date:20130920

Facebook obviously did the same thing:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/18/4744904/how-facebook-secretly-redesign\
ed-its-iphone-app-with-your-help
 
http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/18/4744904/how-facebook-secretly-redesig\
ned-its-iphone-app-with-your-help
Interestingly, however, it was a more challenging task for them to do so
than Yahoo faced. A Web app like Yahoo Groups lives on the server, and
all you have to do to change it for users is update the code on the
server side; all clients will then see the new changes. If you want to
roll out test versions of a new look like Neo, you can just choose to
deploy this from *some* of your servers, but not all of them. That gives
you a demographic test audience, in that you'll be able to sort the
positive and negative feedback you get from users geographically to
watch only the people who auto-connect to that particular server, and
thus get the test release. This actually explains how I'm still seeing
the old interface in France, whereas many if not most people in the US
are now seeing Neo. On the rare occasions when I *do* get Neo, it's
obviously an old, early, and *very* buggy version; what I see does not
even have Reply or New Topic buttons. It's read only.

Facebook had a harder challenge, because the code that drives the
interface is local and native (as opposed to HTML5), and lives on the
client device. So to test various configurations of their new look,
they had to roll out a stealth version that they could configure
remotely to create isolated test audiences and then measure their
feedback. Clever. Diabolically clever, but clever.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Lawson used 'science' like a sledgehammer again:
 
  Lucid dreamign is generally associated with higher gamma 
  EEG during REM sleep.
  
  Witnessing sleep is associated with higher alpha during 
  sleep, and witnessing dreaming is thought to be associated 
  with higher alpha power during dreaming.
  
  In theory, one can have witnessing lucid dreaming also. 
 
 Of course, *no one* knows what higher alpha or 
 higher gamma actually MEAN. The people conducting 
 the experiments project their own beliefs *onto* 
 these waves, in most cases trying to make them 
 conform to and substantiate their already-
 present theories. Just as you did above by
 assuming that higher gamma was somehow better
 than higher alpha, so of course, TM rules.  :-)

Or vice-versa. Either way, TM rules.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?

Share, funny post.

I wish I had time for Grand Theft Auto.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Yay, and thank you Judy for your feedback. Actually I could tell even from 
 the copy in my Send folder which ones didn't work and which one did.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Share Long sharelong60@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?
  
 
 
 Â  
 testing 4
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6blsCGdDI4
 
 
 
  From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:21 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?
  
 
 
 Â  
 
 Not what you are thinking. :)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  So during the course nothing substantive was done for 
  these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more 
  asanas or something?
 
 Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no
 nothing in particular was really done. On larger
 courses, they might have been referred to one of
 the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. 
 
 But it was clear that no real effort was made to
 help any of these people who were twitching 
 uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked
 for all the world like Tourette syndrome or 
 worse, because the prevailing myth was always
 TM is 100% life supporting. No one was willing
 to go up against that and add, ...for many 
 people, but for others, it may cause problems.
 
 Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this
 commented on the Blame the victim mentality they
 were exposed to. It was always, What are YOU 
 doing wrong that this is happening to you? We
 all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening.

Just to follow up, Michael, here's the essential
conundrum posed by all of this. I worked for some
time in the West Coast Regional Office of the TMO,
arranging all the weekend and longer residence 
courses. On the one hand, we were told by MMY's
core dogma that TM was 100% life supporting, and
that it could not *possibly* have any negative 
effects. Simply can't happen. 

On the other hand, as part of what we did for the
TMO, we were asked to tell the course leaders and 
course participants that while they were on the
course, they could not drive, they could not even
leave the facility, on longer courses they could 
not go anywhere even on the facility grounds unless 
they were accompanied by their buddy, and that
they definitely shouldn't make any important
decisions while they were on the course because
their judgment might be impaired. 

If a drug had that many admitted side effects,
you wouldn't be able to sell it without a 
prescription.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  So during the course nothing substantive was done for 
  these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more 
  asanas or something?
 
 Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no
 nothing in particular was really done. On larger
 courses, they might have been referred to one of
 the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. 
 
 But it was clear that no real effort was made to
 help any of these people who were twitching 
 uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked
 for all the world like Tourette syndrome or 
 worse, because the prevailing myth was always
 TM is 100% life supporting. No one was willing
 to go up against that and add, ...for many 
 people, but for others, it may cause problems.
 
 Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this
 commented on the Blame the victim mentality they
 were exposed to. It was always, What are YOU 
 doing wrong that this is happening to you? We
 all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening.

Just to follow up, Michael, here's the essential
conundrum posed by all of this. I worked for some
time in the West Coast Regional Office of the TMO,
arranging all the weekend and longer residence 
courses. On the one hand, we were told by MMY's
core dogma that TM was 100% life supporting, and
that it could not *possibly* have any negative 
effects. Simply can't happen. 

On the other hand, as part of what we did for the
TMO, we were asked to tell the course leaders and 
course participants that while they were on the
course, they could not drive, they could not even
leave the facility, on longer courses they could 
not go anywhere even on the facility grounds unless 
they were accompanied by their buddy, and that
they definitely shouldn't make any important
decisions while they were on the course because
their judgment might be impaired. 

If a drug had that many admitted side effects,
you wouldn't be able to sell it without a 
prescription.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Bouncy Jesus

2013-09-20 Thread iranitea

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor

that is an excellent description, Barry - I never thought of TM as a drug with 
side effects but I reckon that is what it is. Like a soma pill, with side 
efects!

 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:30 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:

  So during the course nothing substantive was done for 
  these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more 
  asanas or something?

 Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no
 nothing in particular was really done. On larger
 courses, they might have been referred to one of
 the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. 

 But it was clear that no real effort was made to
 help any of these people who were twitching 
 uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked
 for all the world like Tourette syndrome or 
 worse, because the prevailing myth was always
 TM is 100% life supporting. No one was willing
 to go up against that and add, ...for many 
 people, but for others, it may cause problems.

 Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this
 commented on the Blame the victim mentality they
 were exposed to. It was always, What are YOU 
 doing wrong that this is happening to you? We
 all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening.

Just to follow up, Michael, here's the essential
conundrum posed by all of this. I worked for some
time in the West Coast Regional Office of the TMO,
arranging all the weekend and longer residence 
courses. On the one hand, we were told by MMY's
core dogma that TM was 100% life supporting, and
that it could not *possibly* have any negative 
effects. Simply can't happen. 

On the other hand, as part of what we did for the
TMO, we were asked to tell the course leaders and 
course participants that while they were on the
course, they could not drive, they could not even
leave the facility, on longer courses they could 
not go anywhere even on the facility grounds unless 
they were accompanied by their buddy, and that
they definitely shouldn't make any important
decisions while they were on the course because
their judgment might be impaired. 

If a drug had that many admitted side effects,
you wouldn't be able to sell it without a 
prescription.


On 9/19/2013 10:01 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Went to a talk at Watkins tonight - London's premier
 esoteric bookshop which is celebrating 120 years
 service this year - to hear Nick Barrett talk about
 Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming...

You might want to read a paper by Gackenbach, a leading
lucidity researcher (cited frequently in the O-J paper), on
the experience of lucid dreaming among TMers and its
relationship to witnessing:

http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch/fromlucid.htm

So, a lucid dream is a dream in which the sleeper is
aware that he or she is dreaming. From what I've read,
the phenomenon of lucid dreaming has been well
established by scientific research by Gackenbach
and others, so its existence is well established. The
prearranged eye-movements in Lucid Dreaming studies
would preclude the possibility of the same experience
of people in pain.

http://www.spiritwatch.ca/an.htm

Some people may not to be aware that Dream Yoga has
been practiced by Tibetan Buddhists for years. For
example there is Tibetan Buddhist training at Trungpa's
Shamballa project.

In Tibetan Dream Yoga, maintaining full consciousness
while in the dream state is part of Dzogchen training.

This training is described by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
as 'Rigpa Awareness'. Lucid dreaming is secondary to
the experience of 'Diamond Light'. Rigpa Awareness is
very similar to 'witnessing sleep' in TM, which helps
the individual understand the unreality of waking
consciousness as phenomena. Apparently the EEG
patterns are the same in Rigpa Awareness as in TM.

Read more:

'Tibetan Yoga Of Dream And Sleep'
by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
Snow Lion, 1998

'Waking Life'
SAMA Screens Film Series:
QA with film director Richard Linklater
May 11, 7 pm, San Antonio Museum of Art
http://tinyurl.com/2c7wvgc

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Surviving Whole Foods

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are we living in the end times?

2013-09-20 Thread Jason


Serap, this two way traffic, (bi-directional) between past
and future happens only on the Quantum level.

On the Classical level, time flows in uni-directional way.
In fact, this is what gives the Classical universe it's
stability.

Scientists have known for quite some time now that evolution
is partially deterministic and partially random. My bet is
that it's just some kind of mathematical intelligence behind
this deterministic pattern.

Besides, a lot of scientists like Penrose have indeed
started taking consciousness seriously. This Dennett is
probably a fringe minority.

Consciousness is slowly taking the centerstage.  Besides,
the technological developments in observing the subjective
experiences using brain scans are rapidly progressing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FsH7RK1S2E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FsH7RK1S2E



 --- s3raphita s3raphita@.. wrote:

 I don't dispute that. The reason you and I are having a
 human, earthly, animal experience of awareness is owing
 to Darwinian evolution. Awareness itself though - the
 fact that right now I'm conscious of the sound of rain
 falling and the smell of my Nag Champa incense - can't be
 accounted for by the men in white coats. In fact they're
 close to giving up on pretending to have a solution,
 which is why Daniel Dennett and pals are trying to
 persuade us we're not actually conscious at all. Good
 luck with that one Danny boy!

 Of course we have to leave open the possibility that there
 are unknown factors guiding evolution. John Archibald
 (love it!) Wheeler's suggestion that quantum theory shows
 we can change the past leaves open the neat idea that the
 future, the present and the past are constantly tweaking
 each other (like two travelling waves moving down a sound
 tube in opposite directions) so maybe evolution isn't just
 about survival of the fittest . . .

 We are participators in bringing into being not only the
 near and here but the far away and long ago. We are in
 this sense, participators in bringing about something of
 the universe in the distant past and if we have one
 explanation for what's happening in the distant past why
 should we need more? - Wheeler.


 --- Jason jedi_spock@... wrote:
 
  These consciousness theories and quantum theories, don't
  actually change the technical aspects of Darwin's
  evolution.
 
  Even if irreducible consciousness did exist, as you
  claim, Darwin's theory still remains the same,
  unchanged, as sound as ever.
 
  Many new-agers are so stupid that they think these new
  theories negate Darwin.  They don't.  Impersonal
  consciousness, impersonal creation, impersonal
  evolution.
 
 
  --- s3raphita s3raphita@.. wrote:
  
   The point of the Chinese Room thought experiment being
   to  show that consciousness can't be reduced to
   computation (as the advocates of AI like to pretend
   they believe).  Searle is right about that. What he
   wouldn't go on to see was that consciousness being
   irreducible it is also basic. All explanations of the
   Cosmos must come down to some element more essential
   than what is being explained.  That game can't go on
   for ever otherwise you have an infinite regress.
   Something has (or somethings have) to  be basic and
   consciousness [better awareness] being   that thing
   (or one of those things) it follows immediately that
   Darwinian Theory which postulates that  consciousness
   is a late development in evolutionary history is
   clearly wrong. Q.E.D.

 
 
  --- bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote:
  
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TryOC83PH1g

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Surviving Whole Foods


On 9/20/2013 8:14 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Richard continues to lie.

Judy continues to obfuscate on where the Whole Foods Market is
located in her 'neck of the woods'. Why she won't just be honest
about it is beyond me. So, I checked the Store List and it looks
like there are three Whole Foods Stores in New Jersey. I guess it
all depends on what you mean by 'neck of the woods'.

Maybe Judy rides the bus - I don't know for sure, but she said she
wouldn't allow a car into her house, so other than maybe hitching
a ride, I guess taking the bus is the only way, short of walking.

Go figure.

Share says there is a Whole Foods store in Des Moines, which is
a two hour drive from her place. I can drive to the World HQ
flagship store in Austin an hour and  a half if I wanted to. But
 most of the time I drive to the store in San Antonio which is
about ten minutes from here.

So, I'm pretty sure Judy doesn't live next door to a Whole Foods
but she won't say - all she seems to want to do is pick a fight!

And, I'm pretty sure this little conversation about Whole Foods
Mkt won't be lost on Share, just to prove that it's like going into
a rabbit hole when dialoging with Judy. LoL!

Good work Share!

ob·fus·cate

verb: obfuscate; 3rd person present: obfuscates;?past tense:
obfuscated; past participle: obfuscated;?gerund or present
participle: obfuscating

1. render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
the spelling changes will deform some familiar words and
obfuscate their etymological origins

synonyms: obscure, confuse, make unclear, blur, muddle,
complicate, overcomplicate, muddy, cloud, befog

http://tinyurl.com/k62zonr

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


Good work Share! According to Judy, Whole Foods is called Whole Paycheck
in  her neck of the woods, but the only Whole Foods is at least 2 
hours away

from her too. So, I figure Judy has been to Whole Foods what, one time in
her whole life? Go figure.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: HELP.!! Alex, Rick, I am again in a pig muck pit...

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Surviving Whole Foods

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: So you think you#39;ve got troll problems on FFL...


On 9/20/2013 7:46 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
 I love reddit.

So that's where you've been all this time. I was beginning
to wonder what happened to you. Glad to hear that you're
still on the program. LoL!

 I love reddit.  Yeah, the evil minded brats who naysay everything and 
call you gay immediately just to use the word gay and giggle to 
themselves.have to be ignored, but after about the tenth time it loses 
its sting.


The profit is that many very interesting items are found and 
presented, and sometimes a post will draw thousands of replies, and 
studying that -- as if one is a student of human nature -- can be 
calibration about the masses that is sobering and bracing.


The worst part is that the gore photos are not always marked with 
warning.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


...be thankful you're not on Reddit. I don't go near the place, 
because of the near-universal low-vibeness of it and the people who 
hang there. This guy's story affirms my decision in this regard.


http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and-then-it-got-worse 



I empathize with him. It's no fun to be stalked on the Internet, by 
deranged people who just want to yell at someone...anyone, and who 
glommed onto you because you were handy.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Yahoo isn't the only one who uses its users as beta testers

On 9/20/2013 1:17 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
Facebook obviously did the same thing:

Wait just one minute - I'll have t check that out
by looking in the Control Panel of my Ultra Book
to see if Facebook is installed there. If it is, I'm
going to be upset because I thought Facebook
and Yahoo were server side applications.

Be right back.

Facebook obviously did the same thing:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/18/4744904/how-facebook-secretly-redesigned-its-iphone-app-with-your-help

Interestingly, however, it was a more challenging task for them to do
so than Yahoo faced. A Web app like Yahoo Groups lives on the server,
and all you have to do to change it for users is update the code on
the server side; all clients will then see the new changes. If you
want to roll out test versions of a new look like Neo, you can just
choose to deploy this from *some* of your servers, but not all of
them. That gives you a demographic test audience, in that you'll be
able to sort the positive and negative feedback you get from users
geographically to watch only the people who auto-connect to that
particular server, and thus get the test release. This actually
explains how I'm still seeing the old interface in France, whereas
many if not most people in the US are now seeing Neo. On the rare
occasions when I *do* get Neo, it's obviously an old, early, and
*very* buggy version; what I see does not even have Reply or New Topic
buttons. It's read only.

Facebook had a harder challenge, because the code that drives the
interface is local and native (as opposed to HTML5), and lives on the
client device. So to test various configurations of their new look,
they had to roll out a stealth version that they could configure
remotely to create isolated test audiences and then measure their
feedback. Clever. Diabolically clever, but clever.

Buck schticks (at least I hope it's schtick):

 Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story
 of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness
 against something? You are cherry picking. Did you
 actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer
 on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just
 interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This
 guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems
 where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation
 with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for
 him.

Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfect
as course leaders of long residence courses back then. What-
ever course participants complain of -- *whatever* it is -- it
can be cured by pranayama and more (or less) TM.

And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,
I was such a TB that the implications of how we were running
those courses never occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gave
any thought to what we'd do if something serious came up on
one of our courses. We had no liability insurance, no doctors
on call, and no list of what the course leaders should actually
*do* if someone started heavily unstressing, other than the
aforementioned more (or less) TM and pranayma. Maybe
more asanas. And definitely a checking. Everyone knows that
a TM checking can cure anything.

In retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously so.
But we had all bought into that core dogma thang -- TM is
100% life-supporting. We didn't have to plan for negative
situations because by definition on a course on which every-
one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen.

I suspect that some here will dispute this. I further suspect
that those doing so didn't spend much time on long rounding
courses, and by long I mean in excess of six weeks. Those
long courses in Europe didn't have any liability or medical
insurance, either, and they certainly didn't have a team of
reliable doctors on call. But of course there was no *need*
for those things, because by definition on a TM course
nothing bad could happen. The Laws Of Nature just
wouldn't allow it.

And if anything bad *did* happen, no problemo. Whatever
it is, it can be cured with pranayama and more (or less) TM.
Maybe a checking.


--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:

that  is an excellent description, Barry - I never thought of TM as a
drug  with side effects but I reckon that is what it is. Like a soma
pill,  with side efects!


From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:30 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@...
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@
wrote:
 
  So during the course nothing substantive was done for
  these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more
  asanas or something?

 Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no
 nothing in particular was really done. On larger
 courses, they might have been referred to one of
 the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors.

 But it was clear that no real effort was made to
 help any of these people who were twitching
 uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked
 for all the world like Tourette syndrome or
 worse, because the prevailing myth was always
 TM is 100% life supporting. No one was willing
 to go up against that and add, ...for many
 people, but for others, it may cause problems.

 Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this
 commented on the Blame the victim mentality they
 were exposed to. It was always, What are YOU
 doing wrong that this is happening to you? We
 all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening.

Just to follow up, Michael, here's the essential
conundrum posed by all of this. I worked for some
time in the West Coast Regional Office of the TMO,
arranging all the weekend and longer residence
courses. On the one hand, we were told by MMY's
core dogma that TM was 100% life supporting, and
that it could not *possibly* have any negative
effects. Simply can't happen.

On the other hand, as part of what we did for the
TMO, we were asked to tell the course leaders and
course participants that while they were on the
course, they could not drive, they could not even
leave the facility, on longer courses they could
not go anywhere even on the facility grounds unless
they were accompanied by their buddy, and that
they definitely shouldn't make any important
decisions while they were on the course because
their judgment might be impaired.

If a drug had that many admitted side effects,
you wouldn't be able to sell it without a
prescription.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor

In my case, good, logical, sound wisdom, saatvic, supported by all the laws of 
nature and keeps me in good stead with God (just using TM logic here)

 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:32 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor

--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:

Interesting how when an intelligent and successful man says TM was not for me, 
in fact it was really not for me. and I post his point of view, I am accused 
of cherry picking. Yet when the TMO parades some asshole like Russel Brand 
around yapping about how grand TM is (and look what a fine example of TM 
success Brand is) it is a sign of the Age of fucking Enlightenment.

Of course I am cherry picking - I think TM is not all its cracked up to be, so 
I share things and people who share my point of view, same as others here do, 
except my posts in this case have some logic them, unlike the Oh let's praise 
raja luis when the sun comes up in the east! Its a sure sign of TM making to 
world a better place.

If you are accused of something and it is true what does that make it?

 From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:05 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor

 Kapor evidently gets angry and
leaves everything.  Story of his life evidently.  And, you are using
him as a witness against something?  You are cherry picking.  Did you
actually read the Kapor interview through?  Rick Archer on his
interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just interviewed a
psychiatrist about this kind of thing.  This guy Kapor sounds
predisposed in life to have problems where ever he goes.  20 minutes
twice a day of meditation with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough
for him.
-Buck       

--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:

that is an excellent description, Barry - I never thought of TM as a drug with 
side effects but I reckon that is what it is. Like a soma pill, with side 
efects!

 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:30 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:

  So during the course nothing substantive was done for 
  these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more 
  asanas or something?

 Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no
 nothing in particular was really done. On larger
 courses, they might have been referred to one of
 the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. 

 But it was clear that no real effort was made to
 help any of these people who were twitching 
 uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked
 for all the world like Tourette syndrome or 
 worse, because the prevailing myth was always
 TM is 100% life supporting. No one was willing
 to go up against that and add, ...for many 
 people, but for others, it may cause problems.

 Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this
 commented on the Blame the victim mentality they
 were exposed to. It was always, What are YOU 
 doing wrong that this is happening to you? We
 all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening.

Just to follow up, Michael, here's the essential
conundrum posed by all of this. I worked for some
time in the West Coast Regional Office of the TMO,
arranging all the weekend and longer residence 
courses. On the one hand, we were told by MMY's
core dogma that TM was 100% life supporting, and
that it could not *possibly* have any negative 
effects. Simply can't happen. 

On the other hand, as part of what we did for the
TMO, we were asked to tell the course leaders and 
course participants that while they were on the
course, they could not drive, they could not even
leave the facility, on longer courses they could 
not go anywhere even on the facility grounds unless 
they were accompanied by their buddy, and that
they definitely shouldn't make any important
decisions while they were on the course because
their judgment might be impaired. 

If a drug had that many admitted side effects,
you wouldn't be able to sell it without a 
prescription.

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

Re: [FairfieldLife] So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...


On 9/20/2013 2:59 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
 I don't go near the place, because of the near-universal low-vibeness 
of it...


You really told off Edg didn't you? Edg and his 'low-vibeness',
and I can't say I disagree. But, Turq must hold a grudge for
about fifty years or more - can't wait to get back at Edg.

There is one thing Barry and Judy have in common - they
don't forget, and they bring their own mental baggage from
years ago into almost every new dialog - sometimes it's subtle,
but it's there, the insults, the grudges, from a long, long time
ago.

Turq is still mad at me for poking fun at Rama back in 1999.

Go figure.

Hey, Turq - watch out for the hackers over there - they can
and will hack your computer, given enough time. Don't go
on the dark net where hackers and pirates like to hang out
- better you should troll over to the 4chan.

LoL!

...be thankful you're not on Reddit. I don't go near the place, 
because of the near-universal low-vibeness of it and the people who 
hang there. This guy's story affirms my decision in this regard.


http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and-then-it-got-worse 



I empathize with him. It's no fun to be stalked on the Internet, by 
deranged people who just want to yell at someone...anyone, and who 
glommed onto you because you were handy.


---  turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Lawson used 'science' like a sledgehammer again:
 
  Lucid dreamign is generally associated with higher gamma
  EEG during REM sleep.
 
  Witnessing sleep is associated with higher alpha during
  sleep, and witnessing dreaming is thought to be associated
  with higher alpha power during dreaming.
 
  In theory, one can have witnessing lucid dreaming also.
 
 
---  turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Of course, *no one* knows what higher alpha or
 higher gamma actually MEAN. The people conducting
 the experiments project their own beliefs *onto*
 these waves, in most cases trying to make them
 conform to and substantiate their already-
 present theories. Just as you did above by
 assuming that higher gamma was somehow better
 than higher alpha, so of course, TM rules.  :-)

 That said, lucid dreaming, at which I used to be
 fairly proficient, is very different than the stuff
 TMers call witnessing sleep or witnessing dream-
 ing. I would not expect TMers to become very good
 at lucid dreaming, because doing so involves the use
 of will and intent. Many of them would not do well
 with that, because they've been subconsciously
 convinced by TM dogma for so long that any kind of
 intention or effort is bad or off the program.

 Lucid dreaming per se is *not* just waking up in
 the dream and realizing that you're dreaming. It's
 *taking control* of the dream, and being able to
 shape it and morph it however you want. If you don't
 like the dreamscape you're currently in, Zap! you
 just exert your will and move to another one. If
 you don't like the dreampeople or dreamcreatures
 you're hangin' with, Zap! you just leave them behind
 as easily as walking out of a boring cocktail party
 and into the more interesting one across the hall.
 YOU run a fully lucid dream; the dream doesn't.

 It can be a lot of fun, especially when you're
 practicing this stuff along with other people who
 are also proficient at it. You can arrange to get
 together in the dream plane, and do so. We used to
 have regular meetings in the dream plane, and then
 sit down together afterwards and compare notes. More
 often than not we would all report the same settings
 or dreamscapes, and relate the exact same events or
 conversations that we experienced while dreaming.

 It was fun, but after a while I grew bored with it
 and stopped trying to intend lucid dreaming. If it
 happens (and it still does, from time to time) and
 I wake up in the dream, I can still control it, and
 sometimes do, just for fun. But it's no longer a
 regular practice for me.

 As for its possible practical uses, the main one I've
 heard of is in the variant of lucid dreaming known
 as Tibetan dream yoga. Adepts of that practice feel
 that being able to control one's dreams is a valuable
 skill because it can then be used in the Bardo between
 death and rebirth. They see the Bardo as analogous to
 the dream plane, and subject to the same exercises
 in will and intent. If your goal is to move towards
 the Clear Light and thus (in their belief system)
 effect a higher rebirth, then the ability to avoid
 distractions and focus on the Clear Light is useful.

 As for the notion of paying attention to any spirit
 guides or anyone/anything you meet in dreaming, I have
 two words for you: DUMB IDEA. All *sorts* of critters
 live on the dream plane, and some of them are as good
 at morphing their appearance and hiding their real
 intent from you as the best human lucid dreamers. HOW
 do you know you can trust them?

 Let me put it this way. If you're comfortable with
 going to some urban city you've never been in before,
 like say, the Bronx or tough parts of Detroit, and
 then walking up to the first person you meet at random,
 listening to their advice, and then following it as
 if you'd found some kind of guru, by all means do
 the same thing in the dream plane. A fool and his
 body are soon parted.


Bad idea. Our world is an extremely irrational place.  What
makes you think the rest of the universe is rational and
noble?

BTW, heard of the DreamTime of the australian aborginals?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamtime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamtime

http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/
dreaming
http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/dreaming



 ---  fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 By the way, lucid dreaming is NOT the same as conscious awareness
during the deep sleep state (yoga nidra?) which even I used to
experience occasionally on rounding courses - an odd sensation that,
yes, you'd been in dreamless sleep but you were sure you'd maintained
awareness throughout. Never happened to me again after I settled for my
20 minutes twice a day.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] So you think you#39;ve got troll problems on FFL...

2013-09-20 Thread Duveyoung

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

In SofB, AofL, Maharishi writes that the program is TM and taking action. Which 
I'm assuming would involve some intention and effort. And I realize that some 
have misinterpreted an instruction about meditation to also be about life. But 
even by his example, Maharishi taught dynamic action.

Dreaming to me seems like a natural process, like digestion. I'd rather let it 
go on in a natural way. And about the group lucid dreaming, I'd want to be sure 
that everyone involved knew how to avoid the illusory and very wily astral 
realm.




 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:39 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming
 


  
I would not expect TMers to become very good
at lucid dreaming, because doing so involves the use 
of will and intent. Many of them would not do well 
with that, because they've been subconsciously 
convinced by TM dogma for so long that any kind of 
intention or effort is bad or off the program. 



It can be a lot of fun, especially when you're 
practicing this stuff along with other people who
are also proficient at it. You can arrange to get
together in the dream plane, and do so. We used to
have regular meetings in the dream plane, and then 
sit down together afterwards and compare notes. More 
often than not we would all report the same settings 
or dreamscapes, and relate the exact same events or 
conversations that we experienced while dreaming.



As for its possible practical uses, the main one I've
heard of is in the variant of lucid dreaming known
as Tibetan dream yoga. Adepts of that practice feel
that being able to control one's dreams is a valuable
skill because it can then be used in the Bardo between
death and rebirth. They see the Bardo as analogous to
the dream plane, and subject to the same exercises
in will and intent. If your goal is to move towards
the Clear Light and thus (in their belief system)
effect a higher rebirth, then the ability to avoid
distractions and focus on the Clear Light is useful.

As for the notion of paying attention to any spirit
guides or anyone/anything you meet in dreaming, I have
two words for you: DUMB IDEA. All *sorts* of critters
live on the dream plane, and some of them are as good
at morphing their appearance and hiding their real
intent from you as the best human lucid dreamers. HOW
do you know you can trust them?

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor

I'm not so sure that's true - for me personally the unstressing was something 
that passed by the time of the end of each course, but I have heard of plenty 
of people who had problems long after the courses were over, plus the people 
who were not helped by course leaders and were either kicked off or left on 
their own.





 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor
 


  
Except that the side effects Barry mentions aren't harmful as long as you 
follow the course rules. Tthose side effects have dissipated by the end of the 
course (because the rounding has been  tapered down), and all that's left are 
the beneficial effects.

FWIW, Barry's griped about this dozens of times here (and the side effects 
meme is by no means original with him). He makes a huge deal out of very 
little, IMHO. I mean, even exercising for fitness has side effects. Of course, 
you can also be seriously injured during exercise, and apparently some folks 
have had serious side effects as a result of their TM practice. But that isn't 
what Barry is fuming about here.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


that is an excellent description, Barry - I never thought of TM as a drug with 
side effects but I reckon that is what it is. Like a soma pill, with side 
efects!





 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:30 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  So during the course nothing substantive was done for 
  these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more 
  asanas or something?
 
 Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no
 nothing in particular was really done. On larger
 courses, they might have been referred to one of
 the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. 
 
 But it was clear that no real effort was made to
 help any of these people who were twitching 
 uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked
 for all the world like Tourette syndrome or 
 worse, because the prevailing myth was always
 TM is 100% life supporting. No one was willing
 to go up against that and add, ...for many 
 people, but for others, it may cause problems.
 
 Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this
 commented on the Blame the victim mentality they
 were exposed to. It was always, What are YOU 
 doing wrong that this is happening to you? We
 all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening.

Just to follow up, Michael, here's the essential
conundrum posed by all of this. I worked for some
time in the West Coast Regional Office of the TMO,
arranging all the weekend and longer residence 
courses. On the one hand, we were told by MMY's
core dogma that TM was 100% life supporting, and
that it could not *possibly* have any negative 
effects. Simply can't happen. 

On the other hand, as part of what we did for the
TMO, we were asked to tell the course leaders and 
course participants that while they were on the
course, they could not drive, they could not even
leave the facility, on longer courses they could 
not go anywhere even on the facility grounds unless 
they were accompanied by their buddy, and that
they definitely shouldn't make any important
decisions while they were on the course because
their judgment might be impaired. 

If a drug had that many admitted side effects,
you wouldn't be able to sell it without a 
prescription.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Surviving Whole Foods

Richard, just to decorate the rabbit hole some, I'll share that when I visit my 
family, I often shop at the Annapolis Whole Foods which is about 5 minute drive 
from my Mom's. Very new store. Always jam packed with shoppers! With this 
observation, I suggested to  the Balt metro area TM teachers to focus on 
Annapolis. I think they went and figured instead! 

PS Did someone, we won't say who, do away with the snipping rule?




 From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Surviving Whole Foods
 


  
On 9/20/2013 8:14 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Richard continues to lie.

Judy continues to obfuscate on where the Whole Foods Market is
located in her 'neck of the woods'. Why she won't just be honest
about it is beyond me. So, I checked the Store List and it looks
like there are three Whole Foods Stores in New Jersey. I guess it
all depends on what you mean by 'neck of the woods'. 

Maybe Judy rides the bus - I don't know for sure, but she said she 
wouldn't allow a car into her house, so other than maybe hitching 
a ride, I guess taking the bus is the only way, short of walking.

Go figure.

Share says there is a Whole Foods store in Des Moines, which is
a two hour drive from her place. I can drive to the World HQ
flagship store in Austin an hour and  a half if I wanted to. But
 most of the time I drive to the store in San Antonio which is 
about ten minutes from here.

So, I'm pretty sure Judy doesn't live next door to a Whole Foods
but she won't say - all she seems to want to do is pick a fight!

And, I'm pretty sure this little conversation about Whole Foods 
Mkt won't be lost on Share, just to prove that it's like going into
a rabbit hole when dialoging with Judy. LoL!

Good work Share!

ob·fus·cate

verb: obfuscate; 3rd person present: obfuscates;?past tense: 
obfuscated; past participle: obfuscated;?gerund or present 
participle: obfuscating

1. render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
the spelling changes will deform some familiar words and 
obfuscate their etymological origins

synonyms: obscure, confuse, make unclear, blur, muddle, 
complicate, overcomplicate, muddy, cloud, befog 

http://tinyurl.com/k62zonr


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Good work Share! According to Judy, Whole Foods is called Whole Paycheck
in  her neck of the woods, but the only Whole Foods is
at least 2 hours away
from her too. So, I figure Judy has been to Whole Foods
what, one time in
her whole life? Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor

I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the 
Doors to the Domes.

 From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor

 Yeah, the poor aggravated guy.  Of
course we know a lot more now than we did then.  I was on that course
too and it wasn't so bad.  It was great actually.  Would be good now
to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice
along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that
part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more.  That
could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of
acedia.  For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been 
very helpful these ways to the meditating
community these ways.  The waking down community here, 
https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful 
these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the 
movement long before what it is now as
a meditating community.
-Buck   

 Kapor evidently gets angry and
leaves everything. Story 
 of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness 
 against something? You are cherry picking. Did you 
 actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer 
 on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just 
 interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This 
 guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems 
 where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation 
 with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for 
 him.

Turq writes;

Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfect
as course leaders of long residence courses back then. What-
ever course participants complain of -- *whatever* it is -- it
can be cured by pranayama and more (or less) TM. 

And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,
I was such a TB that the implications of how we were running
those courses never occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gave
any thought to what we'd do if something serious came up on
one of our courses. We had no liability insurance, no doctors
on call, and no list of what the course leaders should actually
*do* if someone started heavily unstressing, other than the
aforementioned more (or less) TM and pranayma. Maybe 
more asanas. And definitely a checking. Everyone knows that
a TM checking can cure anything. 

In retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously so.
But we had all bought into that core dogma thang -- TM is
100% life-supporting. We didn't have to plan for negative
situations because by definition on a course on which every-
one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen.

I suspect that some here will dispute this. I further suspect
that those doing so didn't spend much time on long rounding
courses, and by long I mean in excess of six weeks. Those
long courses in Europe didn't have any liability or medical
insurance, either, and they certainly didn't have a team of
reliable doctors on call. But of course there was no *need* 
for those things, because by definition on a TM course 
nothing bad could happen. The Laws Of Nature just 
wouldn't allow it. 

And if anything bad *did* happen, no problemo. Whatever 
it is, it can be cured with pranayama and more (or less) TM.
Maybe a checking. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Buck schticks (at least I hope it's schtick):

 Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story 
 of his life evidently. And, you are using
him as a witness 
 against something? You are cherry picking. Did you 
 actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer 
 on his
interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just 
 interviewed a
psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This 
 guy Kapor sounds
predisposed in life to have problems 
 where ever he goes. 20 minutes
twice a day of meditation 
 with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough
for 
 him.

Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfect
as course leaders of long residence courses back then. What-
ever course participants complain of -- *whatever* it is -- it
can be cured by pranayama and more (or less) TM. 

And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,
I was such a TB that the implications of how we were running
those courses never occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gave
any thought to what we'd do if something serious came up on
one of our courses. We had no liability insurance, no doctors
on call, and no list of what the course leaders should actually
*do* if someone started heavily unstressing, other than the
aforementioned more (or less) TM and pranayma. Maybe 
more asanas. And definitely a checking. Everyone knows that
a TM checking can cure anything. 

In retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously so.
But we had

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

Ann, I'm with Edg on this. I don't think it's wise to mess with the dream 
state. Let it take it's natural course I say.

 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:49 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Lawson used 'science' like a sledgehammer again:

 Lucid dreamign is generally associated with higher gamma 
 EEG during REM sleep.

 Witnessing sleep is associated with higher alpha during 
 sleep, and witnessing dreaming is thought to be associated 
 with higher alpha power during dreaming.

 In theory, one can have witnessing lucid dreaming also. 

Of course, *no one* knows what higher alpha or 
higher gamma actually MEAN. The people conducting 
the experiments project their own beliefs *onto* 
these waves, in most cases trying to make them 
conform to and substantiate their already-
present theories. Just as you did above by
assuming that higher gamma was somehow better
than higher alpha, so of course, TM rules.  :-)

That said, lucid dreaming, at which I used to be
fairly proficient, is very different than the stuff
TMers call witnessing sleep or witnessing dream-
ing. I would not expect TMers to become very good
at lucid dreaming, because doing so involves the use 
of will and intent. Many of them would not do well 
with that, because they've been subconsciously 
convinced by TM dogma for so long that any kind of 
intention or effort is bad or off the program. 

Lucid dreaming per se is *not* just waking up in 
the dream and realizing that you're dreaming. It's
*taking control* of the dream, and being able to
shape it and morph it however you want. If you don't
like the dreamscape you're currently in, Zap! you
just exert your will and move to another one. If
you don't like the dreampeople or dreamcreatures
you're hangin' with, Zap! you just leave them behind
as easily as walking out of a boring cocktail party
and into the more interesting one across the hall.
YOU run a fully lucid dream; the dream doesn't.

It can be a lot of fun, especially when you're 
practicing this stuff along with other people who
are also proficient at it. You can arrange to get
together in the dream plane, and do so. We used to
have regular meetings in the dream plane, and then 
sit down together afterwards and compare notes. More 
often than not we would all report the same settings 
or dreamscapes, and relate the exact same events or 
conversations that we experienced while dreaming.

It was fun, but after a while I grew bored with it
and stopped trying to intend lucid dreaming. If it
happens (and it still does, from time to time) and
I wake up in the dream, I can still control it, and
sometimes do, just for fun. But it's no longer a 
regular practice for me. 

As for its possible practical uses, the main one I've
heard of is in the variant of lucid dreaming known
as Tibetan dream yoga. Adepts of that practice feel
that being able to control one's dreams is a valuable
skill because it can then be used in the Bardo between
death and rebirth. They see the Bardo as analogous to
the dream plane, and subject to the same exercises
in will and intent. If your goal is to move towards
the Clear Light and thus (in their belief system)
effect a higher rebirth, then the ability to avoid
distractions and focus on the Clear Light is useful.

As for the notion of paying attention to any spirit
guides or anyone/anything you meet in dreaming, I have
two words for you: DUMB IDEA. All *sorts* of critters
live on the dream plane, and some of them are as good
at morphing their appearance and hiding their real
intent from you as the best human lucid dreamers. HOW
do you know you can trust them?

Let me put it this way. If you're comfortable with 
going to some urban city you've never been in before,
like say, the Bronx or tough parts of Detroit, and
then walking up to the first person you meet at random,
listening to their advice, and then following it as
if you'd found some kind of guru, by all means do
the same thing in the dream plane. A fool and his
body are soon parted. 

I knew Barry would be chomping at the proverbial bit to get in on this 
conversation. We all know he considers himself the resident expert on lucid 
dreaming and the ability to make anything happen while ensconced under his 
duvet. Perhaps he might like to take a trip to Fairfield to head a ten part 
course on how to become adept at pioneering your way through the labyrinths of 
the dream world and achieve great things. Share could put up the promo posters 
and arrange for a rental hall.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

By the way, lucid dreaming is NOT the same as conscious awareness during the 
deep sleep state (yoga nidra?) which even I used to experience occasionally on 
rounding courses -

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

[FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...

2013-09-20 Thread Jason


He claims that I stalked him.  Ask him.


--- authfriend authfriend@.. wrote:

 Have you ever been stalked on the Internet, Barry? If so,
 why don't you tell us about it?

 I should think you'd revel in Reddit if, in fact, it's so
 universally low-vibe. Just your kinda folks.

 As I told Edg, I don't hang out at Reddit, but a sort of
 miscellany blog I do read has occasional posts about an
 interesting Reddit thread. I usually go take a look and
 have found threads that are heartwarming, deeply moving,
 highly creative, profound, and/or extremely witty.

 If you read the story Barry linked to, you'l find that
 while the writer had a bad time with some Redditors,
 others supported and defended him; some even apologized
 for having made a nasty comment.

 Ever seen Barry apologizing for making a nasty comment on
 FFL?

 Most of the story isn't about Reddit in any case, contrary
 to the impression Barry has tried to create..


 --- turquoiseb turquoiseb@.. wrote:
 
  ...be thankful you're not on Reddit. I don't go near the
  place, because of the near-universal low-vibeness of it
  and the people who hang there. This guy's story affirms
  my decision in this regard.
 
  http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and
  -then-it-got-worse
 
  I empathize with him. It's no fun to be stalked on the
  Internet, by deranged people who just want to yell at
  someone...anyone, and who glommed onto you because you
  were handy.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

Let dream state take its natural course I say. Pet peeve of mine with people 
mix up it's and its!

 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

Ann, I'm with Edg on this. I don't think it's wise to mess with the dream 
state. Let it take it's natural course I say.

 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:49 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Lawson used 'science' like a sledgehammer again:

 Lucid dreamign is generally associated with higher gamma 
 EEG during REM sleep.

 Witnessing sleep is associated with higher alpha during 
 sleep, and witnessing dreaming is thought to be associated 
 with higher alpha power during dreaming.

 In theory, one can have witnessing lucid dreaming also. 

Of course, *no one* knows what higher alpha or 
higher gamma actually MEAN. The people conducting 
the experiments project their own beliefs *onto* 
these waves, in most cases trying to make them 
conform to and substantiate their already-
present theories. Just as you did above by
assuming that higher gamma was somehow better
than higher alpha, so of course, TM rules.  :-)

That said, lucid dreaming, at which I used to be
fairly proficient, is very different than the stuff
TMers call witnessing sleep or witnessing dream-
ing. I would not expect TMers to become very good
at lucid dreaming, because doing so involves the use 
of will and intent. Many of them would not do well 
with that, because they've been subconsciously 
convinced by TM dogma for so long that any kind of 
intention or effort is bad or off the program. 

Lucid dreaming per se is *not* just waking up in 
the dream and realizing that you're dreaming. It's
*taking control* of the dream, and being able to
shape it and morph it however you want. If you don't
like the dreamscape you're currently in, Zap! you
just exert your will and move to another one. If
you don't like the dreampeople or dreamcreatures
you're hangin' with, Zap! you just leave them behind
as easily as walking out of a boring cocktail party
and into the more interesting one across the hall.
YOU run a fully lucid dream; the dream doesn't.

It can be a lot of fun, especially when you're 
practicing this stuff along with other people who
are also proficient at it. You can arrange to get
together in the dream plane, and do so. We used to
have regular meetings in the dream plane, and then 
sit down together afterwards and compare notes. More 
often than not we would all report the same settings 
or dreamscapes, and relate the exact same events or 
conversations that we experienced while dreaming.

It was fun, but after a while I grew bored with it
and stopped trying to intend lucid dreaming. If it
happens (and it still does, from time to time) and
I wake up in the dream, I can still control it, and
sometimes do, just for fun. But it's no longer a 
regular practice for me. 

As for its possible practical uses, the main one I've
heard of is in the variant of lucid dreaming known
as Tibetan dream yoga. Adepts of that practice feel
that being able to control one's dreams is a valuable
skill because it can then be used in the Bardo between
death and rebirth. They see the Bardo as analogous to
the dream plane, and subject to the same exercises
in will and intent. If your goal is to move towards
the Clear Light and thus (in their belief system)
effect a higher rebirth, then the ability to avoid
distractions and focus on the Clear Light is useful.

As for the notion of paying attention to any spirit
guides or anyone/anything you meet in dreaming, I have
two words for you: DUMB IDEA. All *sorts* of critters
live on the dream plane, and some of them are as good
at morphing their appearance and hiding their real
intent from you as the best human lucid dreamers. HOW
do you know you can trust them?

Let me put it this way. If you're comfortable with 
going to some urban city you've never been in before,
like say, the Bronx or tough parts of Detroit, and
then walking up to the first person you meet at random,
listening to their advice, and then following it as
if you'd found some kind of guru, by all means do
the same thing in the dream plane. A fool and his
body are soon parted. 

I knew Barry would be chomping at the proverbial bit to get in on this 
conversation. We all know he considers himself the resident expert on lucid 
dreaming and the ability to make anything happen while ensconced under his 
duvet. Perhaps he might like to take a trip to Fairfield to head a ten part 
course on how to become adept at pioneering your way through the labyrinths of 
the dream

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Surviving Whole Foods

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming


On 9/20/2013 8:46 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 If you're witnessing dreaming, that's all you're doing; you can't 
jump in

 and change the dream as you can with lucid dreaming.

 According to what I've read, alucid dream is any dream in
which one is aware that one is dreaming.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


Nice post by S3raphita by the way.  I found her description very clear 
and interesting.



Now, if you are aware of something like the fact you are dreaming 
(called lucid dreaming here) that is one thing. But if you are 
witnessing dreaming you are then supposedly aware that you are a 
dreamer but also you are the perceiver of the fact that you are the 
dreamer so how does the witnessing come into play? It seems 
redundant to me. Lucid dreaming means you are already one step removed 
from the actor in the dream - aware of the fact you are outside 
watching yourself act as the dreamer and creating the dream at the 
same time so you are, in fact, witnessing the dream and having a lucid 
one. Thus, redundant. I'm sure someone will want to clarify this for 
me because I am apparently missing something.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Lucid dreamign is generally associated with higher gamma EEG
during REM sleep.


Witnessing sleep is associated with higher alpha during sleep, and
witnessing dreaming is thought to be associated with higher alpha
power during dreaming.


In theory, one can have witnessing lucid dreaming also.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

By the way, lucid dreaming is NOT the same as conscious
awareness during the deep sleep state (yoga nidra?) which even
I used to experience occasionally on rounding courses - an odd
sensation that, yes, you'd been in dreamless sleep but you
were sure you'd maintained awareness throughout. Never
happened to me again after I settled for my 20 minutes twice a
day.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Went to a talk at Watkins tonight - London's premier
esoteric bookshop which is celebrating 120 years service
this year - to hear Nick Barrett talk about Spirit Guided
Lucid Dreaming. You know about lucid dreaming - when you
become lucid during a dream and realise that what you are
experiencing is a dream. I've had that happen to me a few
times but each time I woke up shortly after the realisation.

Those who take the trouble to master the art claim that a
lucid dream experience is as subjectively real as - well -
reality! The bonus feature is that, as you are aware it is
your own dream, you can take command of the situation and
direct the movie you're watching. Claims are made that you
can conjure up your favourite film star as a companion,
soar off together into the stratosphere, picnic together
on one of the moons of Jupiter, make passionate love, and
. . .well, you get the picture, do whatever takes your
fancy. Hell, you could even fly over to Fairfield, enter
the Golden Dome, and have those hoppers gawking up at
you as you demonstrate your levitational skills.

Nick Barrett's originality is that he says he started
talking to the dream figures he encountered and asking
them who they were. Most of them looked back at him with a
blank expression - as if to say: we're just your
subconscious, mate. But some of them had a light in their
eyes - like your everyday folk - and were able to answer
his questions about problems he had. He eventually made
contact with his guardian angel, who is now his regular
companion in dreamland. Nick enthuses that his angel has
helped him resolve many of his psychological issues. Maybe
Freud missed a trick here when he suspected that dreams
were the royal road to the unconscious.

It's intriguing stuff, and Nick didn't strike me as a nut
job. I asked him if his spirit guide knew things his
subconscious couldn't be expected to know. I had in mind
finding out which horse would win the 2.10 at Ascot on
Saturday but he innocently replied about his guide knowing
things about himself and his own past he couldn't recall.

Makes me wonder though if in decades hence all children
will be taught how to lucid dream as a matter of course.


Testing.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...

Obbajee, are you able to read and write posts from the web site? There's almost 
no time lag on the web site.

 From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:58 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...

Turq, are you inviting me? ;)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 ...be thankful you're not on Reddit. I don't go near the place, because
 of the near-universal low-vibeness of it and the people who hang there.
 This guy's story affirms my decision in this regard.

 http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and-then-it-got\
 -worse
 http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and-then-it-go\
 t-worse

 I empathize with him. It's no fun to be stalked on the Internet, by
 deranged people who just want to yell at someone...anyone, and who
 glommed onto you because you were handy.

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor

[FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...

Share!  My God! You are right!  How can I thank you!  
Wow! Amazing!  I am liberated!

Testing. 

Sometimes the post I post on the webpage don't show up until later. This 
morning, they have been. I still do not see my posts from last evening in my 
inbox.
Today's post, they so far, cross my fingers and hope to die, they will keep 
coming in!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Obbajee, are you able to read and write posts from the web site? There's 
 almost no time lag on the web site.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:58 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...
  
 
 
 Â  
 Turq, are you inviting me? ;)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  ...be thankful you're not on Reddit. I don't go near the place, because
  of the near-universal low-vibeness of it and the people who hang there.
  This guy's story affirms my decision in this regard.
  
  http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and-then-it-got\
  -worse
  http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and-then-it-go\
  t-worse
  
  I empathize with him. It's no fun to be stalked on the Internet, by
  deranged people who just want to yell at someone...anyone, and who
  glommed onto you because you were handy.

Share:
 I often shop at the Annapolis Whole Foods which is
 about 5 minute drive from my Mom's.

Yeah, I was really laughing at the interview with the
comic talking about shopping at Whole Foods because
hardly anything she said made sense.

Her routine didn't reflect anything that I've ever
experienced shopping at a Whole Foods Market. In
fact, it was downright insulting and not all that funny
since it made fun of poor people and sick people with
special needs.

We like to shop at Trader Joe's sometimes too.

But I'd say that if you had to ride a bus for hours just
to get to a health food store and it takes your whole
paycheck, then maybe it might be a good time to shop
at Safeway.

Or get a car and a better paying job. LoL!

Whole Foods Store Locator
http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/stores/list
http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/stores/list

Whole Foods Market, San Antonio:

  http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/stores/list

[FairfieldLife] RE: Are we living in the end times?

[FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...

Turq, are you inviting me? ;)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 ...be thankful you're not on Reddit. I don't go near the place, because
 of the near-universal low-vibeness of it and the people who hang there.
 This guy's story affirms my decision in this regard.
 
 http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and-then-it-got\
 -worse
 http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and-then-it-go\
 t-worse
 
 I empathize with him. It's no fun to be stalked on the Internet, by
 deranged people who just want to yell at someone...anyone, and who
 glommed onto you because you were handy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: On Being An Eagle

2013-09-20 Thread Jason


Sorry to hijack the thread.  Tell me the differences
between,

'Phenomenological materialism', 'Mysterianistic materialism'
and 'reductionist materialism'.

Maybe, you and Judy have a better understanding of what
exactly Nagel meant.


--- waspaligap waspaligap@.. wrote:

 Love lift us up where we belong
 Where the eagles cry on a mountain high

 The real thing:
 http://youtu.be/G3QrhdfLCO8

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor


It's like Mitch went to TTC and taught TM for a few years and then
decided to try and become a 'Governor of the Age of Enlightenment',
so he took off from his family and job for six months to go over to
Switzerland.

That doesn't sound like someone who has a real grasp on reality to
me.

So, what is he doing talking like a Buddhist on Tricycle, when he just
rejected a whole yoga program based on Buddhist teachings?

Go figure.

On 9/20/2013 7:05 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:


*Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story of his life 
evidently. And, you are using him as a witness against something? You 
are cherry picking. Did you actually read the Kapor interview through? 
Rick Archer on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just 
interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This guy Kapor 
sounds predisposed in life to have problems where ever he goes. 20 
minutes twice a day of meditation with liberal pranayama should proly 
be good enough for him.*


*-Buck *



--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:

that is an excellent description, Barry - I never thought of TM as a 
drug with side effects but I reckon that is what it is. Like a soma 
pill, with side efects!




*From:* turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, September 20, 2013 3:30 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson
mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  So during the course nothing substantive was done for
  these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more
  asanas or something?

 Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no
 nothing in particular was really done. On larger
 courses, they might have been referred to one of
 the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors.

 But it was clear that no real effort was made to
 help any of these people who were twitching
 uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked
 for all the world like Tourette syndrome or
 worse, because the prevailing myth was always
 TM is 100% life supporting. No one was willing
 to go up against that and add, ...for many
 people, but for others, it may cause problems.

 Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this
 commented on the Blame the victim mentality they
 were exposed to. It was always, What are YOU
 doing wrong that this is happening to you? We
 all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening.

Just to follow up, Michael, here's the essential
conundrum posed by all of this. I worked for some
time in the West Coast Regional Office of the TMO,
arranging all the weekend and longer residence
courses. On the one hand, we were told by MMY's
core dogma that TM was 100% life supporting, and
that it could not *possibly* have any negative
effects. Simply can't happen.

On the other hand, as part of what we did for the
TMO, we were asked to tell the course leaders and
course participants that while they were on the
course, they could not drive, they could not even
leave the facility, on longer courses they could
not go anywhere even on the facility grounds unless
they were accompanied by their buddy, and that
they definitely shouldn't make any important
decisions while they were on the course because
their judgment might be impaired.

If a drug had that many admitted side effects,
you wouldn't be able to sell it without a
prescription.




.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Good old levitation trick!

Re: [FairfieldLife] So you think you#39;ve got troll problems on FFL...


Well, yeah, since you accused him of being a perv in a bar, he's
been pretty civil, until he insinuated that you had a low-vibe.

On 9/20/2013 9:26 AM, Duveyoung wrote:


 Actually, I think Turq has been exemplary in how civil he's been to 
me given how I've had at him in the past.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


On 9/20/2013 2:59 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
 I don't go near the place, because of the near-universal
low-vibeness of it...

You really told off Edg didn't you? Edg and his 'low-vibeness',
and I can't say I disagree. But, Turq must hold a grudge for
about fifty years or more - can't wait to get back at Edg.

There is one thing Barry and Judy have in common - they
don't forget, and they bring their own mental baggage from
years ago into almost every new dialog - sometimes it's subtle,
but it's there, the insults, the grudges, from a long, long time
ago.

Turq is still mad at me for poking fun at Rama back in 1999.

Go figure.

Hey, Turq - watch out for the hackers over there - they can
and will hack your computer, given enough time. Don't go
on the dark net where hackers and pirates like to hang out
- better you should troll over to the 4chan.

LoL!


...be thankful you're not on Reddit. I don't go near the place,
because of the near-universal low-vibeness of it and the people
who hang there. This guy's story affirms my decision in this regard.


http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and-then-it-got-worse


I empathize with him. It's no fun to be stalked on the Internet,
by deranged people who just want to yell at someone...anyone, and
who glommed onto you because you were handy.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor

Oh I understand now - you didn't say spaciness, you just said side effects - 
but I understand now what you meant. 

 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor

Yes, as I believe I said, some people have had very serious side effects. 
However, my point was that the spaciness during rounding was generally not 
serious, but the rules about not leaving the facility or making important 
decisions during the course would have made good sense even if that was the 
complete extent of the side effects. IOW, the rules didn't constitute a 
conundrum.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I'm not so sure that's true - for me personally the unstressing was something 
that passed by the time of the end of each course, but I have heard of plenty 
of people who had problems long after the courses were over, plus the people 
who were not helped by course leaders and were either kicked off or left on 
their own.

 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor

Except that the side effects Barry mentions aren't harmful as long as you 
follow the course rules. Tthose side effects have dissipated by the end of the 
course (because the rounding has been  tapered down), and all that's left are 
the beneficial effects.

FWIW, Barry's griped about this dozens of times here (and the side effects 
meme is by no means original with him). He makes a huge deal out of very 
little, IMHO. I mean, even exercising for fitness has side effects. Of course, 
you can also be seriously injured during exercise, and apparently some folks 
have had serious side effects as a result of their TM practice. But that isn't 
what Barry is fuming about here.

--- In
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

that is an excellent description, Barry - I never thought of TM as a drug with 
side effects but I reckon that is what it is. Like a soma pill, with side 
efects!

 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:30 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:

  So during the course nothing substantive was done for 
  these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more 
  asanas or something?

 Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no
 nothing in particular was really done. On larger
 courses, they might have been referred to one of
 the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. 

 But it was clear that no real effort was made to
 help any of these people who were twitching 
 uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked
 for all the world like Tourette syndrome or 
 worse, because the prevailing myth was always
 TM is 100% life supporting. No one was willing
 to go up against that and add, ...for many 
 people, but for others, it may cause problems.

 Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this
 commented on the Blame the victim mentality they
 were exposed to. It was always, What are YOU 
 doing wrong that this is happening to you? We
 all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening.

Just to follow up, Michael, here's the essential
conundrum posed by all of this. I worked for some
time in the West Coast Regional Office of the TMO,
arranging all the weekend and longer residence 
courses. On the one hand, we were told by MMY's
core dogma that TM was 100% life supporting, and
that it could not *possibly* have any negative 
effects. Simply can't happen. 

On the other hand, as part of what we did for the
TMO, we were asked to tell the course leaders and 
course participants that while they were on the
course, they could not drive, they could not even
leave the facility, on longer courses they could 
not go anywhere even on the facility grounds unless 
they were accompanied by their buddy, and that
they definitely shouldn't make any important
decisions while they were on the course because
their judgment might be impaired. 

If a drug had that many admitted side effects,
you wouldn't be able to sell it without a 
prescription.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Surviving Whole Foods


On 9/20/2013 9:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Which rule would that be, Share?


The rule about snipping, the one that is in the FFL Guidelines,
the netiquette protocol that's a basic rule of posting to
discussion groups - the rule Rick wrote for FFL. That rule.

Maybe it's time to review the Yahoo FairfieldLife Guidelines.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


Richard, just to decorate the rabbit hole some, I'll share that when I 
visit my family, I often shop at the Annapolis Whole Foods which is 
about 5 minute drive from my Mom's. Very new store. Always jam packed 
with shoppers! With this observation, I suggested to  the Balt metro 
area TM teachers to focus on Annapolis. I think they went and figured 
instead!

PS Did someone, we won't say who, do away with the snipping rule?


*From:* Richard J. Williams punditster@...
*To:* Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, September 20, 2013 8:44 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Surviving Whole Foods

On 9/20/2013 8:14 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

 Richard continues to lie.


Judy continues to obfuscate on where the Whole Foods Market is
located in her 'neck of the woods'. Why she won't just be honest
about it is beyond me. So, I checked the Store List and it looks
like there are three Whole Foods Stores in New Jersey. I guess it
all depends on what you mean by 'neck of the woods'.

Maybe Judy rides the bus - I don't know for sure, but she said she
wouldn't allow a car into her house, so other than maybe hitching
a ride, I guess taking the bus is the only way, short of walking.

Go figure.

Share says there is a Whole Foods store in Des Moines, which is
a two hour drive from her place. I can drive to the World HQ
flagship store in Austin an hour and  a half if I wanted to. But
 most of the time I drive to the store in San Antonio which is
about ten minutes from here.

So, I'm pretty sure Judy doesn't live next door to a Whole Foods
but she won't say - all she seems to want to do is pick a fight!

And, I'm pretty sure this little conversation about Whole Foods
Mkt won't be lost on Share, just to prove that it's like going into
a rabbit hole when dialoging with Judy. LoL!

Good work Share!

ob·fus·cate

verb: obfuscate; 3rd person present: obfuscates;?past tense:
obfuscated; past participle: obfuscated;?gerund or present
participle: obfuscating

1. render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
the spelling changes will deform some familiar words and
obfuscate their etymological origins

synonyms: obscure, confuse, make unclear, blur, muddle,
complicate, overcomplicate, muddy, cloud, befog

http://tinyurl.com/k62zonr


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Good work Share! According to Judy, Whole Foods is called Whole
Paycheck
in  her neck of the woods, but the only Whole Foods is at least 2
hours away
from her too. So, I figure Judy has been to Whole Foods what, one
time in
her whole life? Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: On Being An Eagle

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

now that is a good question - how about it, those of you on the first few six 
month courses? Was it known it was experimental before you went?

 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:27 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

I don't know, I'm just asking--but weren't the course participants all aware 
that it was going to be experimental when they signed up? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point 
Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he and 
the other participants were being used as experimental subjects. That charge 
carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs for the 
TMO developing its course material.

--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:

I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the 
Doors to the Domes.

 From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor

 Yeah, the poor aggravated guy.  Of
course we know a lot more now than we did then.  I was on that course
too and it wasn't so bad.  It was great actually.  Would be good now
to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice
along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that
part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more.  That
could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of
acedia.  For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been 
very helpful these ways to the meditating
community these ways.  The waking down community here, 
https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful 
these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the 
movement long before what it is now as
a meditating community.
-Buck   

 Kapor evidently gets angry and
leaves everything. Story 
 of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness 
 against something? You are cherry picking. Did you 
 actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer 
 on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just 
 interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This 
 guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems 
 where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation 
 with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for 
 him.

Turq writes;

Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfect
as course leaders of long residence courses back then. What-
ever course participants complain of -- *whatever* it is -- it
can be cured by pranayama and more (or less) TM. 

And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,
I was such a TB that the implications of how we were running
those courses never occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gave
any thought to what we'd do if something serious came up on
one of our courses. We had no liability insurance, no doctors
on call, and no list of what the course leaders should actually
*do* if someone started heavily unstressing, other than the
aforementioned more (or less) TM and pranayma. Maybe 
more asanas. And definitely a checking. Everyone knows that
a TM checking can cure anything. 

In retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously so.
But we had all bought into that core dogma thang -- TM is
100% life-supporting. We didn't have to plan for negative
situations because by definition on a course on which every-
one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen.

I suspect that some here will dispute this. I further suspect
that those doing so didn't spend much time on long rounding
courses, and by long I mean in excess of six weeks. Those
long courses in Europe didn't have any liability or medical
insurance, either, and they certainly didn't have a team of
reliable doctors on call. But of course there was no *need* 
for those things, because by definition on a TM course 
nothing bad could happen. The Laws Of Nature just 
wouldn't allow it. 

And if anything bad *did* happen, no problemo. Whatever 
it is, it can be cured with pranayama and more (or less) TM.
Maybe a checking. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Buck schticks (at least I hope it's schtick):

 Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story 
 of his life evidently. And, you are using
him as a witness 
 against something? You are cherry picking. Did you 
 actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer 
 on his
interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just 
 interviewed a
psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This 
 guy Kapor sounds
predisposed in life to have problems 
 where ever he goes.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor

he probably didn't wear a Buddhist stupa shaped hat on his six month course, 
that was the problem right there. 

 From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor

It's like Mitch went to TTC and taught TM for a few years and then
decided to try and become a 'Governor of the Age of Enlightenment',
so he took off from his family and job for six months to go over
  to
Switzerland.

That doesn't sound like someone who has a real grasp on reality to 
me. 

So, what is he doing talking like a Buddhist on Tricycle, when he
  just 
rejected a whole yoga program based on Buddhist teachings?

Go figure.

On 9/20/2013 7:05 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story of his life 
evidently. And, you are using him as a witness against something? You are 
cherry picking. Did you actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer 
on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just interviewed a 
psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This guy Kapor sounds predisposed in 
life to have problems where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation 
with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for him.
-Buck       

--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:

that is an excellent description, Barry - I never thought of TM as a drug with 
side effects but I reckon that is what it is. Like a soma pill, with side 
efects!

 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:30 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:

  So during the course
nothing substantive was done for 
  these folks? I mean beyond
telling them to do more 
  asanas or something?

 Depends on the course. On small
ATR courses, no
 nothing in particular was
really done. On larger
 courses, they might have been
referred to one of
 the resident quacks...uh...I
mean doctors. 

 But it was clear that no real
effort was made to
 help any of these people who
were twitching 
 uncontrollably or having
symptoms that looked
 for all the world like Tourette
syndrome or 
 worse, because the prevailing
myth was always
 TM is 100% life supporting.
No one was willing
 to go up against that and add,
...for many 
 people, but for others, it may
cause problems.

 Anyone I ever spoke to who was
going through this
 commented on the Blame the
victim mentality they
 were exposed to. It was always,
What are YOU 
 doing wrong that this is
happening to you? We
 all 'know' that it 'shouldn't'
be happening.

Just to follow up, Michael, here's
the essential
conundrum posed by all of this. I
worked for some
time in the West Coast Regional
Office of the TMO,
arranging all the weekend and longer
residence 
courses. On the one hand, we were
told by MMY's
core dogma that TM was 100% life
supporting, and
that it could not *possibly* have
any negative 
effects. Simply can't happen. 

On the other hand, as part of what
we did for the
TMO, we were asked to tell the
course leaders and 
course participants that while they
were on the
course, they could not drive, they
could not even
leave the facility, on longer
courses they could 
not go anywhere even on the facility
grounds unless 
they were accompanied by their
buddy, and that
they definitely shouldn't make any
important
decisions while they were on the
course because

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: So you think you#39;ve got troll problems on FFL...


On 9/20/2013 9:57 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


Interesting. He's told a story here several times about how I 
stalked him from forum to forum that is totally false and that he 
/knows/ is false.



In his mind you stalked him to FFL - the fact that he posted a
challenge on Usenet to join him here he can't seem to remember,
or he doesn't seem to want to remember. Go figure.

For the record, Alex was the first one to come over to FFL from
alt.m.t, so it's all his fault that the trolls, Judy, Barry, Lawson, Vaj,
Knapp, Manning, and Perino all came over here to do a little
trolling of their own. Just about the only troll that didn't come
over from Usenet was Lon P. Stacks, and he is dead now.

Go figure.

What's really funny is that Google Groups on Usenet has a far
superior user interface than Yahoo Neo. LoL!




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:



He claims that I stalked him.  Ask him.


--- authfriend authfriend@.. wrote:


 Have you ever been stalked on the Internet, Barry? If so,
 why don't you tell us about it?

 I should think you'd revel in Reddit if, in fact, it's so
 universally low-vibe. Just your kinda folks.

 As I told Edg, I don't hang out at Reddit, but a sort of
 miscellany blog I do read has occasional posts about an
 interesting Reddit thread. I usually go take a look and
 have found threads that are heartwarming, deeply moving,
 highly creative, profound, and/or extremely witty.

 If you read the story Barry linked to, you'l find that
 while the writer had a bad time with some Redditors,
 others supported and defended him; some even apologized
 for having made a nasty comment.

 Ever seen Barry apologizing for making a nasty comment on
 FFL?

 Most of the story isn't about Reddit in any case, contrary
 to the impression Barry has tried to create..


 --- turquoiseb turquoiseb@.. wrote:
 
  ...be thankful you're not on Reddit. I don't go near the
  place, because of the near-universal low-vibeness of it
  and the people who hang there. This guy's story affirms
  my decision in this regard.
 
  http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and
  -then-it-got-worse
 
  I empathize with him. It's no fun to be stalked on the
  Internet, by deranged people who just want to yell at
  someone...anyone, and who glommed onto you because you
  were handy.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...

Obbajee, I now consider any posts that arrive in my yahoo email inbox as icing 
on the FFL cake. Makes the whole thing less testing (-:

 From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:11 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...

Share!  My God! You are right!  How can I thank you! 
Wow! Amazing!  I am liberated!

Testing. 

Sometimes the post I post on the webpage don't show up until later. This 
morning, they have been. I still do not see my posts from last evening in my 
inbox.
Today's post, they so far, cross my fingers and hope to die, they will keep 
coming in!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Obbajee, are you able to read and write posts from the web site? There's 
 almost no time lag on the web site.

  From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:58 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...

 Â  
 Turq, are you inviting me? ;)

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:

  ...be thankful you're not on Reddit. I don't go near the place, because
  of the near-universal low-vibeness of it and the people who hang there.
  This guy's story affirms my decision in this regard.

  http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and-then-it-got\
  -worse
  http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and-then-it-go\
  t-worse

  I empathize with him. It's no fun to be stalked on the Internet, by
  deranged people who just want to yell at someone...anyone, and who
  glommed onto you because you were handy.

Richard, I have some friends in Fort Collins who love the Trader Joe's there. 
But the Annapolis Trader Joe's is pretty iffy health food wise IMHO and just 
has a strange vibe. I think they even carry stuff with high fructose corn 
syrup! Our local health food store, Everybody's has great food, especially the 
locally made items. New Pioneer Co-ops in Iowa City and Coralville are also 
good. Hopefully none of these places will get gobbled up by Whole Foods!





 From: punditster pundits...@gmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:30 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods
 


  
Share:
 I often shop at the Annapolis Whole Foods which is 
 about 5 minute drive from my Mom's. 

Yeah, I was really laughing at the interview with the 
comic talking about shopping at Whole Foods because 
hardly anything she said made sense. 

Her routine didn't reflect anything that I've ever 
experienced shopping at a Whole Foods Market. In 
fact, it was downright insulting and not all that funny 
since it made fun of poor people and sick people with
special needs.

We like to shop at Trader Joe's sometimes too.

But I'd say that if you had to ride a bus for hours just 
to get to a health food store and it takes your whole 
paycheck, then maybe it might be a good time to shop 
at Safeway.

Or get a car and a better paying job. LoL!

Whole Foods Store Locator
http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/stores/list 

Whole Foods Market, San Antonio:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...

yum yum, butter cream frosting!

 From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:13 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...

Testing.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Obbajee, I now consider any posts that arrive in my yahoo email inbox as 
 icing on the FFL cake. Makes the whole thing less testing (-:

  From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:11 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...

 Â  
 Share!  My God! You are right!  How can I thank you! 
 Wow! Amazing!  I am liberated!

 Testing. 

 Sometimes the post I post on the webpage don't show up until later. This 
 morning, they have been. I still do not see my posts from last evening in my 
 inbox.
 Today's post, they so far, cross my fingers and hope to die, they will keep 
 coming in!

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:

  Obbajee, are you able to read and write posts from the web site? There's 
  almost no time lag on the web site.

   From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:58 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on 
  FFL...

  Ã‚Â  
  Turq, are you inviting me? ;)

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:

   ...be thankful you're not on Reddit. I don't go near the place, because
   of the near-universal low-vibeness of it and the people who hang there.
   This guy's story affirms my decision in this regard.

   http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and-then-it-got\
   -worse
   http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and-then-it-go\
   t-worse

   I empathize with him. It's no fun to be stalked on the Internet, by
   deranged people who just want to yell at someone...anyone, and who
   glommed onto you because you were handy.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?


Yes. This is the only way I post. From FFL Yahoo Message Board. 
If yahoo works as it was or should, I get the most recent posts to my email by 
everyone and that way I can decide to respond easier. 
When I thumb through the webpage, and if the webpage allows all posts to be 
seen when they are posted, in a close order of time, (which I have found the 
messageboard sometimes has a long delay from my view even if I refresh, close 
and open tabs and re enter the url.)then I can participate in a timely fun 
spontaneous fashion. Right now, adjusting to its temper, it drags my creative 
mind to a slow draw, sort of like Buck on his horse with no name.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

Why do people want out of the body experiences?! Which I think can happen 
naturally but during extreme trauma. Otherwise for example, the point of the 
TMSP is to increase integration between mind and body.

 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:54 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

Re Those experiences are available during everyday life, too, not just during a 
lucid dream, and they don't have to be unsettling. It is like being aware of 
another frequency, and tuning in : Nick Barrett, the speaker, said exactly what 
you're saying. He could tune in right there and then. 

Do we think that astral projection and out-of-the-body experiences are 
basically lucid dreams only entered from the waking state under one's own 
volition?

--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Those experiences are available during everyday life, too, not just during a 
lucid dream, and they don't have to be unsettling. It is like being aware of 
another frequency, and tuning in for the same reason any other sense is used. 
Exactly the same experience. 

Though, in viewing the astral worlds, for example, it takes a little longer to 
become proficient, vs. say our sense of smell, since it isn't, along with lucid 
dreaming, introduced to us in any sort of systematic way. We sort of stumble 
across it, and begin to discover the great depth and breadth of the worlds and 
knowledge and experience now easily available to us, during our everyday lives. 
After a few years of, gee whiz, it settles down, though the experiences 
continue to deepen, naturally.

Personally, for sleep time, I vastly prefer plain old, deep, restful sleep.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Went to a talk at Watkins tonight - London's premier esoteric bookshop which 
is celebrating 120 years service this year - to hear Nick Barrett talk about 
Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming. You know about lucid dreaming - when you 
become lucid during a dream and realise that what you are experiencing is a 
dream. I've had that happen to me a few times but each time I woke up shortly 
after the realisation.

Those who take the trouble to master the art claim that a lucid dream 
experience is as subjectively real as - well - reality! The bonus feature is 
that, as you are aware it is your own dream, you can take command of the 
situation and direct the movie you're watching. Claims are made that you can 
conjure up your favourite film star as a companion, soar off together into the 
stratosphere, picnic together on one of the moons of Jupiter, make passionate 
love, and . . .well, you get the picture, do whatever takes your fancy. Hell, 
you could even fly over to Fairfield, enter the Golden Dome, and have those 
hoppers gawking up at you as you demonstrate your levitational skills. 

Nick Barrett's originality is that he says he started talking to the dream 
figures he encountered and asking them who they were. Most of them looked back 
at him with a blank expression - as if to say: we're just your subconscious, 
mate. But some of them had a light in their eyes - like your everyday folk - 
and were able to answer his questions about problems he had. He eventually 
made contact with his guardian angel, who is now his regular companion in 
dreamland. Nick enthuses that his angel has helped him resolve many of his 
psychological issues. Maybe Freud missed a trick here when he suspected that 
dreams were the royal road to the unconscious.

It's intriguing stuff, and Nick didn't strike me as a nut job. I asked him if 
his spirit guide knew things his subconscious couldn't be expected to know. I 
had in mind finding out which horse would win the 2.10 at Ascot on Saturday 
but he innocently replied about his guide knowing things about himself and his 
own past he couldn't recall. 

Makes me wonder though if in decades hence all children will be taught how to 
lucid dream as a matter of course.

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

I'm pretty sure the first sidhas course were for TM teachers. Then in summer 
1977 they got rolled out for POM, plain old meditators.

 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:09 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

I mean, to develop the TM-Sidhis course, there would have to be experimentation 
on human guinea pigs; common sense tells you that. Or even if it had somehow 
been developed without experimentation and presented as a fait accompli, the 
first people to take the course would automatically be guinea pigs.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

now that is a good question - how about it, those of you on the first few six 
month courses? Was it known it was experimental before you went?

 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:27 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

I don't know, I'm just asking--but weren't the course participants all aware 
that it was going to be experimental when they signed up? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point 
Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he 
and the other participants were being used as experimental subjects. That 
charge carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs 
for the TMO developing its course material.

--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:

I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the 
Doors to the Domes.

 From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor

 Yeah, the poor aggravated guy.  Of
course we know a lot more now than we did then.  I was on that course
too and it wasn't so bad.  It was great actually.  Would be good now
to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice
along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that
part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more.  That
could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of
acedia.  For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been 
very helpful these ways to the meditating
community these ways.  The waking down community here, 
https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful 
these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the 
movement long before what it is now as
a meditating community.
-Buck   

 Kapor evidently gets angry and
leaves everything. Story 
 of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness 
 against something? You are cherry picking. Did you 
 actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer 
 on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just 
 interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This 
 guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems 
 where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation 
 with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for 
 him.

Turq writes;

Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfect
as course leaders of long residence courses back then. What-
ever course participants complain of -- *whatever* it is -- it
can be cured by pranayama and more (or less) TM. 

And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,
I was such a TB that the implications of how we were running
those courses never occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gave
any thought to what we'd do if something serious came up on
one of our courses. We had no liability insurance, no doctors
on call, and no list of what the course leaders should actually
*do* if someone started heavily unstressing, other than the
aforementioned more (or less) TM and pranayma. Maybe 
more asanas. And definitely a checking. Everyone knows that
a TM checking can cure anything. 

In retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously so.
But we had all bought into that core dogma thang -- TM is
100% life-supporting. We didn't have to plan for negative
situations because by definition on a course on which every-
one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen.

I suspect that some here will dispute this. I further suspect
that those doing so didn't spend much time on long rounding
courses, and by long I mean in excess of six weeks. Those
long courses in Europe didn't have any liability or medical
insurance, either, and they certainly didn't have a team of
reliable doctors on call. But of course there was no *need* 
for those things, because by definition on a TM course 
nothing bad could happen. The

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

Another pet peeve: a person's avoiding the possessive case before a gerund (-:
One of my favorite courses in college was an advanced grammar course. The 
errors I see now even on places like HuffPost amaze me. 

 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:19 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

Pet peeve of mine also. And, like you, I hit the Send key just as I notice I've 
missed or added '.

Yes, I wonder if the interest in lucid dreams and the like isn't demon Mara up 
to his old tricks making mundane things seem alluring.

--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

Let dream state take its natural course I say. Pet peeve of mine with people 
mix up it's and its!

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

Yes, Judy but unlike real guinea pigs, the human beings had a choice whether or 
not to take one of the early courses. I heard it all started because in 
meetings people started spontaneously lifting up in their chair. 

 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:09 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

I mean, to develop the TM-Sidhis course, there would have to be experimentation 
on human guinea pigs; common sense tells you that. Or even if it had somehow 
been developed without experimentation and presented as a fait accompli, the 
first people to take the course would automatically be guinea pigs.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

now that is a good question - how about it, those of you on the first few six 
month courses? Was it known it was experimental before you went?

 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:27 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

I don't know, I'm just asking--but weren't the course participants all aware 
that it was going to be experimental when they signed up? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point 
Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he 
and the other participants were being used as experimental subjects. That 
charge carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs 
for the TMO developing its course material.

--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:

I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the 
Doors to the Domes.

 From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor

 Yeah, the poor aggravated guy.  Of
course we know a lot more now than we did then.  I was on that course
too and it wasn't so bad.  It was great actually.  Would be good now
to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice
along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that
part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more.  That
could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of
acedia.  For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been 
very helpful these ways to the meditating
community these ways.  The waking down community here, 
https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful 
these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the 
movement long before what it is now as
a meditating community.
-Buck   

 Kapor evidently gets angry and
leaves everything. Story 
 of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness 
 against something? You are cherry picking. Did you 
 actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer 
 on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just 
 interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This 
 guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems 
 where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation 
 with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for 
 him.

Turq writes;

Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfect
as course leaders of long residence courses back then. What-
ever course participants complain of -- *whatever* it is -- it
can be cured by pranayama and more (or less) TM. 

And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,
I was such a TB that the implications of how we were running
those courses never occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gave
any thought to what we'd do if something serious came up on
one of our courses. We had no liability insurance, no doctors
on call, and no list of what the course leaders should actually
*do* if someone started heavily unstressing, other than the
aforementioned more (or less) TM and pranayma. Maybe 
more asanas. And definitely a checking. Everyone knows that
a TM checking can cure anything. 

In retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously so.
But we had all bought into that core dogma thang -- TM is
100% life-supporting. We didn't have to plan for negative
situations because by definition on a course on which every-
one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen.

I suspect that some here will dispute this. I further suspect
that those doing so didn't spend much time on long rounding
courses, and by long I mean in excess of six weeks. Those
long courses in Europe didn't have any liability or medical
insurance, either, and they certainly didn't have a team of
reliable doctors on call. But of course there was no *need*

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...

Obbajee, I meant that whether posts are sent from email or from website, they 
show up almost immediately on the website. Can be very delayed showing up in 
email inbox.

 From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:11 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...

Share!  My God! You are right!  How can I thank you! 
Wow! Amazing!  I am liberated!

Testing. 

Sometimes the post I post on the webpage don't show up until later. This 
morning, they have been. I still do not see my posts from last evening in my 
inbox.
Today's post, they so far, cross my fingers and hope to die, they will keep 
coming in!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Obbajee, are you able to read and write posts from the web site? There's 
 almost no time lag on the web site.

  From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:58 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...

 Â  
 Turq, are you inviting me? ;)

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:

  ...be thankful you're not on Reddit. I don't go near the place, because
  of the near-universal low-vibeness of it and the people who hang there.
  This guy's story affirms my decision in this regard.

  http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and-then-it-got\
  -worse
  http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and-then-it-go\
  t-worse

  I empathize with him. It's no fun to be stalked on the Internet, by
  deranged people who just want to yell at someone...anyone, and who
  glommed onto you because you were handy.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

2013-09-20 Thread anartaxius

[FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...

Testing.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Obbajee, I now consider any posts that arrive in my yahoo email inbox as 
 icing on the FFL cake. Makes the whole thing less testing (-:
 
 
 
 
 
  From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:11 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on FFL...
  
 
 
 Â  
 Share!  My God! You are right!  How can I thank you! 
 Wow! Amazing!  I am liberated!
 
 Testing. 
 
 Sometimes the post I post on the webpage don't show up until later. This 
 morning, they have been. I still do not see my posts from last evening in my 
 inbox.
 Today's post, they so far, cross my fingers and hope to die, they will keep 
 coming in!
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Obbajee, are you able to read and write posts from the web site? There's 
  almost no time lag on the web site.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:58 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So you think you've got troll problems on 
  FFL...
  
  
  
  ÃÂ  
  Turq, are you inviting me? ;)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   ...be thankful you're not on Reddit. I don't go near the place, because
   of the near-universal low-vibeness of it and the people who hang there.
   This guy's story affirms my decision in this regard.
   
   http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and-then-it-got\
   -worse
   http://www.theawl.com/2013/09/i-was-a-hated-hipster-meme-and-then-it-go\
   t-worse
   
   I empathize with him. It's no fun to be stalked on the Internet, by
   deranged people who just want to yell at someone...anyone, and who
   glommed onto you because you were handy.

Meaning that the first people on sidhis courses, being TM teachers, were 
already quite invested in TM. 

 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

Yes, and...? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I'm pretty sure the first sidhas course were for TM teachers. Then in summer 
1977 they got rolled out for POM, plain old meditators.

 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:09 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

I mean, to develop the TM-Sidhis course, there would have to be experimentation 
on human guinea pigs; common sense tells you that. Or even if it had somehow 
been developed without experimentation and presented as a fait accompli, the 
first people to take the course would automatically be guinea pigs.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

now that is a good question - how about it, those of you on the first few six 
month courses? Was it known it was experimental before you went?

 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:27 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

I don't know, I'm just asking--but weren't the course participants all aware 
that it was going to be experimental when they signed up? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital 
point Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he 
felt he and the other participants were being used as experimental 
subjects. That charge carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were 
the guinea pigs for the TMO developing its course material.

--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:

I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the 
Doors to the Domes.

 From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor

 Yeah, the poor aggravated guy.  Of
course we know a lot more now than we did then.  I was on that course
too and it wasn't so bad.  It was great actually.  Would be good now
to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice
along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that
part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more.  That
could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of
acedia.  For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been 
very helpful these ways to the meditating
community these ways.  The waking down community here, 
https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful 
these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the 
movement long before what it is now as
a meditating community.
-Buck   

 Kapor evidently gets angry and
leaves everything. Story 
 of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness 
 against something? You are cherry picking. Did you 
 actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer 
 on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just 
 interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This 
 guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems 
 where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation 
 with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for 
 him.

Turq writes;

Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfect
as course leaders of long residence courses back then. What-
ever course participants complain of -- *whatever* it is -- it
can be cured by pranayama and more (or less) TM. 

And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,
I was such a TB that the implications of how we were running
those courses never occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gave
any thought to what we'd do if something serious came up on
one of our courses. We had no liability insurance, no doctors
on call, and no list of what the course leaders should actually
*do* if someone started heavily unstressing, other than the
aforementioned more (or less) TM and pranayma. Maybe 
more asanas. And definitely a checking. Everyone knows that
a TM checking can cure anything. 

In retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously so.
But we had all bought into that core dogma thang -- TM is
100% life-supporting. We didn't have to plan for negative
situations because by definition on a course on which every-
one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen.

I suspect that some here will

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor