[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: It's only a matter of time before Tom Pall creates a couple of well disguised profiles which get approved and he starts posting TM copyrighted materials to take FFL down. Looks like your enlightened shtick has a couple holes in it, Ravi. What happened to the sweetness and light, I love everything and everybody, everyone and everything is my teacher? One could conclude that you're a fraud. Assuming one didn't decide you were ages ago. Sorry I was just kidding Tom, I love ya 'bro.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Unawareness Seminars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Aside from all the flak flying lately on FFL, it has been my observation also that those in the TMO and other orgs and companies do sometimes seem to lack the ability to visualise how they appear to a supposedly normative group of people outside their fold. Absolutely. There is often an absolute inability to not only see themselves from a different POV, but to accept that such a different POV could even legitimately exist. Some things in the TMO would appear absolutely bizarre to such a group. They certainly appeared bizarre to me, even when I was part of it. :-) Maybe we all have such a blind spot, but conceptual flexibility and the ability to imagine other points of view, even if you think those points of view are nuts is probably a plus. I agree. snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: This latest round of TMers claiming that they have been personally insulted by someone criticizing or making fun of their teacher or their path has caused me to think back to my time in the TM movement. Those memories are full of people -- my fellow TM teachers -- making all *sorts* of jokes about and poking fun at Maharishi, TM, the hours we spent on program, our completely artificial way of speaking in SIMS-speak and, most of all, ourselves. People back then weren't so *touchy*. We had senses of humor. We could *laugh* about ourselves, and the silly thing we'd gotten ourselves involved with. So WTF happened? I think that part of it is that *over time* many people became self unaware. That is, they got so completely immersed in the cult that they became incapable of seeing themselves the way that someone outside the cult might see them. There was a kind of homogenized self- referentiality about always hanging with people who believed the same things that you did and dressed the same way that you did and said the same things you did and...well...you get the point. It's as if people lost the ability to discriminate between themselves and the beliefs or people (spiritual teachers) or lifestyles they had attached themselves to. Criticize one of these things, and the self-unaware types react as if you had criticized *them*. The fascinating thing is that I don't see this inability to see oneself in context in spiritual seekers who only signed on to their spiritual trip for shorter periods of time. I think that the rigidity and the loss of the ability to laugh at oneself and one's spiritual trip may be something that accrues over time -- many years or decades. What about it, you long-timers out there? Don't you remember being able to make jokes about Maharishi or TM or ourselves and the silly things we believed and did in rooms full of other TBs...and have everyone laugh? I sure do. So WTF happened? If you have theories other than my stayed too long at the party theory, I'd love to hear them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Unawareness Seminars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: This group group is hardly representative of the TM population living in Fairfield, IA, letalone the TM population worldwide. Anyone who stays on a group like this has issues with TM, one way or the other. * * I am just here for the Love :-) No issues with TM here either.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maybe this world is another planet's Hell
Maybe Fairfield Life is what happens karmically to Off The Program TMers. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: http://www.huxley.net/ah/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afflictive Emotions, part 3 - the example
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Did you even bother to check if the poor lady below [in the story I told about M] had any medical problems? Ravi, if you are suggesting that someone who obsesses on one person for years and goes out of her way to not only badmouth that person every time she sees an oppor- tunity to do so but actively tries to get others to do the same thing just might have some medical or sanity issues, I completely agree with you. Barry - You know damn well I wasn't talking about Judy but I guess you couldn't resist twisting my message to target her :-). But your suggestions apply to you equally as well.
[FairfieldLife] Hearing/counting the interference??
I have a fairly good sense of rhythm but am rather tone deaf. (In mantra meditation that might be a disadvantage??) Been trying to train my ear using a program like this: http://www.playpianotoday.com/piano-lessons-ear-training-101-online_demo.html Have noticed that usually get somewhat better results with the chord mode. It seems to me the only explanation might be that I can subconsciously count the interference between those notes. The interference, of course, is much more easily audible in the chord mode...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hearing/counting the interference??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: I have a fairly good sense of rhythm but am rather tone deaf. (In mantra meditation that might be a disadvantage??) Been trying to train my ear using a program like this: http://www.playpianotoday.com/piano-lessons-ear-training-101-online_demo.html Have noticed that usually get somewhat better results with the chord mode. It seems to me the only explanation might be that I can subconsciously count the interference between those notes. The interference, of course, is much more easily audible in the chord mode... Well, I have the commercial(?) version of that program. Dunno whether that demo version is older or newer. Anyhoo, the notes in the melody mode have a shorter pause between them in that demo, so the interference can be heard more clearly than in my own version...
[FairfieldLife] Did Starship Troopers predict the future?
Here's a good Cracked article about a campy anti-war movie about a race from a distant, desert land, who out of nowhere strikes a civilian target in a way we didn't think was possible, leading to heavy-handed patriotic propaganda, and a headlong rush into a war with a poorly thought-out strategy that results in a quagmire. You don't have to agree with the message to get that it's clearly a satirical send-up of the War on Terror. If anything, it's too on-the-nose. What's that, you say? The movie was made in 1997, four years before 9/11? Hmmm. That is a problem. http://www.cracked.com/article_19259_6-mind-blowing-ways-starship-troopers-predicted-future.html#ixzz1Ry0Kwi00
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afflictive Emotions, part 3 - the example
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Did you even bother to check if the poor lady below [in the story I told about M] had any medical problems? Ravi, if you are suggesting that someone who obsesses on one person for years and goes out of her way to not only badmouth that person every time she sees an oppor- tunity to do so but actively tries to get others to do the same thing just might have some medical or sanity issues, I completely agree with you. Barry - You know damn well I wasn't talking about Judy but I guess you couldn't resist twisting my message to target her :-). Ravi, please see the note I inserted in brackets in your original quote. I was clearly referring to Martha, the M of my story. What made you think I was referring to Judy? That's a pretty insulting interpretation on your part, isn't it? It's almost like claiming that a generic rap about trends one sees on the Internet as a whole is really about you personally. For example, if I were to write about a trend in so-called spiritual groups to claim realization but then act like a real dick -- far more attached and reactive than ordinary people, much less the descriptions of realized people we've been given by history -- I could be writing about *dozens* of people, on many different forums. To think I was singling out just one person in particular, or just a few on one forum, seems to me to be an exercise in narcissism and self-importance, not true seeing. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Electric Sun hypothesis!
http://www.electric-cosmos.org/sun.htm The Sun may be powered, not from within itself, but from outside, by the electric (Birkeland) currents that flow in our arm of our galaxy as they do in all galaxies. This possibility that the Sun may be exernally powered by its galactic environment is the most speculative idea in the ES hypothesis and is always attacked by critics while they ignore all the other explanatory properties of the ES model. In the Plasma Universe model, these cosmic sized, low-density currents create the galaxies and the stars within those galaxies by the electromagnetic z-pinch effect. It is only a small extrapolation to ask whether these currents remain to power those stars. Galactic currents are of low current density, but, because the sizes of the stars are large, the total current (Amperage) is high. The Sun's radiated power at any instant is due to the energy imparted by that amperage. As the Sun moves around the galactic center it may come into regions of higher or lower current density and so its output may vary both periodically and randomly.
[FairfieldLife] Bad news for us Nokia share holders?
http://www.rttnews.com/Content/QuickFacts.aspx?Node=B1Id=1663340 RTTNews) - According to the information received by Nokia Corp. (NOK: News ), the holdings of Dodge Cox Incorporated in Nokia Corporation exceeded 5 % of the share capital of Nokia. On July 5, 2011, the holdings of Dodge Cox Incorporated in Nokia, held both in ADRs and ordinary shares, amounted to a total of 188 448 566 Nokia shares, corresponding to about 5.03 % of the total number of shares and voting rights of Nokia. This announcement is distributed by Thomson Reuters on behalf of Thomson Reuters clients.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afflictive Emotions, part 3 - the example
How disingenuous of you Barry. Ravi, and the rest of us are clued in enough to see that after thousands of posts of yours criticizing Judy, you were OBVIOUSLY referring to her. That's one downside with your narcissism, you think you are clever enough to hide your transparent motives. Not. You are also a sucker for reverse psychology - lol. (think about that one a little...). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Did you even bother to check if the poor lady below [in the story I told about M] had any medical problems? Ravi, if you are suggesting that someone who obsesses on one person for years and goes out of her way to not only badmouth that person every time she sees an oppor- tunity to do so but actively tries to get others to do the same thing just might have some medical or sanity issues, I completely agree with you. Barry - You know damn well I wasn't talking about Judy but I guess you couldn't resist twisting my message to target her :-). Ravi, please see the note I inserted in brackets in your original quote. I was clearly referring to Martha, the M of my story. What made you think I was referring to Judy? That's a pretty insulting interpretation on your part, isn't it? It's almost like claiming that a generic rap about trends one sees on the Internet as a whole is really about you personally. For example, if I were to write about a trend in so-called spiritual groups to claim realization but then act like a real dick -- far more attached and reactive than ordinary people, much less the descriptions of realized people we've been given by history -- I could be writing about *dozens* of people, on many different forums. To think I was singling out just one person in particular, or just a few on one forum, seems to me to be an exercise in narcissism and self-importance, not true seeing. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afflictive Emotions, part 3 - the example
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: How disingenuous of you Barry. Ravi, and the rest of us are clued in enough to see that after thousands of posts of yours criticizing Judy, you were OBVIOUSLY referring to her. That's one downside with your narcissism, you think you are clever enough to hide your transparent motives. Not. You are also a sucker for reverse psychology - lol. (think about that one a little...). Speaking of suckers and reverse psychology, aren't you going to suggest that I was really writing about you in my last paragraph? :-) :-) :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Did you even bother to check if the poor lady below [in the story I told about M] had any medical problems? Ravi, if you are suggesting that someone who obsesses on one person for years and goes out of her way to not only badmouth that person every time she sees an oppor- tunity to do so but actively tries to get others to do the same thing just might have some medical or sanity issues, I completely agree with you. Barry - You know damn well I wasn't talking about Judy but I guess you couldn't resist twisting my message to target her :-). Ravi, please see the note I inserted in brackets in your original quote. I was clearly referring to Martha, the M of my story. What made you think I was referring to Judy? That's a pretty insulting interpretation on your part, isn't it? It's almost like claiming that a generic rap about trends one sees on the Internet as a whole is really about you personally. For example, if I were to write about a trend in so-called spiritual groups to claim realization but then act like a real dick -- far more attached and reactive than ordinary people, much less the descriptions of realized people we've been given by history -- I could be writing about *dozens* of people, on many different forums. To think I was singling out just one person in particular, or just a few on one forum, seems to me to be an exercise in narcissism and self-importance, not true seeing. Just sayin'...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: It's only a matter of time before Tom Pall creates a couple of well disguised profiles which get approved and he starts posting TM copyrighted materials to take FFL down. Looks like your enlightened shtick has a couple holes in it, Ravi. What happened to the sweetness and light, I love everything and everybody, everyone and everything is my teacher? One could conclude that you're a fraud. Assuming one didn't decide you were ages ago. Sorry I was just kidding Tom, I love ya 'bro. Good to hear that it was just a prolonged joke. Never enlightened after all, eh? Just exercising your sense of humor? Welcome back to planet Earth, Ravi. Now why don't you and your fellow pretenders go eat shit and die?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Political Maneuvering by Republicans
Of course it is posturing. Both parties do this, and the Republicans always blame Democrats for excessive expenditures and raising taxes, so why is this new? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: A Republican senator has a plan to let President Obama raise the debt limit. This is called posturing to gain a political advantage. Now, they can blame the Democrats for raising taxes and failing to cut expenditures. IMO, most Americans can see through this charade. In the meantime, we're all stuck in paying for the bills. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/fury-mcconnell-outlines-plan-obama-raise-debt-ceiling-204213811.html;_ylt=AvfjfT4doJ9MDCSFBfMUuOGZCMZ_;_ylu=X3oDMTNzZzU0NnRwBHBrZwNhNjBkZWEyYS1hNWQ1LTNlNmQtYTA1OS00YzEzNmYzNzdiNjkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA0ZlYXR1cmVkIEJsb2cgVGhlIFVwc2hvdCBOZXR3b3JrBHZlcgNlY2I2MTlmMC1hY2ZmLTExZTAtYmY3Yi0zMWYxYTZiZTdkM2Y-;_ylg=X3oDMTM3ZDFnbGxnBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDMmJjMzcxMjUtZmZkYS0zOWM1LTlkNDQtYjI2MGQyZWQ1MjY3BHBzdGNhdANvcmlnaW5hbHN8dGhlbG9va291dARwdANzdG9yeXBhZ2U-;_ylv=3
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: Looks like your enlightened shtick has a couple holes in it, Ravi. What happened to the sweetness and light, I love everything and everybody, everyone and everything is my teacher? One could conclude that you're a fraud. Assuming one didn't decide you were ages ago. Sorry I was just kidding Tom, I love ya 'bro. Good to hear that it was just a prolonged joke. Never enlightened after all, eh? Just exercising your sense of humor? Welcome back to planet Earth, Ravi. Now why don't you and your fellow pretenders go eat shit and die? This opens up a whole range of philosophical possibilities. We know that -- according to Maharishi -- if one dies in CC without attaining either GC or UC, it's Game Over, Man. Drop merging with the ocean, and the whole bit. No next life for the mere CC'ers, and never any chance to realize any higher states of consciousness, ever, because there won't be any future incarnations in which to do it. You're off the wheel, whether you want to be or not. But what happens when a pretend CC'er kicks the bucket? Since he was never much of an ocean to begin with, does he stay a drop? Does he reincarnate on a higher plane in his next life as a result of all the playacting, or a lower one? And what part does the eating shit play in all of this? Do the pretend CC'ers merge with an ocean of shit? Or does eating shit mitigate all the moodmaking and lying at the last minute -- like a kind of culinary deathbed conversion -- and help to ensure a birth on at least the same plane as the current incarnation? Or does it just prepare one for the scenery and smells of hell? Does the smell of shit on one's breath scare off the really gnarly demons in the Bardo, or attract them? Curious minds want to know, Tom. I know you're a font of information about esoteric teachings such as this, so help me out here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
Richard, Thanks for the background. I too was shocked to find that a FFL Member had Googled my wife and reported the results back to FFL. I too am independent of financial impacts; it's just that I find it so disappointing, when the Forum was established to share our thoughts, that this mischief destroys the trust that should underlie that exchange. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... wrote: danfriedman: Your promise to stop mentioning me in your posts means nothing to you. I continue to find your posts offensive and intentionally provacative... There are at least three informants here that you need to watch, Dan - one gave out my real name (a year after I posted it on Usenet). LoL! Another one actually went on the WWW to my place of employ and gave out the address and made fun of a photo of me (without posting a photo of himself). LoL! There are a few dangerous characters that lurk here. Doesn't matter to me anymore since I'm retired now and fully vested. All my writing stuff is public now for anyone to see. In my opinion, anyone posting here anonymously is pretty much a troll and not being really totally honest.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afflictive Emotions, part 3 - the example
Quit trying to flirt with me dude. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: How disingenuous of you Barry. Ravi, and the rest of us are clued in enough to see that after thousands of posts of yours criticizing Judy, you were OBVIOUSLY referring to her. That's one downside with your narcissism, you think you are clever enough to hide your transparent motives. Not. You are also a sucker for reverse psychology - lol. (think about that one a little...). Speaking of suckers and reverse psychology, aren't you going to suggest that I was really writing about you in my last paragraph? :-) :-) :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Did you even bother to check if the poor lady below [in the story I told about M] had any medical problems? Ravi, if you are suggesting that someone who obsesses on one person for years and goes out of her way to not only badmouth that person every time she sees an oppor- tunity to do so but actively tries to get others to do the same thing just might have some medical or sanity issues, I completely agree with you. Barry - You know damn well I wasn't talking about Judy but I guess you couldn't resist twisting my message to target her :-). Ravi, please see the note I inserted in brackets in your original quote. I was clearly referring to Martha, the M of my story. What made you think I was referring to Judy? That's a pretty insulting interpretation on your part, isn't it? It's almost like claiming that a generic rap about trends one sees on the Internet as a whole is really about you personally. For example, if I were to write about a trend in so-called spiritual groups to claim realization but then act like a real dick -- far more attached and reactive than ordinary people, much less the descriptions of realized people we've been given by history -- I could be writing about *dozens* of people, on many different forums. To think I was singling out just one person in particular, or just a few on one forum, seems to me to be an exercise in narcissism and self-importance, not true seeing. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
Turq, Again, I remind you that you promised to stop using me in your disgusting posts. I arrived to FFL with an open mind. Your first of many posts in response were disgusting (mostly talk of your penis). I found that offensive. Just stop. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Quite understandable. A member of FFL got a hold of my spouse´s email address and sent a distastful email to her. I believe that spouses and children are offbounds. Ahem. Not quite true. What happened is that YOU posted to FFL, stupidly using your wife's ID. I replied to it, thinking I was writing to you, and it went to her instead. Dan arrived at FFL, and like many newbs started bossing everyone around and trying to tell them what they should be able to say and not say, and calling for the forum to be moderated to be more the way HE wanted it to be. I called him on it, that's all. He then went more than a little crazy. You can find examples of this in early posts of his on this forum. I found him pompous and boring then, and nothing has changed my opinion of him since. I rarely interact with him at all. But I thought I'd drop in to clear up his attempt at misinformation above. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 12:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement I didn't follow this thread. So, what did Bevan say that they wanted removed? -Buck His public announcement of the fact that King Tony has a wife and children.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
On Jul 13, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Tom Pall wrote: Good to hear that it was just a prolonged joke. Never enlightened after all, eh? Just exercising your sense of humor? Welcome back to planet Earth, Ravi. Now why don't you and your fellow pretenders go eat shit and die? Couldn't they just eat garlic and onions instead? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Across The Universe - Maharishi, The Beatles, Mike Love, Donovan in Rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnLkNl2dplo Damn - I followed this link but didn't take the time to view it and bookmarked it to watch at my leisure. Now I see it's been terminated due to copyright infringement. However, I came across this John Lennon song which had completely escaped my notice until now. Quite cute too. The Beatles - The Happy Rishikesh Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnHaHFOSnwI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Richard, Thanks for the background. I too was shocked to find that a FFL Member had Googled my wife and reported the results back to FFL. Ahem. It may be good to roll back time machine and remind folks that *Dan* was the person who started his posting career at FFL by trying to get Rick and others to reveal to him the names of anonymous posters whose opinions he didn't like. But when Alex does what any Internet user can do and looks up the real name associated with his wife's email ID, he's shocked. Not only a drama queen, but a hypocrite. 5/20/2008: FFL seems to be a mixed place. I think I'll be doing my sharing in the real world, where I can see who's speaking. 5/21/2008: Can you let me know your town. 5/23/2008: You repeadedly request that I live in the real world, yet never respond to my request that you provide your whereabouts. 5/23/2008: You still display those big balls. Why won't you let us know where you are. 1/20/2011 (after Rick forwards an anonymous post): Rick, I am following this post with interest. When you posted this, did you understand that you were shilling for an anonymous poster, who's written a letter that's hateful, but isn't standing behind it? Did you read the innuendo? Did you see the self promotion of the author? What did you see here? In my opinion it's a nasty letter. Who is the author? 1/20/2011: The author himself refers to his cynical tirade, so I guess he or she didn't write what you call some valuable observations in a humorous, ironic way. Why post it without identifying the source? I'd like to know who is posting a cynical tirade when I read one. 1/20/2011: For clarification: I attempted to have an author associated with the post. Probably a good idea for all posts to have attribution, so there is not an an annonymous rash of posts. 1/20/2011: in my opinion, the annonymous post defames a group. 1/20/2011: I live in a world where anonymous letters defaming groups exists. I am trying to change those acts that I come across 1/20/2011: Who said anything about the ANONYMOUS WRITER defaming me? He's defaming gurus anonymously. 1/20/2011: As I've repeatedly written, I believe that attack letters should name the attacker. 1/21/2011: A secret ballot, or protecting the freedom of the press, is a far cry from hurling insults or accusations anonymously and your grievance is endorsed by the moderator. Not every request for authorship is an attack on Democracy. 1/22/2011: I think it is reasonable to have a name associated with the defamation of any group. In this case I am shocked to see a Group Moderator do the posting, repeatedly support the anonymity, and provide his endorsement by affixing a subject line which reads: Wise thoughts from a psychologist. ...etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
So, when does your vacation end? Pretty obvious from this post that you've got wy too much time on your hands. Sick of the Netherlands already? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Richard, Thanks for the background. I too was shocked to find that a FFL Member had Googled my wife and reported the results back to FFL. Ahem. It may be good to roll back time machine and remind folks that *Dan* was the person who started his posting career at FFL by trying to get Rick and others to reveal to him the names of anonymous posters whose opinions he didn't like. But when Alex does what any Internet user can do and looks up the real name associated with his wife's email ID, he's shocked. Not only a drama queen, but a hypocrite. 5/20/2008: FFL seems to be a mixed place. I think I'll be doing my sharing in the real world, where I can see who's speaking. 5/21/2008: Can you let me know your town. 5/23/2008: You repeadedly request that I live in the real world, yet never respond to my request that you provide your whereabouts. 5/23/2008: You still display those big balls. Why won't you let us know where you are. 1/20/2011 (after Rick forwards an anonymous post): Rick, I am following this post with interest. When you posted this, did you understand that you were shilling for an anonymous poster, who's written a letter that's hateful, but isn't standing behind it? Did you read the innuendo? Did you see the self promotion of the author? What did you see here? In my opinion it's a nasty letter. Who is the author? 1/20/2011: The author himself refers to his cynical tirade, so I guess he or she didn't write what you call some valuable observations in a humorous, ironic way. Why post it without identifying the source? I'd like to know who is posting a cynical tirade when I read one. 1/20/2011: For clarification: I attempted to have an author associated with the post. Probably a good idea for all posts to have attribution, so there is not an an annonymous rash of posts. 1/20/2011: in my opinion, the annonymous post defames a group. 1/20/2011: I live in a world where anonymous letters defaming groups exists. I am trying to change those acts that I come across 1/20/2011: Who said anything about the ANONYMOUS WRITER defaming me? He's defaming gurus anonymously. 1/20/2011: As I've repeatedly written, I believe that attack letters should name the attacker. 1/21/2011: A secret ballot, or protecting the freedom of the press, is a far cry from hurling insults or accusations anonymously and your grievance is endorsed by the moderator. Not every request for authorship is an attack on Democracy. 1/22/2011: I think it is reasonable to have a name associated with the defamation of any group. In this case I am shocked to see a Group Moderator do the posting, repeatedly support the anonymity, and provide his endorsement by affixing a subject line which reads: Wise thoughts from a psychologist. ...etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
You're wrong on that, actually. Dan began posting here before that, only to be attacked by you for no reason at all after just one or two inoffensive posts. You mocked and ridiculed him. You tend to do this when any new person appears here. Are you aware of this rather unpleasant behavior on your part? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Richard, Thanks for the background. I too was shocked to find that a FFL Member had Googled my wife and reported the results back to FFL. Ahem. It may be good to roll back time machine and remind folks that *Dan* was the person who started his posting career at FFL by trying to get Rick and others to reveal to him the names of anonymous posters whose opinions he didn't like. But when Alex does what any Internet user can do and looks up the real name associated with his wife's email ID, he's shocked. Not only a drama queen, but a hypocrite. 5/20/2008: FFL seems to be a mixed place. I think I'll be doing my sharing in the real world, where I can see who's speaking. 5/21/2008: Can you let me know your town. 5/23/2008: You repeadedly request that I live in the real world, yet never respond to my request that you provide your whereabouts. 5/23/2008: You still display those big balls. Why won't you let us know where you are. 1/20/2011 (after Rick forwards an anonymous post): Rick, I am following this post with interest. When you posted this, did you understand that you were shilling for an anonymous poster, who's written a letter that's hateful, but isn't standing behind it? Did you read the innuendo? Did you see the self promotion of the author? What did you see here? In my opinion it's a nasty letter. Who is the author? 1/20/2011: The author himself refers to his cynical tirade, so I guess he or she didn't write what you call some valuable observations in a humorous, ironic way. Why post it without identifying the source? I'd like to know who is posting a cynical tirade when I read one. 1/20/2011: For clarification: I attempted to have an author associated with the post. Probably a good idea for all posts to have attribution, so there is not an an annonymous rash of posts. 1/20/2011: in my opinion, the annonymous post defames a group. 1/20/2011: I live in a world where anonymous letters defaming groups exists. I am trying to change those acts that I come across 1/20/2011: Who said anything about the ANONYMOUS WRITER defaming me? He's defaming gurus anonymously. 1/20/2011: As I've repeatedly written, I believe that attack letters should name the attacker. 1/21/2011: A secret ballot, or protecting the freedom of the press, is a far cry from hurling insults or accusations anonymously and your grievance is endorsed by the moderator. Not every request for authorship is an attack on Democracy. 1/22/2011: I think it is reasonable to have a name associated with the defamation of any group. In this case I am shocked to see a Group Moderator do the posting, repeatedly support the anonymity, and provide his endorsement by affixing a subject line which reads: Wise thoughts from a psychologist. ...etc.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:25 AM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: 1/20/2011 (after Rick forwards an anonymous post): Rick, I am following this post with interest. When you posted this, did you understand that you were shilling for an anonymous poster, who's written a letter that's hateful, but isn't standing behind it? Did you read the innuendo? Did you see the self promotion of the author? No, I don't. Which self is an anonymous promoter promoting? What did you see here? In my opinion it's a nasty letter. Who is the author?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electric Sun hypothesis!
Cardemaister, this is probably not correct. These Birkeland currents are found in the sun, and in the earth's magnetosphere but the sun is powered by atomic fusion of hydrogen into helium. This process requires an incredible amount of energy to sustain, but that energy is provided by gravitation, a result of the relationship of the sun's mass and time-space. The Birkeland currents by themselves are too weak to supply this amount of energy; their presence in the sun are the result of the gravitationally powered fusion engine. If the currents in interstellar space were powerful enough to do this, they would have considerably more observable effect than they do, perhaps incinerate the Earth. The Sun's output does vary slightly but over time (about 0.1% to 0.2%); over the last four billion years, there is evidence it has been getting hotter by about 30% as the chemical composition changes and hydrogen is converted into helium. At the moment this plasma current hypothesis would be considered a fringe idea in cosmology. It is not a small extrapolation to ask whether such currents remain to power stars, but a huge extrapolation. It takes very little energy to ask questions like this however. Here is an interesting forum discussion about this issue: http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=186306 By the way the word cardemaister is interesting. A carde (french) is a machine for untangling fibres of wool prior to spinning. You are a master of untangling threads? That would seem to be one of the things you engage in here, with your translations and clarifications of Sanskrit. Did I get this right, or am I just completely off the track here? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: http://www.electric-cosmos.org/sun.htm The Sun may be powered, not from within itself, but from outside, by the electric (Birkeland) currents that flow in our arm of our galaxy as they do in all galaxies. This possibility that the Sun may be exernally powered by its galactic environment is the most speculative idea in the ES hypothesis and is always attacked by critics while they ignore all the other explanatory properties of the ES model. In the Plasma Universe model, these cosmic sized, low-density currents create the galaxies and the stars within those galaxies by the electromagnetic z-pinch effect. It is only a small extrapolation to ask whether these currents remain to power those stars. Galactic currents are of low current density, but, because the sizes of the stars are large, the total current (Amperage) is high. The Sun's radiated power at any instant is due to the energy imparted by that amperage. As the Sun moves around the galactic center it may come into regions of higher or lower current density and so its output may vary both periodically and randomly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Unawareness Seminars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: This group group is hardly representative of the TM population living in Fairfield, IA, letalone the TM population worldwide. Anyone who stays on a group like this has issues with TM, one way or the other. * * I am just here for the Love :-) No issues with TM here either. Of *course* snort... L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hearing/counting the interference??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: I have a fairly good sense of rhythm but am rather tone deaf. (In mantra meditation that might be a disadvantage??) Been trying to train my ear using a program like this: http://www.playpianotoday.com/piano-lessons-ear-training-101-online_demo.html Have noticed that usually get somewhat better results with the chord mode. It seems to me the only explanation might be that I can subconsciously count the interference between those notes. The interference, of course, is much more easily audible in the chord mode... Practice tuning a musical instrument: at first, you can use an electronic device to provide feedback when you get it in tune, and later you can forgo that crutch and only use a tuning fork (physical or electronic). While true perfect pitch is extremely rare, many professional level musicians learn to remember A440 or some other specific tone and can identify that specific tone when they hear it. Apparently practicing tuning thousands of times a year for 50 years or so trains the ear (for some unknown reason). L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Starship Troopers predict the future?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Here's a good Cracked article about a campy anti-war movie about a race from a distant, desert land, who out of nowhere strikes a civilian target in a way we didn't think was possible, leading to heavy-handed patriotic propaganda, and a headlong rush into a war with a poorly thought-out strategy that results in a quagmire. You don't have to agree with the message to get that it's clearly a satirical send-up of the War on Terror. If anything, it's too on-the-nose. What's that, you say? The movie was made in 1997, four years before 9/11? Hmmm. That is a problem. http://www.cracked.com/article_19259_6-mind-blowing-ways-starship-troopers-predicted-future.html#ixzz1Ry0Kwi00 Well, Starship Troopers, the book, was around many decades before 9/11, and was actually pro military, overall. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electric Sun hypothesis!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: http://www.electric-cosmos.org/sun.htm The Sun may be powered, not from within itself, but from outside, by the electric (Birkeland) currents that flow in our arm of our galaxy as they do in all galaxies. This possibility that the Sun may be exernally powered by its galactic environment is the most speculative idea in the ES hypothesis and is always attacked by critics while they ignore all the other explanatory properties of the ES model. In the Plasma Universe model, these cosmic sized, low-density currents create the galaxies and the stars within those galaxies by the electromagnetic z-pinch effect. It is only a small extrapolation to ask whether these currents remain to power those stars. Galactic currents are of low current density, but, because the sizes of the stars are large, the total current (Amperage) is high. The Sun's radiated power at any instant is due to the energy imparted by that amperage. As the Sun moves around the galactic center it may come into regions of higher or lower current density and so its output may vary both periodically and randomly. Well, how is the theory at predicting the rest of the associated observations of the known visible universe? A theory that predicts a single set of observations is easy to devise. A theory that fits in literally millions of observations that aren't directly related to energy production is generally considered millions of times superior to the other kind of theory. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
Yes, It may be good to roll back time machine and remind folks that Dan was the person who started his posting career at FFL. Here is the ACTUAL start of my posting career at FFL, not the paraphrasing provided by Turq: Re: What would FFL be without its most strident voices? Rick, I believe you to be a man of conscience and good will. If some of your moderation could lead to a more friendly FFL, I imagine an even more open-minded conversation could take place. Imagine it --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Richard, Thanks for the background. I too was shocked to find that a FFL Member had Googled my wife and reported the results back to FFL. Ahem. It may be good to roll back time machine and remind folks that *Dan* was the person who started his posting career at FFL by trying to get Rick and others to reveal to him the names of anonymous posters whose opinions he didn't like. But when Alex does what any Internet user can do and looks up the real name associated with his wife's email ID, he's shocked. Not only a drama queen, but a hypocrite. 5/20/2008: FFL seems to be a mixed place. I think I'll be doing my sharing in the real world, where I can see who's speaking. 5/21/2008: Can you let me know your town. 5/23/2008: You repeadedly request that I live in the real world, yet never respond to my request that you provide your whereabouts. 5/23/2008: You still display those big balls. Why won't you let us know where you are. 1/20/2011 (after Rick forwards an anonymous post): Rick, I am following this post with interest. When you posted this, did you understand that you were shilling for an anonymous poster, who's written a letter that's hateful, but isn't standing behind it? Did you read the innuendo? Did you see the self promotion of the author? What did you see here? In my opinion it's a nasty letter. Who is the author? 1/20/2011: The author himself refers to his cynical tirade, so I guess he or she didn't write what you call some valuable observations in a humorous, ironic way. Why post it without identifying the source? I'd like to know who is posting a cynical tirade when I read one. 1/20/2011: For clarification: I attempted to have an author associated with the post. Probably a good idea for all posts to have attribution, so there is not an an annonymous rash of posts. 1/20/2011: in my opinion, the annonymous post defames a group. 1/20/2011: I live in a world where anonymous letters defaming groups exists. I am trying to change those acts that I come across 1/20/2011: Who said anything about the ANONYMOUS WRITER defaming me? He's defaming gurus anonymously. 1/20/2011: As I've repeatedly written, I believe that attack letters should name the attacker. 1/21/2011: A secret ballot, or protecting the freedom of the press, is a far cry from hurling insults or accusations anonymously and your grievance is endorsed by the moderator. Not every request for authorship is an attack on Democracy. 1/22/2011: I think it is reasonable to have a name associated with the defamation of any group. In this case I am shocked to see a Group Moderator do the posting, repeatedly support the anonymity, and provide his endorsement by affixing a subject line which reads: Wise thoughts from a psychologist. ...etc.
[FairfieldLife] PTSD and Complementary Alternative Medicine - Research Opportunities
http://www.research.va.gov/news/research_highlights/ptsd-cam-051711.cfm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
feste37, Thank you for shedding light on this. I just posted my Reply to Turq, in which I corrected his paraphrasing of my words. As you can imaging, I am eager to get Turq to control himself, and stop it. The origional Turq Attack contained hiw description of pissing on me, in front of his fans. I understood that to be Turq's invitation to a pissing contest, which I contine to decline. Turq seems to provoke others to piss and shit all over him, but I won't oblige. That disappoints him, so he continues his ugly provocations. Meybe he can conto; himself. Or maybe not. We'll see if he just stops. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: You're wrong on that, actually. Dan began posting here before that, only to be attacked by you for no reason at all after just one or two inoffensive posts. You mocked and ridiculed him. You tend to do this when any new person appears here. Are you aware of this rather unpleasant behavior on your part? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Richard, Thanks for the background. I too was shocked to find that a FFL Member had Googled my wife and reported the results back to FFL. Ahem. It may be good to roll back time machine and remind folks that *Dan* was the person who started his posting career at FFL by trying to get Rick and others to reveal to him the names of anonymous posters whose opinions he didn't like. But when Alex does what any Internet user can do and looks up the real name associated with his wife's email ID, he's shocked. Not only a drama queen, but a hypocrite. 5/20/2008: FFL seems to be a mixed place. I think I'll be doing my sharing in the real world, where I can see who's speaking. 5/21/2008: Can you let me know your town. 5/23/2008: You repeadedly request that I live in the real world, yet never respond to my request that you provide your whereabouts. 5/23/2008: You still display those big balls. Why won't you let us know where you are. 1/20/2011 (after Rick forwards an anonymous post): Rick, I am following this post with interest. When you posted this, did you understand that you were shilling for an anonymous poster, who's written a letter that's hateful, but isn't standing behind it? Did you read the innuendo? Did you see the self promotion of the author? What did you see here? In my opinion it's a nasty letter. Who is the author? 1/20/2011: The author himself refers to his cynical tirade, so I guess he or she didn't write what you call some valuable observations in a humorous, ironic way. Why post it without identifying the source? I'd like to know who is posting a cynical tirade when I read one. 1/20/2011: For clarification: I attempted to have an author associated with the post. Probably a good idea for all posts to have attribution, so there is not an an annonymous rash of posts. 1/20/2011: in my opinion, the annonymous post defames a group. 1/20/2011: I live in a world where anonymous letters defaming groups exists. I am trying to change those acts that I come across 1/20/2011: Who said anything about the ANONYMOUS WRITER defaming me? He's defaming gurus anonymously. 1/20/2011: As I've repeatedly written, I believe that attack letters should name the attacker. 1/21/2011: A secret ballot, or protecting the freedom of the press, is a far cry from hurling insults or accusations anonymously and your grievance is endorsed by the moderator. Not every request for authorship is an attack on Democracy. 1/22/2011: I think it is reasonable to have a name associated with the defamation of any group. In this case I am shocked to see a Group Moderator do the posting, repeatedly support the anonymity, and provide his endorsement by affixing a subject line which reads: Wise thoughts from a psychologist. ...etc.
[FairfieldLife] For MZ 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCFyFqsWZXs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
Tom, It was a letter from a psychologist, FFL non-Member, defaming Indian teachers for luring women with their control. This prejudice has existed in the West for many years, and is ugly defamation and fear-mongering. This psychologist lusted after his patients, so envied the Indian Teachers' imagined trespass. Of course The Psychologist hid anonymously behind, and claimed his moral superiority. I don't think so. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:25 AM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: 1/20/2011 (after Rick forwards an anonymous post): Rick, I am following this post with interest. When you posted this, did you understand that you were shilling for an anonymous poster, who's written a letter that's hateful, but isn't standing behind it? Did you read the innuendo? Did you see the self promotion of the author? No, I don't. Which self is an anonymous promoter promoting? What did you see here? In my opinion it's a nasty letter. Who is the author?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint -Lose Your BadgeNO SIGN EVER inDOMES
Steve, I havent read his other books, nor the journal the organization put out for a while, but read the website (also, very slowly; it is dense stuff). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Steve, The elegance of the contest, as proposed, is that there are no rules, only winners. Enjoy the read! Right. Thank you. I think the first time you get turned on to it, you might start at page one and work your way through. For me, it's more like the Physician's Reference book. If I have a question about something, or want to refresh something I read previously, I turn to it. I've also read most of his other books, and found them equally insightful I also subscribed to a journal the organization put out for a while and also found that interesting. I like those early Theosophists. Some stayed with the organization, some became disillusioned and left, some started similiar organizations. Imagine that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
Rory, I appreciate out Being together on this. Regards, Dan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Rory, I´m just cleaning the dust off my mirror. (an old analogy from MMY, where the mirror represents the nervous system, and the dust represents the ¨stresses¨.) * * Sweet, Dan! Me too... I like to call the dust our thought-waves or I-particles and clean them by accelerating and integrating them into blissful alignment with me, but it's all the same process, I suspect! :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] PTSD and Complementary Alternative Medicine - Research Opportunities
On Jul 13, 2011, at 11:05 AM, obbajeeba wrote: http://www.research.va.gov/news/research_highlights/ptsd- cam-051711.cfm Interesting breakdown and what nature supports ;-): Of the facilities that offer meditation, 79% offer mindfulness meditation, 13% offer mantra repetition meditation, and 8% offer Transcendental Meditation. The top five most common conditions associated with CAM treatment are stress management, anxiety, PTSD, depression, and back pain. The greatest use of CAM therapies is in the mental health field. A variety of VA providers offer CAM therapies - psychologists, physicians, recreational therapist, nurses, physical therapists, occupational therapists, social workers, and others. The survey indicated that documentation of CAM therapies in the medical record is poor. Additionally CPT and HCPCS codes are usually not used. The survey indicated that the belief by health care providers in the scientific evidence of the effectiveness of CAM therapies appears greater than the actual documented evidence of effectiveness.
[FairfieldLife] For MZ 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLIsqYKDqY8feature=related
[FairfieldLife] For MZ 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7LWANJFHEs
[FairfieldLife] For MZ 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8odkZSurWAfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] For MZ 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgVL-rBq9Fw
[FairfieldLife] For MZ 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QsNXd57Ppwfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
danfriedman: Thanks for the background... In fact, Dan, two of the FFL moderators here use anonymous 'handles'. Both of them have been very antagonistic to some of my postings. Apparently these two moderators hate TMers from Texas. Go figure. But, I will say that even the most hateful informant here can't hold a candle to some of the hateful messages posted on Usenet in years past. However, three of the most hateful respondents from Usenet are still on FFL, but they are much toned down now, most of the time. We got rid of the most obnoxious poster here some time ago - the one that is too embarrassed to post here anymore because his guru is on wanted posters all over the planet. Before the guru, Prakashanand Saraswati, vanished in Marchbefore a jury convicted him of sexual abuse; before he slipped across the border into Mexico overnighthe led the premier Hindu temple in Texas and, perhaps, the whole United States... 'The Fugitive Guru' http://tinyurl.com/5v4mgcf Your promise to stop mentioning me in your posts means nothing to you. I continue to find your posts offensive and intentionally provacative... There are at least three informants here that you need to watch, Dan - one gave out my real name (a year after I posted it on Usenet). LoL! Another one actually went on the WWW to my place of employ and gave out the address and made fun of a photo of me (without posting a photo of himself). LoL! There are a few dangerous characters that lurk here. Doesn't matter to me anymore since I'm retired now and fully vested. All my writing stuff is public now for anyone to see. In my opinion, anyone posting here anonymously is pretty much a troll and not being really totally honest.
[FairfieldLife] For MZ 7
http://www.burningman.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
feste37: You tend to do this when any new person appears here. Are you aware of this rather unpleasant behavior on your part? As some have noticed, I have a low tolerance threshold when it comes to idiots who show up on Internet forums I frequent and bring a hidden agenda with them. I suspect everybody does, but it is more obvious in my case because I am often merciless about insulting these idiots and ripping them a new asshole verbally. Here's why. It saves time. So my theory is that I just lay into them hard -- insult them, make fun of them, do everything I possibly can to push their buttons. And what happens? Because they have an agenda, they always react angrily, and in that anger stop trying to *hide* their agenda. They start saying things and revealing things that otherwise might have taken weeks for everybody to figure out. It's a neat technique. I highly recommend it. It saves time... Subject: Agendananda Author: Uncle Tantra Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 16, 2003
[FairfieldLife] For MZ 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8TgqenWW0Ifeature=related .
[FairfieldLife] For MZ 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bytoID_SNnE _,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Did Starship Troopers predict the future?
On 07/13/2011 12:16 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Here's a good Cracked article about a campy anti-war movie about a race from a distant, desert land, who out of nowhere strikes a civilian target in a way we didn't think was possible, leading to heavy-handed patriotic propaganda, and a headlong rush into a war with a poorly thought-out strategy that results in a quagmire. You don't have to agree with the message to get that it's clearly a satirical send-up of the War on Terror. If anything, it's too on-the-nose. What's that, you say? The movie was made in 1997, four years before 9/11? Hmmm. That is a problem. http://www.cracked.com/article_19259_6-mind-blowing-ways-starship-troopers-predicted-future.html#ixzz1Ry0Kwi00 I have the DVD of it and Verhoeven talks about fascism on the commentary and he knows because there were Nazis around in his younger days. And don't forget the group shower scene. To be fair Verhoeven and his cinematographer undressed too but the actors told them to put their clothes back on. Don't forget the pilot for Lone Gunmen where a remotely controlled jet is flown towards the twin towers. Shown a few months before 9/11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIZ205ccX8M I have that series on DVD and the commentary for the pilot is very interesting. Or how about this clip from The Long Kiss Goodbye (1996): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntpTuOpnt70
[FairfieldLife] For MZ 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUc62jD-G0ofeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Unawareness Seminars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: This group group is hardly representative of the TM population living in Fairfield, IA, letalone the TM population worldwide. Anyone who stays on a group like this has issues with TM, one way or the other. * * I am just here for the Love :-) No issues with TM here either. Of *course* snort... * * Granted, the Love is not always immediately self-evident! But that makes it all the more satisfying when the shit we eat turns out to be toffee! :-D (dead man's shit-eating grin here)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: feste37, Thank you for shedding light on this. I just posted my Reply to Turq, in which I corrected his paraphrasing of my words. As you can imaging, I am eager to get Turq to control himself, and stop it. The origional Turq Attack contained hiw description of pissing on me, in front of his fans. I understood that to be Turq's invitation to a pissing contest, which I contine to decline. Turq seems to provoke others to piss and shit all over him, but I won't oblige. That disappoints him, so he continues his ugly provocations. Meybe he can conto; himself. Or maybe not. We'll see if he just stops. Dream on, Dan. Expect a rant from Barry in which he indulges his afflictive emotions and mocks you for asking him to stop being a jerk. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: You're wrong on that, actually. Dan began posting here before that, only to be attacked by you for no reason at all after just one or two inoffensive posts. You mocked and ridiculed him. You tend to do this when any new person appears here. Are you aware of this rather unpleasant behavior on your part? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@ wrote: Richard, Thanks for the background. I too was shocked to find that a FFL Member had Googled my wife and reported the results back to FFL. Ahem. It may be good to roll back time machine and remind folks that *Dan* was the person who started his posting career at FFL by trying to get Rick and others to reveal to him the names of anonymous posters whose opinions he didn't like. But when Alex does what any Internet user can do and looks up the real name associated with his wife's email ID, he's shocked. Not only a drama queen, but a hypocrite. 5/20/2008: FFL seems to be a mixed place. I think I'll be doing my sharing in the real world, where I can see who's speaking. 5/21/2008: Can you let me know your town. 5/23/2008: You repeadedly request that I live in the real world, yet never respond to my request that you provide your whereabouts. 5/23/2008: You still display those big balls. Why won't you let us know where you are. 1/20/2011 (after Rick forwards an anonymous post): Rick, I am following this post with interest. When you posted this, did you understand that you were shilling for an anonymous poster, who's written a letter that's hateful, but isn't standing behind it? Did you read the innuendo? Did you see the self promotion of the author? What did you see here? In my opinion it's a nasty letter. Who is the author? 1/20/2011: The author himself refers to his cynical tirade, so I guess he or she didn't write what you call some valuable observations in a humorous, ironic way. Why post it without identifying the source? I'd like to know who is posting a cynical tirade when I read one. 1/20/2011: For clarification: I attempted to have an author associated with the post. Probably a good idea for all posts to have attribution, so there is not an an annonymous rash of posts. 1/20/2011: in my opinion, the annonymous post defames a group. 1/20/2011: I live in a world where anonymous letters defaming groups exists. I am trying to change those acts that I come across 1/20/2011: Who said anything about the ANONYMOUS WRITER defaming me? He's defaming gurus anonymously. 1/20/2011: As I've repeatedly written, I believe that attack letters should name the attacker. 1/21/2011: A secret ballot, or protecting the freedom of the press, is a far cry from hurling insults or accusations anonymously and your grievance is endorsed by the moderator. Not every request for authorship is an attack on Democracy. 1/22/2011: I think it is reasonable to have a name associated with the defamation of any group. In this case I am shocked to see a Group Moderator do the posting, repeatedly support the anonymity, and provide his endorsement by affixing a subject line which reads: Wise thoughts from a psychologist. ...etc.
[FairfieldLife] For MZ 11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANm4sqQUsG0 .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out there, In here [was; another question for MZ,..]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Rory, I appreciate out Being together on this. Regards, Dan Thank you, Dan... I do love finding common-ground (Being) among us where (perhaps) none had seemed to Be! :-)
[FairfieldLife] For MZ 12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu-NJA4Y1RI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
The smell of shit was obviously enough to attract you. Guess you are just a shit-eating maggot. Loving it like you do, why worry about the bardo? Isn't your own shit good enough anymore? Guess the shit always smells better in the other pile. You are a real philosopher. Heh. Heh. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: And what part does the eating shit play in all of this? Do the pretend CC'ers merge with an ocean of shit? Or does eating shit mitigate all the moodmaking and lying at the last minute -- like a kind of culinary deathbed conversion -- and help to ensure a birth on at least the same plane as the current incarnation? Or does it just prepare one for the scenery and smells of hell? Does the smell of shit on one's breath scare off the really gnarly demons in the Bardo, or attract them? Curious minds want to know, Tom. I know you're a font of information about esoteric teachings such as this, so help me out here.
[FairfieldLife] Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
Hello to everyone on Fairfield life. My name is Dr. William Parkinson and I have been lurking here for over a month. I have only recently started meditating ( 5months) and I am trying to learn as much about TM as I can; both the good and the bad. Recently, MZ\RobinC and Ravi Yogi have made some brief, but tantalizing allusions, to sleep (actually the lack thereof) and various states of consciousness. Years ago I read the paper in the journal Sleep documenting that people in established CC still maintain alpha wave paterns even during delta sleep. I was wondering if anyone could shed further light on this phenomenon. I understand that this is not the same as insomnia, but I'm wondering exactly what happens and whether or not it interferes with sleep. I am also wondering whether or not so-called cosmic consciousness would recede back into the background if someone were to discontinue TM. I ask this because in the eventuality that I, or someone else, may be disconcerted by having this state of consciousness during sleep it would be quite helpful to know that the discontinuation of TM would reverse this phenomenon. I would be deeply appreciative of any information that anyone might be willing to give me. Thank you in advance! Cheers Bill
[FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD and Complementary Alternative Medicine - Research Opportunities
Nature also supports the torture and subjugation of the Tibetan Autonomous Region's inhabitants. Sounds like you are mood-making. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 13, 2011, at 11:05 AM, obbajeeba wrote: http://www.research.va.gov/news/research_highlights/ptsd- cam-051711.cfm Interesting breakdown and what nature supports ;-): Of the facilities that offer meditation, 79% offer mindfulness meditation, 13% offer mantra repetition meditation, and 8% offer Transcendental Meditation. The top five most common conditions associated with CAM treatment are stress management, anxiety, PTSD, depression, and back pain. The greatest use of CAM therapies is in the mental health field. A variety of VA providers offer CAM therapies - psychologists, physicians, recreational therapist, nurses, physical therapists, occupational therapists, social workers, and others. The survey indicated that documentation of CAM therapies in the medical record is poor. Additionally CPT and HCPCS codes are usually not used. The survey indicated that the belief by health care providers in the scientific evidence of the effectiveness of CAM therapies appears greater than the actual documented evidence of effectiveness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: Hello to everyone on Fairfield life. My name is Dr. William Parkinson and I have been lurking here for over a month. I have only recently started meditating ( 5months) and I am trying to learn as much about TM as I can; both the good and the bad. Recently, MZ\RobinC and Ravi Yogi have made some brief, but tantalizing allusions, to sleep (actually the lack thereof) and various states of consciousness. Years ago I read the paper in the journal Sleep documenting that people in established CC still maintain alpha wave paterns even during delta sleep. I was wondering if anyone could shed further light on this phenomenon. I understand that this is not the same as insomnia, but I'm wondering exactly what happens and whether or not it interferes with sleep. I am also wondering whether or not so-called cosmic consciousness would recede back into the background if someone were to discontinue TM. I ask this because in the eventuality that I, or someone else, may be disconcerted by having this state of consciousness during sleep it would be quite helpful to know that the discontinuation of TM would reverse this phenomenon. I would be deeply appreciative of any information that anyone might be willing to give me. Thank you in advance! Cheers Bill * * Dear Bill, welcome to Fairfield Life! Great questions; I'll take a shot at them. In my recollection, anyhow, witnessing sleep before Awakening was somewhat transitory. Since then however, it has generally felt as if a part of me is always asleep (if I had to locate this part, it would be in the back of my brain) and a part of me is always awake (this would be more in the brow area), so there really appears to be only one state of consciousness, or more accurately, one consciousness always and ever Here and Now which predominates through all its various states, so that the brain as a whole sings, regardless of where I happen to be localized in the brain's choir. Conscious mantra-meditation ceased immediately upon Awakening, as it was self-evident that I was not, and That Alone IS, and there was no longer anywhere to go, and that was 29 years ago. I have no regrets and no desire to change, but then this is certainly not Cosmic Consciousness as classically described, or not C.C. alone; it is indescribable, more like everything and nothing, more like utter ignorance with utter contentment :-)
[FairfieldLife] Harry Potter and the Ghostly Hallows, Part 2 - review
Factoid 1: Yes, it opened two days earlier in the Netherlands than in the US. Nyaah nyaah. Factoid 2: IMO, you can safely avoid the extra expense of 3D unless you're really a fan of it. I found that it didn't add very much to the film, and detracted from it immensely in terms of brightness. The movie is already dark, in the sense that many of the scenes are shot in low light, and then you have to sit there watching it through, essentially, sunglasses. Factoid 3: If you're not already a fan of the movies and/or the books, you can probably safely skip this mini-review; if you haven't discovered the magic of the Harry Potter universe by now, nothing I can say can get through to you. That said, I loved it. The series been a real E-ticket ride, and the last installment is a worthy sequel to the seven previous films. The cast is as wonderful grown up as they were as kids, and wear their years well. I'm not usually a big fan of CGI, because often I feel that it detracts from a film rather than adds value to it. This movie is an exception. The filmmakers understand that CGI, especially in a movie about magic, has to look *real*. It all does. I loved the rendering of King's Cross Station, both in its astral form and its real-life form (and CGI would have probably been necessary in real life because last time I saw it the building was completely covered by scaffolding as part of a long-overdue restoration). There is a dragon that's pretty cool, too, and of course the final showdown at Hogwarts is amazing. But the bottom line in any film is the story, and this is a great one. It was great on the printed page and it is great onscreen, and IMO most of the credit for this goes to J.K. Rowling. See my earlier post on Visions and Visionaries.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Harry Potter and the Ghostly Hallows, Part 2 - review
Thanks for the review, Turq; this one's definitely on my must-see list :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Factoid 1: Yes, it opened two days earlier in the Netherlands than in the US. Nyaah nyaah. Factoid 2: IMO, you can safely avoid the extra expense of 3D unless you're really a fan of it. I found that it didn't add very much to the film, and detracted from it immensely in terms of brightness. The movie is already dark, in the sense that many of the scenes are shot in low light, and then you have to sit there watching it through, essentially, sunglasses. Factoid 3: If you're not already a fan of the movies and/or the books, you can probably safely skip this mini-review; if you haven't discovered the magic of the Harry Potter universe by now, nothing I can say can get through to you. That said, I loved it. The series been a real E-ticket ride, and the last installment is a worthy sequel to the seven previous films. The cast is as wonderful grown up as they were as kids, and wear their years well. I'm not usually a big fan of CGI, because often I feel that it detracts from a film rather than adds value to it. This movie is an exception. The filmmakers understand that CGI, especially in a movie about magic, has to look *real*. It all does. I loved the rendering of King's Cross Station, both in its astral form and its real-life form (and CGI would have probably been necessary in real life because last time I saw it the building was completely covered by scaffolding as part of a long-overdue restoration). There is a dragon that's pretty cool, too, and of course the final showdown at Hogwarts is amazing. But the bottom line in any film is the story, and this is a great one. It was great on the printed page and it is great onscreen, and IMO most of the credit for this goes to J.K. Rowling. See my earlier post on Visions and Visionaries.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
thx, most interesting! (forwarded to J. Jarvis). http://skeletonart.com/Detailed/696.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote: Hello to everyone on Fairfield life. My name is Dr. William Parkinson and I have been lurking here for over a month. I have only recently started meditating ( 5months) and I am trying to learn as much about TM as I can; both the good and the bad. Recently, MZ\RobinC and Ravi Yogi have made some brief, but tantalizing allusions, to sleep (actually the lack thereof) and various states of consciousness. Years ago I read the paper in the journal Sleep documenting that people in established CC still maintain alpha wave paterns even during delta sleep. I was wondering if anyone could shed further light on this phenomenon. I understand that this is not the same as insomnia, but I'm wondering exactly what happens and whether or not it interferes with sleep. I am also wondering whether or not so-called cosmic consciousness would recede back into the background if someone were to discontinue TM. I ask this because in the eventuality that I, or someone else, may be disconcerted by having this state of consciousness during sleep it would be quite helpful to know that the discontinuation of TM would reverse this phenomenon. I would be deeply appreciative of any information that anyone might be willing to give me. Thank you in advance! Cheers Bill * * Dear Bill, welcome to Fairfield Life! Great questions; I'll take a shot at them. In my recollection, anyhow, witnessing sleep before Awakening was somewhat transitory. Since then however, it has generally felt as if a part of me is always asleep (if I had to locate this part, it would be in the back of my brain) and a part of me is always awake (this would be more in the brow area), so there really appears to be only one state of consciousness, or more accurately, one consciousness always and ever Here and Now which predominates through all its various states, so that the brain as a whole sings, regardless of where I happen to be localized in the brain's choir. Conscious mantra-meditation ceased immediately upon Awakening, as it was self-evident that I was not, and That Alone IS, and there was no longer anywhere to go, and that was 29 years ago. I have no regrets and no desire to change, but then this is certainly not Cosmic Consciousness as classically described, or not C.C. alone; it is indescribable, more like everything and nothing, more like utter ignorance with utter contentment :-)
[FairfieldLife] The Soul is extracted and judged by weight
http://skeletonart.com/Detailed/714.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
You're very welcome, Yifu, but don't take it too seriously -- it's still just another story I am superimposing on the indescribable Us, the best I can do with thoughts and words at the moment :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: thx, most interesting! (forwarded to J. Jarvis). http://skeletonart.com/Detailed/696.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote: Hello to everyone on Fairfield life. My name is Dr. William Parkinson and I have been lurking here for over a month. I have only recently started meditating ( 5months) and I am trying to learn as much about TM as I can; both the good and the bad. Recently, MZ\RobinC and Ravi Yogi have made some brief, but tantalizing allusions, to sleep (actually the lack thereof) and various states of consciousness. Years ago I read the paper in the journal Sleep documenting that people in established CC still maintain alpha wave paterns even during delta sleep. I was wondering if anyone could shed further light on this phenomenon. I understand that this is not the same as insomnia, but I'm wondering exactly what happens and whether or not it interferes with sleep. I am also wondering whether or not so-called cosmic consciousness would recede back into the background if someone were to discontinue TM. I ask this because in the eventuality that I, or someone else, may be disconcerted by having this state of consciousness during sleep it would be quite helpful to know that the discontinuation of TM would reverse this phenomenon. I would be deeply appreciative of any information that anyone might be willing to give me. Thank you in advance! Cheers Bill * * Dear Bill, welcome to Fairfield Life! Great questions; I'll take a shot at them. In my recollection, anyhow, witnessing sleep before Awakening was somewhat transitory. Since then however, it has generally felt as if a part of me is always asleep (if I had to locate this part, it would be in the back of my brain) and a part of me is always awake (this would be more in the brow area), so there really appears to be only one state of consciousness, or more accurately, one consciousness always and ever Here and Now which predominates through all its various states, so that the brain as a whole sings, regardless of where I happen to be localized in the brain's choir. Conscious mantra-meditation ceased immediately upon Awakening, as it was self-evident that I was not, and That Alone IS, and there was no longer anywhere to go, and that was 29 years ago. I have no regrets and no desire to change, but then this is certainly not Cosmic Consciousness as classically described, or not C.C. alone; it is indescribable, more like everything and nothing, more like utter ignorance with utter contentment :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
Dear Bill, Not being familiar with TM, I can just share my experiences. In my experience not being aware during deep sleep state doesn't seem to hinder bliss and perfect awareness during the wakeful state. Most of the times I sleep like a log, if I'm too high I might feel like I'm aware of my sleep state but this happens rarely. However during a period of 3 months in 09 10, during this period that I refer to as the descension of divine I hardly slept and had full awareness even while asleep. But I believe this to be a side effect of the body trying to cope with energy than any natural state. My body treated this energy as an invasion and felt the need to be awake 24 hours a day to deal with this. So based on my experience it was just an interim state, after having integrated the energy and rising up higher in consciousness, so to speak I just sleep. TM is a path like many others, like my Guru would say once you reach the shore you leave the boat behind, you wouldn't carry it on your head. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: Hello to everyone on Fairfield life. My name is Dr. William Parkinson and I have been lurking here for over a month. I have only recently started meditating ( 5months) and I am trying to learn as much about TM as I can; both the good and the bad. Recently, MZ\RobinC and Ravi Yogi have made some brief, but tantalizing allusions, to sleep (actually the lack thereof) and various states of consciousness. Years ago I read the paper in the journal Sleep documenting that people in established CC still maintain alpha wave paterns even during delta sleep. I was wondering if anyone could shed further light on this phenomenon. I understand that this is not the same as insomnia, but I'm wondering exactly what happens and whether or not it interferes with sleep. I am also wondering whether or not so-called cosmic consciousness would recede back into the background if someone were to discontinue TM. I ask this because in the eventuality that I, or someone else, may be disconcerted by having this state of consciousness during sleep it would be quite helpful to know that the discontinuation of TM would reverse this phenomenon. I would be deeply appreciative of any information that anyone might be willing to give me. Thank you in advance! Cheers Bill
[FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD and Complementary Alternative Medicine - Research Opportunities
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: http://www.research.va.gov/news/research_highlights/ptsd-cam-051711.cfm I'm sure that Norman Rosenthal and the DLF are aware of this, but you might pass it on to them just in case. L.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
Thank you so much for getting back to me so quickly! I deeply appreciate the warm welcome. Honestly, however, you have truly baffled me, because your own experience goes far beyond so-called cosmic consciousness. Up until now I thought the only two people that had reached what TM jargon calls UC was Robin C. and Ravi. And now it seems you reached at too! An interesting question as a follow-up might be this: if a person simply follows the 20 minutes-twice a day formulation, will they ever go beyond simple cosmic consciousness? I wonder if those of you who have reached GC and UC did so because of advanced meditation techniques, many hours of so-called 'rounding;' not to mention many more hours of meditation throughout the week. I think of Clint Eastwood who has been doing TM for four years. Seemingly he has done it in the simple 20 minute-twice a day fashion. Did you and Ravi (are you there?) engage in this more dedicated practice of TM? I must also say that your post has caused me some degree of disquiet. Meditation, at least for the purposes of my goal, is something that is done because it is helpful; not because it develops long-term brain changes of questionable utility Cheers Bill From: RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: Hello to everyone on Fairfield life. My name is Dr. William Parkinson and I have been lurking here for over a month. I have only recently started meditating ( 5months) and I am trying to learn as much about TM as I can; both the good and the bad. Recently, MZ\RobinC and Ravi Yogi have made some brief, but tantalizing allusions, to sleep (actually the lack thereof) and various states of consciousness. Years ago I read the paper in the journal Sleep documenting that people in established CC still maintain alpha wave paterns even during delta sleep. I was wondering if anyone could shed further light on this phenomenon. I understand that this is not the same as insomnia, but I'm wondering exactly what happens and whether or not it interferes with sleep. I am also wondering whether or not so-called cosmic consciousness would recede back into the background if someone were to discontinue TM. I ask this because in the eventuality that I, or someone else, may be disconcerted by having this state of consciousness during sleep it would be quite helpful to know that the discontinuation of TM would reverse this phenomenon. I would be deeply appreciative of any information that anyone might be willing to give me. Thank you in advance! Cheers Bill * * Dear Bill, welcome to Fairfield Life! Great questions; I'll take a shot at them. In my recollection, anyhow, witnessing sleep before Awakening was somewhat transitory. Since then however, it has generally felt as if a part of me is always asleep (if I had to locate this part, it would be in the back of my brain) and a part of me is always awake (this would be more in the brow area), so there really appears to be only one state of consciousness, or more accurately, one consciousness always and ever Here and Now which predominates through all its various states, so that the brain as a whole sings, regardless of where I happen to be localized in the brain's choir. Conscious mantra-meditation ceased immediately upon Awakening, as it was self-evident that I was not, and That Alone IS, and there was no longer anywhere to go, and that was 29 years ago. I have no regrets and no desire to change, but then this is certainly not Cosmic Consciousness as classically described, or not C.C. alone; it is indescribable, more like everything and nothing, more like utter ignorance with utter contentment :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD and Complementary Alternative Medicine - Research Opportunities
From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD and Complementary Alternative Medicine - Research Opportunities --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: http://www.research.va.gov/news/research_highlights/ptsd-cam-051711.cfm I'm sure that Norman Rosenthal and the DLF are aware of this, but you might pass it on to them just in case. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: PTSD and Complementary Alternative Medicine - Research Opportunities
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 13, 2011, at 11:05 AM, obbajeeba wrote: http://www.research.va.gov/news/research_highlights/ptsd- cam-051711.cfm Interesting breakdown and what nature supports ;-): Quality control costs money and necessarily limits the numbers. And while it may be true that CAM therapies in general are concentrated in the mental health field, the most promising research on TM is in the cardio-vascular health field (which MMY would no doubt find at least slightly ironic since it is still a variation of the teaching them to wake up so they can fall asleep better observation). Of the facilities that offer meditation, 79% offer mindfulness meditation, 13% offer mantra repetition meditation, and 8% offer Transcendental Meditation. The top five most common conditions associated with CAM treatment are stress management, anxiety, PTSD, depression, and back pain. The greatest use of CAM therapies is in the mental health field. A variety of VA providers offer CAM therapies - psychologists, physicians, recreational therapist, nurses, physical therapists, occupational therapists, social workers, and others. The survey indicated that documentation of CAM therapies in the medical record is poor. Additionally CPT and HCPCS codes are usually not used. The survey indicated that the belief by health care providers in the scientific evidence of the effectiveness of CAM therapies appears greater than the actual documented evidence of effectiveness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Soul is extracted and judged by weight
Thx Vaj. Yes, I am familiar with James Austin. I have all three of his major works going back to Zen and the Brain. And I know also about Swami Rama. I have been meditating on and off for 40 years now and have a large research collection. Perhaps at this juncture it would be useful to state my own philosophical presumptions. Although I have degrees in the sciences, my PhD is in religion, and yet I am a convinced scientific materialist. My own personal view is that the phenomenological approach to religion (i.e., where we allow what we experience to determine what we believe) is arguably the worst approach to take in discerning what is true and what is false (perhaps I will write short post using Mormons as examples of this). Therefore, for me personally, I'm not interested in Enlightenment, because I don't believe it actually reflects reality (or perhaps it would be best to say, there is no external evidence which would corroborate what we feel in Enlightenment). Personally, I do not believe in what MMY called Being (which is a euphemism for Brahman, as is the so-called unified field). I have a wholly secular view that I think explains why this meditation works, without recourse to mystical or supernatural thinking. I practice meditation solely for health purposes, as well as to make me a better person (as it does seem to help develop greater patience, as well as helping me to be calm in the face of life's obstacles). Maybe a better way to frame my question would be this: Can anyone shed light on what sleep is like in the various stages as they are outlined in TM? What happens in so-called CC, which I have been experiencing (on and off) during waking hours already (and have been for about two months now). What happens when it becomes, as the new description goes, 'refined cosmic consciousness.'' And what happens when you cease the practice? Frankly, I'm not convinced that having this silent inner awareness is helpful during the sleeping hours; it might even prove to be a genuine problem!! Cheers Bill From: Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Soul is extracted and judged by weight http://skeletonart.com/Detailed/714.html
[FairfieldLife] MOVIE REVIEW - WAKE UP - Documentary of a guy who woke up psychic
Lots of people are waking up. Here is a review of a documentary about a guy who woke up clairvoyant: http://www.moviereviewsfromaspiritualperspective.com/documentaries/wake-up-the-story-of-a-guy-who-woke-up-psychic-
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
Yo, William, don't take them too seriously. According to MMY, if you can't perform any and all of the sidhis (e.g. Yogic Flying) then you're not truly in Unity Consciousness. Now, for those who like to play semantic games with the above, I'll take it back a step: if, immediately prior to Full Liberation, you don't find yourself able to perform all the Sidhis to perfection during sutra practice during your participation in the TM/TM-SIdhis program, then you are probably not fully enlightened, no matter what your perceptions suggest. MMY himself once hinted that that was one of the reasons why he realized the world wasn't quite how it should be when he was off on his own, meditating after his guru dev died: he wasn't doing/experiencing some of the stuff that was predicted for someone in his apparent state of consciousness and finally concluded that the current state of the world's consciousness wouldn't support full enlightenment, and eventually set out to remedy the situation. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: Thank you so much for getting back to me so quickly! I deeply appreciate the  warm welcome.  Honestly, however, you have truly baffled me, because your own experience goes far beyond so-called cosmic consciousness. Up until now I thought the only two people that had reached what TM jargon calls UC was Robin C. and Ravi. And now it seems you reached at too! An interesting question as a follow-up might be this: if a person simply follows the 20 minutes-twice a day formulation, will they ever go beyond simple cosmic consciousness?  I wonder if those of you who have reached GC and UC did so because of advanced meditation techniques, many hours of so-called 'rounding;' not to mention many more hours of meditation throughout the week. I think of Clint Eastwood who has been doing TM for four years. Seemingly he has done it in the simple 20 minute-twice a day fashion. Did you and Ravi (are you there?)  engage in this more dedicated practice of TM? I must also say that your post has caused me some degree of disquiet. Meditation, at least for the purposes of my goal, is something that is done because it is helpful; not because it develops long-term brain changes of questionable utility Cheers Bill From: RoryGoff rorygoff@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote: Hello to everyone on Fairfield life. My name is Dr. William Parkinson and I have been lurking here for over a month. I have only recently started meditating ( 5months) and I am trying to learn as much about TM as I can; both the good and the bad. Recently, MZ\RobinC and Ravi Yogi have made some brief, but tantalizing allusions, to sleep (actually the lack thereof) and various states of consciousness. Years ago I read the paper in the journal Sleep documenting that people in established CC still maintain alpha wave paterns even during delta sleep. I was wondering if anyone could shed further light on this phenomenon. I understand that this is not the same as insomnia, but I'm wondering exactly what happens and whether or not it interferes with sleep. I am also wondering whether or not so-called cosmic consciousness would recede back into the background if someone were to discontinue TM. I ask this because in the eventuality that I, or someone else, may be disconcerted by having this state of consciousness during sleep it would be quite helpful to know that the discontinuation of TM would reverse this phenomenon. I would be deeply appreciative of any information that anyone might be willing to give me. Thank you in advance! Cheers Bill * * Dear Bill, welcome to Fairfield Life! Great questions; I'll take a shot at them. In my recollection, anyhow, witnessing sleep before Awakening was somewhat transitory. Since then however, it has generally felt as if a part of me is always asleep (if I had to locate this part, it would be in the back of my brain) and a part of me is always awake (this would be more in the brow area), so there really appears to be only one state of consciousness, or more accurately, one consciousness always and ever Here and Now which predominates through all its various states, so that the brain as a whole sings, regardless of where I happen to be localized in the brain's choir. Conscious mantra-meditation ceased immediately upon Awakening, as it was self-evident that I was not, and That Alone IS, and there was no longer anywhere to go, and that was 29 years ago. I have no regrets and no desire to change, but then this is certainly not Cosmic Consciousness as classically described, or not C.C. alone; it is indescribable, more like
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
Thank you so much for sharing with me what happened to you Ravi. I did not know that you are using something other than TM. The only reason why I practice TM is because having tried other meditations, TM, for better or worse, seems to allow me to transcend in the quickest manner I have ever experienced. It happened in the first day or two, and that was something I can't say for any other form of meditation I tried, including classical concentration (which I started when I was perhaps 12 years old following the guidelines in a book by Richard Hittleman on Yoga), or vipanassana, or meditating on my breath while using a simple form of pranayama. For me TM is simply an expedient tool-- I have no desire to reach GC or UG and right now I'm just trying to figure out if I should even allowed to go so far as CC 24/7. Frankly this entire notion of having so-called Cosmic Consciousness, this awareness of a silent inner level, during sleep is something that concerns me. I wonder if it will make sleep far more difficult. And I also worry about what I just read concerning what seems to be long-lasting, if not permanent changes to either neurophysiology or even neuroanatomy. Btw, what form of meditation were you practicing? And also, I love the comment by your Guru. That was a very perceptive comment!! Cheers Bill From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?) Dear Bill, Not being familiar with TM, I can just share my experiences. In my experience not being aware during deep sleep state doesn't seem to hinder bliss and perfect awareness during the wakeful state. Most of the times I sleep like a log, if I'm too high I might feel like I'm aware of my sleep state but this happens rarely. However during a period of 3 months in 09 10, during this period that I refer to as the descension of divine I hardly slept and had full awareness even while asleep. But I believe this to be a side effect of the body trying to cope with energy than any natural state. My body treated this energy as an invasion and felt the need to be awake 24 hours a day to deal with this. So based on my experience it was just an interim state, after having integrated the energy and rising up higher in consciousness, so to speak I just sleep. TM is a path like many others, like my Guru would say once you reach the shore you leave the boat behind, you wouldn't carry it on your head. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: Hello to everyone on Fairfield life. My name is Dr. William Parkinson and I have been lurking here for over a month. I have only recently started meditating ( 5months) and I am trying to learn as much about TM as I can; both the good and the bad. Recently, MZ\RobinC and Ravi Yogi have made some brief, but tantalizing allusions, to sleep (actually the lack thereof) and various states of consciousness. Years ago I read the paper in the journal Sleep documenting that people in established CC still maintain alpha wave paterns even during delta sleep. I was wondering if anyone could shed further light on this phenomenon. I understand that this is not the same as insomnia, but I'm wondering exactly what happens and whether or not it interferes with sleep. I am also wondering whether or not so-called cosmic consciousness would recede back into the background if someone were to discontinue TM. I ask this because in the eventuality that I, or someone else, may be disconcerted by having this state of consciousness during sleep it would be quite helpful to know that the discontinuation of TM would reverse this phenomenon. I would be deeply appreciative of any information that anyone might be willing to give me. Thank you in advance! Cheers Bill
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: Thank you so much for getting back to me so quickly! I deeply appreciate the  warm welcome.  Honestly, however, you have truly baffled me, because your own experience goes far beyond so-called cosmic consciousness. Up until now I thought the only two people that had reached what TM jargon calls UC was Robin C. and Ravi. And now it seems you reached at too! * * I wouldn't characterize this IS-ness as classic UC either, as when UC dawned for me, anyhow, there was still an essentially-separate I who was enjoying Unity or a tunnel-self with various objects of perception, but who still essentially regarded itself as separate and subject to spacetime and growth and experience coming from somewhere outside itself. Now, however, we contain a great many Is, all of whom are in different states of consciousness, depending on the quality of our relationship with them. An interesting question as a follow-up might be this: if a person simply follows the 20 minutes-twice a day formulation, will they ever go beyond simple cosmic consciousness? * * Every one is different, but I don't see why not :-)  I wonder if those of you who have reached GC and UC did so because of advanced meditation techniques, many hours of so-called 'rounding;' not to mention many more hours of meditation throughout the week. * * That certainly was the case for me, but the great joke is, the path is actually pathless, from Here to Here, as MMY puts it, which I would gloss as being from a relative non-appreciation of Here and Now to a total whole-hearted appreciation of Here and Now. So whatever it takes to erase the intellect's superimpositions of not-Here and not-Now we are placing upon THAT-Us Here and Now, well, that is what happens :-) I think of Clint Eastwood who has been doing TM for four years. Seemingly he has done it in the simple 20 minute-twice a day fashion. Did you and Ravi (are you there?)  engage in this more dedicated practice of TM? * * Yes. I must also say that your post has caused me some degree of disquiet. Meditation, at least for the purposes of my goal, is something that is done because it is helpful; not because it develops long-term brain changes of questionable utility Cheers Bill * * For me, anyhow, this is IT, Home, my Beloved, what I had been searching for forever, and so I am supremely satisfied with its questionable utility :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
Thank you so much for telling me about this. Is this what MMY claimed about his own sense of mission? I have read the 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas' (from Paul Mason's site) and I thought that his sole purpose was simply because he had a meditation suitable for so-called 'householders.' So his real purpose was to raise the entire world consciousness, which in turn would allow others to become fully enlightened? Did I understand you correctly? If that is true that is a remarkable insight into his mission (or at least what he may have claimed for his mission). This is what I love about FFL. I get to learn so many interesting details and tidbits from all of you who have been in the movement years ago, and know far more than I do. Thank you for telling me about this!!! Cheers Bill From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?) Yo, William, don't take them too seriously. According to MMY, if you can't perform any and all of the sidhis (e.g. Yogic Flying) then you're not truly in Unity Consciousness. Now, for those who like to play semantic games with the above, I'll take it back a step: if, immediately prior to Full Liberation, you don't find yourself able to perform all the Sidhis to perfection during sutra practice during your participation in the TM/TM-SIdhis program, then you are probably not fully enlightened, no matter what your perceptions suggest. MMY himself once hinted that that was one of the reasons why he realized the world wasn't quite how it should be when he was off on his own, meditating after his guru dev died: he wasn't doing/experiencing some of the stuff that was predicted for someone in his apparent state of consciousness and finally concluded that the current state of the world's consciousness wouldn't support full enlightenment, and eventually set out to remedy the situation. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: Thank you so much for getting back to me so quickly! I deeply appreciate the  warm welcome.  Honestly, however, you have truly baffled me, because your own experience goes far beyond so-called cosmic consciousness. Up until now I thought the only two people that had reached what TM jargon calls UC was Robin C. and Ravi. And now it seems you reached at too! An interesting question as a follow-up might be this: if a person simply follows the 20 minutes-twice a day formulation, will they ever go beyond simple cosmic consciousness?  I wonder if those of you who have reached GC and UC did so because of advanced meditation techniques, many hours of so-called 'rounding;' not to mention many more hours of meditation throughout the week. I think of Clint Eastwood who has been doing TM for four years. Seemingly he has done it in the simple 20 minute-twice a day fashion. Did you and Ravi (are you there?)  engage in this more dedicated practice of TM? I must also say that your post has caused me some degree of disquiet. Meditation, at least for the purposes of my goal, is something that is done because it is helpful; not because it develops long-term brain changes of questionable utility Cheers Bill From: RoryGoff rorygoff@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote: Hello to everyone on Fairfield life. My name is Dr. William Parkinson and I have been lurking here for over a month. I have only recently started meditating ( 5months) and I am trying to learn as much about TM as I can; both the good and the bad. Recently, MZ\RobinC and Ravi Yogi have made some brief, but tantalizing allusions, to sleep (actually the lack thereof) and various states of consciousness. Years ago I read the paper in the journal Sleep documenting that people in established CC still maintain alpha wave paterns even during delta sleep. I was wondering if anyone could shed further light on this phenomenon. I understand that this is not the same as insomnia, but I'm wondering exactly what happens and whether or not it interferes with sleep. I am also wondering whether or not so-called cosmic consciousness would recede back into the background if someone were to discontinue TM. I ask this because in the eventuality that I, or someone else, may be disconcerted by having this state of consciousness during sleep it would be quite helpful to know that the discontinuation of TM would reverse this phenomenon. I would be deeply appreciative of any information that anyone might be willing to give me. Thank you in advance! Cheers Bill * * Dear Bill, welcome to Fairfield Life! Great questions; I'll take a shot at them. In my
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
I would agree with this whole-heartedly; we are only as Awake as everyone of us is. The Dome is (among others) an immense particle-accelerator for the many particle-Is of our own body. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Yo, William, don't take them too seriously. According to MMY, if you can't perform any and all of the sidhis (e.g. Yogic Flying) then you're not truly in Unity Consciousness. Now, for those who like to play semantic games with the above, I'll take it back a step: if, immediately prior to Full Liberation, you don't find yourself able to perform all the Sidhis to perfection during sutra practice during your participation in the TM/TM-SIdhis program, then you are probably not fully enlightened, no matter what your perceptions suggest. MMY himself once hinted that that was one of the reasons why he realized the world wasn't quite how it should be when he was off on his own, meditating after his guru dev died: he wasn't doing/experiencing some of the stuff that was predicted for someone in his apparent state of consciousness and finally concluded that the current state of the world's consciousness wouldn't support full enlightenment, and eventually set out to remedy the situation. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote: Thank you so much for getting back to me so quickly! I deeply appreciate the  warm welcome.  Honestly, however, you have truly baffled me, because your own experience goes far beyond so-called cosmic consciousness. Up until now I thought the only two people that had reached what TM jargon calls UC was Robin C. and Ravi. And now it seems you reached at too! An interesting question as a follow-up might be this: if a person simply follows the 20 minutes-twice a day formulation, will they ever go beyond simple cosmic consciousness?  I wonder if those of you who have reached GC and UC did so because of advanced meditation techniques, many hours of so-called 'rounding;' not to mention many more hours of meditation throughout the week. I think of Clint Eastwood who has been doing TM for four years. Seemingly he has done it in the simple 20 minute-twice a day fashion. Did you and Ravi (are you there?)  engage in this more dedicated practice of TM? I must also say that your post has caused me some degree of disquiet. Meditation, at least for the purposes of my goal, is something that is done because it is helpful; not because it develops long-term brain changes of questionable utility Cheers Bill From: RoryGoff rorygoff@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote: Hello to everyone on Fairfield life. My name is Dr. William Parkinson and I have been lurking here for over a month. I have only recently started meditating ( 5months) and I am trying to learn as much about TM as I can; both the good and the bad. Recently, MZ\RobinC and Ravi Yogi have made some brief, but tantalizing allusions, to sleep (actually the lack thereof) and various states of consciousness. Years ago I read the paper in the journal Sleep documenting that people in established CC still maintain alpha wave paterns even during delta sleep. I was wondering if anyone could shed further light on this phenomenon. I understand that this is not the same as insomnia, but I'm wondering exactly what happens and whether or not it interferes with sleep. I am also wondering whether or not so-called cosmic consciousness would recede back into the background if someone were to discontinue TM. I ask this because in the eventuality that I, or someone else, may be disconcerted by having this state of consciousness during sleep it would be quite helpful to know that the discontinuation of TM would reverse this phenomenon. I would be deeply appreciative of any information that anyone might be willing to give me. Thank you in advance! Cheers Bill * * Dear Bill, welcome to Fairfield Life! Great questions; I'll take a shot at them. In my recollection, anyhow, witnessing sleep before Awakening was somewhat transitory. Since then however, it has generally felt as if a part of me is always asleep (if I had to locate this part, it would be in the back of my brain) and a part of me is always awake (this would be more in the brow area), so there really appears to be only one state of consciousness, or more accurately, one consciousness always and ever Here and Now which predominates through all its various states, so that the brain as a whole sings, regardless of where I happen to be localized in the brain's choir. Conscious mantra-meditation ceased
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
I must admit to being very pleased Rory-- you're the first person on this forum that I have encountered who seems to be happy that they've reached a certain level of 'higher consciousness.' To hear RC tell of his own experience, it did not seem like a very pleasant or helpful state of mind at all! I read about the helicopter incident in the book 'The Maharishi Effect and it seemed to me that this behavior might have been indicative of a highly unstable state of mind (no offense RC if you are still reading these posts; please do not take it as any indication of a judgment on you as you are now). You're the first one so far who seems to be contented with having reached a higher state of consciousness. Thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to inform me of your own experiences. It has proven to be invaluable to me and very rewarding-- even if I'm not sure I fully grasp in its entirety what happened to you during these periods of intense illumination (perhaps that is a better wording than Enlightenment). Cheers Bill From: RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: Thank you so much for getting back to me so quickly! I deeply appreciate the  warm welcome.  Honestly, however, you have truly baffled me, because your own experience goes far beyond so-called cosmic consciousness. Up until now I thought the only two people that had reached what TM jargon calls UC was Robin C. and Ravi. And now it seems you reached at too! * * I wouldn't characterize this IS-ness as classic UC either, as when UC dawned for me, anyhow, there was still an essentially-separate I who was enjoying Unity or a tunnel-self with various objects of perception, but who still essentially regarded itself as separate and subject to spacetime and growth and experience coming from somewhere outside itself. Now, however, we contain a great many Is, all of whom are in different states of consciousness, depending on the quality of our relationship with them. An interesting question as a follow-up might be this: if a person simply follows the 20 minutes-twice a day formulation, will they ever go beyond simple cosmic consciousness? * * Every one is different, but I don't see why not :-)  I wonder if those of you who have reached GC and UC did so because of advanced meditation techniques, many hours of so-called 'rounding;' not to mention many more hours of meditation throughout the week. * * That certainly was the case for me, but the great joke is, the path is actually pathless, from Here to Here, as MMY puts it, which I would gloss as being from a relative non-appreciation of Here and Now to a total whole-hearted appreciation of Here and Now. So whatever it takes to erase the intellect's superimpositions of not-Here and not-Now we are placing upon THAT-Us Here and Now, well, that is what happens :-) I think of Clint Eastwood who has been doing TM for four years. Seemingly he has done it in the simple 20 minute-twice a day fashion. Did you and Ravi (are you there?)  engage in this more dedicated practice of TM? * * Yes. I must also say that your post has caused me some degree of disquiet. Meditation, at least for the purposes of my goal, is something that is done because it is helpful; not because it develops long-term brain changes of questionable utility Cheers Bill * * For me, anyhow, this is IT, Home, my Beloved, what I had been searching for forever, and so I am supremely satisfied with its questionable utility :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Soul is extracted and judged by weight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: Thx Vaj. Yes, I am familiar with James Austin. I have all three of his major works going back to Zen and the Brain. James Austin misquoted some of the Pure Consciousness research in his books, just so you know. The *minimum* length of time that one study found for breath suspension to be associated with episodes of pure consciousness was 15 seconds, not the maximum, as Austin reported. As well, the subject who showed the most consistent and long-lasting episodes of pure consciousness showed episodes for up to more than 1 minute which totaled more than 50% of her time spent in meditation. And I know also about Swami Rama. I have been meditating on and off for 40 years now 38 years more or less continuously for me and have a large research collection. Perhaps at this juncture it would be useful to state my own philosophical presumptions. Although I have degrees in the sciences, my PhD is in religion, and yet I am a convinced scientific materialist. My own personal view is that the phenomenological approach to religion (i.e., where we allow what we experience to determine what we believe) is arguably the worst approach to take in discerning what is true and what is false (perhaps I will write short post using Mormons as examples of this).  Therefore, for me personally, I'm not interested in Enlightenment, because I don't believe it actually reflects reality (or perhaps it would be best to say, there is no external evidence which would corroborate what we feel in Enlightenment). That goes back to what I said earlier: until you have measurable influence over reality, you can't claim true Unity: its just a pleasant illusion. Perhaps it influences your attitudes and behavior towards the world, and hence might have some practical utility, but until you can walk on water, health the sick, raise the dead, etc,. you can't claim to have the right to forgive sins (to paraphrase possibly the most famous of all the sages). Personally, I do not believe in what MMY called Being (which is a euphemism for Brahman, as is the so-called unified field). That's OK. Rest assured that Being doesn't believe in you, either. I have a wholly secular view that I think explains why this meditation works, without recourse to mystical or supernatural thinking. I practice meditation solely for health purposes, as well as to make me a better person (as it does seem to help develop greater patience, as well as helping me to be calm in the face of life's obstacles). Maybe a better way to frame my question would be this: Can anyone shed light on what sleep is like in the various stages as they are outlined in TM? What happens in so-called CC, which I have been experiencing (on and off) during waking hours already (and have been for about two months now). I started having CC experiences within a few days of learning TM. I started having witnessing sleep and dreaming episodes around that time too. I would never claim to be in CC, however.  What happens when it becomes, as the new description goes, 'refined cosmic consciousness.'' And what happens when you cease the practice? I ceased the practice for a few days in the USAF 30+ years ago and was miserable. I ceased the practice for a few days recently during a severely stressful period in my life, and found that clarity in my mind was severely curtailed. I actually started verbalizing most of my thoughts in a very clear, almost subvocal way. I also noticed that witnessing sleep was getting progressively more absent as time wore on. Frankly, I'm not convinced that having this silent inner awareness is helpful during the sleeping hours; it might even prove to be a genuine problem!! I don't know that it is helpful, merely inevitable. Now, are you waking up feeling rested following a full night's sleep? It is always possible that you are interpreting light, non-restful sleep as witnessing sleep. Its also always possible that witnessing sleep, for you at least, isn't that restful, at least at first. Its also always possible that witnessing sleep, for you at least, isn't really healthy. and will never be. Who can possibly say, eh? BTW, since you don't believe in Enlightenment, why are you consulting the self-proclaimed Enlightened on this forum to resolve questions you have concerning your own secular physiological state of health? Cheers Bill
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: Thank you so much for telling me about this. Is this what MMY claimed about his own sense of mission? I have read the 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas' (from Paul Mason's site) and I thought that his sole purpose was simply because he had a meditation suitable for so-called 'householders.' So his real purpose was to raise the entire world consciousness, which in turn would allow others to become fully enlightened? Did I understand you correctly? If that is true that is a remarkable insight into his mission (or at least what he may have claimed for his mission). This is what I love about FFL. I get to learn so many interesting details and tidbits from all of you who have been in the movement years ago, and know far more than I do. Thank you for telling me about this!!! Cheers I think you could say that his own mission involved finding his own full enlightenment, or at least attempting to, by raising the world's consciousness to the point where he could be fully enlightened. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: I must admit to being very pleased Rory-- you're the first person on this forum that I have encountered who seems to be happy that they've reached a certain level of 'higher consciousness.' To hear RC tell of his own experience, it did not seem like a very pleasant or helpful state of mind at all!  I read about the helicopter incident in the book 'The Maharishi Effect and it seemed to me that this behavior might have been indicative of a highly unstable state of mind (no offense RC if you are still reading these posts; please do not take it as any indication of a judgment on you as you are now). You're the first one so far who seems to be contented with having reached a higher state of consciousness. Thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to inform me of your own experiences. It has proven to be invaluable to me and very rewarding-- even if I'm not sure I fully grasp in its entirety what happened to you during these periods of intense illumination (perhaps that is a better wording than Enlightenment). Cheers Bill  * * Yes, in my experience as long as we are primarily identified with a separate I -- and I see no real evidence thus far of anyone claiming classical UC who has surrendered that -- then we know there is still something more than this :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote: Thank you so much for telling me about this. Is this what MMY claimed about his own sense of mission? I have read the 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas' (from Paul Mason's site) and I thought that his sole purpose was simply because he had a meditation suitable for so-called 'householders.' So his real purpose was to raise the entire world consciousness, which in turn would allow others to become fully enlightened? Did I understand you correctly? If that is true that is a remarkable insight into his mission (or at least what he may have claimed for his mission). This is what I love about FFL. I get to learn so many interesting details and tidbits from all of you who have been in the movement years ago, and know far more than I do. Thank you for telling me about this!!! Cheers --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: I think you could say that his own mission involved finding his own full enlightenment, or at least attempting to, by raising the world's consciousness to the point where he could be fully enlightened. L. * * * *Y*E*S*! * * * It appears to be an entirely selfish affair for all of us, even for every Bodhisattva or Saint :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
On 07/13/2011 11:12 AM, William Parkinson wrote: Thank you so much for sharing with me what happened to you Ravi. I did not know that you are using something other than TM. The only reason why I practice TM is because having tried other meditations, TM, for better or worse, seems to allow me to transcend in the quickest manner I have ever experienced. That's because it's a beej mantra which are generally used to enrich longer mantras. They're short and create a quick dip. Longer mantras create a more sustained effect. Maharishi wanted people to get the advanced technique as early as a year and a half after the first. It resembles a guru mantra for the tradition. It happened in the first day or two, and that was something I can't say for any other form of meditation I tried, including classical concentration (which I started when I was perhaps 12 years old following the guidelines in a book by Richard Hittleman on Yoga), or vipanassana, or meditating on my breath while using a simple form of pranayama. For me TM is simply an expedient tool-- I have no desire to reach GC or UG and right now I'm just trying to figure out if I should even allowed to go so far as CC 24/7. Frankly this entire notion of having so-called Cosmic Consciousness, this awareness of a silent inner level, during sleep is something that concerns me. I wonder if it will make sleep far more difficult. You probably know that most brain wave research would say that deep sleep would be the delta state which is possible to produce through meditation too. Back in the 1970s I was part of a university study on meditation and had an EEG test. The researcher was looking for alpha waves but I produced theta. We now know that theta states (as well as delta) are signs of deeper states of mediation. I don't know why the movement keeps pushing alpha states. Witnessing in sleep is not uncommon when one practices advanced meditations. But you'll also find plenty of yogis who will tell you they are dead to the world during sleep and happy for it. I taught TM briefly in the late 70s. About 11 years ago I learned tantra from an authentic Indian tantric yogi who resides in the US. TM for me was a dead end because we were never taught things like mantra shastra or how to use different mantras. We were nothing more than parrots for the technique. With the tantric I learned things like mantra shastra. And I also worry about what I just read concerning what seems to be long-lasting, if not permanent changes to either neurophysiology or even neuroanatomy. Btw, what form of meditation were you practicing? And also, I love the comment by your Guru. That was a very perceptive comment!! Cheers Bill
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:13 AM, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2...@yahoo.com wrote: Tom, It was a letter from a psychologist, FFL non-Member, defaming Indian teachers for luring women with their control. This prejudice has existed in the West for many years, and is ugly defamation and fear-mongering. This psychologist lusted after his patients, so envied the Indian Teachers' imagined trespass. Of course The Psychologist hid anonymously behind, and claimed his moral superiority. I don't think so. Somebody saying something nasty about Indians? Shutter the thought. I'd write more but I've been going nuts today with our Offshore (Indian) ?team? who, if there's a way to misinterpret, to do it the wrong way, to read the instructions upside down (on a computer monitor) or bass ackwards or challenge the wisdom of my requests, they'll do it. Exhausting. The trouble tickets had the names of specific technicians they were assigned to (we try to keep the intricate tickets or the ones which require one to not try to sandbag the operation onshore). So which tickets did Offshore grab first and fck up first? Good guess. Now our Mexican offshore, they are a polite, interested, eager to learn and collaborate. And they do things right and ping us if they don't understand our instructions. My problem was not with what the ?psychologist? posted. My problem is that Rick is tacit aggressive. He just happens to get a lot more down with the TMO and down with Maharishi posts worthy of reposting here than the other side. Not that I'm at all in love with the Oh it's so blifffuuul! posts we get here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bernanke Ready to Rescue the Economy
On 07/13/2011 11:15 AM, John wrote: In other words, he can print more money if the economy doesn't improve. Or, he can raise the interest rates for borrowing money if inflation is the problem. Just by talking, the Dow Jones average went up by 142 points. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Bernanke-Fed-would-supply-apf-1990658503.html?x=0.v=7 That's the problem with the Fed which is run by a bunch of crooks. I called out Bernanke here back in 2007 as a liar when he was quizzed by congress. Time showed that indeed he was lying. The stock market is just a sophisticated gambling den. It will go and down on a whim. It's a good place to lose your money.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Harry Potter and the Ghostly Hallows, Part 2 - review
On 07/13/2011 10:12 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Factoid 1: Yes, it opened two days earlier in the Netherlands than in the US. Nyaah nyaah. Who cares? Factoid 2: IMO, you can safely avoid the extra expense of 3D unless you're really a fan of it. I found that it didn't add very much to the film, and detracted from it immensely in terms of brightness. The movie is already dark, in the sense that many of the scenes are shot in low light, and then you have to sit there watching it through, essentially, sunglasses. Sadly because the local multiplex is all digital they are doing more 3D and the dumb D-Box ride. Factoid 3: If you're not already a fan of the movies and/or the books, you can probably safely skip this mini-review; if you haven't discovered the magic of the Harry Potter universe by now, nothing I can say can get through to you. That said, I loved it. Stopped watching it after the third one. Maybe if they pay me to see it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: Thank you so much for sharing with me what happened to you Ravi. I did not know that you are using something other than TM. The only reason why I practice TM is because having tried other meditations, TM, for better or worse, seems to allow me to transcend in the quickest manner I have ever experienced. It happened in the first day or two, and that was something I can't say for any other form of meditation I tried, including classical concentration (which I started when I was perhaps 12 years old following the guidelines in a book by Richard Hittleman on Yoga), or vipanassana, or meditating on my breath while using a simple form of pranayama. For me TM is simply an expedient tool-- I have no desire to reach GC or UG and right now I'm just trying to figure out if I should even allowed to go so far as CC 24/7.  Frankly this entire notion of having so-called Cosmic Consciousness, this awareness of a silent inner level, during sleep is something that concerns me. I wonder if it will make sleep far more difficult. And I also worry about what I just read concerning what seems to be long-lasting, if not permanent changes to either neurophysiology or even neuroanatomy. Btw, what form of meditation were you practicing? And also, I love the comment by your Guru. That was a very perceptive comment!!  Cheers Bill From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)  Dear Bill, Not being familiar with TM, I can just share my experiences. In my experience not being aware during deep sleep state doesn't seem to hinder bliss and perfect awareness during the wakeful state. Most of the times I sleep like a log, if I'm too high I might feel like I'm aware of my sleep state but this happens rarely. However during a period of 3 months in 09 10, during this period that I refer to as the descension of divine I hardly slept and had full awareness even while asleep. But I believe this to be a side effect of the body trying to cope with energy than any natural state. My body treated this energy as an invasion and felt the need to be awake 24 hours a day to deal with this. So based on my experience it was just an interim state, after having integrated the energy and rising up higher in consciousness, so to speak I just sleep. TM is a path like many others, like my Guru would say once you reach the shore you leave the boat behind, you wouldn't carry it on your head. For me the further shore occasionally seems closer than at other times, but invariably a cleansing flood washes the boat back down stream, and the further shore seems at least as far away as ever, if not more. IOW, I haven't found an opportunity to carry the boat around on my head for any appreciable length of time, at least. To paraphrase MMY: as long as you have thoughts during meditation, you can still benefit from meditation... L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Soul is extracted and judged by weight
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote: I have been meditating on and off for 40 years now and have a large research collection. One of my favorite quotes from MMY concerning this issue: Spiritual and Material Values Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has its own level of physiology which can be measured. Every aspect of life is integrated and connected with every other phase. When we talk of scientific measurements, it does not take away from the spiritual experience. We are not responsible for those times when spiritual experience was thought of as metaphysical. Everything is physical. Consciousness is the product of the functioning of the brain. Talking of scientific measurements is no damage to that wholeness of life which is present everywhere and which begins to be lived when the physiology is taking on a particular form. This is our understanding about spirituality: it is not on the level of faith --it is on the level of blood and bone and flesh and activity. It is measurable. -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Soul is extracted and judged by weight
An email I fired off recently might be of interest to you: Dear Professor Brown, I just finished reading your article, Doubt as Methodology and Object in the Phenomenology of Religion, found in M/C Journal http://www.journal.media-culture.org.au/index.php/mcjournal/article/viewArticle/334 ... I'd like to present the TM theoretical take of the Vedic philosophy and ask that you reconsider calling TM a religion, per se: Rather than theories or beliefs about God, the Universe and Everything that are strictly the product of the specific culture that they are found in, TM theory asserts that these are cultural interpretations of states of consciousness that are natural to humans, regardless of culture. TM theory further asserts that TM is a technique (in the same sense that the Way that cannot be spoken is a technique) that increases the probability that practitioners will enter into the state of consciousness called turya -pure consciousness- in the Upanishads. The theory further asserts that long-term practice of TM, alternated with normal activity, leads to the situation called turyatita (quality of turya) where turya is omni-present, in some sense, in the individual. This theory is nothing new. You can find it, with minor variations, in various places. E.G. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turiya What IS unique to TM theory, however, are the assertions that: 1) turya is a physiological state of the brain in the Western scientific sense, that can be measured using the tools of Western science; 2) that turyatita is likewise a measurable state; 3) that turya is the state of least stress in a resting nervous system; 4) the process of TM is merely a resting state of the nervous system that repairs stress (note that obvious episodes of turya are NOT required for this resting state to be effective --one can become fully enlightened according to TM theory, without ever having a clear experience of turya during meditation, at least prior to full enlightenment); 4) turyatita is merely a state in mature adults whose nervous systems are sufficiently strong and mature due to lack of physiological stress that turya is evident, even during waking, dreaming and sleeping. this leads to the logical conclusion that turyatita is NOT some esoteric state, and that the physiological signature of turya during meditation should more likely appear, not only in long-term practitioners of TM contrasted with non-meditating or short-term meditating controls, but also in non-meditators whose success in life suggests that their nervous systems are very efficient, e.g.: world champion athletes (as compared to non-champion professionals in the same sport), professional classical musicians (as compared to amateur classical musicians) and high-functioning business managers as compared to their less successful counterparts. Research on the physiological correlates of turya found during TM practice: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7045911 Breath suspension during the transcendental meditation technique. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10512549 Pure consciousness: distinct phenomenological and physiological correlates of consciousness itself. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9009807 Autonomic patterns during respiratory suspensions: possible markers of Transcendental Consciousness. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10487785 Autonomic and EEG patterns during eyes-closed rest and transcendental meditation (TM) practice: the basis for a neural model of TM practice. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19862565 A self-referential default brain state: patterns of coherence, power, and eLORETA sources during eyes-closed rest and Transcendental Meditation practice. Research on the physiological correlates of turyatita in long-term TM meditators: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12406612 Patterns of EEG coherence, power, and contingent negative variation characterize the integration of transcendental and waking states. http://www.tm.org/american-psychological-association Abstract for the 2007 Conference of the American Psychological Association Brain Integration Scale: Corroborating Language-based â¨Instruments of Post-conventional Development Research on the physiological correlates of turyatita in non-meditators: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1600-0838.2009.01007.x/full Higher psycho-physiological refinement in world-class Norwegian athletes: brain measures of performance capacity While all these findings are preliminary, you might consider what they imply for interpreting TM as a religion. In my view, it is not. It is merely a technique that allegedly leads to a more healthy functioning of the nervous system. TM theory, Vedic philosophy, etc, are merely attempts to explain a natural human condition which can be found in (and interpreted by) people in any culture and religion. Thanks for reading. Lawson English lengli...@cox.net http://www.siliconsqueak.org ---
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: [...] You probably know that most brain wave research would say that deep sleep would be the delta state which is possible to produce through meditation too. Back in the 1970s I was part of a university study on meditation and had an EEG test. The researcher was looking for alpha waves but I produced theta. We now know that theta states (as well as delta) are signs of deeper states of mediation. I don't know why the movement keeps pushing alpha states. The most consistent EEG changes during TM they have found are in the Alpha band in certain parts of the brain, especially during episodes of pure consciousness. There's no justifiable reason to push anything else. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
I share your cultural observations. I returned late last night from Mexico, the latest of probably 10 vacations there. They ARE polite, interested, eager to learn and collaborate. I also agree with your Rick Observation. It's a prejudice that's apparent on his part. And as to your comment: Not that I'm at all in love with the Oh it's so blifffuuul! posts we get here., I too am a realist. More practical than blissed-out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:13 AM, danfriedman2002 danfriedman2002@... wrote: Tom, It was a letter from a psychologist, FFL non-Member, defaming Indian teachers for luring women with their control. This prejudice has existed in the West for many years, and is ugly defamation and fear-mongering. This psychologist lusted after his patients, so envied the Indian Teachers' imagined trespass. Of course The Psychologist hid anonymously behind, and claimed his moral superiority. I don't think so. Somebody saying something nasty about Indians? Shutter the thought. I'd write more but I've been going nuts today with our Offshore (Indian) ?team? who, if there's a way to misinterpret, to do it the wrong way, to read the instructions upside down (on a computer monitor) or bass ackwards or challenge the wisdom of my requests, they'll do it. Exhausting. The trouble tickets had the names of specific technicians they were assigned to (we try to keep the intricate tickets or the ones which require one to not try to sandbag the operation onshore). So which tickets did Offshore grab first and fck up first? Good guess. Now our Mexican offshore, they are a polite, interested, eager to learn and collaborate. And they do things right and ping us if they don't understand our instructions. My problem was not with what the ?psychologist? posted. My problem is that Rick is tacit aggressive. He just happens to get a lot more down with the TMO and down with Maharishi posts worthy of reposting here than the other side. Not that I'm at all in love with the Oh it's so blifffuuul! posts we get here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hearing/counting the interference??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: I have a fairly good sense of rhythm but am rather tone deaf. (In mantra meditation that might be a disadvantage??) Been trying to train my ear using a program like this: http://www.playpianotoday.com/piano-lessons-ear-training-101-online_demo.html Have noticed that usually get somewhat better results with the chord mode. It seems to me the only explanation might be that I can subconsciously count the interference between those notes. The interference, of course, is much more easily audible in the chord mode... Practice tuning a musical instrument: at first, you can use an electronic device to provide feedback when you get it in tune, and later you can forgo that crutch and only use a tuning fork (physical or electronic). While true perfect pitch is extremely rare, many professional level musicians learn to remember A440 or some other specific tone and can identify that specific tone when they hear it. Apparently practicing tuning thousands of times a year for 50 years or so trains the ear (for some unknown reason). L. I've been tuning a guitar (e.g. prime[?] or octave tuning), listening to the interference. When it disappears, those two strings should be in tune, provided one of them is in tune to begin with.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
On 07/13/2011 12:17 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: [...] You probably know that most brain wave research would say that deep sleep would be the delta state which is possible to produce through meditation too. Back in the 1970s I was part of a university study on meditation and had an EEG test. The researcher was looking for alpha waves but I produced theta. We now know that theta states (as well as delta) are signs of deeper states of mediation. I don't know why the movement keeps pushing alpha states. The most consistent EEG changes during TM they have found are in the Alpha band in certain parts of the brain, especially during episodes of pure consciousness. There's no justifiable reason to push anything else. L. Sure, because TM is only yoga lite. :-D Just simple breathing exercises can produce alpha states.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
With regards to William Parkinson, Ravi Yogi, and Lawson --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote: Thank you so much for sharing with me what happened to you Ravi. I did not know that you are using something other than TM. The only reason why I practice TM is because having tried other meditations, TM, for better or worse, seems to allow me to transcend in the quickest manner I have ever experienced. It happened in the first day or two, and that was something I can't say for any other form of meditation I tried, including classical concentration (which I started when I was perhaps 12 years old following the guidelines in a book by Richard Hittleman on Yoga), or vipanassana, or meditating on my breath while using a simple form of pranayama. For me TM is simply an expedient tool-- I have no desire to reach GC or UG and right now I'm just trying to figure out if I should even allowed to go so far as CC 24/7. Frankly this entire notion of having so-called Cosmic Consciousness, this awareness of a silent inner level, during sleep is something that concerns me. I wonder if it will make sleep far more difficult. And I also worry about what I just read concerning what seems to be long-lasting, if not permanent changes to either neurophysiology or even neuroanatomy. Btw, what form of meditation were you practicing? And also, I love the comment by your Guru. That was a very perceptive comment!! Cheers Bill From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?) Dear Bill, Not being familiar with TM, I can just share my experiences. In my experience not being aware during deep sleep state doesn't seem to hinder bliss and perfect awareness during the wakeful state. Most of the times I sleep like a log, if I'm too high I might feel like I'm aware of my sleep state but this happens rarely. However during a period of 3 months in 09 10, during this period that I refer to as the descension of divine I hardly slept and had full awareness even while asleep. But I believe this to be a side effect of the body trying to cope with energy than any natural state. My body treated this energy as an invasion and felt the need to be awake 24 hours a day to deal with this. So based on my experience it was just an interim state, after having integrated the energy and rising up higher in consciousness, so to speak I just sleep. TM is a path like many others, like my Guru would say once you reach the shore you leave the boat behind, you wouldn't carry it on your head. For me the further shore occasionally seems closer than at other times, but invariably a cleansing flood washes the boat back down stream, and the further shore seems at least as far away as ever, if not more. IOW, I haven't found an opportunity to carry the boat around on my head for any appreciable length of time, at least. To paraphrase MMY: as long as you have thoughts during meditation, you can still benefit from meditation... L. I do not think it has ever been determined that the sign posts or benchmarks that meditative traditions have are clearly experienced by everyone, or that there might be partial crossovers that are out of the sequence. Some people clearly never seem to experience them, others do. I experienced terrible insomnia for years during and after a CC-like experience. The CC-like experience disappeared but the insomnia did not. It felt like I went back to square one on the game board. Eventually the insomnia went away and a different kind of 'witnessing' experience developed which was different than the CC-like phenomenon, in that it seemed very diffuse; the earlier one was a definite sense of being awareness separate from sensory experience, and being awake all the time. Regarding that I think Ravi Yogi's comment about there being more energy manifesting as a sense of sleeplessness is correct. This other, later witnessing was not like that at all, it never felt defined, it was not like a concrete experience where I could say this or that about it. It was a bummer. I lost interest in spiritual descriptions and stopped reading about them. I switched to reading novels. I had very negative thoughts about 'my path' of progress for a long time - decades. Eventually everything seemed to get more relaxed and I just started to live life without thinking about spiritual progress. One day I went outside for some air and suddenly without warning, the farther shore and the nearer shore, as Lawson put it, were one and the same, and it had always been that way, no boat required as there was no river to traverse. There is no way to describe what this it like. Then things became completely ordinary. I read spiritual literature again to gain some kind of intellectual grasp of this. The whole
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
On Jul 13, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Bhairitu wrote: On 07/13/2011 12:17 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: [...] You probably know that most brain wave research would say that deep sleep would be the delta state which is possible to produce through meditation too. Back in the 1970s I was part of a university study on meditation and had an EEG test. The researcher was looking for alpha waves but I produced theta. We now know that theta states (as well as delta) are signs of deeper states of mediation. I don't know why the movement keeps pushing alpha states. The most consistent EEG changes during TM they have found are in the Alpha band in certain parts of the brain, especially during episodes of pure consciousness. There's no justifiable reason to push anything else. L. Sure, because TM is only yoga lite. :-D Just simple breathing exercises can produce alpha states. The much-touted witnessing of advanced TMers is seen in normal humans all the time, but esp. in the elderly and people in pain. Big whoop. As the Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness put it Other relaxation techniques have led to the same EEG profile, and studies that employed counter-balanced control relaxation conditions consistently found a lack of alpha power increases or even decreases when comparing relaxation or hypnosis to TM meditation. I hope those folks who are so wowed about TM remember to take an Ativan before they ever venture into Disneyworld or a Benihana steak house.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice of Infringement
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:03 PM, richardjwilliamstexas willy...@yahoo.comwrote: Thanks for the background... In fact, Dan, two of the FFL moderators here use anonymous 'handles'. Both of them have been very antagonistic to some of my postings. Apparently these two moderators hate TMers from Texas. Go figure. Not true. I'm from Texas and I am universally loved. Now the named moderator, well, he's a different matter. Being a moderator appears to give him delusions of adequacy so he flexes his moderating muscles in as obvious a matter as possible. Just be happy you're in Texas and he's in Iowa. He's announced here many times about his kills.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
Thx so much XA. What you describe is the one thing I fear the most. I have had insomnia for my entire adult life and when I went to a sleep lab way back in 1982 (at U.C.Irvine in California) I was told I had alpha intrusion.' Obviously I was having trouble getting out of the restful state of alpha and into the drowsy theta state and then into the sleeping delta. So, when the article in Sleep showed that these TM meditators where producing alpha waves, while concomitantly showing delta waves, that turned me off. I quit doing TM long ago because of it. That was 11 years ago. But around 5 months ago now I started TM again and it was not too long, perhaps 10 weeks later, I could tell that CC was starting to develop. That silent inner layer, which was there all the time when I was not too mentally active (so, watching TV I could 'feel' it), was growing and I worry about the effects on sleep. Your story is, for me, a real cautionary tale to be sure. I am deeply grateful to you for sharing it with me. I guess the only good thing to take way for all of this was that the CC experience did go away in time. If I may ask one question XA: How much were you meditating? Were you going far beyond the typical twice-per-day, 20 minute program? Were you using advanced techniques? Were you going to all those residence courses to undergo 'rounding'? Clint Eastwood has been meditating for 40 years and I assume he is doing TM 'lite,' as I am. He seems none the worse for wear, so to speak. Cheers Bill From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:45 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?) With regards to William Parkinson, Ravi Yogi, and Lawson --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote: Thank you so much for sharing with me what happened to you Ravi. I did not know that you are using something other than TM. The only reason why I practice TM is because having tried other meditations, TM, for better or worse, seems to allow me to transcend in the quickest manner I have ever experienced. It happened in the first day or two, and that was something I can't say for any other form of meditation I tried, including classical concentration (which I started when I was perhaps 12 years old following the guidelines in a book by Richard Hittleman on Yoga), or vipanassana, or meditating on my breath while using a simple form of pranayama. For me TM is simply an expedient tool-- I have no desire to reach GC or UG and right now I'm just trying to figure out if I should even allowed to go so far as CC 24/7. Frankly this entire notion of having so-called Cosmic Consciousness, this awareness of a silent inner level, during sleep is something that concerns me. I wonder if it will make sleep far more difficult. And I also worry about what I just read concerning what seems to be long-lasting, if not permanent changes to either neurophysiology or even neuroanatomy. Btw, what form of meditation were you practicing? And also, I love the comment by your Guru. That was a very perceptive comment!! Cheers Bill From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?) Dear Bill, Not being familiar with TM, I can just share my experiences. In my experience not being aware during deep sleep state doesn't seem to hinder bliss and perfect awareness during the wakeful state. Most of the times I sleep like a log, if I'm too high I might feel like I'm aware of my sleep state but this happens rarely. However during a period of 3 months in 09 10, during this period that I refer to as the descension of divine I hardly slept and had full awareness even while asleep. But I believe this to be a side effect of the body trying to cope with energy than any natural state. My body treated this energy as an invasion and felt the need to be awake 24 hours a day to deal with this. So based on my experience it was just an interim state, after having integrated the energy and rising up higher in consciousness, so to speak I just sleep. TM is a path like many others, like my Guru would say once you reach the shore you leave the boat behind, you wouldn't carry it on your head. For me the further shore occasionally seems closer than at other times, but invariably a cleansing flood washes the boat back down stream, and the further shore seems at least as far away as ever, if not more. IOW, I haven't found an opportunity to carry the boat around on my head for any appreciable length of time, at least. To paraphrase MMY: as long as you have thoughts during meditation, you can still benefit from meditation... L. I do not think it has ever been determined that the sign posts or benchmarks that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bernanke Ready to Rescue the Economy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 07/13/2011 11:15 AM, John wrote: In other words, he can print more money if the economy doesn't improve. Or, he can raise the interest rates for borrowing money if inflation is the problem. Just by talking, the Dow Jones average went up by 142 points. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Bernanke-Fed-would-supply-apf-1990658503.html?x=0.v=7 That's the problem with the Fed which is run by a bunch of crooks. I called out Bernanke here back in 2007 as a liar when he was quizzed by congress. Time showed that indeed he was lying. The stock market is just a sophisticated gambling den. It will go and down on a whim. It's a good place to lose your money. Maybe so. But the US is built on a free economy. It's like the old saying, Let the buyer beware. For the time being, the Fed's tools appear to be working. It's possible Bernanke could just jawbone his way through Wall Street and revive the economy. Meanwhile, the president and Congress have not come up with a long-term plan to address deficit spending and the national debt. It's a miracle the US government is still solvent. We need to remind our politicians that they cannot sweep this problem under the rug.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
Vaj, as I understand it, the TM people don't make hay from the mere presence of alpha waves, but rather from alpha coherence, which is wide spread over the various lobes. Is that not correct? Am I missing something here? Someone correct me if I am wrong. Cheers Bill From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?) On Jul 13, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Bhairitu wrote: On 07/13/2011 12:17 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: [...] You probably know that most brain wave research would say that deep sleep would be the delta state which is possible to produce through meditation too. Back in the 1970s I was part of a university study on meditation and had an EEG test. The researcher was looking for alpha waves but I produced theta. We now know that theta states (as well as delta) are signs of deeper states of mediation. I don't know why the movement keeps pushing alpha states. The most consistent EEG changes during TM they have found are in the Alpha band in certain parts of the brain, especially during episodes of pure consciousness. There's no justifiable reason to push anything else. L. Sure, because TM is only yoga lite. :-D Just simple breathing exercises can produce alpha states. The much-touted witnessing of advanced TMers is seen in normal humans all the time, but esp. in the elderly and people in pain. Big whoop. As the Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness put it Other relaxation techniques have led to the same EEG profile, and studies thatemployed counter-balanced control relaxation conditions consistently found a lack of alpha power increases or even decreases when comparing relaxation or hypnosis to TM meditation. I hope those folks who are so wowed about TM remember to take an Ativan before they ever venture into Disneyworld or a Benihana steak house.
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