Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
snip NONE of the advertised get rid of mole products and cures work, except one. Build a fence. Or, if you can't afford a new fence, get a cat that likes to hunt. My cat has decimated my mole population and my mouse population and unfortunately, too many birds as well. The neighbors have even thanked me for the good work Alfonso does. I wait for the possums to take the carcasses - there are too many to keep up with. You must read Judy's posts, because you comment on her posts frequently. I don't see her *asking* for the put-downs, but I do see her *defending* herself, and if you can't handle it like a gentleman, than oh well. Why should she pretend to be less intelligent and articulate and debate-worthy than she is to assuage another's ego. I mean really, she hasn't *destroyed* you yet, has she, after all these years of the back and forth between you? She never lied about why Ravi was removed - she is demented you say - he was removed for more than one reason, IMO. Intimating that she might Google-bomb someone (whatever that means) is simply malicious. She's one of the few here who use their real name, btw. The power you give her is pretty funny actually - she has never indicated she wanted to *destroy* anyone as her purpose in posting. Yes, she doesn't like you and disputes much of what you say as manipulation of truth, etc., but she does this in present time. It may be because you and she have shared internet forums for many years and this has resulted in your various opinions about each other solidifying in opposition, or it may be that she simply presents an ongoing alternative viewpoint to yours, or of your behavior, in present time as it continues. Btw, why is it that when women disagree or advocate their position, it's called arguing? I had a recent sub-contractor in my house who accused me of arguing - I told his boss to let him know I was negotiating. I got what I wanted, and he shook my hand on the way out. Long day, I've been on a bit of a roll. Just trying to keep things in balance. Miss me when I'm gone, alright? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. Not wishing to speak for iranitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy, I would suggest that former grade school teachers are still more than capable of teaching the ABCs and basic reading skills if called upon to do so, but are not likely to spend their time at home reading the Dick And Jane books. Exactly! What an apt analogy. And did I not say, that I relearned all the material, the puja, the steps verbatim? Is it not clear that the whole process of initiation is scripted? And did I not spend innumerable hours in my life meditating this way? And, of course I told my initiates, that I don't meditate the TM way anymore, and they were not at least disturbed by this. Sometimes I think, what's wrong with these people like Lawson, or Judy or Nabby, what makes a person react like this? I will, against my better judgement, weigh in on this. Not to engage in yet another round of whack-a-mole with those whose lives are so sad that they revolve around trying to start and then declare that they've won arguments on the Internet, but to hopefully to do what I was trying to do with Curtis at the end -- help others to avoid the suffering before it comes. I learned a lot about how to deal with Internet ego addicts by trying to plant and maintain a garden in the Netherlands. We have moles here. Lots of moles. From their side, they're just trying to eat, much the same way that the Internet ego-moles try to keep their egos alive and puffed up by starting arguments and then feeding off of the people they suck into those arguments. But on another, they're eating the plants in MY garden, man. NONE of the advertised get rid of mole products and cures work, except one. Build a fence. The fence has to extend several feet below the surface of the ground, so that they can't crawl or tunnel under it. Once you build this fence, the moles are left outside the garden, prob- ably spitting and cursing and angry, because they can't get inside to the tasty plants they want to devour. Similarly, the only way I've found to effectively deal with an Internet ego-mole is to ignore their silly asses as if they don't exist. Curtis finally became aware of the wisdom of this, and wrote Judy out of his life forever. So, for the most part (except for Public Service
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. --- , turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Not wishing to speak for iranitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy, I would suggest that former grade school teachers are still more than capable of teaching the ABCs and basic reading skills if called upon to do so, but are not likely to spend their time at home reading the Dick And Jane books. --- , iranitea no_reply@ wrote: Exactly! What an apt analogy. And did I not say, that I relearned all the material, the puja, the steps verbatim? Is it not clear that the whole process of initiation is scripted? And did I not spend innumerable hours in my life meditating this way? And, of course I told my initiates, that I don't meditate the TM way anymore, and they were not at least disturbed by this. Sometimes I think, what's wrong with these people like Lawson, or Judy or Nabby, what makes a person react like this? --- In turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: You're dealing with a person so demented that she'd lie about why Ravi was removed from this forum, claiming that it was because he revealed someone's real name. I am *amazed* that no one called her on this, but then most are aware of what I said above, and just don't want to interface with her at all. Rick didn't remove Ravi from the forum because he revealed the real name of a poster here; that is ludicrous. We all knew that poster's real name, pretty much from Day One. What he did was to -- out of spite, and because he was constantly getting strokes from Judy for piling on to this person -- start to make up stories about the person being a pervert, and having had a history of abusing people he was teaching. Ravi had never even *met* the person he said this about, and was never a member of the organization he said he'd done these terrible things in. He just wanted to say something nasty about someone and gets strokes from Judy for saying it, so he called him a pervert. The person he was doing this to works *in public schools*. Every time he approaches a new school, he knows that the moment he walks out of the door after a presentation, the school officials are going to Google his name. So what did Ravi do? He Google-bombed this person such that when you Google his name, several FFL topics pop to the top of the list that claim he's a pervert or molester. THAT is what Ravi did to get kicked off of FFL. Besides being out of his fucking gourd and getting *worse* as a result of people like Judy using him as a pawn to further their own sad grudges, of course. If she'll lie about this, she'll lie about anything. It doesn't *matter* how much sense you make, or how you can bring the voice of true experience to your stories of what it's like to live in and be part of the TMO. She -- who was *never* a part of the TMO and will never be -- will *always* find a way to twist what you say and turn it into a dig at you. Consider yourself lucky she doesn't know your real name, or you might find yourself Google-bombed as well. Keeping the names of anonymous posters confidential is the group policy, ethical guidelines. I was under the impression that it was under this basis Ravi was booted out. In fact I remember Buck saying, you and someone else should be booted out for revealing names. Now you are confusing me. Hey Alex and Rick, Tell me why Ravi was booted out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: snip At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. No, that isn't what's discouraging businesses. What's discouraging business is lack of demand, which is a function of high unemployment and low wages. Judy, The reason why the businesses are discouraged is because they don't see how the national debt is going to be paid. With that uncertainty, business owners and corporations are protecting their economic viability by cutting back on business expansion and hiring personnel. The businesses want to be assured as to how the national debt is going to be paid. Without that clarity of purpose, the businesses have decided to stash their unused funds in banks. Those funds are not doing much given the low interest rates. Those unused funds are stagnating the economy, which in turn are causing the high unemployment rate in the USA. In the past, the solution was for the government to create jobs by spending money on public works. But this time around, the government cannot afford to do that anymore. It must let the American businesses to pick up the responsibility of creating these new jobs. The businesses are more effective and swift in creating these new jobs than the government, which is mired in bureaucracy and politics. If the government is clear on how the national debt will be paid, the businesses will automatically unleash their unused assets to make more money. This will increase the hiring of people which in turn will pick up the economy. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's the Technology, Stupid!!!'
On 06/10/2012 03:36 PM, Robert wrote: Does anyone realize besides me, that the advances in technology has replaced some jobs, permanently?... Did you know that Google replaces hundreds of man-hours of research in seconds? Did you know that modern agricultural equipment, replaces thousands of people in the fields? Do you realize that cars have replaced horses? Have you noticed that the internet has replaced the need for newspapers? Have you heard that music and movies can be down-loaded from the internet? Can you dig, that we got rid of some of our thousands of nuclear weapons, because of the 'over-kill' factor? Did you know that, marijuana is a whole lot safer to use than alcohol? Can you see that in the year, 2012...it is a whole lot different than it was in 1776? If you can see these things, then you will know that there will never be the kind of job market that we've had in the past... There will never be the situation we had in the 1930's as there is more than enough food to eat and it is being distributed excellently, even though some of it is bought with food stamps, would you rather these folks starve? It is funny that the 'soul-less' one, Mitt Romney, is vieing to 'save America's soul!... What a false notion that that is, my friend... Robert --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Time for a new leisure society? I was thinkin' the other day someone is going to design clothes (probably already happened) that could be made entirely by machine instead of employing a bunch of people in a sweat shop doing such boring work. Likewise a lot of the assembly of circuit boards could be entirely automated eliminating those sweat shops. Sometimes when I notice little kids running around in a store bumping into people and their dumbass parents do nothing, I think, that couple should have been neutered! So maybe it is time for that too. Do we really want 9 billion people on this planet in a few short years? Everyone could have a guaranteed income paid as a stipend. Want more, then you can work. My bet is that a lot of people would settle for the stipend and free time. People probably would socialize more (just not entirely online) and some would be creative with their time. Could be a wonderful world. Amazingly, we already have the technological capability to create such a civilisation. It's just the political structure that is obsolete. A 'socialistic political system' will counterbalance a 'capitalistic economic system'. A kind or Yin-Yang balance. Besides the world financial system is obsolete. Once someone like Richard Branson starts bringing tonnes of Gold from the asteroids, gold value will plunge. Once the billions of 'floating dollars' in the world financial system start returning back to the US, like chickens coming back to roost, inflation is going to hit skyhigh. US dollar might be worse off than toilet paper.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Yup, even Oprah. Most of the populace is sleepwalking. They live in a world of pre-concieved notions and one-dimensional points of view. The benefit of enlightenment is that it makes you more aware and takes you out of the sleepwalk and dreamworld. And there are people in the world who don't like the public to be that awake. The mass sleep-walking has been going on a long time...it is becoming more difficult to keep the people asleep... This is what the Mayans were telling us... The sleep-walking is coming to an end... Instant karma is going to get all of us now...things are speeding up, haven't you noticed.. People are at least realizing that they are not getting the whole story, the whole picture... Is is up to the ones who have awakened, and there are a lot of us, to shake, rattle and roll the rest to wake the hell up! The WWII did that. Since 1945 this process has been going pretty smoothly thanks to Maharishi and other Masters, without the need for anyone to rattle and roll. Read more if you wish here: Spiritual Hierarchy The Masters of Wisdom, together forming the Spiritual Hierarchy, are the custodians of the Divine Plan for this planet. They have inspired all the great human achievements, working from behind the scenes through their disciples in every field of endeavor. The Masters guide and teach, but it is humanity itself, responding of its own free will to their stimulus, which creates each new civilization. Today, the Masters are returning to the outer world as a group for the first time in countless millennia. http://www.share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2012/2012-04.htm Robert
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: snip At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. No, that isn't what's discouraging businesses. What's discouraging business is lack of demand, which is a function of high unemployment and low wages. Therefore, *once again*, take money OUT of the private sector to give it BACK to the private sector (after the bureaucracy has taken a bite out of it of course), makes sense Judy?! I think we've gone to the well once too often for this to work again, we're about to be consumed by a GIANT of debt!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
a cat???rra---e here at FFL ? [:D] Hhuuu Now should this old owl be afraid though he had no Gown of Gauze -No Ringlet, to his Hair,Nor hopped to Audiences - like Birds,One Claw upon the Air ?... What's that moving in FFL corner What's that shadow on the FFL wall Should he be afraid, should he be scared It really is nothing at all But he saw something in the corner A shadow crossed the wall It's just his imagination Look! It's just him the old merudanda owl (whooo) Nay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqmba7npY8gfeature=related Cannot resist to quote this lovely poem by Emily Dickinson (written about 1862),tooShe sights a Bird - she chuckles - She flattens - then she crawls - She runs without the look of feet - Her eyes increase to Balls - Her Jaws stir - twitching - hungry - Her Teeth can hardly stand - She leaps, but Robin leaped the first - Ah, Pussy, of the Sand, The Hopes so juicy ripening - You almost bathed your Tongue - When Bliss disclosed a hundred Toes - And fled with every one - what would scare this old Owl here at FFL? May be a Pussycat with hiccups? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8SdQT2tdJ8 [:D] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: snip NONE of the advertised get rid of mole products and cures work, except one. Build a fence. Or, if you can't afford a new fence, get a cat that likes to hunt. My cat has decimated my mole population and my mouse population and unfortunately, too many birds as well. The neighbors have even thanked me for the good work Alfonso does. I wait for the possums to take the carcasses - there are too many to keep up with. You must read Judy's posts, because you comment on her posts frequently. I don't see her *asking* for the put-downs, but I do see her *defending* herself, and if you can't handle it like a gentleman, than oh well. Why should she pretend to be less intelligent and articulate and debate-worthy than she is to assuage another's ego. I mean really, she hasn't *destroyed* you yet, has she, after all these years of the back and forth between you? She never lied about why Ravi was removed - she is demented you say - he was removed for more than one reason, IMO. Intimating that she might Google-bomb someone (whatever that means) is simply malicious. She's one of the few here who use their real name, btw. The power you give her is pretty funny actually - she has never indicated she wanted to *destroy* anyone as her purpose in posting. Yes, she doesn't like you and disputes much of what you say as manipulation of truth, etc., but she does this in present time. It may be because you and she have shared internet forums for many years and this has resulted in your various opinions about each other solidifying in opposition, or it may be that she simply presents an ongoing alternative viewpoint to yours, or of your behavior, in present time as it continues. Btw, why is it that when women disagree or advocate their position, it's called arguing? I had a recent sub-contractor in my house who accused me of arguing - I told his boss to let him know I was negotiating. I got what I wanted, and he shook my hand on the way out. Long day, I've been on a bit of a roll. Just trying to keep things in balance. Miss me when I'm gone, alright? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. Not wishing to speak for iranitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy, I would suggest that former grade school teachers are still more than capable of teaching the ABCs and basic reading skills if called upon to do so, but are not likely to spend their time at home reading the Dick And Jane books. Exactly! What an apt analogy. And did I not say, that I relearned all the material, the puja, the steps verbatim? Is it not clear that the whole process of initiation is scripted? And did I not spend innumerable hours in my life meditating this way? And, of course I told my initiates, that I don't meditate the TM way anymore, and they were not at least disturbed by this. Sometimes I think, what's wrong with these people like Lawson, or Judy or Nabby, what makes a person react like this? I will, against my better judgement, weigh in on this. Not to engage in yet another round of whack-a-mole with those whose lives are so sad that they revolve around trying to start and then declare that they've won arguments on the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
On Jun 10, 2012, at 6:51 PM, iranitea wrote: In these dialogues I found Lawson and most of the pro TM-ers here extremely dense and blocked by their typical TM concepts. (concepts I can still use for teaching, but in a less dogmatic way, and with more openness.) If there's one thing you can say about TMers, they are locked into their paradigm and have a hard time stepping outside that box.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: snip At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. No, that isn't what's discouraging businesses. What's discouraging business is lack of demand, which is a function of high unemployment and low wages. Judy, The reason why the businesses are discouraged is because they don't see how the national debt is going to be paid. With that uncertainty, business owners and corporations are protecting their economic viability by cutting back on business expansion and hiring personnel. The businesses want to be assured as to how the national debt is going to be paid. Without that clarity of purpose, the businesses have decided to stash their unused funds in banks. Those funds are not doing much given the low interest rates. Those unused funds are stagnating the economy, which in turn are causing the high unemployment rate in the USA. In the past, the solution was for the government to create jobs by spending money on public works. But this time around, the government cannot afford to do that anymore. It must let the American businesses to pick up the responsibility of creating these new jobs. The businesses are more effective and swift in creating these new jobs than the government, which is mired in bureaucracy and politics. If the government is clear on how the national debt will be paid, the businesses will automatically unleash their unused assets to make more money. This will increase the hiring of people which in turn will pick up the economy. JR The National Debt., is a bogus issue... The reason for the Debt. is unfunded wars and exessive military spending... The reason corporations are hoarding their money, because that is what they do... Corporations are not into road building, taking care of poor people, building things that serve the public if there's no profit in it... Corporations are not people; they are business entities, with profits their only motive... No one really cares about the national debt... It doesn't really matter... Reagan created debt...Clinton cleaned up the debt... It's all just a bunch of bull... The real issue is that the deck is stacked... It's all manipulation and the Republicans are good at brainwashing... There is so much hoarded money at the top of the food chain, that of many times the National Debt... As far as a 'gold standard' that is really ridiculous... With trillions of dollars created by the enormous wealth that has been produce by technology, there is not enough gold on earth to cover that kind of wealth... Who cares about the National Debt...no one, really!
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 06/10/2012 01:09 PM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 06/10/2012 10:46 AM, John wrote: It cannot be done over one term of an incumbent president. The plan of reduction should be done over 10 years. The initial steps are as follows: 1. End the war in Afghanistan and stay of any wars in the future. Oh the military industrial complex bandits won't let that happen. It's kills their cash cow scam. Where else (other than oil) do you have a product that customers destroy and come back for more? The US is now at war with its own tendency to spend more than what it earns. The US national debt is most likely greater than the national debt during WWII. Beside, the military industrial complex will still make its money even without wars. The military is continually upgrading its war assets by purchasing stealth airplanes, warships, and tanks. 2. Repeal the Bush Tax Cut Absolutely and raise taxes on the rich. Go back to at least the progressive taxes that Clinton had though I would like to see them at the Eisenhower era level. Right now materialistic pigs win while those who aren't so enthralled about money lose. This is more likely the final scenario to pay for the national debt. This was how the US was able to pay for its war debts after WWII. 3. Elect representatives and senators who are willing to compromise party idealogy for the sake of reducing the national debt. And perhaps ones that understand today's technology too. Most barely know how to use their Blackberries. The American voters will soon have to make this decision sooner than later. 4. Maintain the present low interest rates for borrowing money as monitored by the Federal Reserve Board. However the Fed is the foxes running the hen house. Maybe we ought to do away with it. Beleive it or not, the Federal Reserve Board is running the American economy through its control of the interest rates for borrowing. At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. There is a lot of money owned by businesses that is needlessly stashed away in banks for fear of recession and lack of government leadership in where the country is headed. Once the four items above are followed, the American public will be relieved of their doubts and businesses will be more confident in investing and hiring workers for the future of the country. JR However the US is beyond repair. Erase the blackboard and start over. Do I hear some 5 year olds crying? Oh no, I'm hearing corporate execs crying but they sound like 5 year olds. Somebody said that socialism will only work in small countries. Well, capitalism works like shit in big countries. Remember that third law of thermodynamics? Capitalism increases entropy in the system producing chaos. It is sink or swim economics and majority winds up drowning. For your information, I've made my recommendations based on the USA natal chart. If you analyze it carefully, you'll understand the American culture and psychology. The country is best suited for democracy, competition, and business, high technology and cutting-edge scientific innovation. IMO, it will not be suited for socialism. Which horoscope? There are a bunch of different US horoscopes. The country is really an amalgamation of states so it has always been difficult to erect a proper chart. I'm using the natal chart erected for July 4, 1776, at about 6:30 pm standard time, Philadelphia, PA. The ascendant should be Sagittarius. This date and time were researched by Kelleher, a California jyotishi. IMO, it represents the US culture and history fairly well. I know if I were born in 1776, I would hope I evolved from my chart back then... Saying that the United States is not suitable for 'Socialism' is about like saying that the United States is not well suited for 'Facism'... These words hold too much negative connotation, and blocks one from seeing the truth of the matter... The truth is that capitalism has worked so well for some, that they hold most of the money, and it has
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: snip At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. No, that isn't what's discouraging businesses. What's discouraging business is lack of demand, which is a function of high unemployment and low wages. Therefore, *once again*, take money OUT of the private sector to give it BACK to the private sector (after the bureaucracy has taken a bite out of it of course), makes sense Judy?! I think we've gone to the well once too often for this to work again, we're about to be consumed by a GIANT of debt! The giant debt is equal to the hoarding of money at the top. R.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's the Technology, Stupid!!!'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: On 06/10/2012 03:36 PM, Robert wrote: Does anyone realize besides me, that the advances in technology has replaced some jobs, permanently?... Did you know that Google replaces hundreds of man-hours of research in seconds? Did you know that modern agricultural equipment, replaces thousands of people in the fields? Do you realize that cars have replaced horses? Have you noticed that the internet has replaced the need for newspapers? Have you heard that music and movies can be down-loaded from the internet? Can you dig, that we got rid of some of our thousands of nuclear weapons, because of the 'over-kill' factor? Did you know that, marijuana is a whole lot safer to use than alcohol? Can you see that in the year, 2012...it is a whole lot different than it was in 1776? If you can see these things, then you will know that there will never be the kind of job market that we've had in the past... There will never be the situation we had in the 1930's as there is more than enough food to eat and it is being distributed excellently, even though some of it is bought with food stamps, would you rather these folks starve? It is funny that the 'soul-less' one, Mitt Romney, is vieing to 'save America's soul!... What a false notion that that is, my friend... Robert --- Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Time for a new leisure society? I was thinkin' the other day someone is going to design clothes (probably already happened) that could be made entirely by machine instead of employing a bunch of people in a sweat shop doing such boring work. Likewise a lot of the assembly of circuit boards could be entirely automated eliminating those sweat shops. Sometimes when I notice little kids running around in a store bumping into people and their dumbass parents do nothing, I think, that couple should have been neutered! So maybe it is time for that too. Do we really want 9 billion people on this planet in a few short years? Everyone could have a guaranteed income paid as a stipend. Want more, then you can work. My bet is that a lot of people would settle for the stipend and free time. People probably would socialize more (just not entirely online) and some would be creative with their time. Could be a wonderful world. Amazingly, we already have the technological capability to create such a civilisation. It's just the political structure that is obsolete. A 'socialistic political system' will counterbalance a 'capitalistic economic system'. A kind or Yin-Yang balance. Besides the world financial system is obsolete. Once someone like Richard Branson starts bringing tonnes of Gold from the asteroids, gold value will plunge. Once the billions of 'floating dollars' in the world financial system start returning back to the US, like chickens coming back to roost, inflation is going to hit skyhigh. US dollar might be worse off than toilet paper. We do need a balance...this is true... No one cares about gold... You can't eat gold... There Is Enough to go Around! There is enough to go around... It's only the greed that is the problem... Look at Donald Trump and everything he stands for... There are thousands of people like him... They are all for themselves, pumping up their enormous ego... They are demonic and have no spiritual principles other than to make a mockery of everything good and holy! Robert.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's the Technology, Stupid!!!'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: Look at Donald Trump and everything he stands for... There are thousands of people like him... They are all for themselves, pumping up their enormous ego... They are demonic and have no spiritual principles other than to make a mockery of everything good and holy! Why do you post such things on FFL, there are NO such people here ! Robert.
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But then could they really be called TMers? Perhaps there are gradations of TMing (-: From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Logically the only thing that one can say about TMers is that they practice TM. If that. :-) I used to know meditators and former TM teachers in L.A. who hadn't practiced TM regularly in years, but pretended to so that they could go to Charlie Lutes' Friday night talks to partake in the social scene. From: Vaj vajradhatu@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - On Jun 10, 2012, at 6:51 PM, iranitea wrote: In these dialogues I found Lawson and most of the pro TM-ers here extremely dense and blocked by their typical TM concepts. (concepts I can still use for teaching, but in a less dogmatic way, and with more openness.) If there's one thing you can say about TMers, they are locked into their paradigm and have a hard time stepping outside that box.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I used to know meditators and former TM teachers in L.A. who hadn't practiced TM regularly in years, but pretended to so that they could go to Charlie Lutes' Friday night talks to partake in the social scene. And get laid. Much like an american living in Amsterdam posting here :-)
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Interesting irony. Wasn't Charlie the one who said that meditating and then being physically intimate was like filling up the bathtub and then pulling the drain plug? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I used to know meditators and former TM teachers in L.A. who hadn't practiced TM regularly in years, but pretended to so that they could go to Charlie Lutes' Friday night talks to partake in the social scene. And get laid. Much like an american living in Amsterdam posting here :-)
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Btw, why is it that when women disagree or advocate their position, it's called arguing? Or worse, called being unreasonable or emotional. Just remember, the Dalai Lama said the world would be saved by Western women (-: From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - snip NONE of the advertised get rid of mole products and cures work, except one. Build a fence. Or, if you can't afford a new fence, get a cat that likes to hunt. My cat has decimated my mole population and my mouse population and unfortunately, too many birds as well. The neighbors have even thanked me for the good work Alfonso does. I wait for the possums to take the carcasses - there are too many to keep up with. You must read Judy's posts, because you comment on her posts frequently. I don't see her *asking* for the put-downs, but I do see her *defending* herself, and if you can't handle it like a gentleman, than oh well. Why should she pretend to be less intelligent and articulate and debate-worthy than she is to assuage another's ego. I mean really, she hasn't *destroyed* you yet, has she, after all these years of the back and forth between you? She never lied about why Ravi was removed - she is demented you say - he was removed for more than one reason, IMO. Intimating that she might Google-bomb someone (whatever that means) is simply malicious. She's one of the few here who use their real name, btw. The power you give her is pretty funny actually - she has never indicated she wanted to *destroy* anyone as her purpose in posting. Yes, she doesn't like you and disputes much of what you say as manipulation of truth, etc., but she does this in present time. It may be because you and she have shared internet forums for many years and this has resulted in your various opinions about each other solidifying in opposition, or it may be that she simply presents an ongoing alternative viewpoint to yours, or of your behavior, in present time as it continues. Btw, why is it that when women disagree or advocate their position, it's called arguing? I had a recent sub-contractor in my house who accused me of arguing - I told his boss to let him know I was negotiating. I got what I wanted, and he shook my hand on the way out. Long day, I've been on a bit of a roll. Just trying to keep things in balance. Miss me when I'm gone, alright? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. Not wishing to speak for iranitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy, I would suggest that former grade school teachers are still more than capable of teaching the ABCs and basic reading skills if called upon to do so, but are not likely to spend their time at home reading the Dick And Jane books. Exactly! What an apt analogy. And did I not say, that I relearned all the material, the puja, the steps verbatim? Is it not clear that the whole process of initiation is scripted? And did I not spend innumerable hours in my life meditating this way? And, of course I told my initiates, that I don't meditate the TM way anymore, and they were not at least disturbed by this. Sometimes I think, what's wrong with these people like Lawson, or Judy or Nabby, what makes a person react like this? I will, against my better judgement, weigh in on this. Not to engage in yet another round of whack-a-mole with those whose lives are so sad that they revolve around trying to start and then declare that they've won arguments on the Internet, but to hopefully to do what I was trying to do with Curtis at the end -- help others to avoid the suffering before it comes. I learned a lot about how to deal with Internet ego addicts by trying to plant and maintain a garden in the Netherlands. We have moles here. Lots of moles. From their side, they're just trying to eat, much the same way that the Internet ego-moles try to keep their egos alive and puffed up by starting arguments and then feeding off of the people they suck into those arguments. But on another, they're eating the plants in MY garden, man. NONE of the advertised get rid of mole products and cures work, except one. Build a fence. The fence has to extend several feet below the surface of the ground, so that they can't crawl or tunnel under it. Once
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. Not wishing to speak for inanitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy, I would suggest that former grade school teachers are still more than capable of teaching the ABCs and basic reading skills if called upon to do so, but are not likely to spend their time at home reading the Dick And Jane books. Exactly! What an apt analogy. And did I not say, that I relearned all the material, the puja, the steps verbatim? Is it not clear that the whole process of initiation is scripted? And did I not spend innumerable hours in my life meditating this way? And, of course I told my initiates, that I don't meditate the TM way anymore, and they were not at least disturbed by this. Sometimes I think, what's wrong with these people like Lawson, or Judy or Nabby, what makes a person react like this? They are, I believe, obviously not concerned with meditation itself - the instructions were clear, nor the experiences, no, I think it is a tribal thing, he belongs to us, or he doesn't belong to us. Meditation itself, which is supposed to expand boundaries, is used to define the 'tribe' itself, is the person sitting next to me in the dome thinking the correct mantra? (We don't know which mantra, since there are so many in TM, neither which 'fertilizer' he has, but is it correct?) Maybe he radiates the wrong vibe, I smell, sniff, sniff, he doesn't belong to us. For some people here, the TM instructions, collected from stray remarks of their favorite teachers have become something like a religion in itself. They are as if chiseled in stone in their memory which they worship. I think it must have something to do with a reptilian part of our brain, tribal consciousness. I want to add to this, that I have discussed, especially with Lawson, my own present experiences in meditation, as blusc0ut. There is no way he could understand, if he would be willing that is, and there is no way I could change it, if I so wanted, which is not the case. In these dialogues I found Lawson and most of the pro TM-ers here extremely dense and blocked by their typical TM concepts. (concepts I can still use for teaching, but in a less dogmatic way, and with more openness.) Yep, I'm completely blocked etc. Thanks for pointing out my shortcomings. L
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: [...] I'll drop out of this now, and allow you to either con- tinue to interact with her or build your own ego-mole fence. It's your call. I'm simply giving you the advice of someone she has cyberstalked on the Internet for OVER SEVENTEEN YEARS. You know, it is interesting... I recall one of the earliest interactions between you and Judy Way Back When: You had just finished your story about Clint Eastwood's hole-ridden socks and Judy complemented you by asking if you had ever considered becoming a professional writer. 17 years later, and you guys STILL haven't gotten that room... L.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 10, 2012, at 6:51 PM, iranitea wrote: In these dialogues I found Lawson and most of the pro TM-ers here extremely dense and blocked by their typical TM concepts. (concepts I can still use for teaching, but in a less dogmatic way, and with more openness.) If there's one thing you can say about TMers, they are locked into their paradigm and have a hard time stepping outside that box. If there's one thing you can say about former TMers who frequent this forum, they are as certain that they are correct now as they were then. L
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On Jun 11, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Share Long wrote: Logically the only thing that one can say about TMers is that they practice TM. Actually, using logic, there are many things you can say about TMers. For example: “a compendium of 75 studies of TM technique in 2000 [which] found that 63% of practitioners suffered long-term negative mental health consequences from the repeated dissociation – or disconnection – with reality caused by going into a trance-like state” To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: [...] I'll drop out of this now, and allow you to either con- tinue to interact with her or build your own ego-mole fence. It's your call. I'm simply giving you the advice of someone she has cyberstalked on the Internet for OVER SEVENTEEN YEARS. You know, it is interesting... I recall one of the earliest interactions between you and Judy Way Back When: You had just finished your story about Clint Eastwood's hole-ridden socks and Judy complemented you by asking if you had ever considered becoming a professional writer. 17 years later, and you guys STILL haven't gotten that room... You may be correct about her motivation for stalking. Hell hath no fury like a woman who's been told by a guy that he'd rather be torn asunder by small but toothy rodents than get a room with her. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Mindfulness for OCD
Still practicing TM and still dealing with OCD? Consider Mindfulness Based Behavioral Therapy (MBBT): http://www.hope4ocd.com/downloads/OCF2007_MBBT.pdf http://www.buddhistvihara.com/newsletters/2002-summer/madnessto.htm http://mindfulocd.wordpress.com/ http://exposingocd.blogspot.com/2010/04/mindfulness-and-ocd-full- catastrophe.html
[FairfieldLife] India saves old Vedic pals??
India seems to be about to save the hopelessly old-fashioned cell phone maker of their old Vedic pals, the Finno-Ugric Siberian mammoth hunters: http://www.asianage.com/business/indian-consumers-prefer-nokia-phones-dual-sim-space-nielsen-594 ROFLMAO!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 11, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Share Long wrote: Logically the only thing that one can say about TMers is that they practice TM. Actually, using logic, there are many things you can say about TMers. For example: a compendium of 75 studies of TM technique in 2000 [which] found that 63% of practitioners suffered long-term negative mental health consequences from the repeated dissociation or disconnection with reality caused by going into a trance-like state Vaj, I thot ya knew that's mentioned even in the YS: saucaat svaan.ga-jugupsaa parair asaMsargaH... TM may lead to supreme *inner* purity! I bet in Western psychiatry feeling disgust (jugupsaa) towards ones own body (svaan.ga) and other people's bodies is considered a symptom of some kind of mental disorder, or stuff!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness for OCD
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Still practicing TM and still dealing with OCD? Consider Mindfulness Based Behavioral Therapy (MBBT): Mindfulness is paying attention in a particular way: on purpose, in the present moment, and nonjudgmentally. - Jon Kabat-Zinn 'Wherever You Go, There You Are; Mindfulness Meditation in Everyday Life by Jon Kabat-Zinn Hyperion, 1994
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: [...] I'll drop out of this now, and allow you to either con- tinue to interact with her or build your own ego-mole fence. It's your call. I'm simply giving you the advice of someone she has cyberstalked on the Internet for OVER SEVENTEEN YEARS. You know, it is interesting... I recall one of the earliest interactions between you and Judy Way Back When: No, you don't. This is the THIRD time now you've repeated this. I've corrected you twice on it: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/278358 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/274728 You had just finished your story about Clint Eastwood's hole-ridden socks and Judy complemented you by asking if you had ever considered becoming a professional writer. It was someone called BobNA who did this, not moi. 17 years later, and you guys STILL haven't gotten that room... My first extended interaction with Barry involved his lying about something I'd said to him in email. He made his email address public back then, and I foolishly got into a private conversation with him, not realizing how untrustworthy he was. He subsequently posted publicly about the conversation but grossly misrepresented it.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: snip --- , turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip You're dealing with a person so demented that she'd lie about why Ravi was removed from this forum, claiming that it was because he revealed someone's real name. I am *amazed* that no one called her on this, but then most are aware of what I said above, and just don't want to interface with her at all. Rick didn't remove Ravi from the forum because he revealed the real name of a poster here; that is ludicrous. snip Keeping the names of anonymous posters confidential is the group policy, ethical guidelines. I was under the impression that it was under this basis Ravi was booted out. It was. You are correct. Barry is not telling the truth. In fact I remember Buck saying, you and someone else should be booted out for revealing names. Now you are confusing me. Hey Alex and Rick, Tell me why Ravi was booted out. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/301550
[FairfieldLife] Intel's dual-core-advantage-lack-lie!
http://www.techdigest.tv/2012/06/intel_theres_li.html
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip You're dealing with a person so demented that she'd lie about why Ravi was removed from this forum, claiming that it was because he revealed someone's real name. I am *amazed* that no one called her on this, but then most are aware of what I said above, and just don't want to interface with her at all. Rick didn't remove Ravi from the forum because he revealed the real name of a poster here; that is ludicrous. [Ravi] was booted...for intentionally and repeatedly violating the FFL guidelines about posting the real names and personal details of those who prefer to remain anonymous.--Rick Archer, 1/11/12 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/301550 snip If she'll lie about this, she'll lie about anything. Barry hasn't been called the Master of Inadvertent Irony for nothing. If he'll accuse someone of lying when he knows not only that the person was being perfectly truthful but also that the proof that she was being perfectly truthful is on the record in the FFL archive in the form of a post from the owner of the forum, easily retrieved to document his lie, he'll lie about anything (and does). The rest of his post is also crammed full of lies, which most here will recognize as such, so I won't bother to refute them. It's a sickness from which Barry has been suffering ever since I first encountered him 17 years ago. And it's been getting worse and worse as he ages. He likes to claim I've held a grudge for 17 years, but that of course makes no sense when he's continued to lie about me and others for 17 years. snip So what did Ravi do? He Google-bombed this person such that when you Google his name, several FFL topics pop to the top of the list that claim he's a pervert or molester. THAT is what Ravi did to get kicked off of FFL. That may or may not have been taken into consideration, but the fact is that the proximate cause of Ravi being booted was that he had revealed someone else's name.
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I was referring to the internal logic of your sentence. I would call the research you cite research findings. From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - On Jun 11, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Share Long wrote: Logically the only thing that one can say about TMers is that they practice TM. Actually, using logic, there are many things you can say about TMers. For example: “a compendium of 75 studies of TM technique in 2000 [which] found that 63% of practitioners suffered long-term negative mental health consequences from the repeated dissociation – or disconnection – with reality caused by going into a trance-like state” To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Barry, thanks for your kind and well meaning advice. I think you are right. I also enjoy, how you bring up spiritual topics here, like the ego and the wish to debate and win. Who else does it here? This is like a breeze of fresh air. And your articles are readable, not like the slaughterhouse threads she leaves. It was actually this unwholesome Ravi / Robin episode that opened my eyes about her, and her lack of practical experience with people and her lack of discrimination. I still had given her some credit for being smart and logical, but all that goes down the swanny, once you are on the other end of the debate. For all those who keep saying that you are still secretly reading her posts, I will say, that if you do it or not is completely irrelevant, because she reads every word that you write. And it allows you to keep her at a save distance, to not engage with her in her slaughterhouse threads. I think that's just fair game. I enjoy how you do this with humor, and spice it up with satire. So I wish you good luck in Holland, with the moles in your garden, and even more luck with teaching meditation, I think it's a good idea to do it the way, you just described it. We are not so far apart. You mentioned that concentration and effortlessness go together well. That coincides with my own experience, were concentration comes about totally spontaneous. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Similarly, the only way I've found to effectively deal with an Internet ego-mole is to ignore their silly asses as if they don't exist. Curtis finally became aware of the wisdom of this, and wrote Judy out of his life forever. So, for the most part (except for Public Service Announce- ments such as this one) have I. We built a fence. We don't interact with her, we (or at least I) don't bother to read the stuff she posts, and we go on plant- ing and tending to our gardens as if she doesn't exist. It's really the only thing that works. While I applaud your spunk at not being afraid of Judy, and taking her on as you have, it isn't going to work. She'll *always* declare that she's won every exchange, and simply redouble her efforts to keep you engaged and arguing with her. THAT is what she's after; that is ALL that she's after. Insulting you and trying to erode your credibility in the eyes of other posters here is gravy, for her. She's after the confrontation itself -- getting you to interact with her one-on-one so she can (in her mind, at least) destroy you. My advice is to not fall for it. Build a fence. Allow her to do this with the few people here who haven't figured out her game, and ignore her as if she didn't exist. You'll be happier, you'll have more time to devote to the many valuable things you could contribute here, and she'll be left spitting and cursing and angry, as she should be. You can't win. AS LONG AS SHE CAN KEEP YOU ARGUING WITH HER, SHE HAS ALREADY WON. You're dealing with a person so demented that she'd lie about why Ravi was removed from this forum, claiming that it was because he revealed someone's real name. I am *amazed* that no one called her on this, but then most are aware of what I said above, and just don't want to interface with her at all. Rick didn't remove Ravi from the forum because he revealed the real name of a poster here; that is ludicrous. We all knew that poster's real name, pretty much from Day One. What he did was to -- out of spite, and because he was constantly getting strokes from Judy for piling on to this person -- start to make up stories about the person being a pervert, and having had a history of abusing people he was teaching. Ravi had never even *met* the person he said this about, and was never a member of the organization he said he'd done these terrible things in. He just wanted to say something nasty about someone and gets strokes from Judy for saying it, so he called him a pervert. The person he was doing this to works *in public schools*. Every time he approaches a new school, he knows that the moment he walks out of the door after a presentation, the school officials are going to Google his name. So what did Ravi do? He Google-bombed this person such that when you Google his name, several FFL topics pop to the top of the list that claim he's a pervert or molester. THAT is what Ravi did to get kicked off of FFL. Besides being out of his fucking gourd and getting *worse* as a result of people like Judy using him as a pawn to further their own sad grudges, of course. If she'll lie about this, she'll lie about anything. It doesn't *matter* how much sense you make, or how you can bring the voice of true experience to your stories of what it's like to live in and be part of the TMO. She -- who was *never* a part of the TMO and will never be -- will *always* find a way to twist what you say and turn it into a dig at you. Consider
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: Keeping the names of anonymous posters confidential is the group policy, ethical guidelines. I was under the impression that it was under this basis Ravi was booted out. In fact I remember Buck saying, you and someone else should be booted out for revealing names. Now you are confusing me. Hey Alex and Rick, Tell me why Ravi was booted out. Alex had nothing to do with it; the decision was Rick's. As far as I know, Rick wisely deleted the posts in which associated the victim's name with pervert and cult in its headers, but here is part of the response to being defamed in this way: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cdb cdb@ wrote: Scanning over the posts this morning was a little wake-up call. Imagine my surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just getting started here and I'm not warmed up creatively) to see this in the headers: but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in a cult to prey on innocent women I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting here, I considered unlisting. Not because someone said something inflammatory and untrue about me, but this is a special case of Internet trolling. I have become a repetitive negative focus for someone and I really can't win here. The amount of energy such an individual can expend on such a malicious project is endless (within the 50 posts mercifully) So first thanks and props to Steve who gets that this could have an impact on me professionally, due to the amount of material being generated here. It makes me look like someone with a controversial past which is untrue. No matter how many times I post a rebuttal this will just stoke the enthusiasm for more posting. Flooding a forum like this will a lie repetitively is a power tactic for slander rewarded by search engines for anyone checking me out here. Being associated with a term like pervert is malicious. Not only did Ravi not back down, he escalated things, increasing the number of slanderous posts, and including those who criticized them in his slander. A few points to remember: * Ravi never met the person he slandered this way. * He never learned TM, never attended a TM course, and had no way of even *hearing* the kinds of stuff quoted in the second sentence above. He made it up. This is the person some here considered a font of crazy wisdom, only having fun here on FFL.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Keeping the names of anonymous posters confidential is the group policy, ethical guidelines. I was under the impression that it was under this basis Ravi was booted out. In fact I remember Buck saying, you and someone else should be booted out for revealing names. Now you are confusing me. Hey Alex and Rick, Tell me why Ravi was booted out. Alex had nothing to do with it; the decision was Rick's. Amazing. Barry's doubling down on his lie even after the refutation--from Rick himself--was posted. snip This is the person some here considered a font of crazy wisdom, only having fun here on FFL. Nobody considered him a font of 'crazy wisdom,' and Ravi himself repeatedly asserted he was only having fun when he insulted and, in this case, lied about people.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: Barry, thanks for your kind and well meaning advice. I think you are right. I also enjoy, how you bring up spiritual topics here, like the ego and the wish to debate and win. Who else does it here? This is like a breeze of fresh air. And your articles are readable, not like the slaughterhouse threads she leaves. It was actually this unwholesome Ravi / Robin episode that opened my eyes about her, and her lack of practical experience with people and her lack of discrimination. That kinda blew my mind, too. How could anyone try to parse the things these guys wrote and NOT know that they were dealing with mental disorder. The only thing I can think is that they're so used to seeing that level of mental disorder around them in TM environments that they think it's normal. I still had given her some credit for being smart and logical, but all that goes down the swanny, once you are on the other end of the debate. For all those who keep saying that you are still secretly reading her posts, I will say, that if you do it or not is completely irrelevant, because she reads every word that you write. True that. As I've said many times, I scan FFL first in the website's Message View, in which the first few lines of each post are visible. Anyone who can't tell what she or any other poster is obsessing on from that glimpse is a retard. :-) Besides, I read the full posts of people I respect, like you and a number of others; if they're involved in a discussion or argument with her, naturally I can't help but seeing some of it. But your bottom line is true. She obsesses over my posts, reading every line of them, probably several times. And it allows you to keep her at a save distance, to not engage with her in her slaughterhouse threads. I think that's just fair game. I enjoy how you do this with humor, and spice it up with satire. Humor and the use of satire are even *more* important when dealing with maliciousness, IMO. So I wish you good luck in Holland, with the moles in your garden, and even more luck with teaching meditation, I think it's a good idea to do it the way, you just described it. We are not so far apart. You mentioned that concentration and effortlessness go together well. That coincides with my own experience, were concentration comes about totally spontaneous. I'm just tired of the old TM rhetoric that claims that techniques of effortlessness are somehow bad, and in opposition to techniques of concentration. Even Guru Dev knew better. He seems to have taught both.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: I'm just tired of the old TM rhetoric that claims that techniques of effortlessness are somehow bad, and in opposition to techniques of concentration. Even Guru Dev knew better. He seems to have taught both. Sorry. Reverse that. TMers have a fetish (carefully taught to them by Maharishi) that *concentration* is bad, and effortlessness is in opposition to it. This is such spiritual kindergarten it never fails to blow my mind.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: snip It was actually this unwholesome Ravi / Robin episode that opened my eyes about her, Robin was not involved in the Ravi episode. and her lack of practical experience with people and her lack of discrimination. Quite a few people here liked Ravi when he wasn't being abusive. Note that iranitea ignores the fact that I myself criticized Ravi for his abusive behavior. He also fails to mention that he actually accused me of having fallen in love with Ravi and of seeing him as my guru. (Speaking of lack of practical experience with people and lack of discrimination.) I still had given her some credit for being smart and logical, but all that goes down the swanny, once you are on the other end of the debate. I'm not going to get into a rehash, but the above comment is profoundly disingenuous. For all those who keep saying that you are still secretly reading her posts, I will say, that if you do it or not is completely irrelevant, because she reads every word that you write. It's relevant because he lies about it in an effort to get others not to read my posts as well. Since he can't stop me from posting, he tries to censor me in other ways. And it allows you to keep her at a save distance Telling comment.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: I'm just tired of the old TM rhetoric that claims that techniques of effortlessness are somehow bad, and in opposition to techniques of concentration. Even Guru Dev knew better. He seems to have taught both. Sorry. Reverse that. TMers have a fetish (carefully taught to them by Maharishi) that *concentration* is bad, and effortlessness is in opposition to it. FWIW, I believe saMyama includes concentration (dhaaraNaa), without any expectation of the result (vibhuuti, siddhi), though... This is such spiritual kindergarten it never fails to blow my mind.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: Barry, thanks for your kind and well meaning advice. I think you are right. I also enjoy, how you bring up spiritual topics here, like the ego and the wish to debate and win. Note that iranitea (in his previous incarnation as zarzari) went to some trouble to explain to Barry why debating was a valuable way to challenge and refine one's point of view. Who else does it here? This is like a breeze of fresh air. And your articles are readable, not like the slaughterhouse threads she leaves. It was actually this unwholesome Ravi / Robin episode Again, Robin was not involved in the Ravi episode. that opened my eyes about her, and her lack of practical experience with people and her lack of discrimination. That kinda blew my mind, too. How could anyone try to parse the things these guys wrote and NOT know that they were dealing with mental disorder. Well, you actually would have to read their posts to draw any conclusions. Barry repeatedly boasted that he didn't read Robin's or Ravi's posts. Robin's posts weren't always easy to read, but if you actually made the effort, they were exceptionally meaty and perceptive. Ravi also made some extremely insightful posts. Both of them were far wittier and more entertaining than Barry could ever hope to be. The only thing I can think is that they're so used to seeing that level of mental disorder around them in TM environments that they think it's normal. The only TM environment I'm around is FFL. Same with Emily. Both of us liked Ravi (when he wasn't being abusive) and Robin. A number of the smartest posters on FFL were big fans of Robin, including raunchy and feste and Jim (although Barry would likely point out that the first two live in Fairfield). The reason Barry tries to put down Ravi and Robin is that both of them saw through him. Some of Robin's posts dissecting Barry were brilliant. snip But your bottom line is true. She obsesses over my posts, reading every line of them, probably several times. Nope, only once, sorry. They're not worth a second reading.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 11, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Share Long wrote: Logically the only thing that one can say about TMers is that they practice TM. Actually, using logic, there are many things you can say about TMers. For example: a compendium of 75 studies of TM technique in 2000 [which] found that 63% of practitioners suffered long-term negative mental health consequences from the repeated dissociation or disconnection with reality caused by going into a trance-like state Note that Vaj fails to provide a source for this quote.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: snip At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. No, that isn't what's discouraging businesses. What's discouraging business is lack of demand, which is a function of high unemployment and low wages. Judy, The reason why the businesses are discouraged is because they don't see how the national debt is going to be paid. No, that isn't what's discouraging businesses. What's discouraging business is lack of demand, which is a function of high unemployment and low wages. snip In the past, the solution was for the government to create jobs by spending money on public works. But this time around, the government cannot afford to do that anymore. Sure it can. The reason it can't spend money on public works is because the GOP won't allow it. Remember that the GOP doesn't *want* the economy to improve before the election. It's in its interests to block any measures that would help. snip If the government is clear on how the national debt will be paid, the businesses will automatically unleash their unused assets to make more money. This will increase the hiring of people which in turn will pick up the economy. A much more effective way to pick up the economy would be to increase demand. Once the economy is back on track, that's the time to start working on the deficit, when there will be more of the necessary resources to do so.
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Logically the only thing that one can say about TMers is that they practice TM. Vaj: Actually, using logic, there are many things you can say about TMers. Could you please define 'TMers' for us? For example: a compendium of 75 studies of TM technique in 2000 [which] found that 63% of practitioners suffered long-term negative mental health consequences from the repeated dissociation or disconnection with reality caused by going into a trance-like state... Oh my Gawd! You mean the 'TMers' have been going into a transcendental-like state? LoL!
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I found it interesting that other traditions were amazed that TMers meditated daily. In other traditions it wasn't emphasized. In fact Rick even he'd noticed the same thing when I brought it up. Some gurus give temporary meditations to take care of problems for a while such as planetary complications. On 06/11/2012 04:44 AM, Share Long wrote: But then could they really be called TMers?Perhaps there are gradations of TMing (-: From: turquoisebno_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Longsharelong60@... wrote: Logically the only thing that one can say about TMers is that they practice TM. If that. :-) I used to know meditators and former TM teachers in L.A. who hadn't practiced TM regularly in years, but pretended to so that they could go to Charlie Lutes' Friday night talks to partake in the social scene. From: Vajvajradhatu@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - On Jun 10, 2012, at 6:51 PM, iranitea wrote: In these dialogues I found Lawson and most of the pro TM-ers here extremely dense and blocked by their typical TM concepts. (concepts I can still use for teaching, but in a less dogmatic way, and with more openness.) If there's one thing you can say about TMers, they are locked into their paradigm and have a hard time stepping outside that box.
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Merudanda, you always put me in a good mood. Beautiful post. Reminds me of the poem The owl and the pussycat. by Edward Lear. Ha ha ha. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - a cat???rra---e here at FFL ?Hhuuu Now should this old owl be afraid though he had no Gown of Gauze -No Ringlet, to his Hair,Nor hopped to Audiences - like Birds,One Claw upon the Air ?... What's that moving in FFL corner What's that shadow on the FFL wall Should he be afraid, should he be scared It really is nothing at all But he saw something in the corner A shadow crossed the wall It's just his imagination Look! It's just him the old merudanda owl (whooo) Nay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqmba7npY8gfeature=related Cannot resist to quote this lovely poem by Emily Dickinson (written about 1862),too She sights a Bird - she chuckles - She flattens - then she crawls - She runs without the look of feet - Her eyes increase to Balls - Her Jaws stir - twitching - hungry - Her Teeth can hardly stand - She leaps, but Robin leaped the first - Ah, Pussy, of the Sand, The Hopes so juicy ripening - You almost bathed your Tongue - When Bliss disclosed a hundred Toes - And fled with every one - what would scare this old Owl here at FFL? May be a Pussycat with hiccups? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8SdQT2tdJ8 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: snip NONE of the advertised get rid of mole products and cures work, except one. Build a fence. Or, if you can't afford a new fence, get a cat that likes to hunt. My cat has decimated my mole population and my mouse population and unfortunately, too many birds as well. The neighbors have even thanked me for the good work Alfonso does. I wait for the possums to take the carcasses - there are too many to keep up with. You must read Judy's posts, because you comment on her posts frequently. I don't see her *asking* for the put-downs, but I do see her *defending* herself, and if you can't handle it like a gentleman, than oh well. Why should she pretend to be less intelligent and articulate and debate-worthy than she is to assuage another's ego. I mean really, she hasn't *destroyed* you yet, has she, after all these years of the back and forth between you? She never lied about why Ravi was removed - she is demented you say - he was removed for more than one reason, IMO. Intimating that she might Google-bomb someone (whatever that means) is simply malicious. She's one of the few here who use their real name, btw. The power you give her is pretty funny actually - she has never indicated she wanted to *destroy* anyone as her purpose in posting. Yes, she doesn't like you and disputes much of what you say as manipulation of truth, etc., but she does this in present time. It may be because you and she have shared internet forums for many years and this has resulted in your various opinions about each other solidifying in opposition, or it may be that she simply presents an ongoing alternative viewpoint to yours, or of your behavior, in present time as it continues. Btw, why is it that when women disagree or advocate their position, it's called arguing? I had a recent sub-contractor in my house who accused me of arguing - I told his boss to let him know I was negotiating. I got what I wanted, and he shook my hand on the way out. Long day, I've been on a bit of a roll. Just trying to keep things in balance. Miss me when I'm gone, alright? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. Not wishing to speak for iranitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy, I would suggest that former grade school teachers are still more than capable of teaching the ABCs and basic reading skills if called upon to do so, but are not likely to spend their time at home reading the Dick And Jane books. Exactly! What an apt analogy. And did I not say, that I relearned all the material, the puja, the steps verbatim? Is it not clear that the whole process of initiation is scripted? And did I not spend innumerable hours in my life meditating this way? And, of course I told my initiates, that I don't meditate the TM way anymore,
[FairfieldLife] Sookie and the gang are back...
I meant to post a reminder yesterday but last night was the start of the 5th season of True Blood on HBO (sans Alan Ball). And the 5th season is off to a good start though I wonder how much is being borrowed this round from Being Human. Anyway if you missed the premiere not to worry of course as HBO repeats it through the week as well as being available OnDemand.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I found it interesting that other traditions were amazed that TMers meditated daily. In other traditions it wasn't emphasized. In fact Rick even he'd noticed the same thing when I brought it up. Some gurus give temporary meditations to take care of problems for a while such as planetary complications. The TM movement is literally the only spiritual organization I've ever encountered that attempted to convince its followers that it was necessary to meditate to a fixed schedule, and that bad things would happen to them if they didn't meditate like clockwork. Most organizations suggest that meditating once a day is good, but they are realistic, and suggest that although it is help- ful to set a schedule and try to stick to it, if things come up and you can't get to it, that's normal, and they shouldn't feel bad about that. What's more interesting, in retrospect, is that people who *have* meditated this regularly, and for this long, still think and act the way they do on this forum. If TM worked as described in its intro lectures, would that be true? On 06/11/2012 04:44 AM, Share Long wrote: But then could they really be called TMers?Perhaps there are gradations of TMing (-: From: turquoisebno_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Longsharelong60@ wrote: Logically the only thing that one can say about TMers is that they practice TM. If that. :-) I used to know meditators and former TM teachers in L.A. who hadn't practiced TM regularly in years, but pretended to so that they could go to Charlie Lutes' Friday night talks to partake in the social scene.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: snip You must read Judy's posts, because you comment on her posts frequently. It never seems to occur to Barry that his claim to be ignoring me has no credibility when he continues to attack me. I don't see her *asking* for the put-downs, but I do see her *defending* herself, and if you can't handle it like a gentleman, than oh well. Why should she pretend to be less intelligent and articulate and debate-worthy than she is to assuage another's ego. I mean really, she hasn't *destroyed* you yet, has she, after all these years of the back and forth between you? She never lied about why Ravi was removed - she is demented you say - he was removed for more than one reason, IMO. According to Rick Archer, it was primarily for revealing personal names. Intimating that she might Google-bomb someone (whatever that means) is simply malicious. And thoroughly ridiculous. She's one of the few here who use their real name, btw. The power you give her is pretty funny actually - she has never indicated she wanted to *destroy* anyone as her purpose in posting. It's *amazing* how much power he gives me. How seriously threatening he finds me is obvious from how assiduously he tries to censor me, including by trying to convince other posters (mostly unsuccessfully) not to read or respond to my posts, and by trying to intimidate those who hold opinions similar to mine into keeping them quiet, lest they be accused of being my dupes. The reason he and a couple of others (Vaj and Curtis and now iranitea) find me so threatening is that I don't tolerate their dishonesty. They think they should be allowed to get away with saying anything they damn please about me or other posters they disagree with or about TM-related matters regardless of whether it's true. Yes, she doesn't like you and disputes much of what you say as manipulation of truth, etc., but she does this in present time. It may be because you and she have shared internet forums for many years and this has resulted in your various opinions about each other solidifying in opposition, or it may be that she simply presents an ongoing alternative viewpoint to yours, or of your behavior, in present time as it continues. Precisely. That's why the notion Barry continually tries to promote of my holding a grudge for 17 years is so absurd. It's as if he believes that after having clashed with him once back then, I should never have clashed with him again no matter how frequently he repeats the behavior I criticized him for in the first place. snip From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com snip Once you build this fence, the moles are left outside the garden, prob- ably spitting and cursing and angry, because they can't get inside to the tasty plants they want to devour. This is a peculiar analogy. It's as if Barry believes that if he doesn't engage with me, I can't devour his tasty plants (his dishonesty and other vile behavior). Obviously I can and do. Similarly, the only way I've found to effectively deal with an Internet ego-mole is to ignore their silly asses as if they don't exist. Right, just as he does in this post. snicker Curtis finally became aware of the wisdom of this, and wrote Judy out of his life forever. After having played the filthiest trick I've ever seen on any forum. I think he left FFL back in early April because he knew the reputation he'd worked so hard to build of being a nice guy was in tatters. Shortly after he pulled the trick and it was exposed, he decided he didn't dare interact with me any more, and not long after that he left the group. snip While I applaud your spunk at not being afraid of Judy, and taking her on as you have, it isn't going to work. She'll *always* declare that she's won every exchange She never declares that, actually. and simply redouble her efforts to keep you engaged and arguing with her. THAT is what she's after; that is ALL that she's after. Wrong. I'd much rather simply point out dishonesty and distortion and errors and not have to argue about them (among other reasons, because challenging dishonesty and distortion and errors, when it provokes an argument, almost always generates *more* dishonesty and distortion and errors as the person guilty of the originals tries desperately to defend them). snip ignore her as if she didn't exist. You'll be happier, you'll have more time to devote to the many valuable things you could contribute here, and she'll be left spitting and cursing and angry, as she should be. Actually this will make her very happy because she'll have had the last word. snip I'll drop out of this now, and allow you to either con- tinue to interact with her or build your own ego-mole fence. It's your call. I'm simply giving you the advice of someone she has cyberstalked on the Internet for OVER SEVENTEEN YEARS. I have never cyberstalked Barry. One more lie to add to
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Or worse, being propositioned. I had 8 companies involved in my house over the last two months. One of the contractors actually propositioned me for a quickie. And, after comments like I'd like to see what you look like in a pair of high heels and lets do it quickit to fixit (whatever) and you don't like white boys do you (he was Latino), I played it off as a big joke because I needed the work done and he was good at what he did, but geez, just because I'm single and nearing 50 doesn't mean I'm hard up and desperate. He said he sees my inner beauty. To turn a phrase from the currently departed Curtis, I would rather poke my eye out with an escargot fork than. See ya in July. I'm off to the beach. ~Em From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Btw, why is it that when women disagree or advocate their position, it's called arguing? Or worse, called being unreasonable or emotional. Just remember, the Dalai Lama said the world would be saved by Western women (-: From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - snip NONE of the advertised get rid of mole products and cures work, except one. Build a fence. Or, if you can't afford a new fence, get a cat that likes to hunt. My cat has decimated my mole population and my mouse population and unfortunately, too many birds as well. The neighbors have even thanked me for the good work Alfonso does. I wait for the possums to take the carcasses - there are too many to keep up with. You must read Judy's posts, because you comment on her posts frequently. I don't see her *asking* for the put-downs, but I do see her *defending* herself, and if you can't handle it like a gentleman, than oh well. Why should she pretend to be less intelligent and articulate and debate-worthy than she is to assuage another's ego. I mean really, she hasn't *destroyed* you yet, has she, after all these years of the back and forth between you? She never lied about why Ravi was removed - she is demented you say - he was removed for more than one reason, IMO. Intimating that she might Google-bomb someone (whatever that means) is simply malicious. She's one of the few here who use their real name, btw. The power you give her is pretty funny actually - she has never indicated she wanted to *destroy* anyone as her purpose in posting. Yes, she doesn't like you and disputes much of what you say as manipulation of truth, etc., but she does this in present time. It may be because you and she have shared internet forums for many years and this has resulted in your various opinions about each other solidifying in opposition, or it may be that she simply presents an ongoing alternative viewpoint to yours, or of your behavior, in present time as it continues. Btw, why is it that when women disagree or advocate their position, it's called arguing? I had a recent sub-contractor in my house who accused me of arguing - I told his boss to let him know I was negotiating. I got what I wanted, and he shook my hand on the way out. Long day, I've been on a bit of a roll. Just trying to keep things in balance. Miss me when I'm gone, alright? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. Not wishing to speak for iranitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy, I would suggest that former grade school teachers are still more than capable of teaching the ABCs and basic reading skills if called upon to do so, but are not likely to spend their time at home reading the Dick And Jane books. Exactly! What an apt analogy. And did I not say, that I relearned all the material, the puja, the steps verbatim? Is it not clear that the whole process of initiation is scripted? And did I not spend innumerable hours in my life meditating this way? And, of course I told my initiates, that I don't meditate the TM way anymore, and they were not at least disturbed by this. Sometimes I think, what's wrong with these people like Lawson, or Judy or Nabby, what makes a person react like this? I will, against my better judgement, weigh in on this. Not to
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: The reason Barry tries to put down Ravi and Robin is that both of them saw through him. Some of Robin's posts dissecting Barry were brilliant. Partly correct. The main reason why this Turq-fellow went after Robin, Jim and Ravi was because they seemed ego-free. Can't have that. When the main reason for the two first souls awakening was TM his Ego and anger went ballistic. The easiest thing to do to make the Ego of the Turq go bananas is equate TM with Enlightenment. Since the Buddhists have nobody, 0 nada enlightened souls, nobody must claim Enlightenment from TM. It only serves to remind the Turq that he has wasted his time during all these years since he was in the TMO to get laid. Can't have that.
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TM friends of mine who had children said that the baby became their program. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I found it interesting that other traditions were amazed that TMers meditated daily. In other traditions it wasn't emphasized. In fact Rick even he'd noticed the same thing when I brought it up. Some gurus give temporary meditations to take care of problems for a while such as planetary complications. The TM movement is literally the only spiritual organization I've ever encountered that attempted to convince its followers that it was necessary to meditate to a fixed schedule, and that bad things would happen to them if they didn't meditate like clockwork. Most organizations suggest that meditating once a day is good, but they are realistic, and suggest that although it is help- ful to set a schedule and try to stick to it, if things come up and you can't get to it, that's normal, and they shouldn't feel bad about that. What's more interesting, in retrospect, is that people who *have* meditated this regularly, and for this long, still think and act the way they do on this forum. If TM worked as described in its intro lectures, would that be true? On 06/11/2012 04:44 AM, Share Long wrote: But then could they really be called TMers?Perhaps there are gradations of TMing (-: From: turquoisebno_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Longsharelong60@ wrote: Logically the only thing that one can say about TMers is that they practice TM. If that. :-) I used to know meditators and former TM teachers in L.A. who hadn't practiced TM regularly in years, but pretended to so that they could go to Charlie Lutes' Friday night talks to partake in the social scene.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: I did have a vague memory of it and that's why I asked. You see, large parts of India was reeling under severe power shortages for the past 6 months. No electicity for 9 or 10 hours every day!! There was no time to read the posts properly. I had to skim through the posts very fast. Fortunately the power situation has improved which means more 'computer time' for me. Sorry if I offended you or misunderstood you, Judy. If you live permanently in India Jason, why don't you have a generator ? What parts are you staying ? Hope you don't mind my curiosity :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: So do other traditions have a different kind of sadhana? Inquiry? Seva? An excellent question, and thank you for asking it. I'll let Bharitu post his own reply, but mine would be that -- in my experience, which is different than 'according to what I've been told' -- there are many, many different forms of spiritual sadhana. NONE are in my opinion any better or higher than another. Spiritual organizations I've interfaced with other than the TMO have all seemed to understand the notion of predilection. Not all seekers are created equal. Oh, all of them have an equal shot at enlightenment or awakening or whatever you call it, but they may take different paths to get there. And none of those paths are inherently better or higher or even faster than any other. What is important is match- ing the recommended sadhana to the individual, and to his or her predilections in life. Some organizations I've interfaced with talk about the importance of one's life *outside* of meditation or overt spiritual practice. You know, that stuff you do more hours of the day than you do meditation? They emphasize the value of right action in your interactions with others -- or in your approach to career -- as much as they do the value of meditation. Many organizations emphasize the value of selfless giving. There is really nothing like doing something nice for someone other than your self to get you the fuck out of being stuck in that self. I would suggest that the number of different sadhanas practiced or recommended by spiritual organizations is pretty much equal to the number of organizations themselves. And that's the way it should be. Predi- lection. As an individual, as a group of individuals. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - I found it interesting that other traditions were amazed that TMers meditated daily. In other traditions it wasn't emphasized. In fact Rick even he'd noticed the same thing when I brought it up. Some gurus give temporary meditations to take care of problems for a while such as planetary complications. On 06/11/2012 04:44 AM, Share Long wrote: But then could they really be called TMers?Perhaps there are gradations of TMing (-: From: turquoisebno_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Longsharelong60@ wrote: Logically the only thing that one can say about TMers is that they practice TM. If that. :-) I used to know meditators and former TM teachers in L.A. who hadn't practiced TM regularly in years, but pretended to so that they could go to Charlie Lutes' Friday night talks to partake in the social scene. From: Vajvajradhatu@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - On Jun 10, 2012, at 6:51 PM, iranitea wrote: In these dialogues I found Lawson and most of the pro TM-ers here extremely dense and blocked by their typical TM concepts. (concepts I can still use for teaching, but in a less dogmatic way, and with more openness.) If there's one thing you can say about TMers, they are locked into their paradigm and have a hard time stepping outside that box.
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What's special about escargot fork? From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Or worse, being propositioned. I had 8 companies involved in my house over the last two months. One of the contractors actually propositioned me for a quickie. And, after comments like I'd like to see what you look like in a pair of high heels and lets do it quickit to fixit (whatever) and you don't like white boys do you (he was Latino), I played it off as a big joke because I needed the work done and he was good at what he did, but geez, just because I'm single and nearing 50 doesn't mean I'm hard up and desperate. He said he sees my inner beauty. To turn a phrase from the currently departed Curtis, I would rather poke my eye out with an escargot fork than. See ya in July. I'm off to the beach. ~Em From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Btw, why is it that when women disagree or advocate their position, it's called arguing? Or worse, called being unreasonable or emotional. Just remember, the Dalai Lama said the world would be saved by Western women (-: From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - snip NONE of the advertised get rid of mole products and cures work, except one. Build a fence. Or, if you can't afford a new fence, get a cat that likes to hunt. My cat has decimated my mole population and my mouse population and unfortunately, too many birds as well. The neighbors have even thanked me for the good work Alfonso does. I wait for the possums to take the carcasses - there are too many to keep up with. You must read Judy's posts, because you comment on her posts frequently. I don't see her *asking* for the put-downs, but I do see her *defending* herself, and if you can't handle it like a gentleman, than oh well. Why should she pretend to be less intelligent and articulate and debate-worthy than she is to assuage another's ego. I mean really, she hasn't *destroyed* you yet, has she, after all these years of the back and forth between you? She never lied about why Ravi was removed - she is demented you say - he was removed for more than one reason, IMO. Intimating that she might Google-bomb someone (whatever that means) is simply malicious. She's one of the few here who use their real name, btw. The power you give her is pretty funny actually - she has never indicated she wanted to *destroy* anyone as her purpose in posting. Yes, she doesn't like you and disputes much of what you say as manipulation of truth, etc., but she does this in present time. It may be because you and she have shared internet forums for many years and this has resulted in your various opinions about each other solidifying in opposition, or it may be that she simply presents an ongoing alternative viewpoint to yours, or of your behavior, in present time as it continues. Btw, why is it that when women disagree or advocate their position, it's called arguing? I had a recent sub-contractor in my house who accused me of arguing - I told his boss to let him know I was negotiating. I got what I wanted, and he shook my hand on the way out. Long day, I've been on a bit of a roll. Just trying to keep things in balance. Miss me when I'm gone, alright? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. Not wishing to speak for iranitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy, I would suggest that former grade school teachers are still more than capable of teaching the ABCs and basic reading skills if called upon to do so, but are not likely to spend their time at home reading the Dick And Jane books. Exactly! What an apt analogy. And did I not say, that I relearned all the material, the puja, the steps verbatim? Is it not clear that the whole process of initiation is scripted? And did I not spend innumerable hours in my life meditating this way? And, of course I told my initiates, that I don't
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: TM friends of mine who had children said that the baby became their program. They sound like friends worth hanging on to. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I found it interesting that other traditions were amazed that TMers meditated daily. In other traditions it wasn't emphasized. In fact Rick even he'd noticed the same thing when I brought it up. Some gurus give temporary meditations to take care of problems for a while such as planetary complications. The TM movement is literally the only spiritual organization I've ever encountered that attempted to convince its followers that it was necessary to meditate to a fixed schedule, and that bad things would happen to them if they didn't meditate like clockwork. Most organizations suggest that meditating once a day is good, but they are realistic, and suggest that although it is help- ful to set a schedule and try to stick to it, if things come up and you can't get to it, that's normal, and they shouldn't feel bad about that. What's more interesting, in retrospect, is that people who *have* meditated this regularly, and for this long, still think and act the way they do on this forum. If TM worked as described in its intro lectures, would that be true? On 06/11/2012 04:44 AM, Share Long wrote: But then could they really be called TMers?Perhaps there are gradations of TMing (-: From: turquoisebno_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Longsharelong60@ wrote: Logically the only thing that one can say about TMers is that they practice TM. If that. :-) I used to know meditators and former TM teachers in L.A. who hadn't practiced TM regularly in years, but pretended to so that they could go to Charlie Lutes' Friday night talks to partake in the social scene.
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-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: What's special about escargot fork? The more elegant way it trips off the tongue than salad fork or dinner fork. Besides... [http://www.fantes.com/images/3312escargot.jpg] http://www.fantes.com/images/3312escargot.jpg http://www.fantes.com/images/3312escargot.jpg :-) From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Â Or worse, being propositioned. Â I had 8 companies involved in my house over the last two months. Â One of the contractors actually propositioned me for a quickie. And, after comments like I'd like to see what you look like in a pair of high heels and lets do it quickit to fixit (whatever) and you don't like white boys do you (he was Latino), Â I played it off as a big joke because I needed the work done and he was good at what he did, but geez, just because I'm single and nearing 50 doesn't mean I'm hard up and desperate. Â He said he sees my inner beauty. Â To turn a phrase from the currently departed Curtis, I would rather poke my eye out with an escargot fork than. See ya in July. Â I'm off to the beach. Â ~Em From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Â Â Btw, why is it that when women disagree or advocate their position, it's called arguing? Or worse, called being unreasonable or emotional. Just remember, the Dalai Lama said the world would be saved by Western women (-: From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Â snip NONE of the advertised get rid of mole products and cures work, except one. Build a fence. Or, if you can't afford a new fence, get a cat that likes to hunt. Â My cat has decimated my mole population and my mouse population and unfortunately, too many birds as well. Â The neighbors have even thanked me for the good work Alfonso does. Â I wait for the possums to take the carcasses - there are too many to keep up with. Â You must read Judy's posts, because you comment on her posts frequently. Â I don't see her *asking* for the put-downs, but I do see her *defending* herself, and if you can't handle it like a gentleman, than oh well. Â Why should she pretend to be less intelligent and articulate and debate-worthy than she is to assuage another's ego. Â I mean really, she hasn't *destroyed* you yet, has she, after all these years of the back and forth between you? Â She never lied about why Ravi was removed - she is demented you say - he was removed for more than one reason, IMO. Â Intimating that she might Google-bomb someone (whatever that means) is simply malicious. Â She's one of the few here who use their real name, btw. Â The power you give her is pretty funny actually - she has never indicated she wanted to *destroy* anyone as her purpose in posting. Â Yes, she doesn't like you and disputes much of what you say as manipulation of truth, etc., but she does this in present time. Â It may be because you and she have shared internet forums for many years and this has resulted in your various opinions about each other solidifying in opposition, or it may be that she simply presents an ongoing alternative viewpoint to yours, or of your behavior, in present time as it continues. Â Btw, why is it that when women disagree or advocate their position, it's called arguing? Â I had a recent sub-contractor in my house who accused me of arguing - I told his boss to let him know I was negotiating. Â I got what I wanted, and he shook my hand on the way out. Â Long day, I've been on a bit of a roll. Â Just trying to keep things in balance. Â Miss me when I'm gone, alright? Â From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. Not wishing to speak for iranitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy, I would suggest that former grade school teachers are still more than capable of teaching the ABCs and basic reading skills if called upon to do so, but are not likely to spend their time at home reading the Dick And Jane
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--- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: I did have a vague memory of it and that's why I asked. You see, large parts of India was reeling under severe power shortages for the past 6 months. No electicity for 9 or 10 hours every day!! There was no time to read the posts properly. I had to skim through the posts very fast. Fortunately the power situation has improved which means more 'computer time' for me. Sorry if I offended you or misunderstood you, Judy. --- nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: If you live permanently in India Jason, why don't you have a generator ? What parts are you staying ? Hope you don't mind my curiosity :-) I had a honda genset. My brother needed it and I gave it to him. I am thinking of buying a bigger inverter that can power a computer for atleast two hours.
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It's perfectly suited to poke one's eye out. It is shaped to scoop the snail from it's shell. It's a bit grisly, but the phrase suited my post well :) Curtis is a bit of a shape-shifter, to acknowledge Judy's point with less intensity, but he is also a very funny and intelligent man who has a gift for creative writing and hilarious commentary. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: What's special about escargot fork? From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Â Or worse, being propositioned. Â I had 8 companies involved in my house over the last two months. Â One of the contractors actually propositioned me for a quickie. And, after comments like I'd like to see what you look like in a pair of high heels and lets do it quickit to fixit (whatever) and you don't like white boys do you (he was Latino), Â I played it off as a big joke because I needed the work done and he was good at what he did, but geez, just because I'm single and nearing 50 doesn't mean I'm hard up and desperate. Â He said he sees my inner beauty. Â To turn a phrase from the currently departed Curtis, I would rather poke my eye out with an escargot fork than. See ya in July. Â I'm off to the beach. Â ~Em From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Â Â Btw, why is it that when women disagree or advocate their position, it's called arguing? Or worse, called being unreasonable or emotional. Just remember, the Dalai Lama said the world would be saved by Western women (-: From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Â snip NONE of the advertised get rid of mole products and cures work, except one. Build a fence. Or, if you can't afford a new fence, get a cat that likes to hunt. Â My cat has decimated my mole population and my mouse population and unfortunately, too many birds as well. Â The neighbors have even thanked me for the good work Alfonso does. Â I wait for the possums to take the carcasses - there are too many to keep up with. Â You must read Judy's posts, because you comment on her posts frequently. Â I don't see her *asking* for the put-downs, but I do see her *defending* herself, and if you can't handle it like a gentleman, than oh well. Â Why should she pretend to be less intelligent and articulate and debate-worthy than she is to assuage another's ego. Â I mean really, she hasn't *destroyed* you yet, has she, after all these years of the back and forth between you? Â She never lied about why Ravi was removed - she is demented you say - he was removed for more than one reason, IMO. Â Intimating that she might Google-bomb someone (whatever that means) is simply malicious. Â She's one of the few here who use their real name, btw. Â The power you give her is pretty funny actually - she has never indicated she wanted to *destroy* anyone as her purpose in posting. Â Yes, she doesn't like you and disputes much of what you say as manipulation of truth, etc., but she does this in present time. Â It may be because you and she have shared internet forums for many years and this has resulted in your various opinions about each other solidifying in opposition, or it may be that she simply presents an ongoing alternative viewpoint to yours, or of your behavior, in present time as it continues. Â Btw, why is it that when women disagree or advocate their position, it's called arguing? Â I had a recent sub-contractor in my house who accused me of arguing - I told his boss to let him know I was negotiating. Â I got what I wanted, and he shook my hand on the way out. Â Long day, I've been on a bit of a roll. Â Just trying to keep things in balance. Â Miss me when I'm gone, alright? Â From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the purview of the TM is the fact that you don't practice what you teach. Not wishing to speak for iranitea but just trying to come up with an appropriate analogy,
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About matching practice to predilection, I wonder if it's best to try to balance the individual. Confront their issues? Help them be in the moment? It seems, and this is from personal experience, that different teachings have different emphases. Also I'm reminded of something John Newton said recently: the present moment is the best guru. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: So do other traditions have a different kind of sadhana? Inquiry? Seva? An excellent question, and thank you for asking it. I'll let Bharitu post his own reply, but mine would be that -- in my experience, which is different than 'according to what I've been told' -- there are many, many different forms of spiritual sadhana. NONE are in my opinion any better or higher than another. Spiritual organizations I've interfaced with other than the TMO have all seemed to understand the notion of predilection. Not all seekers are created equal. Oh, all of them have an equal shot at enlightenment or awakening or whatever you call it, but they may take different paths to get there. And none of those paths are inherently better or higher or even faster than any other. What is important is match- ing the recommended sadhana to the individual, and to his or her predilections in life. Some organizations I've interfaced with talk about the importance of one's life *outside* of meditation or overt spiritual practice. You know, that stuff you do more hours of the day than you do meditation? They emphasize the value of right action in your interactions with others -- or in your approach to career -- as much as they do the value of meditation. Many organizations emphasize the value of selfless giving. There is really nothing like doing something nice for someone other than your self to get you the fuck out of being stuck in that self. I would suggest that the number of different sadhanas practiced or recommended by spiritual organizations is pretty much equal to the number of organizations themselves. And that's the way it should be. Predi- lection. As an individual, as a group of individuals. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - I found it interesting that other traditions were amazed that TMers meditated daily. In other traditions it wasn't emphasized. In fact Rick even he'd noticed the same thing when I brought it up. Some gurus give temporary meditations to take care of problems for a while such as planetary complications. On 06/11/2012 04:44 AM, Share Long wrote: But then could they really be called TMers?Perhaps there are gradations of TMing (-: From: turquoisebno_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Longsharelong60@ wrote: Logically the only thing that one can say about TMers is that they practice TM. If that. :-) I used to know meditators and former TM teachers in L.A. who hadn't practiced TM regularly in years, but pretended to so that they could go to Charlie Lutes' Friday night talks to partake in the social scene. From: Vajvajradhatu@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - On Jun 10, 2012, at 6:51 PM, iranitea wrote: In these dialogues I found Lawson and most of the pro TM-ers here extremely dense and blocked by their typical TM concepts. (concepts I can still use for teaching, but in a less dogmatic way, and with more openness.) If there's one thing you can say about TMers, they are locked into their paradigm and have a hard time stepping outside that box.
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But E wasn't talking about tongue tripping. She was talking about eye poking (-: OTOH, thank you for photo This CAN'T be a good fork, only 2 pronged. Who's missing: vata, pitta or kapha? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: What's special about escargot fork? The more elegant way it trips off the tongue than salad fork or dinner fork. Besides... http://www.fantes.com/images/3312escargot.jpg :-) From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Â Or worse, being propositioned. Â I had 8 companies involved in my house over the last two months. Â One of the contractors actually propositioned me for a quickie. And, after comments like I'd like to see what you look like in a pair of high heels and lets do it quickit to fixit (whatever) and you don't like white boys do you (he was Latino), Â I played it off as a big joke because I needed the work done and he was good at what he did, but geez, just because I'm single and nearing 50 doesn't mean I'm hard up and desperate. Â He said he sees my inner beauty. Â To turn a phrase from the currently departed Curtis, I would rather poke my eye out with an escargot fork than. See ya in July. Â I'm off to the beach. Â ~Em From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Â Â Btw, why is it that when women disagree or advocate their position, it's called arguing? Or worse, called being unreasonable or emotional. Just remember, the Dalai Lama said the world would be saved by Western women (-: From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Â snip NONE of the advertised get rid of mole products and cures work, except one. Build a fence. Or, if you can't afford a new fence, get a cat that likes to hunt. Â My cat has decimated my mole population and my mouse population and unfortunately, too many birds as well. Â The neighbors have even thanked me for the good work Alfonso does. Â I wait for the possums to take the carcasses - there are too many to keep up with. Â You must read Judy's posts, because you comment on her posts frequently. Â I don't see her *asking* for the put-downs, but I do see her *defending* herself, and if you can't handle it like a gentleman, than oh well. Â Why should she pretend to be less intelligent and articulate and debate-worthy than she is to assuage another's ego. Â I mean really, she hasn't *destroyed* you yet, has she, after all these years of the back and forth between you? Â She never lied about why Ravi was removed - she is demented you say - he was removed for more than one reason, IMO. Â Intimating that she might Google-bomb someone (whatever that means) is simply malicious. Â She's one of the few here who use their real name, btw. Â The power you give her is pretty funny actually - she has never indicated she wanted to *destroy* anyone as her purpose in posting. Â Yes, she doesn't like you and disputes much of what you say as manipulation of truth, etc., but she does this in present time. Â It may be because you and she have shared internet forums for many years and this has resulted in your various opinions about each other solidifying in opposition, or it may be that she simply presents an ongoing alternative viewpoint to yours, or of your behavior, in present time as it continues. Â Btw, why is it that when women disagree or advocate their position, it's called arguing? Â I had a recent sub-contractor in my house who accused me of arguing - I told his boss to let him know I was negotiating. Â I got what I wanted, and he shook my hand on the way out. Â Long day, I've been on a bit of a roll. Â Just trying to keep things in balance. Â Miss me when I'm gone, alright? Â From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One thing I find off-putting past your decision to teach outside the
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Question was meant to be a joke too. sigh... From: emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 12:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - It's perfectly suited to poke one's eye out. It is shaped to scoop the snail from it's shell. It's a bit grisly, but the phrase suited my post well :) Curtis is a bit of a shape-shifter, to acknowledge Judy's point with less intensity, but he is also a very funny and intelligent man who has a gift for creative writing and hilarious commentary. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: What's special about escargot fork? From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Â Or worse, being propositioned. Â I had 8 companies involved in my house over the last two months. Â One of the contractors actually propositioned me for a quickie. And, after comments like I'd like to see what you look like in a pair of high heels and lets do it quickit to fixit (whatever) and you don't like white boys do you (he was Latino), Â I played it off as a big joke because I needed the work done and he was good at what he did, but geez, just because I'm single and nearing 50 doesn't mean I'm hard up and desperate. Â He said he sees my inner beauty. Â To turn a phrase from the currently departed Curtis, I would rather poke my eye out with an escargot fork than. See ya in July. Â I'm off to the beach. Â ~Em From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Â Â Btw, why is it that when women disagree or advocate their position, it's called arguing? Or worse, called being unreasonable or emotional. Just remember, the Dalai Lama said the world would be saved by Western women (-: From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Â snip NONE of the advertised get rid of mole products and cures work, except one. Build a fence. Or, if you can't afford a new fence, get a cat that likes to hunt. Â My cat has decimated my mole population and my mouse population and unfortunately, too many birds as well. Â The neighbors have even thanked me for the good work Alfonso does. Â I wait for the possums to take the carcasses - there are too many to keep up with. Â You must read Judy's posts, because you comment on her posts frequently. Â I don't see her *asking* for the put-downs, but I do see her *defending* herself, and if you can't handle it like a gentleman, than oh well. Â Why should she pretend to be less intelligent and articulate and debate-worthy than she is to assuage another's ego. Â I mean really, she hasn't *destroyed* you yet, has she, after all these years of the back and forth between you? Â She never lied about why Ravi was removed - she is demented you say - he was removed for more than one reason, IMO. Â Intimating that she might Google-bomb someone (whatever that means) is simply malicious. Â She's one of the few here who use their real name, btw. Â The power you give her is pretty funny actually - she has never indicated she wanted to *destroy* anyone as her purpose in posting. Â Yes, she doesn't like you and disputes much of what you say as manipulation of truth, etc., but she does this in present time. Â It may be because you and she have shared internet forums for many years and this has resulted in your various opinions about each other solidifying in opposition, or it may be that she simply presents an ongoing alternative viewpoint to yours, or of your behavior, in present time as it continues. Â Btw, why is it that when women disagree or advocate their position, it's called arguing? Â I had a recent sub-contractor in my house who accused me of arguing - I told his boss to let him know I was negotiating. Â I got what I wanted, and he shook my hand on the way out. Â Long day, I've been on a bit of a roll. Â Just trying to keep things in balance. Â Miss me when I'm gone, alright? Â From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: One
[FairfieldLife] 'Madonna Bears Nipple on Stage'...
I know no body cares but, I thought this was cute! http://www.showbiz411.com/?p=21146preview=true
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Madonna Bears Nipple on Stage'...
You go, girl! From: Robert babajii...@yahoo.com To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 12:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Madonna Bears Nipple on Stage'... I know no body cares but, I thought this was cute! http://www.showbiz411.com/?p=21146preview=true
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madonna Bears Nipple on Stage'...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: You go, girl! From: Robert babajii_99@... To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 12:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Madonna Bears Nipple on Stage'... Â I know no body cares but, I thought this was cute! http://www.showbiz411.com/?p=21146preview=true How pathetic, the race to the bottom, now Madonna's talents lies in her nipple? talk about appealing to the lowest common denominator, a sad commentary on our society, (basically, what a tramp).
[FairfieldLife] Cognitive Neuroscience of Mindfulness Meditation
Google now uses Mindfulness in the workplace to increase emotional IQ and other beneficial properties. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf6Q0G1iHBI
[FairfieldLife] Voters Think Romney Is Better for the Economy
A new CNBC survey of 800 Americans found that 39 percent of participants trust Romney with the economy versus 33 percent who said Obama's economic policies were better (this number was unchanged from April). http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/economic-pessimism-falls-voters-still-think-romney-better-165053230.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 10, 2012, at 6:51 PM, iranitea wrote: In these dialogues I found Lawson and most of the pro TM-ers here extremely dense and blocked by their typical TM concepts. (concepts I can still use for teaching, but in a less dogmatic way, and with more openness.) If there's one thing you can say about TMers, they are locked into their paradigm and have a hard time stepping outside that box. Dhammapada Verse 252 Mendakasetthi Vatthu Sudassam vajjamannesam attano pana duddsam paresam hi so vajjani opunati yatha bhusam attano pana chadeti kalimva kitava satho.1 Verse 252: It is easy to see the faults of others, but difficult to see one's own. A man broadcasts the fault of others like winnowing chaff in the wind, but hides his own faults as a crafty fowler covers himself. (What's this then O Pali Gap? The falconer stands exposed in the field. D'oh!)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
I'm speaking specifically of traditions have practice meditation. One of the people who commented was an Ammachi devotee. Interesting though, when I was visiting Ammachi's ashram in Kerala I ran into old friends who were one time TM teachers and residing at the ashram. I'm also familiar with a number of other traditions with friends in them. Even my guru mentions to me when eclipses and Indian holidays occur to be sure to do all my mantras as if it was unusual to do them that way daily. On 06/11/2012 09:31 AM, Share Long wrote: So do other traditions have a different kind of sadhana? Inquiry? Seva? From: Bhairitunoozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - I found it interesting that other traditions were amazed that TMers meditated daily. In other traditions it wasn't emphasized. In fact Rick even he'd noticed the same thing when I brought it up. Some gurus give temporary meditations to take care of problems for a while such as planetary complications. On 06/11/2012 04:44 AM, Share Long wrote: But then could they really be called TMers?Perhaps there are gradations of TMing (-: From: turquoisebno_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Longsharelong60@... wrote: Logically the only thing that one can say about TMers is that they practice TM. If that. :-) I used to know meditators and former TM teachers in L.A. who hadn't practiced TM regularly in years, but pretended to so that they could go to Charlie Lutes' Friday night talks to partake in the social scene. From: Vajvajradhatu@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - On Jun 10, 2012, at 6:51 PM, iranitea wrote: In these dialogues I found Lawson and most of the pro TM-ers here extremely dense and blocked by their typical TM concepts. (concepts I can still use for teaching, but in a less dogmatic way, and with more openness.) If there's one thing you can say about TMers, they are locked into their paradigm and have a hard time stepping outside that box.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'It's the Technology, Stupid!!!'
Not a parent but I've taught lots of children. One learns a fair amount of child psychology doing that. I was just raised to behave properly and my sister raised her kids that way and in turn they've raised theirs that way. The problem is laissez faire parenting which is related to that video of the graduation address I posted where the teacher lambasted the years of self esteem bullshit that kids were subjected to for about the last 20 or more years. On 06/10/2012 09:32 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: Ha. I used to be quite judgmental of kids in stores, restaurants, on air planes until I had a couple. Not that I didn't worry someone would call CPS as I was carrying whatever one out of the store under my arm like a football many years ago. Are you a parent? Yes, give me the stipend...I need about 5 more years of rest and volunteer work to recover from the last 30 year run - I'm sensitive. I still don't have a garden in, haven't found my loom yet, just want to sit and needlepoint. :) From: Bhairitunoozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'It's the Technology, Stupid!!!' On 06/10/2012 03:36 PM, Robert wrote: Does anyone realize besides me, that the advances in technology has replaced some jobs, permanently?... Did you know that Google replaces hundreds of man-hours of research in seconds? Did you know that modern agricultural equipment, replaces thousands of people in the fields? Do you realize that cars have replaced horses? Have you noticed that the internet has replaced the need for newspapers? Have you heard that music and movies can be down-loaded from the internet? Can you dig, that we got rid of some of our thousands of nuclear weapons, because of the 'over-kill' factor? Did you know that, marijuana is a whole lot safer to use than alcohol? Can you see that in the year, 2012...it is a whole lot different than it was in 1776? If you can see these things, then you will know that there will never be the kind of job market that we've had in the past... There will never be the situation we had in the 1930's as there is more than enough food to eat and it is being distributed excellently, even though some of it is bought with food stamps, would you rather these folks starve? It is funny that the 'soul-less' one, Mitt Romney, is vieing to 'save America's soul!... What a false notion that that is, my friend... Robert Time for a new leisure society? I was thinkin' the other day someone is going to design clothes (probably already happened) that could be made entirely by machine instead of employing a bunch of people in a sweat shop doing such boring work. Likewise a lot of the assembly of circuit boards could be entirely automated eliminating those sweat shops. Sometimes when I notice little kids running around in a store bumping into people and their dumbass parents do nothing, I think, that couple should have been neutered! So maybe it is time for that too. Do we really want 9 billion people on this planet in a few short years? Everyone could have a guaranteed income paid as a stipend. Want more, then you can work. My bet is that a lot of people would settle for the stipend and free time. People probably would socialize more (just not entirely online) and some would be creative with their time. Could be a wonderful world.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Voters Think Romney Is Better for the Economy
On 06/11/2012 10:59 AM, wgm4u wrote: A new CNBC survey of 800 Americans found that 39 percent of participants trust Romney with the economy versus 33 percent who said Obama's economic policies were better (this number was unchanged from April). http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/economic-pessimism-falls-voters-still-think-romney-better-165053230.html Trust me, US voters won't vote for a cultist with holy underwear. The Democrats said they won't make a deal of it but the rest of didn't say we wouldn't. ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Voters Think Romney Is Better for the Economy
On 06/11/2012 10:59 AM, wgm4u wrote: A new CNBC survey of 800 Americans found that 39 percent of participants trust Romney with the economy versus 33 percent who said Obama's economic policies were better (this number was unchanged from April). http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/economic-pessimism-falls-voters-still-think-romney-better-165053230.html I also meant to mention it is funny to watch the Ron Paul movement implode now that Rand has endorsed Romney. Now they are really pissed at Rand and Ron.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitive Neuroscience of Mindfulness Meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Google now uses Mindfulness in the workplace to increase emotional IQ and other beneficial properties. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf6Q0G1iHBI The video has a disclaimer that this does not necessarily represent the views of Google, that the views of the guest speakers are solely their own. Google's director of Google University did say that they have some sort of mindfulness class available. It seemed to be optional. 'Mindfulness meditation, one type of meditation technique, has been shown to enhance emotional awareness and psychological flexibility as well as induce well-being and emotional balance. Scientists have also begun to examine how meditation may influence brain functions. This talk will examine the effect of mindfulness meditation practice on the brain systems in which psychological functions such as attention, emotional reactivity, emotion regulation, and self-view are instantiated. We will also discuss how different forms of meditation practices are being studied using neuroscientific technologies and are being integrated into clinical practice to address symptoms of anxiety, depression, and stress.'
[FairfieldLife] Re: Voters Think Romney Is Better for the Economy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/11/2012 10:59 AM, wgm4u wrote: A new CNBC survey of 800 Americans found that 39 percent of participants trust Romney with the economy versus 33 percent who said Obama's economic policies were better (this number was unchanged from April). http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/economic-pessimism-falls-voters-still-think-romney-better-165053230.html Trust me, US voters won't vote for a cultist with holy underwear. The Democrats said they won't make a deal of it but the rest of didn't say we wouldn't. ;-) How terrible, but madonna's nipple? No problem!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Voters Think Romney Is Better for the Economy
On 06/11/2012 11:56 AM, wgm4u wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 06/11/2012 10:59 AM, wgm4u wrote: A new CNBC survey of 800 Americans found that 39 percent of participants trust Romney with the economy versus 33 percent who said Obama's economic policies were better (this number was unchanged from April). http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/economic-pessimism-falls-voters-still-think-romney-better-165053230.html Trust me, US voters won't vote for a cultist with holy underwear. The Democrats said they won't make a deal of it but the rest of didn't say we wouldn't. ;-) How terrible, but madonna's nipple? No problem! Just sing It's Kali Yuga Time to the tune of Ta Ra Boom De Yay or the Howdy Doody Theme. :-D Of course Madonna's nipple is nothing compared to what you get to see on True Blood.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitive Neuroscience of Mindfulness Meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Google now uses Mindfulness in the workplace to increase emotional IQ and other beneficial properties. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf6Q0G1iHBI Yeah, so...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Voters Think Romney Is Better for the Economy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: A new CNBC survey of 800 Americans found that 39 percent of participants trust Romney with the economy versus 33 percent who said Obama's economic policies were better (this number was unchanged from April). http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/economic-pessimism-falls-voters-still-think-romney-better-165053230.html This shows how totally ignorant the American people are concerning how the economny works...still a lot of work to do to educate the people to know the truth from a lie! President Obama will win in November, it is destined, my friend...
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madonna Bears Nipple on Stage'...
I actually watched this. What a hideous slut. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: I know no body cares but, I thought this was cute! http://www.showbiz411.com/?p=21146preview=true
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
yes, I have friends who are Amma devotees now. We're living in wonderful times for sure. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - I'm speaking specifically of traditions have practice meditation. One of the people who commented was an Ammachi devotee. Interesting though, when I was visiting Ammachi's ashram in Kerala I ran into old friends who were one time TM teachers and residing at the ashram. I'm also familiar with a number of other traditions with friends in them. Even my guru mentions to me when eclipses and Indian holidays occur to be sure to do all my mantras as if it was unusual to do them that way daily. On 06/11/2012 09:31 AM, Share Long wrote: So do other traditions have a different kind of sadhana? Inquiry? Seva? From: Bhairitunoozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - I found it interesting that other traditions were amazed that TMers meditated daily. In other traditions it wasn't emphasized. In fact Rick even he'd noticed the same thing when I brought it up. Some gurus give temporary meditations to take care of problems for a while such as planetary complications. On 06/11/2012 04:44 AM, Share Long wrote: But then could they really be called TMers?Perhaps there are gradations of TMing (-: From: turquoisebno_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Longsharelong60@... wrote: Logically the only thing that one can say about TMers is that they practice TM. If that. :-) I used to know meditators and former TM teachers in L.A. who hadn't practiced TM regularly in years, but pretended to so that they could go to Charlie Lutes' Friday night talks to partake in the social scene. From: Vajvajradhatu@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - On Jun 10, 2012, at 6:51 PM, iranitea wrote: In these dialogues I found Lawson and most of the pro TM-ers here extremely dense and blocked by their typical TM concepts. (concepts I can still use for teaching, but in a less dogmatic way, and with more openness.) If there's one thing you can say about TMers, they are locked into their paradigm and have a hard time stepping outside that box.
[FairfieldLife] For FFL Netflixers
First off there are a number of new movies in New Releases today so you might want to check that section for anything of interest to you. A couple films I've watched over the last few days: Message Deleted is not a great film but a quirky one about a screen writer yet to have a script made into a movie who teaches screen writing. Matthew Lillard plays the screen writer and Deborah Kara Unger a police detective investigating murders that seem to be recreating ones from a script that Lillard's character wrote. In the process tips about screen writing are slipped into this movie. http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Messages_Deleted/70126746 A better movie is The Heir Apparent: Largo Winch . About an errant son of billionaire who is tracked down when his father dies and all the corruption involved in taking control of his father's empire. http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/The_Heir_Apparent_Largo_Winch/70118175 I am pretty much thinking of taking in Prometheus this afternoon so may have a report back on that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I'm speaking specifically of traditions have practice meditation. One of the people who commented was an Ammachi devotee. Interesting though, when I was visiting Ammachi's ashram in Kerala I ran into old friends who were one time TM teachers and residing at the ashram. ShareLong asked about Seva. Why not answer since you were in her Asharam ? The truth is that your old friends are asked to work VERY long hours in the kitchen or clean etcetc. They call it Seva and is supposed to be a blessing because your self-less work brings you closer to the Guru. Apparently, and I don't know why, it's some sort of mystery; if you pay a lot, give big donations of thousands of dollars, you are somehow deprived of this blessing. To not be able to become closer to the Guru by hard labour and little sleep is unfair, IMO. I'm also familiar with a number of other traditions with friends in them. Even my guru mentions to me when eclipses and Indian holidays occur to be sure to do all my mantras as if it was unusual to do them that way daily. On 06/11/2012 09:31 AM, Share Long wrote: So do other traditions have a different kind of sadhana? Inquiry? Seva?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
Karma is unfathomable, yes? (-: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 3:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I'm speaking specifically of traditions have practice meditation. One of the people who commented was an Ammachi devotee. Interesting though, when I was visiting Ammachi's ashram in Kerala I ran into old friends who were one time TM teachers and residing at the ashram. ShareLong asked about Seva. Why not answer since you were in her Asharam ? The truth is that your old friends are asked to work VERY long hours in the kitchen or clean etcetc. They call it Seva and is supposed to be a blessing because your self-less work brings you closer to the Guru. Apparently, and I don't know why, it's some sort of mystery; if you pay a lot, give big donations of thousands of dollars, you are somehow deprived of this blessing. To not be able to become closer to the Guru by hard labour and little sleep is unfair, IMO. I'm also familiar with a number of other traditions with friends in them. Even my guru mentions to me when eclipses and Indian holidays occur to be sure to do all my mantras as if it was unusual to do them that way daily. On 06/11/2012 09:31 AM, Share Long wrote: So do other traditions have a different kind of sadhana? Inquiry? Seva?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitive Neuroscience of Mindfulness Meditation
On Jun 11, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Robert wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Google now uses Mindfulness in the workplace to increase emotional IQ and other beneficial properties. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf6Q0G1iHBI Yeah, so... Got COHERENCE? Some might feel that when a major corporation like Google actually is willing to share cutting edge meditation forms (and research) with their employees, that means something. These modern day Medicis are sponsoring the cutting edge researchers and advocates of this style of human flourishing - for their employees (and sharing it with the world).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitive Neuroscience of Mindfulness Meditation
On Jun 11, 2012, at 2:50 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: The video has a disclaimer that this does not necessarily represent the views of Google, that the views of the guest speakers are solely their own. Google's director of Google University did say that they have some sort of mindfulness class available. It seemed to be optional. Google has a long history in including Mindfulness pioneers in both meditation and meditation research fields. There’s probably been nothing quite like it in human history. And I believe you’re right - it’s an optional growth item Google offers for employee enrichment. But it could be part of standard training for all I know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Reduce the $15.7 Trillion National Debt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: snip At the present time, the national debt is putting a very heavy burden on the American people to pay for the interest of this debt, let alone the corpus of the debt itself. As such, it is discouraging American businesses to expand and hire more people. No, that isn't what's discouraging businesses. What's discouraging business is lack of demand, which is a function of high unemployment and low wages. Judy, The reason why the businesses are discouraged is because they don't see how the national debt is going to be paid. No, that isn't what's discouraging businesses. What's discouraging business is lack of demand, which is a function of high unemployment and low wages. snip In the past, the solution was for the government to create jobs by spending money on public works. But this time around, the government cannot afford to do that anymore. Sure it can. The reason it can't spend money on public works is because the GOP won't allow it. Remember that the GOP doesn't *want* the economy to improve before the election. It's in its interests to block any measures that would help. snip If the government is clear on how the national debt will be paid, the businesses will automatically unleash their unused assets to make more money. This will increase the hiring of people which in turn will pick up the economy. A much more effective way to pick up the economy would be to increase demand. Once the economy is back on track, that's the time to start working on the deficit, when there will be more of the necessary resources to do so. Judy, You and some economists are ignoring the question: where are you going to get the money to spend for these public works? As of now, our government expenses are funded by borrowed money from lenders like China, Japan, Germany and others. This situation has in effect or de facto made these lenders become our partners in trade. This kind of partnership is a strange and volatile one. It is like marrying someone you hate. If the national debt issue is not handled properly, these lenders will eventually own the USA. Or at worst, there will be another global war. JR
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On 06/11/2012 01:00 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: I'm speaking specifically of traditions have practice meditation. One of the people who commented was an Ammachi devotee. Interesting though, when I was visiting Ammachi's ashram in Kerala I ran into old friends who were one time TM teachers and residing at the ashram. ShareLong asked about Seva. Why not answer since you were in her Asharam ? The truth is that your old friends are asked to work VERY long hours in the kitchen or clean etcetc. They call it Seva and is supposed to be a blessing because your self-less work brings you closer to the Guru. Apparently, and I don't know why, it's some sort of mystery; if you pay a lot, give big donations of thousands of dollars, you are somehow deprived of this blessing. To not be able to become closer to the Guru by hard labour and little sleep is unfair, IMO. I was only there a couple days on a tour where the accommodations were paid. Hence we were not asked to volunteer services. Got the hug though and invited to sit up front with her monks. Ashrams are ashrams. Some you can just pay to be at and there is no work to be done (unless you want to) and staff takes care of you. Makes sense. I'm also familiar with a number of other traditions with friends in them. Even my guru mentions to me when eclipses and Indian holidays occur to be sure to do all my mantras as if it was unusual to do them that way daily. On 06/11/2012 09:31 AM, Share Long wrote: So do other traditions have a different kind of sadhana? Inquiry? Seva?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/11/2012 01:00 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: I'm speaking specifically of traditions have practice meditation. One of the people who commented was an Ammachi devotee. Interesting though, when I was visiting Ammachi's ashram in Kerala I ran into old friends who were one time TM teachers and residing at the ashram. ShareLong asked about Seva. Why not answer since you were in her Asharam ? The truth is that your old friends are asked to work VERY long hours in the kitchen or clean etcetc. They call it Seva and is supposed to be a blessing because your self-less work brings you closer to the Guru. Apparently, and I don't know why, it's some sort of mystery; if you pay a lot, give big donations of thousands of dollars, you are somehow deprived of this blessing. To not be able to become closer to the Guru by hard labour and little sleep is unfair, IMO. I was only there a couple days on a tour where the accommodations were paid. Hence we were not asked to volunteer services. Got the hug though and invited to sit up front with her monks. Why didn't they pick you to sit behind Amma handing her the sweets she gives as prasad ? I was there for 22 hours and was immediately asked to do this most sought after and privileged task. Must have been because I am regular in TM meditation, don't you think ? Ashrams are ashrams. Some you can just pay to be at and there is no work to be done (unless you want to) and staff takes care of you. Makes sense.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: TM friends of mine who had children said that the baby became their program. They sound like friends worth hanging on to. Actually the baby is your program came straight from Maharishi. Barry may want to rethink his endorsement.
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uh oh (-: From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: TM friends of mine who had children said that the baby became their program. They sound like friends worth hanging on to. Actually the baby is your program came straight from Maharishi. Barry may want to rethink his endorsement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
Well, since TM is the ONLY thing that defines being a TMer, its not surprising that daily meditation is the only thing prescribed now is it? Sheesh. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I found it interesting that other traditions were amazed that TMers meditated daily. In other traditions it wasn't emphasized. In fact Rick even he'd noticed the same thing when I brought it up. Some gurus give temporary meditations to take care of problems for a while such as planetary complications. On 06/11/2012 04:44 AM, Share Long wrote: But then could they really be called TMers?Perhaps there are gradations of TMing (-: From: turquoisebno_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Longsharelong60@ wrote: Logically the only thing that one can say about TMers is that they practice TM. If that. :-) I used to know meditators and former TM teachers in L.A. who hadn't practiced TM regularly in years, but pretended to so that they could go to Charlie Lutes' Friday night talks to partake in the social scene. From: Vajvajradhatu@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - On Jun 10, 2012, at 6:51 PM, iranitea wrote: In these dialogues I found Lawson and most of the pro TM-ers here extremely dense and blocked by their typical TM concepts. (concepts I can still use for teaching, but in a less dogmatic way, and with more openness.) If there's one thing you can say about TMers, they are locked into their paradigm and have a hard time stepping outside that box.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madonna Bears Nipple on Stage'...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: You go, girl! From: Robert babajii_99@ To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 12:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Madonna Bears Nipple on Stage'... Â I know no body cares but, I thought this was cute! http://www.showbiz411.com/?p=21146preview=true How pathetic, the race to the bottom, now Madonna's talents lies in her nipple? talk about appealing to the lowest common denominator, a sad commentary on our society, (basically, what a tramp). You miss, of course, where she did it and what significance it was to do it, etc. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cognitive Neuroscience of Mindfulness Meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 11, 2012, at 2:50 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: The video has a disclaimer that this does not necessarily represent the views of Google, that the views of the guest speakers are solely their own. Google's director of Google University did say that they have some sort of mindfulness class available. It seemed to be optional. Google has a long history in including Mindfulness pioneers in both meditation and meditation research fields. There's probably been nothing quite like it in human history. And I believe you're right - it's an optional growth item Google offers for employee enrichment. But it could be part of standard training for all I know. Can't trust those big corporations, ya' know...
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madonna Bears Nipple on Stage'...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: You go, girl! From: Robert babajii_99@ To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 12:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Madonna Bears Nipple on Stage'... Â I know no body cares but, I thought this was cute! http://www.showbiz411.com/?p=21146preview=true How pathetic, the race to the bottom, now Madonna's talents lies in her nipple? talk about appealing to the lowest common denominator, a sad commentary on our society, (basically, what a tramp). You miss, of course, where she did it and what significance it was to do it, etc. L This is true! It surely must have been very relevant, spiritual even (to some).
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madonna Bears Nipple on Stage'...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: You go, girl! From: Robert babajii_99@ To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 12:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Madonna Bears Nipple on Stage'... Â I know no body cares but, I thought this was cute! http://www.showbiz411.com/?p=21146preview=true How pathetic, the race to the bottom, now Madonna's talents lies in her nipple? talk about appealing to the lowest common denominator, a sad commentary on our society, (basically, what a tramp). You miss, of course, where she did it and what significance it was to do it, etc. L This is true! It surely must have been very relevant, spiritual even (to some). I love Madonna; she's just so...Bold!
[FairfieldLife] A movie about True Believers
The phrase true believers is applied to some members of the crew Prometheus in the movie named the same. Frankly I was a little disappointed in this film. The thread on the message board over on IMDB.com sums it up nicely: directed by a pro, written by a fifth grader. Maybe they should have borrowed some of the writers from Idris Elba's Luther to spark things up a bit. What's wrong? I found the writing a little stiff and the opening a bit cliche in trying to establish characters. I really could have used a modern day Dan O'Bannon. It was as if some of the story line was take from the Jason Martel presentation I mentioned I watched on on Netflix last week (Ancient Astronauts: The Gods from Planet X. Lot's of nice pictures though. Made for a decent matinée.
[FairfieldLife] Word of God: mantra? (Heb. 4:12)
12 zo#817;n gar ho logos tou theou kai energes kai tomo#817;teros hyper pasan machairan distomon kai diiknoumenos achri merismou psychi#817;s te kai pnev#817;matos armo#817;n te kai myelo#817;n kai kritikos enthymi#817;seo#817;n kai ennoio#817;n kardias zon living gar for ho logos word tou theou of the God kai and energes active tomoteros sharper hyper over, more than pasan every machiran sword distomon (here:) two-edged diiknoumenos pierces achri unto merismou blaah blaah and so on 2 For the word of God is living, and all-efficient, and sharper than a two-edged sword, and entereth even to the severance of the soul and the spirit, and of the joints and the marrow and the bones, and judgeth the thoughts and reasonings of the heart:
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madonna Bears Nipple on Stage'...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: I love Madonna; she's just so...Bold! Just ask the Axis: He knows everything! (J. Hendrix, Axis: Bold as Love) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFMzJCBKja4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JORMvHmIwbE (...once happy Turqoise armies...)
