[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
Well Barry, I think you've just created the first martyr at FFL. Just watch. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] An Open Message To Share
Why do you have to be so rude Barry - my aunt Share may have some issues but you need to learn to be gentle. Oh I love the mean girls :-) - they were so much fun - Obba and Ann ( Ann was so hilarious), but yeah my Aunt is basically clueless like you. Ha ha - this is hilarious Barry - she is as delusional as you, no wonder it pissed you off much, really pushed a mirror to your face, didn't she Barry LOL On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:51 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** *SHUT THE FUCK UP* We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [image: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_10151783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
Why do you have to be so rude Barry - my aunt Share may have some issues but you need to learn to be gentle. Oh I love the mean girls :-) - they were so much fun - especially Obba and Ann ( Ann was so hilarious today), but yeah my Aunt is basically clueless like you. Ha ha - this is hilarious Barry - she is as delusional as you, no wonder it pissed you off much, really pushed a mirror to your face, didn't she Barry LOL. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ \ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
Are you an atheist now Barry? On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:54 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** I know this isn't news to those who've been watching how believers on this forum have been acting since the posting limits were lifted, but for the rest of you: http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-correlation-between-intelligence-and-faith/
[FairfieldLife] Re: NDE's Explained?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: To us sceptics it was always going to be something like this, the only thing to raise my eyebrows here is the claim that 20% of heart attack victims report a NDE, is it that many? You don't wonder about whether experiments on rats can tell us definitively what the story is with human beings? What's the difference? Do you think we evolved an afterlife but rodents didn't, how would that work? Rats are mammals, it might seem insulting but they are therefore virtually identical to us, the trouble is that the human race considers itself such a big screaming deal when the only difference is the intricate cerebral cortex where our ideas and speculations live. The lower brain centres are the same in all animals that's most likely why a neurologists would feel comfortable drawing this comparison. I'm all for human experiments in this field, though some seem bound to question the morals of such interesting work, we need some volunteers...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
What is that country with the highest national IQ (~ 107) with fairly few (about 12%) atheists? South-Korea?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Are you an atheist now Barry? On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:54 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** I know this isn't news to those who've been watching how believers on this forum have been acting since the posting limits were lifted, but for the rest of you: http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-correlation-between-intelligence-and-faith/
[FairfieldLife] Re: NDE's Explained?
It's obvious that during that high activity, memories (smRti) are being transferred to aakaasha, or somesuch, to be restored at the start of the next incarnation... ;D yathaa puurvam akalpayat... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: To us sceptics it was always going to be something like this, the only thing to raise my eyebrows here is the claim that 20% of heart attack victims report a NDE, is it that many? You don't wonder about whether experiments on rats can tell us definitively what the story is with human beings? What's the difference? Do you think we evolved an afterlife but rodents didn't, how would that work? Rats are mammals, it might seem insulting but they are therefore virtually identical to us, the trouble is that the human race considers itself such a big screaming deal when the only difference is the intricate cerebral cortex where our ideas and speculations live. The lower brain centres are the same in all animals that's most likely why a neurologists would feel comfortable drawing this comparison. I'm all for human experiments in this field, though some seem bound to question the morals of such interesting work, we need some volunteers...
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
Barry: Share, you're getting all the attention, damn it. After all my years of hard work dragging down the forum to get attention, you've topped my efforts in one day and it's pissing my off. Share: Poor widdle Barry. Just do some unlimited posting as I do and you'll catch up to me in no time flat. Barry: No can do. I'm trying to prove that I have more self-control than Judy. Share: Have some cheese with your whine, not hard cheese and not before bedtime, it blocks the shrotas. Barry: Your gobbledygook talk is driving me nuts. Share: Nuts are good for your brain cells. Here have some Barry: (Looks inside the bag of nuts) There are only two nuts in here. RD: Sounds about right. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
Barry: Share, you're getting all the attention, damn it. After all my years of hard work dragging down the forum to get attention, you've topped my efforts in one day and it's pissing me off. Share: Poor widdle Barry. Just do some hump-time unlimited posting like a cat in heat as I do and you'll catch up to me in no time flat. Barry: No can do. I'm trying to prove that I have more self-control than Judy. Share: Have some cheese with your whine, not hard cheese and not before bedtime, it blocks the shrotas. Barry: Your gobbledygook talk is driving me nuts. Share: Nuts are good for your brain cells. Here have some Barry: (Looks inside the bag of nuts) There are only two nuts in here. RD: Sounds about right. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for the Pesticides, America!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: please waste your time and dig out my answer to your last post. My last post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/352908 Your answer to it: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/352918 I'll await your apology. You didn't post the last post of that discussion I just posted the link to it above, headed Your answer to it. Yours was the last post of that discussion. My last post in the discussion was the one linked to above headed My last post. nor my answer since I didn't bother. You did bother. See the Your answer to it link above. Now, who's dishonest You are, unquestionably. I just documented it. Now I've had it with this. You didn't document anything except post posts, What?? nor did you post the last one. Yours was the last one, as I keep saying. What did you do with it, delete it so you could prove to be right ? That's an inexcusable accusation, Nabby. I didn't delete a thing. I don't pull dishonest crap like that, and you know it. You are lying AND demanding an apology. It doesn't suit you nor your reputation here very well. I'm not lying. You made a bad mistake, and you can't admit it, so you try to blame it on me. Your reputation here, such as it was, has just gone straight down the tubes. You are not a person of integrity. BTW, posts deleted from Yahoo do not get deleted from the independent MailArchive: http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/ See if you can find it there. You can order the list by thread title or by date. And when you see that it's not there--because there never was any such post from me--you can come back and tell us you were wrong. Only you aren't going to look, because you know you won't find it, just as you couldn't find it in the Yahoo archive. You'll just keep trying to stonewall. Really, really crappy, shameful behavior, Nabs. You're the one that is lying by claiming I replied to all your posts, which I clearly didn't. And for good reason, one has to be fairly obsessed to bother about details that happened decades ago. As for shameful behavior you have been caught lying about this but refuse to admit it. That's shameful behavior in my book.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: What is that country with the highest national IQ (~ 107) with fairly few (about 12%) atheists? South-Korea?? One two-second Google search away: http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-with-the-highest-lowest-average-\ iq/ http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-with-the-highest-lowest-average\ -iq/ The US is #19 on this list at an average IQ of 98, which you will chuckle at. Until you scroll down and see which nation in this study was in last place, that is. :-) On the other hand, having witnessed what unlimited posting has done to the average IQ of FFL, I am now a believer in siddhis and super powers:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese r*tarded??
Oh. How does that mätäkuun juttu (which means literally in Finland a rotting-month story) elaborate cardemaister r*tarded-iness? So this -now FFL i-particle ghost- in his beg-ness-mess lurking for understanding and explaination may stand up again from his ketou-ing position. Resurrected and reincarnated ! BTW Having the choice between rotten or poison. Because of Your linked old-style -Chinese-Watcher-story(not from HK now but from internet-claimed Peking office) intended side effect on some ful-cup-mind here the Spanish term serpiente de verano (summer snake) which is often used, not for the season, but for the news seems to nail it better IMHO. (Do not want to mentione the many cucumbers references in many other languages for silly season e.g. Sauregurkenzeit pickled cucumber season or Sommerloch (summer [news]hole) etc because of its sexual double- entendre sensitive Kosak Dancers here at FFLmay erase this already erased kow -tau-ketou-ing- one into a horror vacui) Sometimes it's impossible to define exactly what makes a - that -all -sorts -of -silly- stuff -vamped-up -for- padding-silly season story . Although if a pop academic were to devise a formula it would doubtless make the dull Big Gooseberry Seasonla morte-saison news again. Merudanda Not in the Dome. Still in ketou-ing position Alex please do not read and /or count [;)] this post --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita wrote: Chinese students and their parents protest for the right to cheat6/21/2013After metal detectors and some good old-fashioned pat downs were used to relieve students of all their cheating mechanisms before the notoriously difficult Chinese university entrance exam, things didn't go over too well. And by that we mean a crowd of 2,000 students and their parents rioted outside the Hubei province high school, reportedly throwing rocks at windows and, honest to God, chanting We want fairness. There is no fairness if you do not let us cheat. One parent reportedly punched a teacher in the face. The increased security was implemented after 99 students at the Zhongxiang school turned in identical papers last year. The protestors argued that preventing students from cheating puts them at a distinct disadvantage in a country where cheating has become standard. http://tinyurl.com/k9jz9f6 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote: http://www.amazon.cn/gp/bestsellers/wireless/665002051/ref=zg_bsnr_tab
[FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: What is that country with the highest national IQ (~ 107) with fairly few (about 12%) atheists? South-Korea?? One two-second Google search away: http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-with-the-highest-lowest-average-\ iq/ http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-with-the-highest-lowest-average\ -iq/ The US is #19 on this list at an average IQ of 98, which you will chuckle at. Until you scroll down and see which nation in this study was in last place, that is. :-) Equatorial Guinea?
[FairfieldLife] Master key to Android phones discovered??
Conclusion Investing in Nokia is still risky, because it is facing an uphill battle. New Nokia Lumia Phones have good features, and the street is projecting a rise in Lumia sales. Despite discouraging EPS and increasing competition, Nokia has the potential to bounce back. The security concerns with Android are rising. According to a recent report by BBC, the master key to Android phones has been discovered. This can give cyber thieves open access to almost any Android phone. Due to limited downside, protection from valuable patents and Lumia's growth, I recommend investors to go for Nokia. - Don't read more: http://seekingalpha.com/article/1629852-time-to-buy-nokia-on-valuations?source=email_rt_article_readmore
[FairfieldLife] Give bad behavior your attention, and you encourage it
One week after my initial reaction to hearing about the proposed Unlimited Posting Experiment, I think it's worthwhile reposting the prediction I made at the time. I have done exactly what I suggested when making it, and have ignored a certain group of people who I knew would abuse the privilege of posting more, neither replying to them or even mentioning them. This morning I added one more person to the list. If, after wading through 763 posts so far during the first 3.5 days of this experiment, you feel that my prediction was accurate, and might have been a bit prescient, I might suggest adopting a similar policy. Personally, I'm looking forward to this upcoming Post As Much As You Bloody Well Please experiment. What would happen, for example, if the people that the most vociferous TBs here love to hate just IGNORED THEIR SILLY ASSES COMPLETELY? WHAT would they find to write about? My bet is that they'd 1) develop new enemies, just to have someone to dump on, 2) spend a shitload of time backslapping and jerking each other off about how cool and important they are, and 3) not be able to think of terribly much new or creative or even interesting to discuss. I guess we'll see...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese r*tarded??
dear merudanda still not in the Dome yet who could never ever be erased, before writing this reply, being so well trained by FFL, I googled Kosak Dancers to see if I am one and I guess google is very behind the timesbecause they had NO LISTING! Perhaps Kosak is special merudanda or carde spelling? Anyway, so many snakes and cucumbers! Let's not count those either (-: From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 4:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese r*tarded?? Oh. How does that mätäkuun juttu (which means literally in Finland a rotting-month story) elaborate cardemaister r*tarded-iness? So this -now FFL i-particle ghost- in his beg-ness-mess lurking for understanding and explaination may stand up again from his ketou-ing position. Resurrected and reincarnated ! BTW Having the choice between rotten or poison. Because of Your linked old-style -Chinese-Watcher-story(not from HK now but from internet-claimed Peking office) intended side effect on some ful-cup-mind here the Spanish termserpiente de verano (summer snake) which is often used, not for the season, but for the news seems to nail it better IMHO. (Do not want to mentione the many cucumbers references in many other languages for silly season e.g. Sauregurkenzeit pickled cucumber season or Sommerloch (summer [news]hole) etc because of its sexual double- entendre sensitive Kosak Dancers here at FFLmay erase this already erased kow -tau-ketou-ing- one into a horror vacui) Sometimes it's impossible to define exactly what makes a - that -all -sorts -of -silly- stuff -vamped-up -for- padding-silly season story . Although if a pop academic were to devise a formula it would doubtless make the dull Big Gooseberry Seasonla morte-saison news again. Merudanda Not in the Dome. Still in ketou-ing position Alex please do not read and /or count this post --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita wrote: Chinese students and their parents protest for the right to cheat6/21/2013After metal detectors and some good old-fashioned pat downs were used to relieve students of all their cheating mechanisms before the notoriously difficult Chinese university entrance exam, things didn't go over too well. And by that we mean a crowd of 2,000 students and their parents rioted outside the Hubei province high school, reportedly throwing rocks at windows and, honest to God, chanting We want fairness. There is no fairness if you do not let us cheat. One parent reportedly punched a teacher in the face. The increased security was implemented after 99 students at the Zhongxiang school turned in identical papers last year. The protestors argued that preventing students from cheating puts them at a distinct disadvantage in a country where cheating has become standard. http://tinyurl.com/k9jz9f6 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote: http://www.amazon.cn/gp/bestsellers/wireless/665002051/ref=zg_bsnr_tab
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning
Good morning, Obbajee, thank you and as Richard would say, answering the important questions: pink lipstick, not coral. Have a Care Bear day (-: From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 10:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning Do I dare to ask Share, do you have a speech impediment? Share, rise above pettiness! I know you can! Rose petal preserves, yum yum, your tum tum. Vata tea . Blissful Joy on your pillow. Did you delight in the Care Bear video? (Did you notice one bear is named Share?) :) We Care, Share, I type this from my bare, it is rare I would tell you this, but this whole string of things, is like a nuisance. You are most on the program, and what is there? Jesus said something about turning the other cheek. Let me kiss you OXO, there. Judy and Emily and Ann are fun. They mean no harm to anyone. Your sisters punch you in the arm, just put laxative in their Birthday cakes, one by one. I am kidding, better say this, before I get shunned. Dear Share, where is the talk about the MA in Film? The talk about courses, that someday may nil? Or maybe this whole diversion was created, to not make a stink on the month of registrant! Perfect timing, Par four. Perfect plan, how much did someone get paid? Such a whore? I would believe. Not you or me. Or any of the voices we chant, here we see! Just maybe a conspiracy as Bharitu might add, but not the kind Nabby- those Crap Circles have! Come on Share, gather round the flag gals, see we are united, the South going Zak and the North going Zak have Dr. Seuss fucking freaking out about now! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Now Ann's integrity dips even lower as she makes fun of people with a speech impediment. I guess this past day of 3 or 4 of them vs. me was just too much for her. Plus she's too insecure to apologize for her wrong accusation. From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, it was Triguna who told me I am pure pitta. Good enough for you? What's despicable is that Ann admitted she couldn't remember and yet accused me of making something up. Your lack of integrity shows in your supporting her. Dithpicable, dithpicable me, and you too Judy, have you no SHAME??!!! From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 5:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL looks different this morning  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote: tee hee, only someone who thinks ayurveda is *goobly gook* would call a pure pitta person colder than ice. Don't remember calling ayurveda goobly gook so I probably didn't. No, you spelled gobbledygook correctly, and you weren't referring to ayurveda itself but rather to Zhare writing *about* both ayurveda and jyotish: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/352125 You're making things up and I'm pretty sure you aren't pure anything. Ask her whether pitta is her prakriti or her vikriti. She knows what the difference is, but she probably won't tell you which. Her prakriti would be the dosha balance she was born with, whereas her vikriti would be her *current* dosha balance. You can see why this would be important given her comment above. Here is a small rhyme for you: Pitta patter on my roof, Someone here acts like a goof. Sometimes sorry, often lost, Looking on with eyeballs crossed. She can't help it - scrambled eggs Hopes for cookies not the dregs. Whipping up a sattvic feast, Can it help to fill the beast? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Silly Ann, it's not that the Karate Chop point hurts! Duh! Oh dear, oh duh, it's not the karate that smarts, But sometimes I think you're way off the charts. You play like you're merry, you play like you're nice, But in spite of your sorrys you're colder than ice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: NDE's Explained?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: It's obvious that during that high activity, memories (smRti) are being transferred to aakaasha, or somesuch, to be restored at the start of the next incarnation... ;D I'd be with you about re-incarnation but for one thing; I can't remember my previous life(s). Just think how useful it would be if I could pass on to the next generation a load of stuff about the local area and what to avoid, it would have made evolution a lot simpler - no need for most infant training. And these days we could set up a bank account and transfer the cash to the next incarnation who would be born knowing the sort code. It would have an infinity of uses! But as it is we have to rely on hypnosis (not very reliable) or new age gurus (even worse) to tell us we were all Cleopatra or whoever. In the face of the non-evidence I shall remain sceptical. yathaa puurvam akalpayat... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: To us sceptics it was always going to be something like this, the only thing to raise my eyebrows here is the claim that 20% of heart attack victims report a NDE, is it that many? You don't wonder about whether experiments on rats can tell us definitively what the story is with human beings? What's the difference? Do you think we evolved an afterlife but rodents didn't, how would that work? Rats are mammals, it might seem insulting but they are therefore virtually identical to us, the trouble is that the human race considers itself such a big screaming deal when the only difference is the intricate cerebral cortex where our ideas and speculations live. The lower brain centres are the same in all animals that's most likely why a neurologists would feel comfortable drawing this comparison. I'm all for human experiments in this field, though some seem bound to question the morals of such interesting work, we need some volunteers...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: What is that country with the highest national IQ (~ 107) with fairly few (about 12%) atheists? South-Korea?? One two-second Google search away: http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-with-the-highest-lowest-average-\ iq/ http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-with-the-highest-lowest-average\ -iq/ The US is #19 on this list at an average IQ of 98, which you will chuckle at. Until you scroll down and see which nation in this study was in last place, that is. :-) Africa doesn't do very well, I wonder if that's because the IQ test is written by European/Americans and subconsciously weighted towards people from a similar background I find it hard to believe any race have strayed that far backwards. Apart from the Finns obviously... On the other hand, having witnessed what unlimited posting has done to the average IQ of FFL, I am now a believer in siddhis and super powers: There's something to be said for planning and self control
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
Spot On. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Barry: Share, you're getting all the attention, damn it. After all my years of hard work dragging down the forum to get attention, you've topped my efforts in one day and it's pissing me off. Share: Poor widdle Barry. Just do some hump-time unlimited posting like a cat in heat as I do and you'll catch up to me in no time flat. Barry: No can do. I'm trying to prove that I have more self-control than Judy. Share: Have some cheese with your whine, not hard cheese and not before bedtime, it blocks the shrotas. Barry: Your gobbledygook talk is driving me nuts. Share: Nuts are good for your brain cells. Here have some Barry: (Looks inside the bag of nuts) There are only two nuts in here. RD: Sounds about right. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Give bad behavior your attention, and you encourage it
Nothing to control here, Barry - too bad, huh? It is great btw, having seen relatively little of you lately. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: One week after my initial reaction to hearing about the proposed Unlimited Posting Experiment, I think it's worthwhile reposting the prediction I made at the time. I have done exactly what I suggested when making it, and have ignored a certain group of people who I knew would abuse the privilege of posting more, neither replying to them or even mentioning them. This morning I added one more person to the list. If, after wading through 763 posts so far during the first 3.5 days of this experiment, you feel that my prediction was accurate, and might have been a bit prescient, I might suggest adopting a similar policy. Personally, I'm looking forward to this upcoming Post As Much As You Bloody Well Please experiment. What would happen, for example, if the people that the most vociferous TBs here love to hate just IGNORED THEIR SILLY ASSES COMPLETELY? WHAT would they find to write about? My bet is that they'd 1) develop new enemies, just to have someone to dump on, 2) spend a shitload of time backslapping and jerking each other off about how cool and important they are, and 3) not be able to think of terribly much new or creative or even interesting to discuss. I guess we'll see...
[FairfieldLife] Fuck you, Barry [Re: An Open Message To Share]
Fuck you, and I mean it. You are an insensitive asshole, who likes to bully others, and I hope you die alone. Again, Fuck You. Ah, I feel all better now! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
salyavin, I was glancing at title of your thread and then Dick May's thread and wondered...anyway, yes, average IQ is dropping over time, dropped 3 points since 1950, at least according to one researcher. Hope the table is accessible. Makes me question natural selection. http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/BRBAKER/ From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: What is that country with the highest national IQ (~ 107) with fairly few (about 12%) atheists? South-Korea?? One two-second Google search away: http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-with-the-highest-lowest-average- Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (6) Recent Activity: * New Members 1 Visit Your Group To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback .
[FairfieldLife] Fuck you, Barry [Re: An Open Message To Share]
I am so glad we have never met - But if I ever meet you in person, I'll be sure to accidentally spill a full Tripel, down the front of your shirt. And the back too, where it can temporarily wash away that yellow stripe of yours. Asshole. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Fuck you, and I mean it. You are an insensitive asshole, who likes to bully others, and I hope you die alone. Again, Fuck You. Ah, I feel all better now! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it.
[FairfieldLife] Rice art...
No easy circle based patterns, these guys leave the Space Brothers in the dust: http://www.buzzfeed.com/kevintang/insane-works-of-japanese-rice-paddy-art
[FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: salyavin, I was glancing at title of your thread and then Dick May's thread and wondered...anyway, yes, average IQ is dropping over time, dropped 3 points since 1950, at least according to one researcher. Hope the table is accessible. Makes me question natural selection. http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/BRBAKER/ It's no surprise to me, I've seen Idiocracy. The less we have to do, the less that intelligence will be important enough to select for. Remember, things only get selected if they confer an advantage and all most people have to do is stumble to work and afterwards, flop in front of the TV eating cheeseburgers (making the occasional post to FFL along the way). As the blurb under the graph says, we tend to breed with people of similar intellect, so this trend will get cemented as a majority position. I think this has already happened in the UK (seriously) but I think we will end up like the Eloi and the Morlocks in The Time Machine, two human species but very different in the way they look and act. There is no reason why evolution should keep making things better. __ From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: What is that country with the highest national IQ (~ 107) with fairly few (about 12%) atheists? South-Korea?? One two-second Google search away: http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-with-the-highest-lowest-average- Reply to sender  Reply to group  Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (6) Recent Activity:     * New Members 1  Visit Your Group To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest ⢠Unsubscribe ⢠Terms of Use ⢠Send us Feedback . Â
[FairfieldLife] Photos to shame educational loan defaulters
http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/sbi-displays-photos-to-shame-educatio\ nal-loan-defaulters-faces-flak-404925 http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/sbi-displays-photos-to-shame-educati\ onal-loan-defaulters-faces-flak-404925
[FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: It's no surprise to me, I've seen Idiocracy. The less we have to do, the less that intelligence will be important enough to select for. Remember, things only get selected if they confer an advantage and all most people have to do is stumble to work and afterwards, flop in front of the TV eating cheeseburgers (making the occasional post to FFL along the way). As the blurb under the graph says, we tend to breed with people of similar intellect, so this trend will get cemented as a majority position. I think this has already happened in the UK (seriously) but I think we will end up like the Eloi and the Morlocks in The Time Machine, two human species but very different in the way they look and act. There is no reason why evolution should keep making things better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t3Uj9-6Sok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t3Uj9-6Sok
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Clarify
In fact [beej mantras] can even work for people out of a book. I seriously doubt this. I have been doing TM long enough that taking the mantra innocently and not attempting to control my experience, seems like second nature now. But I struggled mightily for the first ten or fifteen years. I have forgotten what that state of mind was like, though I did try everything and anything out of books, before TM, and I just didn't have the mental agility to apply a mantra innocently, and delicately, without direct instruction on how to do so, from a person. I don't recall Maharishi stressing that the mantras were all that special, but the technique of using them, very lightly, is. That is where the value-add comes in. Otherwise the mantra is like a hammer (or any other tool); hit my thumb with it, by mistake, or build a mansion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/12/2013 04:09 PM, mjackson74 wrote: Oh, Lordy how we do make up stuff! I never said TM brought me to that place. How do you know it wasn't the few years of PSM or the other things I dabbled with that did it instead of TM? I know that a lot of this crowd will believe absolutely that it was primarily TM that did it, and the other things were of little value. Experience wise it was just after being exposed to Eckhart Tolle's material that the experience of head to toe Pure Awareness kicked in and as I began to do what he suggests in the Power of Now to practice Presence is when it began to be a daily occurrence. I know you value Maharishi for a number of reasons and I won't argue with your feelings and point of view about him, I just don't happen to share it. I still have my doubts about TM because of the unstressing phenomenon, and the fact that that kind of unstressing doesn't seem to happen in other types of meditation techniques even in a retreat situation as Barry has pointed out a time or two. Oh indeed it does in other meditation programs. It is the shakti moving throughout the body and hitting blockages and pushing them away. It is actually a good thing. BUT, roughness is another thing and that is when unstressing isn't handled properly and that can happen in other programs too. And some of those other programs may be a little more proactive about roughness occurring including telling you to stop meditating for a while (which might be considered blasphemy in TM). Here's Muktananda zapping some people and some are experiencing some physical unstressing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhkjJi4lXHE Many folks walk away from TM because it failed to given them what they were looking for not necessarily in the area of experience but in the area of knowledge. Other paths had much more about yoga and even the way mantras work than TM. Also some people came to TM from other forms of meditation and may have had good experience due to those other techniques. It was just one more technique. Often these people move on too because they want to learn more stuff that cannot be offered by the TMO. Can the TMO make you an Acharya (high level yogi)? Nope, and there is doubt that Maharishi was even that level. If TM had remained inexpensive and simple then a lot of folks wouldn't have much of a problem with it. But charging for and giving out beej aksharas for meditation would seem a little weird in India. Most other paths give out something like the advanced technique as a starter mantra. It appears to me that beej aksharas were used just so there could be a many teachers because no special level of attainment is needed to teach them. In fact they can even work for people out of a book.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: I know this isn't news to those who've been watching how believers on this forum have been acting since the posting limits were lifted, but for the rest of you: http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-corr\ elation-between-intelligence-and-faith/ http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-cor\ relation-between-intelligence-and-faith/ And as long as we're sharing hard science, a related study. :-) http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/13/atheists-more-smug-than-relig\ ious-people-spoof_n_3747666.html http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/13/atheists-more-smug-than-reli\ gious-people-spoof_n_3747666.html
[FairfieldLife] Fuck you, Barry [Re: An Open Message To Share]
Heh. Could not help notice this. Dr. Dumbass, are you an asshole telling yourself to go fuck your insensitive asshole? (Because you posted a reply to your own reply, otherwise I would not ask you this question.) :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: I am so glad we have never met - But if I ever meet you in person, I'll be sure to accidentally spill a full Tripel, down the front of your shirt. And the back too, where it can temporarily wash away that yellow stripe of yours. Asshole. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Fuck you, and I mean it. You are an insensitive asshole, who likes to bully others, and I hope you die alone. Again, Fuck You. Ah, I feel all better now! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: NDE's Explained?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: To us sceptics it was always going to be something like this, the only thing to raise my eyebrows here is the claim that 20% of heart attack victims report a NDE, is it that many? You don't wonder about whether experiments on rats can tell us definitively what the story is with human beings? What's the difference? Do you think we evolved an afterlife but rodents didn't, how would that work? Huh? I don't think I said anything about an afterlife. That would be way premature. Rats are mammals, it might seem insulting but they are therefore virtually identical to us, the trouble is that the human race considers itself such a big screaming deal when the only difference is the intricate cerebral cortex where our ideas and speculations live. Right. But the cerebral cortex would be what generates NDEs, right? Since rats don't have a cerebral cortex (and therefore, presumably, do not have NDEs), it doesn't seem that we have any firm connection between what is seen in the rats' brains at the point of death and the human NDE. The research results are suggestive and definitely need further study--including, somehow, in humans. But I don't really think we can say the question of NDEs has been answered. FWIW, I've read several reports of this study now, and there seem to be quite a few qualified scientists who are skeptical of the degree to which it tells us anything about the human experience of death. The lower brain centres are the same in all animals that's most likely why a neurologists would feel comfortable drawing this comparison. I'm all for human experiments in this field, though some seem bound to question the morals of such interesting work, we need some volunteers...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
There are two kinds of people in this world, Barry. On the one hand, those, like you, who take pride in themselves, by always standing on the backs of others. Making comparisons to the lowest common denominators, in every discipline, and implicitly pronouncing themselves better. It is a sad life, for such souls are always looking for something worse, Out There, to prop up their lack of self-esteem. Having so little to offer of themselves, they look for stereotypes and concepts, and people, who can be easily attacked, proving themselves, once again, the victors, first among all. A personality enslaved by its ego. Maybe it makes people who feel lonely and inadequate, feel better about themselves, soothes and distracts from the inner dialogue of pain. Yes, dig those heels in, Barry, as you stand on the backs of others, to elevate yourself. But you are fooling nobody, least of all, yourself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: I know this isn't news to those who've been watching how believers on this forum have been acting since the posting limits were lifted, but for the rest of you: http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-corr\ elation-between-intelligence-and-faith/ http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-cor\ relation-between-intelligence-and-faith/ And as long as we're sharing hard science, a related study. :-) http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/13/atheists-more-smug-than-relig\ ious-people-spoof_n_3747666.html http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/13/atheists-more-smug-than-reli\ gious-people-spoof_n_3747666.html
[FairfieldLife] B. brings sunshine to Helsinki?
http://www.foreca.com/Finland/Helsinki?details=20130815
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for the Pesticides, America!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: (snip) You're the one that is lying by claiming I replied to all your posts, which I clearly didn't. You clearly did reply to all my posts. I didn't reply to *your* last post. You know it, I know it, you know I know it. I posted the links. You couldn't come up with a post from me in our discussion that you hadn't answered, from either the Yahoo archive or the independent Mail Archive. That's because no such post ever existed. And for good reason, one has to be fairly obsessed to bother about details that happened decades ago. You seemed to have quite an interest in discussing those details yourself, Nabby. As for shameful behavior you have been caught lying about this but refuse to admit it. That's shameful behavior in my book. It's you who has been caught lying about this but refuses to admit it. Nabby, it's just silly, because anybody can check for themselves to determine who is lying. Plus which, they know I don't lie, and they know you *do* lie. The shameful behavior is all yours. I hope it keeps you warm at night. And I'm sorry your ego is so fragile that you can't admit having made a mistake.
[FairfieldLife] Fuck you, Barry [Re: An Open Message To Share]
Huh? more coffee for you this morning, Obba. I was continuing my train of thought, not responding to myself...Hey, watch your language!:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Heh. Could not help notice this. Dr. Dumbass, are you an asshole telling yourself to go fuck your insensitive asshole? (Because you posted a reply to your own reply, otherwise I would not ask you this question.) :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I am so glad we have never met - But if I ever meet you in person, I'll be sure to accidentally spill a full Tripel, down the front of your shirt. And the back too, where it can temporarily wash away that yellow stripe of yours. Asshole. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Fuck you, and I mean it. You are an insensitive asshole, who likes to bully others, and I hope you die alone. Again, Fuck You. Ah, I feel all better now! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: salyavin, I was glancing at title of your thread and then Dick May's thread and wondered...anyway, yes, average IQ is dropping over time, dropped 3 points since 1950, at least according to one researcher. Hope the table is accessible. Makes me question natural selection. http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/BRBAKER/ This chap is not too high on the literacy scale himself. And just for the record, this piece is a report on other people's research, not his own, so calling him a researcher is a bit of an exaggeration. (It's a short paper for a sociology class; I'd love to know what grade he got.) It's no surprise to me, I've seen Idiocracy. The less we have to do, the less that intelligence will be important enough to select for. Not so fast, you guys. This is a very complex and controversial topic. Here's a good overview: http://www.livescience.com/37095-humans-smarter-or-dumber.html Just for one thing, there's something called the Flynn Effect, a well-known series of findings from 1941 to the present showing a steady *rise* in average IQ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect There was a recent study (not covered in this student's paper but discussed in the Live Science article) showing a decline in IQ, but it used *reaction time* as a measurement rather than IQ scores. Several (actual) researchers have questioned whether reaction time can stand as a proxy for IQ. Finally, salyavin surely knows this, but others may not: Science journalism in the mainstream media is not so hot. When you see a headline about the latest scientific research that makes you go Wow!, before you assume the findings as reported in the news outlet are facts, check other more scientifically oriented sources. Mainstream media reports are looking for *eyeballs*, not necessarily doing their best to do justice to science. Remember, things only get selected if they confer an advantage and all most people have to do is stumble to work and afterwards, flop in front of the TV eating cheeseburgers (making the occasional post to FFL along the way). As the blurb under the graph says, we tend to breed with people of similar intellect, so this trend will get cemented as a majority position. I think this has already happened in the UK (seriously) but I think we will end up like the Eloi and the Morlocks in The Time Machine, two human species but very different in the way they look and act. There is no reason why evolution should keep making things better.
[FairfieldLife] Re: NDE's Explained?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: To us sceptics it was always going to be something like this, the only thing to raise my eyebrows here is the claim that 20% of heart attack victims report a NDE, is it that many? You don't wonder about whether experiments on rats can tell us definitively what the story is with human beings? What's the difference? Do you think we evolved an afterlife but rodents didn't, how would that work? Rats are mammals, it might seem insulting but they are therefore virtually identical to us, the trouble is that the human race considers itself such a big screaming deal when the only difference is the intricate cerebral cortex where our ideas and speculations live. The lower brain centres are the same in all animals that's most likely why a neurologists would feel comfortable drawing this comparison. I'm all for human experiments in this field, though some seem bound to question the morals of such interesting work, we need some volunteers... I guarantee if you pay some people enough money and promise to get them their own reality show some dumbos would be happy to volunteer to be clinically dead for a while...
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Barry: Share, you're getting all the attention, damn it. After all my years of hard work dragging down the forum to get attention, you've topped my efforts in one day and it's pissing me off. Share: Poor widdle Barry. Just do some hump-time unlimited posting like a cat in heat as I do and you'll catch up to me in no time flat. Barry: No can do. I'm trying to prove that I have more self-control than Judy. Share: Have some cheese with your whine, not hard cheese and not before bedtime, it blocks the shrotas. Barry: Your gobbledygook talk is driving me nuts. Share: Nuts are good for your brain cells. Here have some Barry: (Looks inside the bag of nuts) There are only two nuts in here. RD: Sounds about right. Hey Raunchy, what I really want to know is which dog are you in that picture? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese r*tarded??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: Oh. How does that mätäkuun juttu (which means literally in Finland a rotting-month story) elaborate cardemaister r*tarded-iness? So this -now FFL i-particle ghost- in his beg-ness-mess lurking for understanding and explaination may stand up again from his ketou-ing position. Resurrected and reincarnated ! BTW Having the choice between rotten or poison. Because of Your linked old-style -Chinese-Watcher-story(not from HK now but from internet-claimed Peking office) intended side effect on some ful-cup-mind here the Spanish term serpiente de verano (summer snake) which is often used, not for the season, but for the news seems to nail it better IMHO. (Do not want to mentione the many cucumbers references in many other languages for silly season e.g. Sauregurkenzeit pickled cucumber season or Sommerloch (summer [news]hole) etc because of its sexual double- entendre sensitive Kosak Dancers here at FFLmay erase this already erased kow -tau-ketou-ing- one into a horror vacui) Sometimes it's impossible to define exactly what makes a - that -all -sorts -of -silly- stuff -vamped-up -for- padding-silly season story . Although if a pop academic were to devise a formula it would doubtless make the dull Big Gooseberry Seasonla morte-saison news again. Merudanda Not in the Dome. Still in ketou-ing position Alex please do not read and /or count [;)] this post This is one of the most cryptic/disjointed/indulgent posts I have read recently. Maybe Share could translate it for me because I can't make cucumbers or snake tails out of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita wrote: Chinese students and their parents protest for the right to cheat6/21/2013After metal detectors and some good old-fashioned pat downs were used to relieve students of all their cheating mechanisms before the notoriously difficult Chinese university entrance exam, things didn't go over too well. And by that we mean a crowd of 2,000 students and their parents rioted outside the Hubei province high school, reportedly throwing rocks at windows and, honest to God, chanting We want fairness. There is no fairness if you do not let us cheat. One parent reportedly punched a teacher in the face. The increased security was implemented after 99 students at the Zhongxiang school turned in identical papers last year. The protestors argued that preventing students from cheating puts them at a distinct disadvantage in a country where cheating has become standard. http://tinyurl.com/k9jz9f6 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote: http://www.amazon.cn/gp/bestsellers/wireless/665002051/ref=zg_bsnr_tab
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese r*tarded??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: dear merudanda still not in the Dome yet who could never ever be erased, before writing this reply, being so well trained by FFL, I googled Kosak Dancers to see if I am one and I guess google is very behind the timesbecause they had NO LISTING! Perhaps Kosak is special merudanda or carde spelling? Anyway, so many snakes and cucumbers! Let's not count those either (-: Oh, I see, she can't make anything out of it either. My mistake. SORRY Share, I thought maybe you knew what that post was all about but I was WRONG. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 4:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chinese r*tarded??  Oh. How does that mätäkuun juttu (which means literally in Finland a rotting-month story) elaborate cardemaister r*tarded-iness? So this -now FFL i-particle ghost- in his beg-ness-mess lurking for understanding and explaination may stand up again from his ketou-ing position. Resurrected and reincarnated ! BTW Having the choice between rotten or poison. Because of Your linked old-style -Chinese-Watcher-story(not from HK now but from internet-claimed Peking office) intended side effect on some ful-cup-mind here the Spanish termserpiente de verano (summer snake) which is often used, not for the season, but for the news seems to nail it better IMHO. (Do not want to mentione the many cucumbers references in many other languages for silly season e.g. Sauregurkenzeit pickled cucumber season or Sommerloch (summer [news]hole) etc because of its sexual double- entendre sensitive Kosak Dancers here at FFLmay erase this already erased kow -tau-ketou-ing- one into a horror vacui) Sometimes it's impossible to define exactly what makes a - that -all -sorts -of -silly- stuff -vamped-up -for- padding-silly season story . Although if a pop academic were to devise a formula it would doubtless make the dull Big Gooseberry Seasonla morte-saison news again. Merudanda Not in the Dome. Still in ketou-ing position Alex please do not read and /or count this post --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita wrote: Chinese students and their parents protest for the right to cheat6/21/2013After metal detectors and some good old-fashioned pat downs were used to relieve students of all their cheating mechanisms before the notoriously difficult Chinese university entrance exam, things didn't go over too well. And by that we mean a crowd of 2,000 students and their parents rioted outside the Hubei province high school, reportedly throwing rocks at windows and, honest to God, chanting We want fairness. There is no fairness if you do not let us cheat. One parent reportedly punched a teacher in the face. The increased security was implemented after 99 students at the Zhongxiang school turned in identical papers last year. The protestors argued that preventing students from cheating puts them at a distinct disadvantage in a country where cheating has become standard. http://tinyurl.com/k9jz9f6 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote: http://www.amazon.cn/gp/bestsellers/wireless/665002051/ref=zg_bsnr_tab
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fuck you, Barry [Re: An Open Message To Share]
Dudes and dudetts! Please just breath a liitle or in TM speak... let's close the eyes Is all *this* worth it? From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fuck you, Barry [Re: An Open Message To Share] Huh? more coffee for you this morning, Obba. I was continuing my train of thought, not responding to myself...Hey, watch your language!:-) --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Heh. Could not help notice this. Dr. Dumbass, are you an asshole telling yourself to go fuck your insensitive asshole? (Because you posted a reply to your own reply, otherwise I would not ask you this question.) :) --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I am so glad we have never met - But if I ever meet you in person, I'll be sure to accidentally spill a full Tripel, down the front of your shirt. And the back too, where it can temporarily wash away that yellow stripe of yours. Asshole. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Fuck you, and I mean it. You are an insensitive asshole, who likes to bully others, and I hope you die alone. Again, Fuck You. Ah, I feel all better now! --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: There are two kinds of people in this world, Barry. On the one hand, those, like you, who take pride in themselves, by always standing on the backs of others. Making comparisons to the lowest common denominators, in every discipline, and implicitly pronouncing themselves better. It is a sad life, for such souls are always looking for something worse, Out There, to prop up their lack of self-esteem. Having so little to offer of themselves, they look for stereotypes and concepts, and people, who can be easily attacked, proving themselves, once again, the victors, first among all. A personality enslaved by its ego. Maybe it makes people who feel lonely and inadequate, feel better about themselves, soothes and distracts from the inner dialogue of pain. Yes, dig those heels in, Barry, as you stand on the backs of others, to elevate yourself. But you are fooling nobody, least of all, yourself. I still haven't figured out whether Barry is fooling himself or not. Is he intentionally unaware of his behavior or is his need to feel superior so overpowering that he just doesn't give a shit about crushing others? http://youtu.be/wV1FrqwZyKw --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: I know this isn't news to those who've been watching how believers on this forum have been acting since the posting limits were lifted, but for the rest of you: http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-corr\ elation-between-intelligence-and-faith/ http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-cor\ relation-between-intelligence-and-faith/ And as long as we're sharing hard science, a related study. :-) http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/13/atheists-more-smug-than-relig\ ious-people-spoof_n_3747666.html http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/13/atheists-more-smug-than-reli\ gious-people-spoof_n_3747666.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Give bad behavior your attention, and you encourage it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: One week after my initial reaction to hearing about the proposed Unlimited Posting Experiment, I think it's worthwhile reposting the prediction I made at the time. I have done exactly what I suggested when making it, and have ignored a certain group of people who I knew would abuse the privilege of posting more, neither replying to them or even mentioning them. This morning I added one more person to the list. If, after wading through 763 posts so far during the first 3.5 days of this experiment, you feel that my prediction was accurate, and might have been a bit prescient, I might suggest adopting a similar policy. Personally, I'm looking forward to this upcoming Post As Much As You Bloody Well Please experiment. What would happen, for example, if the people that the most vociferous TBs here love to hate just IGNORED THEIR SILLY ASSES COMPLETELY? WHAT would they find to write about? My bet is that they'd 1) develop new enemies, just to have someone to dump on, True. Barry finally came out of the closet and exposed the fact that he thinks his former friend Share is an attention-seeking idiot nut job. 2) spend a shitload of time backslapping and jerking each other off about how cool and important they are, True. But you do this ALL the time. and 3) not be able to think of terribly much new or creative or even interesting to discuss. True. Barry is still making the same predictions and ranting about the same subjects. I guess we'll see... And we did see. Well done, you are three for three...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Give bad behavior your attention, and you encourage it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Nothing to control here, Barry - too bad, huh? It is great btw, having seen relatively little of you lately. That is because he has tied his hands together so he can't overpost, as much as he might want to. To do so would indicate some sort of fatal human flaw. By the time Friday comes Barry will point out the post numbers. He is the equivalent of the anorexic poster (now Share will think I am making fun of anorexics AND those with speech impediments). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: One week after my initial reaction to hearing about the proposed Unlimited Posting Experiment, I think it's worthwhile reposting the prediction I made at the time. I have done exactly what I suggested when making it, and have ignored a certain group of people who I knew would abuse the privilege of posting more, neither replying to them or even mentioning them. This morning I added one more person to the list. If, after wading through 763 posts so far during the first 3.5 days of this experiment, you feel that my prediction was accurate, and might have been a bit prescient, I might suggest adopting a similar policy. Personally, I'm looking forward to this upcoming Post As Much As You Bloody Well Please experiment. What would happen, for example, if the people that the most vociferous TBs here love to hate just IGNORED THEIR SILLY ASSES COMPLETELY? WHAT would they find to write about? My bet is that they'd 1) develop new enemies, just to have someone to dump on, 2) spend a shitload of time backslapping and jerking each other off about how cool and important they are, and 3) not be able to think of terribly much new or creative or even interesting to discuss. I guess we'll see...
[FairfieldLife] Re: NDE's Explained?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: To us sceptics it was always going to be something like this, the only thing to raise my eyebrows here is the claim that 20% of heart attack victims report a NDE, is it that many? You don't wonder about whether experiments on rats can tell us definitively what the story is with human beings? What's the difference? Do you think we evolved an afterlife but rodents didn't, how would that work? Rats are mammals, it might seem insulting but they are therefore virtually identical to us, the trouble is that the human race considers itself such a big screaming deal when the only difference is the intricate cerebral cortex where our ideas and speculations live. The lower brain centres are the same in all animals that's most likely why a neurologists would feel comfortable drawing this comparison. I'm all for human experiments in this field, though some seem bound to question the morals of such interesting work, we need some volunteers... I guarantee if you pay some people enough money and promise to get them their own reality show some dumbos would be happy to volunteer to be clinically dead for a while... I'm sure that most people on the Jeremy Kyle show wouldn't be able to tell the difference which might make them bad subjects. I think there was a movie about this? Brat pack thing.. erm..students suffocating themselves (?) and using CPR at the last minute to come back to life, Keifer Sutherland? It's ringing bells but my memory is now full and old stuff tends to drop out when it isn't used...either that or it was rubbish...
[FairfieldLife] Re: NDE's Explained?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I'm all for human experiments in this field, though some seem bound to question the morals of such interesting work, we need some volunteers... I think there was a movie about this? Brat pack thing.. erm..students suffocating themselves (?) and using CPR at the last minute to come back to life, Keifer Sutherland? It's ringing bells but my memory is now full and old stuff tends to drop out when it isn't used...either that or it was rubbish... Could be a little of both. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099582/?ref_=sr_1 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099582/?ref_=sr_1 Definitely non-memorable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for the Pesticides, America!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: (snip) You're the one that is lying by claiming I replied to all your posts, which I clearly didn't. You clearly did reply to all my posts. I didn't reply to *your* last post. You know it, I know it, you know I know it. I posted the links. You couldn't come up with a post from me in our discussion that you hadn't answered, from either the Yahoo archive or the independent Mail Archive. That's because no such post ever existed. And for good reason, one has to be fairly obsessed to bother about details that happened decades ago. You seemed to have quite an interest in discussing those details yourself, Nabby. As for shameful behavior you have been caught lying about this but refuse to admit it. That's shameful behavior in my book. It's you who has been caught lying about this but refuses to admit it. Nabby, it's just silly, because anybody can check for themselves to determine who is lying. Plus which, they know I don't lie, and they know you *do* lie. Perhaps they have gotten a different opinion over time. I also was under the impression that Judy always told the truth. Not anymore. You are trying to manipulate the fact that I didn't answer your last post but has failed. I doubt anyone is interested but if they are they can look up all the posts and see for themselves whether I answered it or not. I didn't, you know it and I know it. Your insistence of always being correct is ridiculous.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rice art...
ah, my first encounter with an Environmental Art critic (-: Thanks for posting, salyavin, fascinating because I actually love environmental art of all kinds including the crop circles. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 7:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rice art... No easy circle based patterns, these guys leave the Space Brothers in the dust: http://www.buzzfeed.com/kevintang/insane-works-of-japanese-rice-paddy-art
[FairfieldLife] Re: NDE's Explained?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: To us sceptics it was always going to be something like this, the only thing to raise my eyebrows here is the claim that 20% of heart attack victims report a NDE, is it that many? You don't wonder about whether experiments on rats can tell us definitively what the story is with human beings? What's the difference? Do you think we evolved an afterlife but rodents didn't, how would that work? Huh? I don't think I said anything about an afterlife. That would be way premature. It's got to be the least likely explanation. How would you measure an afterlife from here anyway? Is an NDE a hand over of consciousness into another realm? I'd better stop giving new-ager's ideas... Rats are mammals, it might seem insulting but they are therefore virtually identical to us, the trouble is that the human race considers itself such a big screaming deal when the only difference is the intricate cerebral cortex where our ideas and speculations live. Right. But the cerebral cortex would be what generates NDEs, right? I would say not, the cortex is what attaches meaning and explanation to experiences (among other things) Rats may very well have NDE's but they lack the machinery to sit around pontificating about it afterwards. Which is a shame, I'd like to know how a rat might experience a deeper spiritual outlook, less horsing around in the sewers perhaps or a monogamous lifestyle. Natural law for rodents, King Tony missed that. Since rats don't have a cerebral cortex (and therefore, presumably, do not have NDEs), it doesn't seem that we have any firm connection between what is seen in the rats' brains at the point of death and the human NDE. But what we do have is a connection between a time when the brain is traditionally thought to be dead and some unexplained activity. We'd have to measure it in humans before even guessing what the content might possibly be, depending on where in the brain it registers most. I was reading the other day that music is decoded from soundwaves by 4 different parts of the brain. One for the beat, one for notes, one for activating emotional response etc. A symphony all by itself that we experience as one thing. Very clever. The research results are suggestive and definitely need further study--including, somehow, in humans. But I don't really think we can say the question of NDEs has been answered. FWIW, I've read several reports of this study now, and there seem to be quite a few qualified scientists who are skeptical of the degree to which it tells us anything about the human experience of death. Ah, that's why I put a ? at the end of the post title.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Clarify
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: In fact [beej mantras] can even work for people out of a book. I seriously doubt this. I have been doing TM long enough that taking the mantra innocently and not attempting to control my experience, seems like second nature now. But I struggled mightily for the first ten or fifteen years. I have forgotten what that state of mind was like, though I did try everything and anything out of books, before TM, and I just didn't have the mental agility to apply a mantra innocently, and delicately, without direct instruction on how to do so, from a person. I know a person who tried to learn TM from a book, all he got was a headache.
[FairfieldLife] Re: NDE's Explained?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I'm all for human experiments in this field, though some seem bound to question the morals of such interesting work, we need some volunteers... I think there was a movie about this? Brat pack thing.. erm..students suffocating themselves (?) and using CPR at the last minute to come back to life, Keifer Sutherland? It's ringing bells but my memory is now full and old stuff tends to drop out when it isn't used...either that or it was rubbish... Could be a little of both. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099582/?ref_=sr_1 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099582/?ref_=sr_1 Definitely non-memorable. Ah that was it, thanks. I remember it now, nice idea but poorly executed - like so much big screen sci-fi. Kevin Bacon turned into a proper actor though.
[FairfieldLife] I never knew....
[I never knew!]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
What? Salyavin, I thought that was the definition of evolution, things getting better! But I guess one must take a quite humungous view of the whole situation. Meaning that even if earth is becoming overpopulated with dummies, somewhere in the universe a planet is being underpopulated by geniuses. And all that adds up to evolution. Is that a valid way to consider your statement: There is no reason why evolution should keep making things better. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 7:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: salyavin, I was glancing at title of your thread and then Dick May's thread and wondered...anyway, yes, average IQ is dropping over time, dropped 3 points since 1950, at least according to one researcher. Hope the table is accessible. Makes me question natural selection. http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/BRBAKER/ It's no surprise to me, I've seen Idiocracy. The less we have to do, the less that intelligence will be important enough to select for. Remember, things only get selected if they confer an advantage and all most people have to do is stumble to work and afterwards, flop in front of the TV eating cheeseburgers (making the occasional post to FFL along the way). As the blurb under the graph says, we tend to breed with people of similar intellect, so this trend will get cemented as a majority position. I think this has already happened in the UK (seriously) but I think we will end up like the Eloi and the Morlocks in The Time Machine, two human species but very different in the way they look and act. There is no reason why evolution should keep making things better. __ From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: What is that country with the highest national IQ (~ 107) with fairly few (about 12%) atheists? South-Korea?? One two-second Google search away: http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-with-the-highest-lowest-average- Reply to sender  Reply to group  Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (6) Recent Activity:     * New Members 1  Visit Your Group To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: I never knew....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: [I never knew!] Didn't work for me in Firefox, but it did in Chrome.
[FairfieldLife] Fuck you, Barry [Re: An Open Message To Share]
Sure! Good Morning, M Dixon! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Dudes and dudetts! Please just breath a liitle or in TM speak... let's close the eyes Is all *this* worth it? From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fuck you, Barry [Re: An Open Message To Share] Â Huh? more coffee for you this morning, Obba. I was continuing my train of thought, not responding to myself...Hey, watch your language!:-) --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Heh. Could not help notice this. Dr. Dumbass, are you an asshole telling yourself to go fuck your insensitive asshole? (Because you posted a reply to your own reply, otherwise I would not ask you this question.) :) --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I am so glad we have never met - But if I ever meet you in person, I'll be sure to accidentally spill a full Tripel, down the front of your shirt. And the back too, where it can temporarily wash away that yellow stripe of yours. Asshole. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Fuck you, and I mean it. You are an insensitive asshole, who likes to bully others, and I hope you die alone. Again, Fuck You. Ah, I feel all better now! --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
He knows. People like that always do - whether it comes to them late at night, in bed, or sitting in a cafe, alone, somewhere. Granted he has the emotional maturity of a twelve year old, but there is A LOT of self-loathing in there, also. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: There are two kinds of people in this world, Barry. On the one hand, those, like you, who take pride in themselves, by always standing on the backs of others. Making comparisons to the lowest common denominators, in every discipline, and implicitly pronouncing themselves better. It is a sad life, for such souls are always looking for something worse, Out There, to prop up their lack of self-esteem. Having so little to offer of themselves, they look for stereotypes and concepts, and people, who can be easily attacked, proving themselves, once again, the victors, first among all. A personality enslaved by its ego. Maybe it makes people who feel lonely and inadequate, feel better about themselves, soothes and distracts from the inner dialogue of pain. Yes, dig those heels in, Barry, as you stand on the backs of others, to elevate yourself. But you are fooling nobody, least of all, yourself. I still haven't figured out whether Barry is fooling himself or not. Is he intentionally unaware of his behavior or is his need to feel superior so overpowering that he just doesn't give a shit about crushing others? http://youtu.be/wV1FrqwZyKw --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: I know this isn't news to those who've been watching how believers on this forum have been acting since the posting limits were lifted, but for the rest of you: http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-corr\ elation-between-intelligence-and-faith/ http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-cor\ relation-between-intelligence-and-faith/ And as long as we're sharing hard science, a related study. :-) http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/13/atheists-more-smug-than-relig\ ious-people-spoof_n_3747666.html http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/13/atheists-more-smug-than-reli\ gious-people-spoof_n_3747666.html
[FairfieldLife] photos of meteor showers around the world
http://earthsky.org/space/photos-from-friends-2013-perseid-meteor-shower
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for the Pesticides, America!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: (snip) It's you who has been caught lying about this but refuses to admit it. Nabby, it's just silly, because anybody can check for themselves to determine who is lying. Plus which, they know I don't lie, and they know you *do* lie. Perhaps they have gotten a different opinion over time. Don't think so, because I haven't changed my behavior. I also was under the impression that Judy always told the truth. Not anymore. Your new impression is wrong. And you know why it's wrong. You are trying to manipulate the fact that I didn't answer your last post Since that's not a fact, there's nothing to be manipulated. You *did* answer my last post. I already proved that. but has failed. You have failed *totally* to make your case. I doubt anyone is interested but if they are they can look up all the posts and see for themselves whether I answered it or not. Indeed they can, as I've said all along, but you'd better pray they don't. There was no post to *be* answered after my last post. Your answer to that post is the final post in our discussion. Nothing, no more posts in the discussion, after your response to my last post. I didn't You did. you know it and I know it. We both know you did (as would anyone who checked). Your insistence of always being correct is ridiculous. You think I should let you get away with a lie?? I genuinely don't know whether you believe what you're saying or are just compulsively trying to brazen it out with this falsehood, hoping against hope folks will believe you rather than me, because...because what? Why on earth should they? Especially when you are unable to produce the one piece of evidence that could make your case rock-solid if it existed? If it did exist, you could prove me a liar and exonerate yourself. If it existed, why on earth wouldn't you post it? Why do you think repeating your claim over and over again is going to *convince* anybody when you have no evidence to back it up? Life doesn't work like that, Nabby. Again, you've sealed yourself inside a little box you can't get out of, all because you can't bring yourself to admit a mistake. It wasn't even a very *important* mistake. You could have just admitted it when I first pointed it out, and that would have been that. Probably nobody but me would have noticed. The longer you refuse to admit what's obviously true, the harder it will become to do so.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: What? Salyavin, I thought that was the definition of evolution, things getting better! You thought this was the definition of *Darwinian* evolution?? Really? Did you not take science in high school? But I guess one must take a quite humungous view of the whole situation. Meaning that even if earth is becoming overpopulated with dummies, somewhere in the universe a planet is being underpopulated by geniuses. And all that adds up to evolution. Is that a valid way to consider your statement: There is no reason why evolution should keep making things better. Uh, no, it isn't a valid way.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Photos to shame educational loan defaulters
Obbajee, do you think there is a solution to this kind of madness? From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Photos to shame educational loan defaulters http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/sbi-displays-photos-to-shame-educational-loan-defaulters-faces-flak-404925
[FairfieldLife] It's all just chemistry.
This is your brain on death: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23672150
[FairfieldLife] Re: photos of meteor showers around the world
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: http://earthsky.org/space/photos-from-friends-2013-perseid-meteor-shower Good pics. I have fond memories of watching the Perseids when I was younger and not so bothered by staying up all night. We used to go to a hilltop Iron age fort in the middle of nowhere and build a fire, and as it got dark and the beers were finished the show would commence. Saw some really good showers and always at its best at 2-3 in the morning when the world is silent. A great secret show.
[FairfieldLife] Fuck you, Barry [Re: An Open Message To Share]
Hell fuckin yeah its worth it, dammit! Mike D, a little breath, is one thing. If TM speak defines that as, Let's close the eyes, for breathing, um, Houston, we have a problem. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Dudes and dudetts! Please just breath a liitle or in TM speak... let's close the eyes Is all *this* worth it? From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fuck you, Barry [Re: An Open Message To Share] Â Huh? more coffee for you this morning, Obba. I was continuing my train of thought, not responding to myself...Hey, watch your language!:-) --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Heh. Could not help notice this. Dr. Dumbass, are you an asshole telling yourself to go fuck your insensitive asshole? (Because you posted a reply to your own reply, otherwise I would not ask you this question.) :) --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I am so glad we have never met - But if I ever meet you in person, I'll be sure to accidentally spill a full Tripel, down the front of your shirt. And the back too, where it can temporarily wash away that yellow stripe of yours. Asshole. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Fuck you, and I mean it. You are an insensitive asshole, who likes to bully others, and I hope you die alone. Again, Fuck You. Ah, I feel all better now! --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word
Hi Share, I haven't left yet - I always back away to shift into pack mode and I am busy so this is all I will reply to. Share, in general, cutting is a self-harm technique used to release pain. I was referring to the fact that you are bleeding all over this forum and doing yourself harm and it is excruciatingly painful to watch/experience for me, but I am sensitive. So, just don't start cutting, O.K.? Share, you brought up the food topic but you tried to pretend you didn't, but saying you referred to it tangentially - tangentially counts Share. You know you have issues with food and I know you do too. Food is survival - don't punish yourself like this. I was bringing them back to your attention yesterday. I don't, but I have other issues - it's not too late to address the self-hate you feel Share. You must be queen bee Share and go after all the women here but yet, you let your king bee off the hook. Do you hate women Share? Look at the behavior of your bedfellow Share. Look how he treated you after the months you've spent suckling him? Does it even occur to you that *you* need to take a look at what it is inside *yourself* that draws you to this man? Take a day off - meditate - do some introspection - evaluate the complete disregard you have for yourself in how you conduct yourself. Give your poor tired, frantic brain a rest. Take a bath. Be kind to yourself. Write with purpose. Write full sentences. I care Share, but your relentless pain and demands of everyone is exhausting to participate in. Bye now, Emily --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Alex posted something and you said don't give Share any ideas. What was that referring to? From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word  Good one Share - now, please elaborate on my shadow side for me.  Everything I write I can back up Share - I don't take pot shots without being able to explain why I said what I did and am willing, if need be, to discuss it.  How about you?  Dig deep, woman, dig deep. Don't hold back.  I'll be back in September - giving you time to write at least a single paragraph. Enjoy the rest of August.  Emily.  From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word  If you truly look forward to hearing about my meals, Emily, then I suggest you immediately apply for a job at NSA. I think they're needing people with such tendencies. From: emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word  Share, I look forward to hearing about the details of every meal you partake in on your next vacation. And be sure to ask Steve about every meal he partook in during his latest trip. Revel in his sinfulness and keep the fantasy alive. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: more tee hee, just had organic, roasted almond butter with rainforest stevia for dessert, totally yummy, in my tummy, no need for toast and jam, nor even green eggs and ham! From: emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word àShare wants toast and jelly But fears for her belly She harbors self-hate And cries at her fate She must face her beast But prefers to unleash Her tirades of rhyme And continues in crime --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote: Dudy can't help herself so she reads, since more ammo she always needs, saving the world from dastardly deeds! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Annie banannie, isn't this fun, can't help smiling when rhyming is done, now have a good snort and go for a run! Chare-Whare thinks her rhymes Should willy-nilly ring our chimes. Lamentably, she cannot fathom Why they end up being so tiresome.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: What? Salyavin, I thought that was the definition of evolution, things getting better! That might be the definition of spiritual evolution but real nature doesn't give much of a toss about what happens to its creations. We are just vehicles for passing on genes and if genes were perfect at their job [making copies of themselves] we wouldn't even be here and nor would anything else apart from an awful lot of identical copies of the single cell we all sprang from. It's the mistakes genes make while copying that create the complexity you see and there is no guiding force towards perfection - whatever that means. Everything is just trying to survive to reproduce and the vast majority don't make it. That's the other part of the engine of evolution. Of course, if something gives you an advantage then it can become the group norm but once it isn't used as much it can be deselected without anyone noticing, like the eyes of cave dwelling fish that are totally blind or the appendix in humans. But I guess one must take a quite humungous view of the whole situation. Meaning that even if earth is becoming overpopulated with dummies, somewhere in the universe a planet is being underpopulated by geniuses. And all that adds up to evolution. Is that a valid way to consider your statement: There is no reason why evolution should keep making things better. No. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 7:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: salyavin, I was glancing at title of your thread and then Dick May's thread and wondered...anyway, yes, average IQ is dropping over time, dropped 3 points since 1950, at least according to one researcher. Hope the table is accessible. Makes me question natural selection. http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/BRBAKER/ It's no surprise to me, I've seen Idiocracy. The less we have to do, the less that intelligence will be important enough to select for. Remember, things only get selected if they confer an advantage and all most people have to do is stumble to work and afterwards, flop in front of the TV eating cheeseburgers (making the occasional post to FFL along the way). As the blurb under the graph says, we tend to breed with people of similar intellect, so this trend will get cemented as a majority position. I think this has already happened in the UK (seriously) but I think we will end up like the Eloi and the Morlocks in The Time Machine, two human species but very different in the way they look and act. There is no reason why evolution should keep making things better. __ From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: What is that country with the highest national IQ (~ 107) with fairly few (about 12%) atheists? South-Korea?? One two-second Google search away: http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-with-the-highest-lowest-average- Reply to senderààReply to groupààStart a New Topic Messages in this topic (6) Recent Activity: àààà* New Members 1ààVisit Your Group To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest ââ¬Â¢ Unsubscribe ââ¬Â¢ Terms of Use ââ¬Â¢ Send us Feedback . ÃÂ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Clarify
As I've pointed out many times even the process of practicing TM is ALSO not unique and published long before Maharishi even started teaching TM. In India people use the beej mantras for a number of things. Also astrologers and ayurvedic practitioners give them out for temporary use. Even the longer mantras will work out of a book for SOME people but for other may remain flat. The trick is indeed the appropriate mantra. You wouldn't want to give someone who is vata the beej mantra Hoom because it would just make them even more vata. On 08/13/2013 05:47 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: In fact [beej mantras] can even work for people out of a book. I seriously doubt this. I have been doing TM long enough that taking the mantra innocently and not attempting to control my experience, seems like second nature now. But I struggled mightily for the first ten or fifteen years. I have forgotten what that state of mind was like, though I did try everything and anything out of books, before TM, and I just didn't have the mental agility to apply a mantra innocently, and delicately, without direct instruction on how to do so, from a person. I don't recall Maharishi stressing that the mantras were all that special, but the technique of using them, very lightly, is. That is where the value-add comes in. Otherwise the mantra is like a hammer (or any other tool); hit my thumb with it, by mistake, or build a mansion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/12/2013 04:09 PM, mjackson74 wrote: Oh, Lordy how we do make up stuff! I never said TM brought me to that place. How do you know it wasn't the few years of PSM or the other things I dabbled with that did it instead of TM? I know that a lot of this crowd will believe absolutely that it was primarily TM that did it, and the other things were of little value. Experience wise it was just after being exposed to Eckhart Tolle's material that the experience of head to toe Pure Awareness kicked in and as I began to do what he suggests in the Power of Now to practice Presence is when it began to be a daily occurrence. I know you value Maharishi for a number of reasons and I won't argue with your feelings and point of view about him, I just don't happen to share it. I still have my doubts about TM because of the unstressing phenomenon, and the fact that that kind of unstressing doesn't seem to happen in other types of meditation techniques even in a retreat situation as Barry has pointed out a time or two. Oh indeed it does in other meditation programs. It is the shakti moving throughout the body and hitting blockages and pushing them away. It is actually a good thing. BUT, roughness is another thing and that is when unstressing isn't handled properly and that can happen in other programs too. And some of those other programs may be a little more proactive about roughness occurring including telling you to stop meditating for a while (which might be considered blasphemy in TM). Here's Muktananda zapping some people and some are experiencing some physical unstressing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhkjJi4lXHE Many folks walk away from TM because it failed to given them what they were looking for not necessarily in the area of experience but in the area of knowledge. Other paths had much more about yoga and even the way mantras work than TM. Also some people came to TM from other forms of meditation and may have had good experience due to those other techniques. It was just one more technique. Often these people move on too because they want to learn more stuff that cannot be offered by the TMO. Can the TMO make you an Acharya (high level yogi)? Nope, and there is doubt that Maharishi was even that level. If TM had remained inexpensive and simple then a lot of folks wouldn't have much of a problem with it. But charging for and giving out beej aksharas for meditation would seem a little weird in India. Most other paths give out something like the advanced technique as a starter mantra. It appears to me that beej aksharas were used just so there could be a many teachers because no special level of attainment is needed to teach them. In fact they can even work for people out of a book.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos to shame educational loan defaulters
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Obbajee, do you think there is a solution to this kind of madness? What is madness? Outing those who steal money (not pay their debts)? Or posting pictures of them? I think in the case of a number of crimes that posted pictures could be appropriate. Have you ever been to a store where they have a bunch of NSF checks pinned up near the cash register for the world to see? It's basically the same thing as posting pictures of those who don't pay their bills. It can also be a pretty good motivator not to give out rubber checks. From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Photos to shame educational loan defaulters  http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/sbi-displays-photos-to-shame-educational-loan-defaulters-faces-flak-404925Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Hi Share, I haven't left yet - I always back away to shift into pack mode and I am busy so this is all I will reply to. Share, in general, cutting is a self-harm technique used to release pain. I was referring to the fact that you are bleeding all over this forum and doing yourself harm and it is excruciatingly painful to watch/experience for me, but I am sensitive. So, just don't start cutting, O.K.? Share, you brought up the food topic but you tried to pretend you didn't, but saying you referred to it tangentially - tangentially counts Share. You know you have issues with food and I know you do too. Food is survival - don't punish yourself like this. I was bringing them back to your attention yesterday. I don't, but I have other issues - it's not too late to address the self-hate you feel Share. You must be queen bee Share and go after all the women here but yet, you let your king bee off the hook. Do you hate women Share? Look at the behavior of your bedfellow Share. Look how he treated you after the months you've spent suckling him? Does it even occur to you that *you* need to take a look at what it is inside *yourself* that draws you to this man? Take a day off - meditate - do some introspection - evaluate the complete disregard you have for yourself in how you conduct yourself. Give your poor tired, frantic brain a rest. Take a bath. Be kind to yourself. Write with purpose. Write full sentences. I care Share, but your relentless pain and demands of everyone is exhausting to participate in. Bye now, Emily Phew, there's so much here. It isn't easy to read - I can only imagine what Share would be feeling reading it. However, because it is all said from a place of true, if guarded, concern I hope Share can take even a fraction of this in to the place where it could make a difference for her. I'm not placing any wagers on it though. The thing is, for you to sit down and write this difficult post, it shows far more caring for Share than Barry's weeks of faux camaraderie. His open letter to Share was so brutal, so violent it left me lying awake for a while. Anyway, dear Em, you would make an astounding friend. I'm just happy to have made your acquaintance, as brief as it has been, here at FFL. You do inspire me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Alex posted something and you said don't give Share any ideas. What was that referring to? From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word  Good one Share - now, please elaborate on my shadow side for me.  Everything I write I can back up Share - I don't take pot shots without being able to explain why I said what I did and am willing, if need be, to discuss it.  How about you?  Dig deep, woman, dig deep. Don't hold back.  I'll be back in September - giving you time to write at least a single paragraph. Enjoy the rest of August.  Emily.  From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word  If you truly look forward to hearing about my meals, Emily, then I suggest you immediately apply for a job at NSA. I think they're needing people with such tendencies. From: emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word  Share, I look forward to hearing about the details of every meal you partake in on your next vacation. And be sure to ask Steve about every meal he partook in during his latest trip. Revel in his sinfulness and keep the fantasy alive. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: more tee hee, just had organic, roasted almond butter with rainforest stevia for dessert, totally yummy, in my tummy, no need for toast and jam, nor even green eggs and ham! From: emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word àShare wants toast and jelly But fears for her belly She harbors self-hate And cries at her fate She must face her beast But
[FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
Share. Over population with dummies on one planet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0O7_3o3BrI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0O7_3o3BrI and Over population with geniuses, somewhere out there on a planet far away with not much better to do but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxPeIiU2kx4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxPeIiU2kx4 and who spend their time thinking of how to leave their genius planet to come back here and draw crop circles in corn and wheat fields, to bring the dummies a message because http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRfM9MAOpVU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRfM9MAOpVU Well, wouldn't one think God would make it a bit easier by having us all near (Like on the same freakin planet) the same place at a similar time and place to work with each other, simultaneously, than to think the only mission was to multiply to become dumb or a genius in faraway places? So our mere existence is to meet somewhere in the middle (or in our case, they come and land with space ships ie; Nabby's world) and the evolution of people on different planets far away from here is such a waste of time? Selective breeding is the true answer. hmmm, Share, do you have any children and/or have you ever been in a long term relationship, say over 11 years with a partner? ;)(We can use more reason to build spaceships to come here. If you breed, I can send back word to gather our missions farming equipment, some extra boards, and rope all transported Captain Kirk style. Google translate from Alien to English speak only gives me Captain Kirk for option. What is a Captain Kirk?) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: What? Salyavin, I thought that was the definition of evolution, things getting better! But I guess one must take a quite humungous view of the whole situation. Meaning that even if earth is becoming overpopulated with dummies, somewhere in the universe a planet is being underpopulated by geniuses. And all that adds up to evolution. Is that a valid way to consider your statement: There is no reason why evolution should keep making things better. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 7:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: salyavin, I was glancing at title of your thread and then Dick May's thread and wondered...anyway, yes, average IQ is dropping over time, dropped 3 points since 1950, at least according to one researcher. Hope the table is accessible. Makes me question natural selection. http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/BRBAKER/ It's no surprise to me, I've seen Idiocracy. The less we have to do, the less that intelligence will be important enough to select for. Remember, things only get selected if they confer an advantage and all most people have to do is stumble to work and afterwards, flop in front of the TV eating cheeseburgers (making the occasional post to FFL along the way). As the blurb under the graph says, we tend to breed with people of similar intellect, so this trend will get cemented as a majority position. I think this has already happened in the UK (seriously) but I think we will end up like the Eloi and the Morlocks in The Time Machine, two human species but very different in the way they look and act. There is no reason why evolution should keep making things better. __ From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote: What is that country with the highest national IQ (~ 107) with fairly few (about 12%) atheists? South-Korea?? One two-second Google search away: http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-with-the-highest-lowest-average- Reply to senderààReply to groupààStart a New Topic Messages in this topic (6) Recent Activity: àààà* New Members 1ààVisit Your Group To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest ââ¬Â¢ Unsubscribe ââ¬Â¢ Terms of Use ââ¬Â¢ Send us Feedback . ÃÂ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Give bad behavior your attention, and you encourage it
It's pretty easy to ignore entire topics on email. No need to wade. Like I've said before the way FFL behaves it would be better on a forum where you could have sections of topics including a General Topic Anything Goes one. I'm glad I don't read FFL via the web site except to look it over occasionally on my Android phone just to see where the babble is going. ;-) On 08/13/2013 03:09 AM, turquoiseb wrote: One week after my initial reaction to hearing about the proposed Unlimited Posting Experiment, I think it's worthwhile reposting the prediction I made at the time. I have done exactly what I suggested when making it, and have ignored a certain group of people who I knew would abuse the privilege of posting more, neither replying to them or even mentioning them. This morning I added one more person to the list. If, after wading through 763 posts so far during the first 3.5 days of this experiment, you feel that my prediction was accurate, and might have been a bit prescient, I might suggest adopting a similar policy. Personally, I'm looking forward to this upcoming Post As Much As You Bloody Well Please experiment. What would happen, for example, if the people that the most vociferous TBs here love to hate just IGNORED THEIR SILLY ASSES COMPLETELY? WHAT would they find to write about? My bet is that they'd 1) develop new enemies, just to have someone to dump on, 2) spend a shitload of time backslapping and jerking each other off about how cool and important they are, and 3) not be able to think of terribly much new or creative or even interesting to discuss. I guess we'll see...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos to shame educational loan defaulters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EXCIWlm1fs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EXCIWlm1fs Tune in Turn on and Drop out! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Obbajee, do you think there is a solution to this kind of madness? From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Photos to shame educational loan defaulters  http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/sbi-displays-photos-to-shame-educatio\ nal-loan-defaulters-faces-flak-404925Â
[FairfieldLife] And one more for Share - Cute Pics of Babies - Hush Little Baby - Lullaby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3-RVtD54PA
[FairfieldLife] For Share - Teyata - Quiet now and chant this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=669_w1tFTyk
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word
Beautiful. Purely beautiful. Share, you have a friend. Emily is a good one. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Hi Share, I haven't left yet - I always back away to shift into pack mode and I am busy so this is all I will reply to. Share, in general, cutting is a self-harm technique used to release pain. I was referring to the fact that you are bleeding all over this forum and doing yourself harm and it is excruciatingly painful to watch/experience for me, but I am sensitive. So, just don't start cutting, O.K.? Share, you brought up the food topic but you tried to pretend you didn't, but saying you referred to it tangentially - tangentially counts Share. You know you have issues with food and I know you do too. Food is survival - don't punish yourself like this. I was bringing them back to your attention yesterday. I don't, but I have other issues - it's not too late to address the self-hate you feel Share. You must be queen bee Share and go after all the women here but yet, you let your king bee off the hook. Do you hate women Share? Look at the behavior of your bedfellow Share. Look how he treated you after the months you've spent suckling him? Does it even occur to you that *you* need to take a look at what it is inside *yourself* that draws you to this man? Take a day off - meditate - do some introspection - evaluate the complete disregard you have for yourself in how you conduct yourself. Give your poor tired, frantic brain a rest. Take a bath. Be kind to yourself. Write with purpose. Write full sentences. I care Share, but your relentless pain and demands of everyone is exhausting to participate in. Bye now, Emily --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Alex posted something and you said don't give Share any ideas. What was that referring to? From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word  Good one Share - now, please elaborate on my shadow side for me.  Everything I write I can back up Share - I don't take pot shots without being able to explain why I said what I did and am willing, if need be, to discuss it.  How about you?  Dig deep, woman, dig deep. Don't hold back.  I'll be back in September - giving you time to write at least a single paragraph. Enjoy the rest of August.  Emily.  From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word  If you truly look forward to hearing about my meals, Emily, then I suggest you immediately apply for a job at NSA. I think they're needing people with such tendencies. From: emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word  Share, I look forward to hearing about the details of every meal you partake in on your next vacation. And be sure to ask Steve about every meal he partook in during his latest trip. Revel in his sinfulness and keep the fantasy alive. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: more tee hee, just had organic, roasted almond butter with rainforest stevia for dessert, totally yummy, in my tummy, no need for toast and jam, nor even green eggs and ham! From: emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word àShare wants toast and jelly But fears for her belly She harbors self-hate And cries at her fate She must face her beast But prefers to unleash Her tirades of rhyme And continues in crime --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote: Dudy can't help herself so she reads, since more ammo she always needs, saving the world from dastardly deeds! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Annie banannie, isn't this fun, can't help smiling when rhyming is done, now have a good snort and go for a run! Chare-Whare thinks her rhymes Should willy-nilly ring our chimes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: And one more for Share - Cute Pics of Babies - Hush Little Baby - Lullaby
More love being sent yer way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9MncdJ_lOs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9MncdJ_lOs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3-RVtD54PA
[FairfieldLife] Re: Give bad behavior your attention, and you encourage it
Quite frankly, it is exceptionally easy to flip through messages here on the Web, too. Not rocket science. Each has a name and title. For a person with English as a first language, I don't see the issue. I also find it peculiar that the other Barry makes such a big deal discerning what is readable, or not, here. I mean, this is a guy who tracks posts on spreadsheets. I should think that combing through a couple thousand posts a week, would be child's play to such an obsessive fellow like him. Can you say, Control Freak? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore entire topics on email. No need to wade. Like I've said before the way FFL behaves it would be better on a forum where you could have sections of topics including a General Topic Anything Goes one. I'm glad I don't read FFL via the web site except to look it over occasionally on my Android phone just to see where the babble is going. ;-) On 08/13/2013 03:09 AM, turquoiseb wrote: One week after my initial reaction to hearing about the proposed Unlimited Posting Experiment, I think it's worthwhile reposting the prediction I made at the time. I have done exactly what I suggested when making it, and have ignored a certain group of people who I knew would abuse the privilege of posting more, neither replying to them or even mentioning them. This morning I added one more person to the list. If, after wading through 763 posts so far during the first 3.5 days of this experiment, you feel that my prediction was accurate, and might have been a bit prescient, I might suggest adopting a similar policy. Personally, I'm looking forward to this upcoming Post As Much As You Bloody Well Please experiment. What would happen, for example, if the people that the most vociferous TBs here love to hate just IGNORED THEIR SILLY ASSES COMPLETELY? WHAT would they find to write about? My bet is that they'd 1) develop new enemies, just to have someone to dump on, 2) spend a shitload of time backslapping and jerking each other off about how cool and important they are, and 3) not be able to think of terribly much new or creative or even interesting to discuss. I guess we'll see...
[FairfieldLife] Re: And one more for Share - Cute Pics of Babies - Hush Little Baby - Lullaby
Another good sleep, rest, be comfortable with yourself song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_D0i7UC9UY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_D0i7UC9UY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: More love being sent yer way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9MncdJ_lOs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3-RVtD54PA
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Clarify
Yes, Maharishi always said as much - his wasn't a new technique, simply a rediscovery. So, perhaps such knowledge has always existed, somewhere, but I sure didn't know about it, until Maharishi unveiled TM for the West. I don't know anything about the science of mantras, except for my personal experience, so I'll take your word for it. I do understand that the vibration must be a sympathetic one for the physiology, but other than that, it is Greek to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: As I've pointed out many times even the process of practicing TM is ALSO not unique and published long before Maharishi even started teaching TM. In India people use the beej mantras for a number of things. Also astrologers and ayurvedic practitioners give them out for temporary use. Even the longer mantras will work out of a book for SOME people but for other may remain flat. The trick is indeed the appropriate mantra. You wouldn't want to give someone who is vata the beej mantra Hoom because it would just make them even more vata. On 08/13/2013 05:47 AM, doctordumbass@... wrote: In fact [beej mantras] can even work for people out of a book. I seriously doubt this. I have been doing TM long enough that taking the mantra innocently and not attempting to control my experience, seems like second nature now. But I struggled mightily for the first ten or fifteen years. I have forgotten what that state of mind was like, though I did try everything and anything out of books, before TM, and I just didn't have the mental agility to apply a mantra innocently, and delicately, without direct instruction on how to do so, from a person. I don't recall Maharishi stressing that the mantras were all that special, but the technique of using them, very lightly, is. That is where the value-add comes in. Otherwise the mantra is like a hammer (or any other tool); hit my thumb with it, by mistake, or build a mansion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 08/12/2013 04:09 PM, mjackson74 wrote: Oh, Lordy how we do make up stuff! I never said TM brought me to that place. How do you know it wasn't the few years of PSM or the other things I dabbled with that did it instead of TM? I know that a lot of this crowd will believe absolutely that it was primarily TM that did it, and the other things were of little value. Experience wise it was just after being exposed to Eckhart Tolle's material that the experience of head to toe Pure Awareness kicked in and as I began to do what he suggests in the Power of Now to practice Presence is when it began to be a daily occurrence. I know you value Maharishi for a number of reasons and I won't argue with your feelings and point of view about him, I just don't happen to share it. I still have my doubts about TM because of the unstressing phenomenon, and the fact that that kind of unstressing doesn't seem to happen in other types of meditation techniques even in a retreat situation as Barry has pointed out a time or two. Oh indeed it does in other meditation programs. It is the shakti moving throughout the body and hitting blockages and pushing them away. It is actually a good thing. BUT, roughness is another thing and that is when unstressing isn't handled properly and that can happen in other programs too. And some of those other programs may be a little more proactive about roughness occurring including telling you to stop meditating for a while (which might be considered blasphemy in TM). Here's Muktananda zapping some people and some are experiencing some physical unstressing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhkjJi4lXHE Many folks walk away from TM because it failed to given them what they were looking for not necessarily in the area of experience but in the area of knowledge. Other paths had much more about yoga and even the way mantras work than TM. Also some people came to TM from other forms of meditation and may have had good experience due to those other techniques. It was just one more technique. Often these people move on too because they want to learn more stuff that cannot be offered by the TMO. Can the TMO make you an Acharya (high level yogi)? Nope, and there is doubt that Maharishi was even that level. If TM had remained inexpensive and simple then a lot of folks wouldn't have much of a problem with it. But charging for and giving out beej aksharas for meditation would seem a little weird in India. Most other paths give out something like the advanced technique as a starter mantra. It appears to me that beej aksharas were used just so there could be a many teachers because no special level of attainment is needed to teach them. In fact they can even work for people out of a book.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers
O Share!!! I found what a Captain Kirk is! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ErkeFA-QWk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ErkeFA-QWk --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: Share. Over population with dummies on one planet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0O7_3o3BrI and Over population with geniuses, somewhere out there on a planet far away with not much better to do but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxPeIiU2kx4 and who spend their time thinking of how to leave their genius planet to come back here and draw crop circles in corn and wheat fields, to bring the dummies a message because http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRfM9MAOpVU Well, wouldn't one think God would make it a bit easier by having us all near (Like on the same freakin planet) the same place at a similar time and place to work with each other, simultaneously, than to think the only mission was to multiply to become dumb or a genius in faraway places? So our mere existence is to meet somewhere in the middle (or in our case, they come and land with space ships ie; Nabby's world) and the evolution of people on different planets far away from here is such a waste of time? Selective breeding is the true answer. hmmm, Share, do you have any children and/or have you ever been in a long term relationship, say over 11 years with a partner? ;)(We can use more reason to build spaceships to come here. If you breed, I can send back word to gather our missions farming equipment, some extra boards, and rope all transported Captain Kirk style. Google translate from Alien to English speak only gives me Captain Kirk for option. What is a Captain Kirk?) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: What? Salyavin, I thought that was the definition of evolution, things getting better! But I guess one must take a quite humungous view of the whole situation. Meaning that even if earth is becoming overpopulated with dummies, somewhere in the universe a planet is being underpopulated by geniuses. And all that adds up to evolution. Is that a valid way to consider your statement: There is no reason why evolution should keep making things better. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 7:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: salyavin, I was glancing at title of your thread and then Dick May's thread and wondered...anyway, yes, average IQ is dropping over time, dropped 3 points since 1950, at least according to one researcher. Hope the table is accessible. Makes me question natural selection. http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/BRBAKER/ It's no surprise to me, I've seen Idiocracy. The less we have to do, the less that intelligence will be important enough to select for. Remember, things only get selected if they confer an advantage and all most people have to do is stumble to work and afterwards, flop in front of the TV eating cheeseburgers (making the occasional post to FFL along the way). As the blurb under the graph says, we tend to breed with people of similar intellect, so this trend will get cemented as a majority position. I think this has already happened in the UK (seriously) but I think we will end up like the Eloi and the Morlocks in The Time Machine, two human species but very different in the way they look and act. There is no reason why evolution should keep making things better. __ From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The data is in: Atheists are more intelligent than believers --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote: What is that country with the highest national IQ (~ 107) with fairly few (about 12%) atheists? South-Korea?? One two-second Google search away: http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-with-the-highest-lowest-average- Reply to senderààReply to groupààStart a New Topic Messages in this topic (6) Recent Activity: àààà* New Members 1ààVisit Your Group To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest ââ¬Â¢ Unsubscribe ââ¬Â¢ Terms of Use ââ¬Â¢ Send us Feedback . ÃÂ
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word
Agreed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Beautiful. Purely beautiful. Share, you have a friend. Emily is a good one. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Hi Share, I haven't left yet - I always back away to shift into pack mode and I am busy so this is all I will reply to. Share, in general, cutting is a self-harm technique used to release pain. I was referring to the fact that you are bleeding all over this forum and doing yourself harm and it is excruciatingly painful to watch/experience for me, but I am sensitive. So, just don't start cutting, O.K.? Share, you brought up the food topic but you tried to pretend you didn't, but saying you referred to it tangentially - tangentially counts Share. You know you have issues with food and I know you do too. Food is survival - don't punish yourself like this. I was bringing them back to your attention yesterday. I don't, but I have other issues - it's not too late to address the self-hate you feel Share. You must be queen bee Share and go after all the women here but yet, you let your king bee off the hook. Do you hate women Share? Look at the behavior of your bedfellow Share. Look how he treated you after the months you've spent suckling him? Does it even occur to you that *you* need to take a look at what it is inside *yourself* that draws you to this man? Take a day off - meditate - do some introspection - evaluate the complete disregard you have for yourself in how you conduct yourself. Give your poor tired, frantic brain a rest. Take a bath. Be kind to yourself. Write with purpose. Write full sentences. I care Share, but your relentless pain and demands of everyone is exhausting to participate in. Bye now, Emily --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Alex posted something and you said don't give Share any ideas. What was that referring to? From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word  Good one Share - now, please elaborate on my shadow side for me.  Everything I write I can back up Share - I don't take pot shots without being able to explain why I said what I did and am willing, if need be, to discuss it.  How about you?  Dig deep, woman, dig deep. Don't hold back.  I'll be back in September - giving you time to write at least a single paragraph. Enjoy the rest of August.  Emily.  From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word  If you truly look forward to hearing about my meals, Emily, then I suggest you immediately apply for a job at NSA. I think they're needing people with such tendencies. From: emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word  Share, I look forward to hearing about the details of every meal you partake in on your next vacation. And be sure to ask Steve about every meal he partook in during his latest trip. Revel in his sinfulness and keep the fantasy alive. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: more tee hee, just had organic, roasted almond butter with rainforest stevia for dessert, totally yummy, in my tummy, no need for toast and jam, nor even green eggs and ham! From: emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bhagavad Gita: In English Chapter 01 The fourth word àShare wants toast and jelly But fears for her belly She harbors self-hate And cries at her fate She must face her beast But prefers to unleash Her tirades of rhyme And continues in crime --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote: Dudy can't help herself so she reads, since more ammo she always needs, saving the world from dastardly deeds! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@
[FairfieldLife] Re: Give bad behavior your attention, and you encourage it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: One week after my initial reaction to hearing about the proposed Unlimited Posting Experiment, I think it's worthwhile reposting the prediction I made at the time. I have done exactly what I suggested when making it, and have ignored a certain group of people who I knew would abuse the privilege of posting more, neither replying to them or even mentioning them. This morning I added one more person to the list. If, after wading through 763 posts so far during the first 3.5 days of this experiment, you feel that my prediction was accurate, and might have been a bit prescient, I might suggest adopting a similar policy. Personally, I'm looking forward to this upcoming Post As Much As You Bloody Well Please experiment. What would happen, for example, if the people that the most vociferous TBs here love to hate just IGNORED THEIR SILLY ASSES COMPLETELY? WHAT would they find to write about? My bet is that they'd 1) develop new enemies, just to have someone to dump on, True. Barry finally came out of the closet and exposed the fact that he thinks his former friend Share is an attention-seeking idiot nut job. The Turd needs to gulp his own semen, for he did turn on Share, in a very mean way. Let the flow past his esophagus, direct to his tummy and try to imagine a womb, for he can breed no more. 2) spend a shitload of time backslapping and jerking each other off about how cool and important they are, True. But you do this ALL the time. and 3) not be able to think of terribly much new or creative or even interesting to discuss. True. Barry is still making the same predictions and ranting about the same subjects. I guess we'll see... And we did see. Well done, you are three for three...
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Rory corrected
Rory: Curtis, of course -- can tell with such utter certainty that my entire spiritual life has been phony. From another post: ...Now it appears you may somewhat agree with Curtis, who saw me as a Neurolinguistic-programming, form-running charlatan. Me: I wanted to drop in to comment on the idea that I think of Rory as a phony or a charlatan. I do not. My view of people who have the kind of experiences that Rory has shared is more nuanced than that. My current perspective involves how our brains communicate within itself, and how some wires get crossed (think synesthesia between senses as an example, hearing colors). My current belief is that this can result in experiencing subjective experiences as if they are as as compelling as our external reality. I am not making a case for this being a defect, because it can be a source for profound creativity. So let's take Rory as charlatan off my table. I believe he is sincere from the limited contact I have had with him. But, just as with Maharishi, that doesn't mean that I hold his epistemological conclusions as valid. I do not. My question is about how we deal with this kind of subjective knowledge. I am skeptical that it provides an insight into reality that bypasses any of our other methods of verification of ideas which may or may not include the methods of science. I rate all our subjective experiences the same as any other hypothesis that needs further study taking into account the human tendency to conflate our enthusiasm for an idea for the likelihood that it is true. We all suck at this as a natural tendency, myself included. As for the language form used, my point concerned the use of language that is coming from a trance state and is meant to shift the state of the listener from sensory based to internal connections based. This is how poetry and hypnosis works. I consider my ability to ride this wave and to generate these waves of language myself to be at the center of my creative ability with language, so it is not a negative on its face. The problems I see comes when we confuse this kind of language with the style we use to convey concrete meaning. That causes problems when the person using this language form claims to be telling us about how reality really is. (I'm looking at you immolated Maharishi.) This type of language was described by Grinder and Bandler the founders of NLP when they did their modeling of the hypnotherapist Milton Erickson and their perspective has influenced my own about how this language form works. The rest comes from my own experiences teaching TM and then doing NLP therapy for people after leaving TM as well as an analysis of my own creative songwriting process. So what is the difference between when Bob Dylan does this and when a spiritual teacher does it? When you ask Bob Dylan what it means he says, I don't know, that is up to you. Figurative language is a launching pad for internal abstract thought. When you ask a spiritual master what he means he might tell you that when you are in his state of consciousness you will fully understand. I reject the many imbedded premises in this statement. Would Rory answer this way? I don't know, I forget most of what I read from him when we were interacting here. My view of spiritual experiences is an evolving one as I gather more data on how our brains function. Most of what I remember about Rory is that he uses a style of reframing language as a type of verbal jiu jitsu. By this I mean when people attack him he refers to them as a part of himself attacking himself. Although I don't doubt this emerges from his internal experiences, it is also embedded in a philosophy and web of beliefs about the world that I do not share. I think it is a really good linguistic coping strategy for the projectile attacks that this place is full of. It works on many different levels for him. So why the drive by today? Because I like Rory and don't want to let an impression remain that I think of him in such a negative way. If he expressed it all as art rather than philosophy I would just appreciate him as I do the rest of my wacky artistic buddies. He is a really creative guy and I value that. But when it is expressed as philosophy I like to show where I am drawing my lines to distinguish my beliefs from his or anyone else who expresses a spiritual POV. I don't share the confidence spiritual people do in their assumptions or conclusions and enjoy expressing my evolving POV. (Or at least I used to here.) Another big plus in my mind about Rory is that he values rapport here as I do. I remember our interactions very positively. He came off as willing to interact with someone skeptical about his conclusions about his own experiences. Maharishi certainly was never open to that kind of dialogue and interaction. So respect Rory. You are interpreting your experiences in life just as I do. I may not share your conclusions, nor you
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Message To Share
The 'mean girls' trying to 'get' you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion... So if the mean girls wanted to stop trying to get Share and exercise compassion toward her instead, we should strive to emulate Barry, as he has modeled compassion for us in this SHUT THE FUCK UP post to Share. Did I get that right, Barry? We mean girls are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, whereas you are an exemplar thereof? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: SHUT THE FUCK UP We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they are as they chase you endlessly like a dog chases a ball. The mean girls trying to get you are an embarrassment to the notion of humans having compassion, but you're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. They're doing this because they have no choice; they're the dogs in this scenario: [https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1002189_1015\ 1783564220211_2025423059_n.jpg] You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for the Pesticides, America!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Life doesn't work like that, Nabby. Again, you've sealed yourself inside a little box you can't get out of, all because you can't bring yourself to admit a mistake. It wasn't even a very *important* mistake. You could have just admitted it when I first pointed it out, and that would have been that. Probably nobody but me would have noticed. The longer you refuse to admit what's obviously true, the harder it will become to do so. I guess it's impossible for someone who in her own eyes are impeccable to admit having made false accusations. You continue to do so by keep making the same claims over and over again. If this has any value at all for other readers it will be that more persons than myself see that the Judy is not the Queen of Impeccability we thought she was.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Rory corrected
Hey, Curtis! Long time! I have been refraining from reading FFL to rest, recuperate, and assimilate, but a friend gave me a heads-up that you had uncloaked with a message that he felt I should read, and a link to it, I just read it and must say I greatly appreciate your clarification -- and no apology needed, my friend. Thank you so much. Yes, to me, rapport is what it's all about, if at all possible. But I have perhaps gotten rather soft from being here in Fairfield, where love is tangibly everywhere. Well, that and not enough exercise, of course. See you around sometime, I hope! All glory to Guru You! ;-) *L*L*L* R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Rory: Curtis, of course -- can tell with such utter certainty that my entire spiritual life has been phony. From another post: ...Now it appears you may somewhat agree with Curtis, who saw me as a Neurolinguistic-programming, form-running charlatan. Me: I wanted to drop in to comment on the idea that I think of Rory as a phony or a charlatan. I do not. My view of people who have the kind of experiences that Rory has shared is more nuanced than that. My current perspective involves how our brains communicate within itself, and how some wires get crossed (think synesthesia between senses as an example, hearing colors). My current belief is that this can result in experiencing subjective experiences as if they are as as compelling as our external reality. I am not making a case for this being a defect, because it can be a source for profound creativity. So let's take Rory as charlatan off my table. I believe he is sincere from the limited contact I have had with him. But, just as with Maharishi, that doesn't mean that I hold his epistemological conclusions as valid. I do not. My question is about how we deal with this kind of subjective knowledge. I am skeptical that it provides an insight into reality that bypasses any of our other methods of verification of ideas which may or may not include the methods of science. I rate all our subjective experiences the same as any other hypothesis that needs further study taking into account the human tendency to conflate our enthusiasm for an idea for the likelihood that it is true. We all suck at this as a natural tendency, myself included. As for the language form used, my point concerned the use of language that is coming from a trance state and is meant to shift the state of the listener from sensory based to internal connections based. This is how poetry and hypnosis works. I consider my ability to ride this wave and to generate these waves of language myself to be at the center of my creative ability with language, so it is not a negative on its face. The problems I see comes when we confuse this kind of language with the style we use to convey concrete meaning. That causes problems when the person using this language form claims to be telling us about how reality really is. (I'm looking at you immolated Maharishi.) This type of language was described by Grinder and Bandler the founders of NLP when they did their modeling of the hypnotherapist Milton Erickson and their perspective has influenced my own about how this language form works. The rest comes from my own experiences teaching TM and then doing NLP therapy for people after leaving TM as well as an analysis of my own creative songwriting process. So what is the difference between when Bob Dylan does this and when a spiritual teacher does it? When you ask Bob Dylan what it means he says, I don't know, that is up to you. Figurative language is a launching pad for internal abstract thought. When you ask a spiritual master what he means he might tell you that when you are in his state of consciousness you will fully understand. I reject the many imbedded premises in this statement. Would Rory answer this way? I don't know, I forget most of what I read from him when we were interacting here. My view of spiritual experiences is an evolving one as I gather more data on how our brains function. Most of what I remember about Rory is that he uses a style of reframing language as a type of verbal jiu jitsu. By this I mean when people attack him he refers to them as a part of himself attacking himself. Although I don't doubt this emerges from his internal experiences, it is also embedded in a philosophy and web of beliefs about the world that I do not share. I think it is a really good linguistic coping strategy for the projectile attacks that this place is full of. It works on many different levels for him. So why the drive by today? Because I like Rory and don't want to let an impression remain that I think of him in such a negative way. If he expressed it all as art rather than philosophy I would just appreciate him as I do the rest of my wacky artistic buddies. He is
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Rory corrected
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Rory: Curtis, of course -- can tell with such utter certainty that my entire spiritual life has been phony. From another post: ...Now it appears you may somewhat agree with Curtis, who saw me as a Neurolinguistic-programming, form-running charlatan. Me: I wanted to drop in to comment on the idea that I think of Rory as a phony or a charlatan. I do not. My view of people who have the kind of experiences that Rory has shared is more nuanced than that. So you might not agree that the response following this quote from Rory accurately represents your views? If I make a specific appointment with someone to work with them privately, real-time, in person or by phone, then no, not any more; I am sorry! For those who are in Fairfield, I set aside most afternoons to play Bananagrams and to talk with people, and I am generally available then for free if anyone wishes to speak with me there. And we can correspond by email and facebook for free. That must be where you perfected what Curtis called your Neuro-Linguistic Programming robot- speak. Having now experienced it, I cannot help but agree with his description. :-) And then later you say: Another big plus in my mind about Rory is that he values rapport here as I do. I remember our interactions very positively. He came off as willing to interact with someone skeptical about his conclusions about his own experiences. Maharishi certainly was never open to that kind of dialogue and interaction. What about this quote, especially the last two lines? Some people seem to like that sorta thing, especially those who are searching for some guru to Beam me up, Scotty. I don't care for it much, and tend to prefer people who don't speak according to preset formulas. I am NOT suggesting that you *consciously* speak/write this way, BTW, just that you've been doing it so long that you speak/write that way out of habit. Curtis and I have had many offline discussions about this kind of spiritual schtick, and I've learned a lot from his studies of Neuro-Linguistic Programming. But the bottom line is that neither of us sees much benefit in interfacing with a 'bot any more.
[FairfieldLife] Universe gets heavier but not bigger?
It all started with a bang, but the universe may not be expanding after all Theoretical physicist Christof Wetterich publishes paper 'a Universe without expansion' A theoretical physicist looks set to disrupt textbook concepts of cosmology, after producing a paper outlining his theory that the universe is not expanding after all. The most widely accepted theory of the universe centres on the notion that the world started with a big bang, and has been expanding ever since. But Christof Wetterich, a theoretical physicist at the university of Heidelberg, has produced a paper theorising that the universe is not expanding, but the mass of all of its particles are instead increasing. His theory could potentially help examine the more problematic aspects of the big bang theory, such as the `singularity' present during the big bang. In his paper: A Universe Without Expansion, Wettrich discusses a cosmological model where the universe shrinks rather than expands during the radiation and matter dominated periods. His paper was published on the arXiv preprint server http://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6878/ . In his abstract, he writes: Only dimensionless ratios as the distance between galaxies divided by the atom radius are observable. The cosmological increase of this ratio can also be attributed to shrinking atoms. In the 1920s, astronomers such as Georges Lemaitre and Edwin Hubble analysed the light emitted or absorbed by atoms, which appeared in a spectrum of characteristic colours, or frequencies. When matter moved away, they discovered that galaxies exhibited a shift to the red, lower frequency part of the spectrum. After observing that most galaxies exhibit a red shift that became greater for more distant galaxies, they theorised that the universe was expanding. However, Wetterich highlights that this light emitted by atoms is also determined by masses of the elementary particles, and in particular, their electrons. If the mass of an atom increases, it emits more energetic photons. If the particles were to become lighter, frequencies would become redshifted. Writing in Nature News, Jon Cartwright explains: Because the speed of light is finite, when we look at distant galaxies we are looking backwards in time seeing them as they would have been when they emitted the light that we observe. If all masses were once lower, and had been constantly increasing, the colours of old galaxies would look redshifted in comparison to current frequencies, and the amount of redshift would be proportionate to their distances from Earth. Thus, the redshift would make galaxies seem to be receding even if they were not. For Wetterich, the universe still expands rapidly during a temporary period called inflation, but before this inflation, the big bang no longer contains a `singularity' where the density of the universe would be infinite. Instead, Cartwright continues, the big bang stretches out in the past over an essentially infinite period of time. The current cosmos could be static or even beginning to contract, he adds. Wetterich's paper has not yet been peer reviewed but has been received with both interest and scepticism by other cosmologists in the field. I think it's fascinating to explore this alternative representation, Hongsheng Zhao, a cosmologist at the University of St Andrews toldNature News. His treatment seems rigorous enough to be entertained. However, Niayesh Afshordi, an astrophysicist at the Perimeter Institute in Waterloo, Canada told the journal he remained to be convinced about the advantage, or novelty, of this picture. Unfortunately, the plausibility of this concept is currently impossible to test, but Wetterich argues it could be a useful concept to use when considering different cosmological models. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/it-all-started-with-a-bang-but\ -the-universe-may-not-be-expanding-after-all-8759893.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/it-all-started-with-a-bang-bu\ t-the-universe-may-not-be-expanding-after-all-8759893.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Clarify
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Yes, Maharishi always said as much - his wasn't a new technique, simply a rediscovery. So, perhaps such knowledge has always existed, somewhere, but I sure didn't know about it, until Maharishi unveiled TM for the West. I don't know anything about the science of mantras, except for my personal experience, so I'll take your word for it. I do understand that the vibration must be a sympathetic one for the physiology, but other than that, it is Greek to me. Anyway, Bhairitu choose not to mention your point that how to use the mantra is as important as the mantras themselves, nor that learning them from a book will not yield results (my claim). Of course some of our mantras are well known in India. But they didn't know how to use them properly which explain why India has been in such a mess.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for the Pesticides, America!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: [I wrote:] Life doesn't work like that, Nabby. Again, you've sealed yourself inside a little box you can't get out of, all because you can't bring yourself to admit a mistake. It wasn't even a very *important* mistake. You could have just admitted it when I first pointed it out, and that would have been that. Probably nobody but me would have noticed. The longer you refuse to admit what's obviously true, the harder it will become to do so. I guess it's impossible for someone who in her own eyes are impeccable to admit having made false accusations. You continue to do so by keep making the same claims over and over again. No, because everything I've said about this has been true and documented. You, in stark contrast, cannot offer any evidence for your claims, because they're flat-out false. And you know it. If this has any value at all for other readers it will be that more persons than myself see that the Judy is not the Queen of Impeccability we thought she was. I'm not the Queen of anything, but as you know, Nabby, I don't lie and haven't in this case. No, you have been the one telling the falsehoods, as anyone who checks out our respective claims will discover. I know you're very anxious to get this off your back without having to make that admission, but the only way that's gonna happen is if you give me the last word. Understand?
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Rory corrected
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Rory: Curtis, of course -- can tell with such utter certainty that my entire spiritual life has been phony. From another post: ...Now it appears you may somewhat agree with Curtis, who saw me as a Neurolinguistic-programming, form-running charlatan. Me: I wanted to drop in to comment on the idea that I think of Rory as a phony or a charlatan. I do not. My view of people who have the kind of experiences that Rory has shared is more nuanced than that. So you might not agree that the response following this quote from Rory accurately represents your views? If I make a specific appointment with someone to work with them privately, real-time, in person or by phone, then no, not any more; I am sorry! For those who are in Fairfield, I set aside most afternoons to play Bananagrams and to talk with people, and I am generally available then for free if anyone wishes to speak with me there. And we can correspond by email and facebook for free. That must be where you perfected what Curtis called your Neuro-Linguistic Programming robot- speak. Having now experienced it, I cannot help but agree with his description. :-) And then later you say: Another big plus in my mind about Rory is that he values rapport here as I do. I remember our interactions very positively. He came off as willing to interact with someone skeptical about his conclusions about his own experiences. Maharishi certainly was never open to that kind of dialogue and interaction. What about this quote, especially the last two lines? Some people seem to like that sorta thing, especially those who are searching for some guru to Beam me up, Scotty. I don't care for it much, and tend to prefer people who don't speak according to preset formulas. I am NOT suggesting that you *consciously* speak/write this way, BTW, just that you've been doing it so long that you speak/write that way out of habit. Curtis and I have had many offline discussions about this kind of spiritual schtick, and I've learned a lot from his studies of Neuro-Linguistic Programming. But the bottom line is that neither of us sees much benefit in interfacing with a 'bot any more. (These two paragraphs are not from a post of Curtis's. Sorry if anyone was confused.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Rory corrected
Back atchya Rory. You are in the right place in FF. Even on the coldest Winter day it is warmer than on FFL! Thanks to your friend for giving you the heads up on my post. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: Hey, Curtis! Long time! I have been refraining from reading FFL to rest, recuperate, and assimilate, but a friend gave me a heads-up that you had uncloaked with a message that he felt I should read, and a link to it, I just read it and must say I greatly appreciate your clarification -- and no apology needed, my friend. Thank you so much. Yes, to me, rapport is what it's all about, if at all possible. But I have perhaps gotten rather soft from being here in Fairfield, where love is tangibly everywhere. Well, that and not enough exercise, of course. See you around sometime, I hope! All glory to Guru You! ;-) *L*L*L* R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Rory: Curtis, of course -- can tell with such utter certainty that my entire spiritual life has been phony. From another post: ...Now it appears you may somewhat agree with Curtis, who saw me as a Neurolinguistic-programming, form-running charlatan. Me: I wanted to drop in to comment on the idea that I think of Rory as a phony or a charlatan. I do not. My view of people who have the kind of experiences that Rory has shared is more nuanced than that. My current perspective involves how our brains communicate within itself, and how some wires get crossed (think synesthesia between senses as an example, hearing colors). My current belief is that this can result in experiencing subjective experiences as if they are as as compelling as our external reality. I am not making a case for this being a defect, because it can be a source for profound creativity. So let's take Rory as charlatan off my table. I believe he is sincere from the limited contact I have had with him. But, just as with Maharishi, that doesn't mean that I hold his epistemological conclusions as valid. I do not. My question is about how we deal with this kind of subjective knowledge. I am skeptical that it provides an insight into reality that bypasses any of our other methods of verification of ideas which may or may not include the methods of science. I rate all our subjective experiences the same as any other hypothesis that needs further study taking into account the human tendency to conflate our enthusiasm for an idea for the likelihood that it is true. We all suck at this as a natural tendency, myself included. As for the language form used, my point concerned the use of language that is coming from a trance state and is meant to shift the state of the listener from sensory based to internal connections based. This is how poetry and hypnosis works. I consider my ability to ride this wave and to generate these waves of language myself to be at the center of my creative ability with language, so it is not a negative on its face. The problems I see comes when we confuse this kind of language with the style we use to convey concrete meaning. That causes problems when the person using this language form claims to be telling us about how reality really is. (I'm looking at you immolated Maharishi.) This type of language was described by Grinder and Bandler the founders of NLP when they did their modeling of the hypnotherapist Milton Erickson and their perspective has influenced my own about how this language form works. The rest comes from my own experiences teaching TM and then doing NLP therapy for people after leaving TM as well as an analysis of my own creative songwriting process. So what is the difference between when Bob Dylan does this and when a spiritual teacher does it? When you ask Bob Dylan what it means he says, I don't know, that is up to you. Figurative language is a launching pad for internal abstract thought. When you ask a spiritual master what he means he might tell you that when you are in his state of consciousness you will fully understand. I reject the many imbedded premises in this statement. Would Rory answer this way? I don't know, I forget most of what I read from him when we were interacting here. My view of spiritual experiences is an evolving one as I gather more data on how our brains function. Most of what I remember about Rory is that he uses a style of reframing language as a type of verbal jiu jitsu. By this I mean when people attack him he refers to them as a part of himself attacking himself. Although I don't doubt this emerges from his internal experiences, it is also embedded in a philosophy and web of beliefs about the world that I do not share. I think it is a really good linguistic coping strategy for the projectile attacks that this
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Rory corrected
Ah the incredible, intoxicating blend of Rory and Curtis's wisdom and brilliance. It's all about the rapport - you hear you FFL bitches, it's all about rapport, it's all about the feel good factor - come on let's start this from today - Barry, Share, Ravi, Mean girls - you listening? To hell with truth - welcome dishonesty, hypocrisy, all kinds of mood-making masking religious delusional beliefs, fuck authenticity, genuineness. Dawn of a new era on FFL? On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:01 AM, RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hey, Curtis! Long time! I have been refraining from reading FFL to rest, recuperate, and assimilate, but a friend gave me a heads-up that you had uncloaked with a message that he felt I should read, and a link to it, I just read it and must say I greatly appreciate your clarification -- and no apology needed, my friend. Thank you so much. Yes, to me, rapport is what it's all about, if at all possible. But I have perhaps gotten rather soft from being here in Fairfield, where love is tangibly everywhere. Well, that and not enough exercise, of course. See you around sometime, I hope! All glory to Guru You! ;-) *L*L*L* R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Rory: Curtis, of course -- can tell with such utter certainty that my entire spiritual life has been phony. From another post: ...Now it appears you may somewhat agree with Curtis, who saw me as a Neurolinguistic-programming, form-running charlatan. Me: I wanted to drop in to comment on the idea that I think of Rory as a phony or a charlatan. I do not. My view of people who have the kind of experiences that Rory has shared is more nuanced than that. My current perspective involves how our brains communicate within itself, and how some wires get crossed (think synesthesia between senses as an example, hearing colors). My current belief is that this can result in experiencing subjective experiences as if they are as as compelling as our external reality. I am not making a case for this being a defect, because it can be a source for profound creativity. So let's take Rory as charlatan off my table. I believe he is sincere from the limited contact I have had with him. But, just as with Maharishi, that doesn't mean that I hold his epistemological conclusions as valid. I do not. My question is about how we deal with this kind of subjective knowledge. I am skeptical that it provides an insight into reality that bypasses any of our other methods of verification of ideas which may or may not include the methods of science. I rate all our subjective experiences the same as any other hypothesis that needs further study taking into account the human tendency to conflate our enthusiasm for an idea for the likelihood that it is true. We all suck at this as a natural tendency, myself included. As for the language form used, my point concerned the use of language that is coming from a trance state and is meant to shift the state of the listener from sensory based to internal connections based. This is how poetry and hypnosis works. I consider my ability to ride this wave and to generate these waves of language myself to be at the center of my creative ability with language, so it is not a negative on its face. The problems I see comes when we confuse this kind of language with the style we use to convey concrete meaning. That causes problems when the person using this language form claims to be telling us about how reality really is. (I'm looking at you immolated Maharishi.) This type of language was described by Grinder and Bandler the founders of NLP when they did their modeling of the hypnotherapist Milton Erickson and their perspective has influenced my own about how this language form works. The rest comes from my own experiences teaching TM and then doing NLP therapy for people after leaving TM as well as an analysis of my own creative songwriting process. So what is the difference between when Bob Dylan does this and when a spiritual teacher does it? When you ask Bob Dylan what it means he says, I don't know, that is up to you. Figurative language is a launching pad for internal abstract thought. When you ask a spiritual master what he means he might tell you that when you are in his state of consciousness you will fully understand. I reject the many imbedded premises in this statement. Would Rory answer this way? I don't know, I forget most of what I read from him when we were interacting here. My view of spiritual experiences is an evolving one as I gather more data on how our brains function. Most of what I remember about Rory is that he uses a style of reframing language as a type of verbal jiu jitsu. By this I mean when people attack him he refers to them as a part of himself attacking himself. Although I don't doubt this emerges from his internal experiences, it is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Clarify
There was an era in India sometime around 300-600 AD where tantra was very popular and ordinary people would practice it. So in a way it was sort of lost knowledge though there were still some people down through the centuries practicing it. I would say you are correct about the sympathetic vibration and that is enumerated somewhat in Nada Yoga which is the science of sound. This stuff about deities was just some personification of the effects so that simple people could understand it. My tantra guru thought it was trial and error not that someone magically cognized the mantras. The TM method of teaching is like the scripts that technical support people have for support calls. IOW, many gurus probably taught about the same thing in a less refined procedure because their aspirants didn't need a whole lot of help from simple instructions. The TM process grew and came out of what people from the masses didn't understand about much simpler instructions. Someone familiar with the simpler process might be a little annoyed with the more mechanically way that TM is taught. It might be like you or me, tech people, calling a tech support and having them give you instructions like we're dummies. :-D On 08/13/2013 09:59 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Yes, Maharishi always said as much - his wasn't a new technique, simply a rediscovery. So, perhaps such knowledge has always existed, somewhere, but I sure didn't know about it, until Maharishi unveiled TM for the West. I don't know anything about the science of mantras, except for my personal experience, so I'll take your word for it. I do understand that the vibration must be a sympathetic one for the physiology, but other than that, it is Greek to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: As I've pointed out many times even the process of practicing TM is ALSO not unique and published long before Maharishi even started teaching TM. In India people use the beej mantras for a number of things. Also astrologers and ayurvedic practitioners give them out for temporary use. Even the longer mantras will work out of a book for SOME people but for other may remain flat. The trick is indeed the appropriate mantra. You wouldn't want to give someone who is vata the beej mantra Hoom because it would just make them even more vata. On 08/13/2013 05:47 AM, doctordumbass@... wrote: In fact [beej mantras] can even work for people out of a book. I seriously doubt this. I have been doing TM long enough that taking the mantra innocently and not attempting to control my experience, seems like second nature now. But I struggled mightily for the first ten or fifteen years. I have forgotten what that state of mind was like, though I did try everything and anything out of books, before TM, and I just didn't have the mental agility to apply a mantra innocently, and delicately, without direct instruction on how to do so, from a person. I don't recall Maharishi stressing that the mantras were all that special, but the technique of using them, very lightly, is. That is where the value-add comes in. Otherwise the mantra is like a hammer (or any other tool); hit my thumb with it, by mistake, or build a mansion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 08/12/2013 04:09 PM, mjackson74 wrote: Oh, Lordy how we do make up stuff! I never said TM brought me to that place. How do you know it wasn't the few years of PSM or the other things I dabbled with that did it instead of TM? I know that a lot of this crowd will believe absolutely that it was primarily TM that did it, and the other things were of little value. Experience wise it was just after being exposed to Eckhart Tolle's material that the experience of head to toe Pure Awareness kicked in and as I began to do what he suggests in the Power of Now to practice Presence is when it began to be a daily occurrence. I know you value Maharishi for a number of reasons and I won't argue with your feelings and point of view about him, I just don't happen to share it. I still have my doubts about TM because of the unstressing phenomenon, and the fact that that kind of unstressing doesn't seem to happen in other types of meditation techniques even in a retreat situation as Barry has pointed out a time or two. Oh indeed it does in other meditation programs. It is the shakti moving throughout the body and hitting blockages and pushing them away. It is actually a good thing. BUT, roughness is another thing and that is when unstressing isn't handled properly and that can happen in other programs too. And some of those other programs may be a little more proactive about roughness occurring including telling you to stop meditating for a while (which might be considered blasphemy in TM). Here's Muktananda zapping some people and some are experiencing some physical
[FairfieldLife] Re: Universe gets heavier but not bigger?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: (snip) If all masses were once lower, and had been constantly increasing, the colours of old galaxies would look redshifted in comparison to current frequencies, and the amount of redshift would be proportionate to their distances from Earth. Thus, the redshift would make galaxies seem to be receding even if they were not. I swear to God, I have *always* thought there was something fishy about the idea that the red shift indicated galaxies were receding. Without knowing even remotely enough about it to argue the point, I hasten to add. It just seemed intuitively wrong. So I hope this guy is right!
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Rory corrected
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Rory: Curtis, of course -- can tell with such utter certainty that my entire spiritual life has been phony. From another post: ...Now it appears you may somewhat agree with Curtis, who saw me as a Neurolinguistic-programming, form-running charlatan. Me: I wanted to drop in to comment on the idea that I think of Rory as a phony or a charlatan. I do not. My view of people who have the kind of experiences that Rory has shared is more nuanced than that. As is mine. Thank you for checking in, and correcting me if I have misrepresented you or your position in any way. When I spoke of 'bot-like behavior, or the use of spiritual teacher schtick, I did not mean to suggest that this is conscious. I think I even said this at one point. My current perspective involves how our brains communicate within itself, and how some wires get crossed (think synesthesia between senses as an example, hearing colors). My current belief is that this can result in experiencing subjective experiences as if they are as as compelling as our external reality. And seemingly as real. I am not making a case for this being a defect, because it can be a source for profound creativity. So let's take Rory as charlatan off my table. I believe he is sincere from the limited contact I have had with him. As do I. I believe that the answers he gave to me in our short exchange were spontaneous, not crafted or thought through, as if they represented some kind of strategy, and heartfelt. I think he believed every- thing he was saying. But you can believe that and, IMO, still be delivering schtick. But, just as with Maharishi, that doesn't mean that I hold his epistemological conclusions as valid. I do not. My question is about how we deal with this kind of subjective knowledge. I am skeptical that it provides an insight into reality that bypasses any of our other methods of verification of ideas which may or may not include the methods of science. I rate all our subjective experiences the same as any other hypothesis that needs further study taking into account the human tendency to conflate our enthusiasm for an idea for the likelihood that it is true. Damn well said. I've missed that clarity here. We all suck at this as a natural tendency, myself included. Add moi to that list. The game, as I see it, is becoming more and more aware of our natural tendency to self- deceive, and trying not to do it as much. As for the language form used, my point concerned the use of language that is coming from a trance state and is meant to shift the state of the listener from sensory based to internal connections based. Exactly. This is how poetry and hypnosis works. Not to mention music, and the bardic tradition. I consider my ability to ride this wave and to generate these waves of language myself to be at the center of my creative ability with language, so it is not a negative on its face. The problems I see comes when we confuse this kind of language with the style we use to convey concrete meaning. That causes problems when the person using this language form claims to be telling us about how reality really is. (I'm looking at you immolated Maharishi.) It certainly describes Fred Lenz well. That was his whole schtick. And to echo your sentiments about this not necessarily being a negative, shifting people's attention with words (and possibly some Woo Woo under- lying the words) was his *art form*. And he was WAY good at it. He could take an audience of newbs who walked in off the street and have them walk out of the talk in as shifted a state of attention as if they'd dropped acid. But as you say, having *experienced* this, listening to the person running this form, are you more likely or less likely to *believe* him when he starts claim- ing to know what reality is? Most people are more likely to do this. This type of language was described by Grinder and Bandler the founders of NLP when they did their modeling of the hypnotherapist Milton Erickson and their perspective has influenced my own about how this language form works. The rest comes from my own experiences teaching TM and then doing NLP therapy for people after leaving TM as well as an analysis of my own creative songwriting process. So what is the difference between when Bob Dylan does this and when a spiritual teacher does it? When you ask Bob Dylan what it means he says, I don't know, that is up to you. Figurative language is a launching pad for internal abstract thought. When you ask a spiritual master what he means he might tell you that when you are in his state of consciousness you will fully understand. I reject the many imbedded premises in this statement. Would Rory answer this way? I don't know, I forget most of what I read from him when we were
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for the Pesticides, America!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: [I wrote:] Life doesn't work like that, Nabby. Again, you've sealed yourself inside a little box you can't get out of, all because you can't bring yourself to admit a mistake. It wasn't even a very *important* mistake. You could have just admitted it when I first pointed it out, and that would have been that. Probably nobody but me would have noticed. The longer you refuse to admit what's obviously true, the harder it will become to do so. I guess it's impossible for someone who in her own eyes are impeccable to admit having made false accusations. You continue to do so by keep making the same claims over and over again. No, because everything I've said about this has been true and documented. No is isn't. You, in stark contrast, cannot offer any evidence for your claims, because they're flat-out false. And you know it. You haven't shown any evidence of me answering your last post. That's a fact, one that probably has dawn on you long ago. If this has any value at all for other readers it will be that more persons than myself see that the Judy is not the Queen of Impeccability we thought she was. I'm not the Queen of anything, but as you know, Nabby, I don't lie and haven't in this case. Yes you have. No, you have been the one telling the falsehoods, as anyone who checks out our respective claims will discover. I know you're very anxious to get this off your back without having to make that admission, I'm not, I couldn't care less. But my pitta gets aggravated when seeing someone lying through her teeth while trying to get away with it. but the only way that's gonna happen is if you give me the last word. Understand? So it's all about Judy getting the last word ? Well I have news for you; you want have it because in this case you don't deserve it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Give bad behavior your attention, and you encourage it
Most of the posts on FFL are just chatter. That's why I thought the chat room would have been popular for that. And some of these folks might like Twitter better. ;-) Even though limited the web site has different display options to make it easy to skip over chatter topics. On 08/13/2013 09:55 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Quite frankly, it is exceptionally easy to flip through messages here on the Web, too. Not rocket science. Each has a name and title. For a person with English as a first language, I don't see the issue. I also find it peculiar that the other Barry makes such a big deal discerning what is readable, or not, here. I mean, this is a guy who tracks posts on spreadsheets. I should think that combing through a couple thousand posts a week, would be child's play to such an obsessive fellow like him. Can you say, Control Freak? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore entire topics on email. No need to wade. Like I've said before the way FFL behaves it would be better on a forum where you could have sections of topics including a General Topic Anything Goes one. I'm glad I don't read FFL via the web site except to look it over occasionally on my Android phone just to see where the babble is going. ;-) On 08/13/2013 03:09 AM, turquoiseb wrote: One week after my initial reaction to hearing about the proposed Unlimited Posting Experiment, I think it's worthwhile reposting the prediction I made at the time. I have done exactly what I suggested when making it, and have ignored a certain group of people who I knew would abuse the privilege of posting more, neither replying to them or even mentioning them. This morning I added one more person to the list. If, after wading through 763 posts so far during the first 3.5 days of this experiment, you feel that my prediction was accurate, and might have been a bit prescient, I might suggest adopting a similar policy. Personally, I'm looking forward to this upcoming Post As Much As You Bloody Well Please experiment. What would happen, for example, if the people that the most vociferous TBs here love to hate just IGNORED THEIR SILLY ASSES COMPLETELY? WHAT would they find to write about? My bet is that they'd 1) develop new enemies, just to have someone to dump on, 2) spend a shitload of time backslapping and jerking each other off about how cool and important they are, and 3) not be able to think of terribly much new or creative or even interesting to discuss. I guess we'll see...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for the Pesticides, America!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: [I wrote:] Life doesn't work like that, Nabby. Again, you've sealed yourself inside a little box you can't get out of, all because you can't bring yourself to admit a mistake. It wasn't even a very *important* mistake. You could have just admitted it when I first pointed it out, and that would have been that. Probably nobody but me would have noticed. The longer you refuse to admit what's obviously true, the harder it will become to do so. I guess it's impossible for someone who in her own eyes are impeccable to admit having made false accusations. You continue to do so by keep making the same claims over and over again. No, because everything I've said about this has been true and documented. No is isn't. Yes, it is. You, in stark contrast, cannot offer any evidence for your claims, because they're flat-out false. And you know it. You haven't shown any evidence of me answering your last post. That's a fact, one that probably has dawn on you long ago. I linked to both my last post and your answer to it about four or five rounds ago, Nabby, as you well know. If this has any value at all for other readers it will be that more persons than myself see that the Judy is not the Queen of Impeccability we thought she was. I'm not the Queen of anything, but as you know, Nabby, I don't lie and haven't in this case. Yes you have. No, I have not. You have. No, you have been the one telling the falsehoods, as anyone who checks out our respective claims will discover. I know you're very anxious to get this off your back without having to make that admission, I'm not, I couldn't care less. But my pitta gets aggravated when seeing someone lying through her teeth while trying to get away with it. Except that isn't what you're seeing. You're seeing somebody refusing to let you get away with your accusation that *they* are lying when, as you know, it's you. but the only way that's gonna happen is if you give me the last word. Understand? So it's all about Judy getting the last word ? In this case it is. I do not let accusations that I am dishonest stand. Well I have news for you; you want have it because in this case you don't deserve it. You don't have any choice.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And one more for Share - Cute Pics of Babies - Hush Little Baby - Lullaby
Thank you all, trying to catch up. Had to do laundry which means a trip to laundromat which is only a block a way but still... From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And one more for Share - Cute Pics of Babies - Hush Little Baby - Lullaby Another good sleep, rest, be comfortable with yourself song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_D0i7UC9UY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: More love being sent yer way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9MncdJ_lOs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3-RVtD54PA
