[FairfieldLife] Re: The Light of Self Realization, plain and simple
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: date: June 20th, 1954 time: 3:28 AM place: 553 F Street, Chula Vista, California I was born in May 54. You may already know that Hagelin was born 11 days before you. 7'th May '54 here gullible - always heard that 1954 is considered vintage :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Light of Self Realization, plain and simple
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: date: June 20th, 1954 time: 3:28 AM place: 553 F Street, Chula Vista, California In that geocentric Western chart there's transiting Pluto approaching natal retrograde Capricorn Mars in the Eighth (Placidus) House... oh, shucks... :/ I think that transit shall be accurate in some three years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Belief is gods is silly. OffWorld Belief in humans is silly. The gods, over cocktails
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi, Lurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --If somebody is begging for $, then cash is really king. I beg to differ :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Light of Self Realization and Family Ties
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, thanks, your brother and I most likely did know each other; until the first governors descended from Switzerland and established the new order, Soboba was a very mellow place and the whole staff felt like family. My son was just an infant then and we lived in an apartment off the old bathhouse. It was a very fine time with lots of great memories. I used to teach a lot of residence courses there, too, so I probably knew him, by sight if nothing else. As Marek says, it was a fun place during the early 70s.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
The only guidance needed is one's own inner guidance. It's the nature of the human spirit to wake up. Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This looks like it could be kundalini awakening or attempting to awake - good to have proper guidance, this is not available in TM- it requres working directly with a kundalini master that has traversed the kundlini path from start to realization. In case you have not noticed, I am in the kundalini path but there are also other such masters that are capable to guide. Kundalini especially is active around 3 3o am, if it is an on going thing and not ocasional, then this may be the awakened kundalini- it cant be switched off- it can be the greatest blessing or greatest curse- most likely the former when proper guidance is in place --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ wrote: Off-World, this is absolutely exciting. I've always wanted to talk to someone who was having red-hot, metal-melting kundulini on an almost daily basis. I have so much I want to ask. So here goes, with inserted questions below. (For anyone who missed Off-World's fascinating post, I've also left the original intact at the bottom.) Off-World wrote: snip It is full of bliss, all-power, bright light, emptiness, and fear all at the same time. Very strange. Hmm. I don't feel fear or emptiness when I have the burning, although I don't like it when I want to fall asleep. Can you sleep when this is going on? It is like a half-way sleep, sometimes asleep, often woken up, and often aware of it during sleep. Sometimes softer, sometimes stronger. About the fear and emptiness ... what is it that's empty? What is the fear OF? That you will burn up? I The fear is of anihilation. It seems like anihilation, like something else could take over that is not me, but I have come to the point of facing that very powerful sense, and not fearing the fear so to speak. have considered sometimes that if the burning I feel got much more intense, it WOULD be scary -- I'd be afraid I was going to burn up. Do you think people CAN burn up from kundulini? I don't know. Part of what I am getting is that it could destroy me, but I decided to not be afraid of that. I suppose if a person thinks that they, as an individual, is important, then it defeats the part of the purpose of enlightenment, which is letting go of ego. So the paradox is that the fear is of annihilation, but humans naturally have a strong sense of self preservation, and unless they aceept the possibility of total annihilation of the soul, then they are still atached to their own ego. It is normal to fear annihilation of the soul I think, but I have decided that is a barrier to my evolution, and so I decided to never fear that natural fear anymore. My one weensy soul is not important to the universe, so why not risk it. People who've died of spontaneous combustion -- do you think that's what it was all about? Not sure, could be related, it sometimes actuall feels like that could happen, but I don't think this would happen with most people, if it were a potential. My take on the fear thing is that while it's present with kundulini at times, it is not kundulini itself but rather a person's resistance to it, their doubting of it. By itself, kudulini is power and fire and beautiful. It is the trumpet call that wakes the spirit and calls the body to new life. Maybe that's what the angel's trumpet call symbolizes in the Book of Revelations. Maybe,and I think fear is necessary. You cannot annihilate fear. It is natural to the universe. I heard Maharishi explain once that the infinity is afraid of being annihilated by the point value and visa- versa, so it is inbuilt into the dynamics of existence. The 3 in 1 structure of consciousness (Being) is a direct result of this reverberation as one extreme expands to the other, and back. I did not get, nor accept, Maharishi's answer at that time(to a purusha guy's question about how he was percieving fear within the transcndent or something like that). In fact, I was annoyed by this talk of fear, and ignored it. But now, I can see the importance of it. It is a wonderful thing. So I am starting to think of fear as an energy, it is just that humans and other animals use that energy as a tool of practical life, such that it becomes ingrained as something negative. But we need to pull back and see the big picture. It is an energy, and I think that yogis learn to transform (not annihilate, or ignore) that energy into power. Just a thought. Could be wrong though. The purification is like a hot metal rod burning, but it is not damaging or painful, only healing. Oftentimes (3 or 4 times a week), it fills most of my sleeping night
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
About the fear and emptiness ... what is it that's empty? What is the fear OF? That you will burn up? I The fear is of anihilation. It seems like anihilation, like something else could take over that is not me, but I have come to the point of facing that very powerful sense, and not fearing the fear so to speak. I think I have the same fear only I experience it differently. I don't fear that I as a person could be annihilated but that my body could be. And I fear that the fire I have to walk through is too strange, that I'll be completely scrambled and come out completely different on the other side. Sort of like how I suppose I'd feel if someone were going to beam me up for the first time in a Star Trek scenario. I don't know. Part of what I am getting is that it could destroy me, but I decided to not be afraid of that. I suppose if a person thinks that they, as an individual, is important, then it defeats the part of the purpose of enlightenment, which is letting go of ego. So the paradox is that the fear is of annihilation, but humans naturally have a strong sense of self preservation, and unless they aceept the possibility of total annihilation of the soul, then they are still atached to their own ego. It is normal to fear annihilation of the soul I think, but I have decided that is a barrier to my evolution, and so I decided to never fear that natural fear anymore. My one weensy soul is not important to the universe, so why not risk it. I think you're very courageous for moving through the fear. But I don't think it's at all true that your precious soul is not important to the universe. That's like saying the branch is not important to the tree. The tree needs the branch, it's a part of itself. Even when the branch realizes it is tree, it will always still be branch, and important as such. It just will have a much broader vision. Maybe,and I think fear is necessary. You cannot annihilate fear. It is natural to the universe. I heard Maharishi explain once that the infinity is afraid of being annihilated by the point value and visa- versa, so it is inbuilt into the dynamics of existence. The 3 in 1 structure of consciousness (Being) is a direct result of this reverberation as one extreme expands to the other, and back. I did not get, nor accept, Maharishi's answer at that time(to a purusha guy's question about how he was percieving fear within the transcndent or something like that). In fact, I was annoyed by this talk of fear, and ignored it. But now, I can see the importance of it. It is a wonderful thing. So I am starting to think of fear as an energy, it is just that humans and other animals use that energy as a tool of practical life, such that it becomes ingrained as something negative. But we need to pull back and see the big picture. It is an energy, and I think that yogis learn to transform (not annihilate, or ignore) that energy into power. I like that last part -- that fear is just an energy and that yogis learn to transform it into power. I think you're onto something here. I don't agree that fear is intrinsic to life though or anything like that. To me, fear is the gap, the g in Agni (if you remember MMY's teaching on that). It's the place Consciousness fell into when it manifested into diversity. First there was just wholeness, then it went to express. As it started to split into myriad forms, it got scared, feeling separate and alone and unsure. It felt detached from its Source. So all creation developed with fear at its very core, at its very heart. When we go backwards, reclimbing the stair, we experience the fear in our core again -- very consciously -- right before we reattain the wholeness. In making the fear conscious and moving forward anyway, we dissolve it and are freed. That's my intuitive feeling about it anyway. I cannot be sure it should be called kundalini. It is very powerful and extreme and hits the brain like a bolt of electricity, but bright and purifying. Well, I'm convinced it's kundulini. What else could it be? I let it do its thing. I have always felt it was a good thing (though sometimes I was scared of the annihilation sense), and it ALWAYS ends in a sweet bathing of bliss for and hour or more. You inspire me with your courage and your trust in the goodness and naturalness of the experience. What you've said will help me to do the same. Not that I have it all the time like you do, but when it's there, I will be more willing. I just let it do its thing and I like it. Yes, that's the ticket. It's the Self unfolding the Self to the self. Yes, and that sense of that immortal being that I get, I cannot even call it 'me' at all. I just can't see that, and that is where that fear of annihilation comes in. But I decided that 'me' is nothing important, and to just go with it when it comes. I always still
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kilogram losing mass
snip Judy wrote: Actually, that the earth is losing its magnetic field *is* mainstream; see this article on CNN.com from 2003: http://tinyurl. com/yzfv Apparently the loss has been measured since 1945. Judy wrote: The fringe aspect has to do with what the loss *means*. Most mainstream scientists don't think it necessarily means an imminent reversal of the poles, much less a reversal of the earth's rotation. (And if the earth's rotation were slowing down preparatory to stopping and reversing, it would be observable on a gross level because the length of a day would increase. If the reversal were going to happen in 2012, we would already be very well aware of it.) Bronte: I've wondered about that point myself, but how about this angle? If you take a pendalum hanging from a string and spin it, it goes a while in one direction. Then, to my recollection (I haven't done this recently), it suddenly stops, pauses a second, then starts spinning full-speed in the other direction. There is no slowing down in the process of stopping, it just stops and reverses. Maybe it's like that for the earth twirling in space -- reaching the end of whatever force sent it spinning in the first place, then experiencing the reaction to that spin in the form of reverse direction. I just tried to make a pendalum to experiment with this, to make sure I'm remembering correctly, but I don't have the right stuff to do it with. My girlfriend has a pendalum, and I've got a call in to her to ask her to spin the thing and see if it slows down prior to reversal. Judy: I've never heard this! Please let us know what you find out. Very intriguing. Bronte: I experimented with a couple of different pendalums, and here's what happened when I spun them. They went real fast in one direction, then slowed suddenly, paused, held the stillness, then reversed, twirly slowly for a tad then fast again, only not quite as fast as before. Each time the reversal happened, the pendalum twirled more slowly than the last twirl. All that's to be expected, of course. But what I didn't expect was that when the thing was spinning fast, it slowed for longer before its stop than it did when it was spinning more slowly. In other words, the slower the spin, the more sudden the stop. So I wonder, how many times has the earth done a spin and reverse? (If any.) If this has happened multiple times, she could be rotating slowly enough now that the next stop will be quite sudden. The clocks being off (because the day lasts longer than it's supposed to last) might not start happening until quite close to December 21, 2012, I surmise. What do you think, Judy? authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Judy wrote: Actually, that the earth is losing its magnetic field *is* mainstream; see this article on CNN.com from 2003: http://tinyurl. com/yzfv Apparently the loss has been measured since 1945. Bronte: Didn't know that. Thanks! You seem quite scientifically informed, Judy. Do you do work in science for a living? Nope, afraid not. I have a broad interest in science, but it's pretty shallow. In this case, I vaguely remembered reading something awhile back about the loss of the magnetic field in some newspaper, so I googled earth losing its magnetic field and came up with the CNN story. (Practically any headline with Mystery in it will get my attention, especially if it's a scientific mystery.) Judy wrote: The fringe aspect has to do with what the loss *means*. Most mainstream scientists don't think it necessarily means an imminent reversal of the poles, much less a reversal of the earth's rotation. (And if the earth's rotation were slowing down preparatory to stopping and reversing, it would be observable on a gross level because the length of a day would increase. If the reversal were going to happen in 2012, we would already be very well aware of it.) Bronte: I've wondered about that point myself, but how about this angle? If you take a pendalum hanging from a string and spin it, it goes a while in one direction. Then, to my recollection (I haven't done this recently), it suddenly stops, pauses a second, then starts spinning full-speed in the other direction. There is no slowing down in the process of stopping, it just stops and reverses. Maybe it's like that for the earth twirling in space -- reaching the end of whatever force sent it spinning in the first place, then experiencing the reaction to that spin in the form of reverse direction. I just tried to make a pendalum to experiment with this, to make sure I'm remembering correctly, but I don't have the right stuff to do it with. My girlfriend has a pendalum, and I've got a call in to her to ask her to spin the thing and see if it slows down prior to reversal. I've never heard this! Please let us know what you find out.
[FairfieldLife] heyaM duHkham anaagatam?
How does one avoid anaagataM duHkham (II 16)? By breaking the connection between the Seer and the Seen?? Perhaps not: draSTR (seer)-dRshyayoH (seen) saMyogo (association) heya-hetuH (to-be-avoided - cause) (II 17).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Predictions
--- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AAAWWW... I'm sorry, what was that? My portal must have been closed. Hey, speaking of predictions, where's the guy on here who predicted MMY croaking in july or August? Time for some crow??? I believe it was Lsoma who made that prediction. I checked, and he is no longer subscribed to FFL. My recollection is that he stopped posting here after people took offense at some comment he made. You sure he didn't leave Earth on a Pleiadian spacecraft? :) Hmmm? Good question, let me channel St. Germaine for a moment to find out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation
The gods need humans to invent things like cocktails. --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Belief is gods is silly. OffWorld Belief in humans is silly. The gods, over cocktails To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The gods need humans to invent things like cocktails. Wouldn't that be a cool thing to have on your resume? Bartender, the Samadhi bar at the Brahmaloka Hilton: * Designed, mixed and served cocktails from the finest * lokas in the universe for consumption by gods and * goddesses. All done without the extra two sets of * arms that my customers have. --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Belief is gods is silly. OffWorld Belief in humans is silly. The gods, over cocktails To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only guidance needed is one's own inner guidance. It's the nature of the human spirit to wake up. My comments, coming from my path will mirror that of Ramana Maharishi's admonisions. Regarding a mentor or Guru, it is 100% that one will need this for unfolding enlightenment. Some very rare one's will do it on their own. It is ego which declares a Guru is not needed, or even I am that rare one - after all, Ramana did it this way and so can I. Why? because one in darkness needs light- and the light is just not there. If it were, then one wouldn't be in darkness.The Guru is the one that has traversed the journey from start to Realization, having gone through it, they are the light to show others. In my path, it is not that they desire to be guru or step forward to do so, they are commissioned by their own Guru's to do so.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kilogram losing mass
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Judy wrote: Actually, that the earth is losing its magnetic field *is* mainstream; see this article on CNN.com from 2003: http://tinyurl. com/yzfv Apparently the loss has been measured since 1945. Judy wrote: The fringe aspect has to do with what the loss *means*. Most mainstream scientists don't think it necessarily means an imminent reversal of the poles, much less a reversal of the earth's rotation. (And if the earth's rotation were slowing down preparatory to stopping and reversing, it would be observable on a gross level because the length of a day would increase. If the reversal were going to happen in 2012, we would already be very well aware of it.) Bronte: I've wondered about that point myself, but how about this angle? If you take a pendalum hanging from a string and spin it, it goes a while in one direction. Then, to my recollection (I haven't done this recently), it suddenly stops, pauses a second, then starts spinning full-speed in the other direction. There is no slowing down in the process of stopping, it just stops and reverses. Maybe it's like that for the earth twirling in space -- reaching the end of whatever force sent it spinning in the first place, then experiencing the reaction to that spin in the form of reverse direction. I just tried to make a pendalum to experiment with this, to make sure I'm remembering correctly, but I don't have the right stuff to do it with. My girlfriend has a pendalum, and I've got a call in to her to ask her to spin the thing and see if it slows down prior to reversal. Judy: I've never heard this! Please let us know what you find out. Very intriguing. Bronte: I experimented with a couple of different pendalums, and here's what happened when I spun them. They went real fast in one direction, then slowed suddenly, paused, held the stillness, then reversed, twirly slowly for a tad then fast again, only not quite as fast as before. Each time the reversal happened, the pendalum twirled more slowly than the last twirl. All that's to be expected, of course. But what I didn't expect was that when the thing was spinning fast, it slowed for longer before its stop than it did when it was spinning more slowly. In other words, the slower the spin, the more sudden the stop. So I wonder, how many times has the earth done a spin and reverse? (If any.) If this has happened multiple times, she could be rotating slowly enough now that the next stop will be quite sudden. The clocks being off (because the day lasts longer than it's supposed to last) might not start happening until quite close to December 21, 2012, I surmise. What do you think, Judy? Well, to start with, I think I was confused as to what you meant by spinning. You mean spinning *in place*, right? If so, isn't it the string it's suspended by winding up and then unwinding that causes the weight to stop spinning and change direction? If I've got that right now, I'm having trouble understanding what the equivalent of the string would be in the case of the earth, and what it would be attached to at the other end. Also, the earth's axis that it rotates around has a wobble, like a top (actually several different wobbles), which would have to mean whatever the equivalent is of what the string is attached to moves around in gigantic circles. Plus which, the winding and unwinding of the string is a function of the weight at the end of the string, i.e., the gravitational pull of the earth. What the equivalent of that would be if the earth is the weight at the end of the string, I don't know. Also, I don't think there's any scientific evidence that the earth's rotation has ever reversed itself in the past. The magnetic poles, yes, but not the rotation. And in any case, the earth's rotation has been slowing down very gradually for hundreds of millions of years (a day used to be 18 hours) from the gravitational pull of the moon. So I gotta say, color me skeptical! But an interesting exercise nonetheless.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kilogram losing mass
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bronte: I've wondered about that point myself, but how about this angle? If you take a pendalum hanging from a string and spin it, it goes a while in one direction. Then, to my recollection (I haven't done this recently), it suddenly stops, pauses a second, then starts spinning full-speed in the other direction Are you talking about a pendulum or a gyroscope? Gyroscopes are seriously odd things, and can lose weight when spun up, and provide reactionless force. Have a look at this: http://www.gyroscopes.org/1974lecture.asp and google for eric laithwaite. This guy did a lecture for the prestigious Royal Society, and passed a heavy spinning gyroscope to the audience. Nobody could pick it up when it was stationary. This lecture was expunged from the record. Mix in magnetic fields, homopolar generators, electrostatic charges and you start looking at ufo design propositions. Then, take a stiff whiskey, and, if you dare, google for boeing, antigravity and patent. You can chuck B2 into the mix. Uns.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation
On Sep 16, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Bronte Baxter wrote: I think it dismisses way too much to reduce the gods to qualities of consciousness. In the sense that we are all just qualities of consciousness, I suppose you could say that's true. But in the practical sense, the gods are unique individuals, no different that way than a flesh-and-blood person. They simply exist on a dimension that is vibrating faster than this one and therefore not visible to the eye. Just glancing over it, it smells of TMO reductionism. It makes westerners feel more at ease or as if there is no form corresponding to the sound (of the bija) that they'd have to worry about.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kilogram losing mass
Bronte, You might find it interesting to google this issue. I'm thinking you don't understand the difference between the magnetic poles switching and the ball, that the earth is, suddenly switching the direction of its spinning. It is apples and oranges. If the earth-ball switches, the crust of the earth will instantly melt from the friction. The magnetic poles, on the other hand, have and do switch ALL THE TIME -- pilots, ship captains, etc. have to always consult the latest measurements to determine true geological north from magnetic north of today. If the earth were to be shrunk down to the size of a billiard ball, your fingers would not be sensitive enough to feel Mt. Everest as a bump on it's surface, and the oceans would be a very thin film of moisture to your touch. Everest and ocean are merely 5/8000ths of the diameter of the earth. The crust of the earth is solid only a few miles deep, and then, the whole ball is molten. If such a ball were in your hands, the outer shell/crust would break from your slightest squeeze. We're on a very very thin layer of rock riding on hell fires. These fires would be opened to the air/space if the crust were to suddenly shift from spinning at a 1000 MPH in one direction to another -- imagine mountains smashing into mountains at 1000 MPH -- everything melts in the grinder. Everything means the entire crust -- nothing would survive -- not even bacteria. The atmosphere, oceans, and crust would all be gone -- 2500 degrees and poof. If anyone is going to survive long enough to see the light, then the 2012 switch that is anticipated, IMO, has to be something astral rather than some catastrophe on the material level. The sun rising twice or as it is said in the bible the sun stopping in the sky, can only be possible if the earth is subjected to an incredible smack from, say, a mars sized hunk of rock. The biggest strikes in earth's history have almost never caused a significant shift in the earth's spin -- too small an event. The biggest hit earth ever took was probably the time our moon was formed by such a collision between the earth a mars sized rock. There's many possible reasons the kilogram could be losing mass, and they're only beginning to try to understand that. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! That IS news! I'm no scientist but it sounds pretty freaky indeed! I don't find it unsettling though. If it's true that the planet is moving into a new age, and all of us with it, this could be part of the transformation of matter. I wonder why it's happening? I've read other places that the earth is slowing losing its magnetism (nothing mainstream here, but private unapproved scientists have been saying so). Maybe that's related to the kilogram thing somehow. Some people think the earth is losing its magnetism because it's slowing its rotation, getting ready to stop and reverse its direction on December 21, 2012. This would not cause objects to fly off the planet, they state, because gravity holds us here, not the earth's rotation. There's some evidence in ancient texts of several cultures that suggest the earth reversing rotational direction happened in the past. For instance, one scripture (I forget from where) speaks of the day the sun rose twice and another describes a period when the sun rose in the west and set in the east. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is downright eerie. I'm not quite sure why I find it more unsettling than most other natural mysteries that scientists are constantly stumbling across. Shrinking kilogram bewilders physicists By JAMEY KEATEN, Associated Press Writer Wed Sep 12, 5:32 PM ET A kilogram just isn't what it used to be. The 118-year-old cylinder that is the international prototype for the metric mass, kept tightly under lock and key outside Paris, is mysteriously losing weight [Not weight, mass!--JS] if ever so slightly. Physicist Richard Davis of the International Bureau of Weights and Measures in Sevres, southwest of Paris, says the reference kilo appears to have lost 50 micrograms compared with the average of dozens of copies. The mystery is that they were all made of the same material, and many were made at the same time and kept under the same conditions, and yet the masses among them are slowly drifting apart, he said. We don't really have a good hypothesis for it. The kilogram's uncertainty could affect even countries that don't use the metric system it is the ultimate weight standard for the U.S. customary system, where it equals 2.2 pounds. For scientists, the inconstant metric constant is a nuisance, threatening calculation of things like electricity generation. Read more at Yahoo News: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070912/ap_on_sc/shrinking_kilogram http://tinyurl.com/yo6p9t The comments at Digg.com are fun:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kilogram losing mass
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip There's many possible reasons the kilogram could be losing mass, and they're only beginning to try to understand that. What are some of the possible reasons? (BTW, at this point Bronte and I were just talking about the earth's rotation, not the one reference kilogram losing mass. We realized any large-scale changes would affect all the kilogram measures, not just a single one. But the pendulum/rotation question was interesting on its own terms, so we were pursuing it independently of the kilogram question.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 16, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Bronte Baxter wrote: I think it dismisses way too much to reduce the gods to qualities of consciousness. In the sense that we are all just qualities of consciousness, I suppose you could say that's true. But in the practical sense, the gods are unique individuals, no different that way than a flesh-and-blood person. They simply exist on a dimension that is vibrating faster than this one and therefore not visible to the eye. Just glancing over it, it smells of TMO reductionism. Better clean out your nose, Vaj. It's not just a TMO notion by any means. It makes westerners feel more at ease or as if there is no form corresponding to the sound (of the bija) that they'd have to worry about.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
Some remarkable cropcircles from july/august 2007; http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2007/sept_07_pictures.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: heyaM duHkham anaagatam?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does one avoid anaagataM duHkham (II 16)? By breaking the connection between the Seer and the Seen?? Perhaps not: draSTR (seer)-dRshyayoH (seen) saMyogo (association) heya-hetuH (to-be-avoided - cause) (II 17). You did not answer my question, a finnish girl said that to me on TTC - must mean something !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation
On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:24 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 16, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Bronte Baxter wrote: I think it dismisses way too much to reduce the gods to qualities of consciousness. In the sense that we are all just qualities of consciousness, I suppose you could say that's true. But in the practical sense, the gods are unique individuals, no different that way than a flesh-and-blood person. They simply exist on a dimension that is vibrating faster than this one and therefore not visible to the eye. Just glancing over it, it smells of TMO reductionism. Better clean out your nose, Vaj. It's not just a TMO notion by any means. Nor did I indicate it was. It's been a popular trend since at least Aurobindo, but possibly a Vaishnavite trend which is much older. I tend to associate this trend to British raj Vaishnavite trends though, esp. in regard to westerners. TMO probably takes the cake though in regards to such distortions. Restoring the purity of the tradition? LOL, tell it to someone else.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:24 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Sep 16, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Bronte Baxter wrote: I think it dismisses way too much to reduce the gods to qualities of consciousness. In the sense that we are all just qualities of consciousness, I suppose you could say that's true. But in the practical sense, the gods are unique individuals, no different that way than a flesh-and-blood person. They simply exist on a dimension that is vibrating faster than this one and therefore not visible to the eye. Just glancing over it, it smells of TMO reductionism. Better clean out your nose, Vaj. It's not just a TMO notion by any means. Nor did I indicate it was. Well, yes, you did. You said It smells of TMO reductionism, not It smells of the reductionism that's been a popular trend since at least Aurobindo, but possibly a Vaishnavite trend which is much older. (Not to mention that reductionism is a pretty odd term to describe it. Check Mr. Dictionary.) It's been a popular trend since at least Aurobindo, but possibly a Vaishnavite trend which is much older. I tend to associate this trend to British raj Vaishnavite trends though, esp. in regard to westerners. TMO probably takes the cake though in regards to such distortions. Or not. And of course it may well not be distortions. The distortion may be the personifications rather than the abstractions. Restoring the purity of the tradition? LOL, tell it to someone else. You tell it to someone else, Vaj. I didn't say it, you did.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
And here's one that was just discovered in Michigan: http://www.gullmeadowfarms.com/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some remarkable cropcircles from july/august 2007; http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2007/sept_07_pictures.htm
[FairfieldLife] Advaita and the meat robot (Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything)
new.morning wrote: I am particularly interested in the one for which a particular type of passivity is the prescription to most things. authfriend wrote: I don't recall anyone here ever expressing such a prescription. (snip) But I'd be surprised if anyone here would defend it. Edg: I read in, er, maybe the Srimad Bhagavatam, that if everything was understood, then one should just lay down on the ground and stop living -- only eating like a snake who must wait for food to come to it. Something like that. Pure passivity. I love the concept as a variant of the God's Will concept. If God wants me to save the world, well, he'll have use His ooogabooga brain to figure it out -- He won't be counting on my local nervous system with its parochial, partial, pitifully limited POV to come up with the insight needed to save the world. A meat robot has to be directly and divinely inspired as to where and when it might deliver an Alexandrian cut to the world's Gordian Knot. Divinely means, sorta, coming from a source of information that is only available to a robot that has become aware of the least aspects of its programming.ritam level, God-conscious level -- like that. The enlightened robot is one in which the ego part has finally got it that it is merely the I functionality of robot's programming and that it, ego functionality, is not the actual observer of the robot's thoughts, but that, instead, an outside presence, awareness, consciousness observes all of the robot's inner and outer actions and that this presence no longer identifies with the robot's ego. What the robot comes up with next is something the robot is usually unable to predict, and it is something the outside observer is unattached to -- as a movie screen is unattached to the happenings upon it. So, the observer is always there but it is seemingly passive about what the robot does when the robot ego is invalidated and no longer considered sentient. Once the observer recognizes -- re + cognizes -- its non-robotness, the entire world of the robot becomes entirely unimportant and insignificant regarding the observer's eternal and transcendental status. The observer understands that all this is as ephemeral as the shadows on the walls of Plato's Cave. That is to say, exactly like each of us experiences when we awaken in the morning and consider the value of our night's experiences while dreaming -- who cares if I just won the lottery in the dream? -- dream money don't count no how in wake retail shops. Like an airplane propeller that still spins when the engine has been shut off, the robot's programming continues spinning its story, until the robot's programming begins to come to terms and begins to deal with this presence, and thus it begins to refine its programming towards silence. The robot begins to have clarity about its subtleties. Issues of the robot world begin to pale and drop into the background, and the robot begins to manifest symbols of the growing silence with whatever words and actions it can muster up. Like the villagers who try to help Baby Krisna hold up the mountain with their sticks, the robot tries to help silence do its thang in just this manner. Nothing really needs to be done by anyone, but everyone wants to help even if it's merely symbolic helping. Just so, does the robot continue after enlightenment. The heart values begin to dominate until love is seen in every nook and cranny, and then, finally, after coming to clarity about its god-like programming delicacy, the robot can finally begin to see its harmony with the quantum foam that now becomes its new ego. Unity dawns. Then, even this unity comes to understand that it is a manifestation too, and that the quantum foam is held in the arms of silence complete, and that all this is that silence. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is a robot that claims it is in tune with the foam, but the Ramana Maharshi robot teaches tune schmune -- the real deal is the silence beyond -- a silence that is merely symbolized by awareness, consciousness, existence, conceptuality. Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation
On Sep 17, 2007, at 11:20 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:24 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Sep 16, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Bronte Baxter wrote: I think it dismisses way too much to reduce the gods to qualities of consciousness. In the sense that we are all just qualities of consciousness, I suppose you could say that's true. But in the practical sense, the gods are unique individuals, no different that way than a flesh-and-blood person. They simply exist on a dimension that is vibrating faster than this one and therefore not visible to the eye. Just glancing over it, it smells of TMO reductionism. Better clean out your nose, Vaj. It's not just a TMO notion by any means. Nor did I indicate it was. Well, yes, you did. You said It smells of TMO reductionism, not It smells of the reductionism that's been a popular trend since at least Aurobindo, but possibly a Vaishnavite trend which is much older. Uh, no I did not say it was ONLY from the TMO (nor did I intend to). Stop trying to twist people intentions as if you knew what they were.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Light of Self Realization and Family Ties
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Jim, thanks, your brother and I most likely did know each other; until the first governors descended from Switzerland and established the new order, Soboba was a very mellow place and the whole staff felt like family. My son was just an infant then and we lived in an apartment off the old bathhouse. It was a very fine time with lots of great memories. I used to teach a lot of residence courses there, too, so I probably knew him, by sight if nothing else. As Marek says, it was a fun place during the early 70s. What a small world!-- yeah, it sounded like a great place. So far as I know, Bill left there before the fun did-- he sent me some pictures of it once and it looked like the classic spanish mission style retreat.:-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:24 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles And here's one that was just discovered in Michigan: HYPERLINK http://www.gullmeadowfarms.com/http://www.gullmeadowfarms.com/ Service Unavailable There’s a lady in FF who’s really into crop circles. She’s Marlene Stanley, Alex Stanley’s sister-in-law, wife of Raja Tom of the Kingdom of Denver. She gave a presentation recently and has some interesting stories to tell. I’ll try to tell them later as time allows. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: 9/16/2007 6:32 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Advaita and the meat robot (Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything)
Really wonderful exposition, Edg. Thank you. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: new.morning wrote: I am particularly interested in the one for which a particular type of passivity is the prescription to most things. authfriend wrote: I don't recall anyone here ever expressing such a prescription. (snip) But I'd be surprised if anyone here would defend it. Edg: I read in, er, maybe the Srimad Bhagavatam, that if everything was understood, then one should just lay down on the ground and stop living -- only eating like a snake who must wait for food to come to it. Something like that. Pure passivity. I love the concept as a variant of the God's Will concept. If God wants me to save the world, well, he'll have use His ooogabooga brain to figure it out -- He won't be counting on my local nervous system with its parochial, partial, pitifully limited POV to come up with the insight needed to save the world. A meat robot has to be directly and divinely inspired as to where and when it might deliver an Alexandrian cut to the world's Gordian Knot. Divinely means, sorta, coming from a source of information that is only available to a robot that has become aware of the least aspects of its programming.ritam level, God-conscious level -- like that. The enlightened robot is one in which the ego part has finally got it that it is merely the I functionality of robot's programming and that it, ego functionality, is not the actual observer of the robot's thoughts, but that, instead, an outside presence, awareness, consciousness observes all of the robot's inner and outer actions and that this presence no longer identifies with the robot's ego. What the robot comes up with next is something the robot is usually unable to predict, and it is something the outside observer is unattached to -- as a movie screen is unattached to the happenings upon it. So, the observer is always there but it is seemingly passive about what the robot does when the robot ego is invalidated and no longer considered sentient. Once the observer recognizes -- re + cognizes -- its non-robotness, the entire world of the robot becomes entirely unimportant and insignificant regarding the observer's eternal and transcendental status. The observer understands that all this is as ephemeral as the shadows on the walls of Plato's Cave. That is to say, exactly like each of us experiences when we awaken in the morning and consider the value of our night's experiences while dreaming -- who cares if I just won the lottery in the dream? -- dream money don't count no how in wake retail shops. Like an airplane propeller that still spins when the engine has been shut off, the robot's programming continues spinning its story, until the robot's programming begins to come to terms and begins to deal with this presence, and thus it begins to refine its programming towards silence. The robot begins to have clarity about its subtleties. Issues of the robot world begin to pale and drop into the background, and the robot begins to manifest symbols of the growing silence with whatever words and actions it can muster up. Like the villagers who try to help Baby Krisna hold up the mountain with their sticks, the robot tries to help silence do its thang in just this manner. Nothing really needs to be done by anyone, but everyone wants to help even if it's merely symbolic helping. Just so, does the robot continue after enlightenment. The heart values begin to dominate until love is seen in every nook and cranny, and then, finally, after coming to clarity about its god-like programming delicacy, the robot can finally begin to see its harmony with the quantum foam that now becomes its new ego. Unity dawns. Then, even this unity comes to understand that it is a manifestation too, and that the quantum foam is held in the arms of silence complete, and that all this is that silence. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is a robot that claims it is in tune with the foam, but the Ramana Maharshi robot teaches tune schmune -- the real deal is the silence beyond -- a silence that is merely symbolized by awareness, consciousness, existence, conceptuality. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Movie- Across the Universe
Saw the movie, 'Across the Universe' last night. Loved the first half, but the second half was flat and I came away thinking that perhaps the movie was filmed sequentially, from first scene to finale; and that perhaps funding dried up mid-way through production, which depleted the ability of the producer and director to continue the first half of the movie's high-level choreography and cohesive theme progressions. Of course, I was curious as to how the title song would be presented. I was very disappointed. Hint: The song 'Across the Universe' becomes progressively overdubbed by the song 'Helter Skelter' during visuals of Vietnam and anti-war protestors' confrontation with police. Dialogue was minimal during the first half of the movie. In the second, it seemed to predominate. The conclusion reminds one more of a traditional romantic movie, rather than a review of the cultural and historical significance of the era. -Mainstream
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kilogram losing mass
Judy, I'm not a scientist, but there are many reasons for a measurement to change -- usually human error is involved. That would be my first looksee at the issue. Could be something as goofy as the janitor licks the bar when no one is looking. The missing mass is equal to what a fingerprint would be composed of. Maybe someone wiped the bar especially well!!! ;-) Mass can spontaneously dissolve -- usually it takes trillions of years though. Cosmic rays can chip off chunks of the kilogram, but why either of these processes would be affecting one bar and not the exact copies is where the mystery arises. A hunk of molten iron flowing under the crust could alter the gravity under the measurement devices. For instance, when we landed on the moon, there were mass-cons -- concentrations of particularly heavy material -- that made for tricky navigation during the landing -- gravity's pull increases and decreases depending on what's underneath. (Sorta like what Maharishi is saying when he says the minerals of the land determine the personality of the culture.) So, yeah, I don't know the answer, and I don't know that my reasons above are at the top of the list of possible reasons, but one thing I am certain of is that a physical cause is way more likely than an oogabooga cause. When Y2K loomed, I ran around like Chicken Little, and nothing happened. So, don't expect me to get anywhere near that kind of frenetic obsessiveness with a kilogram losing mass and screaming to the world that the sky is falling. If the rapture is coming, I think there won't be any warning signs. BAM!!! Done. Like that. 2 Peter 3:9-11 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. Pretty scary to me! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: snip There's many possible reasons the kilogram could be losing mass, and they're only beginning to try to understand that. What are some of the possible reasons? (BTW, at this point Bronte and I were just talking about the earth's rotation, not the one reference kilogram losing mass. We realized any large-scale changes would affect all the kilogram measures, not just a single one. But the pendulum/rotation question was interesting on its own terms, so we were pursuing it independently of the kilogram question.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie- Across the Universe
I saw the Cirque de Soleil Beatles thingy entitiled LOVE. Thousands of props and costumes, tons of visual graphics shown on huge screens, hundreds of gymnastic stunts, dozens upon dozens of artifacts of Brit-culture, song after song re-mastered. It all felt wrong. They just didn't give me my Beatles. Very very disappointed -- especially since I ponied up $300 for two tickets. Once in Italy, I heard an Italian military band give a group of tourists a public-square performance of The Star Spangled Banner, and they messed it up so badly it was almost unrecognizable. You hadda be there is the problem. Whoever wrote this Across the Universe thingy probably had the same challenge -- very hard to get there from anywhere else -- only the Beatles could pull off being Jack Kennedysomething like that. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saw the movie, 'Across the Universe' last night. Loved the first half, but the second half was flat and I came away thinking that perhaps the movie was filmed sequentially, from first scene to finale; and that perhaps funding dried up mid-way through production, which depleted the ability of the producer and director to continue the first half of the movie's high-level choreography and cohesive theme progressions. Of course, I was curious as to how the title song would be presented. I was very disappointed. Hint: The song 'Across the Universe' becomes progressively overdubbed by the song 'Helter Skelter' during visuals of Vietnam and anti-war protestors' confrontation with police. Dialogue was minimal during the first half of the movie. In the second, it seemed to predominate. The conclusion reminds one more of a traditional romantic movie, rather than a review of the cultural and historical significance of the era. -Mainstream
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
There's a lady in FF who's really into crop circles. She's Marlene Stanley, Alex Stanley's sister-in-law, wife of Raja Tom of the Kingdom of Denver. She gave a presentation recently and has some interesting stories to tell. I'll try to tell them later as time allows. I hope you do Rick because I really don't get the crop circles thing. The pics Nab posted look like laser cutouts on wood panels when I blow them up in Photoshop. Judy's maze crop cutouts are what cutout crops look like. Many of the pics I have seen look like a simple Photoshop layers imposition of an image onto a picture of a field. I guess I am missing the link of someone on the ground we can trust telling us what we are looking at. Of course the jump from We don't know what caused this to We do know what caused this and it is aliens is gunna be an even harder jump for me, but I would like to start with the support basis for the pictures themselves. How are they distinguishing them for Photoshopped pics? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:24 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles And here's one that was just discovered in Michigan: HYPERLINK http://www.gullmeadowfarms.com/http://www.gullmeadowfarms.com/ Service Unavailable There's a lady in FF who's really into crop circles. She's Marlene Stanley, Alex Stanley's sister-in-law, wife of Raja Tom of the Kingdom of Denver. She gave a presentation recently and has some interesting stories to tell. I'll try to tell them later as time allows. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: 9/16/2007 6:32 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movie- Across the Universe
On Sep 17, 2007, at 12:54 PM, Duveyoung wrote: I saw the Cirque de Soleil Beatles thingy entitiled LOVE. Thousands of props and costumes, tons of visual graphics shown on huge screens, hundreds of gymnastic stunts, dozens upon dozens of artifacts of Brit-culture, song after song re-mastered. It all felt wrong. They just didn't give me my Beatles. Very very disappointed -- especially since I ponied up $300 for two tickets. Had you listened to the album LOVE beforehand and if so so, did you like that? I thought LOVE was fantastic, esp. in 5.1. It's like hearing the Beatles for the first time and all anew. It makes me want to go to Vegas (someplace I would not otherwise desire to go to) to see the CdS version.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Talk Norwegian to a porcelain duck?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: I just encountered an IMO funny euphemism for throwing up into a toilet bowl (after heavy drinking). Translated into English it's something like talk Norwegian to a porcelain duck. (In Finnish puhua norjaa posliini-ankalle). I wonder if that's an international euphemism possibly translated into several languages. What does mukava vittu mean ? Yikes! Well, nice (cozy) c*nt... :0
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
[Bronte: The only guidance needed is one's own inner guidance. It's the nature of the human spirit to wake up.] Ron: My comments, coming from my path will mirror that of Ramana Maharishi's admonisions. Bronte: I disagree with almost everything of the philosophy of the Neo-Advaitins, RM's very much included. Ron: Regarding a mentor or Guru, it is 100% that one will need this for unfolding enlightenment. Bronte: This is a typical guru mind-enslavement statement: You can't do it without me. It spiritually disempowering of seekers and self-aggrandizing of gurus, designed to suck in clients. It's like a real estate agent telling you can't possibly sell our house successfully without an agent to guide you. Imagine what would happen to business if people realized they could do it by themselves? Ron: Some very rare one's will do it on their own. It is ego which declares a Guru is not needed, or even I am that rare one - after all, Ramana did it this way and so can I. Bronte: Good sales line: it's your ego. That one really snags the spiritual consumer. Get 'em with their guilt. Way to go, Ramana Maharishi! Ron: Why? because one in darkness needs light- and the light is just not there. If it were, then one wouldn't be in darkness.The Guru is the one that has traversed the journey from start to Realization, having gone through it, they are the light to show others. Bronte: What do you mean, the light is just not there? What is a human being's nature, darkness or light? Don't you believe that everything is God's light? Then how can you think one can't become aware of that light within themselves by the power of that light within themselves? To wake up to one's nature is as natural as waking up in the morning. Saying you can't do it by yourself is like saying you'd never wake up in the morning if you didn't have your mother to call you. Ron: In my path, it is not that they desire to be guru or step forward to do so, they are commissioned by their own Guru's to do so. Bronte: That may well be. It's those who've bought the sales pitch who are best equipped to perpetuate it. - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kilogram losing mass
Judy: Well, to start with, I think I was confused as to what you meant by spinning. You mean spinning *in place*, right? If so, isn't it the string it's suspended by winding up and then unwinding that causes the weight to stop spinning and change direction? Bronte: The analogy isn't perfect, and I'm certainly not convinced the earth will change rotation in 2012. It's just a theory. I came up with the analogy and experiment simply from observing that an object at the end of a string rotates, and the earth rotates. Certainly I'm not suggesting the earth is suspended on some string. I suspect its rotation started from the force of its creation. But it's possible that things that rotate resemble other things that rotate. Hence my interest. Judy: Also, the earth's axis that it rotates around has a wobble, like a top (actually several different wobbles), which would have to mean whatever the equivalent is of what the string is attached to moves around in gigantic circles. Bronte: You can perform the same experiment with an object that wobbles (something not symetrical hanging from the pendalum). Judy: Also, I don't think there's any scientific evidence that the earth's rotation has ever reversed itself in the past. Bronte: As I said before, there is evidence in ancient texts. I know of no scientific evidence. - Don't let your dream ride pass you by.Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Talk Norwegian to a porcelain duck?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: I just encountered an IMO funny euphemism for throwing up into a toilet bowl (after heavy drinking). Translated into English it's something like talk Norwegian to a porcelain duck. (In Finnish puhua norjaa posliini-ankalle). I wonder if that's an international euphemism possibly translated into several languages. What does mukava vittu mean ? Yikes! Well, nice (cozy) c*nt... :0 Goodness gracious me, she said that about her private parts ?? What a sales pitch !
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a lady in FF who's really into crop circles. She's Marlene Stanley, Alex Stanley's sister-in-law, wife of Raja Tom of the Kingdom of Denver. She gave a presentation recently and has some interesting stories to tell. I'll try to tell them later as time allows. I hope you do Rick because I really don't get the crop circles thing. The pics Nab posted look like laser cutouts on wood panels when I blow them up in Photoshop. Judy's maze crop cutouts are what cutout crops look like. Many of the pics I have seen look like a simple Photoshop layers imposition of an image onto a picture of a field. I guess I am missing the link of someone on the ground we can trust telling us what we are looking at. Of course the jump from We don't know what caused this to We do know what caused this and it is aliens is gunna be an even harder jump for me, but I would like to start with the support basis for the pictures themselves. How are they distinguishing them for Photoshopped pics? For one thing; they are not manmade :-) If you blow the pictures up enough you will see that the straws are not broken, only bent. (If you looked at the original files that is - they look the way they do in your PS because these are tiny files) I can do quite alot in PS myself, but bending million of straws, no thanks. Anyway; if you visit the sites you can walk in them, and apparently have very interesting meditations, a feature even CS3 doesn't have ;-) Very complicated designs are made within minutes, which have been confimed again again by a) people who have seen it being done, b) pilots who have flewn over the area when they were not here, and then finding and photographing them 20 minutes later on return flights. There are many good sites with reports from the ground on this phenomen, google it, read and enjoy !
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
Thanks for the response. I haven't seen any high res photos, only Web stuff. Since you are also a Photoshop user I think you must understand my skepticism. Where did you get original file to look at? I think the jump to non-man made is still a big one. It is sort of like UFOs for me. If the cause is unidentified, then we are saying we don't know the cause, not that we do know and it is aliens. If you have any cools sites to share that would be great. So far I haven't googled anything that seems as interested as I am in making this distinction. I am always up for and example of the limits of man's knowledge. I am not always up for people offering imaginative explanations for things we don't understand by offering beings for whom we have no evidence. It is not the we don't know how it was made part that I have any problem with. I have a feeling that people really into these things are not really interested in getting to the bottom of what is really going on here. The party of belief in aliens is just too much fun! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: There's a lady in FF who's really into crop circles. She's Marlene Stanley, Alex Stanley's sister-in-law, wife of Raja Tom of the Kingdom of Denver. She gave a presentation recently and has some interesting stories to tell. I'll try to tell them later as time allows. I hope you do Rick because I really don't get the crop circles thing. The pics Nab posted look like laser cutouts on wood panels when I blow them up in Photoshop. Judy's maze crop cutouts are what cutout crops look like. Many of the pics I have seen look like a simple Photoshop layers imposition of an image onto a picture of a field. I guess I am missing the link of someone on the ground we can trust telling us what we are looking at. Of course the jump from We don't know what caused this to We do know what caused this and it is aliens is gunna be an even harder jump for me, but I would like to start with the support basis for the pictures themselves. How are they distinguishing them for Photoshopped pics? For one thing; they are not manmade :-) If you blow the pictures up enough you will see that the straws are not broken, only bent. (If you looked at the original files that is - they look the way they do in your PS because these are tiny files) I can do quite alot in PS myself, but bending million of straws, no thanks. Anyway; if you visit the sites you can walk in them, and apparently have very interesting meditations, a feature even CS3 doesn't have ;-) Very complicated designs are made within minutes, which have been confimed again again by a) people who have seen it being done, b) pilots who have flewn over the area when they were not here, and then finding and photographing them 20 minutes later on return flights. There are many good sites with reports from the ground on this phenomen, google it, read and enjoy !
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a lady in FF who's really into crop circles. She's Marlene Stanley, Alex Stanley's sister-in-law, wife of Raja Tom of the Kingdom of Denver. She gave a presentation recently and has some interesting stories to tell. I'll try to tell them later as time allows. I hope you do Rick because I really don't get the crop circles thing. The pics Nab posted look like laser cutouts on wood panels when I blow them up in Photoshop. Judy's maze crop cutouts are what cutout crops look like. Er, the one I just posted was a joke. It's a picture of Gerald Ford, for goodness' sake. Nobody's pretending it's anything but manmade. It's crop art, not a crop circle. Many of the pics I have seen look like a simple Photoshop layers imposition of an image onto a picture of a field. I guess I am missing the link of someone on the ground we can trust telling us what we are looking at. No problem. There are zillions of eyewitness accounts, photos, and videos of crop circles from the ground. Just Google crop circles; search for crop circles on YouTube. They're even visible using Google Earth and Google Maps. Here's a video of a bunch via Google Earth: http://tinyurl.com/yqjbod Somebody created a Google Map of crop circles, but you have to have a Google account to use it: http://tinyurl.com/yv8ev9 Of course the jump from We don't know what caused this to We do know what caused this and it is aliens is gunna be an even harder jump for me Here's where I've jumped to, after reading quite a bit of material on crop circles: Many of them are hoaxes, some are not. We have NO idea what causes the ones that aren't, and whatever it is, is very, very, VERY weird. , but I would like to start with the support basis for the pictures themselves. How are they distinguishing them for Photoshopped pics? If you're suggesting the photos are fake, that's right out. You can quickly disabuse yourself of notion by spending a little time looking around the Web, as noted. There's a veritable army of researchers studying crop circles on the ground. Some of them are from La-La Land but quite a few are dead serious, and quite credible. Here's the Web site of a serious outfit: http://www.bltresearch.com Prowl around on that site a bit and see if you don't get the heebee jeebees. There are a lot of crazy people and hoaxters of various sorts associated with the phenomenon, as well as folks exploiting it commercially, but if you dig around, you'll find the more reliable reporting and theorizing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
What's all this about Crapcircles? My dog makes crapcircles and I find it disgusting. Can't we elevate the conversation to something higher? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Gyroscope question ( Re: Kilogram losing mass)
Thanks, friend, for introducing the subject of gyroscopes. You seem to know a bit about this. Can you tell me if an object like the earth (say it operates like a gyroscope) could ever reverse direction (reverse rotational direction)? I had one a gyroscope as a kid, and it simply wound down in motion. It never reversed. Objects that hang from strings and rotate reverse their direction. But if the earth is not connected to another object by a string-like something (which no one is presuming it is), then is there anything that could potentially cause it to reverse? - Bronte uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bronte: I've wondered about that point myself, but how about this angle? If you take a pendalum hanging from a string and spin it, it goes a while in one direction. Then, to my recollection (I haven't done this recently), it suddenly stops, pauses a second, then starts spinning full-speed in the other direction Are you talking about a pendulum or a gyroscope? Gyroscopes are seriously odd things, and can lose weight when spun up, and provide reactionless force. Have a look at this: http://www.gyroscopes.org/1974lecture.asp and google for eric laithwaite. This guy did a lecture for the prestigious Royal Society, and passed a heavy spinning gyroscope to the audience. Nobody could pick it up when it was stationary. This lecture was expunged from the record. Mix in magnetic fields, homopolar generators, electrostatic charges and you start looking at ufo design propositions. Then, take a stiff whiskey, and, if you dare, google for boeing, antigravity and patent. You can chuck B2 into the mix. Uns. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
curtisdeltablues wrote: I have a feeling that people really into these things are not really interested in getting to the bottom of what is really going on here. The party of belief in aliens is just too much fun! And then there are some people who believe that a bunch of guys with boxcutters started the Iraq war. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kilogram losing mass
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, I'm not a scientist, but there are many reasons for a measurement to change -- usually human error is involved. That would be my first looksee at the issue. Could be something as goofy as the janitor licks the bar when no one is looking. The missing mass is equal to what a fingerprint would be composed of. Maybe someone wiped the bar especially well!!! ;-) Yeah, I think they've probably ruled that out, or the physicists wouldn't be so puzzled. They keep the thing triple-locked to prevent anyone messing with it. Mass can spontaneously dissolve -- usually it takes trillions of years though. Cosmic rays can chip off chunks of the kilogram, but why either of these processes would be affecting one bar and not the exact copies is where the mystery arises. Yes, that's my point. A hunk of molten iron flowing under the crust could alter the gravity under the measurement devices. For instance, when we landed on the moon, there were mass-cons -- concentrations of particularly heavy material -- that made for tricky navigation during the landing -- gravity's pull increases and decreases depending on what's underneath. As I understand it, they bring the copies to the location of the reference kilogram for measuring specifically to avoid that kind of thing. (Sorta like what Maharishi is saying when he says the minerals of the land determine the personality of the culture.) So, yeah, I don't know the answer, and I don't know that my reasons above are at the top of the list of possible reasons, but one thing I am certain of is that a physical cause is way more likely than an oogabooga cause. Sure it's physical, but it may be oogabooga physical, if you see what I mean, something new and different and completely unexpected that is going to make us toss out a whole lot of things we thought we knew. When Y2K loomed, I ran around like Chicken Little, and nothing happened. So, don't expect me to get anywhere near that kind of frenetic obsessiveness with a kilogram losing mass and screaming to the world that the sky is falling. Did anybody suggest you should??
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's all this about Crapcircles? My dog makes crapcircles and I find it disgusting. Can't we elevate the conversation to something higher? Different thing altogether. Crapcircles are real things that are created as expressions of art by real dogs, who are hoping to impress other dogs and establish some kind of alpha-dog dominance. Cropcircles are things that twiffy Newagers talk about to other twiffy Newagers because they're essentially trying to do the same thing. On the whole, I'd be willing to bet that your dog's crapcircles are already on a higher plane of being than the cropcircles, But to each his own...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
---Sure, one can get Enlightened without a Guru; likewise, one can learn how to play the violin without a teacher. (as Borak would sayNOT!). In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Bronte: The only guidance needed is one's own inner guidance. It's the nature of the human spirit to wake up.] Ron: My comments, coming from my path will mirror that of Ramana Maharishi's admonisions. Bronte: I disagree with almost everything of the philosophy of the Neo- Advaitins, RM's very much included. Ron: Regarding a mentor or Guru, it is 100% that one will need this for unfolding enlightenment. Bronte: This is a typical guru mind-enslavement statement: You can't do it without me. It spiritually disempowering of seekers and self- aggrandizing of gurus, designed to suck in clients. It's like a real estate agent telling you can't possibly sell our house successfully without an agent to guide you. Imagine what would happen to business if people realized they could do it by themselves? Ron: Some very rare one's will do it on their own. It is ego which declares a Guru is not needed, or even I am that rare one - after all, Ramana did it this way and so can I. Bronte: Good sales line: it's your ego. That one really snags the spiritual consumer. Get 'em with their guilt. Way to go, Ramana Maharishi! Ron: Why? because one in darkness needs light- and the light is just not there. If it were, then one wouldn't be in darkness.The Guru is the one that has traversed the journey from start to Realization, having gone through it, they are the light to show others. Bronte: What do you mean, the light is just not there? What is a human being's nature, darkness or light? Don't you believe that everything is God's light? Then how can you think one can't become aware of that light within themselves by the power of that light within themselves? To wake up to one's nature is as natural as waking up in the morning. Saying you can't do it by yourself is like saying you'd never wake up in the morning if you didn't have your mother to call you. Ron: In my path, it is not that they desire to be guru or step forward to do so, they are commissioned by their own Guru's to do so. Bronte: That may well be. It's those who've bought the sales pitch who are best equipped to perpetuate it. - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
[FairfieldLife] Re: heyaM duHkham anaagatam?
---How does one head off bad karma at the pass before it gets to you? There's (apparently) no 100% foolproof method since there's a component of unlearned experiences in bad karma, meaning that on the trial and error learning curve, we (most people); haven't had the learning experiences to make optimum decisions at all times and places. Thus, when the new challenges come, our decisions are not always the right ones. (refer to the recent decisions of OJ, - The Juice for example). Certain mantras are designed to neutralize bad karma; one being the mantra of the Medicine Master Buddha. (feel free to google this).The mantra can be chanted throughout the day, and it helps!. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: How does one avoid anaagataM duHkham (II 16)? By breaking the connection between the Seer and the Seen?? Perhaps not: draSTR (seer)-dRshyayoH (seen) saMyogo (association) heya-hetuH (to-be-avoided - cause) (II 17). You did not answer my question, a finnish girl said that to me on TTC - must mean something !
[FairfieldLife] Corn Mazes versus Crop Circles (Re: New Cropcircles)
Judy: And here's one that was just discovered in Michigan: http://www.gullmead owfarms.com/ Bronte: No, that is not a crop circle -- it's a corn maze -- a human-created pattern in a field that customers are invited to pay a few dollars to come in and explore, for fun and recreation. This wasn't a discovery but some commercial operation (unless there's something really obscure that I'm missing on that weblink). We have lots of corn mazes out here in Washington State -- I wrote a newspaper article about one. It was in the shape of the USA, with all the states traced out. Teachers brought their students, and they'd play in the corn, trying to decide which state they were in. Lots of fun for everybody. Do they have corn mazes yet in Iowa? authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here's one that was just discovered in Michigan: http://www.gullmeadowfarms.com/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some remarkable cropcircles from july/august 2007; http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2007/sept_07_pictures.htm - Don't let your dream ride pass you by.Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Gyroscope question ( Re: Kilogram losing mass)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bronte Baxter Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 1:50 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Gyroscope question ( Re: Kilogram losing mass) Thanks, friend, for introducing the subject of gyroscopes. You seem to know a bit about this. Can you tell me if an object like the earth (say it operates like a gyroscope) could ever reverse direction (reverse rotational direction)? I had one a gyroscope as a kid, and it simply wound down in motion. It never reversed. Objects that hang from strings and rotate reverse their direction. But if the earth is not connected to another object by a string-like something (which no one is presuming it is), then is there anything that could potentially cause it to reverse? - Bronte There is huge kinetic energy in the Earth’s rotation. I doubt that it has ever reversed in its history and that there is anything in the known universe which could cause it to reverse. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: 9/16/2007 6:32 PM
[FairfieldLife] For Edg (Re: Kilogram losing mass)
Edg: Bronte - you might find it helpful to google this issue. I'm thinking you don't understand the difference between the magnetic poles switching and the ball, that the earth is, suddenly switching the direction of its spinning. Bronte: Edg, it appears that you see me as stupid. Edg; If the earth-ball switches,the crust of the earth will instantly melt from the friction. The crust of the earth is solid only a few miles deep, and then, the whole ball is molten. If such a ball were in your hands, the outer shell/crust would break from your slightest squeeze. We're on a very very thin layer of rock riding on hell fires. These fires would be opened to the air/space if the crust were to suddenly shift from spinning at a 1000 MPH in one direction to another -- imagine mountains smashing into mountains at 1000 MPH -- everything melts in the grinder. Everything means the entire crust -- nothing would survive -- not even bacteria. The atmosphere, oceans, and crust would all be gone -- 2500 degrees and poof. Bronte: Could be, and probably would be, if there were a sudden reversal of direction. But when objects change rotation (in my experiment) it appears they slow, then stop, then pause a bit, then slowly start moving again in the other direction before building up speed. There are no crashes on the microcosmic level, and I doubt that there would be on the macrocosmic. Edg: The sun rising twice or as it is said in the bible the sun stopping in the sky, can only be possible if the earth is subjected to an incredible smack from, say, a mars sized hunk of rock. Bronte: Possibly, but I don't see how a meteor hitting the earth would be perceived as the sun rising. - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: heyaM duHkham anaagatam?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You did not answer my question, a finnish girl said that to me on TTC - must mean something ! It's a bit strange that you could spell it absolutely correctly if you only heard someone say it to you. Did she mean her own p*ssy (pillu, tussu), BTW?
[FairfieldLife] Corn Mazes versus Crop Circles (Re: New Cropcircles)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy: And here's one that was just discovered in Michigan: http://www.gullmead owfarms.com/ Bronte: No, that is not a crop circle -- it's a corn maze -- Nice to have Bronte fact-checking Judy. Now who wants to humor check Bronte? a human-created pattern in a field that customers are invited to pay a few dollars to come in and explore, for fun and recreation. This wasn't a discovery but some commercial operation (unless there's something really obscure that I'm missing on that weblink). We have lots of corn mazes out here in Washington State -- I wrote a newspaper article about one. It was in the shape of the USA, with all the states traced out. Teachers brought their students, and they'd play in the corn, trying to decide which state they were in. Lots of fun for everybody. Do they have corn mazes yet in Iowa? authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here's one that was just discovered in Michigan: http://www.gullmeadowfarms.com/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Some remarkable cropcircles from july/august 2007; http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2007/sept_07_pictures.htm - Don't let your dream ride pass you by.Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: heyaM duHkham anaagatam?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: You did not answer my question, a finnish girl said that to me on TTC - must mean something ! It's a bit strange that you could spell it absolutely correctly if you only heard someone say it to you. Did she mean her own p*ssy (pillu, tussu), BTW? But it's only 30 years ago ! I remember it as if it was yesterday, never forget the look in her eyes when she said it either. I have no idea what she meant, thats why I asked you ! The word she used, with this strange look in her eyes was vittu. Should have checked it out now that I know the meaning, but there was this funny little american girl...
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The pics Nab posted look like laser cutouts on wood panels when I blow them up in Photoshop. Judy's maze crop cutouts are what cutout crops look like. Er, the one I just posted was a joke. It's a picture of Gerald Ford, for goodness' sake. Nobody's pretending it's anything but manmade. It's crop art, not a crop circle. I knew that. The guy who does this as a business is really interesting. I got his info from your link. It shows the difference between what cut crops look like and the subtle shading gradients that Photoshopped pictures have. Don't the pictures Nab's link shows look more like cutouts on wood than on crops to you? Nope. If you're suggesting the photos are fake, that's right out. You can quickly disabuse yourself of notion by spending a little time looking around the Web, as noted. This has not been the case for me so far. Some of the pictures in the videos I have seen are clearly fake to a Photoshop user. Cutting crops does not give you the shading present in some of those photos. But crop circles aren't cut, Curtis. I don't know where you got that idea. The stems of the plants are flattened, not cut, and typically the flattening itself is patterned within the flattened areas, usually in swirls. There's one that was done in an interwoven herringbone pattern. Even the crop circles made by hoaxers are flattened rather than cut. Often the stems aren't broken, just bent. Here's a bunch of ground photos of crop circles: http://www.korncirkler.dk/cccorner/dan1.html Here's another sequence for one specific crop circle: http://www.cccrn.ca/armstrong2006.html You don't get exact subtle shading in crop photos that we know are cut crops like your guy with the corn photos. That's because they aren't cut! Geesh. Cutting is the crudest possible way to make a design in crops. I appreciate that you are just pointing out the mystery and are not jumping to aliens made these! I haven't caught the mystery yet, it seems like so many people are having too much fun with the wild speculation. Yes, you have to sort through a lot of crap to get to the good stuff. I was a skeptic until I started investigating it a little more deeply. snip There are a lot of reports after they are made. What is missing is the witnesses when they are being made. There are actually a couple of dozen eyewitness accounts of circles being made, but they aren't all that common. They happen mostly at night. One day a field is perfectly normal, the next morning there's a circle in it. But if you realize there are a lot of reports after they're made, why are you still hanging onto the Photoshop theory?? That's why I mentioned the reports in the first place. You'd have to assume every one of these people was lying about having seen the circles on the ground. And then you'd have to explain all the ground-level photos as well. The youtube vidoes are unsatisfying for me because of the lack of hi res photos. The site you consider serious below may have some of the hi res photos that I would like to see. There are gazillions of aerial photos. The research site doesn't feature aerial photos because there are so many other sites that do. I don't think anybody worries about taking hi-res photos because the notion that they're just Photoshop fakes is so incredibly far-fetched. Nobody who's done any reading on the subject has any reason to think that, so the idea that hi-res photos should be taken to disprove it just makes no sense. You are really, really barking up the wrong tree with this Photoshop theory. It's just not worth your time to consider it. It's an Occam's razor first-pass discard, no kidding. It's not even interesting. For pete's sake, some of the farmers whose fields they're found in have started charging admission to the public to come into the fields and walk around in them. Here's a video showing circles at various different aerial angles, including some that are quite close to the ground. I think some of the shots aren't aerial but are taken from a ground structure built for the purpose, maybe 15-20 feet high. http://tinyurl.com/yvlvll Here's another one with aerial footage while the plane is in the air, not just still photos, plus some good ground footage. It's a Brit news report: http://tinyurl.com/2xrwp8 This is a good, fairly objective text intro on the topic: http://www.swirlednews.com/crop.asp
[FairfieldLife] For Edg (Re: Kilogram losing mass)
Bronte: Edg, it appears that you see me as stupid. No! Lacking information, er, ya, but ain't nothing to do with your IQ. I lack tons of information in every field -- so I always feel I'm about as uninformed as anyone else, but sometimes I do have a piece of info that someone else doesn't. Just lucky, not smarter. I do read a ton of astronomy and physics stuff, and I must conclude that you are not seeing things as I've been reading taught to believe. But, I'm not seeing you as lesser, just differently experienced. Your statement, below, seems to not apply to the issue of the material of earth switching its speed or direction of rotation. There is no known spinning ball that comes to a halt and then starts up again without some sort of physical mechanism to be a basis of it, and if there were such, I'm pretty sure I would have read about it long ago. Not that it is impossible to imagine, but it would be rarest of the rare in most cases. Bronte's statement: Could be, and probably would be, if there were a sudden reversal of direction. But when objects change rotation (in my experiment) it appears they slow, then stop, then pause a bit, then slowly start moving again in the other direction before building up speed. There are no crashes on the microcosmic level, and I doubt that there would be on the macrocosmic. Edg: Then you say: Bronte: Possibly, but I don't see how a meteor hitting the earth would be perceived as the sun rising. Edg: If the earth was to be made to stand still, it would have to have its rotation slowed by some process. Only a large object smacking into the earth could do this instantly -- as told in the bible. Such a collision would melt the crust of the earth and kill everything. But if somehow, some patch of land survived and somehow some person survived the fiery conditions, then, yes, they'd see the sun stop or sun reverse its path, which is (as you are sure to know) an illusion because of the earth's spin -- not the sun's actually movement relative to the earth. (The whole solar system is moving at a high rate of speed around the galactic core, but that vector doesn't enter our discussion. I didn't intend to mean that a meteor would be glowing like a sun and be mistaken for the sun -- though, yeah, such a thing could happen, but again -- rarely -- not seen in known human history so far. Even the brightest meteor would be moving so fast across the sky, that one would not immediately think it was a second sun just on that basis alone. The atmosphere of the earth isn't all that deep, and so friction from the atmosphere resisting the meteor's plunge has only a few seconds to act upon the 20,000 MPH+ meteor before the meteor crashes. Even a primative culture would say that this second sun was not very sun-like. Remember that the atmosphere and water are moving at the same speed as the earth's crust, and that if the earth slows down even slightly, then the oceans would wash up onto the continents like a bucket of water on the front seat of your car sloshing over the brim if you apply the brakes too quickly. So any slowing of the earth's spin has to be over a long time, say, one mile per hour off of the 1000 MPH spin rate decreased per day -- so three years to stop the earth spinning -- that or risk having a world wide tsunami. As mentioned by another poster, you may be thinking about gyroscopic motions that do, commonly, reverse directions. This well known dynamic could only apply to the earth if the earth's inner core were spinning and something tried to grab the crust and let the insides keep spinning. Then you'd have a big time gyroscopic resistance to the earth's spinning in any other way but the same direction as the core is spinning. But the crust is so fragile that no giant hand of God could grab it and have it stop without it cracking all to hell. But, in Toys R Us, you can buy a ball that strengthens your wrist muscles because it gives you exactly that dynamic -- an outer crust/skin around a very fast inner object that is spinning. Even though the hand holds the outer ball, the inner ball's spin resists the hand moving in certain directions -- thus exercising the muscles. So when I say google it, I mean, I don't know, but I sure think it can be learned by just reading the top ten links google will give you about the subject. As for your anti-guru posts -- I have yet to respond to them, might never in a proselytizing sense, but let me at least say I think that there are good gurus in the world to whom one could safely surrender one's life, thoughts, and actions, and though Ramana Mahrishi had no disciples per se, I would drop everything right now and go to where he was and hope to be allowed to sit at his feet, even though I've never met the man except in his words in books. But, I have yet to have any desire at all to visit Ramesh, or Gangaji, or Wayne. I've read their books too -- I would only recommend Ramana's though. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Corn Mazes versus Crop Circles (Re: New Cropcircles)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy: And here's one that was just discovered in Michigan: http://www.gullmead owfarms.com/ Bronte: No, that is not a crop circle -- it's a corn maze -- a human- created pattern in a field that customers are invited to pay a few dollars to come in and explore, for fun and recreation. Yes, Bronte, I know. I was funnin' with that one. It's a picture of Gerald Ford. This wasn't a discovery but some commercial operation (unless there's something really obscure that I'm missing on that weblink). We have lots of corn mazes out here in Washington State -- I wrote a newspaper article about one. It was in the shape of the USA, with all the states traced out. Teachers brought their students, and they'd play in the corn, trying to decide which state they were in. Lots of fun for everybody. Do they have corn mazes yet in Iowa? authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here's one that was just discovered in Michigan: http://www.gullmeadowfarms.com/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Some remarkable cropcircles from july/august 2007; http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2007/sept_07_pictures.htm - Don't let your dream ride pass you by.Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie- Across the Universe
Didn't listen to that album, but for sure, the Beatles are there in the music, but the CdS show just put emphasis on way too much British instead of pure Beatles. It also tries to express hippy-ism of the times which was not my Beatle-ism. It was my very first CdS production too, so my hopes for the entertainment were SKY HIGH, so maybe I just wanted more than it could possibly deliver. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 17, 2007, at 12:54 PM, Duveyoung wrote: I saw the Cirque de Soleil Beatles thingy entitiled LOVE. Thousands of props and costumes, tons of visual graphics shown on huge screens, hundreds of gymnastic stunts, dozens upon dozens of artifacts of Brit-culture, song after song re-mastered. It all felt wrong. They just didn't give me my Beatles. Very very disappointed -- especially since I ponied up $300 for two tickets. Had you listened to the album LOVE beforehand and if so so, did you like that? I thought LOVE was fantastic, esp. in 5.1. It's like hearing the Beatles for the first time and all anew. It makes me want to go to Vegas (someplace I would not otherwise desire to go to) to see the CdS version.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the article Nab, I enjoyed it. For a guy like me such a belief gumbo is very entertaining. I guess once you've bought the Masters of our Spiritual Hierarchy, crop circles are a slam dunk. The distinctions between Martin and Venusian space crafts, and the ones from Venus that were really made on Mars was a great touch. Seems to me that if they can construct space ships on uninhabitable planets to make crop circles on earth out of pure thought, they should be able to just do the crop circles the same way. Why the middle step of making a spaceship? At least they should be able to come up with something so strange that there would be no doubt? But what do I know. In any case if you get a hold of one of these space guys will you please ask them to cure cancer or shrink the size of the avocado pit. Either one will be much appreciated! Hehe, nice. Ask them yourself, if you hang around long enough I'm sure you will have the chance ! ;-) Thanks also to Judy who apparently cured your Photoshop-hangup !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kilogram losing mass
authfriend wrote: Did anybody suggest you should?? Edg says: So, don't expect me to get anywhere near that kind of frenetic obsessiveness with a kilogram losing mass and screaming to the world that the sky is falling. No, Judy, you didn't -- it was my way of saying that although I'm interested in the loss of mass, even if it's a new understanding of physics that must be discovered, I'm not going to get all religious about it like I did for Y2K -- where I became much more social, spreading the knowledge of the danger coming, etc. I burned me once way many times, so I'm sensitiverized ya might say. On some days, yeah, maybe I could get motivated, but not today. Tomorrow I might be writing for hours about 2012 though. Me cwazzy wabbit sometimes. Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
---Sure, one can get Enlightened without a Guru; likewise, one can learn how to play the violin without a teacher. (as Borak would sayNOT !). Bronte: Curious, I know lots of people who've taught themselves musical instruments. - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
---So which approach is easier, with, or without a teacher? (in generaly, don't talk about isolated exceptions). In advance, let's take care of one exception: HWL Poonja. He states that in his last incarnation (prior to being HWL Poonja...died in the 90's), he was an advanced Krishna-bhakti Yogi. Then as Poonja in the course of his travels as an engineer, he happens to get an urge to visit Ramana Maharshi in his cave. Poonja tells RM about his many visions of Krishna, and RM asks, Are you having a vision right now?. Then after a few more leading questions RM in essence tells Poonja he's already Enlightened. Poonja got it and became Enlightened on the spot. But then, RM was a teacher, wasn't he? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Sure, one can get Enlightened without a Guru; likewise, one can learn how to play the violin without a teacher. (as Borak would sayNOT !). Bronte: Curious, I know lots of people who've taught themselves musical instruments. - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Corn Mazes versus Crop Circles (Re: New Cropcircles)
I see. Okay, I bit. A good one on me. - Bronte curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy: And here's one that was just discovered in Michigan: http://www.gullmead owfarms.com/ Bronte: No, that is not a crop circle -- it's a corn maze -- Nice to have Bronte fact-checking Judy. Now who wants to humor check Bronte? a human-created pattern in a field that customers are invited to pay a few dollars to come in and explore, for fun and recreation. This wasn't a discovery but some commercial operation (unless there's something really obscure that I'm missing on that weblink). We have lots of corn mazes out here in Washington State -- I wrote a newspaper article about one. It was in the shape of the USA, with all the states traced out. Teachers brought their students, and they'd play in the corn, trying to decide which state they were in. Lots of fun for everybody. Do they have corn mazes yet in Iowa? authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here's one that was just discovered in Michigan: http://www.gullmeadowfarms.com/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Some remarkable cropcircles from july/august 2007; http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2007/sept_07_pictures.htm - Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.
[FairfieldLife] Dalai Lama Quote on the elemental aggregates.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: There's a lady in FF who's really into crop circles. She's Marlene Stanley, Alex Stanley's sister-in-law, wife of Raja Tom of the Kingdom of Denver. She gave a presentation recently and has some interesting stories to tell. I'll try to tell them later as time allows. I hope you do Rick because I really don't get the crop circles thing. The pics Nab posted look like laser cutouts on wood panels when I blow them up in Photoshop. Judy's maze crop cutouts are what cutout crops look like. Er, the one I just posted was a joke. It's a picture of Gerald Ford, for goodness' sake. Nobody's pretending it's anything but manmade. It's crop art, not a crop circle. I knew that. The guy who does this as a business is really interesting. I got his info from your link. It shows the difference between what cut crops look like and the subtle shading gradients that Photoshopped pictures have. Don't the pictures Nab's link shows look more like cutouts on wood than on crops to you? If you're suggesting the photos are fake, that's right out. You can quickly disabuse yourself of notion by spending a little time looking around the Web, as noted. This has not been the case for me so far. Some of the pictures in the videos I have seen are clearly fake to a Photoshop user. Cutting crops does not give you the shading present in some of those photos. You don't get exact subtle shading in crop photos that we know are cut crops like your guy with the corn photos. I appreciate that you are just pointing out the mystery and are not jumping to aliens made these! I haven't caught the mystery yet, it seems like so many people are having too much fun with the wild speculation. Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. Many of the pics I have seen look like a simple Photoshop layers imposition of an image onto a picture of a field. I guess I am missing the link of someone on the ground we can trust telling us what we are looking at. No problem. There are zillions of eyewitness accounts, photos, and videos of crop circles from the ground. Just Google crop circles; search for crop circles on YouTube. They're even visible using Google Earth and Google Maps. There are a lot of reports after they are made. What is missing is the witnesses when they are being made. The youtube vidoes are unsatisfying for me because of the lack of hi res photos. The site you consider serious below may have some of the hi res photos that I would like to see. Here's a video of a bunch via Google Earth: http://tinyurl.com/yqjbod Somebody created a Google Map of crop circles, but you have to have a Google account to use it: http://tinyurl.com/yv8ev9 Of course the jump from We don't know what caused this to We do know what caused this and it is aliens is gunna be an even harder jump for me Here's where I've jumped to, after reading quite a bit of material on crop circles: Many of them are hoaxes, some are not. We have NO idea what causes the ones that aren't, and whatever it is, is very, very, VERY weird. , but I would like to start with the support basis for the pictures themselves. How are they distinguishing them for Photoshopped pics? If you're suggesting the photos are fake, that's right out. You can quickly disabuse yourself of notion by spending a little time looking around the Web, as noted. There's a veritable army of researchers studying crop circles on the ground. Some of them are from La-La Land but quite a few are dead serious, and quite credible. Here's the Web site of a serious outfit: http://www.bltresearch.com Prowl around on that site a bit and see if you don't get the heebee jeebees. There are a lot of crazy people and hoaxters of various sorts associated with the phenomenon, as well as folks exploiting it commercially, but if you dig around, you'll find the more reliable reporting and theorizing.
[FairfieldLife] the doors of Kuber are opening
from Raja Konhaus of California: now the doors of Kuber -- the impulse of intelligence responsible for nourishing the world through wealth -- are opening. We're finding that financial support is coming from all sides now for our projects. source: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=1189635176329637
Re: [FairfieldLife] For Edg (Re: Kilogram losing mass)
Bronte: Edg, it appears that you see me as stupid. Edg: No! Lacking information, er, ya, but ain't nothing to do with your IQ. I lack tons of information in every field. Bronte: It's just that when you question if a person can't see the difference betweeen two obviously different things, like pole shift and reverse rotation, you appear to presume they're stupid. But thanks for clearing that up. Edg: There is no known spinning ball that comes to a halt and then starts up again without some sort of physical mechanism to be a basis of it, and if there were such, I'm pretty sure I would have read about it long ago. Not that it is impossible to imagine, but it would be rarest of the rare in most cases. Bronte: You're probably right. But what if the earth is a living being, a person so to speak, who spins by volition? More like a dancer twirling than something set in motion by something else. What if she spins for fun? And chooses to change the direction of her dance every now and then? I'm just postulating. Bronte: Possibly, but I don't see how a meteor hitting the earth would be perceived as the sun rising. Edg: If somehow, some patch of land survived and somehow some person survived the fiery conditions, then, yes, they'd see the sun stop or sun reverse its path. I didn't intend to mean that a meteor would be glowing like a sun and be mistaken for the sun. Bronte: Good thinking through of that, Edg. Now it makes sense to me. Edg: So any slowing of the earth's spin has to be over a long time, say, one mile per hour off of the 1000 MPHspin rate decreased per day -- so three years to stop the earth spinning -- that or risk having a world wide tsunami. Bronte: If what you say is true, and if it's also true that the earth is going to reverse its rotation, then we should expect to see days lasting more than 24 hours by the year 2009. Interesting! Edg: As for your anti-guru posts -- Bronte: Let's leave that for another discussion. By the way, when the other day I complimented you on your brain and your humor, I wasn't missing the fact that you also demonstrate considerable heart and a real bent for poetry. I'm enjoying the full package. - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
Bronte: My friend, what should I call you? I can't pronounce your web name -- so, friend: Thanks for this observation, and I agree: learning to play an instrument is often easier with a teacher, but not always. And teachers are not essential, although most gurus will tell you that they are. It's one thing to say I'm a great real estate agent and will help you sell your house if you like versus saying You will never sell your house without my help, you poor miserable schlep. The latter being analogous to most gurus are saying. And I'll continue to gripe about that kind of manipulation. --So which approach is easier, with, or without a teacher? (in generaly, don't talk about isolated exceptions). In advance, let's take care of one exception: HWL Poonja. He states that in his last incarnation (prior to being HWL Poonja...died in the 90's), he was an advanced Krishna-bhakti Yogi. Then as Poonja in the course of his travels as an engineer, he happens to get an urge to visit Ramana Maharshi in his cave. Poonja tells RM about his many visions of Krishna, and RM asks, Are you having a vision right now?. Then after a few more leading questions RM in essence tells Poonja he's already Enlightened. Poonja got it and became Enlightened on the spot. But then, RM was a teacher, wasn't he? In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ ... wrote: ---Sure, one can get Enlightened without a Guru; likewise, one can learn how to play the violin without a teacher. (as Borak would sayNOT !). Bronte: Curious, I know lots of people who've taught themselves musical instruments. - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.
RE: [FairfieldLife] the doors of Kuber are opening
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of george_deforest Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:58 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] the doors of Kuber are opening from Raja Konhaus of California: now the doors of Kuber -- the impulse of intelligence responsible for nourishing the world through wealth -- are opening. We're finding that financial support is coming from all sides now for our projects. source: HYPERLINK http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=1189635176329637http: //www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=1189635176329637 Interesting that John Konhaus’s peace palace is in San Ramon, which is where Amma’s main US ashram is, and where she spends a couple of weeks a year. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 9/17/2007 1:29 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
--Let the buyer beware. It's our responsibility, which becomes skilled in the light of additional direct experience: IMO the more Gurus the better. This provides an insurance plan against getting duped by any possible charlatans; but more important, in all likelihood, the vast majority of Gurus (unless ouright phonies); have SOMETHING to offer that might be of value; in which case it's our responsibility to separate the wheat from the chaff. Example: Once Baba Ram Dass (Dr. Richard Alpert) was on the radio in the 70's commenting on MMY. His conclusion was that what MMY had to offer was of no value because (in Ram Dass's opinion), he seemed to be attached to money. So what, even if this were true (actually, from a Spiritual perspective this would be impossible - a topic covered recently; the outer exhibition is another story reserved for later discussion). But what does this have to do with TM as a technique?. So, in a relative sense nobody's perfect. See the benefits in anything/everything, and discard what's useless. So, you believe that people can get Enlightened without a Guru. OK, name one such person. That's your challenge for today. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bronte: My friend, what should I call you? I can't pronounce your web name -- so, friend: Thanks for this observation, and I agree: learning to play an instrument is often easier with a teacher, but not always. And teachers are not essential, although most gurus will tell you that they are. It's one thing to say I'm a great real estate agent and will help you sell your house if you like versus saying You will never sell your house without my help, you poor miserable schlep. The latter being analogous to most gurus are saying. And I'll continue to gripe about that kind of manipulation. --So which approach is easier, with, or without a teacher? (in generaly, don't talk about isolated exceptions). In advance, let's take care of one exception: HWL Poonja. He states that in his last incarnation (prior to being HWL Poonja...died in the 90's), he was an advanced Krishna-bhakti Yogi. Then as Poonja in the course of his travels as an engineer, he happens to get an urge to visit Ramana Maharshi in his cave. Poonja tells RM about his many visions of Krishna, and RM asks, Are you having a vision right now?. Then after a few more leading questions RM in essence tells Poonja he's already Enlightened. Poonja got it and became Enlightened on the spot. But then, RM was a teacher, wasn't he? In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ ... wrote: ---Sure, one can get Enlightened without a Guru; likewise, one can learn how to play the violin without a teacher. (as Borak would sayNOT !). Bronte: Curious, I know lots of people who've taught themselves musical instruments. - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.
[FairfieldLife] Hierarchy Schmierarchy (Re: New Cropcircles)
Quotation from the space-brothers interview article: JF: There are so called abductions and cattle mutilations. Should one take them seriously? What is this in relation to UFOs? BC: The question of abductions and cattle mutilations is part of the general cover-up. They are a way of invalidating the harmlessness of the Space Brothers and making people afraid of the Space Brothers. The Space Brothers know nothing of harm and mean no harm for this planet. If they had, they could have destroyed this planet long ago. No one is ever abducted in a spaceship. These cattle mutilations are deliberately made as cover-ups to put the blame on the Space Brothers and therefore to make people afraid of them. The whole thing is a plot against this enormously important and enormously serious interchange between the planets, to keep power for a limited number of people on this planet. It will be, as I say, only for a limited time until the Hierarchy of Masters is known and accepted, until Maitreya is known and accepted, and then the reality of the UFOs will come out. Bronte: I read 2/3 of the document, up to this quoted portion. Anyone wanting to hand us another hierarchy, with the great lord Maitreya on the top, is my enemy. Anyone claiming that all the space brothers are good guys is lying. There is oodles of evidence to the contrary. In fact, common sense says that just as humans demonstrate a continuum of good and bad, with most of us somewhere inbetween, beings from other places would probably be the same: some helpful, some self-serving, some just plain mean. This is a whole topic in itself, and I don't have time to get into it. I've got a client with a deadline and have to avoid getting into new FFL discussions for a while. But I'd be pleased to hash it out in the future. - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
Bronte, you're over generalizing. Of course I get your point about the possible dangers involved with an overcontrolling guru. But you seem to try to apply this to every guru/chela relationship and it just ain't so. MMY is a great example of an over-controlling guru. You cut your teeth on him, like I did, so of course you're head shy about gurus. Just don't say all guru relationships are like this. And by the way, the majority of people who attempt to learn an instrument on their own, don't. They know three chords, two songs, etc. Some people can learn an instrument on their own, but they're alweays listening to music, so the music is their guru. The odds of going from avidya to realization without help from the Absolute in some form or shape is just about nil. --- Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bronte: My friend, what should I call you? I can't pronounce your web name -- so, friend: Thanks for this observation, and I agree: learning to play an instrument is often easier with a teacher, but not always. And teachers are not essential, although most gurus will tell you that they are. It's one thing to say I'm a great real estate agent and will help you sell your house if you like versus saying You will never sell your house without my help, you poor miserable schlep. The latter being analogous to most gurus are saying. And I'll continue to gripe about that kind of manipulation. --So which approach is easier, with, or without a teacher? (in generaly, don't talk about isolated exceptions). In advance, let's take care of one exception: HWL Poonja. He states that in his last incarnation (prior to being HWL Poonja...died in the 90's), he was an advanced Krishna-bhakti Yogi. Then as Poonja in the course of his travels as an engineer, he happens to get an urge to visit Ramana Maharshi in his cave. Poonja tells RM about his many visions of Krishna, and RM asks, Are you having a vision right now?. Then after a few more leading questions RM in essence tells Poonja he's already Enlightened. Poonja got it and became Enlightened on the spot. But then, RM was a teacher, wasn't he? In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ ... wrote: ---Sure, one can get Enlightened without a Guru; likewise, one can learn how to play the violin without a teacher. (as Borak would sayNOT !). Bronte: Curious, I know lots of people who've taught themselves musical instruments. - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
Gordon Grobelny, Loralin Tomlin, Krista Fisher, Mary Kaminski, Richard Spang ... these are just off the top of my head, people living within 15 miles of me. matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Let the buyer beware. It's our responsibility, which becomes skilled in the light of additional direct experience: IMO the more Gurus the better. This provides an insurance plan against getting duped by any possible charlatans; but more important, in all likelihood, the vast majority of Gurus (unless ouright phonies); have SOMETHING to offer that might be of value; in which case it's our responsibility to separate the wheat from the chaff. Example: Once Baba Ram Dass (Dr. Richard Alpert) was on the radio in the 70's commenting on MMY. His conclusion was that what MMY had to offer was of no value because (in Ram Dass's opinion), he seemed to be attached to money. So what, even if this were true (actually, from a Spiritual perspective this would be impossible - a topic covered recently; the outer exhibition is another story reserved for later discussion). But what does this have to do with TM as a technique?. So, in a relative sense nobody's perfect. See the benefits in anything/everything, and discard what's useless. So, you believe that people can get Enlightened without a Guru. OK, name one such person. That's your challenge for today. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bronte: My friend, what should I call you? I can't pronounce your web name -- so, friend: Thanks for this observation, and I agree: learning to play an instrument is often easier with a teacher, but not always. And teachers are not essential, although most gurus will tell you that they are. It's one thing to say I'm a great real estate agent and will help you sell your house if you like versus saying You will never sell your house without my help, you poor miserable schlep. The latter being analogous to most gurus are saying. And I'll continue to gripe about that kind of manipulation. --So which approach is easier, with, or without a teacher? (in generaly, don't talk about isolated exceptions). In advance, let's take care of one exception: HWL Poonja. He states that in his last incarnation (prior to being HWL Poonja...died in the 90's), he was an advanced Krishna-bhakti Yogi. Then as Poonja in the course of his travels as an engineer, he happens to get an urge to visit Ramana Maharshi in his cave. Poonja tells RM about his many visions of Krishna, and RM asks, Are you having a vision right now?. Then after a few more leading questions RM in essence tells Poonja he's already Enlightened. Poonja got it and became Enlightened on the spot. But then, RM was a teacher, wasn't he? In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ ... wrote: ---Sure, one can get Enlightened without a Guru; likewise, one can learn how to play the violin without a teacher. (as Borak would sayNOT !). Bronte: Curious, I know lots of people who've taught themselves musical instruments. - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation
On Sep 16, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Bronte Baxter wrote: I think it dismisses way too much to reduce the gods to qualities of consciousness. In the sense that we are all just qualities of consciousness, I suppose you could say that's true. But in the practical sense, the gods are unique individuals, no different that way than a flesh-and-blood person. They simply exist on a dimension that is vibrating faster than this one and therefore not visible to the eye. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just glancing over it, it smells of TMO reductionism. It makes westerners feel more at ease or as if there is no form corresponding to the sound (of the bija) that they'd have to worry about. Emptybill says: So Vaj help me out. Are you simply saying that Bronte's explanation accords with Aurobindo and the TMO? Because saying it accords with Vaishnava explanations doesn't make sense to me. Most of them are super-concretizers. However, saying that many Westerners attempt to find a diffuse, metaphoric way to explain deva-s is certainly true of the typical Western intellectualizing Buddhist and also of some Hinduized Westerners. Also, are you suggesting that Vajrakila and Yamantaka have wings so that they can fly? Please clarify. And don't waste the time of both of us by ranting about the TMO. What are you actually trying to point out here? empty
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
Okay, listen, I'm signing off for a while. It's going to take a long time to talk through all the reasons for my position. We'll do it though. It's an important question. Let's revisit it in about a month, after I have some breathing-room time to play in this forum again. Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bronte, you're over generalizing. Of course I get your point about the possible dangers involved with an overcontrolling guru. But you seem to try to apply this to every guru/chela relationship and it just ain't so. MMY is a great example of an over-controlling guru. You cut your teeth on him, like I did, so of course you're head shy about gurus. Just don't say all guru relationships are like this. And by the way, the majority of people who attempt to learn an instrument on their own, don't. They know three chords, two songs, etc. Some people can learn an instrument on their own, but they're alweays listening to music, so the music is their guru. The odds of going from avidya to realization without help from the Absolute in some form or shape is just about nil. --- Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bronte: My friend, what should I call you? I can't pronounce your web name -- so, friend: Thanks for this observation, and I agree: learning to play an instrument is often easier with a teacher, but not always. And teachers are not essential, although most gurus will tell you that they are. It's one thing to say I'm a great real estate agent and will help you sell your house if you like versus saying You will never sell your house without my help, you poor miserable schlep. The latter being analogous to most gurus are saying. And I'll continue to gripe about that kind of manipulation. --So which approach is easier, with, or without a teacher? (in generaly, don't talk about isolated exceptions). In advance, let's take care of one exception: HWL Poonja. He states that in his last incarnation (prior to being HWL Poonja...died in the 90's), he was an advanced Krishna-bhakti Yogi. Then as Poonja in the course of his travels as an engineer, he happens to get an urge to visit Ramana Maharshi in his cave. Poonja tells RM about his many visions of Krishna, and RM asks, Are you having a vision right now?. Then after a few more leading questions RM in essence tells Poonja he's already Enlightened. Poonja got it and became Enlightened on the spot. But then, RM was a teacher, wasn't he? In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ ... wrote: ---Sure, one can get Enlightened without a Guru; likewise, one can learn how to play the violin without a teacher. (as Borak would sayNOT !). Bronte: Curious, I know lots of people who've taught themselves musical instruments. - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. __ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ - Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hierarchy Schmierarchy (Re: New Cropcircles)
--- Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quotation from the space-brothers interview article: JF: There are so called abductions and cattle mutilations. Should one take them seriously? What is this in relation to UFOs? BC: The question of abductions and cattle mutilations is part of the general cover-up. They are a way of invalidating the harmlessness of the Space Brothers and making people afraid of the Space Brothers. The Space Brothers know nothing of harm and mean no harm for this planet. If they had, they could have destroyed this planet long ago. No one is ever abducted in a spaceship. These cattle mutilations are deliberately made as cover-ups to put the blame on the Space Brothers and therefore to make people afraid of them. The whole thing is a plot against this enormously important and enormously serious interchange between the planets, to keep power for a limited number of people on this planet. It will be, as I say, only for a limited time until the Hierarchy of Masters is known and accepted, until Maitreya is known and accepted, and then the reality of the UFOs will come out. Bronte: I read 2/3 of the document, up to this quoted portion. Anyone wanting to hand us another hierarchy, with the great lord Maitreya on the top, is my enemy. Anyone claiming that all the space brothers are good guys is lying. There is oodles of evidence to the contrary. In fact, common sense says that just as humans demonstrate a continuum of good and bad, with most of us somewhere inbetween, beings from other places would probably be the same: some helpful, some self-serving, some just plain mean. This is a whole topic in itself, and I don't have time to get into it. I've got a client with a deadline and have to avoid getting into new FFL discussions for a while. But I'd be pleased to hash it out in the future. Did you ever see the movie, Mars Attack? Great comedy about hostile aliens who keep on saying, We come in peace as they evaporate people with their ray guns. Also a great send-up of new agers as they insist the aliens will come in peace and they're the first ones to get zapped! - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hierarchy Schmierarchy (Re: New Cropcircles)
Sounds pretty funny, Pete, I'll order it. - Bronte Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quotation from the space-brothers interview article: JF: There are so called abductions and cattle mutilations. Should one take them seriously? What is this in relation to UFOs? BC: The question of abductions and cattle mutilations is part of the general cover-up. They are a way of invalidating the harmlessness of the Space Brothers and making people afraid of the Space Brothers. The Space Brothers know nothing of harm and mean no harm for this planet. If they had, they could have destroyed this planet long ago. No one is ever abducted in a spaceship. These cattle mutilations are deliberately made as cover-ups to put the blame on the Space Brothers and therefore to make people afraid of them. The whole thing is a plot against this enormously important and enormously serious interchange between the planets, to keep power for a limited number of people on this planet. It will be, as I say, only for a limited time until the Hierarchy of Masters is known and accepted, until Maitreya is known and accepted, and then the reality of the UFOs will come out. Bronte: I read 2/3 of the document, up to this quoted portion. Anyone wanting to hand us another hierarchy, with the great lord Maitreya on the top, is my enemy. Anyone claiming that all the space brothers are good guys is lying. There is oodles of evidence to the contrary. In fact, common sense says that just as humans demonstrate a continuum of good and bad, with most of us somewhere inbetween, beings from other places would probably be the same: some helpful, some self-serving, some just plain mean. This is a whole topic in itself, and I don't have time to get into it. I've got a client with a deadline and have to avoid getting into new FFL discussions for a while. But I'd be pleased to hash it out in the future. Did you ever see the movie, Mars Attack? Great comedy about hostile aliens who keep on saying, We come in peace as they evaporate people with their ray guns. Also a great send-up of new agers as they insist the aliens will come in peace and they're the first ones to get zapped! - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. __ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 - Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
--And you live where? New Delhi? Please explain why you believe these people are Enlightened. Did they make a claim to this? (which would be OK, if so that could simply be a factual statement; or it could be am empty boast). Do these individuals practice TM? If so, then at least temporarily, they had a Guru!. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gordon Grobelny, Loralin Tomlin, Krista Fisher, Mary Kaminski, Richard Spang ... these are just off the top of my head, people living within 15 miles of me. matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Let the buyer beware. It's our responsibility, which becomes skilled in the light of additional direct experience: IMO the more Gurus the better. This provides an insurance plan against getting duped by any possible charlatans; but more important, in all likelihood, the vast majority of Gurus (unless ouright phonies); have SOMETHING to offer that might be of value; in which case it's our responsibility to separate the wheat from the chaff. Example: Once Baba Ram Dass (Dr. Richard Alpert) was on the radio in the 70's commenting on MMY. His conclusion was that what MMY had to offer was of no value because (in Ram Dass's opinion), he seemed to be attached to money. So what, even if this were true (actually, from a Spiritual perspective this would be impossible - a topic covered recently; the outer exhibition is another story reserved for later discussion). But what does this have to do with TM as a technique?. So, in a relative sense nobody's perfect. See the benefits in anything/everything, and discard what's useless. So, you believe that people can get Enlightened without a Guru. OK, name one such person. That's your challenge for today. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ wrote: Bronte: My friend, what should I call you? I can't pronounce your web name -- so, friend: Thanks for this observation, and I agree: learning to play an instrument is often easier with a teacher, but not always. And teachers are not essential, although most gurus will tell you that they are. It's one thing to say I'm a great real estate agent and will help you sell your house if you like versus saying You will never sell your house without my help, you poor miserable schlep. The latter being analogous to most gurus are saying. And I'll continue to gripe about that kind of manipulation. --So which approach is easier, with, or without a teacher? (in generaly, don't talk about isolated exceptions). In advance, let's take care of one exception: HWL Poonja. He states that in his last incarnation (prior to being HWL Poonja...died in the 90's), he was an advanced Krishna-bhakti Yogi. Then as Poonja in the course of his travels as an engineer, he happens to get an urge to visit Ramana Maharshi in his cave. Poonja tells RM about his many visions of Krishna, and RM asks, Are you having a vision right now?. Then after a few more leading questions RM in essence tells Poonja he's already Enlightened. Poonja got it and became Enlightened on the spot. But then, RM was a teacher, wasn't he? In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ ... wrote: ---Sure, one can get Enlightened without a Guru; likewise, one can learn how to play the violin without a teacher. (as Borak would sayNOT !). Bronte: Curious, I know lots of people who've taught themselves musical instruments. - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bronte Baxter Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 6:51 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin) Gordon Grobelny, Loralin Tomlin, Krista Fisher, Mary Kaminski, Richard Spang ... these are just off the top of my head, people living within 15 miles of me. Please elaborate on the nature of their enlightenment. We probably need to make sure we all mean the same thing by the term. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 9/17/2007 1:29 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only guidance needed is one's own inner guidance. It's the nature of the human spirit to wake up. Good point. I think the experience itself teaches you. But people would need some knowledge so that they know what is going on. It is scary at times, even if blissful at the same time OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
Interesting, I never really thought of it as Kundalini until this thread, but when I think about it, I can't imagine anything as powerful and purifying. I'll keep your advice in mind, thanks ! OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This looks like it could be kundalini awakening or attempting to awake - good to have proper guidance, this is not available in TM- it requres working directly with a kundalini master that has traversed the kundlini path from start to realization. In case you have not noticed, I am in the kundalini path but there are also other such masters that are capable to guide. Kundalini especially is active around 3 3o am, if it is an on going thing and not ocasional, then this may be the awakened kundalini- it cant be switched off- it can be the greatest blessing or greatest curse- most likely the former when proper guidance is in place --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ wrote: Off-World, this is absolutely exciting. I've always wanted to talk to someone who was having red-hot, metal-melting kundulini on an almost daily basis. I have so much I want to ask. So here goes, with inserted questions below. (For anyone who missed Off-World's fascinating post, I've also left the original intact at the bottom.) Off-World wrote: snip It is full of bliss, all-power, bright light, emptiness, and fear all at the same time. Very strange. Hmm. I don't feel fear or emptiness when I have the burning, although I don't like it when I want to fall asleep. Can you sleep when this is going on? It is like a half-way sleep, sometimes asleep, often woken up, and often aware of it during sleep. Sometimes softer, sometimes stronger. About the fear and emptiness ... what is it that's empty? What is the fear OF? That you will burn up? I The fear is of anihilation. It seems like anihilation, like something else could take over that is not me, but I have come to the point of facing that very powerful sense, and not fearing the fear so to speak. have considered sometimes that if the burning I feel got much more intense, it WOULD be scary -- I'd be afraid I was going to burn up. Do you think people CAN burn up from kundulini? I don't know. Part of what I am getting is that it could destroy me, but I decided to not be afraid of that. I suppose if a person thinks that they, as an individual, is important, then it defeats the part of the purpose of enlightenment, which is letting go of ego. So the paradox is that the fear is of annihilation, but humans naturally have a strong sense of self preservation, and unless they aceept the possibility of total annihilation of the soul, then they are still atached to their own ego. It is normal to fear annihilation of the soul I think, but I have decided that is a barrier to my evolution, and so I decided to never fear that natural fear anymore. My one weensy soul is not important to the universe, so why not risk it. People who've died of spontaneous combustion -- do you think that's what it was all about? Not sure, could be related, it sometimes actuall feels like that could happen, but I don't think this would happen with most people, if it were a potential. My take on the fear thing is that while it's present with kundulini at times, it is not kundulini itself but rather a person's resistance to it, their doubting of it. By itself, kudulini is power and fire and beautiful. It is the trumpet call that wakes the spirit and calls the body to new life. Maybe that's what the angel's trumpet call symbolizes in the Book of Revelations. Maybe,and I think fear is necessary. You cannot annihilate fear. It is natural to the universe. I heard Maharishi explain once that the infinity is afraid of being annihilated by the point value and visa- versa, so it is inbuilt into the dynamics of existence. The 3 in 1 structure of consciousness (Being) is a direct result of this reverberation as one extreme expands to the other, and back. I did not get, nor accept, Maharishi's answer at that time(to a purusha guy's question about how he was percieving fear within the transcndent or something like that). In fact, I was annoyed by this talk of fear, and ignored it. But now, I can see the importance of it. It is a wonderful thing. So I am starting to think of fear as an energy, it is just that humans and other animals use that energy as a tool of practical life, such that it becomes ingrained as something negative. But we need to pull back and see the big picture. It is an energy, and I think that yogis learn to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 15, 2007, at 3:00 AM, Bronte Baxter wrote: Off-world, where did you get that stuff about the kundulini? Is it a strong feeling you get, something some teacher predicted, something you read somewhere? It sounds kind of extreme to me. I think a new time is coming, but I hope transformation doesn't have to burn us alive. Kundulini can come burningly or softly. I've experienced it both ways. It's not meant to kill you but to open you. That's my take on it anyway. And it shouldn't if it's a balanced and stabilized awakening. Once one is stabilized above the ajna, one will experience death in different ways. Most of the rockets and fire descriptions of shakti unfoldment are from either imbalanced awakenings or blockages--but they seem to be more interesting and what writers and the like can get attention with--or it appeals to people's sense of fascination. True, I have massive blockages, and that is why I know I am no where near enlightened. I think the point I would make though is that if you are not prepared to be burnt up out of all existence, and let go of the ego in that way, then the purifying effect may not be as powerful or as effective, and then perhaps a person would be on a very long multiple lifetime journey to evolve. That path is not for me. But I could be wrong, just thoughts. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
Keep us in touch how it goes with your experience. I am glad mine made some sense to you. Things are happening in world consciousness, and I think we will see massive changes in our lifetimes. Remember to wear your seatbelt ! OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About the fear and emptiness ... what is it that's empty? What is the fear OF? That you will burn up? I The fear is of anihilation. It seems like anihilation, like something else could take over that is not me, but I have come to the point of facing that very powerful sense, and not fearing the fear so to speak. I think I have the same fear only I experience it differently. I don't fear that I as a person could be annihilated but that my body could be. And I fear that the fire I have to walk through is too strange, that I'll be completely scrambled and come out completely different on the other side. Sort of like how I suppose I'd feel if someone were going to beam me up for the first time in a Star Trek scenario. I don't know. Part of what I am getting is that it could destroy me, but I decided to not be afraid of that. I suppose if a person thinks that they, as an individual, is important, then it defeats the part of the purpose of enlightenment, which is letting go of ego. So the paradox is that the fear is of annihilation, but humans naturally have a strong sense of self preservation, and unless they aceept the possibility of total annihilation of the soul, then they are still atached to their own ego. It is normal to fear annihilation of the soul I think, but I have decided that is a barrier to my evolution, and so I decided to never fear that natural fear anymore. My one weensy soul is not important to the universe, so why not risk it. I think you're very courageous for moving through the fear. But I don't think it's at all true that your precious soul is not important to the universe. That's like saying the branch is not important to the tree. The tree needs the branch, it's a part of itself. Even when the branch realizes it is tree, it will always still be branch, and important as such. It just will have a much broader vision. Maybe,and I think fear is necessary. You cannot annihilate fear. It is natural to the universe. I heard Maharishi explain once that the infinity is afraid of being annihilated by the point value and visa- versa, so it is inbuilt into the dynamics of existence. The 3 in 1 structure of consciousness (Being) is a direct result of this reverberation as one extreme expands to the other, and back. I did not get, nor accept, Maharishi's answer at that time(to a purusha guy's question about how he was percieving fear within the transcndent or something like that). In fact, I was annoyed by this talk of fear, and ignored it. But now, I can see the importance of it. It is a wonderful thing. So I am starting to think of fear as an energy, it is just that humans and other animals use that energy as a tool of practical life, such that it becomes ingrained as something negative. But we need to pull back and see the big picture. It is an energy, and I think that yogis learn to transform (not annihilate, or ignore) that energy into power. I like that last part -- that fear is just an energy and that yogis learn to transform it into power. I think you're onto something here. I don't agree that fear is intrinsic to life though or anything like that. To me, fear is the gap, the g in Agni (if you remember MMY's teaching on that). It's the place Consciousness fell into when it manifested into diversity. First there was just wholeness, then it went to express. As it started to split into myriad forms, it got scared, feeling separate and alone and unsure. It felt detached from its Source. So all creation developed with fear at its very core, at its very heart. When we go backwards, reclimbing the stair, we experience the fear in our core again -- very consciously -- right before we reattain the wholeness. In making the fear conscious and moving forward anyway, we dissolve it and are freed. That's my intuitive feeling about it anyway. I cannot be sure it should be called kundalini. It is very powerful and extreme and hits the brain like a bolt of electricity, but bright and purifying. Well, I'm convinced it's kundulini. What else could it be? I let it do its thing. I have always felt it was a good thing (though sometimes I was scared of the annihilation sense), and it ALWAYS ends in a sweet bathing of bliss for and hour or more. You inspire me with your courage and your trust in the goodness and naturalness of the experience. What you've said will help me to do the same. Not that I have it all the time like you do, but when it's there, I will be more willing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hierarchy Schmierarchy (Re: New Cropcircles)
Peter wrote: Did you ever see the movie, Mars Attack? Great comedy about hostile aliens who keep on saying, We come in peace as they evaporate people with their ray guns. Also a great send-up of new agers as they insist the aliens will come in peace and they're the first ones to get zapped! The funniest part was how they got rid of the aliens. Especially funny for musicians. :D
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
We do. I know the movement definition, and they fit it, with lots of individuality besides. Real dynamic people, with the silence of Self as background all the time. I'm not going to get into dissecting their inner workings, folks. These are mostly friends of mine. Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bronte Baxter Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 6:51 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin) Gordon Grobelny, Loralin Tomlin, Krista Fisher, Mary Kaminski, Richard Spang ... these are just off the top of my head, people living within 15 miles of me. Please elaborate on the nature of their enlightenment. We probably need to make sure we all mean the same thing by the term. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 9/17/2007 1:29 PM - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
Well Bronte, The honesty of this situation is I have presented my beliefs. Your beliefs are otherwise. That's fine- so this is how it stands. [Bronte: The only guidance needed is one's own inner guidance. It's the nature of the human spirit to wake up.] Ron: My comments, coming from my path will mirror that of Ramana Maharishi's admonisions. Bronte: I disagree with almost everything of the philosophy of the Neo- Advaitins, RM's very much included. Ron: Regarding a mentor or Guru, it is 100% that one will need this for unfolding enlightenment. Bronte: This is a typical guru mind-enslavement statement: You can't do it without me. It spiritually disempowering of seekers and self- aggrandizing of gurus, designed to suck in clients. It's like a real estate agent telling you can't possibly sell our house successfully without an agent to guide you. Imagine what would happen to business if people realized they could do it by themselves? Ron: Some very rare one's will do it on their own. It is ego which declares a Guru is not needed, or even I am that rare one - after all, Ramana did it this way and so can I. Bronte: Good sales line: it's your ego. That one really snags the spiritual consumer. Get 'em with their guilt. Way to go, Ramana Maharishi! Ron: Why? because one in darkness needs light- and the light is just not there. If it were, then one wouldn't be in darkness.The Guru is the one that has traversed the journey from start to Realization, having gone through it, they are the light to show others. Bronte: What do you mean, the light is just not there? What is a human being's nature, darkness or light? Don't you believe that everything is God's light? Then how can you think one can't become aware of that light within themselves by the power of that light within themselves? To wake up to one's nature is as natural as waking up in the morning. Saying you can't do it by yourself is like saying you'd never wake up in the morning if you didn't have your mother to call you. Ron: In my path, it is not that they desire to be guru or step forward to do so, they are commissioned by their own Guru's to do so. Bronte: That may well be. It's those who've bought the sales pitch who are best equipped to perpetuate it. - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin:
Off-World, I think it's so cute how you always say, But I could be wrong. Just thoughts. You are very humble and non-dogmatic. Open-minded and honest. I like that about you. If I lived in Fairfield, I'd host that party Rick talked about and invite this whole bunch. I'd love to get to know all you guys. - Bronte off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 15, 2007, at 3:00 AM, Bronte Baxter wrote: Off-world, where did you get that stuff about the kundulini? Is it a strong feeling you get, something some teacher predicted, something you read somewhere? It sounds kind of extreme to me. I think a new time is coming, but I hope transformation doesn't have to burn us alive. Kundulini can come burningly or softly. I've experienced it both ways. It's not meant to kill you but to open you. That's my take on it anyway. And it shouldn't if it's a balanced and stabilized awakening. Once one is stabilized above the ajna, one will experience death in different ways. Most of the rockets and fire descriptions of shakti unfoldment are from either imbalanced awakenings or blockages--but they seem to be more interesting and what writers and the like can get attention with--or it appeals to people's sense of fascination. True, I have massive blockages, and that is why I know I am no where near enlightened. I think the point I would make though is that if you are not prepared to be burnt up out of all existence, and let go of the ego in that way, then the purifying effect may not be as powerful or as effective, and then perhaps a person would be on a very long multiple lifetime journey to evolve. That path is not for me. But I could be wrong, just thoughts. OffWorld - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation
On Sep 17, 2007, at 7:51 PM, emptybill wrote: On Sep 16, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Bronte Baxter wrote: I think it dismisses way too much to reduce the gods to qualities of consciousness. In the sense that we are all just qualities of consciousness, I suppose you could say that's true. But in the practical sense, the gods are unique individuals, no different that way than a flesh-and-blood person. They simply exist on a dimension that is vibrating faster than this one and therefore not visible to the eye. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just glancing over it, it smells of TMO reductionism. It makes westerners feel more at ease or as if there is no form corresponding to the sound (of the bija) that they'd have to worry about. Emptybill says: So Vaj help me out. Are you simply saying that Bronte's explanation accords with Aurobindo and the TMO? No, I'm pointing out the reformist movements of Aurobindo, et al, are not only parallels with the post-Shankara Vaishnavite revival where the merchant class, controlling translation of Shaivite texts attempted to obscure their origins and to connect the Shaivite gnosis to an imagined Vedic tradition, but they themselves (Aurobindo, Vivekanada, the TMO and others) are also similar to the Vaishnavite- inspired tendencies which occurred during the British colonial period to reduce the older Dravidian gnosis to something palatable for western prejudices. And again they tried to blend the earlier Dravidian teachings and tried to link them to some imagined Vedic tradition. But truly there is little or nothing left of the Aryan Vedic tradition. Most of practical Hindu spirituality--including the Hindu sciences (Ayurveda, Vastu, etc.)--are all tantric in origin. Even the Bhagavad-gita is derived derived from the agamas. Because saying it accords with Vaishnava explanations doesn't make sense to me. Not Vaishnavism in the sense you're thinking, but Vaishnavism as the religion of the city and priests which seeks to co-opt the Pagan, ecstatic religions of the Shaivites and the Agamas, and reduce it to something acceptable to city dwellers. And today, acceptable to the west, primarily Judaeo-Christians. Most of them are super-concretizers. However, saying that many Westerners attempt to find a diffuse, metaphoric way to explain deva-s is certainly true of the typical Western intellectualizing Buddhist and also of some Hinduized Westerners. Yes!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
Off-World: Keep us in touch how it goes with your experience. I am glad mine made some sense to you. Things are happening in world consciousness, and I think we will see massive changes in our lifetimes. Remember to wear your seatbelt ! Bronte: My boyfriend always reminds me. ._,___ - Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
Righto, brother, and no hard feelings in the bargain. Honest sharing of thoughts is good, however it turns out. I look forward to chatting more with you in the future. - Bronte Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Bronte, The honesty of this situation is I have presented my beliefs. Your beliefs are otherwise. That's fine- so this is how it stands. [Bronte: The only guidance needed is one's own inner guidance. It's the nature of the human spirit to wake up.] Ron: My comments, coming from my path will mirror that of Ramana Maharishi's admonisions. Bronte: I disagree with almost everything of the philosophy of the Neo- Advaitins, RM's very much included. Ron: Regarding a mentor or Guru, it is 100% that one will need this for unfolding enlightenment. Bronte: This is a typical guru mind-enslavement statement: You can't do it without me. It spiritually disempowering of seekers and self- aggrandizing of gurus, designed to suck in clients. It's like a real estate agent telling you can't possibly sell our house successfully without an agent to guide you. Imagine what would happen to business if people realized they could do it by themselves? Ron: Some very rare one's will do it on their own. It is ego which declares a Guru is not needed, or even I am that rare one - after all, Ramana did it this way and so can I. Bronte: Good sales line: it's your ego. That one really snags the spiritual consumer. Get 'em with their guilt. Way to go, Ramana Maharishi! Ron: Why? because one in darkness needs light- and the light is just not there. If it were, then one wouldn't be in darkness.The Guru is the one that has traversed the journey from start to Realization, having gone through it, they are the light to show others. Bronte: What do you mean, the light is just not there? What is a human being's nature, darkness or light? Don't you believe that everything is God's light? Then how can you think one can't become aware of that light within themselves by the power of that light within themselves? To wake up to one's nature is as natural as waking up in the morning. Saying you can't do it by yourself is like saying you'd never wake up in the morning if you didn't have your mother to call you. Ron: In my path, it is not that they desire to be guru or step forward to do so, they are commissioned by their own Guru's to do so. Bronte: That may well be. It's those who've bought the sales pitch who are best equipped to perpetuate it. - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin:
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bronte Baxter Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:47 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin: Off-World, I think it's so cute how you always say, But I could be wrong. Just thoughts. You are very humble and non-dogmatic. Open-minded and honest. I like that about you. If I lived in Fairfield, I'd host that party Rick talked about and invite this whole bunch. I'd love to get to know all you guys. - Bronte Off World is in Vermont, when he’s not…… off world. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 9/17/2007 1:29 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: the doors of Kuber are opening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from Raja Konhaus of California: now the doors of Kuber -- the impulse of intelligence responsible for nourishing the world through wealth -- are opening. We're finding that financial support is coming from all sides now for our projects. source: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=1189635176329637 Do you think MMY could be a fundamentalist Hindu?
[FairfieldLife] Sam Harris replies to Jonathan Haidt
http://www.edge.org/discourse/moral_religion.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bronte, you're over generalizing. Of course I get your point about the possible dangers involved with an overcontrolling guru. But you seem to try to apply this to every guru/chela relationship and it just ain't so. MMY is a great example of an over-controlling guru. You cut your teeth on him, like I did, so of course you're head shy about gurus. Just don't say all guru relationships are like this. And by the way, the majority of people who attempt to learn an instrument on their own, don't. They know three chords, two songs, etc. Some people can learn an instrument on their own, but they're alweays listening to music, so the music is their guru. The odds of going from avidya to realization without help from the Absolute in some form or shape is just about nil. Agreed. I think that doing an effective meditation technique like TM (just my personal example-- not an ad), reading a guru's words, like Maharishi's (just my personal example-- not an ad), praying to saints like Guru Dev (just my personal example-- not an ad), can all mean following a guru by tuning the heart and intellect to that of the supremely enlightened, and by so doing, the process of Self Realization goes very quickly. However, there is never a need to become a guru's compromised follower. Doesn't mean losing our will or common sense. There is definitely a way to make it work for us, keeping it in perspective.:- )
[FairfieldLife] The fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realization
Namaste Guru G and all G:Having things stripped bare is not an attractive offer. hahahahahah people want to have *thier* lives but to have them Enhanced. And Surrender doesn't equate with the idea that *I* can get *Realization* . N: Being striped isn't attractive ether all the slobber and bed head. Ha ha ha ha. A famous Guy once said those who lose their lives have life more abundantly. He he G:The fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realization. The ME may have may insights aka realizations, but Realization only takes place when the ME is no more and has dissolved or imploded into simply Absolute. N: Yes, this me is so enlightened you should all buy my ME SO SOUP. $500.99 plus tax no Guru necessary we have a digital automated one. Soup cores requires you read the work book The Grate Me and the Guru Within written by Dorkdananda. N: The oddest things are observed. One could hardly call this deep Witnessing, but have been observing ego stuff as it mixes with mind it's like all thoughts are lies and crafted in a way that no one notices, the UN reality of thought which arises seem to be made up as one goes along. Ego is just a belief system and when that system is challenging the me freaks. But there is no me just a bunch of thought patterns that made one think im this or that. It has been very different unpleasant, some times crazy seeing the world like this, there is no descriptions or thoughts that could be accurate at all because they are made up according to the ego pattern. It all seems to be a big game. And every one seems to count on that game and getting the bigger better game. So this me is nuts, what's left of it. It's a challenge to talk or remember things, mantra spontaneous in the middle of the night and just seeing through the eyes is different. And yes, practice breath surrender and grace. Oh and more surrender. Like to kick the guy's butt who invented the me along with the guy who invented the high heel. Ha ha ha ha haaa rrrar. G:i do not offer enhancements - but rather lopping off heads. hahahahaha N: What! No pet a cure? Love Nyingje Maha Shanti
[FairfieldLife] Re: heyaM duHkham anaagatam?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no idea what she meant, thats why I asked you ! The word she used, with this strange look in her eyes was vittu. Should have checked it out now that I know the meaning, but there was this funny little american girl... I guess she was a lepakko (bat[woman]), then... ;) Your spelling even vittu correctly (let alone mukava) based on what you once heard seems to suggest your native language is not English, but some other language with a more phonetic spelling.
