[FairfieldLife] Re: Two Approaches To Spiritual Teaching - Theory vs. Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: IMplicit in MMY's theory of 7 states of consciousness is the fact that there's no end-point to growth, and therefore there's no such thing as the 7th state... authfriend: Plus which, as I've always understood it, the whole thing is a continuum anyway... This has been pointed out by MMY in his recording Seven States of Consciousness. Apparently Barry has never even heard any of MMY's public recordings. But, on this and other newsgroups all we can really quote with accuracy are MMY published writings and recordings. We should make a rule that only these sources can be quoted in order to prove MMY's position on aspects of the TM program. If it's published we can assume that is the official statement, not what some TM Teacher thinks they heard thirty years ago. Barry obviously has a very poor memory, so at least with Barry, almost anything he says could be a big mistake. From what I've heard, there are supposed to be no TMO tapes in the possession of individual TM Teachers - all belong to the TMO, unless somebody took a cassette tape recorder in to a lecture by MMY and recorded it on their own. Apparently I am the only respondent on this forum that owns copies of MMY's records, tapes, and books. Is that right? And, it seems that there are zero TM Teachers on FFL that are still in good standing with the TMO - all the others got kicked out of the TMO for one reason or another, just like Barry got kicked out. Correct me if I am mistaken about this. I'm in good standing. But I didn't take the rectification course so I can't initiate at this point. I also have hundreds of tapes and books. Tapes by Maharishi is freely available at vimeo and youtube. Many original tapes are available for a small cost at MUM. Whatever the Turqo writes one can basically forget, it's all distorted to fit his Buddhist view. His crusade, as many here mistakenly believes, is not against Judy but against Maharishi. When corrected by Judy in presenting falsehoods about Maharishi he turns his rage againsy her instead. He's like Sisophys, he won't get anywhere. Until he drops his hate and moves on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eternal relationship with God vs Merging with the Absolute
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: Like I said, if somebody (say any Krishna Bhaktis of various stripes - the Hare Krishna Guru, Swami Prakashanand, the fellow below...etc) claims Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, apart from Scriptures, what's the evidence? The Guru below appears to be more liberal than the Fundie Bhakti's since he's saying there's a certain legitimacy in accepting the impersonal Absolute in terms of Realization, along with Bhakti. Fine...even Ramana Maharshi was a devotee of Shiva and Ramakrishna was a devotee of Kali. ... However, under the cover of Absoluteness, he appears to be sneaking in a form of Godhead Personality worship; even though he's provided no evidence that Krishna is superior to YHVH or the Scientology God Xenu. Again, there's no evidence that one or the other of these gods is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. ... The Guru below is a Wolf in Sheep's clothing - trying to sneak in Hare Krishna Fundamentalism in to the field under the cover of Brahman Realization. It's a Trojan Horse. Don't fall for it. ... Either there is a Supreme Personality of the Godhead or there is not. But should any Entity make such a claim, I would spit in His face. Goddesses such as Kali and Durga are sugar and spice. The male gods: Krishna, YHVH, Ram,...appear to be self-worshipping abusers high on testosterone rather than Soma. Rick Archer even interviewed Igal Harmelin, why not another nobody ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Codependent Obsession, or How to end the Barry-Judy feud
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: My contention is that a reason for this is that Curtis is allowing the feud to resurface, and even *enabling* it to do so by allowing himself to be sucked in to Judy's gotta get Barry obsession. My contention is that Curtis -- as much as I like him -- is allowing himself to be a codependent enabler. I think you got an important thing wrong here. Although I don't want to get in the middle of the feud, I don't care if you guys keep it up. As I said, Curtis, a feud is only a feud if more than one person is participating in it. If only one is, it's clearly a one-sided obsession. What I wrote was not to you solely but to a number of people on this forum who have, in the past, said that they didn't like the feud mentality and that they wished it would stop. However, my impression was that almost every time the subject of Barry and how evil he is was interjected into a conver- sation that had previously had nothing to do with him, they couldn't resist chiming in, thus giving the person who interjected the irrelevant topic the opportunity to go on and on about it. Which was, in my opinion, the point of interjecting it. It seemed to me that some of these folks -- not intending to single you out -- didn't seem to perceive the pattern, the game that was being run on them. So I pointed it out. I shall now retire from the fray, and allow those who seem to somehow get off on the feud to talk amongst themselves, as that character on SNL used to say. If the But enough about this talk about philosophy...let's talk some more about what a bounder Barry is ploys continue, those who claim that they're not interested in the subject will have the opportunity to walk their talk. Or not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two Approaches To Spiritual Teaching - Theory vs. Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Most spiritual teachers do have the ability to do number two and a number here might argue they experienced number 2 or what is usually called darshan even with Maharishi. The guy did have some shakti after all. If some folks didn't experience maybe they hit him on a bad day or their nervous system was just too coarse to experience it. Ignoring the obvious humor bait of the number two references :-), I'd love to hear from those who feel that they experienced what I'm talking about with MMY. I never did. The occasional light buzz, or a feeling of upliftment maybe, but the full-blown experience of one of his 3 higher states of consciousness, never. IMO, what most people I've talked to experience as darshan is an occult buzz, not what I'm talking about at all. As you suggest, it could be that I just didn't groove with him and did with the other teachers I wrote about originally. Did you ever experience this (being able to experience a full-blown higher state of consciousness) while with Maharishi? With anyone else? Genuinely curious.
[FairfieldLife] Most racist and sexist political ad ever?
Welcome to the American political process. I'm sure glad that you people have to live with it and I don't. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/14/dccc-demands-gop-candidat_n_877146.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eternal relationship with God vs Merging with the Absolute
Dear yifuxero piece of shit - your nightmare is coming true the Hare Krishnas are coming after you, you can run or hide but they will surely make you Krishna's bitch. Say goodbye to all your stupid posts with links from Google images. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: Nope...I'm familiar with the tricks of these devious Krishna Bhaktis. They state outright (privately), that any tricks whatsoever are legitimate, as long as it results in somebody saying Krishna. Take a look at what he's doing pursuant to the previous efforts of the Hare Krishna Guru. ... The latter's pov was that Krishna was Superior to the impersonal Absolute, and that the impersonal Absolute was an emanation of Krishna. That message obviously will not be conducive toward converting the Impersonalists (i.e. non-dualists) such as Buddhists, Advaitins, Neo-Advaitins, and of course the whole fold of TMO and Maharishi-inspired Cosmology. We can broadly combine the various separate originations of non-dualism (mainly Buddhism and Saivite Hinduism); into what Wilber calls The Great Tradition. Adi Da called this world-view Advaitayana Buddhism. ... Now getting back to the Guru below, let's zero-in on a single statement that calls his bluff, exposing his hairy butt, revealing the Wolf; and a phoney attempt to trick the Impersonalists into worshipping Krishna: It's ... And then there is Bhagawan which is the Absolute with personal form That's it right there!. Let's go over this examining the key words. First, Bhagavan. By this he really means Krishna. It's obvious this deceiver is a Hare Krishna Vaishava Gaudiya Bhakti akin to the Hare Krisha Guruonly the latter was a white zebra with black stripes, and this Guru is black with white stripes. There both zebras.((but no offense to black or white...just the same old critter but differing stripes). ... OK, as stated a million times, there's no evidence that (even if there were a Bhagavan), that Krishna is THE Bhagavan, as opposed to (say) YHVH. Apart from Vaisnava Scriptures chiefly the Srimad Bhagavan, what's the evidence that Krishna is Bhagavan? ... In order to pull the wool of your eyes, he's simply replaced Supreme Personality of Godhead, with Bhagavan, and tricked you even more. ... Next, the sentence says ...which is the Absolute. Duuuhhheverything is the Absolute. A dirt clod = the Buddha. There is no Absolute above the Absolute. A dirt clod is equal in its Absoluteness to Krishna. Krishna is not more Absolute than dog crap. Dog = God backwards, same stuff. ... Next to Last, he says..Absolute with Personal Form. Again, this is pure Hare Krishna bullshit, only he's cleverly eliminated saying Supreme Personality of Godhead. Everything is Absolute with form, if it has form. But again, apart from Scriptures, no evidence, that Krishna is THE MAN. ... Last, zeroing in on the final 2 words, Personal Form, this is faith-based on Scriptural Authority. We are to believe Krishna's Personal Form (whatever the word they use - Viratarupa...) is somehow superior to the Christian Deity?, the Mormon God, or Xenu? Tom Cruise,...where are you ... See what he's doing? He's eliminated Supreme Personality of God, replacing that with Bhagavan, and eliminating the Hare Krishna Guru's usage of Absolute Body, or Viratarupa, with essentially, an equally faith-based, totally Scriptural assertion: That Bhagavan (Krishna) is THE Personal God above other Gods, and that He's the Absolute in Personal form. ... Adi Da claimed the same thing for himself: that he was the Transcendental Man, the Absolute in Personal form, blah, blah,...total rubbish. Any Personality whomever is obviously The Absolute in Personal form. Even Hitler. So go figure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: Like I said, if somebody (say any Krishna Bhaktis of various stripes - the Hare Krishna Guru, Swami Prakashanand, the fellow below...etc) claims Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, apart from Scriptures, what's the evidence? You're not paying attention, Yifu and you clearly didn't read the post. He didn't claim that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This is what he said: Is the Absolute dual, or is the Absolute non-dual is the Absolute personal, is the Absolute impersonal? And sometimes I would get very vague answers. And sometimes I would get very conflicting, combating answers against the apparent opposing side. And I was really looking to understand. And on the path of Bhakti I found what I felt to be the synthesis of the two, and it's based on the Shrimad Bhagavatam, the Upanishads, the holy scriptures and a whole line of great saintly people who teach this principle. And I'll share with you a little piece
[FairfieldLife] Re: Most racist and sexist political ad ever?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Welcome to the American political process. I'm sure glad that you people have to live with it and I don't. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/14/dccc-demands-gop-candidat_n_877146.html I'm glad we live with it and don't carry it in our head daily half-way across the globe.
[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: If you read what she said you could determine the credibility yourself. Actual video evidence is rare is nay sex case for obvious reasons, so it is up to the jury to determine the credibility of the witness. Since Judith's account was backed up by an even more credible witness,for me the case is closed. YMMV. Someone was in the room with them? Kinky. Lawson Curtis was, poor little bastard - he has been scarred ever since. He can't even admit that it was him, because then he would have to admit he was Judith's secret lover - what a love triangle, what a dilemma !!
[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: If you read what she said you could determine the credibility yourself. Actual video evidence is rare is nay sex case for obvious reasons, so it is up to the jury to determine the credibility of the witness. Since Judith's account was backed up by an even more credible witness,for me the case is closed. YMMV. Someone was in the room with them? Have you read the book Lawson? Those who haven't done so sound pretty foolish when trying to dismiss its credibility. Would you care to give a brief summary of why you think it's credible? If you are going to lose any commission on this book by doing so please forgive me and feel free to ignore.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eternal relationship with God vs Merging with the Absolute
Is your real name Matlock? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: Nope...I'm familiar with the tricks of these devious Krishna Bhaktis. They state outright (privately), that any tricks whatsoever are legitimate, as long as it results in somebody saying Krishna. Take a look at what he's doing pursuant to the previous efforts of the Hare Krishna Guru. ... The latter's pov was that Krishna was Superior to the impersonal Absolute, and that the impersonal Absolute was an emanation of Krishna. That message obviously will not be conducive toward converting the Impersonalists (i.e. non-dualists) such as Buddhists, Advaitins, Neo-Advaitins, and of course the whole fold of TMO and Maharishi-inspired Cosmology. We can broadly combine the various separate originations of non-dualism (mainly Buddhism and Saivite Hinduism); into what Wilber calls The Great Tradition. Adi Da called this world-view Advaitayana Buddhism. ... Now getting back to the Guru below, let's zero-in on a single statement that calls his bluff, exposing his hairy butt, revealing the Wolf; and a phoney attempt to trick the Impersonalists into worshipping Krishna: It's ... And then there is Bhagawan which is the Absolute with personal form That's it right there!. Let's go over this examining the key words. First, Bhagavan. By this he really means Krishna. It's obvious this deceiver is a Hare Krishna Vaishava Gaudiya Bhakti akin to the Hare Krisha Guruonly the latter was a white zebra with black stripes, and this Guru is black with white stripes. There both zebras.((but no offense to black or white...just the same old critter but differing stripes). ... OK, as stated a million times, there's no evidence that (even if there were a Bhagavan), that Krishna is THE Bhagavan, as opposed to (say) YHVH. Apart from Vaisnava Scriptures chiefly the Srimad Bhagavan, what's the evidence that Krishna is Bhagavan? ... In order to pull the wool of your eyes, he's simply replaced Supreme Personality of Godhead, with Bhagavan, and tricked you even more. ... Next, the sentence says ...which is the Absolute. Duuuhhheverything is the Absolute. A dirt clod = the Buddha. There is no Absolute above the Absolute. A dirt clod is equal in its Absoluteness to Krishna. Krishna is not more Absolute than dog crap. Dog = God backwards, same stuff. ... Next to Last, he says..Absolute with Personal Form. Again, this is pure Hare Krishna bullshit, only he's cleverly eliminated saying Supreme Personality of Godhead. Everything is Absolute with form, if it has form. But again, apart from Scriptures, no evidence, that Krishna is THE MAN. ... Last, zeroing in on the final 2 words, Personal Form, this is faith-based on Scriptural Authority. We are to believe Krishna's Personal Form (whatever the word they use - Viratarupa...) is somehow superior to the Christian Deity?, the Mormon God, or Xenu? Tom Cruise,...where are you ... See what he's doing? He's eliminated Supreme Personality of God, replacing that with Bhagavan, and eliminating the Hare Krishna Guru's usage of Absolute Body, or Viratarupa, with essentially, an equally faith-based, totally Scriptural assertion: That Bhagavan (Krishna) is THE Personal God above other Gods, and that He's the Absolute in Personal form. ... Adi Da claimed the same thing for himself: that he was the Transcendental Man, the Absolute in Personal form, blah, blah,...total rubbish. Any Personality whomever is obviously The Absolute in Personal form. Even Hitler. So go figure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: Like I said, if somebody (say any Krishna Bhaktis of various stripes - the Hare Krishna Guru, Swami Prakashanand, the fellow below...etc) claims Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, apart from Scriptures, what's the evidence? You're not paying attention, Yifu and you clearly didn't read the post. He didn't claim that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This is what he said: Is the Absolute dual, or is the Absolute non-dual is the Absolute personal, is the Absolute impersonal? And sometimes I would get very vague answers. And sometimes I would get very conflicting, combating answers against the apparent opposing side. And I was really looking to understand. And on the path of Bhakti I found what I felt to be the synthesis of the two, and it's based on the Shrimad Bhagavatam, the Upanishads, the holy scriptures and a whole line of great saintly people who teach this principle. And I'll share with you a little piece of it. There's a beautiful verse in the Vedas (recites verse in Sanskrit then explains it as follows): There's one Absolute Truth we can call God, we can call Nirvana, but there's one Absolute Truth. And according to the Vedas, this one Absolute Truth eternally, simultaneously has three features: Brahman, Paramatma and
[FairfieldLife] India's Widows
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Two Approaches To Spiritual Teaching - Theory vs. Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Most spiritual teachers do have the ability to do number two and a number here might argue they experienced number 2 or what is usually called darshan even with Maharishi. The guy did have some shakti after all. If some folks didn't experience maybe they hit him on a bad day or their nervous system was just too coarse to experience it. Ignoring the obvious humor bait of the number two references :-), I'd love to hear from those who feel that they experienced what I'm talking about with MMY. I never did. The occasional light buzz, or a feeling of upliftment maybe, but the full-blown experience of one of his 3 higher states of consciousness, never. IMO, what most people I've talked to experience as darshan is an occult buzz, not what I'm talking about at all. I almost always had that lightness and quieting of thoughts and a certain sense of the aliveness of the energy in MMY's presence. But twice I had something much more,: my awareness just shifted and became infinite, there was no I to find anywhere, just infinity, and that was so powerful and stunning that I was not aware of much else at all for a while. Not much thought, just a stunned wonder and taking it all in. Then, I as I moved around and had to interact, I noticed this silence and energy just everywhere and especially where I put my attention. These 2 experiences lasted a a few hours each and then faded (during which feelings of bliss and joy were intensely everywhere). I felt bereft when they were done - smaller and trapped in the cycle of thoughts and small awareness I believe that MMY's presence triggered them. They were of a completely different nature than the buzz or lightness I usually felt around MMY. They were entirely different states of awareness. I also had a few more of these more profound and intense types of experiences (way more than the buzz) without being in MMYs presence, but directly after meditating, and once even before learning TM - at about age 18. And I think I had something similar at about age 4, after awakening from a nap in which I had dreamt that a snake was biting my left big toe! I think energy traveled from there to my brain and that began some experience. I never heard MMY talk about his darshan or that he tried to evoke these shifts in SOC's with his students. I assumed many people had this happen - one reason they stuck around even in the midst of the craziness. And we all assumed that happned all the time with those in the very inner circle like Bevan and John and skinboys. As you suggest, it could be that I just didn't groove with him and did with the other teachers I wrote about originally. Did you ever experience this (being able to experience a full-blown higher state of consciousness) while with Maharishi? With anyone else? Genuinely curious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Math test
Lawson, here's an even cooler math test, one which demonstrates that the term computer security is an oxymoron, because of the number of morons out there. What do the number sequences (sets) 1234, , 2580, , and have in common? If you answered, Those are the passcodes chosen by a shocking number of iPhone users, you'd be correct. Fascinating study, not directly on iPhone users, but close enough to assume that its findings are true for them as well: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/13/iphone-passcodes-most-common_n_876161.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: So, which is the largest set: all the positive numbers 1,2,3,4,5... all the even numbers ...,-4,-2,0,2,4,6,8... all the real numbers between 0 and 1 ? The guy that codified this branch of mathematics (set theory) was named Georg Cantor. He eventually died in a sanatorium following a serious illness, after a lifetime of being in and out of mental hospitals. Many of his contemporaries believed that his theories were indeed insane. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two Approaches To Spiritual Teaching - Theory vs. Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Most spiritual teachers do have the ability to do number two and a number here might argue they experienced number 2 or what is usually called darshan even with Maharishi. The guy did have some shakti after all. If some folks didn't experience maybe they hit him on a bad day or their nervous system was just too coarse to experience it. Ignoring the obvious humor bait of the number two references :-), I'd love to hear from those who feel that they experienced what I'm talking about with MMY. I never did. The occasional light buzz, or a feeling of upliftment maybe, but the full-blown experience of one of his 3 higher states of consciousness, never. IMO, what most people I've talked to experience as darshan is an occult buzz, not what I'm talking about at all. I almost always had that lightness and quieting of thoughts and a certain sense of the aliveness of the energy in MMY's presence. But twice I had something much more,: my awareness just shifted and became infinite, there was no I to find anywhere, just infinity, and that was so powerful and stunning that I was not aware of much else at all for a while. Not much thought, just a stunned wonder and taking it all in. Then, I as I moved around and had to interact, I noticed this silence and energy just everywhere and especially where I put my attention. These 2 experiences lasted a a few hours each and then faded (during which feelings of bliss and joy were intensely everywhere). I felt bereft when they were done - smaller and trapped in the cycle of thoughts and small awareness I believe that MMY's presence triggered them. They were of a completely different nature than the buzz or lightness I usually felt around MMY. They were entirely different states of awareness. I also had a few more of these more profound and intense types of experiences (way more than the buzz) without being in MMYs presence, but directly after meditating, and once even before learning TM - at about age 18. And I think I had something similar at about age 4, after awakening from a nap in which I had dreamt that a snake was biting my left big toe! I think energy traveled from there to my brain and that began some experience. Thanks for your reply. I have nothing to say about it because, after all, what is there to say? It was your subjective experience and thus essentially valid; there is nothing I or anyone can say about a subjective exper- ience other than That's cool, or Whatever. :-) As I said, from my side I never experienced anything similar with him. Once, in fact, in Fiuggi, I was curious as to whether he'd notice anything different in *my* SOC because I'd been witnessing 24/7 for about a week, my subjective experience pretty much mapping one to one to his descriptions of CC. As it turned out, at the height of this experience he was giving advanced techniques and I got to go up and sit by his side, literally at his feet, and have him spend a few minutes with me one on one, talking to me first and then giving me the advanced technique. He didn't notice a thing. From my side, I didn't notice any change between full- on witnessing and that profound, everpresent silence you spoke of before while sitting a foot away from him, or during, or after. No effect whatsoever, and as I said, he didn't notice any change in my SOC from his side. There was a line of others waiting for their techniques so I didn't bother him with any questions at that time, and before I had a chance to do so the experiences had faded and my questions and any confirmation from him would have been irrelevant. I've actually heard the same experience from others. At the height of their highest experiences, mapping from their perspective one to one to his descriptions of CC, they got to be close to Maharishi and he never noticed. So much for the notion of like knows like. Either that or he really didn't care enough about his students to notice them, period. Or any other explan- ation you prefer. I never heard MMY talk about his darshan or that he tried to evoke these shifts in SOC's with his students. Neither did I. I assumed many people had this happen - one reason they stuck around even in the midst of the craziness. And we all assumed that happned all the time with those in the very inner circle like Bevan and John and skinboys. I think there was *great deal* of assuming going on. :-) Assuming that Maharishi was enlightened when he never claimed to be. Assuming he'd just know when you got enlightened. Assuming that being in his presence would get you high, and then (Holy confirmation bias, Batman!) having that happen. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]
Hell of a shout out, but hey there Ravi! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: If you read what she said you could determine the credibility yourself. Actual video evidence is rare is nay sex case for obvious reasons, so it is up to the jury to determine the credibility of the witness. Since Judith's account was backed up by an even more credible witness,for me the case is closed. YMMV. Someone was in the room with them? Kinky. Lawson Curtis was, poor little bastard - he has been scarred ever since. He can't even admit that it was him, because then he would have to admit he was Judith's secret lover - what a love triangle, what a dilemma !!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Codependent Obsession, or How to end the Barry-Judy feud
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: My contention is that a reason for this is that Curtis is allowing the feud to resurface, and even *enabling* it to do so by allowing himself to be sucked in to Judy's gotta get Barry obsession. My contention is that Curtis -- as much as I like him -- is allowing himself to be a codependent enabler. You couldn't make this stuff up, folks. Barry's a walking case history of projection, which is, according to Wikipedia, a psychological defense mechanism where a person unconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. What follows, and what preceded it, is a classic case of projection. I think you got an important thing wrong here. Although I don't want to get in the middle of the feud, I don't care if you guys keep it up. As I said, Curtis, a feud is only a feud if more than one person is participating in it. If only one is, it's clearly a one-sided obsession. What I wrote was not to you solely but to a number of people on this forum who have, in the past, said that they didn't like the feud mentality and that they wished it would stop. However, my impression was that almost every time the subject of Barry and how evil he is was interjected into a conver- sation that had previously had nothing to do with him, they couldn't resist chiming in, That impression is not of anything that has actually happened on FFL. It's a product of Barry's out-of-control fantasy life. I do once in a while mention Barry in passing in a conversation that had nothing to do with him, but it's rare; and it's virtually always an observation related to something in that conversation, e.g., Barry as an example of whatever is being discussed, or something he said that's relevant to the discussion. But the chiming in part happens only in Barry's obsessed imagination. The kinds of observations I make don't invite chiming in and don't elicit it. thus giving the person who interjected the irrelevant topic the opportunity to go on and on about it. Which was, in my opinion, the point of interjecting it. Also pure fantasy. What started Barry off on this kick was a discussion Curtis and I had a few days ago concerning Curtis's refusal to criticize Barry when he tells lies about me and others, even when the lies are in posts addressed directly to Curtis. This is a beef I've had with Curtis for quite some time, and we've had a number of exchanges about it in the past. The supreme irony is that what instigated this discussion--wait for it!--was *Barry* interjecting Judy and how evil she is into a post to Curtis-- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/279083 --EXACTLY what Barry falsely accuses me of doing in his current post. Did he really think I wouldn't point this out? Or did he simply wipe the earlier post from his memory so he genuinely doesn't realize he's projecting his own rotten behavior onto me? The further irony is that in his exchange with me, Curtis *stood on his head* to defend Barry. And the thanks he gets? Barry accuses Curtis of being an enabler. Some friend.
[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: snip Have you read the book Lawson? Those who haven't done so sound pretty foolish when trying to dismiss its credibility. (Note that Lawson was not trying to dismiss its credibility.) Would you care to give a brief summary of why you think it's credible? I read it, and I found it credible. It's hard to say why something like this book has the ring of authenticity; it's more a matter of whether it has any signs of *in*authenticity. And it didn't, as far as I could tell. Part of it is that it's so amateurishly written. Typically, folks who write sensational false exposes do so with a great deal of care because they know what they write is going to be closely scrutinized, and they want to make sure it's as convincing as they can possibly make it. I didn't get any sense of that sort of calculation from Judith's book, but rather of an unskilled, awkward, artless innocence. That's really, really hard to fake. Another aspect--probably even more significant--is that the tone isn't vindictive but instead sad and regretful, almost wistful. That isn't typical of a false expose either. She spends quite a bit of time expressing her great admiration for MMY; she doesn't try to make him into a villain or a fraud as some of the critics here do. So those are two specific points. The rest is mostly intuition: it just *sounds true*. If you are going to lose any commission on this book by doing so please forgive me and feel free to ignore. Oh, give me a *break*, Ravi! You sound like Nabby at his absolute worst. Why do you even care about any of this anyway?
[FairfieldLife] New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 06/15/2011
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Eternal relationship with God vs Merging with the Absolute
Your obvious anger and open hostility toward Bhaktis tell much more than anything else about your point of view here, Yifu. It isn't only the Hare Krishnas [whom you apparently despise] that look to 'enlightenment' in terms of a personal relationship with God. Guru Dev's discourses are filled with recommendations to follow Bhagwan and to worship Paramatma, all according to the Veda Shastras. The following are only two of the dozens of examples he offers: --- Attainment of Bhagwan's World [from Guru Dev]--- With the support of nishkama (disinterested) karma yoga every human being can come to the other side of the ocean of being nishkama karma does not mean to do action without desire, because without desire then nobody can have the pravritti (tendency, inclination or perseverance) of mind [to perform action]. There are two causes of pravritti (tendency for activity), one is the knowledge of ishta sadhana that is information that by doing an action we shall gain fulfilment; and secondly the knowledge of krita sadhyata, knowledge that this work is feasible and possible for us to accomplish. Only by knowing these two pieces of information can there be a spur for any man to perform action. If there is any uncertainty about either of the two aspects then the spur to action will not occur. Therefore preceding a spur to action there must be the desire. Consequently the meaning of nishkama karma appears to be exactly this, that the karma suitable to be done is that which is fitting to offer to Bhagwan. nishkama karma is action done on Bhagwan's account. That karma that is to be offered to Bhagwan, and is not on account of being attached. Your right is only in the action of karma; never desire the effects. Because the soul's life has been suffering poverty from many lifetimes; it has no help with this call for assistance, not knowing what to ask for. When any demand is made then the demand is based on one's own merit. If the soul will wish for the effects of its karmas, then by one's merit there will be little effect desired, but if one surrenders to Bhagwan then Bhagwan who is All-Knowing, All-Powerful, from one's own merit offered to him on high he will give a high gift. Intelligently, delivering to Bhagavat (God), doing action, man gains Bhagwan's world. According to devotion he receives salvation, freedom and deliverance and is always released from being bound to birth and death. Performing karma one gets freed from bondage of life and death, this is the means to acquire moksha (final liberation, beatitude, redemption, absolution, quietus, salvation, freedom, death). From Guru Dev, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati's 108 Discourses [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 8 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_8 --The power of the grace of Bhagwan is not an arrangement to commit paapa (sin). In truth with the endless feeling from singing bhajan (hymns) to Bhagwan no forbidden behaviour can be practised. Then there is infinite wealth, for without Bhagwan there is nothing. When this kind of condition of devotion will come, then only that which pleases Bhagwan will be done. In the name of Bhagwan the strength of sin fades, so much so that wicked wrongdoings cannot be done. Valmiki is an example of maharishis (sages) who were very evil and wicked before but who let go of their own wickedness after being fully attentive to worshipping Bhagwan, from when they were made good. However sinful one is before, yet if he applies himself to worshipping Bhagwan, then sadagati (salvation, good conduct) will be certain. [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 15 of 108] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: Nope...I'm familiar with the tricks of these devious Krishna Bhaktis. They state outright (privately), that any tricks whatsoever are legitimate, as long as it results in somebody saying Krishna. Take a look at what he's doing pursuant to the previous efforts of the Hare Krishna Guru. ... The latter's pov was that Krishna was Superior to the impersonal Absolute, and that the impersonal Absolute was an emanation of Krishna. That message obviously will not be conducive toward converting the Impersonalists (i.e. non-dualists) such as Buddhists, Advaitins, Neo-Advaitins, and of course the whole fold of TMO and Maharishi-inspired Cosmology. We can broadly combine the various separate originations of non-dualism (mainly Buddhism and Saivite Hinduism); into what Wilber calls The Great Tradition. Adi Da called this world-view Advaitayana Buddhism. ... Now getting back to the Guru below, let's zero-in on a single statement that calls his bluff, exposing his hairy butt, revealing the Wolf; and a phoney attempt to trick the Impersonalists into worshipping Krishna: It's ... And then there is Bhagawan which is the Absolute with personal form That's it right there!. Let's go over this examining
[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]
Not to mention that a gal would have to be a freak to want to fuck a midget on an antelope skin under a framed photo of Guru Dev. That's just outrageous and sick, right? seventhray1: You're panting Willy. Slow down. Wait, I didn't claim to have screwed the Maharishi, that was Judith! Now that's sleazy! But, you are supposed to read the book BEFORE you post your comments. Curtis brought up the subject AGAIN. Why do you informants keep bringing this subject up? In my opinion, Judith's book reads like a cheap, made up fantasy - not worth ten cents; and the photos sucked big time. I mean, if Judith lied for all those years about achieving CC in 4-7 years with TM, or the 'Vedic Vibration Theory', why would anyone believe anything she says now? That's my point. Judy already said it was a cheap shot. I agree, but as long as some people persist in spreading rumors, I'm going to put in my two cents on the sleaze factor as long as it persists.
[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]
Have you read the book Lawson? Those who haven't done so sound pretty foolish when trying to dismiss its credibility. Lawson: Unless someone was in the room or took pictures, there's no way of settling it for sure. Judith Bourque and Conny Larsson are both liars and obviously pretty sleazy, so consider the source.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi: Surround yourself with those moving very quickly towards Unity
Surround yourself with those who are moving very quickly towards Unity. Be in the presence of those who are running forward. Besides the knowledge the Veda, the greatest thing we can do is be surrounded by those who are living and seeking the highest value of life, Brahmi Chetana. This is why yogic flying with groups is so much greater than flying alone. To live and work with others who are moving and aspiring fast towards Unity consciousness is the great force to help you achieve Unity. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
[FairfieldLife] Ever tried Chinese therapy balls (baoding)?
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[FairfieldLife] RIP Lilian Truesdale Wallace
Leith Wallace's mom died Friday. She sounds like she was a person I would have been proud to be friends with: http://www.eastbayri.com/detail/143915.html Lilian Truesdale Wallace, 95, formerly of Westport Was a member of Acoaxet Club, Elephant Rock Beach Club, Friday Club Lilian Truesdale Wallace of Westport, died peacefully on Friday morning, June 9, 2011, in Florence, Ariz., at the age of 95. Born in Fall River, Lilian was the third daughter of the late Dr. Philemon E. Truesdale, founder of Truesdale Hospital and Truesdale Clinic, and the late Minna Dickinson Truesdale. She attended the Lincoln School in Providence, and traveled extensively throughout Europe in her youth. After graduating from the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art in London, England, she began a successful acting career in New York and appeared in a number of off-Broadway shows. In 1939 she married the late William D. Wallace, a prominent dentist in Beverly Hills, Calif., whose patients included Clark Gable and Errol Flynn. She became an important member of a number of charitable organizations, and helped produce and perform in shows for underprivileged children. She frequently led family skiing and sailing trips and was active throughout her life. After her husbandâs death, she studied library science at Harvard and became the first librarian of Maharishi International University. In 1972 she became a teacher of the Transcendental Meditation program. Later she moved back to New England, where she lived in Newport, and Westport. She enjoyed both opera and cinema, and was a member of the Acoaxet Club, Elephant Rock Beach Club, and the Friday Club. In the last years of her life, she was lovingly cared for by Bill and Velma Wallace in Fairfield, Iowa, and in Florence, Ariz. She is survived by her three sons, Bill Wallace and his wife Velma of Florence, Ariz., Peter Wallace of Fairfield, Iowa, and Keith Wallace and his wife Samantha of Fairfield, Iowa. Her grandchildren are Sinclair and Laura Wallace, Philip Wallace, Ananda Wallace Tavano, Charles Wallace, Ted, Gareth, and Lila Wallace; great-grandchildren, Rachel and Gregory Wallace, Kyra Wallace, Roxie and Desmond Wallace, Max, Alex, and Sam Tavano, Julia and Kyran Wallace, and Tiana Wallace; and many nieces and nephews. Lilian was the last surviving sibling of Elizabeth Philippi, Elinor Marvell, Robert Truesdale, Philemon E. Truesdale, Mary Carney, and John Truesdale. A memorial service is at 3 p.m. Sunday, June 26, in United Congregational Church, the Commons, Little Compton. Memorial contributions may be sent to the Massachusetts Chapter of The Nature Conservancy, 99 Bedford St., 5th Floor, Boston, MA, 02111.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Two Approaches To Spiritual Teaching - Theory vs. Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: IMplicit in MMY's theory of 7 states of consciousness is the fact that there's no end-point to growth, and therefore there's no such thing as the 7th state. For that matter, even within CC, there's room for growth since there are plenty of TMers who have been tested in physiological studies who claim to be having episodes of pure consciousness 24/7 for years and decades at a time, which is one definition of CC, but none report non-stop transcending during TM, which is another definition of CC. I think you have to be careful here. If you are in 'waking state,' and then you learn TM, and it works, you will from time to time experience 'transcendental consciousness.' This is a separate experience. No mantra, no thought, but wakeful. This is a very early state on a spiritual path. In what is called 'cosmic consciousness,' the TM CC, that wakeful silent value is held. You no longer transcend, you experience yourself as that value. Transcending is a verb, going beyond. If you are already at that beyond, you do not go anywhere. That is, in meditation, while there may be thoughts which eventually vanish, the pure state of silent wakefulness being experienced, there is no process of transcending in CC, in that *you* are transcending. The process is the same, but when you start, you are already experiencing yourself as that transcendent, so *you* do not transcend. As the transcendent, you experience the process of thought refining, or not refining, but it is separate from you. Everything is the same, except your understanding and POV of the process. Maharishi, on a tape, had a discussion with someone about where you go in CC if you die. The guy wanted to come back (to do good, to be an avatar or something) Maharishi said if you do not go anywhere, that is if you are established in CC, you cannot come back. The two went back and forth on this point for some time. If someone is in CC, they are not going to transcend anymore, even though the process of meditation goes on as before. Eventually that process will result in the end of CC when everything is experienced as being (usually spelled with a capital B). You will not experience inward silence as separate from activity. Meditation will still happen, and have some variety, but really nothing will happen, there being no place to go beyond to, inward or outward, the surface and the depth will be pretty much the same. That does not mean you would stop meditating at that point. No matter what state you are in, the processes, and your life go on as before. Consciousness does not change, rather through practice there comes more attentiveness of its extent. This is called 'expansion of consciousness,' but that is really a fib. Rather, as experience becomes more refined, one notices more and more of what is already before one, and one experiences what one did not notice before, but was there anyway. This might actually be experienced as a kind of bummer. Those deep satisfying early meditations that seemed to take you to some far away blissful place get replaced by a sense of shallowness, where everything seems pretty much similar. The non-transcendental shallow meditation. That is because you have more or less arrived. So at this point one might need some advice on what is going on, so one can properly understand and be able to allow the integration of everything to proceed, otherwise the lack of understanding might become a barrier to letting the process complete. Note Turq's comment below. The pie of consciousness and its so-called states can be intellectually cut up in many ways, and to some extent these are arbitrary; hopefully some of these ways of describing experience actually correspond with what people experience, in which case they might be useful. In Zen in a simplified overview, there is just 'ignorance' and 'enlightenment.' In between those two words, there are various kinds of muck one can go through. In other forms of Buddhism, there might be other kinds of experiences that are described, which might not be described as muck. Certain kinds of experiences might be related to the kinds of techniques practiced. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: [...] Please bear in mind that none of these people believed in the seven states of consciousness as presented by Maharishi. I'm using WC, CC, GC and UC here because that is how most on this forum think. The teachers I'm talking about would consider that model a gross oversimplification. Most were Buddhist, and believed more in its ten thousand states of mind (which is a euphemism for lots and lots of them, possibly an infinite number of them not a number per se).
[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: If you are going to lose any commission on this book by doing so please forgive me and feel free to ignore. Oh, give me a *break*, Ravi! You sound like Nabby at his absolute worst. Why do you even care about any of this anyway? Thanks :-) I do of course not believe a word she says because she has no credibility. And I haven't read the book, reading the accounts here on FFL is more than enough, thank you very much. I'm not planning to buy it either Rick, so no need for trying to be sarcastic again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eternal relationship with God vs Merging with the Absolute
Ravi, I am indeed blessed to be targeted by you, and am now in a select group. Keep up the good work...I have seen you evolve quite a bit since your first posts speaking in the 3-rd person and the like. You seem to be getting smoother... and more settled down, as to your energy field; although some work remains to be done. http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/redtail-hawks.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Dear yifuxero piece of shit - your nightmare is coming true the Hare Krishnas are coming after you, you can run or hide but they will surely make you Krishna's bitch. Say goodbye to all your stupid posts with links from Google images. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: Nope...I'm familiar with the tricks of these devious Krishna Bhaktis. They state outright (privately), that any tricks whatsoever are legitimate, as long as it results in somebody saying Krishna. Take a look at what he's doing pursuant to the previous efforts of the Hare Krishna Guru. ... The latter's pov was that Krishna was Superior to the impersonal Absolute, and that the impersonal Absolute was an emanation of Krishna. That message obviously will not be conducive toward converting the Impersonalists (i.e. non-dualists) such as Buddhists, Advaitins, Neo-Advaitins, and of course the whole fold of TMO and Maharishi-inspired Cosmology. We can broadly combine the various separate originations of non-dualism (mainly Buddhism and Saivite Hinduism); into what Wilber calls The Great Tradition. Adi Da called this world-view Advaitayana Buddhism. ... Now getting back to the Guru below, let's zero-in on a single statement that calls his bluff, exposing his hairy butt, revealing the Wolf; and a phoney attempt to trick the Impersonalists into worshipping Krishna: It's ... And then there is Bhagawan which is the Absolute with personal form That's it right there!. Let's go over this examining the key words. First, Bhagavan. By this he really means Krishna. It's obvious this deceiver is a Hare Krishna Vaishava Gaudiya Bhakti akin to the Hare Krisha Guruonly the latter was a white zebra with black stripes, and this Guru is black with white stripes. There both zebras.((but no offense to black or white...just the same old critter but differing stripes). ... OK, as stated a million times, there's no evidence that (even if there were a Bhagavan), that Krishna is THE Bhagavan, as opposed to (say) YHVH. Apart from Vaisnava Scriptures chiefly the Srimad Bhagavan, what's the evidence that Krishna is Bhagavan? ... In order to pull the wool of your eyes, he's simply replaced Supreme Personality of Godhead, with Bhagavan, and tricked you even more. ... Next, the sentence says ...which is the Absolute. Duuuhhheverything is the Absolute. A dirt clod = the Buddha. There is no Absolute above the Absolute. A dirt clod is equal in its Absoluteness to Krishna. Krishna is not more Absolute than dog crap. Dog = God backwards, same stuff. ... Next to Last, he says..Absolute with Personal Form. Again, this is pure Hare Krishna bullshit, only he's cleverly eliminated saying Supreme Personality of Godhead. Everything is Absolute with form, if it has form. But again, apart from Scriptures, no evidence, that Krishna is THE MAN. ... Last, zeroing in on the final 2 words, Personal Form, this is faith-based on Scriptural Authority. We are to believe Krishna's Personal Form (whatever the word they use - Viratarupa...) is somehow superior to the Christian Deity?, the Mormon God, or Xenu? Tom Cruise,...where are you ... See what he's doing? He's eliminated Supreme Personality of God, replacing that with Bhagavan, and eliminating the Hare Krishna Guru's usage of Absolute Body, or Viratarupa, with essentially, an equally faith-based, totally Scriptural assertion: That Bhagavan (Krishna) is THE Personal God above other Gods, and that He's the Absolute in Personal form. ... Adi Da claimed the same thing for himself: that he was the Transcendental Man, the Absolute in Personal form, blah, blah,...total rubbish. Any Personality whomever is obviously The Absolute in Personal form. Even Hitler. So go figure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: Like I said, if somebody (say any Krishna Bhaktis of various stripes - the Hare Krishna Guru, Swami Prakashanand, the fellow below...etc) claims Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, apart from Scriptures, what's the evidence? You're not paying attention, Yifu and you clearly didn't read the post. He didn't claim that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This is what he said: Is the Absolute dual, or is the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two Approaches To Spiritual Teaching - Theory vs. Practice
On 06/15/2011 03:16 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: Most spiritual teachers do have the ability to do number two and a number here might argue they experienced number 2 or what is usually called darshan even with Maharishi. The guy did have some shakti after all. If some folks didn't experience maybe they hit him on a bad day or their nervous system was just too coarse to experience it. Ignoring the obvious humor bait of the number two references :-), I'd love to hear from those who feel that they experienced what I'm talking about with MMY. I never did. The occasional light buzz, or a feeling of upliftment maybe, but the full-blown experience of one of his 3 higher states of consciousness, never. IMO, what most people I've talked to experience as darshan is an occult buzz, not what I'm talking about at all. As you suggest, it could be that I just didn't groove with him and did with the other teachers I wrote about originally. Did you ever experience this (being able to experience a full-blown higher state of consciousness) while with Maharishi? With anyone else? Genuinely curious. It wasn't a case of grooving as I treated the encounters as objectively as I could, no mood making. Remember, I came to TM from having an experience some 3 years earlier of trying a mantra in a book and having kundalini experience. Between that and learning TM, I did quite a bit of reading, meditation experiments and studying yoga teachings. After I learned TM and was one day explaining it to a skeptical friend he told me I started glowing during the explanation. The first time I saw Maharishi was probably in the spring of 1974 when he was in San Francisco during the Merv Griffin years. I think Clint Eastwood and definitely Burt Reynolds and Merv were there. Again I tried to observe objectively. Next was on TTC when he made us teachers. He was one person when he sat on the stage and asked for experiences and another when he made us teachers. He was very business like with the latter and showed some knowledge of the technology he was using. Then I saw him again when he sneaked into Seattle in the summer of 1978. Shakti doesn't mean that the person is enlightened but to have helps a lot to take the person down the road as it will condition the nervous system for it. You can also charge up by meditating a bit before satsang (hint, hint). In my tantric path the ideal is to have enough shakti you can at least give 7 people shaktipat a day. Taking a crowd to a temporary experience of a higher state of consciousness would require group shaktipat and some teachers can do it. I never heard of Maharishi doing that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two Approaches To Spiritual Teaching - Theory vs. Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Most spiritual teachers do have the ability to do number two and a number here might argue they experienced number 2 or what is usually called darshan even with Maharishi. The guy did have some shakti after all. If some folks didn't experience maybe they hit him on a bad day or their nervous system was just too coarse to experience it. Ignoring the obvious humor bait of the number two references :-), I'd love to hear from those who feel that they experienced what I'm talking about with MMY. I never did. The occasional light buzz, or a feeling of upliftment maybe, but the full-blown experience of one of his 3 higher states of consciousness, never. IMO, what most people I've talked to experience as darshan is an occult buzz, not what I'm talking about at all. I almost always had that lightness and quieting of thoughts and a certain sense of the aliveness of the energy in MMY's presence. But twice I had something much more,: my awareness just shifted and became infinite, there was no I to find anywhere, just infinity, and that was so powerful and stunning that I was not aware of much else at all for a while. Not much thought, just a stunned wonder and taking it all in. Then, I as I moved around and had to interact, I noticed this silence and energy just everywhere and especially where I put my attention. These 2 experiences lasted a a few hours each and then faded (during which feelings of bliss and joy were intensely everywhere). I felt bereft when they were done - smaller and trapped in the cycle of thoughts and small awareness I believe that MMY's presence triggered them. They were of a completely different nature than the buzz or lightness I usually felt around MMY. They were entirely different states of awareness. I also had a few more of these more profound and intense types of experiences (way more than the buzz) without being in MMYs presence, but directly after meditating, and once even before learning TM - at about age 18. And I think I had something similar at about age 4, after awakening from a nap in which I had dreamt that a snake was biting my left big toe! I think energy traveled from there to my brain and that began some experience. Thanks for your reply. I have nothing to say about it because, after all, what is there to say? It was your subjective experience and thus essentially valid; there is nothing I or anyone can say about a subjective exper- ience other than That's cool, or Whatever. :-) As I said, from my side I never experienced anything similar with him. Once, in fact, in Fiuggi, I was curious as to whether he'd notice anything different in *my* SOC because I'd been witnessing 24/7 for about a week, my subjective experience pretty much mapping one to one to his descriptions of CC. As it turned out, at the height of this experience he was giving advanced techniques and I got to go up and sit by his side, literally at his feet, and have him spend a few minutes with me one on one, talking to me first and then giving me the advanced technique. He didn't notice a thing. From my side, I didn't notice any change between full- on witnessing and that profound, everpresent silence you spoke of before while sitting a foot away from him, or during, or after. No effect whatsoever, and as I said, he didn't notice any change in my SOC from his side. There was a line of others waiting for their techniques so I didn't bother him with any questions at that time, and before I had a chance to do so the experiences had faded and my questions and any confirmation from him would have been irrelevant. I've actually heard the same experience from others. At the height of their highest experiences, mapping from their perspective one to one to his descriptions of CC, they got to be close to Maharishi and he never noticed. So much for the notion of like knows like. Either that or he really didn't care enough about his students to notice them, period. Or any other explan- ation you prefer. I agree - this is odd, to say the least - that your Master (at the time) would not say something to you quietly just to acknowledge the experience you were having. It never occurred to me before that MMY seemed not to talk to people one on one about their experiences. When I had one of my more major experiences, I was late to get to the lecture hall in Humboldt (could not figure out how to come out of meditation since I thought I had to cause the experience to end before opening my eyes! Finally just gave up, opened my eyes, and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Join Purusha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Part of the message disappeared. Anyway the full text and pictures can be seen here: www.purusha.eu http://www.purusha.eu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD14Bqi6O5wfeature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD14Bqi6O5wfeature=player_embedded
[FairfieldLife] Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
There's a big sign up in the dome saying that anybody caught helping any saint will have their dome badge taken away. Way to go MUM. Another bullet in the foot.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 2:31 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , authfriend jstein@... wrote: If you are going to lose any commission on this book by doing so please forgive me and feel free to ignore. Oh, give me a *break*, Ravi! You sound like Nabby at his absolute worst. Why do you even care about any of this anyway? Thanks :-) I do of course not believe a word she says because she has no credibility. And I haven't read the book, reading the accounts here on FFL is more than enough, thank you very much. I'm not planning to buy it either Rick, so no need for trying to be sarcastic again. I'll give you a free copy if you'll promise to read it, cover to cover.
[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]
I'm not planning to buy it either Rick, so no need for trying to be sarcastic again. Rick Archer: I'll give you a free copy if you'll promise to read it, cover to cover. On what page does Judith say that she had sexual intercourse with the Maharishi? Maybe she just fantasized that a hug was an embrace. The point I'm trying to make is, why didn't she just come out and say I screwed the Maharishi on his antelope skin under a photo of the Guru Dev? We don't really know what happened between the two of them do we, based on what she wrote in the book?
[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]
The degree of evidence imo doesn't rise to the level of a criminal conviction; (unanimous agreement among jurors); but rather a preponderance of evidence as in civil cases. (or the ancient Roman system which had a mere majority for guilty). I'd say guilty, 95% but why bring this up again and again. It's about as water under the bridge as Weiner-gate. and no longer of much interest. imo. http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/big17.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: I'm not planning to buy it either Rick, so no need for trying to be sarcastic again. Rick Archer: I'll give you a free copy if you'll promise to read it, cover to cover. On what page does Judith say that she had sexual intercourse with the Maharishi? Maybe she just fantasized that a hug was an embrace. The point I'm trying to make is, why didn't she just come out and say I screwed the Maharishi on his antelope skin under a photo of the Guru Dev? We don't really know what happened between the two of them do we, based on what she wrote in the book?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WillyTex Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:14 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq] I'm not planning to buy it either Rick, so no need for trying to be sarcastic again. Rick Archer: I'll give you a free copy if you'll promise to read it, cover to cover. On what page does Judith say that she had sexual intercourse with the Maharishi? Maybe she just fantasized that a hug was an embrace. The point I'm trying to make is, why didn't she just come out and say I screwed the Maharishi on his antelope skin under a photo of the Guru Dev? We don't really know what happened between the two of them do we, based on what she wrote in the book? You don't, because you haven't read the book. You just babble on about it, making the same idiotic comments for months on end.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two Approaches To Spiritual Teaching - Theory vs. Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for your reply. I have nothing to say about it because, after all, what is there to say? It was your subjective experience and thus essentially valid; there is nothing I or anyone can say about a subjective exper- ience other than That's cool, or Whatever. :-) As I said, from my side I never experienced anything similar with him. Once, in fact, in Fiuggi, I was curious as to whether he'd notice anything different in *my* SOC because I'd been witnessing 24/7 for about a week, my subjective experience pretty much mapping one to one to his descriptions of CC. As it turned out, at the height of this experience he was giving advanced techniques and I got to go up and sit by his side, literally at his feet, and have him spend a few minutes with me one on one, talking to me first and then giving me the advanced technique. He didn't notice a thing. From my side, I didn't notice any change between full- on witnessing and that profound, everpresent silence you spoke of before while sitting a foot away from him, or during, or after. No effect whatsoever, and as I said, he didn't notice any change in my SOC from his side. There was a line of others waiting for their techniques so I didn't bother him with any questions at that time, and before I had a chance to do so the experiences had faded and my questions and any confirmation from him would have been irrelevant. I've actually heard the same experience from others. At the height of their highest experiences, mapping from their perspective one to one to his descriptions of CC, they got to be close to Maharishi and he never noticed. So much for the notion of like knows like. Either that or he really didn't care enough about his students to notice them, period. Or any other explan- ation you prefer. I agree - this is odd, to say the least - that your Master (at the time) would not say something to you quietly just to acknowledge the experience you were having. Thank you again for yet another thoughtful reply. Yes, that thought occurred to me, even at the time. And yet. And yet I was at that point -- 5 months into rounding and not yet made a TM teacher -- such a TB that I found ways to write off this experience as Not Particularly Significant. I mean, what could be significant about it? One of his students having subjectively realized the goal he'd been selling all this time? Even if the student was just experiencing early on experiences of the enlight- enment process and not fully established in CC, if you were a Maha Rishi, shouldn't you have noticed? And yet. At the time, I was such a TB that I felt that any fault -- if there was one -- had to be mine. Here I was, experiencing word-for-word the goal that he'd sold me five years earlier. What sweat off his balls was that, I told myself. He has far larger concerns. Such is youth. :-) It never occurred to me before that MMY seemed not to talk to people one on one about their experiences. It occurred to me, early on, because I had experienced it. When I had one of my more major experiences, I was late to get to the lecture hall in Humboldt (could not figure out how to come out of meditation since I thought I had to cause the experience to end before opening my eyes! Finally just gave up, opened my eyes, and went to the cafeteria anyway). So I was late to dinner and then showed up at the lecture hall about 15 minutes into the talk he was giving. I was still having the experience, just the beginning of a fade. I walked in the door way at the back of this huge hall, and it seemed to me that just as I entered MMY turned his head and looked right over at me, right in the eye and nodded - I felt he knew exactly what I was experiencing and nodded to say so. That could have all been wishful thinking. But I continue to think he knew. And I, for one, am not going to dispute it. This, for me, is a fundamental part of the wonder of the spiritual path. What significance do we give our personal, subjective experiences? Do we consider them true, because we experienced them, or even Truth, because We experienced them, or are they just more data in the input queue of our internal AI servers? I had similar experiences with Rama, although never with Maharishi. I'd walk into a room not having seen him in a week or so and during that time I'd gone through Major Changes and subjectively felt as if I were glowing like a 10,000 watt light bulb. ( Unecological, I admit, but the best metaphor I could think up on the spur of the moment. :-) And he'd notice. Sometimes he'd even come up to me after the meeting and talk to me about it, asking What have you been up to that has you glowing so brightly? But did that mean anything? Not unless you think that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
On Jun 15, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Rick Archer wrote: There’s a big sign up in the dome saying that anybody caught helping any saint will have their dome badge taken away. Way to go MUM. Another bullet in the foot. What's pretty amazing is that they still think anyone cares. Have they all been asleep for the last 20 years?? Who's left to even *have* dome badges~~the pundits? And a few MUM students who are required to go. So maybe it makes them feel macho to make empty threats. Anyone else would call it delusional. Now that I think about it, though, my guess is they want to maintain some kind of silly fantasy of hordes wanting to get in so that the pundits won't guess what supremo suckers they've been all these years. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
- On Jun 15, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Rick Archer wrote: There's a big sign up in the dome saying that anybody caught helping any saint will have their dome badge taken away. Way to go MUM. Very good !
[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]
On what page does Judith say that she had sexual intercourse with the Maharishi? Rick Archer: You don't, because you haven't read the book. You just babble on about it, making the same idiotic comments for months on end. Well, I have never brought up the subject for debate, but on what page does Judith say she had sexual intercourse with the Maharishi? I have the book right here on my book shelf, so just let me know, Rick and I'll turn to the page. But, it is not 'idiotic' to wonder how Judith sneaked into MMY's bedroom at Rishikesh TTC in the dead of night when you could hear a pin drop. And' it's a long walk to the Ganges to take a bath after, and where else but on his skin, under a picture of Guru Dev would they do it? Are you thinking the Maharishi had a four-poster bed up on his roof? If this story is true, then Jerry, Nandikishore and Ms Pittman must have known about it - and if so, doesn't that make them the biggest liars on the planet? I mean, who would believe anything they say now?
[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]
Yifu: The degree of evidence imo doesn't rise to the level of a criminal conviction... There is nothing as powerful as the cross-examination, and since MMY is dead, there will probably never be a conviction. But, if Judith wanted to be believed, she would have revealed the secret BEFORE he died, so we could do the cross-examine of all the witnesses. Judith did not, so the case is closed and just a rumor she started. At any rate it's a cheap-shot, and pretty hypocritical as well, since it has already been established that at least two of the loud-mouths talking about it have banged a groupie or two themselves! Let's just be honest. Maybe she just fantasized that a hug was an embrace. The point I'm trying to make is, why didn't she just come out and say I screwed the Maharishi on his antelope skin under a photo of the Guru Dev? We don't really know what happened between the two of them do we, based on what she wrote in the book?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: There's a big sign up in the dome saying that anybody caught helping any saint will have their dome badge taken away. Way to go MUM. Another bullet in the foot. Eh, so, make a choice: help a saint and don't go to the dome, or, don't help a saint and go to the dome. Which is more important and why? [the question of should this be a criterion for keeping your dome badge is another question entirely] Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: The degree of evidence imo doesn't rise to the level of a criminal conviction; (unanimous agreement among jurors); but rather a preponderance of evidence as in civil cases. (or the ancient Roman system which had a mere majority for guilty). I'd say guilty, 95% but why bring this up again and again. It's about as water under the bridge as Weiner-gate. and no longer of much interest. imo. I haven't read the book, and don't intend to, but for preponderance of evidence to apply, you would need more than one witness to the events because the consisted of personal interactions of two parties. There's no stained shirt, for example. L.
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq]
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Speculating about CC instead of doing the work[was Re:Two...questions from Turq] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: The degree of evidence imo doesn't rise to the level of a criminal conviction; (unanimous agreement among jurors); but rather a preponderance of evidence as in civil cases. (or the ancient Roman system which had a mere majority for guilty). I'd say guilty, 95% but why bring this up again and again. It's about as water under the bridge as Weiner-gate. and no longer of much interest. imo. I haven't read the book, and don't intend to, but for preponderance of evidence to apply, you would need more than one witness to the events because the consisted of personal interactions of two parties. There's no stained shirt, for example. There were numerous witnesses, in the person of multiple women. Each had their own events. Only one has had the guts to write a book.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@... wrote: There's a big sign up in the dome saying that anybody caught helping any saint will have their dome badge taken away. Way to go MUM. Another bullet in the foot. Eh, so, make a choice: help a saint and don't go to the dome, or, don't help a saint and go to the dome. Which is more important and why? [the question of should this be a criterion for keeping your dome badge is another question entirely] That's the question that interests me. Another one is whether MUM is hurting or helping itself with such policies. I say hurting. Hundreds have been driven away by this silliness.
[FairfieldLife] The Power of The Collective, by John Hagelin
From: Ken Chawkin kchaw...@mum.edu The Power of The Collective, by John Hagelin http://wp.me/pD0BA-2wu
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two Approaches To Spiritual Teaching - Theory vs. Practice
Turq, I am unable to keep up these conversations in real time, but I have some comments in the exchanges below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Nice idea. I have never encountered this, although I have encountered one teacher that could in the space of a few days get a fair number of persons to experience a shift in SOC, if only temporary, but it was not like a broadcast. If you have encountered such teachers of the second kind, do they have names? Yes, but they would do you no good. Two of the four I've met are now dead, and the other two I have heard went back to Bhutan, and are no longer working with non-Bhutanese or non-Tibetan students. They gave work- ing with Westerners a shot on teaching tours and (from what I am told) now prefer to work only with people who can make a longer-term commitment. They didn't like the drop in approach. And what are the mechanics behind the ability to broadcast an SOC? I have no earthly idea. I report only on my subjective experience of working with these teachers. I am asking this because your description makes it sound like a radio broadcast - a mental projection or something like that? Something like that. Or, as I have suggested in the past about darshan, being able to put on a SOC so powerfully that others in the audience could be in the same room and somehow recognize in the teacher's SOC the counterpart of a matching SOC that was within them, just not realized yet, and as a result access it. That's a more non-doing theory, but this is pure spec- ulation on my part. I have no idea how it was done, only *that* it was done. It makes me think of something like in old science fiction movies (say 1940) where the doctor says If I can just get to the laboratory I can create a ray which will change his SOC. It sounds completely science fictiony, until you have experienced it. Having done so does not make it in the least more understandable or less fantastic; but you've had the subjective experience. With the material you presented here, it seems like you could have just made this up. I could have, but I didn't. On the other hand, if it pleases you to consider it fiction, that is your right and I won't spend even the tiniest bit of effort trying to convince you otherwise. I don't understand it myself; I just experienced it. And clearly I'm not attempting to sell it to anyone, because as far as I know there is nothing to sell any more. You may treat what I wrote however you want. I wrote it because I ran into some old friends and we got to talking about this form of teaching (which we all have experienced), and that was fresh in my mind. I wrote what I wrote (as I often do) in an attempt to clarify *for myself* some of the discussions we had and the thoughts still rattling around in my head as a result. It is a great story idea, but how could someone find out that what you say here is real? Even worse, if you experienced it yourself, how could you convince *yourself* that it was real, much less anyone else? :-) The reason I brought this up is what I experienced was different, at least in the manner in which it arose. Prior to TM, I had tried various other things. One of these things was a teaching environment in which a person's system of belief was essentially in a situation where it would not work. It was constantly under attack. Eventually, at least for some in this environment, one would just let go, some obstacle or idea, or stress, whatever you want to call it would blow off and there would be an experience of 'expanded consciousness,' a feeling of great relief, a lot of bliss, a real high. Eventually the high would retreat and experience closed down again, but it would last for several days, and even after it closed down, one was not back to square one, one was changed in some way, at least a small part of the experience remained. Sometimes these experiences, once triggered this way would happen spontaneously, completely unbidden, when taking a walk, or driving. Each time it blew something off, and things felt freer afterward. This is different than taking a drug for example. One can get high on a psychotropic drug like LSD. These experiences can be fantastic. But afterward, nothing remains, no growth, no feeling freer, no sense one's experience has expanded in any way. Spiritual growth, if one wants to call it that and make it sound like a progression, has a progressive quality to it unlike an artificial chemical high that is induced, and then retreats. It is like the brain is rewired in some way. So, when I questioned the reality of what you said happened to you, about these guys projecting an SOC it was because 1} My experiences opened in a different way, and 2) the putting on of SOCs as if putting
[FairfieldLife] Re: India's Widows
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS8euwO4o8k Thanks for posting this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two Approaches To Spiritual Teaching - Theory vs. Practice
Wayback. Warning!, Warning!, Warning!. Where is the scientific evidence? Where is the objective verification? Don't you know this is simple MOODMAKING or RANDAM BRAIN ACTIVITY. You are goring some sacred cows by describing this experience. For what it's worth, I've also had nice experiences similiar to this. But to discuss them openly like this can open you up to some serious doubting. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Most spiritual teachers do have the ability to do number two and a number here might argue they experienced number 2 or what is usually called darshan even with Maharishi. The guy did have some shakti after all. If some folks didn't experience maybe they hit him on a bad day or their nervous system was just too coarse to experience it. Ignoring the obvious humor bait of the number two references :-), I'd love to hear from those who feel that they experienced what I'm talking about with MMY. I never did. The occasional light buzz, or a feeling of upliftment maybe, but the full-blown experience of one of his 3 higher states of consciousness, never. IMO, what most people I've talked to experience as darshan is an occult buzz, not what I'm talking about at all. I almost always had that lightness and quieting of thoughts and a certain sense of the aliveness of the energy in MMY's presence. But twice I had something much more,: my awareness just shifted and became infinite, there was no I to find anywhere, just infinity, and that was so powerful and stunning that I was not aware of much else at all for a while. Not much thought, just a stunned wonder and taking it all in. Then, I as I moved around and had to interact, I noticed this silence and energy just everywhere and especially where I put my attention. These 2 experiences lasted a a few hours each and then faded (during which feelings of bliss and joy were intensely everywhere). I felt bereft when they were done - smaller and trapped in the cycle of thoughts and small awareness I believe that MMY's presence triggered them. They were of a completely different nature than the buzz or lightness I usually felt around MMY. They were entirely different states of awareness. I also had a few more of these more profound and intense types of experiences (way more than the buzz) without being in MMYs presence, but directly after meditating, and once even before learning TM - at about age 18. And I think I had something similar at about age 4, after awakening from a nap in which I had dreamt that a snake was biting my left big toe! I think energy traveled from there to my brain and that began some experience. I never heard MMY talk about his darshan or that he tried to evoke these shifts in SOC's with his students. I assumed many people had this happen - one reason they stuck around even in the midst of the craziness. And we all assumed that happned all the time with those in the very inner circle like Bevan and John and skinboys. As you suggest, it could be that I just didn't groove with him and did with the other teachers I wrote about originally. Did you ever experience this (being able to experience a full-blown higher state of consciousness) while with Maharishi? With anyone else? Genuinely curious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two Approaches To Spiritual Teaching - Theory vs. Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: As I said, from my side I never experienced anything similar with him. Looking back, I can't say that I ever noticed anything in the way of darshan from him. I will allow that it could have been too subtle for me to notice. But I did have an experience once, where I worked myself into a devotional frenzy, and had the sensation of my heart melting. It was a physical sensation in the area of my heart, and it felt like it, well, melted. It was exquisite. It happened prior to meditation in Courcheval France when I was staying in the annex hotel during the first six month course.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two Approaches To Spiritual Teaching - Theory vs. Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: I agree - this is odd, to say the least - that your Master (at the time) would not say something to you quietly just to acknowledge the experience you were having. It never occurred to me before that MMY seemed not to talk to people one on one about their experiences. When I had one of my more major experiences, I was late to get to the lecture hall in Humboldt (could not figure out how to come out of meditation since I thought I had to cause the experience to end before opening my eyes! Finally just gave up, opened my eyes, and went to the cafeteria anyway). So I was late to dinner and then showed up at the lecture hall about 15 minutes into the talk he was giving. I was still having the experience, just the beginning of a fade. I walked in the door way at the back of this huge hall, and it seemed to me that just as I entered MMY turned his head and looked right over at me, right in the eye and nodded - I felt he knew exactly what I was experiencing and nodded to say so. That could have all been wishful thinking. But I continue to think he knew. I had an experience once, and I don't know if it was real or imagined. But I had the intent desire that MMY acknowledge me, or recognize me in some manner. It was a time when I was with him personally in a course setting, and I recall that he looked over at me, and began laughing. As I said, looking back on it, I don't know if it was real or not. If I were pressed on the issue, I would say it happened.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eternal relationship with God vs Merging with the Absolute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHh9ywmo5AE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHh9ywmo5AE Yifu, this is the category you fall into by diminishing the adherents of Bhagawan. (yea, I know I've posted this before, but it is such a classic) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: Ravi, I am indeed blessed to be targeted by you, and am now in a select group. Keep up the good work...I have seen you evolve quite a bit since your first posts speaking in the 3-rd person and the like. You seem to be getting smoother... and more settled down, as to your energy field; although some work remains to be done. http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/redtail-hawks.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Dear yifuxero piece of shit - your nightmare is coming true the Hare Krishnas are coming after you, you can run or hide but they will surely make you Krishna's bitch. Say goodbye to all your stupid posts with links from Google images. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: Nope...I'm familiar with the tricks of these devious Krishna Bhaktis. They state outright (privately), that any tricks whatsoever are legitimate, as long as it results in somebody saying Krishna. Take a look at what he's doing pursuant to the previous efforts of the Hare Krishna Guru. ... The latter's pov was that Krishna was Superior to the impersonal Absolute, and that the impersonal Absolute was an emanation of Krishna. That message obviously will not be conducive toward converting the Impersonalists (i.e. non-dualists) such as Buddhists, Advaitins, Neo-Advaitins, and of course the whole fold of TMO and Maharishi-inspired Cosmology. We can broadly combine the various separate originations of non-dualism (mainly Buddhism and Saivite Hinduism); into what Wilber calls The Great Tradition. Adi Da called this world-view Advaitayana Buddhism. ... Now getting back to the Guru below, let's zero-in on a single statement that calls his bluff, exposing his hairy butt, revealing the Wolf; and a phoney attempt to trick the Impersonalists into worshipping Krishna: It's ... And then there is Bhagawan which is the Absolute with personal form That's it right there!. Let's go over this examining the key words. First, Bhagavan. By this he really means Krishna. It's obvious this deceiver is a Hare Krishna Vaishava Gaudiya Bhakti akin to the Hare Krisha Guruonly the latter was a white zebra with black stripes, and this Guru is black with white stripes. There both zebras.((but no offense to black or white...just the same old critter but differing stripes). ... OK, as stated a million times, there's no evidence that (even if there were a Bhagavan), that Krishna is THE Bhagavan, as opposed to (say) YHVH. Apart from Vaisnava Scriptures chiefly the Srimad Bhagavan, what's the evidence that Krishna is Bhagavan? ... In order to pull the wool of your eyes, he's simply replaced Supreme Personality of Godhead, with Bhagavan, and tricked you even more. ... Next, the sentence says ...which is the Absolute. Duuuhhheverything is the Absolute. A dirt clod = the Buddha. There is no Absolute above the Absolute. A dirt clod is equal in its Absoluteness to Krishna. Krishna is not more Absolute than dog crap. Dog = God backwards, same stuff. ... Next to Last, he says..Absolute with Personal Form. Again, this is pure Hare Krishna bullshit, only he's cleverly eliminated saying Supreme Personality of Godhead. Everything is Absolute with form, if it has form. But again, apart from Scriptures, no evidence, that Krishna is THE MAN. ... Last, zeroing in on the final 2 words, Personal Form, this is faith-based on Scriptural Authority. We are to believe Krishna's Personal Form (whatever the word they use - Viratarupa...) is somehow superior to the Christian Deity?, the Mormon God, or Xenu? Tom Cruise,...where are you ... See what he's doing? He's eliminated Supreme Personality of God, replacing that with Bhagavan, and eliminating the Hare Krishna Guru's usage of Absolute Body, or Viratarupa, with essentially, an equally faith-based, totally Scriptural assertion: That Bhagavan (Krishna) is THE Personal God above other Gods, and that He's the Absolute in Personal form. ... Adi Da claimed the same thing for himself: that he was the Transcendental Man, the Absolute in Personal form, blah, blah,...total rubbish. Any Personality whomever is obviously The Absolute in Personal form. Even Hitler. So go figure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: Like I said, if somebody (say any Krishna Bhaktis of various stripes - the Hare Krishna Guru, Swami Prakashanand, the fellow below...etc) claims Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, apart from Scriptures, what's the evidence? You're not paying
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: There's a big sign up in the dome saying that anybody caught helping any saint will have their dome badge taken away. Way to go MUM. Another bullet in the foot. Well, give them credit. They didn't say anything about the saint helping anybody. But let me ask you a question Rick. Do you feel you have unresolved anger towards the TMO. This is not a rhetorical question. I would like to know. And yes, I think that there is anger that bleeds through in your feelings about the TMO.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of seventhray1 Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:56 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: There's a big sign up in the dome saying that anybody caught helping any saint will have their dome badge taken away. Way to go MUM. Another bullet in the foot. Well, give them credit. They didn't say anything about the saint helping anybody. But let me ask you a question Rick. Do you feel you have unresolved anger towards the TMO. This is not a rhetorical question. I would like to know. And yes, I think that there is anger that bleeds through in your feelings about the TMO. Yes, a bit. But part of it is that I sincerely would like to see MUM thrive. I devoted 25 years of my life to the movement. I think TM can be of great value for people, as the David Lynch Foundation continues to prove. I think it's a pity that the movement continues to sabotage its own interests by behaving like a blinking cult. But everyone does the best they can, so it's silly of me to expect anyone to do anything other than what they do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Yes, a bit. But part of it is that I sincerely would like to see MUM thrive. I devoted 25 years of my life to the movement. I think TM can be of great value for people, as the David Lynch Foundation continues to prove. I think it's a pity that the movement continues to sabotage its own interests by behaving like a blinking cult. But everyone does the best they can, so it's silly of me to expect anyone to do anything other than what they do. I feel the same way. Thanks for your reply.
