[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
Dear maskedzebra, I have refrained from commenting on your experiences such as your battles with the Vedic Gods and such since these are your metaphors for your battles, my comments on the rest below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Try this thought experiment: if you had never heard of enlightenment: it was a concept about which you were entirely ignorant (you didn't know of its existence, either in your vocabulary or in your experience), and you were describing what it was like to be Ravi Yogi RIGHT NOW, would you be forced tovirginally, innocentlydescribe, and thus discover, the necessity of, the reality of enlightenment (as classically delineated in your own scriptures)? Would, then, enlightenment, as a concept, as an empirical description of a certain style of functioning of your consciousness and your self, be required in order for you to 1. explain your experience to yourself; 2. explain your experience to others? First of all you have to let me know what my scriptures are and what is their concept of enlightenment. Because all the scriptures I have read didn't give any concept, just pointers to it. So I will answer your question though it's not exactly well stated. I have been and continue to be at a loss of words for my experience, but I, as in my rational mind, does want to do both 1 2 - i.e. explain my experience to myself and others, daily, my rational mind is constantly at it, every minute, trying to explain it away. So the integration of the rational mind with the experience is the metaphors I throw out - some my own, some well repeated ones. I don't just parrot the well repeated ones but they mesh well with what I feel. In my case, the violent shift from one state of consciousness to another state of consciousness (although occurring seemingly smoothly and irresistibly) was dramatic and extraordinary. And the attendant powers and abilities immediately conferred upon one simultaneous with effecting that transition from one state of consciousness into another, never-before-experienced state of consciousness, COULD NOT EXIST INSIDE ORDINARY WAKING STATE CONSCIOUSNESS. I, then, in making sense of what happened to me in Arosa in September 1976, WOULD [in this same thought experiment] REQUIRE a concept that entailed, in its nascent articulation, a perfect and felicitous conformity to what Maharishi defined as Unity Consciousness. So I would not have had to have an idea of enlightenment, in order to experientially validate its existence and its components for the first time when it happened to me. My putative enlightenment occurred not with respect to everything I had learned or knew about what enlightenment was before the moment I became enlightened. It happened, and I recognized what it was that was happening, based upon what I had learned from Maharishi. Now I don't say this same situation CANNOT apply to yourself, but I am interested in whether it DOES so apply. Mine - the first was dramatic and extraordinary too, but it has followed with periods of integration and another dramatic transition with higher intensity. But it doesn't seem to have the finality as you conclude yours to be, mine has more been like a rise and coast, another rise and coast, more like an airplane ascending, I can't say I have reached the destination. Unlike yours my idea of enlightenment hasn't included dominating others, besting others, or resulted or felt the need for an acknowledgement from others or need to put in a predefined bucket or the need to show off as a special state to be emulated by others. I have to say you have been cheated by Maharishi or that you missed the pun. I loved the quote - Ignorance has no beginning but an end whereas Enlightenment has a beginning but no end. I don't know why your experience could not exist in the ordinary waking state consciousness - doesn't make any sense to me. Enlightenment is not opposed to the waking state. Because if it does, then there is no such thing as enlightenment, since if enlightenment has anything to do with a true state of consciousness, it must represent reality accurately, and your critique (as expressed here in this post) of my enlightenment is at variance (obviously without your conscious knowledge of this) with reality. It is indeed the evidence of the non-fit between your subjective experience and the reality out of which you even have your individual existenceand your capacity to form the very judgment you have in this instance. Doesn't make any sense to me - what are your definitions of reality and enlightenment and why doesn't enlightenment represent reality accurately? I have been told that after Rick Archer interviewed you about your self-realized state, you said you were actually only giving a mock-interview; that you were playing Rick for a fool (and I believe there were unwanted consequences to this decision of yours to publicly declare this). Well, I don't say in this instance you are
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: MZ, snip Bobby's lurkage. Please don't take too long a breather cause heaven forbid Ravi may go back on his meds and from previous experience that can get messy. Bravo Bobby - usually people have attributed my behavior to being off the meds, you have really carved a new chapter by attributing my behavior to being on the meds. May be people on the Ravi-should-be-on-meds bandwagon should now try your new tactic. Tom, Vaj, Joey (wonder what happened to him, hope he is still alive), Barry, we are turning back, let's all follow Bobby now. But wait - how is it all going to work out? So they can't make fun of me anymore - well I will let you guys figure it out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Naagaarjuna and OCD?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... wrote: Naagaarjuna seems to repeat various forms derived from the root 'gam' (to go).. Because MMK 2 is an investigation of 'Coming and Going'? madhyamaka karika: http://www.stephenbatchelor.org/verses2.htm Oh sh*t! Thanks for the link, Richard! ;D
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Honestly, Barry, I think most people on this forum don't derive any sense of status or sheen from their days with MMY. And I don't get that just about anyone here feels they are a legend in their own mind. Haven't read much Nabby lately, eh? Maybe it is just that I don't consider them anything more special than typical Wise of you. - and if they do, that is their problem and really out of touch. My point exactly. I don't think there is anything that can disabuse Barry of this notion. This is one of the foundations of his posting here. Generally, it something that must be reiterated in some fashion twice or three times a day. Is one of the foundations of *your* posting here imagining things that don't happen? I'd like you to produce the two or three times a day posts you claim. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Ravit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cll82zMWFzE 'Ravit' is plural for 'ravi' (trot)...
[FairfieldLife] Sanskrit in London!
http://u.bb/315657/sanskrit-in-london
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit in London!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: http://u.bb/315657/sanskrit-in-london 1:45 (Rgveda I 1 6): yad an.ga daashuSe tuam, agne, bhadraM kariSyasi, tavet tat satyam, an.giraH. Note, that that girl pronounces the final visarga (H) without the so called echo vowel (which would be an.giraha[a])!
[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
I stopped reading about spiritual/enlightenment matters after reading *Autobiography of a Yogi* and *Be Here Now*... Bhairitu: I hear ya. I do like to read about people journeys and missteps like the one guy who wandered off to India as a teenager and learned all kinds of stuff and came back and wrote a book about it... The book is an intriguing portrait of what it was like to be right in the middle of it. The real gurus, the fake gurus, the zealous devotees, the drugs, the sex, the confusion. In India he studied with several famous teachers and when he gets back to America, Allen Ginsberg, Alan Watts (who was apparently a notorious drunk!) and Ram Dass, among others are constantly floating in and out of his life. It is also an interesting to see how he dealt with his unwanted fame... Read more: 'It's Here Now (Are You?)' By Bhagavan Das Broadway, 1998 Amazon reviews: http://tinyurl.com/3q3puzo
[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
Tom Pall: ...an excerpt of a book by this Jay Lathom fellow. He was a sensory feast to behold, seated in the highest position in the room on his throne chair that was placed directly underneath what looked like the same unbrella that Guru Dev had sat under as Shankaracharya. The man had a pure white halo that encircled his whole body... Read more: Subject: Galaxy of Fire From: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: June 3, 2002 http://tinyurl.com/3hukkmh
[FairfieldLife] Re: Children of the Night
Vaj: I feel sorry for the children and the soldiers and the cardiac patients they fool... This deception must be vast, judging by the news story in today's Telegraph! But, I'm beginning to think that the research cited by Vaj is the faked research, NOT the TM research mentioned in many peer-reviewed scientific journals. Go figure. In the news: Transcendental meditation, the relaxation technique made famous by the Beatles, can cut heart attack and stroke death rates by up to 50%, new research has found. The practice, which involves the continual repeating of a mantra, was found to reduce high blood pressure, cholesterol and thickening of the arteries. It is also protects against diabetes... Full story: 'Meditation can cut heart attacks by as much as half' By Richard Alleyne The Telegraph, June 28, 2011 http://tinyurl.com/5uqqu39
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: , no one much cares what a substitute teacher thinks about anything. Oooh nasty. I am not a sub tacher, but I work with a few. Like most of us, many have their own personal area of interest or passion. Some are downright interesting or creative, and use sub teaching to have a flexible life style so they can do other things than work. I have been stunned to hear some of the things they do in their free time - hike the App Trail, habitat for humnanity, big time bird watching, painting, major photography. Some are struggling mightily to get a bit of money so they can be at home when their kids are. Others are dealing with some personal fragility and don't want the responsibilitiy - at least for a few years - of their own classroom. Have a heart here, Barry. At the risk of being a ditto head. I was wondering how long it would be before this snub surfaced. No long it turns out. Can you imagine, can you just imagine Barry making a similiar comment about a street musician? An obvious example of a derision-worthy occupation. I think we can all relate to your example. I didn't comment on it, cause I thought Barry was making a joke. I hope he was. It's as if their legends-in-their-own-minds celebrity was completely dependent on associating themselves with another celebrity. Honestly, Barry, I think most people on this forum don't derive any sense of status or sheen from their days with MMY. And I don't get that just about anyone here feels they are a legend in their own mind. Maybe it is just that I don't consider them anything more special than typical - and if they do, that is their problem and really out of touch. I don't think there is anything that can disabuse Barry of this notion. This is one of the foundations of his posting here. Generally, it something that must be reiterated in some fashion twice or three times a day.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Circus begins
authfriend: More to read about Bachmann: OMG - another gaffe by a politician!!! Let's see , there are what, 57 states in the federal union, right? LoL! A comrade of yours, Jared Monti, was the first person who I was able to award the Medal of Honor to who actually came back and wasn't receiving it posthumously... http://tinyurl.com/64ctlh8 The American voter doesn't care about substance. All the American voter cares about is what somebody looks like on television and how they sound. If they look good, they sound smart, that's all it takes to become president... http://tinyurl.com/6k7w94j http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110628/ap_on_el_ge/us_bachmann_fact_check http://tinyurl.com/3qd24kt
[FairfieldLife] Check out Ron Paul Signs Cut, Cap, and Balance Pledge on Debt Ceiling | Ron P
_Ron Paul Signs Cut, Cap, and Balance Pledge on Debt Ceiling | Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee_ (http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/06/21/ron-paul-signs-cut-cap-and-balance-pledge-on-debt-ceiling/)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:09 PM, maskedzebra wrote: I am, however, going to ask you to slow down on the tour preparations. That's a pretty big move for this willed introvert (once exuberant performer). Never mind the tour, mz~~could you just do another helicopter drop? That was one of the coolest sights I've ever seen on the MUM campus. That was real, man. It's definitely high time for a repeat. But if you can guarantee the cash up front, I might consider it. Now you're talking like a true TMer! Forget mantras, we *know* what's important, right? But in the meantime let me do a Novena on it, and then pay for a Yagya to be down by the sages in India. I'll put in a fast and some silence while I'm at it. And, I promise you, DO MY PROGRAM. Aren't you forgetting the tarot cards and salt over the shoulder? I've getting a little nervous that well before the week is out, I will find myself approaching twelve o'clock (50 posts), and therefore will leave many of my dear readers frustrated—and imperilled by their ignorance. mz, that is thoughtful of you to consider your many devoted readers here~~but, as the song says, if you post out early, well...WE WILL SURVIVE. (Yes, you are right: this means I WILL continue to post. Whew. Reason? It's that CurtisDeltaBlues fella—if he weren't on this blog I never even would have begun to post—let alone be persuaded to stay with it for a while longer. I like that guy, even though I only know him from his posts—and his music via video.) Curtis is the real deal. But, who knows why? you have decided to put the welcome mat out for me, and believe me, I appreciate it. I can keep my stiletto in my pocket (only used for defensive purposes of course) when writing to you. No tricky stick-handling—or hard body-checks. Yeah, that Maharishi guy, he was SOMETHING ELSE. No one yet has defined him in terms of how he appears in eternity (you know, at the level of the actual: where things get DONE in creation)—like what kind of greeting he got when he went through his dying. No doubt about it, the shrewdest, most hardball, brilliant (in more than an intellectual sense), slyly egotistical, beautiful, seductive human being for two thousand years. Yes, MMY and Jesus~~sooner or later their names will almost certainly become interchangeable. And more stage presence than anyone other than Jesus. But for all this, not a good man, I think. Not, then, loved by God (wherever he is, whatever he's doing). But so far, it seems, my life has pretty much been all about him—and then getting the hate on for him. The best proof of God it seems to me (in this era at least: since we were born) is the very fact of the existence of someone like Maharishi, for, like no one else could—or ever did since Christ—he made you feel: This is It!—he gave me (and you I must believe)—at least in the beginning—the best version of what could be the TRUTH—measured by EXPERIENCE—that was possible. Once he went down (sort of disgracing himself at the end: becoming slightly mad and touched) then there was no one. All of us former initiators are living in the negative or ambivalent (or for some, positive) legacy of Maharishi. We can't help it. It sets us apart from the rest of humanity. A different form I guess of the mark of the beast. To try on another metaphor. About that Turq guy, i am sure he'll put me on my guard soon enough, but given your tacit warning, I think he must be doing a rope-a-dope, because but so far at least, I don't get the feeling he is about to surprise me with a fast uppercut. No blows landed so far. But, based upon your implicit estimation of him, I'll be watching for the knock-out punch. Turq is the real deal too~~he always saves his best for when you're not looking for it. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
On Jun 27, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I started this thread by stating that there was a sign up in the dome(s) stating that you would lose your badge if you helped a saint. I heard recently that in the office where you go to get your dome badge, there is a sign stating that it’s OK to visit saints, but not OK to help them in any way. Amma was just in Iowa this weekend, and there was a good turnout. But not here in Fairfield, which is undoubtedly where her biggest audience is. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Circus begins
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... wrote: authfriend: More to read about Bachmann: OMG - another gaffe by a politician!!! As Willytex knows, the quote above did not refer to her gaffe (in fact, I said of it, But that's relatively trivial). What the quote referred to was an article about her appalling record of nontrivial falsehoods. Money quote: Examining 24 of her statements, Politifact.com, the Pulitzer Prize-winning fact-checking service of the St. Petersburg (Fla.) Times, found just one to be fully true and 17 to be false (seven of them pants on fire false). No other Republican candidate whose statements have been vigorously vetted matched that record of inaccuracy. http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110628/ap_on_el_ge/us_bachmann_fact_check http://tinyurl.com/3qd24kt It's hard to tell whether Bachmann is just exceedingly poorly informed, or a chronic liar.
[FairfieldLife] Movie Review
OK, here's a rare Turq review of a film that isn't a horror/scifi/comedy gem like Paul or Tucker Dale vs Evil. It's not an arthouse classic like In Bruges or Doubt and it's not an undiscovered masterpiece that nobody has heard of before. The film, in fact, is embar- rassingly mainstream. It's done $147 mil in box office so far, gotten a 3-1/2 star review from Roger Ebert, and scored 90% on the Rotten Tomatoes 'Tomatometer.' Even more of a surprise to those who portray me as a misogynist, it's a chick flick. Go figure. Why I loved it is that it's a brilliant chick flick, co- written by and starring Kristen Wiig. I haven't lived in the US for some time and thus don't watch Saturday Night Live, so I didn't really know her from that show. I saw her in Paul and loved her low-key but hilarious perform- ance in that movie so much that when I saw her name in the credits for this one I just had to see it. Good call. Bridesmaids rocks. It contains got some of the funniest dialog I've heard in years. While on some levels it's cringe-inducing to be a male fly on the wall and watch these women interact and hear them talk, I admit to more than once laughing so hard that I sprayed the row in front of me with mouthfuls of popcorn. The basic plot is classic chick flick. Annie (Wiig), is a bit on the skids -- dumped by her latest boyfriend, her bakery business killed by the recession, and broke. So at this point she gets asked by her best friend to be the maid of honor at her wedding. Worse, she finds herself having to compete for this dubious honor with the groom's boss's trophy wife Helen (Rose Byrne), who is already known as the best party and wedding organizer in town. Sound excruciating yet, guys? :-) It's not. If it's starting to sound like a Judd Apatow guy flick gone bad because some studio flunky misread the script and cast it with women instead of men...well, he's the producer. There is some seriously funny stuff in Bridesmaids, stuff that way transcends gender. Almost. The ending is kinda more chick flick than I wanted, but it was all worth it for the popcorn-spewing laughter moments.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie Review
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: OK, here's a rare Turq review of a film that isn't a horror/scifi/comedy gem like Paul or Tucker Dale vs Evil. It's not an arthouse classic like In Bruges or Doubt and it's not an undiscovered masterpiece that nobody has heard of before. The film, in fact, is embar- rassingly mainstream. It's done $147 mil in box office so far, gotten a 3-1/2 star review from Roger Ebert, and scored 90% on the Rotten Tomatoes 'Tomatometer.' Even more of a surprise to those who portray me as a misogynist, it's a chick flick. Go figure. Why I loved it is that it's a brilliant chick flick, co- written by and starring Kristen Wiig. I haven't lived in the US for some time and thus don't watch Saturday Night Live, so I didn't really know her from that show. I saw her in Paul and loved her low-key but hilarious perform- ance in that movie so much that when I saw her name in the credits for this one I just had to see it. Good call. Bridesmaids rocks. It contains got some of the funniest dialog I've heard in years. While on some levels it's cringe-inducing to be a male fly on the wall and watch these women interact and hear them talk, I admit to more than once laughing so hard that I sprayed the row in front of me with mouthfuls of popcorn. The basic plot is classic chick flick. Annie (Wiig), is a bit on the skids -- dumped by her latest boyfriend, her bakery business killed by the recession, and broke. So at this point she gets asked by her best friend to be the maid of honor at her wedding. Worse, she finds herself having to compete for this dubious honor with the groom's boss's trophy wife Helen (Rose Byrne), who is already known as the best party and wedding organizer in town. Sound excruciating yet, guys? :-) It's not. If it's starting to sound like a Judd Apatow guy flick gone bad because some studio flunky misread the script and cast it with women instead of men...well, he's the producer. There is some seriously funny stuff in Bridesmaids, stuff that way transcends gender. Almost. The ending is kinda more chick flick than I wanted, but it was all worth it for the popcorn-spewing laughter moments. Thanks for the review, Turq; I'll check it out. (And for the cautionary note not to sit in front of you at a comedy if you're eating popcorn. A whole new form of golden shower.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie Review
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: OK, here's a rare Turq review of a film that isn't a horror/scifi/comedy gem like Paul or Tucker Dale vs Evil. It's not an arthouse classic like In Bruges or Doubt and it's not an undiscovered masterpiece that nobody has heard of before. The film, in fact, is embar- rassingly mainstream. It's done $147 mil in box office so far, gotten a 3-1/2 star review from Roger Ebert, and scored 90% on the Rotten Tomatoes 'Tomatometer.' Even more of a surprise to those who portray me as a misogynist, it's a chick flick. Go figure. Why I loved it is that it's a brilliant chick flick, co- written by and starring Kristen Wiig. I haven't lived in the US for some time and thus don't watch Saturday Night Live, so I didn't really know her from that show. I saw her in Paul and loved her low-key but hilarious perform- ance in that movie so much that when I saw her name in the credits for this one I just had to see it. Good call. Bridesmaids rocks. It contains got some of the funniest dialog I've heard in years. While on some levels it's cringe-inducing to be a male fly on the wall and watch these women interact and hear them talk, I admit to more than once laughing so hard that I sprayed the row in front of me with mouthfuls of popcorn. The basic plot is classic chick flick. Annie (Wiig), is a bit on the skids -- dumped by her latest boyfriend, her bakery business killed by the recession, and broke. So at this point she gets asked by her best friend to be the maid of honor at her wedding. Worse, she finds herself having to compete for this dubious honor with the groom's boss's trophy wife Helen (Rose Byrne), who is already known as the best party and wedding organizer in town. Sound excruciating yet, guys? :-) It's not. If it's starting to sound like a Judd Apatow guy flick gone bad because some studio flunky misread the script and cast it with women instead of men...well, he's the producer. There is some seriously funny stuff in Bridesmaids, stuff that way transcends gender. Almost. The ending is kinda more chick flick than I wanted, but it was all worth it for the popcorn-spewing laughter moments. Thanks for the review, Turq; I'll check it out. (And for the cautionary note not to sit in front of you at a comedy if you're eating popcorn. A whole new form of golden shower.) The folks in front of me were just lucky I hadn't stopped for Brazilian food before the movie. You won't get this until you see the flick. :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
I don't pretend to understandbut how does one help a saint anyhowexcept for giving $$ perhaps to organization. How did your visit to Amma go? --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 3:31 PM I started this thread by stating that there was a sign up in the dome(s) stating that you would lose your badge if you helped a saint. I heard recently that in the office where you go to get your dome badge, there is a sign stating that it’s OK to visit saints, but not OK to help them in any way. Amma was just in Iowa this weekend, and there was a good turnout.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
Battle Of The Saints. C'mon someone HAS to make that movie! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jun 27, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I started this thread by stating that there was a sign up in the dome(s) stating that you would lose your badge if you helped a saint. I heard recently that in the office where you go to get your dome badge, there is a sign stating that it's OK to visit saints, but not OK to help them in any way. Amma was just in Iowa this weekend, and there was a good turnout. But not here in Fairfield, which is undoubtedly where her biggest audience is. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Battle Of The Saints. C'mon someone HAS to make that movie! Already casting it in my head. So far I've got Samuel L. Jackson playing Maharishi and Margo Martindale (from Dexter and Justified) playing Amma. I considered John Goodman for Bevan but it just didn't work because Goodman is funny. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 27, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I started this thread by stating that there was a sign up in the dome(s) stating that you would lose your badge if you helped a saint. I heard recently that in the office where you go to get your dome badge, there is a sign stating that it's OK to visit saints, but not OK to help them in any way. Amma was just in Iowa this weekend, and there was a good turnout. But not here in Fairfield, which is undoubtedly where her biggest audience is. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
Well, I do not pretend to have achieved the simplicity of this goal...so perhaps an existential leap is required...I have been focused on observing my interactions with the rest of the world and slowing my reactions of late. It is true that I have been reading (to much amusement) many of the posts on this site and I must say that, in some threads, it seems there is much discussion that is mired in debating the semantics of choice for the respective commenters - it reminds me that our brain/ego tends to overcomplicate in its desire to be recognized and then the core message is lost in the distraction of the words. Did you visit Amma this year in Iowa and what did you come away with? --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 7:51 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Snip: Â Enlightenment is just being oneself, a state of absolute self-love (narcissism as Barry would say) that then extends outwards, the unique expression of divine, the divine admiring its own creation in its unique limited localized manifestation and then all individuals are part of this whole. So, enlightenment is self-love extended to others. Â (True self-love is not narcissism - narcissism is based on development of a false self to cover up and protect one's real self). Â Loving self, others, and living in the moment. Â Doesn't seem too complicated. Yes indeed doesn't seem too complicated Denise but it really requires an existential leap to reach this simple utterly relaxed state, at least for me. I realized I had collected so much neurosis, from the society, that I need to be a millionaire with a million dollar wife, million dollar kids and a million dollar car and house to be happy. That I needed to be a model citizen, a model parent, a model child, that I needed to help someone, help suffering people in Sudan, that I had to be a Gandhi, had to be a Teresa, that I had to million things in order to feel happy. To achieve this state, this state where you don't need to do anything, you don't owe anyone anything, to feel that every moment the existence is in a blissful orgasm with you, that the existence is somehow incomplete with you, this state truly requires an existential leap.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
Ravi, I was wondering when you would get around to me. Actually I was hoping you missed it because I've been feeling a bit ashamed of myself. The Golden Rule is about all I have left and I completely blew it with what can only be viewed as a cheap shot. Sorry for that, sincerely, and thank you for not forgetting me. Oh and I almost forgot. Thank you for figuring out my real name. Bobby, as in up and down. I'm guessing that you've probably considered the possibility that MZ and I could be the same poster. Although if we head down that road possibly MZ is an invention of Turq, which he may have done out of shear boredom. Isn't there a vedic creation myth that says thats what all the creation is? The big guy got bored? Well one thing we know for sure is that I can't write nearly as well as those other two manifestations, or at least punctuate. Anyway I love you man and I'm glad you're here both on the post and in this crazy old creation of MZ's. Om Shanti bro. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 12:20:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: MZ, snip Bobby's lurkage. Please don't take too long a breather cause heaven forbid Ravi may go back on his meds and from previous experience that can get messy. Bravo Bobby - usually people have attributed my behavior to being off the meds, you have really carved a new chapter by attributing my behavior to being on the meds. May be people on the Ravi-should-be-on-meds bandwagon should now try your new tactic. Tom, Vaj, Joey (wonder what happened to him, hope he is still alive), Barry, we are turning back, let's all follow Bobby now. But wait - how is it all going to work out? So they can't make fun of me anymore - well I will let you guys figure it out.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't pretend to understandbut how does one help a saint anyhowexcept for giving $$ perhaps to organization. How did your visit to Amma go? - It depends on the Saint. SSRS requires no help. There's no orchestration. Saint Amma, OTOH, requires lots of logistics to handle the multitude, change money in the temple, run the store, help out at initiations, cook and serve food, herd the multitude, get people in position then out of position as quickly as possible for their hug and Ma, Ma. Gotta shine her silver crown and all that stuff. Heck, a visit from Amma makes a visit from the Pope look tame and uneventful.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
Sal, My only recent disappointment, with this thread, has been your absence. I'm now, with your help, nearing fulfilment although I'm going to resist any sense of oneness with anyone cause frankly, I just don't have time to respond to all the posts those feelings might create. I may be be sticking my neck out here, we're still in negotiations on his final package, book rights could be an issue, but I think I speak for MZ when I say anyone with as developed a sense of humour as you is welcome on the World Tour. You can consider the chopper a done deal although we will have to speak about the tarot cards, don't forget we're going main stream here. Our demographic is the 99. (you know what I mean) % the TMO has left behind. Best. From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 6:51:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:09 PM, maskedzebra wrote: I am, however, going to ask you to slow down on the tour preparations. That's a pretty big move for this willed introvert (once exuberant performer). Never mind the tour, mz~~could you just do another helicopter drop? That was one of the coolest sights I've ever seen on the MUM campus. That was real, man. It's definitely high time for a repeat. But if you can guarantee the cash up front, I might consider it. Now you're talking like a true TMer! Forget mantras, we *know* what's important, right? But in the meantime let me do a Novena on it, and then pay for a Yagya to be down by the sages in India. I'll put in a fast and some silence while I'm at it. And, I promise you, DO MY PROGRAM. Aren't you forgetting the tarot cards and salt over the shoulder? I've getting a little nervous that well before the week is out, I will find myself approaching twelve o'clock (50 posts), and therefore will leave many of my dear readers frustrated—and imperilled by their ignorance. mz, that is thoughtful of you to consider your many devoted readers here~~but, as the song says, if you post out early, well...WE WILL SURVIVE. (Yes, you are right: this means I WILL continue to post. Whew. Reason? It's that CurtisDeltaBlues fella—if he weren't on this blog I never even would have begun to post—let alone be persuaded to stay with it for a while longer. I like that guy, even though I only know him from his posts—and his music via video.) Curtis is the real deal. But, who knows why? you have decided to put the welcome mat out for me, and believe me, I appreciate it. I can keep my stiletto in my pocket (only used for defensive purposes of course) when writing to you. No tricky stick-handling—or hard body-checks. Yeah, that Maharishi guy, he was SOMETHING ELSE. No one yet has defined him in terms of how he appears in eternity (you know, at the level of the actual: where things get DONE in creation)—like what kind of greeting he got when he went through his dying. No doubt about it, the shrewdest, most hardball, brilliant (in more than an intellectual sense), slyly egotistical, beautiful, seductive human being for two thousand years. Yes, MMY and Jesus~~sooner or later their names will almost certainly become interchangeable. And more stage presence than anyone other than Jesus. But for all this, not a good man, I think. Not, then, loved by God (wherever he is, whatever he's doing). But so far, it seems, my life has pretty much been all about him—and then getting the hate on for him. The best proof of God it seems to me (in this era at least: since we were born) is the very fact of the existence of someone like Maharishi, for, like no one else could—or ever did since Christ—he made you feel: This is It!—he gave me (and you I must believe)—at least in the beginning—the best version of what could be the TRUTH—measured by EXPERIENCE—that was possible. Once he went down (sort of disgracing himself at the end: becoming slightly mad and touched) then there was no one. All of us former initiators are living in the negative or ambivalent (or for some, positive) legacy of Maharishi. We can't help it. It sets us apart from the rest of humanity. A different form I guess of the mark of the beast. To try on another metaphor. About that Turq guy, i am sure he'll put me on my guard soon enough, but given your tacit warning, I think he must be doing a rope-a-dope, because but so far at least, I don't get the feeling he is about to surprise me with a fast uppercut. No blows landed so far. But, based upon your implicit estimation of him, I'll be watching for the knock-out punch. Turq is the real deal too~~he always saves his best for when you're not looking for it. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Sal, My only recent disappointment, with this thread, has been your absence. I'm now, with your help, nearing fulfilment although I'm going to resist any sense of oneness with anyone cause frankly, I just don't have time to respond to all the posts those feelings might create. I may be be sticking my neck out here, we're still in negotiations on his final package, book rights could be an issue, but I think I speak for MZ when I say anyone with as developed a sense of humour as you is welcome on the World Tour. You can consider the chopper a done deal although we will have to speak about the tarot cards, don't forget we're going main stream here. Our demographic is the 99. (you know what I mean) % the TMO has left behind. * * Why not simply have the chopper drop the tarot cards? Two birds and all that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
Samuel L Jackson as Maharishi? That would be badass. Didn't John Goodman loose a good bit of weight? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Battle Of The Saints. C'mon someone HAS to make that movie! Already casting it in my head. So far I've got Samuel L. Jackson playing Maharishi and Margo Martindale (from Dexter and Justified) playing Amma. I considered John Goodman for Bevan but it just didn't work because Goodman is funny. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 27, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I started this thread by stating that there was a sign up in the dome(s) stating that you would lose your badge if you helped a saint. I heard recently that in the office where you go to get your dome badge, there is a sign stating that it's OK to visit saints, but not OK to help them in any way. Amma was just in Iowa this weekend, and there was a good turnout. But not here in Fairfield, which is undoubtedly where her biggest audience is. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
Dear Ravi, Well, I think I will let someone else (good friend that he is) speak on behalf of myselfand who knows? maybe you too. Here's what this very nice fellow saidit's been a while, mind you, since he said it, but I think he still believes the same thingNo, in fact I am sure he does. You there, Ravi? Here goes: Not merely learning about divine things but also experiencing themthat does not come from mere intellectual acquaintance. . . but from loving the things of God and cleaving to them by affection. Fellow-feeling comes from fondness rather than from cognizance, for things understood are in the mind in the mind's own fashion, whereas desire goes out to things as they are in themselves; love would transform us into the very condition of their being. Thus by the settled bent of his affections. . . the lover of divine matters divinely catches their gist. Isn't this Ravi Yogi all over? But (this close friend of mine) also said (not incompatible with previous statement): Truth is a divine thing, a friend more excellent than any human friend. To the consternation and chagrin of a few readers on this blog I happen to believe wholeheartedly in both theselet me call them thisPERCEPTIONS. The lastHi, Raviidea of my friend (It is not exactly an original notion I'd saybut it's the succinctness of the way of it getting said that sticks with me) is, even in a purely psychological sense, germane to our present situation: Everything is provided for in the scheme of the universal cause; nothing can evade it. (Although speaking on behalf of myself, as a victim of your eviscerations of my beliefs and autobiographical confessions, I would have to end with a final quotesame person: Nothing appears more to impugn divine providence in human affairs than the affliction of the innocent.) But let's get serious, Ravi. We both seem more or less unyielding in our own original ways of seeing things, Ravi [my erstwhile Unity Consciousness, your ongoing Self-Realization]. I am happy to leave it at that. This friend, whom I have quoted here, he did teach me (directly and indirectly) more than MMY didalthough nothing in my experience can touch the brilliance, the power, and the joy of those eighteen years when I thought Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (and his Teachingand the context he created inside creation for me to exist and thrive) the functional equivalent of God. Since (in my opinion) Maharishi (and his metaphysical context) went as far as anything could go towards the experience and reality of Heaven itself (inside of oneself I suppose), the fact that in the end he proved to be a charlatanand oh so subtly corrupt through and throughmust mean that he (and his Teaching) was mocking something that WAS real and true (or so I must infer, given the person that I am). Therefore, Ravi, there is a truth (more excellent than any friendor, I would add, any lover) that we will enter into when we go through the experience of death. My reason for posting on this blog, believe it or not, is to prepare myself for just this very non-contingent reality. It's coming up for me, in other words, whether I like it or not. I excepte your Beloved in this; I realize he/she never even got born. That, I have to admit, is a considerable advantage over myself. He/she ain't no afraid of dying either. In any case, I have to conclude that opposition from the Ravi Yogi, why, it's just part of the happy ordeal of getting ready for what I will encounter (and never be fully ready for) when my soul isforciblyseparated from my body. When that famous saint [something I have quoted previous posts] said: Everything is grace, what she meant was that everything that is happening in the universeincluding the decisions made by our own very private free willsand all the suffering and violence and injusticecan be apprehended, if one is given supernaturally this perspective, to be not happening outside of the intention of a Personal Intelligence. Alas, I have not been afforded this sainted viewpoint. But anyhow, Ravi, even this quarrel between us, when I am rendered dumbfounded by your chameleon, protean, quicksilver shifts of mood and thought, isnecessarilypart of this grace. And so, I should be content. And, I think, after this latest exchange (at least when it comes to the happy, merry, infuriating flourishes of one Ravi Yogi), I am. Can we leave it at that, Ravi?I mean with the implicit promise you will not afflict the innocent? Like St Francis, I am more trusting in Sister Death than the whirling dervish Indian engineer who has so tormented [Why, oh why, God?] me since I came onto this blog. But you must NEVER think you have pierced the armour of my unassailable and indefectible personal belief system. Only Mr Death can do that (I have, I know, switched genders). Look, Raviand by golly this is the last time I am going to tell you this: I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG. Simple
[FairfieldLife] Ray Kurzweil and Death
Last night I finally got around to watching Transcendent Man which was in my Netflix queue. It's documentary about inventor and futurist Ray Kruzweil. A few years back a relative gave me a copy of Kurzweil's book Singularity which is much discussed in the film. I never thought much of Kurzweil's ideas though he made a decent synthesizer and did meritorious work for the blind. But his concept of merging man and machine would of course turn off someone who is spiritually inclined. Kurweil has a fear of death and wants to work on stuff to keep him living forever. Personally I don't think he is going to make it. You look at the logarithm he's draw for Singularity and think when it is fully vertical it will fall over. In fact there are already signs of why his theory won't play out. First of all most of society can't keep pace with such development and the folly of fragmentation is beginning to show up. Then we have the corporate wars as companies fight over who owns what. Oh dear, poor Ray. But then as I got to know Ray in the documentary I figured him out: he's like a jazz musician just riffing on ideas. Some of his ideas will work and probably a lot won't. The ones that work got him some where. The rest are pretty much BS. Who cares about details, just be creative. Of course that's what we'd expect of a son of a professional musician and concert master. Those of you who've probably played in orchestras know what I'm talking about and we can see in the film that Kurzweil's father made quite and impression on him. Concert masters (orchestra conductors) can be quite meglomanical. I resonate more with the ideas of Hugo de Garis who is interviewed in the film. I think he has a better idea of where this society is going. But overall the film is an interesting watch and available Watch Instantly on Netflix: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Transcendent_Man/70117003 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117394/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Battle Of The Saints. C'mon someone HAS to make that movie! Already casting it in my head. So far I've got Samuel L. Jackson playing Maharishi and Margo Martindale (from Dexter and Justified) playing Amma. I considered John Goodman for Bevan but it just didn't work because Goodman is funny. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Ed Harris as John Hagelin?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Samuel L Jackson as Maharishi? That would be badass. Maharishi: [shoots the man on the hug line at Amma's] I'm sorry, did I break your concentration? I didn't mean to do that. Please, continue, you were saying something about best intentions. What's the matter? Oh, you were finished! Well, allow me to retort. What does Maharishi Mahesh Yogi look like? Brett: What? Maharishi: What country are you from? Brett: What? What? Wh - ? Maharishi: What ain't no country I've ever heard of. They speak English in What? Brett: What? Maharishi: English, motherfucker, do you speak it? Brett: Yes! Yes! Maharishi: Then you know what I'm sayin'! Brett: Yes! Maharishi: Describe what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi looks like! Brett: What? Maharishi: Say 'what' again. Say 'what' again, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker, say what one more Goddamn time! Brett: He's Indian. Maharishi: Go on! Brett: He's bald. Maharishi: Does he look like a bitch? Brett: What? Maharishi: [Shoots Brett in the shoulder] Does he LOOK like a bitch?! Brett: No! Maharishi: Then why'd you try to fuck him like a bitch, Brett? Brett: I didn't! Maharishi: Yes, you did! Yes, you did, Brett! You tried to fuck him. And Maharishi Mahesh Yogi don't like to be fucked by anybody except Mother Divine. And the occasional groupie. Didn't John Goodman lose a good bit of weight? Another reason he wouldn't work as Bevan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Battle Of The Saints. C'mon someone HAS to make that movie! Already casting it in my head. So far I've got Samuel L. Jackson playing Maharishi and Margo Martindale (from Dexter and Justified) playing Amma. I considered John Goodman for Bevan but it just didn't work because Goodman is funny. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 27, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I started this thread by stating that there was a sign up in the dome(s) stating that you would lose your badge if you helped a saint. I heard recently that in the office where you go to get your dome badge, there is a sign stating that it's OK to visit saints, but not OK to help them in any way. Amma was just in Iowa this weekend, and there was a good turnout. But not here in Fairfield, which is undoubtedly where her biggest audience is. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Circus begins
OMG - another gaffe by a politician!!! authfriend: As Willytex knows, the quote above did not refer to her gaffe (in fact, I said of it, But that's relatively trivial). What the quote referred to was an article about her appalling record of nontrivial falsehoods. So, you don't want to talk about the Barack Obama gaffe machine of nontrivial falsehoods. Yes, I already knew that. I'd say that Obama is a chronic liar AND exceedingly poorly informed. LoL! But, does that matter in a political election? Apparently not, since he may get re-elected. So, why pick on Michele Bachmann? Go figure. We only have a certain number of them and if they are all in Iraq, then it's harder for us to use them in Afghanistan. The real reason it's harder for us to use them in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages. http://tinyurl.com/5fh676 snip It's hard to tell whether Bachmann is just exceedingly poorly informed, or a chronic liar.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
From: RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 9:10:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Sal, My only recent disappointment, with this thread, has been your absence. I'm now, with your help, nearing fulfilment although I'm going to resist any sense of oneness with anyone cause frankly, I just don't have time to respond to all the posts those feelings might create. I may be be sticking my neck out here, we're still in negotiations on his final package, book rights could be an issue, but I think I speak for MZ when I say anyone with as developed a sense of humour as you is welcome on the World Tour. You can consider the chopper a done deal although we will have to speak about the tarot cards, don't forget we're going main stream here. Our demographic is the 99. (you know what I mean) % the TMO has left behind. * * Why not simply have the chopper drop the tarot cards? Two birds and all that. Finally some real ideas. I hope we're not going to have any prior art issues with you when the money starts rollin in. MZ and I have discussed this and we were thinking a little more Mesopotamia adventures, a real deck of cards with pictures of the saints, say; Maharishi as the ace of spades, Amma the Queen of hearts and of course Krishnamurti as the joker. Might even throw WE in as a deuce of something. Anyway, early days.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
On Jun 28, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Bob Price wrote: Sal, My only recent disappointment, with this thread, has been your absence. Bob, I knew that. Which is why I decided to step back in, and not deny anyone the benefit of my posts any longer. Don't thank me, it's nothing. I'm now, with your help, nearing fulfilment although I'm going to resist any sense of oneness with anyone cause frankly, I just don't have time to respond to all the posts those feelings might create. Me neither, considering my huge following on FFL. I may be be sticking my neck out here, we're still in negotiations on his final package, book rights could be an issue, but I think I speak for MZ when I say anyone with as developed a sense of humour as you is welcome on the World Tour. You can consider the chopper a done deal although we will have to speak about the tarot cards, don't forget we're going main stream here. Our demographic is the 99. (you know what I mean) % the TMO has left behind. Left Behind?? Uh, oh... But really, I thought that 00.1% is all we needed. Were we misled? Sal
[FairfieldLife] NO such sign there in domes Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
In a message dated 6/28/2011 12:40:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, waybac...@yahoo.com writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Battle Of The Saints. C'mon someone HAS to make that movie! Already casting it in my head. So far I've got Samuel L. Jackson playing Maharishi and Margo Martindale (from Dexter and Justified) playing Amma. I considered John Goodman for Bevan but it just didn't work because Goodman is funny. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Ed Harris as John Hagelin? To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
My god Sal, am I so out of date? It was 1% when I left in 76 and now you tell me they've gotten it all the way down to 1/10 of 1%. Holy Jamoli. Well, that's just another hundred or two million for us. I was thinking left as juxtaposed to right and behind juxtaposed to front. To use another of these pesky quotes, Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind.-Leonard Cohen. From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 9:54:13 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam On Jun 28, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Bob Price wrote: Sal, My only recent disappointment, with this thread, has been your absence. Bob, I knew that. Which is why I decided to step back in, and not deny anyone the benefit of my posts any longer. Don't thank me, it's nothing. I'm now, with your help, nearing fulfilment although I'm going to resist any sense of oneness with anyone cause frankly, I just don't have time to respond to all the posts those feelings might create. Me neither, considering my huge following on FFL. I may be be sticking my neck out here, we're still in negotiations on his final package, book rights could be an issue, but I think I speak for MZ when I say anyone with as developed a sense of humour as you is welcome on the World Tour. You can consider the chopper a done deal although we will have to speak about the tarot cards, don't forget we're going main stream here. Our demographic is the 99. (you know what I mean) % the TMO has left behind. Left Behind?? Uh, oh... But really, I thought that 00.1% is all we needed. Were we misled? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
That's giving Hagelin a break, but I think Harris could pull it off. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Battle Of The Saints. C'mon someone HAS to make that movie! Already casting it in my head. So far I've got Samuel L. Jackson playing Maharishi and Margo Martindale (from Dexter and Justified) playing Amma. I considered John Goodman for Bevan but it just didn't work because Goodman is funny. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Ed Harris as John Hagelin?
[FairfieldLife] Nokia's last cool phone?
http://mobilementalism.com/2011/06/21/why-the-nokia-n9-left-me-lost-for-words/ I'm afraid the first Windoze phone shall suck compared to N9... : /
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:09 PM, maskedzebra wrote: I am, however, going to ask you to slow down on the tour preparations. That's a pretty big move for this willed introvert (once exuberant performer). Never mind the tour, mz~~could you just do another helicopter drop? That was one of the coolest sights I've ever seen on the MUM campus. That was real, man. It's definitely high time for a repeat. RESPONSE: Yeah, it was inspired (came out of UC, remember). Only trouble was that, as I remember, the letters were dropped not exactly when everyone was emerging from the Domes, but a little before then. This meant the event was not timed perfectly, and even that much of what was dropped was scooped up before (a clarion call from the enlightened man) could be readand the TM reformation put into motion. But Beatle music was blasting loudly, and it was one moment that seemed to be breaking into the mind-locked set in the TMO. I was not up there in the helicopter, howeverI left that to two of my top disciples (by the way, even though I was, I suppose, a cult leader, everyone had total mental freedom to THINK WHATEVER THEY WISHED AND ACT HOWEVER THEY SAW FIT [see how defensive an ex-UC guy can get? Take it easy, MZ]. But upon hearing about the event, there was a kind of burst of happy energy that was still resonatinglet me, try it, Sal:through the universe! But as for a much wished-for repeat, just on principle I would never (and did not when enlightened) repeat anything I did. We'd have to come up with something else. And besides, the sense of silent defeatedness inside the TMOunrecognized, denied as it isis in a pretty advanced state these dayseven as I notice that scientific studies touting TM for reducing tension continue to be published. Defeatedness here means: no chance of enlightenment, no chance of inner permanent happiness, no hovering, no reduction in the inward neurotic existential tension of being a human being, no visible 'Support of Nature' (although that certainly WAS once there), no sense of spiritual romance; no expectation of a wonderful breakthrough in one's spiritual progress, no innocent enthusiasm for TM, growing embarrassment about the personal reputation of Maharishi; faith as a substitute for experienceI am sure you are as familiar with all this as I am, Sal. There's not the same uptight, repressed, trance-like context to arouse and provoke as there was back there in 1983. I had expected the helicopter (and the Beatle music) to create a space for a different kind of initiation. Making Things Personal. But I must get a grip here, Salor I am likely to go off. When I came up with the helicopter drop-off idea, I was still in love with Maharishi, and convinced that the Movement only had to become the beneficiary of my enlightenment. Then we really could go ahead and change the world. (Because of the integration of West and East.) Me and the people who were with me (mostly initiators loyal to MMY) had created out own spiritual context inside the universe, and we were familiar with that universe. It was just the TM universe with a difference: The personal side of reality fused with the impersonal side. Of course in the end in the most profound sense, even this was BS. As I had to discover the hard way. By the way, Maharishi held offfor 6 yearsputting any kind of obstacle in my way, as I continued to do my Western enlightenment thing. Then under the imperative of the law, he was forced to show his handand, I believe against his will, he refused to endorse my enlightenment. Have I gone on too long here, Sal? Gotta watch that unconscious narcissism. For me, there at MUM, THERE'S NOTHING TO STRIKE AT ANYMORE. It's not as if the universe is threatened to be taken over by Bevanbut at one time, in my experience at least, it seemed that MMY and TM and the TMO WAS going to take over the universe. And that helicopter drop-off with the Beatle music blaring was my attempt to infuse soul into this cosmic take-overbefore it was too late. I guess, from what you say here, you were THERE? I was pretty goddamn provocative and fearless in those days. But yes, this was one of the better ideas I hadbut I was, believe it or not, still in love with Maharishi and certain he, secretly, approved of my carrying out this act of celebratory confrontation of his moribund Movement. But if you can guarantee the cash up front, I might consider it. Now you're talking like a true TMer! Forget mantras, we *know* what's important, right? RESPONSE: Look, Sal, the money is going to have to be VERY GOOD indeed to yank me out of my forced seclusion. But yes, the matter of how much money is offered up front and guaranteed, this will be the determinative in whether I give the green light to Bob or not. Money is a kind of poetry as one American writer said. But then
[FairfieldLife] Re: Goddess of Liberty, Texas State Capitol
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... wrote: azgrey: From what I've heard he knows a whole lot more more about those Texas prarie dogs than he lets on... Why are almost all the TM Teacher informants on FFL so prejudiced against certain groups of people? Willy, don't you just hate those TM teachers? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: Nebraska has the Black Hills and the stately buffalo. Iowa's got pigs and rajas. So geography really isn't your thing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Nokia's last cool phone?
On 06/28/2011 11:49 AM, cardemaister wrote: http://mobilementalism.com/2011/06/21/why-the-nokia-n9-left-me-lost-for-words/ I'm afraid the first Windoze phone shall suck compared to N9... : / Meanwhile Android is getting over 500,000 activations a day. http://phandroid.com/2011/06/28/andy-rubin-now-over-50-android-device-activations-per-day/ Nokia should have just gone Android. Phone company narcissism?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Pall Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 7:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: I started this thread by stating that there was a sign up in the dome(s) stating that you would lose your badge if you helped a saint. I heard recently that in the office where you go to get your dome badge, there is a sign stating that it's OK to visit saints, but not OK to help them in any way. Amma was just in Iowa this weekend, and there was a good turnout. A good friend of mine just recently applied for an IA badge and did not see this sign and when he asked about visiting saints, he got a very cold reception. Would you kindly attach a picture of this sign to your post? No can do. Didn't see the sign myself. Was just told about it.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Denise Evans Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:31 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge I don't pretend to understandbut how does one help a saint anyhowexcept for giving $$ perhaps to organization. Things before the program like putting up posters, organizing, etc. Many jobs to do during the program. How did your visit to Amma go? Great. Fun and uplifting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip Turq is the real deal too~~he always saves his best for when you're not looking for it. RESPONSE: You are about the third person who has warned me about the formidable and dangerous (if he should challenge you) Turq, whereas I, in sizing him up from his posts in response to me, have found him unthreatening. MZ, I think you may have missed the irony in the warnings of the other two posters. (Sal, however, is quite serious.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
MZ, I'm walking on sunshine. I'm so pleased that like us other oldies on the blog you're back in action after a goods nights rest. I intentionally avoid the word sleep as I'm hoping you didn't give up all the perks when you DE-enlightened. I'm posting to assure you that there will be no repeats in our upcoming Great Master-less Tour. As tempting as it would be to repeat the previous chopper event we're going LARGE which calls for large ideas. That's why FFL is the place to work out the kinks, think of it as an out of towner before we open on Broadway. So for our chopper event I'm thinking some hybrid of Captain Duvall in Apocalypse Now and Abbie Hoffman at the NYSE. Of course the music won't work, I see you more Bach than Ride of the Valkyries. And course for Abbie's part of throwing US dollars on the exchange floor won't work either. These days, to get any ones attention we'd have to throw so many dollars out we might hurt someone. I'm thinking more Kuwati Dinars or something. We did invade that place didn't we? There must be a few bags stored somewhere. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V92OBNsQgxU Unfortunately I have some bad news although no way a deal breaker. I spoke to our backers. I won't confirm if the Kaplan's are involved. No way on the trailer Bigger than Will Smith's. My God, that was longer than a Manhattan block! They want to assure you though its not the cost (count your fingers) its that so many things could go wrong with the press. If it became an item we'd have follow Will' lead and they just can't see you out there glad handing the great unwashed. I think they may have a point. So we're wondering if the top floor of the Plaza would work? Of course with the assurance that you won't bump into Charlie Sheen is in the hallway brawling with some hookers. MZ, we're going to make mince meat of his tweeter record. http://www.businessinsider.com/will-smith-trailer-2011-5 I loved your insights on money. Have you read Money And The Meaning of Life by Jacob Needleman. Highly recommend. I don't think he's been baptized, but I think he has a firm grip on the old testament. . http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/09/meaning.html From: maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 12:00:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:09 PM, maskedzebra wrote: I am, however, going to ask you to slow down on the tour preparations. That's a pretty big move for this willed introvert (once exuberant performer). Never mind the tour, mz~~could you just do another helicopter drop? That was one of the coolest sights I've ever seen on the MUM campus. That was real, man. It's definitely high time for a repeat. RESPONSE: Yeah, it was inspired (came out of UC, remember). Only trouble was that, as I remember, the letters were dropped not exactly when everyone was emerging from the Domes, but a little before then. This meant the event was not timed perfectly, and even that much of what was dropped was scooped up before (a clarion call from the enlightened man) could be read—and the TM reformation put into motion. But Beatle music was blasting loudly, and it was one moment that seemed to be breaking into the mind-locked set in the TMO. I was not up there in the helicopter, however—I left that to two of my top disciples (by the way, even though I was, I suppose, a cult leader, everyone had total mental freedom to THINK WHATEVER THEY WISHED AND ACT HOWEVER THEY SAW FIT [see how defensive an ex-UC guy can get? Take it easy, MZ]. But upon hearing about the event, there was a kind of burst of happy energy that was still resonating—let me, try it, Sal:—through the universe! But as for a much wished-for repeat, just on principle I would never (and did not when enlightened) repeat anything I did. We'd have to come up with something else. And besides, the sense of silent defeatedness inside the TMO—unrecognized, denied as it is—is in a pretty advanced state these days—even as I notice that scientific studies touting TM for reducing tension continue to be published. Defeatedness here means: no chance of enlightenment, no chance of inner permanent happiness, no hovering, no reduction in the inward neurotic existential tension of being a human being, no visible 'Support of Nature' (although that certainly WAS once there), no sense of spiritual romance; no expectation of a wonderful breakthrough in one's spiritual progress, no innocent enthusiasm for TM, growing embarrassment about the personal reputation of Maharishi; faith as a substitute for experience—I am sure you are as familiar with all this as I am, Sal. There's not the same uptight, repressed, trance-like context to arouse and provoke as there was back
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip Turq is the real deal too~~he always saves his best for when you're not looking for it. RESPONSE: You are about the third person who has warned me about the formidable and dangerous (if he should challenge you) Turq, whereas I, in sizing him up from his posts in response to me, have found him unthreatening. MZ, I think you may have missed the irony in the warnings of the other two posters. (Sal, however, is quite serious.) RESPONSE: I think that pretty much settles this issue, authfriend, as it would be impossible for you to hold to this idea if experience had not confirmed itelse, with such an attitude, you yourself would have been a victim of an ironic truth that you were not in on. And from all that I can tell you seem totally unscathed not someone who, unintentionally, sets themselves up to be mocked. Thanks for the irony-tuning.
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
Thanks Bob for humorous musings, welcome and apologies. Trust me no offense taken, what you say makes sense since I sat on your message for a while and didn't even feel like responding anything. Surely I'm the first one to deserve these cheapshots since I constantly indulge in it as well though I'm pretty shameless. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Ravi, I was wondering when you would get around to me. Actually I was hoping you missed it because I've been feeling a bit ashamed of myself. The Golden Rule is about all I have left and I completely blew it with what can only be viewed as a cheap shot. Sorry for that, sincerely, and thank you for not forgetting me. Oh and I almost forgot. Thank you for figuring out my real name. Bobby, as in up and down. I'm guessing that you've probably considered the possibility that MZ and I could be the same poster. Although if we head down that road possibly MZ is an invention of Turq, which he may have done out of shear boredom. Isn't there a vedic creation myth that says thats what all the creation is? The big guy got bored? Well one thing we know for sure is that I can't write nearly as well as those other two manifestations, or at least punctuate. Anyway I love you man and I'm glad you're here both on the post and in this crazy old creation of MZ's. Om Shanti bro.
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Well, I do not pretend to have achieved the simplicity of this goal...so perhaps an existential leap is required...I have been focused on observing my interactions with the rest of the world and slowing my reactions of late. Sounds good. It is true that I have been reading (to much amusement) many of the posts on this site and I must say that, in some threads, it seems there is much discussion that is mired in debating the semantics of choice for the respective commenters - it reminds me that our brain/ego tends to overcomplicate in its desire to be recognized and then the core message is lost in the distraction of the words. Right again. Did you visit Amma this year in Iowa and what did you come away with? I visited Amma in the Bay area and LA, I will be in Boston as well. It's just a love affair with Ammachi now, a true lover doesn't care for any acknowledgement from his beloved, it's all about giving and sharing my love, I have everything I need now. --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 7:51 PM Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: Snip: ÃÂ Enlightenment is just being oneself, a state of absolute self-love (narcissism as Barry would say) that then extends outwards, the unique expression of divine, the divine admiring its own creation in its unique limited localized manifestation and then all individuals are part of this whole. So, enlightenment is self-love extended to others. ÃÂ (True self-love is not narcissism - narcissism is based on development of a false self to cover up and protect one's real self). ÃÂ Loving self, others, and living in the moment. ÃÂ Doesn't seem too complicated. Â Yes indeed doesn't seem too complicated Denise but it really requires an existential leap to reach this simple utterly relaxed state, at least for me. I realized I had collected so much neurosis, from the society, that I need to be a millionaire with a million dollar wife, million dollar kids and a million dollar car and house to be happy. That I needed to be a model citizen, a model parent, a model child, that I needed to help someone, help suffering people in Sudan, that I had to be a Gandhi, had to be a Teresa, that I had to million things in order to feel happy. To achieve this state, this state where you don't need to do anything, you don't owe anyone anything, to feel that every moment the existence is in a blissful orgasm with you, that the existence is somehow incomplete with you, this state truly requires an existential leap.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: I don't pretend to understandbut how does one help a saint anyhowexcept for giving $$ perhaps to organization. How did your visit to Amma go? - It depends on the Saint. SSRS requires no help. There's no orchestration. Saint Amma, OTOH, requires lots of logistics to handle the multitude, change money in the temple, run the store, help out at initiations, cook and serve food, herd the multitude, get people in position then out of position as quickly as possible for their hug and Ma, Ma. Gotta shine her silver crown and all that stuff. Heck, a visit from Amma makes a visit from the Pope look tame and uneventful. You liar, you don't need to spend a dime to have Amma's darshan.
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip Turq is the real deal too~~he always saves his best for when you're not looking for it. RESPONSE: You are about the third person who has warned me about the formidable and dangerous (if he should challenge you) Turq, whereas I, in sizing him up from his posts in response to me, have found him unthreatening. MZ, I think you may have missed the irony in the warnings of the other two posters. (Sal, however, is quite serious.) RESPONSE: I think that pretty much settles this issue, authfriend, as it would be impossible for you to hold to this idea if experience had not confirmed itelse, with such an attitude, you yourself would have been a victim of an ironic truth that you were not in on. And from all that I can tell you seem totally unscathed not someone who, unintentionally, sets themselves up to be mocked. Thanks for the irony-tuning. MZ, you obviously have not completed your de-enlightenment as you still seem to be rockin' that omniscience thang as confirmed in the uniquely historically valuable website devoted to Ms. Stein maintained by the esteemed journalist Andrew A. Skolnick. http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: Thank you for the great rap on Blues history Curtis. It is interesting, informative, and entertaining. I find it interesting that it was drawn out by the much pilloried maskedzebra. Anytime you want to lay a blues history rap out there, I for one, will relish reading it. One of my favorites, Howlin' Wolf, probably falls outside of your acoustic blues historiography. I recently heard the plaintive wailing of a few bars of Smokestack Lightnin' emanating from my television. I looked up to see it had been appropriated for a Viagra commercial. I briefly felt like I had died a little inside. Different...uh...strokes for different folks. I kinda spring a woodie when I hear Smokestack Lightnin', so the commercial works for me physiologically. :-) I'm sure Rory has filed away that factoid Turq.
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
Thanks for the irony-tuning. azgrey: ...the uniquely historically valuable website devoted to Ms. Stein maintained by the esteemed journalist Andrew A. Skolnick... http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ You can pretty much tell when an informant is in a conversation that is way over their heads when they resort to linking to assholenick's Judy site! Hey, assgrey - you'd be a lot better at being a Judy critic if you'd bother to read the posts of Andrew Skolnick on Usenet *in context*. IF you were not such a prejudiced weasel. But, in fact, Judy thinks that Andrew putting up a web site with quotes is a compliment, because it proves that Andrew could not win a fair debate, so it was his last resort to try and win an argument. LoL! Andrew Skolnick: http://tinyurl.com/3uquuoz
[FairfieldLife] Re: Goddess of Liberty, Texas State Capitol
Why are almost all the TM Teacher informants on FFL so prejudiced against certain groups of people? azgrey: Willy, don't you just hate those TM teachers? Only the lying weasel informants on FFL! Go figure. Well, I figured that if I didn't see your name, 'azgrey' on the TMO approved list of teachers, that you were not one of them, or that you got kicked out. Something tells me you have not been within a thousand miles of a Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge in many years. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. Are you still making those TMO status claims? Let's have some proof you're not just trolling. Rick can smell an impostor like he can smell a fart inside a car.
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: snip RESPONSE: I think that pretty much settles this issue, authfriend, as it would be impossible for you to hold to this idea if experience had not confirmed itelse, with such an attitude, you yourself would have been a victim of an ironic truth that you were not in on. And from all . that I can tell you seem totally unscathed not someone who, unintentionally, sets themselves up to be mocked. Thanks for the irony-tuning. MZ, you obviously have not completed your de-enlightenment as you still seem to be rockin' that omniscience thang as confirmed in the uniquely historically valuable website devoted to Ms. Stein maintained by the esteemed journalist Andrew A. Skolnick. http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ Say, az, did you give up on your project to defend Vaj from my and others' allegation that he was never a TM teacher? It was quite some time ago that you demanded the evidence and I supplied it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Because in reading Catholic philosopherslike AquinasI find myself intuiting the cosmos as they experienced itI sort of read this off of their writing. MZ, I have a question for you. Xeno called attention to the fact that Aquinas late in life had some kind of experience that silenced him and led him to declare, All that I have written seems like straw to me. I'm wondering what you think happened to him. (If you've already commented on this, forgive me; I did a quick search but couldn't find anything.) And I have a hypothetical: Let's say you cut your spiritual teeth on the writings of Aquinas and thorughly internalized his views. You never encountered MMY, knew nothing about him or TM or the Eastern idea of enlightenment. One day in 1976, out of the blue, with no warning, you had the same experience you had on the mountain with MMY that you now refer to as slipping into Unity Consciousness, except that you had no preparation whatsoever and no context (and let's say it didn't last very long, a few hours or days). How would that have affected your take on Aquinas's writings? How long would it have taken you to decide that the experience wasn't real but Aquinas was?
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[FairfieldLife] Aquinas, reconsidered
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Because in reading Catholic philosopherslike AquinasI find myself intuiting the cosmos as they experienced itI sort of read this off of their writing. MZ, I have a question for you. Xeno called attention to the fact that Aquinas late in life had some kind of experience that silenced him and led him to declare, All that I have written seems like straw to me. I'm wondering what you think happened to him. (If you've already commented on this, forgive me; I did a quick search but couldn't find anything.) And I have a hypothetical: Let's say you cut your spiritual teeth on the writings of Aquinas and thorughly internalized his views. You never encountered MMY, knew nothing about him or TM or the Eastern idea of enlightenment. One day in 1976, out of the blue, with no warning, you had the same experience you had on the mountain with MMY that you now refer to as slipping into Unity Consciousness, except that you had no preparation whatsoever and no context (and let's say it didn't last very long, a few hours or days). How would that have affected your take on Aquinas's writings? How long would it have taken you to decide that the experience wasn't real but Aquinas was? Excellent question, Judy. My Catholic girlfriend posed exactly the same question over the weekend when I was trying to explain the whole RC thing and his detailed reply to my question. I'm not expert on Aquinas, but his epiphany what have been similar to that of Malcolm X at Mecca, when he had his own vision of a unity of sorts.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Aquinas, reconsidered
Not to ruin anyones fun or pretend I can do justice to such an excellent question, I'm wondering if we can establish a few ground rules before my boy starts doing any heavy lifting? I mean, we do have high expectations for this out of towner but as mentioned previously its important MZ paces himself. Please feel free to join in anyone. Rule 1 Can we agree that an answer to an excellent hypothetical question, no matter how excellent in itself, can never be more than hypothetical? From: at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brah...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 5:46:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Aquinas, reconsidered --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Because in reading Catholic philosophers—like Aquinas—I find myself intuiting the cosmos as they experienced it—I sort of read this off of their writing. MZ, I have a question for you. Xeno called attention to the fact that Aquinas late in life had some kind of experience that silenced him and led him to declare, All that I have written seems like straw to me. I'm wondering what you think happened to him. (If you've already commented on this, forgive me; I did a quick search but couldn't find anything.) And I have a hypothetical: Let's say you cut your spiritual teeth on the writings of Aquinas and thorughly internalized his views. You never encountered MMY, knew nothing about him or TM or the Eastern idea of enlightenment. One day in 1976, out of the blue, with no warning, you had the same experience you had on the mountain with MMY that you now refer to as slipping into Unity Consciousness, except that you had no preparation whatsoever and no context (and let's say it didn't last very long, a few hours or days). How would that have affected your take on Aquinas's writings? How long would it have taken you to decide that the experience wasn't real but Aquinas was? Excellent question, Judy. My Catholic girlfriend posed exactly the same question over the weekend when I was trying to explain the whole RC thing and his detailed reply to my question. I'm not expert on Aquinas, but his epiphany what have been similar to that of Malcolm X at Mecca, when he had his own vision of a unity of sorts.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
Ravi, I apologize in advance for this and please correct me if I'm wrong, I hate to be thought of as a fink. But I was just looking at the Post Count and I would swear you are listed twice. I don't think this is the same as MZ, Turq and myself being the same poster. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 2:12:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam Thanks Bob for humorous musings, welcome and apologies. Trust me no offense taken, what you say makes sense since I sat on your message for a while and didn't even feel like responding anything. Surely I'm the first one to deserve these cheapshots since I constantly indulge in it as well though I'm pretty shameless. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Ravi, I was wondering when you would get around to me. Actually I was hoping you missed it because I've been feeling a bit ashamed of myself. The Golden Rule is about all I have left and I completely blew it with what can only be viewed as a cheap shot. Sorry for that, sincerely, and thank you for not forgetting me. Oh and I almost forgot. Thank you for figuring out my real name. Bobby, as in up and down. I'm guessing that you've probably considered the possibility that MZ and I could be the same poster. Although if we head down that road possibly MZ is an invention of Turq, which he may have done out of shear boredom. Isn't there a vedic creation myth that says thats what all the creation is? The big guy got bored? Well one thing we know for sure is that I can't write nearly as well as those other two manifestations, or at least punctuate. Anyway I love you man and I'm glad you're here both on the post and in this crazy old creation of MZ's. Om Shanti bro.
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
Are these tricks commonplace on FFL? Just need to know what I'm getting in to. Alternatively, are these accusations commonplace on FFL. Just need to know what I'm getting in to. A Reader beware posting might help clarify. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Ravi, I apologize in advance for this and please correct me if I'm wrong, I hate to be thought of as a fink. But I was just looking at the Post Count and I would swear you are listed twice. I don't think this is the same as MZ, Turq and myself being the same poster. From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 2:12:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam Thanks Bob for humorous musings, welcome and apologies. Trust me no offense taken, what you say makes sense since I sat on your message for a while and didn't even feel like responding anything. Surely I'm the first one to deserve these cheapshots since I constantly indulge in it as well though I'm pretty shameless. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Ravi, I was wondering when you would get around to me. Actually I was hoping you missed it because I've been feeling a bit ashamed of myself. The Golden Rule is about all I have left and I completely blew it with what can only be viewed as a cheap shot. Sorry for that, sincerely, and thank you for not forgetting me. Oh and I almost forgot. Thank you for figuring out my real name. Bobby, as in up and down. I'm guessing that you've probably considered the possibility that MZ and I could be the same poster. Although if we head down that road possibly MZ is an invention of Turq, which he may have done out of shear boredom. Isn't there a vedic creation myth that says thats what all the creation is? The big guy got bored? Well one thing we know for sure is that I can't write nearly as well as those other two manifestations, or at least punctuate. Anyway I love you man and I'm glad you're here both on the post and in this crazy old creation of MZ's. Om Shanti bro.
[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
Ricks sense of balance is questionable, but he defends it unquestioningly. Maybe questioning is a good thing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: Judy gave a URL to an old message ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/71883 ), quoting an excerpt of a book by this Jay Lathom fellow. This Jay's new to me. I stopped reading about spiritual/enlightenment matters after reading *Autobiography of a Yogi* and *Be Here Now*. IME, reading about enlightenment and spiritual matters is about as satisfying compared to experiencing as watching porn is compared to engaging in the real thing. I /think/ the implication was that JL was describing RC's encounter with Maharishi and Maharishi's validation of RC's ?enlightenment?. Am I correct in the assumption? Is Jay Lathom another pseudonym for FFL's latest noodnick, Masked Zebra? With respect to Masked Zebra/RC. I notice that though RC posted out, he's still posting. Shows to go you how Rick never just set this group in motion, hands off, and never, ever provides his slant on things. Rick receives I'm sure, dozens of emails a day yet only certain ones he posts to the group and then only in the spirit of fairness and balance. Yeah. Nabby, there are some things I have to agree with you about.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint -Lose Your BadgeNO SIGN EVER inDOMES
Your request for a picture of a sign is a good one. But then we'd be dealing with facts. Rick's prone to innuendo, not facts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@... wrote: In a message dated 6/27/2011 8:17:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, thomas.pall@... writes: On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Rick Archer _rick@..._ (mailto:rick@...) wrote: I started this thread by stating that there was a sign up in the dome(s) stating that you would lose your badge if you helped a saint. I heard recently that in the office where you go to get your dome badge, there is a sign stating that itâs OK to visit saints, but not OK to help them in any way. Amma was just in Iowa this weekend, and there was a good turnout. A good friend of mine just recently applied for an IA badge and did not see this sign and when he asked about visiting saints, he got a very cold reception. Would you kindly attach a picture of this sign to your post?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint -Lose Your BadgeNO SIGN EVER inDOMES
On Jun 28, 2011, at 8:19 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Your request for a picture of a sign is a good one. But then we'd be dealing with facts. Rick's prone to innuendo, not facts. Um, Dan...Rick hasn't been in the Doom in years. And, like most other people without badges, has no way of getting in. And do you really think with all the paranoia in the TMO they'd let someone take pictures? You ask for evidence that I'm pretty sure you know nobody can supply. Therefore, for you the situation doesn't exist. If that works for you, great. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Ravi, I apologize in advance for this and please correct me if I'm wrong, I hate to be thought of as a fink. But I was just looking at the Post Count and I would swear you are listed twice. I don't think this is the same as MZ, Turq and myself being the same poster. Because this group allows posting with email and IP addresses not disclosed, multiple individuals show up as having the same no_re...@yahoogroups.com email address. Therefore, the Post Count determines individuals not by the email address, but the name next to the email address. Some people have multiple methods of posting to the group that result in multiple names showing up next to their email address, and the post count script treats them as separate individuals. It is the responsibility of people who choose to post with multiple names associated with their email address to add up the post counts of all their names. For people who don't post much, it's not an issue; heavy posters need to keep track of all their separate post counts.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
If my post to Ravi is thought of as anything more than a joke I need more writing practise. From: danfriedman2002 danfriedman2...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 6:13:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam Are these tricks commonplace on FFL? Just need to know what I'm getting in to. Alternatively, are these accusations commonplace on FFL. Just need to know what I'm getting in to. A Reader beware posting might help clarify. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Ravi, I apologize in advance for this and please correct me if I'm wrong, I hate to be thought of as a fink. But I was just looking at the Post Count and I would swear you are listed twice. I don't think this is the same as MZ, Turq and myself being the same poster. From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 2:12:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam Thanks Bob for humorous musings, welcome and apologies. Trust me no offense taken, what you say makes sense since I sat on your message for a while and didn't even feel like responding anything. Surely I'm the first one to deserve these cheapshots since I constantly indulge in it as well though I'm pretty shameless. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Ravi, I was wondering when you would get around to me. Actually I was hoping you missed it because I've been feeling a bit ashamed of myself. The Golden Rule is about all I have left and I completely blew it with what can only be viewed as a cheap shot. Sorry for that, sincerely, and thank you for not forgetting me. Oh and I almost forgot. Thank you for figuring out my real name. Bobby, as in up and down. I'm guessing that you've probably considered the possibility that MZ and I could be the same poster. Although if we head down that road possibly MZ is an invention of Turq, which he may have done out of shear boredom. Isn't there a vedic creation myth that says thats what all the creation is? The big guy got bored? Well one thing we know for sure is that I can't write nearly as well as those other two manifestations, or at least punctuate. Anyway I love you man and I'm glad you're here both on the post and in this crazy old creation of MZ's. Om Shanti bro.
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
Looks like it Bob :-), anyway thanks to Alex for the explanation. Dan - anyone can start playing tricks and making wild accusations here - that's the nature of this list which provides for anonymous posting. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: If my post to Ravi is thought of as anything more than a joke I need more writing practise. From: danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 6:13:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam Are these tricks commonplace on FFL? Just need to know what I'm getting in to. Alternatively, are these accusations commonplace on FFL. Just need to know what I'm getting in to. A Reader beware posting might help clarify. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Ravi, I apologize in advance for this and please correct me if I'm wrong, I hate to be thought of as a fink. But I was just looking at the Post Count and I would swear you are listed twice. I don't think this is the same as MZ, Turq and myself being the same poster. From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 2:12:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam Thanks Bob for humorous musings, welcome and apologies. Trust me no offense taken, what you say makes sense since I sat on your message for a while and didn't even feel like responding anything. Surely I'm the first one to deserve these cheapshots since I constantly indulge in it as well though I'm pretty shameless. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Ravi, I was wondering when you would get around to me. Actually I was hoping you missed it because I've been feeling a bit ashamed of myself. The Golden Rule is about all I have left and I completely blew it with what can only be viewed as a cheap shot. Sorry for that, sincerely, and thank you for not forgetting me. Oh and I almost forgot. Thank you for figuring out my real name. Bobby, as in up and down. I'm guessing that you've probably considered the possibility that MZ and I could be the same poster. Although if we head down that road possibly MZ is an invention of Turq, which he may have done out of shear boredom. Isn't there a vedic creation myth that says thats what all the creation is? The big guy got bored? Well one thing we know for sure is that I can't write nearly as well as those other two manifestations, or at least punctuate. Anyway I love you man and I'm glad you're here both on the post and in this crazy old creation of MZ's. Om Shanti bro.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: Thank you for the great rap on Blues history Curtis. It is interesting, informative, and entertaining. I find it interesting that it was drawn out by the much pilloried maskedzebra. Anytime you want to lay a blues history rap out there, I for one, will relish reading it. One of my favorites, Howlin' Wolf, probably falls outside of your acoustic blues historiography. I recently heard the plaintive wailing of a few bars of Smokestack Lightnin' emanating from my television. I looked up to see it had been appropriated for a Viagra commercial. I briefly felt like I had died a little inside. Different...uh...strokes for different folks. I kinda spring a woodie when I hear Smokestack Lightnin', so the commercial works for me physiologically. :-) I'm sure Rory has filed away that factoid Turq. Um... yeah. I know I filed it away somewhere. I think it was under D for Don't Ask Don't Tell.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint -Lose Your BadgeNO SIGN EVER inDOMES
I'm with Sal on this one Dan. This request is not reasonable. And as far as Rick not coming through with facts, he backed Judith's account for years, was way ahead of the curve, and then the book came out. So I think we can drop the tired innuendo routine now. What Rick is prone to is having an open mind. He has created a place where atheist's can interact with the formerly enlightened as well as the currently whatever. Not too shabby IMO. Although we have come down in different places concerning spirituality, I have respect for the integrity of the process that lead him to his own different conclusions. And if he smells smoke, I'm betting on fire soon to come. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jun 28, 2011, at 8:19 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Your request for a picture of a sign is a good one. But then we'd be dealing with facts. Rick's prone to innuendo, not facts. Um, Dan...Rick hasn't been in the Doom in years. And, like most other people without badges, has no way of getting in. And do you really think with all the paranoia in the TMO they'd let someone take pictures? You ask for evidence that I'm pretty sure you know nobody can supply. Therefore, for you the situation doesn't exist. If that works for you, great. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Well one thing we know for sure is that I can't write nearly as well as those other two manifestations, or at least punctuate. Yea, but you are willing to write in a font size about two sizes smaller than any one else, and that should count for something.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Children of the Night
The research was yanked from online publication at the very last minute (12 minutes to be exact) because new data was submitted that no-one had had time to evaluate. If the data turns out to be neutral or reinforce the findings, then the researchers merely have egg on their face for untimeliness. If, OTOH, the research weakens the conclusions of the study, the researchers have rotten egg on their faces. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... wrote: Vaj: I feel sorry for the children and the soldiers and the cardiac patients they fool... This deception must be vast, judging by the news story in today's Telegraph! But, I'm beginning to think that the research cited by Vaj is the faked research, NOT the TM research mentioned in many peer-reviewed scientific journals. Go figure. In the news: Transcendental meditation, the relaxation technique made famous by the Beatles, can cut heart attack and stroke death rates by up to 50%, new research has found. The practice, which involves the continual repeating of a mantra, was found to reduce high blood pressure, cholesterol and thickening of the arteries. It is also protects against diabetes... Full story: 'Meditation can cut heart attacks by as much as half' By Richard Alleyne The Telegraph, June 28, 2011 http://tinyurl.com/5uqqu39
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: Saint Amma, OTOH, requires lots of logistics to handle the multitude, change money in the temple, run the store, help out at initiations, cook and serve food, herd the multitude, get people in position then out of position as quickly as possible for their hug and Ma, Ma. Gotta shine her silver crown and all that stuff. Heck, a visit from Amma makes a visit from the Pope look tame and uneventful. Accidental Tom. You're focused on the accidental. Find the essential behind the accidental and you will know peace my son. (-:
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... wrote: Thanks for the irony-tuning. azgrey: ...the uniquely historically valuable website devoted to Ms. Stein maintained by the esteemed journalist Andrew A. Skolnick... http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ You can pretty much tell when an informant is in a conversation that is way over their heads when they resort to linking to assholenick's Judy site! Hey, assgrey - you'd be a lot better at being a Judy critic if you'd bother to read the posts of Andrew Skolnick on Usenet *in context*. IF you were not such a prejudiced weasel. But, in fact, Judy thinks that Andrew putting up a web site with quotes is a compliment, because it proves that Andrew could not win a fair debate, so it was his last resort to try and win an argument. LoL! Andrew Skolnick: http://tinyurl.com/3uquuoz Hey, *I* never got my own website, though I did get an honorable mention... L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Not to ruin anyones fun or pretend I can do justice to such an excellent question, I'm wondering if we can establish a few ground rules before my boy starts doing any heavy lifting? I mean, we do have high expectations for this out of towner but as mentioned previously its important MZ paces himself. Please feel free to join in anyone. Rule 1 Can we agree that an answer to an excellent hypothetical question, no matter how excellent in itself, can never be more than hypothetical? Rule 2 Discussions concerning the MZ world tour (hypothetical or otherwise) being arranged by PriceLess Management Inc. will take place offline.
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Are these tricks commonplace on FFL? Just need to know what I'm getting in to. Alternatively, are these accusations commonplace on FFL. Just need to know what I'm getting in to. A Reader beware posting might help clarify. Yes, these tricks are very commonplace. An easy rule of thumb or Cliff Notes to sort out the Dramatis Personae might be, Whatever and whoever I encounter on FFL* -- that too is essentially Only Me, as it arises out of and is made of nothing but a perturbation of My own awareness... *or anywhere else, for that matter (And for Curtis, Turq et al., that's *pertur-*, though verily many a *Master* has also baited or been baited by his- or her own reflection, before remembering that it is all, after all, only the Self playing with itSelf.)
[FairfieldLife] Flood Wall Fails
The flood wall at Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant has failed, but don't worry, everything is fine. Rachel Maddow called attention to a problem that's been brewing at the Fort Calhoun nuclear power plant in Nebraska, on the shores of the Missouri River. The power plant is currently flooding, due to heavy rainfall this season, and errors by plant workers that have broken down the facility's defenses against floods. She called nuclear power the world's most terrifying and consequential means of boiling water, and though that sounds fairly simple, exposed a number of flaws within the Nebraska plant. For now, everything is fine, if occasionally wet at Fort Calhoun, we are told, Maddow said, but noted that the rainy summer could raise the Missouri River the two additional feet it would take to flood the reactor cores. Raw Replay, Rachel Maddow: http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/06/rachel-maddow-explains-scary-n\ uclear-power-plant-flood-in-nebraska/ [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Fh8djQZba50/TgNPbNeyqJI/DM8/GcbpU13iK\ q0/s1600/fort+calhoun+hi+res+june+14th+2011+photo+AP+Nati+Harnik.jpg] Photo of Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant before flood wall failed Video of Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant after flood wall failed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8JqACkhKM4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8JqACkhKM4
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered
From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 7:34:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Not to ruin anyones fun or pretend I can do justice to such an excellent question, I'm wondering if we can establish a few ground rules before my boy starts doing any heavy lifting? I mean, we do have high expectations for this out of towner but as mentioned previously its important MZ paces himself. Please feel free to join in anyone. Rule 1 Can we agree that an answer to an excellent hypothetical question, no matter how excellent in itself, can never be more than hypothetical? Rule 2 Discussions concerning the MZ world tour (hypothetical or otherwise) being arranged by PriceLess Management Inc. will take place offline. Rule 3 Ignore Rule 2 and offer a novena that Rick isn't replaced with someone with no sense of humour. Moniker's a keeper though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: So who is Jay Lathom? Is that a pseudonym?
Dan, just FYI, today is Tuesday, June 28th, 2011. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Ricks sense of balance is questionable, but he defends it unquestioningly. Maybe questioning is a good thing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: Judy gave a URL to an old message ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/71883 ), quoting an excerpt of a book by this Jay Lathom fellow. This Jay's new to me. I stopped reading about spiritual/enlightenment matters after reading *Autobiography of a Yogi* and *Be Here Now*. IME, reading about enlightenment and spiritual matters is about as satisfying compared to experiencing as watching porn is compared to engaging in the real thing. I /think/ the implication was that JL was describing RC's encounter with Maharishi and Maharishi's validation of RC's ?enlightenment?. Am I correct in the assumption? Is Jay Lathom another pseudonym for FFL's latest noodnick, Masked Zebra? With respect to Masked Zebra/RC. I notice that though RC posted out, he's still posting. Shows to go you how Rick never just set this group in motion, hands off, and never, ever provides his slant on things. Rick receives I'm sure, dozens of emails a day yet only certain ones he posts to the group and then only in the spirit of fairness and balance. Yeah. Nabby, there are some things I have to agree with you about.
[FairfieldLife] Voices of the Universe
Put on your headphones and pump up the volume. Walter Ruttmann's famous experimental silent film from 1927, Berlin: Symphony of a Great City. Music by Urmas Sisask: Voices of the Universe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=G_eVwiS_rQo
[FairfieldLife] A Female Maharishi?
Marlese Karlin appears to be saying the same thing as MMY. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFaU0X5U_b4feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Because in reading Catholic philosopherslike AquinasI find myself intuiting the cosmos as they experienced itI sort of read this off of their writing. MZ, I have a question for you. Xeno called attention to the fact that Aquinas late in life had some kind of experience that silenced him and led him to declare, All that I have written seems like straw to me. I'm wondering what you think happened to him. (If you've already commented on this, forgive me; I did a quick search but couldn't find anything.) And I have a hypothetical: Let's say you cut your spiritual teeth on the writings of Aquinas and thorughly internalized his views. You never encountered MMY, knew nothing about him or TM or the Eastern idea of enlightenment. One day in 1976, out of the blue, with no warning, you had the same experience you had on the mountain with MMY that you now refer to as slipping into Unity Consciousness, except that you had no preparation whatsoever and no context (and let's say it didn't last very long, a few hours or days). How would that have affected your take on Aquinas's writings? How long would it have taken you to decide that the experience wasn't real but Aquinas was? Excellent question, Judy. My Catholic girlfriend posed exactly the same question over the weekend when I was trying to explain the whole RC thing and his detailed reply to my question. I'm not expert on Aquinas, but his epiphany what have been similar to that of Malcolm X at Mecca, when he had his own vision of a unity of sorts. It appears that Aquinas experienced a higher form of samadhi which is a result of his meditations both in silence and in his writings. IMO, his experience was a culmination of all his intellectual work and meditations. In vedic terms, he was practicing gyani yoga, which emphasizes the intellect and inquiry in the human mind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: From: authfriend jstein@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 7:34:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Not to ruin anyones fun or pretend I can do justice to such an excellent question, I'm wondering if we can establish a few ground rules before my boy starts doing any heavy lifting? I mean, we do have high expectations for this out of towner but as mentioned previously its important MZ paces himself. Please feel free to join in anyone. Rule 1 Can we agree that an answer to an excellent hypothetical question, no matter how excellent in itself, can never be more than hypothetical? Rule 2 Discussions concerning the MZ world tour (hypothetical or otherwise) being arranged by PriceLess Management Inc. will take place offline. Rule 3 Ignore Rule 2 and offer a novena that Rick isn't replaced with someone with no sense of humour. The first few iterations were funny, honey, but the concept had a limited shelf life. With humor, as with most everything else in life, there's such a thing as reaching the point of diminishing returns. Also, just a general thought to ponder: Sometimes a good sense of humor is defined by what a person *doesn't* find funny. (Sort of a koan, actually.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: another question for MZ, and maybe William of Occam
Dear MZ, my responses below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Dear Ravi, Well, I think I will let someone else (good friend that he is) speak on behalf of myselfand who knows? maybe you too. Here's what this very nice fellow saidit's been a while, mind you, since he said it, but I think he still believes the same thingNo, in fact I am sure he does. You there, Ravi? Here goes: Not merely learning about divine things but also experiencing themthat does not come from mere intellectual acquaintance. . . but from loving the things of God and cleaving to them by affection. Fellow-feeling comes from fondness rather than from cognizance, for things understood are in the mind in the mind's own fashion, whereas desire goes out to things as they are in themselves; love would transform us into the very condition of their being. Thus by the settled bent of his affections. . . the lover of divine matters divinely catches their gist. Isn't this Ravi Yogi all over? Yes. But (this close friend of mine) also said (not incompatible with previous statement): Truth is a divine thing, a friend more excellent than any human friend. To the consternation and chagrin of a few readers on this blog I happen to believe wholeheartedly in both theselet me call them thisPERCEPTIONS. Wow - that has come as a shocker. The lastHi, Raviidea of my friend (It is not exactly an original notion I'd saybut it's the succinctness of the way of it getting said that sticks with me) is, even in a purely psychological sense, germane to our present situation: Everything is provided for in the scheme of the universal cause; nothing can evade it. Perfect !!! (Although speaking on behalf of myself, as a victim of your eviscerations of my beliefs and autobiographical confessions, I would have to end with a final quotesame person: Nothing appears more to impugn divine providence in human affairs than the affliction of the innocent.) Good quote - I have addressed the affliction of the innocent part below. But let's get serious, Ravi. We both seem more or less unyielding in our own original ways of seeing things, Ravi [my erstwhile Unity Consciousness, your ongoing Self-Realization]. I am happy to leave it at that. This friend, whom I have quoted here, he did teach me (directly and indirectly) more than MMY didalthough nothing in my experience can touch the brilliance, the power, and the joy of those eighteen years when I thought Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (and his Teachingand the context he created inside creation for me to exist and thrive) the functional equivalent of God. Since (in my opinion) Maharishi (and his metaphysical context) went as far as anything could go towards the experience and reality of Heaven itself (inside of oneself I suppose), the fact that in the end he proved to be a charlatanand oh so subtly corrupt through and throughmust mean that he (and his Teaching) was mocking something that WAS real and true (or so I must infer, given the person that I am). Therefore, Ravi, there is a truth (more excellent than any friendor, I would add, any lover) that we will enter into when we go through the experience of death. True and I appreciate that as well. My reason for posting on this blog, believe it or not, is to prepare myself for just this very non-contingent reality. It's coming up for me, in other words, whether I like it or not. Good luck with that !! I excepte your Beloved in this; I realize he/she never even got born. That, I have to admit, is a considerable advantage over myself. He/she ain't no afraid of dying either. Beloved is just a metaphor, it doesn't really stand for a thing or a person in particular, I'm not sure if its even personal or impersonal or if its inside or outside of me. In any case, I have to conclude that opposition from the Ravi Yogi, why, it's just part of the happy ordeal of getting ready for what I will encounter (and never be fully ready for) when my soul isforciblyseparated from my body. That's good to know. When that famous saint [something I have quoted previous posts] said: Everything is grace, what she meant was that everything that is happening in the universeincluding the decisions made by our own very private free willsand all the suffering and violence and injusticecan be apprehended, if one is given supernaturally this perspective, to be not happening outside of the intention of a Personal Intelligence. Alas, I have not been afforded this sainted viewpoint. Tough luck. But anyhow, Ravi, even this quarrel between us, when I am rendered dumbfounded by your chameleon, protean, quicksilver shifts of mood and thought, isnecessarilypart of this grace. And so, I should be content. And, I think, after this latest exchange (at least when it comes to the happy, merry, infuriating flourishes of one Ravi Yogi), I am. That's good to know. Can we leave it at that, Ravi? Yes. I mean with the implicit promise you will
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flood Wall Fails
Maddow's faux-ironic delivery has become so affected she's unwatchable. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: The flood wall at Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant has failed, but don't worry, everything is fine. It wasn't a flood wall, it was a big rubber tube filled with water, an extra line of defense outside the main flood barriers. It didn't fail--that's sensationalist language. Fail is what happens when the power of the water is so great it breaches a levee or other barrier. In this case, a worker accidentally punctured the rubber tube. They'll have another one up next week. Rachel Maddow called attention to a problem that's been brewing at the Fort Calhoun nuclear power plant in Nebraska, on the shores of the Missouri River. It isn't a problem that's been brewing. It's a situation that had been anticipated for months, time for many measures to be taken to ensure it didn't *become* a problem. The power plant is currently flooding, due to heavy rainfall this season, and errors by plant workers that have broken down the facility's defenses against floods. One error, the one described above; and what was broken down was an extra line of defense outside the main flood barriers. As noted, they'll have a new one up next week. She called nuclear power the world's most terrifying and consequential means of boiling water, and though that sounds fairly simple, exposed a number of flaws within the Nebraska plant. She didn't expose a thing. Everything she reported has already been covered in detail. And the flaws in question have been remedied. For now, everything is fine, if occasionally wet at Fort Calhoun, we are told, Maddow said, but noted that the rainy summer could raise the Missouri River the two additional feet it would take to flood the reactor cores. But it's not expected to rise that high; and you can't flood the reactor cores anyway; they're completely enclosed. I think Raw Story is to blame for much of this misleading sensationalist language, but Maddow also tried her best to make the situation seem much more dire than it actually is, including by showing lots of footage of the destruction at Fukushima, as if they were comparable. That's not to say the situation couldn't *become* dire if lots of things go wrong. But at this point it's well under control. Raw Replay, Rachel Maddow: http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/06/rachel-maddow-explains-scary-n\ uclear-power-plant-flood-in-nebraska/ [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Fh8djQZba50/TgNPbNeyqJI/DM8/GcbpU13iK\ q0/s1600/fort+calhoun+hi+res+june+14th+2011+photo+AP+Nati+Harnik.jpg] Photo of Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant before flood wall failed Video of Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant after flood wall failed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8JqACkhKM4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8JqACkhKM4
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered
From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 9:24:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: From: authfriend jstein@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 7:34:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas, reconsidered --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Not to ruin anyones fun or pretend I can do justice to such an excellent question, I'm wondering if we can establish a few ground rules before my boy starts doing any heavy lifting? I mean, we do have high expectations for this out of towner but as mentioned previously its important MZ paces himself. Please feel free to join in anyone. Rule 1 Can we agree that an answer to an excellent hypothetical question, no matter how excellent in itself, can never be more than hypothetical? Rule 2 Discussions concerning the MZ world tour (hypothetical or otherwise) being arranged by PriceLess Management Inc. will take place offline. Rule 3 Ignore Rule 2 and offer a novena that Rick isn't replaced with someone with no sense of humour. The first few iterations were funny, honey, but the concept had a limited shelf life. With humor, as with most everything else in life, there's such a thing as reaching the point of diminishing returns. Also, just a general thought to ponder: Sometimes a good sense of humor is defined by what a person *doesn't* find funny. (Sort of a koan, actually.) Do you mean it when you call me honey, I hope so. When you get to me my age you'll know what I mean. These days the girls just seem to look right through me. And thank you for the koan. In all those years with Paul Reps in Kyoto and all that What is Mu music I've never had such clarity. Like a light. In the distance. I hear a train coming. As long as MZ has had time to collect his thoughts, I'm happy. Are you happy, like I said, I hope so.
