA, Ali -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:48 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version Subject: RE: PST version Actually, I figured it out... I had opened them with ol2003beta a while back. I'll just wait til the audit is over and re-install officexp. b thanks... -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:31 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version Subject: Re: PST version Maybe it isn't? Did you try running scanpst against it. From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PST version Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:03:23 -0400 Had to rebuild... had office XP, now have office2k. Trying to open my .PST. When I try to add it to the service, a pop-up so thoughtfully informs me: Exchange.PST is not a personal folders store. No, it is not checked read-only. Ideas? TIA, Ali _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST version - revisited
I meant remove it from the copy you already have, not from the CD. Then copy that one somewhere else. It may not work at all, but it fixed the problem for us in the past. -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Hm... before copying would be rather difficult, as this is from a CD. Tried removing the A after copying, didn't seem to help. -Original Message- From: Dryden, Karen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:11 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited I know this sounds crazy, but clear the archive bit before you do the copy. There was some version of the pst that could not be opened unless you did that prior to copying it. That was documented, but it was awhile ago. -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST version - revisited pst19upg fails instantly. *sigh*. Thanks tho... -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:56 PM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited Might also try running the pst19upg tool. If it was an old file, this upgrades it to a newer format. Might help, might not. A Google search ought to give you some places to download it. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:50 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: PST version - revisited Subject: RE: PST version - revisited The first time I ran it- that there were errors. Ran it again on same pst - says there are 4 folders (not even close...). Then I am able to open it, and there is one folder, Deleted Items. *sigh* I'm guessing what's in the log means from a scanpst perspective, I'm screwed. Scanpst log file: **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header !!Header NDB magic incorrect (read=, expected=4E444221) **Attempting to validate AMap !!PMap page @17920: PTYPE mismatch (read 00, expected 83) !!PMap page @17920: BID mismatch (read 0, expected 4600) [...] **Attempting to rebuild BBT **Attempting to scavenge for blocks **Attempting to rebuild NBT **Attempting to scavenge for nodes **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects !!Message store missing PR_PST_PASSWORD !!Message store missing or invalid PR_RECORD_KEY !!Message store missing PR_DISPLAY_NAME !!Message store missing PR_IPM_SUBTREE_ENTRYID !!Receive folder table missing !!Receive folder table missing default message class !!Name-to-id map missing !!Search folder (nid=1E1) missing update queue !!Search activity list missing !!Missing template (nid=60D) !!Missing template (nid=60E) !!Missing template (nid=60F) !!Missing template (nid=610) !!Missing template (nid=692) !!Missing template (nid=671) !!Missing the outgoing queue !!Missing root folder !!Missing IPM_SUBTREE **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages !!Adding folder (nid=8022) back to the database **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency ??Deleting SDO **Updating folder hierarchy **Attempting to fix original file **Attempting to copy back BBT **Attempting to copy back NBT Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover all top-level objects **Attempting to walk all folders **Attempting to locate any orphaned folders/messages **Attempting to check top-level objects for consistency **Updating folder hierarchy Microsoft (R) Inbox Repair Tool Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1995-1996. All rights reserved. **Beginning NDB recovery **Attempting to open database **Attempting to validate header **Attempting to validate AMap **Attempting to validate BBT **Attempting to validate NBT **Attempting to validate BBT refcounts **Attempting to validate header NID high-water marks **Beginning PST/OST recovery **Attempting to recover
RE: PST version
Actually, I figured it out... I had opened them with ol2003beta a while back. I'll just wait til the audit is over and re-install officexp. b thanks... -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:31 AM Posted To: List - Exchange Server List Conversation: PST version Subject: Re: PST version Maybe it isn't? Did you try running scanpst against it. From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PST version Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:03:23 -0400 Had to rebuild... had office XP, now have office2k. Trying to open my .PST. When I try to add it to the service, a pop-up so thoughtfully informs me: Exchange.PST is not a personal folders store. No, it is not checked read-only. Ideas? TIA, Ali _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PST version
Maybe it isn't? Did you try running scanpst against it. From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PST version Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:03:23 -0400 Had to rebuild... had office XP, now have office2k. Trying to open my .PST. When I try to add it to the service, a pop-up so thoughtfully informs me: Exchange.PST is not a personal folders store. No, it is not checked read-only. Ideas? TIA, Ali _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST version
del *.pst should clear up the issue. -Original Message- From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:03 AM Posted To: swynk Conversation: Exchange Blackberry (RIM) Subject: PST version Had to rebuild... had office XP, now have office2k. Trying to open my .PST. When I try to add it to the service, a pop-up so thoughtfully informs me: Exchange.PST is not a personal folders store. No, it is not checked read-only. Ideas? TIA, Ali _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: .Pst on OWA?
That's why you shouldn't support OWA as a primary client for those people -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 1:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? :) No other way to let OWA users to able to drag their Server Email into their own pc.. -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 1:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? (Imagination, add a custom application integrate into OWA to open a pst file from the workstation not the exchange server :- Pst store in the workstation not exchange ) That cannot work. The file is on the client, OWA runs on the server. What you are asking for is create a new client application that runs on your client computer to open your client PST file. That's not OWA any longer, that's Outlook 97/98/2000/2002/2003. Already exists and does the job opening a PST fairly well. Can you open a Word document stored on your local HD from a Web application without uploading it first? -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 4:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 9:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? Siegfried.. (I knew) You can already use OWA to open somebody else's mailbox calendar or anther public folder because this data is stored on the server. (I knew) I can imagine a custom application to import a PST into the Exchanger server database using a Web browser based interface that integrates into OWA (fairly simple, works here in a simple prototype). (Imagination, add a custom application integrate into OWA to open a pst file from the workstation not the exchange server :- Pst store in the workstation not exchange ) But I cannot imagine how you'd share a drive or PST to open it directly in OWA. It's just two different worlds... forget it since it cannot be done, only can imagine.. :) thanks -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I've though of that b4, I thought the new version is so powerful.. It might can work as how its work with using Outlook Properties with Exchange Server (Intranet) to open Mailbox P.Folder. Browse OWA through IE or etc is just only a browser, enable to open a file from within the workstation through browser is something that i can imagine (of coz,just imagine). Every Management in different Organization requires different thing. In my side, others country staff is using our Exchange Email. Hence they can only manage to open with either email through POP3 or OWA. I would stress to disable POP3. Their only choice left is to open with OWA. They needs to save ALL the items that they have SENT receive. They keep it either for an evidence or for information. No choice, their database is too big for it to keep inside the server. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? So how do you think that would work, exactly? Since OWA is served up on the server, the server would have to know about the PST. But the PST is usually on the workstation. So would you share the drive your PST is on so the server could read it? Sometimes just a little thought helps before asking a question. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fioon Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: .Pst on OWA? Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm
RE: .Pst on OWA?
Why not IMAP?? Chuck -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 10:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? :) No other way to let OWA users to able to drag their Server Email into their own pc.. -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 1:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? (Imagination, add a custom application integrate into OWA to open a pst file from the workstation not the exchange server :- Pst store in the workstation not exchange ) That cannot work. The file is on the client, OWA runs on the server. What you are asking for is create a new client application that runs on your client computer to open your client PST file. That's not OWA any longer, that's Outlook 97/98/2000/2002/2003. Already exists and does the job opening a PST fairly well. Can you open a Word document stored on your local HD from a Web application without uploading it first? -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 4:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 9:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? Siegfried.. (I knew) You can already use OWA to open somebody else's mailbox calendar or anther public folder because this data is stored on the server. (I knew) I can imagine a custom application to import a PST into the Exchanger server database using a Web browser based interface that integrates into OWA (fairly simple, works here in a simple prototype). (Imagination, add a custom application integrate into OWA to open a pst file from the workstation not the exchange server :- Pst store in the workstation not exchange ) But I cannot imagine how you'd share a drive or PST to open it directly in OWA. It's just two different worlds... forget it since it cannot be done, only can imagine.. :) thanks -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I've though of that b4, I thought the new version is so powerful.. It might can work as how its work with using Outlook Properties with Exchange Server (Intranet) to open Mailbox P.Folder. Browse OWA through IE or etc is just only a browser, enable to open a file from within the workstation through browser is something that i can imagine (of coz,just imagine). Every Management in different Organization requires different thing. In my side, others country staff is using our Exchange Email. Hence they can only manage to open with either email through POP3 or OWA. I would stress to disable POP3. Their only choice left is to open with OWA. They needs to save ALL the items that they have SENT receive. They keep it either for an evidence or for information. No choice, their database is too big for it to keep inside the server. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? So how do you think that would work, exactly? Since OWA is served up on the server, the server would have to know about the PST. But the PST is usually on the workstation. So would you share the drive your PST is on so the server could read it? Sometimes just a little thought helps before asking a question. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fioon Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: .Pst on OWA? Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com
RE: .Pst on OWA?
:) No other way to let OWA users to able to drag their Server Email into their own pc.. -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 1:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? (Imagination, add a custom application integrate into OWA to open a pst file from the workstation not the exchange server :- Pst store in the workstation not exchange ) That cannot work. The file is on the client, OWA runs on the server. What you are asking for is create a new client application that runs on your client computer to open your client PST file. That's not OWA any longer, that's Outlook 97/98/2000/2002/2003. Already exists and does the job opening a PST fairly well. Can you open a Word document stored on your local HD from a Web application without uploading it first? -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 4:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 9:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? Siegfried.. (I knew) You can already use OWA to open somebody else's mailbox calendar or anther public folder because this data is stored on the server. (I knew) I can imagine a custom application to import a PST into the Exchanger server database using a Web browser based interface that integrates into OWA (fairly simple, works here in a simple prototype). (Imagination, add a custom application integrate into OWA to open a pst file from the workstation not the exchange server :- Pst store in the workstation not exchange ) But I cannot imagine how you'd share a drive or PST to open it directly in OWA. It's just two different worlds... forget it since it cannot be done, only can imagine.. :) thanks -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I've though of that b4, I thought the new version is so powerful.. It might can work as how its work with using Outlook Properties with Exchange Server (Intranet) to open Mailbox P.Folder. Browse OWA through IE or etc is just only a browser, enable to open a file from within the workstation through browser is something that i can imagine (of coz,just imagine). Every Management in different Organization requires different thing. In my side, others country staff is using our Exchange Email. Hence they can only manage to open with either email through POP3 or OWA. I would stress to disable POP3. Their only choice left is to open with OWA. They needs to save ALL the items that they have SENT receive. They keep it either for an evidence or for information. No choice, their database is too big for it to keep inside the server. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? So how do you think that would work, exactly? Since OWA is served up on the server, the server would have to know about the PST. But the PST is usually on the workstation. So would you share the drive your PST is on so the server could read it? Sometimes just a little thought helps before asking a question. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fioon Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: .Pst on OWA? Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: .Pst on OWA?
No .. you cannot open a PST file through OWA. ** Please prefix your subject header with BETA for posts dealing with Exchange 2003 ** -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:29 AM Subject: .Pst on OWA? Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: .Pst on OWA?
this is disturbing -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 4:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: .Pst on OWA? Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .Pst on OWA?
a newbie, you think? - Original Message - From: Fyodorov, Andrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 08:54 Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? this is disturbing -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 4:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: .Pst on OWA? Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: .Pst on OWA?
Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: .Pst on OWA?
some PSTs are good but in small doses -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm curious... How do you keep the size of the mailboxes down? -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: .Pst on OWA?
By multiplying the data n-times on each users hard drive. Why n-times? Because you loose SIS (Single Instance Storage) if you move data out of the central Exchange Storage database into gazillions of PST files (which are prone to get corrupted, limited to 2GB, slow and other quirks). Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / Development Lead, CDOLive LLC - The Microsoft Messaging and Collaboration Application Experts http://www.cdolive.com -Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I'm curious... How do you keep the size of the mailboxes down? -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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By setting limits on them...they tend to motivate people to clean up their mail, especially when you don't allow them to send mail once they are over their limit. - Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:34 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: .Pst on OWA? Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I'm curious... How do you keep the size of the mailboxes down? -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Outlook Web Access is a *SERVER* application running against the Exchange *SERVER* Store database. A PST *FILE* is a local *CLIENT* copy of data only accessible by a *CLIENT* application like Outlook 97/98/2000/2002/2003. Should answer the question... Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / Development Lead, CDOLive LLC - The Microsoft Messaging and Collaboration Application Experts http://www.cdolive.com -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: .Pst on OWA? Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Unfortunately for me, we can't force people to delete email messages because of different regulations that we need to comply with. We need to comply with a 3 year regulation and a 7 year regulation. I understand that you loose single instance store on PST files and has a lot of quirks but we have a handful of users that have 3GB mailboxes and are asking us why it's taking so long to open up their mailbox when they are in remote locations. We are currently not using an archiving solution but are looking into it. In our current situation, we've been using pst's in small doses for people that have extremely large mailboxes. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions By setting limits on them...they tend to motivate people to clean up their mail, especially when you don't allow them to send mail once they are over their limit. - Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:34 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: .Pst on OWA? Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I'm curious... How do you keep the size of the mailboxes down? -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sounds like it works for you unless people want to search their whole mailbox after moving small doses into a PST. Also, make sure nobody ever tries to switch a 3GB mailbox to a PST ;-) Have fun with PST's :-) I used to use one back in 1998/99 and suffered more than one time from corruption and data loss. Of course if that'll happen the network admin is in charge to recover the data from the local hard drive of the laptop (which is surely backup'ed every night ;-) I'm happy with having all data on the server. I can search, use OWA or IMAP and the server admin (me, Doh!) takes care of the backup too... Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / Development Lead, CDOLive LLC - The Microsoft Messaging and Collaboration Application Experts http://www.cdolive.com -Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? Unfortunately for me, we can't force people to delete email messages because of different regulations that we need to comply with. We need to comply with a 3 year regulation and a 7 year regulation. I understand that you loose single instance store on PST files and has a lot of quirks but we have a handful of users that have 3GB mailboxes and are asking us why it's taking so long to open up their mailbox when they are in remote locations. We are currently not using an archiving solution but are looking into it. In our current situation, we've been using pst's in small doses for people that have extremely large mailboxes. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions By setting limits on them...they tend to motivate people to clean up their mail, especially when you don't allow them to send mail once they are over their limit. - Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:34 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: .Pst on OWA? Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I'm curious... How do you keep the size of the mailboxes down? -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: .Pst on OWA?
www.kvault.com ** Please prefix your subject header with BETA for posts dealing with Exchange 2003 ** -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Original Message - From: Carmila Fresco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I'm curious... How do you keep the size of the mailboxes down? -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Should we consider that as SPAM? gdr Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / Development Lead, CDOLive LLC - The Microsoft Messaging and Collaboration Application Experts http://www.cdolive.com -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 8:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: .Pst on OWA? www.kvault.com ** Please prefix your subject header with BETA for posts dealing with Exchange 2003 ** -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Original Message - From: Carmila Fresco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I'm curious... How do you keep the size of the mailboxes down? -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: .Pst on OWA?
Yup, it ain't fun since I'd rather have everything on the server. I don't leave the pst file on the local hard drive. They very rarely access the pst files so I've moved the pst files on to a NAS box where it's being backed up every night and if I need to do a search on those, I use Active Folders. If they need to archive, we've been archiving by deal (only the dead/completed deals) -- one pst file per deal so the pst file usually never gets anywhere near 1 GB. -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Sounds like it works for you unless people want to search their whole mailbox after moving small doses into a PST. Also, make sure nobody ever tries to switch a 3GB mailbox to a PST ;-) Have fun with PST's :-) I used to use one back in 1998/99 and suffered more than one time from corruption and data loss. Of course if that'll happen the network admin is in charge to recover the data from the local hard drive of the laptop (which is surely backup'ed every night ;-) I'm happy with having all data on the server. I can search, use OWA or IMAP and the server admin (me, Doh!) takes care of the backup too... Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / Development Lead, CDOLive LLC - The Microsoft Messaging and Collaboration Application Experts http://www.cdolive.com -Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? Unfortunately for me, we can't force people to delete email messages because of different regulations that we need to comply with. We need to comply with a 3 year regulation and a 7 year regulation. I understand that you loose single instance store on PST files and has a lot of quirks but we have a handful of users that have 3GB mailboxes and are asking us why it's taking so long to open up their mailbox when they are in remote locations. We are currently not using an archiving solution but are looking into it. In our current situation, we've been using pst's in small doses for people that have extremely large mailboxes. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions By setting limits on them...they tend to motivate people to clean up their mail, especially when you don't allow them to send mail once they are over their limit. - Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:34 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: .Pst on OWA? Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I'm curious... How do you keep the size of the mailboxes down? -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown
RE: .Pst on OWA?
Sounds like a good way to save your life ;-) I wish more folks would do it that way... -Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 8:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? Yup, it ain't fun since I'd rather have everything on the server. I don't leave the pst file on the local hard drive. They very rarely access the pst files so I've moved the pst files on to a NAS box where it's being backed up every night and if I need to do a search on those, I use Active Folders. If they need to archive, we've been archiving by deal (only the dead/completed deals) -- one pst file per deal so the pst file usually never gets anywhere near 1 GB. -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Sounds like it works for you unless people want to search their whole mailbox after moving small doses into a PST. Also, make sure nobody ever tries to switch a 3GB mailbox to a PST ;-) Have fun with PST's :-) I used to use one back in 1998/99 and suffered more than one time from corruption and data loss. Of course if that'll happen the network admin is in charge to recover the data from the local hard drive of the laptop (which is surely backup'ed every night ;-) I'm happy with having all data on the server. I can search, use OWA or IMAP and the server admin (me, Doh!) takes care of the backup too... Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / Development Lead, CDOLive LLC - The Microsoft Messaging and Collaboration Application Experts http://www.cdolive.com -Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? Unfortunately for me, we can't force people to delete email messages because of different regulations that we need to comply with. We need to comply with a 3 year regulation and a 7 year regulation. I understand that you loose single instance store on PST files and has a lot of quirks but we have a handful of users that have 3GB mailboxes and are asking us why it's taking so long to open up their mailbox when they are in remote locations. We are currently not using an archiving solution but are looking into it. In our current situation, we've been using pst's in small doses for people that have extremely large mailboxes. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions By setting limits on them...they tend to motivate people to clean up their mail, especially when you don't allow them to send mail once they are over their limit. - Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:34 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: .Pst on OWA? Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I'm curious... How do you keep the size of the mailboxes down? -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm
RE: .Pst on OWA?
That's fine. PST's aren't a good way to comply with those regulations though, because then you still lose both administrative control of that data as well as the ability to back it up. There's this cool product from Kvault that is designed to address those issues though... -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? Unfortunately for me, we can't force people to delete email messages because of different regulations that we need to comply with. We need to comply with a 3 year regulation and a 7 year regulation. I understand that you loose single instance store on PST files and has a lot of quirks but we have a handful of users that have 3GB mailboxes and are asking us why it's taking so long to open up their mailbox when they are in remote locations. We are currently not using an archiving solution but are looking into it. In our current situation, we've been using pst's in small doses for people that have extremely large mailboxes. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions By setting limits on them...they tend to motivate people to clean up their mail, especially when you don't allow them to send mail once they are over their limit. - Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:34 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: .Pst on OWA? Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I'm curious... How do you keep the size of the mailboxes down? -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: .Pst on OWA?
http://www.bruceisapimp.com -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: .Pst on OWA? www.kvault.com ** Please prefix your subject header with BETA for posts dealing with Exchange 2003 ** -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Original Message - From: Carmila Fresco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I'm curious... How do you keep the size of the mailboxes down? -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .Pst on OWA?
Not really .. it is a solution that enables you to get rid of those pesky PSTs and still keep the size of your stores down to the size you want without bothering the users too much. ** Please prefix your subject header with BETA for posts dealing with Exchange 2003 ** -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Original Message - From: Siegfried Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 8:04 PM Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? Should we consider that as SPAM? gdr Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / Development Lead, CDOLive LLC - The Microsoft Messaging and Collaboration Application Experts http://www.cdolive.com -Original Message- From: Martin Tuip [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 8:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: .Pst on OWA? www.kvault.com ** Please prefix your subject header with BETA for posts dealing with Exchange 2003 ** -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Original Message - From: Carmila Fresco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I'm curious... How do you keep the size of the mailboxes down? -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: .Pst on OWA?
I've actually downloaded their demo but I haven't got around to playing with it on my test lab. It hasn't really been an administrative nightmare ever since we moved the pst files to a central location. Though it does need a lot of cooperation from the user community and intervention from IT. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions That's fine. PST's aren't a good way to comply with those regulations though, because then you still lose both administrative control of that data as well as the ability to back it up. There's this cool product from Kvault that is designed to address those issues though... -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? Unfortunately for me, we can't force people to delete email messages because of different regulations that we need to comply with. We need to comply with a 3 year regulation and a 7 year regulation. I understand that you loose single instance store on PST files and has a lot of quirks but we have a handful of users that have 3GB mailboxes and are asking us why it's taking so long to open up their mailbox when they are in remote locations. We are currently not using an archiving solution but are looking into it. In our current situation, we've been using pst's in small doses for people that have extremely large mailboxes. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions By setting limits on them...they tend to motivate people to clean up their mail, especially when you don't allow them to send mail once they are over their limit. - Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:34 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: .Pst on OWA? Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I'm curious... How do you keep the size of the mailboxes down? -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin
RE: .Pst on OWA?
A... A financial institution. One of the nice features of KVS is the ability to allow your compliance officers to search only those mailboxes for the areas that they are responsible for. It cuts way down on the false positives that will happen with more common words. It also allows you to push the responsibility of looking at the data to the owners of the data. You only need to provide them with the proper access rights and if you manage it well, that means very little work for you in the long run. One of the largest problems that I encounter during an investigation or discovery is that I have no idea what they are looking for. I'm not a securities specialist. I'm not a investment banker. I'm not even a financial person. I can't decide what is appropriate for the workplace and what isn't. This allows you to let them manage that and you have time to do your job. -Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I've actually downloaded their demo but I haven't got around to playing with it on my test lab. It hasn't really been an administrative nightmare ever since we moved the pst files to a central location. Though it does need a lot of cooperation from the user community and intervention from IT. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions That's fine. PST's aren't a good way to comply with those regulations though, because then you still lose both administrative control of that data as well as the ability to back it up. There's this cool product from Kvault that is designed to address those issues though... -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? Unfortunately for me, we can't force people to delete email messages because of different regulations that we need to comply with. We need to comply with a 3 year regulation and a 7 year regulation. I understand that you loose single instance store on PST files and has a lot of quirks but we have a handful of users that have 3GB mailboxes and are asking us why it's taking so long to open up their mailbox when they are in remote locations. We are currently not using an archiving solution but are looking into it. In our current situation, we've been using pst's in small doses for people that have extremely large mailboxes. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions By setting limits on them...they tend to motivate people to clean up their mail, especially when you don't allow them to send mail once they are over their limit. - Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:34 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: .Pst on OWA? Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I'm curious... How do you keep the size of the mailboxes down? -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting
RE: .Pst on OWA?
At the bare minimum, you've given up centralized administrative control, which IMO is a bad thing when it comes to regulatory compliance. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I've actually downloaded their demo but I haven't got around to playing with it on my test lab. It hasn't really been an administrative nightmare ever since we moved the pst files to a central location. Though it does need a lot of cooperation from the user community and intervention from IT. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions That's fine. PST's aren't a good way to comply with those regulations though, because then you still lose both administrative control of that data as well as the ability to back it up. There's this cool product from Kvault that is designed to address those issues though... -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? Unfortunately for me, we can't force people to delete email messages because of different regulations that we need to comply with. We need to comply with a 3 year regulation and a 7 year regulation. I understand that you loose single instance store on PST files and has a lot of quirks but we have a handful of users that have 3GB mailboxes and are asking us why it's taking so long to open up their mailbox when they are in remote locations. We are currently not using an archiving solution but are looking into it. In our current situation, we've been using pst's in small doses for people that have extremely large mailboxes. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions By setting limits on them...they tend to motivate people to clean up their mail, especially when you don't allow them to send mail once they are over their limit. - Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:34 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: .Pst on OWA? Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I'm curious... How do you keep the size of the mailboxes down? -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact
RE: .Pst on OWA?
So how do you think that would work, exactly? Since OWA is served up on the server, the server would have to know about the PST. But the PST is usually on the workstation. So would you share the drive your PST is on so the server could read it? Sometimes just a little thought helps before asking a question. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fioon Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: .Pst on OWA? Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: .Pst on OWA?
I agree with you that it's a lot better to keep everything in exchange that's why I'm seriously pursuing the idea of getting an archiving solution. In our current situation where we do not have the archiving solution, it's either we leave all the email messages on the server and probably at this point, we'd have users that would have 8GB mailboxes and probably the total size of the information store would be at the 250GB mark or archive the mail messages into smaller pst files and put them in a central location (NAS box). I still do have control since it's searchable, and I can run policies on it (using a 3rd party app) and users have stopped bugging us why their 3 GB mailboxes take forever to open up when they're dialing into our network on a 56Kbps line. It's far from ideal but it works for us right now and I'm looking forward to have a better solution. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions At the bare minimum, you've given up centralized administrative control, which IMO is a bad thing when it comes to regulatory compliance. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I've actually downloaded their demo but I haven't got around to playing with it on my test lab. It hasn't really been an administrative nightmare ever since we moved the pst files to a central location. Though it does need a lot of cooperation from the user community and intervention from IT. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions That's fine. PST's aren't a good way to comply with those regulations though, because then you still lose both administrative control of that data as well as the ability to back it up. There's this cool product from Kvault that is designed to address those issues though... -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? Unfortunately for me, we can't force people to delete email messages because of different regulations that we need to comply with. We need to comply with a 3 year regulation and a 7 year regulation. I understand that you loose single instance store on PST files and has a lot of quirks but we have a handful of users that have 3GB mailboxes and are asking us why it's taking so long to open up their mailbox when they are in remote locations. We are currently not using an archiving solution but are looking into it. In our current situation, we've been using pst's in small doses for people that have extremely large mailboxes. -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions By setting limits on them...they tend to motivate people to clean up their mail, especially when you don't allow them to send mail once they are over their limit. - Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:34 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: .Pst on OWA? Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I'm curious... How do you keep the size of the mailboxes down? -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot
RE: .Pst on OWA?
The delete key works wonders. -Original Message- From: Carmila Fresco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 13:34 To: Exchange Discussions I'm curious... How do you keep the size of the mailboxes down? -Original Message- From: Public Folder: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. a newbie, you think? Um PST=BAD!!! -Kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message may contain information that is confidential and proprietary to Babcock Brown or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy the original and any copies of the original message. Babcock Brown takes measures to protect the content of its communications. However, Babcock Brown cannot guarantee that email messages will not be intercepted by third parties or that email messages will be free of errors or viruses. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: .Pst on OWA?
I've though of that b4, I thought the new version is so powerful.. It might can work as how its work with using Outlook Properties with Exchange Server (Intranet) to open Mailbox P.Folder. Browse OWA through IE or etc is just only a browser, enable to open a file from within the workstation through browser is something that i can imagine (of coz,just imagine). Every Management in different Organization requires different thing. In my side, others country staff is using our Exchange Email. Hence they can only manage to open with either email through POP3 or OWA. I would stress to disable POP3. Their only choice left is to open with OWA. They needs to save ALL the items that they have SENT receive. They keep it either for an evidence or for information. No choice, their database is too big for it to keep inside the server. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? So how do you think that would work, exactly? Since OWA is served up on the server, the server would have to know about the PST. But the PST is usually on the workstation. So would you share the drive your PST is on so the server could read it? Sometimes just a little thought helps before asking a question. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fioon Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: .Pst on OWA? Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: .Pst on OWA?
You can already use OWA to open somebody else's mailbox calendar or anther public folder because this data is stored on the server. I can imagine a custom application to import a PST into the Exchanger server database using a Web browser based interface that integrates into OWA (fairly simple, works here in a simple prototype). But I cannot imagine how you'd share a drive or PST to open it directly in OWA. It's just two different worlds... -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I've though of that b4, I thought the new version is so powerful.. It might can work as how its work with using Outlook Properties with Exchange Server (Intranet) to open Mailbox P.Folder. Browse OWA through IE or etc is just only a browser, enable to open a file from within the workstation through browser is something that i can imagine (of coz,just imagine). Every Management in different Organization requires different thing. In my side, others country staff is using our Exchange Email. Hence they can only manage to open with either email through POP3 or OWA. I would stress to disable POP3. Their only choice left is to open with OWA. They needs to save ALL the items that they have SENT receive. They keep it either for an evidence or for information. No choice, their database is too big for it to keep inside the server. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? So how do you think that would work, exactly? Since OWA is served up on the server, the server would have to know about the PST. But the PST is usually on the workstation. So would you share the drive your PST is on so the server could read it? Sometimes just a little thought helps before asking a question. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fioon Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: .Pst on OWA? Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: .Pst on OWA?
-Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 9:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? Siegfried.. (I knew) You can already use OWA to open somebody else's mailbox calendar or anther public folder because this data is stored on the server. (I knew) I can imagine a custom application to import a PST into the Exchanger server database using a Web browser based interface that integrates into OWA (fairly simple, works here in a simple prototype). (Imagination, add a custom application integrate into OWA to open a pst file from the workstation not the exchange server :- Pst store in the workstation not exchange ) But I cannot imagine how you'd share a drive or PST to open it directly in OWA. It's just two different worlds... forget it since it cannot be done, only can imagine.. :) thanks -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I've though of that b4, I thought the new version is so powerful.. It might can work as how its work with using Outlook Properties with Exchange Server (Intranet) to open Mailbox P.Folder. Browse OWA through IE or etc is just only a browser, enable to open a file from within the workstation through browser is something that i can imagine (of coz,just imagine). Every Management in different Organization requires different thing. In my side, others country staff is using our Exchange Email. Hence they can only manage to open with either email through POP3 or OWA. I would stress to disable POP3. Their only choice left is to open with OWA. They needs to save ALL the items that they have SENT receive. They keep it either for an evidence or for information. No choice, their database is too big for it to keep inside the server. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? So how do you think that would work, exactly? Since OWA is served up on the server, the server would have to know about the PST. But the PST is usually on the workstation. So would you share the drive your PST is on so the server could read it? Sometimes just a little thought helps before asking a question. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fioon Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: .Pst on OWA? Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: .Pst on OWA?
(Imagination, add a custom application integrate into OWA to open a pst file from the workstation not the exchange server :- Pst store in the workstation not exchange ) That cannot work. The file is on the client, OWA runs on the server. What you are asking for is create a new client application that runs on your client computer to open your client PST file. That's not OWA any longer, that's Outlook 97/98/2000/2002/2003. Already exists and does the job opening a PST fairly well. Can you open a Word document stored on your local HD from a Web application without uploading it first? -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 4:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 9:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? Siegfried.. (I knew) You can already use OWA to open somebody else's mailbox calendar or anther public folder because this data is stored on the server. (I knew) I can imagine a custom application to import a PST into the Exchanger server database using a Web browser based interface that integrates into OWA (fairly simple, works here in a simple prototype). (Imagination, add a custom application integrate into OWA to open a pst file from the workstation not the exchange server :- Pst store in the workstation not exchange ) But I cannot imagine how you'd share a drive or PST to open it directly in OWA. It's just two different worlds... forget it since it cannot be done, only can imagine.. :) thanks -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? I've though of that b4, I thought the new version is so powerful.. It might can work as how its work with using Outlook Properties with Exchange Server (Intranet) to open Mailbox P.Folder. Browse OWA through IE or etc is just only a browser, enable to open a file from within the workstation through browser is something that i can imagine (of coz,just imagine). Every Management in different Organization requires different thing. In my side, others country staff is using our Exchange Email. Hence they can only manage to open with either email through POP3 or OWA. I would stress to disable POP3. Their only choice left is to open with OWA. They needs to save ALL the items that they have SENT receive. They keep it either for an evidence or for information. No choice, their database is too big for it to keep inside the server. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: .Pst on OWA? So how do you think that would work, exactly? Since OWA is served up on the server, the server would have to know about the PST. But the PST is usually on the workstation. So would you share the drive your PST is on so the server could read it? Sometimes just a little thought helps before asking a question. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fioon Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: .Pst on OWA? Anyone knows that can OWA in 2k or 2k3 able to open .pst? Decide to close POP3, it will have problem on limited mailbox space. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: PST database?
I have also seen the product ZYINDEX do that. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: PST database? Depending on the the underlying need and processes involved, the following solutions may be of use: PST Attender http://www.sherpasoftware.com/PSTOverview.shtml KVAULT http://www.kvault.com/ Both offer functionality with regards to the searching of PST files, KVS, Inc. having the longer track record and more interesting long term solutions IMO. Those are off the top of my head, you might also look at www.mail-resources.com in the web links section, but I don't think I have any other products listed there which fit the bill. -- Chris Scharff, MVP-Exchange MessageOne Emergency Messaging System: http://www.messageone.com/EMS.asp Free Custom OWA Screens:http://www.messageone.com/m1owa/index.asp On 3/17/03 10:43, Ashraph, Elizabeth A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Does anyone know of a database-based application that is capable of importing PST files into a single searchable database, (Other than Exchange or Lotus Notes), preserving all dates and attachments. We have a need to restore and search a lot of historical email data already in PST format on an ongoing basis, and looking for an inhouse solution. Thanks. Liz Ashraph [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PST database?
Depending on the the underlying need and processes involved, the following solutions may be of use: PST Attender http://www.sherpasoftware.com/PSTOverview.shtml KVAULT http://www.kvault.com/ Both offer functionality with regards to the searching of PST files, KVS, Inc. having the longer track record and more interesting long term solutions IMO. Those are off the top of my head, you might also look at www.mail-resources.com in the web links section, but I don't think I have any other products listed there which fit the bill. -- Chris Scharff, MVP-Exchange MessageOne Emergency Messaging System: http://www.messageone.com/EMS.asp Free Custom OWA Screens:http://www.messageone.com/m1owa/index.asp On 3/17/03 10:43, Ashraph, Elizabeth A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Does anyone know of a database-based application that is capable of importing PST files into a single searchable database, (Other than Exchange or Lotus Notes), preserving all dates and attachments. We have a need to restore and search a lot of historical email data already in PST format on an ongoing basis, and looking for an inhouse solution. Thanks. Liz Ashraph [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PST over 2Gig repair notes...
IIRC there is a solution for Ol2K as well... Included in an SR or on the officeupdate site? www.slipstick.com probably has a link. One would think that a combination of the last good backup of the PST file + Deleted Items Retention would have made the tale of woe unnecessary. Not that $500 is expensive, but the money would clearly be better served adding hard disk to the IT MP3 server. On 2/20/03 8:53, Alverson, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had a user try to clean up his server mailbox by dragging everything into his PST. He is using Outlook 2000, which was quite happy to stuff messages into the PST until it was destroyed. tale of woe Is there any way to prevent Outlook 2000 from overstuffing a PST?? I am pretty sure that Outlook 2002 pops up a warning or something when you are about to get into trouble. It seems like this huge flaw in outlook should have been addressed by a service pack. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST Files on a network share
-Original Message- From: Aristotle Zoulas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST Files on a network share As an IT Manager of a decent size organization, I would say the most valuable employees get the job done with the resources at hand. I'd argue that the most valuable employees are those who understand the technological issues as well as the driving business needs. There's something to be said for an employee who implements a new solution which solves a problem and adds to the companies bottom line through increased productivity or reduced cost. If employee a proposes a solution which solves the problem using the resources at hand and employee b proposes a solution which costs 5k, but saves 10k can one unequivocally say that a is more valuable than b? There have been many articles that show too many IT Departments today are OVER- RAIDED, Over Staffed, and Over-Redundant. The idea of throwing money at something to make it 'go away', is for the uneducated. There are levels of risk and degrees of safety. The maximum is not for everybody. True. But there are certain minimums which time and experience have shown to be inadequate. Looking specifically at PST files on file shares could one store the data there? Yes. Savings in this example: The cost of an upgrade to an Exchange enterprise CAL. Next year when a court order for e-mail document discovery is received, that Exchange enterprise CAL cost is likely going to pale in comparison to the cost required to grep PST files for relavent documents. To go out and spend money to get a job done is simple. To get it done without spending money (or spending less) requires thinking and planning. An apples and oranges comparison. Any solution, whether it is 'free' or requires a capital expenditure must first be subjected to thought and planning. As an example, removing the ability to send high risk files (*.pif, *.bat, etc.) within exchange drastically reduces the likelihood of getting a virus in your company. To not perform the above and to opt to get some EXPENSIVE software is doing your company an injustice. Without implementing an AV solution or upgrading clients to a version of Outlook which can block those file types, the ability to perform the actions you describe cannot be achieved. Both can potentially require a capital expenditure. It is our duty to get the job done while keeping expenses low. All while presenting risk levels and exposure to the company owners. If they will pay for it, let them decide. I'd contend it is our duty to understand the business needs of our organization and to propose and implement solutions which best meet the needs of our customers (from both a financial and productivity standpoint). I have no qualms about proposing implementing a multi-million dollar solution or a $500 solution for a customer if the solution benefits the company. Sure, either proposal might get put off or rejected but there are times that a solution is worth fighting for (hence my 4 requests for AV software in a 12 month period). Doing it as cheaply as possible or spending money when you have it available to spend are both stupid philosophies in and of themselves. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST Files on a network share Mr. Tech, I've worked for companies with 3 employees to 130k employees. I've seen managers and CxO's focused different things at every level. I've seen small companies which were visionary in the tech spending and technology implementations and fortune 500 companies who had IT shops so bad I wouldn't piss on them when they burst into flames (and they will). There is no large company utopia of unlimited resources, one could rephrase your question and wonder where small companies come from in thinking that large organizations have unlimited resources to throw at problems and that their issues are unique to them because they are small fish. When I worked for $vbc I put in 4 requests for an enterprise AV solution ($65k) and had it turned down all four times. Only when they finally got hammered by a virus did they come to me and direct me to implement a solution to prevent it from happening again. Sure sometimes people are forced into suboptimal situations. I know of one large credit organization which allows PST files on network shares, but that doesn't make it a good idea. I for one and happy when someone warns me it will hurt to hit myself in the head with an axe before I try it. If you really want to get into an in depth discussion of budget, resource and user management I'll send you my consulting rate. But as I see it your arguments against improvements in IT process management are currently a bit weak. BTW, Exchange standard has a 16GB limit BTW, not an 18GB
RE: PST Files on a network share
Are the disks on your file server cheaper than the disks in your Exchange server? It is cheaper to own standard edition of Exchange than Enterprise, standard has an 18gb limit. Some companies have a freeze on upgrading, so what do you suggest to administrators that do not work in the Utopia of a large corporation with resources. Most users claim not to have the time or feel their mail is too important to delete. Yes including the Amazon special offers. Most small companies do not care about working the right way in the long run, they want to know what is the cheapest way in the short term. They might not be around next year. My feelings are that with that attitude no wonder, but many of us work for those companies and have a boss that is only looking at today and keeping his job. When you guys reply to these messages I just wonder whether you know who the audience on this list are? From the dizzy heights of Compaq it may seem odd that admins keep making the same mistakes but many admins propose the correct solution only to actually do what is approved three of four declines later. Nathan _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST Files on a network share
Mr. Tech, I've worked for companies with 3 employees to 130k employees. I've seen managers and CxO's focused different things at every level. I've seen small companies which were visionary in the tech spending and technology implementations and fortune 500 companies who had IT shops so bad I wouldn't piss on them when they burst into flames (and they will). There is no large company utopia of unlimited resources, one could rephrase your question and wonder where small companies come from in thinking that large organizations have unlimited resources to throw at problems and that their issues are unique to them because they are small fish. When I worked for $vbc I put in 4 requests for an enterprise AV solution ($65k) and had it turned down all four times. Only when they finally got hammered by a virus did they come to me and direct me to implement a solution to prevent it from happening again. Sure sometimes people are forced into suboptimal situations. I know of one large credit organization which allows PST files on network shares, but that doesn't make it a good idea. I for one and happy when someone warns me it will hurt to hit myself in the head with an axe before I try it. If you really want to get into an in depth discussion of budget, resource and user management I'll send you my consulting rate. But as I see it your arguments against improvements in IT process management are currently a bit weak. BTW, Exchange standard has a 16GB limit BTW, not an 18GB limit. -Original Message- From: tech [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST Files on a network share Are the disks on your file server cheaper than the disks in your Exchange server? It is cheaper to own standard edition of Exchange than Enterprise, standard has an 18gb limit. Some companies have a freeze on upgrading, so what do you suggest to administrators that do not work in the Utopia of a large corporation with resources. Most users claim not to have the time or feel their mail is too important to delete. Yes including the Amazon special offers. Most small companies do not care about working the right way in the long run, they want to know what is the cheapest way in the short term. They might not be around next year. My feelings are that with that attitude no wonder, but many of us work for those companies and have a boss that is only looking at today and keeping his job. When you guys reply to these messages I just wonder whether you know who the audience on this list are? From the dizzy heights of Compaq it may seem odd that admins keep making the same mistakes but many admins propose the correct solution only to actually do what is approved three of four declines later. Nathan _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST Files on a network share
As an IT Manager of a decent size organization, I would say the most valuable employees get the job done with the resources at hand. There have been many articles that show too many IT Departments today are OVER-RAIDED, Over Staffed, and Over-Redundant. The idea of throwing money at something to make it 'go away', is for the uneducated. There are levels of risk and degrees of safety. The maximum is not for everybody. To go out and spend money to get a job done is simple. To get it done without spending money (or spending less) requires thinking and planning. As an example, removing the ability to send high risk files (*.pif, *.bat, etc.) within exchange drastically reduces the likelihood of getting a virus in your company. To not perform the above and to opt to get some EXPENSIVE software is doing your company an injustice. It is our duty to get the job done while keeping expenses low. All while presenting risk levels and exposure to the company owners. If they will pay for it, let them decide. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST Files on a network share Mr. Tech, I've worked for companies with 3 employees to 130k employees. I've seen managers and CxO's focused different things at every level. I've seen small companies which were visionary in the tech spending and technology implementations and fortune 500 companies who had IT shops so bad I wouldn't piss on them when they burst into flames (and they will). There is no large company utopia of unlimited resources, one could rephrase your question and wonder where small companies come from in thinking that large organizations have unlimited resources to throw at problems and that their issues are unique to them because they are small fish. When I worked for $vbc I put in 4 requests for an enterprise AV solution ($65k) and had it turned down all four times. Only when they finally got hammered by a virus did they come to me and direct me to implement a solution to prevent it from happening again. Sure sometimes people are forced into suboptimal situations. I know of one large credit organization which allows PST files on network shares, but that doesn't make it a good idea. I for one and happy when someone warns me it will hurt to hit myself in the head with an axe before I try it. If you really want to get into an in depth discussion of budget, resource and user management I'll send you my consulting rate. But as I see it your arguments against improvements in IT process management are currently a bit weak. BTW, Exchange standard has a 16GB limit BTW, not an 18GB limit. -Original Message- From: tech [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST Files on a network share Are the disks on your file server cheaper than the disks in your Exchange server? It is cheaper to own standard edition of Exchange than Enterprise, standard has an 18gb limit. Some companies have a freeze on upgrading, so what do you suggest to administrators that do not work in the Utopia of a large corporation with resources. Most users claim not to have the time or feel their mail is too important to delete. Yes including the Amazon special offers. Most small companies do not care about working the right way in the long run, they want to know what is the cheapest way in the short term. They might not be around next year. My feelings are that with that attitude no wonder, but many of us work for those companies and have a boss that is only looking at today and keeping his job. When you guys reply to these messages I just wonder whether you know who the audience on this list are? From the dizzy heights of Compaq it may seem odd that admins keep making the same mistakes but many admins propose the correct solution only to actually do what is approved three of four declines later. Nathan _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST Files on a network share
As long as you are within your budget, who cares. Just because you spend a lot of money doesn't mean you are stupid. If the money is there take it and use the resources that are available. You don't have to stick with the basics and try to make it work. -Original Message- From: Aristotle Zoulas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 3:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST Files on a network share As an IT Manager of a decent size organization, I would say the most valuable employees get the job done with the resources at hand. There have been many articles that show too many IT Departments today are OVER-RAIDED, Over Staffed, and Over-Redundant. The idea of throwing money at something to make it 'go away', is for the uneducated. There are levels of risk and degrees of safety. The maximum is not for everybody. To go out and spend money to get a job done is simple. To get it done without spending money (or spending less) requires thinking and planning. As an example, removing the ability to send high risk files (*.pif, *.bat, etc.) within exchange drastically reduces the likelihood of getting a virus in your company. To not perform the above and to opt to get some EXPENSIVE software is doing your company an injustice. It is our duty to get the job done while keeping expenses low. All while presenting risk levels and exposure to the company owners. If they will pay for it, let them decide. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST Files on a network share Mr. Tech, I've worked for companies with 3 employees to 130k employees. I've seen managers and CxO's focused different things at every level. I've seen small companies which were visionary in the tech spending and technology implementations and fortune 500 companies who had IT shops so bad I wouldn't piss on them when they burst into flames (and they will). There is no large company utopia of unlimited resources, one could rephrase your question and wonder where small companies come from in thinking that large organizations have unlimited resources to throw at problems and that their issues are unique to them because they are small fish. When I worked for $vbc I put in 4 requests for an enterprise AV solution ($65k) and had it turned down all four times. Only when they finally got hammered by a virus did they come to me and direct me to implement a solution to prevent it from happening again. Sure sometimes people are forced into suboptimal situations. I know of one large credit organization which allows PST files on network shares, but that doesn't make it a good idea. I for one and happy when someone warns me it will hurt to hit myself in the head with an axe before I try it. If you really want to get into an in depth discussion of budget, resource and user management I'll send you my consulting rate. But as I see it your arguments against improvements in IT process management are currently a bit weak. BTW, Exchange standard has a 16GB limit BTW, not an 18GB limit. -Original Message- From: tech [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: PST Files on a network share personalmail Are the disks on your file server cheaper than the disks in your Exchange server? It is cheaper to own standard edition of Exchange than Enterprise, standard has an 18gb limit. Some companies have a freeze on upgrading, so what do you suggest to administrators that do not work in the Utopia of a large corporation with resources. Most users claim not to have the time or feel their mail is too important to delete. Yes including the Amazon special offers. Most small companies do not care about working the right way in the long run, they want to know what is the cheapest way in the short term. They might not be around next year. My feelings are that with that attitude no wonder, but many of us work for those companies and have a boss that is only looking at today and keeping his job. When you guys reply to these messages I just wonder whether you know who the audience on this list are? From the dizzy heights of Compaq it may seem odd that admins keep making the same mistakes but many admins propose the correct solution only to actually do what is approved three of four declines later. Nathan _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe
RE: PST Files on a network share
Slow -Original Message- From: Mustafa Ibrahim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST Files on a network share Hi folks, I know Microsoft recommend that PST files be best kept on the local system as opposed to a shared network resource. What are your real-world views on this guys? Thanks in advance. Mustafa Ibrahim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST Files on a network share
It'd be a damn bad idea to store PST files on a network share here since our IT guy deletes them nightly... oh wait, maybe that makes it a good place to store them. -Original Message- From: Mustafa Ibrahim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST Files on a network share Hi folks, I know Microsoft recommend that PST files be best kept on the local system as opposed to a shared network resource. What are your real-world views on this guys? Thanks in advance. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST Files on a network share
Are the disks on your file server cheaper than the disks in your Exchange server? PSTs in general are unnecessary except when required, such as with the use of POP3, or as a location for archiving mail. Putting PSTs on file servers is just plain stupid. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mustafa Ibrahim Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST Files on a network share Hi folks, I know Microsoft recommend that PST files be best kept on the local system as opposed to a shared network resource. What are your real-world views on this guys? Thanks in advance. Mustafa Ibrahim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST Files on a network share
Sorry, I forgot my tag line: Any mail data worth saving belongs in the information store. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mustafa Ibrahim Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST Files on a network share Hi folks, I know Microsoft recommend that PST files be best kept on the local system as opposed to a shared network resource. What are your real-world views on this guys? Thanks in advance. Mustafa Ibrahim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST as an archive?
Ed's discussion in the FAQ is excellent. I would add one item to the two goods. If you are providing Exchange Server services to non-employees, they may be receiving some mail which is not the property of the enterprise. This could also be true for employees, but you need to clarify exactly who owns what and how the law of bailments applies. A good example of mail which you do not want to mix into your store is mail that is sent to an on-site customer or vendor representative that is proprietary and perhaps even limited to that customer or vendor. If you have a situation in which you are delivering mail and you are not charging for ISP storage services, then you do not want that mail to be stored on your servers after it is deemed to have been delivered. PST's are the logical solution in such situations. This fact does nothing to address the inherent weaknesses in PST's. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST as an archive?
But only to the extent that the company's document retention policy allows. -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Monday, July 01, 2002 2:11 PM Posted To: Microsoft Exchange Conversation: PST as an archive? Subject: RE: PST as an archive? PSTs are horrible as regular mailboxes, but as a filetype for archiving purposes it's really the only way to go. -Peter -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:27 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST as an archive? On another list I am on it is suggested that outlook mail be archived to .pst files and burned to cd's Is there any good reason to do this? My understanding is that this is not a wise idea and that there are better ways to archive mail stores. It seems that at least once a week someone on this list is trying to deal with a corrupt pst file. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This message is private or privileged. If you are not the person for whom this message is intended, please delete it and notify me immediately, and please do not copy or send this message to anyone else. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST as an archive?
James, Probably they suggested it as it is a cheap way to archive Email (other serious Archive Email solutions cost in the region of £10,000+). Cheers Paul Standards are like toothbrushes, everybody agrees you should have one, but no one wants to use yours -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Monday, July 01, 2002 12:27 PM Posted To: MS Exchange Forum Conversation: PST as an archive? Subject: PST as an archive? On another list I am on it is suggested that outlook mail be archived to .pst files and burned to cd's Is there any good reason to do this? My understanding is that this is not a wise idea and that there are better ways to archive mail stores. It seems that at least once a week someone on this list is trying to deal with a corrupt pst file. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The information contained in this message or any of its attachments may be confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). Any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited without the express permission of the sender. The views expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Sony or Sony affiliated companies. Sony email is for business use only. This email and any response may be monitored by Sony United Kingdom Limited. (05) ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST as an archive?
PSTs are horrible as regular mailboxes, but as a filetype for archiving purposes it's really the only way to go. -Peter -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:27 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST as an archive? On another list I am on it is suggested that outlook mail be archived to .pst files and burned to cd's Is there any good reason to do this? My understanding is that this is not a wise idea and that there are better ways to archive mail stores. It seems that at least once a week someone on this list is trying to deal with a corrupt pst file. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This message is private or privileged. If you are not the person for whom this message is intended, please delete it and notify me immediately, and please do not copy or send this message to anyone else. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST as an archive?
.pst's are not good as primary message storage, due to their many limitations. http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxf.htm But they are fine as a redundant archive. To be opened in Outlook, they can not be read only (Outlook needs write access) so, while stored on a CD, they will have to be copied to HD and have the appropriate attribute changed to allow access. .pst's are not bad archival storage. William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Liddil Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST as an archive? On another list I am on it is suggested that outlook mail be archived to .pst files and burned to cd's Is there any good reason to do this? My understanding is that this is not a wise idea and that there are better ways to archive mail stores. It seems that at least once a week someone on this list is trying to deal with a corrupt pst file. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PST as an archive?
Other list... Unsubscribe. PST=BAD Aaron -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 1:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: PST as an archive? On another list I am on it is suggested that outlook mail be archived to .pst files and burned to cd's Is there any good reason to do this? My understanding is that this is not a wise idea and that there are better ways to archive mail stores. It seems that at least once a week someone on this list is trying to deal with a corrupt pst file. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
