[FairfieldLife] Another Mel Gibson view

[shempmcgurk]

I found this view of the Gibson affair -- quite different from the 
Hitchens one -- that also makes a very good point.


This is an excerpt of the full piece found at birdofparadise.blog

Don't Forget that Mel Gibson Was Drunk 
Mel Gibson was arrested for drunk driving the other day. The police 
who arrested him described his uncooperative behavior, his repeated 
use of the "f**k" word and his making several clearly anti-Semitic 
statements.

Apparently, this somehow "proves" that Mel Gibson is an anti-Semite.

No it doesn't. All it proves is that Mel Gibson was drunk.

If (let's imagine) that Mel Gibson's outburst is proof of his anti-
semitism then the circumstances of his arrest would also prove 
that . . .

--Mel Gibson is an advocate of expressing anger in public places; 
that
--Mel Gibson believes that it is good and right to resist arrest; 
that
--Mel Gibson feels that it is OK to drive while intoxicated; that
--Mel Gibson, deep, deep down, approves of resisting police officer.

No one in their right mind would draw these conclusions about Mel 
Gibson from his behavior and actions the night of his arrest.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[steven klayman]

on 7/31/06 10:13 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

> If I was doing group program someplace and some dude
> next to me was doing some other program, I'd say two
> things to him; 1)Why are you here doing a different
> program, and 2) Get the f*ck out of here, you
retard.
> -Pter (I come in peace) S.

Peter- Please tell me this was just tongue in cheek
type humor. Please. 
You know in emails one cant see the body language or
hear the tone in the voice to know when someone is
being sarcastic.
BTW-Deeksha has no relation to religion. It is given
and received by people of all faiths, even TM
fundamentalists. Many of them are sitting in the
domes, doing their TM, just like Bousfield was doing.
The guy spent 18 years on Purusha. Like
helloo
I spoke to him on the 21 day course in India. I asked
him,"Can you believe what is going on here ?" I was
astounded at the beauty of the process that this
mind/body organism was undergoing. It was fantastic.
Easier than any rounding course and more blissful and
more insightful (for me) than anything I had ever
done. He mumbled on about how he thought MMY had such
a high teaching and how great TM was. As the 21 day
course progressed (we did not talk much as we were
mostly in silence) his/my experiences deepened. He
just wanted to share this with anyone who wanted a
taste of it. It reminded me of the old days of the TM
movement when all we wanted to do was initiate.
So he gets tossed from the dome. i bet he was doing
his TM and TM siddhis program like everyone else.

I love God.Its his followers that scare the sh*t out
of me.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Obsession: What The War on Terror Is Really About ( must see )

[Robert Gimbel]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Jul 31, 2006, at 10:38 AM, larry.potter wrote:
> > 
> > >> As the film says right in the beginning, "It's
> > >> important to remember, most Muslims are peaceful
> > >> and do not support terror."
> > >>
> > >
> > > right, i stated that here myself several times and it is true.
> > > what is deafening is the non violent Muslim silence about 
radical
> > > Islam and it's terrorism. Why are they letting them hijack Islam
> > > from them...
> > 
> > 
> > Still, when a quarter of the adherents in a non-Muslim country  
> > support something like the bombings in London, there's reason 
for  
> > concern (it would be interesting the see the comparison to  
> > fundamentalist extremists is *this* country*--how many 
Christians  
> > support Timothy McVeigh or abortion clinic bombings):
> > 
> > One in four Muslims sympathises with motives of terrorists
> > 
> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/23/ 
> > npoll23.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/07/23/ixnewstop.html
> > 
> > But also:
> > 
> > Islamic Extremism: Common Concern for Muslim and Western Publics
> > Support for Terror Wanes Among Muslim Publics
> > 
> > http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=248
> > 
> > Interesting to see how many think democracy could work.
> 
> How many muslims show outrage, when one of their suicidal bombers 
> blows himself/herself up, and kills men, women and children;
> How come they can kill each other in Iraq, with no outrage;
> But let the Israelis kill someone by accident, it's different.
> So, by their logic:
> Killing and suicide is ok, as long as your own people are doing the 
> killing and not those Jews...or those Americans...just like the 
> Nazis...It was perfectly ok for them to kill whoever they wished to 
> kill or 'wipe-out'; because they were 'inferior' races, etc.-
> Exactly like the muslim mind-set is:
> We are inferiors; and not worthy of life;
> So, all means of rationalization is used;
> In the name of God;
> To promote death...

Also, I guess it's ok for them to blow themselves up, and be hero's 
and to kill each other, if they happen to be in a different sect...
Like for the Black people, to call each other: Nigger, "Like, hey, 
nigger, what's up?"
But for a white guy to call a black guy a nigger, big trouble!!
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome! (Who's responsible?)

[Robert Gimbel]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > wrote:
> > **SNIP**
> > > > 
> > > > The campus is private property and campus officials can 
> request a
> > > > person to leave their property whenever they deem that 
someone 
> is
> > > > trespassing.  No shoes, no shirt, no service.  They can 
> withdraw 
> > > their
> > > > invitation at any time.  Not a civil rights violation; just a
> > > > trespassing issue.
> > > > 
> > > > If the person had paid money for certain privileges or 
> services and
> > > > then they were denied those privileges or services without 
> credit
> > > > (either in whole or prorated) then the person might sue for 
> breach 
> > > of
> > > > contract, but it seems that the course was free.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > What about the fact that the university receives federal 
> funding? 
> > > Does that not put them within the scope of federal laws?
> > > 
> > **END**
> > 
> > No, it's still a contract issue.  An agreement between the 
> university
> > (or some other TMO entity) and the course participant; a contract 
> of
> > some sort.  And maybe a provisional one that spells out that 
course
> > acceptance or participation is contingent upon some TMO
> > security/purity/worthiness clearance and that the TMO can call it 
> off
> > whenever they feel like it.  Can't imagine that the TMO doesn't 
> have
> > competent legal counsel for things like emergency spiritual crisis
> > course contracts.  I'd imagine it's pretty much boilerplate stuff 
> that
> > absolves and holds blameless the university for anything.
> > 
> > Enforceability is another matter, but based on the pure fuzziness 
> of
> > what is promised and/or anticipated in the whole premise of these
> > courses I believe that most courts would be very reluctant to get
> > involved.  Plus the money involved really isn't that great of an
> > amount so what lawyer is going to litigate it if there's no 
payoff.
> > 
> > The federal funding matter brings the university within the scope 
> of
> > federal law as it relates to certain federal educational 
> requirements.
> >  But I can't see how a course like this would relate to federal
> > funding.  Plus, what would be the "protected group" that these 
> people
> > belong to that makes it a civil rights violation?  (Like race or
> > religion or gender status.)  These people get to practice 
whatever 
> it
> > is that they do (whether religion or sadhana or however they
> > characterize it) but the university (or the TMO) is just telling 
> them
> > that they can't do it whatever it is, there, on that course. 
> 
> 
> 
> First of all, thanks for the great insights.
> 
> On the above point, I don't think it's a matter of the TMO telling 
> them that they can't do the non-TM activities on the course but, 
> rather, because of a religious activity performed by this 
individual 
> during NON-Dome practise he is being told he can't attend the Dome.
> 
> It was this discrimination based solely upon this individual's 
> personal religious practises that I earlier suggested was a 
> violation of federal equality laws (this individual adheres to, 
> practises and is regular in both TM and TM Sidhis and only does 
> those practises as per the instructions while in the Dome).
> 
> 
> 
> > Catholics don't let Muslims lead prayer services during their 
mass.
> > 
> > As Peter said before, it's the TMO's bat and ball.

Whatever the county laws are regarding trespassing; will be in favor 
of the land-holder of course...
But the bigger picture is:
Why would an organization, which is trying to create unity, and 
harmony,
Take an action like this, that creates seperateness, and disharmony;
And who is making the decisions to create something different,
Than is the goal of this course?
Who is in charge, that makes such decisions, and who are they 
responsible to?

> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Christopher Hitchens on Mel Gibson -- you must read this

[shempmcgurk]

Mel Gibson's Meltdown
He is sick to his empty core with Jew-hatred.
By Christopher Hitchens

Posted Monday, July 31, 2006, at 2:09 PM ET 
Mel GibsonI was just in the middle of writing a long and tedious 
essay, about how to tell a real anti-Semite from a person who too-
loudly rejects the charge of anti-Semitism, when a near-perfect real-
life example came to hand. That bad actor and worse director Mel 
Gibson, pulled over for the alleged offense of speeding and the 
further alleged offense of speeding under the influence, decided 
that he needed to demand of the arresting officer whether he was or 
was not Jewish and that he furthermore needed to impart the 
information that all the world's wars are begun by those of Semitic 
extraction. 

Call me thin-skinned if you must, but I think that this qualifies. I 
also think that the difference between the blood-alcohol levels—and 
indeed the speed limits—that occasioned the booking are insufficient 
to explain the expletives (as Gibson has since claimed in a 
typically self-pitying and verbose statement put out by his 
publicist). One does not abruptly decide, between the first and 
second vodka, or the ticks of the indicator of velocity, that the 
Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion are valid after all.

There's a lot to dislike about Gibson. He is given to furious 
tirades against homosexuals of the sort that make one wonder if he 
has some kind of subliminal or "unaddressed" problem. His vulgar and 
nasty movies, which also feature this prejudice, are additionally 
replete with the cheapest caricatures of the English. Braveheart and 
The Patriot are two of the most laughable historical films ever 
made. (Englishmen don't form picket lines outside movie theaters 
when "stereotyped," but still.) He has told interviewers that his 
wife, the mother of his children, is going to hell because she 
subscribes to the wrong Christian sect (a view that he justifies 
as "a pronouncement from the chair"). And it has been obvious for 
some time to the most meager intelligence that he is sick to his 
empty core with Jew-hatred. 


-
---


-
---

This is not just proved by his twistedly homoerotic spank-movie The 
Passion of the Christ, even though that ghastly production did focus 
obsessively on the one passage in the one of the four Gospels that 
tries to convict the Jewish people en masse of the hysterical charge 
of Christ-killing or "deicide." It is validated by his fealty to his 
earthly father, a crackpot who belongs to a Catholic splinter group 
of which our Mel is a member. This group more or less lives off the 
stench of medieval anti-Semitism. Allow me (as one who has Mel's 
father's books to hand) to give you an example. In an attempt a few 
years ago to heal the breach between the Vatican and the Jews, then-
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger did his best to make nice. Jews did not 
accept Jesus as savior and redeemer, said the man who is now the 
pope, but they did originate monotheism. Therefore, Judaism could 
perhaps be regarded in some ways as an "elder brother" of 
Christianity. The response of Gibson senior was to say that Abel 
also had an elder brother. … You know what? I think that this 
qualifies as anti-Semitism, too.

I do not believe for an instant that the sins of the fathers should 
descend to later generations. But when asked about his old man's 
many effusions on this subject, from the cheery view that the Jewish 
population of Europe actually increased in Hitler's day to the no 
less upbeat opinion that persons unknown brought down the World 
Trade Center, the younger Gibson stonewalled consistently by saying 
that "my father has never told me a lie." At the time he said this, 
I was impressed despite myself. He was being invited to disown a 
raging Jew-baiter at the same time that he was trying to cash in 
with a Hollywood epic. And he wouldn't do it! All credit for true 
and staunch conviction. (But don't run away with the sentimental 
idea that he had to stick by his father. Scott McClellan had been on 
White House spokesman detail for only a few days when his male 
parent produced a book arguing that LBJ had murdered JFK. Even in 
this tussle over two dead Democrats, McClellan had enough dignity to 
say that he loved his father, even though the old boy had some wacky 
ideas. Try and get Gibson to say that.)

At the time when The Passion of the Christ was being released, many 
nervous evangelical Christians tried to get the more horrifying bits 
of anti-Semitic incitement toned down. (The crazy scene where the 
rabbis demand the blood of Jesus on their own heads was taken out of 
subtitles, for example, but left as it was in Aramaic.) Many 
conservative Jews, from David Horowitz to Rabbi Daniel Lapin, stuck 
up for Gibson as a man who defended family values against secular 
nihilism. And the M

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obsession: What The War on Terror Is Really About ( must see )

[Robert Gimbel]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 31, 2006, at 10:38 AM, larry.potter wrote:
> 
> >> As the film says right in the beginning, "It's
> >> important to remember, most Muslims are peaceful
> >> and do not support terror."
> >>
> >
> > right, i stated that here myself several times and it is true.
> > what is deafening is the non violent Muslim silence about radical
> > Islam and it's terrorism. Why are they letting them hijack Islam
> > from them...
> 
> 
> Still, when a quarter of the adherents in a non-Muslim country  
> support something like the bombings in London, there's reason for  
> concern (it would be interesting the see the comparison to  
> fundamentalist extremists is *this* country*--how many Christians  
> support Timothy McVeigh or abortion clinic bombings):
> 
> One in four Muslims sympathises with motives of terrorists
> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/23/ 
> npoll23.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/07/23/ixnewstop.html
> 
> But also:
> 
> Islamic Extremism: Common Concern for Muslim and Western Publics
> Support for Terror Wanes Among Muslim Publics
> 
> http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=248
> 
> Interesting to see how many think democracy could work.

How many muslims show outrage, when one of their suicidal bombers 
blows himself/herself up, and kills men, women and children;
How come they can kill each other in Iraq, with no outrage;
But let the Israelis kill someone by accident, it's different.
So, by their logic:
Killing and suicide is ok, as long as your own people are doing the 
killing and not those Jews...or those Americans...just like the 
Nazis...It was perfectly ok for them to kill whoever they wished to 
kill or 'wipe-out'; because they were 'inferior' races, etc.-
Exactly like the muslim mind-set is:
We are inferiors; and not worthy of life;
So, all means of rationalization is used;
In the name of God;
To promote death...
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
> > > getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
> > > thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
> > > program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
> > > Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
> > > something?
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I think Rick is saying that the diksha thing does not apply 
during 
> > meditation time, but is a laying on of hands thing that is used 
> post-
> > meditation, so it would be funny for National to justify banning 
> > somebody from the dome because they would not be doing TM during 
> their 
> > dome time. 
> > 
> > It's a bogus issue to me either way, because if TMers are 
supposed 
> to 
> > be producing such a powerful influence of coherence, then a few 
> people 
> > not on the same wavelength would be insignificant, just the like 
> the 
> > many sleepers or drowsy people in the dome are not an important 
> > influence one way or the other.
> > 
> > I remember when I used to do group meditation at the TM center 
on 
> > campus, many of the Chinese and Indian students who did not 
> practice 
> > TM were nevertheless required to attend the twice daily 
sessions, 
> and 
> > some of them would listen to radios, most would sleep. Didn't 
make 
> any 
> > difference to me, although I thought it was stupid to require 
> people 
> > to show up for something they had no interest in.
> >
> 


> How and why would students be at MIU and NOT be meditators?  I'm 
> confused...



MIU used to give students from poor countries free-ride 
scholarships, and many students who had zero chance of getting a 
college education otherwise, took MIU up on their free ride offer. 
Many of those foreign students displayed no interest in TM, but 
there were also a few American students whose parents had sent them 
to MIU because the parents were strong meditators and/or the kid had 
a drug/behavior problem and they were hoping to sort him out, but 
the kid had no interest in TM.

MUM no longer hands out free-ride scholarships, as they discovered 
that foreign computer science students who come here to get a 
master's degree could work at full pay in the US for a couple years 
without a big visa hassle for them or employers, giving them the 
money to pay MUM's full tuition ($25K -- 
http://www.mum.edu/compro/fafaqs.html ), which has put MUM on a very 
good financial footing, since it only pays low volunteer-wage rates, 
even to faculty. In order to cut down on the number of computer 
science students who have zero interest in TM, students from Nepal 
and Ethiopia are required to practice TM for six months before being 
accepted into the master's program:

http://www.mum.edu/compro/steps.html

Whether this cuts down on the percentage of students who are only 
playing along with MUM, pretending to do TM, I'm not sure. Probably 
not, as there a lot of students in these poor countries who will do 
or say anything to get into the US and work at our pay scales, while 
taking a master's degree and current work experience at US 
corporations back to their home countries.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> **SNIP**
> > > 
> > > The campus is private property and campus officials can 
request a
> > > person to leave their property whenever they deem that someone 
is
> > > trespassing.  No shoes, no shirt, no service.  They can 
withdraw 
> > their
> > > invitation at any time.  Not a civil rights violation; just a
> > > trespassing issue.
> > > 
> > > If the person had paid money for certain privileges or 
services and
> > > then they were denied those privileges or services without 
credit
> > > (either in whole or prorated) then the person might sue for 
breach 
> > of
> > > contract, but it seems that the course was free.
> > 
> > 
> > What about the fact that the university receives federal 
funding? 
> > Does that not put them within the scope of federal laws?
> > 
> **END**
> 
> No, it's still a contract issue.  An agreement between the 
university
> (or some other TMO entity) and the course participant; a contract 
of
> some sort.  And maybe a provisional one that spells out that course
> acceptance or participation is contingent upon some TMO
> security/purity/worthiness clearance and that the TMO can call it 
off
> whenever they feel like it.  Can't imagine that the TMO doesn't 
have
> competent legal counsel for things like emergency spiritual crisis
> course contracts.  I'd imagine it's pretty much boilerplate stuff 
that
> absolves and holds blameless the university for anything.
> 
> Enforceability is another matter, but based on the pure fuzziness 
of
> what is promised and/or anticipated in the whole premise of these
> courses I believe that most courts would be very reluctant to get
> involved.  Plus the money involved really isn't that great of an
> amount so what lawyer is going to litigate it if there's no payoff.
> 
> The federal funding matter brings the university within the scope 
of
> federal law as it relates to certain federal educational 
requirements.
>  But I can't see how a course like this would relate to federal
> funding.  Plus, what would be the "protected group" that these 
people
> belong to that makes it a civil rights violation?  (Like race or
> religion or gender status.)  These people get to practice whatever 
it
> is that they do (whether religion or sadhana or however they
> characterize it) but the university (or the TMO) is just telling 
them
> that they can't do it whatever it is, there, on that course. 



First of all, thanks for the great insights.

On the above point, I don't think it's a matter of the TMO telling 
them that they can't do the non-TM activities on the course but, 
rather, because of a religious activity performed by this individual 
during NON-Dome practise he is being told he can't attend the Dome.

It was this discrimination based solely upon this individual's 
personal religious practises that I earlier suggested was a 
violation of federal equality laws (this individual adheres to, 
practises and is regular in both TM and TM Sidhis and only does 
those practises as per the instructions while in the Dome).



> Catholics don't let Muslims lead prayer services during their mass.
> 
> As Peter said before, it's the TMO's bat and ball.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> What poppycock
> He doesnt practice deeksha. No one does. People are so
> entrenched in doing, as if it will get you somewhere. 
> It is the laying on of hands. period. The TMO would
> toss Jesus out if he came by because he did the same
> thing. 



Jesus is attending the Invincible America course?

Is he hovering yet?



> Its like throwing a dentist out because he fills
> teeth.
> The rationalizations of the TMO are as bizarre as
> actions of the TMO.
> 
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[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
wrote:
> >
> > I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
> > getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
> > thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
> > program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
> > Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
> > something?
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> I think Rick is saying that the diksha thing does not apply during 
> meditation time, but is a laying on of hands thing that is used 
post-
> meditation, so it would be funny for National to justify banning 
> somebody from the dome because they would not be doing TM during 
their 
> dome time. 
> 
> It's a bogus issue to me either way, because if TMers are supposed 
to 
> be producing such a powerful influence of coherence, then a few 
people 
> not on the same wavelength would be insignificant, just the like 
the 
> many sleepers or drowsy people in the dome are not an important 
> influence one way or the other.
> 
> I remember when I used to do group meditation at the TM center on 
> campus, many of the Chinese and Indian students who did not 
practice 
> TM were nevertheless required to attend the twice daily sessions, 
and 
> some of them would listen to radios, most would sleep. Didn't make 
any 
> difference to me, although I thought it was stupid to require 
people 
> to show up for something they had no interest in.
>

How and why would students be at MIU and NOT be meditators?  I'm 
confused...







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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
> wrote:
> >
> > I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
> > getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
> > thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
> > program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
> > Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
> > something?
> 
> Some feel the TMO has no right to think he isn't
> doing the official TM program, it seems.
> 
> Others feel the TMO has no right to throw him out
> even if it was sure he wasn't doing the official TM
> program.
> 
> Still others are upset because he was accepted for
> the course initially and assume he got screwed out
> of travel money and course fees when he was
> subsequently ejected, except that it appears he lives
> in town and the course is free.
> 
> Others think it's a case of religious discrimination
> because he practices deeksha, and because MUM receives
> federal funds, it isn't allowed to discriminate.
> 
> I believe one person suggested he could take the TMO
> to court for humiliating him.
>


Thanks to FFL's Town Cryer for summarizing the news.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> If I was doing group program someplace and some dude
> next to me was doing some other program, I'd say two
> things to him; 1)Why are you here doing a different
> program, and 2) Get the f*ck out of here, you retard.
> -Pter (I come in peace) S.



So would I.

But that's not the case here.



> 
> --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > on 7/31/06 2:06 PM, shempmcgurk at
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > > I suggest that he inform the powers-that-be that
> > he will continue to
> > > go to the Dome and if they stop him he will employ
> > some of that non-
> > > violent resistance that some on this forum think
> > so highly of.
> > > 
> > He could go to the dome but he would be physically
> > barred from entering the
> > doors. Security is pretty tight.
> > > 
> > > He should also inform them that he will go to the
> > press.  He should
> > > do this quietly so that he can let them save
> > face...but he should do
> > > it forcefully and in no uncertain terms.
> > > 
> > He probably won¹t do this. He¹ll kiss the Movement
> > goodbye, like most do. Or
> > maybe he¹ll start a chat forum, like I did ;-)
> > 
> 
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
> getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
> thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
> program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
> Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
> something?


You're missing something.

This particular individual practises TM and the TM-Sidhi program 
regularly and would be doing said program in the Domes if he were 
allowed in.

It was an outside personally-chosen "religious" activity that he was 
engaged in that caused him to be ejected.


> 
> --- inthislifetime300 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Sorry Judy,
> > 
> > David signature was not on the previous post.  It
> > was at the bottom 
> > of his website.
> > 
> > \--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> >  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "inthislifetime300" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well if anyone wants to contact David about a
> > lawsuit, here is 
> > his 
> > > > contact info from his diksha website:
> > > > 
> > > > David Bousfield  attended the 21 day Process at
> > Oneness 
> > University 
> > > in 
> > > > October, 2005. He is now giving Deeksha in
> > Fairfield with Nathan 
> > > and 
> > > > Marie. In addition, David gives phone deeksha
> > and private deeksha 
> > > > sessions in the privacy of your own home. Call
> > David at
> > > > 641-209-5793, or email him at bousfield@
> > > > 
> > > > David
> > > 
> > > David, do you consider deeksha to be an activity
> > > of your religion?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > For deeksha events around the world, see
> > www.onenessmovement.org
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "shempmcgurk" 
> >  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Salvatore Sunshine brought up a good point:
> > > > > 
> > > > > MUM's exclusion of that Diksha fellow may in
> > fact be a 
> > violation 
> > > of 
> > > > > federal law: you cannot exclude someone from
> > an activity based 
> > > upon 
> > > > > their religion..and since MUM is federally
> > funded, this law 
> > > applies 
> > > > to 
> > > > > them.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This is assuming, of course, that the Diksha
> > fellow does his 
> > > program 
> > > > > regularly and that he does the Diksha OUTSIDE
> > his program time.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
> getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
> thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
> program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
> Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
> something?

Just shows a need to knock the TMO. Bush haters do it with Bush. Clinton haters 
with Clinton, 
etc.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OK, what about the hustling out with no provocation?  Civil 
> > rights 
> > > > violation?  Any lawyers here?
> > > > 
> > > > Sal
> > > > 
> > > **
> > > 
> > > The campus is private property and campus officials can 
request a
> > > person to leave their property whenever they deem that someone 
is
> > > trespassing.  No shoes, no shirt, no service.  They can 
withdraw 
> > their
> > > invitation at any time.  Not a civil rights violation; just a
> > > trespassing issue.
> > > 
> > > If the person had paid money for certain privileges or services
> > > and then they were denied those privileges or services without 
> > > credit (either in whole or prorated) then the person might sue 
> > > for breach of contract, but it seems that the course was free.
> > 
> > What about the fact that the university receives federal 
funding? 
> > Does that not put them within the scope of federal laws?
> 
> What federal law did they break?
>

Assuming that they did (Marek has subsequently set me straight on 
this) it would have been the one that says you can't discriminate 
against someone based upon one's religion.







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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "inthislifetime300" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Sorry Judy,
> > 
> > David signature was not on the previous post.  It was at the bottom 
> > of his website.
> 
> OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
> of a specific religion?
> 
> 

It's a practice of the followers of a specific guru:


Deeksha is an energy transfer that facilitates awakening to one's personal 
indwelling 
Divine Presence.

This is an actual Neuro-biological change. The parietal lobes, located in the 
brain near the 
top of the skull, are responsible for our orientation in space. Without them we 
could not 
get a spoon to our mouth or find our way through a doorway. Since Hans Selye's 
work in 
the 30's, however, scientists agree that the parietal lobes are overactive in 
most human 
beings. The overactive nature of the parietal lobes causes us to feel 
existentially separate 
and even opposed to our environment - not supported, not safe. The diksha 
energy calms 
the activity of the parietal lobes, allowing us to experience our natural 
oneness with the 
rest of creation.

The frontal lobes of the brain are associated with the passion for life, 
enthusiasm, and love 
of God. The deeksha activates the frontal lobes. The activation of the frontal 
lobes leads to 
the experience of God realization, oneness with God, our own personal God. 

Diksha is being given to humanity at this time in its history to assist the 
world's 
transformation to a higher level of consciousness. It is a gift of the Divine 
through the 
intercession of Sri Bhagavan and Sri Padmavati Devi Amma. It is offered through 
their 
followers, called deeksha givers, all over the world.





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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> >  
> > In a message dated 7/31/06 5:59:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > jstein@ writes:
> > 
> > If a man  has a gun and says he's going to shoot you and you have 
> > a gun
> > > >  wouldn't you shoot first?
> > > 
> > > It would depend entirely on whether  I thought
> > > he really meant it.
> > 
> > ...as well as whether I thought  the gun was loaded.
> > 
> > Fatal Rookie mistake.
> 
> You mean, shooting someone with an unloaded gun?
>

Reasonable Person Test:

someone points a gun at you and you shoot him. It turns out to be unloaded. No 
problem.

someone, in front of you, empties their gun, checks to make sure there is no 
round in the 
chamber, than points it at you and you shoot him. It turns out to be unloaded. 
BIG 
problem.









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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Salvatore Sunshine brought up a good point:
> 
> MUM's exclusion of that Diksha fellow may in fact be a violation of 
> federal law: you cannot exclude someone from an activity based upon 
> their religion..and since MUM is federally funded, this law applies to 
> them.
> 
> This is assuming, of course, that the Diksha fellow does his program 
> regularly and that he does the Diksha OUTSIDE his program time.
>

Neither of those apply. If he can't be excluded due to religion, he can't be 
excluded because 
doing or not-doing any mental/spiritual practice. It's a by-invitation-only 
event. The 
university has the right to pick and choose who they invite to closed-door 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> > >
> > > on 7/31/06 11:38 AM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:
> > >  
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > on 7/31/06 6:30 AM, Peter at drpetersutphen@ wrote:
> > > >> >  
> > > >>> > > 
> > > >>> > > David Bousfield! He was on Purusha when it first
> > > >>> > > started. I'm amazed he became a diksha teacher.
> > > >>> > > 
> > > >> > A couple of Purusha guys have done so, and others are 
> involved in
> > > > it, but
> > > >> > haven¹t become teachers.
> > > >> >
> > > > 
> > > > Sorry, I may have asked this before but could someone please 
> remind me
> > > > what Diksha is?
> > > > 
> > > > Is it done DURING the TM program...or is it done OUTSIDE of 
> the period
> > > > of program?
> > > > 
> > > Outside. It¹s a sort of spiritual energy transfer by laying on 
> of hands.
> > >
> > 
> > Was the guy telling all his friends and customers that he was 
> soaking up the good vibes in 
> > order to make his own diksha stronger? 
> > 
> > There's plenty of plausible scenarios where the TMO would have a 
> good reason to deny 
> > him access. 
> 
> 
> 
> Boy, Spare Egg,  you could justify anything.
> 

Nope. For instance, there was no justification in leaving that insane kid by 
himself while 
the dean of students went off to meditate. 


> 
> > 
> > BTW, was the guy in the middle of meditation when the security 
> guards asked him to leave 
> > or was it before practice had started?
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: DIKSHA IN FAIRFIELD

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "inthislifetime300" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> http://www.onenessmovementia.org/Pages/DeekshaEvents.html
> 

Hmmm... Seems like Deeksha can only be offered by followers of a specific guru:

Deeksha is an energy transfer that facilitates awakening to one's personal 
indwelling 
Divine Presence.

This is an actual Neuro-biological change. The parietal lobes, located in the 
brain near the 
top of the skull, are responsible for our orientation in space. Without them we 
could not 
get a spoon to our mouth or find our way through a doorway. Since Hans Selye's 
work in 
the 30's, however, scientists agree that the parietal lobes are overactive in 
most human 
beings. The overactive nature of the parietal lobes causes us to feel 
existentially separate 
and even opposed to our environment - not supported, not safe. The diksha 
energy calms 
the activity of the parietal lobes, allowing us to experience our natural 
oneness with the 
rest of creation.

The frontal lobes of the brain are associated with the passion for life, 
enthusiasm, and love 
of God. The deeksha activates the frontal lobes. The activation of the frontal 
lobes leads to 
the experience of God realization, oneness with God, our own personal God. 

Diksha is being given to humanity at this time in its history to assist the 
world's 
transformation to a higher level of consciousness. It is a gift of the Divine 
through the 
intercession of Sri Bhagavan and Sri Padmavati Devi Amma. It is offered through 
their 
followers, called deeksha givers, all over the world.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[Marek Reavis]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
**SNIP**
> > 
> > The campus is private property and campus officials can request a
> > person to leave their property whenever they deem that someone is
> > trespassing.  No shoes, no shirt, no service.  They can withdraw 
> their
> > invitation at any time.  Not a civil rights violation; just a
> > trespassing issue.
> > 
> > If the person had paid money for certain privileges or services and
> > then they were denied those privileges or services without credit
> > (either in whole or prorated) then the person might sue for breach 
> of
> > contract, but it seems that the course was free.
> 
> 
> What about the fact that the university receives federal funding? 
> Does that not put them within the scope of federal laws?
> 
**END**

No, it's still a contract issue.  An agreement between the university
(or some other TMO entity) and the course participant; a contract of
some sort.  And maybe a provisional one that spells out that course
acceptance or participation is contingent upon some TMO
security/purity/worthiness clearance and that the TMO can call it off
whenever they feel like it.  Can't imagine that the TMO doesn't have
competent legal counsel for things like emergency spiritual crisis
course contracts.  I'd imagine it's pretty much boilerplate stuff that
absolves and holds blameless the university for anything.

Enforceability is another matter, but based on the pure fuzziness of
what is promised and/or anticipated in the whole premise of these
courses I believe that most courts would be very reluctant to get
involved.  Plus the money involved really isn't that great of an
amount so what lawyer is going to litigate it if there's no payoff.

The federal funding matter brings the university within the scope of
federal law as it relates to certain federal educational requirements.
 But I can't see how a course like this would relate to federal
funding.  Plus, what would be the "protected group" that these people
belong to that makes it a civil rights violation?  (Like race or
religion or gender status.)  These people get to practice whatever it
is that they do (whether religion or sadhana or however they
characterize it) but the university (or the TMO) is just telling them
that they can't do it whatever it is, there, on that course. 
Catholics don't let Muslims lead prayer services during their mass.

As Peter said before, it's the TMO's bat and ball.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > on 7/31/06 1:12 AM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  > > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha 
> > > teacher David
> > > > >> > Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the 
> middle 
> > > of
> > > > > program,
> > > > >> > two security guards ushered him out.
> > > > >> >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Does he practise the TM Program regularly?
> > > > > 
> > > > Yes.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If "yes", you should share the "Hundreds of meditations" MP3 
> > > audio in
> > > > > the files section with him and have him play it for the 
> muckety-
> > > mucks.
> > > > 
> > > > Don¹t know about that. A song?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It's the audio from 1974 where Maharishi says one can do TM and 
> > > practise hundreds of other meditations at the same time.
> > > 
> > > It's in our files section.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > As Judy likes to say "non sequitor":
> 
> 
> 
> 
> What's a non-sequitor, Spare Egg, is someone who doesn't practise TM 
> regularly, continually playing the role of the TB cult member on 
> this forum.
> 
> 
> 

Ah, so now YOU are the authority on who is or isn't a cult-member? Hard to tell 
when 
you're being ironic and when you're just being you...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Please do not mention my name for my purposes. U may post this 4 the group

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > From a friend:
> > 
> > The TMO has allowed by various errors 8 people into  DC  4 & or 
> the two
> > domes another 4 in there haste & error. All were previously told 
> they could
> > attend & even given badges but on subsequent orthodox checks & or 
> re- checks
> > removed for those environments. They were to be stopped from 
> entering on
> > next there next coming however before entry. However 5 of the 
> eight were
> > asked to leave once inside the meditation halls.  None put up any 
> fuss &
> > none were compensated  for there travels & none asked for such as I
> > understand this. None were asked to re-- pay any food or board 
> funds
> > extended. One can not thus really be 100 % sure of admittance for 
> the system
> > of checks has wholes in it. Also, many but I have no numbers were 
> NOT
> > accepted strait out. They were for the most part told to do  
> contact there
> > center. etc. ... ...  The following is a verbatim email sent to 
> those NOT
> > accepted., other wise they are informed by fax or phone.
> > 
> 
> 
> > ( persons name)Thank you for your application to the 
> Invincible America
> > Course. We are unable to process your application for the course. 
> We invite
> > you to continue to enjoy your TM-Sidhi Program at  home as 
> coherence rises
> > in the United States. We would also suggest that you participate 
> in group
> > practice of the TM- Sidhi program at your local Enlightenment 
> Center
> > Department for the Development of Consciouness.
> >
> 
> 
> ***
> 
> This is certainly consistent with the chronic stupidity observed in 
> Capitol and National folks: sorry, we don't want you f*cking up our 
> group, but please feel free to f*ck up your local group. What kind 
> of nonsense is that, besides the fact that they can't even keep a 
> simple list of people they don't want?
>

On the other hand, a permanent list of "bad people" would be a definite sign of 
a cult. As 
the saying goes: we know TM isn't a cult 'cause a cult is more efficient.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> OK, what about the hustling out with no provocation?  Civil rights 
> violation?  Any lawyers here?
> 
> Sal

Not a public place: by invitation only and the invitation was rescinded, etc...

> 
> 
> On Jul 31, 2006, at 5:58 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> > on 7/31/06 4:51 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Rick,
> >  It seems there's got to be some  illegalities here.  If they told him 
> > in a letter or over the phone that he was accepted, and he shelled out 
> > the course fee, transportation, room and board, etc., wouldn't doing 
> > something like going to Small Claims Court be a possibility...to at 
> > least recoup something? And it is legal for someone to come in and 
> > forcefully hustle someone else out of a building, when they were no 
> > threat to anybody else?   My guess is they are betting on the usual TM 
> > spinelessness letting them get away with this, and that he'll prove 
> > them right.
> >
> > He lives here, and I believe the course is free.  __
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: DIKSHA IN FAIRFIELD

[steven klayman]

What these deeksha givers failed to mention is that
they each spent many thousands of dollars to fly to
India and be trained to pass on this Divine Blessing.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual War Crimes: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[steven klayman]

spraig. Do you mean that if he charges money he would
be competing with the TMO for peoples pocketbooks?
This is still America, isnt it? I mean capitalism and
all that stuff. And if he does it at the same time as
program in the domes he should be punished because
some people might actually think for themselves and go
to deeksha rather than the dome and therefore the age
of enlightenment might be postponed another day. Is
that your point? 
God help us!!!

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[steven klayman]

What poppycock
He doesnt practice deeksha. No one does. People are so
entrenched in doing, as if it will get you somewhere. 
It is the laying on of hands. period. The TMO would
toss Jesus out if he came by because he did the same
thing. 
Its like throwing a dentist out because he fills
teeth.
The rationalizations of the TMO are as bizarre as
actions of the TMO.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Road Trip (I never advocated the use of Nukes)

[Robert Gimbel]

To comment on the statements below:
I never advocated the use of these weapons of mass destruction.
I was just putting different facts out, about the weapons we've 
produced;
The current threat from the facist fundementalists;
I don't know what the answer is the current world situation...
It seems both sides are on a collision course.
I agree with Maharishi, that we are in a very dangerous period.
I would hope and pray that these weapons are never used again...
Much of what I wrote, over the weekend, was written in anger and 
haste, and much of it was reactionary, based on what was happening in 
Israel.
I really don't believe war is a solution for anything.
It is just getting to the point, where the situation is getting 
dangerously out of hand;
With the animosity and hatred on both sides getting very explosive.
I don't know what the answer is, other than to not buy into all of 
this outer stuff that is going on...
And remain peaceful on the inside;
R.G.
Remain in the 'Self';
Is ultimately the best we can do, as a friend had suggested to me



> > > > > > Robert Gimbel advocated that in a recent thread.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Was that advocating or poetically speculating what appears 
> to 
> > be 
> > > > inevitable? Can never tell with him.
> > > > 
> > > > He was pretty obviously speculating on several
> > > > different angles. 
> > > 
> > > No, he wasn't "obviously speculating".  He quite clearly meant 
> it 
> > > (that is, if one isn't using Billie Bats logic).
> > > 
> > >  He's left three or four posts
> > > > that made it quite clear he wasn't *advocating*
> > > > (one is reproduced below).
> > > 
> > > He may have rescinded his remarks in a subsequent post but he 
> was 
> > > clearly ADVOCATING in the original post(s).
> > 
> > I don't believe he rescinded anything.  He clarified
> > for the knee-jerkers.
> > 
> > > Here's the first unambiguous advocation of the dropping of 
> hydrogen 
> > > bombs on millions of people:
> > 
> > Read this in light of his subsequent posts, please.
> 
> 
> Oh, you mean like I should read the transcript of Mel Gibson's 
> original anti-semitic rants in light of his publicist's statement 
> today?
> 
> I don't have the siddhi for looking into the future so when I read 
> the post of Robert's that I reproduced below I didn't qualify it.
> 
> The post stands by itself.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > He's asking the same questions.
> > 
> > > Iran supports Hezbollah.
> > > Iran cannot be trusted.
> > > The leader of Iran is a replica of Adolf Hitler.
> > > His stated goal is to wipe out the United States and Israel.
> > > We have the power to stop him quickly and painlessly.
> > > We have ICBM's, and powerful Hydrogen Bombs, 
> > > Of 10-20 megaton capacity.
> > > We can vaporize Iran in short time.
> > > We invested enormous amounts of money;
> > > Developing these weapons;
> > > When else would they be used;
> > > If not in this current situation with the madness;
> > > Of Iran.
> > >  
> > > R.Gimbel  Seattle,WA.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Here's one of 'em:
> > > > 
> > > > I admit, that I was in a rather 'cold' mood when I wrote this 
> last
> > > > night;
> > > > I was attempting to question the whole sanity of creating 
these
> > > > nuclear weapons;
> > > > Would you have everyone in the defense department, and 
> everyone 
> > who
> > > > designs and manufacture these weapons: would you have them be
> > > > mentally checked out at their local psycho ward?
> > > > What do you think of this hardward we've produced over the 
> years;
> > > > That these crazy Iranians, are just 'dieing' to get there 
> little
> > > > hands on.
> > > > And what do you think they would do with the weapons;
> > > > Nuclear weapons; do you think they would make good on thier 
> > promise
> > > > to 'wipe Israel off the map?'
> > > > Do you think they would hesitate to wipe the United States 
off 
> the
> > > > map, if they could.
> > > > Do you think Hitler and the Nazi's would have used an Atomic 
> > bomb, 
> > > on
> > > > the Allies, if they had designed it first.
> > > > You are right about the fact that Kadafi, decided to give up 
> his
> > > > Messianic ambitions;
> > > > But, this dude in Iran, he now wants to be the dude to wipe 
> > > everyone
> > > > out.
> > > > So, I just thought, in my crazy little mind;
> > > > That perhaps we should remind this little neopolian hitler 
> iranian
> > > > shit head;
> > > > That the United States has all the nukes that he could ever 
> > > imagine;
> > > > And delivery systems that he could ever imagine;
> > > > And to get the idea, out of his stupid head;
> > > > That he will wipe anyone off the map;
> > > > Or be a messianic figure to anyone.
> > > > Just my crazy opinion...
> > > >
> > >
> >
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[FairfieldLife] Notes on the dissolution of a seeker

[Rick Archer]

http://www.beyonddescription.net/flash/index.html




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[FairfieldLife] Kaplan's brother a bookie?

[bob_brigante]

Rick Archer reported here that David/Earl Kaplan's brother, Gary was 
the founder of BetOnSports, but it says here that he used to be a NY 
bookie -- doesn't really seem like the Kaplan family career path:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-07-31-betonsports-pleas_x.htm





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[steven klayman]

hey schemp. There is life beyond the TMO. There are
wonderful people associated with the TMO in Fairfield
but there are so many spiritual seekers out there, and
many started with TM. And there are many wise souls
out there who never indulged in TM or the TMO. I still
have many friends from the old days who still like me
even tho i would not set foot in the Golden Dome. Our
dome here in austin is a weed infested broken down
building that no one uses. Oh, my mistake . Two days
ago I saw a car in the parking lot of the dome. People
are spooked because it has bad vastu. PUHLEZE
Who would want to hang out with people who would throw
you out of the dome because you can think for
yourself?
You have a winner but just dont yet realize it. 
And so many in fairfield are doing other practices and
dont judge you. There is a lot more to spirituality
than TM. MMY just never told us. We are only
responsible for ourselves. No  one can tell someone
how to have  a relationship with the Divine. We are
each on our own journey and as Ramakrishna has stated
"There are as many paths as there are people."
BTW, Guru Dev's picture still graces my altar.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
> getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
> thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
> program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
> Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
> something?
> 



I think Rick is saying that the diksha thing does not apply during 
meditation time, but is a laying on of hands thing that is used post-
meditation, so it would be funny for National to justify banning 
somebody from the dome because they would not be doing TM during their 
dome time. 

It's a bogus issue to me either way, because if TMers are supposed to 
be producing such a powerful influence of coherence, then a few people 
not on the same wavelength would be insignificant, just the like the 
many sleepers or drowsy people in the dome are not an important 
influence one way or the other.

I remember when I used to do group meditation at the TM center on 
campus, many of the Chinese and Indian students who did not practice 
TM were nevertheless required to attend the twice daily sessions, and 
some of them would listen to radios, most would sleep. Didn't make any 
difference to me, although I thought it was stupid to require people 
to show up for something they had no interest in.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Not a lawyer, but the TMO and its related organisations are 
private.
> 
> But, hey, you may have a point:
> 
> ISN'T MUM FEDERALLY FUNDED?  IF THEY ARE, THEY MAY INDEED BE IN 
> VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW THAT PROHIBITS DISCRIMINATION BASED UPON 
> RELIGION!!
> 
> 
*

Colleges receiving federal funding can discriminate based on 
religion.


"At Joshua Davey's alma mater, Northwest College, which is 
affiliated with the Assembly of God Church, every student must 
profess "a personal commitment to Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior." 
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/dokupil200402270920.asp

also: 
http://www.northwestu.edu/admissions/requirements/preadmission.php


Northwest College is also accredited by the recognized regional 
accreditation agency ( 
http://www.northwestu.edu/about/history.php ), just like MUM and 
Harvard, and the students have access to all the federal financial 
aid:
http://eagle.northwestu.edu/financialaid/






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome





on 7/31/06 10:13 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If I was doing group program someplace and some dude
next to me was doing some other program, I'd say two
things to him; 1)Why are you here doing a different
program, and 2) Get the f*ck out of here, you retard.
-Pter (I come in peace) S.

I think most of us agree that no one should be doing anything other than MMY’s program in the dome. What we object to is the TMO’s concern with anything outside of that, which most people would consider their private concern. This policy has created mountains of ill will in FF over the years.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
> getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
> thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
> program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
> Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
> something?

Some feel the TMO has no right to think he isn't
doing the official TM program, it seems.

Others feel the TMO has no right to throw him out
even if it was sure he wasn't doing the official TM
program.

Still others are upset because he was accepted for
the course initially and assume he got screwed out
of travel money and course fees when he was
subsequently ejected, except that it appears he lives
in town and the course is free.

Others think it's a case of religious discrimination
because he practices deeksha, and because MUM receives
federal funds, it isn't allowed to discriminate.

I believe one person suggested he could take the TMO
to court for humiliating him.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual War Crime: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[dhamiltony2k5]

"But it's NOT off the program...if Rick Archer is correct in his
explanation to me, Diksha is something that is done OUTSIDE of TM
and this David person regularly practises the TM and TM-Sidhi
program."

Yeah that is right.  Can easily do TM and TM-Sidhi without anything 
Diksha.  So it is simply a Spiritual crime to keep experienced 
practiced TM-Sidhi practitioners out of the practice this way.  
Counter-productive.  It is like trying to 'fight' terrorism by also 
bombing houses with children and mothers in them. Opps. Bad 
administration.  Sad but true.
 
JGD,
-Doug in FF



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
> wrote:
> >
> > But I do understand how the TMO feels regarding people
> > on other programs doing their "off-the program"
> > programs in the dome.
> 
> 
> 
> But it's NOT off the program...if Rick Archer is correct in his 
> explanation to me, Diksha is something that is done OUTSIDE of TM 
> and this David person regularly practises the TM and TM-Sidhi 
> program.
> 
> 
> 
> > Its the TMO bat and ball, so to
> > speak, and if they don't like what you're doing they
> > don't have to let you play.
> 
> 
> 
> Uh, actually they do.
> 
> I contend that people who started TM before it became a cult 
started 
> it when the instructions were universal.
> 
> If the TM changes the rules now in such a radical way then there 
> should be consequences for the TMO.
> 
> 
> 
> > They want everybody in a
> > group program to be doing TM and the TM-sidhis program
> > and that's all. I can't fault them for this.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Do you not agree if people are doing the TM and TM-Sidhi programs 
> regularly -- both in and out of the Dome -- then it is no one's 
> business what religion or spiritual pracise(s) they engage 
in...and 
> that they should NOT be barred from Dome practise?
> 
> If you don't agree, could you please tell me which other religions 
> or spiritual practises should be rejected...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > I guess
> > the only problem would be trusting the person to only
> > do their TM program. And obviously the TMO has
> > problems trusting people to only do their TM program. 
> > 
> > --- dhamiltony2k5  wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
> > > Peter  wrote:
> > > I'm amazed he became a diksha teacher.
> > > > 
> > >  Doug writing:  He got diksha, yo got diksha, you
> > > got diksha, we all 
> > > got diksha.  A couple years ago Chalanda Ma sent
> > > some teachers here 
> > > to FF and taught people how to give diksha for $35
> > > each on a weekend 
> > > seminar.  Quite a room full of people took the
> > > course here that 
> > > way.  
> > > Some other people from the TMO found Kalki in India
> > > too and went 
> > > over there as wondering devotees to learn how to
> > > give diksha.  From 
> > > Kalki it costs thousands of dollars to learn and be
> > > empowered by 
> > > certification and they tend to franchise the diksha
> > > more and hold 
> > > themselves out that way.  Of that type of diksha
> > > there are all kinds 
> > > of people doing it here and receiving it here in
> > > spiritual 
> > > practice.  Where would the inquisition stop?
> > > 
> > > -Doug
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > David Bousfield! He was on Purusha when it first
> > > > started. I'm amazed he became a diksha teacher..  
> > > > 
> > > > --- Rick Archer  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now
> > > > > diksha teacher David
> > > > > Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today,
> > > in
> > > > > the middle of program,
> > > > > two security guards ushered him out.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[Peter]

If I was doing group program someplace and some dude
next to me was doing some other program, I'd say two
things to him; 1)Why are you here doing a different
program, and 2) Get the f*ck out of here, you retard.
-Pter (I come in peace) S.

--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> on 7/31/06 2:06 PM, shempmcgurk at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > I suggest that he inform the powers-that-be that
> he will continue to
> > go to the Dome and if they stop him he will employ
> some of that non-
> > violent resistance that some on this forum think
> so highly of.
> > 
> He could go to the dome but he would be physically
> barred from entering the
> doors. Security is pretty tight.
> > 
> > He should also inform them that he will go to the
> press.  He should
> > do this quietly so that he can let them save
> face...but he should do
> > it forcefully and in no uncertain terms.
> > 
> He probably won¹t do this. He¹ll kiss the Movement
> goodbye, like most do. Or
> maybe he¹ll start a chat forum, like I did ;-)
> 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] DIKSHA IN FAIRFIELD

[Peter]

Sat Guru's give deeksha just once. Why are multiple
sessions needed? If your deesha instructor has cooties
are they transmitted through deeksha? Things to think
about while on the toilet.

--- inthislifetime300 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
http://www.onenessmovementia.org/Pages/DeekshaEvents.html
> 
> Deeksha is now being offered 3 times a week in
> Fairfield
> 
> Thursdays at 12:15 PM and 7:30 PM and Sundays at
> 4:15 PM
> 
> 701 South 2nd Street ,   Fairfield, Southeast
> Iowa, USA
> 
> Newcomers please come 45 minutes early to view
> an intro video
> 
> Cost of Deeksha: Love donation. $5 suggested.
> 
> Understanding Love Donation: The cost for
> deeksha represents an 
> energy exchange between us and the Universe.
> Whenever we ask for 
> energy from the Universe, we give something of our
> own energy in 
> exchange. The monetary donations make it possible
> for us to cover the 
> expenses of making the deeksha available. However,
> giving money is 
> only one way of creating an energy exchange. If
> money is a problem, 
> it is possible to create an energy exchange in some
> other way. For 
> instance, we could make lunch for a sick friend. Or
> we could 
> volunteer at the hospital. But we must give of our
> own energy in some 
> way when asking for energy from the Universe.
> 
> Ajmal and Sharina will be giving deeksha with us
> until the end of 
> April. Five deeksha givers altogether.
> 
> Karuna, from Holland, will be in Fairfield
> giving deeksha 
> beginning the end of April until the end of June,
> 2006. We all 
> enjoyed her deeksha during her last visit.
> 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

[Peter]

I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
something?

--- inthislifetime300 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sorry Judy,
> 
> David signature was not on the previous post.  It
> was at the bottom 
> of his website.
> 
> \--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "inthislifetime300" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Well if anyone wants to contact David about a
> lawsuit, here is 
> his 
> > > contact info from his diksha website:
> > > 
> > > David Bousfield  attended the 21 day Process at
> Oneness 
> University 
> > in 
> > > October, 2005. He is now giving Deeksha in
> Fairfield with Nathan 
> > and 
> > > Marie. In addition, David gives phone deeksha
> and private deeksha 
> > > sessions in the privacy of your own home. Call
> David at
> > > 641-209-5793, or email him at bousfield@
> > > 
> > > David
> > 
> > David, do you consider deeksha to be an activity
> > of your religion?
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > For deeksha events around the world, see
> www.onenessmovement.org
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "shempmcgurk" 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salvatore Sunshine brought up a good point:
> > > > 
> > > > MUM's exclusion of that Diksha fellow may in
> fact be a 
> violation 
> > of 
> > > > federal law: you cannot exclude someone from
> an activity based 
> > upon 
> > > > their religion..and since MUM is federally
> funded, this law 
> > applies 
> > > to 
> > > > them.
> > > > 
> > > > This is assuming, of course, that the Diksha
> fellow does his 
> > program 
> > > > regularly and that he does the Diksha OUTSIDE
> his program time.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Beware the Yoga Demon!

[matrixmonitor]

---

*Beware the Yoga Demon! The Christian Right's fear of self-
realization 
and spirituality*
By Mel Seesholtz, Ph.D.
Jun 22, 2006, 00:39

They're still at it. Those paranoid Christian fundamentalists are 
again 
attacking yoga.

This is not the first time they've done so. On September 6, 2005, the 
Christian news service Agape Press carried an article 
 titled ?School 
Yoga Fitness Programs May Be Unhealthy Alternative, Author Warns.? 
The 
author cited was Dr. Walter Larimore, who wrote /Alternative 
Medicine: A 
Christian Handbook/. Dr. Larimore argued that because yoga has 
spiritual 
roots outside Christianity, the practice can be dangerous. He argued 
that ?involvement with Eastern spiritual practices is known to cause 
psychological and emotional problems in some people.?

In all probability those ?some people? had psychological and/or 
emotional problems before even considering taking a yoga class. Or 
perhaps Latimer defines ?psychological and emotional problems? as 
questioning the no-thinking-allowed dogma of Christian 
fundamentalism. 
The /billions/ of people worldwide who have practiced yoga /for 
centuries/ certainly do not support Larimore?s preposterous claim.

On June 15, 2006, Agape Press carried this article:

*Author Wants to Enlighten Christians About Yoga's Demonic Influence

*

Christian author Dave Hunt, co-founder of the Oregon-based ministry, 
The 
Berean Call , has written a new book 
called /Yoga and the Body of Christ/. In it, he contends that yoga is 
a 
spiritually dangerous practice designed to expose people to demonic 
influences.

Mr. Hunt is quoted as saying, ?If you want to benefit yourself 
physically, then do exercises that were designed for that. Do not get 
into things that were designed for self-realization . . . If you want 
to 
do some exercises, please don?t call it yoga, because as soon as you 
do, 
you?ve put a certain connotation on it.?

Why would Mr. Hunt fear ?self-realization?? Why would he advise 
?Christians? to avoid it?

Could it be that if people achieve self-realization they will 
recognize 
the sinister mind-control techniques of ?ministries? such as The 
Berean 
Call? Could it be that they would also realize that if they develop a 
?personal relationship with God,? there is no need for ministries? 
The 
clergy would become little more than ?middlemen? who, like all 
middlemen, leech off others for their own self-aggrandizement. In 
fact, 
the clergy would become ?demonic influences? interrupting, twisting 
and 
poisoning one?s personal relationship with Divinity for their own 
power 
and profit.

Matthew 4:8-9 comes to mind: ?The devil took him [Jesus] to a very 
high 
mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their 
splendor. *?*All this I will give you,? he said, ?if you will bow 
down 
and worship me.?? The socio-political message of the Christian Right 
to 
Americans is /exactly/ the same, especially at election time.

?Please don?t call it yoga, because as soon as you do, you?ve put a 
certain connotation on it.? Why does Mr. Hunt fear the word ?yoga?? 
Is 
he saying that the word alone invokes demons? If one intones the word 
?yoga? does Mephistopheles appear in lotus position?

Aside from centuries of spiritual healing, the health benefits ? both 
physical and mental ? of yoga are well documented 
. 
What really seems to be at the heart of Dr. Larimore?s and Mr. Hunt?s 
warnings is a desire to prevent Christians from knowing about or 
exploring other belief systems and the self-realization /true/ 
spirituality brings. But that Machiavellian ?Christian? message ? and 
the call to ignorance ? is a common one.

One place it can be heard loud and clear is at TrueU.org 
, which isn?
t 
a university at all but part of James Dobson?s Focus on the Family 
media 
syndicate. Dobson is the ?religious? middleman who has set ?himself 
up 
as the moral authority of the nation 
.? TrueU frequently offers 
?lectures? explaining why Christianity is the only true religion and 
why 
Jesus is the only ?God? and, by implication, why those who wish to 
avoid 
thinking for themselves as well as self-realization should enroll in 
TrueU, which is actually Focus on the Family Institute 
.

One TrueU lecture, ?Choosin' My Religion 
? by J.P. 
Moreland, claimed to offer ?objective principles to guide one in 
choosing a religion.? The oxymoron is obvious: religion is anything 
but 
?objective.?

?Why Believe That Jesus Is The Only Way? 
? by 
Douglas 
Groothuis presented incestuous, self-serving ?/biblical evidence/ f

[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, what about the hustling out with no provocation?  Civil 
> rights 
> > > violation?  Any lawyers here?
> > > 
> > > Sal
> > > 
> > **
> > 
> > The campus is private property and campus officials can request a
> > person to leave their property whenever they deem that someone is
> > trespassing.  No shoes, no shirt, no service.  They can withdraw 
> their
> > invitation at any time.  Not a civil rights violation; just a
> > trespassing issue.
> > 
> > If the person had paid money for certain privileges or services
> > and then they were denied those privileges or services without 
> > credit (either in whole or prorated) then the person might sue 
> > for breach of contract, but it seems that the course was free.
> 
> What about the fact that the university receives federal funding? 
> Does that not put them within the scope of federal laws?

What federal law did they break?







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wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> > >
> > > on 7/31/06 8:09 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > > OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
> > > > of a specific religion?
> > > > 
> > > Hindu related. You go to India to learn it. But other religions
> > > have similar things.
> > 
> > Be a little difficult to charge religious
> > discrimination in a lawsuit, then, I imagine.
> 
> Please.
> 
> The guy practises the laying on of hands.
> 
> What do you call that, massage therapy?

No, see, that isn't the way it works, Shemp.

He'd have to prove he was a member of a particular
religion and that they threw him out because of his
belief in that religion.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Obsession: What The War on Terror Is Really About ( m...

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>  
> In a message dated 7/31/06 8:06:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> >  > If a man has a gun and says he's going to shoot you and you 
have 
> >  > a gun
> > > > > wouldn't you shoot first?
> > > >  
> > > > It would depend entirely on whether I thought
> > >  > he really meant it.
> > > 
> > > ...as well as whether I  thought the gun was loaded.
> > > 
> > > Fatal Rookie  mistake.
> > 
> > You mean, shooting someone with an unloaded  gun?
> 
> Lemme try that again: You mean, shooting someone
> who's  threatening you with an unloaded gun?
> 
> Uh, shooting someone who has an  unloaded gun and
> is threatening you with  it?
> 
> Unless you're really psychic how do you know the gun is not loaded? 

You don't, but you can make a good guess.

> Aren't you taking a very dangerous risk. Would you threaten 
> somebody with an unloaded gun?

Sure, if I thought they'd believe it was loaded.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obsession: What The War on Terror Is Really About ( m...

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In a message dated 7/31/06 8:06:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
  > If a man has a gun and says he's going to shoot you and you have > 
  > a gun> > > > wouldn't you shoot first?> > > 
  > > > It would depend entirely on whether I thought> > 
  > he really meant it.> > > > ...as well as whether I 
  thought the gun was loaded.> > > > Fatal Rookie 
  mistake.> > You mean, shooting someone with an unloaded 
  gun?Lemme try that again: You mean, shooting someonewho's 
  threatening you with an unloaded gun?Uh, shooting someone who has an 
  unloaded gun andis threatening you with 
it?

Unless you're really psychic how do you know the gun is not loaded? Aren't 
you taking a very dangerous risk. Would you threaten somebody with an unloaded 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> wrote:
> >
> > OK, what about the hustling out with no provocation?  Civil 
rights 
> > violation?  Any lawyers here?
> > 
> > Sal
> > 
> **
> 
> The campus is private property and campus officials can request a
> person to leave their property whenever they deem that someone is
> trespassing.  No shoes, no shirt, no service.  They can withdraw 
their
> invitation at any time.  Not a civil rights violation; just a
> trespassing issue.
> 
> If the person had paid money for certain privileges or services and
> then they were denied those privileges or services without credit
> (either in whole or prorated) then the person might sue for breach 
of
> contract, but it seems that the course was free.


What about the fact that the university receives federal funding? 
Does that not put them within the scope of federal laws?




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[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 7/31/06 8:00:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If a man 
  has a gun and says he's going to shoot you and you have > a gun> 
  > > wouldn't you shoot first?> > > > It would depend 
  entirely on whether I thought> > he really meant it.> 
  > ...as well as whether I thought the gun was loaded.> > 
  Fatal Rookie mistake.You mean, shooting someone with an unloaded 
  gun?

No, thinking he might not shoot or be pointing an unloaded gun at 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[Sal Sunshine]

Thank you for the answer.  The course was free, but supposedly there were several who were accepted, paid transportation and arranged rooms, and they were thrown off as well.

Anybody know if that actually happened or was just rumor from that previous post?


Sal


On Jul 31, 2006, at 8:47 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:

he campus is private property and campus officials can request a
person to leave their property whenever they deem that someone is
trespassing.  No shoes, no shirt, no service.  They can withdraw their
invitation at any time.  Not a civil rights violation; just a
trespassing issue.

If the person had paid money for certain privileges or services and
then they were denied those privileges or services without credit
(either in whole or prorated) then the person might sue for breach of
contract, but it seems that the course was free.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > on 7/31/06 8:09 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
> > 
> > > OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
> > > of a specific religion?
> > > 
> > Hindu related. You go to India to learn it. But other religions 
have
> > similar things.
> 
> Be a little difficult to charge religious
> discrimination in a lawsuit, then, I imagine.
>

Please.

The guy practises the laying on of hands.

What do you call that, massage therapy?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Road Trip

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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > on 7/31/06 11:57 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 > > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > , "Paul Mason" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I haven't been reading the posts about Israel or 
Iran, 
> as 
> > I 
> > > log on
> > > > > >> > to tune into MMY & Guru Dev related topics, but I did 
> > visit 
> > > Iran
> > > > > >> > twice some years back and I just can't bring myself 
to 
> > think 
> > > in
> > > > > >> > hostile terms about people who gave me both 
sustinence & 
> > > hospital
> > > > > >> > treatment to save my life.
> > > > > >> > 
> > > > > >> > Perhaps people are getting over identified and 
involved 
> > with 
> > > the
> > > > > >> > news they hear about? Isn't that what so often 
happens 
> > when 
> > > people
> > > > > >> > get overloaded by external stimulus?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Could be, but if you're referring to Barry's
> > > > > > claim that some folks here have been advocating
> > > > > > the use of nuclear weapons against Iran, that
> > > > > > appears to have been one of Barry's many fantasies
> > > > > > that have been making him so unhappy.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > Robert Gimbel advocated that in a recent thread.
> > > > 
> > > > Was that advocating or poetically speculating what appears 
to 
> be 
> > > inevitable? Can never tell with him.
> > > 
> > > He was pretty obviously speculating on several
> > > different angles. 
> > 
> > No, he wasn't "obviously speculating".  He quite clearly meant 
it 
> > (that is, if one isn't using Billie Bats logic).
> > 
> >  He's left three or four posts
> > > that made it quite clear he wasn't *advocating*
> > > (one is reproduced below).
> > 
> > He may have rescinded his remarks in a subsequent post but he 
was 
> > clearly ADVOCATING in the original post(s).
> 
> I don't believe he rescinded anything.  He clarified
> for the knee-jerkers.
> 
> > Here's the first unambiguous advocation of the dropping of 
hydrogen 
> > bombs on millions of people:
> 
> Read this in light of his subsequent posts, please.


Oh, you mean like I should read the transcript of Mel Gibson's 
original anti-semitic rants in light of his publicist's statement 
today?

I don't have the siddhi for looking into the future so when I read 
the post of Robert's that I reproduced below I didn't qualify it.

The post stands by itself.




> He's asking the same questions.
> 
> > Iran supports Hezbollah.
> > Iran cannot be trusted.
> > The leader of Iran is a replica of Adolf Hitler.
> > His stated goal is to wipe out the United States and Israel.
> > We have the power to stop him quickly and painlessly.
> > We have ICBM's, and powerful Hydrogen Bombs, 
> > Of 10-20 megaton capacity.
> > We can vaporize Iran in short time.
> > We invested enormous amounts of money;
> > Developing these weapons;
> > When else would they be used;
> > If not in this current situation with the madness;
> > Of Iran.
> >  
> > R.Gimbel  Seattle,WA.
> >
> >
> > > Here's one of 'em:
> > > 
> > > I admit, that I was in a rather 'cold' mood when I wrote this 
last
> > > night;
> > > I was attempting to question the whole sanity of creating these
> > > nuclear weapons;
> > > Would you have everyone in the defense department, and 
everyone 
> who
> > > designs and manufacture these weapons: would you have them be
> > > mentally checked out at their local psycho ward?
> > > What do you think of this hardward we've produced over the 
years;
> > > That these crazy Iranians, are just 'dieing' to get there 
little
> > > hands on.
> > > And what do you think they would do with the weapons;
> > > Nuclear weapons; do you think they would make good on thier 
> promise
> > > to 'wipe Israel off the map?'
> > > Do you think they would hesitate to wipe the United States off 
the
> > > map, if they could.
> > > Do you think Hitler and the Nazi's would have used an Atomic 
> bomb, 
> > on
> > > the Allies, if they had designed it first.
> > > You are right about the fact that Kadafi, decided to give up 
his
> > > Messianic ambitions;
> > > But, this dude in Iran, he now wants to be the dude to wipe 
> > everyone
> > > out.
> > > So, I just thought, in my crazy little mind;
> > > That perhaps we should remind this little neopolian hitler 
iranian
> > > shit head;
> > > That the United States has all the nukes that he could ever 
> > imagine;
> > > And delivery systems that he could ever imagine;
> > > And to get the idea, out of his stupid head;
> > > That he will wipe anyone off the map;
> > > Or be a messianic figure to a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[Marek Reavis]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> OK, what about the hustling out with no provocation?  Civil rights 
> violation?  Any lawyers here?
> 
> Sal
> 
**

The campus is private property and campus officials can request a
person to leave their property whenever they deem that someone is
trespassing.  No shoes, no shirt, no service.  They can withdraw their
invitation at any time.  Not a civil rights violation; just a
trespassing issue.

If the person had paid money for certain privileges or services and
then they were denied those privileges or services without credit
(either in whole or prorated) then the person might sue for breach of
contract, but it seems that the course was free.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

[Sal Sunshine]

Well, wouldn't meditation that includes the repetition of the names of Hindu deities be considered Hindu as well?  Seems to me they'd be compatible.

Sal


On Jul 31, 2006, at 8:21 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
 of a specific religion?

Hindu related. You go to India to learn it. 

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[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 7/31/06 8:09 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
> > of a specific religion?
> > 
> Hindu related. You go to India to learn it. But other religions have
> similar things.

Be a little difficult to charge religious
discrimination in a lawsuit, then, I imagine.






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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger





on 7/31/06 8:09 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
of a specific religion?

Hindu related. You go to India to learn it. But other religions have similar things.

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[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "inthislifetime300" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sorry Judy,
> 
> David signature was not on the previous post.  It was at the bottom 
> of his website.

OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
of a specific religion?


> 
> \--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "inthislifetime300" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Well if anyone wants to contact David about a lawsuit, here is 
> his 
> > > contact info from his diksha website:
> > > 
> > > David Bousfield  attended the 21 day Process at Oneness 
> University 
> > in 
> > > October, 2005. He is now giving Deeksha in Fairfield with 
Nathan 
> > and 
> > > Marie. In addition, David gives phone deeksha and private 
deeksha 
> > > sessions in the privacy of your own home. Call David at
> > > 641-209-5793, or email him at bousfield@
> > > 
> > > David
> > 
> > David, do you consider deeksha to be an activity
> > of your religion?
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > For deeksha events around the world, see www.onenessmovement.org
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salvatore Sunshine brought up a good point:
> > > > 
> > > > MUM's exclusion of that Diksha fellow may in fact be a 
> violation 
> > of 
> > > > federal law: you cannot exclude someone from an activity 
based 
> > upon 
> > > > their religion..and since MUM is federally funded, this law 
> > applies 
> > > to 
> > > > them.
> > > > 
> > > > This is assuming, of course, that the Diksha fellow does his 
> > program 
> > > > regularly and that he does the Diksha OUTSIDE his program 
time.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lord Krishna Told Arjuna to Fight'

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > >
> > >  
> > > In a message dated 7/31/06 1:11:33 P.M. Central Daylight 
Time,  
> > > jflanegi@ writes:
> > > 
> > > I just  got done reading a condensed version of the 
Mahabharata 
> > which 
> > > >  contains a short version of all the stories from the full 
> > version. 
> > > >  What's striking about every story is how aggressive Krishna 
is 
> > in 
> > > >  demanding that that the five Pandava brothers including 
Arjuna 
> > kill 
> > > >  their relatives even though they all protested. Krishna 
never 
> > even 
> > > >  hinted at negotiations, reconciliations or truces. He 
insisted 
> > that 
> > > >  they be killed. Many of the stories describe Krishna 
killing, 
> > > >  beheading bad guys, demons, rakshasas. 
> > > > 
> > > The last remark I recall  that Maharishi made about the 
killing in 
> > the 
> > > BG is that it is all  internal, meant to be seen as an 
internal 
> > war vs 
> > > a literal one. It was  during the past year or so during a 
press  
> > > conference.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yet M used to say that the battle took place right where 
Noidia 
> > is, a  
> > > physical site.
> > >
> > The danger in misinterpreting the BG from a standpoint of non-
> > Realization is that it leads to self righteousness, vs Self-
> > Righteousness. There is a world of difference.
> >
> 
> All Hindu literature can be interpretted from the perspective of 
different states of 
> consciousness, slanted by different philosphical disciplines, 
according to MMY, according 
> to tradition. That's 4 relative states (waking, TC, CC and GC) x 6 
philosophical systems = 
> 24 possible interpretations that are totally "scriptural."
>
and all of them must answer the same question: where is Lord Krishna?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Obsession: What The War on Terror Is Really About ( m...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> >  
> > In a message dated 7/31/06 5:59:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > jstein@ writes:
> > 
> > If a man  has a gun and says he's going to shoot you and you have 
> > a gun
> > > >  wouldn't you shoot first?
> > > 
> > > It would depend entirely on whether  I thought
> > > he really meant it.
> > 
> > ...as well as whether I thought  the gun was loaded.
> > 
> > Fatal Rookie mistake.
> 
> You mean, shooting someone with an unloaded gun?

Lemme try that again:  You mean, shooting someone
who's threatening you with an unloaded gun?

Uh, shooting someone who has an unloaded gun and
is threatening you with it?






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[authfriend]

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>
>  
> In a message dated 7/31/06 5:59:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> If a man  has a gun and says he's going to shoot you and you have 
> a gun
> > >  wouldn't you shoot first?
> > 
> > It would depend entirely on whether  I thought
> > he really meant it.
> 
> ...as well as whether I thought  the gun was loaded.
> 
> Fatal Rookie mistake.

You mean, shooting someone with an unloaded gun?








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 7/31/06 6:02:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Rick, It seems there's got to be some 
 illegalities here.  If they told him in a letter or over the 
phone that he was accepted, and he shelled out the course fee, 
transportation, room and board, etc., wouldn't doing something like going to 
Small Claims Court be a possibility...to at least recoup something? And 
it is legal for someone to come in and forcefully hustle someone else out of 
a building, when they were no threat to anybody else?   My guess 
is they are betting on the usual TM spinelessness letting them get away with 
this, and that he'll prove them right. 
  He lives here, and I believe the course is 
  free. 

 Public humiliation? Geeez your honor, I was in a state of pure bliss 
and these two goons grabbed me and yanked me onto my feet and told me to get 
lost in front of all of these people that were my friends and treated my like a 
common criminal yada yada yada. I haven't been able to attain that state of 
bliss since!
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[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 7/31/06 5:59:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If a man 
  has a gun and says he's going to shoot you and you have a gun> > 
  wouldn't you shoot first?> > It would depend entirely on whether 
  I thought> he really meant itas well as whether I thought 
  the gun was loaded.

Fatal Rookie mistake.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Road Trip

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > on 7/31/06 11:57 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > , "Paul Mason" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I haven't been reading the posts about Israel or Iran, 
as 
> I 
> > log on
> > > > >> > to tune into MMY & Guru Dev related topics, but I did 
> visit 
> > Iran
> > > > >> > twice some years back and I just can't bring myself to 
> think 
> > in
> > > > >> > hostile terms about people who gave me both sustinence & 
> > hospital
> > > > >> > treatment to save my life.
> > > > >> > 
> > > > >> > Perhaps people are getting over identified and involved 
> with 
> > the
> > > > >> > news they hear about? Isn't that what so often happens 
> when 
> > people
> > > > >> > get overloaded by external stimulus?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Could be, but if you're referring to Barry's
> > > > > claim that some folks here have been advocating
> > > > > the use of nuclear weapons against Iran, that
> > > > > appears to have been one of Barry's many fantasies
> > > > > that have been making him so unhappy.
> > > > > 
> > > > Robert Gimbel advocated that in a recent thread.
> > > 
> > > Was that advocating or poetically speculating what appears to 
be 
> > inevitable? Can never tell with him.
> > 
> > He was pretty obviously speculating on several
> > different angles. 
> 
> No, he wasn't "obviously speculating".  He quite clearly meant it 
> (that is, if one isn't using Billie Bats logic).
> 
>  He's left three or four posts
> > that made it quite clear he wasn't *advocating*
> > (one is reproduced below).
> 
> He may have rescinded his remarks in a subsequent post but he was 
> clearly ADVOCATING in the original post(s).

I don't believe he rescinded anything.  He clarified
for the knee-jerkers.

> Here's the first unambiguous advocation of the dropping of hydrogen 
> bombs on millions of people:

Read this in light of his subsequent posts, please.
He's asking the same questions.

> Iran supports Hezbollah.
> Iran cannot be trusted.
> The leader of Iran is a replica of Adolf Hitler.
> His stated goal is to wipe out the United States and Israel.
> We have the power to stop him quickly and painlessly.
> We have ICBM's, and powerful Hydrogen Bombs, 
> Of 10-20 megaton capacity.
> We can vaporize Iran in short time.
> We invested enormous amounts of money;
> Developing these weapons;
> When else would they be used;
> If not in this current situation with the madness;
> Of Iran.
>  
> R.Gimbel  Seattle,WA.
>
>
> > Here's one of 'em:
> > 
> > I admit, that I was in a rather 'cold' mood when I wrote this last
> > night;
> > I was attempting to question the whole sanity of creating these
> > nuclear weapons;
> > Would you have everyone in the defense department, and everyone 
who
> > designs and manufacture these weapons: would you have them be
> > mentally checked out at their local psycho ward?
> > What do you think of this hardward we've produced over the years;
> > That these crazy Iranians, are just 'dieing' to get there little
> > hands on.
> > And what do you think they would do with the weapons;
> > Nuclear weapons; do you think they would make good on thier 
promise
> > to 'wipe Israel off the map?'
> > Do you think they would hesitate to wipe the United States off the
> > map, if they could.
> > Do you think Hitler and the Nazi's would have used an Atomic 
bomb, 
> on
> > the Allies, if they had designed it first.
> > You are right about the fact that Kadafi, decided to give up his
> > Messianic ambitions;
> > But, this dude in Iran, he now wants to be the dude to wipe 
> everyone
> > out.
> > So, I just thought, in my crazy little mind;
> > That perhaps we should remind this little neopolian hitler iranian
> > shit head;
> > That the United States has all the nukes that he could ever 
> imagine;
> > And delivery systems that he could ever imagine;
> > And to get the idea, out of his stupid head;
> > That he will wipe anyone off the map;
> > Or be a messianic figure to anyone.
> > Just my crazy opinion...
> >
>







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[inthislifetime300]

Sorry Judy,

David signature was not on the previous post.  It was at the bottom 
of his website.

\--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "inthislifetime300" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Well if anyone wants to contact David about a lawsuit, here is 
his 
> > contact info from his diksha website:
> > 
> > David Bousfield  attended the 21 day Process at Oneness 
University 
> in 
> > October, 2005. He is now giving Deeksha in Fairfield with Nathan 
> and 
> > Marie. In addition, David gives phone deeksha and private deeksha 
> > sessions in the privacy of your own home. Call David at
> > 641-209-5793, or email him at bousfield@
> > 
> > David
> 
> David, do you consider deeksha to be an activity
> of your religion?
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > For deeksha events around the world, see www.onenessmovement.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Salvatore Sunshine brought up a good point:
> > > 
> > > MUM's exclusion of that Diksha fellow may in fact be a 
violation 
> of 
> > > federal law: you cannot exclude someone from an activity based 
> upon 
> > > their religion..and since MUM is federally funded, this law 
> applies 
> > to 
> > > them.
> > > 
> > > This is assuming, of course, that the Diksha fellow does his 
> program 
> > > regularly and that he does the Diksha OUTSIDE his program time.
> > >
> >
>







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[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "inthislifetime300" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well if anyone wants to contact David about a lawsuit, here is his 
> contact info from his diksha website:
> 
> David Bousfield  attended the 21 day Process at Oneness University 
in 
> October, 2005. He is now giving Deeksha in Fairfield with Nathan 
and 
> Marie. In addition, David gives phone deeksha and private deeksha 
> sessions in the privacy of your own home. Call David at
> 641-209-5793, or email him at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> David

David, do you consider deeksha to be an activity
of your religion?


> 
> 
> For deeksha events around the world, see www.onenessmovement.org
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Salvatore Sunshine brought up a good point:
> > 
> > MUM's exclusion of that Diksha fellow may in fact be a violation 
of 
> > federal law: you cannot exclude someone from an activity based 
upon 
> > their religion..and since MUM is federally funded, this law 
applies 
> to 
> > them.
> > 
> > This is assuming, of course, that the Diksha fellow does his 
program 
> > regularly and that he does the Diksha OUTSIDE his program time.
> >
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

[inthislifetime300]

Well if anyone wants to contact David about a lawsuit, here is his 
contact info from his diksha website:

David Bousfield  attended the 21 day Process at Oneness University in 
October, 2005. He is now giving Deeksha in Fairfield with Nathan and 
Marie. In addition, David gives phone deeksha and private deeksha 
sessions in the privacy of your own home. Call David at
641-209-5793, or email him at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

David


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wrote:
>
> Salvatore Sunshine brought up a good point:
> 
> MUM's exclusion of that Diksha fellow may in fact be a violation of 
> federal law: you cannot exclude someone from an activity based upon 
> their religion..and since MUM is federally funded, this law applies 
to 
> them.
> 
> This is assuming, of course, that the Diksha fellow does his program 
> regularly and that he does the Diksha OUTSIDE his program time.
>






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lord Krishna Told Arjuna to Fight' (when to fight ba...

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In a message dated 7/31/06 5:16:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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All of 
  the soldiers, as well as the German people, were taken to view the 
  concentration camps, by General Eisenhower.I think my father never really 
  got over what he saw there.And I think he wondered, having fought tooth 
  and nail;To defeat the Nazi's;Why oh why, had these people not fought 
  back??>

As I recall the Allied Soldiers forced the German towns people to go see 
the concentration camps. Why they didn't fight back? They ask themselves that to 
this day and that is why the fight tooth and nail 
today.
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[FairfieldLife] Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

[shempmcgurk]

Salvatore Sunshine brought up a good point:

MUM's exclusion of that Diksha fellow may in fact be a violation of 
federal law: you cannot exclude someone from an activity based upon 
their religion..and since MUM is federally funded, this law applies to 
them.

This is assuming, of course, that the Diksha fellow does his program 
regularly and that he does the Diksha OUTSIDE his program time.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> OK, what about the hustling out with no provocation?  Civil rights 
> violation?  Any lawyers here?



Not a lawyer, but the TMO and its related organisations are private.

But, hey, you may have a point:

ISN'T MUM FEDERALLY FUNDED?  IF THEY ARE, THEY MAY INDEED BE IN 
VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW THAT PROHIBITS DISCRIMINATION BASED UPON 
RELIGION!!




> 
> Sal
> 
> 
> On Jul 31, 2006, at 5:58 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> > on 7/31/06 4:51 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Rick,
> >  It seems there's got to be some  illegalities here.  If they 
told him 
> > in a letter or over the phone that he was accepted, and he 
shelled out 
> > the course fee, transportation, room and board, etc., wouldn't 
doing 
> > something like going to Small Claims Court be a possibility...to 
at 
> > least recoup something? And it is legal for someone to come in 
and 
> > forcefully hustle someone else out of a building, when they were 
no 
> > threat to anybody else?   My guess is they are betting on the 
usual TM 
> > spinelessness letting them get away with this, and that he'll 
prove 
> > them right.
> >
> > He lives here, and I believe the course is free.  __
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > on 7/31/06 11:38 AM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:
> >  
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > on 7/31/06 6:30 AM, Peter at drpetersutphen@ wrote:
> > >> >  
> > >>> > > 
> > >>> > > David Bousfield! He was on Purusha when it first
> > >>> > > started. I'm amazed he became a diksha teacher.
> > >>> > > 
> > >> > A couple of Purusha guys have done so, and others are 
involved in
> > > it, but
> > >> > haven¹t become teachers.
> > >> >
> > > 
> > > Sorry, I may have asked this before but could someone please 
remind me
> > > what Diksha is?
> > > 
> > > Is it done DURING the TM program...or is it done OUTSIDE of 
the period
> > > of program?
> > > 
> > Outside. It¹s a sort of spiritual energy transfer by laying on 
of hands.
> >
> 
> Was the guy telling all his friends and customers that he was 
soaking up the good vibes in 
> order to make his own diksha stronger? 
> 
> There's plenty of plausible scenarios where the TMO would have a 
good reason to deny 
> him access. 



Boy, Spare Egg,  you could justify anything.


> 
> BTW, was the guy in the middle of meditation when the security 
guards asked him to leave 
> or was it before practice had started?
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Road Trip

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
wrote:
> > >
> > > on 7/31/06 11:57 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > , "Paul Mason" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I haven't been reading the posts about Israel or Iran, as 
I 
> log on
> > > >> > to tune into MMY & Guru Dev related topics, but I did 
visit 
> Iran
> > > >> > twice some years back and I just can't bring myself to 
think 
> in
> > > >> > hostile terms about people who gave me both sustinence & 
> hospital
> > > >> > treatment to save my life.
> > > >> > 
> > > >> > Perhaps people are getting over identified and involved 
with 
> the
> > > >> > news they hear about? Isn't that what so often happens 
when 
> people
> > > >> > get overloaded by external stimulus?
> > > > 
> > > > Could be, but if you're referring to Barry's
> > > > claim that some folks here have been advocating
> > > > the use of nuclear weapons against Iran, that
> > > > appears to have been one of Barry's many fantasies
> > > > that have been making him so unhappy.
> > > > 
> > > Robert Gimbel advocated that in a recent thread.
> > 
> > Was that advocating or poetically speculating what appears to be 
> inevitable? Can never tell with him.
> 
> He was pretty obviously speculating on several
> different angles. 



No, he wasn't "obviously speculating".  He quite clearly meant it 
(that is, if one isn't using Billie Bats logic).



 He's left three or four posts
> that made it quite clear he wasn't *advocating*
> (one is reproduced below).





He may have rescinded his remarks in a subsequent post but he was 
clearly ADVOCATING in the original post(s).  Here's the first 
unambiguous advocation of the dropping of hydrogen bombs on millions 
of people:

Iran supports Hezbollah.
Iran cannot be trusted.
The leader of Iran is a replica of Adolf Hitler.
His stated goal is to wipe out the United States and Israel.
We have the power to stop him quickly and painlessly.
We have ICBM's, and powerful Hydrogen Bombs, 
Of 10-20 megaton capacity.
We can vaporize Iran in short time.
We invested enormous amounts of money;
Developing these weapons;
When else would they be used;
If not in this current situation with the madness;
Of Iran.
 
 
R.Gimbel  Seattle,WA.






> 
> Yet Barry claimed he had been advocating, and
> several people, at least, believed Barry,
> apparently without actually reading the posts
> Barry was talking about.
> 
> Here's one of 'em:
> 
> I admit, that I was in a rather 'cold' mood when I wrote this last
> night;
> I was attempting to question the whole sanity of creating these
> nuclear weapons;
> Would you have everyone in the defense department, and everyone who
> designs and manufacture these weapons: would you have them be
> mentally checked out at their local psycho ward?
> What do you think of this hardward we've produced over the years;
> That these crazy Iranians, are just 'dieing' to get there little
> hands on.
> And what do you think they would do with the weapons;
> Nuclear weapons; do you think they would make good on thier promise
> to 'wipe Israel off the map?'
> Do you think they would hesitate to wipe the United States off the
> map, if they could.
> Do you think Hitler and the Nazi's would have used an Atomic bomb, 
on
> the Allies, if they had designed it first.
> You are right about the fact that Kadafi, decided to give up his
> Messianic ambitions;
> But, this dude in Iran, he now wants to be the dude to wipe 
everyone
> out.
> So, I just thought, in my crazy little mind;
> That perhaps we should remind this little neopolian hitler iranian
> shit head;
> That the United States has all the nukes that he could ever 
imagine;
> And delivery systems that he could ever imagine;
> And to get the idea, out of his stupid head;
> That he will wipe anyone off the map;
> Or be a messianic figure to anyone.
> Just my crazy opinion...
>







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[FairfieldLife] DIKSHA IN FAIRFIELD

[inthislifetime300]

http://www.onenessmovementia.org/Pages/DeekshaEvents.html

Deeksha is now being offered 3 times a week in Fairfield

Thursdays at 12:15 PM and 7:30 PM and Sundays at 4:15 PM

701 South 2nd Street ,   Fairfield, Southeast Iowa, USA

Newcomers please come 45 minutes early to view an intro video

Cost of Deeksha: Love donation. $5 suggested.

Understanding Love Donation: The cost for deeksha represents an 
energy exchange between us and the Universe. Whenever we ask for 
energy from the Universe, we give something of our own energy in 
exchange. The monetary donations make it possible for us to cover the 
expenses of making the deeksha available. However, giving money is 
only one way of creating an energy exchange. If money is a problem, 
it is possible to create an energy exchange in some other way. For 
instance, we could make lunch for a sick friend. Or we could 
volunteer at the hospital. But we must give of our own energy in some 
way when asking for energy from the Universe.

Ajmal and Sharina will be giving deeksha with us until the end of 
April. Five deeksha givers altogether.

Karuna, from Holland, will be in Fairfield giving deeksha 
beginning the end of April until the end of June, 2006. We all 
enjoyed her deeksha during her last visit.

 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
wrote:
> > >
> > > on 7/31/06 1:12 AM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha 
> > teacher David
> > > >> > Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the 
middle 
> > of
> > > > program,
> > > >> > two security guards ushered him out.
> > > >> >
> > > > 
> > > > Does he practise the TM Program regularly?
> > > > 
> > > Yes.
> > > > 
> > > > If "yes", you should share the "Hundreds of meditations" MP3 
> > audio in
> > > > the files section with him and have him play it for the 
muckety-
> > mucks.
> > > 
> > > Don¹t know about that. A song?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It's the audio from 1974 where Maharishi says one can do TM and 
> > practise hundreds of other meditations at the same time.
> > 
> > It's in our files section.
> > 
> > 
> 
> As Judy likes to say "non sequitor":




What's a non-sequitor, Spare Egg, is someone who doesn't practise TM 
regularly, continually playing the role of the TB cult member on 
this forum.




 this is a group TM-Sidhis thing sponsored by the TM 
> organization in order to get a target number of people that they 
are reasonably certain are 
> practicing the TM-Sidhis program AS TAUGHT.
> 
> One thing the TM-SIdhis administrator pointed out (or at least 
claimed) on my course is 
> that one is learning to think from a far more subtle level by 
doing the TM-Sidhis and that 
> practices that were innocuous for a TMer might actually be 
detrimental for a Sidha. By 
> extension, practices that don't affect TM detrimentally, might 
affect practice of the TM-
> Sidhis detrimentally, weakening the practice instead of 
strengthening it, which goes back 
> to the numbers game.
> 
> Of course, no-one can prove any of this, but the  course 
administrators are obviously 
> playing it safe as possible by denying access to people who 
practice certain techniques, 
> even outside of program.
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Someone called me last night to ask if Amma people were being 
> > kicked out and
> > > to complain about someone named Jeff Cohen, working in the 
course 
> > office,
> > > with a ³Nazi mentality.²
> > >
> >
>







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obsession: What The War on Terror Is Really About ( must see )

[Bhairitu]

sparaig wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>My guru once wrote Shrimaliji about some inaccuracies in his writings 
>>and he responded he just made the stuff up.   I noted that the web site 
>>never mentions any tradition.  I've always found it an interesting site 
>>though.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Shriti and smriti aside, isn't all this stuff made up originally?
>
You mean it wasn't cognized?  We think it evolved over a long period of 
time and that is why it coming from a tradition is important.  What 
worked stuck around and what didn't went away.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: authfriend and sparaig have destroyed

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "heshiepothead" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Fairfield Life with their endless blather and drivel
>


I thought Blather and Drivel were their two illegitimate offspring.

Twins, I think.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Road Trip

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I haven't been reading the posts about Israel or Iran, as I 
log on 
> > > to tune into MMY & Guru Dev related topics, but I did visit 
Iran 
> > > twice some years back and I just can't bring myself to think 
in 
> > > hostile terms about people who gave me both sustinence & 
hospital 
> > > treatment to save my life.
> > > 
> > > Perhaps people are getting over identified and involved with 
the 
> > > news they hear about? Isn't that what so often happens when 
people 
> > > get overloaded by external stimulus?
> > 
> > Could be, but if you're referring to Barry's
> > claim that some folks here have been advocating
> > the use of nuclear weapons against Iran, that
> > appears to have been one of Barry's many fantasies
> > that have been making him so unhappy.
> > 
> 
> I think that was a mis-reading of one of Robert's poems.
>

Uh, I don't think it was a mis-reading...unless, of course, you use 
Billie Bats logic:

Iran supports Hezbollah.
Iran cannot be trusted.
The leader of Iran is a replica of Adolf Hitler.
His stated goal is to wipe out the United States and Israel.
We have the power to stop him quickly and painlessly.
We have ICBM's, and powerful Hydrogen Bombs, 
Of 10-20 megaton capacity.
We can vaporize Iran in short time.
We invested enormous amounts of money;
Developing these weapons;
When else would they be used;
If not in this current situation with the madness;
Of Iran.
 
 
R.Gimbel  Seattle,WA.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Please do not mention my name for my purposes. U may post this 4 the group

[Sal Sunshine]

Rick, this is what I was thinking of, as far as compensation goes.

Sal

On Jul 31, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

 However 5 of the eight were 
 asked to leave once inside the meditation halls.  None put up any fuss & 
 none were compensated  for there travels

[FairfieldLife] Re: Please do not mention my name for my purposes. U may post this 4 the group

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From a friend:
> 
> The TMO has allowed by various errors 8 people into  DC  4 & or 
the two
> domes another 4 in there haste & error. All were previously told 
they could
> attend & even given badges but on subsequent orthodox checks & or 
re- checks
> removed for those environments. They were to be stopped from 
entering on
> next there next coming however before entry. However 5 of the 
eight were
> asked to leave once inside the meditation halls.  None put up any 
fuss &
> none were compensated  for there travels & none asked for such as I
> understand this. None were asked to re-- pay any food or board 
funds
> extended. One can not thus really be 100 % sure of admittance for 
the system
> of checks has wholes in it. Also, many but I have no numbers were 
NOT
> accepted strait out. They were for the most part told to do  
contact there
> center. etc. ... ...  The following is a verbatim email sent to 
those NOT
> accepted., other wise they are informed by fax or phone.
> 


> ( persons name)Thank you for your application to the 
Invincible America
> Course. We are unable to process your application for the course. 
We invite
> you to continue to enjoy your TM-Sidhi Program at  home as 
coherence rises
> in the United States. We would also suggest that you participate 
in group
> practice of the TM- Sidhi program at your local Enlightenment 
Center
> Department for the Development of Consciouness.
>


***

This is certainly consistent with the chronic stupidity observed in 
Capitol and National folks: sorry, we don't want you f*cking up our 
group, but please feel free to f*ck up your local group. What kind 
of nonsense is that, besides the fact that they can't even keep a 
simple list of people they don't want?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Obsession: What The War on Terror Is Really About ( must see )

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" 
 wrote:
> >
> >  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  
> > wrote:
> > > > > > larry.potter wrote:
> > > > > ? > 
> > > > > > > There will always be people that will be willing to 
close 
> > > their
> > > > > > > eyes, dismiss it a propaganda or as minor issue until 
it's 
> > > too 
> > > > > > > late.
> > > > > > > The video also clearly shows scary similarities 
between 
> > what 
> > > > is 
> > > > > > > happening now with Islam and what happened in the past 
> > with 
> > > > regard 
> > > > > > > to Nazi Germany.
> > > > > > > The fact is that radical Islam brain washing machine 
and 
> > > media 
> > > > is 
> > > > > > > working over time. Unfortunately Europe is also in a 
state 
> > of 
> > > > > > > denial at this point of time. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Only people who fear death are scared. That's what 
> > > > > > enlightenment gives us: freedom from fear.  There 
> > > > > > are smarter ways of dealing with the problem.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thank you for saying this. It's about time
> > > > > someone did.
> > > > > 
> > > > > These two guys -- Larry and Robert -- are
> > > > > AFRAID, that's all.
> > > > 
> > > > only a fool will not be afraid of Iran have nuke power.
> > > > 
> > > >  They're so afraid that
> > > > > they're willing to justify a preemptive
> > > > > nuclear strike
> > > > 
> > > > I never said that I'm willing to justify preemptive
> > > > nuclear strike. Don't put words i didn't say in my mouth.
> > > > is it the hour or just your memory ? :0
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > on an entire nation of people 
> > > > > just *because* they're afraid. And that makes
> > > > > them EXACTLY like the people they're afraid
> > > > > of.
> > > > >
> > > 
> > 
> > i'm not sure if you intended to ask me or Barry..
> > > If Hitler's Nazi's had developed an Atom bomb, do you think 
they 
> > > would have used it to win the war?
> > 
> > for sure, i don't think anyone doubts that the Nazi would have 
used 
> > it.
> > 
> > > If Iran attain a nuclear bomb, and the means to deliver it,
> > > Do you think they would use it, to win this war they've 
declared 
> > >on us?
> > 
> > if it walks like a duck, kwaks like a duck it is a duck.
> > Iran has the same insane ideology as the radical Islam and the 
> > later has proven that they have no value for life, not even their
> > own. So even the claim that Iran will not use it since Iran knows
> > that if they do other countries will destroy Iran will not hold 
> > water.
> > 
> 
> Iran may be more far radical in its Islam than Morocco, but 
they're not Al Qaeda either.



They may, in fact, be worse.

Didn't their leader say he wanted to annihilate Israel?



> 
> > only a meaningful change in the world consciousness, and i'm not
> > talking a minor change but rather a full global different level 
will 
> > be able to make a differences.
> > 
> > I think that watching the video:
> > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6162397493278181614&hl=en
> > 
> > helped with seeing all of it together and realizing that they are
> > not disconnected events but there is an evolving escalating 
pattern 
> > to all of this madness.
> > 
> > > >
> > >
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lord Krishna Told Arjuna to Fight' (when to fight back?)

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > >
> > >  
> > > In a message dated 7/31/06 1:11:33 P.M. Central Daylight 
Time,  
> > > jflanegi@ writes:
> > > 
> > > I just  got done reading a condensed version of the 
Mahabharata 
> > which 
> > > >  contains a short version of all the stories from the full 
> > version. 
> > > >  What's striking about every story is how aggressive Krishna 
is 
> > in 
> > > >  demanding that that the five Pandava brothers including 
Arjuna 
> > kill 
> > > >  their relatives even though they all protested. Krishna 
never 
> > even 
> > > >  hinted at negotiations, reconciliations or truces. He 
insisted 
> > that 
> > > >  they be killed. Many of the stories describe Krishna 
killing, 
> > > >  beheading bad guys, demons, rakshasas. 
> > > > 
> > > The last remark I recall  that Maharishi made about the 
killing 
> in 
> > the 
> > > BG is that it is all  internal, meant to be seen as an 
internal 
> war 
> > vs 
> > > a literal one. It was  during the past year or so during a 
press  
> > > conference.
> > > 
> > > Yet M used to say that the battle took place right where Noidia
> > > is, a physical site.
> > 
> > That's the history, the external battle.  The teaching
> > is the internal battle (that's how I understand it, at
> > any rate).
> 
> One thing that has been striking to me;
> Which has been stirred up, by this conversation;
> Is that, my father fought in WWII, mostly in the Czech Republic 
area.
> Anyway, he was over there for about 3-4 years, in the war;
> He carried a bazooka, or a rocket launcher, and won some medals.
> He is Jewish.
> I think at the end of the war, although he's never talked about it 
> much;
> All of the soldiers, as well as the German people, were taken to 
view 
> the concentration camps, by General Eisenhower.
> I think my father never really got over what he saw there.
> And I think he wondered, having fought tooth and nail;
> To defeat the Nazi's;
> Why oh why, had these people not fought back??
> >
>

Actually, those that had guns did fight back.

But gun control laws confiscated almost all of them before the war.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[Sal Sunshine]

OK, what about the hustling out with no provocation?  Civil rights violation?  Any lawyers here?

Sal


On Jul 31, 2006, at 5:58 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

on 7/31/06 4:51 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Rick, 
 It seems there's got to be some  illegalities here.  If they told him in a letter or over the phone that he was accepted, and he shelled out the course fee, transportation, room and board, etc., wouldn't doing something like going to Small Claims Court be a possibility...to at least recoup something? And it is legal for someone to come in and forcefully hustle someone else out of a building, when they were no threat to anybody else?   My guess is they are betting on the usual TM spinelessness letting them get away with this, and that he'll prove them right. 

He lives here, and I believe the course is free.  __

[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 7/30/06 11:58 PM, scienceofabundance at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > Rick: Do you  think that  this is because someone at MUM Admin 
saw
> > your message earlier, or someone non-MUM saw it and reported it 
to MUM?
> > 

> Could be. That sort of thing has happened before. But I didn¹t 
mention his
> name in the 1st message. There are many others in the dome right 
now who
> would be kicked out if the administrators knew about their 
activities and
> involvements.
>



But Rick's first message about the diksha teachers was some time 
ago, so if that posting had put Bousfield on National's brown list, 
he never would have gotten the required OK to attend the course 
(assuming that National people know how to spell and go by 
alphabetical order, not necessarily a guaranteed thing, as witness 
similar dim bulbs at the Transportation Safety Agency who keep 
innocent people off of airplanes). 

It's more likely that somebody recognized Bousfield and complained 
to the Geheime Statspolizei.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome What file?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> > It's in our files section.
> What file?
>

I apologise to one and all.  I mixed up, in my memory, the tape of 
the following transcript with the "we are satisfied" audio in the 
files section:


>From March 12, 1974, Belgium.

Questioner:

What do you think of other meditation techniques and is it possible 
to practice another meditation technique at the same time as 
transcendental meditation `specially if the other meditation 
technique is in connection with a religion?

Maharishi:

What we teach is something to be done 15, 20 minutes morning and 
evening.  Regarding other things? We have no opinion.  We leave a 
man to do what he wants to do.  We just teach Transcendental 
Meditation, give the knowledge of the pure creative intelligence.  
What he should do, what he should not do, he will decide in his own 
level of consciousness.  Nothing, neither we advice on religion, nor 
diets, nor anything, do's and don'ts we don't talk about.  Simply, 
innocently teach the practice, give the knowledge pertaining to the 
practice, satisfy all the doubt and questions regarding 
understanding and then leave the man to be with his tradition, with 
his culture, with his way of life, with everything that he wants to 
do.

Just 15 minutes morning and evening.  He can practice hundreds of 
meditations, we don't mind. As long as he does this 15-minutes, 20-
minutes morning and evening, he will enjoy, begin to enjoy 
everything that he will do, either meditation or no meditation or 
whatever. Whatever he will do in life, he will begin to enjoy more 
because everything will become more meaningful.  Just we concern 
ourselves with this practical aspect of this science.  Simple.  Very 
simple, very natural.

One of the strengths of the World Plan is this innocence of our 
Movement, we never go into any other area except Transcendental 
Meditation.  That's all








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[FairfieldLife] Re: authfriend and sparaig have destroyed

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "heshiepothead" 
 wrote:
> >
> > Fairfield Life with their endless blather and drivel
> 
> Dude! You finally get it!

Gee, Barry's been telling them that practically
since we got here: Our only purpose for being here
is to destroy a forum where people can criticize
TM/TMO/MMY/TMers.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Road Trip (& Nukes)

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Road Trip (& Nukes)





on 7/31/06 5:49 PM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We have these weapons, right?
What are they for?

Deterrent. Two boys stand in a pool of gasoline, holding matches, and one feels he is safer or more powerful because he has more matches.

“We have seen the enemy, and he is us.” - Churchy LaFemme, in Walt Kelly’s “Pogo.”

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Obsession: What The War on Terror Is Really About ( must see )

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 
>  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter"
> > >  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >I'm not entirely sure the leaders of Iran, those
> > > > >who would be in a position to use nuclear weapons
> > > > >if they had them, actually believe in the ideology
> > > > >they spout.
> > > 
> > > If a man has a gun and says he's going to shoot you and you have 
> a gun
> > > wouldn't you shoot first?
> > 
> > It would depend entirely on whether I thought
> > he really meant it.
> 
> ...as well as whether I thought the gun was loaded.
>

Not to mention: is it really a gun, or just a toy?









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Road Trip

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > on 7/31/06 11:57 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > , "Paul Mason" 
> > >  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > I haven't been reading the posts about Israel or Iran, as I 
log on
> > >> > to tune into MMY & Guru Dev related topics, but I did visit 
Iran
> > >> > twice some years back and I just can't bring myself to think 
in
> > >> > hostile terms about people who gave me both sustinence & 
hospital
> > >> > treatment to save my life.
> > >> > 
> > >> > Perhaps people are getting over identified and involved with 
the
> > >> > news they hear about? Isn't that what so often happens when 
people
> > >> > get overloaded by external stimulus?
> > > 
> > > Could be, but if you're referring to Barry's
> > > claim that some folks here have been advocating
> > > the use of nuclear weapons against Iran, that
> > > appears to have been one of Barry's many fantasies
> > > that have been making him so unhappy.
> > > 
> > Robert Gimbel advocated that in a recent thread.
> 
> Was that advocating or poetically speculating what appears to be 
inevitable? Can never tell with him.

He was pretty obviously speculating on several
different angles.  He's left three or four posts
that made it quite clear he wasn't *advocating*
(one is reproduced below).

Yet Barry claimed he had been advocating, and
several people, at least, believed Barry,
apparently without actually reading the posts
Barry was talking about.

Here's one of 'em:

I admit, that I was in a rather 'cold' mood when I wrote this last
night;
I was attempting to question the whole sanity of creating these
nuclear weapons;
Would you have everyone in the defense department, and everyone who
designs and manufacture these weapons: would you have them be
mentally checked out at their local psycho ward?
What do you think of this hardward we've produced over the years;
That these crazy Iranians, are just 'dieing' to get there little
hands on.
And what do you think they would do with the weapons;
Nuclear weapons; do you think they would make good on thier promise
to 'wipe Israel off the map?'
Do you think they would hesitate to wipe the United States off the
map, if they could.
Do you think Hitler and the Nazi's would have used an Atomic bomb, on
the Allies, if they had designed it first.
You are right about the fact that Kadafi, decided to give up his
Messianic ambitions;
But, this dude in Iran, he now wants to be the dude to wipe everyone
out.
So, I just thought, in my crazy little mind;
That perhaps we should remind this little neopolian hitler iranian
shit head;
That the United States has all the nukes that he could ever imagine;
And delivery systems that he could ever imagine;
And to get the idea, out of his stupid head;
That he will wipe anyone off the map;
Or be a messianic figure to anyone.
Just my crazy opinion...







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Diksha teacher ejected from the dome





on 7/31/06 4:51 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Rick, 
It seems there's got to be some  illegalities here.  If they told him in a letter or over the phone that he was accepted, and he shelled out the course fee, transportation, room and board, etc., wouldn't doing something like going to Small Claims Court be a possibility...to at least recoup something? And it is legal for someone to come in and forcefully hustle someone else out of a building, when they were no threat to anybody else?   My guess is they are betting on the usual TM spinelessness letting them get away with this, and that he'll prove them right. 

He lives here, and I believe the course is free.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: authfriend and sparaig have destroyed

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "heshiepothead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Fairfield Life with their endless blather and drivel
>


Dude! You finally get it!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Obsession: What The War on Terror Is Really About ( must see )

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 
 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter"
> >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > >I'm not entirely sure the leaders of Iran, those
> > > >who would be in a position to use nuclear weapons
> > > >if they had them, actually believe in the ideology
> > > >they spout.
> > 
> > If a man has a gun and says he's going to shoot you and you have 
a gun
> > wouldn't you shoot first?
> 
> It would depend entirely on whether I thought
> he really meant it.

...as well as whether I thought the gun was loaded.







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[FairfieldLife] authfriend and sparaig have destroyed

[heshiepothead]

Fairfield Life with their endless blather and drivel





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Rick,
> It seems there's got to be some  illegalities here.  If they told him 
> in a letter or over the phone that he was accepted, and he shelled out 
> the course fee, transportation, room and board, etc., wouldn't doing 
> something like going to Small Claims Court be a possibility...to at 
> least recoup something? And it is legal for someone to come in and 
> forcefully hustle someone else out of a building, when they were no 
> threat to anybody else?   My guess is they are betting on the usual TM 
> spinelessness letting them get away with this, and that he'll prove 
> them right.

Or, there's another side to the story that we haven't gotten.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lord Krishna Told Arjuna to Fight'

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/31/06 2:18:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> In a  message dated 7/31/06 1:11:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> >  jflanegi@ writes:
> > 
> > I just got done reading a condensed  version of the Mahabharata 
> which 
> > > contains a short version of  all the stories from the full 
> version. 
> > > What's striking about  every story is how aggressive Krishna is 
> in 
> > > demanding that  that the five Pandava brothers including Arjuna 
> kill 
> > > their  relatives even though they all protested. Krishna never 
> even 
> > >  hinted at negotiations, reconciliations or truces. He insisted 
> that  
> > > they be killed. Many of the stories describe Krishna killing,  
> > > beheading bad guys, demons, rakshasas. 
> > > 
> >  The last remark I recall that Maharishi made about the killing in 
> the  
> > BG is that it is all internal, meant to be seen as an internal war  
> vs 
> > a literal one. It was during the past year or so during a  press 
> > conference.
> > 
> > Yet M used to say that the battle  took place right where Noidia
> > is, a physical site.
> 
> That's the  history, the external battle. The teaching
> is the internal battle (that's  how I understand it, at
> any rate).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yes there were two battles going on. One externally and one  internally. But 
> How does one figuratively kill ones relatives and teachers when  told to do 
> so?
>


Kill dat buddha dude!








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Road Trip

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "heshiepothead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There is no way around it Judy; you constantly attack/bicker with
> people here in Fairfield Life. You do NOT see yourself as such, which
> is pretty much impossible to believe. That is self-delusion to an
> amazing degree. Sometimes you direct us here, at FFLife, to
> something/things that people have said that PROVES that they are not
> right about something. If that is not argumentative I don't know what
> is. It's a stream of constant criticism and rebuttals and invalidating
> comments and you seem to have a need to always be right. 
> 
> Heshie
> 

She IS an editor, after all... It's her dharma to nitpick.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual War Crimes: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This decision to remove Bousfield from meditating in
> the dome probably did not come from MMY. Deeksha has
> been deemed, by MMY, t o not interfere with any
> meditation practices. This is from a TM teacher living
> in the sidha village in Holland. Jacque, who resigned
> from his post as National Leader of Holland, has fully
> discussed this with MMY and encouraged a number of
> governors to take the deeksha training. Deeksha is not
> a spiritual practice. It is not something you do as
> much as it is something periodically done to you. 

But, didn't the head of Holland TM resign because he was getting into Diksha 
and didn't 
want to cause problems?

Besides, "diksha," like "meditation," could refer to many different practices. 
Is it possible 
that the diksha that MMY doesn't worry about is different than theone that the 
guy who 
was escorted out of the domes practices?

Also, many people may practice a technique personally, but is it possible that 
this guy 
does more than that in some way? He charges money. Does he promote taking 
Diksha 
from himself over participation in group practice int he domes, at least during 
non-
emergencies? Perhaps he schedules his diksha sessions during dome times, for 
instance.

Lots of possible issues here that no-one is exploring.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Road Trip (& Nukes)

[Robert Gimbel]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > on 7/31/06 11:57 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > , "Paul Mason" 
> > >  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > I haven't been reading the posts about Israel or Iran, as I 
log on
> > >> > to tune into MMY & Guru Dev related topics, but I did visit 
Iran
> > >> > twice some years back and I just can't bring myself to think 
in
> > >> > hostile terms about people who gave me both sustinence & 
hospital
> > >> > treatment to save my life.
> > >> > 
> > >> > Perhaps people are getting over identified and involved with 
the
> > >> > news they hear about? Isn't that what so often happens when 
people
> > >> > get overloaded by external stimulus?
> > > 
> > > Could be, but if you're referring to Barry's
> > > claim that some folks here have been advocating
> > > the use of nuclear weapons against Iran, that
> > > appears to have been one of Barry's many fantasies
> > > that have been making him so unhappy.
> > > 
> > Robert Gimbel advocated that in a recent thread.
> >
> 
> Was that advocating or poetically speculating what appears to be 
inevitable? Can never tell 
> with him.
>
Well, let me try to explain my questions on this matter of nuclear 
weapons.
As you know the United States has a stock pile of nukes.
I had a friend that told me that his father was high up in the 
military;
And that one summer, he spent working on a nuclear submarine, 
a 'Trident Submarine', stationed here in the Seattle area; where they 
are serviced.
Now, this submarine is real; we created it; it has the fire power of 
all the bombs of WWII all put together.
It has an area where the missle silos are, which the sailors call:
"Sherwood Forest".
It's all very strange to me.
Why did we create such a monterous weapon?
Why did we stockpile all these nukes?
What did we plan to do with them?
Do we have a 'real' 'evil' enemy in Iran.
Do they want to attain the same nuclear capability as we have;
Isn't that their dream?
Haven't they said, that they want to 'Wipe Israel off the map?'
Do you think they want to wipe us off the map, as well?
So, my question was:
When do we use these weapons? Are they just for show? When is an 
enemy dangerous enough to warrent going to war with them; when all 
else has failed; and going to war with them, with the weapons we have:
These nuclear weapons; thousands of them; created by both the 
democrats and republicans, both.
We have these weapons, right?
What are they for?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lord Krishna Told Arjuna to Fight'

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> >  
> > In a message dated 7/31/06 1:11:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > jflanegi@ writes:
> > 
> > I just  got done reading a condensed version of the Mahabharata 
> which 
> > >  contains a short version of all the stories from the full 
> version. 
> > >  What's striking about every story is how aggressive Krishna is 
> in 
> > >  demanding that that the five Pandava brothers including Arjuna 
> kill 
> > >  their relatives even though they all protested. Krishna never 
> even 
> > >  hinted at negotiations, reconciliations or truces. He insisted 
> that 
> > >  they be killed. Many of the stories describe Krishna killing, 
> > >  beheading bad guys, demons, rakshasas. 
> > > 
> > The last remark I recall  that Maharishi made about the killing in 
> the 
> > BG is that it is all  internal, meant to be seen as an internal 
> war vs 
> > a literal one. It was  during the past year or so during a press  
> > conference.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yet M used to say that the battle took place right where Noidia 
> is, a  
> > physical site.
> >
> The danger in misinterpreting the BG from a standpoint of non-
> Realization is that it leads to self righteousness, vs Self-
> Righteousness. There is a world of difference.
>

All Hindu literature can be interpretted from the perspective of different 
states of 
consciousness, slanted by different philosphical disciplines, according to MMY, 
according 
to tradition. That's 4 relative states (waking, TC, CC and GC) x 6 
philosophical systems = 
24 possible interpretations that are totally "scriptural."








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Road Trip

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"   
> > Barry--with substantial assistance from Vaj--
> > have really done a superb job of demonizing
> > the TMers here, haven't they?
> 
> On who's payroll are they anyway..
>

You're not channeling Peter Klutz are you?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Obsession: What The War on Terror Is Really About ( must see )

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My guru once wrote Shrimaliji about some inaccuracies in his writings 
> and he responded he just made the stuff up.   I noted that the web site 
> never mentions any tradition.  I've always found it an interesting site 
> though.
> 

Shriti and smriti aside, isn't all this stuff made up originally?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual War Crimes: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But I do understand how the TMO feels regarding people
> on other programs doing their "off-the program"
> programs in the dome. Its the TMO bat and ball, so to
> speak, and if they don't like what you're doing they
> don't have to let you play. They want everybody in a
> group program to be doing TM and the TM-sidhis program
> and that's all. I can't fault them for this. I guess
> the only problem would be trusting the person to only
> do their TM program. And obviously the TMO has
> problems trusting people to only do their TM program. 

Especially those who make a living doing another technique...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lord Krishna Told Arjuna to Fight'

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/31/06 1:11:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> I just  got done reading a condensed version of the Mahabharata which 
> >  contains a short version of all the stories from the full version. 
> >  What's striking about every story is how aggressive Krishna is in 
> >  demanding that that the five Pandava brothers including Arjuna kill 
> >  their relatives even though they all protested. Krishna never even 
> >  hinted at negotiations, reconciliations or truces. He insisted that 
> >  they be killed. Many of the stories describe Krishna killing, 
> >  beheading bad guys, demons, rakshasas. 
> > 
> The last remark I recall  that Maharishi made about the killing in the 
> BG is that it is all  internal, meant to be seen as an internal war vs 
> a literal one. It was  during the past year or so during a press  
> conference.
> 
> 
> 
> Yet M used to say that the battle took place right where Noidia is, a  
> physical site.
>

And Krishna was God Incarnate. If God can become man, to particiipatei in a 
battle of 
Ultimate Good vs Ultimate Evil, why can't Good and Evil incarnate as well?

Not trying to say that this is the case, but within the mindset that MMY 
espouses, it's  
consistent, IMHO.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lord Krishna Told Arjuna to Fight'

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie"  
> wrote:
> >
> > I just got done reading a condensed version of the Mahabharata which 
> > contains a short version of all the stories from the full version. 
> > What's striking about every story is how aggressive Krishna is in 
> > demanding that that the five Pandava brothers including Arjuna kill 
> > their relatives even though they all protested. Krishna never even 
> > hinted at negotiations, reconciliations or truces. He insisted that 
> > they be killed. Many of the stories describe Krishna killing, 
> > beheading bad guys, demons, rakshasas. 
> > 
> The last remark I recall that Maharishi made about the killing in the 
> BG is that it is all internal, meant to be seen as an internal war vs 
> a literal one. It was during the past year or so during a press 
> conference.
>

The Gita can be seen as allegory. The allegory of the Mahabharata may be too 
grand for us 
to grasp as easily, or it may have started out as simple history-turned-legend 
with the 
Gita tacked on later to give it a more spiritual interpretation.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Obsession: What The War on Terror Is Really About ( must see )

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter"
>  wrote:
> > 
> > >I'm not entirely sure the leaders of Iran, those
> > >who would be in a position to use nuclear weapons
> > >if they had them, actually believe in the ideology
> > >they spout.
> 
> If a man has a gun and says he's going to shoot you and you have a gun
> wouldn't you shoot first?

It would depend entirely on whether I thought
he really meant it.







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