[FairfieldLife] Jesus' words: description or instruction?
The following phrase of Jesus' is used by many fundamentalist Christians as a justification for telling people that if they don't accept Jesus as their personal savior that they will burn in hell for all eternity: I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through me. If you had known me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him. But is this phrase an instruction of Jesus' to get to enlightenment -- as per the Fundamentalists I cite above -- or is it a description of the goal? That is, once you are having the experience of enlightenment within a Christian context that this quote of Jesus makes sense? If it is the latter -- which is a view I subscribe to -- I believe it relieves the Christians of the horrible burden -- and karma -- of being Talibanesque and condemning everyone who isn't a Christian to an eternity of hell. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus is coming, and man is he unstressing!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kansas Pastor... Pastor Hubbard seriously questions the group's claims, however. In April, he and other pastors sent a signed letter to the local newspaper stating that the TM group's members are welcome but must recognize that they and the church are at odds, competing for the eternal souls of people. This makes me wonder what souls are going for these days. Do they have a monetary value or does one collect them like green stamps, and get some kind of prize when you have a book full of them? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/22/06 3:43 PM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is interesting to watch. Whenever there is a postive note appearing regarding Maharishi or his teaching - the following posts here on FFL will be flooded with old posts and comments, copied at length. As if to put the positive post about Maharishi to the back as quickly as possible. So are you suggesting that the CIA has a room full of geeks posing as the people on this chat, whose job it is to bury good posts with negative ones? That reminds me...who's going to the CIA Team Picnic on Saturday? I know I'll be there... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishnamurti (w/ Chogyam Trungpa)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5871006181947402801q=chogyam He seems rather critical of TM. Actually, he's rather critical of his misconception of TM. Listen to 4:45 onward. But I'm sure you knew that, O Trollish One. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fever, transformation and the earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/22/06 8:06 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ((Hey, and if that retard who keeps pretending to post with my handle, but under a different yahoo account, does so again, ignore the sad non-entity. He has no life, no-one talks to him, he is old and limp of stature, so he posts BS under other's names to amuse his sad life.)) has that happened lately? It's an attachment thang. Haven't you noticed that those who feel there are people on FFL who threaten their sense of self also seem to have a rather inter- esting relationship with the past, one that often renders them incapable of telling the difference between something that happened yesterday and some- thing that happened years ago? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tressor@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: When Maharishi postulated his ideas about the CIA infiltrating the Movement in the '70s he commented that their agenda is; divide, divide, divide... He was just projecting... Actually, he was doing what spiritual teachers have done for eons when the predicted results of their teachings don't work out as quite promised. That is, he was trying to create a sense of 'group identity' based on paranoia -- us vs. them -- to replace the sense of group identity that would have developed naturally if people had been realizing enlightenment as predicted, or even having strong and consistent spiritual experiences. You see it in many spiritual trips, especially around the 'seven-year mark' of the tradition's popularity. It's that point at which people start to wonder whether it's all been worth it for them. If a lot of them are starting to realize that the 'payoff' isn't quite what was promised, one of the first tricks trotted out by the spiritual teachers is the 'us vs. them' thang. Works every time, too, because it appeals to the part of every seeker that wants to feel important, snd worthy of persecution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] -ru's , -roos or rouge?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is interesting to watch. Whenever there is a postive note appearing regarding Maharishi or his teaching - the following posts here on FFL will be flooded with old posts and comments, copied at length. As if to put the positive post about Maharishi to the back as quickly as possible. When Maharishi postulated his ideas about the CIA infiltrating the Movement in the '70s he commented that their agenda is; divide, divide, divide. in the '70's and '80s the idea was that CIA had infiltrated the movement at the highest level. The believe was that Jerry Jarvis and some early Maharishi secretaries were 'spies'. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/22/06 3:43 PM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is interesting to watch. Whenever there is a postive note appearing regarding Maharishi or his teaching - the following posts here on FFL will be flooded with old posts and comments, copied at length. As if to put the positive post about Maharishi to the back as quickly as possible. So are you suggesting that the CIA has a room full of geeks posing as the people on this chat, whose job it is to bury good posts with negative ones? This is a phenomenon seen in many places. Let's take for exmaple an unnamed Scandinavian country in the 1980s: The national TM-Movement is made up of the factions, MIK and WGAE (World GOvernment of the Age of Enlightenment). MIKI was not only infiltrated, by in fact led, by a person whose loyalty lay with the somewhat amoprhous congregation united by the common interest of keeping the status quo: the government/national security establishment (henceforth GNSE). Let's call this person H. When H resigned from his post in the mid-80s, his successor, let's call him R, was not elected from the cadre of active TM-teachers, but was handpicked by a secret inner circle. If H's resume was not a give away (official member of the Party with tie-ins to MI), certainly so was R's - a former employee his country's NSA. Whereas MIKI's activities was curtailed/made harmless to the country's political status quo by GNSE ensuring that the activities of this organization would never become more than each month teaching a handfull of people a deepm relaxation tehcnique - GNSE was still curios to see where this WGAE deal would go, perhaps the TMO was in fact really bad people with ulterior designs? After all, these people do claim to be some sort of World Government. So, what to do - given the ineptitude of the TMO? As it were, MIKI leadership presented WGAE with what was at the top of WGAE's agenda at the time - a centrally located place in the captial where to do communal Sidhi-programs. The location? The contract in the building offered up by MIKI had a long and covert history of tie-ins with the GNSE- all the way back to WWII and the systematic large-scale mail-snoopping and eavesdropping taking place then. As soon as this operation was up and running, MIKI leadership faded into the background and GNSE moved in to keep a tab in the WGAE - the place was bugged. There you are.. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus is coming, and man is he unstressing!
On Jun 23, 2006, at 2:36 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kansas Pastor... Pastor Hubbard seriously questions the group's claims, however. In April, he and other pastors sent a signed letter to the local newspaper stating that the TM group's members "are welcome" but must recognize that they and the church are at odds, "competing for the eternal souls of people." This makes me wonder what souls are going for these days. Do they have a monetary value or does one collect them like green stamps, and get some kind of prize when you have a book full of them? An SUV to accelerate the world towards armageddon? :-)Christian Fundamentalism used to be the fastest growing religious movement in the US, in other words, in terms of spiritual development, we were moving backwards. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krishnamurti (w/ Chogyam Trungpa)
On Jun 23, 2006, at 1:20 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw Krishnamurti in England not long before he died. He seemed to say a lot but offer nothing but empty philosophy. He was a product of Oxford ('nuf said). He was an existentialist, but never knew he was one. Maharishi, when asked, once said of Krishnamurti that he was like a man who woke up on the roof, but forgot how he got up there. OffWorldOn the "Maharishi talks about other systems" audio tape from Belgium in March '74, someone came up to the mike and said: Maharishi, Swami Prahbupada (of the Hari Krishnas) said that you were neither a Maharishi, a Mahesh or a Yogi. And Maharishi replied (giggling): Yeah, Krishnamurti said the same thing. Interesting, a lot of Indians saw right through the "Maharishi" and the "yogi" thing.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krishnamurti (w/ Chogyam Trungpa)
On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:58 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5871006181947402801q=chogyam He seems rather critical of TM. Gosh, Vaj, it's really amazing how many pieces critical of TM and MMY you seem to just stumble on, isn't it? Support of nature, I guess. I was looking for video of Chogyam Trungpa and this was the only one. Bizarre that it literally starts out blasting TM.That's not to say I'm a "fan" of Krishnamurti, I'm not.Actually I run into quite a lot, the vast majority I never post. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Movies to Watch this Summer
>From my list of Movies to Watch this Summer:Wheel of Time by Werner HerzogNY Time review:http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D02E2DD133EF936A25755C0A9639C8B63--Short Cut to Nirvanahttp://www.melafilms.com/---Travellers and Magicianshttp://www.travellersandmagicians.com/---Ram Das: Fierce Gracehttp://www.ramdasstapes.org/vrd-fg.htmThe Saltmen of Tibethttp://www.zeitgeistfilms.com/film.php?directoryname=saltmenoftibet __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishnamurti (w/ Chogyam Trungpa)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:58 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=5871006181947402801q=chogyam He seems rather critical of TM. Gosh, Vaj, it's really amazing how many pieces critical of TM and MMY you seem to just stumble on, isn't it? Support of nature, I guess. I was looking for video of Chogyam Trungpa and this was the only one. Bizarre that it literally starts out blasting TM. That's not to say I'm a fan of Krishnamurti, I'm not. Actually I run into quite a lot, the vast majority I never post. Really? Why are you depriving us of this important informatioin? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krishnamurti (w/ Chogyam Trungpa)
On Jun 23, 2006, at 7:47 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:58 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=5871006181947402801q=chogyam He seems rather critical of TM. Gosh, Vaj, it's really amazing how many pieces critical of TM and MMY you seem to just stumble on, isn't it? Support of nature, I guess. I was looking for video of Chogyam Trungpa and this was the only one. Bizarre that it literally starts out blasting TM. That's not to say I'm a "fan" of Krishnamurti, I'm not. Actually I run into quite a lot, the vast majority I never post. Really? Why are you depriving us of this important informatioin? That's just it, it's not very important! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Walker kids,
down in Tn. with Walker kids. Latest news (6.22.06 Thurs) is that the ambulating kids were going to leave Tn soon.and come home. Lizzy's prognosis is extremely complex. She should not be moved but the hospital is going through the moves to release her. It is looking like the rest of the Walker family (parents and ambulating kids) is going to drive home while Lizzy stays there for a while more and is she is transported separately. Will Ham and Jennifer are to stay with Lizzy to care for her. They got a reading of the MRI of Lizzy with the ortho surgeon on Weds. It is a very complicated deal. Pelvis definitely broke and is now in a 'good' alignment. Extremely delicate and difficult for her to move. Prognosis for recovery is very mixed. They still are looking at her organ function, bowel in particular now. That whole areas was wounded, operated on and things sewn closed. But the conclusion now with the hospital then was that she was to be discharged on Thursday. On Thursday morning they worked with Lizzy to show her how to move. One leg sort of bares weight. The other not at all. Within a few minutes of sitting in a wheelchair she gets sick. They want to discharge her regardless at this point. She is without health insurance so not really welcome beyond emergency need. Strategy on Llizzy's side is to keep her quiet and try to let the bones get going with spinning and knitting their breaks. It may or may not work. When Lizzy is released, Lizzy will be trasnported by ambulance to a local hotel room there for some while. Jennifer and Will Hamilton there are nurses for Lizzy now. Lizzy needs 24/7 care. -Doug Generally, 6.21.06 Weds. pm Not Easy Convalescing Thanks for pursuing this. Most of the kids are convalescing there in the area with their various wounds. Sedated, quiet recovering. It is not simple. One is still in the hospital and will be there in the area possibly for some while longer. The Walkers are hold up around there for a while near the hospitals. Some of the injuries are very complex. The hospitals are stablizing and moving the paitents out, as fast as they can. The kids are sedated and quiet mostly outside the hospitals. Most of the ones released are black and blue in various ways.. The son who broke his arm and shoulder ambulating but is down and out with a lot with pain and pain medication. His is a very complex break and surgery. They are not just 'fine' and coming home quite yet. The system is trying to get them out the door but the prognosis for several of them is very complicated with many different recovery possibilites. The system while patching them up is sending them out the door as fast as it can. The last child to leave hospital is very precarious and they are trying to discharge soon. Like tomorrow. That aspect of the care is extremely sketchy, as they say. Discharged, fragile to what? What is their thinking? Part of it is that she is uninsured, it is the system. She is an older child just out of school who is not on the family health policy. Uninsured. Hers is the most complex injury. These kind of uninsured kids are not an uncommon occurance in America now. They refer to it as the 'bubble' between family insurance and adult life. I would imagine that it is taking a lot of out-of-pocket money for them all to be there. Heidi works for MUM, which we know what that means as far as means. Sending some support to her by her address in Fairfield is one way of getting her some cash to go on. People here are tending her home matters. US postal mail to her house will get to her. Heidi Walker has gone back to her maiden name. Heidi Salmonson 207 E Broadway Fairfield, Ia. 52556 Thanks for the offers of your help, -Doug Hi, 6.18.06 Jennifer just arrived down there (Sunday). I spoke with her and Will Hamilton who is also down there in Tennessee. Timmy, the boy who was driving was out of surgery for puttting his arm and shoulder back together on the weekend. Multiple breaks put back together with pins and such. Rose with cracks in her pelvis and tailbone is released from hospital and walking painfully with a walker. Danny the boy with downs had a punctured lung originally and has now been released to the family. Elizabeth, Lizzy had multiple breaks in her pelvis, protruding bones, internal bleeding. That was worked on right away with a day of surgery. She is alert and awake now. Possibly/probably they will have to do more to piece her pelvis back together. They are waiting to see how the wounds seal over and also see her internal organ functions. The others in the car were bruised, banged and cut with flying glass etc. A lot of their cuts were stapled together in emergency room and they are since released. There was a girlfriend also in the car. She was banged up but released quickly. The Walker parents are both there on it and attending to the kids. They have some rooms in a nearby hotel. Their
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
Peter, you've got to laid, man. --- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/22/06 3:43 PM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is interesting to watch. Whenever there is a postive note appearing regarding Maharishi or his teaching - the following posts here on FFL will be flooded with old posts and comments, copied at length. As if to put the positive post about Maharishi to the back as quickly as possible. So are you suggesting that the CIA has a room full of geeks posing as the people on this chat, whose job it is to bury good posts with negative ones? This is a phenomenon seen in many places. Let's take for exmaple an unnamed Scandinavian country in the 1980s: The national TM-Movement is made up of the factions, MIK and WGAE (World GOvernment of the Age of Enlightenment). MIKI was not only infiltrated, by in fact led, by a person whose loyalty lay with the somewhat amoprhous congregation united by the common interest of keeping the status quo: the government/national security establishment (henceforth GNSE). Let's call this person H. When H resigned from his post in the mid-80s, his successor, let's call him R, was not elected from the cadre of active TM-teachers, but was handpicked by a secret inner circle. If H's resume was not a give away (official member of the Party with tie-ins to MI), certainly so was R's - a former employee his country's NSA. Whereas MIKI's activities was curtailed/made harmless to the country's political status quo by GNSE ensuring that the activities of this organization would never become more than each month teaching a handfull of people a deepm relaxation tehcnique - GNSE was still curios to see where this WGAE deal would go, perhaps the TMO was in fact really bad people with ulterior designs? After all, these people do claim to be some sort of World Government. So, what to do - given the ineptitude of the TMO? As it were, MIKI leadership presented WGAE with what was at the top of WGAE's agenda at the time - a centrally located place in the captial where to do communal Sidhi-programs. The location? The contract in the building offered up by MIKI had a long and covert history of tie-ins with the GNSE- all the way back to WWII and the systematic large-scale mail-snoopping and eavesdropping taking place then. As soon as this operation was up and running, MIKI leadership faded into the background and GNSE moved in to keep a tab in the WGAE - the place was bugged. There you are.. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishnamurti (w/ Chogyam Trungpa)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=5871006181947402801q=chogyam He seems rather critical of TM. Actually, he's rather critical of his misconception of TM. Listen to 4:45 onward. Pretty sad. He hasn't a clue what TM involves. Maybe they got into some substance in the rest of the tape, but there sure ain't much in this segment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tressor@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: When Maharishi postulated his ideas about the CIA infiltrating the Movement in the '70s he commented that their agenda is; divide, divide, divide... He was just projecting... Actually, he was doing what spiritual teachers have done for eons when the predicted results of their teachings don't work out as quite promised. That is, he was trying to create a sense of 'group identity' based on paranoia -- us vs. them -- to replace the sense of group identity that would have developed naturally if people had been realizing enlightenment as predicted, or even having strong and consistent spiritual experiences. So nobody in TM was having strong and consistent spiritual experiences back in the '70s? You see it in many spiritual trips, especially around the 'seven-year mark' of the tradition's popularity. It's that point at which people start to wonder whether it's all been worth it for them. If a lot of them are starting to realize that the 'payoff' isn't quite what was promised, one of the first tricks trotted out by the spiritual teachers is the 'us vs. them' thang. Works every time, too, because it appeals to the part of every seeker that wants to feel important, snd worthy of persecution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Hitler vs. Coulter Quiz
In a message dated 6/23/06 12:24:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did Hitler use the term "liberal"? I thought he called people communists. I know to many the terms would be interchangable.NaZi, of course, is short for National Socialist. His tiff with the communists was an in-the-family fight within the socialist family, the same way Trotsky fought with Stalin...they were off a little between their ideologies but, to them, they were worlds apart. So Hitler referred to the communists as Bolsheviks, I believe, rather than communists.Like the communists, Hitler and his socialists believed in central control of the economy and the means of production.Like Hitler, the father of Communism, Karl Marx, was a rabid anti-semite and hated Blacks.Many, many similarities Shemp I agree here whole heartedly. I was interested in the translation of the quotes. Were people termed liberal at the time Hitler rose to power? Is it a term he would have used? Yes I think you are right that he did use the word Bolshevik with disgust. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
Couldn't agree more.. :-) Unfortunately happy events like that do not change the nature of Kali Yuga, as implemented on Earth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, you've got to laid, man. --- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 6/22/06 3:43 PM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote: It is interesting to watch. Whenever there is a postive note appearing regarding Maharishi or his teaching - the following posts here on FFL will be flooded with old posts and comments, copied at length. As if to put the positive post about Maharishi to the back as quickly as possible. So are you suggesting that the CIA has a room full of geeks posing as the people on this chat, whose job it is to bury good posts with negative ones? This is a phenomenon seen in many places. Let's take for exmaple an unnamed Scandinavian country in the 1980s: The national TM-Movement is made up of the factions, MIK and WGAE (World GOvernment of the Age of Enlightenment). MIKI was not only infiltrated, by in fact led, by a person whose loyalty lay with the somewhat amoprhous congregation united by the common interest of keeping the status quo: the government/national security establishment (henceforth GNSE). Let's call this person H. When H resigned from his post in the mid-80s, his successor, let's call him R, was not elected from the cadre of active TM-teachers, but was handpicked by a secret inner circle. If H's resume was not a give away (official member of the Party with tie-ins to MI), certainly so was R's - a former employee his country's NSA. Whereas MIKI's activities was curtailed/made harmless to the country's political status quo by GNSE ensuring that the activities of this organization would never become more than each month teaching a handfull of people a deepm relaxation tehcnique - GNSE was still curios to see where this WGAE deal would go, perhaps the TMO was in fact really bad people with ulterior designs? After all, these people do claim to be some sort of World Government. So, what to do - given the ineptitude of the TMO? As it were, MIKI leadership presented WGAE with what was at the top of WGAE's agenda at the time - a centrally located place in the captial where to do communal Sidhi-programs. The location? The contract in the building offered up by MIKI had a long and covert history of tie-ins with the GNSE- all the way back to WWII and the systematic large-scale mail-snoopping and eavesdropping taking place then. As soon as this operation was up and running, MIKI leadership faded into the background and GNSE moved in to keep a tab in the WGAE - the place was bugged. There you are.. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movies to Watch this Summer
I've seen only Travelers and Magicians. Good film, but not of the same quality as his first film, The Cup. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my list of Movies to Watch this Summer: Wheel of Time by Werner Herzog NY Time review: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html? res=9D02E2DD133EF936A25755C0A9639C8B63 -- Short Cut to Nirvana http://www.melafilms.com/ --- Travellers and Magicians http://www.travellersandmagicians.com/ --- Ram Das: Fierce Grace http://www.ramdasstapes.org/vrd-fg.htm The Saltmen of Tibet http://www.zeitgeistfilms.com/film.php?directoryname=saltmenoftibet Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishnamurti (w/ Chogyam Trungpa)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 23, 2006, at 7:47 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:58 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=5871006181947402801q=chogyam He seems rather critical of TM. Gosh, Vaj, it's really amazing how many pieces critical of TM and MMY you seem to just stumble on, isn't it? Support of nature, I guess. I was looking for video of Chogyam Trungpa and this was the only one. Bizarre that it literally starts out blasting TM. That's not to say I'm a fan of Krishnamurti, I'm not. Actually I run into quite a lot, the vast majority I never post. Really? Why are you depriving us of this important informatioin? That's just it, it's not very important! One could say that the TMO itself, at this stage of the game, is not very important, and thus any information about it is at an even lower level of importance. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jesus' words: description or instruction?
In a message dated 6/23/06 1:03:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The following phrase of Jesus' is used by many fundamentalist Christians as a justification for telling people that if they don't accept Jesus as their personal savior that they will burn in hell for all eternity:"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through me. If you had known me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."But is this phrase an instruction of Jesus' to get to enlightenment -- as per the Fundamentalists I cite above -- or is it a description of the goal? That is, once you are having the experience of enlightenment within a Christian context that this quote of Jesus makes sense? There could be something said for both interpretations. One being an initiation or rebirthonto the spiritual path by accepting the bloodof Christ, as that which atones for all sin, the ultimate sacrifice, the perfect lamb, free of sin, one's intention binding him to the spiritual path. And then therecould be the deeper meaning of personal experience of complete enlightenment.Why not both? Christ didsay "unless your are reborn you can not enter the Kingdom of heaven". While I could never claim to be an authorityon Biblical scripture, I think Christians placean awful lot of emphasis on the numerousprophesies from the old testament that foretell His coming as a covenant with Godand by accepting the foretold sacrifice of the Lamb of God one is then covered in that Covenant. Just as oneexpresses an intention when performing a yagya that binds him to the action. Personally I have always had a problem with the shedding of blood to atone for sin concept but, the Old Testament says without the shedding of blood there can be no atonementand it wasfirst accepted as the method in the story of Cain and Able and has been used by both Jews and Muslims ever since, not to mention Hindus and their many sacrifices to deities which Buddhaalmost put a stop to. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Town mixed on plans for 'peace palaces'
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/living/14851593.htmPosted on Mon, Jun. 19, 2006Town mixed on plans for 'peace palaces'The Transcendental Meditation movement wants to build the World Capital of Peace in Smith Center.BY CARL MANNINGAssociated PressSMITH CENTER - Supporters of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi see his Transcendental Meditation movement as fostering world harmony. But in this farm town in the heart of the heartland, the movement's plans to build its World Capital of Peace here are creating more tension than tranquillity.Folks became alarmed when the outsiders bought up large tracts of land. Nine local pastors warned the movement that it is encroaching on their spiritual turf. And when a TM representative started throwing around terms at a meeting like "waves of coherence" and "silent zero point," the farmers just shook their heads."It hasn't split the community, but it has caused a lot of tension," Mayor Randy Archer said. "We're an older community, and new things that come to town are scary for some people."The TM movement -- whose founder, the Maharishi, was the Beatles' guru -- has announced plans to spend $15 million to build a dozen marble "peace palaces" facing east in Smith County. Because TM's practitioners want to disperse "waves of coherence" as widely as possible to influence others, they chose a spot just 10 miles west of the geographic center of the continental U.S.Eric Michener, who works as project coordinator out of a storefront office on Main Street, conceded that his group, the nonprofit Maharishi-affiliated Global Country of World Peace, probably could have made a better first impression.Altogether, the Maharishi wants to build 2,400 peace palaces in 250 U.S. cities and has opened ones in Houston, Bethesda, Md., Lexington, Ky., and Fairfield, Iowa, where his group also has operated Maharishi University of Management for three decades.In Smith County, initial plans call for about 300 people to live in the two-story palaces, but that could increase to 2,000 over the next three years, said Kent Boyum, the group's director of governmental affairs. He said the palaces also could be open to tourists. Work is expected to begin this summer and be completed by year's end.TM traces its roots to India. The movement began in the 1950s and is best known for its celebrity disciples, who have included Clint Eastwood and the comedian Andy Kaufman. Practitioners repeat a thought -- a mantra -- over and over to achieve relaxation, typically for 15 or 20 minutes every morning and evening.Supporters say that TM is a technique, not a religion -- that people can meditate and still be of any faith they want.But the Rev. Greg Hubbard of the Evangelical Free Church, countered, "They say they aren't a religion, and I say baloney." In April, he and other pastors signed a letter to the local newspaper saying: "They are welcome, but they must understand we are competing for the eternal souls of people."Hubbard said freedom of religion or the right to own property aren't issues here. "The thing that bothers us is what we perceive to be their blatant dishonesty about who they are. The bottom line is, dishonest neighbors aren't good neighbors," he said.Others in Smith Center -- a dwindling town of 1,800 with an aging population -- are withholding judgment."I'm not for them. I'm not against them. You've got to wait and see," the mayor said. "If it helps the community, that'll be great, and I hope it does help the community."Boyum held out the possibility of an economic boost for the town: "Our intention is to funnel as much finances and work through the local community as we can. We all are consumers and will bring resources into the county." __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Town mixed on plans for 'peace palaces'
In a message dated 6/23/06 9:46:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And when a TM representative started throwing around terms at a meeting like "waves of coherence" and "silent zero point," the farmers just shook their heads. This is almost always a turn off to people. I have to hold MMY a bit responsible though. I remember at my phase one TTC in AmherstMa. Mtold us a story how the Germans, in the early days,told him to use a complex vocabulary to impress the common folk and make one sound more intelligent. M laughed and smiled with raised eyebrowswhen he told the story as if it wasn't a bad idea.I fined it amusing to watch TMO repstalk like this and watch the people roll their eyes. LOL! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishnamurti (w/ Chogyam Trungpa)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 23, 2006, at 7:47 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:58 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=5871006181947402801q=chogyam He seems rather critical of TM. Gosh, Vaj, it's really amazing how many pieces critical of TM and MMY you seem to just stumble on, isn't it? Support of nature, I guess. I was looking for video of Chogyam Trungpa and this was the only one. Bizarre that it literally starts out blasting TM. That's not to say I'm a fan of Krishnamurti, I'm not. Actually I run into quite a lot, the vast majority I never post. Really? Why are you depriving us of this important informatioin? That's just it, it's not very important! One could say that the TMO itself, at this stage of the game, is not very important, and thus any information about it is at an even lower level of importance. :-) And still less important is *mis*information about the TMO, such as the uninformed rant of Krishnamurti to which Vaj posted the link. I suppose the actual *information* conveyed in that clip was that Krishnamurti didn't know what he was talking about. Perhaps *that* is important, eh? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Hitler vs. Coulter Quiz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 12:24:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did Hitler use the term liberal? I thought he called people communists. I know to many the terms would be interchangable. NaZi, of course, is short for National Socialist. His tiff with the communists was an in-the-family fight within the socialist family, the same way Trotsky fought with Stalin...they were off a little between their ideologies but, to them, they were worlds apart. So Hitler referred to the communists as Bolsheviks, I believe, rather than communists. Like the communists, Hitler and his socialists believed in central control of the economy and the means of production. Like Hitler, the father of Communism, Karl Marx, was a rabid anti- semite and hated Blacks. Many, many similarities Shemp I agree here whole heartedly. You agree with Shemp that there are people on this newsgroup who are rabid anti-Semites, hate blacks, and believe in central control of the economy and the means of production? I was interested in the translation of the quotes. Were people termed liberal at the time Hitler rose to power? Is it a term he would have used? Yes I think you are right that he did use the word Bolshevik with disgust. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, you've got to laid, man. Oooh. Somebody's feeling threatened. --- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 6/22/06 3:43 PM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote: It is interesting to watch. Whenever there is a postive note appearing regarding Maharishi or his teaching - the following posts here on FFL will be flooded with old posts and comments, copied at length. As if to put the positive post about Maharishi to the back as quickly as possible. So are you suggesting that the CIA has a room full of geeks posing as the people on this chat, whose job it is to bury good posts with negative ones? This is a phenomenon seen in many places. Let's take for exmaple an unnamed Scandinavian country in the 1980s: The national TM-Movement is made up of the factions, MIK and WGAE (World GOvernment of the Age of Enlightenment). MIKI was not only infiltrated, by in fact led, by a person whose loyalty lay with the somewhat amoprhous congregation united by the common interest of keeping the status quo: the government/national security establishment (henceforth GNSE). Let's call this person H. When H resigned from his post in the mid-80s, his successor, let's call him R, was not elected from the cadre of active TM-teachers, but was handpicked by a secret inner circle. If H's resume was not a give away (official member of the Party with tie-ins to MI), certainly so was R's - a former employee his country's NSA. Whereas MIKI's activities was curtailed/made harmless to the country's political status quo by GNSE ensuring that the activities of this organization would never become more than each month teaching a handfull of people a deepm relaxation tehcnique - GNSE was still curios to see where this WGAE deal would go, perhaps the TMO was in fact really bad people with ulterior designs? After all, these people do claim to be some sort of World Government. So, what to do - given the ineptitude of the TMO? As it were, MIKI leadership presented WGAE with what was at the top of WGAE's agenda at the time - a centrally located place in the captial where to do communal Sidhi-programs. The location? The contract in the building offered up by MIKI had a long and covert history of tie-ins with the GNSE- all the way back to WWII and the systematic large-scale mail-snoopping and eavesdropping taking place then. As soon as this operation was up and running, MIKI leadership faded into the background and GNSE moved in to keep a tab in the WGAE - the place was bugged. There you are.. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishnamurti (w/ Chogyam Trungpa)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 23, 2006, at 1:20 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
no_reply@ wrote:
I saw Krishnamurti in England not long before he died. He seemed
to
say a lot but offer nothing but empty philosophy. He was a product
of
Oxford ('nuf said). He was an existentialist, but never knew he
was
one.
Maharishi, when asked, once said of Krishnamurti that he was like
a
man who woke up on the roof, but forgot how he got up there.
OffWorld
On the Maharishi talks about other systems audio tape from Belgium
in March '74, someone came up to the mike and said: Maharishi, Swami
Prahbupada (of the Hari Krishnas) said that you were neither a
Maharishi, a Mahesh or a Yogi. And Maharishi replied (giggling):
Yeah, Krishnamurti said the same thing.
Interesting, a lot of Indians saw right through the Maharishi and
the yogi thing.
Yeah, like Tatwale Baba...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishnamurti (w/ Chogyam Trungpa)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 23, 2006, at 7:47 AM, authfriend wrote: snip Gosh, Vaj, it's really amazing how many pieces critical of TM and MMY you seem to just stumble on, isn't it? Support of nature, I guess. I was looking for video of Chogyam Trungpa and this was the only one. Bizarre that it literally starts out blasting TM. That's not to say I'm a fan of Krishnamurti, I'm not. Actually I run into quite a lot, the vast majority I never post. Really? Why are you depriving us of this important informatioin? That's just it, it's not very important! Your finding it is support of nature, but it's not very important? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishnamurti (w/ Chogyam Trungpa)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:58 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5871006181947402801q=chogyam He seems rather critical of TM. Gosh, Vaj, it's really amazing how many pieces critical of TM and MMY you seem to just stumble on, isn't it? Support of nature, I guess. I was looking for video of Chogyam Trungpa and this was the only one. Bizarre that it literally starts out blasting TM. That's not to say I'm a fan of Krishnamurti, I'm not. Actually I run into quite a lot, the vast majority I never post. People hate someone who proclaims that they have something special, especially when they do... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tressor@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: When Maharishi postulated his ideas about the CIA infiltrating the Movement in the '70s he commented that their agenda is; divide, divide, divide... He was just projecting... Actually, he was doing what spiritual teachers have done for eons when the predicted results of their teachings don't work out as quite promised. That is, he was trying to create a sense of 'group identity' based on paranoia -- us vs. them -- to replace the sense of group identity that would have developed naturally if people had been realizing enlightenment as predicted, or even having strong and consistent spiritual experiences. So nobody in TM was having strong and consistent spiritual experiences back in the '70s? Well, I was having CC experiences within a few months of learning TM, but the local teachers didn't recognize them, and being a naive 18-year-old with a dysfunctional family background, I made a LOT of stressful lifestyle choices that kinda pushed my nervous system out of allignment for a few decades. You see it in many spiritual trips, especially around the 'seven-year mark' of the tradition's popularity. It's that point at which people start to wonder whether it's all been worth it for them. If a lot of them are starting to realize that the 'payoff' isn't quite what was promised, one of the first tricks trotted out by the spiritual teachers is the 'us vs. them' thang. Works every time, too, because it appeals to the part of every seeker that wants to feel important, snd worthy of persecution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishnamurti (w/ Chogyam Trungpa)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:58 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5871006181947402801q=chogyam He seems rather critical of TM. Gosh, Vaj, it's really amazing how many pieces critical of TM and MMY you seem to just stumble on, isn't it? Support of nature, I guess. I was looking for video of Chogyam Trungpa and this was the only one. Bizarre that it literally starts out blasting TM. That's not to say I'm a fan of Krishnamurti, I'm not. Actually I run into quite a lot, the vast majority I never post. People hate someone who proclaims that they have something special, especially when they do... Seemingly not quite as much as people who paid a great deal of money for something, having been told how special it was, hate hearing how ordinary it really was. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Hitler vs. Coulter Quiz
In a message dated 6/23/06 10:42:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So Hitler referred to the communists as Bolsheviks, I believe, rather than communists. Like the communists, Hitler and his socialists believed in central control of the economy and the means of production. Like Hitler, the father of Communism, Karl Marx, was a rabid anti- semite and hated Blacks. Many, many similarities Shemp I agree here whole heartedly.You agree with Shemp that there are people on thisnewsgroup who are rabid anti-Semites, hate blacks,and believe in central control of the economy andthe means of production? I didn't exactly get that from Shemp's statement Judy, I think he attributed that rabid anti-semite, hate blacks and so on to Hitler and Karl Marx, not everybody that followed the Communist or Socialist ideology. I think from comments I have read in this forum before,there are a lot of people that want more government controls over the economy and means of production. Just how much control is a big question. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishnamurti (w/ Chogyam Trungpa)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:58 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=5871006181947402801q=chogyam He seems rather critical of TM. Gosh, Vaj, it's really amazing how many pieces critical of TM and MMY you seem to just stumble on, isn't it? Support of nature, I guess. I was looking for video of Chogyam Trungpa and this was the only one. Bizarre that it literally starts out blasting TM. That's not to say I'm a fan of Krishnamurti, I'm not. Actually I run into quite a lot, the vast majority I never post. People hate someone who proclaims that they have something special, especially when they do... Seemingly not quite as much as people who paid a great deal of money for something, having been told how special it was, hate hearing how ordinary it really was. :-) Or, perhaps some of us hate hearing the kind of wildly misinformed rant Krishnamurti delivered. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Hitler vs. Coulter Quiz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 10:42:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So Hitler referred to the communists as Bolsheviks, I believe, rather than communists. Like the communists, Hitler and his socialists believed in central control of the economy and the means of production. Like Hitler, the father of Communism, Karl Marx, was a rabid anti- semite and hated Blacks. Many, many similarities Shemp I agree here whole heartedly. You agree with Shemp that there are people on this newsgroup who are rabid anti-Semites, hate blacks, and believe in central control of the economy and the means of production? I didn't exactly get that from Shemp's statement Judy, I think he attributed that rabid anti-semite, hate blacks and so on to Hitler and Karl Marx, not everybody that followed the Communist or Socialist ideology. Well, that's a rather generous interpretation of his comment I was referring to (snipped by you): Of course, unlike Ann Coulter, Hitler was a socialist (like many on this forum). I think from comments I have read in this forum before, there are a lot of people that want more government controls over the economy and means of production. Just how much control is a big question. Yes, that's a big question, typically unexamined by those who like to label liberals socialists, as if the only two choices were unbridled capitalism and Marxian socialism. But it's a lot easier to decide which side you're on if you can make yourself believe there are only two with nothing in between. Otherwise you might actually have to *think* about what's involved. (General you, not you personally.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 6/22/06 3:43 PM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote: It is interesting to watch. Whenever there is a postive note appearing regarding Maharishi or his teaching - the following posts here on FFL will be flooded with old posts and comments, copied at length. As if to put the positive post about Maharishi to the back as quickly as possible. So are you suggesting that the CIA has a room full of geeks posing as the people on this chat, whose job it is to bury good posts with negative ones? Obviously Modern psychiatry must have a term reserved for people who think they are SO important and what they discuss is SO important that such a powerful and important organisation such as the CIA would be interested in what they do and say. Nablus, my dear boy, that term should be applied to you. Frankly, I only wish that what the TMO did WAS worthy of interest from the CIA. Sadly, the TMO is but a joke...and an old joke at that. But, on the bright side, there are still a precious few who are self- deluded enough that at the very least they will continue to provide us with gleeful entertainment on this forum. I'm thinking of the Kaplans who recently gave $16 million to Maharishi's nephews -- oops, I mean to the TMO for the pundits. It is this type of fodder that is grist for the FFL mill which is guaranteed to delight all who come here and read it...at least these little delicious gems will keep ME coming back. Oh, what an amusement to read that people will DO such things. It's better than when, at the turn of the century, the most popular entertainment (and quite socially acceptable to do, even for families) was to go to freak shows. I only hope that Arlene and Harris Kaplan have at least a few million still tucked away that they can enjoy when, in a few years, after MMY dies, and they're able to finally stick their heads out of the ether and Harris Kaplan will look into the eyes of his beloved Arlene and, like Col. Nicholson at the end of Bridge on the River Kwai will say: What have I done? Now, if the CIA could only convince Yahoo! to get us back the old format... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Town mixed on plans for 'peace palaces'
But they don't sound more intelligent; they sound almost senile, in fact, totally out of touch with any kind of reality. Sal On Jun 23, 2006, at 10:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 9:46:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: x-tad-smallerAnd when a TM representative started throwing around terms at a meeting like waves of coherence and silent zero point, the farmers just shook their heads./x-tad-smaller x-tad-biggerThis is almost always a turn off to people. I have to hold MMY a bit responsible though. I remember at my phase one TTC in Amherst Ma. M told us a story how the Germans, in the early days, told him to use a complex vocabulary to impress the common folk and make one sound more intelligent. M laughed and smiled with raised eyebrows when he told the story as if it wasn't a bad idea. I fined it amusing to watch TMO reps talk like this and watch the people roll their eyes. LOL!/x-tad-bigger
[FairfieldLife] Creative Intelligence?
On June 3rd 2006, MUM students show Creative Intelligence in action, one of the benefits of Unified Field based education: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4509342245519996558q=maharishi Creative? Intelligent? You decide. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Kokko!
Hmmm... agnim iile puro...er...pascaad-dhitam? http://www.kolumbus.fi/seurasaarisaatio/Suomi/lehdisto/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tressor@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: When Maharishi postulated his ideas about the CIA infiltrating the Movement in the '70s he commented that their agenda is; divide, divide, divide... He was just projecting... Actually, he was doing what spiritual teachers have done for eons when the predicted results of their teachings don't work out as quite promised. That is, he was trying to create a sense of 'group identity' based on paranoia -- us vs. them -- to replace the sense of group identity that would have developed naturally if people had been realizing enlightenment as predicted, or even having strong and consistent spiritual experiences. You see it in many spiritual trips, especially around the 'seven-year mark' of the tradition's popularity. It's that point at which people start to wonder whether it's all been worth it for them. If a lot of them are starting to realize that the 'payoff' isn't quite what was promised, one of the first tricks trotted out by the spiritual teachers is the 'us vs. them' thang. Works every time, too, because it appeals to the part of every seeker that wants to feel important, snd worthy of persecution. Given the lame-brain country that the US is post 9-11 with the Bushistas in power one wouldn't be surprised if the NSA, Homeland Security and CIA are interested in MMY's World Government. Given that a friend with OM painted on the tale of his plane got questioned by the FBI about the Arabic symbol and another friend got pulled out of line by the TSA at airport because he had an OM tattoo shows you how cultureless and ignorant these agents are. I noted that when I picked up my friend at the airport that sitting nearby were a cluster of TSA kids quizzing each other on procedures. If they hadn't been working there they would be serving you burgers at McDonalds. They want 'em dumb I think. A better educated government agency would see something like MMY's World Government a joke with little need for attention unless the World Government decides it need an army with weapons. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Town mixed on plans for 'peace palaces'
In a message dated 6/23/06 12:44:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But they don't sound more intelligent; they sound almost senile, in fact, totally out of touch with any kind of reality. Yesthat's why the eyes roll. It sounds like Science fiction from back in the fifties. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Movies to Watch this Summer
I own both the Short Cut to Nirvana and Fierce Grace DVDs. I need to find the place in Fierce Grace where Ram Dass talks about Americans buying into Eastern Philosophies without knowing what they're about. So true. With Short Cut in the extras watch the satsangs and ask yourself if you aren't capable of giving just as valid a satsang. I think most long term practitioners should be. BTW, I found this tantra site that has some good articles on it: www.livingtantra.net Vaj wrote: From my list of Movies to Watch this Summer: Wheel of Time by Werner Herzog NY Time review: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html? res=9D02E2DD133EF936A25755C0A9639C8B63 -- Short Cut to Nirvana http://www.melafilms.com/ --- Travellers and Magicians http://www.travellersandmagicians.com/ --- Ram Das: Fierce Grace http://www.ramdasstapes.org/vrd-fg.htm The Saltmen of Tibet http://www.zeitgeistfilms.com/film.php?directoryname=saltmenoftibet Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
In a message dated 6/23/06 2:05:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given the lame-brain country that the US is post 9-11 with the Bushistas in power one wouldn't be surprised if the NSA, Homeland Security and CIA are interested in MMY's "World Government." Given that a friend with OM painted on the tale of his plane got questioned by the FBI about "the Arabic symbol" and another friend got pulled out of line by the TSA at airport because he had an "OM" tattoo shows you how cultureless and ignorant these agents are. I noted that when I picked up my friend at the airport that sitting nearby were a cluster of TSA kids quizzing each other on procedures. If they hadn't been working there they would be serving you burgers at McDonalds. They want 'em dumb I think. A better educated government agency would see something like MMY's "World Government" a joke with little need for attention unless the "World Government" decides it need an army with weapons. The TSA is the federal screening agency that checks your bags at the airport. The Democrats demanded that it be a federal agency, unionizedand a part of the Department of Homeland Security after 911. Like just about any other federal job, it's very difficult to be fired from . In addition, the hiring involves a lot of affirmative action and avoiding any appearance of discrimination and required education level is minimal.So what you see, is what you get. I'm sure some do a fine job, the others __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 2:05:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given the lame-brain country that the US is post 9-11 with the Bushistas in power one wouldn't be surprised if the NSA, Homeland Security and CIA are interested in MMY's World Government. Given that a friend with OM painted on the tale of his plane got questioned by the FBI about the Arabic symbol and another friend got pulled out of line by the TSA at airport because he had an OM tattoo shows you how cultureless and ignorant these agents are. I noted that when I picked up my friend at the airport that sitting nearby were a cluster of TSA kids quizzing each other on procedures. If they hadn't been working there they would be serving you burgers at McDonalds. They want 'em dumb I think. A better educated government agency would see something like MMY's World Government a joke with little need for attention unless the World Government decides it need an army with weapons. The TSA is the federal screening agency that checks your bags at the airport. The Democrats demanded that it be a federal agency, unionized and a part of the Department of Homeland Security after 911. Like just about any other federal job, it's very difficult to be fired from . In addition, the hiring involves a lot of affirmative action and avoiding any appearance of discrimination and required education level is minimal. So what you see, is what you get. I'm sure some do a fine job, the others It would be worse if it were privatized. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 2:05:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given the lame-brain country that the US is post 9-11 with the Bushistas in power one wouldn't be surprised if the NSA, Homeland Security and CIA are interested in MMY's World Government. Given that a friend with OM painted on the tale of his plane got questioned by the FBI about the Arabic symbol and another friend got pulled out of line by the TSA at airport because he had an OM tattoo shows you how cultureless and ignorant these agents are. I noted that when I picked up my friend at the airport that sitting nearby were a cluster of TSA kids quizzing each other on procedures. If they hadn't been working there they would be serving you burgers at McDonalds. They want 'em dumb I think. A better educated government agency would see something like MMY's World Government a joke with little need for attention unless the World Government decides it need an army with weapons. The TSA is the federal screening agency that checks your bags at the airport. The Democrats demanded that it be a federal agency, unionized and a part of the Department of Homeland Security after 911. Like just about any other federal job, it's very difficult to be fired from . In addition, the hiring involves a lot of affirmative action and avoiding any appearance of discrimination and required education level is minimal. So what you see, is what you get. I'm sure some do a fine job, the others It would be worse if it were privatized. Yeah, like the former Soviet Union where the entire country was privatized. That worked real well, eh Bhairitu? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
In a message dated 6/23/06 3:33:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The TSA is the federal screening agency that checks your bags at the airport. The Democrats demanded that it be a federal agency, unionized and a part of the Department of Homeland Security after 911. Like just about any other federal job, it's very difficult to be fired from . In addition, the hiring involves a lot of affirmative action and avoiding any appearance of discrimination and required education level is minimal. So what you see, is what you get. I'm sure some do a fine job, the others It would be worse if it were privatized. But at least one could fire an incompetent dolt. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 2:05:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given the lame-brain country that the US is post 9-11 with the Bushistas in power one wouldn't be surprised if the NSA, Homeland Security and CIA are interested in MMY's World Government. Given that a friend with OM painted on the tale of his plane got questioned by the FBI about the Arabic symbol and another friend got pulled out of line by the TSA at airport because he had an OM tattoo shows you how cultureless and ignorant these agents are. I noted that when I picked up my friend at the airport that sitting nearby were a cluster of TSA kids quizzing each other on procedures. If they hadn't been working there they would be serving you burgers at McDonalds. They want 'em dumb I think. A better educated government agency would see something like MMY's World Government a joke with little need for attention unless the World Government decides it need an army with weapons. The TSA is the federal screening agency that checks your bags at the airport. The Democrats demanded that it be a federal agency, unionized and a part of the Department of Homeland Security after 911. Like just about any other federal job, it's very difficult to be fired from . In addition, the hiring involves a lot of affirmative action and avoiding any appearance of discrimination and required education level is minimal. So what you see, is what you get. I'm sure some do a fine job, the others It would be worse if it were privatized. Yeah, like the former Soviet Union where the entire country was privatized. That worked real well, eh Bhairitu? The Soviet Union was privatized??? I don't think so. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishnamurti (w/ Chogyam Trungpa)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:58 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5871006181947402801q=chogyam He seems rather critical of TM. Gosh, Vaj, it's really amazing how many pieces critical of TM and MMY you seem to just stumble on, isn't it? Support of nature, I guess. I was looking for video of Chogyam Trungpa and this was the only one. Bizarre that it literally starts out blasting TM. That's not to say I'm a fan of Krishnamurti, I'm not. Actually I run into quite a lot, the vast majority I never post. People hate someone who proclaims that they have something special, especially when they do... Seemingly not quite as much as people who paid a great deal of money for something, having been told how special it was, hate hearing how ordinary it really was. :-) Yep, that $35 I paid in 1973 is painful to contemplate, even now... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Hitler vs. Coulter Quiz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 10:42:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So Hitler referred to the communists as Bolsheviks, I believe, rather than communists. Like the communists, Hitler and his socialists believed in central control of the economy and the means of production. Like Hitler, the father of Communism, Karl Marx, was a rabid anti- semite and hated Blacks. Many, many similarities Shemp I agree here whole heartedly. You agree with Shemp that there are people on this newsgroup who are rabid anti-Semites, hate blacks, and believe in central control of the economy and the means of production? I didn't exactly get that from Shemp's statement Judy, I think he attributed that rabid anti-semite, hate blacks and so on to Hitler and Karl Marx, not everybody that followed the Communist or Socialist ideology. I think from comments I have read in this forum before, there are a lot of people that want more government controls over the economy and means of production. Just how much control is a big question. I've never met a person who didn't want SOME government control over the economy and means of production... ...just how much control is a big question. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Town mixed on plans for 'peace palaces'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But they don't sound more intelligent; they sound almost senile, in fact, totally out of touch with any kind of reality. Eh. Time will tell if the current strategy for the TMO is a bust or not. I mean, its only been around for 50+ years... Sal On Jun 23, 2006, at 10:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 9:46:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And when a TM representative started throwing around terms at a meeting like waves of coherence and silent zero point, the farmers just shook their heads. This is almost always a turn off to people. I have to hold MMY a bit responsible though. I remember at my phase one TTC in Amherst Ma. M told us a story how the Germans, in the early days, told him to use a complex vocabulary to impress the common folk and make one sound more intelligent. M laughed and smiled with raised eyebrows when he told the story as if it wasn't a bad idea. I fined it amusing to watch TMO reps talk like this and watch the people roll their eyes. LOL! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Creative Intelligence?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On June 3rd 2006, MUM students show Creative Intelligence in action, one of the benefits of Unified Field based education: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4509342245519996558q=maharishi Creative? Intelligent? You decide. You have something against a nicely choreographed dance done by some talented amateurs? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Town mixed on plans for 'peace palaces'
In a message dated 6/23/06 4:18:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: But they don't sound more intelligent; they sound almost senile, in fact, totally out of touch with any kind of reality. Eh. Time will tell if the current strategy for the TMO is a bust or not. I mean, its only been around for 50+ years... Yeah, it seemed to have peaked about 1973 or 4, something like that and interest has been sliding down hill since. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tressor@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: When Maharishi postulated his ideas about the CIA infiltrating the Movement in the '70s he commented that their agenda is; divide, divide, divide... He was just projecting... Actually, he was doing what spiritual teachers have done for eons when the predicted results of their teachings don't work out as quite promised. That is, he was trying to create a sense of 'group identity' based on paranoia -- us vs. them -- to replace the sense of group identity that would have developed naturally if people had been realizing enlightenment as predicted, or even having strong and consistent spiritual experiences. You see it in many spiritual trips, especially around the 'seven-year mark' of the tradition's popularity. It's that point at which people start to wonder whether it's all been worth it for them. If a lot of them are starting to realize that the 'payoff' isn't quite what was promised, one of the first tricks trotted out by the spiritual teachers is the 'us vs. them' thang. Works every time, too, because it appeals to the part of every seeker that wants to feel important, snd worthy of persecution. Given the lame-brain country that the US is post 9-11 with the Bushistas in power one wouldn't be surprised if the NSA, Homeland Security and CIA are interested in MMY's World Government. Given that a friend with OM painted on the tale of his plane got questioned by the FBI about the Arabic symbol and another friend got pulled out of line by the TSA at airport because he had an OM tattoo shows you how cultureless and ignorant these agents are. I noted that when I picked up my friend at the airport that sitting nearby were a cluster of TSA kids quizzing each other on procedures. If they hadn't been working there they would be serving you burgers at McDonalds. They want 'em dumb I think. A better educated government agency would see something like MMY's World Government a joke with little need for attention unless the World Government decides it need an army with weapons. A foreign friend claims he's been monnitored many times because he's a foreign national who follows a politically unpopular religion in his home country. The fact that its a radical Buddhist sect with a name sorta like the terrorist sect's is probably part of the problem. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 2:05:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given the lame-brain country that the US is post 9-11 with the Bushistas in power one wouldn't be surprised if the NSA, Homeland Security and CIA are interested in MMY's World Government. Given that a friend with OM painted on the tale of his plane got questioned by the FBI about the Arabic symbol and another friend got pulled out of line by the TSA at airport because he had an OM tattoo shows you how cultureless and ignorant these agents are. I noted that when I picked up my friend at the airport that sitting nearby were a cluster of TSA kids quizzing each other on procedures. If they hadn't been working there they would be serving you burgers at McDonalds. They want 'em dumb I think. A better educated government agency would see something like MMY's World Government a joke with little need for attention unless the World Government decides it need an army with weapons. The TSA is the federal screening agency that checks your bags at the airport. The Democrats demanded that it be a federal agency, unionized and a part of the Department of Homeland Security after 911. Like just about any other federal job, it's very difficult to be fired from . In addition, the hiring involves a lot of affirmative action and avoiding any appearance of discrimination and required education level is minimal. So what you see, is what you get. I'm sure some do a fine job, the others So you think that all government jobs require minimal education and smarts? You think that private security would automatically be better/cheaper? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 2:05:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given the lame-brain country that the US is post 9-11 with the Bushistas in power one wouldn't be surprised if the NSA, Homeland Security and CIA are interested in MMY's World Government. Given that a friend with OM painted on the tale of his plane got questioned by the FBI about the Arabic symbol and another friend got pulled out of line by the TSA at airport because he had an OM tattoo shows you how cultureless and ignorant these agents are. I noted that when I picked up my friend at the airport that sitting nearby were a cluster of TSA kids quizzing each other on procedures. If they hadn't been working there they would be serving you burgers at McDonalds. They want 'em dumb I think. A better educated government agency would see something like MMY's World Government a joke with little need for attention unless the World Government decides it need an army with weapons. The TSA is the federal screening agency that checks your bags at the airport. The Democrats demanded that it be a federal agency, unionized and a part of the Department of Homeland Security after 911. Like just about any other federal job, it's very difficult to be fired from . In addition, the hiring involves a lot of affirmative action and avoiding any appearance of discrimination and required education level is minimal. So what you see, is what you get. I'm sure some do a fine job, the others It would be worse if it were privatized. Oh nonsense. Look at the fine job Haliburton has done in Iraq. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 3:33:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The TSA is the federal screening agency that checks your bags at the airport. The Democrats demanded that it be a federal agency, unionized and a part of the Department of Homeland Security after 911. Like just about any other federal job, it's very difficult to be fired from . In addition, the hiring involves a lot of affirmative action and avoiding any appearance of discrimination and required education level is minimal. So what you see, is what you get. I'm sure some do a fine job, the others It would be worse if it were privatized. But at least one could fire an incompetent dolt. You mean like Cheney? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Town mixed on plans for 'peace palaces'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 4:18:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But they don't sound more intelligent; they sound almost senile, in fact, totally out of touch with any kind of reality. Eh. Time will tell if the current strategy for the TMO is a bust or not. I mean, its only been around for 50+ years... Yeah, it seemed to have peaked about 1973 or 4, something like that and interest has been sliding down hill since. Er., the height of initiations was in the mid-70's during Merv. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure some do a fine job, the others It would be worse if it were privatized. Not if Nordstroms did it. Or the Four Seasons. Apple would probably do a good job. We might give Trader Joe's a shot. Perhaps Amazon. Have you never recieved good service from a private company? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Town mixed on plans for 'peace palaces'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 4:18:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But they don't sound more intelligent; they sound almost senile, in fact, totally out of touch with any kind of reality. Eh. Time will tell if the current strategy for the TMO is a bust or not. I mean, its only been around for 50+ years... Yeah, it seemed to have peaked about 1973 or 4, something like that and interest has been sliding down hill since. The same year Spraig was initiated. Hm. And he was in the military. Hm. Do I smell CIA covert ops plant? H. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 2:05:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given the lame-brain country that the US is post 9-11 with the Bushistas in power one wouldn't be surprised if the NSA, Homeland Security and CIA are interested in MMY's World Government. Given that a friend with OM painted on the tale of his plane got questioned by the FBI about the Arabic symbol and another friend got pulled out of line by the TSA at airport because he had an OM tattoo shows you how cultureless and ignorant these agents are. I noted that when I picked up my friend at the airport that sitting nearby were a cluster of TSA kids quizzing each other on procedures. If they hadn't been working there they would be serving you burgers at McDonalds. They want 'em dumb I think. A better educated government agency would see something like MMY's World Government a joke with little need for attention unless the World Government decides it need an army with weapons. The TSA is the federal screening agency that checks your bags at the airport. The Democrats demanded that it be a federal agency, unionized and a part of the Department of Homeland Security after 911. Like just about any other federal job, it's very difficult to be fired from . In addition, the hiring involves a lot of affirmative action and avoiding any appearance of discrimination and required education level is minimal. So what you see, is what you get. I'm sure some do a fine job, the others It would be worse if it were privatized. Oh nonsense. Look at the fine job Haliburton has done in Iraq. Oops! You're so right! ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure some do a fine job, the others It would be worse if it were privatized. Not if Nordstroms did it. Or the Four Seasons. Apple would probably do a good job. We might give Trader Joe's a shot. Perhaps Amazon. Have you never recieved good service from a private company? Do you think any you've mentioned would be the low bidder? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
In a message dated 6/23/06 4:30:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The TSA is the federal screening agency that checks your bags at the airport. The Democrats demanded that it be a federal agency, unionized and a part of the Department of Homeland Security after 911. Like just about any other federal job, it's very difficult to be fired from . In addition, the hiring involves a lot of affirmative action and avoiding any appearance of discrimination and required education level is minimal. So what you see, is what you get. I'm sure some do a fine job, the othersSo you think that all government jobs require minimal education and smarts? You think that private security would automatically be better/cheaper? No, not all federal jobs require minimal educations or smarts. Did I imply that or did you assume I meant that? Not necessarily on the better and cheaper but it would be easier to do something about inefficiencies with a privately ownedcompany, like cancel the contract due to noncompliance or poor training and hire another. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
In a message dated 6/23/06 4:30:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It would be worse if it were privatized.Oh nonsense. Look at the fine job Haliburton has done in Iraq. Exactly! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Town mixed on plans for 'peace palaces'
In a message dated 6/23/06 4:31:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah, it seemed to have peaked about 1973 or 4, something like that and interest has been sliding down hill since.Er., the height of initiations was in the mid-70's during Merv. Oh, Ok spair, I'll give you another year or so. Wasn't Merv in 75? Well that was the peak. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I'm sure some do a fine job, the others It would be worse if it were privatized. Not if Nordstroms did it. Or the Four Seasons. Apple would probably do a good job. We might give Trader Joe's a shot. Perhaps Amazon. Have you never recieved good service from a private company? Have you ever received good service from a private company under contract to the US government? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Town mixed on plans for 'peace palaces'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 4:18:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But they don't sound more intelligent; they sound almost senile, in fact, totally out of touch with any kind of reality. Eh. Time will tell if the current strategy for the TMO is a bust or not. I mean, its only been around for 50+ years... Yeah, it seemed to have peaked about 1973 or 4, something like that and interest has been sliding down hill since. The same year Spraig was initiated. Hm. And he was in the military. Hm. Do I smell CIA covert ops plant? H. :) MMY's Merv appearances were about 2 years after I was initiated--75-76 timeframe, IIRC . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 4:30:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The TSA is the federal screening agency that checks your bags at the airport. The Democrats demanded that it be a federal agency, unionized and a part of the Department of Homeland Security after 911. Like just about any other federal job, it's very difficult to be fired from . In addition, the hiring involves a lot of affirmative action and avoiding any appearance of discrimination and required education level is minimal. So what you see, is what you get. I'm sure some do a fine job, the others So you think that all government jobs require minimal education and smarts? You think that private security would automatically be better/cheaper? No, not all federal jobs require minimal educations or smarts. Did I imply that or did you assume I meant that? Not necessarily on the better and cheaper but it would be easier to do something about inefficiencies with a privately owned company, like cancel the contract due to noncompliance or poor training and hire another. Contracts with the government are easy to cancel on the government's side? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 4:30:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It would be worse if it were privatized. Oh nonsense. Look at the fine job Haliburton has done in Iraq. Exactly! Can't make these things up, folks... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
In a message dated 6/23/06 4:33:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote: I'm sure some do a fine job, the others It would be worse if it were privatized.Not if Nordstroms did it. Or the Four Seasons. Apple would probably doa good job. We might give Trader Joe's a shot. Perhaps Amazon. Have you never recieved good service from a private company? For crying out loud! LOL. When I first read this I thought I read"Not if Nostradamus did it! There are lots of good private security companies that take great pride in their companies reputation. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
In a message dated 6/23/06 4:50:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Contracts with the government are easy to cancel on the government's side? All they would have to do is prove they aren't doing the job they were hired to do and they have been given ample warning to clean it up. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Lonely Americans
Lonely Americans: People Have Fewer Close Friends /Internet, Long Work Hours Cited/ *RALEIGH, N.C. -- *Nearly one in every four Americans has no close confidant, according to a study that found that the average person's circle of close friends has shrunk considerably in the last two decades. * Read more here:** http://forums.ibsys.com/viewmessages.cfm?sitekey=steuForum=79Topic=14065* http://www.wtov9.com/family/9419110/detail.html Of course this doesn't apply to anyone here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Creative Intelligence?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On June 3rd 2006, MUM students show Creative Intelligence in action, one of the benefits of Unified Field based education: http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=4509342245519996558q=maharishi Creative? Intelligent? You decide. You have something against a nicely choreographed dance done by some talented amateurs? Vaj reminds me of Rick Santorum. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishnamurti (w/ Chogyam Trungpa)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:58 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=5871006181947402801q=chogyam He seems rather critical of TM. Gosh, Vaj, it's really amazing how many pieces critical of TM and MMY you seem to just stumble on, isn't it? Support of nature, I guess. I was looking for video of Chogyam Trungpa and this was the only one. Bizarre that it literally starts out blasting TM. That's not to say I'm a fan of Krishnamurti, I'm not. Actually I run into quite a lot, the vast majority I never post. People hate someone who proclaims that they have something special, especially when they do... Seemingly not quite as much as people who paid a great deal of money for something, having been told how special it was, hate hearing how ordinary it really was. :-) Yep, that $35 I paid in 1973 is painful to contemplate, even now... LOL!! Yeah, it was $125 when I learned in 1976. Man, what I could have done with all that money... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Creative Intelligence?
On Jun 23, 2006, at 6:28 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On June 3rd 2006, MUM students show Creative Intelligence in action, one of the benefits of Unified Field based education: http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=4509342245519996558q=maharishi Creative? Intelligent? You decide. You have something against a nicely choreographed dance done by some talented amateurs? Vaj reminds me of Rick Santorum. OK Ms. Paglia! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I'm sure some do a fine job, the others It would be worse if it were privatized. Not if Nordstroms did it. Or the Four Seasons. Apple would probably do a good job. We might give Trader Joe's a shot. Perhaps Amazon. Have you never recieved good service from a private company? Do you think any you've mentioned would be the low bidder? Yes. I think that they are nimble enough to bid to any given standard and payment structure. But your question clarifies your original concern. Its not about privatization at all. Its about cost. I agree with that -- that cost is an issue -- to a degree. Better service generally costs more than poor service (exceptions always.) But perpaps the larger problem is not privatization (clearly its not), and not so much cost -- the US is spending tons on airport security. Perhaps more the problem is inept and corrupt system of government contracting. Made worse by a corrupt and inept congress that writes poor, special-interest, pork laiden legislation. And a poor executive branch that favors politics and favoriitism in its administraton of governement programs. If (the above is) so, then governement programs appear exactly the worst thing to favor. However, privatization in such a corrupt and inept political structure would be far from perfect -- though in many cases better than government programs. Whats needed is strong structural political and voting reform: 1) IRV -- Instant run-off voting -- allowing for the fluorishing of multiple parties -- without making voters throw away their vote for voting (first rounds) for a REAL candidate that reflects their views. 2) Full publically funded presidental, congressional and governor campaigns. (Which is MUCH cheaper than the current systems' corruption and waste of focus on fundraising) 3) No jerrymandering of house districts. (It can be done.) 4) 4-6 year terms for the House 5) stronger constraints on revolving door lobbying by former govt executives and congress persons 6) Recountable, tracable, verifiable modern polling techniques (e.g., paper ballot, optical scan). 7) National standards for all congressional elections. Including multi-partisian election management -- not political hacks (al la K. Harris) 8) AND --- perhaps, the same standards for voting as for citizenship. Like getting a drivers licence -- one needs to show some degree of competence before getting behind the wheel of a voting booth. With strong montioring to prevent discrimination against various sectors and classes. 9) And linked to #8, a $50-100 tax credit when you vote. (Instead of making it mandatory, like most modern countries do.) 10) Mandatory and fully disclosed comparable IQ and pyschological tests for all congressional and presidential candidates. Nothing more than what we expect of fighter pilots. (If you are going to imitate on, at least have the Right Stuff.) 11) Real debates. Like West Wing election debates. Other possibilities -- Fred travis type eeg tests on all candidates. Debates where all candidates must take a truth serum prior to the debate. Second debate, give them all acid. Third debate, ecstacy. See the inner candidate. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Tabla
Rick, what type of Indian rhythm system are you learning, north or south? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Hitler vs. Coulter Quiz
In a message dated 6/23/06 11:35:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think from comments I have read in this forum before, there are a lot of people that want more government controls over the economy and means of production. Just how much control is a big question.Yes, that's a big question, typically unexamined bythose who like to label liberals "socialists," as ifthe only two choices were unbridled capitalism andMarxian socialism.But it's a lot easier to decide which side you're onif you can make yourself believe there are only twowith nothing in between. Otherwise you might actuallyhave to *think* about what's involved.(General "you," not you personally.) Yes I think the question is where do you draw the line from referring to a country as being capitalistic and being socialistic. There is a point where it tilts from one side to the other. The more one pushes that balance beam towards more social programs paid for by the wealthy, the closer it is to tipping to being called a socialist country. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Hitler vs. Coulter Quiz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 11:35:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think from comments I have read in this forum before, there are a lot of people that want more government controls over the economy and means of production. Just how much control is a big question. Yes, that's a big question, typically unexamined by those who like to label liberals socialists,those the only two choices were unbridled capitalism and Marxian socialism. But it's a lot easier to decide which side you're on if you can make yourself believe there are only two with nothing in between. Otherwise you might actually have to *think* about what's involved. (General you, not you personally.) Yes I think the question is where do you draw the line from referring to a country as being capitalistic and being socialistic. There is a point where it tilts from one side to the other. The more one pushes that balance beam towards more social programs paid for by the wealthy, the closer it is to tipping to being called a socialist country. Right, and you end up with a lot of wealthy socialists. ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tabla
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Tabla on 6/23/06 5:48 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, what type of Indian rhythm system are you learning, north or south? North, I presume. My teachers teacher lives in New Delhi. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tabla
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/23/06 5:48 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, what type of Indian rhythm system are you learning, north or south? North, I presume. My teacher¹s teacher lives in New Delhi. Have you memorized all the cycles...ta ta ti ta dun dun etc.? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Ever heard of a guy called Peter Kelder..?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Hitler vs. Coulter Quiz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 11:35:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: I think from comments I have read in this forum before, there are a lot of people that want more government controls over the economy and means of production. Just how much control is a big question. Yes, that's a big question, typically unexamined by those who like to label liberals socialists,those the only two choices were unbridled capitalism and Marxian socialism. But it's a lot easier to decide which side you're on if you can make yourself believe there are only two with nothing in between. Otherwise you might actually have to *think* about what's involved. (General you, not you personally.) Yes I think the question is where do you draw the line from referring to a country as being capitalistic and being socialistic. There is a point where it tilts from one side to the other. The more one pushes that balance beam towards more social programs paid for by the wealthy, the closer it is to tipping to being called a socialist country. Right, and you end up with a lot of wealthy socialists. ;-) Yes, like Ted Turner and George Soros. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Hitler vs. Coulter Quiz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 11:35:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think from comments I have read in this forum before, there are a lot of people that want more government controls over the economy and means of production. Just how much control is a big question. Yes, that's a big question, typically unexamined by those who like to label liberals socialists,those the only two choices were unbridled capitalism and Marxian socialism. But it's a lot easier to decide which side you're on if you can make yourself believe there are only two with nothing in between. Otherwise you might actually have to *think* about what's involved. (General you, not you personally.) Yes I think the question is where do you draw the line from referring to a country as being capitalistic and being socialistic. There is a point where it tilts from one side to the other. The more one pushes that balance beam towards more social programs paid for by the wealthy, the closer it is to tipping to being called a socialist country. The U.S. is a mixture of both, with a very large leaning towards capitalism. But there is an incredibly large segment of the economy that is fed and controlled by the government...to the tune of $2.8 trillion a year (that's the federal government budget): Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, Education agriculture subsidies, etc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What do you all think of these Democrat war-mongers?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Hitler vs. Coulter Quiz
In a message dated 6/23/06 6:38:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 11:35:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think from comments I have read in this forum before, there are a lot of people that want more government controls over the economy and means of production. Just how much control is a big question. Yes, that's a big question, typically unexamined by those who like to label liberals "socialists,those the only two choices were unbridled capitalism and Marxian socialism. But it's a lot easier to decide which side you're on if you can make yourself believe there are only two with nothing in between. Otherwise you might actually have to *think* about what's involved. (General "you," not you personally.) Yes I think the question is where do you draw the line from referring to a country as being capitalistic and being socialistic. There is a point where it tilts from one side to the other. The more one pushes that balance beam towards more social programs paid for by the wealthy, the closer it is to tipping to being called a socialist country.Right, and you end up with a lot of wealthy socialists. ;-) That can definitely happen! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever heard of a guy called Peter Kelder..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://geocities.com/peterklutz/ +++ Yes- heard of the rites some years back (7-8) At first, that many turns will get to you but after some time, you can do 20-30 of them and walk in a straight line still. Overall, it seems to be a good program. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 4:50:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Contracts with the government are easy to cancel on the government's side? All they would have to do is prove they aren't doing the job they were hired to do and they have been given ample warning to clean it up. Tht's worked really well in Iraq. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
In a message dated 6/23/06 8:28:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All they would have to do is prove they aren't doing the job they were hired to do and they have been given ample warning to clean it up.Tht's worked really well in Iraq. Halliburton? They are under constant scrutiny and being watched by plenty of politicians that hate themand hate Bush. They know they aren't going to get away with a penny they didn't earn and will be challenged on every bill they submit. And you can't find anybody that can do a better job. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 8:28:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All they would have to do is prove they aren't doing the job they were hired to do and they have been given ample warning to clean it up. Tht's worked really well in Iraq. Halliburton? They are under constant scrutiny and being watched by plenty of politicians that hate them and hate Bush. They know they aren't going to get away with a penny they didn't earn and will be challenged on every bill they submit. And you can't find anybody that can do a better job. And that claim is based on what? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fever, transformation and the earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/22/06 8:06 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ((Hey, and if that retard who keeps pretending to post with my handle, but under a different yahoo account, does so again, ignore the sad non- entity. He has no life, no-one talks to him, he is old and limp of stature, so he posts BS under other's names to amuse his sad life.)) has that happened lately? Not since the last time about 2 months ago. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus' words: description or instruction?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following phrase of Jesus' is used by many fundamentalist Christians as a justification for telling people that if they don't accept Jesus as their personal savior that they will burn in hell for all eternity: I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through me. If you had known me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him. But is this phrase an instruction of Jesus' to get to enlightenment -- as per the Fundamentalists I cite above -- or is it a description of the goal? That is, once you are having the experience of enlightenment within a Christian context that this quote of Jesus makes sense? If it is the latter -- which is a view I subscribe to -- I believe it relieves the Christians of the horrible burden -- and karma -- of being Talibanesque and condemning everyone who isn't a Christian to an eternity of hell. Jesus also, said..I am in the Father, and ye in me, and I in you. He also said, Before Abraham was, I AM Take these phrases together and you are talking about a fundamental transcendental entity that embodies Truth, and is within everyone, and is eternal. Hmmm...sounds familiar. (but don't bother trying to explain that to a fundie christian.) OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tressor@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: When Maharishi postulated his ideas about the CIA infiltrating the Movement in the '70s he commented that their agenda is; divide, divide, divide... He was just projecting... Actually, he was doing what spiritual teachers have done for eons when the predicted results of their teachings don't work out as quite promised. That is, he was trying to create a sense of 'group identity' based on paranoia -- us vs. them -- to replace the sense of group identity that would have developed naturally if people had been realizing enlightenment as predicted, or even having strong and consistent spiritual experiences. You see it in many spiritual trips, especially around the 'seven-year mark' of the tradition's popularity. It's that point at which people start to wonder whether it's all been worth it for them. If a lot of them are starting to realize that the 'payoff' isn't quite what was promised, one of the first tricks trotted out by the spiritual teachers is the 'us vs. them' thang. Works every time, too, because it appeals to the part of every seeker that wants to feel important, snd worthy of persecution. Yup, I was rifting on the 'divide, divide, divide' comment when I signed as His Excellency, JohnY (but it just flew by...) And I actually thought that a joke was being made when someone called the TSA folks cultureless for pulling his friend out of line 'with an OM tatoo' but that was just momentary smile too... JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus is coming, and man is he unstressing!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Kansas Pastor... Pastor Hubbard seriously questions the group's claims, however. In April, he and other pastors sent a signed letter to the local newspaper stating that the TM group's members are welcome but must recognize that they and the church are at odds, competing for the eternal souls of people. This makes me wonder what souls are going for these days. Do they have a monetary value or does one collect them like green stamps, and get some kind of prize when you have a book full of them? I think they only want the souls that listen to country music and watch NASCAR racing. And definately no French allowed. Only Freedom Fries and 'W' Ketchup sauce in Heaven. Sorry Pal. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fever, transformation and the earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 6/22/06 8:06 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ((Hey, and if that retard who keeps pretending to post with my handle, but under a different yahoo account, does so again, ignore the sad non-entity. He has no life, no-one talks to him, he is old and limp of stature, so he posts BS under other's names to amuse his sad life.)) has that happened lately? It's an attachment thang. Haven't you noticed that those who feel there are people on FFL who threaten their sense of self also seem to have a rather inter- esting relationship with the past, one that often renders them incapable of telling the difference between something that happened yesterday and some- thing that happened years ago? :-) I think you have missed the point entirely. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishnamurti (w/ Chogyam Trungpa)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 23, 2006, at 7:47 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:58 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=5871006181947402801q=chogyam He seems rather critical of TM. Gosh, Vaj, it's really amazing how many pieces critical of TM and MMY you seem to just stumble on, isn't it? Support of nature, I guess. I was looking for video of Chogyam Trungpa and this was the only one. Bizarre that it literally starts out blasting TM. That's not to say I'm a fan of Krishnamurti, I'm not. Actually I run into quite a lot, the vast majority I never post. Really? Why are you depriving us of this important informatioin? That's just it, it's not very important! One could say that the TMO itself, at this stage of the game, is not very important, and thus any information about it is at an even lower level of importance. :-) I know, imagine the only meditation technique in the world that has hundreds of studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals, ( another one published just recently in June 12 issue of Archives of Internal Medicine), is being practiced in US public schools, has received over 20 million dollars in research grants, and has 500 students set to learn it as part of a study at American University in DC. I mean, no other meditation even comes remotely close so TM must be so unimportant. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sweet, sweet words from a European CEO
Just when you think the world has gone totally mad, along comes someone who brightens up the skies with good old common sense. From the April 24, 2006 edition of the New Yorker in a piece called High and Low about low-cost airfares in Europe, Michael O'Leary, the CEO of the Irish airline Ryanair: Air travel was one of the few restricted markets back in the mid- eighties. The only reason it was restricted was because it had been fucked up by government and civil servants since about 1945. Travel agents should be taken out and shot. On environmentalists: Their solution is, stop ordinary people or poor people from flying. Let's have flying back with just the rich people, and then all will be well again. Yeh know, bollocks. And the best one: There's really very little prejudice that can't be overcome by an eighteen-pound tickert. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:the Teacher recertification course
Hey Gina, what else are you researching about FF? I get a steady flow of academics, authors, researchers and journalists who contact me off of FFL. What else are you thinking about FF? Some of the writers on this list could be quite helpful if they were turned loose. We don't pay much attention but the archive here is full of some great primary material on the TMO. People find these real interesting to work off of: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/83702?l=1 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/83701?l=1 Best Regards from FF, -Doug --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Doug! I had a recent visit w/ to my loved ones in FF. Was interesting to see how community evolved since the recertification drive, then quiet about that. IMHO, looks like the push backfired. I'd heard about the recertification when came out, and more or less ignored it. (I never attended TTC) Tks for the links regarding the initial push. Hi to all my old buds in FF! Gina (California) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Gina, it kind of blurs together. 100 millionaires courses. Rajas for a million, rajas for 500k. Re-certification, de- certification course. Re-cert started with having people pay and come in residence and then loosened up to just sending money in and only a phone call and signing papers to recert. It is something else now. The announcement on the re-cert course came out in the spring of '05. Often the movmement announcements are copied to FFL as part of the discussion. Look on the homepage at the monthly chart for the archive. The FFL archive is rich with all kinds of original material. Try the March 2005 posts. 'simplify' them and you can scroll through the subject headings to get to the re-cert area and find what you are after. I found this one in the early April posts... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/47012?l=1 Try March 2005, or April 2005 and back up in to the area of the re- cert course. Best Regards, -Doug Hamilton FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: Hi all! Does anyone have the written info about the teacher- recertification course? I know about it, just am curious to read the TMO's official invitation to recertification. tks! Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: On the TM side, Maharishi announced a new breakthrough course and as a result all of the recertified teachers are now fully enlightened, and all displaying every one of Pantanjali's siddhis, often in public. Hey Gina, I searched a little bit. Once you get the hang of it there are gems to find. There is a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with FF or FFL. But in between there is some interesting stuff too. Some people have thrilled with filling things up here otherwise to obviscate the subject. So it is. Here are some things that might interest your research: 'Buy a Raja'. For a million or so. 50% down will do. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/45050?l=1 The re-cert and de-certification of the TMO. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/45444? threaded=1 De-certification of the TMO, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/46041?l=1 Epilogue Re-cert, A lot of people off the hook with de- certification: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/47012?l=1 These posts scratch the surface. Reading the posts around these is useful perspective. It is easiest to start in the 'messages' and then to plug the numbers of the posts into the msg.# search. That will give the post and then the area of the archive with the post. Then you can scroll back and forth through the subject headings to get the context. Basically the prime effort for both the re-certs and the rajas was to bring real estate to the TMO. Teaching TM was incidental to the real estate. You can read that and it is pretty obvious. No money of conseqence was forthcoming to the people who went along with it, as it turned out. Another side effect was that it depopulated the domes of true- believers and has diluted the group-effect that has always been the reason for Fairfield. It evidently is now about monument building and real estate building on good people's goodwill. And then, we all now know what the TMO (MMY) does with real estate. There is an old pattern. It generally gets sold and the money goes AWOL in form. If MMY and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesus' words: description or instruction?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The following phrase of Jesus' is used by many fundamentalist Christians as a justification for telling people that if they don't accept Jesus as their personal savior that they will burn in hell for all eternity: I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through me. If you had known me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him. But is this phrase an instruction of Jesus' to get to enlightenment -- as per the Fundamentalists I cite above -- or is it a description of the goal? That is, once you are having the experience of enlightenment within a Christian context that this quote of Jesus makes sense? If it is the latter -- which is a view I subscribe to -- I believe it relieves the Christians of the horrible burden -- and karma -- of being Talibanesque and condemning everyone who isn't a Christian to an eternity of hell. Jesus also, said..I am in the Father, and ye in me, and I in you. He also said, Before Abraham was, I AM Take these phrases together and you are talking about a fundamental transcendental entity that embodies Truth, and is within everyone, and is eternal. Hmmm...sounds familiar. (but don't bother trying to explain that to a fundie christian.) OffWorld Thanks for those additional quotes, they're great. And, of course, they fit in perfectly with the kingdom of heaven is within you quote, too Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
