[FairfieldLife] Money honey?
http://www.rxpgnews.com/medicine/Honey-can-work-as-antibiotic_409386.shtml Defensin-1 in honey can work as antibiotic Jul 1, 2010 - 3:34:00 PM 'We've known for millennia that honey can be good for what ails us, but we haven't known how it works,' said Gerald Weissmann, editor-in-chief of FASEB Journal, which published these findings. --- Praps Maharishi Honey is amongst the best in that regard...? :o
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Nice piece, Dude. Thanks, nice to hear from you Edg. Wow Curtis Edg - amazing discussion. Let me sum this up for others who might be too intellectually deceptuously challenged - in plain English the summary would be - my shit doesn't smell any better or worse than yours, but your shit stinks and mine's amazingly fragrant. So you were thinking that if you ran trollish behavior on a spiritual list it wouldn't be noticed and identified as trollish behavior? The troll routine is soo 1999 Ravi. It isn't new, and it isn't interesting. Jump into the deep end and discuss what you disagree with if you want to become more than a troll interloper here. Very funny Curtis, that you can't even see the pun shows how full of intellectual garbage you are or may be you snort TM all day? You have to use 1000 words whereas I just need one sentence, how's that for brevity. I'm not here to indulge your whore(intellect) - you are already too fascinated with it. Tough luck pal.
[FairfieldLife] The thing about Blissnazis is that they don't know what they are
I've gotten used to the Blissnazis here at FFL, those who are so stuck in one point of view that they feel the need to try to impose it on others, and get them to admit that they are wrong and only the Blissnazi is right. My approach to dealing with such people is to try to ignore their silly asses, treat them as the perpetual adolescents they are, and focus on more fun conversations. Recently I got to see this same dynamic on another forum. A former Rama student started a private chat group on Facebook to discuss him and what it was like to study with him, and because no other such forums exist any more, it attracted quite a few students eager to reconnect and pass some pleasant moments engaging in This is what I've been up to since we last met...how about you? conversations. No sooner did these kinds of conversations start than the Blissnazi in question started barging in and demonizing anyone who said anything other than the Rama Party Line. She went out of her way to portray them as stupid, or having not had the exalted experiences with Rama that she did, or not understanding the Truth about him, or being just plain malevolent and trying to spoil things for those who know the 'Truth.' Suffice it to say I bailed after a few days. To their credit, so have most of the other former students who first signed on to the forum. They are, for the most part, people who are comfortable with their *own* interpretations of the time they spent with the guy, and perceive anyone trying to tell them that these impressions are wrong as the elitist insult it is. My suspicion is that within a few weeks the forum will be down from a high of 120+ members to less than a dozen, the ones who agree with the Blissnazi's POV being the only ones left. And the thing is, the Blissnazi believes that all of these people bailing after she insults them and tells them they are wrong and only she is right are the ones who have a problem. She's caught in that narcissistic dream in which any opinion that differs from hers has to be perceived as an invitation to a duel. And this duel has to be WON. Most of the people she ran her Blissnazi number on got it immediately, and bailed. With those who didn't, she started deleting their posts if they didn't toe the Party Line, and if it happened more than once she deleted them from the forum. She sees nothing wrong with this. Doesn't it remind you of a few here on Fairfield Life? I happen to know that the Rama Blissninny is fairly young, and has spent her entire life in cults of one kind or another. She is *used* to being told what to think, and when Rama killed himself, she stepped into that role her- self. Or tried to. To give you an example of the kind of rigid thinking we are talking about, one of the things she went ballistic about was someone -- not me -- using the phrase when Rama killed himself in a post. She suggested -- fairly strongly, since she had by then estab- lished a track record of tossing out anyone who disagreed with her -- that all future references to his death be what they really were, his Mahasamadhi. Life is just too short to deal with this kind of head-in-the-sand idiocy, so I bailed, and so did many others. WHY do so-called spiritual seekers act this way? What is IN IT FOR THEM that they persist in such adolescent behavior? From my point of view the inability to deal with other points of vew is not faith or honoring the teacher, it's the ultimate sign of insecurity. The kinds of posters I like the most on FFL are the ones who merely present their opinions, and graciously allow others to have their own opinions. Curtis is like this, and Joe and, I hope, myself. I really don't feel any need to argue about something as unimportant as an OPINION, and I have a hard time understanding the mind of anyone who does. I *certainly* don't feel any need to play their game and let them suck me into some elongated argument about whose OPINION is more right or wrong. That's the stuff of birtherism. Here on FFL we even have our own version of it. Whenever a former TM teacher who has moved on to POVs other than Maharishi's says something that the Blissnazis don't like, the cry goes up, He never really learned TM, or its variant, He never learned TM 'correctly,' the way *I* did. This kind of behavior -- trying to demonize or perform character assassination on someone just because their opinion differs from your own -- is an EMBARRASSMENT to the whole notion of spiritual development. It's sad enough when one sees it in a young person who has never known any other environment than a dogmatic cult. To see it in someone who was never even a *member* of the cult she compulsively sells her opinions about, and who is pushing 70, inspires nothing but pity. Nothing ever posted to Fairfield Life was the Truth. No one here knows that Truth any more than anyone else. We just spout opinions. I think you can tell a lot about a person by how comfort- able they are with other
[FairfieldLife] The Wedding
It's beauty full this morning. The images, the sounds, the sermon, the vows, the hopes. May the full consciousness of the Unified Field rise to meet them all the rest of their days. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Microsoft + Nokia: Mikro-sokia? :D
Mikrosokia (Finn. dial.) -- micro-blind!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: So your beef with me is that I don't buy that you have a special relationship with the creator of the universe, right? The little routine that you are above the whore intellect isn't fooling anyone here either. Poor carpenter blames his tools. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Nice piece, Dude. Thanks, nice to hear from you Edg. Wow Curtis Edg - amazing discussion. Let me sum this up for others who might be too intellectually deceptuously challenged - in plain English the summary would be - my shit doesn't smell any better or worse than yours, but your shit stinks and mine's amazingly fragrant. So you were thinking that if you ran trollish behavior on a spiritual list it wouldn't be noticed and identified as trollish behavior? The troll routine is soo 1999 Ravi. It isn't new, and it isn't interesting. Jump into the deep end and discuss what you disagree with if you want to become more than a troll interloper here. Very funny Curtis, that you can't even see the pun shows how full of intellectual garbage you are or may be you snort TM all day? You have to use 1000 words whereas I just need one sentence, how's that for brevity. I'm not here to indulge your whore(intellect) - you are already too fascinated with it. Tough luck pal.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes
Damn hammer! Peter On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:39 AM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: So your beef with me is that I don't buy that you have a special relationship with the creator of the universe, right? The little routine that you are above the whore intellect isn't fooling anyone here either. Poor carpenter blames his tools. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Nice piece, Dude. Thanks, nice to hear from you Edg. Wow Curtis Edg - amazing discussion. Let me sum this up for others who might be too intellectually deceptuously challenged - in plain English the summary would be - my shit doesn't smell any better or worse than yours, but your shit stinks and mine's amazingly fragrant. So you were thinking that if you ran trollish behavior on a spiritual list it wouldn't be noticed and identified as trollish behavior? The troll routine is soo 1999 Ravi. It isn't new, and it isn't interesting. Jump into the deep end and discuss what you disagree with if you want to become more than a troll interloper here. Very funny Curtis, that you can't even see the pun shows how full of intellectual garbage you are or may be you snort TM all day? You have to use 1000 words whereas I just need one sentence, how's that for brevity. I'm not here to indulge your whore(intellect) - you are already too fascinated with it. Tough luck pal. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes
Hey Curtis, What do you identify as trollish behavior? I am curious because I was reading up on it (wiki-p), and the distinction appears to be a troll is someone making disruptive posts, in order to provoke an emotional reaction, vs. those participating in a current discussion, or presenting an idea for discussion. I didn't read Ravi's post as trollish. He states his ideas directly, but he is also willing to clarify and discuss them. On the other hand there is a practice by others here, where the intent is to proclaim something knowingly false, or distorted, in order to provoke those on the forum. The high minded justification appears to be that it is somehow tantric to create this kind of conflict, when all that is happening is those expressing things in this way are enjoying their intellect, posting such things seen as trollish as a means to prove to themselves again and again that they can express ideas. Perhaps that is the distinction between a troll post (exclusive) and a non-troll post - The troll post is posted purely for the delight of expressing an idea - it is all about the poster and the reactions he can elicit. The intent is not to have a discussion but rather provoke a response, which is then not responded to to form a discussion, but rather, enjoyed by the troll as the reflected rays of the troll post. It is all about the troll. An inclusive post on the other hand is a comment on, or an initiation of, a discussion. Given that criteria, I'd characterize Ravi's post as inclusive and non-trollish, a comment on yours and Edg's discussion. What do you think? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Nice piece, Dude. Thanks, nice to hear from you Edg. Wow Curtis Edg - amazing discussion. Let me sum this up for others who might be too intellectually deceptuously challenged - in plain English the summary would be - my shit doesn't smell any better or worse than yours, but your shit stinks and mine's amazingly fragrant. So you were thinking that if you ran trollish behavior on a spiritual list it wouldn't be noticed and identified as trollish behavior? The troll routine is soo 1999 Ravi. It isn't new, and it isn't interesting. Jump into the deep end and discuss what you disagree with if you want to become more than a troll interloper here. But, but, but, aren't we all as if in our own private ashrams in that we also have routines that are equally as hard wired, and that we mindfully have put into place? Even the mundane is ritualized thereby. I always have mustard with my hot dog just as much as these guys have to have a certain amount of candles lit for their hotdogish ceremony. See? Sure like me never missing House even though it has sooo jumped the shark. We can try to give our lives routine. In my line of work that is not too easy which is one of the things I dig about it. I am challenged by a completely different audience every show. But the level of sameness in their lives is exponentially higher. When I was living in Maharishi's approximation of that life my mind would focus on tiny differences to give me some sense of non routine. The bigger issue with monastic life is that they never interact with some guy at the filling station who snakes in front of you when you have been waiting in line for the air hose for two cars. I feel like I'm in a box no less ornate or less armored against change than these monks, only they get to claim they're routines are spiritually evolving them at a faster (fastest?) pace than ordinary life can do Edg. I seriously doubt you are. And you raised kids so you have automatically lived a life of new shit coming at you that kicks my life's surprises' butt. I disagree with the monks in that the divine, if real, must be omnipresent, so if I'm to honor that, then ordinary life has to have the deepest divinity available, and the only missing element is my intent to see it or, lacking the eyesight, try to see it if I can evolve a mind capable of doing so. Very Thomas Merton. I think that way too. These monks are kinda cheating in that they surround themselves in a cocoon of sacred relics, and thus perforce are constantly stimulated by such objects to re-up their commitment to place awareness on the divine, Is it really the divine of a bunch of ideas and words that aspire to that? I really think that this type of focus is totally overrated. but the likes of you and I are out here winging it
[FairfieldLife] Apology to Doug for my trollish posts
It has come to my attention that I have sent some trollish posts your way recently and I apologize Doug. We have had many good conversations in the past and you don't deserve that kind of behavior from me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Hey Curtis, What do you identify as trollish behavior? I am curious because I was reading up on it (wiki-p), and the distinction appears to be a troll is someone making disruptive posts, in order to provoke an emotional reaction, vs. those participating in a current discussion, or presenting an idea for discussion. That's the one. I didn't read Ravi's post as trollish. He states his ideas directly, but he is also willing to clarify and discuss them. That is exactly what he refuses to do. It is a consistent behavior. On the other hand there is a practice by others here, where the intent is to proclaim something knowingly false, or distorted, in order to provoke those on the forum. The high minded justification appears to be that it is somehow tantric to create this kind of conflict, when all that is happening is those expressing things in this way are enjoying their intellect, posting such things seen as trollish as a means to prove to themselves again and again that they can express ideas. I take it case by case. There are only a few posters I consider trollish here, incapable of conversation. But it may be in the eye of the reader. If I feel someone's post could be substituted with the phrase you are a poopy pants I suspect trollish intent. I see this place as a vortex to enhance understanding between people with different points of view. But I am on no pedestal. In retrospect some of my replies to Doug might fall into the trollish category. Perhaps that is the distinction between a troll post (exclusive) and a non-troll post - The troll post is posted purely for the delight of expressing an idea - it is all about the poster and the reactions he can elicit. The intent is not to have a discussion but rather provoke a response, which is then not responded to to form a discussion, but rather, enjoyed by the troll as the reflected rays of the troll post. It is all about the troll. Wow, then I definitely owe Doug an apology. Sorry buddy, I'll try to reign in my inner troll in the future. I make a distinction about expressing my feelings about an idea and actually aiming at a person. If I say that I believe that the ideas of a god seems to have no solid basis, I am not being a troll for all those who believe it. I am aiming at an idea and we should all be able to maintain healthy enough intellectual boundaries to know that it is not a statement about the holder of the idea. Of course in the heat of discussion this line can get blurred. In my experience here, my stating my opinion about ideas can often invoke a personal attack. I think this is lame. A few posters here are capable of disagreeing with me and telling me why. Those are the people I respect here no matter how different our POV is on any topic. An inclusive post on the other hand is a comment on, or an initiation of, a discussion. Given that criteria, I'd characterize Ravi's post as inclusive and non-trollish, a comment on yours and Edg's discussion. What do you think? I still think it was trollish. I asked him to enter into a more detailed discussion about what he disagreed with and his response was that he was above that kind of discussion. I do appreciate your allowing me to reflect on my own behavior here Jim. This was a very productive, non trollish discussion for me, thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Nice piece, Dude. Thanks, nice to hear from you Edg. Wow Curtis Edg - amazing discussion. Let me sum this up for others who might be too intellectually deceptuously challenged - in plain English the summary would be - my shit doesn't smell any better or worse than yours, but your shit stinks and mine's amazingly fragrant. So you were thinking that if you ran trollish behavior on a spiritual list it wouldn't be noticed and identified as trollish behavior? The troll routine is soo 1999 Ravi. It isn't new, and it isn't interesting. Jump into the deep end and discuss what you disagree with if you want to become more than a troll interloper here. But, but, but, aren't we all as if in our own private ashrams in that we also have routines that are equally as hard wired, and that we mindfully have put into place? Even the mundane is ritualized thereby. I always have mustard with my hot dog just as much as these guys have to have a certain amount of candles lit for their hotdogish ceremony. See? Sure like me never missing House even though it has
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Wedding
On 04/29/2011 04:27 AM, Buck wrote: It's beauty full this morning. The images, the sounds, the sermon, the vows, the hopes. May the full consciousness of the Unified Field rise to meet them all the rest of their days. -Buck Who cares about a bunch of inbred Brits?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
Nope, the stupidity is entirely yours on this issue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJfdKClbH4 Shows the certificate is a many layered Adobe Illustrator file. This is not going to end. I'm not a birther, but this video is interesting for other reasons, like, how the White House could be so stupid. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Which is why Trump immediately shifted his focus yesterday to questioning how Obama got into Columbia and Harvardwhy won't he show us his grades? He (and the other idiot birthers) should just man up and say what's REALLY on their minds: He ain't one of us. He's ain't a TRUE Christian He's probably a Mooslum He's a niggra and it just galls me to no end that one of THEM made it into the WHITE House Jon Stewart got it right: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/28/jon-stewart-birth-certificate_n_854774.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: This has little to do with where President Obama was born... And much to do with unadulterated racism... Plain and simple. Exactly. That's what I meant by saying that listening to what the birthers say now that their non-issue has been revealed as the non-issue it always was would be like being a fly on the wall of a KKK meeting. It's ALWAYS been about having a black man as President, and some people being unable to live with that. The very essence of birtherism is This person is not entitled by birth to hold his office, the way a real President should be... Since they couldn't bring themselves to add ...because he's black, they said ...because he wasn't born in the USA.
[FairfieldLife] Birthers *still* don't believe Obama
Take a look: http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/birther1.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes
Thanks Curtis - non-trollish here too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hey Curtis, What do you identify as trollish behavior? I am curious because I was reading up on it (wiki-p), and the distinction appears to be a troll is someone making disruptive posts, in order to provoke an emotional reaction, vs. those participating in a current discussion, or presenting an idea for discussion. That's the one. I didn't read Ravi's post as trollish. He states his ideas directly, but he is also willing to clarify and discuss them. That is exactly what he refuses to do. It is a consistent behavior. On the other hand there is a practice by others here, where the intent is to proclaim something knowingly false, or distorted, in order to provoke those on the forum. The high minded justification appears to be that it is somehow tantric to create this kind of conflict, when all that is happening is those expressing things in this way are enjoying their intellect, posting such things seen as trollish as a means to prove to themselves again and again that they can express ideas. I take it case by case. There are only a few posters I consider trollish here, incapable of conversation. But it may be in the eye of the reader. If I feel someone's post could be substituted with the phrase you are a poopy pants I suspect trollish intent. I see this place as a vortex to enhance understanding between people with different points of view. But I am on no pedestal. In retrospect some of my replies to Doug might fall into the trollish category. Perhaps that is the distinction between a troll post (exclusive) and a non-troll post - The troll post is posted purely for the delight of expressing an idea - it is all about the poster and the reactions he can elicit. The intent is not to have a discussion but rather provoke a response, which is then not responded to to form a discussion, but rather, enjoyed by the troll as the reflected rays of the troll post. It is all about the troll. Wow, then I definitely owe Doug an apology. Sorry buddy, I'll try to reign in my inner troll in the future. I make a distinction about expressing my feelings about an idea and actually aiming at a person. If I say that I believe that the ideas of a god seems to have no solid basis, I am not being a troll for all those who believe it. I am aiming at an idea and we should all be able to maintain healthy enough intellectual boundaries to know that it is not a statement about the holder of the idea. Of course in the heat of discussion this line can get blurred. In my experience here, my stating my opinion about ideas can often invoke a personal attack. I think this is lame. A few posters here are capable of disagreeing with me and telling me why. Those are the people I respect here no matter how different our POV is on any topic. An inclusive post on the other hand is a comment on, or an initiation of, a discussion. Given that criteria, I'd characterize Ravi's post as inclusive and non-trollish, a comment on yours and Edg's discussion. What do you think? I still think it was trollish. I asked him to enter into a more detailed discussion about what he disagreed with and his response was that he was above that kind of discussion. I do appreciate your allowing me to reflect on my own behavior here Jim. This was a very productive, non trollish discussion for me, thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Nice piece, Dude. Thanks, nice to hear from you Edg. Wow Curtis Edg - amazing discussion. Let me sum this up for others who might be too intellectually deceptuously challenged - in plain English the summary would be - my shit doesn't smell any better or worse than yours, but your shit stinks and mine's amazingly fragrant. So you were thinking that if you ran trollish behavior on a spiritual list it wouldn't be noticed and identified as trollish behavior? The troll routine is soo 1999 Ravi. It isn't new, and it isn't interesting. Jump into the deep end and discuss what you disagree with if you want to become more than a troll interloper here. But, but, but, aren't we all as if in our own private ashrams in that we also have routines that are equally as hard wired, and that we mindfully have put into place? Even the mundane is
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Wedding
On 04/29/2011 04:27 AM, Buck wrote: It's beauty full this morning. The images, the sounds, the sermon, the vows, the hopes. May the full consciousness of the Unified Field rise to meet them all the rest of their days. -Buck Mark Twain on Royalty: http://www.twainquotes.com/Royalty.html The institution of royalty in any form is an insult to the human race. - Notebook, 1888 I would guess that would extend to certain royalty wearing Burger King crowns.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wedding
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Mark Twain on Royalty: http://www.twainquotes.com/Royalty.html The institution of royalty in any form is an insult to the human race. - Notebook, 1888 Not, of course, that he had a high opinion of the human race: I have no race prejudice. I think I have no color prejudices or caste prejudices nor creed prejudices. Indeed, I know it. I can stand any society. All that I care to know is that a man is a human being -- that is enough for me; he can't be any worse. - Mark Twain :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
Joe, what did I miss? I'm thinking the White House made a scan that has it's own ways of sorting out hunks and therefore there's artifacts of that process that can be made out to be suspect. If so, then the White House should have warned the Media about this issue. By not having done so, they're either non-geeky or they planned on the birther issue to still have some traction to gripe. Am I missing some element here? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: Nope, the stupidity is entirely yours on this issue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJfdKClbH4 Shows the certificate is a many layered Adobe Illustrator file. This is not going to end. I'm not a birther, but this video is interesting for other reasons, like, how the White House could be so stupid. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Which is why Trump immediately shifted his focus yesterday to questioning how Obama got into Columbia and Harvardwhy won't he show us his grades? He (and the other idiot birthers) should just man up and say what's REALLY on their minds: He ain't one of us. He's ain't a TRUE Christian He's probably a Mooslum He's a niggra and it just galls me to no end that one of THEM made it into the WHITE House Jon Stewart got it right: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/28/jon-stewart-birth-certificate_n_854774.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: This has little to do with where President Obama was born... And much to do with unadulterated racism... Plain and simple. Exactly. That's what I meant by saying that listening to what the birthers say now that their non-issue has been revealed as the non-issue it always was would be like being a fly on the wall of a KKK meeting. It's ALWAYS been about having a black man as President, and some people being unable to live with that. The very essence of birtherism is This person is not entitled by birth to hold his office, the way a real President should be... Since they couldn't bring themselves to add ...because he's black, they said ...because he wasn't born in the USA.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
A PDF of the original birth certificate should just be a scan not an actual PostScript document. Older documents are usually always done this way since of course there is no data around and you just scan the document. So the guy's video may be a fake. And there is even an article today on InfoWars.com about it being a distraction and even if McCain had gotten elected he wouldn't have done anything different in the White House. That's because Presidents are car salesmen and don't really set policy. As for the birther issue on the liberal side people are giving pause because we don't want to open the door for Ahnuld to become President. But then he has given indication that he has learned his lesson about politics and wants to get back into movies. Maybe a Terminator meets the Fockers movie? On 04/29/2011 10:35 AM, Duveyoung wrote: Joe, what did I miss? I'm thinking the White House made a scan that has it's own ways of sorting out hunks and therefore there's artifacts of that process that can be made out to be suspect. If so, then the White House should have warned the Media about this issue. By not having done so, they're either non-geeky or they planned on the birther issue to still have some traction to gripe. Am I missing some element here? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joegeezerfreak@... wrote: Nope, the stupidity is entirely yours on this issue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoungno_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJfdKClbH4 Shows the certificate is a many layered Adobe Illustrator file. This is not going to end. I'm not a birther, but this video is interesting for other reasons, like, how the White House could be so stupid. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joegeezerfreak@ wrote: Which is why Trump immediately shifted his focus yesterday to questioning how Obama got into Columbia and Harvardwhy won't he show us his grades? He (and the other idiot birthers) should just man up and say what's REALLY on their minds: He ain't one of us. He's ain't a TRUE Christian He's probably a Mooslum He's a niggra and it just galls me to no end that one of THEM made it into the WHITE House Jon Stewart got it right: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/28/jon-stewart-birth-certificate_n_854774.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoisebno_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robertbabajii_99@ wrote: This has little to do with where President Obama was born... And much to do with unadulterated racism... Plain and simple. Exactly. That's what I meant by saying that listening to what the birthers say now that their non-issue has been revealed as the non-issue it always was would be like being a fly on the wall of a KKK meeting. It's ALWAYS been about having a black man as President, and some people being unable to live with that. The very essence of birtherism is This person is not entitled by birth to hold his office, the way a real President should be... Since they couldn't bring themselves to add ...because he's black, they said ...because he wasn't born in the USA.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Negative suutras!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: Why has Patañjali included some negative suutras in YS? Like II 15: Blaah blaah blaah... duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH. (Blaah...[to preserve the original word order:] suffering verily [is] everything/all for a vivekin.) ...and II 40: shaucaat svaan.ga-jugupsaa parair asaMsargaH. (Dr. Taimni: From physical purity (arises) disgust for one's own body and disinclination to come in physical cntact with others.) IMO, the only explanation seems to be that when a wanna-be yogii(yoginii) starts to encounter that stuff, he(she) might think there's something wrong with what he(she) is doing, if Patañjali hadn't specifically mentioned that can/shall happen! :o FWIW, somehow that reminds me of Luke 14:26 26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Let's suppose Jesus had a guru in India. It seems quite likely he was a Patañjalist! ;D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
Robert, I can't admit to anything, I'm not involved. But from my perspective, this birther stuff is well deserved pay back and BHO's own grandmother claimed he was born right there in Kenya. Democrats tried to make an issue of McCain being born in the Panama Canal zone, claiming he wasn't a legal citizen and not qualified to be president. Those who live by the sword shall parish by the sword or what's good for the goose , is good for the gander. Democratic chickens are coming home to roost, as the Rev.Jeremiah Wright would say. From: Robert babajii...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 7:11:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Robert, pay back's a bitch, aint it? Remember 9/11 Truthers and Dan Rather's false documents? And the beat goes on (snip) So, you admit that this is all just 'Bull', And it's just some sort of payback? So, let me get this straight... If we somehow think that President Obama is not really the President, then we can somehow also forget... That George W. Bush was President...?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes
Truth needs no acknowledgement, whereas lies have to be repeated over and over again 'cause so much has been invested in it :-). People who indulge mindlessly need constant reassurance, approval and acknowledgement - been there and done that. The only person I looked to for acknowledgment last year was my beloved mother Ammachi but she was so compassionate and refused to play along, sure enough it hit me later that it was the game of the ego and I got suckered by it temporarily. My beloved demands so much of my time, I'm in constant orgy with her. So one who is full of love finds little use of words, it's only for one who wants to constant deceive himself. You may fool yourself, but it's obvious to me you are not getting any from your beloved :-) My behavior might come across as trollish, but I would say it's more divine mother gangsterish, I have clarified that several times in the past - no one has to buy it. It's my indulgence, the indulgence of a satiated lover. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: So your beef with me is that I don't buy that you have a special relationship with the creator of the universe, right? The little routine that you are above the whore intellect isn't fooling anyone here either. Poor carpenter blames his tools. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Nice piece, Dude. Thanks, nice to hear from you Edg. Wow Curtis Edg - amazing discussion. Let me sum this up for others who might be too intellectually deceptuously challenged - in plain English the summary would be - my shit doesn't smell any better or worse than yours, but your shit stinks and mine's amazingly fragrant. So you were thinking that if you ran trollish behavior on a spiritual list it wouldn't be noticed and identified as trollish behavior? The troll routine is soo 1999 Ravi. It isn't new, and it isn't interesting. Jump into the deep end and discuss what you disagree with if you want to become more than a troll interloper here. Very funny Curtis, that you can't even see the pun shows how full of intellectual garbage you are or may be you snort TM all day? You have to use 1000 words whereas I just need one sentence, how's that for brevity. I'm not here to indulge your whore(intellect) - you are already too fascinated with it. Tough luck pal.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dixon Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 2:53 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House Robert, I can't admit to anything, I'm not involved. But from my perspective, this birther stuff is well deserved pay back and BHO's own grandmother claimed he was born right there in Kenya. No she didn’t. That was just a lie Trump made up or parroted. http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/07/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-president-obamas-grandmother-cau/ Democrats tried to make an issue of McCain being born in the Panama Canal zone, claiming he wasn't a legal citizen and not qualified to be president. That’s the first time I heard that one. Sensible people realize that his dad was in the military and the Panama Canal Zone was a US territory at the time. Birthers are not sensible. Those who live by the sword shall parish by the sword or what's good for the goose , is good for the gander. Democratic chickens are coming home to roost, as the Rev.Jeremiah Wright would say. Democrats are not the ones suffering here. Birthers are making the Republican party look like a bunch of loonies.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Vedic Science
Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote (or copied) : ...These Unified Field[s?] are the fountainhead of Natural Law, since all the Laws of Nature expressed in the effective field theories governing Physics at larger distance scales are already contained in seed form in the original super-symmetric Lagrangian of the Unified Field... It is striking how the properties of the Unified Field are precisely the attributes of consciousness. Consciousness alone is fully self-referral, since only consciousness has the ability to know itself in a completely self-sufficient manner. Moreover, consciousness in its self-referral state, Transcendental Consciousness, is the source of all mental activity and therefore a field of pure intelligence and infinite creative dynamism. As no unified field theory of all the currently known forces of nature has successfully been constructed, let alone verified, how can we know that the properties of this unfinished business are the attributes of consciousness? Since the fundamental properties of the Unified Field are identical to those of consciousness in its self-referral state, it is natural to conclude that the Unified Field of Natural Law and the field of pure consciousness are equivalent. Well, if one is really sloppy with logic and loose with facts one could come to this conclusion. For one thing, while we assume everyone (humans at any rate) is conscious, based on an inference from our individual experience, how do we conclude on the basis of our experience that consciousness (without reference to physics) is a field? Maybe it is like a projector lamp in a movie projector, which is definitely not a field, but like an ordinary light bulb, that has a definite location in space, and is not infinite in extent. In other words, how can we differentiate between the idea that consciousness is a non-local field of infinite or unbounded extent and the idea consciousness as an emergent property of matter (which seems to be the way most neuroscientists seem to view the subject); that consciousness emerges from non-conscious processes of the laws of nature, and are localized in the brain? ...This is easily verified through meditation, which opens human awareness to the direct experience of a transcendental consciousness, pure consciousness, where consciousness is found identified with the Unified Field of all the Laws of Nature. During meditation all the subjective and objective qualities of creation are seen to emerge from the field of pure consciousness as modes of one's own self-referral intelligence. This language is interesting, but say one is in a dark room and turns on the light, or turns it on slowly with a rheostat, allowing everything in the room to gradually seem to emerge from darkness; but in this case we cannot say it really emerges from the light, for the light just made what was already there in the room visible to the eye. What is the character of experience, if such an experience exists or can be described, that distinguishes 'emergence' from simply noticing that which was already there? If 'what is already there' is just becoming noticed, rather than emerging, how can we say that the unified field, if it exists, is the same as consciousness, since it would appear that consciousness is a subset, a property of material existence, and if there is a unified field underlying that, then consciousness would be a subset function of that field, not the totality of the field. Epistemological-ly, the spiritual practice of meditation unites the knowledge of Natural Law discovered by the objective approach of modern science with a direct experience of Natural Law provided by the subjective approach of meditation practices. It integrates the knowledge of the Unified Field brought to light by Quantum Physics with the subjective experience of the Unified Field gained through meditation. This integrated approach to knowledge enlivens the Unified Field in the awareness of the individual, My observation is that meditators, other than dedicated physicists in a rather restricted field, do not seem to be able to understand unified physics any better as a result of meditation. I have been meditating for a reasonably long time and I was just looking at the Wikipedia article on Lagrangian. I could not understand most of it at all. Different systems can have a Lagrangian, which is described as 'a function that summarizes the dynamics of the system'. No unified field Lagrangian was discussed in this article, but the Dirac Lagrangian, the quantum electrodynamic Lagrangian, and the quantum chromodynamic Lagrangian were mentioned. How does one equate these equations with consciousness in a meaningful way rather than by verbal slight of mind saying they must somehow be the same? Quantum Chromodynamic Lagrangian: [Lagrangian of the quantum chromodynamic field [from Wikipedia.org]] So far, the quantum electrodynamic field and the quantum chromodynamic field are the only seemingly
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Truth needs no acknowledgement, whereas lies have to be repeated over and over again 'cause so much has been invested in it :-). People who indulge mindlessly need constant reassurance, approval and acknowledgement - been there and done that. The only person I looked to for acknowledgment last year was my beloved mother Ammachi but she was so compassionate and refused to play along, sure enough it hit me later that it was the game of the ego and I got suckered by it temporarily. My beloved demands so much of my time, I'm in constant orgy with her. So one who is full of love finds little use of words, it's only for one who wants to constant deceive himself. You may fool yourself, but it's obvious to me you are not getting any from your beloved :-) My behavior might come across as trollish, but I would say it's more divine mother gangsterish, I have clarified that several times in the past - no one has to buy it. It's my indulgence, the indulgence of a satiated lover. You post more than I do here Ravi so I don't know what you are talking about with the lies have to be repeated over and over and you have little use for words pitch. Obviously you feel the same desire to express yourself here as I do. And for using spiritual terms as an excuse for rude behavior... I can't think of a greater disservice to the ideas you claim to value. You represent the worst use of spiritual ideas, as an excuse to act out your rude drama on strangers. As far as being full of love, I believe it is you who is fooling himself. You come across here as one of the least compassionate loving people in the group. The subtext is that because you have a special state of mind, you don't have to be considerate to others. All that beloved nonsense is just a smoke screen. But you have made some fans here, so party on with the Ravi is so much more whatever than anyone else routine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: So your beef with me is that I don't buy that you have a special relationship with the creator of the universe, right? The little routine that you are above the whore intellect isn't fooling anyone here either. Poor carpenter blames his tools. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Nice piece, Dude. Thanks, nice to hear from you Edg. Wow Curtis Edg - amazing discussion. Let me sum this up for others who might be too intellectually deceptuously challenged - in plain English the summary would be - my shit doesn't smell any better or worse than yours, but your shit stinks and mine's amazingly fragrant. So you were thinking that if you ran trollish behavior on a spiritual list it wouldn't be noticed and identified as trollish behavior? The troll routine is soo 1999 Ravi. It isn't new, and it isn't interesting. Jump into the deep end and discuss what you disagree with if you want to become more than a troll interloper here. Very funny Curtis, that you can't even see the pun shows how full of intellectual garbage you are or may be you snort TM all day? You have to use 1000 words whereas I just need one sentence, how's that for brevity. I'm not here to indulge your whore(intellect) - you are already too fascinated with it. Tough luck pal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
Vaj: Actually...GOD just smoteth a huge swath of the Bible Belt. It was actually a quantum fluctuation from Christian fundie stress being released... Some people will turn any tragedy, even the weather, into a political talking point, I guess. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Vedic Science
This was such an excellent post, I wish I could have written it. But I couldn't,and you did. High five and thanks for a great read! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote (or copied) : ...These Unified Field[s?] are the fountainhead of Natural Law, since all the Laws of Nature expressed in the effective field theories governing Physics at larger distance scales are already contained in seed form in the original super-symmetric Lagrangian of the Unified Field... It is striking how the properties of the Unified Field are precisely the attributes of consciousness. Consciousness alone is fully self-referral, since only consciousness has the ability to know itself in a completely self-sufficient manner. Moreover, consciousness in its self-referral state, Transcendental Consciousness, is the source of all mental activity and therefore a field of pure intelligence and infinite creative dynamism. As no unified field theory of all the currently known forces of nature has successfully been constructed, let alone verified, how can we know that the properties of this unfinished business are the attributes of consciousness? Since the fundamental properties of the Unified Field are identical to those of consciousness in its self-referral state, it is natural to conclude that the Unified Field of Natural Law and the field of pure consciousness are equivalent. Well, if one is really sloppy with logic and loose with facts one could come to this conclusion. For one thing, while we assume everyone (humans at any rate) is conscious, based on an inference from our individual experience, how do we conclude on the basis of our experience that consciousness (without reference to physics) is a field? Maybe it is like a projector lamp in a movie projector, which is definitely not a field, but like an ordinary light bulb, that has a definite location in space, and is not infinite in extent. In other words, how can we differentiate between the idea that consciousness is a non-local field of infinite or unbounded extent and the idea consciousness as an emergent property of matter (which seems to be the way most neuroscientists seem to view the subject); that consciousness emerges from non-conscious processes of the laws of nature, and are localized in the brain? ...This is easily verified through meditation, which opens human awareness to the direct experience of a transcendental consciousness, pure consciousness, where consciousness is found identified with the Unified Field of all the Laws of Nature. During meditation all the subjective and objective qualities of creation are seen to emerge from the field of pure consciousness as modes of one's own self-referral intelligence. This language is interesting, but say one is in a dark room and turns on the light, or turns it on slowly with a rheostat, allowing everything in the room to gradually seem to emerge from darkness; but in this case we cannot say it really emerges from the light, for the light just made what was already there in the room visible to the eye. What is the character of experience, if such an experience exists or can be described, that distinguishes 'emergence' from simply noticing that which was already there? If 'what is already there' is just becoming noticed, rather than emerging, how can we say that the unified field, if it exists, is the same as consciousness, since it would appear that consciousness is a subset, a property of material existence, and if there is a unified field underlying that, then consciousness would be a subset function of that field, not the totality of the field. Epistemological-ly, the spiritual practice of meditation unites the knowledge of Natural Law discovered by the objective approach of modern science with a direct experience of Natural Law provided by the subjective approach of meditation practices. It integrates the knowledge of the Unified Field brought to light by Quantum Physics with the subjective experience of the Unified Field gained through meditation. This integrated approach to knowledge enlivens the Unified Field in the awareness of the individual, My observation is that meditators, other than dedicated physicists in a rather restricted field, do not seem to be able to understand unified physics any better as a result of meditation. I have been meditating for a reasonably long time and I was just looking at the Wikipedia article on Lagrangian. I could not understand most of it at all. Different systems can have a Lagrangian, which is described as 'a function that summarizes the dynamics of the system'. No unified field Lagrangian was discussed in this article, but the Dirac Lagrangian, the quantum electrodynamic Lagrangian, and the quantum chromodynamic Lagrangian were mentioned. How does one equate these equations with
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
Actually...GOD just smoteth a huge swath of the Bible Belt. It was actually a quantum fluctuation from Christian fundie stress being released... do.rflex: Birther confronts Obama... Don't you just love the Obama apologists going absolutely POSTAL screaming how much they don't care about Obama's birth certificate!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Robert, I can't admit to anything, I'm not involved. But from my perspective, this birther stuff is well deserved pay back and BHO's own grandmother claimed he was born right there in Kenya. No, Obama's grandmother didn't say he was born in Kenya Another one of the birther myths hits the mainstream, courtesy of G. Gordon Liddy's appearance on MSNBC http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2009/07/23/liddy/index.html?source=rssaim=/politics/war_room http://alturl.com/ppsc5 Democrats tried to make an issue of McCain being born in the Panama Canal zone, claiming he wasn't a legal citizen and not qualified to be president. Those who live by the sword shall parish by the sword or what's good for the goose , is good for the gander. Democratic chickens are coming home to roost, as the Rev.Jeremiah Wright would say. From: Robert babajii_99@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 7:11:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: Robert, pay back's a bitch, aint it? Remember 9/11 Truthers and Dan Rather's false documents? And the beat goes on (snip) So, you admit that this is all just 'Bull', And it's just some sort of payback? So, let me get this straight... If we somehow think that President Obama is not really the President, then we can somehow also forget... That George W. Bush was President...?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The thing about Blissnazis is that they don't know what they are
So, do you have any new points to post? If so, you forgot to post them. How many times have we read this from you - twenty times this year? Why not post something new for a change? Fer chrissakes, get off this 'blisninny' rap! You are boring, Turq. turquoiseb: I've gotten used to the Blissnazis here at FFL, those who are so stuck in one point of view that they feel the need to try to impose it on others, and get them to admit that they are wrong and only the Blissnazi is right. My approach to dealing with such people is to try to ignore their silly asses, treat them as the perpetual adolescents they are, and focus on more fun conversations. Recently I got to see this same dynamic on another forum. A former Rama student started a private chat group on Facebook to discuss him and what it was like to study with him, and because no other such forums exist any more, it attracted quite a few students eager to reconnect and pass some pleasant moments engaging in This is what I've been up to since we last met...how about you? conversations. No sooner did these kinds of conversations start than the Blissnazi in question started barging in and demonizing anyone who said anything other than the Rama Party Line. She went out of her way to portray them as stupid, or having not had the exalted experiences with Rama that she did, or not understanding the Truth about him, or being just plain malevolent and trying to spoil things for those who know the 'Truth.' Suffice it to say I bailed after a few days. To their credit, so have most of the other former students who first signed on to the forum. They are, for the most part, people who are comfortable with their *own* interpretations of the time they spent with the guy, and perceive anyone trying to tell them that these impressions are wrong as the elitist insult it is. My suspicion is that within a few weeks the forum will be down from a high of 120+ members to less than a dozen, the ones who agree with the Blissnazi's POV being the only ones left. And the thing is, the Blissnazi believes that all of these people bailing after she insults them and tells them they are wrong and only she is right are the ones who have a problem. She's caught in that narcissistic dream in which any opinion that differs from hers has to be perceived as an invitation to a duel. And this duel has to be WON. Most of the people she ran her Blissnazi number on got it immediately, and bailed. With those who didn't, she started deleting their posts if they didn't toe the Party Line, and if it happened more than once she deleted them from the forum. She sees nothing wrong with this. Doesn't it remind you of a few here on Fairfield Life? I happen to know that the Rama Blissninny is fairly young, and has spent her entire life in cults of one kind or another. She is *used* to being told what to think, and when Rama killed himself, she stepped into that role her- self. Or tried to. To give you an example of the kind of rigid thinking we are talking about, one of the things she went ballistic about was someone -- not me -- using the phrase when Rama killed himself in a post. She suggested -- fairly strongly, since she had by then estab- lished a track record of tossing out anyone who disagreed with her -- that all future references to his death be what they really were, his Mahasamadhi. Life is just too short to deal with this kind of head-in-the-sand idiocy, so I bailed, and so did many others. WHY do so-called spiritual seekers act this way? What is IN IT FOR THEM that they persist in such adolescent behavior? From my point of view the inability to deal with other points of vew is not faith or honoring the teacher, it's the ultimate sign of insecurity. The kinds of posters I like the most on FFL are the ones who merely present their opinions, and graciously allow others to have their own opinions. Curtis is like this, and Joe and, I hope, myself. I really don't feel any need to argue about something as unimportant as an OPINION, and I have a hard time understanding the mind of anyone who does. I *certainly* don't feel any need to play their game and let them suck me into some elongated argument about whose OPINION is more right or wrong. That's the stuff of birtherism. Here on FFL we even have our own version of it. Whenever a former TM teacher who has moved on to POVs other than Maharishi's says something that the Blissnazis don't like, the cry goes up, He never really learned TM, or its variant, He never learned TM 'correctly,' the way *I* did. This kind of behavior -- trying to demonize or perform character assassination on someone just because their opinion differs from your own -- is an EMBARRASSMENT to the whole notion of spiritual development. It's sad enough when one sees it in a young person who has never known any other environment than a dogmatic cult. To see it in
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes
curtisdeltablues: In retrospect some of my replies to Doug might fall into the trollish category. Yep! I just think he was full of it and that his premises about reality are bogus. - Curtis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/274662
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
do.rflex: No, Obama's grandmother didn't say he was born in Kenya So, when did Obama get the name 'Hussien' as a middle name, at birth, or from a relative in Hawaii? LoL! Don't got postal, John, just answer the question.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
This has little to do with where President Obama was born...And much to do with unadulterated racism... Plain and simple. Rick Archer: It's ALWAYS been about having a black man as President, So, for you it is a race question, not a birth question? The birth certificate says Obama is an 'African'. What race is that? LoL! At a magnification level of 400%, there is a distinct area of pure white with no pattern directly adjacent to, and surrounding each and every typed character (halos). This same no-pattern area of pure white is adjacent to, and surrounds all of the script handwriting on the document (more halos). The security background pattern would be continuous and merge with the edge lines of the typed characters and the handwritten lines. The typed characters and the handwriting were layered in on the background of a different document. The metadata for the file states it was created with MAC OSX 10.6.7. They failed to merge and blend the document security pattern into the layered typed characters and handwriting when they were placed upon the background layer. Mechanical typewriters of that era have a distinct vertical alignment issue which causes capital letters to be aligned above the level of the small letters, and if the same letter is struck consecutively as a capital and then a small letter, the small letter then shows a tendency to be placed slightly above the level of the other small letters subsequently typed after the two same letters. There are gross inconsistencies with certain letters being out of vertical alignment at random places in several words, i.e. a in African, the second o in Honolulu, Hawaii. Not being a handwriting expert, the similarity in the handwritten dates of 8-7-61 and 8-8-61 are far too uncanny to be a coincidence. The dashes in both dates slant upward to the right, and the 61 looks identical in both dates. Both dates slant identically to the right at almost an identical angle. These two dates were supposedly written by two completely different hands, as the signatures show, on different days. If this is a 50-year old document, where is: natural discoloration of the paper; the natural migration of the handwriting ink; wear of the background security pattern from handling; and usual edge wear on a fifty-year old paper document? http://tinyurl.com/3q7pclc
[FairfieldLife] Fight of the Century: Keynes vs. Hayek
http://youtu.be/GTQnarzmTOc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: curtisdeltablues: In retrospect some of my replies to Doug might fall into the trollish category. Yep! I just think he was full of it and that his premises about reality are bogus. - Curtis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/274662 That phrase refers to my opinion of Shankara. So this was a misleading example and not anywhere near being trollish. I'm pretty sure you aren't the best one to pile on concerning trollish posts Richard.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Vedic Science
Veda Bhumi, Deva Bhumi, Purna Bhumi Bharat Developments in modern science, in particular in Quantum Physics, have opened new perspectives for a unified understanding of Nature. This process of unification culminates in a complete unification at the level of the Planck scale (l0-33 cm) where all the various force and matter fields are unified into one single Unified Field of Natural Law -- the holistic transcendental field underlying all manifest creation. Historically, the analysis of the microscopic structure of matter began with the idea that all substances are composed of tiny particles, like atoms and their subatomic constituents. With the development of Quantum Theory, however, physicists soon had to conclude that the classical particle picture is quite inadequate for the description of these constituents of matter, and realised that the different elementary particles have to be conceived as specific resonant excitations of fundamental quantum fields. Prior to the development of Unified Field Theories scientists had discovered a variety of separate quantum fields, such as the four force fields (of the electromagnetic, the weak, the strong, and the gravitational interactions) as well as the various matter fields. In the last few decades it was realised that with the progression towards finer distance scales an increasing unification of the Laws of Nature takes place so that previously separate quantum fields turn out to be merely different components of underlying unified quantum fields. These developments in modern science, in particular in Quantum Physics, have opened new perspectives for a unified understanding of Nature. These Unified Field are the fountainhead of Natural Law, since all the Laws of Nature expressed in the effective field theories governing Physics at larger distance scales are already contained in seed form in the original super-symmetric Lagrangian of the Unified Field. Since it is the fountainhead of Natural Law, this Unified Field represents the most concentrated field of intelligence in Nature. Fundamental properties of the Unified Field evidently include the property of self-referral or self-interaction, which is reflected in the Lagrangian or fundamental mathematical formula quantifying the Laws of Nature at the level of the Unified Field. It is striking how the properties of the Unified Field are precisely the attributes of consciousness. Consciousness alone is fully self-referral, since only consciousness has the ability to know itself in a completely self-sufficient manner. Moreover, consciousness in its self-referral state, Transcendental Consciousness, is the source of all mental activity and therefore a field of pure intelligence and infinite creative dynamism. Since the fundamental properties of the Unified Field are identical to those of consciousness in its self-referral state, it is natural to conclude that the Unified Field of Natural Law and the field of pure consciousness are equivalent. Equivalent. This is easily verified through meditation, which opens human awareness to the direct experience of a transcendental consciousness, pure consciousness, where consciousness is found identified with the Unified Field of all the Laws of Nature. During meditation all the subjective and objective qualities of creation are seen to emerge from the field of pure consciousness as modes of one's own self-referral intelligence. In meditation, consciousness is found identified with the Unified Field of all the Laws of Nature. During meditation all the subjective and objective qualities of creation are seen to emerge from the field of pure consciousness as modes of one's own self-referral intelligence. Epistemological-ly, the spiritual practice of meditation unites the knowledge of Natural Law discovered by the objective approach of modern science with a direct experience of Natural Law provided by the subjective approach of meditation practices. It integrates the knowledge of the Unified Field brought to light by Quantum Physics with the subjective experience of the Unified Field gained through meditation. This integrated approach to knowledge enlivens the Unified Field in the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandit-Projekt/ update.
It is interesting to see who the principle people are inside with this memo. It's been nearly three years since they took the reins of TM from Maharishi. Going forward, is anything really being done differently or is it just business as usual? How is it going? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: 2011/4/18 merlin vedamerlin@ *Pandit-Projekt* Wonder why the TMO felt it necessary to include this part? Yep, to the eye the interesting thing is that this is in Bevan Morris's hand. *Transparency of the money flow* Time and again we are - even in the conference and then - asked about the accountability and transparency of the money flow. There are those of Maharishi personally selected and used Rajas and Ministers: Bevan Morris, John Hagelin, Benny Feldman, Harris Kaplan and Steven Rubin. See also http://www.vedicpandits.org They form the Executive Board of the BST, including the BST-Europe in Holland, whose account we recommend. Raja Harris, whose response we will add that very clear: The account of the Brahmananda Saraswati Trust has five executive board members, myself Dr. Bevan Morris, Raja Hagelin, Raja Steven, and Dr. Feldman. The financial reports of this Trust are approved by this executive board and indeed by the full board of all the Rajas and Ministers. In addition to these above, so there is supervision by Rik Jung and Kees van den Bremer. Raja Harris is regularly during the winter months (October to March) in India, the Brahma Than, works closely with Dr. Girish Chandra Varma, who is in India, the responsible leader of Maharishi personally called to - and thus monitors the progress as one can see also from his newsletters. We all have confidence in Maharishi. When we apply this simple confidence in his stewards. Jeez, this is a real interesting memo. Going forward, is their's a problem that they just can't show their financial statements? You know, income statement, expenses, balance sheet, cash statement? Different from publicly filing some tax forms forms where it can all appear legal in the sense of a tax form but not tell much about how well something is going. Is there something wrong inside that they just can't show their financials publicly on a web page, somewhere? JGD, -Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Mahadhammarakkhita
Greek proselytizing venture into Sri Lanka, 2nd-century BCE; 30,000 monks led by Mahadhammarakkhita. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahadharmaraksita Bonus topics: troll spray http://www.homotron.net/images/homotron/258Troll_spray.jpg -- Bliss ninny: http://www.wormholeriders.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/V-ABC-Anna-011-576x324.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes
Curtis: That phrase refers to my opinion of Shankara. But, the thread was about Patanjali. You said Patanjali was 'full of it' and his premises are 'bogus'. Why would you be telling Buck that Patanjali was bogus if you wanted to dialog with Buck about Yoga? It doesn't make any sense. Fraqnkly, I expected more from a MUM philosophy major. I mean what, exactly, are Patanjali's premises? You seemed confused that Sankhya was the oldest Indian system and you didn't seem to be able to cite any specifics about Patanjali. Buck: O what a bunch of evil sophistry. This thread reads as careful veiled spiritual hate. The beating of poor old Patanjali by mob. turquoiseb: One guy, having fun with an imaginary conversation with a possibly imaginary guy, is a *mob*? And you dare to use the word sophistry? :-) Buck: Yep, inciting and intending to be incendiary. Oh sure it is in mob and violent. You come on here demagogically saying something is no good because you don't like it. Curtis joins in. Joe and SevenRay pile on and we got a regular FFL book and Patanjali-in-effigy strawman burning by mob. curtis: I just think he was full of it and that his premises about reality are bogus... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/274662
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes
Let's try it again - enlightenment is not a three some, so I don't need anyone's acknowledgement or participation while I'm having sex with my beloved :-) and I'm saying end the fascination with the whore (intellect) and chose the blissful orgasm with the beloved. It may sound routine and trollish to you but it's no worse than than your rote of intellectual deception. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: So your beef with me is that I don't buy that you have a special relationship with the creator of the universe, right? The little routine that you are above the whore intellect isn't fooling anyone here either. Poor carpenter blames his tools. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Nice piece, Dude. Thanks, nice to hear from you Edg. Wow Curtis Edg - amazing discussion. Let me sum this up for others who might be too intellectually deceptuously challenged - in plain English the summary would be - my shit doesn't smell any better or worse than yours, but your shit stinks and mine's amazingly fragrant. So you were thinking that if you ran trollish behavior on a spiritual list it wouldn't be noticed and identified as trollish behavior? The troll routine is soo 1999 Ravi. It isn't new, and it isn't interesting. Jump into the deep end and discuss what you disagree with if you want to become more than a troll interloper here. Very funny Curtis, that you can't even see the pun shows how full of intellectual garbage you are or may be you snort TM all day? You have to use 1000 words whereas I just need one sentence, how's that for brevity. I'm not here to indulge your whore(intellect) - you are already too fascinated with it. Tough luck pal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Birthers *still* don't believe Obama
do.rflex: Birthers *still* don't believe Obama Are there any 'birthers' on this forum? Don't go postal, John, it's over. Stop trying to sidetrack everyone with your nonsense-prattle and silly political cartoons. Face it: your political leaders are stupid, really stupid people. Obama could have released his birth certificate years ago. It was stupid, really stupid of Obama to pull this prank. But, that is beside the point - Obama cannot win the war; he cannot bring the economy back; he cannot get the U.S. out of debt; and he cannot create jobs. Obama - you're fired! 'Our leaders are stupid, they are stupid people' Los Angeles Times April 29, 2011 http://tinyurl.com/3uywubv
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandit-Projekt/ update.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Pall Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 11:58 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Pandit-Projekt/ update. This is a critical line: We all have confidence in Maharishi. When we apply this simple confidence in his stewards. Yep, fidelity and fealty. News headlines recently are a lot about Syria, Bahrain, Egypt, and autocrats and totalitarians . How they have ruled viciously through intimidating threat and violence. I had to make a driving trip the last few days and listened to radio commentary along the way to current affairs. Yep, and how much the autocrats in their end sound like the lines of this memo of Bevan's. JGD, -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: You post more than I do here Ravi so I don't know what you are talking about with the lies have to be repeated over and over and you have little use for words pitch. Obviously you feel the same desire to express yourself here as I do. And for using spiritual terms as an excuse for rude behavior... I can't think of a greater disservice to the ideas you claim to value. You represent the worst use of spiritual ideas, as an excuse to act out your rude drama on strangers. I think you have taken offense at my word lies - lies as in accidental, the relative reality, the samsaara. So the number of posts is irrelevant here, is the focus on accidental or essential is the key. I find your and others deception equally rude and downright offensive. As far as being full of love, I believe it is you who is fooling himself. You come across here as one of the least compassionate loving people in the group. The subtext is that because you have a special state of mind, you don't have to be considerate to others. All that beloved nonsense is just a smoke screen. That's your opinion and feel free to wallow in it. From my perspective I see people in this indulging their whores (intellect) and insulting my beloved and I have to respond accordingly. May be you don't see it as love and compassion but your ideas of what love and compassion seems bullshit to me, compassion doesn't mean acting kind and nice in all situations - that shows an insecure person who wants others approval, I have no such pretenses. But you have made some fans here, so party on with the Ravi is so much more whatever than anyone else routine. I am always having a party with my beloved, I don't need any fans. You can keep them they are all very impressed with the magic and charm you weave with your words. Not everyone has an ability to cut through crap.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Vedic Science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: This was such an excellent post, I wish I could have written it. But I couldn't,and you did. High five and thanks for a great read! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: As no unified field theory of all the currently known forces of nature has successfully been constructed, let alone verified, how can we know that the properties of this unfinished business are the attributes of consciousness? Just reminds me of an updated version of fuzzy wuzzy was a bear
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Vedic Science
Veda Bhumi, Deva Bhumi, Purna Bhumi Bharat Developments in modern science, in particular in Quantum Physics, have opened new perspectives for a unified understanding of Nature. This process of unification culminates in a complete unification at the level of the Planck scale (l0-33 cm) where all the various force and matter fields are unified into one single Unified Field of Natural Law -- the holistic transcendental field underlying all manifest creation. Historically, the analysis of the microscopic structure of matter began with the idea that all substances are composed of tiny particles, like atoms and their subatomic constituents. With the development of Quantum Theory, however, physicists soon had to conclude that the classical particle picture is quite inadequate for the description of these constituents of matter, and realised that the different elementary particles have to be conceived as specific resonant excitations of fundamental quantum fields. Prior to the development of Unified Field Theories scientists had discovered a variety of separate quantum fields, such as the four force fields (of the electromagnetic, the weak, the strong, and the gravitational interactions) as well as the various matter fields. In the last few decades it was realised that with the progression towards finer distance scales an increasing unification of the Laws of Nature takes place so that previously separate quantum fields turn out to be merely different components of underlying unified quantum fields. These developments in modern science, in particular in Quantum Physics, have opened new perspectives for a unified understanding of Nature. These Unified Field are the fountainhead of Natural Law, since all the Laws of Nature expressed in the effective field theories governing Physics at larger distance scales are already contained in seed form in the original super-symmetric Lagrangian of the Unified Field. Since it is the fountainhead of Natural Law, this Unified Field represents the most concentrated field of intelligence in Nature. Fundamental properties of the Unified Field evidently include the property of self-referral or self-interaction, which is reflected in the Lagrangian or fundamental mathematical formula quantifying the Laws of Nature at the level of the Unified Field. It is striking how the properties of the Unified Field are precisely the attributes of consciousness. Consciousness alone is fully self-referral, since only consciousness has the ability to know itself in a completely self-sufficient manner. Moreover, consciousness in its self-referral state, Transcendental Consciousness, is the source of all mental activity and therefore a field of pure intelligence and infinite creative dynamism. Since the fundamental properties of the Unified Field are identical to those of consciousness in its self-referral state, it is natural to conclude that the Unified Field of Natural Law and the field of pure consciousness are equivalent. Equivalent. This is easily verified through meditation, which opens human awareness to the direct experience of a transcendental consciousness, pure consciousness, where consciousness is found identified with the Unified Field of all the Laws of Nature. During meditation all the subjective and objective qualities of creation are seen to emerge from the field of pure consciousness as modes of one's own self-referral intelligence. In meditation, consciousness is found identified with the Unified Field of all the Laws of Nature. During meditation all the subjective and objective qualities of creation are seen to emerge from the field of pure consciousness as modes of one's own self-referral intelligence. Epistemological-ly, the spiritual practice of meditation unites the knowledge of Natural Law discovered by the objective approach of modern science with a direct experience of Natural Law provided by the subjective approach of meditation practices. It integrates the knowledge of the Unified Field brought to light by Quantum Physics with the subjective
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: Yes you are right I meant Patanjali. Curtis: That phrase refers to my opinion of Shankara. But, the thread was about Patanjali. You said Patanjali was 'full of it' and his premises are 'bogus'. Why would you be telling Buck that Patanjali was bogus if you wanted to dialog with Buck about Yoga? It doesn't make any sense. Fraqnkly, I expected more from a MUM philosophy major. I mean what, exactly, are Patanjali's premises? You seemed confused that Sankhya was the oldest Indian system and you didn't seem to be able to cite any specifics about Patanjali. Buck: O what a bunch of evil sophistry. This thread reads as careful veiled spiritual hate. The beating of poor old Patanjali by mob. turquoiseb: One guy, having fun with an imaginary conversation with a possibly imaginary guy, is a *mob*? And you dare to use the word sophistry? :-) Buck: Yep, inciting and intending to be incendiary. Oh sure it is in mob and violent. You come on here demagogically saying something is no good because you don't like it. Curtis joins in. Joe and SevenRay pile on and we got a regular FFL book and Patanjali-in-effigy strawman burning by mob. curtis: I just think he was full of it and that his premises about reality are bogus... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/274662
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
The quote below doesn't come from either of these two URLs. It's silly to deny it. Anyone can go check for themselves. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: authfriend: No, they aren't (as I just said). THIS ONE IS FROM MARKET-TICKER: 'You've GOT To Be Kidding Me' http://market-ticker.org/post=185094 THIS ONE IS FROM THE CORNER: 'PDF Layers in Obama's Birth Certificate' http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding But, you already knew that! I've scanned a lot of images. What you scan is what you see. What I haven't seen when I've scanned something is where they show letters cut off such as what looks like a 5 on the left hand side where it bends down. Also, the dashed green lines on the background go straight across, and the black lines of the form curve down. It they scanned the black lines only, then why transpose onto green lined paper, why not just show the scanned document on whatever was the original paper as I always do when I scan a document. This doesn't pass the smell test. Either this is a forgery on green paper, or they are hiding something on that left side that was cropped off. Why can't we just get a scanned copy of the original birth certificate, showing every notation on margins, every smudge, everything? Frankly, until today I was thinking this birther thing was much ado about nothing, but after seeing this document I now have many suspicions about Obama's birth... http://tinyurl.com/3kz7clp Interesting that what Willytex quotes isn't from either of the Web pages he gives URLs for... The quotes are from: 'You've GOT To Be Kidding Me!' http://market-ticker.org/post=185094 and 'The Corner' http://tinyurl.com/3kz7clp That this document has been cropped and altered by an idiot who thought he knew how to scan a birth certificate using Adobe Acrobat? At the least this was a scanned document produced by a moron who thought he knew PhotoShop. You've GOT To Be Kidding Me! http://market-ticker.org/post=185094 I've scanned a lot of images. What you scan is what you see. What I haven't seen when I've scanned something is where they show letters cut off such as what looks like a 5 on the left hand side where it bends down. Also, the dashed green lines on the background go straight across, and the black lines of the form curve down. It they scanned the black lines only, then why transpose onto green lined paper, why not just show the scanned document on whatever was the original paper as I always do when I scan a document. This doesn't pass the smell test. Either this is a forgery on green paper, or they are hiding something on that left side that was cropped off. Why can't we just get a scanned copy of the original birth certificate, showing every notation on margins, every smudge, everything? Frankly, until today I was thinking this birther thing was much ado about nothing, but after seeing this document I now have many suspicions about Obama's birth... http://tinyurl.com/3kz7clp
[FairfieldLife] panorama of Portland
Subject: Fw: panorama of Portland 1923 http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49565.jpg Bonus: troll at computer http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KOBfqyZBB4s/TNjJxTOYsDI/BOU/yI4OL8h-hiw/s1600/forum_trolls.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
The quote below isn't from the URL Willytex gives either. Apparently he's just making stuff up, putting it in quotes, and then adding the URL to any old page about the birth certificate to make it appear that what he wrote comes from a credible source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: This has little to do with where President Obama was born...And much to do with unadulterated racism... Plain and simple. Rick Archer: It's ALWAYS been about having a black man as President, So, for you it is a race question, not a birth question? The birth certificate says Obama is an 'African'. What race is that? LoL! At a magnification level of 400%, there is a distinct area of pure white with no pattern directly adjacent to, and surrounding each and every typed character (halos). This same no-pattern area of pure white is adjacent to, and surrounds all of the script handwriting on the document (more halos). The security background pattern would be continuous and merge with the edge lines of the typed characters and the handwritten lines. The typed characters and the handwriting were layered in on the background of a different document. The metadata for the file states it was created with MAC OSX 10.6.7. They failed to merge and blend the document security pattern into the layered typed characters and handwriting when they were placed upon the background layer. Mechanical typewriters of that era have a distinct vertical alignment issue which causes capital letters to be aligned above the level of the small letters, and if the same letter is struck consecutively as a capital and then a small letter, the small letter then shows a tendency to be placed slightly above the level of the other small letters subsequently typed after the two same letters. There are gross inconsistencies with certain letters being out of vertical alignment at random places in several words, i.e. a in African, the second o in Honolulu, Hawaii. Not being a handwriting expert, the similarity in the handwritten dates of 8-7-61 and 8-8-61 are far too uncanny to be a coincidence. The dashes in both dates slant upward to the right, and the 61 looks identical in both dates. Both dates slant identically to the right at almost an identical angle. These two dates were supposedly written by two completely different hands, as the signatures show, on different days. If this is a 50-year old document, where is: natural discoloration of the paper; the natural migration of the handwriting ink; wear of the background security pattern from handling; and usual edge wear on a fifty-year old paper document? http://tinyurl.com/3q7pclc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: This has little to do with where President Obama was born...And much to do with unadulterated racism... Plain and simple. Rick Archer: It's ALWAYS been about having a black man as President, So, for you it is a race question, not a birth question? The birth certificate says Obama is an 'African'. It says his father's race is African. Says nothing about his race.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fight of the Century: Keynes vs. Hayek
Thanks for posting. Really enjoyable --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: http://youtu.be/GTQnarzmTOc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: do.rflex: No, Obama's grandmother didn't say he was born in Kenya So, when did Obama get the name 'Hussien' as a middle name, at birth, or from a relative in Hawaii? LoL! It was his father's middle name (and it's spelled Hussein). He was named for his father. Don't got postal, John, just answer the question.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
Willy, I think you're having a meltdown. And if you don't mind me saying, you have been thoroughly waxed by the Judester. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: do.rflex: No, Obama's grandmother didn't say he was born in Kenya So, when did Obama get the name 'Hussien' as a middle name, at birth, or from a relative in Hawaii? LoL! It was his father's middle name (and it's spelled Hussein). He was named for his father. Don't got postal, John, just answer the question.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Wedding
The abbey choir there sang this during the wedding processional, Jerusalem. It was unbelievably beautiful. The text with some slight editing, the spiritual path: My Guru, my all, to heav'n is gone, He whom I fix my hopes upon; His track I see and I'll pursue The narrow way till Him I view. chorus: I'm on my journey home to the New Jerusalem, I'm on my journey home to the New Jerusalem, So fare ye well, so fare ye well, So fare ye well, I am going home. The way the holy prophets went, The road that leads from banishment, The King's highway of holiness I'll go for all His paths are peace. chorus This is the way I long have sought, And mourned because I found it not; My grief, a burden long has been, Because I was not saved from sin. chorus Then will I tell to sinners 'round What a dear Savior I have found; I'll point to Thy redeeming blood, And say, Behold, the way to God! chorus Lo! glad I come and Thou, blest Lamb, Shalt take me to Thee, whose I am; Nothing but sin have I to give, Nothing but love shall I receive. chorus It's beauty full this morning. The images, the sounds, the sermon, the vows, the hopes. May the full consciousness of the Unified Field rise to meet them all the rest of their days. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes
I guess the question I have Rav, is, are you going to stomp on every infraction you see? I liked Jim's challenge, if that's what you want to call it. It help get some clarification from Curtis and Ravi. And really Ravi, I like your perspective. But I just wonder if you are going to continue the full court press on what you view as transgressions against your beloved. (I promise I am not making fun of you, but I am chuckling a little inside). Or are you going to step back a little and gives others a little leeway in expressing their opinion, even if it strays far from what you see as as an honest POV. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Let's try it again - enlightenment is not a three some, so I don't need anyone's acknowledgement or participation while I'm having sex with my beloved :-) and I'm saying end the fascination with the whore (intellect) and chose the blissful orgasm with the beloved. It may sound routine and trollish to you but it's no worse than than your rote of intellectual deception. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: So your beef with me is that I don't buy that you have a special relationship with the creator of the universe, right? The little routine that you are above the whore intellect isn't fooling anyone here either. Poor carpenter blames his tools. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Nice piece, Dude. Thanks, nice to hear from you Edg. Wow Curtis Edg - amazing discussion. Let me sum this up for others who might be too intellectually deceptuously challenged - in plain English the summary would be - my shit doesn't smell any better or worse than yours, but your shit stinks and mine's amazingly fragrant. So you were thinking that if you ran trollish behavior on a spiritual list it wouldn't be noticed and identified as trollish behavior? The troll routine is soo 1999 Ravi. It isn't new, and it isn't interesting. Jump into the deep end and discuss what you disagree with if you want to become more than a troll interloper here. Very funny Curtis, that you can't even see the pun shows how full of intellectual garbage you are or may be you snort TM all day? You have to use 1000 words whereas I just need one sentence, how's that for brevity. I'm not here to indulge your whore(intellect) - you are already too fascinated with it. Tough luck pal.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Joe geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote: Which is why Trump immediately shifted his focus yesterday to questioning how Obama got into Columbia and Harvardwhy won't he show us his grades? It''s called the affirmative action quota system, practiced heavily by Columbia and Harvard. Make up past injustice by recruiting any minority who can sign the application. Also waive the fee on the application.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:48 PM, seventhray1 wrote: Willy, I think you're having a meltdown. And if you don't mind me saying, you have been thoroughly waxed by the Judester. Judy's doing waxings now? What a perfect career path for her!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
and what a perfect little buddhist you are Vaj - full of compassion and good wishes for us all! (not) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:48 PM, seventhray1 wrote: Willy, I think you're having a meltdown. And if you don't mind me saying, you have been thoroughly waxed by the Judester. Judy's doing waxings now? What a perfect career path for her!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:48 PM, seventhray1 wrote: Willy, I think you're having a meltdown. And if you don't mind me saying, you have been thoroughly waxed by the Judester. Judy's doing waxings now? What a perfect career path for her! She done tore Willy a new one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes
With Ravi, he is a bhakti, or so he appears, as he expresses his Eastern mind to the West that way. Let's face it, big difference (at least straddling the two worlds during my life so far, that is my impression). So when he talks about his particular imagery, it is singular. How can the heart hold anything but one? And Eastern expression often carries the full emotion of the heart so it is more substantial and provocative than a simple idea. I get it without thinking about it, because there is nothing to think about in the heart. Once it locks in, game over, only it needs the precision of the intellect to know which game it is playing. So Ravi's comments may appear a lot more emotional and dramatic than the drier western expression, though if you see them purely from the heart, they are often as sensible and full of knowledge as the well thought-out logic from the west. Which is not to say the two are mutually exclusive, however the differences in expression, particularly in spiritual terms, which have a lot of wiggle room to begin with anyway, can cause misinterpretations. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: I guess the question I have Rav, is, are you going to stomp on every infraction you see? I liked Jim's challenge, if that's what you want to call it. It help get some clarification from Curtis and Ravi. And really Ravi, I like your perspective. But I just wonder if you are going to continue the full court press on what you view as transgressions against your beloved. (I promise I am not making fun of you, but I am chuckling a little inside). Or are you going to step back a little and gives others a little leeway in expressing their opinion, even if it strays far from what you see as as an honest POV. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Let's try it again - enlightenment is not a three some, so I don't need anyone's acknowledgement or participation while I'm having sex with my beloved :-) and I'm saying end the fascination with the whore (intellect) and chose the blissful orgasm with the beloved. It may sound routine and trollish to you but it's no worse than than your rote of intellectual deception. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: So your beef with me is that I don't buy that you have a special relationship with the creator of the universe, right? The little routine that you are above the whore intellect isn't fooling anyone here either. Poor carpenter blames his tools. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Nice piece, Dude. Thanks, nice to hear from you Edg. Wow Curtis Edg - amazing discussion. Let me sum this up for others who might be too intellectually deceptuously challenged - in plain English the summary would be - my shit doesn't smell any better or worse than yours, but your shit stinks and mine's amazingly fragrant. So you were thinking that if you ran trollish behavior on a spiritual list it wouldn't be noticed and identified as trollish behavior? The troll routine is soo 1999 Ravi. It isn't new, and it isn't interesting. Jump into the deep end and discuss what you disagree with if you want to become more than a troll interloper here. Very funny Curtis, that you can't even see the pun shows how full of intellectual garbage you are or may be you snort TM all day? You have to use 1000 words whereas I just need one sentence, how's that for brevity. I'm not here to indulge your whore(intellect) - you are already too fascinated with it. Tough luck pal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama birth certificate issued by White House
http://misteemontanye.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/waxing.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:48 PM, seventhray1 wrote: Willy, I think you're having a meltdown. And if you don't mind me saying, you have been thoroughly waxed by the Judester. Judy's doing waxings now? What a perfect career path for her! She done tore Willy a new one.
[FairfieldLife] Al Capone leaving Court
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/6/50120.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mt. Athos featured on 60 Minutes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: With Ravi, he is a bhakti, or so he appears, as he expresses his Eastern mind to the West that way. Let's face it, big difference (at least straddling the two worlds during my life so far, that is my impression). So when he talks about his particular imagery, it is singular. How can the heart hold anything but one? And Eastern expression often carries the full emotion of the heart so it is more substantial and provocative than a simple idea. I admit. That imagery resonates with me. Expecially the sexual connotations. I get it without thinking about it, because there is nothing to think about in the heart. Once it locks in, game over, only it needs the precision of the intellect to know which game it is playing. So Ravi's comments may appear a lot more emotional and dramatic than the drier western expression, though if you see them purely from the heart, they are often as sensible and full of knowledge as the well thought-out logic from the west. Right. I get that as well. Which is not to say the two are mutually exclusive, however the differences in expression, particularly in spiritual terms, which have a lot of wiggle room to begin with anyway, can cause misinterpretations. It just doesn't leave much room for a discussion. But as you say, he gives no quarter when it comes to his beloved . But it is sort of the same retort time and time again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I guess the question I have Rav, is, are you going to stomp on every infraction you see? I liked Jim's challenge, if that's what you want to call it. It help get some clarification from Curtis and Ravi. And really Ravi, I like your perspective. But I just wonder if you are going to continue the full court press on what you view as transgressions against your beloved. (I promise I am not making fun of you, but I am chuckling a little inside). Or are you going to step back a little and gives others a little leeway in expressing their opinion, even if it strays far from what you see as as an honest POV. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Let's try it again - enlightenment is not a three some, so I don't need anyone's acknowledgement or participation while I'm having sex with my beloved :-) and I'm saying end the fascination with the whore (intellect) and chose the blissful orgasm with the beloved. It may sound routine and trollish to you but it's no worse than than your rote of intellectual deception. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: So your beef with me is that I don't buy that you have a special relationship with the creator of the universe, right? The little routine that you are above the whore intellect isn't fooling anyone here either. Poor carpenter blames his tools. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Nice piece, Dude. Thanks, nice to hear from you Edg. Wow Curtis Edg - amazing discussion. Let me sum this up for others who might be too intellectually deceptuously challenged - in plain English the summary would be - my shit doesn't smell any better or worse than yours, but your shit stinks and mine's amazingly fragrant. So you were thinking that if you ran trollish behavior on a spiritual list it wouldn't be noticed and identified as trollish behavior? The troll routine is soo 1999 Ravi. It isn't new, and it isn't interesting. Jump into the deep end and discuss what you disagree with if you want to become more than a troll interloper here. Very funny Curtis, that you can't even see the pun shows how full of intellectual garbage you are or may be you snort TM all day? You have to use 1000 words whereas I just need one sentence, how's that for brevity. I'm not here to indulge your whore(intellect) - you are already too fascinated with it. Tough luck pal.
[FairfieldLife] I just love these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J8oJ0oEN70
[FairfieldLife] Re: I just love these
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J8oJ0oEN70 He bowls OVERHAND!
[FairfieldLife] Nude Spiritual Awakening
Teacher arrested after nude 'spiritual awakening'13:30 AEST Sat Apr 30 2011 A US teacher arrested after he stripped naked and walked through a school told police he was in the midst of a sudden spiritual awakening. Harlan Porter, 31, from Morrow in the state of Georgia, was arrested on April 22 and charged with public indecency for his naked performance at BC Haynie Elementary School, the Smoking Gun reported. Police found Porter in the teacher's lounge after staff at the school called police at about 3.20pm local time when they saw him undress and walk through a school building. When questioned by police, he said he had reached a new level of enlightenment and he wanted people to be free now that his third eye was open, according to a police report. Porter had recently learned the school was not going to renew his contract, but said he wanted to continue teaching. He said he wanted to teach on a new level, with hands in the earth, gathering the essence and learning how to love one another and fully appreciate the spiritual realm, The Smoking Gun reported. Staff at the school said the 31-year-old was a vegan who avoided canned drinks, drugs and alcohol : though on the day of his arrest he was spotted drinking a coke and eating tacos. Officer Khari Reed also wrote in the report that Porter was diagnosed schizophrenic several years ago, though the school's principal told police there had never seen any strange behavior from the 31-year-old.
