[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Separating Fact Fro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: TorquiseB writes snipped: I think that what you're upset about is that Paul is asking the questions that YOU should have asked 'way back when, and never did. These questions should have been asked back in 1959, Tom T: The use of the SHOULD word (twice) smacks of I really know a fuck lot more than you do so listen up asshole. No...I understand your desire to pun a little, but the word doesn't mean that at all. It means, If the questions have relevance now, they probably had a great deal more relevance then, before every- one started assuming they knew the answers to them without ever having asked the questions. Lose the word Barry. As a friend once said I didn't know you liked to SHOULD on yourself in public. It ranks right up there with MUST. I usually inform people like you that MUSTERBATING in public does not really become you or show the depth of your intelligence. TOm There are countries in which punning is a capital crime, Tom. :-) But, as to the questions' relevance, let's postulate a situation. A person comes along who, over the course of some years, both in print and in person makes some extraordinary claims about the nature of consciousness. He says that certain siddhis (in which most of the world's population does not believe) are real, and that he has both experienced them and can teach others how to achieve them. He develops a huge following, to the point that his name becomes synonymous worldwide with the study of this sort of thing. Now, much later, after a little investigative work by a few people, it turns out that the person who wrote about all these magical events has somewhat of a history of...uh...lying. It turns out that he's *been* lying -- compulsively, habitually -- most of his life. He lied about his age, the country he came from, the language he was raised speaking and several other things when he first came to America. He lied and claimed that he was single, ignoring the wife and kid he'd left behind. He lied about his academic background back home on his applications to get into a good university here. He's *on tape* talking with his co-teachers about the need to lie to his students to keep them off-base and keep them on the hook. When this fellow finally died, of cancer, his co-teachers were planning to turn his entire death into another lie, and claim that he had walked into another dimension in the desert and just disappeared. A nosy reporter noticed the death certifi- cate and blew that plot before it could get started. Ok, you've probably guessed it...that's the story of Carlos Castaneda. Given the odd things he wrote about and the odder claims he made about his abilities, would the discovery that he had been lying since the day he arrived in the U.S. affect your belief in the things he wrote in his books? For some people, yes. For others, no...they still hang in there as Castaneda groupies and CC TBs. Go figure. But from my point of view it's a *good* thing that some- one did this research and found these things out. It allows me to approach Castaneda's writings (which I still like) with a bit more information in hand. I think that having the answers to the kinds of questions Paul posed would do the same for anyone wanting to assess Maharishi's life and teachings and accomplishments. A person whose commitment was to truth would not object to these types of questions being asked. A person whose commitment is to never allow the things they already believe and assume to be challenged would. End of story. By the way, Tom, speaking as someone who has actually met and worked with some real Yaqui shamans, I still *like* Carlos Castaneda. I think he wrote about some real phenomena in his first four books, and either documented or intuited some real phenomena. It's just that at a certain point, to preserve his fame and the myth he'd built up about himself, he felt compelled to start making things up and attributing them to a native tradition that had never heard of such things. Part of the enduring mystery of his life is the process of determining which are the real diamonds in his work and which are the hunks of glass. As I've said before, and will say again (even though those who are stuck in the demonization mindset will claim forever that I'm lying), I don't really CARE very much about Maharishi per se. What I'm interested in is the phenomenon of the *spiritual seeker*, and how such individuals relate to the path they have chosen, and how they interact with those who do not share that path with them. When they interact gracefully, that says a great deal (positively) about the nature of their path. When they interact with those who don't believe the things that
[FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: I have no strong opinion on Heaven or Hell. Perhaps those states of Bliss and Tamas excist, perhaps not. But if Hell excists I think this Paul Mason fellow is a strong candidate for a prolonged stay in one of those premises. I mean, spreading slander about an outstanding Saint for money ?? It's like a plea for a stay in an unpleasant place. IMO. To be subdued and treated by Tamas for a long period of time at least is a guarantee for not having to deal with this lowlife fellow in our next incarnation. *** Yeah, Mason is a jerk, but jerks/demons are part of creation, and in fact, creation COULD NOT EXIST without demons. Why? Because the jig would be up if life were too sattvic (transparent) -- it would be trying to play hide-and-so-seek with no trees to hide behind. So although the dull-witted and demonic level is dominant now, and will naturally be reduced in the natural course of time, there will always be some demonic activity, even in the Sat Yuga. From Vasistha's Yoga p. 201 http://tinyurl.com/6xndt : This seemingly unending world-appearance is sustained by impure (rajasa) and dull (tamasa) beings, even as a superstructure is sustained by pillars. But it is playfully and easily abandoned by those who are of a pure nature, even as the slough is effortlessly abandoned by a snake. Very interesting comment. You are absolutely correct. One should try to ignore/accept demonic forces represented by beings like Paul Mason as a part of nature. But it is not easy...
[FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: I have no strong opinion on Heaven or Hell. Perhaps those states of Bliss and Tamas excist, perhaps not. But if Hell excists I think this Paul Mason fellow is a strong candidate for a prolonged stay in one of those premises. I mean, spreading slander about an outstanding Saint for money ?? It's like a plea for a stay in an unpleasant place. IMO. To be subdued and treated by Tamas for a long period of time at least is a guarantee for not having to deal with this lowlife fellow in our next incarnation. *** Yeah, Mason is a jerk, but jerks/demons are part of creation, and in fact, creation COULD NOT EXIST without demons. Why? Because the jig would be up if life were too sattvic (transparent) -- it would be trying to play hide-and-so-seek with no trees to hide behind. So although the dull-witted and demonic level is dominant now, and will naturally be reduced in the natural course of time, there will always be some demonic activity, even in the Sat Yuga. From Vasistha's Yoga p. 201 http://tinyurl.com/6xndt : This seemingly unending world-appearance is sustained by impure (rajasa) and dull (tamasa) beings, even as a superstructure is sustained by pillars. But it is playfully and easily abandoned by those who are of a pure nature, even as the slough is effortlessly abandoned by a snake. Very interesting comment. You are absolutely correct. One should try to ignore/accept demonic forces represented by beings like Paul Mason as a part of nature. But it is not easy... Please reread the comments above in the light of what I just wrote to Tom T. The speakers are two long-time TMers who consider themselves On The Program and sane. They believe strongly in Maharishi and TM. And they have NO PROBLEM with going onto a public forum and calmly discussing their belief that Paul, who did nothing more than write a few things they don't like is a DEMON, and in league with demonic forces. THAT, not the simple, easily-learned technique of Transcendental Meditation, is unfortunately the legacy of Maharishi and the TM movement. What started (at least in the minds of the early TM teachers) as a noble, well-intentioned attempt to make the benefits of meditation available to as many people as possible at a reasonable cost has degenerated over the years into the proponents of Maharishi's teachings calmly declaring someone a DEMON because he doesn't agree with what they believe. THAT is a more than a little scary in my opinion. What's equally scary is the people who regularly react to those who write things that disagree with what they believe by attempting, seemingly ration- ally, to discredit the writer. These people are on a seemingly never-ending campaign to portray the more well-spoken critics of TM as 1) having hidden motives, 2) being untrustworthy, 3) lying when they express simple *opinion*, and other similar things. To me, both sets of people represent the same cult phenomenon, just to different degrees. And to be honest, the latter are more dangerous. They attempt to HIDE their systematic demonization. At least Bob, Nablusos, and Frank Lotz are honest about it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shortchanging 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But wait! There's more: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3074561005024763960hl=en :) Something in the voice and manner of speaking of that Hauer guy makes me think he's lying through his teeth. But that's of course just my opinion. authfriend wrote: Devastating indictment of the 9/11 government- conspiracy film Loose Change from, of all places, AlterNet: http://www.alternet.org/story/47986/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shortchanging 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nelson wrote: It looks like the biggest threat is from Washington and, those behind the scene that run it. So, Osama bin Laden murdered 3,000 innocent people and Saddam was responsible for the death of over a million, but the elected congressional leaders in Washington are YOUR enemy. Go figure. I love this cliche phrase found with so many people: x innocent people killed. People innocent of what? They were killed. Period. OBL did not kill 3,000 people. He was a link in a still publicly unknown command chain responsible for directing 12 highjackers to kill a couple of hundred people, mostly passengers. The remainder were killed by the guys who blew up the Twin Towers. Looking at what is known today, the ultimate source of OBL's order to attack can be located inside the US of A. Why and how this happened is what people like yourself really need to go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shortchanging 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] ++ It looks like the biggest threat is from Washington and, those behind the scene that run it. War is big business- it won't be going away any time soon. N. A few observations: (1) once an event reaches the conspiracy domain, it is quite difficult for laymen the ever know the 'truth,' except to say that in the vast and growing sea of allegations and 'facts' floating around in it, it is likely to be found. (2) The exception to 1 is if, for example, in the case with the Town Towers, you happen to be an experienced structural engineer, in which case you really can form your own opinion and know what is true and what is not. (3) Perhaps contrary to what many assume, the powers that be are not really worried about conspiracy theories or there proponents. Why? Because the end-result of conspiracies are an increased sense of insecurity, which governments live off. In fact, 'fear' is a response governments are more interested having than, for example, 'respect' or 'love.' (4) For the same reasons as 3, governments (guilty or not) may feel no need at all to put an end to conspiracy theories, but rather enjoys keeping these alive - and people in a perpetual state of psychological limbo. A way out of the rat wheel is for the indivudal to just step off it by internally making the decision that the 'government' in question does in no way represents them. It's a peaceful and passive form a resistance that governments can do nothing about, especially when people to do this en masse. Consider, for example, that one morning America woke up and had While people do this they should also realize that the manner in which governments today control and enslave people are through money. The moment people en masse realize that they have a cosmic birth right to 100% of their own money and starts being discreete to which organizations they choose to part with fractions of that money for the well being of their fellow men, 'governments' are toast. Seriously, who in their right mind would pay a 'war tax' for sending their children to kill or be killed in a foreign country? Or a 'security tax' to fund NSA's spying on them?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shortchanging 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip (3) Perhaps contrary to what many assume, the powers that be are not really worried about conspiracy theories or there proponents. Why? Because the end-result of conspiracies are an increased sense of insecurity, which governments live off. In fact, 'fear' is a response governments are more interested having than, for example, 'respect' or 'love.' (4) For the same reasons as 3, governments (guilty or not) may feel no need at all to put an end to conspiracy theories, but rather enjoys keeping these alive - and people in a perpetual state of psychological limbo. While I don't buy into everything Peter says here, I'd suggest that one reason a government that's *innocent* of the crimes and outrages detailed in a particular set of conspiracy theories not only feels no need to put an end to them, but may actually encourage them, is because it's guilty of a *different* set of crimes and outrages that it very much does not want to have discovered. If the conspiracy theorists are kept busy chasing red herrings, the real crimes and outrages are much more likely to remain concealed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What I Believe
In a message dated 2/19/2007 8:22:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There have been a great number of statements here on FFL about what I -- Barry Wright, TurquoiseB, Unc, whatever -- believe about TM, Maharishi, the TMO, and TMers as a group. There have been even more assumptions about these things, presumed on the part of my detractors, and declared as fact *because* they assume these things. For the record, here's what I really believe: 1. TM. I believe that the basic Transcendental Meditation technique is a simple, effective means of basic meditation that can be life-enhancing for most of the people who learn it. It DOESN'T MATTER to me whether it is a technique made up by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, or whether it is, as he claims, a rediscovery of more ancient techniques. It works, and I wish that it were still being taught, without the baggage that tends to accompany its teaching (see below), and for a reasonable price. 2. Maharishi. Basically, I just don't know. I can see all sides of the issue. He might be a well-meaning monk who has the best interest of the world (as he sees it) at heart, and who just fucks up a lot because he's human, and humans fuck up a lot. He might be a con man, in it for personal glory and ego-gratification and the money. He might be a combination of the two. I will never know the truth of the matter, and to me IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER. I always took him at his word and never considered him enlightened, and still do not. I have many pleasant memories of working with and for him. I am under no illusions about his perfection, having seen him lie through his teeth and do things that most people on the planet would consider wrong. At the same time, I have no reason to believe he has done any more of those wrong things than most of the *other* people on the planet. I am grateful for the things I learned from him that I consider positive, and even more grateful for the things I learned from him that I now consider negative, because that taught me to avoid the latter in the future. 3. The TMO. A dead parrot. Deceased, nailed to its perch, and bleedin' demised. A corpse that just hasn't gotten the email notification of its own death yet. An irrelevancy to life on planet Earth. A legend, but only in its own mind. Not terribly important, and not worth saying anything more about. 4. TMers As A Group. Hard to say, because there is so much confusion about what constitutes a TMer. Is it someone who once learned the TM technique, and may have stopped practicing it decades ago? Is it someone who practices the TM technique without fail, feels that they have benefitted from it, but who never was very involved with the TMO and is not today? Is a TMer more of a True Believer, someone whose whole life seems to revolve around TM and Maharishi and defending them against all critics? Or is a TMer someone who reacts to criticism of TM and its founder by calling the critics demonic and saying that they want to kill them? Well, TMers are all of the above, and more. They're individuals. *As* individuals, each has his own fine points and less fine points. As a group, in my opinion FAR TOO MANY of them display some qualities that I consider spiritual baggage, beliefs that they were fed by Maharishi and the TMO as an integral part of its dogma, and that in my opinion are detrimental to their mental and spiritual health. I wrote about them a few days ago, coincidentally just before a number of...uh...TMers set about DEMONSTRATING one or more of the points I wrote on this forum, in response to one person, Paul Mason, writing a few things of no real importance on a blog that nobody reads anyway. I won't repost them again here, because they're already online (FFL post #131487), but I do think that they're important to keep in mind when *some* TMers demonstrate them in the future. TMers are a mixed bag. The best of the ones represented on this forum personify in my opinion a strong and positive adver- tisement for the benefits of meditation and self discovery. The worst of them personify a strong example of cult thinking. As with so much in life, the game is about trying to figure out which is which. There you have it. Next time someone makes a declaration about what I believe, run it past this post to see whether what they are saying really seems to be what I believe, Ok? Dear Barry, I love the way you expressed yourself and feelings about the TMO, TM and MMY. You are solid about what you have been through and have clear opinions based on your experiences. I can relate to your feelings regarding the TMO and what you are saying. You are correct that we will never know the whole truth and nothing but the truth. In the name of protecting the purity of the teaching TM has been compromised to a great extent. This is why the ME has not come to fruition over the years. The
Re: [FairfieldLife] FF meets with Bevan
In a message dated 2/18/2007 5:08:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well,evidently some un-repentant non-re-certified badge-less Fairfield meditators were not invited. However, here's what they miss: FW: We are happy to pass along this message from M.U.M. Jai Guru Dev. 8000 NOW Dr. Bevan Morris is now here in Maharishi Vedic City and would like to meet with everyone on the Invincible America Assembly - all the Yogic Flyers in the Golden Domes. Time: Sunday, February 18, 1:30 p.m. Place: Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome Please bring your valid Golden Dome badge. Jai Guru Dev Would he come off campus and talk with yogic flyers not on the course? A focus group of interested FF meditators? That would be the day when Bevin cares at all about how human beings feel. He is so rapped up in his own agenda which he feels is in complete alignment with MMY. To me, this is the person who has destroyed any hope for the ME. He is the one who has set up the guidelines at the Department for the Development of cons. MMY did not set them up. MMY would like all Sidha's who can participate in American Invincibility to participate. I asked Saint Anthony (7th dimensional master) about this. He said the guidelines have been set up by the movement and its leaders. MMY did not say you could not practice astrology, yoga or visit other saints, etc and would not be allowed to fly in the dome because of these reasons As long as Bevin remains closed minded and is a prominent figure within the organization we have no hope for the ME in America. We are going to need at least 10,000 people in Fairfield, Iowa. They disappointed so many people in America that they have to fly pundits in to compensate for the way they treat people. They have a belief that as long as they can attrack wealthy people to finance the movement to keep it alive then everything is fine and no changes need to be made. Bevin has no desire to meet with anyone that does not follow his guidelines. I guess we know who we can blame about the increased world violence. I'll give you a hint-it's not Bush or Bin Ladin. Love and Light. Lsoma.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shortchanging 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: snip (3) Perhaps contrary to what many assume, the powers that be are not really worried about conspiracy theories or there proponents. Why? Because the end-result of conspiracies are an increased sense of insecurity, which governments live off. In fact, 'fear' is a response governments are more interested having than, for example, 'respect' or 'love.' (4) For the same reasons as 3, governments (guilty or not) may feel no need at all to put an end to conspiracy theories, but rather enjoys keeping these alive - and people in a perpetual state of psychological limbo. While I don't buy into everything Peter says here, I'd suggest that one reason a government that's *innocent* of the crimes and outrages detailed in a particular set of conspiracy theories not only feels no need to put an end to them, but may actually encourage them, is because it's guilty of a *different* set of crimes and outrages that it very much does not want to have discovered. If the conspiracy theorists are kept busy chasing red herrings, the real crimes and outrages are much more likely to remain concealed. While there are many in government who are dedicated public servants wishing the best for the countries they represent, it will be a brighter day when governments no longer feel the need to engage in deception of any kind. Let's keep draining that swamp!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Separating Fact Fro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip A person whose commitment was to truth would not object to these types of questions being asked. A person whose commitment is to never allow the things they already believe and assume to be challenged would. End of story. For the record, I have no objection whatsoever to these types of questions being asked, although I don't think the real answers are particularly important. My objections to Paul's QA are quite different. Among other things, some of his questions are bogus. He has tried to create the impression that the questioner is a wide-eyed innocent who has been taken in by MMY's and the TMO's lies. Yet several of the things the purported innocent asks about are not anything MMY or the TMO have ever claimed. For instance: Q. But it was his master, Guru Dev, who gave him the name 'Maharishi'? I have never heard this claimed in the TM context. Those who ask where MMY got the Maharishi title, in my experience, are told that he acquired it after he began teaching because those who heard his teaching recognized him as a Great Sage or Great Seer. Here's Paul's answer: A. Actually, Mahesh just adopted the title about two and a half years after the death of his master. Not only does Paul not address the standard response to the legitimate question, as I outlined it above, he actually *doesn't know* whether the standard answer is fact or fiction. He doesn't know whether MMY decided to call himself Maharishi on his own hook to inflate his importance, or whether he simply accepted what others had begun calling him because they were so impressed by his teaching. Paul doesn't actually *lie* in saying MMY adopted the title, but he he doesn't know on what basis MMY adopted it, and he clearly wants to give the impression that MMY bestowed it on himself. That's deliberately misleading, and the bogus question he uses to elicit his response is designed to allow him to suggest that the title is undeserved without actually addressing that issue. Next question: Q. And the surname 'Yogi', is that his family name? Obviously, this is a straw man in the context Paul has established for the questions. That Yogi is MMY's family name is not a fiction that has been perpetrated by MMY or the TMO. Just as with the preceding question, Paul has crafted it purely as a vehicle for his response, to cast doubt on MMY's legitimacy as a yogi: A. No. It happens that Indian holy men tend to have three-word names. The first is the title, usually 'Swami', the second is the name given by the guru, such as 'Sivanand', 'Brahmanand' or 'Vishnunand', and the third denotes the grouping of monks, such as 'Saraswati', 'Giri' etc etc. But in Mahesh's case, 'Maharishi' and 'Yogi' seem to be added just for good effect. Again, Paul doesn't *know* how or why Yogi was added. Nor does he explain what Yogi means, nor does he address the issue of whether it's appropriate; he simply uses the bogus question to suggest that it is not. So the way Paul has crafted these two questions is designed to make it possible for him to skirt the *legitimate* questions--how MMY got his name and whether it's valid (*is* he a Great Seer? *is* he a yogi?)--while at the same time implicitly casting doubt on MMY's authenticity. That's a propagandist's technique, not a genuine attempt to separate fact from fiction. *In fact*, there is precious little actual fact in Paul's responses to the various questions: seem to be added, not a single shred of evidence, it is likely that, seems to have become, it has not been established that, some say. The only facts we really learn from the phrases above in Paul's responses are that Paul cannot give definitive answers to the questions he himself poses. There are other problems with the questions and answers as well, but the fundamental problem is the deliberately misleading title of Paul's post, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: Separating Fact from Fiction. And bear in mind that Paul has been introduced on Knapp's blog as an authority on MMY. The reader is led to assume that he or she has learned important facts that discredit MMY when close analysis reveals that is not at all the case. And *that's* why I object to Paul's QA: not, as Barry claims, because I don't want the questions being asked in the first place or that I don't want my beliefs to be challeged, but because the way they're asked and answered is not straightforward; it is designed to mislead.
[FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: I have no strong opinion on Heaven or Hell. Perhaps those states of Bliss and Tamas excist, perhaps not. But if Hell excists I think this Paul Mason fellow is a strong candidate for a prolonged stay in one of those premises. I mean, spreading slander about an outstanding Saint for money ?? It's like a plea for a stay in an unpleasant place. IMO. To be subdued and treated by Tamas for a long period of time at least is a guarantee for not having to deal with this lowlife fellow in our next incarnation. *** Yeah, Mason is a jerk, but jerks/demons are part of creation, and in fact, creation COULD NOT EXIST without demons. Why? Because the jig would be up if life were too sattvic (transparent) -- it would be trying to play hide-and-so-seek with no trees to hide behind. So although the dull-witted and demonic level is dominant now, and will naturally be reduced in the natural course of time, there will always be some demonic activity, even in the Sat Yuga. From Vasistha's Yoga p. 201 http://tinyurl.com/6xndt : This seemingly unending world-appearance is sustained by impure (rajasa) and dull (tamasa) beings, even as a superstructure is sustained by pillars. But it is playfully and easily abandoned by those who are of a pure nature, even as the slough is effortlessly abandoned by a snake. Very interesting comment. You are absolutely correct. One should try to ignore/accept demonic forces represented by beings like Paul Mason as a part of nature. But it is not easy... Please reread the comments above in the light of what I just wrote to Tom T. The speakers are two long-time TMers who consider themselves On The Program and sane. They believe strongly in Maharishi and TM. And they have NO PROBLEM with going onto a public forum and calmly discussing their belief that Paul, who did nothing more than write a few things they don't like is a DEMON, and in league with demonic forces. It looks to me as though Barry is taking the demon terms just a wee bit too literally. THAT, not the simple, easily-learned technique of Transcendental Meditation, is unfortunately the legacy of Maharishi and the TM movement. Well, no, it isn't. At most, it's a sub-sub- legacy adopted by a few people in using terms Barry is taking more literally than they're meant for the purpose of demonizing these few people. snip What's equally scary is the people who regularly react to those who write things that disagree with what they believe by attempting, seemingly ration- ally, to discredit the writer. These people are on a seemingly never-ending campaign to portray the more well-spoken critics of TM as 1) having hidden motives, 2) being untrustworthy, 3) lying when they express simple *opinion*, and other similar things. To me, both sets of people represent the same cult phenomenon, just to different degrees. Barry operates under the assumption that TM critics' challenges are always legitimate, that they have no hidden motives, and that they are completely trustworthy. Of course, Barry has no problem whatsoever with TM critics attempting to discredit TMers here by suggesting that their responses to challenges are always illegitimate, that they have hidden motives, and that they are untrustworthy, as he just did above. Nor, of course, does he have any trouble with TM critics who attempt to discredit MMY and the TMO; he just got done defending Paul Mason for doing precisely that. Them's Barry's Rules, folks. And by the way, no TMer here, as far as I've seen, has ever accused a critic of lying when they expressed simple opinion.
RE: [FairfieldLife] What I Believe
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:40 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] What I Believe Dear Barry, I love the way you expressed yourself and feelings about the TMO, TM and MMY. You are solid about what you have been through and have clear opinions based on your experiences. I can relate to your feelings regarding the TMO and what you are saying. You are correct that we will never know the whole truth and nothing but the truth. In the name of protecting the purity of the teaching TM has been compromised to a great extent. This is why the ME has not come to fruition over the years. The fundamentalist who run his organization have ruined MMY plan. MMY knows this and the latest viewings of him from Holland show a man who is ready to leave the show. He is not happy with his leaders and when he looks out the windows of his supreme castle the world is at war. All of the money spent on scientific resarch and all of the time he spent trying to organize his message has fallen into the hands of people who are hungry for power. They are in for a great disappointment come July or August of 2007. All of those peace palaces. Who will fill them up? Lsoma. Your mistake here, Lou is in not realizing or admitting that MMY made the movement what it is. He micromanaged it with an iron hand. He chose and trained the people around him, and sent away those he didn't want. He came up with most of the ideas and initiatives, made or was consulted on all of the important decisions.. Love it or hate it, the TM movement is an extension of MMY's personality. He has said so himself. He wanted it that way. You're trying to preserve your feelings for MMY by blaming others for what you don't like. Get real. Be truthful. What you see is what he created.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Separating Fact Fro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] By the way, Tom, speaking as someone who has actually met and worked with some real Yaqui shamans, I'd love to know how you ended up working with these REAL guys, since even people like Big Jim Griffith take decades of work to be accepted by them, especially after they were burned so nicely by Castaneda. http://parentseyes.arizona.edu/msw/jsg_msw.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Separating Fact Fro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] By the way, Tom, speaking as someone who has actually met and worked with some real Yaqui shamans, I'd love to know how you ended up working with these REAL guys, since even people like Big Jim Griffith take decades of work to be accepted by them, especially after they were burned so nicely by Castaneda. Just being in the right place at the right time, in the company of the right person to make an introduction. In other words, sheer luck. But who the heck is Big Jim Griffith?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shortchanging 9/11
In a message dated 2/18/07 1:05:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any meditating structural engineers out there who can offer a view on the probability of the twin towers collapsing in the freefall hollywodesquelly neat way they did simply by crashing two airplanes into them? I'm not a structural engineer but on 60 minutes they did a program , I believe before 911, stating how dangerous high rise buildings could be because of the collapsing pancake effect like we saw in the twin towers. It was a structural problem that had to be overcome to prevent such a collapse under *normal* conditions. They showed video of high rise building being built that collapsed without anything such as an explosion or aircraft hitting them. Now add an aircraft hitting a building at several hundred miles per hour, intense heat that softens the steel structure and rivets that hold it together and the impact of one floor falling on top of another and there you have it. OBL is an engineer and new of this problem with high rise buildings.
[FairfieldLife] To suggest TM is not a Religion is ridiculous ignorance on your part!
Not only is TM a part of the eternal Religion of the Vedas (Sanatana Dharma) but is only, I repeat, only ONE limb (dhyana) of Patanjali's *eight* limbs of Yoga. The fact that TM is *marketed* as not being a Religion is one thing, (MMY said you can teach TM in whatever form you wish), but to deny it is Religious is ridiculous! Religion=to bind back (to God/Self). TM as a simple mental technique is MMY's effort to reach out to ignorant humanity and let them *begin* to experience the simplest form of their own awareness. When ALL eight limbs of Patanjali's Yoga are practiced *simultaneously* one can be said to be truly practicing Yoga in earnest. (MMY's Gita page 363 HB) Unless you want to hobble along on one wheel..you'll still get there, it'll just take longer!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shortchanging 9/11
In a message dated 2/18/07 2:22:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This needs an engineer? I would think the average person, after seeing the third building go down in the same manner even tho not being hit by a plane, would observe that the planes had nothing to do with it. N. It has happened while buildings were under construction, fortunately not occupied. 60 minutes did a story on it years ago and it didn't take an explosion or a plane hitting them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shortchanging 9/11
In a message dated 2/18/07 5:50:04 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No. I just assumed that any sound engineer that is not a meditator wouldn't go near a list like FFL. Only nuts post on FFL anyway... Or people looking for a few good laughs.
[FairfieldLife] What I Believe
TorquiseB writes snipped: There you have it. Next time someone makes a declaration about what I believe, run it past this post to see whether what they are saying really seems to be what I believe, Ok? TomT: Barry very well said and I will not argue your right to say it and you do it well. I may not agree on all of it but will defend your right to say it especially here. As Rick Archer pointed out this organization has become just what MMY wanted it to be nothing more or less. Using that S word is in Byron Katies words arguing with what is. You are only going to lose 100% of the time. To quote her How do I know that everything that happened was perfect? Because that is the way it went down! Thanks for your attempt to convert the crowd to just allowing what is to be and figure out what works for you. The only person in this whole equation that you have any control of is YOU and Barry knows that. I am talking to the rest of this group. Tom
[FairfieldLife] Life in Fairfield is all bliss
Police and Sheriff Reports 2/19/07 From the weekend police log: Yuriy Chernenko, 29, of Fairfield reported theft in the fifth degree at the MUM building 140, room 322. Sergiy Gudoshyn reported serious assault at MUM building 143, room 208. The incident is under investigation, and warrants were requested for Yuriy Chernenko, 29, of Fairfield.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Life in Fairfield is all bliss
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:27 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Life in Fairfield is all bliss Police and Sheriff Reports 2/19/07 From the weekend police log: Yuriy Chernenko, 29, of Fairfield reported theft in the fifth degree at the MUM building 140, room 322. Sergiy Gudoshyn reported serious assault at MUM building 143, room 208. The incident is under investigation, and warrants were requested for Yuriy Chernenko, 29, of Fairfield. The Russians are restless. Vodka withdrawal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Police and Sheriff Reports 2/19/07 From the weekend police log: Yuriy Chernenko, 29, of Fairfield reported theft in the fifth degree at the MUM building 140, room 322. Sergiy Gudoshyn reported serious assault at MUM building 143, room 208. The incident is under investigation, and warrants were requested for Yuriy Chernenko, 29, of Fairfield. Just goes to show that most TM'ers don't transcend to savikalpa samadhi, that takes time! My guess is that most don't even get to the first stage of withdrawal which is the 'muladhara chakra'! Doesn't mean TM doesn't work just that it's purported 'immeditate' benefits are exaggerated, such as transcending to pure TC...GMAB!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: Doesn't mean TM doesn't work just that it's purported 'immeditate' benefits are exaggerated, such as transcending to pure TC And what does that stand for...toilet consciousness? Teddy consciousness? Sal
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr. Magoo Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Police and Sheriff Reports 2/19/07 From the weekend police log: Yuriy Chernenko, 29, of Fairfield reported theft in the fifth degree at the MUM building 140, room 322. Sergiy Gudoshyn reported serious assault at MUM building 143, room 208. The incident is under investigation, and warrants were requested for Yuriy Chernenko, 29, of Fairfield. Just goes to show that most TM'ers don't transcend to savikalpa samadhi, that takes time! My guess is that most don't even get to the first stage of withdrawal which is the 'muladhara chakra'! Doesn't mean TM doesn't work just that it's purported 'immeditate' benefits are exaggerated, such as transcending to pure TC...GMA Is this indicated by the theft, the violence, or both? Would other forms of wrong action indicate the level of Samadhi to which one had transcended or failed to transcend?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There have been a great number of statements here on FFL about what I -- Barry Wright, TurquoiseB, Unc, whatever -- believe about TM, Maharishi, the TMO, and TMers as a group. There have been even more assumptions about these things, presumed on the part of my detractors, and declared as fact *because* they assume these things. Of course, Barry *never* makes any such assumptions about others. Nosireebob, perish the thought: I think that what you're upset about is that Paul is asking the questions that YOU should have asked 'way back when, and never did I think you're angry at YOURSELF for never questioning the stories you bought about Maharishi's background, and the nature of his relationship with Guru Dev, and whether Guru Dev would ever have approved of what Maharishi has done in his name. Both responses were intended to demonize Paul for writing what he wrote, and for having an opinion that you don't like. Their own insecurities about their beliefs and their need to dominate and control those who challenge those beliefs is what set them off. It's a ballsy film, and I suspect history will treat it far better than the petty, judgmental assholes who trashed it -- often without seeing it -- just because they were being judgmental about its director's inability to handle alcohol. I think what you're afraid of is not that the 'recert' process didn't 'weed him out' because his thinking was Off The Program, but that it kept him around because it wasn't. The dogma of the TMO is presented as *fact*, and after decades of hearing its postulations presented as fact, many adherents come to believe that they *are* fact, and can no longer even *conceive* of any other way of looking at the situation. And the worse things get with the TMO, the angrier they'll get, and the more that anger will fester, until something snaps, and they finally *can* admit who they're really angry at -- *themselves*, for being so gullible and so insufferably stupid, and for so long. And the funny thing is, that moment brings release. Resisting it is what keeps them so angry. The 'dark night of the soul' is not about having doubts; it's about resisting the doubts and considering them bad, and about considering themselves bad for having the doubts. ...The tendency to think in terms of 'better' and 'best' (with regard to spiritual techniques and spiritual teachers and spirtual traditions) is *built into* the TMO system, so much so that its validity and appropriateness is never questioned. I'm suggesting that its validity and appropriateness *should* be questioned, and that many TMers are so brainwashed that they are incapable of doing so. How many of you spend 144 minutes a day or less outside your home? These people think that's how 'most' people live their lives. [Nobody thinks that, or said that.--JS] Probably because that's how they live theirs, stuck inside, afraid to leave...and now even afraid of the 'sanctuaries' they're hiding in. They project onto [Guru Dev] all of their fantasies of enlightenment, and what that word means or doesn't mean to them. And it was the same thing with Maharishi. He arrived on our shores as this exotic little dark- haired monk in white robes, and everyone swooned and just assumed that everything he said was the Truth, with a capital T. These are all from just this past week, and not all the examples by any means, only those that were relatively self-contained. snip There you have it. Next time someone makes a declaration about what I believe, run it past this post to see whether what they are saying really seems to be what I believe, Ok? There is a spiritual principle you have never gotten, Barry. It goes, Listen to what people say, but watch what they DO. snip There you have it. Next time someone makes a declaration about what I believe, run it past this post to see whether what they are saying really seems to be what I believe, Ok? However, bear this in mind as well: [My beliefs] are just what this particular self chooses to believe at a particular moment in time. They may change tomorrow, or sooner. They have done so so many times that I'm no longer particularly attached to the beliefs. They're just things that come and go, like leaves blowing by on the winds of autumn.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
On Feb 19, 2007, at 1:02 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: Just goes to show that most TM'ers don't transcend to savikalpa samadhi, that takes time! My guess is that most don't even get to the first stage of withdrawal which is the 'muladhara chakra'! Doesn't mean TM doesn't work just that it's purported 'immeditate' benefits are exaggerated, such as transcending to pure TC...GMAB! Yes, that's true. Most people get to the gap between thoughts and think it's PC...primarily because they've been conditioned to believe that by others.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: Doesn't mean TM doesn't work just that it's purported 'immeditate' benefits are exaggerated, such as transcending to pure TC And what does that stand for...toilet consciousness? Teddy consciousness? Sal Ahhh that means, for you, toilet consciousness!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this indicated by the theft, the violence, or both? Would other forms of wrong action indicate the level of Samadhi to which one had transcended or failed to transcend? So, you mean, you don't realize that Saints and those of high consciousness don't steal? but are naturally good? The by-product of God contact is goodness, is it not?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: There have been a great number of statements here on FFL about what I -- Barry Wright, TurquoiseB, Unc, whatever -- believe about TM, Maharishi, the TMO, and TMers as a group. There have been even more assumptions about these things, presumed on the part of my detractors, and declared as fact *because* they assume these things. Of course, Barry *never* makes any such assumptions about others. Nosireebob, perish the thought: I think that what you're upset about is that Paul is asking the questions that YOU should have asked 'way back when, and never did I think you're angry at YOURSELF for never questioning the stories you bought about Maharishi's background, and the nature of his relationship with Guru Dev, and whether Guru Dev would ever have approved of what Maharishi has done in his name. Both responses were intended to demonize Paul for writing what he wrote, and for having an opinion that you don't like. Their own insecurities about their beliefs and their need to dominate and control those who challenge those beliefs is what set them off. It's a ballsy film, and I suspect history will treat it far better than the petty, judgmental assholes who trashed it -- often without seeing it -- just because they were being judgmental about its director's inability to handle alcohol. I think what you're afraid of is not that the 'recert' process didn't 'weed him out' because his thinking was Off The Program, but that it kept him around because it wasn't. The dogma of the TMO is presented as *fact*, and after decades of hearing its postulations presented as fact, many adherents come to believe that they *are* fact, and can no longer even *conceive* of any other way of looking at the situation. And the worse things get with the TMO, the angrier they'll get, and the more that anger will fester, until something snaps, and they finally *can* admit who they're really angry at -- *themselves*, for being so gullible and so insufferably stupid, and for so long. And the funny thing is, that moment brings release. Resisting it is what keeps them so angry. The 'dark night of the soul' is not about having doubts; it's about resisting the doubts and considering them bad, and about considering themselves bad for having the doubts. ...The tendency to think in terms of 'better' and 'best' (with regard to spiritual techniques and spiritual teachers and spirtual traditions) is *built into* the TMO system, so much so that its validity and appropriateness is never questioned. I'm suggesting that its validity and appropriateness *should* be questioned, and that many TMers are so brainwashed that they are incapable of doing so. How many of you spend 144 minutes a day or less outside your home? These people think that's how 'most' people live their lives. [Nobody thinks that, or said that.--JS] Probably because that's how they live theirs, stuck inside, afraid to leave...and now even afraid of the 'sanctuaries' they're hiding in. They project onto [Guru Dev] all of their fantasies of enlightenment, and what that word means or doesn't mean to them. And it was the same thing with Maharishi. He arrived on our shores as this exotic little dark- haired monk in white robes, and everyone swooned and just assumed that everything he said was the Truth, with a capital T. These are all from just this past week, and not all the examples by any means, only those that were relatively self-contained. snip There you have it. Next time someone makes a declaration about what I believe, run it past this post to see whether what they are saying really seems to be what I believe, Ok? There is a spiritual principle you have never gotten, Barry. It goes, Listen to what people say, but watch what they DO. snip There you have it. Next time someone makes a declaration about what I believe, run it past this post to see whether what they are saying really seems to be what I believe, Ok? However, bear this in mind as well: [My beliefs] are just what this particular self chooses to believe at a particular moment in time. They may change tomorrow, or sooner. They have done so so many times that I'm no longer particularly attached to the beliefs. They're just things that come and go, like leaves blowing by on the winds of autumn. I was pretty sure I could make her waste a great deal of time fuming over what I said and researching ways to trash me. *Some* assumptions seem to be valid. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 19, 2007, at 1:02 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: Just goes to show that most TM'ers don't transcend to savikalpa samadhi, that takes time! My guess is that most don't even get to the first stage of withdrawal which is the 'muladhara chakra'! Doesn't mean TM doesn't work just that it's purported 'immeditate' benefits are exaggerated, such as transcending to pure TC...GMAB! Yes, that's true. Most people get to the gap between thoughts and think it's PC...primarily because they've been conditioned to believe that by others. Binjo.at least Vaj is a clear thinker!
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr. Magoo Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:35 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this indicated by the theft, the violence, or both? Would other forms of wrong action indicate the level of Samadhi to which one had transcended or failed to transcend? So, you mean, you don't realize that Saints and those of high consciousness don't steal? but are naturally good? The by-product of God contact is goodness, is it not? That's what I always thought, but it seems that saints, or purported saints, do all kinds of shady stuff. The Puranas are full of such stories. For contemporary examples, you need look no further than MMY.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr. Magoo Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:35 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Is this indicated by the theft, the violence, or both? Would other forms of wrong action indicate the level of Samadhi to which one had transcended or failed to transcend? So, you mean, you don't realize that Saints and those of high consciousness don't steal? but are naturally good? The by-product of God contact is goodness, is it not? That's what I always thought, but it seems that saints, or purported saints, do all kinds of shady stuff. The Puranas are full of such stories. For contemporary examples, you need look no further than MMY. True MMY has been duplicitous, and that could be an indication of his level of consciousness, however, since I am NOT enlightened I find it hard to evaluate him. He will probably always be an enigma in my book, he certainly enlightened me with TM, from which I will always be grateful, though sometimes I am baffled by his behavior and therefore think he merits some of the criticism he gets!
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: You have a gift Amigo, I can't stop laughing, where's Delia? All glory to Steve Martin, I am but an innocent loudspeaker. You lost me on the Delia reference. A great past AMT poster!!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:33 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I guess I should weigh in also with What I Believe: I believe in rainbows and puppy dogs and fairy tales. And in the background can be faintly heard... Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens; Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens; Brown paper packages tied up with strings; These are a few of my favorite things. Cream-colored ponies and crisp apple strudels; Doorbells and sleigh bells and schnitzel with noodles; Wild geese that fly with the moon on their wings; These are a few of my favorite things. Girls in white dresses with blue satin sashes; Snowflakes that stay on my nose and eyelashes; Silver-white winters that melt into springs; These are a few of my favorite things. When the dog bites, When the bee stings, When I'm feeling sad, I simply remember my favorite things, And then I don't feel so bad. Oscar Hammerstein II and Richard Rodgers
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: You have a gift Amigo, I can't stop laughing, where's Delia? All glory to Steve Martin, I am but an innocent loudspeaker. You lost me on the Delia reference. A great past AMT poster!! Yeah, the legendary DHM (dihydromonoxide) thread! :)
[FairfieldLife] Is Coca-Cola kosher?
As it turns out, yes: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Kashering_Coke.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: You have a gift Amigo, I can't stop laughing, where's Delia? All glory to Steve Martin, I am but an innocent loudspeaker. You lost me on the Delia reference. A great past AMT poster!! Yeah, the legendary DHM (dihydromonoxide) thread! :) Hey..that's right, that was hers too? Poor witch, wonder what she's up to?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: You have a gift Amigo, I can't stop laughing, where's Delia? All glory to Steve Martin, I am but an innocent loudspeaker. You lost me on the Delia reference. A great past AMT poster!! Yeah, the legendary DHMO (dihydromonoxide) thread! :) Hey..that's right, that was hers too? Poor witch, wonder what she's up to? I'm not sure if she started it: http://preview.tinyurl.com/257op9 (Edit: DHM DHMO)
Re: [FairfieldLife] What I Believe
TurquoiseB wrote: There have been a great number of statements here on FFL about what I -- Barry Wright, TurquoiseB, Unc, whatever -- believe about TM, Maharishi, the TMO, and TMers as a group. There have been even more assumptions about these things, presumed on the part of my detractors, and declared as fact *because* they assume these things. For the record, here's what I really believe: 1. TM. I believe that the basic Transcendental Meditation technique is a simple, effective means of basic meditation that can be life-enhancing for most of the people who learn it. It DOESN'T MATTER to me whether it is a technique made up by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, or whether it is, as he claims, a rediscovery of more ancient techniques. It works, and I wish that it were still being taught, without the baggage that tends to accompany its teaching (see below), and for a reasonable price. 2. Maharishi. Basically, I just don't know. I can see all sides of the issue. He might be a well-meaning monk who has the best interest of the world (as he sees it) at heart, and who just fucks up a lot because he's human, and humans fuck up a lot. He might be a con man, in it for personal glory and ego-gratification and the money. He might be a combination of the two. I will never know the truth of the matter, and to me IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER. I always took him at his word and never considered him enlightened, and still do not. I have many pleasant memories of working with and for him. I am under no illusions about his perfection, having seen him lie through his teeth and do things that most people on the planet would consider wrong. At the same time, I have no reason to believe he has done any more of those wrong things than most of the *other* people on the planet. I am grateful for the things I learned from him that I consider positive, and even more grateful for the things I learned from him that I now consider negative, because that taught me to avoid the latter in the future. I would note that by the time I was made a teacher in 1976 he seemed bored and tired of the thing. In fact later that year he stopped making teachers in person but by tape instead. I think it would be human nature to get tired of the process but he set that up for himself by thousands of low-level rote teachers who did not have a clue of what they were really doing instead of concentrating on a few advanced souls who *could* indeed carry on the tradition and make more teachers in the future just as gurus have done for thousands of years. Using bija mantras for meditation has certainly been done before but is usually frowned upon by gurus. In fact I recall how anxious MMY seemed to be about people getting the advanced technique which *is* a slightly modified common mantra. 3. The TMO. A dead parrot. Deceased, nailed to its perch, and bleedin' demised. A corpse that just hasn't gotten the email notification of its own death yet. An irrelevancy to life on planet Earth. A legend, but only in its own mind. Not terribly important, and not worth saying anything more about. IMO, killed by opportunists who thought that being very active in the TMO would be their key to power. I know a bunch that went from local bigwigs in the center to being some national bigwig. All of them were doing it for their own egos. 4. TMers As A Group. Hard to say, because there is so much confusion about what constitutes a TMer. Is it someone who once learned the TM technique, and may have stopped practicing it decades ago? Is it someone who practices the TM technique without fail, feels that they have benefitted from it, but who never was very involved with the TMO and is not today? Is a TMer more of a True Believer, someone whose whole life seems to revolve around TM and Maharishi and defending them against all critics? Or is a TMer someone who reacts to criticism of TM and its founder by calling the critics demonic and saying that they want to kill them? Regardless of what I think of the technique I do think it helped people. It doesn't if they only practiced it for 6 month or so, it changed their lives. A taste of shakti will do that to someone. But then there were a lot of teachers doing that in the 1970's. I find a lot of commonality with folks from other movements. Well, TMers are all of the above, and more. They're individuals. *As* individuals, each has his own fine points and less fine points. As a group, in my opinion FAR TOO MANY of them display some qualities that I consider spiritual baggage, beliefs that they were fed by Maharishi and the TMO as an integral part of its dogma, and that in my opinion are detrimental to their mental and spiritual health. I wrote about them a few days ago, coincidentally just before a number of...uh...TMers set about DEMONSTRATING one or more of the points I wrote on this forum, in response to one person, Paul Mason, writing a
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: There have been a great number of statements here on FFL about what I -- Barry Wright, TurquoiseB, Unc, whatever -- believe about TM, Maharishi, the TMO, and TMers as a group. There have been even more assumptions about these things, presumed on the part of my detractors, and declared as fact *because* they assume these things. Of course, Barry *never* makes any such assumptions about others. Nosireebob, perish the thought: I think that what you're upset about is that Paul is asking the questions that YOU should have asked 'way back when, and never did I think you're angry at YOURSELF for never questioning the stories you bought about Maharishi's background, and the nature of his relationship with Guru Dev, and whether Guru Dev would ever have approved of what Maharishi has done in his name. Both responses were intended to demonize Paul for writing what he wrote, and for having an opinion that you don't like. Their own insecurities about their beliefs and their need to dominate and control those who challenge those beliefs is what set them off. It's a ballsy film, and I suspect history will treat it far better than the petty, judgmental assholes who trashed it -- often without seeing it -- just because they were being judgmental about its director's inability to handle alcohol. I think what you're afraid of is not that the 'recert' process didn't 'weed him out' because his thinking was Off The Program, but that it kept him around because it wasn't. The dogma of the TMO is presented as *fact*, and after decades of hearing its postulations presented as fact, many adherents come to believe that they *are* fact, and can no longer even *conceive* of any other way of looking at the situation. And the worse things get with the TMO, the angrier they'll get, and the more that anger will fester, until something snaps, and they finally *can* admit who they're really angry at -- *themselves*, for being so gullible and so insufferably stupid, and for so long. And the funny thing is, that moment brings release. Resisting it is what keeps them so angry. The 'dark night of the soul' is not about having doubts; it's about resisting the doubts and considering them bad, and about considering themselves bad for having the doubts. ...The tendency to think in terms of 'better' and 'best' (with regard to spiritual techniques and spiritual teachers and spirtual traditions) is *built into* the TMO system, so much so that its validity and appropriateness is never questioned. I'm suggesting that its validity and appropriateness *should* be questioned, and that many TMers are so brainwashed that they are incapable of doing so. How many of you spend 144 minutes a day or less outside your home? These people think that's how 'most' people live their lives. [Nobody thinks that, or said that.--JS] Probably because that's how they live theirs, stuck inside, afraid to leave...and now even afraid of the 'sanctuaries' they're hiding in. They project onto [Guru Dev] all of their fantasies of enlightenment, and what that word means or doesn't mean to them. And it was the same thing with Maharishi. He arrived on our shores as this exotic little dark- haired monk in white robes, and everyone swooned and just assumed that everything he said was the Truth, with a capital T. These are all from just this past week, and not all the examples by any means, only those that were relatively self-contained. snip There you have it. Next time someone makes a declaration about what I believe, run it past this post to see whether what they are saying really seems to be what I believe, Ok? There is a spiritual principle you have never gotten, Barry. It goes, Listen to what people say, but watch what they DO. snip There you have it. Next time someone makes a declaration about what I believe, run it past this post to see whether what they are saying really seems to be what I believe, Ok? However, bear this in mind as well: [My beliefs] are just what this particular self chooses to believe at a particular moment in time. They may change tomorrow, or sooner. They have done so so many times that I'm no longer particularly attached to the beliefs. They're just things that come and go, like leaves blowing by on the winds of autumn. I was pretty sure I could make her waste a great deal of time fuming over what I said and researching ways to trash me. *Some* assumptions seem to be valid. :-) Sorry, Barry, took me only a couple of minutes. You did almost all the work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: You have a gift Amigo, I can't stop laughing, where's Delia? All glory to Steve Martin, I am but an innocent loudspeaker. You lost me on the Delia reference. A great past AMT poster!! Yeah, the legendary DHMO (dihydromonoxide) thread! :) Hey..that's right, that was hers too? Poor witch, wonder what she's up to? I'm not sure if she started it: http://preview.tinyurl.com/257op9 (Edit: DHM DHMO) She did indeed start it on alt.m.t. And you really need to start from the beginning to get the full effect. The thread begins here: http://tinyurl.com/2engkt By far the most enjoyable thread ever on alt.m.t.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shortchanging 9/11
authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: But wait! There's more: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=- 3074561005024763960hl=en :) Very unconvincing. The first clip is a fake, staged by the filmmakers after the fact, with the Fox News logo and so on stripped in. There's nothing in the picture when the witness is on screen that pegs the clip to shortly after the buildings' collapse. I'll look into that being a video editor for some time. It has the Oakland FOX news stadio KTVU at the beginning. That's a lot of work just for that. But the first clip sets the whole thing up. The guy is so obviously fake, if you fall for its being a real clip of a plant, you're primed to be suspicious of the other two. That clip is key. Did you notice that the cutaways to the towers don't have the Fox logo and chyron? There is nothing wrong with the authors using a cutaway that was not part of the broadcast to show what the guy was talking about. That doesn't prove anything to your thesis that it is a fake. Nice theory but I wouldn't want to drink water from it. :) The filmmakers then use the obvious phoniness of the guy's spiel (Who talks like that?) to assert that he was a plant--which is correct, but he was *their* plant. Very clever, but no cigar. Having set that up as sinister, they follow with two perfectly plausible clips of experts bloviating, which, of course, is what experts do. The filmmakers' comments attempt to portray the experts as sinister, but they don't have much to work with. And the filmmakers assure us these experts were on the air less than an hour after the attacks, but given their fakery with the first clip, I have no reason to trust their version of the timing on the next two; they could easily have faked the time bug on the MSNBC clip, and the ABC clip doesn't have one.) Furthermore, if all these guys were government plants, how come they could only find three (actually only two) of them? Why weren't there plants on CNN, NBC, CBS as well? Dan Rather is in one of the clips so that would have been CBS. Yes, that's CBS, my mistake. I had thought it was ABC. But I'm not saying the second and third clips are necessarily fake. There's just no reason to think the guys talking are plants. You've been *set up* to think they are, just like the first guy. And of course you never see either Rather or the expert. Same with the third clip. Another was Brian Williams on NBC. It was MSNBC using a feed from WNBC in New York City. But the speaker wasn't Brian Williams, sorry. That isn't his voice (and of course you never see him, and he isn't identified at all). They could have used audio from a later time; there's nothing to connect it with the video. That they didn't have clips for ABC or CNN is very telling. Pay attention. Apparently a lot of folks made tapes that day as they did during other catastrophic events. Some people are just news junkies when things like this happen and make archives. Of course. All the conspiracy videos I've seen use clips from the networks and cable. In fact many of the reports speak of it looking like a demolition. Gonna have to do better than that. You're awfully gullible, Barry. I never said these are the truth but posted them as something more to think about which is what the film makers said too. Fine, but they're using fake examples of what they want you to think about. That's the sort of thing purveyors of *disinformation* would do. But again you have no proof they are fake. You are just proposing it. I am not saying anything either way but posted it as a video of interest. If this was an inside job they would have a predicted what news coverage would happen and plant ops in the field just for that. That's a common tactical strategy. I don't know whether these guys are disinformation agents or just hoaxters having fun, or what, but that video doesn't give any credibility to the conspiracy theories, it *detracts* from their credibility. I want to maintain an open mind on the issue Don't let your mind be so open your brains fall out! Gee what a statement from someone who fancies themselves an intellectual. and not buy the government's. I never have bought much of their stuff anyway even as a kid. I was taught that they lie. Of course they lie. But that doesn't mean *everything* they say is a lie. In this case, there's no really good evidence they were lying about what happened on 9/11, at least about the main events. It just doesn't hold up under examination. And I never said they lie all the time did I? Even if it happened the way they said
Re: [FairfieldLife] the fate of trash like Paul Mason
nablusos108 wrote: Agreed. Each of the criticisms of Maharishi and each of the praises of him, or responses to the criticisms should be judged on their own merits. I agree that Barry looks pretty one-sided sometimes, as if he has already made up his mind regarding any responses to a criticism of Maharishi and what that represents to him. I personally responded to Paul's stuff twice. Once to say his phony question and answer format was what is commonly known as a 'hatchet job', in other words selectively picking Q A, designed to reveal the subject in the worst possible light, and the second time as a response to the final question and answer posed by Paul, suggesting that he should perhaps change his name to Perry Mason, a TV lawyer who always got his man. Neither response could be characterized as un-sane or extreme. I have no strong opinion on Heaven or Hell. Perhaps those states of Bliss and Tamas excist, perhaps not. But if Hell excists I think this Paul Mason fellow is a strong candidate for a prolonged stay in one of those premises. I mean, spreading slander about an outstanding Saint for money ?? It's like a plea for a stay in an unpleasant place. IMO. To be subdued and treated by Tamas for a long period of time at least is a guarantee for not having to deal with this lowlife fellow in our next incarnation. So why didn't Maharishi teach us mantra shastra? I see nothing wrong with Paul's investigative reporting. However I believe I have suggested to him in the past to go visit some of the Indian tantrics and/or astrologers who reside in the UK and get their opinion on the TMO and traditional teachings. I think it would provide an even deeper understanding.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
Mr. Magoo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Police and Sheriff Reports 2/19/07 From the weekend police log: Yuriy Chernenko, 29, of Fairfield reported theft in the fifth degree at the MUM building 140, room 322. Sergiy Gudoshyn reported serious assault at MUM building 143, room 208. The incident is under investigation, and warrants were requested for Yuriy Chernenko, 29, of Fairfield. Just goes to show that most TM'ers don't transcend to savikalpa samadhi, that takes time! My guess is that most don't even get to the first stage of withdrawal which is the 'muladhara chakra'! Doesn't mean TM doesn't work just that it's purported 'immeditate' benefits are exaggerated, such as transcending to pure TC...GMAB! It can take seven or more lifetimes to reach enlightenment once embarking on the path. Some of the folks who learned TM were not on their first lifetime on the path, nor even second or third. That's why there is such a wide range of experience. And yes someone who almost made it in their last lifetime might even read a mantra in a book and pop into samadhi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: You have a gift Amigo, I can't stop laughing, where's Delia? All glory to Steve Martin, I am but an innocent loudspeaker. You lost me on the Delia reference. A great past AMT poster!! Yeah, the legendary DHMO (dihydromonoxide) thread! :) Hey..that's right, that was hers too? Poor witch, wonder what she's up to? I'm not sure if she started it: http://preview.tinyurl.com/257op9 (Edit: DHM DHMO) She did indeed start it on alt.m.t. And you really need to start from the beginning to get the full effect. The thread begins here: http://tinyurl.com/2engkt By far the most enjoyable thread ever on alt.m.t. What Judy means is that I got conned, big-time, with my own full cooperation, and she enjoyed watching it. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shortchanging 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: But wait! There's more: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=- 3074561005024763960hl=en :) Very unconvincing. The first clip is a fake, staged by the filmmakers after the fact, with the Fox News logo and so on stripped in. There's nothing in the picture when the witness is on screen that pegs the clip to shortly after the buildings' collapse. I'll look into that being a video editor for some time. It has the Oakland FOX news stadio KTVU at the beginning. That's a lot of work just for that. But the first clip sets the whole thing up. The guy is so obviously fake, if you fall for its being a real clip of a plant, you're primed to be suspicious of the other two. That clip is key. Did you notice that the cutaways to the towers don't have the Fox logo and chyron? There is nothing wrong with the authors using a cutaway that was not part of the broadcast to show what the guy was talking about. We've all seen that film a million times; we know exactly what he's talking about. The focus of this clip was supposedly on the guy himself. Why cut away from him? If that had been a real Fox News clip from shortly after the attacks, *Fox News* would have shown that film as the guy was talking, and the logo and chyron would be on it. As you say, to strip in the logo is a lot of work. They apparently decided not to bother with the cutaways, figuring nobody would notice. That doesn't prove anything to your thesis that it is a fake. It all adds up, Barry. snip Of course. All the conspiracy videos I've seen use clips from the networks and cable. In fact many of the reports speak of it looking like a demolition. duh Non sequitur. Gonna have to do better than that. You're awfully gullible, Barry. I never said these are the truth but posted them as something more to think about which is what the film makers said too. Fine, but they're using fake examples of what they want you to think about. That's the sort of thing purveyors of *disinformation* would do. But again you have no proof they are fake. You are just proposing it. I am not saying anything either way but posted it as a video of interest. It's of no interest if the first clip is a fake, which it clearly is. If this was an inside job they would have a predicted what news coverage would happen and plant ops in the field just for that. That's a common tactical strategy. Right, which is why the filmmakers tried to make it seem that's what they had done. I want to maintain an open mind on the issue Don't let your mind be so open your brains fall out! Gee what a statement from someone who fancies themselves an intellectual. Happens to be one of my father's favorite quips. He was the head of the German department at Harvard. It's actually a very valid point. and not buy the government's. I never have bought much of their stuff anyway even as a kid. I was taught that they lie. Of course they lie. But that doesn't mean *everything* they say is a lie. In this case, there's no really good evidence they were lying about what happened on 9/11, at least about the main events. It just doesn't hold up under examination. And I never said they lie all the time did I? Even if it happened the way they said there would still be a fair amount of cover-up because government agencies screwed up. Unquestionably. But the *real* screw-ups (and perhaps deliberate facilitation) get a lot less attention than the sexy controlled-demolition, Bush-did-it conspiracy theories. They distract attention from what we really ought to be looking at.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: snip I'm not sure if she started it: http://preview.tinyurl.com/257op9 (Edit: DHM DHMO) She did indeed start it on alt.m.t. And you really need to start from the beginning to get the full effect. The thread begins here: http://tinyurl.com/2engkt By far the most enjoyable thread ever on alt.m.t. What Judy means is that I got conned, big-time, with my own full cooperation, and she enjoyed watching it. :-) Yes, it was great fun to watch Delia humilitate you. You used every one of your ugly, arrogant, slimy, vicious, dishonest tactics against her, and she turned every one of them right back onto you. It was a work of art, an incredible performance. Anybody who wants confirmation of what I say about here Barry should read this thread. Talk about being exposed as a phony!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shortchanging 9/11
authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: But wait! There's more: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=- 3074561005024763960hl=en :) Very unconvincing. The first clip is a fake, staged by the filmmakers after the fact, with the Fox News logo and so on stripped in. There's nothing in the picture when the witness is on screen that pegs the clip to shortly after the buildings' collapse. I'll look into that being a video editor for some time. It has the Oakland FOX news stadio KTVU at the beginning. That's a lot of work just for that. But the first clip sets the whole thing up. The guy is so obviously fake, if you fall for its being a real clip of a plant, you're primed to be suspicious of the other two. That clip is key. Did you notice that the cutaways to the towers don't have the Fox logo and chyron? There is nothing wrong with the authors using a cutaway that was not part of the broadcast to show what the guy was talking about. We've all seen that film a million times; we know exactly what he's talking about. The focus of this clip was supposedly on the guy himself. Why cut away from him? To show what he is talking about. Video editing 101 If that had been a real Fox News clip from shortly after the attacks, *Fox News* would have shown that film as the guy was talking, and the logo and chyron would be on it. As you say, to strip in the logo is a lot of work. They apparently decided not to bother with the cutaways, figuring nobody would notice. Nonesense. One could debunk a lot videos with such useless logic. That doesn't prove anything to your thesis that it is a fake. It all adds up, Barry. I don't think so. snip Of course. All the conspiracy videos I've seen use clips from the networks and cable. In fact many of the reports speak of it looking like a demolition. duh Non sequitur. Oh no, very much part of the topic. Your non sequitur is non sequitur. Gonna have to do better than that. You're awfully gullible, Barry. I never said these are the truth but posted them as something more to think about which is what the film makers said too. Fine, but they're using fake examples of what they want you to think about. That's the sort of thing purveyors of *disinformation* would do. But again you have no proof they are fake. You are just proposing it. I am not saying anything either way but posted it as a video of interest. It's of no interest if the first clip is a fake, which it clearly is. Not at all clearly a fake.Only to you who wants it to be one. If this was an inside job they would have a predicted what news coverage would happen and plant ops in the field just for that. That's a common tactical strategy. Right, which is why the filmmakers tried to make it seem that's what they had done. I want to maintain an open mind on the issue Don't let your mind be so open your brains fall out! Gee what a statement from someone who fancies themselves an intellectual. Happens to be one of my father's favorite quips. He was the head of the German department at Harvard. It's actually a very valid point. IOW, the masses shouldn't think. Sounds a bit arrogant to me. and not buy the government's. I never have bought much of their stuff anyway even as a kid. I was taught that they lie. Of course they lie. But that doesn't mean *everything* they say is a lie. In this case, there's no really good evidence they were lying about what happened on 9/11, at least about the main events. It just doesn't hold up under examination. And I never said they lie all the time did I? Even if it happened the way they said there would still be a fair amount of cover-up because government agencies screwed up. Unquestionably. But the *real* screw-ups (and perhaps deliberate facilitation) get a lot less attention than the sexy controlled-demolition, Bush-did-it conspiracy theories. They distract attention from what we really ought to be looking at. BUT... what if a rogue organization other than Islamic terrorist did do it? I think a lot of 9-11 truth folks are trying to solve a mystery. Nothing wrong with that. Keep taking the blue pill if it helps...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shortchanging 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip [Bhairitu wrote:] I want to maintain an open mind on the issue Don't let your mind be so open your brains fall out! Gee what a statement from someone who fancies themselves an intellectual. Happens to be one of my father's favorite quips. He was the head of the German department at Harvard. It's actually a very valid point. IOW, the masses shouldn't think. Sounds a bit arrogant to me. You nitwit. It's a reminder to THINK CRITICALLY AND NOT BE GULLIBLE.
[FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason
I have no strong opinion on Heaven or Hell. Perhaps those states of Bliss and Tamas excist, perhaps not. But if Hell excists I think this Paul Mason fellow is a strong candidate for a prolonged stay in one of those premises. I mean, spreading slander about an outstanding Saint for money ?? It's like a plea for a stay in an unpleasant place. IMO. To be subdued and treated by Tamas for a long period of time at least is a guarantee for not having to deal with this lowlife fellow in our next incarnation. So why didn't Maharishi teach us mantra shastra? Thats an interesting question. IMO Maharishi has from day one been rather demanding; take this knowledge without explanation or do something else. Either you trust him, or you do not. Those who trusted him and followed Maharishis suggestions never needed any shastras, it simply just worked. I see nothing wrong with Paul's investigative reporting. However I believe I have suggested to him in the past to go visit some of the Indian tantrics and/or astrologers who reside in the UK and get their opinion on the TMO and traditional teachings. I think it would provide an even deeper understanding. Pardon me, but I still think this Paul Mason character are making unworthy contributions to himself. What is he doing to himself ? Has he no idea of the laws of carma whatsoever ? He can do no harm to Maharishi, who is spotless, but he seems bent on hurting himself. It's all based on greed and ego, whatever PM would say. It's his problem, I really do not care.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Separating Fact Fro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] By the way, Tom, speaking as someone who has actually met and worked with some real Yaqui shamans, I'd love to know how you ended up working with these REAL guys, since even people like Big Jim Griffith take decades of work to be accepted by them, especially after they were burned so nicely by Castaneda. Just being in the right place at the right time, in the company of the right person to make an introduction. In other words, sheer luck. But who the heck is Big Jim Griffith? What, miss the url that I just cut and paste from my original message? http://parentseyes.arizona.edu/msw/jsg_msw.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: To suggest TM is not a Religion is ridiculous ignorance on your part!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only is TM a part of the eternal Religion of the Vedas (Sanatana Dharma) but is only, I repeat, only ONE limb (dhyana) of Patanjali's *eight* limbs of Yoga. The fact that TM is *marketed* as not being a Religion is one thing, (MMY said you can teach TM in whatever form you wish), but to deny it is Religious is ridiculous! Religion=to bind back (to God/Self). TM as a simple mental technique is MMY's effort to reach out to ignorant humanity and let them *begin* to experience the simplest form of their own awareness. When ALL eight limbs of Patanjali's Yoga are practiced *simultaneously* one can be said to be truly practicing Yoga in earnest. (MMY's Gita page 363 HB) Unless you want to hobble along on one wheel..you'll still get there, it'll just take longer! Q: Which of the 8 limbs isn't inherent in every religion? A: Dyhana aka Transcendental Meditation
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: Police and Sheriff Reports 2/19/07 From the weekend police log: Yuriy Chernenko, 29, of Fairfield reported theft in the fifth degree at the MUM building 140, room 322. Sergiy Gudoshyn reported serious assault at MUM building 143, room 208. The incident is under investigation, and warrants were requested for Yuriy Chernenko, 29, of Fairfield. Just goes to show that most TM'ers don't transcend to savikalpa samadhi, that takes time! My guess is that most don't even get to the first stage of withdrawal which is the 'muladhara chakra'! Doesn't mean TM doesn't work just that it's purported 'immeditate' benefits are exaggerated, such as transcending to pure TC...GMAB! Heh.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 19, 2007, at 1:02 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: Just goes to show that most TM'ers don't transcend to savikalpa samadhi, that takes time! My guess is that most don't even get to the first stage of withdrawal which is the 'muladhara chakra'! Doesn't mean TM doesn't work just that it's purported 'immeditate' benefits are exaggerated, such as transcending to pure TC...GMAB! Yes, that's true. Most people get to the gap between thoughts and think it's PC...primarily because they've been conditioned to believe that by others. Whereas YOU, Vaj, know the real thing, because...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Is this indicated by the theft, the violence, or both? Would other forms of wrong action indicate the level of Samadhi to which one had transcended or failed to transcend? So, you mean, you don't realize that Saints and those of high consciousness don't steal? but are naturally good? The by-product of God contact is goodness, is it not? Relative to what, and in response to what other factors?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Life in Fairfield is all bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 19, 2007, at 1:02 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: Just goes to show that most TM'ers don't transcend to savikalpa samadhi, that takes time! My guess is that most don't even get to the first stage of withdrawal which is the 'muladhara chakra'! Doesn't mean TM doesn't work just that it's purported 'immeditate' benefits are exaggerated, such as transcending to pure TC...GMAB! Yes, that's true. Most people get to the gap between thoughts and think it's PC...primarily because they've been conditioned to believe that by others. Binjo.at least Vaj is a clear thinker! Of course, you have transcended these conditioning issues...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Separating Fact Fro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] By the way, Tom, speaking as someone who has actually met and worked with some real Yaqui shamans, I'd love to know how you ended up working with these REAL guys, since even people like Big Jim Griffith take decades of work to be accepted by them, especially after they were burned so nicely by Castaneda. Just being in the right place at the right time, in the company of the right person to make an introduction. In other words, sheer luck. But who the heck is Big Jim Griffith? What, miss the url that I just cut and paste from my original message? http://parentseyes.arizona.edu/msw/jsg_msw.html No, I was channeling one of the shamans who made him wait. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason
nablusos108 wrote: I have no strong opinion on Heaven or Hell. Perhaps those states of Bliss and Tamas excist, perhaps not. But if Hell excists I think this Paul Mason fellow is a strong candidate for a prolonged stay in one of those premises. I mean, spreading slander about an outstanding Saint for money ?? It's like a plea for a stay in an unpleasant place. IMO. To be subdued and treated by Tamas for a long period of time at least is a guarantee for not having to deal with this lowlife fellow in our next incarnation. So why didn't Maharishi teach us mantra shastra? Thats an interesting question. IMO Maharishi has from day one been rather demanding; take this knowledge without explanation or do something else. Either you trust him, or you do not. Those who trusted him and followed Maharishis suggestions never needed any shastras, it simply just worked. But teachers should know how it works. Mantra Shastra is the science of mantras.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What I Believe, Part II
A little difficult since my DVD player is on the top rack so that it is easy insert and remove disks. That drive is so cheap it itself is the only foreign object you want there. :) TurquoiseB wrote: * Curtis will hook up with a gorgeous babe named Bambi who will suck the chrome off his favorite mouth harp and leave him for an investment banker named Sheldon. * Rick's karma for starting this forum will finally catch up to him, and he will be committed to a psych ward, where everyone will call him Vaj. * MDixon will be reborn as a liberal, and will feel guilty about it for that entire lifetime. * Willytex will contract a social disease from one of his prairie dog friends, and it will eat away the bridge of his nose. No one will notice. * Bhairitu will develop an intense Tantric relationship with his HD-DVD player, and as a consequence will have to explain to the paramedics how his penis got caught in the DVD slot. * Sal will become the resident hottie of her rest home, and will be loved by all except the male nurses with bruises on their buttocks from all the pinching. * Vaj will realize his full, to-the-max, fully-certified enlightenment, and will be somewhat disappointed by it. * Cardemaister will arrive in Heaven to find that no one there speaks Sanskrit, and will have to work for eternity as a translator. * Tom T. will be jailed for making Byron Katie puns, but will find love with a cellmate named Bubba. * Bob B. will have an epiphany and realize that the world's progress towards Sat Yuga is not being retarded by Maharishi to protect it from too fast a change, but because the world itself is retarded and couldn't care less about Sat Yuga. * Nablusos, upon his death, will ascend to the 12th dimension, and will look down on everyone there. * Peter Klutz will be reborn in a world in which every- one really IS out to get him. * Lou will be visiting Israel when the UFOs arrive, and will board a spaceship that bears the name, To Serve Man. * Jim will find that everything he's ever believed, about anything, is false, but will react by saying, Z. * Sparaig will become a noted scientist and will prove conclusively that white rats cause cancer. * Peter will make history by being the first Floridian to successfully psychoanalyze an alligator and live. * Judy will go to her grave never having seen Mel Gibson's 'Apocalypto,' so that she can remain convinced that she was right about trashing it. * I will go watch the latest episode of Lost and identify with all of the characters simultaneously.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe, Part II
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip * Judy will go to her grave never having seen Mel Gibson's 'Apocalypto,' so that she can remain convinced that she was right about trashing it. This from the guy who got virtually everything he said about the film dead wrong, including that Gibson intended it as a love story and that it had no information about the era in which it took place, as well as believing the scholars' objections to its historical inaccuracies were *precisely reversed* from what they actually were. And he'll go to *his* grave absolutely convinced he got everything *right*. (Well, no, he did finally backpedal about its having no information about when it took place, but he never admitted he'd been wrong in his initial claim.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Coca-Cola kosher?
In a message dated 2/19/07 1:18:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As it turns out, yes: There is also a Halal (Islamic version of Kosher) Coca Cola.
[FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nablusos108 wrote: I have no strong opinion on Heaven or Hell. Perhaps those states of Bliss and Tamas excist, perhaps not. But if Hell excists I think this Paul Mason fellow is a strong candidate for a prolonged stay in one of those premises. I mean, spreading slander about an outstanding Saint for money ?? It's like a plea for a stay in an unpleasant place. IMO. To be subdued and treated by Tamas for a long period of time at least is a guarantee for not having to deal with this lowlife fellow in our next incarnation. So why didn't Maharishi teach us mantra shastra? Thats an interesting question. IMO Maharishi has from day one been rather demanding; take this knowledge without explanation or do something else. Either you trust him, or you do not. Those who trusted him and followed Maharishis suggestions never needed any shastras, it simply just worked. But teachers should know how it works. Mantra Shastra is the science of mantras. Why should we know ? It works. Then also it would just confuse the rather simple minds of the western Governors. To study the shastras demands a rather mature nervous-system seldom to be found among western TM-teachers. Keep it simple was and is the more effective way. And how much time would it take to learn all those details ? Maharishi was and is in a hurry to bring the New Light, the Golden Age into this world, for which he will be remembered. There is no time for such studies when Maitreya and The Masters of Wisdom are knocking at the door. Heaven wil walk on earth - in this generation. - Maharishi Who knows if this would have happened if we spent years studying the shastras instead of teaching.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe, Part II
In a message dated 2/19/2007 6:02:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Curtis will hook up with a gorgeous babe named Bambi who will suck the chrome off his favorite mouth harp and leave him for an investment banker named Sheldon. * Rick's karma for starting this forum will finally catch up to him, and he will be committed to a psych ward, where everyone will call him Vaj. * MDixon will be reborn as a liberal, and will feel guilty about it for that entire lifetime. * Willytex will contract a social disease from one of his prairie dog friends, and it will eat away the bridge of his nose. No one will notice. * Bhairitu will develop an intense Tantric relationship with his HD-DVD player, and as a consequence will have to explain to the paramedics how his penis got caught in the DVD slot. * Sal will become the resident hottie of her rest home, and will be loved by all except the male nurses with bruises on their buttocks from all the pinching. * Vaj will realize his full, to-the-max, fully-certified enlightenment, and will be somewhat disappointed by it. * Cardemaister will arrive in Heaven to find that no one there speaks Sanskrit, and will have to work for eternity as a translator. * Tom T. will be jailed for making Byron Katie puns, but will find love with a cellmate named Bubba. * Bob B. will have an epiphany and realize that the world's progress towards Sat Yuga is not being retarded by Maharishi to protect it from too fast a change, but because the world itself is retarded and couldn't care less about Sat Yuga. * Nablusos, upon his death, will ascend to the 12th dimension, and will look down on everyone there. * Peter Klutz will be reborn in a world in which every- one really IS out to get him. * Lou will be visiting Israel when the UFOs arrive, and will board a spaceship that bears the name, To Serve Man. * Jim will find that everything he's ever believed, about anything, is false, but will react by saying, Z. * Sparaig will become a noted scientist and will prove conclusively that white rats cause cancer. * Peter will make history by being the first Floridian to successfully psychoanalyze an alligator and live. * Judy will go to her grave never having seen Mel Gibson's 'Apocalypto, Gibson's 'Apocalypto,WBR' so that she was right about trashing it. * I will go watch the latest episode of Lost and identify with all of the characters simultaneously. Yes! You nailed it. I love this. Very creative and a good laugh for a change. Lsoma.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To suggest TM is not a Religion is ridiculous ignorance!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: Not only is TM a part of the eternal Religion of the Vedas (Sanatana Dharma) but is only, I repeat, only ONE limb (dhyana) of Patanjali's *eight* limbs of Yoga. The fact that TM is *marketed* as not being a Religion is one thing, (MMY said you can teach TM in whatever form you wish), but to deny it is Religious is ridiculous! Religion=to bind back (to God/Self). TM as a simple mental technique is MMY's effort to reach out to ignorant humanity and let them *begin* to experience the simplest form of their own awareness. When ALL eight limbs of Patanjali's Yoga are practiced *simultaneously* one can be said to be truly practicing Yoga in earnest. (MMY's Gita page 363 HB) Unless you want to hobble along on one wheel..you'll still get there, it'll just take longer! Q: Which of the 8 limbs isn't inherent in every religion? A: Dyhana aka Transcendental Meditation Nor is samadhi...the eight limb, but dhyana is in Hinduism, Buddhism and others.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusos108 Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 5:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason Keep it simple was and is the more effective way. And how much time would it take to learn all those details ? Maharishi was and is in a hurry to bring the New Light, the Golden Age into this world, for which he will be remembered. There is no time for such studies when Maitreya and The Masters of Wisdom are knocking at the door. Heaven wil walk on earth - in this generation. - Maharishi Who knows if this would have happened if we spent years studying the shastras instead of teaching. On my TTC (Estes Park 1970) Maharishi said that when there's a war on, you don't have time to train sharpshooters. You just hand people a gun and send them out to battle.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What I Believe
In a message dated 2/19/2007 10:49:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: FairfieldLife@ FairfieldLi FairfieldLife@WBRyahoogr FairfieldLife@ FairOn Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:40 AM To: FairfieldLife@ FairfieldLi Fa Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] What I Believe Dear Barry, I love the way you expressed yourself and feelings about the TMO, TM and MMY. You are solid about what you have been through and have clear opinions based on your experiences. I can relate to your feelings regarding the TMO and what you are saying. You are correct that we will never know the whole truth and nothing but the truth. In the name of protecting the purity of the teaching TM has been compromised to a great extent. This is why the ME has not come to fruition over the years. The fundamentalist who run his organization have ruined MMY plan. MMY knows this and the latest viewings of him from Holland show a man who is ready to leave the show. He is not happy with his leaders and when he looks out the windows of his supreme castle the world is at war. All of the money spent on scientific resarch and all of the time he spent trying to organize his message has fallen into the hands of people who are hungry for power. They are in for a great disappointment come July or August of 2007. All of those peace palaces. Who will fill them up? Lsoma. Your mistake here, Lou is in not realizing or admitting that MMY made the movement what it is. He micromanaged it with an iron hand. He chose and trained the people around him, and sent away those he didn’t want. He came up with most of the ideas and initiatives, made or was consulted on all of the important decisions.. Love it or hate it, the TM movement is an extension of MMY’s personality. He has said so himself. He wanted it that way. You’re trying to preserve your feelings for MMY by blaming others for what you don’t like. Get real. Be truthful. What you see is what he created. I have a huge advantage over anyone who has worked closely with MMY. I never did. I don't have experiences of looking at him from a more human point of view. I think Rick is reacting to me because he has been up front and center with MMY. In the end I have to go with my own experiences of my TM practice. The problem is expecting MMY to act like an enlightened person when he never said he was enlightened. Everyone put that on him. He's a man. A Capricorn. A volunteer from the fifth dimension. When he reaches the seventh dimension then he is a qualified master. Rick, your spiritual evolution has outgrown MMY a long time ago. You are a leader and creator of this forum. Can you forgive MMY for his choices that are not in alignment with yours? One of the problems with MMY is he didn't have a hot headed Italian like me to straighten him out from time to time. Charlie Lutes was too nice and played the conservative role and Deepak just gave up and went his own way. Many devotees were outgrowing MMY because he wanted to stay stuck in the Capricorn model of building an organization. He is not enlightened. An enlightened person could care less about building more structure. But, the man has given humanity something to think about. He has touched many lives. I have an advantage. I never got physically close enough to get into the karma that evolves around his organization. I decided a long time ago to let my inner soul do most of the talking rather than join in his organization. Thank God. I would have ended up disappointed like most of the teachers. Is the TMO really an extension of MMY? I don't think it is. The SRM was more in alignment with what he wanted. Then came the Sidhi's. MMY saw that people were getting bored with just the simple silence of TM. So he entertained people for awhile to keep them meditating. People find all kinds of excuses as to why they can't find time for their spiritual life. We are entering a time when all male structures will fall. Man is holding on for dear life. Many teachers have taken off where MMY left off but his knowledge that he has left to his organization and to us is important to re-educate the masses. I have never heard an Indian saint talk about the source of thought or the least excited state of awarness. There is great knowledge in SCI. Forgiveness will free you along with a thankful heart. Every time you hugg Amachi remember that she was sent to you to help you forgive and be grateful. It is a bitch sometimes but it frees us up to do our work. And your work is happening now and will blossom very soon. All love to you Rick. Namaste. Lou Valentino.
[FairfieldLife] Is TM in this future?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe, Part II
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip * Judy will go to her grave never having seen Mel Gibson's 'Apocalypto,' so that she can remain convinced that she was right about trashing it. This from the guy who got virtually everything he said about the film dead wrong, including that Gibson intended it as a love story and that it had no information about the era in which it took place, as well as believing the scholars' objections to its historical inaccuracies were *precisely reversed* from what they actually were. And he'll go to *his* grave absolutely convinced he got everything *right*. (Well, no, he did finally backpedal about its having no information about when it took place, but he never admitted he'd been wrong in his initial claim.) Turq (aka Barry, Unc) has no desire to get everything *right*. He is Lost as he said, and I don't mean that as a criticism. It is just as valid a way of Being as any other. No boundaries, no truth, no lies, no relationship of anything to anything else beyond the moment, which is gone as soon as it is comprehended. Everything has the same value as everything else, brought into being solely by intention, often in the form of opposition. It is a kind of surrealistic reality superimposed on the logical one that many of us seem to value here. Transcendental dialogue, as meaningful as the random thoughts sometimes seeding our meditations. Fun to watch but don't expect to *get* anything from it beyond the eternal game of it. That is the only reality here for Turq. Either play along or don't play along. The conclusions are all meaningless anyway; not bad, or good, or anything else. It is an ever shifting canvas, as ephemeral as the passing moments of life itself. This is not a game where points are made or proven. It is a form of spiritual Dadaism, which when investigated, leads only to nothingness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusos108 Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 5:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason Keep it simple was and is the more effective way. And how much time would it take to learn all those details ? Maharishi was and is in a hurry to bring the New Light, the Golden Age into this world, for which he will be remembered. There is no time for such studies when Maitreya and The Masters of Wisdom are knocking at the door. Heaven wil walk on earth - in this generation. - Maharishi Who knows if this would have happened if we spent years studying the shastras instead of teaching. On my TTC (Estes Park 1970) Maharishi said that when there's a war on, you don't have time to train sharpshooters. You just hand people a gun and send them out to battle. Very well said.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shortchanging 9/11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nelson wrote: It looks like the biggest threat is from Washington and, those behind the scene that run it. So, Osama bin Laden murdered 3,000 innocent people and Saddam was responsible for the death of over a million, but the elected congressional leaders in Washington are YOUR enemy. Go figure. ++ To clarify a bit here RJ, after some research. I have to conclude that the elected people aren't running things. N.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:33 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I guess I should weigh in also with What I Believe: I believe in rainbows and puppy dogs and fairy tales. And in the background can be faintly heard... Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens; Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens; Brown paper packages tied up with strings; These are a few of my favorite things. Cream-colored ponies and crisp apple strudels; Doorbells and sleigh bells and schnitzel with noodles; Wild geese that fly with the moon on their wings; These are a few of my favorite things. Girls in white dresses with blue satin sashes; Snowflakes that stay on my nose and eyelashes; Silver-white winters that melt into springs; These are a few of my favorite things. When the dog bites, When the bee stings, When I'm feeling sad, I simply remember my favorite things, And then I don't feel so bad. Oscar Hammerstein II and Richard Rodgers - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
TurquoiseB wrote: I was pretty sure I could make her waste a great deal of time fuming over what I said and researching ways to trash me. *Some* assumptions seem to be valid. :-) So, it's all about Judy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
A great past AMT poster!! Yeah, the legendary DHM (dihydromonoxide) thread! :) That would be DHMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe, Part II
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip * Judy will go to her grave never having seen Mel Gibson's 'Apocalypto,' so that she can remain convinced that she was right about trashing it. This from the guy who got virtually everything he said about the film dead wrong, including that Gibson intended it as a love story and that it had no information about the era in which it took place, as well as believing the scholars' objections to its historical inaccuracies were *precisely reversed* from what they actually were. And he'll go to *his* grave absolutely convinced he got everything *right*. (Well, no, he did finally backpedal about its having no information about when it took place, but he never admitted he'd been wrong in his initial claim.) Turq (aka Barry, Unc) has no desire to get everything *right*. He is Lost as he said, and I don't mean that as a criticism. It is just as valid a way of Being as any other. No boundaries, no truth, no lies, no relationship of anything to anything else beyond the moment, which is gone as soon as it is comprehended. Everything has the same value as everything else, brought into being solely by intention, often in the form of opposition. It is a kind of surrealistic reality superimposed on the logical one that many of us seem to value here. Transcendental dialogue, as meaningful as the random thoughts sometimes seeding our meditations. Fun to watch but don't expect to *get* anything from it beyond the eternal game of it. That is the only reality here for Turq. Either play along or don't play along. The conclusions are all meaningless anyway; not bad, or good, or anything else. It is an ever shifting canvas, as ephemeral as the passing moments of life itself. This is not a game where points are made or proven. It is a form of spiritual Dadaism, which when investigated, leads only to nothingness. Uh, Jim... Never mind.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason
Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusos108 Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 5:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason Keep it simple was and is the more effective way. And how much time would it take to learn all those details ? Maharishi was and is in a hurry to bring the New Light, the Golden Age into this world, for which he will be remembered. There is no time for such studies when Maitreya and The Masters of Wisdom are knocking at the door. Heaven wil walk on earth - in this generation. - Maharishi Who knows if this would have happened if we spent years studying the shastras instead of teaching. On my TTC (Estes Park 1970) Maharishi said that when there's a war on, you don't have time to train sharpshooters. You just hand people a gun and send them out to battle. I'm not talking about memorizing the Mantra Mahodadhi or anything like that. I'm talking about going over the science of mantras. I think some of the other gurus gave out some of that knowledge and not just to teachers. I would have thought that might have been included in getting a Vedic Phd. but apparently not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
Mr. Magoo wrote: Poor witch, wonder what she's up to? You were always attracted to Delia.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason
On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:47 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I'm not talking about memorizing the Mantra Mahodadhi or anything like that. I'm talking about going over the science of mantras. I think some of the other gurus gave out some of that knowledge and not just to teachers. I would have thought that might have been included in getting a Vedic Phd. but apparently not. Definitely NOT.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What I Believe, Part II
On Feb 19, 2007, at 3:17 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: * Sal will become the resident hottie of her rest home, and will be loved by all except the male nurses with bruises on their buttocks from all the pinching. Ha, ha--funny! When I was just a little girl I asked my mother, what will I be Will I be pretty, will I be rich Here's what she said to me. Que Sera, Sera, Whatever will be, will be The future's not ours, to see Que Sera, Sera What will be, will be. When I was young, I fell in love I asked my sweetheart what lies ahead Will we have rainbows, day after day Here's what my sweetheart said. Que Sera, Sera, Whatever will be, will be The future's not ours, to see Que Sera, Sera What will be, will be. Now I have children of my own They ask their mother, what will I be Will I be handsome, will I be rich I tell them tenderly. Que Sera, Sera, Whatever will be, will be The future's not ours, to see Que Sera, Sera What will be, will be. Doris Day Que Sera Sera
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Separating Fact Fro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] By the way, Tom, speaking as someone who has actually met and worked with some real Yaqui shamans, I'd love to know how you ended up working with these REAL guys, since even people like Big Jim Griffith take decades of work to be accepted by them, especially after they were burned so nicely by Castaneda. Just being in the right place at the right time, in the company of the right person to make an introduction. In other words, sheer luck. But who the heck is Big Jim Griffith? What, miss the url that I just cut and paste from my original message? http://parentseyes.arizona.edu/msw/jsg_msw.html No, I was channeling one of the shamans who made him wait. :-) Er, yeah. Mention your name to the average SouthWest Indian and see how many recognize you. Mention Big Jim Griffith? I think you'll see a few more respond.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
I have a huge advantage over anyone who has worked closely with MMY. Let me just propose the radical idea that you may not know more about MMY than people who have spent considerable time with him. You may know less. Your knowledge of MMY is so tied up with your fantasies about him, that you cannot say that you know MMY at all. You are making all this shit up and it is obvious. BTW I am speaking from the 20th dimension. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/19/2007 10:49:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: FairfieldLife@ FairfieldLi FairfieldLife@WBRyahoogr FairfieldLife@ FairOn Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:40 AM To: FairfieldLife@ FairfieldLi Fa Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] What I Believe Dear Barry, I love the way you expressed yourself and feelings about the TMO, TM and MMY. You are solid about what you have been through and have clear opinions based on your experiences. I can relate to your feelings regarding the TMO and what you are saying. You are correct that we will never know the whole truth and nothing but the truth. In the name of protecting the purity of the teaching TM has been compromised to a great extent. This is why the ME has not come to fruition over the years. The fundamentalist who run his organization have ruined MMY plan. MMY knows this and the latest viewings of him from Holland show a man who is ready to leave the show. He is not happy with his leaders and when he looks out the windows of his supreme castle the world is at war. All of the money spent on scientific resarch and all of the time he spent trying to organize his message has fallen into the hands of people who are hungry for power. They are in for a great disappointment come July or August of 2007. All of those peace palaces. Who will fill them up? Lsoma. Your mistake here, Lou is in not realizing or admitting that MMY made the movement what it is. He micromanaged it with an iron hand. He chose and trained the people around him, and sent away those he didnât want. He came up with most of the ideas and initiatives, made or was consulted on all of the important decisions.. Love it or hate it, the TM movement is an extension of MMYâs personality. He has said so himself. He wanted it that way. Youâre trying to preserve your feelings for MMY by blaming others for what you donât like. Get real. Be truthful. What you see is what he created. I have a huge advantage over anyone who has worked closely with MMY. I never did. I don't have experiences of looking at him from a more human point of view. I think Rick is reacting to me because he has been up front and center with MMY. In the end I have to go with my own experiences of my TM practice. The problem is expecting MMY to act like an enlightened person when he never said he was enlightened. Everyone put that on him. He's a man. A Capricorn. A volunteer from the fifth dimension. When he reaches the seventh dimension then he is a qualified master. Rick, your spiritual evolution has outgrown MMY a long time ago. You are a leader and creator of this forum. Can you forgive MMY for his choices that are not in alignment with yours? One of the problems with MMY is he didn't have a hot headed Italian like me to straighten him out from time to time. Charlie Lutes was too nice and played the conservative role and Deepak just gave up and went his own way. Many devotees were outgrowing MMY because he wanted to stay stuck in the Capricorn model of building an organization. He is not enlightened. An enlightened person could care less about building more structure. But, the man has given humanity something to think about. He has touched many lives. I have an advantage. I never got physically close enough to get into the karma that evolves around his organization. I decided a long time ago to let my inner soul do most of the talking rather than join in his organization. Thank God. I would have ended up disappointed like most of the teachers. Is the TMO really an extension of MMY? I don't think it is. The SRM was more in alignment with what he wanted. Then came the Sidhi's. MMY saw that people were getting bored with just the simple silence of TM. So he entertained people for awhile to keep them meditating. People find all kinds of excuses as to why they can't find time for their spiritual life. We are entering a time when all male structures will fall. Man is holding on for dear life. Many teachers have taken off where MMY left off but his knowledge that he has left to his organization and to us is important to re-educate the masses. I have never heard an Indian saint talk about the source of thought or the least excited state of awarness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To suggest TM is not a Religion is ridiculous ignorance!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: Not only is TM a part of the eternal Religion of the Vedas (Sanatana Dharma) but is only, I repeat, only ONE limb (dhyana) of Patanjali's *eight* limbs of Yoga. The fact that TM is *marketed* as not being a Religion is one thing, (MMY said you can teach TM in whatever form you wish), but to deny it is Religious is ridiculous! Religion=to bind back (to God/Self). TM as a simple mental technique is MMY's effort to reach out to ignorant humanity and let them *begin* to experience the simplest form of their own awareness. When ALL eight limbs of Patanjali's Yoga are practiced *simultaneously* one can be said to be truly practicing Yoga in earnest. (MMY's Gita page 363 HB) Unless you want to hobble along on one wheel..you'll still get there, it'll just take longer! Q: Which of the 8 limbs isn't inherent in every religion? A: Dyhana aka Transcendental Meditation Nor is samadhi...the eight limb, but dhyana is in Hinduism, Buddhism and others. Nope. Not at all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nablusos108 wrote: I have no strong opinion on Heaven or Hell. Perhaps those states of Bliss and Tamas excist, perhaps not. But if Hell excists I think this Paul Mason fellow is a strong candidate for a prolonged stay in one of those premises. I mean, spreading slander about an outstanding Saint for money ?? It's like a plea for a stay in an unpleasant place. IMO. To be subdued and treated by Tamas for a long period of time at least is a guarantee for not having to deal with this lowlife fellow in our next incarnation. So why didn't Maharishi teach us mantra shastra? Thats an interesting question. IMO Maharishi has from day one been rather demanding; take this knowledge without explanation or do something else. Either you trust him, or you do not. Those who trusted him and followed Maharishis suggestions never needed any shastras, it simply just worked. But teachers should know how it works. Mantra Shastra is the science of mantras. Why? The mantra-selection was rote. Assuming it has any validity at all, why do they need to know more than what they learned?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:06 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: BTW I am speaking from the 20th dimension. When the moon is in the Seventh House And Jupiter aligns with Mars ... Oh, sorry. Wrong dimension! Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is TM in this future?
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:48 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason I'm not talking about memorizing the Mantra Mahodadhi or anything like that. I'm talking about going over the science of mantras. I think some of the other gurus gave out some of that knowledge and not just to teachers. I would have thought that might have been included in getting a Vedic Phd. but apparently not. That seems to involve reading all the Vedic literature in Sanskrit, even though you don't know enough Sanskrit to understand what you're reading.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe
Hey Sal, When I get elected mayor of the 20th dimension you are on my short list for the inaugural kegger. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 19, 2007, at 8:06 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: BTW I am speaking from the 20th dimension. When the moon is in the Seventh House And Jupiter aligns with Mars ... Oh, sorry. Wrong dimension! Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:48 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason I'm not talking about memorizing the Mantra Mahodadhi or anything like that. I'm talking about going over the science of mantras. I think some of the other gurus gave out some of that knowledge and not just to teachers. I would have thought that might have been included in getting a Vedic Phd. but apparently not. That seems to involve reading all the Vedic literature in Sanskrit, even though you don't know enough Sanskrit to understand what you're reading. Read for the effect the reading has, rather than for intellectual meaning. A logical consequence of the claim that the vedic literature has sound value as its most important attribute.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What I Believe, Part II
Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Feb 19, 2007, at 3:17 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: * Sal will become the resident hottie of her rest home, and will be loved by all except the male nurses with bruises on their buttocks from all the pinching. Ha, ha--funny! When I was just a little girl I asked my mother, what will I be Will I be pretty, will I be rich Here's what she said to me. Que Sera, Sera, Whatever will be, will be The future's not ours, to see Que Sera, Sera What will be, will be. When I was young, I fell in love I asked my sweetheart what lies ahead Will we have rainbows, day after day Here's what my sweetheart said. Que Sera, Sera, Whatever will be, will be The future's not ours, to see Que Sera, Sera What will be, will be. Now I have children of my own They ask their mother, what will I be Will I be handsome, will I be rich I tell them tenderly. Que Sera, Sera, Whatever will be, will be The future's not ours, to see Que Sera, Sera What will be, will be. Doris Day Que Sera Sera BTW songwriters Jay Livingston and Ray Evans won an academy award for Best Original Song for writing this (it was their third academy award in that category). - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
[FairfieldLife] Remembering songwriter Ray Evans
Hit songwriter Ray Evans dies at 92 By Dennis McLellan, Times Staff Writer 1:27 PM PST, February 16, 2007 Audio Doris Day sings Whatever Will Be, Will Be (Que Sera, Sera) (MP3 audio) Audio Nat King Cole sings Mona Lisa (MP3 audio) Audio Bing Crosby and Carole Richards sing Silver Bells (MP3 audio) Tunesmith click to enlarge Oscar winners click to enlarge Ray Evans, whose long collaboration with songwriting partner Jay Livingston produced a string of hits that included the Oscar-winning Buttons and Bows, Mona Lisa and Whatever Will Be, Will Be (Que Sera, Sera), has died. He was 92. Evans, who teamed up with Livingston in the late 1930s, died of an apparent heart attack at UCLA Medical Center on Thursday evening, Frederick Nicholas, Evans' lawyer and the trustee of his estate, said today. Considered among Hollywood's greatest songwriters, Livingston and Evans wrote songs for dozens of movies, most of them at Paramount, where they were under contract from 1945 to 1955. With Livingston providing the melodies and Evans writing the lyrics, the team wrote 26 songs that reportedly sold more than 1 million copies each. Ray Evans, along with his late partner Jay Livingston, gave us some of the most enduring songs in the great American songbook, lyricist Alan Bergman told The Times today. We will miss him but know that his songs will live on. In addition to their three Oscar-winning songs, Livingston and Evans earned four other Oscar nominations for The Cat and the Canary from Why Girls Leave Home (1945); Tammy, sung by Debbie Reynolds in Tammy and the Bachelor (1957); Almost in Your Arms from Houseboat (1958), and Dear Heart from the movie of the same name (1964). Dear Heart, with lyrics credited to Livingston and Evans and music by Henry Mancini, became a big hit for Andy Williams. I just loved the record I made of 'Dear Heart,'. Williams told The Times today. Livingston and Evans were really part of the generation of songwriters that I loved, and I sang a lot of their songs over the years. I wasn't as close to them like I was to Johnny Mercer and Henry Mancini, but I certainly recognized their talent and how good they were at their craft of putting out great songs. Among Livingston and Evans' songs, which reportedly have sold a total of nearly 500 million copies, is the Christmas standard Silver Bells. Introduced in the 1951 Bob Hope-Marilyn Maxwell comedy The Lemon Drop Kid, Silver Bells is said to have been recorded by nearly 150 artists and has sold more than 160 million copies. The songwriting duo also wrote the memorable themes for the TV series Bonanza and Mr. Ed. Ray had a great ear for language, for the vernacular, which is something he had in common with many of the great lyricists, singer-pianist Michael Feinstein, who in 2002 released an album devoted to the Evans and Livingston songbook, told The Times a few years ago. He was able to distill a mood or a feeling into a song without it sounding clichéd, Feinstein said. He did not consider himself a sophisticated writer, but he knew how to express the thoughts, feelings and emotions of the common man in an eloquent way. The son of a secondhand paper, string and burlap dealer, Evans was born in Salamanca, N.Y., on Feb. 4, 1915. After graduating from high school, where he played clarinet in the school band and served as valedictorian, Evans earned a degree in economics from the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. While at the university, he met Livingston, a journalism major from Pennsylvania who had studied piano as a child. Evans joined Livingston's band, which played college dances and parties, and during school vacations they played together on cruise ship bands. After graduating in 1937, Evans and Livingston continued to work on cruise ships before moving to New York City, where they began their songwriting collaboration. They had their first success in 1941 when their song G'Bye Now was incorporated into Olsen and Johnson's zany Broadway revue Hellzapoppin'. and landed on Your Hit Parade. In 1944, the two songwriters came out to Hollywood, where they had a hit with Betty Hutton's recording of Stuff Like That There. They earned their first Oscar nomination with The Cat and the Canary. Under contract to Paramount, the duo wrote one of the biggest hits of 1946: the title song for the Olivia de Havilland movie To Each His Own, the basic framework of which began with Evans' phrase two lips must insist on two more to be kissed. For one week in 1946, five versions of To Each His Own were listed on Billboard's Top 10 list, with recordings by Eddy Howard (No. 1), Tony Martin, Freddy Martin, the Modernaires and the Ink Spots. Livingston and Evans picked up their first Oscar for the bouncy Buttons and Bows, which was introduced by Bob Hope in the 1948 comedy western The Paleface and was recorded by Dinah Shore,
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason
Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:48 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the fate of trash like Paul Mason I'm not talking about memorizing the Mantra Mahodadhi or anything like that. I'm talking about going over the science of mantras. I think some of the other gurus gave out some of that knowledge and not just to teachers. I would have thought that might have been included in getting a Vedic Phd. but apparently not. That seems to involve reading all the Vedic literature in Sanskrit, even though you don't know enough Sanskrit to understand what you're reading. Sutras are not considered complicated to read in Sanskrit since they are written as simple poetry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is TM in this future?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://mv.cgcommunity.com/ Probably not...it looks interesting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Separating Fact Fro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] By the way, Tom, speaking as someone who has actually met and worked with some real Yaqui shamans, I'd love to know how you ended up working with these REAL guys, since even people like Big Jim Griffith take decades of work to be accepted by them, especially after they were burned so nicely by Castaneda. Just being in the right place at the right time, in the company of the right person to make an introduction. In other words, sheer luck. But who the heck is Big Jim Griffith? What, miss the url that I just cut and paste from my original message? http://parentseyes.arizona.edu/msw/jsg_msw.html No, I was channeling one of the shamans who made him wait. :-) Er, yeah. Mention your name to the average SouthWest Indian and see how many recognize you. Mention Big Jim Griffith? I think you'll see a few more respond. Dude, get real. If some shamans made Jim wait, THERE WAS A REASON. The same things that impress you don't mean diddley to them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe, Part II
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq (aka Barry, Unc) has no desire to get everything *right*. He is Lost as he said ... You are obviously not following Lost, the television series. The latest episode, Flashes Before Your Eyes, is one of the best pieces of television I've ever seen. They've finally gotten us off that boring other island with its boring Kate, Jack and Sawyer soap opera nonsense and back into the world of Des and his strange odyssey, which now seems to have happened before, possibly an infinite number of times. See the things you guys miss by being all serious? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I Believe, Part II
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/19/2007 6:02:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Curtis will hook up with a gorgeous babe named Bambi who will suck the chrome off his favorite mouth harp and leave him for an investment banker named Sheldon. * Rick's karma for starting this forum will finally catch up to him, and he will be committed to a psych ward, where everyone will call him Vaj. * MDixon will be reborn as a liberal, and will feel guilty about it for that entire lifetime. * Willytex will contract a social disease from one of his prairie dog friends, and it will eat away the bridge of his nose. No one will notice. * Bhairitu will develop an intense Tantric relationship with his HD-DVD player, and as a consequence will have to explain to the paramedics how his penis got caught in the DVD slot. * Sal will become the resident hottie of her rest home, and will be loved by all except the male nurses with bruises on their buttocks from all the pinching. * Vaj will realize his full, to-the-max, fully-certified enlightenment, and will be somewhat disappointed by it. * Cardemaister will arrive in Heaven to find that no one there speaks Sanskrit, and will have to work for eternity as a translator. * Tom T. will be jailed for making Byron Katie puns, but will find love with a cellmate named Bubba. * Bob B. will have an epiphany and realize that the world's progress towards Sat Yuga is not being retarded by Maharishi to protect it from too fast a change, but because the world itself is retarded and couldn't care less about Sat Yuga. * Nablusos, upon his death, will ascend to the 12th dimension, and will look down on everyone there. * Peter Klutz will be reborn in a world in which every- one really IS out to get him. * Lou will be visiting Israel when the UFOs arrive, and will board a spaceship that bears the name, To Serve Man. * Jim will find that everything he's ever believed, about anything, is false, but will react by saying, Z. * Sparaig will become a noted scientist and will prove conclusively that white rats cause cancer. * Peter will make history by being the first Floridian to successfully psychoanalyze an alligator and live. * Judy will go to her grave never having seen Mel Gibson's 'Apocalypto, Gibson's 'Apocalypto,WBR' so that she was right about trashing it. * I will go watch the latest episode of Lost and identify with all of the characters simultaneously. Yes! You nailed it. I love this. Very creative and a good laugh for a change. Lsoma. Thanks for getting it. Like almost all funny writing, it just flowed off the keyboard -- no pauses, no edits -- in less than three minutes. I've always found that interjecting humor into a situation that far too many people are taking far too seriously is a great measure of spiritual seekers' flexibility, and their ability to shift their state of attention in a moment and laugh -- at themselves, at the things they sometimes take too seriously, and at the world they find themselves in. Those who can are worthy of conversing with; those who can't, well...
