[FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the article Nab, I enjoyed it. For a guy like me such a belief gumbo is very entertaining. I guess once you've bought the Masters of our Spiritual Hierarchy, crop circles are a slam dunk. The distinctions between Martin and Venusian space crafts, and the ones from Venus that were really made on Mars was a great touch. It's all a way of saying, Aren't we cool because we have all the answers? Seems to me that if they can construct space ships on uninhabitable planets to make crop circles on earth out of pure thought, they should be able to just do the crop circles the same way. Why the middle step of making a spaceship? That's always been my problem with the belief in UFOs, period. Spaceships are just so *low-tech*, man. Since it is (as reported by numerous seers over the ages, at least) theoretically possible to see anywhere in the universe instantaneously with no nagging have-to-travel-1000-years-to-get- there problems, *why bother to do it mechanically*? It seems to me that any species limited to travel- ing via low-tech spaceships couldn't possibly be terribly evolved in the first place. And *then* you throw into the mix that they're interested in Planet Earth. Guys!...have you looked *around* lately? This is a DOS planet, so unevolved on the whole that any space tourist coming here to check things out would be the alien counterpart of people who book an intensive, hands-on tour of the slums of Calcutta. Ok, so everybody's got the right to believe in what- ever inspires them...that's a given. But I really think there is an undercurrent of *self importance* underlying a lot of these beliefs. I'm so impor- tant that the earth is going to go through mighty physical changes during *my* lifetime. We're so important that space aliens from galaxies far, far away want to come here and watch us, and do homage to us by painting pictures in corn fields. At least they should be able to come up with something so strange that there would be no doubt? That's another part of it. It's been a dictum of science fiction for years -- if you *really* tried to paint a picture of what the future is likely to be, you won't have any *readers*, because they won't be able to *identify* with how different it will be. So you fake it, and paint a picture of something that is a little bit different in small ways, and the readers suspend disbelief and think they're catching a glimpse of a real possible future. These crop circles are the things that we'd see kids doodling in their notebooks in class instead of pay- ing attention to the teachers. But what do I know. In any case if you get a hold of one of these space guys will you please ask them to cure cancer or shrink the size of the avocado pit. Either one will be much appreciated! Watch yo mouf, dude. The size of the avocado pit is determined by Natural Law, and thus is an expression of God's will. You don't wanna mess wit dat. On the other hand, if you could get these apace aliens to draw pretty pictures of circles *on* an avocado pit, while it's still inside the avocado, now *that* is a mystery I could get into...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realization
---This argument can easily lead to a Neo-Advaitin fallacy since the ME is not the sum total of an individual. The I that vanishes (or the Me) is the delusion of misidentification; but not the body itself, nor a mind, nor the skin, bones, hair;, etc; otherwise there would be no Enlightened Guru left to say anything or appear anywhere. What's left is everything that existed before Enlightenment, minus the false identity that in a delusional state, creates an I in a manner analogous to Kubrick's HAL computer. But the computer still exists; and likewise, the body/mind still exists. Also, there are other sources of delusions besides the false I associated with the body/mind. Generally, any lack of knowledge in a given area (say Economics), can easily lead to various types of delusions, or misguided opinions that miss the target. There are myriads of various delusions available to misguide people. Simply crossing a street, one can be deluded into thinking that no cars are coming in your direction. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Namaste Guru G and all G:Having things stripped bare is not an attractive offer. hahahahahah people want to have *thier* lives but to have them Enhanced. And Surrender doesn't equate with the idea that *I* can get *Realization* . N: Being striped isn't attractive ether all the slobber and bed head. Ha ha ha ha. A famous Guy once said those who lose their lives have life more abundantly. He he G:The fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realization. The ME may have may insights aka realizations, but Realization only takes place when the ME is no more and has dissolved or imploded into simply Absolute. N: Yes, this me is so enlightened you should all buy my ME SO SOUP. $500.99 plus tax no Guru necessary we have a digital automated one. Soup cores requires you read the work book The Grate Me and the Guru Within written by Dorkdananda. N: The oddest things are observed. One could hardly call this deep Witnessing, but have been observing ego stuff as it mixes with mind it's like all thoughts are lies and crafted in a way that no one notices, the UN reality of thought which arises seem to be made up as one goes along. Ego is just a belief system and when that system is challenging the me freaks. But there is no me just a bunch of thought patterns that made one think im this or that. It has been very different unpleasant, some times crazy seeing the world like this, there is no descriptions or thoughts that could be accurate at all because they are made up according to the ego pattern. It all seems to be a big game. And every one seems to count on that game and getting the bigger better game. So this me is nuts, what's left of it. It's a challenge to talk or remember things, mantra spontaneous in the middle of the night and just seeing through the eyes is different. And yes, practice breath surrender and grace. Oh and more surrender. Like to kick the guy's butt who invented the me along with the guy who invented the high heel. Ha ha ha ha haaa rrrar. G:i do not offer enhancements - but rather lopping off heads. hahahahaha N: What! No pet a cure? Love Nyingje Maha Shanti
[FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep us in touch how it goes with your experience. I am glad mine made some sense to you. Things are happening in world consciousness, and I think we will see massive changes in our lifetimes. Remember to wear your seatbelt ! OffWorld It's already happening ofcourse, both inside and out. Heaven will walk on earth - in this generation. - Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] Hierarchy Schmierarchy (Re: New Cropcircles)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quotation from the space-brothers interview article: JF: There are so called abductions and cattle mutilations. Should one take them seriously? What is this in relation to UFOs? BC: The question of abductions and cattle mutilations is part of the general cover-up. They are a way of invalidating the harmlessness of the Space Brothers and making people afraid of the Space Brothers. The Space Brothers know nothing of harm and mean no harm for this planet. If they had, they could have destroyed this planet long ago. No one is ever abducted in a spaceship. These cattle mutilations are deliberately made as cover-ups to put the blame on the Space Brothers and therefore to make people afraid of them. The whole thing is a plot against this enormously important and enormously serious interchange between the planets, to keep power for a limited number of people on this planet. It will be, as I say, only for a limited time until the Hierarchy of Masters is known and accepted, until Maitreya is known and accepted, and then the reality of the UFOs will come out. Bronte: I read 2/3 of the document, up to this quoted portion. Anyone wanting to hand us another hierarchy, with the great lord Maitreya on the top, is my enemy. Anyone claiming that all the space brothers are good guys is lying. There is oodles of evidence to the contrary. In fact, common sense says that just as humans demonstrate a continuum of good and bad, with most of us somewhere inbetween, beings from other places would probably be the same: some helpful, some self-serving, some just plain mean. This is a whole topic in itself, and I don't have time to get into it. I've got a client with a deadline and have to avoid getting into new FFL discussions for a while. But I'd be pleased to hash it out in the future. Did you ever see the movie, Mars Attack? Great comedy about hostile aliens who keep on saying, We come in peace as they evaporate people with their ray guns. Also a great send-up of new agers as they insist the aliens will come in peace and they're the first ones to get zapped! Hollywood is, and has always been, a willing instrument for the forces trying to supress the truth about our Space Brothers. What amazes me is that even some meditators buy this crap. But then again, this Dr is no longer meditating.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Let the buyer beware. It's our responsibility, which becomes skilled in the light of additional direct experience: IMO the more Gurus the better. This provides an insurance plan against getting duped by any possible charlatans; but more important, in all likelihood, the vast majority of Gurus (unless ouright phonies); have SOMETHING to offer that might be of value; in which case it's our responsibility to separate the wheat from the chaff. Example: Once Baba Ram Dass (Dr. Richard Alpert) was on the radio in the 70's commenting on MMY. His conclusion was that what MMY had to offer was of no value Was that the fellow who committed suicide ?
[FairfieldLife] YogasthaH kuru karmaaNi??
http://arenan.yle.fi/toista?id=823702 At about 42 minutes of that video the Eurovision Dance Contest winners do some cha-cha. I'm not that much into dance, but that performance is in my eyes somehow especially graceful, or something, although it's not acrobatic at all. I get a strange feeling of Silence (Shiva Nataraaja, Lord of Dance?) when I watch them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: heyaM duHkham anaagatam?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: I have no idea what she meant, thats why I asked you ! The word she used, with this strange look in her eyes was vittu. Should have checked it out now that I know the meaning, but there was this funny little american girl... I guess she was a lepakko (bat[woman]), then... ;) Your spelling even vittu correctly (let alone mukava) based on what you once heard seems to suggest your native language is not English, but some other language with a more phonetic spelling. So you give no credit to 35 years of meditation, eh ? Anyway, you are correct :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Crop circles
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 1:05 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles That's always been my problem with the belief in UFOs, period. Spaceships are just so *low-tech*, man. Since it is (as reported by numerous seers over the ages, at least) theoretically possible to see anywhere in the universe instantaneously with no nagging have-to-travel-1000-years-to-get- there problems, *why bother to do it mechanically*? It seems to me that any species limited to travel- ing via low-tech spaceships couldn't possibly be terribly evolved in the first place. Maybe that’s why Maharishi dismissed them as “truck drivers of the universe.” These crop circles are the things that we'd see kids doodling in their notebooks in class instead of pay- ing attention to the teachers. Pretty talented kids: http://images.google.com/images?hl=enq=crop+circlesbtnG=Search+Imagesgbv= 2 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 9/17/2007 1:29 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bronte Baxter Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin) We do. I know the movement definition, and they fit it, with lots of individuality besides. Real dynamic people, with the silence of Self as background all the time. I'm not going to get into dissecting their inner workings, folks. These are mostly friends of mine. Don’t answer this now, because you’re over your quota, but after Friday night, please say a bit about these folks’ spiritual background – what sorts of teachers and practices they may have been involved with, if any. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 9/17/2007 1:29 PM
[FairfieldLife] I'm a shuudra!
According to this little lagna-program, I'm a shuudra. http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/downloads/arudha_lagna_software/ That explains a lot! :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Crop circles
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 1:05 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles That's always been my problem with the belief in UFOs, period. Spaceships are just so *low-tech*, man. Since it is (as reported by numerous seers over the ages, at least) theoretically possible to see anywhere in the universe instantaneously with no nagging have-to-travel-1000-years-to-get- there problems, *why bother to do it mechanically*? It seems to me that any species limited to travel- ing via low-tech spaceships couldn't possibly be terribly evolved in the first place. Maybe that's why Maharishi dismissed them as truck drivers of the universe. (I heard it as vacuum cleaners of the universe.) Sometimes people forget that UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object, not spaceship from a distant planet. So it isn't a question of believing in UFOs, as if there were some question as to whether they really exist. The issue is what one believes they would be if they could be identified. And as with crop circles, anyone who has seriously looked into what we know and don't know about UFOs realizes that no explanation for what they are and how they got here fits what we know about them. Every explanation fits *some* pieces of evidence but not others. Most people don't want to investigate that far; it's too unsettling. Even some folks who go on about how strange and wonderful the universe is and who mock people who like to have all the answers may find it too uncomfortable to look at the phenomena closely enough to see how strange they really are. Even some folks who claim they get off on the mystery of How Things Work may look just far enough to enable them to come up with reasons to comfortably dismiss the phenomena as a function of overactive imagination or of self-importance. These crop circles are the things that we'd see kids doodling in their notebooks in class instead of pay- ing attention to the teachers. Pretty talented kids: http://images.google.com/images? hl=enq=crop+circlesbtnG=Search+Imagesgbv=2 But Barry's right, basically. The thing is, that's part of what is so unsettling, because it makes no sense. It's a lot more comfortable to assume it's talented human hoaxers making the circles and decline to expose oneself to the evidence that they can't all be explained that way--or any other way, for that matter. The UFOs and crop circles that can't be explained away are, to paraphrase Haldane, not just queerer than we suppose, they're queerer than we *can* suppose.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anyth
New Morning et al: writes snipped ___Thus, for example, I understand, directly, that thoughts, and the subset of thoughts called desires, is not from any individualities' effort. Thus, the nuance, that might be sympathetic and understanding of Jim's and Rory's apparent position of: they don't desire the end to suffering in Iraq because they are not in control of such a desire, and such a thought never arose in them. (On of the several things that is odd, IMO, here is that EVEN if the thought to end suffering did not arise in them, at all, through natural observation and interaction with the world, then at least it was introduced to them as a possibility in the on-line discussion. And yet the thought to help the suffering in Iraq never arises in me, thus how can I fulfill that desire is the thought that still arises in them.) TomT: In the past I have shared here an experience at the end of a Byron Katie weekend workshop where she asked three questions of the 100+ folks on the weekend. 1. Who is Happy with their weight? 2. Who is happy with the way they look? 3. WHo is happy with their life?. If you are happy leave your hand down, if you answered No to any of the question then put up your hand. There were only three hands down in a sea of NO's. most folks were unhappy with their lot after a full weekend of focusing on Loving What IS. By the way Byron announced to the entire group that when they could be happy with the hand that was dealt to them then the War in Iraq was over for them. There seems to be an understanding that comes with the knowledge of who you are that it is all me and the only place I can fix is in me. The only place I have any control over is in me. The best thing one can do for all of creation is to deal with my monsters inside me and see how that changes me and the universe. The final verses of the Shiva sutras states it in a way that I find appealing. Third awakening from Swami Lakshmanjoo version 40. By the slight appearance of individual desire, one is carried far away from the state of God Consciousness. 41. By firmly establishing one's own Self in the state of Turiya, all desires disappear and individuality is lost into universality. 42. Such a yogi is liberated in life and as his body still exists, his is called bhuta-kanchuki - having his physical body as a mere covering just like an ordinary blanket. Hence he is supreme and one with the universal Self. 43. After remaining in this state of universal Transcendental God Consciousness, the functions of inhalation and exhalation automatically take place with the object that this whole universe of action and cognition is united in God Consciousness. 44. When one contemplates on the center of Universal Consciousness, what else remains there to be sought in the practice of prana, apana, and sushumna? 45. When a Shiva-yogi is completely established in God Consciousness, he experiences this state spontaneously within and without or both. I take verse 45 to mean that some will see all things inside them. others will see all things as me but appearing to be outside as opposed to inside me, and some will have it both ways. Rory and I got into it one day in a conversation as he definitely sees it all inside him. I on the other hand see it as all me but my inside is splattered all over creation so it feels like it is outside. When I finally found the above reference in verse 45 it all made sense and we both could then understand the other. TOm T PS by the way verses 41 and 42 are not a prescription but a description of how it goes down.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kilogram losing mass
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy: Well, to start with, I think I was confused as to what you meant by spinning. You mean spinning *in place*, right? If so, isn't it the string it's suspended by winding up and then unwinding that causes the weight to stop spinning and change direction? Bronte: The analogy isn't perfect, and I'm certainly not convinced the earth will change rotation in 2012. It's just a theory. I came up with the analogy and experiment simply from observing that an object at the end of a string rotates, and the earth rotates. Certainly I'm not suggesting the earth is suspended on some string. No, I know that. I'm just wondering what might play a role equivalent to that of the string. snip Judy: Also, I don't think there's any scientific evidence that the earth's rotation has ever reversed itself in the past. Bronte: As I said before, there is evidence in ancient texts. I know of no scientific evidence. Yebutt...the point is that if such a thing had ever happened, there *would* be some scientific evidence of it, not just stories in ancient texts.
[FairfieldLife] Gyroscope question ( Re: Kilogram losing mass)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, friend, for introducing the subject of gyroscopes. You seem to know a bit about this. Can you tell me if an object like the earth (say it operates like a gyroscope) could ever reverse direction (reverse rotational direction)? I had one a gyroscope as a kid, and it simply wound down in motion. It never reversed. Objects that hang from strings and rotate reverse their direction. But if the earth is not connected to another object by a string-like something... The short answer is - probably No. But the Earth is a gyroscope, and a homopolar generator, and is held on a sort of string - the attraction of the Earth to the Sun, which keeps it in orbit. Uns.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a shuudra!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to this little lagna-program, I'm a shuudra. http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/downloads/arudha_lagna_software/ That explains a lot! :D I think the news is even worse. If you weren't born in India you are an outcaste. Sudras outrank us!
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip Ok, so everybody's got the right to believe in what- ever inspires them...that's a given. But I really think there is an undercurrent of *self importance* underlying a lot of these beliefs. (It's interesting how many of the beliefs Barry doesn't hold are, in his determination, a function of self-importance on the part of those who do hold them.) snip At least they should be able to come up with something so strange that there would be no doubt? In fact, a certain percentage of them are so strange that no explanation anyone has come up with would be satisfactory. snip On the other hand, if you could get these apace aliens to draw pretty pictures of circles *on* an avocado pit, while it's still inside the avocado, now *that* is a mystery I could get into... Stranger even than this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: --Let the buyer beware. It's our responsibility, which becomes skilled in the light of additional direct experience: IMO the more Gurus the better. This provides an insurance plan against getting duped by any possible charlatans; but more important, in all likelihood, the vast majority of Gurus (unless ouright phonies); have SOMETHING to offer that might be of value; in which case it's our responsibility to separate the wheat from the chaff. Example: Once Baba Ram Dass (Dr. Richard Alpert) was on the radio in the 70's commenting on MMY. His conclusion was that what MMY had to offer was of no value Was that the fellow who committed suicide ? Nope, he's still alive.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More on this: Have these half dozen enlightened people who live within a 15-mile radius of you reached the pinnacle of human evolution? Must be something in the water. To my understanding, there is a vast range of spiritual growth possible, and many awakenings along the way. People often experience a few of these and assume theyre enlightened, like grade-schoolers assuming theyre educated. Of course, they are, to a degree, but it would be a shame if they assumed that they knew all there was to know and stopped there. To extend the analogy, a few people manage to self-educate to the Ph.D. level, but its very rare. The vast majority will benefit from formal education. And in that, there will be a vast differences in quality between various teachers. Because some are duds doesnt mean all are, nor that the teacher-student tradition on the whole is bogus. You might say that attaining enlightenment is different than becoming educated, because the latter involves developing relative skills and accumulating relative information, whereas enlightenment involves realizing what you already are. But the rarity of enlightenment, notwithstanding your locale, says to me that it doesnt just happen to the average person, just as education doesnt, and that disciplined instruction is advantageous for most. I like Ramana Maharishis comment when people spontaneously awoke, They did the needed work before By before he meant a previous lifetime. Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realization
--- qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---This argument can easily lead to a Neo-Advaitin fallacy since the ME is not the sum total of an individual. The I that vanishes (or the Me) is the delusion of misidentification; but not the body itself, nor a mind, nor the skin, bones, hair;, etc; otherwise there would be no Enlightened Guru left to say anything or appear anywhere. What's left is everything that existed before Enlightenment, minus the false identity that in a delusional state, creates an I in a manner analogous to Kubrick's HAL computer. But the computer still exists; and likewise, the body/mind still exists. Prior to realization, the above point is very difficult to understand. In fact it can't be understood IMHO. Prior to realization consciousness and the sense of a psychological or private individual are experienced as the same. So if somebody talks about the experiential I or me vanishing in enlightenment it seems to be annihilation of consciousness itself. This seems to be the source of much of the protests regarding this point (e.g., Bronte's recent posts). But this does not happen. Prior to Realization consciousness is projected into and identified with aspects of mind so consciousness, phenomenologically, IS the mind. A powerful delusion of individuality is created. The initial step of Realization is consciousness pulling out of this identification. When this occurs there is a clear distinction between buddhi and purusha and a clear recognition that I no longer exists as a private psychological self, but is completely unbounded and non-localized. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Archer Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:51 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin) From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bronte Baxter Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin) We do. I know the movement definition, and they fit it, with lots of individuality besides. Real dynamic people, with the silence of Self as background all the time. I'm not going to get into dissecting their inner workings, folks. These are mostly friends of mine. Don’t answer this now, because you’re over your quota, but after Friday night, please say a bit about these folks’ spiritual background – what sorts of teachers and practices they may have been involved with, if any. More on this: Have these half dozen “enlightened” people who live within a 15-mile radius of you reached the pinnacle of human evolution? Must be something in the water. To my understanding, there is a vast range of spiritual growth possible, and many awakenings along the way. People often experience a few of these and assume they’re enlightened, like grade-schoolers assuming they’re educated. Of course, they are, to a degree, but it would be a shame if they assumed that they knew all there was to know and stopped there. To extend the analogy, a few people manage to self-educate to the Ph.D. level, but it’s very rare. The vast majority will benefit from formal education. And in that, there will be a vast differences in quality between various teachers. Because some are duds doesn’t mean all are, nor that the teacher-student tradition on the whole is bogus. You might say that attaining enlightenment is different than becoming educated, because the latter involves developing relative skills and accumulating relative information, whereas enlightenment involves realizing what you already are. But the rarity of enlightenment, notwithstanding your locale, says to me that it doesn’t just “happen” to the average person, just as education doesn’t, and that disciplined instruction is advantageous for most. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 9/17/2007 1:29 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Off-World's Kundulini Experience (Was Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: snip Example: Once Baba Ram Dass (Dr. Richard Alpert) was on the radio in the 70's commenting on MMY. His conclusion was that what MMY had to offer was of no value Was that the fellow who committed suicide? Nope, he's still very much with us.
[FairfieldLife] Learning a musical instrument without a teacher
I taught myself how to read music and play piano and guitar. I got pretty good on the piano -- could play any of several hundred songs by memory -- learned the first movement of the Moonlight Sonata one note at a time. But finally I hit a wall -- the passages I wanted to next learn to play were becoming impossible for me because I had self-taught bad fingering. I had bad habits that prevented me from the next step up in keyboard skills. Shudda had a teacher, shudda learned by using the correct fingering on the basic scales etc. It didn't stop me from learning more songs, but I was always looking over the fence to greener pastures I would never roam. So, heck with re-inventing the wheel, learn from someone who's been there, save yourself a lot of time lost building bad habits etc. You know, stand on the shoulders of giants. I had bragging rights -- could say the magic words self taught, but I'd rather be able to say, My parents forced me to take piano lessons from seven to 13 years old. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bronte: My friend, what should I call you? I can't pronounce your web name -- so, friend: Thanks for this observation, and I agree: learning to play an instrument is often easier with a teacher, but not always. And teachers are not essential, although most gurus will tell you that they are. It's one thing to say I'm a great real estate agent and will help you sell your house if you like versus saying You will never sell your house without my help, you poor miserable schlep. The latter being analogous to most gurus are saying. And I'll continue to gripe about that kind of manipulation. --So which approach is easier, with, or without a teacher? (in generaly, don't talk about isolated exceptions). In advance, let's take care of one exception: HWL Poonja. He states that in his last incarnation (prior to being HWL Poonja...died in the 90's), he was an advanced Krishna-bhakti Yogi. Then as Poonja in the course of his travels as an engineer, he happens to get an urge to visit Ramana Maharshi in his cave. Poonja tells RM about his many visions of Krishna, and RM asks, Are you having a vision right now?. Then after a few more leading questions RM in essence tells Poonja he's already Enlightened. Poonja got it and became Enlightened on the spot. But then, RM was a teacher, wasn't he? In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ ... wrote: ---Sure, one can get Enlightened without a Guru; likewise, one can learn how to play the violin without a teacher. (as Borak would sayNOT !). Bronte: Curious, I know lots of people who've taught themselves musical instruments. - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 17, 2007, at 11:20 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:24 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Sep 16, 2007, at 11:51 PM, Bronte Baxter wrote: I think it dismisses way too much to reduce the gods to qualities of consciousness. In the sense that we are all just qualities of consciousness, I suppose you could say that's true. But in the practical sense, the gods are unique individuals, no different that way than a flesh-and-blood person. They simply exist on a dimension that is vibrating faster than this one and therefore not visible to the eye. Just glancing over it, it smells of TMO reductionism. Better clean out your nose, Vaj. It's not just a TMO notion by any means. Nor did I indicate it was. Well, yes, you did. You said It smells of TMO reductionism, not It smells of the reductionism that's been a popular trend since at least Aurobindo, but possibly a Vaishnavite trend which is much older. Uh, no I did not say it was ONLY from the TMO (nor did I intend to). Not after I challenged you, certainly. Stop trying to twist people intentions as if you knew what they were. Yeah, it's a drag when somebody sees right through your intentions, ain't it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation
On Sep 18, 2007, at 11:40 AM, authfriend wrote: Stop trying to twist people intentions as if you knew what they were. Yeah, it's a drag when somebody sees right through your intentions, ain't it? You tell me.
[FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
We've got telescopes on earth and in space looking at the surfaces of Mars, Moon, and many other bodies -- so far -- eh, let's count, eh, hm, not a single crop circle. If the aliens are trying to get our attention, earth is the wrong canvas -- for every alien Michaelangelo, there's 1000 Earthling pranksters, er, make that 10,000 pranksters. Not sure I agree that spaceships are DOS-esque. Could be many reasons for having such vehicles -- especially if faster than light travel is possible. It may be that a siddha can teletransport to another planet, but at what cost? There's plenty of scriptures that speak about the diminishing of one's storehouse of energy when doing a bigass siddhi, so spaceships could come in handy! There's one theory that intelligent species are naturally destined to leave their home worlds and become permanently space-borne and products of low gravity environments. Lots of theories, very little facts though. The thing that bothers me a lot is that despite the thousands upon thousands of practitioners over thousands of years who garnered Vedic Jyotishi Expertise, despite all the spiritual practice that they supposedly must have done to become seers of God-like refinement, despite the claims of astounding abilities to cognize the entirety of the universe -- to visit other lokas, listen and see events in the past, the distant now, and the yet unmanifest future, despite all this, not a single scripture on earth talks about Uranus or Neptune. These planets could not be seen without a telescope, so they weren't part of the mix. I mean, come on you scammers, 5,000 years of naval gazing and star gazing, all that, and yet no one ever had God whisper in even ONE seer's (um hearer's?) ear about two giant planets that could eat the earth for lunch -- giant planets that surely would have been incorporated into the Hindu works on Jyotish. What Here's one guy's way of rationalizing this very big issue: http://tinyurl.com/36rw4m I don't buy his conclusion at all, but click on the link for its entertainment value. So, nope, cropcircles are almost certainly entirely human-made unless Masters of Space are also creepy types who, despite their incredible knowledge about physics and the laws of nature, spend their time mystifying Earthlings with designs in food crops, instead of, you know, landing, for instance, and saying, Hi. To tell you the truth, if you want real aliens to talk to, why consider that famous parrot that died a few days ago. That bird did more to me than any cropcircle -- that bird made me believe in animal minds being, as if, whole alien worlds that need traveling to, need understanding. Even with the astounding evidence of animal minds that are very sophisticated -- apes, birds, dogs, elephants, dolphins, etc., the tabloids are trying to invent these whacky goofyass foci of attention for the purpose of selling newspapers. To hell with, you know, anything real. Where's the billions put into animal research? What could we learn about the alien worlds of dolphin cultures that would impact our own cultural sensibilities? What if the dolphins are actually speaking a language that is as rich as our own? What if dolphins create artistic masterpieces of holographic sound that on the other side of the world a group of whales pause to appreciate? These opportunities are left unexplored, but, hey, we'd better try to contact aliens we've never contacted yet to date. I say, better for us to try to understand the species we already have at our doorsteps -- try to understand what's right here, right now. For all you new agers out there who believe the gossip about the whales are leaving the earth now cuz it's a whole new phase the planet is entering -- at least you could put your attention on whales right now before they leave -- but to spin your wheels on space alien speculation is, well, tawdry and telling. God gave us whales, and we're, like, um, don't you have something more bug-eyed, something more tentacled and ooky, something with, say, a starship? Waste your time out there all you want, but don't bother me about cropcircles again. Same deal for angels. Same deal for gods. Same deal for the promises of most gurus. Penny Wise R Us -- it's so last semester. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Thanks for the article Nab, I enjoyed it. For a guy like me such a belief gumbo is very entertaining. I guess once you've bought the Masters of our Spiritual Hierarchy, crop circles are a slam dunk. The distinctions between Martin and Venusian space crafts, and the ones from Venus that were really made on Mars was a great touch. It's all a way of saying, Aren't we cool because we have all the answers? Seems to me that if they can construct space ships on uninhabitable planets to make crop circles on earth
[FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So, nope, cropcircles are almost certainly entirely human-made unless Masters of Space are also creepy types who, despite their incredible knowledge about physics and the laws of nature, spend their time mystifying Earthlings with designs in food crops, instead of, you know, landing, for instance, and saying, Hi. Is ETs mystifying Earthlings the only alternative to human agency where crop circles are concerned? Or might there be other, even creepier possibilities? Or might *none* of the possibilities we're capable of dreaming up account for the known facts? How diligently have you examined the evidence? Are you aware of what the known facts *are*?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
On Sep 18, 2007, at 11:57 AM, Duveyoung wrote: Where's the billions put into animal research? What could we learn about the alien worlds of dolphin cultures that would impact our own cultural sensibilities? What if the dolphins are actually speaking a language that is as rich as our own? What if dolphins create artistic masterpieces of holographic sound that on the other side of the world a group of whales pause to appreciate? These opportunities are left unexplored, but, hey, we'd better try to contact aliens we've never contacted yet to date. Read John Lilly's The Mind of the Dolphin: A Nonhuman Intelligence. I also highly recommend his autobiography, The Centre of the Cyclone. His work inspired the movies Day of the Dolphin and Altered States. Not to be missed. The Tibetans and the Kapalikas have detailed info on extraterrestrials which are used as protectors in many practices.
[FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
Or might there be other, even creepier possibilities? My working theory right now is that the crop circles represent the equivalent of a Nutrition and Content Label for the cockroach-like overlords who are going to land on earth and eat us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: snip So, nope, cropcircles are almost certainly entirely human-made unless Masters of Space are also creepy types who, despite their incredible knowledge about physics and the laws of nature, spend their time mystifying Earthlings with designs in food crops, instead of, you know, landing, for instance, and saying, Hi. Is ETs mystifying Earthlings the only alternative to human agency where crop circles are concerned? Or might there be other, even creepier possibilities? Or might *none* of the possibilities we're capable of dreaming up account for the known facts? How diligently have you examined the evidence? Are you aware of what the known facts *are*?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Learning a musical instrument without a teacher
Duveyoung wrote: I taught myself how to read music and play piano and guitar. I got pretty good on the piano -- could play any of several hundred songs by memory -- learned the first movement of the Moonlight Sonata one note at a time. But finally I hit a wall -- the passages I wanted to next learn to play were becoming impossible for me because I had self-taught bad fingering. I had bad habits that prevented me from the next step up in keyboard skills. Shudda had a teacher, shudda learned by using the correct fingering on the basic scales etc. It didn't stop me from learning more songs, but I was always looking over the fence to greener pastures I would never roam. So, heck with re-inventing the wheel, learn from someone who's been there, save yourself a lot of time lost building bad habits etc. You know, stand on the shoulders of giants. I had bragging rights -- could say the magic words self taught, but I'd rather be able to say, My parents forced me to take piano lessons from seven to 13 years old. Edg There are lots of people who've learned to play by ear without any lessons. But as a musician and music teacher who has taught keyboard technique is mainly vital to allow for playing with ease and without physical tension. Good teachers though can be hard to find and one may not even click with a good one. So even there it is a bit like guru searching. The main key especially for teaching children is getting them to play something early on that inspires them to keep learning. They need a muscial shaktipat so to speak. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anyth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip 45. When a Shiva-yogi is completely established in God Consciousness, he experiences this state spontaneously within and without or both. I take verse 45 to mean that some will see all things inside them. others will see all things as me but appearing to be outside as opposed to inside me, and some will have it both ways. Rory and I got into it one day in a conversation as he definitely sees it all inside him. I on the other hand see it as all me but my inside is splattered all over creation so it feels like it is outside. When I finally found the above reference in verse 45 it all made sense and we both could then understand the other. TOm T PS by the way verses 41 and 42 are not a prescription but a description of how it goes down. Hi Tom, Thanks for this invaluable bit of research. My view is like yours in that it is all me, but distinctly outside. I've been contrasting mine with Rory's for awhile (not that there's anything wrong with it...), and kept reaching the same conclusion as you did, vis a vis verse 45.:-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a shuudra!
curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to this little lagna-program, I'm a shuudra. http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/downloads/arudha_lagna_software/ That explains a lot! :D I think the news is even worse. If you weren't born in India you are an outcaste. Sudras outrank us! However many Indians consider anyone who is intellectually inclined a Brahmin regardless of how you were born. They don't believe you can't rise above your caste.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
Duveyoung wrote: The thing that bothers me a lot is that despite the thousands upon thousands of practitioners over thousands of years who garnered Vedic Jyotishi Expertise, despite all the spiritual practice that they supposedly must have done to become seers of God-like refinement, despite the claims of astounding abilities to cognize the entirety of the universe -- to visit other lokas, listen and see events in the past, the distant now, and the yet unmanifest future, despite all this, not a single scripture on earth talks about Uranus or Neptune. These planets could not be seen without a telescope, so they weren't part of the mix. I mean, come on you scammers, 5,000 years of naval gazing and star gazing, all that, and yet no one ever had God whisper in even ONE seer's (um hearer's?) ear about two giant planets that could eat the earth for lunch -- giant planets that surely would have been incorporated into the Hindu works on Jyotish. What Here's one guy's way of rationalizing this very big issue: http://tinyurl.com/36rw4m I don't buy his conclusion at all, but click on the link for its entertainment value. It is probably more likely that Jyotishis only used the planets that could be seen with the eyes because they were ONLY used as markers for cycles in nature and not because they exerted any influence. The only two bodies that really exert any significant influence on our environment are the Sun and the Moon. Many Indians only pay attention to the Panchang which is lunar based. All the other planets are way too far away to even a gravitational influence. That's also why horoscope readings aren't very precise, because the planets are only loosely useful for tracking nature's cycles. If you look at a horoscope more abstractly then insights can be had but still close enough that you can't read a chart with a different ascendant and have it apply. I think there is a lot we don't understand about being born at different times of the day and entering into life that way as well as the season we are born into. Probably in the next few decades scientists will stumble across this information.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
This is a great discussion for finding out how we each approach epistemology. I've been doing some Web hunting as well as following the links Judy sent. A few points first: I see that crop circles are not cut now, thanks. I didn't know if all of them are flattened but I haven't found any cut ones. Every picture on the Web has been through picture processing software. the question is not Were the pictures Photoshopped, or the equivalent but which aspects of the photo processing software was used aside from the cropping and compression features of the program. It is not that the pictures all had to be created from the ground up in Photoshop, but tweeked to appear more amazing then they really are on the ground. Think O.J.'s darkened face on the cover of Time for a tweek that matters. When photos are used as evidence of something amazing, the participation of image editing software can't be Occom's razored out. I am not doubting that there are crop circles in fields, I am questioning if all the pictures I have seen are in fields. As an expert Photoshop user and digital photographer its influence in Web photos particularly always has to be accounted for and tracked. This leads to the most important distinction for me. Who is the source of our information? This is where life is simple for Nabby and not so much for Judy and me. For Nabby he has an authority whom he trusts, Benjamin Creme. So that ends his epistemological issues. Since I don't see him as an authority on anything I have to go further. I don't know Judy's position on his authority but I suspect she had to go through the process I am in right now, whose information from the ground do I trust. Judy: This is a good, fairly objective text intro on the topic: http://www.swirlednews.com/crop.asp ME: I found that this group reveals their bias in their own words: Swirled News is edited by Andy Thomas, author of five books on crop circles including Vital Signs, which has been described by many as the definitive guide to the circle phenomenon. Like many of the links this group is economically invested in the belief that these are more than man-made art projects. Like Steve and Karen Alexander, they are part of the business of selling the photos. Having read all of Steve's site I have a suspicion that he may view these more on their artistic merit than their supernatural implications, but he also includes that info. Although many cottage industries that have popped up around this phenomenon, this doesn't rule out that something amazing is happening, it just means that the term objective shouldn't be applied to people who sell stuff related to the belief. In my Web searchs many of the the visible experts in this field are photographers who sell these images. So for me the question is who on the ground claiming that something amazing has happened can I believe? Here is a good summery of some of the questions that should be accounted for: Nice summary of the questions that don't have answers yet: http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa021802a.htm Some of these problems are merely claims made by people who need to be examined further. This is where peer reviewed science is really called for. It is also an area that Judy can help me with if she wouldn't mind posting some sources she trusts. Here is an example of a guy who I do not trust so far: An example of a guy who believes: http://www.greatdreams.com/crop/hoax/hoax.htm His first sentence damns him in my book: Most serious crop circle researchers agree that a majority of the formations are not being made by the human specie, and seem to be symbolic messages from an unknown, high intelligence. From my research even the believers in the theory that man didn't make some of these, put the hoax number closer to 80%. His inability to understand that saying we don't know how something was made doesn't mean that we have evidence that they are symbolic messages from and unknown, high intelligence makes me doubt he has the mental chops to sincerely approach any mystery objectively. But he refers to others who may have more credibility: http://www.bltresearch.com/ Judy is familiar with this group sent me the link before. Although they are economically invested, they are a nonprofit supported by donations and possibly lectures (I don't know if they charge for these) they seem sincerely interested in the phenomenon and I haven't drawn any conclusions about their information yet. I need to dig in deeper. If what they say is really based on objectively corroborated facts, then we are on the trail of a mystery. Hopefully Judy can help me get to the bottom of these guys as well as offering other groups that seem to approach this topic with the same seriousness. Finally here are some very clever students who have shown me how complex you can make these things without alien help: Students demonstrate crop circles http://www.amtsgym-sdbg.dk/as/ufo-2001/cirkleri-uk.htm
[FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
Judy, I've read extensively about the concept, spacefaring aliens. Books and books about it. I can come up with reasons all day long for why cropcircles are important to examine -- if anything, that dynamic of human nervous systems that leads them to make crop circles to fool folks is probably something psychology should look at deeply -- if only to see if that dynamic is operative -- perhaps pathologically -- in other mental operations common to most humans. Maybe we get married, and commit to believing in another, because of this dynamic more than love, for instance. Dunno. So, I'm all for layin' out traps in the cornfields so's ta catch us a mess o'them circlers and study them up proper. Maybe the earth is being sacredly tattooed by aliens -- you know, the designs are yantras that imbue the earth with new resonances that promote the coming Aquarian Age, or, the aliens are contemplating the circles like Zen monks contemplate candle flames. Or, maybe the aliens are Super Bill Witherspoonic Artists. Whatever floats yer boat -- the possibilities that cropcircles could be something important to study can be endlessly speculated upon. In today's world where Criss Angel is faking levitation with camera tricks and paid-to-pretend-to-be-amazed audience performers, the possibility that cropcircles are fulfilling the emotional needs of shuckandjivers is virtually 100 percent, but the chance that aliens are doing anything like this instead of the bazzillion other things that they could do to gradually get Earthlings used to the concept of aliens or whatever, is so close to ZERO that I have more important things to put my attention on. If you want something mysterious, look at the latest research on how plants actually and directly interact with existence at the quantum level when they use sunshine to make into food. The quantum level Amazing stuff! http://tinyurl.com/2bfc2k And, anyone here can at least understand most of the concepts regarding this very real phenomenon. There's a thrill for ya. Why waste time on other stuff? If this one single aspect of plant chemistry is understood, maybe world wide hunger can be easily brushed aside. But, nope. Better to put millions of human minds on cropcircles than on, say, actual education. Consider the movie, Contact. As imaginative as the film turned out, don't miss the fact that ALL OF SCIENCE would drop everything and study the space message even though not understood that Jodi Foster's character discovered. That's a real world, bet all your money on it, psychological dynamic. All the white coats in all the labs would be drooling and studying and obsessing if even one single for-sure-alien cropcircle, one alien artifact, one undeniable piece of evidence were to be presented. It isn't that the world's scientists have blinders on. Hell, they're all looking for something to study to get their tenures. It's just that they get crappola all day long that has to be ignored and designated unlikely -- that ocean of mistaken beliefs is what turns geeks into snobs and elitists. What next? Flat earth? Moon landing never happened? 911 was planned by George Bush? Hey, here's an idea: take all the time and energy you want to put on cropcircles and put them on stopping Bushco from bombing Iran. Tell me you've written to every politician, and THEN, I'll pat you on the back for wasting your time on cropcircles. Here's what might happen to this earth TODAY, OR TOMORROW but almost certainly in the nest few months: Nuclear Fucking War By Bushco To Make The Cost Of Oil Rise So That Bushco's Still-In-The-Ground-But-Too-Expensive-To-Drill-For Oil Is More Valuable. $80 per barrel and rising. Iraq's oil is off-line, and so let's take Iran's oil out of the picture too. How's that for an alien mind at work? Ho hum.I'm bored with reality . give me another cropcircle. As if. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: snip So, nope, cropcircles are almost certainly entirely human-made unless Masters of Space are also creepy types who, despite their incredible knowledge about physics and the laws of nature, spend their time mystifying Earthlings with designs in food crops, instead of, you know, landing, for instance, and saying, Hi. Is ETs mystifying Earthlings the only alternative to human agency where crop circles are concerned? Or might there be other, even creepier possibilities? Or might *none* of the possibilities we're capable of dreaming up account for the known facts? How diligently have you examined the evidence? Are you aware of what the known facts *are*?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation
Bhairitu wrote: Indian yogis personified the fields of nature... You need to get some smarts, Mr. Bharat2. There were no 'yogis' mentioned in the Vedas. It was the Vedic authors who personified the forces of nature. Patanjali does not mention any 'forces of nature' in his Yoga Sutras. Ishvara is the God of Yogins, the Transcendental Person, not a 'force of nature' like the Sun, the Moon, the Wind or the Earth. All the Indian deified heros such as Vasudeva, Rama, Ramchandra, and Krishna came long after the composition of the Vedas in 1500 B.C.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation
When the Rishis wanted to express the silent value of pure consciousness they gave a name Shiva Mr. Henry Herzberger needs to read some Indian history. There's no mention of 'Shiva' in the Rig Veda and no mention of any bija mantras. The various Hindu sects, Shaivaism, Vaishnaiva, and Tantrism came long after the Vedas were composed (circa 1500 B.C.) during the Gupta Age. There are no 'devatas' in the the Rig Veda. The Vedas are concerned with the supernal dieties, the forces of nature such as the Sun, the Moon, and the Earth. The worship of devatas such as Ramchandra, Rama, Vasudeva and Krishna came long after the the composition of the Vedas.
[FairfieldLife] World's oldest man celebrates his 112th birthday
The world's oldest man, Tomoji Tanabe from Japan marked his 112th birthday Thursday, the Kyodo news agency said. The centenarian, who lives in the city of Miyakonojo in Miyazaki prefecture, in South Japan said he was not ready to die yet and would like to live forever. Tanabe, who entered in the Guinness book of records in June, feels fine. He walks around his house on his own, and only asks relatives for help when he needs to take a Japanese bath. The world's oldest man keeps a daily diary, reads newspapers, drinks a glass of milk a day and stays away from alcohol and smoking, as opposed to Zhang Shu-qing, a Chinese centenarian who contributes (sic) his longevity to smoking every day and drinking liquor after every meal. Tanabe, who has eight children, 25 grandchildren and 54 great-grandchildren, assumed the title of the world's oldest man following the death of 115-year-old Puerto-Rican Emiliano Mercado del Toro on January 24, 2007. The number of Japanese people living beyond 100 has almost quadrupled in the past 10 years, reaching 32,000 this year. The oldest person in Japan is now Tsuneyo Toyonaga, who is 113 years old. Experts often attribute their longevity to a Japanese diet rich in vegetables and fish. http://en.rian.ru/world/20070918/79237069.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation
emptybill wrote: Over the years I have heard an argument professed by some former TM meditators who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the meaning of mantra-s. Have you noticed, Bill, how rapidly the content of messages like this go from intelligence to sheer infantlism?
[FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
You should read the Lemurian Scrolls, a text written by a Shaivite guru who was living in Hilo, Hawaii. This book puts a new twist to the ET stories. Supposedly, millions of years ago, a race of people from a planet in the Pleiades constellation came to Earth through spiritual means. They found out that they could no longer evolve spiritually at their home planet so they had to come to Earth. In short, they beamed down to earth based on the fruits and vegetation that were provided by the inhabitants back then. In effect, the fruits of the earth gave these spacefarers new life and material bodies here on earth. Further, these ETs were advanced in sciences and were able to tweak the genetic composition of humans back then to improve the gene pool to make humans more like them. With this scenario in mind, we could say that the ETs maybe us. Regards, John R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've got telescopes on earth and in space looking at the surfaces of Mars, Moon, and many other bodies -- so far -- eh, let's count, eh, hm, not a single crop circle. If the aliens are trying to get our attention, earth is the wrong canvas -- for every alien Michaelangelo, there's 1000 Earthling pranksters, er, make that 10,000 pranksters. Not sure I agree that spaceships are DOS-esque. Could be many reasons for having such vehicles -- especially if faster than light travel is possible. It may be that a siddha can teletransport to another planet, but at what cost? There's plenty of scriptures that speak about the diminishing of one's storehouse of energy when doing a bigass siddhi, so spaceships could come in handy! There's one theory that intelligent species are naturally destined to leave their home worlds and become permanently space-borne and products of low gravity environments. Lots of theories, very little facts though. The thing that bothers me a lot is that despite the thousands upon thousands of practitioners over thousands of years who garnered Vedic Jyotishi Expertise, despite all the spiritual practice that they supposedly must have done to become seers of God-like refinement, despite the claims of astounding abilities to cognize the entirety of the universe -- to visit other lokas, listen and see events in the past, the distant now, and the yet unmanifest future, despite all this, not a single scripture on earth talks about Uranus or Neptune. These planets could not be seen without a telescope, so they weren't part of the mix. I mean, come on you scammers, 5,000 years of naval gazing and star gazing, all that, and yet no one ever had God whisper in even ONE seer's (um hearer's?) ear about two giant planets that could eat the earth for lunch -- giant planets that surely would have been incorporated into the Hindu works on Jyotish. What Here's one guy's way of rationalizing this very big issue: http://tinyurl.com/36rw4m I don't buy his conclusion at all, but click on the link for its entertainment value. So, nope, cropcircles are almost certainly entirely human-made unless Masters of Space are also creepy types who, despite their incredible knowledge about physics and the laws of nature, spend their time mystifying Earthlings with designs in food crops, instead of, you know, landing, for instance, and saying, Hi. To tell you the truth, if you want real aliens to talk to, why consider that famous parrot that died a few days ago. That bird did more to me than any cropcircle -- that bird made me believe in animal minds being, as if, whole alien worlds that need traveling to, need understanding. Even with the astounding evidence of animal minds that are very sophisticated -- apes, birds, dogs, elephants, dolphins, etc., the tabloids are trying to invent these whacky goofyass foci of attention for the purpose of selling newspapers. To hell with, you know, anything real. Where's the billions put into animal research? What could we learn about the alien worlds of dolphin cultures that would impact our own cultural sensibilities? What if the dolphins are actually speaking a language that is as rich as our own? What if dolphins create artistic masterpieces of holographic sound that on the other side of the world a group of whales pause to appreciate? These opportunities are left unexplored, but, hey, we'd better try to contact aliens we've never contacted yet to date. I say, better for us to try to understand the species we already have at our doorsteps -- try to understand what's right here, right now. For all you new agers out there who believe the gossip about the whales are leaving the earth now cuz it's a whole new phase the planet is entering -- at least you could put your attention on whales right now before they leave -- but to spin your wheels on space alien speculation is, well, tawdry and telling. God gave us whales,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anyth
Some additional things that came up whilst the eyes were closed. In chapter 2 of Patanjali verses 34 and 35 (close quess as my copy is still in a box somewhere). #34 goes like this. When the person is established in truthfulness all actions achieve the desired results. #35 When the person is established in integrity all riches flow. Again this not a prescription but rather a description of how the awakening unfolds. Toms Take: Until we are established in truthfulness about our dark sided monsters how can we achieve the desired result of saving the earth. First we know the truth about who we are light and dark both and then we can be in integrity about our actions. Until we are willing to tell ourselves the truth about us raw and uncensored we can not achieve the desired result. We don't have to tell others but we need to discover the truth for our own self. Tom
[FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
Excellent book Marek! I just put both of them on hold at the library. I am a big fan of human animal communication. (evidenced by my desire to post here!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment and recommendation below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: **snip** To tell you the truth, if you want real aliens to talk to, why consider that famous parrot that died a few days ago. That bird did more to me than any cropcircle -- that bird made me believe in animal minds being, as if, whole alien worlds that need traveling to, need understanding. Even with the astounding evidence of animal minds that are very sophisticated -- apes, birds, dogs, elephants, dolphins, etc., the tabloids are trying to invent these whacky goofyass foci of attention for the purpose of selling newspapers. To hell with, you know, anything real. Where's the billions put into animal research? What could we learn about the alien worlds of dolphin cultures that would impact our own cultural sensibilities? What if the dolphins are actually speaking a language that is as rich as our own? What if dolphins create artistic masterpieces of holographic sound that on the other side of the world a group of whales pause to appreciate? These opportunities are left unexplored, but, hey, we'd better try to contact aliens we've never contacted yet to date. I say, better for us to try to understand the species we already have at our doorsteps -- try to understand what's right here, right now. **snip to end** Edg, there's a couple of books by a guy, Eugene Linden, that my son turned me on to, one of which is titled The Octopus and the Orangutan and the other The Parrot's Lament. Excellent material culled from interviews and visits with both the scientists and other hands-on/eyes-on zookeepers who work closely with animals and have concluded that animal intelligence is actual factual and not far distant from our own in many ways. Basically, it's all anecdotal stuff that isn't publishable as science but to these individuals there is no doubt that the animals they're working with are highly sentient and lucid. For instance, on the simian side you've got a zoo orang who manipulates a found wire into a lockpicking device, conceals it under his bottom lip when not needed, and uses it to visit others at night and to look for food that not locked up. In the cephalopod corner there are stories of octopi who break out of their own tank during the night and make the harrowing and frequently unsuccessful journey across bare linoleum to another tank in which either food or a possible mating opportunity exists. Lots more and all absolutely great stuff and a fine read. Recommended. Marek
[FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
Curtis, same here; one of the things that I've always enjoyed about solo backpacking is the occasional interaction with non-domesticated animals. Sometime ago I posted an encounter with three bears at the end of a 4-day hike in the Marble Mountains a few years ago; one of my favorite trips for just that reason. (Message # 128281) One of the things I'm digging about surfing is hanging with the seals and the dolphins. What a world. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent book Marek! I just put both of them on hold at the library. I am a big fan of human animal communication. (evidenced by my desire to post here!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Comment and recommendation below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: **snip** To tell you the truth, if you want real aliens to talk to, why consider that famous parrot that died a few days ago. That bird did more to me than any cropcircle -- that bird made me believe in animal minds being, as if, whole alien worlds that need traveling to, need understanding. Even with the astounding evidence of animal minds that are very sophisticated -- apes, birds, dogs, elephants, dolphins, etc., the tabloids are trying to invent these whacky goofyass foci of attention for the purpose of selling newspapers. To hell with, you know, anything real. Where's the billions put into animal research? What could we learn about the alien worlds of dolphin cultures that would impact our own cultural sensibilities? What if the dolphins are actually speaking a language that is as rich as our own? What if dolphins create artistic masterpieces of holographic sound that on the other side of the world a group of whales pause to appreciate? These opportunities are left unexplored, but, hey, we'd better try to contact aliens we've never contacted yet to date. I say, better for us to try to understand the species we already have at our doorsteps -- try to understand what's right here, right now. **snip to end** Edg, there's a couple of books by a guy, Eugene Linden, that my son turned me on to, one of which is titled The Octopus and the Orangutan and the other The Parrot's Lament. Excellent material culled from interviews and visits with both the scientists and other hands-on/eyes-on zookeepers who work closely with animals and have concluded that animal intelligence is actual factual and not far distant from our own in many ways. Basically, it's all anecdotal stuff that isn't publishable as science but to these individuals there is no doubt that the animals they're working with are highly sentient and lucid. For instance, on the simian side you've got a zoo orang who manipulates a found wire into a lockpicking device, conceals it under his bottom lip when not needed, and uses it to visit others at night and to look for food that not locked up. In the cephalopod corner there are stories of octopi who break out of their own tank during the night and make the harrowing and frequently unsuccessful journey across bare linoleum to another tank in which either food or a possible mating opportunity exists. Lots more and all absolutely great stuff and a fine read. Recommended. Marek
[FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
Comment and recommendation below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **snip** To tell you the truth, if you want real aliens to talk to, why consider that famous parrot that died a few days ago. That bird did more to me than any cropcircle -- that bird made me believe in animal minds being, as if, whole alien worlds that need traveling to, need understanding. Even with the astounding evidence of animal minds that are very sophisticated -- apes, birds, dogs, elephants, dolphins, etc., the tabloids are trying to invent these whacky goofyass foci of attention for the purpose of selling newspapers. To hell with, you know, anything real. Where's the billions put into animal research? What could we learn about the alien worlds of dolphin cultures that would impact our own cultural sensibilities? What if the dolphins are actually speaking a language that is as rich as our own? What if dolphins create artistic masterpieces of holographic sound that on the other side of the world a group of whales pause to appreciate? These opportunities are left unexplored, but, hey, we'd better try to contact aliens we've never contacted yet to date. I say, better for us to try to understand the species we already have at our doorsteps -- try to understand what's right here, right now. **snip to end** Edg, there's a couple of books by a guy, Eugene Linden, that my son turned me on to, one of which is titled The Octopus and the Orangutan and the other The Parrot's Lament. Excellent material culled from interviews and visits with both the scientists and other hands-on/eyes-on zookeepers who work closely with animals and have concluded that animal intelligence is actual factual and not far distant from our own in many ways. Basically, it's all anecdotal stuff that isn't publishable as science but to these individuals there is no doubt that the animals they're working with are highly sentient and lucid. For instance, on the simian side you've got a zoo orang who manipulates a found wire into a lockpicking device, conceals it under his bottom lip when not needed, and uses it to visit others at night and to look for food that not locked up. In the cephalopod corner there are stories of octopi who break out of their own tank during the night and make the harrowing and frequently unsuccessful journey across bare linoleum to another tank in which either food or a possible mating opportunity exists. Lots more and all absolutely great stuff and a fine read. Recommended. Marek
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation
Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: Indian yogis personified the fields of nature... You need to get some smarts, Mr. Bharat2. There were no 'yogis' mentioned in the Vedas. It was the Vedic authors who personified the forces of nature. Patanjali does not mention any 'forces of nature' in his Yoga Sutras. Ishvara is the God of Yogins, the Transcendental Person, not a 'force of nature' like the Sun, the Moon, the Wind or the Earth. All the Indian deified heros such as Vasudeva, Rama, Ramchandra, and Krishna came long after the composition of the Vedas in 1500 B.C. Depends upon the translations doesn't it? I believe in the translations they get called priests (but I'm not going to go dig through them to find out).
[FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
Nice bit of nature writing in your bears post! Put me right there with you. I have had similar encounters with bears in PA when running on old logging trails. You described their poor eyesight WTF look when they sense you really well. One thing that amazed me is that once they were out of site when they ran away I couldn't hear them. Ninja skills for a multi hundred pound creature! The day I left for MIU my first year in '75 a bear walked right up our driveway for the first time in the day that we saw. I considered it a good omen from nature at the time. Since then my omens have become a huge nuisance destroying bird feeders and trash cans in our area and lots of people get to have morning omen sightings! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, same here; one of the things that I've always enjoyed about solo backpacking is the occasional interaction with non-domesticated animals. Sometime ago I posted an encounter with three bears at the end of a 4-day hike in the Marble Mountains a few years ago; one of my favorite trips for just that reason. (Message # 128281) One of the things I'm digging about surfing is hanging with the seals and the dolphins. What a world. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Excellent book Marek! I just put both of them on hold at the library. I am a big fan of human animal communication. (evidenced by my desire to post here!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Comment and recommendation below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: **snip** To tell you the truth, if you want real aliens to talk to, why consider that famous parrot that died a few days ago. That bird did more to me than any cropcircle -- that bird made me believe in animal minds being, as if, whole alien worlds that need traveling to, need understanding. Even with the astounding evidence of animal minds that are very sophisticated -- apes, birds, dogs, elephants, dolphins, etc., the tabloids are trying to invent these whacky goofyass foci of attention for the purpose of selling newspapers. To hell with, you know, anything real. Where's the billions put into animal research? What could we learn about the alien worlds of dolphin cultures that would impact our own cultural sensibilities? What if the dolphins are actually speaking a language that is as rich as our own? What if dolphins create artistic masterpieces of holographic sound that on the other side of the world a group of whales pause to appreciate? These opportunities are left unexplored, but, hey, we'd better try to contact aliens we've never contacted yet to date. I say, better for us to try to understand the species we already have at our doorsteps -- try to understand what's right here, right now. **snip to end** Edg, there's a couple of books by a guy, Eugene Linden, that my son turned me on to, one of which is titled The Octopus and the Orangutan and the other The Parrot's Lament. Excellent material culled from interviews and visits with both the scientists and other hands-on/eyes-on zookeepers who work closely with animals and have concluded that animal intelligence is actual factual and not far distant from our own in many ways. Basically, it's all anecdotal stuff that isn't publishable as science but to these individuals there is no doubt that the animals they're working with are highly sentient and lucid. For instance, on the simian side you've got a zoo orang who manipulates a found wire into a lockpicking device, conceals it under his bottom lip when not needed, and uses it to visit others at night and to look for food that not locked up. In the cephalopod corner there are stories of octopi who break out of their own tank during the night and make the harrowing and frequently unsuccessful journey across bare linoleum to another tank in which either food or a possible mating opportunity exists. Lots more and all absolutely great stuff and a fine read. Recommended. Marek
[FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
Guys, Thanks for all the suggestions below -- I'll get those books. Meanwhile, here's something funny and touching: http://tinyurl.com/35wswq I just moved away from living on a lake where I watched over 60 species doing they thang right outside my window, and I was humbled. I had five crows that I interacted with, and their intelligence was never in doubt -- mine was! cuz I was having such a hard time with my nose pressed up against the glass trying to see into their world -- their mindset. But they had no trouble understanding me -- they always seemed to know exactly what I was up to. Smart critters. Then there's the time I had, count them, 12 turtles, some the size of manhole covers, sunning themselves in my cove. There were musk rats swimming everywhere, mallard ducks upending within, say, two inches of the turtles, crows overhead, a mink on a fallen tree, and the turtles didn't budge. I open my window, they all dived for safety. Don't tell me animals are anything but mind readers. Those prairie dogs with words that mean human being seen as opposed to coyote, are another example. And, yeah, I have a dozen house plants that I always talk to with great respect -- I jes lurves 'em, I do. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, same here; one of the things that I've always enjoyed about solo backpacking is the occasional interaction with non-domesticated animals. Sometime ago I posted an encounter with three bears at the end of a 4-day hike in the Marble Mountains a few years ago; one of my favorite trips for just that reason. (Message # 128281) One of the things I'm digging about surfing is hanging with the seals and the dolphins. What a world. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Excellent book Marek! I just put both of them on hold at the library. I am a big fan of human animal communication. (evidenced by my desire to post here!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Comment and recommendation below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: **snip** To tell you the truth, if you want real aliens to talk to, why consider that famous parrot that died a few days ago. That bird did more to me than any cropcircle -- that bird made me believe in animal minds being, as if, whole alien worlds that need traveling to, need understanding. Even with the astounding evidence of animal minds that are very sophisticated -- apes, birds, dogs, elephants, dolphins, etc., the tabloids are trying to invent these whacky goofyass foci of attention for the purpose of selling newspapers. To hell with, you know, anything real. Where's the billions put into animal research? What could we learn about the alien worlds of dolphin cultures that would impact our own cultural sensibilities? What if the dolphins are actually speaking a language that is as rich as our own? What if dolphins create artistic masterpieces of holographic sound that on the other side of the world a group of whales pause to appreciate? These opportunities are left unexplored, but, hey, we'd better try to contact aliens we've never contacted yet to date. I say, better for us to try to understand the species we already have at our doorsteps -- try to understand what's right here, right now. **snip to end** Edg, there's a couple of books by a guy, Eugene Linden, that my son turned me on to, one of which is titled The Octopus and the Orangutan and the other The Parrot's Lament. Excellent material culled from interviews and visits with both the scientists and other hands-on/eyes-on zookeepers who work closely with animals and have concluded that animal intelligence is actual factual and not far distant from our own in many ways. Basically, it's all anecdotal stuff that isn't publishable as science but to these individuals there is no doubt that the animals they're working with are highly sentient and lucid. For instance, on the simian side you've got a zoo orang who manipulates a found wire into a lockpicking device, conceals it under his bottom lip when not needed, and uses it to visit others at night and to look for food that not locked up. In the cephalopod corner there are stories of octopi who break out of their own tank during the night and make the harrowing and frequently unsuccessful journey across bare linoleum to another tank in which either food or a possible mating opportunity exists. Lots more and all absolutely great stuff and a fine read. Recommended. Marek
[FairfieldLife] Most Auspicious Days of the Year for Doing Yagyas Coming Soon!
Note: forwarded message attached. - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.---BeginMessage--- Dear Friends, We wanted to inform you that the most auspicious days of the year for doing yagya, the Autumn Navaratri days, begin on October 12th. (see below for yagyas available). You may have more than one sankalpa for the Navaratri yagyas. We recommend you order your yagyas early this year as we expect to have all 250 pundits engaged in doing yagyas during these nine days The two weeks prior to Navaratri are called Pitri Paksha. During this time no yagyas can be started except for yagyas for departed ancestors. (see below) With Warmest Regards, Ken and Janet Krumpe From 27th Sep 2007 To 11th Oct 2007: - Pitri Paksha: - Yagya for a deceased person. 15 Days Yagya by 2 Pundits $1030 3 days Yagya by 2 Pundits $210 Note: No other yagyas can be started during Pitri Paksha only yagyas for ancestors: From 12th Oct to 20th Oct 2007: - Sarad Navaratri-Nine Days of Mother Divine Most auspicious days of the year for all yagyas Very auspicious days for Mother Divine Yagya. 1) Yagya for wealth 2) Yagya for health 3) Yagya for power and energy 4) Yagya for happiness and comfort in life 5) Yagya for knowledge 6) Yagya for removal of obstacles 7) Yagya for protection from danger and loss 8) Yagya for harmony in marriage life 9) Yagya for enlightenment 10) Yagya for support of nature 11) Yagya for success in activity. 12) Yagya for finding suitable spouse 13) Yagya for removal of emotional problems 14) Yagya for removal of poverty 9 Days Yagya by 9 Pundits $725 3 days Yagya by 1 Pundit $ 105 9 days Yagya by 1 Pundits $210 21st Oct 2007: - Vijaya Dashmi: - Victory Day Yagya for success in a court case or successful journey Or to bring success in any endeavor 9 Days Yagya by 11 Pundits $725 1 Day Yagya by 11 Pundits $210 - Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!---End Message---
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Ved Yantras for your home from Pundit Shastri more arrived
Janet Krumpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends, Some time ago we sent to you an email announcing that Pundit Shastri, an expert in Sthapatya Ved as well as Vedic Astrology, would be doing inexpensive Sthapatya Ved consultations. In addition, Pundit Shastri is now producing high quality yantras for your new home or commercial building as well as for preexisting homes. These yantras help to rectify all inauspicious effects that your home may be producing for you, including loss of wealth, loss of harmony in relationships, poor health, etc. Our first shipment of these yantras have sold out. But we are happy to announce that we have received 30 more from India. We have placed this Matsya Yantra in our home and are noticing very positive effects. Since every home has some bad Vastu effects unless it was built according to Staphaya Veda principles, we highly recommend these Yantras for every home and office. These yantras are now available: 1) Matsya Yantra- This Yantra is the only Yantra needed for older preexisting homes. It is also a must for new homes. In older homes is it placed on the wall in the SE corner. These yantras, like kavachas are each sanctified in a yagya with 81 Pundits. They are copper plates plated in 24 carat gold and have colorful and powerful engraved designs on them. The donation is $212 which includes shipping to you, $220 outside the USA. 2) Vastu Yantras- This is a package of five very small yantras made of copper that are put into the groundbreaking hole of a new home with the Matsya Yantra . These yantras, for new homes only, will be shipped with the Matsya Yantra at no additional donation when someone buys the Matsya Yantra for their new home. Aloha Nui Loa, Ken and Janet Krumpe - Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! - Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!
[FairfieldLife] David Spero on youtube: Forgiving the Teacher
David Spero (on YouTube) about Forgiving the Teacher an important message, since so many of us here deal with this very issue! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XL3rT7pCr8
[FairfieldLife] Re: Learning a musical instrument without a teacher
It all depends on how naturally talented you are. For example, if you were a great piano player in your last life like I was, then fingering happens automatically and lessons become an after thought. If you're really a master from the past, you can pretty much just play naturally and how the piece is played becomes an expression of that past greatness. All the masters took lessons but that was not because they needed to be taught fundementals, ie., fingering, scales, etc., but to simply bring out and polish the greatness that is already there. On the other hand, if you haven't spent lifetimes developing your skill, by all means take lessons, but even with this, greatness will take some time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I taught myself how to read music and play piano and guitar. I got pretty good on the piano -- could play any of several hundred songs by memory -- learned the first movement of the Moonlight Sonata one note at a time. But finally I hit a wall -- the passages I wanted to next learn to play were becoming impossible for me because I had self-taught bad fingering. I had bad habits that prevented me from the next step up in keyboard skills. Shudda had a teacher, shudda learned by using the correct fingering on the basic scales etc. It didn't stop me from learning more songs, but I was always looking over the fence to greener pastures I would never roam. So, heck with re-inventing the wheel, learn from someone who's been there, save yourself a lot of time lost building bad habits etc. You know, stand on the shoulders of giants. I had bragging rights -- could say the magic words self taught, but I'd rather be able to say, My parents forced me to take piano lessons from seven to 13 years old. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ wrote: Bronte: My friend, what should I call you? I can't pronounce your web name -- so, friend: Thanks for this observation, and I agree: learning to play an instrument is often easier with a teacher, but not always. And teachers are not essential, although most gurus will tell you that they are. It's one thing to say I'm a great real estate agent and will help you sell your house if you like versus saying You will never sell your house without my help, you poor miserable schlep. The latter being analogous to most gurus are saying. And I'll continue to gripe about that kind of manipulation. --So which approach is easier, with, or without a teacher? (in generaly, don't talk about isolated exceptions). In advance, let's take care of one exception: HWL Poonja. He states that in his last incarnation (prior to being HWL Poonja...died in the 90's), he was an advanced Krishna-bhakti Yogi. Then as Poonja in the course of his travels as an engineer, he happens to get an urge to visit Ramana Maharshi in his cave. Poonja tells RM about his many visions of Krishna, and RM asks, Are you having a vision right now?. Then after a few more leading questions RM in essence tells Poonja he's already Enlightened. Poonja got it and became Enlightened on the spot. But then, RM was a teacher, wasn't he? In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ ... wrote: ---Sure, one can get Enlightened without a Guru; likewise, one can learn how to play the violin without a teacher. (as Borak would sayNOT !). Bronte: Curious, I know lots of people who've taught themselves musical instruments. - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusion between mantras and deities in meditation
All the Indian deified heros such as Vasudeva, Rama, Ramchandra, and Krishna came long after the composition of the Vedas in 1500 B.C. Bhairitu wrote: Depends upon the translations doesn't it? No. You are mistaken if you mean the Rig Veda refers to a dark lustful youth playing on a flute going by name of Vasudeva, son of Devaki. There are no yogis, avatars, no Krishans and no Mrs. Radhas in the Rig Veda or in the Yoga Sutras. Neither are there reincarnation, karma, or dharma, and there are no bija mantras. There are no 'devatas' in the Vedas, that is, there are no household or sylvan deities, apart from or in addition to the supernal devas such as Surya, Indra or Vishnu. Devatas belong to earth and do not share in the charateristics of devas. Devatas are all minor mind-made demi-gods such as Shiva and Durga, or mere yakshis dwelling in the kadamba tree. Devatas are just potencies, instruments, or in some cases, deified heros such as Vasudeva, Krishna, or Ramchandra. On the other hand, a Deva is a 'celestial' power, the deification or personification of natural forces and phenomena, distiguised by name and attributes in the Rig Veda and the Zend Avesta.
[FairfieldLife] The Perfect House
If you could afford the perfect house, price being no obsticle, in a perfect location, that looked fantastic on the outside and like, 'wow' on the inside, built with the best materials, with the most expensive upgrades, with a killer view to the ocean or mountains or deserts, or anywhere you liked, but had a south entrance, would you buy it?
[FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, I've read extensively about the concept, spacefaring aliens. Books and books about it. I must not have made myself clear. I was asking how diligently you had informed yourself about the realities of *crop circles*, not about the concept of spacefaring aliens. If you *had* informed yourself about the realities of crop circles, you'd know that while many, if not most, are manmade hoaxes, there is a significant number that simply can't be dismissed that way. You would also know that there are serious crop circle researchers who do not assume the circles that are not manmade were made by spacefaring aliens. They don't pretend to know how they're made. If you aren't interested enough in what's behind crop circles to inform yourself about what *is* known about them, fine, no problem. But in that case, you really don't have much basis for having an opinion as to what they are, do you? snip If you want something mysterious, look at the latest research on how plants actually and directly interact with existence at the quantum level when they use sunshine to make into food. The quantum levelAmazing stuff! http://tinyurl.com/2bfc2k And, anyone here can at least understand most of the concepts regarding this very real phenomenon. There's a thrill for ya. Why waste time on other stuff? If this one single aspect of plant chemistry is understood, maybe world wide hunger can be easily brushed aside. Just FYI, there's a great deal of hard scientific evidence concerning the highly unusual chemistry and other biological features found in the plants in crop circles. It's not inconceivable that studying these anomalies could give us some new insights into the mysteries of normal plants that science is currently struggling with. But, nope. Better to put millions of human minds on cropcircles than on, say, actual education. Actually there probably aren't more than a hundred or so minds studying crop circles scientifically. snip What next? Flat earth? Moon landing never happened? 911 was planned by George Bush? Ironically enough, it's exactly this kind of mindset that so casually dismisses crop circles: one that is less concerned with facts than with confirming preconceptions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anyth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some additional things that came up whilst the eyes were closed. In chapter 2 of Patanjali verses 34 and 35 (close quess as my copy is still in a box somewhere). #34 goes like this. When the person is established in truthfulness all actions achieve the desired results. #35 When the person is established in integrity all riches flow. Again this not a prescription but rather a description of how the awakening unfolds. Toms Take: Until we are established in truthfulness about our dark sided monsters how can we achieve the desired result of saving the earth. First we know the truth about who we are light and dark both and then we can be in integrity about our actions. Until we are willing to tell ourselves the truth about us raw and uncensored we can not achieve the desired result. We don't have to tell others but we need to discover the truth for our own self. Tom I feel like the guy in the Southern Baptist church shouting, amen brother!-- seriously, been focused on just what you are talking about, lately. And finding that by seeing clearly who I am, vs. who I wanted to think I am, I am more easily able to chart my course, having more freedom with regard to each sequence of events that I undertake, and how I can manage their unfoldment. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Have A Look Around
For the HDTV fans here this is a clip I took yesterday at a local park with the inexpensive Aiptek A-HD camcorder which shoots 1280x720p hi-def video. It sells for $170 MSRP and ~$150 street. The purpose of the clip was to test panning with the camera. Their previous model produced wavy video when panning. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D5BXZL47 Camera: www.aiptek.com and look for the A-HD (they use a database server so there is no direct link). The file is a Quicktime MOV file which is how the camera saves its clips. It will play with the Quicktime player but you may need to upgrade to the very latest version and I do mean very latest as the other day the Quicktime player on my Vista machine notified me of an update and once updated clips from the camera played okay where as they didn't before. Other players such as the Classic Media Player, MPlayer will also play the clips which use the AVC1 h.264 codec.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Perfect House
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you could afford the perfect house, price being no obsticle, in a perfect location, that looked fantastic on the outside and like, 'wow' on the inside, built with the best materials, with the most expensive upgrades, with a killer view to the ocean or mountains or deserts, or anywhere you liked, but had a south entrance, would you buy it? OF COURSE!:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Perfect House
If you have the money for such a house, you can usually find one that's just as good AND with an east entrance, so why not have that instead ??? -- just there for those who look for it. On the other hand, I've lived in all manner of housing with entrances in every direction, and never did I feel supported or doomed in my business endeavors or other life processes that one might expect to be sensitive to entrance-direction. Same deal with my jyotish from day to day -- never could see anything working for or against me. Then there's those pesky Chinese Funk Swayists who say the opposite about the directions. All in all, I'd rather listen to Judy about cropcircles. Or, wait, I think I'll start a Criss Angel fan club. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: If you could afford the perfect house, price being no obsticle, in a perfect location, that looked fantastic on the outside and like, 'wow' on the inside, built with the best materials, with the most expensive upgrades, with a killer view to the ocean or mountains or deserts, or anywhere you liked, but had a south entrance, would you buy it? OF COURSE!:-)
[FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
Judy, I just can't believe you're into this as much as you seem to be. Are you just pulling my chain? To me, all my reading about aliens considered EVERY SINGLE concept about them, their psychologies, their technologies and, yep, why or why not they might use cropcircles for some reason. These are books by Carl Sagan, etc. Scientists, ya know? Want a reading list? I just can't get there from here -- I just can't see an alien intelligence messing with Earthlings like that -- this said even though I DO BELIEVE that all of Hollywood's sci-fi productions ARE in fact a way to soften the blow when the aliens do finally arrive. I just don't see cropcircles as a professional, first contact, methodology. I mean, there's sooo many other ways to do whatever they're doing with cropcircles -- if cropcircles are messages. If they're yantras, then that's another story, but now we're speculating that aliens are also Gods of a sort. What next, another religion on the same order as the one started by those jungle folks who thought WWII airplanes flying overhead were Gods? Sorry, like when I unloaded on the guy who thought he saw a star going nova in a three second span of time, I just can't see a basis for even beginning to consider cropcircles as legitimately mysterious in some core measurement that would prompt me to, say, ask the world to stop putting so much money into the space program and do cropcircle research instead. Gotta prioritize, and geeze there's so much to study first that could really really really benefit human kind. Even TM would be a better candidate to be studied than cropcircles. Now, as a sign of my good faith, as a sign that even your energy is not going to trigger me, I will read as much as I can stomach from any five Web sites you recommend -- then I'll chime in and see if I have to admit that I got caught same as Judy. So, give me five links, or just tell me to go to the first five given in your postings. The problem is, and it's huge, is that I'm not smart enough nor scholarly enough to debunk or winningly support concepts that are so iffy. I've been had by much less important promises from true believers -- money, time, alternate opportunities not explored, man o man, so much given by me VOLUNTARILY to cults, lost causes, scams, panics, fads, etc. Sigh. The best I'll be able to do on cropcircles is become a true believer -- I sure don't think I will be able to become a promoter with any degree of confidence, nor would I stand on a soapbox to decry the concept with any hope of being the final word on the subject. I did my stint. I promised the world it could fly if only it would believe in my magic words given to me by magic people. What, Judy, is inside you that gets you so hot on this? Might be a personality pattern underlying it, eh? And I DO believe Bush arranged for 911, but I'm not obsessing and reading every conspiracy blog, book and candle about it. I've had it beaten out of me -- Y2K, TM, JYOTISH, HIPPY VALUES, POETRY, MUSIC, SEX, FOOD, and on and on geeze, how many more times down the primrose path-o-great-promises must I go? I did identification, and now I'm seeking a twelve step program for that disease. It's all illusion, and every time I invest in it, I dive in deeply and find out there's nothing there to cling to -- no actual certainty. I would say that most folks are like me and have wasted their lives trying for one gold ring or another -- only to come up with brass tchotchkies. It always tastes like paper when I eat pictures of mouth-watering food. I hate that! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Judy, I've read extensively about the concept, spacefaring aliens. Books and books about it. I must not have made myself clear. I was asking how diligently you had informed yourself about the realities of *crop circles*, not about the concept of spacefaring aliens. If you *had* informed yourself about the realities of crop circles, you'd know that while many, if not most, are manmade hoaxes, there is a significant number that simply can't be dismissed that way. You would also know that there are serious crop circle researchers who do not assume the circles that are not manmade were made by spacefaring aliens. They don't pretend to know how they're made. If you aren't interested enough in what's behind crop circles to inform yourself about what *is* known about them, fine, no problem. But in that case, you really don't have much basis for having an opinion as to what they are, do you? snip If you want something mysterious, look at the latest research on how plants actually and directly interact with existence at the quantum level when they use sunshine to make into food. The quantum levelAmazing stuff! http://tinyurl.com/2bfc2k And, anyone here can at least understand
[FairfieldLife] Re: Have A Look Around
Amazing resolution! And the price! Thanks for posting this I am going to have to get one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the HDTV fans here this is a clip I took yesterday at a local park with the inexpensive Aiptek A-HD camcorder which shoots 1280x720p hi-def video. It sells for $170 MSRP and ~$150 street. The purpose of the clip was to test panning with the camera. Their previous model produced wavy video when panning. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D5BXZL47 Camera: www.aiptek.com and look for the A-HD (they use a database server so there is no direct link). The file is a Quicktime MOV file which is how the camera saves its clips. It will play with the Quicktime player but you may need to upgrade to the very latest version and I do mean very latest as the other day the Quicktime player on my Vista machine notified me of an update and once updated clips from the camera played okay where as they didn't before. Other players such as the Classic Media Player, MPlayer will also play the clips which use the AVC1 h.264 codec.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Perfect House
Of course. And with two pieces of particle board, I'd fix that southern door. ;-) PS: I don't buy the southern door BS. On Sep 18, 2007, at 3:45 PM, suziezuzie wrote: If you could afford the perfect house, price being no obsticle, in a perfect location, that looked fantastic on the outside and like, 'wow' on the inside, built with the best materials, with the most expensive upgrades, with a killer view to the ocean or mountains or deserts, or anywhere you liked, but had a south entrance, would you buy it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Have A Look Around
On Sep 18, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Bhairitu wrote: For the HDTV fans here this is a clip I took yesterday at a local park with the inexpensive Aiptek A-HD camcorder which shoots 1280x720p hi-def video. It sells for $170 MSRP and ~$150 street. The purpose of the clip was to test panning with the camera. Their previous model produced wavy video when panning. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D5BXZL47 Well my only problem is that it doesn't seem to have any sort of stability control--or was it turned off? Does it allow an external mic? I could really hear your breathing quite clearly. Color looks great though.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have A Look Around
Just one note though if you're planning to video some music groups this cameras has some problems with it's Automatic Gain Control as audio from a group at a farmer's market the other day was clipping. This is weird because I also tested with my surround system playing back a concert on MTV-HD loud and it didn't break up. curtisdeltablues wrote: Amazing resolution! And the price! Thanks for posting this I am going to have to get one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the HDTV fans here this is a clip I took yesterday at a local park with the inexpensive Aiptek A-HD camcorder which shoots 1280x720p hi-def video. It sells for $170 MSRP and ~$150 street. The purpose of the clip was to test panning with the camera. Their previous model produced wavy video when panning. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D5BXZL47 Camera: www.aiptek.com and look for the A-HD (they use a database server so there is no direct link). The file is a Quicktime MOV file which is how the camera saves its clips. It will play with the Quicktime player but you may need to upgrade to the very latest version and I do mean very latest as the other day the Quicktime player on my Vista machine notified me of an update and once updated clips from the camera played okay where as they didn't before. Other players such as the Classic Media Player, MPlayer will also play the clips which use the AVC1 h.264 codec.
[FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, I just can't believe you're into this as much as you seem to be. Are you just pulling my chain? To me, all my reading about aliens considered EVERY SINGLE concept about them, their psychologies, their technologies and, yep, why or why not they might use cropcircles for some reason. These are books by Carl Sagan, etc. Scientists, ya know? Want a reading list? I just can't get there from here -- I just can't see an alien intelligence messing with Earthlings like that Neither can I. Maybe you should have a look back over my posts on this and see if you can find any statement therein where I indicated otherwise. And if you don't find any, maybe you should think about how you managed to become so convinced that this is what I've been pushing, when in fact I've been steering folks *away* from that idea all along.
[FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
Edg, when I lived in Davis there were (and still are, I suspect) lots of crows and Davis has lots of walnut trees, too -- big suckers with lots and lots of walnuts. The crows like the walnuts and they'd swoop down and pick them up and drop them over and over on the road from maybe 20-30 feet up until they broke open. Long, hard work. However, after awhile some of the crows figured out that cars running over the dropped walnuts really speeded up the fulfillment of their walnut desires. There were spots in Davis where the crows would wait with their walnuts until they saw a car coming along and then they'd drop 'em on the road right before it passed so as to take advantage of the big nutcracker. Lovely. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, Thanks for all the suggestions below -- I'll get those books. Meanwhile, here's something funny and touching: http://tinyurl.com/35wswq I just moved away from living on a lake where I watched over 60 species doing they thang right outside my window, and I was humbled. I had five crows that I interacted with, and their intelligence was never in doubt -- mine was! cuz I was having such a hard time with my nose pressed up against the glass trying to see into their world -- their mindset. But they had no trouble understanding me -- they always seemed to know exactly what I was up to. Smart critters. Then there's the time I had, count them, 12 turtles, some the size of manhole covers, sunning themselves in my cove. There were musk rats swimming everywhere, mallard ducks upending within, say, two inches of the turtles, crows overhead, a mink on a fallen tree, and the turtles didn't budge. I open my window, they all dived for safety. Don't tell me animals are anything but mind readers. Those prairie dogs with words that mean human being seen as opposed to coyote, are another example. And, yeah, I have a dozen house plants that I always talk to with great respect -- I jes lurves 'em, I do. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Curtis, same here; one of the things that I've always enjoyed about solo backpacking is the occasional interaction with non- domesticated animals. Sometime ago I posted an encounter with three bears at the end of a 4-day hike in the Marble Mountains a few years ago; one of my favorite trips for just that reason. (Message # 128281) One of the things I'm digging about surfing is hanging with the seals and the dolphins. What a world. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Excellent book Marek! I just put both of them on hold at the library. I am a big fan of human animal communication. (evidenced by my desire to post here!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Comment and recommendation below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: **snip** To tell you the truth, if you want real aliens to talk to, why consider that famous parrot that died a few days ago. That bird did more to me than any cropcircle -- that bird made me believe in animal minds being, as if, whole alien worlds that need traveling to, need understanding. Even with the astounding evidence of animal minds that are very sophisticated -- apes, birds, dogs, elephants, dolphins, etc., the tabloids are trying to invent these whacky goofyass foci of attention for the purpose of selling newspapers. To hell with, you know, anything real. Where's the billions put into animal research? What could we learn about the alien worlds of dolphin cultures that would impact our own cultural sensibilities? What if the dolphins are actually speaking a language that is as rich as our own? What if dolphins create artistic masterpieces of holographic sound that on the other side of the world a group of whales pause to appreciate? These opportunities are left unexplored, but, hey, we'd better try to contact aliens we've never contacted yet to date. I say, better for us to try to understand the species we already have at our doorsteps -- try to understand what's right here, right now. **snip to end** Edg, there's a couple of books by a guy, Eugene Linden, that my son turned me on to, one of which is titled The Octopus and the Orangutan and the other The Parrot's Lament. Excellent material culled from interviews and visits with both the scientists and other hands-on/eyes-on zookeepers who work closely with animals and have concluded that animal intelligence
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Ved Yantras for your home from Pundit Shastri more arrived
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Terton Zeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] 1) Matsya Yantra- This Yantra is the only Yantra needed for older preexisting homes. It is also a must for new homes. In older homes is it placed on the wall in the SE corner. http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/dispCategory.php?catId=36 Matsya yantra clears all sorts of vastu faults, like a fish cleans a pond. It is highly recommended for businesses and house to bring prosperity and wealth. This yantra represents Lord Vishnu who incarnated as a great fish and purified the cosmos for perfect balance and harmony. This yantra needs to be installed in northeast corner. So, then, in which corner should one of these things be placed? SE or NE?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Have A Look Around
Vaj wrote: On Sep 18, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Bhairitu wrote: For the HDTV fans here this is a clip I took yesterday at a local park with the inexpensive Aiptek A-HD camcorder which shoots 1280x720p hi-def video. It sells for $170 MSRP and ~$150 street. The purpose of the clip was to test panning with the camera. Their previous model produced wavy video when panning. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D5BXZL47 Well my only problem is that it doesn't seem to have any sort of stability control--or was it turned off? Does it allow an external mic? I could really hear your breathing quite clearly. Color looks great though. It's a very basic point and shoot camera. There is no external input for a microphone. I had this problem though with a Sony PC7 way back years ago when they chose to put the microphone on the top. At this price there is no stabilization but most people just shoot brief sequences with no panning or on a tripod. For me it is something I can put in my pocket in case something comes up I want to shoot but I have a Sony HC1 HD camera for more serious stuff and I use a shotgun microphone with it.
[FairfieldLife] Crows (Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles))
I read about that, but the version I got had the crows actually smart enough, get this!, to drop the nuts on crosswalks-at-traffic-lights. Why? Cuz then, after the cars had run over the nuts, the crows knew that -- at least some of the time -- at a place where people walked -- they wouldn't be bothered by the cars as they picked through the crumbles for the meaty bits. I'm tellin' ya, they're mind readers! Like all humans I've ever met. It's funny that crows speak to us without words, but humans, though doing this same thing all the time, insist that words are necessary. Walk into any room. FEEL THE PEOPLE. Everyone's a mind reader. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edg, when I lived in Davis there were (and still are, I suspect) lots of crows and Davis has lots of walnut trees, too -- big suckers with lots and lots of walnuts. The crows like the walnuts and they'd swoop down and pick them up and drop them over and over on the road from maybe 20-30 feet up until they broke open. Long, hard work. However, after awhile some of the crows figured out that cars running over the dropped walnuts really speeded up the fulfillment of their walnut desires. There were spots in Davis where the crows would wait with their walnuts until they saw a car coming along and then they'd drop 'em on the road right before it passed so as to take advantage of the big nutcracker. Lovely. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Guys, Thanks for all the suggestions below -- I'll get those books. Meanwhile, here's something funny and touching: http://tinyurl.com/35wswq I just moved away from living on a lake where I watched over 60 species doing they thang right outside my window, and I was humbled. I had five crows that I interacted with, and their intelligence was never in doubt -- mine was! cuz I was having such a hard time with my nose pressed up against the glass trying to see into their world -- their mindset. But they had no trouble understanding me -- they always seemed to know exactly what I was up to. Smart critters. Then there's the time I had, count them, 12 turtles, some the size of manhole covers, sunning themselves in my cove. There were musk rats swimming everywhere, mallard ducks upending within, say, two inches of the turtles, crows overhead, a mink on a fallen tree, and the turtles didn't budge. I open my window, they all dived for safety. Don't tell me animals are anything but mind readers. Those prairie dogs with words that mean human being seen as opposed to coyote, are another example. And, yeah, I have a dozen house plants that I always talk to with great respect -- I jes lurves 'em, I do. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Curtis, same here; one of the things that I've always enjoyed about solo backpacking is the occasional interaction with non- domesticated animals. Sometime ago I posted an encounter with three bears at the end of a 4-day hike in the Marble Mountains a few years ago; one of my favorite trips for just that reason. (Message # 128281) One of the things I'm digging about surfing is hanging with the seals and the dolphins. What a world. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Excellent book Marek! I just put both of them on hold at the library. I am a big fan of human animal communication. (evidenced by my desire to post here!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Comment and recommendation below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: **snip** To tell you the truth, if you want real aliens to talk to, why consider that famous parrot that died a few days ago. That bird did more to me than any cropcircle -- that bird made me believe in animal minds being, as if, whole alien worlds that need traveling to, need understanding. Even with the astounding evidence of animal minds that are very sophisticated -- apes, birds, dogs, elephants, dolphins, etc., the tabloids are trying to invent these whacky goofyass foci of attention for the purpose of selling newspapers. To hell with, you know, anything real. Where's the billions put into animal research? What could we learn about the alien worlds of dolphin cultures that would impact our own cultural sensibilities? What if the dolphins are actually speaking a language that is as rich as our own? What if dolphins create artistic
Re: [FairfieldLife] Crows (Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles))
On Sep 18, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Duveyoung wrote: I read about that, but the version I got had the crows actually smart enough, get this!, to drop the nuts on crosswalks-at-traffic-lights. Why? Cuz then, after the cars had run over the nuts, the crows knew that -- at least some of the time -- at a place where people walked -- they wouldn't be bothered by the cars as they picked through the crumbles for the meaty bits. I'm tellin' ya, they're mind readers! Like all humans I've ever met. It's funny that crows speak to us without words, but humans, though doing this same thing all the time, insist that words are necessary. Walk into any room. FEEL THE PEOPLE. Everyone's a mind reader. Edg I love crows. A friend of mine turned me on to an old text from Tibet, which he had published privately, written in an archaic Sanskrit in the 9th century and called the Kakajarita. (more properly kAka-cAritra, On the behavior of crows). Kaka, much like that familiar sound Caw! Caw! is the Sanskrit work for crow. The text was translated by a pandit named Danacila into the Tibetan language as Bya-rog-gi skad brtag-par bya-ba, or Investigating the Cries of Crows. It eventually found it's way into the Buddhist Canon, the Tanjur, and thus became a commonly used text there. TMers can relate to it as what the presence of crows indicates from the POV of Unity Consciousness. Here's some of it: Divination through observation of crows in Tibetan tradition is founded on the following principles: 1. Crows are of varying distinction and intelligence, therefore notice must be taken of the varying classes of crows. 2. Crows respond to events with characteristic behavioral patterns, therefore by noting the character of the response one may learn the character of the event. 3. Crow behavior and response differs according to time of day. 4. The angle of direction between the observer and the crow has significance. The general predictions governing crow calls are given as follows, categorized by the time of day and the direction in which the call is observed. First Watch 6:00 am - 9:00 am East: Wishes will be fulfilled Southeast: An enemy will approach South: A friend will visit Southwest: Unexpected profit will accrue West: Great wind will rise Northwest: A stranger will appear North: Scattered property will be found Northeast: A woman will come Zenith: A demon will appear Second Watch 9:00 am - 12:00 pm East Near relatives will come South Flowers and areca-nuts obtained Southwest Numerous offspring West You will set out on a distant journey Northwest One king replaced by another North Good news will be received Northeast Disorder breaks out Zenith Fulfillment of your wishes Third Watch 12:00 pm - 3:00 pm East: You will obtain property Southeast: A battle will arise South: A storm will come Southwest: An enemy will come West: A woman will come Northwest: A relative will come North: A good friend will come Northeast: A conflagration breaks out Zenith: You will gain profit by being taken care of by the king Fourth Watch 3:00 pm - 6:00 pm East: Great fear predicted Southeast: Great gain coming South: A stranger will come Southwest: A storm will rise in seven days West: Rain and wind will come Northwest: Scattered property found North: A king will appear Northeast: You will obtain rank Zenith: Hunger predicted Sunset East An enemy appears on the road Southeast A treasure will come to you South You will die of disease Southwest The wishes of one's heart fulfilled West Relatives will come Northwest Obtaining property predicted North Homage will be done to the king Zenith You will obtain advantage you hoped for General Observations Crow on right: good journey Crow behind: you obtain siddhi A crow flapping his wings, calls: great accident Crow pulls human hair: death Crow eats dirty food: food and drink about to come Crow on thornbush: enemy Crow on milksap tree: milkrice to you Crow on withered tree: no food and drink Crow on palace: excellent halting place Crow on divan: enemy will come Crow facing door: peril at frontier Crow pulling dress: dress to you Crow on skull: death Crow with red thread on house: fire
[FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.davidmsc.com/2007/09/14/monkey-pigeon/ lurk http://www.davidmsc.com/2007/09/14/monkey-pigeon/
[FairfieldLife] Crows (Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles))
Interesting coincidence below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **snip** I love crows. A friend of mine turned me on to an old text from Tibet, which he had published privately, written in an archaic Sanskrit in the 9th century and called the Kakajarita. (more properly kAka- cAritra, On the behavior of crows). Kaka, much like that familiar sound Caw! Caw! is the Sanskrit work for crow. The text was translated by a pandit named Danacila into the Tibetan language as Bya-rog-gi skad brtag-par bya-ba, or Investigating the Cries of Crows. It eventually found it's way into the Buddhist Canon, the Tanjur, and thus became a commonly used text there. TMers can relate to it as what the presence of crows indicates from the POV of Unity Consciousness. Here's some of it: Divination through observation of crows in Tibetan tradition is founded on the following principles: 1. Crows are of varying distinction and intelligence, therefore notice must be taken of the varying classes of crows. 2. Crows respond to events with characteristic behavioral patterns, therefore by noting the character of the response one may learn the character of the event. 3. Crow behavior and response differs according to time of day. 4. The angle of direction between the observer and the crow has significance. The general predictions governing crow calls are given as follows, categorized by the time of day and the direction in which the call is observed. First Watch 6:00 am - 9:00 am East: Wishes will be fulfilled Southeast: An enemy will approach South: A friend will visit Southwest: Unexpected profit will accrue West: Great wind will rise Northwest: A stranger will appear North: Scattered property will be found Northeast: A woman will come Zenith: A demon will appear Second Watch 9:00 am - 12:00 pm East Near relatives will come South Flowers and areca-nuts obtained Southwest Numerous offspring West You will set out on a distant journey Northwest One king replaced by another North Good news will be received Northeast Disorder breaks out Zenith Fulfillment of your wishes Third Watch 12:00 pm - 3:00 pm East: You will obtain property Southeast: A battle will arise South: A storm will come Southwest: An enemy will come West: A woman will come Northwest: A relative will come North: A good friend will come Northeast: A conflagration breaks out Zenith: You will gain profit by being taken care of by the king Fourth Watch 3:00 pm - 6:00 pm East: Great fear predicted Southeast: Great gain coming South: A stranger will come Southwest: A storm will rise in seven days West: Rain and wind will come Northwest: Scattered property found North: A king will appear Northeast: You will obtain rank Zenith: Hunger predicted Sunset East An enemy appears on the road Southeast A treasure will come to you South You will die of disease Southwest The wishes of one's heart fulfilled West Relatives will come Northwest Obtaining property predicted North Homage will be done to the king Zenith You will obtain advantage you hoped for General Observations Crow on right: good journey Crow behind: you obtain siddhi A crow flapping his wings, calls: great accident Crow pulls human hair: death Crow eats dirty food: food and drink about to come Crow on thornbush: enemy Crow on milksap tree: milkrice to you Crow on withered tree: no food and drink Crow on palace: excellent halting place Crow on divan: enemy will come Crow facing door: peril at frontier Crow pulling dress: dress to you Crow on skull: death Crow with red thread on house: fire **end** In the waning days of the Merv wave I was teaching TM outside of Philadelphia (Chestnut Hill/Erdenheim) and a young man, Carlos, already a meditator, contacted me and asked me to initiate his dying, elderly mother who was bedridden in her home somewhere in North Philly. I gave her the first two lectures in one and arranged to come and do the initiation in her bedroom where she was confined. When I came back the next day after initiation for the first day of checking she told me that she had heard a crow call to her outside her bedroom window (south, if I recollect correctly) during her first meditation alone and she knew that she was to die soon, but it didn't bother her at all. She did, however, sincerely believe that the crow was a messenger to her of her impending death. Nothing more than that, but the situation and the circumstances -- myself as a very young (and earnest) man spending hours alone with an old, dying woman in the small, dim bedroom where she lay preparing for death, all the while speaking to her about meditation and enlightenment, and her sudden interjection of the message she received from the call of the crow -- stuck with me. The Tibetan auguries from the calls
[FairfieldLife] Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles)
www.davidmsc.com/2007/09/14/monkey-pigeon/ lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Every picture on the Web has been through picture processing software. the question is not Were the pictures Photoshopped, or the equivalent but which aspects of the photo processing software was used aside from the cropping and compression features of the program. It is not that the pictures all had to be created from the ground up in Photoshop, but tweeked to appear more amazing then they really are on the ground. Think O.J.'s darkened face on the cover of Time for a tweek that matters. Gee, I don't think that's a very good example. What sort of tweaks do you think would make the crop circles appear to be more amazing than they really are? snip Who is the source of our information? This is where life is simple for Nabby and not so much for Judy and me. For Nabby he has an authority whom he trusts, Benjamin Creme. So that ends his epistemological issues. Since I don't see him as an authority on anything I have to go further. I don't know Judy's position on his authority but I suspect she had to go through the process I am in right now, whose information from the ground do I trust. I don't grant Creme any particular authority. Judy: This is a good, fairly objective text intro on the topic: http://www.swirlednews.com/crop.asp ME: I found that this group reveals their bias in their own words: Note that I said fairly objective, not completely objective. The guy isn't insisting on any particular explanation. Swirled News is edited by Andy Thomas, author of five books on crop circles including Vital Signs, which has been described by many as the definitive guide to the circle phenomenon. Like many of the links this group is economically invested in the belief that these are more than man-made art projects. That *some* of them are not manmade. Thomas makes no bones about the fact that many of them are hoaxes. snip Although many cottage industries that have popped up around this phenomenon, this doesn't rule out that something amazing is happening, it just means that the term objective shouldn't be applied to people who sell stuff related to the belief. In my Web searchs many of the the visible experts in this field are photographers who sell these images. Would you acknowledge the possibility that for one who has very thoroughly studied crop circles, what may seem biased views to you may in fact be quite objective? Would you also acknowledge that your own view is distinctly biased, especially given that you *haven't* studied the phenomenon? Thing is, funding for crop circles research is not exactly a priority for most agencies and organizations. These guys need to get it from somewhere. The only folks who are going to do the initial studies are those who think there's something worth studying. It's very much like the TM research in that respect. So for me the question is who on the ground claiming that something amazing has happened can I believe? Here is a good summery of some of the questions that should be accounted for: Nice summary of the questions that don't have answers yet: http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa021802a.htm This is an excellent find, thanks. Some of these problems are merely claims made by people who need to be examined further. This is where peer reviewed science is really called for. It is also an area that Judy can help me with if she wouldn't mind posting some sources she trusts. I'd go with Thomas, actually. I get the distinct sense that to the extent that he believes not all circles are manmade, it's because the evidence he's gathered points to that conclusion. Here is an example of a guy who I do not trust so far: An example of a guy who believes: http://www.greatdreams.com/crop/hoax/hoax.htm His first sentence damns him in my book: Most serious crop circle researchers agree that a majority of the formations are not being made by the human specie, and seem to be symbolic messages from an unknown, high intelligence. From my research even the believers in the theory that man didn't make some of these, put the hoax number closer to 80%. Actually that's what one prominent crop circle researcher, Colin Andrews, announced with great fanfare in 2000 and the media eagerly picked up. There's a pretty thorough debunking of Andrews's claim here: http://www.swirlednews.com/article.asp?artID=59 *However*, Silva's statement isn't accurate either, and I would be skeptical of his more sweeping pronouncements. His site does have a lot of hard information, though, as well as a very good section on skepticism. snip http://www.bltresearch.com/ Judy is familiar with this group sent me the link before. Although they are economically invested, they are a nonprofit supported by donations and possibly lectures (I don't know if they charge for these) they seem sincerely interested in the phenomenon
Re: [FairfieldLife] Crows (Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles))
On Sep 18, 2007, at 7:55 PM, Marek Reavis wrote: In the waning days of the Merv wave I was teaching TM outside of Philadelphia (Chestnut Hill/Erdenheim) and a young man, Carlos, already a meditator, contacted me and asked me to initiate his dying, elderly mother who was bedridden in her home somewhere in North Philly. I gave her the first two lectures in one and arranged to come and do the initiation in her bedroom where she was confined. When I came back the next day after initiation for the first day of checking she told me that she had heard a crow call to her outside her bedroom window (south, if I recollect correctly) during her first meditation alone and she knew that she was to die soon, but it didn't bother her at all. She did, however, sincerely believe that the crow was a messenger to her of her impending death. Nothing more than that, but the situation and the circumstances -- myself as a very young (and earnest) man spending hours alone with an old, dying woman in the small, dim bedroom where she lay preparing for death, all the while speaking to her about meditation and enlightenment, and her sudden interjection of the message she received from the call of the crow -- stuck with me. The Tibetan auguries from the calls of the crows reminded me of that again. Thanks for that. Pretty far out. I've found the text pretty accurate. For example, it gives different crow speech in Sanskrit. When I tried it out load, they would answer in kind!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Perfect House
Me too. I've lived in homes with the entrance facing every direction and I can't say that anything changed regarding health, wealth and well being. I remember clearly suffering health problems in east facing homes just as regularly as west facing homes. My brother in law who made big money in the US, bought a south facing home in Israel about 8 years ago. I watched his situation very closely and to this day, he still has his money and probably more, his family is doing well with the occasional hiccups that everyone else experiences. His place was robbed one time but the insurance paid everything and more. The only advantage I can see to an east facing house is that the sun melts the snow first while the west facing homes across the street are shoveling themselves out. But not to worry. My cousin is selling me his snow remover that shoots snow 100 feet in the air. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have the money for such a house, you can usually find one that's just as good AND with an east entrance, so why not have that instead ??? -- just there for those who look for it. On the other hand, I've lived in all manner of housing with entrances in every direction, and never did I feel supported or doomed in my business endeavors or other life processes that one might expect to be sensitive to entrance-direction. Same deal with my jyotish from day to day -- never could see anything working for or against me. Then there's those pesky Chinese Funk Swayists who say the opposite about the directions. All in all, I'd rather listen to Judy about cropcircles. Or, wait, I think I'll start a Criss Angel fan club. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: If you could afford the perfect house, price being no obsticle, in a perfect location, that looked fantastic on the outside and like, 'wow' on the inside, built with the best materials, with the most expensive upgrades, with a killer view to the ocean or mountains or deserts, or anywhere you liked, but had a south entrance, would you buy it? OF COURSE!:-)
[FairfieldLife] Crows (Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles))
-`Be that word our sign of parting, bird or fiend!' I shrieked upstarting - `Get thee back into the tempest and the Night's Plutonian shore! Leave no black plume as a token of that lie thy soul hath spoken! Leave my loneliness unbroken! - quit the bust above my door! Take thy beak from out my heart, and take thy form from off my door!' Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting coincidence below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: **snip** I love crows. A friend of mine turned me on to an old text from Tibet, which he had published privately, written in an archaic Sanskrit in the 9th century and called the Kakajarita. (more properly kAka- cAritra, On the behavior of crows). Kaka, much like that familiar sound Caw! Caw! is the Sanskrit work for crow. The text was translated by a pandit named Danacila into the Tibetan language as Bya-rog-gi skad brtag-par bya-ba, or Investigating the Cries of Crows. It eventually found it's way into the Buddhist Canon, the Tanjur, and thus became a commonly used text there. TMers can relate to it as what the presence of crows indicates from the POV of Unity Consciousness. Here's some of it: Divination through observation of crows in Tibetan tradition is founded on the following principles: 1. Crows are of varying distinction and intelligence, therefore notice must be taken of the varying classes of crows. 2. Crows respond to events with characteristic behavioral patterns, therefore by noting the character of the response one may learn the character of the event. 3. Crow behavior and response differs according to time of day. 4. The angle of direction between the observer and the crow has significance. The general predictions governing crow calls are given as follows, categorized by the time of day and the direction in which the call is observed. First Watch 6:00 am - 9:00 am East: Wishes will be fulfilled Southeast: An enemy will approach South: A friend will visit Southwest: Unexpected profit will accrue West: Great wind will rise Northwest: A stranger will appear North: Scattered property will be found Northeast: A woman will come Zenith: A demon will appear Second Watch 9:00 am - 12:00 pm East Near relatives will come South Flowers and areca-nuts obtained Southwest Numerous offspring West You will set out on a distant journey Northwest One king replaced by another North Good news will be received Northeast Disorder breaks out Zenith Fulfillment of your wishes Third Watch 12:00 pm - 3:00 pm East: You will obtain property Southeast: A battle will arise South: A storm will come Southwest: An enemy will come West: A woman will come Northwest: A relative will come North: A good friend will come Northeast: A conflagration breaks out Zenith: You will gain profit by being taken care of by the king Fourth Watch 3:00 pm - 6:00 pm East: Great fear predicted Southeast: Great gain coming South: A stranger will come Southwest: A storm will rise in seven days West: Rain and wind will come Northwest: Scattered property found North: A king will appear Northeast: You will obtain rank Zenith: Hunger predicted Sunset East An enemy appears on the road Southeast A treasure will come to you South You will die of disease Southwest The wishes of one's heart fulfilled West Relatives will come Northwest Obtaining property predicted North Homage will be done to the king Zenith You will obtain advantage you hoped for General Observations Crow on right: good journey Crow behind: you obtain siddhi A crow flapping his wings, calls: great accident Crow pulls human hair: death Crow eats dirty food: food and drink about to come Crow on thornbush: enemy Crow on milksap tree: milkrice to you Crow on withered tree: no food and drink Crow on palace: excellent halting place Crow on divan: enemy will come Crow facing door: peril at frontier Crow pulling dress: dress to you Crow on skull: death Crow with red thread on house: fire **end** In the waning days of the Merv wave I was teaching TM outside of Philadelphia (Chestnut Hill/Erdenheim) and a young man, Carlos, already a meditator, contacted me and asked me to initiate his dying, elderly mother who was bedridden in her home somewhere in North Philly. I gave her the first two lectures in one and arranged to come and do the initiation in her bedroom where she was confined. When I came back the next day after initiation for the first day of checking she told me that she had heard a crow call to her outside her bedroom window (south, if I recollect correctly) during her first
[FairfieldLife] Bring it on.
Bring it on. ...OffWorld http://www.rense.com/general74/d3af.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Perfect House
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you could afford the perfect house, price being no obsticle, in a perfect location, that looked fantastic on the outside and like, 'wow' on the inside, built with the best materials, with the most expensive upgrades, with a killer view to the ocean or mountains or deserts, or anywhere you liked, but had a south entrance, would you buy it? OF COURSE!:-) Of course too! To much silly voodo in all this vastu crap. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bring it on.
-- Of course!...these were the Anunnaki (the Nephilim or Giants mentioned in the Bible), who spliced their own DNA onto the uncivilized humanoids living at that time. The whole account is spelled out in detail in the works of Secharia Sitchin, beginning with The Twelfth Planet, 1976. http://www.halexandria.org/dward185.htm - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bring it on. ...OffWorld http://www.rense.com/general74/d3af.htm
[FairfieldLife] The ME
The ME: http://www.halexandria.org/dward187.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Perfect House
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: If you could afford the perfect house, price being no obsticle, in a perfect location, that looked fantastic on the outside and like, 'wow' on the inside, built with the best materials, with the most expensive upgrades, with a killer view to the ocean or mountains or deserts, or anywhere you liked, but had a south entrance, would you buy it? OF COURSE!:-) Of course too! To much silly voodo in all this vastu crap. Once again I see Maharishi creating conditions for seekers to confront their own minds. As to my opinion of the vastu thing, I am now aware of the four cardianl points much more than I used to be. I haven't reached a conclusion about the whole vastu thing, but like many many things Maharishi has said, sometimes I will study a single expression of his for a decade or more before reaching a conclusion. Just the nature of what he says, combined with the practice of TM.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi, Lurk
Re: Marrying and Having Children: Nablus: If having them does not shift attention away from meditation to diapers, as it obviously did for the original poster, then why not. To have them can't ruin your spiritual life if you don't want an excuse to quit. Lurk: Nab, I want to have another shot at this. I would say that there comes a point where marrying or having children, or eating certain food, or engaging in certain behavior just doesn't have the oomf to throw one off the spiritual path. Perhaps you hold that only through meditation and certain types of activity can progress be made. But IMHO it's a pretty tricky thing to make evaluations or judgements about the path another person is on. Obviously what may unsuitable for you could be evolutionary for another. That's not to say there isn't plenty of risk when you jump off the prescribed path. There are plenty of traps. But, sometimes you find a shortcut if the quicksand or crocs don't get you.
[FairfieldLife] Puja to Vigneshwara (Ganesh)
http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=119013263355339
Celebrating the removal of all obstacles in individual life and in
the destiny of mankind
by Global Good News staff writer
Global Good News
18 September 2007
During a recent global celebration, following Puja [traditional Vedic
ceremony of gratitude] and Vedic Recitation in celebration of
Vigneshwara, the Devata* [aspect of Natural Law] to eliminate all
obstacles, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi spoke about the removal of obstacles
in both individual life and in the destiny of mankind so that
invincibility shines in national life everywhere.
'Where are the obstacles?' Maharishi said. 'Between Jiva
[individuality] and Brahm [Totality], if there are obstacles that
separate Jiva and its own potential Brahm.
'The entire Puja to Vigneshwara today took us from the very gross
through all the subtle levels of travel between a mixed-up world of
diversity to pure Unity. From step to step, from complications to
purity, [there was] elimination of complexities in order that we
begin to enjoy our steadfast existence in the field of Brahm.
'All that exists between Atma and Brahm, Vigneshwara, through the
Puja todayone Puja, clears the passage. [It's a] great day for us:
from the world of conflicts and uncomfortable complexities to the
world of purity, from the field of Be-coming to become the field of
Being, all the obstacles [are] cleared today.
'It has been a great day for us with the Puja to Guru Dev
[Maharishi's spiritual teacher]. This is the Vedic Calendar of Veda
Bhumi Bharat [India, the land of the Veda]. . . Lord Vigneshwara has
brought us to the field of pure Being.
Today [we are] having the day of clearingclear, clear, clear, clear
through the whole field of Veda, Pure Knowledge, to the end of
diversity, [which is] ruled by the Devatas that are all the way
through the Veda to Vedanta [the Vedic Literature pertaining to
Brahm]from the Veda to Vedanta, from multiplicity to Unity.
'[It was] a very special performance and the Pandits from India have
helped us. It's like when you sit in the train and the train helps us
[to get] from one station to the other, from one station to the
other. Like that, all that the Pandits have chanted has been just
like a travel from the present level to the destination level . . . .
'The glory of today, the worship of Vigneshwara today, helped by Puja
to Guru Dev, has taken us from complexity to simplicity. All the
obstacles that make the whole path complex and rather long and
diversified, the [recitation] of the Vedic mantra in the worship of
Lord Vigneshwarathe very name of the Lord is Vigneshwarathat is the
Lord of all the obstacles. That takes us directly from here to here,
not from here to there, but from here to here.
'The passage is through the Veda. And where is Veda? Veda is in the
Atma [the Self], from 'A' to 'M' and 'M' to 'A', [the syllables of
Atma and also the first syllables of Rk Veda]. Just this area
from 'A' to 'M', from 'M' to 'A''Atma', 'Atma', 'Atma.'
'So today has been the day of clearing, clearing, clearing the
passage, and the long journey from infinite diversity to absolute
Unity has been cut short by the elimination of obstacles by whom? By
the lord of purification, Lord Vigneshwara.
The Devatas are like various aspects of transforming agencies. At
every step, at every step, [there is] innumerable, innumerable
performing necessary to cross beyond the ocean of diversity, and that
is with the help of, with the Grace of, with the kindness of Lord
Vigneshwara, the Lord of eliminating obstacles.
[It is a] great day for our aspirations to establish Raam Raj, the
rule of Raam [the rule of Total Natural Law]. It's a beautiful day,
clearing the destiny of mankind so that all the quality of national
life everywhere shines through invincibility. All Glory to Guru Dev.
Jai Guru Dev.
'We continue our march free from obstacles through the Grace of Lord
Vigneshwara, through the Grace of Guru Dev. All Glory to Guru Dev.
Guru Dev, Brahmananda Saraswati, Vijayante-Taram [Victory to Guru
Dev]. Lord Vigneshwara Vijayante-Taram. Guru Dev, Brahmananda
Saraswati, Vijayante-Taram.
* Maharishi has also recently explained ('Maharishi celebrates...')
that Devata refers to 'the level of the subtle field of dynamism in
the transcendental field that is called Devata. All Devatas are the
expressions of the eternal silence. . . .'
Copyright © 2007 Global Good News(sm) Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realization
The enlightened say that there is no change when the body drops. People are drawn to very complicated explainations. My Guru's comments is that people hear it and dont understand it and think wow he is great. The complexity in all ways adds to keeping one from unfolding enlightenment which IS simplicity. IN my path, it is either one is enlightened or not, just like one is either pregnant or not. Any enlightened One will say the same thing- there is no me to get enlightened, there only IS, or Being- no two, only One. No it cannot be understood by intellect but if one want to believe in this aspect, since faith is going to be needed - and a Guru as well, if you buy into the concept that the guru will only take one as far as they are, then you might buy into not accepting when a guru tells you that you will become enlightened- for such a one that says this is not enlightened and therefore will not be able to guide others to enlightenment. This is the value I see in putting this statement out that a me will never become enlightened Prior to realization, the above point is very difficult to understand. In fact it can't be understood IMHO. Prior to realization consciousness and the sense of a psychological or private individual are experienced as the same. So if somebody talks about the experiential I or me vanishing in enlightenment it seems to be annihilation of consciousness itself. This seems to be the source of much of the protests regarding this point (e.g., Bronte's recent posts). But this does not happen. Prior to Realization consciousness is projected into and identified with aspects of mind so consciousness, phenomenologically, IS the mind. A powerful delusion of individuality is created. The initial step of Realization is consciousness pulling out of this identification. When this occurs there is a clear distinction between buddhi and purusha and a clear recognition that I no longer exists as a private psychological self, but is completely unbounded and non-localized. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Crows (Schmopcircles (Re: New Cropcircles))
In the waning days of the Merv wave I was teaching TM outside of Philadelphia (Chestnut Hill/Erdenheim) and a young man, Carlos, already a meditator, contacted me and asked me to initiate his dying, elderly mother who was bedridden in her home somewhere in North Philly. I gave her the first two lectures in one and arranged to come and do the initiation in her bedroom where she was confined. When I came back the next day after initiation for the first day of checking she told me that she had heard a crow call to her outside her bedroom window (south, if I recollect correctly) during her first meditation alone and she knew that she was to die soon, but it didn't bother her at all. She did, however, sincerely believe that the crow was a messenger to her of her impending death. Nothing more than that, but the situation and the circumstances -- myself as a very young (and earnest) man spending hours alone with an old, dying woman in the small, dim bedroom where she lay preparing for death, all the while speaking to her about meditation and enlightenment, and her sudden interjection of the message she received from the call of the crow -- stuck with me. The Tibetan auguries from the calls of the crows reminded me of that again. Thanks for that. Marek Me: Poetry my brother, poetry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting coincidence below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: **snip** I love crows. A friend of mine turned me on to an old text from Tibet, which he had published privately, written in an archaic Sanskrit in the 9th century and called the Kakajarita. (more properly kAka- cAritra, On the behavior of crows). Kaka, much like that familiar sound Caw! Caw! is the Sanskrit work for crow. The text was translated by a pandit named Danacila into the Tibetan language as Bya-rog-gi skad brtag-par bya-ba, or Investigating the Cries of Crows. It eventually found it's way into the Buddhist Canon, the Tanjur, and thus became a commonly used text there. TMers can relate to it as what the presence of crows indicates from the POV of Unity Consciousness. Here's some of it: Divination through observation of crows in Tibetan tradition is founded on the following principles: 1. Crows are of varying distinction and intelligence, therefore notice must be taken of the varying classes of crows. 2. Crows respond to events with characteristic behavioral patterns, therefore by noting the character of the response one may learn the character of the event. 3. Crow behavior and response differs according to time of day. 4. The angle of direction between the observer and the crow has significance. The general predictions governing crow calls are given as follows, categorized by the time of day and the direction in which the call is observed. First Watch 6:00 am - 9:00 am East: Wishes will be fulfilled Southeast: An enemy will approach South: A friend will visit Southwest: Unexpected profit will accrue West: Great wind will rise Northwest: A stranger will appear North: Scattered property will be found Northeast: A woman will come Zenith: A demon will appear Second Watch 9:00 am - 12:00 pm East Near relatives will come South Flowers and areca-nuts obtained Southwest Numerous offspring West You will set out on a distant journey Northwest One king replaced by another North Good news will be received Northeast Disorder breaks out Zenith Fulfillment of your wishes Third Watch 12:00 pm - 3:00 pm East: You will obtain property Southeast: A battle will arise South: A storm will come Southwest: An enemy will come West: A woman will come Northwest: A relative will come North: A good friend will come Northeast: A conflagration breaks out Zenith: You will gain profit by being taken care of by the king Fourth Watch 3:00 pm - 6:00 pm East: Great fear predicted Southeast: Great gain coming South: A stranger will come Southwest: A storm will rise in seven days West: Rain and wind will come Northwest: Scattered property found North: A king will appear Northeast: You will obtain rank Zenith: Hunger predicted Sunset East An enemy appears on the road Southeast A treasure will come to you South You will die of disease Southwest The wishes of one's heart fulfilled West Relatives will come Northwest Obtaining property predicted North Homage will be done to the king Zenith You will obtain advantage you hoped for General Observations Crow on right: good journey Crow behind: you obtain siddhi A crow flapping his wings, calls: great accident Crow pulls human hair: death Crow eats dirty food: food and drink about to come Crow on thornbush: enemy Crow
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Cropcircles
Judy: Would you acknowledge the possibility that for one who has very thoroughly studied crop circles, what may seem biased views to you may in fact be quite objective? Would you also acknowledge that your own view is distinctly biased, especially given that you *haven't* studied the phenomenon? ME: Totally yes and yes. The chances of me having to shift my perspective from what I had coming in is 100% That's why I am enjoying the ride. Judy: I don't know that you should even carry that particular theory around in your head as a provisional goal if you're seriously looking into this stuff, because it's liable to automatically bias you against the phenomenon by setting up two alternatives: Either the circles are manmade, or they're made by aliens. Better to look for what can be *ruled out* as possible explanations, and then take account of what's left. Final point: There are many layers to the hoax- versus-genuine aspect of the crop circle phenomenon, in the sense that there's some evidence of a highly motivated and determined counterhoaxing movement, i.e., spurious claims to have made certain circles, dubious claims about the number of hoaxers, and so forth. This makes it quite difficult to come to any solid conclusions, which may be the reason for the counterhoaxing efforts. So use the same degree of skepticism when evaluating the purported claims of hoaxing as you do when evaluating claims about genuine crop circles. Me: Excellent in every way. I wish I had written it! This subject is such a perfect mirror for how I approach new fields of knowledge that I have a bias with. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip Every picture on the Web has been through picture processing software. the question is not Were the pictures Photoshopped, or the equivalent but which aspects of the photo processing software was used aside from the cropping and compression features of the program. It is not that the pictures all had to be created from the ground up in Photoshop, but tweeked to appear more amazing then they really are on the ground. Think O.J.'s darkened face on the cover of Time for a tweek that matters. Gee, I don't think that's a very good example. What sort of tweaks do you think would make the crop circles appear to be more amazing than they really are? snip Who is the source of our information? This is where life is simple for Nabby and not so much for Judy and me. For Nabby he has an authority whom he trusts, Benjamin Creme. So that ends his epistemological issues. Since I don't see him as an authority on anything I have to go further. I don't know Judy's position on his authority but I suspect she had to go through the process I am in right now, whose information from the ground do I trust. I don't grant Creme any particular authority. Judy: This is a good, fairly objective text intro on the topic: http://www.swirlednews.com/crop.asp ME: I found that this group reveals their bias in their own words: Note that I said fairly objective, not completely objective. The guy isn't insisting on any particular explanation. Swirled News is edited by Andy Thomas, author of five books on crop circles including Vital Signs, which has been described by many as the definitive guide to the circle phenomenon. Like many of the links this group is economically invested in the belief that these are more than man-made art projects. That *some* of them are not manmade. Thomas makes no bones about the fact that many of them are hoaxes. snip Although many cottage industries that have popped up around this phenomenon, this doesn't rule out that something amazing is happening, it just means that the term objective shouldn't be applied to people who sell stuff related to the belief. In my Web searchs many of the the visible experts in this field are photographers who sell these images. Would you acknowledge the possibility that for one who has very thoroughly studied crop circles, what may seem biased views to you may in fact be quite objective? Would you also acknowledge that your own view is distinctly biased, especially given that you *haven't* studied the phenomenon? Thing is, funding for crop circles research is not exactly a priority for most agencies and organizations. These guys need to get it from somewhere. The only folks who are going to do the initial studies are those who think there's something worth studying. It's very much like the TM research in that respect. So for me the question is who on the ground claiming that something amazing has happened can I believe? Here is a good summery of some of the questions that should be accounted for: Nice summary of the questions that don't have
[FairfieldLife] Aushcwitz employee picnic pics
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/19/arts/design/19photo.html
